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Hempcrete or Bust: Why Every ‘Green Build’ Without It Is Falling Short
Recorded: July 6, 2025 Duration: 1:53:33Space Recording
Short Summary
The Natural Build Guild's latest discussion highlighted the launch of the Virginia Industrial Hemp Alliance, a new educational program at Roanoke College, and the increasing job opportunities in the hemp sector, signaling significant growth and emerging trends in sustainability within the industry.
Full Transcription
A fire burns for freedom
A fire burns for freedom
A fire burns for freedom
The smell of dissent is high
I'm standing for the truth
Too long it's been denied.
The doubt of change is rising, let hope be realized.
Unchain these wings, let angels fly.
I see emphries forever growing wild and free.
I see marijuana trees blowing in the breeze.
Grand Rising.
Happy Sunday, everyone.
I see emphries forever growing wild and free.
Wild and free, wild and free.
A crime against nations, a war is waged.
There's a message in the wind for every race.
Peace and love we sow, so let us go. It's good for the soul
Grand Rising, everyone. Good morning, good morning.
We'll get started here in a minute. I see marijuana trees blowing in their breeze.
I see hemp fields forever growing wild and free.
Yeah, wild and free.
Sold us the kiss of death. And now just a tree of life. yes good morning everyone
i see marijuana trees blowing in the breeze
in the breeze.
Oh, I see
hemp fields forever
growing wild and free.
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We're so happy to be here with you this morning.
You're listening to Natural Build Guild.
We're going to get started in just a minute.
We've got a special guest here today for you.
Some special announcements.
Exciting news from the front line of the hemp revolution.
The cannabis revolution is here.
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Fire burns for freedom We are here today to kindle the fire and to share the good news of freedom that we have
never known.
And it is coming, folks.
Good morning.
Grand Rising.
Harry, Harry, are you still there in squeltering Texas?
Yes, I am.
Happy Sunday, fun day, gang.
We just got finished running the block machine, Morarius, and we've been trying to catch the sunrise and hit blocks until probably around 11 o'clock.
And then it gets too hot.
But, yeah, we are making progress here.
I'm really, I'm actually pleased how these are coming out.
And they actually have a home as well so we got a build going on we're gonna start next week
well Monday tomorrow probably we'll be going over there to map it out and start
digging which you know small unit 12 by 10. Yes. If you build, they will buy.
Yeah.
It's going to be pretty much a base model, I would say, 12 by 10.
So, it ain't going to really get fucking smaller than that.
But, you know, the price tag on it is between $20,000 and $25,000.
So, that's obviously, we're going to be doing post and beam framing just to hold the roof.
I really, really, really wanted to do the structural style build, but I just, I can't
do that yet without having proper testing back in.
Like I've been doing testing myself, and I failed one test.
So then I'm like, all right, I'm not doing it.
But it has the capability of doing that.
Maybe I'll save that time for when I get to interview Simon Gonzalez.
I don't know if any of you guys know Simon Gonzalez,
but he's been in the Adobe world, natural builder, for a while now.
He's a Texas cop, and they're always hosting training
and always doing something.
It's exciting following his story, his wife, and got a new kid now.
Well, it's not as new, but still children.
But, yeah, he's open to doing Twitter, so me and him just have to really align.
They do dirt church every Sunday.
So you go and volunteer, and they make dobes all day and eat, hang out.
Again, he's a great mentor to have and a very skilled individual.
He knows what he's doing and knows what he's talking about.
But, yeah, we'll get him to join the guild here.
Yeah, we definitely have to get him on here sooner
than later i've seen him pop in some mornings but we gotta we gotta get him up here so we can really
extract all that incredible experience and knowledge he's got um yeah he's had some bad
experience with some people in the hemp industry which haven't we all motherfuckers
and you know it's like the fuck you know i won't get into it now but i did want to say
um welcome to scott scott's gonna be sharing with some news with us today. Scott, if you don't mind,
let me ask you to do maybe a little bit of a hemp history for us for your big old announcement,
if you're down to do that. I know last announcement you've made here, you were sharing that you were starting an educational classes at, uh, I forgot the college name, but, um, bringing this cannabis as a whole to colleges, which, you know, that that's obviously why we started the natural build guild is to promote the education and the proper education because you know it really seems
to me like people hear one thing from someone and they just fucking regurgitate it over and over but
don't actually do it and then actually when you actually do these things and don't get me wrong
i've i've been part of that before you know i've shared shit without actually learning or doing it.
But we're really going in.
I know we're still as an industry in its infancy stage.
But yeah, let me give you the mic, Scott.
Welcome, bro.
Thanks, Harry.
Hope everybody's doing good on this Sunday afternoon and morning where some of you are. Yes, Scott. Welcome, bro. Thanks, Harry. Hope everybody's doing good on this Sunday afternoon,
morning where some of you are. Yes, Scott. Hi. Well, you, Harry didn't, I want to make sure you
introduce yourself properly and give us a little bit of context into your expertise and kind of
some of the new ventures that you've embarked on this year. It was such
a blessing to meet you a couple months back in Austin at Texas Hempstock. And you shared with me
that you're, you know, beginning your, I don't know what, tenureship,
or you're starting to begin community development
or workforce development, community development.
Sorry, my brain's not quite working yet.
I got to get more coffee in it.
But the extension classes that you're now teaching, is it Roanoke College?
Yes, it is.
Okay.
And that's a community college?
No, it's a private college.
It's a fully accredited private college.
Being private gives them the advantage of not having federal interference.
But, yeah, I'll go ahead and introduce myself.
Yeah.
Let our listeners know a little bit about that.
And maybe once you're done, we can share the links to find out more about that.
Because I think that's where I've got some questions for
later in our space. I'm really excited to hear about just how you're trailblazing in those
academic settings. So thank you so much for being here. What's going on in Virginia with hemp?
Fill us in, but maybe give us some history first. We know you're a history
body. Sure. I'm kind of a history guy. So history in Virginia is actually a good one
just to quickly talk about. I'm not going to bore anybody, but in Jamestown, as soon as they were settled, they started growing hemp. So hemp has been growing in America since 1608-ish, eight or nine.
And in Virginia, you could pay your taxes with it for over 200 years.
It was required to grow in certain colonies, and Virginia being one of them,
because of the nature of the needs for
the fiber and the textiles and all that, especially for ships and things like that. So Virginia's been
a big player in the hemp world, you know, for a long, long time and, you know, over 400 years now, if you think about it. So we've just lost the last 87.
But anyway, I'm Scott McStacey. I started as a hemp farmer about, well, in 19, so about six years
ago. I started growing in the cannabinoid world, as you can imagine, most people did.
And that obviously didn't go that well with the market and the way things happened.
But I've completely shifted over to industrial hemp.
I grow Canadian varieties here in Virginia.
I've got two different test plots.
You know, I came to cannabis through colon cancer.
I think I've told you about this, Milan. but 22 years ago, I had a tumor that burst and the doctor ended up giving me medical cannabis, even though it was illegal at the time and it saved my life.
And today is, for me, is really all about promoting industrial hemp farmers and industrial hemp builders.
So that's kind of where we're going to go today, I think, is to talk about our industry as builders and as farmers, because the two have to go together hand in hand.
One needs the other, and there's no doing it without both,
in my opinion. So that being said, you know, I did want to announce
that I have actually left my beloved Virginia Hemp Coalition, which, and they're great you know i love those guys um but we're we're
moving towards a vision of of an organization that will focus entirely on industrial hemp
it's commercial applications and industrial hemp farmers and builders specifically
we're going to call the Virginia Industrial Hemp Alliance.
I've already got a number of different people on board, and we are working on that as we speak.
And I'll tell you the reason why, because it's very important, and not just in Virginia, but everywhere.
It's important for us to try to find industrial hemp its own lane. We have been stuck in the quicksand that is cannabinoids since 18. They didn't think that's what was going to happen at the beginning.
