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$HBAR TALK - Kabiplaza #110 🎙️
Recorded: April 3, 2025 Duration: 1:14:18Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, the HBAR community explored significant developments including the strategic bid for TikTok by Zoop and the HBAR Foundation, highlighting their ambition to reshape content ownership. Additionally, the upcoming free mint for Origin Access NFTs on Kabila promises to engage new users and strengthen community ties.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. All right.
Welcome, everybody.
It doesn't seem like we have a DJ today.
Don't see Ekwa Rang.
He might be caught up at work.
Who knows? Let's because the time changed and he forgot
we have a different time zone now
one hour again
yeah I don't know do you know where
Ekwa is like I mean
in terms of
no no no but our clock changed remember
last weekend our clock moved forward one hour.
So, he'll show up in the next hour, probably, being all alone.
That's...
Well, I didn't...
Yeah.
I didn't even realize we moved our clock.
That's right.
So, I don't know where we're doing this at the right time now.
We'll manage. We'll manage. and we'll just have to excuse ourselves
for not telling him and sending him some flowers.
But, you know, the guy is all love.
He'll forgive us.
Yeah, I hope so.
Oh, that's right.
I didn't even think about that.
So what time is it with you now, Brendan?
Yeah, it's back to 11 o'clock, 11 a.m.
So the past few weeks, it's been 12 after we changed our clocks and you guys didn't.
But yeah, it's 11 again.
So it was 11 and then you guys changed it and then it was 12.
And now we changed it back to 11, right?
That's right.
Okay, that's not handy.
But I guess there's nothing we can do about that
uh i just i asked where he is but now we know so um well maybe he uh he joins in a bit when he
sees that we're already live anyway uh we're filling up so so great to have everyone here. Welcome.
Welcome back to Cabi Plaza.
We host the spaces every week for the HBAR community.
We're going to connect.
We're going to discuss some news, get a pass on the ecosystem.
We're going to spotlight some builders, creators.
And this is episode 110.
It's quite a lot.
Let's get some more people in here first by liking the space,
reposting it,
and by commenting below.
It'll help to get some more
eyes on us.
You can put anything you want in the
comments. Something fun,
something about HBAR, something about Hedera,
something that's on your mind. Maybe you have a question
for any of us.
Maybe there's something you'd like to discuss.
If so, anyone is welcome upstage.
If you don't want to come up on stage to ask your question,
feel free to put it in the comments below.
So while you guys are doing that,
I'll toss the mic to our guests first.
I'm in the netherlands
currently and the weather is absolutely wonderful it's a proper proper spring weather
patrick what about you where are you and how's the weather france the weather is almost always
the same as in the netherlands but usually where i am five degrees warmer so my brother always
envies me for that but he's gonna live here 50 of the year anyway in the little cottage next door
he renovated it so we'll be inseparable again for most of the time um but yeah i do i do feel for
you guys because it's always windy it seems in the nether. And I lived up north in the Netherlands for just a few years.
And man, it's like the wind never stops.
It was so annoying.
But let's be honest, if you hear the news about all the storms, hurricanes,
and earthquakes and stuff happening in the US,
I think we can't complain here in Europe.
Anyway, that's just going sideways again.
I'll just pass it on to the serious speakers.
Let's give the microphone to Brennan.
Yeah, no, it's good to be back here.
I can jump into the news and everything that's going on in the Hedera ecosystem whenever you want,
but there's a lot of exciting stuff going on.
I don't know how long my show is going to be tomorrow,
but I'm thinking it's going to be pushing over an hour and a half because I have a lot of good
content that I want to go over. And yeah, just
exciting times. Nice. You don't know how
long it's going to be because it might be short or because it might be very long?
No, it's going to be very long regardless. I have a lot of stuff
to get into, so it's going to be a long one for sure.
Nice.
Curious to see it.
I actually saw already a question in the comments,
and I don't think we can do a lot with it.
I actually think you briefly touched on it
in the last Shark Bites with Rob.
I guess someone's asking, um, new, uh, governing council member,
but, uh, yeah, I don't know if you have anything to say about that. I don't think we can really,
no, no, nothing yet. Um, Rob said at the beginning of the year that he thinks we're
going to be full by the end of the year. Um, he's not one to, to blow smoke. So, and he hasn't changed his tack on that.
So I'm expecting at some point here, probably because I've also heard that the
HBAR Foundation is going to make their big push here in a couple months. So even though we've
heard some really great stuff about USDC, and of course we heard about the TikTok stuff yesterday,
it sounds like their really big push is going to be a little bit later on. I wouldn't be surprised
when they rebrand around that time from the HBAR Foundation to the Hedera Foundation.
And I could also see Charles pushing to have a lot of the council members, the new council members,
onboarding around that time
just to get some momentum
and all that kind of stuff.
So that's kind of what I expect,
you know, around that May timeframe
to start to see a fairly consistent
onboarding of new council members.
But yeah, like you said,
don't know for sure,
but that's just my guess.
Well, there was more in that answer
than I expected.
But their big push over here like that
seems like something that's pretty um pretty concrete already like that are we expecting a
big push from the stuff that i've heard kind of behind the scenes that you know that that's kind
of the time frame when they're planning on rebranding and you know around that rebrand i
would expect um you know some additional um a
pretty big push or at least that's what it sounds like so uh i can't can't say for sure but that's
what i'm guessing you heard it first it could be the spaces guys yeah indeed so if you have any
thoughts around that like what that big push would look like please post it in the comments and we can um we can pick our uh the
panelists brains so but before um we dive in that a little uh further the other panelists let's see
uh jeremy welcome man how is it over at yours doing good i'm in sunny florida so it's like
80 degrees fahrenheit like i guess 30 degrees
for you guys over there so it's beautiful here um and uh yeah the market's pretty uh rough but
it's really exciting to see like in this down market i don't think that anybody's doing more than Hedera to connect and just be ready to freaking fly as soon as
as things, you know, as the uncertainty around the tariffs and everything is over.
So it's exciting.
We're just continuing to build over at IVFY and have meetings with, you know, great folks
like WCO and MPART and other people.
So we're going to have some announcements soon,
but just excited to be here and hear some positivity
because there's not a lot of it online right now.
But there's a lot to be positive about, I feel like, in the HBAR community.
So that's about it.
That's about it.
That's what's going on.
Awesome. Yeah, let's dive into those tears in a little bit as well.
We've got someone else up stage two, HederaCoinFlip83, new to me.
