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🎙️hitchtani ep 3
Recorded: Aug. 15, 2025 Duration: 3:57:36Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, participants explored the dynamics of partnerships, trends in community engagement, and the importance of fundraising and grants in the evolving crypto landscape.
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Music Thank you. Hello?
Hello?
Hello?
I'm in the bathtub uh i can hear it i need to put my face mask on though
okay like um uh the guy from american psycho is it patrick bateman
yeah how he puts his face yeah i do have like a whole thing I do, but I only have my hair treatment in.
So I'm in the bathtub, but I'm not like prepared to sit and soak, if that makes sense.
Like I've started this space without being in my vibe.
So this is a unknown space,
unknown,
unplanned,
anything can happen.
I mean,
we've been planning this for months,
but speaking of which,
should we start talking about branding?
Like whatever you want,
whatever you want,
my dear.
The space should something you do really well.
You used to do really well. Maybe you still do it really well, is you used to put a question as the space.
And then now everyone's doing that.
But it's like a, it's like a question people, you know, because, and it's so smart.
I don't know if you did this on purpose, but like everyone wants to talk about themselves.
know if you did this on purpose but like everyone wants to talk about themselves so the best way to
get people into a space is to ask a question that you know because everyone thinks they're so
interesting so ask a question that makes people think like oh i need to share this my interesting
answer to this question right correct is that intentional on your part of course
of course it was intentional so yeah my now this might be low IQ now you've stopped doing it
no I haven't okay go on um it depends on the topic so um, um, what I do now is, uh, I try to have, just like,
so people know what's going on. So if it says 20 minutes space, people are used to it. They
know what that means. I'm turning over speakers. I'm trying to make entertaining for the listeners
and then 20 minutes space dash. Why are vegans so annoying annoying do you think vegans are annoying should vegans
be allowed to vote so that's normally what i do something like that or no if it's like a subject
i just will write existentialism instead of writing a question so most of the time i do
questions but i don't always do them you're right you used to do them really well um i think like the first oh i'm shit at them
now i've got well i i just haven't seen i haven't seen you do it i've seen other people do it i think
you started a movement in the spaces ecosystem without realizing it it was preston henshaw's
idea he said to me hitch yeah everything i would do is because of preston henshaw's idea. He said to me, Hitch, yeah, everything I ever do is because of Preston Henshaw.
He said to me, Hitch Slap One, because that's what he calls me.
He goes, Hitch Slap One, I think you should start putting questions after your topics.
I said, God darn it, you're right, Preston Henshaw.
So I started putting questions.
Now, you know why I do it less, and this is just the, I'm just being honest.
Early on when I'm trying to get people into the space,
then a question is very, very important.
Once the space gets big and it's popping,
it really doesn't matter what's in the title.
It's not that big of a deal.
So early on I'll try to, you know, if the space is growing slowly,
then I'll make sure it's a catchy question.
But once there's already the topic people are talking about it,
then it's not as important to have a question.
That's what I was saying.
We need a good psychological question that makes people think,
ooh, I want to answer that.
And then later we change it to Hitchtani episode three, right?
Yes.
Now, I do say Snackleore that a very interesting space yesterday she was hosting
very well done by the way snack and um they were talking about should women be allowed to vote and
this brought in beardson and a few other people i don't know if you caught that's in tiny but uh
it ended up becoming it started off as like an all-girls space or mostly girls space.
And then Beards and some other guy started arguing with each other.
So it turned into like a man arguing space.
It was very, very interesting.
Yeah, that's a good, catchy thing.
But I don't know if I'm in the mood for the crowd that would, what about like psychological?
Fuck, because I know i've noticed this i noticed
the titles of spaces i've seen a lot of really good ones i know you've made really good ones
but i can't remember any of them and when i sit here trying to think like what is a psychological
question i i don't even i'm i i can my brain turns off what are the what are the ones hitch
like oh you just want me to give you a not like a because i'm fine with the in future hitch slap
because i'm here to win like you and i hitch tiny needs to take over like the let's go if we're
doing spaces we're doing the biggest, the bestest spaces.
I'm not playing around.
So we can do the whole should women be able to vote, oh my god, women are retarded thing.
Permission, permission.
Smack, please jump in.
Okay, yeah, that ended up being the title and in our defense it was um not meant to be
a big space just first of all um and then it got reposted by a person or two with a big following
and it brought a big crowd and so really it was like just mostly hoping at Wednesday on, you know, stateside at 1 a.m. that there wouldn't be very many people that would come out.
So we had to kind of come up with something.
Wait, why are you saying in your defense?
if you do want to draw a crowd before changing the title to episode three,
you know,
should women be allowed to vote is the way to do that.
It is a good way to do that.
Yeah.
I wasn't attacking you at all.
You're talking to someone,
you need,
you need to check out my,
you know,
I got my sub badge and monetized off of farming red pillars saying that I'm a 47 year old woman i can't find a man
please help oh my god i mean you might as well i know and um he's i think all i heard was a little
bit about like the crowd no i'm i'm pro farming-farming. I'm just saying for tonight, I don't think I have the energy for that kind of crowd.
And fair enough.
I kind of checked out.
Thankfully, I have a pretty good co-host or two.
So you did it unintentionally.
Unintentionally.
I think the space started with like a happy birthday.
It changed titles a few times throughout the night as the people,
as people showed up.
So it was the first one I've done.
And it was like literally just to kind of try it out on a Wednesday in the
middle of the night.
Well, now you just need to start doing it on purpose.
Yeah.
Next one.
Are 23, have purpose. Yeah. Now, next one, have 23-year-olds, do they hit the wall or something like that?
Do women hit the wall at 23, question mark?
Actually, no, no, no. Well, you can use it too, but Hitch, we need to use that.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Carry on.
Okay, I just wanted to chime in.
What is a good idea. Carry on. Okay, I just wanted to chime in. Thank you. What is a good psychological question?
Well, while I was thinking of that, I just want to hit snack with –
I just want to make one comment.
I certainly was not attacking you or be smirching you in any way,
shape, or form.
I was just being descriptive.
Like, we were talking about good titles, and I thought that was a good title.
Now, I know it was probably accidental or inadvertent, but no, you have a very good title.
How many spaces have you hosted, Snack, before?
Zero.
That was the first one.
Oh, that was your first one?
Mm-hmm.
Oh, my goodness.
Mm-hmm.
You did an excellent job.
You had a very good showing, and yeah, it was a lot of fun.
Well, thanks.
Thank you very much.
It was more than I was prepared for.
And that probably showed, which is why we did not record it.
But, yeah, it was successful, I guess.
I will just ask one fact check.
You don't have to confirm or not.
But, you know, in the interest of community notes with a fact check,
there was one or two claims that one of your co-hosts might have had a wine
or two or more.
Well, her name is Dumb Woman.
I call her Smart Woman.
And I think it was like blood pressure medication.
I don't know.
I mean, everybody keeps saying that because when you have –
when you're like surrounded by a bunch of dudes who's like, you know,
and it's just like a couple of chicks hosting a space,
that's pretty much the go-to argument, generally speaking.
I mean, let's say she did have a wine or two.
I mean, do you think there's anything wrong with have a wine or two. I mean, do you think there's anything
wrong with having a wine or two or more on spaces? I don't necessarily think there's anything wrong
with that. No. And it was her first time too, like to do a space at all. I've had a wine or
two on many spaces. Yes, you have. Or two or three. i don't necessarily know i don't think there's anything
wrong with that i think i think it just becomes a really easy um out you know in in that in that
crowd when you have a bunch of men debating with a woman who is smart and funny and you know all the things yeah i want to publicly
say i have no problem with people uh having a few drinks on spaces even during the space i mean who
cares it's a space it's the internet who gives a crap so you know that girl if she did or did not
have a wine or two i mean who gives a shit you're allowed to drink on
like whatever she's worked she's had her days over whatever's going on
yeah i mean who cares i mean i don't know if it's just me maybe it's australian culture
but in australia we and uk as well you know we like to have a drink we'll have a sneaky a cheeky
drink after work and it's normal
I don't know there's this like movement on spaces like I get it right you don't go into someone
else's space where they're having a serious topic and then you're like you know off your nut you're
drunk off your head don't do that but if it's like a chill space and you know the people and
your friends with them or your co-host I mean do what you want it's your space that's how I kind
of say it what do you think no i totally agree i totally agree it just
started to become it just like starts to become like the go-to argument when they don't really
you know have a kind of like a another point to counter to counter with you know it's just an easy
go-to i was listening to that and she's pretty funny uh
that girl i don't know where i've never spoken to before but uh yes she was uh a very funny girl
she had some good jokes she is and um it's like i i can i'll put her um i'll tag her in the comments
if that's okay if you want i i mean you can it's up to you i mean yeah if you want
no problem at all um i see zintani's cleared out the title so i don't know what's what's the idea
behind clearing out the titles in tiny you didn't like um you don't appreciate women why do you hate
women i'm gonna put the title why does z Intani hate women? I hate women appreciation things, but I love women.
I hate when they do the whole, like, it's a girls' club.
It's girls' time now.
Like, the real girls' club is going to be intermingling with the men
because the men have the power and the money
so i don't this whole like go girl get like i don't know
what do you think snack are you in favor of the girl power girls we stick together girl power
no not at all i think i mean yeah no i no that's not generally my chick um
yeah it's so it's so contrived right yeah and it's it is forced for sure um but that's what
makes it really easy to promote the ones that you like genuinely truly like for lack of a better term vibe with you know um so no i'm i'm with you
on that yeah i will say though i really um yeah it's weird because i am i think i'm a feminist
but i i'm not a delusional feminist so i don't think women who don't want to be in the workforce should have to be in the
workforce fucking anyway but if we're playing that fucking game um it is really nice to have
powerful female friends like in the music industry working for women is so much better
than working for men yeah well and i think a part of that is like the communication style
you know makes it it's easier for they're not trying to rape you for one you know like they
hate and they understand because they they're in that position after having to deal with a bunch
of weird shit but i know the music industry is a bit different it's like a it's a super um what
is the word for it like concentrated version of other because i know there's i know there's like
men sexual exploitation in other industries but music industry is just fucking hell on earth
yeah i imagine um like yeah like a male-dominated.
I think that you can, that's true for, and I'm not far from that industry, I guess.
Like being a makeup artist and hair, like doing makeup and hair.
And I started out in a production side that like very very quickly became apparent that that because while you know
male makeup artists are generally you know not straight the other side of that industry is like
production you know all that so um so i get it so back to the original question on um like girl power for the sake of girl power
not necessarily no but um i definitely try not to pile on just for the sake of piling on because
it's really easy to do on twitter especially
yeah i don't attack women to just attack women for the sake of it.
You do not.
I think this is bad.
You do not.
Yeah, no, no, definitely, definitely not.
I don't like men that attack women for no reason.
I don't like women that attack other women for no reason.
There's some women that, yeah, they would just attack other women.
I mean, I won't get into evolutionary reasons why they do that,
but they're just worried about getting bumped off
their run on the ladder
or losing their position, so to speak.
But often, hashtag not all, hashtag not always,
when women are like,
yes, queen, yes, I support you, yeah,
you should hear the vicious stuff.
The women that are the loudest,
I'm girl power, I support women,
we go stick together, in the DMs, this bitch, she's fat, blah, blah,
can't stand her.
Bro, what are you saying?
Yeah, it's all bullshit.
Well, a lot of the time when women are publicly, girl power,
stick together, we support women, you should hear them in the DMs
being vicious.
Has that been your experience, Snack?
Have we all been there probably yeah yeah i mean i can't like i know that like i've heard you talk a lot about um that study that you reference a lot like um the hairdressing one
that will like cut females hair super short you know if they're like not very
or like if they're threateningly attractive at all um and i found that funny but that's kind of like
i just have always felt like an anomaly in that sense like i i know a girl's girl and then I know a I know one that like kind of
fix it to make it also and then we're all capable of both I guess so
completely fair we are all capable both completely agree for anyone who hasn't
heard about it there's a study where they if the woman asking to have her
haircut so you have the the person cutting the hair is a woman, if the woman asking to have her hair cut, so you have the person cutting the hair is a woman,
and if the client is very attractive,
the woman will recommend they take off more hair,
like try to make the hair very short.
And if the woman getting, if the stylist has the client who's got,
if the client, if the stylist has a client who's not very attractive,
the stylist would recommend she keep more hair.
So basically, if the woman's hot, the stylist will cut off more hair
to make her less hot.
And if she's not that hot, the stylist will say leave more hair.
Everybody knows long hair is beautiful on women.
So, yeah, it's a very interesting study.
I don't think it's as big of a – you talk about it a lot I don't experience it in my
life like the kindest people I know by far the kindest people I know are women um the most loyal
people I know are women um and and I can I can say like, you know, I love aspects of men too.
The smartest people I know are men, the most talented people I know are men.
But, um, yeah, there's like catty bitches that, but you're supposed to grow out of that
in middle school.
I think most women do.
I, I, I genuinely think it's a rare thing for the introsexual competition thing to extend into adulthood.
I'll be honest.
I just know the basics.
I know a couple of studies, especially David Buss has a lot of work on this.
And his conclusions are where I draw most of my data from.
And they're pretty well replicated.
But I get your
point you know everyone's experiencing uh different uh people different men different women different
um you know life experiences so I get it I mean but I remember working through this in middle school
like I remember experiencing oh that's a pretty girl she She's prettier than me. I hate her. Fuck that bitch.
And then growing out of it.
Like, I remember developing.
I think it's something that, like, assuming,
I think it's a part of development.
like we're touching on we're touching on um like hormonal root issues in a person that
that people are supposed to and naturally do grow out of i think
sometimes they lag yeah obviously there's a variance, like, you know, just like with height.
In Japan, some guys are 5'9", some are 5'11", some are maybe a bit taller.
So, yeah, I would agree there's variance.
I guess I tend to think in averages, like on average.
And it's my impression that both men and women are competing with their own sex, right?
So men are competing against other men.
The only difference, and tell me if you agree,
men generally are more obvious in the way they compete,
whereas women have this, in my opinion,
a fake veil of support publicly,
but privately they're competing viciously
to either take someone else's spot
or make sure their spot doesn't get taken.
Would you agree um i don't i don't know i'm trying to think of a catchy title while we talk about this
the way that i i'm trying to gather my thoughts here the when when i'm okay let's say there's a man I want and another woman wants him.
I usually don't run into that.
But if I'm, like, imagining that, like, I really want him, I will not let him go sort of thing.
Because typically if I think someone's attractive or whatever and my girlfriend likes him, I'm like, well, bye.
I'll shut the guy down, in fact.
But isn't the competition more against the man than it is to the other women?
How do you mean against the man?
like you need to show him uh that you're the best i guess it has nothing to do with in fact
like focusing on the other woman takes away the attention from you so isn't it counterintuitive
if i sit there that's how competition works if i sit there and i say that girl is so ugly i'm way prettier than her that would not work on anything yeah well they
don't do that what they do is reputation destruction so uh first of all it can happen
at different stages so it can happen in the workplace right not not out in a bar whatever
just uh there's a guy there who gets a lot of attention and the women are
competing behind the scenes. So publicly, it's like, oh yeah, Julie, she's amazing, blah, blah,
blah, publicly. Behind the scenes, she may be telling either the other girls or the man,
and I'm going to be a little bit hyperbolic here, but I heard that Julie just went home with two
guys the other night. I'm not saying she did anything, but she left with them at the same time.
I don't think her morals are really there, blah, blah, blah.
So they'll engage in this kind of reputation instruction.
They won't just say Julie's ugly because this is very transparent,
but they'll engage in reputation instruction.
And then they also compete.
You're kind of like testing the waters.
The woman who thinks that she's high up in the run,
she'll let the other women know, hey, who do you think you are?
Know your place, blah, blah, blah.
Or she'll just kind of, again, try to get her out of there.
If a new woman comes on the scene, the established women don't like it
and she's got to know her place.
And if she signals, oh, you know, you girls are lovely, blah, blah, blah,
then okay, she's in, that's fine. But if she doesn't, if she doesn't you know you girls are lovely blah blah blah then okay she's in
that's fine but if she doesn't if she doesn't play the game i mean you've experienced this
intani that girls will get vicious they try to get rid of you that will smear you all kinds yeah
i've had many women i don't i don't think i've ever been in a relationship with a man where i
didn't have women try to get break us apart it's just never done anything that that's why like from my perspective i don't
i don't know it's not much breaking apart i think it's a for available they just made themselves
look stupid though because everyone knows what they're trying to do or maybe it's that like my
relationships i'm usually so close to them that there's no,
if you try to break us apart, you're going to look stupid.
So I don't know.
I think it works.
It's the most prominent in the early stages before you're actually dating someone.
I don't know if they're really engaged in it as much once, you know, with established
couples.
It's more like if there's a single guy and they're interested in, they will, and it doesn't
even have to be a guy.
It can just be about the pecking order.
I think this is, like – oh, I know why it's – yeah,
because people are confused about biology.
Women should not be competing.
That's why this whole concept was, like, weird to me.
The men are supposed to compete.
Women are sexual selectors.
Correct.
If a man doesn't want you, as a woman, your job is to say, okay,
and look at the men that want you.
True, but it's also reputation matters in all domains of life so if the girls can smear the other girl this gives her an advantage over her over the
girl she's smearing i highly doubt this like works out well for the women that engage in this
i mean yes and no it's a a risk-reward, right?
Like on a poker table, you put, I don't know, a roulette table.
You put all your money on black, you're either going to double your money
or lose all your money.
So it's kind of, I mean, I'm being a bit hyperbolic, simplistic,
but to some degree, it's a risk.
But if it pays off, if you get the girl out of the, you know,
you don't have to compete with her anymore,
then you have a much higher probability of getting the man you want
if you smeared her.
I think it's the wrong game for a woman to play.
I agree with you.
I'm in complete agreement.
I think there's smarter games
in the sexual marketplace or whatever for women well i mean you know there's a reason that a lot
of people satirize this it's not it's not just like you know it's not a it doesn't come out of
nowhere and there was a funny video where i actually posted i can probably find it um the
girl says to her boyfriend it's like a setup right it's a find it. The girl says to her boyfriend, it's like a setup, right?
It's a comedy sketch. And the girl says to her boyfriend, I can't believe you've got girls'
phones in your, girls' names in your phone. And the guy goes, it's my mom. And the girl goes,
exactly, that's even worse. And then the guy like storms off and the two girls go,
you know, we're going to do something that's absolutely going to ruin her life. We're going to tell her the worst thing we can think to tell her and then I walk up to her and they go he's
such an asshole I can't believe the way he treated you you did nothing wrong girl blah blah blah and
basically like at the end it cuts and they're like you know women are telling you that because
it's an advantage to them if you are you are behaving badly or if you've got an ugly dress,
if they tell you it's nice when it's not nice,
this is a competitive advantage for them.
And I don't know if women know it intuitively or instinctively
or subconsciously or deliberately,
but they definitely know it on some level.
I know when they're doing it to me.
Yeah, it's like a female language.
I can tell if a woman is, what women are really good at
is if you have two women in a room and there's like 10 guys, a woman will say something like,
you look really pretty today. And all the men in the room will hear, oh, she's being so nice.
She's complimenting. I found myself in this situation a number
of times because I just don't have the patience for this when women do it. So I will typically
in this situation say, what the fuck is your problem, bitch? Let's talk about it. And then
everyone in the room is, oh, whoa. And then she's crying. I't understand i'm like yeah you don't understand bitch whatever
i you know like and men don't understand they think i'm i'm the mean one i'm not i'm not being
mean i'm i'm i'm well i am being mean but i'm i'm saying like let's put the cards on the table
bitch like what don't put me through this ringer where I have to respond oh you look so pretty
today too he he I'm not gonna I don't I can't I'm autistic I can't do that to you and and also I
don't care about it so yeah I I've many many times I've been in that situation where I say you know
shut the fuck up bitch or something like this and then all the men are mad at me and
I'm like you guys are retarded and I'll just say that you're all retarded um and then I'll look at
her and be like she's retarded too but um yeah typically does not end well for me but I'm usually
not competing for any of these men when I am in that situation. And if I am competing for a man, that's the thing.
It's like, oh, that's another
thing. Why this has not affected
me in terms of getting
a man is because the men
I do want,
they understand what's
happening. So if
there's a man that I want, typically
they have the cognition to
understand if I'm saying that that other girl was being a bitch in the first place.
