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It's the best way support the space look we're gonna do our traffic weather report here Bitcoin down 1% 42k
Actually, not really much to talk about in terms of prices things are basically up or down one to two percent nothing too immaculate
If I do say so myself, we'll jump over to open see
See, let's see what's going on at open. See, what is this? Have you guys seen this new project?
Nobody or it's like a Super Mario star logo. I don't know what it is, but it's trending number one at point nine
I think it was a free mint as like three thousand six hundred to eat traded in volume. I have no idea what this thing is
But yeah people seem to be excited about it
See what else is going on here D gods at three eth
Mutants at four point three is you get six point seven pudgies at sixteen point seven. Oh
No way I saw these fucking cats
This early retired cats Club thing fuck dude
I saw this thing a couple days ago and I sent it to a few people
I was like in this art really really cute and it was like point zero eight and I
Was thinking about buying one of the one of ones for point six. I was like, ah
Whatever, and I didn't really think about it. And then I traveled to Virginia. It is what it is
I look at it now and the floor is point seven. Ah, damn it. Yeah, but the art on these is really good
Beans at point nine. Yeah, basically basic across the board bring some people up
Man I hate when I see something and know it's good and then I don't buy it cuz I'm an idiot
Let me see what's going on a magic get in
Wait Lee, do you have a puppet? No, I don't have a puppet. Okay. I don't know I'm doing here
I'm not buying this cabal shit
All right, what else let's see RS I see don't the cats do the cats drop tomorrow
The quantum cats I think they're minting tomorrow. I
Think they're minting RS I see is at point zero eight puppets at point zero six. No monkeys at point one eight
pizza ninjas at point zero five
What's going on with this a lot of projects, let's see
Who is still buying for Gaunce, they're still doing a shit ton of all you but they're at six soul
Is that is it the only people who are buying for Gaunce is mutiny? Yeah, it's all it's the only community that dumb to buy that shit
I mean the arts. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, dude. I've been hanging on malaise too much. Yeah. No the art is
Like build a bear characters. I get build a bear kind of focused on lizards
What else did I miss anything here?
Do you think NFTs are gonna fucking go down right now?
Cuz I feel like they are like there's a lot of money flowing into base and then the other liquidities in Solana
so I feel like Ethan F T's are probably
Gonna get a little dippy dipper oni and so the blast unlock
Yeah, I mean there's not like a short-term catalyst and
Even with some of the the bigger projects like most of their announcements have already come out
So dude, did you see that like that tweet about board apes yesterday?
That like it was like this like the first time in like years that or I think since ever that there was like no
sales on any board apes for like over 24 hours I
Did see that. Oh, I did see that and that's actually shocking because like even
Like not a fucking lend or anything like I gotta I gotta look at it hold on
See I heard that they had sales on eBay though for some of the board of yacht club swag
So don't worry about it. How the fuck is that shocking to you?
How is it? There's five people tops
Let's say three that were responsible for any kind of liquidity or volume on the secondary market for that
The two of the biggest was machi big blubber whose fuck knows what happened to his interest in that the other one was
Whatever happened to that 10 million dollars that they were supposed to buy up
Art with yeah, they're still doing it's not like 10 million. Well, I think they put that 10 million ape coins
went to the ape coin meeting and I asked and
They said they need more money
So they're raising another AIP
so also the thing with a point to hours it usually takes like four months plus to get your money and
It's not all at once. It's like over time. So, you know, whatever they agreed on
It's gonna take a while for them to get it. The reason that it's so surprising to me that there is not
Yeah, I mean like here's the thing like you don't need someone to even want to but you just sell it
Someone could floor into a weath offer like the fact that there wasn't even that in 24 hours
Why would you want to put an offer on a yuga asset?
What's the highest weath offer right now?