So how's it going over there? Would you like to introduce yourself
you open up your mic but i don't hear anything are you speaking already
not hearing anything either
all right well just feel free to open up the mic um whenever you're ready and um yeah feel free to introduce yourself to the um to the hbar community all right so um yeah everybody introduced
themselves uh i think uh yeah they dropped down as well so we won't be hearing from hedera coin flip
maybe maybe next time.
it seems like they're having some technical issues.
I'm getting a request.
We'll see.
Okay.
let's jump into the first topic here.
The major one,
Zoop and the H bar foundation got together to put in a bid to acquire
TikTok.
And when I saw that,
um, I thought it was fake news.
Like, I thought it was a joke or, like, it's good that I didn't do this on April 1st because it would have made the perfect April Fool's joke.
But it seems to be a serious bid.
Does anyone have any thoughts around it?
Like, Brendan, what did you think when you first saw the news?
Or did you already hear something about it before it got an iOS 1X?
Well, it takes a little while to process something like that when you first see it.
Like, you know, how does something like that work?
Well, clearly they have secured significant funding from other investors, so hedge funds and other funds that would want to get involved with something like that. Who knows what those investors are? go for upwards of 50, 60, $70 billion. So it's not like Zoop as a startup or the HBAR Foundation
has that kind of capital. So there's a lot of other investors that are involved, but you don't
do something like that unless you think there's some kind of possibility that you could do it,
or you could actually get it to come to fruition. Now, I don't know if there's other things that
are being taken into consideration and that Zoop might have at their disposal to try to win a bid
like that. I think Hedera would be a perfect fit for something like TikTok, obviously for
paying for content. And that's one of the things they said. Let me see if I can find the quote that they actually had. So RJ Phillips, he's the co-founder at Zoop said, our bid for TikTok isn't just about changing ownership. It's about creating a new paradigm where both creators and their communities benefit directly from the value they generate.
So clearly, they're talking about payments there, value transfer.
So that's perfect, of course, for what Hedera has to offer.
But yeah, I mean, we really just don't have all the answers here.
It's also, of course, just good because of all this attention that it's gaining from a PR standpoint, right?
Just to engage, get that question out there.
Not to say that they aren't serious about it, but they are going up against some pretty heavy hitters when it comes to the other bidders. So Blackstone, Amazon,
Microsoft, Mr. Beast, they all have bids in, and those are just some of the top ones.
So we're talking, and I don't know where it stands right now, but I'm guessing there's dozens of
other bids out there for TikTok.
It's just, you know, I like seeing these big kind of moves and it's exciting to see, you know, what they're thinking. So I have been in contact with the Zoop team and I'm expecting here over the next few days to do an interview with RJ.
And instead of holding that one off until the next weekly update, I'll post that one as soon as I get it.
You know, we'll put that up on YouTube so everybody can see what they have to say.
And I think I probably have the right questions to ask
to figure out exactly what's going on.
But it's interesting to see.
I'm excited about it.
But there's a lot of other good stuff going on as well.
Yeah, Patrick.
Yeah, could it not also just be being being the devil's advocate here a marketing stunt
or something because it will bring a lot of ice to you of course and it's like it yeah they're a
big company but the price of that is insane so anyone i mean i i could partner up with gralph
and do a bit as well because I'll lose it.
No, we're just joking.
But with these amounts, isn't it for some companies?
I'm not saying this one is not serious.
And I love the attention it brings to it there.
Don't get me wrong there. But might it sometimes not be just getting more eyes on your product as well?
Because it will go viral, of course.
It could certainly be that. It could
just be a publicity stunt. But my guess is it's legitimate. They have significant investors behind
them to put in a valid bid. Do I know where that stands? I'm not even sure if this is blind. Do
they all bid and have a second chance to bid again, and what other variables are. I just haven't dug into
all that kind of stuff, but you're right. I mean, there is an element of PR that's positive around
this. But my guess is even though it might not be with the top bids, it is probably a serious bid,
and they have a lot of investors behind them that think it's probably a good idea.
Yeah. And to be honest, I really hope it's real.
Okay.
So I'm signing with them because it will be great for Hedera.
So it's not like I'm a Debbie Downer here, just keeping the conversation going because
yeah, you never know what's really going on and you do get a lot of exposure.
But yeah, having said that, the exposure is good.
Definitely. get a lot of exposure but yeah having said that the exposure is good definitely so people again make sure to to repost and like the space and comment below the space to get even more people on here to talk about hbar with us um and patrick i've been thinking the
same thing like could is could this just be a mark uh publicity stunt but um so it makes sense for startup to want to do publicity stunt that way.
Of course, very few organizations can actually do that because very few companies will actually be taken seriously if they put in a bid.
So in that sense, ZOOP and the Aisbara Foundation,AR Foundation think can be taken seriously
and I personally
don't see the foundation put in a bid
just to get eyes
on HBAR
it wouldn't be something
I would see them
and I asked ChatGPT
what is TikTok
worth and it gave me an estimate of about $100 billion to $150 billion.
So, obviously, OnlyFans is not worth that.
And the entire market cap of all the H-bar around is also nowhere near that.
So, like Brendan said, there should be some other backers
there as well.
I'm curious, Brendan,
before we go to Joe, what
questions are you planning on asking
the Zoop guys if you have them for an interview?
Yeah, so I mean,
just the basic, I want to remind everybody
what Zoop is, give everybody a refresher. From what I understand, Zoop has changed their business model significantly. So I want to get a refresher on exactly what Zoop is planning on doing now. And then, you know, let's just hear about what, you know, this TikTok big. Ask him about, you know, the potential investors. How likely does he think that this is going to actually
is a serious bid and has the potential to win? Also, are there other factors in there
that could make Zoop and our bid look better for some reason? Or is it just purely based on price?
Whoever bids the most gets the asset. I don't know. Time will tell, but those are the
questions that I'm planning on asking. Yeah, I think that's valid because, you know,
Zoop, I think, originated in 2021 and got some funding from the HBAR Foundation back then.
So I think that's interesting that it's not like, it seems to be out of nowhere,
but there's actually
been a connection between zoo bandy foundation that's been established a
couple years ago so it might be less random than it seems there might have
been a very long term plan there of which which we don't know anything.
Last question.
And then, Joe, I'll toss the mic to you.
Why, because I didn't catch this,
why are people bidding on TikTok? Did they announce willing to sell?
Sure.
So the U.S. Congress passed a bill,
so it's law now,
that essentially ByteDance, which is the parent company of TikTok, needs to divest.