Yeah, there's two questions here.
Does it work out well when they do it and do they do it?
I'm only addressing the second claim.
I'm claiming that they do it.
You experienced it.
I've seen it.
We've all seen it.
Women will give other women bad advice because it gives them a competitive advantage.
Or they will smear them because it also gives them a competitive advantage.
And that's the whole point of the cutting off the hair thing.
Or in that clip, the comedy clip I mentioned, which I'll find, I'll put it up,
this is exactly what they're hitting on.
This girl was attacking her boyfriend because the boyfriend had the mum in the phone. And instead of the girl saying, hey, you know what? You're
not helping yourself. This is not going to bode well for you. They say, you're fine. It wasn't
you. It was him. You're a queen. You're an angel. So David Buss would argue they're doing this
to give themselves a competitive advantage. If this girl is acting nuts and they tell her she's
fine, she keeps doing it, they have an advantage. So the only question to me is, do they do it deliberately or is it a
subconscious of all things that they're not even aware they're doing it?
No, they're aware. Are women aware?
Are women self-aware?
Yes, women are way more self-aware than men are are women sentient
no i i think it's in our i think it's in our biology um women are highly manipulative
um naturally and it makes sense for it to be that way because if you're you know I hate to use
what is it called evolutionary psychology but I think there's a lot of good stuff in there you
know if you're a cave woman and the caveman has all the meat and he's kind of a dick you know
and you're starving well you can't beat him up for the meat you know so to what you have to learn
you have to learn how to get some of that meat without using your physical body so i mean 100
correct it's exactly what david buster's research says women are weaker than men
so they've evolved other strategies uh to try to succeed and become victorious.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Because they can't use strength, yeah.
I just don't, I guess what I disagree with is that the intrasexual competition has a focus on other women.
I don't think so.
I think the best power play you can make if you're, I guess, competing with other women is to not compete.
Well, again, you know, do they do it? And is it a good strategy? These are
completely separate questions. I don't think maybe I could, I can see what you're saying,
but I think there is an issue with these studies being done from the male perspective. I think
there's a huge issue most of the time
with people asking the wrong questions.
So I think in the case of like,
how do women compete with each other?
A man is going to ask the wrong questions
because men don't understand how deep
the like psychological games
that women are socialized and biologically,
I believe, drawn into playing.
It's an interesting point. There are some female evolutionary biologists. Brett Weinstein's wife
is one of them, Hannah Heine, Heather Heine, and a few others. I will say I don't know what
questions they've asked, but yeah, I mean, they could research it if they wanted to, I'm sure.
But if you ask Santani whether women should compete with one another,
for what would they be competing?
I'm assuming a man.
Like, I'm hopefully a provider man.
But the world is crazy.
In the field of competition, there is such a thing as winning, right?
So if we try to think about that, for instance, if I'm in a foot race with Hitchlap,
I'm not directly competing with him.
I'm really competing with the track, right?
I mean, it's just how fast I can run, how I can accomplish my goal.
Now, if you're saying your example was two women in a room with ten men,
it would seem like the men would be more in competition than the women.
First of all, no man would even grasp the fact that it was an insult
when another woman said, you look pretty today.
And it really wouldn't have a lot to do with whether you or the other woman
was going to win or lose in terms of, let's say, the man of your choice in the room.
So isn't it fair to say that it's better to picture what it is you're trying to accomplish, how you define victory, and go after that rather than to be sort of running beside the girl and constantly obsessing with what she's doing, staring at her, looking at her, giving her any attention whatsoever,
when that doesn't really win the prize.
Isn't that fair to say?
Wait, can you ask the question again?
Well, when we think about competition,
in the example you gave two women in a room and ten men,
if you simply focused on what it is that you wanted
in the room, what outcome you wanted, you would probably, it would seem like the best
course of action competitively would, assuming that maybe the other girl would like want
the same guy, would be to focus on the object that you define as winning instead of the
other woman.
Is that, isn't that fair to say?
I am, I'm struggling to, I'm struggling to put myself in the hypothetical because, like
I said, in my experience, the types of men that I like are not stupid or unaware or sorry not not because most men are unaware about these things
but they're more aware of things so um i i i'm just trying to this hypothetical i it was is not
in is not to do with women competing. It was...
That's a real situation that I've been in.
Yeah, but some woman says something
insulting to you or passive-aggressive,
I think is the example you gave,
was passive-aggressivity.
Wouldn't it make more sense for me
to play the passive-aggressive game
if I wanted a man?
No, no, I'm saying who gives a shit about her?
You're not there for her. You don't care about
her. She's not...
If the supposition is
that you want to
have some relationship with
one of the men in the room,
then why not just go right at that?
Who cares about her?
Why would you put any energy in her?
In other words, if we're defining, if you say it's competitive
and we're defining winning as accomplishing that particular goal,
isn't the best course of action in order to win,
by the game theory that you presented,
to simply go after the man that you want?
No, my stance is that if a woman is going after a man that she wants,
she's going against her biology.
And she's probably going to lose.
That's my stance.
So you're saying you're waiting for the overture from the man and that's it?
Yeah, women are supposed to.
And we live in such a clown world right now where everything's backwards.
Hitch, your mic's open. Oh, sorry. a clown world right now where everything's backwards hitch your mics open oh sorry um we
we we live in a world where i've noticed culturally men are hitch can you mute sorry let's just stop
one sec creative differences in the back channels in the Hichitani entertainment club.
Sorry about that.
Go ahead.
Zintani, go ahead.
Zintani, go ahead.
What were we talking about?
Oh, yeah.
No, my stance is quite concretely that, like, culturally,
there's a movement where it seems to be men are looking at the role of women and they're spreading an agenda that they should act like women, as in like to do what women are supposed to do.
Look at your options and choose the best of your options and let them fight over you.
But my stance is like, this goes against biology.
So a woman should never be competing with another woman. And yeah.
So you're not in competition with this other woman.
What I'm saying is that if we're studying like intrasexual competition, I think the premise is faulty to begin with because you're just dealing with a bunch of retarded women.
So, so, so like I agree that most women compete, will compete for a man they want.
But what I'm saying is it's not the role of a woman to want for a specific man.
to want for a specific man um i she can if she's lucky enough that he he wants her first
but if she goes against that if say she she wants a man and the man is deciding between women
it's it's just retarded the man doesn't have a womb what is he deciding between he doesn't have a womb
to protect um what he he he can impregnate all of the women why is he deciding between women
the whole premise is silly to me well he's obviously deciding between women based on his preference. This is preference theory, my friend.
It's, I think it's counterintuitive to biology.
Well, kind of not because it's survival of the fittest.
The men are going to be attracted to women that are going to have strong babies.
Well, at least they used to be.
So the men do choose who they're going to have because they
want back in the day they want your your genes to go on to the next generation in order to do so
you've got to find someone that is strong that is healthy that's going to give you lots of babies
yeah um but genetically women are the only ones example, that can smell pheromones, pheromonal compatibility, sorry, pheromone compatibility with a man.
Men cannot.
Like, women are sexual selectors.
So men are supposed to choose, yes, from the whole pool.
They look at the sea.
They choose which fish they want. And there should be other fish going after that fish, and then they beat them up.
It's the way it's supposed to be.
And then the woman looks at the men that are competing and chooses the best fit, genetically, whatever, she smells them and whatever, and then chooses of those people or those fish that that
that's in our biology it's in our it's that's why when people talk about these things as if men and
women are are the same um it's very confusing to me okay so you go sit in a room there's eight there's ten men you and one other woman
and you remain relatively stationary you don't engage with them in any way shape or form
and your plan is for them for their initiative to express itself and then you will choose
after that is that correct um yeah generally i i'm not saying i'm perfect but
like cognitively um yes i do not go into a room and choose the man i want um the men
do you ever go into a room and notice the man that you're attracted to um sure
yes okay so in that circumstance you see a man that you're you're the really? Sure. Yes. Okay. So in that circumstance, you see a man that you're,
you're the really lot of qualities that you like. You hear him talk. I'm sure that's important to
you too. Yeah. I've been in this situation many times. When, when a girlfriend of mine likes that
guy, I shut him down. Okay. Suppose she doesn't. She doesn't like him?
Right.
Then I don't shut him down.
Okay, but suppose he's just talking to people in general.
Do you engage him?
Do you do anything to sort of, you know, demonstrate you're there and maybe get him to engage with you?
Yeah, but to a limit, you know.
If I notice myself chasing a man, I look for where I've been tricked.
And generally someone has tricked me, and then I think, um, I think there are hormonal drives. Um,
and then there's like a way to be one with your hormones.
I think what you said now makes more sense to me, though, because the idea that's a call and response.
I agree with you about the chasing of the man.
I still think organically the initiative should be with the man.
And also, I'm not sure I think much of the man who won't take that initiative.
But when you sort of do a call and response where you something where you're expressing that you his presence is at least agreeable to you,
well, then you've opened the door in a sort of a gentle, subtle way for him to take his initiative.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I agree with you about the rest of it,
though. I don't think you take it any further. Men, just speaking for our gender, if we think
we have the slightest chance and we're attracted, we will, if we're real men, we will push that door open.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Supposed to.
Well, that's a good point.
To the point David just made, for most men, we're sort of like, if you are at or above where we find women attractive, are like pre-qualified to be with us. And then you will
select yourself out through your attitudes or behaviors. But like, there's a baseline where
any woman who's this hot or hotter has a chance with me or hitch or whoever. And then it's based
on how that's where you're getting at with the sexual selection component. And then like David
said, you got to compete after that point to prove that you're worthy of this woman.
But for us, it's like looks are pretty much the looks determined whether or not you get a chance at the door.
Yeah, the way and I'm not I don't know, maybe I'm totally off base.
You know, I'm always open and being off base and whatever.
But the way I experience the dating life or whatever is generally
my job. And I, I do believe it is my job to test men, test their stability, their emotional stability,
um, their insecurities, their anger. Um, are they a provider? Is this someone that will,
you know, get, are, do they have drug dependencies? Um Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It is my job to test, test, test, test, and then periodically like open the doors to get closer to me.
People in the world has switched this around to say that men should be the one doing this to have boundaries to like it's fucking ridiculous because the reason women test you and blah, blah, blah is because they're smaller than you and they have one womb that you could impregnate.
Women should be the commitment averse ones in my opinion
women should not be chasing
that's my stance
no I was going to say I don't think that women should
go ahead someone trying to speak go ahead
Tani was talking was a scene in Jurassic Park where they're talking about the raptors jumping fences testing them for points
Yeah, I do that I do see like that I relate way more to where I noticed like I do that instinctually hitch
I'm not even always aware of it. If there's a man after me, I will test him
without even knowing I'm doing it. It's like ingrained into me. Okay, give me a test.
A test? Okay. I ask you to do something that puts you in a vulnerable position and then I disappear. I see. I'm not
sure how that test would apply to the man. How does he fail that test? Getting very angry if he
gets violent. Wait, you just met. Oh, I'm not doing this test. This isn't day one.
This isn't day one test.
This is like way further in the line of tests.
Oh, I see.
You know, this is like, okay, maybe I'm going to grant sexual access tests before that.
It's a hard test, you know. But again, I mean, I think I'm saying stuff that, like, all women do.
Maybe men would be like, oh, my God, that's terrible.
But it's like, no, it's not.
It's like, I want to know if I'm going to be in a sexual relationship with a man that he isn't going to murder me or murder me and my kids if he gets angry one day, you know.
or murder me and my kids if he gets angry one day you know it's interesting because you're talking
about not chasing men but just think about it think of a woman who intentionally entices a man
gets pregnant with him trying to force him to be in a relationship that's the exact same way
that i feel about women who chase men you are just trapping a guy who really doesn't want to
be with you if if he's not showing interest why would you go out of your way to try to make him love you
because at the end of the day he's really not going to you're just convenient in that moment
until he finds something better to keep him happy exactly she's trapping herself it's why women
shouldn't chase so you you get pregnant good job he doesn't want you now you're pregnant with a man
who's not going to provide for you not isn't going to be there for you. You trapped yourself. When I hear that women poke holes in condoms and shit, that shit blows my mind. These women are retarded. I mean, they're stupid.
I mean they're stupid
who are they trapping
you're not trapping him
he's going to pay the bare minimum
child support that he can get away with
you're trapped bitch
good job
like what
game over
you made yourself lose
I don't understand
this is why I say
I think the world is
upside down.
Okay, but back to dating.
So you're willing to make a very, very subtle overture.
Then he expresses initiative.
He comes over and talks to you.
Do you test him in any way, shape, or form that evening?
No. I'm meeting someone for the first time no
no i guess the only well it's not tests but i'll look and see like is he attracted to me
uh does he like me you know
the first ring of tests isn't even really tests it's more just like do you actually like me
because i also think like for men um their role is to yeah
spread the seed um so i think it's women's job to make sure that if he does spread his seed with you,
that he's not going to, you know, that will take care of you, take care of you and the kids.
Do you know what creates misogynism is guys who play the long game,
guys who won't make that initial overture, guys that won't be that obvious. So what they'll do is they'll try to be the girl's friend over a longer period of time.
And then when she doesn't respond romantically, then he feels that he wasted all of that time and effort and maybe money.
And then he gets angry.
And I realize, oh, my God, you're turning yourself into a misogynist because you don't have the guts just to ask her directly from the beginning, just to make your overture right from the start.
Everyone is doing their biology correctly. Everyone's fulfilling their role correctly.
The men, men take on a lot more risk in this case.
And I think it's why men like red pill men are spreading the agenda that men should be like women and have women compete for them.
But it's a scary position to be in because there's going to be many male losers.
You know?
But, I mean, that's what men are supposed to do.
They're supposed to be strong and try to try to win.
When I first got on X a year ago,
I was talking about this in some space and a young man said to me that he had
problems with the rejection and that was his issue. And I,
I just didn't know what to say.
I'm like, well, buddy, then don't date.
You have to be able to deal with the rejection.
For a man, I don't mean to be rude here,
but it's a numbers game.
And if he has a problem with rejection,
then I don't know what to tell him. I think Darwin wins.
Yeah, I mean, if...
What, Julian?
You're breaking out.
Am I back?
Yes.
The testing of the men, some guys I've known, they get really upset at that.
Like, you know, she'll be cooking dinner and she'll say,
can you come fill this pot with water for me?
And they get upset because they're thinking, you're standing right there, you can do it.
But they don't realize the reason that she's asking you to do these mundane things
and, like, put down the video game for five seconds.
She's testing you because she likes you.
It's not necessarily a bad thing.
But a lot of guys
... ...
We got some of that.
I also don't believe in any of the,
the counterintuitive,
you know,
the beta male posing as an alpha male thing.
wait three days.
you should say exactly what you want all the time.
Just proclaim yourself.
That's it.
Don't be coy. that's a woman thing
I'm sorry
but when I first met my wife
I didn't wait at all I'm like
oh I really had a great time yesterday that was it
you know like next morning
just be
obvious
did I hear that a prerequisite for
sexual access is the passing of some kind of
eq tests i thought i could have swore that's what i just heard
the final stage uh and it has killed many a man yeah to surmise it, I guess the last test is,
if you are in a vulnerable position, and I am gone,
what do you do?
So, final boss, Hitchlap, you're almost there,
Hitchslap, you're almost there.
and it's fucking EQ test, bro.
And it's fucking EQ test, bro.
Hitchslap's not fighting for my honor.
Listen, final bosses are always the toughest.
And I absolutely will fight for Zintani's honor.
Wallahi, Wallahi, Talahi.
Hitchslap can't pass the first test.
He's never gotten past the first one. What's the
first test? Too many bitches. Too many bitches, Hitch. I have too many bitches. That's why we're
platonic in this lifetime. In this lifetime, but we were married in a past life, no? In the last one and in the next one, yeah. I think it's obvious. Correct. Just a
little blip in the radar of his time. She's cheating on you in a mid-lifetime. That's fucked up.
I would never. In all of our lifetimes, I've never cheated on Hitchlap.
Zintani sent me a list of things I have to achieve and I have to learn to do all
these acrobatic moves and gymnastics. I have to become a billionaire. I have to write a best-selling
book. So I'm still way off before I can even approach her for a date, but I'll get there
one day. Well, at least you got the gymnastics down. Fact so true. I'm very athletic.
down. Fact check true. I'm very
athletic.
Unfortunately, Hitchslap was
born in this lifetime as
a hot Italian man.
unfortunate for me.
Actually, both of us.
Zintani, you plan on doing
this ritualistic
testing of the men.
Is that, is that something you...
I have done it my whole life.
You strategize it.
Um, no, it's only cognitive and like the final stage.
But then if you pass, then no more tests, then we're good.
And my relationships are very strong.
relationships are very strong. I don't get into relationships. I'm very commitment averse,
I don't get into relationships.
and I do not buy the cultural bullshit that men are commitment averse. Women should be
commitment averse because we're the ones with the wombs. Yes, I'm very particular about men.
very particular about men. I don't want their penises in me for many reasons unless they pass
the tests. I don't want STDs. I don't want any, I would like to stay miles and miles and miles
away from confusion over who a father is, you know. I want to be protected if I am in a sexual relationship, because in the case that,
you know, I don't need to be married before sex, but if I get pregnant, say, and I don't have the
will to get an abortion, you know, is that guy going to provide for me and protect me in the, you know, or is he going to dip?
These things I need to know before I, before I'll even sleep with someone.
That's smart.
That's smart.
I was just kind of curious, though.
Can you kind of like maybe give us an example of what one of these tests is like?
Because you say, when you say, when you say, like because you say when you say when you say when
you say when you say you don't need to tell a story you can generalize maybe give me a hypothetical
if you need to but uh when you say put themselves in a vulnerable position and then leave them i
mean is that like is that like they are laying under the guillotine and like holding up the blade with their bare hands
and then you're you're spotting for them and you're like okay i gotta go is that kind of what
we're discussing here like can you i make sure the guillotine guillotine only looks sharp but
it's actually made of rubber you know but you could say that yeah yeah the final
test the raid boss
yeah it's you know
I can't get too specific
I'm smart
and I can figure out
you know if you are
let's say I lead you
to a vulnerable spot
conversation huh in a conversation right like you know what i mean like
can you just give me a little bit more of the like of the framework you know like that's i need that
like it's it's it's so vague you know like i'm like okay so you are getting him to share very intimate, personal feelings about some subject.
Let's say it's about his childhood or maybe another relationship or something.
It's never that.
No, my tests are way, the final raid bot, you're insulting me.
Okay.
I don't know.
I'm just spitballing here.
You think this wound has something like that?
No. No, it's catered to each person.
I know the person pretty well at this point.
I know their weaknesses. I know their strengths.
And they've made it this far.
So the final test is, let's say I lead you to a very uncomfortable, very vulnerable spot.
And I am not there to comfort
you. What do you do?
Do you invite them over for dinner?
Put some laxatives in the food
and see if they'll use your toilet.
Do you
have consolation prizes
if they don't pass at the final?
No. It's usually
just like if they don't pass and they're that far, then I'm in this endless, like I just keep trying to give the same test and they keep failing and I'm just saying it's just shit.
It's really not a good time.
Because me testing them is not me torturing them, right?
It's me being like, well, you passed everyone.
So it really sucks if you cannot pass
this last one um but does that mean that your grace is a little bit you far a lot more extended
at that point because you've already they've already gone through all of this other you know
they've already passed all these other thresholds and met all this other criteria. Yeah.
My grace period can extend probably longer than it should.
But it's funny,
because from their perspective,
it's not grace. It's just randomly
the whole dynamic became hellish
out of nowhere.
But at least, you know what I mean,
though, at least your grace uh you know your
grace period it's it's given after a lot of trial right so it's not like i think people give away
grace too much um it's a weird dynamic because i see people give grace where they shouldn't
at the beginning of relationships but don't give it when they need to when they're
further into the relationships, which
makes no sense to me.
Because you have
way more invested once
you're into it. I don't know. No, dude, your
mic sounds like crap.
I'm on my
android watching
the Matrix after all of this
weird shit's going on i was gonna say it
sounds like such a man video there's like i even know i even know where it's up to they're on the
freeway and um trinity's just about to get the motorbike and jump off the truck or she's already
on the motorbike right it's slap nose hit slap nose let's go best angle in the whole show
they built like a few dozen miles of freeway so they could film that Slap nose. Let's go! Best angle in the whole show.