They thought what we do was going to happen first, and then the rest would come with cannabinoids but instead you know cannabinoid
production took over and really skyrocketed and industrial hemp has been left along the side of
the road you know and and i think unfortunately it's been chained to the stigmas that you know
high thc cannabis have have had even though those are not well-founded, obviously, but they do exist.
And we didn't create them, but we want to get away from them. So that's the goal of the new
organization. We're not just going to be doing Virginia politics. We're going to be working on
the federal level as well. We already have a delegate to sponsor a bill this year to do basically what I was talking about.
In other words, separating it, not necessarily in the law, but separating it in a way where it's being promoted and marketed for what it is, which is a miracle, really, if you think about it.
marketed as for what it is, which is a miracle, really, if you think about it. You know, what we
can do with this plant, you can't do with anything else in the world. I don't care what it is. You
can't do anything else or anything like what you can do with hemp with any other single thing.
And I think that people need to understand this. And that goes to the education side.
At Roanoke College, what we're doing, we're working on a cannabis industry certificate program where you would take five classes, five four-hour classes online.
And they would vary from ancient history of cannabis all the way to modern commercial applications in hempcrete.
And with that certification, you would have a leg up as far as getting into our industry in many, many facets.
I mean, it could be as an entrepreneur, it could be as a new hempcrete builder.
We're currently working on the hempcrete class itself because we wanted
to start with that just because the people there knew very little about it and they're
incredibly fascinated, the professors that I'm working with. So this program will not be completely into effect probably until later in the fall.
And we don't have anything on the website yet about it because it's currently in development.
But I will be on and tell you guys when everything is ready because these classes are very inexpensive.
They're through their continuing education department. So,
I think a credit hour is about 50 bucks. So, you know, some of these classes and the certification
could be worth quite a bit more than the cost of taking the classes. And that's the entire point,
is we want an affordable way for people to, A, learn about our industry.
And not just our industry as builders, but cannabis across the board.
I mean, there are classes about taxonomy and chemistry or A class.
There's a class about entrepreneurial spirit.
There's a class about the legislative side and the legalities and the history of that.
That's its own conversation in and of itself, because we're still fighting all that.
So education is crucial, and workforce development is, in my opinion, the most important facet of
education at this point. Because I know Harry, for example, has been looking for people to help.
And, you know, if we can get people that are actually trained and understand the concepts,
maybe do a little VR hands-on, like, you know, manipulation and making things happen.
If those guys get out to the field with Harry and with you guys, you know, you other guys and gals that do this,
you're going to have an employee immediately that knows and understands our industry and a little bit about doing it.
So as you train them, you're going to find that, you know, they're much better, you know, much better prepared is what I'm going for.
Absolutely.
I think that's one of the key pieces of data that keeps coming out that definitely excites our community,
but I think has the general industry and maybe the folks who don't really know quite about natural building with hemp yet, maybe has them a little nervous that we've got a major shortage of trades people now in the U.S.
I know Wade talks about this a lot.
Hopefully he'll be joining us here shortly, too.
But can you talk a little bit about that? Like as you guys are developing this program right now, what are the, do you have any stats or even just what kind of demographics are you anticipating for this type of class? Because we know this is continuing ed,
so you don't have to have a four-year degree or anything like that, right, to take these classes.
You don't have to necessarily have any prior education. Is that correct?
That is correct. Absolutely. And the demographic is, I'm glad you asked that
because this is important. It's from 18 to 101. I mean, seriously, there are people that can work
in this industry of all ages and all ability levels because there are literally going to be millions of jobs created from nothing.
And it's going to happen relatively quickly.
So the demographic is anyone that wants to either just learn about it or learn about it and then apply it towards their education towards working somewhere.
You know, however that falls in, it's all good.
That's amazing.
So you said when is this going to start officially?
Yes.
Like I said, we're working on the first class now.
The other classes are semi-designed, but I'm working with educational technologists to do the, you know, the little videos and the modules and things.
My anticipation is late fall. October is a goal, but I don't know if it'll be quite that fast.
We want it to be very thorough and we want it to be available and easy to do.
It would be either one day a week for four weeks for an hour or two days a week for an hour for two weeks for each individual class.
These are the online versions.
Now, the in-person versions at Roanoke College, they have science, cannabis science bachelor's degrees now, which is fantastic.
They're the only school in the region that offers that.
And one of the things where we can expand some of these classes, if not all of them, into a full semester class or maybe combine a few to get a full semester class out of it in person, you know,
with the kids there on campus. So there's a lot of different applications that are possible here.
And one of my little goals and kind of wishes is to have a student-led hempcrete design and build program.
Maybe they could build small homes for affordable homes or for homes for the homeless,
something to do to give back to the community that could also focus on hempcrete.
I think that's important.
And so there's a lot going on there.
But we'll see how it progresses. And I'll definitely let all you guys know about it because, you know,
there, there may be a class in there that you just, you say to yourself, gee,
I don't know. I just never learned about that.
And that may be the impetus to go ahead and jump on and take that online
class.
Well, that's awesome, Scott.
You definitely said a lot that I wanted to touch up on.
You know, obviously, the history of cannabis is rich and hand-in-hand with human civilization
as we grew, you know.
So that's very important, which people aren't taught about, you know,
strategically to be conditioned to think differently. So, you know, being able to be
on the forefront of that educating is awesome, which makes me lead to this, that, you know, you know, Michael, he's been here helping me
and Charles Hex is, and they're, you know, big on the AI and AR world. And, you know, that's
all new to me for the most part. So like being able to see and talk to them about how you could have the hands-on training of building.
So instead of everyone that started a new job in the warehouse or something, there's always that book you have to go through.
It tells you everything, and then you go to work.
you know go to work and now we're talking about you know possibly wearing these meta
ai glasses that tells you the steps as you're going through you hear the voice in your ear and
i really like the the 3d scan or um like being able to see the blueprints of the house and see where it needs to go.
So this technology really could help us get on the map as far as if we're the first to start doing some of these things,
then the other builders are going to want to look at us just from that aspect.
But, yeah, getting the word out and being able to educate around the world, really.
You know, like this forum.
I love it coming here.
And, you know, I love the people that come here to share this awesome news like Scott. You know, another thing I want to bring up is there needs to be, you know, I assume the Virginia Hemp Coalition,
is that they're just like fully focusing on the CBD side or?
No, they do both.
I got to give them credit.
They do everything, honestly.
Their goal and their mission is to
promote and to free the whole plant. And I believe in that too. I completely am a supporter
of cannabinoids. You know that. But at the same time, I feel like we need something that's more
hyper-focused, that isn't caught up on the cannabinoid side,
a new avenue, if you will, to kind of get through the craziness and get through it and past it on
the other side where we can see growth and we can see decorticators coming into all the states
and we can see the things that we need, the infrastructure things, and all these things
are coming, but there's just, everyone's waiting because they don't understand the regulatory
system and what's going to happen in this next farm bill. That's a big worry. Now, a lot of good
things could really happen for industrial hemp in the farm bill if they ever actually pass it. But there's a mother bills with some really negative language. So my goal and what I'm really
trying to do is to take the conversation over here to the other room and say, okay, in this room,
we're talking about industrial hemp and farmers and builders and the associations
between them and the fact that we need them because the future is bleak if we don't do
something soon to, you know, not just the climate, but just everything in general.
I mean, this could be the change that sparks our next renaissance in America.
Healthy living and people understanding that we can do better than what we have now.
That's to me where we need to go. 100% agree with you. And I think we all do here because, you know, as much as cannabis has played
a role in my life, you know, I like to make sure people know I'm in the industrial hemp industry
and that, you know, half the conversation is describing the differences between hemp and
cannabis. So like, we all know, like, it's the same you know cannabis sativa l
and it's really making it difficult with you know i was on a podcast yesterday um for idaho
legalizing it and i got to meet joy beckerman she was on there for the first time. I talked to her and this other fella that has a hemp shop, you know,
selling the extracts and stuff and intoxicating cannabinoids.