Look at pop culture around board ape like nobody wants this thing. Nobody wants for the 10-foot pole. I
Mean you guys still in my opinion the strongest you guys gonna float until they release other side
And then it's all over unless they don't release other side in which case that everything's off the table. I
Mean you're wrapping a you get asset right now, even though like it's ironically still wrapping. No, no, that's not true
This was burned as a as a larva labs asset and it's state. I'm gonna burn you
Yuga, I know people want to like shit on you guy and it's like monkeys and all this different stuff
I get it, but there's still the most well capitalized company in the space
With with the largest team and then the widest range of connect like it's just fucking true
They're still the strongest company now like pudgies are great as you keep doing their thing
Whatever but like you guys just because people in web 3 are like, oh like you guys cringe
Whatever like that is not indicative of whether or not they're gonna be successful or not
Like did anybody here by these fucking there's like so many collections from that are more global that people are buying Asia loves board
It's like there's there's a huge aspect of this that people just sleep on
Asia loves board ape sleep
Go look at hype beast Japan and pull up that Bape fucking collab
They did with board apes and read those comments out loud and let me know what Asia thinks about
Okay guys, I you know, this is my first day back in like two three days I
You know, can you at least wait like an hour until I fucking you know before you guys start turning this into a goddamn zoo
I know we're talking about monkeys, but look
When you look at those comments on let's say I'm assuming you're referencing like the Instagram or something where they announced the the collab dude
Go to any entity whether it's music art food
Whatever the fuck and people are I guess what people do on Instagram
Don't be like where began it all does a collab with fucking bogari or anyone else. They all love it. Everyone's like wow
This is amazing. I can't believe you're doing something with the arts. This is beautiful
I can't love this or fucking Rafiki and at all and and Julius bar or if you can at all and
Insert thing there how much they get paid to say Rafiki and at all, bro
I fucking hate Rafiki and at all right now, too. That's the annoying part
You've been glazing for like months late eight months late
Okay. All right. I'm sending me a print
All right. No one wants to see your print. How long does it take to print something? Why is it a month?
What would you know about a print? Look, I need a we get this we haven't even going for two seconds
We haven't got it's already off track
Look Rafiki and it all's cool. What the hell does Rafiki and it all have to do with what we're talking about right now
Like anything we're talking about will be like all the decentralization of the single sequencer of L2s
And you start screaming about Rafiki and at all having
Being more decentralized. These are completely different
These are literally completely different subjects
Rafiki and it all school shout out to Rafiki
But like that is as much of a cult of people just propping something up as anything else in the space like it just is
Which is fine. That's not a knock on it. Like let people support what they want to support Rafiki is great
That's not the point. You're missing the point
Okay, the if the point is is that people are shitting on yuga, bro
You go to Instagram and it'll be like a fucking 15 year old kid who's talking about how he's working a side hustle
and like the point is the entire fucking world the Simpsons included are
Making fun of PFPs everything but you do art any kind of blend with digital art
Especially generative or AI art because it's very trendy right now. People love it. They love it in droves
They collaborate with with board ape or any other cartoon NFT people go Ponzi scheme
Yeah, so you're promoting a Ponzi scheme. Hold on. Okay. Alright
I don't really care what the the world thinks because the world used to think that internet was a fad it used to the world
Is your exit liquidity? That's not the way I'm thinking about it though
Like it's not I don't think that's a way that people should be thinking about it
like it who cares want to use the the diminishing supply of people that are in this market in a trading capacity like
Yeah, I think it's just like people are like shitting way too much on one of them one of the most important
Companies in crypto like it you guys a very important company. I don't I don't know if they're gonna be the most successful thing ever
That's not what I'm saying
But like just because some Instagram comments say that it's great
Like they say everything they would say anything in NFTs is cringe not specifically you got hundred percent facts
Like yeah, the comments are not a way to
Get a read on the success in any manner
Like they would probably say that crypto punks are cringe. They think there are people whoa, whoa, whoa
Whoa, what is in cringe is the upcoming game release with Chaz McNasty and NB? I don't know if you
Pretty sure his name isn't Chaz McNasty
Unless you guys have something private you're doing with between you guys, but look
Here's the thing I could care fucking less what the rest of the world thinks that there's people who probably the majority of the world
Would look at a crypto pump and say what is this like pixel Super Mario fucking 1902 graphic?