They built like a few dozen miles of freeway so they could film that.
And then crashed a bunch of GMs.
Yeah, it's too bad the people who made these movies are so fucking weird.
They really shit on that last one, didn't they?
Correct.
Snack, you came off mic.
Do you want to jump in?
I was just going to make a joke about Dilly's mic and the irony that's all but that it sound like shit for once
yeah pretty much it
well i you know so the new the new update on my phone has oh Oh, it's on full spectrum, so it's probably...
It's on my chat. It's just that...
No, it probably is. Is it better now?
Yeah.
I just put it on voice focus. Is that way better?
Way better.
Yeah.
So they finally made Android
like on iPhone, you have wide
spectrum. You can change the
voice isolation and stuff uh and and
they just did that for samsung so now i can do it when i'm on spaces i forgot that i put on
wide spectrum when i was messing with it so i'm glad it sounds better about the samsung
sorry i got do you think it's where you can change it to white spectrum or voice isolate
yes ma'am oh yeah
i don't think i've ever talked to snack a little more in a space she's followed me for a long time
i have hi no i don't think we have talked on a space i saw you last night and hours though
how much of a shit show was it?
I love shit show spaces when I'm trying to go to bed.
It just depends.
That's how I like to unwind after all these stressful daytime spaces.
Okay.
Well, good to know.
Good to know.
If you do ever get diligent in space late at night,
don't ask him any serious questions.
Make sure he's probably been doing serious spaces all day.
You want to hit him with some chill or drama,
chill questions, drama questions, funny questions.
Snackle more, snackle more.
Nobody.
Snackle more. So, youmore. Nobody. Snacklemore.
So, you know, should you compete for me or should I compete for you?
That's a really good question.
I don't know.
It's a really good question.
Know your worth, Snacklemore.
You should make these fucking bitch-ass men compete for you. Say again? I said know your works knuckle more to make these fucking bitch ass men compete for you I
Said know your worth you should make these bitch ass men compete for you
That means that they
They vie for your attention and then it also means that uh they they put they put work in
they i mean they need to impress you by by showing you that they are good providers
and they're responsible and they are i mean you have like the first the first few indicating
factors of attractiveness right which I would probably
argue is
physical attractiveness and then
ability to provide
those are probably the two first assessments
a woman makes a lot of the times
the first thing a woman looks at after
your face is your shoes
and they judge you based on
your shoe quality
and your calluses
what's that? uh and they judge you based on your shoe quality and your calluses yeah for sure
what's that i said and your calluses on your hands the hands oh calluses yeah i mean that's
a little bit of a uh fortune cookie thing like but yeah no you're not wrong you're not wrong at all
fortune cookie thing can you elaborate on the cows um
i just like uh like because i used to be blue collar and now i'm kind of white collar
so i mean like is that you know i spent the first half of my life building things i don't think
okay i also don't think that like i think there's something to be sad for like getting to a place
in your life where you can also like pay people to do the things you don't want to do anymore.
Yeah, that's not where I'm at, though.
Yeah, I understand.
But, like, okay, the reality is, is, like, we are in a world where women bring in happy and calm most of the time.
I put up all of my own shelves like i build things all like
not not out of you know you have are you are you in a relationship do you pay half the bills
i'm pay all of my own bills and i've been self-employed for like over 20 years so
are you you didn't answer my first question are you in a relationship if you don't mind
um no no that was weird that's not that sounds like it was oh wow that was one of those yes but
i don't want to tell people or it's uh it's complicated you know like uh yes i'm in a relationship but
not committed that's what that sounded like um and wasn't zentani just saying something
a minute ago about uh women and
the commitment thing i don't know i'm like i'm old enough it's okay
just taking advantage until she finds something better that's that's the state thing. I don't know. I'm like, I'm old enough. It's okay. It's good to be not good at all.
She's taken advantage until she finds something
better. That's the stage, PJ.
It's still not true. I think
I'm at an age where
I've raised
other people's children.
I don't know.
It is complicated.
It is complicated, but I'm not married.
Told you.
I'm not doing anything wrong.
You're raising someone else's kids?
No, I already have.
And they're not with me.
I'm just like...
You said you were at an age, but you didn't finish with that statement.
Are you at an age where you're...
What?
Like, it's not like... I don't i just i don't know like you know she's done raising everybody's kids she wants to find a man that's going to do
do you have your own kids back and more i do not have my own kids diligently
and the guy and the guy that you're seeing doesn't want to have kids no of course
that you're seeing doesn't want to have kids and you don't want to have his kids that's not it
either i that's it sounds like that's what it is it sounds like that is it that's not it um
there's just like a lot of like it is the modern thing of dating, you know, when women, like, have their own life at some point, you know, and bring in half the income too.
Like, I have a life.
And so it's hard the older we get.
Like, that's part of it too i think like why i encourage people to like find someone younger is like building a life
together because it is much harder later in life to come by are you are you in your 30s am i in my
30s yeah yeah 100 yeah so i know somebody else who's in her 30s that does spaces, and she just had a kid.
I think she's 37, and I didn't think she was going to, and she didn't think she wasn't sure she was going to.
I know she wanted to really bad.
Like what?
And she had her own.
She wanted to have a kid, yeah, but she was, like, not in a good spot for it.
Nobody ever is.
I don't know.
I think it's, like. I don't know how she ended up pregnant, but she was, like, not in a good spot for it. Nobody ever is. I don't know. I think it's, like.
I don't know how she ended up pregnant, but she did.
She's pregnant right now.
I bet we could guess.
I mean, it's not difficult.
It wasn't me.
What do you mean you bet you could guess?
Oh, you mean in general.
Like, in general, yeah.
And that's kind of, like, the sad part of it all is it's, yeah, it's pretty predictable.
Like, you could get somebody
knocked up pretty easily if you wanted to and vice like you know i mean what does that happen
more often than i can't get people knocked up i i definitely have one kid that means i'm i'm
almost an incel right i don't i don't know i don't know what defines i don't i don't know
those definitions i'm definitions going off of his
laps uh incel verbiage he was sharing last night and i never heard it until today you never heard
the word incel until today no some some space that they were doing last night that had like a incel
Was it Foyd?
was it foyd i think that's what it was femoid or something i don't know
I think that's what it was.
Femmoid?
Or something?
I don't know.
No, Foyd.
Oh, my gosh.
Yes, it's somewhere.
Foyd can be mini-a-thing.
Foyd can be mini-a-thing.
What?
I'd never heard the term used or seen it used, and then they started using it,
and then I found out that they were using an abbreviation of a term that I'd never used
or heard of or seen, and then I'm like, what the fuck is this?
This is a made-up word about a made-up
word.
It's a, it's a, yeah, but is
it an acronym if it's not for a real word?
Anyways, it was, uh,
he's like, it was like,
this is internet subculture,
incel internet subculture,
uh, slang
verbiage. And I was like,
what?
Did you grok it?
No, I had
Hitchlap. I don't need to grok
when Hitchlap's around. He knows all of these
incel slang verbiages.
Hitchlap, what is a foid?
It's a Fimo a void can somebody yeah so yesterday sorry i was just replying to something um snack yesterday in your space at some point in your title is like should femoid vote or foids
should foids vote did you notice that was your face i didn't even
realize that it was smack space what so smack did i i take it you didn't make that title right
or was it you i mean we're in a group chat yeah i mean no no i don't no i don't think i made it no
foids foids that's like who made up that word? Void is a Reddit word, I think.
Yeah,
void is what guys who don't want anything to do with women
call women.
Exactly.
It's not necessarily derogatory,
but it is derogatory.
Go ahead.
Well, I was just going to say
it was the second term that I've heard this year
that I didn't know of before.
The first one was gooning or gooners.
And then, you know, I thought goonies, right?
Like when you're kids, the goondocks.
And then, you know, so I heard gooning and gooners.
That was a new one for me.
And then I realized when people are calling people goons, you know, on the timeline now,
it doesn't mean what it did when i was younger
so i have to be careful and then another thing is um this moid is it femoid the moid room right
foyd foyd it's just void yeah but foyd is short for femoid right
Yeah, but FOID is short for FEMOID, right?
No, FEMOID.
Yes.
FEMOID.
All right, well, it's its own word.
So the real question was, should women be able to vote?
We just put FOID in there to confuse everyone.
Yeah, so there's different versions.
You even heard, I think Sintani just came out.
So I heard it from a Turkish guy about a year ago.
He kept saying FEMOIDs, FEMOIDs. And I thought it just meant like, you I heard it from a Turkish guy about a year ago. He kept saying
femoids, femoids. And I thought it just meant like, you know, just women or whatever. But then
it wasn't until Snacks I saw your title, which said like, you know, should foids be allowed to
vote? Something like that. And then, of course, I just put it together. Femoids, foids, same shit.
And then Diligent was asking about it. He wanted to know the etymology shout out to big brain diligent what is the etymology and meaning of this word so I put
into grok and I didn't even know it was like I don't know 4chan or incel or whatever I just heard
it from this Turkish guy and I thought it just meant like women but for people who don't know
it's a joining of like female and android. Android as in, you know, robot.
And it's to signify that, you know, women are not as sentient as they maybe could be.
Like women are like robots.
They're just like NPCs.
That's the idea behind it.
But I only looked at it.
I only worked that out after I put it into Grok and now posted it into the group chat for Diligent.
So, foids.
Look out for foids, apparently.
And I think that makes a really good explanation.
And then the gooning.
And the gooning, you have the groypers.
I don't think Groypers is the
accurate. That's not what Gooning is.
Zantani explained this very well to us the other
weekend.
Yes, Snackle,
you don't have
a good basis
for these.
I'm so tired.
My brain isn't working.
I'm enjoying tired. My brain isn't working. I'm enjoying listening.
We do have Ashley with our hand up.
Go ahead, Ashley.
Yes, all I wanted to say is I have a daughter that is very intelligent.
And then she's also been tested for being gifted for, like, two different years.
And, like, I don't think she's gifted, you know, or, like, IQ intelligent, like Hitchlap's talking about.
I think she's very smart, right?
I think she's very smart, right?
Very, very, very smart.
But it's very hard to, like, whenever you're, like, in a school, like, it's an elementary school, like, it's a public school.
They don't give you many options to, like, make you better at something, right?
And so it kind of sucks.
And that's kind of like what I wanted to talk about for a second, if that makes any sense. Or if anyone that wants to...
So you're saying you want to switch the topic to the conversation?
Not really. I'm just saying, or I mean, I guess.
No, I support this.
Should women compete for men? I think that men are smarter than women mostly, right?
But my daughter is awesome.
Hold on, hold on.
I had to make sure I heard you right.
Say that again, Sally.
What did you say?
Am I hearing things?
I said, so what you're saying is you're wanting to switch the topic.
No, no, no.
Sorry.
Sally, did you?
I'm sorry.
Sorry.
I apologize.
I'm a bit tired.
Ashley, did you just say you believe men are smarter than women?
Is that what you just said or am I hearing things?
I think so.
Like in the general sense of-
On average per capita?
No, not like in what you would think in the school sense, right?
In what way are men smarter than women, Ashley?
Probably just in general smart than women, but not IQ.
Maybe EQ.
Men have more EQ than women.
Is that what you're saying?
No, I think that they have more EQ.
Men have more EQ.
EQ speaks.
How can they have EQ?
I'm so confused.
I agree.
No, no, no, no, no.
Hey, Hitchflop, you're talking more than what I'm saying.
I'm on your side, Ashley.
I'm talking about my daughter.
Women have IQ.
Men have EQ.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm repeating what you said, Ashley.
You said that men are smarter than women.
I'm just repeating what you said, that's all.
Ashley, what are you saying?
Ashley hates women.
Sorry, sorry.
We hate women too.
You're in the right place.
I don't hate women.
Oh, God, what are you saying?
Why do you hate women, Ashley?
What is your stance? I just said that my daughter my daughter you have a daughter and she's smart
but you said men are smarter than women in what way men smarter than yeah because whenever they
get older because i have to sit there and tell her over and over and it's just like hey we we've
got to do these certain things to like like, get ourselves to a certain level,
to be able to, like, be separate, not separate from, like, men or anything like that, but, like,
you know, if you want to, you know, make a lot of money and stuff like that, that's important.
I mean, I'm not trying to, like...
Right, when you want the man to provide for your daughter, though, because you should teach her
traditional values.
No, I...
Yeah, I do.
I like cooking, cleaning, you know, education's great.
Hey, hey, look at... Hey, look at my profile.
I cook, clean, and make all the food I can.
Ashley, I like you, but I have to disavow your comments.
I want to disavow Ashley's comments that men are smarter than women.
The views of the speakers are not necessarily the views of the –
I didn't say men are smarter than women.
You literally said that verbatim.
Ashley, I'm so confused because...
I disavow this sexism.
Can you give us a sentence, Ashley?
Men have a higher IQ level than women, so why is this not me?
What I've gathered, what you've said and what you mean,
you're reminding me of my last love affair, actually.
You guys have a lot in common.
Let's try to align the things you're saying and the things you think.
Let's try to condense it down.
So you have a daughter.
She is smart.
No sexism against women, please.
I have said this, correct?
Yeah, I said that.
That's all I meant to say, Hitchlap.
Hitchlap, I think that men are smarter
than women overall.
You just said it again.
You belong with
my last love affair.
You guys are perfect for each other.
You guys remind me a lot of each other.
Statistically,
men are smarter than women.
Let me finish. Disavow, disav than women Let me finish
Let me finish
For my daughter
That's very smart
And doing other things
She needs to be higher top
Than just the average woman
She needs to be a top
She's so smart
She needs to be on top
Disavow Bro she's talking about her daughter What are you talking about She needs to be on top. She's so smart. She needs to be on top. Just about, just about, just about.
Bro, she's talking about her daughter.
What are you talking about?
I don't know what she means by on top.
What does she mean?
What do you mean, Ashley, your daughter's on top?
Because she's, like, one of the smartest people in her class and, like, everywhere else.
And, like, we're trying to get her in like the like top
class or like like in like the um private schools which we will like she will get in there
so you wanted to keep being are you are you saying that you're trying to push you're not that smart
kid like into the top class no she said the only thing she said that we know is true
is she has a daughter and she's very smart.
Keep up.
No, but she disavowed that
and then about it and disavowed it and about it.
I'm curious. I'm kind of curious.
Is anyone as critical as I am?
Like, does anybody
look at their own kid and
or look at their own kids and they're like think
wow you're fucking stupid sometimes or or um actually my kid's incredibly intelligent thank
god but i'm like when she was growing up she would do some dumb things sometimes and i'm like okay
this is this is how dumb i was right and i was like okay so there's hope i'm just kind of curious you know
does anybody have their own kids and think wow my kid's fucking stupid uh you know what i mean like
i wonder if there's a bias that's built into us where we never think our kid's stupid or like
maybe never think our kid's ugly i don't know no i don't think that my kids stupid at all my whole point
with especially with hitch slap is that she's been um tested for gifted twice and i don't think
she's no not you not you i was speaking in general terms not i was talking about my own experience
with that yeah that was a i wasn't saying that your kid is stupid that's not what i was saying
i was just saying i could summarize exactly what ash Ashley's trying to say. She's trying to say is,
she's tested it and they say that she's gifted. A lot of times
the word gifted now has been used with their autistic,
their autism, or they're on the spectrum. And so that word, as soon as you say
gifted, your head automatically goes to that. Oh, no, no, she's not gifted.
No, special. Oh, no, no, she's not gifted. No, special.
Special, right?
My kid's not special. She makes hundreds
on hundreds and hundreds and tens
on everything.
Can you let me finish saying what I was saying?
I interrupted you.
It's okay. You interjected it. It was okay.
No, but what I was saying is
she's really smart and she wants to push her
really, really hard, but she doesn't know what to do kind of kind of now from there actually finish your conversation
and leave eq and iq out of it well i was just i don't know why you're trying to make this emotional
out of it because like i joke around because hitchlap hates the eq part of it right
or you're just trying to troll him by using the word eq is that the intent
i mean i only just said that because that was what in that what hitch slap says no my my daughter's
very smart first trolling confirmed trolling confirmed okay that's what i asked you used to
you have a hard time with these yes and no questions like i just specifically asked you
yes or no so you were trolling Yes I guess I was trolling sorry
You're so abusive to other women
Sally I'm just noticing that I don't know
If it's some kind of
Do you feel like that because I kind of feel like I'm not
She's just establishing dominance
She's an alpha female in the wild
She wants
Ashley to know
It's her It's her great
It's her great
Hip to ass ratio
Ashley do you acknowledge
And submit to Sally's
Female authority
Over you
In the hierarchy
I sure do Alright then we got No problems here over you in the hierarchy.
I sure do.
All right.
We got no problems here.
So now, Sally,
you can quit trying to establish the dominance because it's just been
submitted to...
I'm trying to tell people
who's asserting dominance and to quit.
That's the most funny thing
I've heard all night. Thank you. I need a laugh. There's a lot of guys that'll pay you good money for that sally i was kind of just
asking hitch slap it's like how should i like deal with my daughter that isn't a high iq or like a um
you know a genius but is like has been like tested for it multiple times but is like very good at that
how should i um do better for her is what i was actually asking you hitch lab wait what
what are you saying did she test high or not yes like multiple years you just said she's not I'm not asking him, not you You just said he's not
Don't be rude to Zintani
Don't be rude to my host
What is the order here? Is it Sally on top?
Then it's Ashley? Then it's me?
Ashley, have some respect for Zintani, please
Do not say I'm not asking
I'm so sorry
I can't tell who's talking to me
I thought they were being very mean
Zintani is Like 140 plus.
Like she could.
Real quick.
You know, before we move away from it, Sally, when she was,
when Julian brought up the fact that Sally is a dominatrix and that you
could make good money for that.
You know, I think it's,
I had this guy that I grew up with that I hadn't seen in like years.
And he lived in, I went, I went and
visited him in a state and he was like married to this woman for like seven years and he moved
away with her. And I go over to visit them. And while we're there, his, his wife, like,
we're all just chilling, talking, converscing you know catching up and um you know
this guy knocks on the door and his wife it's like this older dude and his wife like uh like
just goes into the goes into the basement with him and it was so weird and i was like what uh
what's going on you know and uh he's like, oh, well, she's a dominatrix.
I didn't know what it was.
I'm so fucking not
hip to
internet subculture.
Anyways, he
tells me, he's like, well, these
guys come over and pay her to
torture them and whip
them and shit. and i'm like what
this is like ongoing just she's done it for years man she makes a lot of money and i was like
and you're okay with this like you're good because i i felt like it was kind of like a
like a form of prostitution you know what i mean but he says that they don't have sex he just
he just doesn't mean shit to them and uh they paid her a lot of money to do it i didn't know
that was a thing so yeah she's still selling orgasms i was just gonna say that even though
they don't have sex the men i would be okay with it i thought i was messed up the men still end up
relieving themselves so to speak yeah my is that considered
competition is that is are you know are they still competing for her in some way i don't i don't quite
know i'm my um one of my friends actually started a company with um female dominatrixes where all
the money would funnel to him so So kind of like, kind of like
Andrew Tate did. So I kind of, kind of understand that realm. But I think I'd be good at it. He
kept telling me to do it. I love spending money. My only qualm is like, I suspect there's serious
mental illness there. I wouldn't feel good taking money from a retard, like telling him you're retarded, give me more money. I don't know how I'd feel about that. Like, at least I want to be able to say thank you, you know, but the financial dominatrix is if you say thank you, that ruins it for them.
You know, you're not supposed to say that can i say can i say one thing though like actually you
you haven't said it's remarkable um how many words how many words you have said nothing with
i would love love for you to say something i i do think that women don't compete with men
they like like the men are better and my husband's better than me and then i
always submit to him and so i just want to like everyone to know that i'm not like retarded or
you know what let's reread the title of this room because i think there's a misunderstanding here
should women compete for men right do women compete against each other? Should we compete men? I mean, I'd say, yeah. You have to be a woman to compete for the man, right?
Should change the title to He-Man Woman Haters Club.
Ashley, I still want to know.
So you asked Hitchlap earlier.
You said, my daughter's not a genius or high IQ or anything.
So how do I help her?