And that is, you know, it gets them going, arguing against each other.
Like, you know, Don't get me wrong.
People have put their livelihood on the hopes of a definition in the Foreign Bill Act.
Derivatives.
And that's not a strong foundation to start on.
Obviously, I'm all for complete legalization and regulation for it.
Like, I don't think prohibition is the fucking answer.
But, you know, we need to have some type of clear definition because, you know, obviously we've had Wade in here share his story about his plants testing hot and literally had to fucking destroy the crop.
And we're literally, we're growing the crop to destroy it and, you know, reform it into what we want.
But I'll just ask you a couple questions maybe about the course.
So, Ronoco College, right?
ronoco college right roanoke roanoke yeah it's a it's actually an ancient it's a native american
Roanoke.
Roanoke.
word i believe in it originally roanoke okay so what was um what was your inspiration behind
pursuing that and getting you know because obviously i'm sure it took a lot of convincing
and worked at you know unpaid work really which I know a lot of us do in this industry is for like we're all for passion projects because we really care.
But yeah, let me hear about your inspiration to get you to first contact Roanoke College and how that conversation happened.
And then if you could walk us through a little bit of the curriculum that you have planned.
Okay, sure.
So I guess the best way to look at it would be for the curriculum.
I'll start with that.
The first class in the series
is the Ancient History of Cannabis.
And it talks about the fact that, you know,
it was a wild plant in Northern China 12,000 years ago.
And since then it has been basically traded
and scurried about all over the world.
You know, so that one talks about the ancient Chinese,
the Romans, the Greeks, you know, all of those empires, the Egyptians as well. They all utilize
cannabis and as a medicine, but also, and mostly hemp as for everything that they really needed it for. Now, I'll talk about some of the other classes
in a second, but my inspiration truly was teaching as a guest speaker in a class at a
community college about three years ago. And I was able to come in, my friend, now a good friend and a member of our group, Professor Nate, he invited me in to be a speaker.
And then he ended up inviting me back for the last class of that semester.
And so I really, really enjoyed talking about these things with the kids.
And, you know, and it just spurred me to look deeper into it.
And, you know, it just spurred me to look deeper into it.
Initially, I was supposed to be hired at that community college to teach the advanced cannabis course.
They have a basic course there now.
But that didn't work out because they, you know, they were kind of succumbed to the pressure of the stigma and didn't advertise anything.
So anyway, I found out about what they're doing at Roanoke College,
and I dug around a little bit, sent some emails, and got a hold of the dean of the cannabis
department. And we hit it off immediately, and everything since has been just fantastic.
you know it's the classes are are really meant to kind of take each part of the industry in
little chunks so that it's easier to digest because you know if you went in and tried to
teach all of this straight through it would be it would be a lot too much there's so much
sure but biology is a big part of it.
You know, there's a cultivation class that's just specifically about how to grow it in all of its different forms.
There's a class, like I said, about the legislation and the history of the legislation.
And, you know, kind of a path and a timeline of how things have happened since Prohibition.
So, yeah, there's kind of a lot of categories there to cover,
but people need to understand all these things if they're going to work in this business.
Correct.
Yeah, so that's as good you know i i was you saw that i was sharing looking for an
apprentice and stuff i was so lucky with this guy joe which he he was literally an hour away from me
you know obviously i'm all over the fucking country and for him to be an hour away now he's
gonna you could just tell he was interested because people
ask questions and he you know someone that you're just teaching that just goes okay okay okay okay
you know how interested do you really think they are but the people that listen to something and
then question about a deeper thought because they're actually thinking about it you know those
are the types of people that i want to hire that i want on my crew because you know they're formidable
they're they're open to learning and you know they're not there's not stuck in the hard ways
but um so i wanted to say another thing about the so sorry what's the name of the the virginia hemp association the
the new one or the yeah virginia industrial hemp alliance okay so the virginia industrial hemp
alliance what is i know you said you're working on a bill now but what is like your immediate
well i say what's your immediate action that we could help you with?
And then what can, you know, is there something that we could all start thinking about for like
six, 12 months plan? Like what, what do you have planned that we could help you?
Oh, sure. Sure. So anyone that's in, in our region could help certainly with some of the state politics that we're doing.
You know, for us, the immediate is to influence our state, you know, our General Assembly and have them pass a bill that will promote and give tax credits and incentives to people to put the corticators in, things like that.
and incentives to people to put the corticators in, things like that.
So, you know, anybody can help because we do all of our meetings virtually.
And, you know, once we get to the national stage,
I've already written a letter to Brooke Rollins,
who's the new Secretary of Agriculture.
And, you know, we are working on...
Brooke Rollins, you said?
Brooke Rollins, right. So we're working on trying to influence some of the language in the farm
bill as well. But like I said, our immediate, you know, task is this bill that we're working on with
the delegate law for and, and, you know, in Virginia. So, um, all right. Yeah.
So keep sharing about that and I'll definitely come and join,
share what I can. Um, I got a question back to the,
the education course. Are you,
are you going to hit hall hit hard at all on the carbon footprint?
Or I know that's turned into a political thing.
So I'm wondering if what your take on that is.
And is it something that, you know, is important?
Should we push?
Or is it going to be kind of left out just so we don't get that,
you know, rolling of the eyes? Oh,
yeah. You know, um,
I'm going to teach the truth and that's the fact that we're heating and we need
to do something pretty soon or we're not gonna be able to fix it.
I think that the, now that being said, when I'm in talking to politicians,
when I'm talking to a politician on the right,
I don't touch on that as much.
So there is a time and a place where you can,
I touch on economics and jobs and farmers because they love that on the
right. Now on the left, when I talk to the politicians on that side, we talk about specifically
carbon negativity, man, and the beautiful things that we can do with this plant and the fact that
we can literally save the planet. I'll talk about that more than anything with those guys. But in the political realm, you kind of have to pick your audience and pick what you're going to say based on your audience, rather.
And I've found that that's incredibly important because, yeah, they will roll their eyes and you'll lose them very quickly if they don't believe in something that you're talking about.
You'll lose them very quickly if they don't believe in something that you're talking about.
Yeah, I've experienced that tremendously being here in Texas.
From Texas to California, obviously the sales tactics are a little bit different,
and I'm going to highlight certain things first.
And that's ultimately what's great about hempcrete is it
has so many different selling points and it's a solution for all these issues in the different
locations absolutely it's a solution to virtually every problem in building if you think about it
and not to mention oh i think about it clean up the environment. You think about it a lot.
I know, Harry.
I do.
You're hyper-focused, bud.
All right.
I got a quick question.
I have a question for you, Scott.
Are there any active programs there in Virginia that are compensating farmers based on carbon credits or any kind of carbon sequestration,
because that also comes into play, you know, as incentive, you know, again,
what, what, irregardless of what side of the argument you may be on, I mean, we're,
we're science people in here. We like science. That's what we like to back up. And I see Paul
Von Hartman's here. I mean, I dream of the day that his book will be a course in itself because
he really presents a lot of the scientific data and, you know, ecological
side to this, to the whole story of, you know, hemp and cannabis in general. But
I'm just wondering if, you know, if you have any like partnerships kind of planned or do you foresee
the class kind of expanding into the local community and starting
to help, you know, kind of get the ball rolling for actual production and agricultural inputs?
Oh, sure. We're going to be pushing immediately to try to get like a community hempcrete workshop in the Roanoke area, Salem area.
That way we can get the students to get their hands in it and maybe build a small wall or
something to kind of feel like they've accomplished something. But at the same time,
the big thing is introducing them to this in a physical way. And Harry was talking earlier a little bit about the VR side of things.
I'm developing a system where you can physically go in
and you can have a pile of blocks on the right and your framing on the left,
and you individually take your blocks and set them and do your thing.
And you could do the same thing with a spray machine.
You just spray your walls and they start to accumulate just like they do in real life.
And you can understand some of the physics and the dynamics involved in doing those things.
Sorry, my son just walked in.