Because for national security reasons in the United States, essentially they feel that, and there's pretty solid evidence of this, that the software behind TikTok is gathering information for the communist government. So that being a national security issue, they're not saying, you know, the asset has to shut down completely in the United States. It's just it needs to be sold to an American entity. So some American entity needs to bid for that. ByteDance needs to,
you know, approve that. Granted, ByteDance might not want to do that, but still it's,
it's U.S. law at this point. So unless something changes with that law,
they pretty much have to sell to some kind of U.S. entity.
All right. Well, that clears that up. Okay.
Very interesting. So it's actually, it's actually
bids might be lower than its actual worth because it's not like...
Absolutely. Yes. So you were saying, you know, between 50 and 100, I think it is worth north of 100 billion dollars.
But the winning bid will probably come in significantly lower than that.
Certainly not anything that the H-Bar Foundation or Zoop by themselves could pay for, but lower than what it's probably worth.
My arm's tired. Can I speak?
My arm's tired. Can I speak?
Yes, sir. I'm so sorry, Joe. Yeah, go ahead.
Yes, sir. I'm so sorry, Joe. Yeah, go ahead.
Okay, so there's already been one bid rejected for $20 billion.
So anybody that bids has to show that they can afford more than $20 billion.
So we know that.
The real thing is that they're not saying TikTok has to sell their entire brand to somebody in the U.S.,
but they need to sell at least a portion of the platform to someone in the U.S.
so that all U.S. operations are managed by a U.S. company.
And what better than one that's putting it on a hash graph for transparency.
So we have that. Then they have two separate things. They have TikTok the platform and TikTok
the algorithm, which Brandon alluded to the Chinese communist government collecting information,
which is why I suggest to not have TikTok on your phone But so they could sell the platform and keep their algorithm
Secret and not share it to whoever buys it. So that's where the price difference can be huge
I think that
Vice President Mance said that we're days from knowing an answer.
So it's coming to the end of the timeline that President Trump gave.
So I think we'll know something sooner than later.
Very, very interesting.
Bing, you want to jump in there?
I think we've got Bing, right?
Yo, GM. Good morning from my side uh yeah yeah no um as you guys may know origin is a venture launchpad and we're actually an early equity investor in zoop so i've been following this
very closely what i will say is that i'm very excited about the foundation partnering with Zoop,
as well as like the leadership of Tim Stockley, as well as RJ Phillips. I've worked very closely
with them before. Amazing team. If they can pull this off, it's going to be really bullish for
HBAR and Hedera Foundation. So I'm very excited.
and the hedera foundation so i'm very excited
yeah definitely it's it definitely makes all the sense um to include hedera in in a possible deal
and um and include there in the future of um well usa based tick tock um
um so given that the the deal was kind of forced a possible deal is kind of forced by the the
government in the states um do you guys think they have any influence or say in the bidding
process or in in who ends up buying it do do you think they um like take my my check with them like hey is this
if we do it this way is that all right for you or um um what are your thoughts on that and i'm
looking at uh joe brendan uh bing
bing do you have any
insights on that?
Probably
shouldn't say too much
My guess is
the government has a big say
considering it's being
started from a law that passed here in the
United States. I'm sure the government does have
some say in which
direction it goes. And I didn't think
about that, but Joe has a good point. If they put all of it on the hashgraph and track things with
HCS, that brings a lot of trust to the platform. So I like that idea as well. Of course, my mind
went first to payments and how that could be leveraged within the platform, but that's a good point as well. Yeah, 100%.
And that's why it would make sense that the A-prefrontation bid
would carry a bit more weight if the government has some influence
in the process, because I'm sure TikTok doesn't really give a damn
about that, but it might come into play.
That's definitely an interesting interesting thought and
um it's even more interesting that we might even um have some more information on that
next week possibly so um i see we've got action on stage as well welcome um did you want to join
the conversation or or just hang around and also how are you doing
i'm doing awesome and yes to all um did like talk about having fair access to information i think
that's the crazy part of it all that we're actually sitting around going maybe we're gonna get some
more info when this should be the the default from the get-go like how in the world are you
even trying to buy a platform if you don't have all the data, the details?
And ultimately, like, I wish things were way more open.
I mean, that's why I'm here.
I mean, why Web3 even, you know, means anything to me is the transparency aspect of it and a trustless piece that we just don't have in everyday, you know.
I'm getting up like people throwing me 100% right now.
But it's all we don't have in your Web2 world right now.
And I just wish it would take over sooner rather than later.
Yeah, 100%. And of course, if the HBF Foundation and Zoop don't end up having the winning bid,
it doesn't mean that Hedera is not going to be included in social platforms in the future.
There's still plenty of opportunity to do that. And that's actually an interesting one. I saw
Nick.hbar actually comment that below the post from the Hbar Foundation saying you don't need
to buy the platform to use Hedera for payment rails or to use hcs and so what are your
thoughts on that like why what's the the um additional benefit of that why does the hbar
foundation um actually want to go buy uh the tick tock and I'm asking...
Why would you not?
Why not, yeah.
I mean, seriously, if they get a percentage
of it, not only would they have
probably some good say in the
direction of the platform,
but it's going to be
profitable, especially
you know, there are millions
of people like me that won't use
tiktok because it's china but if i knew a u.s company especially someone like hedera was was
behind it and um on the information collection end i would definitely use the platform so there
there's a large majority of people here in the US that won't use it
because of who runs it.
Yeah, that makes all the sense. I want to welcome Legends of the Past on stage as well.
Who have we got? Is that Basil? Yes, it's Basil. Hey guys, happy to be here.
Hey, great to have you again. Good to have you here.
Hey, Patrick. How is it going?
I missed joking around with you guys, so I love having you back.
Well, I'm here, Patrick. Happy to be here, happy to challenge you.
And to have fun with you speaking about web 3, speaking about games,
and overall about Hedera and the beautiful space that we're navigating on.
Love it.
Yeah, great to have you again, Bezo.
It's been a while.
And you guys came with, well, not really with an announcement,
but with some warnings for the jar bearers.
And there might be what looks like, that's how I interpret it.
There might be a mobile game, a first version of the mobile game
around the corner.
And the jar bearers will be the first ones
to actually test it out and play it.
Is that correct?
Or is that too much?
No, it's 100% correct.
But I don't want to interrupt the conversation.
We can speak about it later.
A little bit of trouble unmuting myself there.
Brandon, did you want to jump in?
No, I mean, there's no time like the present.
We'll have plenty of time to talk about this TikTok stuff in the future.
We don't have all the information.
So I want to hear about Legends of the Past and what you have on hey brandon call to hear your voice as well it's so good
like i mean it's been obviously like a couple of months uh and yeah it feels like i'm calling my
family and i haven't seen them in a while so it's a true pleasure to be here um so yeah indeed um
yesterday was a very important day for the Legend of the Past community, especially among us, the JarBerrers.