Because her IQ really is high.
Oh, because she really did test high in that stuff,
is what you said.
That's what the teachers told me.
I don't think that she really is that high or anything.
The teachers told you that she's not a genius.
Okay.
Okay.
Is she high is there a good is there a good odds that i passed on my
iq to how does the hereditary uh the heritable traits work yes i can do it i can do it in as
i said to my ex-girlfriend once i can do it in 10 seconds the heritable the heritability of iq is
80 so the amount of variance in your IQ and your child's IQ,
it's going to be 80% similar.
That's the quickest way to explain it.
My husband got skipped two grades when he was younger.
Is it prime?
Does gender, so does the IQ of the father matter as you know, as much as the IQ of the mother?
No, it's just an, it's an aggregate or average of the mother and father.
The heritability is equal.
You have 50% of genes from your mom and your dad.
There's some studies which say otherwise, but they're wrong.
I can tell you why.
So, can there be more markers present in one of the parents over the other one
on average no individually yes so you can find a case maybe where just because of the gene mixing
you got 47 from the mom and 53 from the dad or vice versa but just like tossing a coin you can
get five heads in a row but if you toss it a million times on average you're going to get
half heads half tails so on average it's always half yeah but there are outliers yes there are outliers so it
can be any individual case uh i think the the highest my kid's way smarter than her mom man
she's like way smarter but i guess if it's the average between us and i'm of a higher order
well then my kid's gonna be that much much. Yes, your child's brilliant.
The thing is, hold on, Ashley.
Koho speaks.
Use your mic.
It's not that complicated.
Question.
So Zantani was going somewhere with you on purpose.
I was seeing where she was going.
So the teachers are telling you that she's smart,
and you're saying that she's not as much because you observe her at home.
So what is it that she does?
You were telling me about my kids, Sally.
Not you, Diligent.
No, Diligent.
I'm on the edge of my seat with this, Ashley.
I want to know about the Schrodinger's genius child who is a genius but also not very smart.
Is she smart or not, Ashley?
I think she's intelligent you were you just said
that the teachers told you okay so the teachers we've had two teachers tell us this i don't what
did they say they said she did they say she scored high did she take why don't you believe them guys
i need to know about this child why don't't you believe in them, Ashley? Please.
Ashley, did they say we gave her a standardized IQ test and she scored high?
Did they say that? No, she did not.
She did not score high two times that they, like, tested her, like, in second grade and then, like, in fourth grade last year.
And I don't think she's, like, I don't think she has a high IQ.
I think she is smart.
What was her score?
Okay, so she did not score high.
You earlier, wait, Ashley,
earlier, stay with me, Ashley.
I know we can get there.
Earlier you said that the teachers said she was smart
come on
don't do that
no I can go there
no come on
I want to know the story
I understand my
daughter is not that smart
I don't really give a fuck
I thought she was smart
I thought that was the whole she's smart as shit i thought you said she's the smartest in her class she does
not have a high iq yeah because she's in fucking elementary school and this is this is this is so
listen this is the cia knowing knowing that the best way to troll me, I mean, this is the most convincing troll I've ever fucking heard in my life.
I don't.
And it's the best way to get to me.
CIA, go fuck yourself.
Ashley, how long have they been training you?
Who sent you?
20 years.
CIA or Communist China
It was Epstein
Epstein sent you here
So the CIA
Oh yeah
So the CIA
I'm puzzled
Why does the CIA want me Ashley
Who doesn't Santani
Don't lower yourself like that.
I'm not even talking about that.
I only just came here
because I was just...
Your high-threshold strategies
to manipulate the masses
of men.
Well, Hitchlap, can you answer
Ashley's question?
I don't understand what she's saying.
She very simply asked you
how can i help my high iq child who is actually not high iq at all she's very she's very dumb
but she's also very smart i think she's smart but i also think she's dumb and the teachers say
she's smart but they've never said that. Can you answer that?
I think the problem is...
That's not true.
You're a retard.
Yeah.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Don't be mean to the host.
Always respect the host.
Maybe Ashley can give us an example of what kind of smart things she does.
Hold on.
I think the problem is nobody's given Ashley a fair chance to explain.
Let's give Ashley a fair chance.
Ashley, tell us again about your daughter do you really believe that okay so my daughter
I have like done nothing with her like at all like
whatsoever second grade she got like tested for gifted did get it. I don't think she's gifted. I don't think
she's gifted at all, like high IQ or anything like that. She got that. And then she did it two
years later because her teachers like think that she just has like two different thought processes,
right? So I'm not saying that she's gifted or that she's high IQ or anything. I said,
that she's gifted or that she's high IQ or anything.
I said, I'm asking Hitchflapp,
what do you do with somebody that's not high IQ
with your daughter or like child that can...
Maybe she is if her teachers think she is.
That you can give...
No, it's not.
You have to like pass the test, right?
At that age, it could be a social problem
or maybe, you know, there's other contributing factors.
I'm not asking you diligent.
Whoa, whoa.
What can I get?
Wow.
Wow.
Really going to go diligent like that in public.
Wow.
No, I just, I'm asking, like, what can I give my daughter, like, differently?
You've asked the same question the same way, but you're not.
You can give her brain food.
Let me try.
Do you take her?
Let me see if I've got it, Ashley, okay?
I'm honestly, I'm trying to answer your question.
What I'm getting is they tested your daughter to see if she's gifted,
and according to you, the results showed that your daughter is not gifted. Is that correct? Yes. And I agree with that.
Okay. No problem. So they tested your daughter to see if she's gifted. She did not score in the
gifted range. And you are now asking me, what do I do about my daughter who's not gifted? How can
who's not gifted how can i give her the best possible chance to do well is that your question
I give her the best possible chance to do well? Is that your question?
well they've done it twice like like they've done it multiple times and then no yeah what
how do i help my daughter like to make herself excel more than she could just at school
so that was a yes question because so he asked you a yes or no question and you gave it well but so
yes sir i guess i i don't know dude
just answer the question she just wants to know can i just throw this out there
she just wants to know what can she do to improve her daughter's ability to learn
maybe it would be helpful to know what areas you're worried about
cas hold on because we've got too many chefs and we're spoiling the broth uh yeah yeah no it is it
would be it would be helpful is it like general knowledge, reading, math?
What is it?
What is she struggling with?
She doesn't know diligent what tests they gave her.
Ashley, your question.
Surely she knows what she struggles with though, right?
From her classwork.
I don't think Ashley is across the type of tests they gave her.
So I think that's the issue.
I don't really care what kind of tests they gave her
I'm just asking him because he knows
Apparently like the IQ tests
And stuff so I'm like I've never taken those
Tests and I'm like
I can tell you as a parent
They've given her standardized testing
The same thing they give everybody else
Okay there's national standardized testings
They give these kids once or twice
A year depending on where you live,
but the federal ones, they do at least once a year. They always have, right? Like I, for example,
I scored in the upper 98th percentile. And if you score in the upper 98th percentile in these,
you know, these elementary level standardized tests, they pull you aside and they usually ask your parents
if you want to be, you know, if I was asked if I wanted to go to a school for the gifted,
my mom was, uh, not a great parent, so I didn't go, but I knew and I went to a whole school,
but, um, you, uh, so it usually works like that so i'm kind of curious you know as how
the gifted thing came up because usually it doesn't unless there's there's an anomaly there
so yeah if you get them reaching out twice to say hello your child is not gifted is does not sound
right actually are you are you maybe confusing this?
I literally don't care if she's gifted or not.
It's just like, how do I make her do better than her?
Imagine being a gifted kid and you test out for TIP
and your mom cannot remember if you are gifted or not gifted
and you don't get in the program.
Ashley, did you test gifted at school when you were tested? Were you gifted at school? I didn't, but my husband did.
Gotcha. Well, you know, just for the people listening-
My husband skipped two grades.
He sounds very intelligent. For the people listening who are not following,
Ashley has a child who's probably in the normal range, which is fine. And Ashley's He sounds very intelligent. For the people listening who are not following,
Ashley has a child who's probably in the normal range, which is fine.
And Ashley's child is not gifted.
Ashley's asking me what can Ashley do to give her child the best possible chance.
Ashley, I'll give you three things.
And one, you know, I'll finish off on the last thing you're not going to like,
but it's a fact.
Support your child, encourage them, and give them a lot of love, and that's it.
We don't know any way to permanently raise IQ,
so nothing you do is going to make any difference in the long term.
You can get short-term gains, but they always fade out.
So lots of love, lots of hugs, lots of encouragement,
and then hopefully she will do well. But other than that, there's actually no, we don't know any way to permanently raise IQ.
I wasn't trying to raise IQ.
I'm just asking, like, somebody that said that their IQ is high, and I don't think it is.
That was my question.
Who said their IQ?
Because if the teachers are telling you that the IQ isn't high,
I guess where we're all confused is...
The teachers are saying it is, and then she doesn't test IQ high.
Does that make sense?
Well, okay, so it sounds like the teachers are being nice
and saying that she's smart, right?
Then why the hell would they have her tested Like multiple years in a row
And I'm just like she's not IQ high
I mean like I'm on top with this
It's a standardized test
They give kids every year
It's not like they're trying to see
You know if her IQ is growing
Because that's not how IQ works
They're testing to see
If her general knowledge is pacing
with the rest of her classmates every year.
And it's also how they benchmark schools for how they're doing overall, right,
against the national standard.
So that's why it's occurring over and over every year.
I'm just curious of i'm just
curious though like so so are you are you arguing hold on hold on are you arguing on every single
standardized test she does you just said to test flow ashley
on the iq test they're the same thing, Ashley. Standardized tests and IQ tests correlate 0.8.
No, they're different.
They're different.
But they're highly correlated.
Ashley, they're almost the same thing.
They're highly correlated.
Believe me, I'm telling you the truth.
Standardized tests and IQ tests correlate 0.8.
They're both testing general intelligence.
So if you test long and long, you get 99 percentile on the standard ones.
With respect, Ashley, with respect, you must be confused. It's not possible to get 99 percentile on the standard one. With respect, Ashley, with respect, you must be confused.
It's not possible to get 99th percentile on a standardized test.
Do you want me to show you her test?
Yes, yes, I do.
Yes, please.
Send them to me right now.
Send them to me right now.
Hold on a second.
Please.
I will.
Ashley, Ashley, but I have to ask, though, because you're saying conflicting things.
First, you said that you thought your kid was smart,
but the teachers were telling you that your kid was stupid.
And then you're saying that your kid was stupid, and now the teachers are saying that your kid was smart.
No, I don't think my kid is stupid.
I just don't think she has a high IQ and is not gifted.
That's the same thing.
That's the same thing.
Here, but let me, do you see what I'm saying, Ro?
I don't think I'm stupid, but I'm not like high iq where i'm getting
a gifted test well that's fine so okay so you're saying that your kid's average right is that what
you're saying
he's looking for the test results yeah she might have a so everyone got a gifted test here
and twice in two different years actually i need to ask you a serious question um you know do you So everyone got a gifted test here. And twice.
In two different years.
Ashley, I need to ask you a serious question.
Do you work for the FBI?
And what did they pay you to go after Zintani?
I actually am starting to agree with Zintani on this one.
Yeah, this is a hell of a thing.
I'm a coordinator for real estate professionals.
Are you now or have you ever been an agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation?
My dad is part of the CIA.
Are you now or have you ever been an informant?
Do you receive money to give information to the FBI?
She never answered your last question.
She just deflected it and answered it.
I have.
No, she didn't answer the last question.
She deflected it and said my dad was, but she never said no, I'm not.
No, that's a lie.
I have been an informant for the FBI.
I have.
You know why?
Okay.
Now, have you been hired?
You want to hear?
I have been an informant.
I know.
I believe you.
She actually has told me this story before, Hitchlap.
She's not like pulling that out of her ass.
Yeah.
I'm not lying.
Okay.
If you want to ask me that question, I'll tell you about it.
This is what I want to know.
Why have they sent you after Zintani?
Is it because of her master trolling skills?
Are they trying to control her?
Is it MKUltra level two?
Why are you after Zintani?
Because I see what's going on here, Ashley.
I wasn't asking Zintani.
I was asking you.
I'm just asking you. I'm just asking you.
I'm going to call it out.
You are working for the FBI.
You're an informant, and you're trying to honeypot Zintani
to get her to reveal some information so the FBI can use the information
against her to get Zintani on their team and use her powers
and skills of persuasion.
Is that correct or no?
That's not correct, but I have been interrogated by the FBI and the DOJ.
I mean, you wouldn't tell me if that was true anyway,
because you've been trained to not.
It is true.
It is true that you're after Zintani.
I knew it.
Exposed.
Zintani, you are correct.
Will you go to Kaz?
I know I'm not a host.
No, but that's bullshit that you say that
I mean
You tell them what I've told you
I've actually showed what I've shown
So I'm like yes I have been
Did you send him
Did you send him the tests
Yeah where are these tests
I'm still waiting
I think a lot will be cleared up
If we can just see the tests.
Correct.
The right answer...
No, actually, we started talking about something that, like...
I think that you should send them
your IQ test and your kids' IQ test
for comparative analysis.
Correct.
If she is
testing out in the 98th percentile,
this is a genetic miracle.
Correct.
But that's just for, like, T-caps, not, like, for the, like, the, you know what I mean?
Ashley, I think we should give Kaz a chance to speak.
What do you think, Ashley?
Do you agree?
Hitchlap, what does it mean if I scored in the 98th percentile for most of my elementary school career?
It means you have an IQ of around 130 or 135.
Yeah, when I had Grok analyze it, she said 135 too.
Yeah, 130 is the 98th percentile.
140 is the 99th.
145 and above is 99.9 from memory something like that but um
yeah delger i've known you for ages the first time i talked to you remember i said you never
lose a debate you're very cogent you understand uh good use of linguistics so i've known for
ages you're smart but my memory is shit bro i'm so fucking scatterbrained like what's that about
is it my lack of sleep i think the
women have drained your life force energy i think before all the women you were probably much smarter
and people don't mean all the women bro all the women i haven't been i'm not uh i haven't been
with a lot of women it's the it's the the time before your sobriety that that'll just fry your
memory in my experience i'm i'm in the same boat diligent i i tested out for tip middle school uh i was put in the program and everything but i was
in foster care so i did not it was called promise when i was in school is what it's called but it
had a it had a much more like strict uh strict like scheduling and my mom would have had to have
done a lot more work so she decided not it wasn't worth it yeah i also what i i remember
there's like a whole stadium of everyone got tested and then the special kids went to take
an iq test and then the guidance counselor sit you down. I think that special kids is what makes people sound retarded.
If you said gifted kids,
as opposed to what Sally said earlier,
regardless,
I also feel gifted and I had,
I was on a special bus.
It was a different color.
It's going to let everyone know that.
I also feel,
just sort of confused by that because now i feel like
my brain is just like fucking struggling man i remember that ashley fucked you up didn't she
yeah shit like this man i don't even know like i'm not smart i'm not as smart as you guys i'm
very intelligent i feel in a certain extent my daughter is awesome and like
all i'm saying is like two people told me that they are like oh they're gifted i don't think
she's gifted that's the whole actually what's actually what's three times three the gas
lighting level is no ashley i love it do smart and intelligent mean the same thing
Ashley, I love it.
Do smart and intelligent mean the same thing?
Julie, don't you dare.
We're going to go to Kaz.
Everybody, we're going to go to Kaz.
He's been waiting very, very patiently.
Go ahead, Kaz.
Kaz, go ahead.
Kaz, go ahead.
Kaz, go ahead.
Kaz is dead.
All right.
He may have fallen asleep.
This does happen sometimes
it's okay ashley you know every once in a while someone has a kid and they're a genius but also
not a genius and they get hounded twice a year by the teachers to get told that their child
is not gifted sometimes that these things in life just
happen i tell those teachers if i were you i'd tell them to go fuck themselves yeah fuck you
my child isn't gifted yeah that's my whole point you told them to go fuck themselves
if iq if iq is 80 heritability does that that mean that each descendant is dumber than the last by like 20% on average?
No, because of gene recombination and shuffling during gamete production.
So the answer is no.
Okay, good.
No, my problem is my husband was like skipped two grades whenever he was younger.
And we know it's like you know
right and so then like he thinks that like my daughter's like that too we didn't like try to
do anything but like her teachers told us this twice and i'm like she's not genius or anything
like that she's just smart actually we want to talk to him can you get him on the space i want
to ask very curious he's asleep it's 2 34 in him on the space? I want to ask him some questions. I'm very curious. He's asleep.
It's 2.34 in the morning.
Gotcha.
Well, I wanted to ask him some mathematical questions.
Well, I guarantee you he wouldn't be able to, like, get them like you do.
Ashley, what's four times four?
Let's go.
See?
Who said you're not bright?
That's very good.
That's not, like, that's not. What's seven times nine? I get it. What's seven. See? He said you're not bright. That's very good. That's not like...
That's not...
What's seven times nine?
I get it.
What's seven times nine?
Close.
Almost.
What's four to the second power?
Sorry.
What?
That's nine times eight.
What is four to the second power? nine times eight. What is four for second power?
Nine times eight?
You're like, actually, a selective hearing.
Go ahead, Kaz.
Go ahead, buddy.
Well, I can't hear you guys talking.
First of all, I wanted to say that this space has ruled.
I've had a really good time listening to it.
And this Ashley thing has me puzzled.
I'm not going to lie.
The stuff you guys were talking about earlier,
I like how Zantani was kind of going back to like,
like through like an evolutionary lens and naturalism,
like first principles, like from biology.
I think I find that like when people are looking into, you know,
those types of ideas,
if you kind of just bring yourself back to like, you know, biology,
it's helpful.
So anyways, I like the way that I found that interesting.
And that was what I originally requested that for.
But now I'm extremely interested in, like,
what it is that Ashley thinks her daughter could use help with.
Like, what her weaknesses are that you're –
but I also may be missing something.
Like, it sounds like I missed the part about, like,
why Hitch Slap is qualified to give advice in this.
So maybe that's the whole piece that I'm missing out. It was me that was unqualified in Zantani, not Hitch Slap is qualified to give advice in this. And maybe that's the whole piece that I'm missing out.
It was me that was unqualified in Zantani, not Hitch Slap.
Only Hitch Slap can answer the questions.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I think Hitch Slap, that's what I was wondering,
is like Hitch Slap, like some sort of,
like I don't know why he's so qualified to answer this question.
Bro, listen, I can't believe you haven't heard of me.
I'm a niche, obscure, micro, online e-celebrity. Are you saying you haven't heard of me?
Bro.
Well, no, but
have you done a lot of these tests or something?
You're coming
on to the Hitch Tawny episode
three and asking Hitch
Slap who he is?
I like this space.
I like this space.
Hitch Slap actually travels from space to space
Testing women's IQ to see
Which gene pool he wants to draw from
Yeah this is
Blue Tick Hitch not anybody gets to talk to him
Yeah I mean
You have to be a big booty Latina though
First
Hey Ashley
Kaz I've just given you a follow
I like the cut of your jeep, my friend
You're very, very, very perspicacious
I appreciate that
I don't
People like Ashley, this is like my kryptonite
I think she smokes a lot of weed
Yeah, but how is she answering those
The multiplication
Questions so quickly
Nothing makes sense
Nothing about anything about it hey hold on
hold on she got mine wrong okay anytime that you do a square she was close enough when you compare
how quickly when you compare how quickly she answers those math questions to like
how she forms sentences does not make sense I was also surprised how fast you guys just skipped right over the fact that she said that she had been interrogated by the feds.
I don't know because it's not because we're already because it's already too much bullshit.
We need to clean that bullshit out first.
Not true.
I'm not true because I've like I've sent receipts.
Ashley, did your child test high in the standardized tests or not?
Not in the, um, not in the, in the tea caps or whatever.
I think I have a more legit question that I've formed.
How many drinks
have you had tonight?
Because that might help me to understand a little bit
more.
She's not drinking.
She's not drinking. I always think she's drinking too.
She gets mad. She's not
drinking. That's how she sounds. Ashley,
I want to know this though. Do you smoke a lot
of weed or do dabs or something?
Is that what's going on here? Yes.
I smoke weed. That's what's going on here yes i smoke weed
yeah i know that's what's happening
this is why i think i think that they did the weed thing to fucking remake us all retarded
i really do i'm sorry i no offense ashley but i really do feel like it fucking it does dumb
people down or slow.