But, yeah. Very good. Yeah. Go ahead, Harry. just walked in. But yeah.
Yeah.
Go ahead, Harry.
I'm sorry.
I was going to, since we're kind of talking about this,
I was going to ask the audience if they,
Scott, I know you know,
but I was going to ask what the first law,
cannabis law that was written in America. Does anyone want to come up and answer that
or take a guess or send it in the pill? But think about that, but I'm going to ask you
a question, Scott, while they think about it. What do you think, or what makes Virginia so important to this movement? And
do you think it's going to be, Virginia will be, you know, a mecca for industrial hemp on the
East Coast? Yeah, I think the reason Virginia is going to be important is because, you know, in the past, to development here, and we need that trend to
reverse where we get more farmers back in the field and, you know, not less development,
but smarter development where we're doing it with things like hempcrete.
So, you know, from that standpoint, I guess it's just a matter of kind of getting it done.
Yeah, build it and they will come.
That's what I'm focused on.
You know, it's just we could talk about, talk about, talk about.
But at the end of the day, it's about doing and showing people.
It's like, you know, for me, me you know it talking about hempcrete for
years and years and years like i i sound like i know i sound crazy because it's it's all made up
it's not well it's not made up it's it's my vision that i'm manifesting but now it's actually
coming true and you know we could have the physical evidence to be able to show that, hey, look at this.
Look at that. This is what I'm talking about.
This is actual, you know, college backed studies that have the data.
You know, we're we're starting to get American studies, which.
again we've had all these answers there's thousands of research papers on industrial hemp with
Again, we've had all these answers.
you know different different characteristics between the building batteries papers ropes
anything it makes colleges have done research papers and i forgot. I think it was Steve that shared with us the last week that a college in England did a whole study of what's the best building material.
And hempcrete is number one.
And you guys know I've been saying that since the beginning and still very open to debating about it.
But, you know, I know there's several different methods you know
we could do we could talk about mycelium and hemp or we could talk about clay and hemp but you know
it's ultimately the lime and the hemp is it's what's known it's what's worked and you know i
know there's the carbon emissions mine in the lime, which I was just talking with an engineer that also does the life analysis tests for materials.
And me, from what I've read, I thought the lime carbonates through carbonization, absorbs the CO2 that it releases.
through carbonization absorbs the co2 that it releases um so like that was equal and out but
he was telling me a study in europe just did it and it only absorbs 20 of the emissions that it's
emitted but then again that's why it's beautifully paired with the hemp where the hemp is 40 percent um 44 percent carbon which the
equations that i've read you know this is something i need to get better on and like i've been trying
to figure out exactly how much carbon is sequestered per block because this is a true carbon
bank you could physically see and feel and it's it's going to be stored there for hundreds
of years hopefully by then you know we have smarter people in charge or you know i don't
want to diss that smarter people because they they are very smart because they are manipulating us and
the psyops and you know it it works you know the reefer madness campaign has been phenomenal for
what it's done in just 80 years and um i did want to bring up the law i didn't see anyone
come up and share about it but everyone thinks it's the 1937 marijuana attack but it's
It's the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act, but it's actually 1619, and it was Virginia wrote the law saying that it was mandatory to grow industrial hemp.
I believe it was flax, too, for colonial resources and security.
That's another thing, Scott, I love to go off of. I know you're,
you're a military history buff too. So like being able to figure out why we were in these wars and
why the actual reason, you know, these wars were fought and like a lot of the, you know, even
today, you know, Iraq in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It's due to power and the oil, which is energy. If we could have this energy source that it is local, it is in a circular economy,
we're not plugged into this massive fucking grid,
not plugged into this massive fucking grid, which if anyone, you know, follows anything,
our grid is very weak compared to, you know, we're very weak as far as we're open for cyber
attacks, which the United States just literally caught a couple of Chinese spies spying on,
of Chinese spies spying on trying to convince the Chinese American born recruits to start
working for them.
Like,
you know,
we're in a fucking war.
It's like,
maybe we're not shooting at each other,
you know,
point blank,
but we are being fucking cyber attacked on daily.
And there are PSYOP missions to,
you know,
conflict Americans against Americans.
And I really think this is something that could really bring us all together.
Because, again, it's city that, you know, say Austin, I share about this, they're trying to get this going here in Austin.
If you could feed and power and supply what you need through 50 to 75 miles of the, I think it was 50 miles of the radius of the city, hasn't been done since World War II.
is to the city hasn't been done since world war ii and to think that we are quote unquote the most
advanced you know first world country where we're leading like we really have to fucking step it up
because it it it is embarrassing i don't know if anyone has been able to travel to Europe and stuff, but, you know, just the cities are cleaner.
The architect and building is obviously a lot older.
You know, I do love that, you know, the masonry
and the way they built the churches and stuff,
regardless of the message those churches deliver.
But it's, you know, it's a step back in time, really.
And those units that have lasted hundreds and hundreds of years, those are monolithic wall systems.
So that's what we're mimicking with these blocks that we're doing now.
But, yeah, that's my little rant about that.
I was going to open up the floor to see if anyone had any questions for Scott McStacey,
the legendary industrial hemp mover who is not only talking about it but being about it.
Star new associations, star new curriculum in colleges,
and continuing the good fight.
So thank you, brother.
It's truly inspiring that you're here sharing the information with us.
And it feels good that we're side by side on this battle,
really in the forefront of this revolution of the Industrial Revolution.
So if anyone has anything to come up and share about,
ask God a question or give praise to him, which he definitely deserves,
feel free to come up and share.
Bon, did you have any questions to ask of them?
Bon, did you have any questions to ask of him?
Oh, we got Tina up here.
Go to some other people.
I do have some questions more regarding the current opportunities
and what's happening locally in Virginia. And I wanted to also ask Scott about
his microgreens enterprise. I don't think he mentioned that.
Hi, Tina. Welcome. Welcome. Did you want to share something or have a question? We're so
glad to see you this morning. Oh my gosh.
Hi, guys.
How is your Sunday going?
Hemp-tastic.
Wonderful.
Well, yes, I'm very happy to get to hear Scott today.
Hi, Scott.
Hey, Tina.
What I saw as an amazing opportunity here is I am on a mission. We have 10 floor plans now that have been stamped by a structural engineering firm and by like reviewed by architects in a department that I actually have a team on now, which is so weird. Um, and they listen. Um, but, um, yeah, we would, the goal is to say architects listen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dude, these Canadian architects and structural engineers, they actually used to work with
the former JBF guys.
Yeah.
But this transfers because we are putting up a home base probably in South Dakota is
what it's looking at.
Uh, working around with like Ken Meyer.
If y'all know Ken Meyer, he's one of my favorite humans in the entire world if you don't know him you should um he's wonderful he came down to my build
um he travels all around um i actually was in vancouver with him just a real sweet hard working
farm guy he used to actually be a a public uh what is it i'm not good with law the one that process a prosecutor
when he pulled for cannabis related crimes uh back when he did that and then he totally pivoted and he owns um complete hemp processing up in south dakota with his brother and a couple other
folks up there um so he basically is like helping and furthering the plant that he used to prosecute people for so
it's like a beautiful thing and he's just like the best guy so ken meyer everybody but um yeah
we would like so we're going to establish a u.s base because obviously reasons right um but the
goal is to get a build in each state and i think that working with skill like schools is going to be
a great way to go about doing that so scott if there's any way i can get you a kit a small one
whatever let's do that because i am all for that i'm all for that for habitat for humanity too so
yeah this has been a great thing anyway that's my thing and i'm just really happy to be here I missed you guys thanks Tina
yeah
ooh Habitat for Humanity
there's some low hanging fruit
hey I got a question
yeah but dealing with all those government
like entities
really is so
difficult and it's a lot of paperwork a lot of you know again
like brown nosing and greasing hands and it's really no our local habitat for humanity branch I don't know. Our local Habitat for Humanity branch and the Nebraska branch has been super,
super into wanting to use hempcrete in one of their retro... They do a lot of remodeling of
existing homes for low-income families around here. I've gone and presented to them. I presented
at Women Build this year, which is their women's build thing where they go and actually build a
house. But I haven't had a product that they were comfortable enough using in the hemp space
in those you know capacities until now so like we're opening doors man we can do the things
yeah well maybe they would be a good um you know that's that's the kind of partner you want to
bring when you're trying to get city council to, you know, adopt a building code like they did in Austin. I mean, the more influential
and existing organizations and partnerships that you can bring to that conversation, I think the,
the better chance you have of, you know, persuading local officials and governing bodies.