And I can see some of them that are in the call, so they will recognize themselves.
But, yeah, so yesterday we had a long meeting, private meeting with the JarBerrers that I consider exactly the same as our traditional equity or token investor investor because these are our nfts investors
as well so what we did is i i well i ran the presentation like kind of like a keynote like
four different approach one was revealing the gameplay basically we showed the current gameplay
the game that will be soon be able to test but before that i also did something um yeah also
for information and for them to also
understand i think it was kind of informative to understand about the game uh development process
i've done like a gameplay evolution meaning that i've gone through uh all the different stages that
we went through with like the iteration of the game design then the prototype then implementing
the multiplayer then implementing the multiplayer in the core look, look all up of the game, then testing it, then understanding what was fun, what wasn't,
removing some stuff, then struggling, then iterating, then finding new controls that were
fun, but a little bit like too competitive. And so not enough casual, then removing them,
starting from scratch, struggling, struggling stressing iterating again and then
implementing new controls simplifying the core loop to have again a better meta and a better
replayability so that players want to play game again and again each game session is different
and this is where we are so this is what we've shown them and now the next step is actually bigger than only opening the game to Jabber.
That was the first intent was to give it in the hand of our community. But after discussing
with them and a thoughtful consideration, we actually want to do a bigger private play
test to the entire Hedera community. So this will be private, using TestFlight or the Android requirement
to actually be able to play the game privately.
Because next, so we have two phases for the launch.
One is playtest for Hedera community
so that you guys can have an edge.
You'll be able to prepare for the global launch
because the global launch will be a global tournament involving LOP rewards for both the winners, the participants and obviously our NFT holders.
store play store and we'll be working with a couple of different web gaming communities outside of
hedera that are supporting our mobile game whether it be on different chain but before opening up to
the massive tournament that will be last for a couple of days again the people are well ranked
in the leaderboard people who are participating and nft holders will an airdrop for that. But to give an edge to Hedera community, yeah, we're going to opening up based on application.
So we'll be running some collaboration with other Hedera communities so that anyone who
actually wants to play the game will have access to it.
Well, there is some limitation based on TestFlight and Android, but yeah, we'll make sure that anyone who really wants to play the game and is
willing to give us some feedback can actually train themselves to have an
edge,
to be ahead of the competition while ranking the leaderboard and earn
higher LOP rewards.
Very cool.
Action.
I saw your hand up.
All right.
So let me ask you a question that actually applies to a lot of the stuff
that we do day in, day out in the space. By by the way i'd love to get you guys connected with some
um not only web you know uh web3 gaming communities but people that focus on gaming
would be so happy to get you guys connected there but how is it is it worth it because
you're not answering to one person you literally have a bunch of stakeholders and you're trying to
to please here um it's harder. I know that for a fact.
But is it worth it to have so many different people give their inputs when it comes to building a full-out game?
Oh, so basically, we don't need a written input.
Because when we are doing some playtests, do like internal play tests with our core team and also like external experienced, you know, play testers with like what we call,
you know, play testing, you know, groups, especially one big one Paris to have to have
a true, you know, like feedbacks on.
And also it's important for us to actually watch the player uh use interacting with
the game we want to see where do you look how do you use the controls obviously we don't want to
tell you in advance how you engage with it so that we understand if there is like a good onboarding
so like these aspects we've already done that what we actually want uh by doing this playtest for
hedera community is two things on the one hand give, give something to Hedera first, to value Hedera,
because we are a game from Hedera. Although we are launching globally and we'll be attracting
other players from all the space, we want to give this as an opportunity for you guys,
the first thing. And the second thing is obtaining also data, because we won't be speaking with all
of the players that participate to the playtest. However, we are gathering, you know, important data.
So basically, like inside the game, we are implementing some, you know, like trackers,
basically like where all of your interactions, whether it be like heat map or different trackers
on different like buttons and interactions.
So we'll see, OK, if people are performing well, how they are playing.
And so we'll have, you know, like large scale, well, how they are playing. And so we'll have large-scale data analytics
that is different kind of data analytics
and short people that are giving us overall feedback on the game
and we can see them play,
but having a lot of players also provides valuable data.
Just one quick side note.
I totally get it as far as the the play test aspect of things
concerned but dude you just put on a presentation you literally invited people and you told them
about what you're building and then you allow them to ask questions that's literally unheard of
when it comes to your standard gaming communities or your web 2 world um you're putting yourself
online and whatever the team is building and being willing to kind of
open it up to the public that's the unique thing here because like beta testers we can see that
all over the place that's that's kind of normal in the gaming world but not to accept feedback
and allow people to have an input like that's i think the the core difference that i see here
oh thank you so much for that but But it's also, as I said,
we've done that to the job burrs.
I think during the meeting we had 20,
well, I was presenting,
so I was not like watching exactly
how many participants were there,
but these people that were here
are people that have been like involved
in Legend of the Past for months, years even.
Like, and I speak with them directly,
you know, sometimes writing, sometimes on the phone,
sometimes I see them physically, if we are in the same you know like uh web conference and so like i truly like value
them the same way that i value my other investors because as a company we've raised equity we've
raised some people who invested in the company itself we're also raising our token our token is
not public definitely yet but we have raised money money in a SAFT agreement for this.
And similarly, the jar bearers is the core communities of our NFT investors,
and I treat them in the same approach.
That's why we've done this kind of presentation.
Patrick.
Yeah, I love this topic.
And actually, by coincidence, you can look it up in general.
A few days ago, we had a similar kind of question in our general space in Discord,
where one of our community members said after a clip that we showed how we build out the city.
And that's just quite a static thing where people already know what it looks like because we showed that.
And now we are showing them how we are building it and how performance is important and stuff like that.
And they loved it. And then they said, of course, and I ended with I would love to show the gameplay, the battle gameplay that we're now working out.
But I want to really still feel first polish that more and then one one very valued community member by
the way because they they were all valid questions and i love how we can really have these open
discussions in our discord and he's he told a story about how he once did an assignment for
a partner i don't think it was his boss but he did have more to say than him, I think.
And he finished it.
So that was for one person.
And when he was finished, his boss didn't like it.
And it started some kind of conversation.