They're lethargic.
I think it makes people critical thinkers.
I think it makes people think more critically.
It makes some people think more critically.
No, no.
That's statistically false.
Not only does it make you...
Okay, so T-Caps.
It lowers testosterone in men.
It lowers their fertility.
It also lowers their ambition on both men and women.
And it also fucking, I think, actually does lower your cognitive abilities.
Okay, Ashley, I know you asked Hitchlap, but I want to put it close to this because it's triggering me.
And I'm about to blow the fuck up. I'm keeping very calm
and chill. So TCAPs test for the curriculum knowledge. If they're calling you, I highly
doubt that they are calling you just to say, hello, ma'am, your daughter is not gifted, goodbye.
As you seem to earlier state, I think what's most likely happening
is your daughter has scored high in the tests that are correlated to IQ or something to this extent,
but she's scoring lower in T-caps. This can happen if she has anxiety problems or she has ADHD, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But the answer to how to help your daughter, I think in the first place, maybe stop doing the marijuanas, uh, and, uh, you know, get, get your head on.
I know you're not retarded because you're, you're answering, I know Diligent wasn't impressed, but I was very surprised
at how quickly you're answering those questions. Not that they're super hard or whatever, but
it just doesn't line up. If she has ADHD, you need to get her into a program.
And of course, you're a mother, so it's your decision. But what I can say, just with a general goodwill, many studies
have shown that if it is the case she has ADHD, it is better to medicate children with ADHD.
Life outcomes are way better because if she's scoring low on the curriculum, but she's scoring
high in IQ, that means she has the capability to
score very high in curriculum. She's just not paying attention or she's anxious or something
is not right. So it would make sense for teachers to keep calling you because that is concerning.
No, that's not it at all, though.
She scored high on that T-cap, but did not score high on the...
You said the opposite a second ago.
I did.
I just said she was high 99 percentile on the T-cap.
percentile on the t-cap okay and which one was did she score low on t-cap is just like the regular
Okay, and which one did she score low on?
like elementary school like like nothing matters no they take they take t-cap from second grade to
eighth or into high school right yeah in second grade and fourth grade both of her teachers like
you got to get tested for gifted. And then she failed that.
So she failed all the tests.
She's failing all the tests.
And they're calling you and they're saying, hello, Miss Ashley Ring Ring.
Hello, Miss Shendell.
Your daughter's retarded.
That's what they say. They say, hello, Miss Shendell.
Your daughter is not gifted.
Is that what you're saying?
There's probably a double mute.
No, that's not what I'm saying.
I said that she took the T-cap. She got 99 percentile on that.
But in second grade and fourth grade, she's now in fifth grade.
Both of her second and fifth grade, fourth grade teachers put her in like a test that they would take for gifted.
And she failed that.
Not TCAP.
She is like 99 percentile in TCAP.
She's smart. She's not gifted is what I'm explaining to you guys is what I think. I don't think that she's gifted like you guys. I was only
asking Hitchflapped, what do you do with smart kids that aren't gifted, but are like need some
more things? Do you have anything to say about that what you are saying
is true this time that means that your daughter is so hard working she's dumb but she's really
really hard working so uh apparently you don't need to do anything because that's amazing
because how is a child scoring in the 99th percentile in curriculum um but she's scoring
low in iq because she's in an elementary school like a public what do you have her like in a room
where she's sitting and studying all night she's not allowed to leave like what i fucking i fucking
wish she would but i can't do that because why would she need to if she's scoring in the 99th percentile?
She doesn't.
She doesn't do shit.
Why would she need to?
Maybe she's sandbagging.
Maybe she doesn't want to be special.
Dude, I'm not trying to make her special.
I only wanted to ask Hitchlap.
Like, what would you do?
Okay, I think the moral of this story is Ashley does not have a daughter, and she wants to fuck Hitchlap, like, what would you do? Okay, I think the moral of this story is Ashley
does not have a daughter and she wants
to fuck Hitchlap. Hitchlap,
do you
avow?
My heart belongs to our Lord and Savior
Jesus Christ. Dominus homus spiritus
santus. Amen. Alright, unfortunate
Ashley. I rebuke you, demon.
I rebuke you in the name of Hitchlap.
I rebuke you. Correct. I rebuke you in the name of bitch rap. I rebuke you.
Correct. I'm sorry to all the ladies.
My heart belongs to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Thank you.
I'm more
confused. I actually feel like I might have lost
some IQ points from this
space. And you know what?
I was actually... Go ahead,
children. It was going really good too
because they usually i'm worried about the listeners losing iq but this time i feel like
the speakers were drained well i was going to say the same thing as in tiny but i didn't want
to engage in hubris i was going to say ashley was this a ruse just to like talk to me because
this all sounds made up but it's likely Zintani said that before me.
I think she's a good spurt.
No, it's really not really though.
Like I was just asking you.
Where could your daughter use help?
Like what, what part do you think your daughter could do?
What part did not anybody not understand?
She has asked you 10 times what subjects she needs help with
and you just give out it.
Is it so simple?
Yeah, Zintani wants his fucking
sticker nose in it. And I get it.
You're the host. I understand.
Actually, do not be rude to Zintani.
Seriously, just answer the question.
Do not be rude to Zintani in my presence.
Please respect Zintani. She's a host
and my friend. No being rude to Zintani. You can be rude to
the other people, but not the host
or co-host.
Yeah, I'm just asking
if it's like a social thing. So just answer the question then.
What's your question?
Okay, Ashley,
the difference between
an IQ test
and TCAP is an IQ test for basically potential.
Like how much potential does that person have intelligence wise?
It doesn't move much.
So what you're saying, the premise of what you're saying is my daughter has no potential.
But somehow, somehow she has outperformed all of the other children
in her whole school, 99th percentile somehow, even though she's dumb.
How can I help her?
Well, it sounds like you have a miracle child.
This premise is ridiculous.
Well, that's all I was asking.
Yeah, it sounds ridiculous.'s why maybe you should be
asking how can she help you you know yeah she can't she helps me in a lot of ways that's fine
but it wasn't i wasn't here to ask you the question it was
but he doesn't really care to answer the question i'm done a reason why this is so triggering because
you do realize that zentani her whole entire life was gifted her whole entire life that she was so smart that like this
conversation like i is triggering because you're asking hitch life but yet zentani has lived this
life through her experiences she's 140 plus iq tested right so zentani's trying to answer the
question because she has actual um real life
knowledge um Hitch love Hitch he's 117 IQ he does know that the filth very well but I'm gonna say
I'm gonna go with Zantani who's lived this experience over going with Hitch Lab which is
why it's so triggering in this conversation I agree brilliant person I agree and I support
Sally we should listen to Zant. You know why it's triggering?
It's triggering because the adults that were around
when I tested out in TIP were exactly like Ashley.
And I didn't know what the fuck it meant.
I didn't know.
I was a kid and they're sitting me down there like,
you tested in the block.
I didn't even know what a percentile was.
Like what?
And they were all like Ashley. i pegged that from this i'm not saying
that my kid is because you'll have this inability to not speak when the host the co-host i i don't
even like to mute the room and you're causing me to mute so much that i want to rage quit um
just chill for one second i would as soon as you ask this question because i
know zentani and i know her life story the fact that you're like well she's dumb when they're
saying that she's smart it's triggering because zentani was brilliant and she knew that she was
so that's my point that's all i know i i did not score a one a 99th percentile though, Sally. I did not. But I don't like saying like specific IQ online.
Zintani is around 135 in my opinion without knowing her actual results.
Give or take five points.
Above 98th percentile.
But this is just a public service announcement.
We don't know any way to raise IQ, and IQ correlates with,
and people can look this up, curriculum tests or standardized tests
or tests that try to match state by state, they're basically IQ tests,
but they're not as good.
They're what they call less G-loaded, which means you can teach to them
and you can get people to get better scores.
So they're actually like worse IQ tests. But they
are a type of IQ test and they do have G-loading. So there's a lot of overlap. The correlation is
going to be about 0.7, roughly speaking. So generally speaking, with few exceptions,
people who do well on IQ tests do well on the curriculum test and vice versa. They correlate
very, very well. But we don't know any way to raise IQ. We don't
really know any way to raise school performance that much. But we definitely don't know any way
to raise it permanently. You can get small gains with tutoring and stuff like this, encouragement,
or even sort of punishment, but they always fade out. So the answer to the question, what can I do
to make my child do better at school? Give them hugs, give them encouragement and try to, you know, help them with their homework, that kind of thing.
But it probably won't do anything.
Well, it won't do very much.
Let me put it that way.
So that's the answer.
Books on tape.
Books on tape.
Audible, baby.
But also, Ashley, like the best thing you could do is get your story straight because scoring in the 99th percentile
T-cap and she's you're saying
she comes home she does not
sit and study all day and she's
not scoring high in the
IQ related tests
or the standardized tests
what about the F-cap
Zach don't talk over the house
sorry buddy you can come back
up and request again but Zintani was talking please don't speak over your host don't talk over the host. Sorry, buddy. You can come back up and request again, but Zintani was talking.
Please don't speak over your host.
Don't talk over the host.
It just, the story does not, it is extraordinary.
I don't know how else to explain it to you.
I wasn't trying to explain it to you necessarily or anybody else.
I know Hitch Slap like does that.
This is like my story.
And that just has happened.
I'm not lying about it.
Like, why would I lie about it?
If I was lying, would I not say she was?
What I really want to do is I want to move past this story.
I think we are all in an understanding of where we're at.
We do have Mandy on the stage and she is in another country.
I don't know if she's able to talk but I do know that
she's a nurse so I gotta send you a photo if you're awake because half of my face is swollen
twice the size as my other half of my face uh so but yeah I'm not sending you guys a picture
did a watermelon explode in your face Sally what happened I wish I don't know but it started like
I thought it was a toothache but it's not I just went to the dentist two weeks ago had x-rays done had my teeth cleaned and so then i was like oh my gosh it's in my gum
so like my whole left side from my eyeball down looks like i don't know it's just swollen twice
the size it just got worse throughout the day anyway so you kind of look like the uh the retarded brother from Goonies. Possibly, yeah. I probably would say. Hey, Goonies.
Well, Mandy is at the 99th percentile of affability.
Extremely likable.
Follow Mandy notifications on.
Mandy in the morning, every day in the morning.
She has Mike Max, Jacantino.
She has all the best guests.
I don't know if she can talk to her.
I think she was at a conference.
Mandy, are you there?
Mandy's probably still at the conference. I think she's joined to
listen, so she may not be able to speak. But Sally, definitely drop her a message, and hopefully she
will be able to give you some advice. I hope your face feels better. Oh, she's got her hand up now,
but I still don't think she can speak. Mandy, go ahead.
but I still don't think she can speak.
Mandy, go ahead.
No, not hearing anything.
Mandy, I'm going to drop you down and then we'll try to get you back up.
We got Jammo on the stage.
Shout out Jammo.
Jammo, I don't know if you've been listening,
but what have you made of this conversation in the last –
well, let's try to go to Mandy and then we'll check in with jamo um good morning good morning go ahead good morning i think it's actually night time there
for you guys right now um sally i sent you a message so it is in there and i will keep you
in my thoughts and prayers everyone if you have not been to europe please do go immediately make sure you stay in
the america pesto because there's like some parts that you it's kind of sketchy the food is amazing
i have probably gained 15 pounds but it's fine because i've lost 20 from walking you walk
everywhere the portions are super small but everything tastes so good the chocolate is
freaking amazing oh my god i said i'm gonna leave all my luggage behind and i'm just gonna fill it
full of chocolate and i'm coming home with so much chocolate oh my gosh 10 out of 10 highly
recommend everything tastes so good the drinks taste better the water's amazing they have mineral
water and it's all in glass bottles.
But you like pour it into another glass.
So like they look at you like you're an uncultured swan.
If you take it and you just drink it out of the glass bottle.
No, no, no.
You can't do that.
You have to.
And you can't fill the glass, your glass all the way up.
You have to do like halfway and just like sip on it like super slowly.
And people are like walking around the streets i
swear to god with like little saucer cups just drinking straight espresso they're just like
walking around and they're smoking everyone smokes i'm like oh my god this is it's like
america in the 90s so yes 10 on 10 highly recommend it's. I'm having so much fun. And I love you guys.
And Sally, I sent you a message.
And I will have everyone look at that for you.
Thank you, Manny.
As I said, Manny in the morning, follow Manny in the notifications on.
Manny, one thing, if I can.
I mean, don't talk to yourself if you shouldn't be.
But what part of Europe are you in
at the moment?
I am in Budapest, and it's
so much fun. Oh my gosh.
I'm having the best time.
There's a very funny movie.
Oh, go ahead.
Are you
traveling with a friend, Mandy?
I am traveling with a bunch of people.
It's a conference.
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, so after my little girl goes off to college,
I want to do medical mission trips full time,
and I'm learning so much here
it's amazing um in in life it doesn't matter how much stuff you accumulate or what you
how big your house is or what kind of car you drive it really does matter what you leave behind
and the legacy so when my little girl gets into college and
settled, I really want to do medical mission trips full time and try to leave the world a little
brighter, a little better than what it was before I came into it. And this is definitely teaching me a lot on how to do that.
Sounds like a Miss America answer or something, like a beauty pageant answer.
That's Mandy all the time.
Yeah, so I did go to the beauty pageant, but unfortunately you had to be pretty to win.
Because that was back in like the 90s.
Darn it.
If I would have just waited like 10 more years, I would have just won anyways.
I could probably go join right now and I would just win.
They would just be like, they wouldn't even ask me questions, especially after the one from North Carolina that was trying to explain the maps.
If you guys haven't seen it, you should watch it.
But yeah, no, I feel like I could probably just go now and say I identify as a woman,
being a woman inside a woman's body or something.
I could probably really just go with it and then just give me the crown.
I could just show up.
show up yes yes the maps thing for anyone hasn't seen it they ask they ask a beauty pageant um
Show up, yes.
Yes.
it's something like 70 of the world 70 of the world can't identify america on a map
why do you think this is or something like that that. And she says, in this really dissy voice, well, I think the reason that these countries can't identify America on a map is because I think some people don't have maps and things like that and such. And America should do more to give these countries maps so they can learn more
about America. Thank you. That was like the whole answer. It's a classic, classic moment.
But man, you stick around on stage as long as you can. We're happy to have you jump in anytime.
And yeah, it's been a fun conversation.
Unfortunately, we lost the young lady, Ashley, whose daughter was both gifted and not gifted.
As Zintani says, Schrodinger's IQ.
No, I actually, I'm so fucked up over that.
You know, it actually, it does make sense because she, I know Diligent wasn't, but how quickly she answered four times four because
generally speaking i don't think this is a good maybe hitch slap am i wrong here but i don't think
that's a good measure of like iq but it does test like hey do you remember your multiplication tables
it's really and this is no by the way just to be clear this is no reflection on ashley i'm
just now making a broad generalized statement um diligent you saw what i was doing immediately
squared times tables are the easiest to answer so this is like bottom of the barrel iq testing
you then will make it harder and then you start to ask you know non-squared numbers and things
like that the best test of of IQ is actually something called
WordSum, where you just ask people to define words. What does procrastination mean? Most people in the
room could probably say that. What does apoplectic mean? Now you're getting to people like Julie,
Indiligent, they will know, and Jamo, a few others. And then you say, what does Doyen mean?
I would say probably half the people in this room do not know what doyen means when immediately asked.
So you just make the words harder and harder.
And the higher IQ people, they know almost all the words.
Like I'm guaranteed if we get David Nietzsche in here, I won't be able to catch him out on a single one of the big words that I use all the time that I've got memorized because I like big words.
So vocabulary is actually one of the best single tests for intelligence.
Not as much timetables, not as much, especially not square roots.
No, but what I'm saying is like if she –
As soon as I deviated from the square model, though, it was done.
What I'm saying is if she had a child that scores very high, I don't believe 99, but maybe 90 something.
Maybe she misheard that or mistook that.
But if she had a child who scores very high in TCAP and low in the standardized tests.
I think she gets extremely fucking baked
and then comes into spaces.
No, but you could have, like,
what I'm saying is it's possible
that you could have someone who has really good memory
because I believe IQ tests for memory.
I've taken it three times.
It's normally, yes they're good
the three main components of like this is uh yeah go ahead but maybe the the rest of the test brought
down her kid's score and maybe she has like the same genetics she just has good memory but
i think she's probably i'm not being mean but everyone heard it's recorded i think she's probably, I'm not being mean, but everyone heard it's recorded.
I think she just got a little bit confused.
I wouldn't think too much.
I wouldn't read too much into it.
But I do want to agree with one thing Zintani said.
Reaction times is a good measure of IQ.
It's not the best measure, but it's a good measure.
And how fast someone can react is a product of their intelligence.
And I did also notice this as well.
Yeah, it was surprising.
She responded very, very fast, faster than most people, which is indicative of a higher IQ.
So I noticed that too, Zintana, you're correct.
I think we need another FBI interrogation to find out what the hell she meant.
Yeah, I had sort of like the opposite thing in school where I scored super high in the standardized tests.
But then I was my grades were sort of like B plus to A and it didn't really line up.
Like the reason there was intervention is because it was obvious I was I was lazy or I was I was capable of.
They come to you like, don't you feel bad that you didn't do well in this class?
And you're thinking, no, what?
I don't care what that number on or that letter on that paper means.
Well, I'm glad they did that because in high school, I think I had, yeah, I'm pretty sure I had straight A's.
So I'm glad they said something.
But what I ended up doing, which was, I don't know if this is stupid or smart,
or it's like an asshole thing to do.
I would look at the curriculum at the beginning of the class
and see the percentages of each so that I'd know what I'd have to do
or what I didn't have to do.
Like if, okay, so if I get a, if I know I'll get a 90% on this test,
how many of these projects can I just not do?
And sometimes I would miscalculate that and I'd get like a B plus instead.
So without the intervention, that was nice.
Nice to have.
It's interesting to think about though, like different types of brains,
like maybe you could have a child who scores high in TCAP or low in IQ, or you have a kid
who scores high in IQ, low in TCAP. This is interesting.
It's normally TCAP unless G loaded, which means you can train for them. So normally
you can get kids scoring higher on a TC-cap and lower on an IQ test.
That makes perfect sense.
You very, very rarely would get the other way.
If you give them a proper, what they call a waste, a proper G-loaded waste IQ test and they score very high, it would be extremely surprising if they scored lower on the T-cap test, assuming that they'd had the same education as everyone else.
But it can happen with ADHD because what I was doing in school, this was ADHD.
Like the homework was boring, so I didn't want to do it.
This is like an ADHD brain.
It constantly needs dopamine.
It constantly needs to be stimulated or it just doesn't do the work.
True. Different things do the work. True.
Different things do affect IQ.
This is true.
Autistic savants in particular, they're like a special case.
But yes, there are multiple things affecting it for sure.
I really like the autistic savants because when you look at the neurology
of autism, the interesting thing about that is like generally speaking, if you're looking at mental irregularities in high IQ, most of them are neurodegenerative.
So if you have like a savant who's like an ADHD savant, like the way that their brain, because the ADHD, like, okay, how do I, how do I say this
from start? So like having ADHD does not mean you're a genius. Um, there's so many people with
ADHD that are like retarded, but there are some brains where the ADHD can actually make them, um,
um, more intelligent. Not that the ADHD is making them more intelligent,
but just their brain in its more intelligent way
would not be that intelligent unless they had ADHD.
If that makes sense.
I'm confirming it's that simple.
But, so like generally speaking,
if you're looking at like savants that have some disorder, most of them are neurodegenerative.
Like these are kids that were really, really good at something in their youth and then they sort of burn out and they get dumb and they become nothing later in life. But then you look at like
autistic savants, they can maintain that intelligence without any, any neurodegeneration.
And the ideas behind why, why that's the case are interesting too, because the idea or one of the ideas is that they're using their limbic system to,
to, to like, what is the word? Fuck.
They're allocating the energy that would go towards their limbic system to their prefrontal.
would go towards their limbic system to their prefrontal.
So they're not overusing or overstimulating their brain until it burns out.
They're just allocating energy into one specific focus,
which allows for that intelligence to be maintained over a long period of time.