Like we were talking about last week, you know, this is another area of outreach that's really important that we are the people doing this, you guys.
I mean, I don't, I think that's the other key thing to remember.
I think that's the other key thing to remember.
Like, folks like Scott are rare to these entities, to these universities.
Everyone in this room, you know, you might feel like you're just one little person or you're, you know, elite group of people with knowledge that the average person just doesn't
have, you know, doesn't have much less average college professors and deans, right? So realize
your value, folks. Our community really does represent the precipice of really incredible change coming.
And I think, again, you know, creating these partnerships, forming these alliances and bringing on board the existing entities that maybe up to this point have only been contributing or part of the problem.
You know, when we talk about really
great dude that's been a really great thing with this company that i'm working with now like i am
i'm able to tag in people like greg wilson and hempwood like i'm trying to see if i can get the
hemp batting freaking harry finally the fireproof, fire resistant, hung batting from James over at Tiger Fiber.
But like, I don't know where they're at. I know he did some testing.
I need, he's on my list, my short list for tomorrow.
But yeah, it's the opportunity to have these kits and then just be like, here, have, you can go online.
It's like building your little house and then they get shipped to you.
And you can pick hempwood, like whatever we designed in there. Some other people who are not me design but i get input which is so cool
is that the same thing that greg um flaval is doing with hemp town on maine or does he have a
different uh kit we we have been talking with greg um we're kind of seeing what that's going to evolve into at the moment. So
we'll see. Well, that's great. I mean, there's room for everyone to, I think, do this for sure.
I think it's funny when we tend to, you know, because of capitalism and the current system, you know, we kind of innately go into this, you know, perspective of, oh, there's competition and we have to.
But I don't think we realize, again, guys, we are we represent a very small percentage.
Yeah.
And when one opportunity falls in.
And there's not enough of us to go around, to be honest.
I mean, we need like a thousand more of all of us.
And then.
And all of these big opportunities give opportunities to everybody else.
Like now I can be like, hey, now my homie does these products.
Like they're like BoardWorks.
You guys know the BoardWorks people?
Like we're going to try to tag them in on doing some like
Interior partitions like this is a whole like circular thing where I can like be like I know a person and then we can like make
Another hemp product an option on a hemp kits like oh my gosh, what I'm so happy. I've got all the I've got all the worm fuzzies
Well, it's definitely exciting.
You can hear the passion behind your voice, which, you know, really is what hiring people.
I literally ask, like, that's the first thing I look for, even working with people is passion.
Because if you're passionate, then you're open to learning.
You know, you don't know everything.
Then again, what I was saying earlier about asking the questions.
But yeah, that's all good news.
Oh, I did have a question for Scott.
Scott, Roanoke, is it like scary, haunted?
Like, Harry, I can't believe you don't know the lore behind the lost colony of Roanoke.
Look it up.
It's a fun ghost story.
Yeah, that's funny. That's,
yeah, they disappeared off of the Outer Banks. And I don't think there is a theory now that
they may have figured out that they integrated into the local tribes and moved on, but they
really don't know. But yes, that's the name. The name Roanoke does inspire that.
Ironically, Roanoke College is in Salem, Virginia, which is right next to Roanoke, Virginia.
So it's kind of ironic.
But that is the origination of that name, the Roanoke Island.
And there's a great play that they do down on Roanoke Island about it.
Well,
can I be the
first to say that ghosts
do not and cannot go through hemp walls?
So, you know.
To protect
yourself from the original
Ghostbusters.
I mean,
if the math masks out, but...
I kind of love that.
The Halloween-y part of me kind of loves that.
Oh, that's the whole
marketing spin right there. I mean,
we don't
get me going on EMFs.
I think they
are...
Those might be the ghosts we need to keep out
these frequencies all around us
that's the one thing I love about them
I built a little form
I built a little form because of your phone box idea
I haven't cast anything in it yet
but I've been fucking around like when I'm on calls
like building this little form
and I'm going to make a little phone box
I wish someone
would I've been telling Harry to do this And I'm going to make a little phone box. I wish someone would.
I've been telling Harry to do this.
And at some point, I think anyone who's creating products, structural or functional products with hemp should include this in their marketing. definitely a benefit for an increasingly growing number of people in our society who are
developing sensitivity to electromagnetic frequencies. But I wish some of you builders
and people doing R&D and posting these videos would do a test with an actual EMF detector.
You can buy them on Amazon for fairly cheap.
Yeah, like that's what she, that's, you got to do that.
Cause I mean, it works.
My brain goes crazy with that.
You know, I want just, I would love just a little hempcrete desktop,
like a little panel just to put my laptop on when I'm sitting and I have my laptop and,
you know, on my lap or whatever. I mean, these are our phones, our laptops, our Wi-Fi routers,
people. I mean, there's so many different products, smaller products that we could be
crafting with hempcrete and, you know, hemp materials to provide that protection.
you know, hemp materials to, to provide that protection. Um, I think there's a,
a definitely some, some, uh, viable product ideas there for, for folks to develop.
Yeah. We did get an EMF reader and it, I still need to like understand what the numbers and stuff says on the screen, but you can clearly see actually specializes in building homes for EMF protection.
And like he puts screens and stuff on the walls.
Like he does a lot of stuff when, you know, you can just be like, hey, here's this hemp shield.
Or if you, you know, that's something that's already built for a remodel.
And then, um, yeah, all these preppers with their Faraday cloth. I mean, Faraday cloth is expensive.
You know what? People are, people are creating like box, you know, like a, a survival box or
whatever. And they, they're lining it with Faraday cloth so that, you know, they've, in case of an EMP or some kind of electrical, um, or internet outage or whatever that would
affect electronics, they, you know, this, this is not, this isn't really pie in the sky anymore.
This is like a real, a real, um, industry and product, uh, niche that i think there's there's so much still to be developed
in it for sure i have said it before but i had to install a new router in the store like i used to
be able to pick up my house internet from the inside of the store and once the hamcrete went
and i had to go get another router so i could have internet over there. Yeah. Well, this brings up a whole new product too.
You guys should check out LovePod.
We're hoping to develop a closer relationship with them.
And maybe, you know, my dream would be to get them kind of as a sponsor somehow
for Natural Build Guild and really start sharing their technology.
They make space on Michael.
I wish he was here.
I don't see him in the space, but Harry, he's the one that maybe we should have him on the show and we can get someone from Love Pod.
might seem a little tangent of a topic, but not really, because when we're talking about, you know,
protecting ourselves from harmful radio, you know, low radio frequencies, and we're seeing
health effects from a lot of these, you know, these frequencies that we're just bathed in now in many of the more industrialized, you know, urban areas.
Having a solution for internet access, especially, you know, those of us homes,
people that are building out in the middle of nowhere, too.
I mean, this is a common problem.
We need internet, Wi-Fi access, but to what
end? And this company, LovePod, is making
incredible technologies using 428 hertz
frequency. So can you imagine having an internet
router that's emitting healing frequencies?
And then on top of that, they have a program where you can own your own data.