But there is a big difference because community members,
so that's the point raised you've got like three thousand
we've got more than three thousand people in there the thing is if you take input from everything
they they they want then you'll have like a hundred different opinions and in the beginning
I made that I wouldn't say mistake but let's use that word here the mistake to indeed trying and get them to be um how can
you say that to get too much input and try to have uh the community maybe a bit too much um um
having a say of go left or right or or influence but the thing is you've got so many opinions and
then and that's what was just said
that's when where it gets very difficult so at a certain point you do need to of course draw your
own um plan and go left or right because you won't you won't be able to finish but the thing is what
i hear from from basil here is more like that he was using them as testing the game and that's
always good feedback of course
because that's a whole different story but i do agree with yeah yeah so definitely but also it
more than that i also want wanted them to like uh i give them like a keynote like not to be like
braggy about it but like to explain really like how is the game being developed you know and so
i was not maybe not like asking them for feedback about which kind of gameplay
should we implement or not?
Because like we made that decision based on our internal testing
and on our professionalism.
But it was important for them also to, yeah,
I think one very technical topic that I went through,
I don't know if people like really followed that part,
but like I went into like the nitty gritty of the like multiplayer
and basically going deep inside what we've implemented part but like i went into like the the the nitty-gritty of the like uh multiplayer and
basically going deep inside what we've implemented involving like input prediction and how we are
making sure that there is you know like uh each client so each phone only only sent on the server
some inputs like very very low uh um scale data therefore all of the uh games and well different
clients or different phones can run run the games no matter if they have a very low quality, you know, like, well,
phone, low end phone, low tier phone.
But also if it runs with a stable Wi-Fi or a bad like 4G connection,
because we are only sending small packages of data.
And basically the server is computing online and the clients differently.
And what we are doing is we are doing like a frame comparison so that the server anyway i'm getting too technical but like this is what i was telling
during the the meeting uh these kind of stuff that are important for people to understand how
where we are building stuff for them because i know that people are curious about it and also
for them to understand the timeline because like implementing a very strong like because we have
now servers all around the world like from japan like Australia to like in the you have a couple in
the US like it was like very long term to implement and to have an affordable server cost for all of
that but now that it's running fine again it took months and months and months to implement this
but people on this code and Twitter are simply asking when you know and because when you are
doing that and implementing everything,
you don't know exactly if things will be perfect and when. So like, that's also why now, because I know that we were answering on Discord when people were interacting with us,
obviously, but we were not communicating, definitely not on Twitter, not doing like massive announcements and being like under the radar.
But I also, it was important also for me as a CEO of my company to like give
feedback to my shareholders, the different stakeholders involving the job owners to
understand the different process and what has happened over the last couple of months in terms
of project development. Both of you guys are doing the same thing though. You do realize that, right?
And like just to the benefit of the audience um this is the way i i just
literally understood what you guys said so on both sides first you're trying to over communicate
the information that what's happening in the game um legends like that that's where you're at that
totally makes sense and not everyone is going to care about everything that you say but it is
important right it is important to get that feedback and same thing with earthlings like
people are giving you feedback and although all feedback is valuable,
not all of it is important.
So there's that determination both on the user side of things.
You know, okay, I love to hear all this netcode stuff
and how things are actually working,
but I don't really care about it too much.
It's valuable information to know that they're working on it,
but it's not important to me.
So it's a two-way street is what i'm hearing
is that you know enabling um you know the the gamers themselves to be a part of this um you
guys are essentially taking care of people through and through you're essentially taking you know
ensuring that everybody's voice is heard doesn't mean that it's always going to get implemented
but ultimately they have stake in in the game here like literally they have stake in the game and heads off to you like running that um that's the style i guess you can say of uh ama or you know keynote because that's
how you get real fans i mean you can you can talk your head off um in spaces and all sorts of things
but you're not gonna always acquire fans but when you address them directly and you you know make
sure that they know that you care about their opinion you care about them being part of a
community even if it's 20 people that's how you get loyal fans that are gonna stick um you know and you make sure that they know that you care about their opinion, you care about them being part of a community,
even if it's 20 people.
That's how you get loyal fans that are going to stick with you
through and through.
Yeah, definitely.
So another point of view would I have, for instance,
that let's say that we agree on these things,
so this is just maybe going on a little bit further.
But for instance, if you show an end product a gameplay emperor and product and my guess is that indeed Basile is already far away with a long way with
that but let's say you show an end product and it's a game type a or you could do it in a game
type B doesn't matter single player multiplayer whatever but if the end product is really
polished and it looks great then some people might not agree that that is their favorite because i
like strategy games for instance but the other people like turn-based battle or role-playing
or whatever but if you see that the end product is very good then they might not be disappointed
anyway because they're like yeah okay at least this is going to be a success because it targets a lot of people but if you in but what what I want to prevent if if you
go in too early and ask an opinion about something then it's going to be a battle almost we already
had that sometimes friendly battles by the way but almost a battle in the community no we want this
though we want that and that's where I, yeah, sometimes maybe wait a little longer and just show them a very polished product.
So but I think this is a subject that we are all on the same page here, but we do listen to community feedback.
We did make some iterations here and there sometimes when we saw some things in the community.
But we also learned that, yeah, you need to be careful with it as well.
It's really if you have a community building a project i think all projects here can vouch for that it's really learning um to deal
with that as well and i i now also understand why it's so hard in politics because there's so many
different opinions i would never want to be a politician because that is really fierce but you
really need a good internal team to be able to get to that point. Otherwise, without that feedback loop,
you end up with what Sonic,
you know, the movie looked like
before they repolished it.
Definitely.
I love the season book.
Man, I don't think I've ever been silent
just listening on the Cabi Plaza
this long before i love it amazing
and um you know building in public you have to be brave to do that i agree with everything you
guys just said because you show them a product and maybe there are some very good suggestions
then you might have to redo some stuff extra work what if they have suggestions you don't like
at all how are you going uh with that how do you tell them if a valued community member feels very
strongly about about a certain direction within the game and you're like oh well no that's not
what we imagined uh you don't want to disappoint them but you value their opinion so it's definitely um easier to just don't build in
public make your stuff yourself make all the decisions yourself so i think it's very um
very brave how you guys approach that so a big shout out to you and i actually saw some posts
earlier today by uh gandalf and phil gandalf was saying how um saying how he was on a call with you, Basil,
and that he showed some gameplay.
He absolutely loved it.
And Phil was saying, I set my alarm clock at 5 a.m. for this,
and it was totally worth it.