Like this is not real art. They don't get it. Like why do we why are we trying to can if if they don't get it
I don't have time to try to convince them to get it like that is I think trying to the rest of the world that
This stuff is important is so ridiculous
We need to just do cool shit and the rest of the world will understand like it'll take time
So it's not like I don't give a fuck and there's so many people that think not only board a turk range
They think Azuki's cringe
They think pudgy like imagine you go to like some random person that knows nothing about what we're doing here
And you show them a pudgy penguin you tell them this cost 45 grand
They're gonna be like you're the the biggest idiot in the world. They don't like and you are
They don't get it well, they're not wrong. Well, you can't like think about what the rest of the world things when it suits
The rest of the world doesn't plus
You're your desk here on dial-up. Yeah, you're disconnecting a little bit a little ragging
Okay, I just I removed her all DMR though, all right, let's go to Jen
Go ahead Jen, uh, I was only gonna listen to you not and be pretty small but um
yeah, I just I think like an alternate perspective on the ape thing and
Whatever people couldn't think whatever they want had their own opinions
but I feel like this was one of those weeks where I actually like caught up with a lot of web to people because everyone was
in town for the Grammys and like
They're still people and you know, take all this with a grain of salt
but like there are people that don't exist in web 3 that still think that's cool and still like that is
Their only like metric of web 3 obviously, I don't love that
I think it's more than apes
but I think like our opinions in this bubble versus mainstream are really different and
it's important to acknowledge that sometimes and also like
board apes didn't make a lot of people aware of crypto and I
Think you can't like destroy the few bridges that we have
Yeah, man, look I think I think you guys fighting the good fight trying to do what they can like any company that gets so big
and quote unquote mainstream like people are just gonna hate on them and
Yeah, it's like it's gonna the same thing is gonna happen to to a lot of projects that become that successful
It's not really even a bad thing. Look, I'll throw it over to Chaz Chaz. I don't know why you're
Enabling and be with your fucking I don't know what the hell you guys are working on to stop tagging me in that shit
You're the main character leaf. Oh
What's up, Chaz? But leap I'm gonna ask I'm gonna ask the question. We're all wondering what the hell are you doing in, Virginia? I
Don't think anybody was wondering that to be honest, I think I
Think it was just you. Um, well, I'm just seeing my family. I'm only here till Wednesday and then I'm going back to LA so just
Is that uh, that answer your question? Yeah, we does it we can shut down the space now
It was great talking to you guys
And what is that PFP that shit is so ugly. Um, anyway, how dare you that is?
That was on called for a leap look what you're wearing
You're like you're tweeting the top is in you know, what's not in leap pop hat
Okay, we're going to soul soul. What's up? Which hey, bud. Thank you
And um, this is I'm wanting to start a little like I want to start some like actual little friendly debates
controlled like not insane, uh, and I
Would like to do it like I really I want a preface for saying like I think uh, steve is a dope dope, dude
He says energy seems amazing. Uh, this is an empty park the way I'm talking about like he seems awesome
But I would love to just like actually do a friendly debate with him about like d gen versus regen and the future of
You know, he's not here, right?
I'm talking about doing it on leap space and be
If that if he was interested, no, like i'm just i'm just bringing i'm just bringing forward as a
Proposition just looking to have like more calm spaces
Uh or like talks and like actually far away from that
Yeah, we're looking to nb
I will I mean I you said d gen versus regen. Can you yeah?
Like like i'm I don't know
I took a year off in the space and kind of came back and like honestly regen i've taken over the entire space of the world and I
Like i've just talked to my people around my team and like they're mostly what two people they don't like that
They don't understand that regen or d gen shit
And like my parents and most people i'm not really comfortable
I would I just want to bring up the conversation really of like what we're trying to bring to the general public as like
might see and understand like
I don't I personally just don't think the general public is going to understand degenerate degenerate behavior as well as we are
Who are deep in the space? It's just i'm just i'm just just trying to start a conversation really about
Yeah, because I came back and I was just like wow deejans have really taken over
Okay out of all us adults so three thirty five point one million people
35.1 million of them or 14 plan to plan to bet online
While 13.6 million of people or five percent of them plan to bet at a physical sports book
That's based on like the previous year's numbers as well
93 000 of them still use dial-up internet. That's a real figure
Oh, I don't know what that has to do with anything. Um, the point the point i'm trying to make is like I hear you but
I also think people just want like I genuinely think a lot of people want to gamble and a lot of people do
No, no, it's not about no. No, like it's
Like I actually i'm like pro deejans
Like i'm not like i'm not anti-g gen like I actually like I love the deejans
I think they bring a lot to the space they bring a lot of energy to the space
But it's more i'm more thinking about a long-term brand and like what we are then like what some
People are pushing to general public. It's just it really is just a conversation and it's something
I want to start thinking about like it's not like i'm anti-gene. Uh, it's just
Uh, just something to but what do you mean?