Generally speaking, a hyper-intelligent brain is not a
healthy brain. I know that Hitchslap disagrees with this, but it does not make sense for a brain to be
super, super, super intelligent. Something has to be there in order for them to be super intelligent.
I would just do the framing of a car. Like each little change on a car
will make it a little bit faster. And it's a combination of many, many changes in the brain.
It's total brain volume, white track, matter integrity, and the PFIT model, which is the
systems working together in unison. So that's how I would describe it in terms of neurology,
That's how I would describe it in terms of neurology, at least.
It's not, but on a, God, and I always forget the fucking word that Sefi used here because it's the only argument you and I really have, Hitch, because I know you're looking at statistics.
But I would stand heavily against the idea that, like, I agree that high IQ, there's probably a strong positive correlation between, like, emotional stability and high IQ.
To the contrary of the belief that high IQ people are depressed.
And so low IQ people will hear that and say,
I'm depressed, I must be a genius.
No, you're not, dumbass.
But I would also say like,
it's not that if we're using the euphemism of,
or the analogy of like a bicycle that goes fast,
I would say the faster the bike goes, the more wobbly it is.
Like the more things, the, like your brain is not, it doesn't, it has a finite space.
It only has so much space.
It only has so much space.
Neurologists used to think exactly that.
When they, before they did, what do they call them?
fMRIs and there's another one which escaped me.
Anyway, they thought that, you know, higher IQ people, their brains are going to work harder.
What they found is actually the opposite.
Higher IQ brains work less.
They're more efficient.
They consume less glucose metabolites. So as it turns out, higher IQ people less they're more efficient they consume less glucose metabolites
so as it turns out high q people's brains are more see this is where i would that's the case
for autistic brains no it's the case for or like oh well i would need to see this sample
no problem you can you can i'll just say one, and you can even put this in a graph or chat,
you can see it.
You just type in correlation with glucose, metabolites, and IQ,
and you find a negative correlation.
Higher IQ people's brains are working slower while they're solving more
complicated problems.
They're consuming less glucose, less energy, less activity.
They're more efficient.
Richard Heyer has the brain efficiency hypothesis,
which anyone can look up,
and it's been replicated at least six times.
Wait, for that to be the case,
you'd need like a specialized,
so like I don't know how to,
the reason I'm stuttering here is I'm trying to figure out
how do I give like a neuroscience crash course without seeming like a jackass?
So a brain is plastic in its youth.
The term neuroplasticity for everyone in here.
Basically, your brain forms pathways in your youth, and they get stronger and stronger and stronger.
So what you're talking about, Hitch, is brains that have formed really, really strong pathways to solve problems.
Whereas someone that doesn't have those pathways to solve problems will have to go over here and then over there.
And how do I solve this problem?
Because they... i wanted to
touch the tiny um no brain efficiency hypothesis people can look it up and decide for themselves
that's all i say brain i'm not disagreeing with what you've said i mean i'm i'm saying
that's what you're talking about and you'll see that in autistic brains. That's precisely what I'm talking about.
They have really good pathways in their brain.
But what I'm saying is there's other types of brains that are high IQ that would really bring the... What about left-handers?
It would fuck with this...
Left-handers?
I have no idea, David.
Well, the reason why that I ask is because...
Don't say the left brain, right brain thing.
You're going to piss me off.
Okay.
What?
Okay.
The reason why is because this is what I've heard at the end of this.
David, your internet...
David, you're a robot.
I'm going to drop you down, David, and bring you straight back.
We're having some connection issues.
The space is glitching a little bit.
Can we let Mandy go?
Because I think she's at a conference.
And then, of course, we can switch back.
If that's okay, we see you soon.
Mandy, do you want to jump in?
Yeah, I was going to say, speaking of low IQ, you guys, down in the yeah i was gonna say speaking of low iq you guys down in the
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But, however, Hitchlap just pushed me past the goal, and I'm at 169.
That is the funniest fucking thing.
Let's go.
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Appreciate it.
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David, do you have a connection issue?
Please go ahead, my friend.
And then, of course, Zintani jump in.
Do I still have a connection issue?
I think we got you now, I hope.
Okay.
So my understanding was that left-handedness
was created as a conversation in the womb because something wasn't quite right with the normally dominant side of the brain.
Is that true?
I mean, because there's an uncanny corollary between the top people in their respective fields.
For instance, if you ask people who the greatest composer is of all time, they generally pick Beethoven or Mozart.
Both of them are left-handed.
Greatest field commanders, they'll pick between Caesar and Alexander the Great and Napoleon.
They're all left-handed.
You can just go down the line. Greatest artist is generally Michelangelo or Da Vinci, and they're left-handed.
Greatest literary person is left-handed.
And then we just go all the way down.
So what is going on?
Is there something wrong with the stars tonight?
Is it just me or is it audio bad?
It was working for about a minute, and then it dropped out.
So you can't hear me anymore?
No, we got you now.
It's going in and out, though.
So, yeah, go ahead.
Okay, well, so I'm just wondering what it is
if there's something to what she's saying,
what Zintani is saying.
Maybe there is something that happens
in compensation that makes left-handers.
I will say there's nothing in the literature
that I've ever seen, and I'm pretty sure I would have
heard about it, that correlates to left-handedness
and IQ. It's not
well-known, it's not well-researched,
it doesn't jump out, so I'd need to
look into it in terms of, is there
any correlation between left-handedness and IQ?
But Zintani, do you have anything on the left-hand question?
Sometimes called the LQ.
I have nothing on the... You need to wait your turn, young man. Young man, wait your turn. Go ahead, Zintani, do you have anything on the left-hand question? Sometimes called the LQ. I have nothing on the...
You don't have to wait your turn, young man. Young man, wait your turn. Go ahead, Zintani.
I have nothing on the left-hand thing, but I will say I do have a bias in regards to this
conversation. And my bias is that I was specifically in school, specifically studying neurodegenerative brains that are extremely intelligent.
So there's probably some bias overlap that I probably need to address in my understanding,
because most of my focus in my life, and that isn't it isn't to say that like
it's the same thing you have schizophrenia it doesn't mean you're a genius um but some geniuses
do have schizophrenia so and schizophrenia was was my my my focus so i do want to acknowledge
that bias uh hitch slap might be more right than me on this than I think.
Let's go.
Is this recorded?
I'm going to clip that and put it into a little video.
I need to look into it because my basis of understanding of this is looking at specific brains that have neurodegeneration.
is looking at like specific brains that have neurodegeneration.
But yes, I am under the impression that a healthy brain is not super, super, super smart.
But I probably have that.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying is I probably have that framework
because looking at super, super,
I've been studying brains with a specific focus on super, super smart people that have super, super big problems too.
Yeah, I look at averages basically.
So on any individual case, I make no claims at all.
But on average, higher IQ people have more efficient brains.
They use less glucose.
And there is a strong correlation.
It's been replicated multiple times.
I don't know exact correlation, but there is a positive correlation,
which is reasonable.
Also, mental illness is negatively correlated with IQ.
Higher IQ people have less depression, less bipolar, less anxiety,
all that stuff.
So, yeah, this is also well established.
That's where I think I'm probably more right than you are
because that does not track for me completely.
Well, you know, this data comes from the UK Biobank.
It's been replicated.
It's pretty robust.
All the data that shows…
How many people?
264,000 are sampled for the UK Biobank study.
And 140 plus IQ?
No, they look at the correlation.
So as your IQ goes up, do they notice more or less mental illness?
And they notice that as people's IQ go up, their mental illness goes down.
Bipolar and...
Guys, let's hear it.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Wait for a gap.
Why do people find it so hard? Wait for a gap. Why do people find it so hard?
Wait for a gap.
And when there's a gap, there's a jump.
So you're going to have to go after me, Mr. Burbach.
Yes, Mr. Man, don't talk over the host or co-host.
People can look it up if they want.
You know, it's been replicated.
There's a negative correlation with mental illness and IQ.
Higher IQ people have less anxiety, less depression, less bipolar,
and their brains are more efficient. Richard Hyer has done a lot of work on this.
There's another guy, CrimeU. Is this including schizophrenia?
Schizophrenia is the most obvious one. That shows the biggest deleterious effect. So
if you forget about all the others and we just look at schizophrenia, there is a massive effect
size. People with
schizophrenia, most of them are well below 90 IQ. Most of them are in a very low range. But as you
said, occasionally you can get high IQ people that do get schizophrenia. But when you look at
everybody with schizophrenia and you take their IQ and you do a correlation, you find there's a
negative correlation. So people who have schizophrenia are more likely to have lower IQs.
IQ is depressive.
It lowers.
Schizophrenia lowers IQ.
This is well established.
I don't know many people that would dispute it,
who've looked at the literature to my knowledge.
So more schizophrenia.
But does it make them better at multitasking?
I don't know anything about multitasking,
but I know the more schizophrenia means i know the you need to be
careful about this you're saying schizophrenia itself lowers iq now what i'm saying is i make
i'm just saying descriptively i'm not saying anything about the causes what i'm saying is
when we if we take a large bunch of people with schizophrenia and we look at their iqs they're
going to be way way way below
average and then you can do certain controls in the studies mathematically statistically and you
can try to find causation so i'm not saying anything about causation i'm simply saying
where you find people with schizophrenia those people have substantially lower iqs
than you would expect otherwise same as autism you% of them are considered mentally retarded, I think, right?
Yeah, so IQ is negatively correlated.
It's like people with schizophrenia are more likely to have lower IQs,
and there's a high probability that schizophrenia lowers IQ causally.
These statistics you're referencing, is this a study or is it a meta-analysis?
It's well established.
You can put into chat GPT right now and it will tell you that schizophrenia is associated with lower IQs.
And then you could probably look up the study.
You could say the same thing about autism.
That's not what I'm asking.
What are you referencing?
Are you referencing a meta-analysis?
Where are you getting these statistics?
Well, I can pull up the studies,
but I've seen them in multiple locations,
and it's in the IQ literature.
There's, for example, Richard Heyer.
Easily, people look this up,
he's probably one of the most established
and credentialed IQ researchers.
He did the first PET scans in 1965.
He's got a course, a nine-hour
course called The Great Courses. And he covers, you know, schizophrenia is one of the things he
covers. And he's got a book called The Neuroscience of Intelligence. It's in that book. It's in The
Great Course. And I'd have to look up the exact studies. But does he also include autism in these
disorders? I'm making no claims about autism because I would have to double check that,
but I'm simply talking about schizophrenia.
I'm not talking about autism.
Schizophrenia is absolutely associated with lower IQs.
This is a well-known established fact to my knowledge.
Shouldn't autism be as well?
Well, there's a lot of –
70% of them.
Well, hold on.
Again, you know, we can include other things as well, right? ADHD, ADD, autism,
they're all things that can be examined independently or separately. I'm only making
one claim. Schizophrenia will give you lower IQ as probably causal, and it's definitely true
descriptively. Where you find schizophrenia, you find lower IQs, especially in large cohorts. This
is well known. I'm making no claims about
ADD. It's the same with autism. Okay. Well, I mean, a lot of things will lower your IQ,
but we shouldn't put them all together, is what I'm saying. I'm only claiming schizophrenia
lowers your IQ. That's my only claim here. ADHD and ADD and autism, they're harder to diagnose,
so you get more noise in the signal. Schizophrenia is, I would argue, one of the easier ones relative to the other ones to diagnose.
But in any case, where you get a schizophrenia diagnosis, you will get lower average IQs.
This is not really...
Over time, over time, it's neurodegenerative.
So their IQ baseline over time will go down.
It's my understanding that it's also true in polygenic scores,
where you find polygenic scores for, and this is before the baby's born, obviously,
you can take a polygenic score from a fertilized embryo, where you get high risk for schizophrenia,
you get high risk for lower IQ, not high risk, but you will get lower IQ scores where you find
high risk for schizophrenia in polygenic scores that are withdrawn from GWAS, Genome-Wide Association Studies. So it's, I don't think,
I mean, yeah. It should be the same for autism if 70%, but I don't, I think the verbiage you're
using is important because you're saying schizophrenia causes low IQ. I don't think
that's true. No, I'm saying two things. First, where you find
schizophrenia, where you get a schizophrenia diagnosis, if you do an average calculation,
we all understand averages, I hope, to people and listeners, where you get a lot of people
diagnosed with schizophrenia, on average, those people have substantially lower IQs.
That is a descriptive fact. It's empirically true. You can observe it.
Whether schizophrenia is causing IQ, I believe there is strong evidence to suggest that, but I
don't, you know, for the purpose of this discussion, I am agnostic. I have no opinion if schizophrenia
is causing it. I'm simply saying where you get a schizophrenia diagnosis, on average, you will get
get a substantially depressed IQ score.
a substantially depressed IQ score. This is an empirical observational fact.
This is an empirical observational fact.
The issue I have with, like, because this is, like,
is a super, super complex topic,
you're looking at the 99th percentile of people,
so, like, the best of the best of the best, one in how many. How many people is that for your 99th percentile of people so like the best of the best of the best one and how many how many people
is that if you're 99th percentile 99th percentile is uh 140 iq i believe and then 99.9 is 160 and
above are you many percentage or numbers what do you what you mean? Like you have one person with a 140 plus IQ out of how many people?
That's what I mean.
Well, I mean, it depends on the people in your sample.
So it's a percentage ratio.
So if you're at the 99th percentile, I believe, going off my memory,
you have a 140 IQ if you're in the 99th percentile.
So you're in the top 1%.
So it would depend on how many people in your cohort obviously what i'm saying is that the frequency that things like autism schizophrenia adhd bipolar show up
within this this uh this group of people should be looked at separately or in a different i don't
know anything about statistics hitch
so i don't but what i'm saying is like to make statements such as schizophrenia causes low iq
just because a percentage of people with schizophrenia have low iq doesn't make sense
because comparing elon musk um or all of the other autistic billionaires, fucking brainiacs, to some random autistic child does not make sense.
People at the 99th percentile rarely have schizophrenia.
This is a rare occurrence at people in the 99 and 99.5th percentile.
It's extremely rare.
I want to see the studies that you're talking about.
Well, we should, yeah, we should probably look into them. Maybe we can reconvene in another
space because I'm not going to probably pull them up right now. Why? Well, I'm about to make some
food. So I was about, I'm just waiting for a gap so that I can like forward. Yeah.
Say again.
And potatoes?
Steak and potatoes?
I have some salmon.
I got some fresh salmon from the, in Australia we call them fishmongers, whatever.
So I got some fresh salmon.
And you got me on the roast potatoes.
Yes.
I'm having oven baked salmon with some roast potatoes you got me.
So I'm definitely not going to be pulling up any studies right now.
However, we've got a lot of people in here.
If anyone wants to look it up, schizophrenia IQ, what is it?
I don't want you to make statements, though.
You're talking about my favorite brains. I will say, though, Hitch, that if you told Schizophrenic Hitch
that they had, on average, a lower IQ, they'd wonder just who in the hell you thought you were talking to.
100% accurate.
Listen, people can do their own research.
I'm making one simple claim.
Empirically, people with schizophrenia on average will have substantially and significantly lower IQs than the average population.
That's my claim.
People can fact check it.
Yeah, it's up to people so
yeah take it whatever direction you want all good i'm gonna make some salmon i'm gonna make some
salmon and i'll continue to listen what i'm saying is that if they show up at all that's
just real quick just i'm gonna let you finish i'm just giving an announcement to your people
if you um well zintani is giving us very good information if you come off a bike i will
just remove you from the speaker because it's too much work to keep trying to mute you you can
request but just note that there are several people requesting i'm gonna put you to the very
bottom of the line as i bring you up okay continue zentani what i'm saying is that and i don't know
anything about statistics but it doesn't make sense to say like what i'm saying is that, and I don't know anything about statistics, but it doesn't make sense to say, like, what I'm saying is if you see any neurodegenerative disorder or odd oddities showing up in that upper percentile,
To say like a statement such as people with autism are not high IQ or people with schizophrenia are not high IQ or to or I can't I'm too sleepy for this.
I don't have enough energy to because I know I'm I'm straw manning you, but I'm not meaning to straw man you.
you but i'm not meaning to straw man you i'm trying very hard not to straw man you if you
I'm trying very hard not to straw man you.
say the sentence that you said it doesn't something about that doesn't sound right to me
because the fact of the matter is you look at 140 plus iq and and you do see autism and you do see
adhd and you do see bipolar and if they're there at all, it's such a small, it is the highest of the high sample group.
So what I'm saying is like statistics-wise.
Okay, so I leave that.
Shut up, Kevin.
There's got to be some, you're the statistics guy, right?
There has to be some metric that's not the same as like,
like if they're there at all, it should be noticed.
I don't think the thing we
should draw from it is that the higher iq you have the less probability of okay well let's let's do
it this way this is how you normally do it is schizophrenia positively or negatively correlated
with iq exactly that's what i'm saying is like that doesn't track as like a valid measure. Unless I'm totally wrong. It doesn't make sense to me to track that because we're talking about a specialized group of people that are in the top of the top. So if it shows up at all, there has to be some other metrics that we're using to measure these things besides positive and negative
correlation because it's too complex at this point to just say positively correlated or negatively
correlated this is just my opinion again people can uh i'm happy to be corrected you don't need
to look at people in the 99th percentile you can look at people at 85 iq at 100 at 115 and you can
look at those people and you can find out.
When we see schizophrenia, are we seeing schizophrenia more
as the IQ goes up or are we seeing it less as the IQ goes up?
And what we see is more schizophrenia at 85, a little bit less than 100,
a little bit less than 115, and not very much at the 99th percentile.
So that's why we say there's a negative correlation
between schizophrenia and IQ.
Schizophrenia is associated with a lower IQ.
So schizophrenia is generally negatively correlated with IQ,
though the relationship is complex.
This is the starting answer from Grok.
So, yeah.
I just feel that this is systematically, if it's the case that that's like
what everyone's on board with, I think it just shows how stupid we are as a species. Because
why do we use statistics? Why do we use terms like positively correlated, negatively correlated?
Unless I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure it's there so that we can start making assumptions and start forming hypotheses and, yeah, make an assumption.
This is positively correlated with this.
So then what is the assumption that people will make off of that?
If you say schizophrenia is negatively correlated with high IQ, I think people will draw the wrong assumption. And that's what I'm saying is like,
we're talking about something that's too, this is too complex, because how do I,
I'm not a statistics, I'm not a man, and I'm not a statistics man either. Okay, I hate numbers. I
hate this whole conversation. But i'm talking about like the
the overall like why are we saying these what are we saying when we're saying these words it doesn't
seem to add up because if you say like you use autism in place you say autism is correlated with
a low iq positively correlated with a low i Right, but it's true that 70% of people that are autistic
test out mentally retarded.
Do they not?
I don't know.
I'm making no claims about autism.
I do know that schizophrenia is where I know.
It's there.
It's in the literature.
It's obvious.
And just you asked me about a meta.
I'm pointing out biases.
A 2010, you asked me about a meta... I'm pointing out biases. A 2010...
You asked me about meta-analysis.
A 2010 meta-analysis from Woodbury et al.
found the correlation to be 0.5, which is substantial.
0.5 correlation explains 25% of the variance.
That is a substantial correlation.
It's what we'd consider...
There's low, medium, high.
It's what we'd consider medium or moderate.
So, yes. I don't know.
Again, I'm making no claims about autism, ADHD, any of that.
But schizophrenia is definitely negatively correlated with IQ.
It's so well established.
Right.
And that's what I'm saying is like if I say that sentence,
autism is positively correlated with low IQ,
probably everyone in the room is going to feel like something's off
with that sentence.
That's precisely what I'm saying.
It's like that doesn't, that's not the full story.
I don't think they would think that.
If I heard that, to me, it wouldn't make perfect sense.
You what?
No, we wouldn't.
To me, that's like, you you know is height positively correlated with weight yes
why because tall people have more mass uh is is schizophrenia negatively correlated with IQ yes
why because uh people with schizophrenia have you know uh you can even see in an MRI they have
problems with their brain it's degenerative some of us with the tissue some of it with the neurons
there's a lot of problems.
So it makes sense. They also have more dopaminergic activity and you learn through dopamine.
They have less GABA.
Well, this is also the problem.
It's like when we're talking about schizophrenia, what are we talking about here?
Like what kind of brain are we talking about specifically?
If you're talking about the brain that has less GABA,
those brains have more dopamine.