So 100%, this is how you build a loyal community,
and they will probably never forget that experience with you
when the game
is bigger um and uh and they were in that call with you with maybe 20 other people looking at
some examples so uh yeah exactly and it was also like a beautiful memory also like for for me
because and it was kind of stress in advance because like it was actually the first time that
anyone from our nft community would actually see the game like the first time ever of course i've seen it i've shown it like
multiple times to like gaming vc and stuff like that but like big players that are not in the
project and so it's different like it's quite confusing not confusing but like quite funny
because i'm completely willing and i've like done like gameplay demo a couple of times to like big
investors and like i don't care but now it's people that have been here for so long that I was like not scared
because I have confidence in what I'm building and I'm having fun when I do it but yeah the first
time that you were listening to their like feedback ended during the presentation so like people were
not speaking directly because they were muted but like when we were showcasing it was like we've
done we've shown like a couple of different videos, like with the evolution of the gameplay leading to the final video was the game as it is today.
And at that moment, there would be like a lot of like emojis because it was on Google Meet.
And there were a lot of like emojis popping up on screen.
And because I was like screen sharing, I could not see them.
But at one point, I simply switched for one second.
And then I saw like a tornado of emojis.
Oh, OK.
So people seem to like it
because before that I was simply like speaking
and showing my screen without having any feedback.
And at that moment, I really felt something that,
okay, people are actually enjoying it.
And so, yeah, that was a very, very positive
and warmful moment.
Amazing.
Yeah, that's the weird thing about presenting
a bigger Google Meet presentation.
You don't get really any feedback. That's a good
thing about space is you have these emojis. So those help a lot. So on a different topic,
okay, well, not yet on a different topic, because I see actually your hands going up.
Sorry, no, I just want to tell you, like, dude, I make YouTube videos. Let me tell you,
not having the feedback is awful. It's the hardest thing for people to actually start getting any content up.
It's hard.
Like, you're talking to a camera and you're telling yourself the whole time, people are
going to enjoy this.
People are going to like what I'm saying.
But don't ever change that.
I mean, the fact that you cared so much and that you were feeling that when you were showing
this game to actual gamers, dude, like that's the heart of what gamers, you know, what game
developers should be like.
They should actually care about the games, how well they're done, how well they're built, more than they care about how much money they can raise from VCs.
Like, dude, your heart's in the right place. Don't ever change that.
Like, I get the butterflies every time I speak.
It doesn't matter if I'm in the room of a couple of hundred or a couple of thousand people.
That's what I always, you know, encourage people to do.
Like, care enough to still get the butterflies
to still care about that feedback loop and it's not that you're looking for affirmation you really
want to make sure you're taking care of the people that are going to use the product so
yeah like heads off to you um for two things first for doing it in the first place and secondly for
being honest that yeah it's nerve-wracking with Rocky. Sorry I was kind of distracted there. Amazing action. I actually find it interesting so
I'm gonna postpone my next topic and ask Brandon how did you go about that? Gathering feedback or
determining how to make your videos better because it youtube
yeah it doesn't have seem to have a great feedback loop yeah i mean you get comments and things like
that i think i it's it's mainly about people just engaging and that's the feedback that you want if
they're talking about your content and not necessarily about your production value and all that kind of stuff, then you're probably doing something right. As far as the
production value, I think you usually know where you're lacking, whether it's audio or video or
your own presentation or whatever. You usually kind of know what you need to work on and you
can just kind of tweak those over time. But as long as your community is talking about your content and engaging well in your content, then you're
probably on the right track. So yeah, it's been a fun ride. I really enjoy creating content. It's
all about the conversations of having conversations with people like Bazille and people like Patrick
and your team. It's just so much fun engaging with all these different teams.
You know, this week I got to talk to J.
Cool about the intersection of AI and Hedera and then Mingo.
They have a huge partnership, which I am going to be able to put that into my show tomorrow.
Of course, I got to talk to Rob.
You know, the list goes on and I get to be able to do that every week.
I couldn't be happier with what I'm doing
Nice so
cool, I was actually talking to Jason from mingo and
Yeah, we have to make sure he's on on the copyplauson next week to talk about this partnership because he's been hinting at it
And I don't know who it is
I'm very much looking forward to your your update from tomorrow definitely gonna
gonna watch that and while we we have you here I saw a question a very typical question in the
in the comments when ETF oh the ETF I have I have no idea So the last news that I got on that, I actually posted that interview independently with Greg Bell from the HBAR Foundation. It's going to take a little bit of time, but I would say certainly by the end of Q3 is kind of where I'd expect it to see that ETF.
that ETF. Now, of course, everybody that's over there in Europe, what is it, Verto already has?
Not Verto. I forget. I know it starts with a V, but they already have it listed on the
Frankfurt Stock Exchange, a separate ETF. And I might be doing more content with them going
forward as well, just talking about Hedera and just general capital markets. So yeah,
not sure when we're going to have it here in the US, but get
on your brokerage firms and so forth and tell them that when it does come that you want access to it
because it's not a given. Cool. Yeah. No, I expected some sort of answer like that. So I
don't remember who asked the question, but if you're still here, maybe around the end of Q3.
And then, on a different topic, I'm seeing Hashman in the audience, and a complete revamp of who Hashman is.
So, it's a completely different character.
I don't know if you want to come up and tell us a little bit about that revamp.
If so, you're more than welcome to.
If not, then, well, looking sharp.
So, yeah, I love it.
Just wanted to touch on that.
Okay, so, yeah, if you want to come up, just request,
and we'll have you.
Then briefly going back to Brandon,
because there's a couple more things that
um i'd like to touch on before we call it a day um can you the terrorists have been uh quite a
conversation topic the last couple of days um for us and those in the audience could you give us a brief summary of what it's all about and why we might
experience some response on what Trump is doing in the markets?
Yeah, so from what I understand, there's going to be reciprocal tariffs. So if there's a country
that has tariffs on US goods going into their country, the U.S. is going to put similar tariffs on their goods coming into the United States.
Now, the United States, the way the world order has been, the United States has been kind of the consumer of the world.
So it kind of does make sense to have it set up the way it is, but it has gutted the U.S. manufacturing base.
So I think Trump wants to onshore a lot of that manufacturing.
That doesn't mean that it can't be coming from a foreign company.
They just need to build a factory here in the United States, provide American jobs and all that kind of stuff.
But it does. It completely shakes up the trade balance in the world. And that's just disruption. And more than anything, markets do not like uncertainty. And, you know, there's a lot of talk about Trump using this as a negotiation tactic to, you know, negotiate better trade deals, whether those are unilateral or, you know, multi-country trade deals.
trade deals, whether those are unilateral or multi-country trade deals. So are these
actually going to go into effect? How long are they going to last? What impact are they going
to have on the economy? All those things are question marks. And as I said, the market doesn't
like uncertainty. These are all things that make things more uncertain. There's also the question
of how does that impact inflation? Now, specifically for the United States, if there's goods that we're importing into the United States, and then you tack 10, 15, 25%
on top of that, well, the price automatically goes up for consumers by that percentage.