So all that data you're collecting now with your own pod, you can, and when we're talking
about developing countries and in rural areas where data is going to be every, this is what
it's all coming down to folks is data. This is the new cash, you know, the new cash crop for
the establishment is harvesting data. So if we can own our own data and have data sovereignty and
be able to leverage the data that we're collecting in our localized regions, then that also protects our industry, gives us a way, you know, way, way a leg up on, you know, a lot of the typical BS that we've seen roll out in other industries in the past and, you know, ways this is, this is how they overtake it,
right? This is how they slowly move in and, and create the corporate capture. So if we have our
own data, that's going to be key. And we're doing so much R and D right now, there's going to be
so much research and, you know, numbers that are going to be really important to moving this industry
forward so if we can own those that's that's giving us a definitely an edge
yeah it's um right you're right you know it's all this data is being collected and
sold to different countries different i mean countries too, but different companies to pinpoint our marketing and continue this manipulation that they have over you guys, not me no kidding um but if anyone had anything else you know to come up with scott
i do um i have a little update going on here um if anyone minds to hear uh merarius our block machine has been running and we have pumped out over a thousand blocks now.
So these are all locally grown hemp. The line is locally sourced. We did use micropoz.
So that comes from Mexico, but we did use a local pozalon so like all this being locally sourced and made
um i got another veteran here working with me now too so again veteran owned business um
and we're really making way you know obviously you guys know me as one of the biggest critics
in the industry so it's it's for a reason you know because i i i deal with these builders i've
i've dealt with contractors and i understand what's going to be you know what's passable
and what's not at the end of the day um so that's what really guys
focused on this block machine which again you know we're very primitive uh we have no electric power
hooked up to our our warehouse you know it's where it's two shipping containers side by side with a
shade cloth over it and both uh you know one one's a diesel powered engine and one is a gas powered engine
so we have um a crew of four people so again that's employment um which four people will do
pretty much where maybe like 75 blocks an hour which you know it doesn't sound like a lot which you know again this is very
primitive we do have another machine that's built right now um that's fully automated that
is would have no i'm only i'm only talking about the machine but that i'm very excited for
Well, I'm only going to talk about the machine, but I'm very excited for Optimus.
Preloom is what we call that machine.
Well, that is a lot, Harry.
What was the numbers you were saying a couple weeks ago for a tiny build?
Yeah, so this...
Only a couple thousand blocks you need.
Yeah, so ideally... That a couple thousand blocks you need. Yeah, so ideally...
That's not a lot of time.
Yeah, so I would say six,
eight hours shift,
you should be pressing for at least six hours
with cleanup and share.
So that's 450 blocks a day
and then five is 2250, which 2,250 blocks would be enough for a 1,600-square-foot house, the exterior walls.
So ideally, we're printing out a house a week with these numbers, which is all fun and dandy and all, but we need the house to put it to.
So I've been reaching out to people.
And again, you know, we're open to all type of partnerships.
So we are trying to bring this, you know, number one, we could actually have this mobile.
So we can, you know, once we're done pressing all the hemp here we could take it to
pennsylvania and say go press hemp there and then this gives it this eliminates the shipping cost
of the hemp you know obviously that's one of the biggest i know for logistically that's one of the biggest expenses and you know we know hemp herd goes from
you know 40 to 70 cents a pound and then all of a sudden you add shipping and now it's a dollar
50 you know dollars 25 which it's it's not feasible so that's uh that's why we got this system rolled up where we could be on a trailer and roll up to any farmer or decorticator and get pressed in.
And obviously lime is sourced pretty much anywhere.
And then we bring our pozolone mixture that we like, which I've been having
really good results on, but I won't talk.
Um, we ultimately, you know, can set this up again, mobile, go to different farms, set
up the blocks.
The blocks are, are ready to, like we're palletizing the blocks within 24 hours.
So that is fucking huge.
Like I thought the, in order to cure it, you know, I was going to have to build all these shelving units and have all this expenses to do.
But it really just turned out to like they, they're self-supported.
And there's one, two, one, two, three, four, five rows on top of the bottom blocks.
And that's five. We have 21 per row.
So there's one hundred and five blocks on top of the bottom blocks that, you know, they're not moving.
They're they're there. So these this is some of the strongest hempc you know they're not moving they're they're there so these this is
some of the strongest hempcrete that I've been making and you know obviously I've seen quite a
few different mixes and batches in my day but it's just really really exciting news. So any type of way, the partnership would be, A, have land to build or grow.
If you want to have a seed to shelter home where you have two and a half, three acres planted,
we come next season and process the hemp and create the building blocks to build right there
or you know with actual decorticators that have a line already like so that's that's also moving
down the pipeline you know i've been speaking with them uh again so this next machine will need 7.5 million pounds a year to run,
and that's equivalent to about 1,200 acres, which still isn't much at all. It's a drop in the bucket
in the main objective of things, where that machine really would be able to pump out I would say about 250 to 300 homes a year
so like those numbers are good but still so far away from where we need to be. Milan you got a
question? Yeah a question for Scott. I was just curious um as to you know, and I know you're still developing your curriculum and program, Scott,
but just curious if you've already been thinking about what types of methods you're going to be teaching there in Virginia at Roanoke.
Roanoke and, you know, how you foresee, because we know each region is different, right? From,
from the potential number of harvests because of the weather and how many growing seasons there
are there to, um, also I wanted to ask about genetics if, you know, are, are you, are you
guys finding, um, certain varieties are, that do really well there in Virginia and maybe share with us some of the environmental, you know, factors,
humidity, temperature, et cetera.
And, you know, kind of how are you seeing it?
What's the successful model you think that's going to work for Virginia
for localizing, you know, production there?
Because we know there's, you know, cast in place is the more traditional method.
And, you know, when Harry's talking about his blocks, everyone, that's a little bit different of a technique.
Still kind of, you know, produces all the same results and benefits,
but the actual process of the building, you know, changes.
And, you know, for different types of builds,
you can see where a cast in place might be a better approach
versus, you know, building with pre-cast,
pre-made blocks like Harry's making. So
just curious if you've kind of thought about any of those, you know, facets for
for your your course and, you know, what you're what you're kind of anticipating
is going to be successful there in Virginia. Yeah, so genetics is a big one.
That's that's under the cultivation class. We're going to be talking a lot about genetics. It's important of the other. What I see in Virginia working
in the short term is going to be just getting up and running and being able to utilize
what we do grow for something and something being animal bedding and things like that,
that we can do without decortication.
Now, in the long term, it's going to require some processing centers in Virginia. So that's one thing that we're really going to focus on in this bill is incentives to try to get
decortication going because, you know, it's the chicken and the egg. You got to grow it,
but you also have to be able to make stuff out of it and um the other thing is we have to figure out this is this the
million dollar question is we have to figure out a product that we can use some of this rough fiber
for that is not textiles because we don't have domestic production per se yet or some but that being said i think we need to look at uh
trying to be creative with this fiber and make other things that will help um you know will help
the environment but also will use that fiber because right now there's not a huge market for
the fiber part we could sell herd i i believe in the mix well you know that's i i love
wade's concept of the of the silage cut um you know and i i'm gonna experiment with that with
my small field that i have at my farm what's left of that is all gonna be chopped and we're gonna
experiment with it that's what we're using. I mean, that's my fucking...
Oh, Harry, you're giving out such juicy secrets. You broke the space. You're going to have to come
back up, I think. Yeah, Harry and I also have been talking about, um, you know, the, the other elephant
in the room, um, just what about working with, uh, your local cannabis producers or, you
know, people that are growing for cannabinoid?
Um, I know, you know, here in California, this is one of the
things that really grinds my gears is, you know, sometimes it makes me feel kind of silly, like
we're, we're spinning our wheels trying to find all these, you know, what genetics are, you know,
what industrial varieties that best grow in our area and trying to get seed and then find the land to grow and like kind of
just starting all from scratch while right in front of us we have you know multi-million dollar
industries that are uh cannabis you know recreational medical uh cannabis production
that's just throwing out all the waste material um And, you know, I know that this,
this overlaps with regulatory policy and, you know, again, takes more of that legwork and,
you know, facilitating relationships with your local government. But I mean, can we, you know, let's, I really feel
motivated and just really passionate about this particular area of, you know, potential. We've
got all this waste product we're just throwing out because, you know, the state has sold us this reefer madness
lie about, you know, THC toxicity. And I know Paul touches on that a lot. And that's, you know,
one of the, one of those, you know, kind of key components that, you know, that so much of the
BS is built on. So I think that's another area. I'm curious, you know, so much of the BS is built on.