They do score very high, I'm pretty sure, in tests.
I need to make my salmon, so I'm going to continue to listen.
But you are making some interesting points.
I don't know about ADD or ADHD.
I just know about schizophrenia.
And I'm going to listen in while I make my salmon.
My overall point, and I don't know listen in while I make my sermon I just my overall point and I don't
know how well I illustrated it because I what I'm trying to say I don't think with words generally
I don't know if people in here think with words I don't think with words usually I think something
and then I have to find the fucking words for them um but the overall of what i'm saying is like i think it's important
in any science or any field where you're analyzing statistics especially you need to have some sort
of philosophy paired with um the science otherwise you have like no guiding metric it's just numbers
it's like and then well no that's hold on hold on that that's what that's what statistics is god why did
you i'm trying to say something complex and you interrupted me because the point of this is hold
on stop wait what i'm saying is that like in any fields you need to first in any scientific field
you need to first locate biases you need to, you need to first locate biases. You need
to locate, you need to figure out what people are trying to say. Because people, anyone who studies
any sciences here will know this. Like, you can have a study, right, that essentially says
fucking nothing and proves fucking nothing and give it to the common people
and they'll say a sentence, they'll read a sentence from this study and then draw a conclusion from it
based on that when it's not saying anything other than three people out of the ten people in this
room had pink shirts on. It's not saying anything other than that.
That itself might be true, but you need to look at, and this is like the whole problem in the scientific community,
or if you're studying anything or trying to find the truth of anything,
you'll see so many fucking studies that are full of shit, first of all.
And then second of all
no one knows how to read it and third of all uh who's funding it like the what is the agenda
what are the biases uh what what i'm saying is like i i think we should be careful when we make
statements like uh this is correlated with with high intelligence or this is not correlated with high intelligence.
Yes, David, do you disagree? Yes, completely. So I live with a research scientist and, you know,
this is why we have peer review. Of course there's things that can be wrong, but this was Isaac
Newton's point. He was a pure empiricist.
He was just looking at the data.
You know, when you say people can misinterpret the data, well, that's true.
That's true.
Your senses, for instance, are 100% correct.
They're always just giving you the raw data.
It's your job, your analytical faculty, to interpret that data.
So that's true.
However, it doesn't dispossess us of the responsibility
of looking at the data that comes to us. For instance, if we say, well, there's an
inverse correlation between schizophrenia and IQ. You're right. People could make bad
inferences of that. That is true. But let's not indict the original empirical data that
comes to us. Let's just
indict our capacity to analyze that data. In fact, I haven't heard so far anyone come
to any sort of analysis of why that is so. But it's important that we know. It's important
that we take that baby step to get that empirical data. That's what my wife does in cancer research.
It's very, very rigorous. There's a repetitive process to confirm, confirm, confirm.
And it really is a very rigorous process.
So the scientific and rational methods are supposed to be devoid of any ideology and
supposed to let the data talk and then figure out where to go from there, how we can gain
meaning from that data, towards what end?
Sustain our lives,
prolong our lives, making them more livable.
I didn't hear you say anything to refute anything that I was trying to say, which makes
me think that I probably didn't illustrate what I was trying to say properly um glenn go ahead
okay kevin go ahead i have the order of your hand sweetie pie do you want me calling your hands for
you oh go ahead um the dms five sit there and has a scale which sit there and provides a baseline scientific status of mental disorders.
Now, mental disorders are not blockchained or what we call Bohanian Introduction to Theory of Mathematical Statistics,
they're not hooked together.
There's not been really a total study on IQs and behavioral health issues.
Now, there's schizophrenia, and then there's schizoaffective disorder.
And then there's people with autism, and then there's people with savants, what's called savant.
And then, you know, in the in others, like common sense and all that. And we see that with the rise of IQ
is that there's no common sense with a lot of people. And you're going to have to take an introduction to probability theory of mathematical
statistics which is which is the which is which is which would you find and academia has already
published a paper on it on academia.com you can you can read it for yourself. I'll get a copy and source it to you later. But there's very few people with these mental health problems that have high IQs because they rationalize everything.
But schizophrenia is a seeing, visual, and hearing disorder as well in the DMS-5.
Does that answer your question?
Saying that people of low intelligence rationalize better?
But no.
No, no, they don't.
If you look at the, what is this, R-O-H-A-T-G-I,'t pronunciate it because I get tongue-timed every time.
Introduction to the probability of theory of mathematical statistics.
If you look at that theorem and line it up side by side with the DMS-5
and then the behavioral health cases of America.
Do you mean DSM?
Are you talking about something else?
Yeah, diagnosis of America. Do you mean DSM? Are you talking about something else? Yeah, diagnosis of mental... Yes. So as I was saying was the DMS-5 does not give an IQ level,
but usually found in lower IQs is schizophrenia, schizoaffective, and these disorders because
because there's no way of rationalizing what they're seeing or understanding.
So, you know, it comes with the connection that you could be autistic and not schizoaffective or schizophrenic and have savant.
You know, a savant is somebody that has a way high IQ in some area that clicks.
to somebody that has a way high IQ in some area that clicks.
So you have to take that mathematical term
and apply it to the DMS-5
and then carry it over to your statistics.
But it usually shows that people with lower IQs,
the numbers with lower IQs,
suffer from the psychoses that you're speaking of.
Okay. Being able to rationalize things doesn't make you more intelligent, but being more intelligent
will allow you to rationalize things more. Yes. What you brought up is actually why I have an issue with what Hitchlap is saying and why I want to see these stats.
Because if you're pairing schizoaffective with schizophrenia, what the fuck are we talking about anymore?
And this is the problem with modern psychology.
They're lumping very different brains into the same box.
And I understand why we do that.
I understand it's our job to be efficient.
But we know that this is like way far off of what the truth is.
what the truth is. So if we start throwing around statements like schizophrenia is positively
correlated with low IQ, and they're including schizoaffective in these studies, it's like,
how did you diagnose the schizophrenic people? What kind of schizophrenia?
Right, right. But schizophrenia has stages. That's why you have schizoaffective
and schizophrenia and full-blown schizophrenia. You have different levels. Let me tell you how
the DMS-5 works. All right. If you took a handful of Skittles, all different colors, right? All
different colors and all different shapes and sizes and everything else And then you had all these boxes in front of you
All these disorders
And you spread them within those boxes
The highest amount of color
Kevin
The same color
Schizoaffective
It's not like a spectrum
Where you start schizoaffective
And then you go to schizophrenia
I don't understand why you're trying to explain
the DSM-5 to me. Do you know who I am? I know who you are. I am spurging out a little bit. I
sound like a cunt, but why are you trying to explain the DSM-5 to me? What are you saying?
Schizoaffective and schizophrenia, it does not progress to
schizophrenia. These are different brains. So what I'm saying is if you're lumping the same brain,
very different brains into the same box, and then making assumptions off of that,
the study is wrong in the first place. Right, but just let me say that you can look it up in academia and find it there.
There's a paper on it.
Yeah, you can find a lot of bullshit all over the place.
Just because something is stamped peer-reviewed doesn't mean it was done well.
Where's Sefi when I need him?
Sefi will talk about this.
No, it's Sefi when I need him? Sefi will talk about this. No, it's in academia.
No, just because something's peer-reviewed.
I'm just kidding.
There's so many fucking...
There's actually no place called academia.
Well, the thing is, we all knew with COVID how many peer-reviewed studies
said that the vaccine was safe and effective.
I mean, there comes a point where we have to, like...
Some of the most brilliant
scientists that i know are the ones who don't go by the methods that they've been taught
um they're brilliant they come up with breaking groundbreaking stuff i don't know i just kind of
feel like zentani is making a valid point and i'm seeing where you're going with i've seen where
you're going with this i'm saying that like uh many many many it's an issue there's too
many peer-reviewed we need to figure out the fuck how to get all the bullshit out because something
can say bullshit in very smart words um and it could be true and it could be peer-reviewed and
and i love the scientific method we wouldn't be on phones that work and able to speak to each other across the planet if
the scientific method did not work.
It's a beautiful thing.
But there is a lot of bullshit out there.
And when you're analyzing statistics, it's really, again, I'm not a statistics guy,
wouldn't want to be, but it's full of bullshit.
So you need to know when you're making claims
based off of statistics, what you're saying. And I did look up on chat GBT. They do often,
when they're doing these studies, they're pairing schizoaffective with schizophrenia
when they're making these, these, uh, when they're finding like this positive and negative correlation.
And anyone who has any understanding of neuroscience,
or hopefully psychology, I don't know how that field's going,
but any understanding of neuroscience,
adding schizoaffective to schizophrenia
and then making an assumption based on that sample is already debunked.
It should be debunked.
It shouldn't be looked at.
They need to do it again.
You cannot make an assumption on a sample of schizophrenics when you're adding schizoaffective
into that sample.
sample it's retarded these very different brains i'm under the assumption that psychology was just
It's retarded.
These are very different brains.
created so that we could put people in their little boxes and their little labels to brainwash
society that's my opinion i'm sticking to it i have nothing to back it up it's just my opinion
yeah well the idea that big pharma is evil and corrupted is popular but it's it's more that we don't have the money
to sit and diagnose each individual person properly so we're doing the best we can to
like we have to put people in the boxes we have to because people already can't afford like this
sort of non-specialized treatment stuff. People are struggling to afford it.
So imagine like, you know, because you could, you could, there's a strong argument to be made for
like, why the fuck are psychologists diagnosing an organ they never look at? If you're not getting
hooked up to some sort of biological metric for your brain, how the fuck are they going to diagnose your brain
based on your behaviors? It's very silly, but also it's like, well, we don't have enough money
or resources or whatever to do that for everyone. You know?
I tend to agree with you. I mean, yeah, they make everything so expensive for insurance and
everything. It's near impossible. Julian, I i know that you're gonna be short and concise so go ahead julian
oh i was just gonna say i think i know what zintani was getting at when you were questioning
whether or not you articulated your point it's that in order for anything to be like the meaning
comes before the desire to study anything and And Dave is right that you have to separate.
It has to be devoid of intention.
You just have to get the facts plain as day to figure out what anything means.
But you can't separate that from the meaning that the person went in with.
If you're trying to study what can get water into my mouth,
that's the point of the study.
You have to know what the person's trying to prove or disprove
and whether or not they're trying to prove or disprove it to look at their data through a lens, like in a way
that you can understand it truly. The facts are plain, but you have to know their intentions
behind finding the facts. May I say that I don't know about statistics or anything, but I have been around many schizophrenics.
And there's been several that was extremely smart.
It depended on their frame of mind at the time and their surroundings.
Their surroundings is very important.
In certain surroundings, they become more paranoid and then their mind starts going crazy and it takes off in a different direction.
But as far as being smart on everything, no.
But they'd have certain things that they were extremely smart at and others that they wasn't.
Yeah, true schizophrenia.
And this is the problem with psychology because if I say schizophrenia, I know most of the people in here will think I'm referring to, I don't know, some dude named Joe with schizoaffective disorder down the street.
It's like that's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about a specific kind of brain when I say schizophrenia.
And even then, it's like if we're looking at at studies I need to know how these people were diagnosed did they have auditory and visual
hallucinations you know like these things if they don't there should be in like
separate category of like this type of brain that has auditory slash visual
hallucinations this is one box then you have another box. So like
Just learning that schizoaffective was put in into the same box as schizophrenia is fucking
This is the mess of psychology being a different branch from neuroscience
We should not I I don't I'm an advocate for us like taking the next step and just wiping out psychology besides like the useful stuff like CBT and whatever.
But the psychologists in charge of like making wellness programs and leave the diagnosing to the neuroscientists.
This is I'm a huge advocate advocate for this because we have a huge problem with missed misdiagnoses.
for this because we have a huge problem with misdiagnoses because you can't because you can't
properly or accurately diagnose an organ you don't look at it's just that like an impossible
it's just not possible well they changed the words and i say this because i went to
for two i went to therapy for pts right and you know this whole time um oh my gosh then i'm now i'm pulling as in tiny i'm
struggling to pull a word out of my head um codependent could be this mean the same word
as bipolar right i know i'm not bipolar i've never been diagnosed bipolar but they have the
same and i'm only using this as an example because i'll have people tell me all the time i'm bipolar
i'm never going to be able to heal from this.
And then you're like, well, if you understood what codependent was, it's the exact same symptoms.
But the means of recovering and going through therapy for that is completely different.
It's more healing your childhood wounds.
And you can overcome that, right?
But bipolar, they're like, well, people don't know how to treat it because they changed the definitions and these people went to school 20 years ago yeah they have
their continuing ed or whatnot but they just gravitate to whatever new definition is out there
and they forget oh my gosh and i found it out by just going to the internet and and read a book
called codependent no more like holy crap i went to therapy for pts first two years was overcoming
that the next year was learning to never how to avoid being in relationships with narcissists right I'm like, holy crap. I went to therapy for PTS. First two years was overcoming that.
The next year was learning to never, how to avoid being in relationships with narcissists,
right?
Learning the warning signs.
And I'm talking about diagnosed.
I'm not talking about the jerk ass everyday person, right?
But, but in doing so, I'm like, oh, we never talked about me being codependent.
This is, this is like, I can work on this.
This is something I can do.
Like I can do this. And
I think that that's where our medical system, and I'm not saying all people are like this,
because I did have an amazing therapist, but the money, the revolving door of money, right?
As long as you're on a drug, as long as you're on this, you're continuing to make someone money.
And then my therapist knew that I didn't want to be on medication, which was great because she
never pushed it. So not her fault, but she just learned a different terminology for it, which was not helpful to me.
Anyway, I think I kind of hopefully that made sense to you guys.
And I think that that's that's what I say.
Psychology is just that it's behaviors and mannerisms.
And I think that they should see a neuropsychologist be diagnosed properly because a lot of things can be treated like my my cousin
does have schizophrenia when she goes off her medic she's brilliant she went to north carolina
she took ecstasy one time and she's never been the same since so i'm not saying that's the cause
of it it could very well be i've heard that it does especially in your early 20s um so she would
walk in the middle in a field in the middle winter
dancing and talking about tulips right it's winter time when she's medicated she's brilliant
because all her thoughts and everything are very clear when she's off of it she's taking off with
random strangers traveling the world just in her own little head right so that's i know from that
experience and my aunt and my
uncle have struggled really a lot. Sorry, I can't talk because my cheek is swollen twice the size
as my other side. So I apologize for my mumbling. But it's a struggle for them. But every time she
offered medication is when there was a struggle. So do I think that there is a purpose for some
medications? Yes. Because if not, this girl would be trafficked around the world or doing God knows what, right? So to say, oh,
all medications need to go away. I disagree with that. Even though I'm very anti-medication,
I think they do serve a purpose when needed. Anyway. No, you're completely right. I think
the problem is just like, we have an overall lack of education.
Like, I think, let's say, if I were to rule the world, or I'm like president, one of the first
things that I would do is maybe, maybe an easier way to do this is like, keep psychology and
whatever, but we should have like schedule one drugs can only be or like a
schedule one system for certain types of drugs because another danger with what you're talking
about is and when you bring up bipolar I mean we have a huge issue with this because yeah all of
the symptoms the external symptoms of bipolar people get diagnosed bipolar left and right and center, fucking everywhere.
And they show the same symptoms as, say, someone with BPD.
The danger of this and the issue with this is if they have BPD and they're not bipolar, but they were diagnosed bipolar,
but they were diagnosed bipolar, and they're put on something like lithium, you've now given a
person that was not bipolar previously, over time, if they're on this medication long enough,
they could develop it. The proper medication for the proper brain or the right fit can be
tremendous and amazing, but it should be a much more careful process than what
it is. But like I said, I do understand why it is the way it is, and it truly is just, it's expensive.
If you have a serious mental problem, that's going to take a lot of energy and work from someone to
figure out what is wrong with you and how to properly help you.
And if you have a whole society full of people that are fucked up, um, this is very, very expensive.
Not even, I'm not even talking about like inflated prices.
I'm saying like the workload of the person diagnosing you is very high.
So this, this is difficult to solve, but yeah, it's true.
I mean, the, the, just because someone, um, is acting manic, for example, well, this,
this can be like, you, you have a person who's like, hello'm acting manic what's wrong with me um this could be
literally anything like they they you need to look at their brain
there's there's no way to know what's going on unless you're looking at their brain um
you know but i'm glad glad to hear that uh she was put on the right medication.
I didn't see the hands.
Was it Ronaldo?
No, we have Barack.
Barack had his hand up, and then he dropped down.
I brought him back up.
So we had Barack, and then we have Ronaldo, and then we have Josie.
Do you mean me, Barack?
That Barack is the only Barack that I know.
Okay.
Hey, hey there everyone.
Anyway, so like last night I exposed the algorithm and I said something.
And then, until now, I can't see the timeline.
Nothing.
I can't see nothing.
Because I say, guys, are you like... I don't care.
Are you pro-Palestinian, pro-Israel? We were talking about should women compete for men,
and then we were talking about psychology.
So anything along those veins, this is not a political space.
We don't care if you're for Israel, for Palestine.
Yeah, we really don't care about that.
So if you want to talk about the topics that we're talking about,
then you're welcome to, but we're not, that's what we're talking about.
Wait, did you kick him or did you leave?
Oh, I didn't kick him.
I gave him a chance to talk about what we were talking about.
He must have.
Oh, he just left?
Yeah, I think that he wanted to, he a chance to talk about what we were talking about he must he just he just left yeah i i think that he wanted to he was wanting to talk about palestine and the algorithm uh i'm
sorry it's too late at night for me to care about those two things oh he's requesting again he waited
a long time just to leave i'm i'm i'll give him a chance. He's requesting again. He might have glitched out. I did not drop him.
The minefield of what you can properly say to avoid that, like to get through that question.
Alright, Barack. Yeah, I'm sorry again. I'm here. Sorry. I can't say anything about that.
But anyway, I'm pro-human.
I'm pro-I love you all.
What do you think?
Do you think that women should compete for men?
Do you think that we should do that?
No, I think humans, like, all together, men and women, all together.
That's what I think. So... I'm asking you what you think, though. So, do you think,
in your society, from wherever you're from, do the women, like, chase the men? Oh, I grew up. Do they compete for your second? Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. Okay.
I grew up as a Muslim, you know, like we, but I'm not Muslim anymore. You have arranged marriages.
Is that accurate?
No, I'm not Muslim anymore.
Like I respect women more than human.
Like I can't explain it.
But like, you know, like, we should all work together.
Like, we're all the same.
I respect all generations.
Like, women, men, we're all the same.
Gender is a crazy thing.
Like, the world now is dividing us by religion, by gender.
Yes, so you're getting into geo...
You're going down the vein of geopolitics, right?
Because I don't know if you heard me when I said that...
Our topic tonight has been, should women compete for men?
And then we veered off into different intelligence,
and then we were talking about schizophrenia and various
different disorders like that and the brain and how it's been a long
discussion. No what I mean that we don't have any difference men and women no difference we're all the same it's only about the mind
i know i know about the the like no i'm not i'm not talking about that i'm not talking about the
mind speaking of mental illness but we're talking about the. But we're talking about the mind, right?
We're talking about the mind.
And men and women, physically and mentally, are clearly, we're not this.
Physically, yeah.
We are different.
Physically and mentally.
Physically and mentally.
Cognitively, we're different.
I know.
I know.
I know that.
I know.
I'm really sure about that.
But I'm trying to, like, combine us. We're not different. We're all the same.
Yeah, you're trying to guide us to the, you're guiding, I can see where you're going, because I've been in enough of these spaces, right, where you come from a certain part, I'm making an assumption here, where we have this conflict in Israel and Palestine, because you asked, you know know our thoughts on that I said we're not going oh about that. Yeah
You wanna do a laugh about that?
No, I don't want to talk about we don't we don't want to go there like this space is does clearly is not okay
Okay, let me tell you something
But you're going down that vein I can tell you last night
I could tell you're going down that path even with what you're saying is that we're all the same
I wasn't I wasn't personally I don't care about Palestine. I don't care about the world.
I don't care about Kuwait. I don't care about anything.
But last night, I did post something.
And then, until now, I don't see my timeline.
Why?
Because I exposed the algorithm.
I told them that...
What is he on?
What?
What are you on?
Just let him finish.
Just let him finish what he's trying to say.