So it's like a highway straight into inflation on the CPI. So if inflation ticks up, the Fed is going to have to continue to maintain a tight monetary policy, which is not good for risk assets. Again, that's an uncertainty that hits the market.
So all of those things, that's why we're seeing the markets, especially risk assets, being impacted pretty heavily. And at the top of the risk assets is crypto, right? Particularly altcoins like HBAR and the other tokens we
have in our ecosystem. So all of those get hit really hard with all of this uncertainty.
I hope I kind of summarized that well. Oh, 100%. Yeah. I think that was a great answer.
And is there any, do you have any idea about what timeframe we have to think about when we're talking about those uncertainties
and when we might start to get some answers
to the questions people are having from the Trump office?
I don't know.
I think that's the thing.
It's uncertain right now.
Are these other countries going to come to the table
and start to renegotiate?
I think as soon as we were to start to see that, maybe a trend along those lines or and I don't think this is going to happen, Trump backing off.
Right. So unless those things happen, it's going to remain a little bit uncertain.
We also don't know until it starts to impact the market.
it starts to impact the market. Is this going to have a significant negative impact? But at the
You know, is this going to have a significant negative impact?
same time, Trump has to worry about midterms in a couple of years. So how long is he going to hold
off on this? He wants to get it out of the way early, right? Try to impact these things as
quickly as possible, get the pain over with, get those trade deals renegotiated, and then move on and hopefully
have the economy turning around before too long. Now, he does not like when the market goes down,
but I think right now he doesn't mind to make sure the policies that he kind of pushed while
he was trying to get elected, at least he gives it a good shot. But time will tell. But
again, it's not going to be a short term thing. But that doesn't mean that things can't do well
in the crypto space. There can be a lot of catalysts that can push this market up. But then
again, the trend is your friend, right? And the trend right now, unfortunately, has been down.
My hope as far as Hedera is we continue to have positive
catalysts to make HBAR outperform. I don't need HBAR to always be going up, but I want it to
outperform the rest of the market. And we had a really good trend in that direction for a long
time. And then we underperformed for a little bit. But the past few days, we've been outperforming a
little bit. Even though the market has generally been going down, HBAR hasn't been going down quite
as much. So that's kind of what I want to say.
But I know I've talked myself in circles there, but it's a complex topic, right?
Dude, no, I appreciate how you broke it down, though, because that's a huge deal.
People think that we're going to do tariffs and the number is going to go up.
And that's not what the current administration is saying right now.
They're saying, no, we're going to fix this.
It's going to hurt, but it's going to hurt for a short time.
So you're right.
The earlier we can get this over with, the more likely he is going to do well when it comes to midterms.
So, yeah, I mean we've got to push things forward as fast as possible.
And I would say the second catalyst that's going to bring us back is going to be any type of quote-unquote money printing, which is not even money printing anymore.
Any type of quote unquote money printing, which is not even money printing anymore, just giving back money to the people that, you know, was being spent elsewhere where it made absolutely no sense and were basically being stolen from right under our noses.
So that's the catalyst that I'm really hoping for. The sooner that takes place, the sooner we're going to see the markets really just do well again, specifically crypto, in my opinion.
do well again, specifically crypto, in my opinion. Yeah, I mean, the austerity that we see coming
from Doge, in my opinion, it absolutely has to be done. But it's also it is a type of austerity,
right? That's money that even if it was going to the wrong places was entering the economy.
So there's those deflationary forces. And then there's the inflationary forces coming from
tariffs, just too many question marks to know where it's going to go.
All macro questions, which are over my head.
Yeah, it makes all the sense to attack this in the start of this term.
And I feel like people expected more clarity coming out of Liberation Day.
So that might have something to do with the price action today.
I don't know.
But it seems like Liberation Day didn't give the direction people were expected.
They could get out of that.
And the trend is your friend.
I really agree with that.
Okay, no one has won TikTok yet.
But I mean, the fact that HBAR Foundation put in an offer together with Zoop in the right market conditions,
that would have done, I'm sure that would have done something with the HBAR prize.
And instead, it just didn't do anything. HBAR price and instead it just didn't do anything.
HBAR went down today.
Of course, it's nothing concrete,
but in the right market conditions,
this could have been a catalyst
and it's obviously not doing that right now.
It'll be interesting to see if they win the bid,
what would happen then
and if there could be some catalysts that separate HBAR from the rest of the trend, it would be great to see that.
I think the market reacted correctly.
I think we're seeing a maturing in the crypto market in general.
you know, the chances that they win the bid are fairly low. During that, because there was some
You know, the chances that they win the bid are fairly low.
additional attention, HBAR didn't drop quite as much as some of the other tokens, but it kind of
resumed the drop here today. But I think the market reacted correctly. You're right, though,
if they do win the bid, I think that would be the market moving event. But, you know,
it actually makes me feel a little bit better about the crypto market, you know,
interpreting things the right way.
I was about to say, like, are you saying that we're getting smarter?
Like people are actually not just buying into any hype that comes across their way?
That's new.
I think I think the corrections and meme coins and all that kind of stuff, that's just a maturation of the market in general.
I think that's a good thing.
But a lot of the babies kind of got thrown out with the bathwater.
I think HTS tokens, a lot of our HTS tokens are in that camp.
But now they have to prove out the value and return some of that value to the token holders.
But I think a lot of the tokens in our ecosystem are primed to do that.
I agree. It's definitely the correct way to respond to this news but um i i do think that
in in the right market conditions did this um the response could have been less logical than
it was today i think i think that's um well but that's my opinion um liam yeah go for it
hey guys glad i made it i thought this was starting four minutes ago, so glad that I got to hop on.
But I'm going to do a Patrick and kind of take it slightly sideways on this topic.
Because I just find it fascinating, you know, like the market generally doesn't, unless we're in a bull cycle, right?
It doesn't tend to respond to things the way that it should.
And it kind of gets you scratching your head, doesn't it?
So like, what does the market respond to, right? And I'm'm not going to lie i've been hearing a lot about exchange manipulation lately
and the more i look into that the more i'm just like flabbergasted it actually seems to be
happening and i just happened to hop on coin market cap just now and i was thinking to myself
and it's a question i asked um neon finance the other day on a space i said you know what actually
pegs the price of hbar
to bitcoin what is it is it like exchange volume is it like centralized exchange volume that does
that um and then we kind of went sideways in that discussion as well but i just took a look at like
a couple of the top 100 and every single pair in the top 100 like has top volume with the usdc pair
which means that every top token,
practically, as far as I can see,
I've had 100% of the ones that I've checked
are trading the most volume in a USDC pair.