So I think that's another area.
I'm curious, you know, have you explored that at all there in Virginia, Scott?
Or do you think that's more of an uphill battle?
Like, how do you foresee any potential there?
Actually, I wanted to say Paul has his hand up.
Is that okay if we go ahead?
Go ahead, Paul.
I know you've got some context to add to this.
Welcome.
It's so great to see you.
Everyone should follow Paul von Hartman.
He's one of the last and greatest of his kind, cannabis scholar, activist, and adventure extraordinaire.
Thank you for being here, Paul.
Well, thank you for inviting me to speak, Scott and Milan and Harry.
Yeah, I think until we deal with the biggest elephant in the room is the myth of cannabinoid toxicity
because it affects every aspect of the industry and people's lives.
And what it does is it prevents cannabis from achieving the scale of production that it requires to be successful.
And the lowest hanging fruit for the cannabis industry in terms of the greatest need
and the greatest potential, of course, is in the regional production of clean energy.
regional production of clean energy and the practical application of the biofermentation
technology that not only applies to cannabis, but all agricultural wastes. And so, you know,
when you're looking at, you know, what's the priority for this industry,
I would submit that the production of energy is the most urgent and long overdue, in fact,
aspect of...
Sorry about that. thumbs double mute go ahead
sorry paul you gotta unmute oh okay um yeah energy production is a priority for a lot of different reasons, as we can see in what's happening in the world today.
And in order for us to get to where we need to be, we have to deal with the lie, the reefer madness
lie that continues to cripple the hemp industry to this day. And if you,
kind of a fun exercise is to ask Grok about the future of some aspect of the hemp industry
and then modify the inquiry by asking, well, how would that change if cannabinoids were recognized
as being non-toxic rather than being characterized as dangerous? And the difference in the growth of the industry is exponential.
And so in any curriculum,
the best strategy is to bring in somebody like me
who's got an extreme view.
And so anybody who comes in after me looks moderate.
I do like that, Paul, that saying intoxicating kind of means that it's somewhat dangerous for you, which...
Or we can't use it. We have to burn it.
Well, intoxicating has the word toxic in it.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking is like maybe that word should be a little bit different.
Well, you know, cannabis is actually essential for optimal health and proper physical development.
And we've known that since the 90s when the endogenous cannabinoid system was revealed.
And we continue to operate the great lie of 1937
that cannabis is bad for the human body which when the opposite is true and so introducing those perspectives right at the beginning is an effective strategy for getting to the point where we recognize the strategic resource value of cannabis.
Because that's the part of it.
The value of cannabis is so much greater than the things that are used to keep it down. That if we are honest
and direct in our assessment of value, we can overcome the irrational social prejudice that we were all born into. But we continue to be governed by that
irrational social prejudice because we've always conceded the toxicity of cannabinoids
and tried to work around the regulation of it rather than dealing with it head on.
And that's what I've been doing head on is I've been challenging the rightful jurisdiction
of the court over something that is both unique and essential.
And that's where cannabis is, you know, you can take a very strong stand for it, no matter who you're talking to,
no matter what aspect of it you're talking about, because the truth is, it's both unique and
essential. And the designation as a strategic resource in, you know, a federal designation establishes the legitimacy of it because it's a strategic component not only in our economic structure and just the practical uses of it, but also the environmental services of it,
which are actually more valuable than any other aspect of it.
But people have to be made aware of those environmental services
and the urgency of implementing them.
So, yeah, that's the way I see it. that's what makes it so ludicrous paul like you're you're
absolutely right how it's we've really conceded we've we've we've allowed it to happen and we
even have folks we even have the receipts for this right paul we've got several past executive orders from U.S. presidents that have identified cannabis as an essential and strategic resource.
We know that during World War II, farmers were commissioned to grow hemp for the war effort.
That was the only way you could avoid the draft was if you stayed home and grew hemp.
We've already got what we need to make our case. draft was if you stayed home and grew hemp. So there's, there's, we've got literally,
we've already got what we need to make our case. We just haven't made it. And, and like Paul's
saying, we, we just keep, you know, kind of what's the word I, you know, tiptoeing around this,
this topic that we really don't need to be afraid.
They're afraid of it more than than we need to be. Right.
I mean, we're the ones with the with the with the proof and the, you know, the like I said, the receipts that we need to take this and, and bring this conversation to light. So I, I, you know, I,
I'm all for, you know, this discussion talking more about, or, you know, planning how we,
how we take action. I know, Paul, you've talked about this for years.
Decades, actually.
Go, you know, if you want to get into that if you want to share
your research on how to go about it
I would just point out that
the due diligence has been
done
I've been saying the same thing for 34 years
and there is
a public record of it
and so
to step into the legitimacy of the world's oldest global culture, which is what the
cannabis culture is, we are the world's most ancient global culture. And as the rest of the
world is waking up and starting to reincorporate hemp into their
agricultural rotations, the legitimacy of the things that I've been saying for the last
34 years is being substantiated and reinforced.
And so in this country, we can take it to the next level because the challenge has been there for more than three decades.
It's not been addressed, but it's been available.
And in presenting these arguments to our elected officials, I think it's important to present a holistic argument
because all systems are connected and all aspects of the conversation relate to every other aspect
of the conversation. So it's really hard to parse it into chunks uh though it is necessary to do that in some circumstances i
agree with that and i have but ultimately you get back it all comes back to the the question of
cannabinoid toxicity which is is no longer debatable if you consider the science.
Paul, you know I love you, but I kind of want to stick to the Build Guild.
I know we go into this conversation, but there's a lot of people in here.
Oh, no, that's all right. I'm done.
You know I love you.
I just wanted to do a reintroduction of the natural Build Guild because I do see there's a lot of newcomers in here. We come every week to share about the
beauty of natural building and me being Harry Hemp, I've learned about Hempcrete,
which now I've become a material supplier of as well. So we come together and share our successes our failures what we're learning
and on the forefront of the industry and now not not to cut you off or nothing paul you know you
do go into the rich history of cannabis as a whole and we really wouldn't even be in this
situation if cannabis as a whole was not demonized and it was completely legal.
So we wouldn't have to have these debates of, you know, intoxicating versus whatever.
But at the end of the day, this is where we're at.
So we have the, you know, we have the means of playing by their rules.
Yeah, we have the means of playing by their rules.
So I think we are, as a whole, getting stronger in numbers, I would say.
But yeah, I just wanted to – I did want to finish off the block here that we have.
The size is 14 and a quarter by 10 and a half by between three and a half to five and a half,
or up to six because for the traditional stack.
And so I've talked to a few people about
ordering them already and oh we also have the 31 by 17 which are the big boy blocks which i
fucking love those too but each different block hat like has its applications to a specific job. So I always do say with my customers that building with hemp,
the builders have to be involved in the designing phase from the beginning
because there are several different things that are different that you have to address
unless when you get to that point of building, they're going to be like, oh, what to do?
So I've seen that plenty of times already.
So that's why we're really coming up with these systems to make it as easy as possible.
And I want to say maybe as easy as possible.
The least amount of things to fuck up.
But I guess it ends up as easy as possible.
But we're starting the dig tomorrow for the 12 by 10 unit, which we're going to be advertising as much as I can.
You know, I'm always open doors.
Anyone feel free to come stop in.
It's in Austin.
So I do like the liability or asset program where if you're an asset, I will pay you to help us.
And if you're a liability, you will pay us to learn.