As long as he's not going down the other avenue.
Let's explore what he's saying.
So you exposed the algorithm.
Your timeline was completely black for a whole day.
Guys, I'm an artist.
I'm into art and AI and all that.
But I don't care about politics.
Even though my father is an ambassador.
Now, Josieie got you distracted. Go back to the AI and exposing the algorithm and how your timeline was blank until just now.
What?
Okay, never mind.
We're going to go ahead.
You've got like two minutes, then we're going to go to the next stand.
Okay, can I speak for just one second?
That's what I said, go ahead.
Just go ahead and finish, we're not gonna interrupt you.
Go ahead.
Okay.
I'm all into art and AI.
I don't care about the politics.
Like, even though, like, I try to understand what's happening in the social media,
and I found out that everything I talk about politics, it's all like, like disappear.
So my father is ambassador.
I'm from Kuwait.
And I grew up as Kuwaiti guy, ambassador of Kuwait.
I grew up as a Kuwaiti guy, ambassador of Kuwait. Like, I grew up, you know. But anyway,
last night my account got a sufficient and then I got seen my, I can't see my timeline until now. So now I jump here just to see if I exist or I'm just AI ghost.
You're probably an AI ghost. That sounds probably accurate.
Okay, if you hear me, that's pretty good.
Thank you very much.
That's all.
Thank you for coming up and speaking.
Josie, did she drop?
Oh, Josie just bamboozled out of here.
All right, let's go over to Renaud Barnett.
Go ahead.
Okay, so I wanted to talk about, I think I agree with Hitchlap.
I've been working as a teacher for like 40 years.
I teach chemistry and mathematics.
And I actually wanted to understand Ashley too.
You remember that girl Ashley that came in here?
And we've been doing IQ tests
all these years we actually do a an IQ test that Pitchfuck has probably heard of it's called
Fair Culture that you can start evaluating kids like from seven years from seven years up and get And so I have seen a correlation in schools that kids that are around 110 IQ, 115, are sometimes very, very, very good students.
And they get the best grades of the entire school.
But their IQ is only like 110 or 115.
Like if the school system was designed for 110 IQ or maybe even 190
and kids with higher IQs like 130 and 140 are actually like bored and very bored in school.
They don't like it.
They're not motivated.
And they tend to get bad grades in school.
So that would probably agree with Shanti.
And also, I wanted to mention the point that there is something, you know, in that movie.
I'll let you finish.
I promise I'll let you finish.
But that's not true.
There's no data that supports that.
If you have a single study that shows 110 kids on average outperform 140 kids, I'll give you $1,000.
There is no study that shows this.
this is absolutely no no this is just what what would that be agreeing with me why why is it in
This is absolutely not true.
No, this is just what we're seeing.
And how would that be agreeing with me?
my straw man you straw man both of us but you straw man me is the retard and him is the
what the smart logical man no no why do i get the retard straw man no no no i'm not i agree
in the sense that you were saying that that that you shouldn't like, you shouldn't be saying things, the correlations, you know, what you said, that, that there is like a, that movie, that famous movie of Albert Nash, that was high IQ, and he had schizophrenia that, that was one case.
That's one case. That's one case. Show me a study that shows no no no no no no no no but what you agree you agree that that I said we should be careful when we make
these statements yeah exactly that's what I mean that you that you should be careful because
I actually think that in that one case. Well, I don't think Hitch would agree with that.
Hitch?
Or do you think it's black and white and we should just say, yep, that's it?
Or do you think we should be careful when we make what?
Yeah.
Well, this is what I will say, right?
Anyone's study can be flawed.
This is absolutely true.
But there's something called the weight of evidence.
And if 95% of studies say one thing, you know, of course, we need to look at the topic.
You know, IQ is the most replicated finding in the whole of psychology.
It's not a single study which is better replicated than IQ and behavioral genetics.
They're at the top. So, you know, any one study can be flawed,
but 95% of the studies show exactly what I'm talking about.
Higher IQ people do better at school.
There is no study that exists that I'm aware of, and if you've got it, send it, that says, on average,
110 IQ kids do better than 140 IQ kids.
This is demonstrably false.
It's absurd.
But, yes, we should be careful with our language as a general rule.
Wait, who said 110 kids outperform 140 kids?
This guy who was just speaking, Rent BA, whatever his name is.
No, no, I didn't say that.
What I said is that the kids that were 140 get bored in school,
so they tend to misbehave and not get great grades.
This is also not true.
This is not true.
Where did you get that information?
It's just been the experience of the results at the school where I've worked for 40 years.
Oh, so your anecdotal experience at one school, whatever schools you worked at, in your opinion, is that you think that higher IQ kids get bored and they get worse grades.
Well, no offense, but you've got no record keeping.
You've not done any studies.
So, of course, you're allowed to have your lived experience anecdotal experience, but it's not in keeping with any data.
Yeah, that's why I wasn't claiming any data. I was just saying that there is this thing that students with high IQs,
they get bored and they misbehave.
I didn't say that it's like a general thing.
That's funny, Keith.
People can look up the SIMPY study, study mathematically precocious use.
All the kids are above 99th percentile.
They all went on to do very good things.
None of them had behavioral problems.
There's no data I've ever seen that supports your claim.
So either you're going to a very strange school
with very strange kids,
or you've got some kind of bias against high IQ people
because there's no data that supports this at all.
I don't have any bias at all against high IQ people.
Facts, numbers, logic.
That's what we're about at Hitchtiny Episode 3.
Correct.
Don't give me this.
I've worked at a school and higher IQ kids misbehave.
No, they don't.
Show me the numbers, Reynolds.
Anyone who's ever went to a school and known the smart kids who got, you know,
the top of the class, they never misbehave.
This is complete bullshit.
I can't think of a simple example of a high IQ kid at any schools i've been at least uh misbehaving so you must have gone to a very
strange yeah i've never seen a high iq person do anything wrong exactly correct thank you
name me 50 high iq people that have done something wrong right now exactly exactly do it right now i've had enough
i'm at the end i've had enough i'm gonna blow don't make him blow
that's what she said inappropriate i'm gonna rage i'm gonna write you know what's funny about this too is i think this aggression
that we're both spewing at rinald he has nothing
or at least for me it this is pent-up aggression from ashley i'm just taking it out on you rinald
i'm sorry no people just make up shit no anyone i'm really just mad about Ashley, but you're going to pay for it, Ronald.
Anyone in this room, just think to yourself, when you went to school,
all the kids getting A-pluses, how many of them were troublemakers?
Fucking zero.
Maybe 0.01%, maybe none.
Don't give me this bullshit.
This is absolutely nonsense.
Someone's going to pay, and it's going to be Ronald.
Donnie, check her DM report. I don't think it is
nonsense. Y'all can make me pay instead.
It's okay.
Don't worry about it. I don't take it personally
at all. I would never raise my voice
to a woman. Whoever that woman is, I agree with everything
she said.
Well, I appreciate you.
However, I still do
agree with him because I've been with many around many
many well kim is correct i changed my mind i was wrong kim right again thank you kim
you're welcome
hey guys
i had to speak up because i was getting triggered by what was being said
I'm glad
what the fuck
have you got a New Zealand accent
now I've got to listen
to a Kiwi accent
the only real hate speech
the only real hate speech
that exists
the only real hate speech that exists is having to listen to the Kiwi accent.
Who has the Kiwi accent?
What is a Kiwi accent?
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
First of all, what do you guys consider a high IQ?
First of all, what do you guys consider a high IQ?
I'm talking about 140 plus, but I guess Hitchslap's talking about more just what?
120?
You guys were claiming that no high IQ person mucked around in school.
Yeah, there's never been a single person with a high IQ who's done something wrong.
Name 50 of them right now.
Yeah, name 50 right now. steven harker bro you're
not high iq and she said 50 yeah that's only one obviously you can't count we gave two no no no
but you you were claiming that there was none okay there is none you don't count you're from New Zealand, you don't count. Okay, 48 more. Yeah, I'm from New Zealand.
Oh, there you go, that explains it. You got 48 more to go.
I was born in Auckland, New Zealand.
Can you name 48 more?
No, it's not really like a conversation starter for me.
These Kiwis, man.
What does Kiwi mean? Is that derogatory?
They're just from a weird country.
It means from New Zealand.
It means a white New Zealander.
Will I get cancelled
if I say, like, fuck these Kiwis?
No, you won't.
Fuck these Kiwis.
Fuck these Kiwis.
I'm actually got a percentile.
Kiwis are all libtards.
Get them out of here.
IQ hurts my feelings.
Don't start the conversation by saying my IQ or you hurt my –
that's exactly why I don't go to New Zealand.
Yeah.
Imagine naming your country after a fruit.
How low IQ
is that, bitches?
Wow, you've got such a high IQ
that you didn't know that it's actually a bird.
Don't talk like...
How dare you talk like that to a woman?
Absolutely misogyny.
We don't have misogyny in this space.
You will show...
So you fuckers... These Kiwis, man.
So you guys named...
Hey, Hawker, shut the fuck up, Kiwi bitch.
Shut the fuck up.
So you're telling me you guys looked at a bird and you're like,
we're going to name this bird after a fruit,
and then we're going to name ourselves after the bird?
It's just a museum. going to name this bird after a fruit and then we're going to name ourselves after the bird? That used to be the dumbest fucking thing
I've ever done. It does sound dumb.
You have anything to defend yourself
with?
New Zealand is a bird paradise.
It was, there was no, all the mammals were introduced to New Zealand.
There was no mammals on the island.
On the two islands.
It's more like a Raytod's paradise.
Yeah.
It's not as, not as cool as Australia.
Let's go. Wait, there mammals were there humans if there's no mammals. How were there humans?
No mammals that were originally from New Zealand, you know the Polynesians the Maoris moved in I'm a Kiwi
I know the story of New Zealand. Oh my god. Why are there so many Kiwis in here?
Who brought you people?
And you're so wrong because there was a population there before the Maoris,
and they were mammals as far as I know, correct, Mr.
I-know-my-New Zealand history?
It's a bird paradise.
It was a bird paradise.
Mammals were there.
The pre-population to the Maoris, the Maoris came there. There's already humans there
They overran them. So your statement is false apologize to the room
Okay, I apologize
apology we accept
We accept
in the New Zealand accent.
New Zealand accent
I apologize.
I apologize for the Q-Ease.
High IQ versus low IQ club?
I don't have anything against IQ, high IQ.
I'm actually, you know, I don't even say it,
but I have a high IQ.
You have a high IQ.
What's three times three?
Nine.
You don't even know.
You don't even know what three times three is.
Oh, my God.
It was like lightning with that shit, man.
This guy doesn't even know three times three.
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah.
I teach math, you know.
Well, why come you didn't answer the question
then?
Did nine.
Oh, 17 years later.
Let me waste 17 years
and then that's nine.
I had to turn on my microphone.
Anyway, just let people know,
we're just having a laugh, having a joke.
It's true the Kiwis are annoying, but of course these gentlemen,
we're just kidding around.
It's all for the banter.
I'm very serious about it.
No, I actually agree with both of you.
I agree with both of you.
I like how the other Kiwi guy dipped.
He got his feelings hurt.
Oh, I don't start
conversations by asking their iq that's not a very good conversation no i think he said like
thanks for the have a nice night guys or something like that i don't know maybe he didn't know when
when these kiwis though right yeah tell me about i know zantani and hitch slap and i think they're very
smart in very good spaces oh that's very nice of you young man i've completely changed my mind
about you you're an outlier kiwi i like you uh no the other guy said uh you know i don't really
find this topic interesting it's not a good conversation starter when i talk to people i
don't ask them can he just come up to say i have have a high IQ? Like, is that why I can't?
Yeah.
I think so.
We've reached the midnight hours, the early hours of the spaces.
I would, I'd never tell anybody that I have a high IQ ever.
I mean, you know, I'd advise that instinct is a good one.
I'm IQ, i'm iq insecure i'm iq agnostic i know what my iq should be but i think something went wrong
i ate one too many rotten fruits probably too many kiwi fruits and i should tell people there's
a law in australia which says it's
actually in the constitution we have to be rude to kiwis uh i forget the exact wording but it's like
lest ye proclaim anywhere ye find kiwis uh ye must be nasty to them um sign the australian
constitution so people probably don't know this but it's it's Australian common word. No, it's a tradition.
I know it.
Are the Kiwis... We have the same thing in Michigan when it comes to Ohio.
Really?
Yeah, we hate Ohio.
Because if you leave Michigan, you have to drive through Ohio.
And all of our freeways are 70, but Ohio is 65.
And they love to fucking bust you. So you have to come back for court like six months later and drive three hours.
And they know you're coming from North Carolina, so you've been on the road for 10 hours and you're just trying to get home.
Fuck Ohio.
Yeah, I had to go to Utah for the fucking...
There was a warrant for my arrest my whole life.
I didn't know about it.
Fuck Ohio.
Yeah, fuck Utah. Fuck Utah. warrant for my arrest my whole life i didn't know about ohio yeah fuck utah fuck utah did i tell you hitch about that no what happened i didn't return a library book and they put out
a warrant for my arrest bro i've realized four library books um it was a book on body language. And then there was a book on, I don't know.
I think there were like two, like, space astronomy books.
And then there was one just fiction.
Daughter of the Forest.
so I know it was me
So I know it was me, but.
I don't remember reading any of those books
Zintani's Innocent
yo yo yo
hold on a second
that's the funniest fucking thing I heard all day
a warrant after arrest
for returning library books
good for you
I'm a criminal A warrant after arrest for return of library books. Good for you.
I'm a criminal.
Was it at Brigham?
It was.
Was it at Brigham Young University?
It was.
Yes.
Yeah, those fuckers.
Yeah, it was at BYU.
I haven't been to a library since I was like eight fucking years old.
I mean, holy shit.
The Mormons are the owners of Utah.
Yeah.
Sally's there.
I think she left.
Do you guys fuck with Minesweeper?
I fuck with Minesweeper.
I love Minesweeper.
Me too.
I don't have the patience.
I like Solitaire, though.
I'll play Solitaire all day on my phone.
You think Solitaire, like. I'll play Solitaire all day on my phone. You think Solitaire requires less patience than Minesweeper?
Nah, I don't know. I can get through a game of Solitaire in like two minutes.
I feel like that with Minesweeper. I don't know how long Minesweeper takes.
Well, I haven't played Minesweeper since I was probably 12, so... I fuck with Minesweeper takes. Well, I haven't played Minesweeper since I was probably 12, so.
I fuck with Minesweeper heavy.
I'll give it a shot. I like Wordle. Wordle's good.
What is that?
Oh, it starts with a five-letter word, and you have to guess anything, right? You just type north.
If you have the right letter in the right spot, it will be green. have a correct letter but it's in the wrong spot it will be yellow and then
you have a certain number of tries i think it's either five or six to decide what the right word
is so you type in north and like the o will be green and the r will be yellow so you have to say
okay so the word has o in the second spot and there there's an R in it, but it's not in the third spot.
So what's the word?
And then you guess again, you go through this.
Bro, can I tell you one thing?
You gotta get a life.
That shit's bored as fuck.
Yeah, but we all have downtime.
Yes, sir.
I'm just fucking with you.
You know that.
Hitch.
Yes.
Are you from Boston?
Are you from Boston, Pete?
No, no, me?
I'm from Philadelphia.
Oh, what are the streets like in Philadelphia?
What are the streets like in Philadelphia?
Depends on the street.
You walk down one street, it's great.
You walk down another, you get shot.
Are they rough streets in Philadelphia?
Yes.
She's not wrong.
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but how do we pronounce your name?
My name?
No, Santana, the girl that's running the shit uh how do we say your name girl who's
running i lived i lived in west philly on one of those streets every single fucking day of shooting
every day but you walk we used to we had a joke it was like bass tag so if you make it to the
other side of the street you're fine no. No one's going to shoot you.
But you got to run.
Wait, are you being serious right now?
Yeah, I was in West Philly.
Right, right, yeah.
Oh my God.
The street I was on.
Yeah, I guess my friends were the ones doing the shootings.
But I always have my nose in a book.
So I don't know.
I didn't I didn't I wasn't looking.
Yeah, again, I'll say it every day.
People think you make you can't make that shit up.
That shit's real.
And nobody will ever understand it because they're all a bunch of fucking idiots.
Yeah, there were there were there were shootings every day.
I'm like, but on the other side of the road is beautiful, Hitch.
It was like the side I lived on because I was broke.
There's like mattresses and dirt and shit all over.
Not human shit, but, you know, mud and gross shit.
And then you go one street over.
It's clean.
It's beautiful.
There's like statues and gardens.
But Santana, you can't act like you were innocent here. These were all stolen books you had your nose in.
They were from the library.
Yeah, unreturned.
I returned those ones.
Hey, hon, where are you living right now?
I'm in New York.
Okay, good for you. At least you escaped the streets of Philly just like I did. I'm in New York okay good for you at least you escaped the streets of Philly
just like I did
I'm in Hollywood
but I'm in the place right now
I was just going to ask
you said you're from West Philadelphia
born and raised
were you on the playground
and you still missed
wait wait wait
what did you just say
sorry maybe maybe West Philadelphia born and raised something something something Did you just say? Say. Sorry, maybe, maybe.
West Philadelphia, born and raised,
something, something, something,
the rest of my days.
I'm a playground, but I spent most of my days.
I'm actually
chilling out, relaxing all the time.
I'm actually South Philadelphia,
where all the fucking maniacs come from,
so it's not my fucking fault.
Jordan, are you going gonna come up here you freak he what
jordan messaged me and he said
he said He said what?
I'm dying
He said he's dying?
Yeah, he's choking on the salmon and the potatoes
What? Jordan, why do you do this?
How long are you going to sit down there?
Hitch, are they the little red potatoes?
And you cook them with, like, garlic?
No, I put too much pepper.
Oh my god.
Are you okay?
I'm not going to make it too much pepper.
Yeah, you're fucking shut the fuck up.
This is why I come into these spaces, because...
Don't speak to my English lab like that.
Yeah, don't talk to me like that, Pete.
I'm dying of you.
This is what I'm saying with you Italians.
You think you're spicy white, but you're not.
You're just white.
Okay?
You can't handle spices.
You think you can.
You can't.
There was some heavy pepper on the potatoes.
Yeah.
Pepper on the potatoes.
Wait, is that the highest level of spice you can take and slap?
It was a lot of pepper.
Yo, do me a favor one more time.
Say pepper again because it's fucking hilarious.
How about you suck my dick, motherfucker?
What the fuck?
Too much pepper. Too much pepper.
Too much pepper.
You sound like the biggest pussy in the fucking planet.
Dude, go away, please.
Shut the fuck up and accept it. Yeah, I can't believe this guy's like 55.
Pete, you're like what? Like 57?
What are the vibes of this?
Jordan, come up here. This is like when a girl says, What are the vibes of this? Jordan, come up here.
This is like when a girl says, what are we?
I hate being that girl.
I'm never going to be that girl.
I've got a question, babes.
What are we?
Jesus.
Yeah, if you have to ask, you already know the answer.
I've got
bamboozled
once in my day.
Jordan,
come up! The vibes up here
are so weird.
And Hitchslap keeps bringing him back up.
It's like borderline.
Borderline lolcow vibes.
Hitch, do you want to wrap up?
So I'm just eating some potato.
Yes, we should wrap up.
Jordan just messaged me.
He's not coming up.
She's being a...
God.
If...
Jordan, if I ever see you, I'm just going to start throwing see you I'm just going to start throwing hands
I'm just going to start punching
Zintanya do you ever get an answer
about should women compete for men
what was the consensus
We never got an answer
May I say
I don't think that they should
I put a screenshot in your subscriber group chat hitch May I say? I don't think that they should.
I put a screenshot in your subscriber group chat hitch.
This gentleman named ShowerSkills,
I don't know who he is before tonight, but
that Ashley person put a random
comment that I'm happily married.
He replied, or she, I would still like
you to compete for me. And it's the funniest
fucking comment of the night.
That dude's hilarious. I love him.
Yeah, it was brilliant instant follow everyone follows shower skills, correct
Is it time you wanna wrap up what do you want to do?
Yeah, I want to wrap up
Do you want to do final words or you just want to close the space?
Do you want to do final words or you just want to close the space?
Famous, what's your take on the Middle East?
I wish everybody good luck.