So it doesn't make sense
that the whole market follows Bitcoin.
The only thing that makes sense
is that there's some kind of automated market
maker on the centralized exchanges
that is literally manipulating
the whole price of the market,
depending on what Bitcoin does. Because I can't understand why the rest of the tokens follow the
price of Bitcoin at all. It doesn't make sense. And it's also too coordinated. How can hundreds
of tokens at a time just follow Bitcoin when they're not even being traded against Bitcoin?
It doesn't make sense. So I'd love for someone to answer this. Maybe you can give us some insights,
Brandon. Well, I mean, I'm probably not the expert for this. I mean, there was a time when
most tokens were traded primarily against Bitcoin. There are still a fair amount of those pairs out
there. But as far as everything moving quickly together, it's arbitrage, it's arbitrage bots.
So those things should work fairly quickly
because it should be all automated. Yeah, I mean, there's the sentiment, all that kind of stuff,
but there are enough pairs, I think, out there that things kind of track together. And then once
that allows the market to start to move in one direction, they all kind of move, again,
the trend with the trend uh in the same
direction um so it does generally make sense to me not as much as it did uh in the past but um
again i'm not the expert but uh um that's generally how i look at it i think that you know if anything
if let's say the bid goes through for tick, it's definitely the kind of game changing event.
I mean, TikTok has, what is it, like 1.8 billion users.
That's the kind of game changing event that or like Elon Musk being like cool X coin using
Hedera, that would be great.
Please do that, Elon Musk, if you're listening to this.
But, you know, that's the kind of game changing event that we need to break HBAR and Hedera away from the rest of the market, I think.
But I think that it's literally going to take something like that.
And it would take something like that implemented well that exposes practically the whole world in an instant to this idea of Web3 and crypto.
I don't know if you agree with me on that.
So this is why I love HBAR and I love Hedera is because we have so many ways to win.
Yes, you know, the hot topic right now is TikTok.
You know, Hedera gets involved with TikTok.
You get payments going on there that are built on Hedera and things go absolutely crazy with,
you know, whatever the 1.6 billion users.
But granted, this is just the United States, but either way.
But, you know, we have things like Mondelez and the Hedera Tech
being embedded in the NVIDIA and Intel chips. We have the blockchain for energy alongside
Exxon and Schlumberger and Chevron, all these different companies. We have CLSQ that's going
to have Hedera Tech in billions of objects, and they're not going to even think about launching their coin until they have major partners.
They already have millions of objects out there that are ready for transactional Internet of Things.
And I could go down the line.
You guys know all the things that I'm talking about here.
Only a couple of these things have to win and do
well for Hedera to really take off.
All of these things are at the very beginning of their growth stage, but it only takes a
couple of them to really take off for Hedera to make its mark.
And I just, it was the tip of the iceberg, the things that I just mentioned there.
And that's what I love about Hedera is there's always something else that's going on either behind the scenes or that we've forgotten about that has the potential
to take the Hedera HBAR and the Hedera network to the next level. Yeah, I love this topic.
Thanks for bringing it up, Liam. And I agree that we need something very big and constructive to actually
de-pack from the rest of the crypto market in a constructive way,
because we've all seen it in the right market conditions.
The announcement of Google joining the governing council, yeah,
had its impact on the price, but then it um it corrects pretty pretty shortly after
after such announcements um they usually don't really have a lasting impact on on token price
so it'll be interesting to see um if and when something uh like that actually happens um we are 10 past the hour 10 minutes past the hour
i'm loving the conversations over here i um have a meeting in 20 minutes so i could stay on a little
longer if um if you guys want to there's at least one more topic i want to touch on and that's
origin announcing their free mint at kabila and um b, you've been sitting there in silence for a bit now.
Can you tell us a little bit more about that Free Mint?
What's it about?
For sure.
Happy to do so.
First off, we're doing it on Kabila because it is the best launchpad that we've ever actually interacted with for NFTs.
They make it super simple.
And the team at Kabila isn't super supportive. So with pleasure, we're doing our free
mint for the Origin Access NFT on the Kabila platform.
White lists are going out there are many ways to participate.
Join our discord, follow our Twitter for the best ways. I'll
give some alpha here as well. We have invited
many of the biggest NFT communities from Solana, Ethereum to join us. The reception has been
amazing. So many new faces in Hedera, but we're leaving the best for last. And that's obviously
the Hedera community. So stay tuned for the next few weeks. We're going to be handing out a lot
more collaborations and really honoring the
hedera community and it should be a pretty beautiful mint we saw early previews of our nfts
they're looking pretty fire i would say so looking forward to it
100 i've seen one of them um one of the previews of um one of those free nfts and i loved it the the art is
great um and and what what's the plan with those nfts can you share anything about that
i can share that is going to have significant uh boosts and effects on our free airdrop as well. And so holding those NFTs
are going to provide significant advantages.
Very much our whole mission, goal, purpose
is to bring as many users from outside of Hedera
into Hedera as well as celebrate the Hedera ecosystem.
So again, free mint NFT is going to put you
in a great position for our free airdrop.
We want to create a huge flywheel of success and lift the entire Hedera community.
Amazing. Sounds great.
Looking forward to the free mint.
Looking forward to all the mints on our platform.
And I appreciate those kind words about the
the cable platform we surely are proud of it and we're always happy to share our
tech and our platform with users so I think this could be a great place to
close up the space unless anyone on stage has anything they want to share or ask or a thought
doesn't seem like it, alright
I love you
love you too, Action
alright, and any other
love declarations
before we hit
end on the space
no, okay, I guess
we're just friends then.
The rest of us.
I think that works as well.
That's cool.
I love you too, man.
Great.
All right.
Well, guys, I'm going to close off the space now.
We don't have a DJ since I completely missed the fact that we changed our time zone over here.
So I didn't communicate that with Equa.
My bad.
So yeah, him being not here is completely on me.
Excuse me for that.
Next week, I'm sure he'll be able to make it.
We're already in contact about that.
So I'm just going to close off the space thanks for being here
we had some great conversations thanks for listening in thanks for the couple of people
who asked their questions in the comments and well enjoy your last day of the work week tomorrow
if you have to work it and then make sure you have a fire weekend and we'll see you guys next
week on thursday have a fire weekend. And we'll see you guys next week on Thursday.
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