So feel free to make your decision of what you think you are. And by the end of the day,
I'll tell you, but I usually am very generous. You know, I take care of my people that, you know,
food and stuff. So he's taken care of, but but yeah this 10 by 12 unit i was going to do
just a full structural block build and not do any framing but after deep consideration i'm
gonna do that on my own build but for this one we are gonna be doing the framing so the frame is going to be a post and beam situation where
that's what's going to be holding up the roof and then we're going to be stacking the blocks
adobe style as we would if it was you see the radar is the rain going to be coming a lot
all right thanks rain just came around so some of the blocks again, rain. Now we got rain on the other day, which the blocks got pounded and they still cured pretty,
pretty good. So I'm again, you know, extremely excited about, oh fuck.
Can you guys still hear me?
I think we lost you again, Harry.
Pop back up, Harry.
Sorry guys, give us a second there you are
yeah
alright
can you guys hear me now
yes sir
alright um
yeah so this is
you know again as open as we can be.
And, yeah, the more the merrier.
Something that these blocks can also do is be a remodeling block.
I don't know if anyone knows that that 14 and a quarter,
it ranges from 14 and a half to 14 and a quarter.
And that 14 and a quarter would be, well, it's 14 and a half between two by four, 16 inch on center frame, which is normal construction.
So you can now take these blocks and have a solid thermal mass insulation that's already pre-cured.
So obviously you guys know I've been traveling America to building with other builders and
figuring out what the best method is. So this is really what we've come up with as far as bridging the gap between conventional builders and natural builders,
where there's not so much new stuff to it and it's still accessible.
And again, what we talk about about the education of it, obviously, I want to teach as many people as we can to use these because if I'm not using it, but you are, we're all winning.
We all need more hemp homes, and that's really the facts of it.
the the facts of it um you know i tell me what is your output gonna be like when will you have
available like two years ago i put in all those blocks and like you speak of a retrofit like
that's my game that was my game like i was all about the retrofitting and i want to do more of
it so like i don't have a product like pipeline for those at the moment you know i'm sourcing that many blocks
took me two years before i even got them like so i'd love to know how like what kind of volume
you're going to be able to produce and win and like hopefully get you some product we're we're
producing now we we've hit the thousand block unit um So we could shoot between 2,000 to 2,500 blocks a week,
which that's enough to do any, you know, I would say,
that would be enough to do an 18 to 2,400 square foot remodel
because they'd be going the opposite way
if they're going in between two
by four or two by six framing. So we're, um, something that, yeah. So we, we, I've been pretty
much waiting for some ASTM testing to get back because I want our specific mix to have an R
value. So it's not just, I'm selling a product of here's my words,
you know, here's some actual data to back it up. That is so important. That's the only way this
works. Yeah. So that's what I've been kind of holding off on, but obviously anyone here,
I do post a little bit on Facebook, but we're, we we're we're available to start taking orders now um you know like i said we have this the 12 by 10 unit is going to take about 550 blocks
i'm going to say and actually yeah probably around there i'm going to do some roof insulation with
these two which i are i'm really excited to share that too um but but yeah it's we're pretty much selling to
ourselves right now but we are open to the public as far as people that know what they're doing like
yourself that understand the product and what it's capable of because you know just teaching people what hempcrete is is a huge um you know task at hand but being able
to get these place them in fasten them in and you know i wouldn't use sheetrock but like you
could literally just spend sheetrock over and you don't even know it's hempcrete in your walls.
But until, you know, that that electric bill comes when it's cheaper.
But, yeah, that's that's the excitement here.
We and I'm going to.
So the one thing that I haven't been pleased about with these blocks is the uniformity.
The two sides, the 14 and a quarter by 10 and a half, like that is certain nearly every time.
It is certain. it is there there's a range because you know the hempcrete has a reverb where it once it compresses
expands back out a little bit which we're dealing with but it's the the amount since the amount
physically i'm putting in and these like every single one of these blocks have been pressed by
myself so like it's i again i'm i've never ran a block facility so this is all new to
me um but i understand again what the final product needs to be and what the builders want um
and to be able to ensure that you know we have that three and a half inches and five and a half inches option
we're setting up a bandsaw to literally cut it clean to that square so we all i mean if you guys
have dealt with any type of infill or something like it's you have to scrape and stuff and there's
a lot of cutting and every framer is not going to have complete
16 inch on center so there's going to be some leeway and that's why i love the 14 and quarter
because you know it's going to have that you know eighth like you know quarter inch gap eighth inch
gap on each side which you know you finish with the plaster you do want to
i would still plaster this in the wall like mortar it together i would say and um you know that's
with a literally just a hempcrete mix that is double the lime and you know two parts lime
one part hemp um but yeah we are you wonder, I'm going to ask you guys,
cause we're, we're coming up to the top of the hour now. How else can we get an education out?
Like what else can we do as a group? Like you see Scott, you know, going to colleges and stuff
like how else can we get more people involved and more eyes? I do think starting a nonprofit to where we own the land and be able to, you know, you see what River Amani are doing in Tennessee, which is awesome and all.
But it's definitely like I can't even afford to go to one of those classes. So it's like I want this to be easy, accessible and more welcoming to have anyone come join and then be able to choose a career path in the industry.
Like, obviously, fuck, I've had three jobs this whole year and, you know, I don't expect anyone to live off of that.
And I have, you know, about a dozen people that want to come work with us to quit their job.
It's just we don't have that pipeline yet of jobs lined up where once we finish this build we're on to this one and that one and
that's really how we do it is be able to get that development build where we are developed we are
building you know 100 500 units where first thing we're doing is go and set up employee housing and then now we have 500 units to train all these crews, leaders, you know, come out from, you know, themselves and be able to then either A, start their own business and continue to build hemp homes or B, you know, be part of hemp homes and we, you know, rebuild the
world together.
You know, it's a goal of mine to have all my homies have their own construction company
to, you know, it's, it, it's, uh, no, it's not easy.
I don't want to sit here and say anyone could do it, but it's with the proper help and guidance and mentorship, which, you know, I was very lucky to have my mentors.
I still have in my life and being able to pass down the stuff I learned so others could do is, you know, a bit like it.
so others could do is, you know, a bit like it, it, it's great.
You know, it makes me feel like I'm giving back to something.
And this is, this definitely is greater than myself.
So it's, yeah, it's self, I guess maybe selfish to think about now
because I just do it for my own personal feelings.
But, but yeah, what do you, yeah, can you guys come up?
Or if anyone wants to introduce themselves to, you know, feel free, come up.
But that's what I want to end the conversation with.
Maybe think about it or some people have some ideas now you want to bring up
and spit out.
But if not, you know, we'll think about that and, you know,
come back next week.
I did speak with Joy Beckerman yesterday for the first time.
So she was – I was learning a lot from her.
So I definitely want to see if she'll be able to come on here.
And – oh, Paul left.
I hope I didn't hurt Paul's feelings.
I hope I didn't hurt Paul's feelings.
Moana, do you think I hurt Paul's feelings?
Milana, do you think I hurt Paul's feelings?
I was going to say, I know
Paul and Joy
could go back and forth.
I don't want to eliminate the
cannabis-cannabinoid
conversation completely, but I just
want to be able to stay on topic with
what we do here.
It's called the Natural Build Guild, right?
Yeah. I know i think that that information is valuable but no like this is not the space i don't think
for that yeah milan does host a room every friday which you know we go over a lot of this information. I'm always in, I try to share,
and I definitely suggest people to go on that, The Real Ganja Queen. But yeah, if you guys have
anything else to say, I'm going to have, I'm going to be hopefully jumping in joy next Sunday and
sharing all this wonderful shit we just did this week.
I'm going to be all sad and depressed and say something happened.
But I don't see that going down.
I don't like you guys know this is my breakfast, lunch and dinner.
So I'm completely prepared for anything and everything.
And obviously building like this's all gonna be good
yeah yeah the the homeowner we're gonna be doing adobe floor too so that's i'm really excited about
um the the grounding aspect of it and then hey i won't't have something else to talk about besides hempcrete but if
yeah if anyone had
anything else to say
feel free Milan
do you want to share any closing
remarks
well I don't know.
She's at her phone.
But John, Gary, did you want to say hi real quick at all?
See you.