What do you mean? Like i'm not i'm actually just a brand of web3 the brand of crypto brand of like what like when you come up
From bringing it up to somebody and then they just then you start talking about deejans in order or they hear about deejans
Just like my general argument around it is how is somebody moving forward supposed to know who is a good deejan and a bad deejan?
What the fuck is a deejan to you can we establish that exactly no, no, no, actually that's that's like the main thing i'm actually trying to
Start conversing and ask about it's like what is what does a deejan mean to people and what does deejan mean to the space?
And what is yeah, what is what is like?
Because deejan means different things different people and like just to a new person entering the space
They might not they might need a oh, trust me. So
Deejan like i'm just on the art side bro one of one art
It has so many different meanings. You see how that went full circle leap. Okay, so let me say this. Um
So where is the dictionary leap? I told you this when I met you we need a dictionary and it would clear up soul's problem
It's not even a problem. I have it's just like well, it's just I just want to like yeah. No, no
So, can you repeat the deejan part I missed that
No one repeat anything for god's sakes. Jesus christ. Um, there's record space go back and listen to it. Um, look
I don't know if i'm just like at a different point in the way. I think about this now is
I mean like what is the brand of crypto the brand of crypto was people were buying bitcoin to speculate on it
Then they were buying bitcoin to buy drugs online
Then they were buying bitcoin to gamble online
like the degeneracy that exists in crypto now has always been a thing and is actually
Like a driving factor in adoption. It really is
Honestly become very pretentious because we've attached art to what truly is
Their is crypto its tokens and while I see a lot of value in the art and so do many other people
Whether from the identity side the collector side whatever
Like at the end of the day the identity of cryptocurrency has always been just people doing what they want with their money
Surprisingly enough when you don't place restrictions on them to be completely degenerate to use it to buy drugs and to gamble online
Like that has always been to the core of like what people actually use crypto for in an ethos sense
It's a hedge against, you know traditional financial markets. It's this it's that that's the narrative from that perspective
What have people always done with people were buying bitcoin at five dollars and then it would pump 20 percent and they'd sell or go
This has always been a thing. Yeah, it's now
If you it's just much if you're just talking about nft's a dgen is a dude who sits in a discord
And he'll just go straight to blue and see volume and buy it
There's a dgen one of his homies has been like buy this he won't even look into it and he'll buy it. That's a full
Nft dgen and i'm sure people are doing it on that. Nobody right now i'm buying the top man
We as like a community for the most part again
I've become like very pretentious because we tie these things to our identity and we
Like it's like you're fusing it with social media and like social media is you it's your basically online resume
It's where you interact with a lot of your friends things like that. And because they've become one
A lot of people are like, oh we're
A lot of people don't want to admit to themselves that there's a level of degeneracy and gambling that exists here that they participate in
And they just don't want like it's hard for them to acknowledge
They don't want to admit that yuga's gonna implode either
I I don't know what the hell that has to do with anything. Um, and I think that's what the whole point of what we're talking about
I think you're completely missing the point. So go ahead. I I know I I completely agree with like everything you're saying now
I just I come I guess I when you use every this the the terms of everyone is a little
Dangerous because like I also like worked for like a tokenomics company for a while where they
frames to figure out how to create like cohesive cooperative teams and then create like, um
Like one of the projects was to create and buy land to replant
trees and build a self-standing
Like society using blockchain and entities and crypto. So it's just not all of us are really
Dejans all the time and not all of us move as dejans
There's some people really actually building beautiful beautiful things in the space and just
It's more i'm just trying to think and talk and think about some of the other
People who aren't as allowed because they're busy building amazing beautiful things
Like i'm a huge fan of like power ledger and been investing in that project for a long time
That's down in australia and that's basically just decentralized solar exchange allowing anybody to
Sell the excess solar energy that they've accumulated
Back to the grid at a controlled price or to anybody really who's on the system
It's just little things like that that i'm just like are not
Dejan and I just i'm just I just want to bring the conversation up really
Are you gonna play the leap game
So a lot of nobody's gonna play that game. So, um
I mean look a lot of people are I mean like exactly you said there's people building legitimate things
So you're a farcaster. I was shitting on forecaster just because I didn't want to like try another social media
I finally looked into it. It's pretty cool and it's getting a lot of attraction, too
Um, so there are like legitimate things that people there's a lot of deep end stuff even like helium was pretty interesting
I don't know if it's going to be successful or not, but it's super interesting
But at the end of the day
Like you have to look at like what?
Has gotten the most use case and we'll scale it all the way back to the early days of bitcoin. Look at satoshi dice
So she dies was like one of the main things that people were using bitcoin for back then to fucking gamble
And somebody said this in a tweet the other maybe it was on a space or in a comment on one of our spaces
It has completely changed the way I think about it and I genuinely believe this now
Speculation and degenerate gambling secures the network and provides a baseline for legitimate builders to build on top of like you need
Like I know it sounds fucking insane, but it's it's true. Like look at salona
What is the majority of use case on salona right now?
It's people gambling on jupiter and that's it's made evident by the fact that they even understand that
That's why they're doing the lfg launchpad, which is basically a launchpad for for shit coins
and like they they totally understand what people are using this stuff for and
Because there's now so much liquidity on salona. There's billions of dollars in dextrading volume
There's incentive now for legitimate builders to come over and build real shit
But without that liquidity, there's not an incentive for them to do so
So it's like we can sit here all day and hate on the degeneracy, whatever whatever
But once you understand that that provides the baseline the liquidity the attraction the conversation for people to build on top of
That's when you stop hating the degeneracy and not embracing it, but rather just understanding it and I think that's for it
I hope you know, I didn't I wasn't trying I like I wasn't trying to hit on degeneracy
I like I did preface and say like it's a big part of the space and it's super important like I don't
Other and new people coming into the space
like I would love to get my parents into the space and I just
Don't imagine them understanding this really ever the degenerate. I just
Again, like I hate and I yeah, I just want to say like i'm not anti-degener
I love the degens and it's like some of the funnest times it's something degenerate is but it's just yeah
No, no, i'm not i'm not saying you're anti-degen at all, but the expectation that people
Need to understand every act like
Look at crypto just even just like just crypto as a whole
I work in the like the nft side the culture side of web3
And now I work for an infrastructure company doing development things like that
There are people on the complete opposite side of things that have no
Clue like I was talking to some people that they're really big on the infra side big brains devs all this stuff
They never heard of degons
Like imagine telling somebody in any twitter space like that hasn't heard of degot like that
They haven't even heard of it
But yet they're so involved and they actually have a ton of money and they've been successful all this like that's the point crypto
Is it's very wide. What's very what chain have these people been on?
D gods has been on every chain by now
I'm not i'm not i kid you not this was at a nev party like an mev focus party in breakpoint amsterdam a salona conference
With salona people and that breakpoint 2g
I'm i'm not even kidding like I know it sounds ridiculous
But there are so many people doing so many different things in crypto that it's not hard
It's hard. Yeah, no, it's hard to like, you know, it's hard to stay informed if your head's down like yeah
There's so much you miss in reality like imagine you're just like imagine even reddit is your main crypto discussion platform
Dude, like they don't talk about any of the shit that we talk about like it's a completely different world of things
Or let's say telegram is your main place and you're basically only buying shit coins that you find in telegram
Like you may not even ever hear of the things that we're doing here
And some people straight up just on linkedin too
Yeah, yeah, linkedin whatever it is. So I um, like I was talking to my parents about about crypto last night and um,
I'm trying to give my parents a bunch of crypto because I don't want my fucking
Parents to work anymore and like i'm trying to like get them to retire right now
So my mom could spend more time with my dad that type shit and like they can't understand like
Dude, it's like so far disconnected and it's and it's fine
Like I used to get very frustrated with it and I'm like this is totally fine
Like they they don't need to understand what this stuff is. Um, and I actually think that it'll take
decades for most people to understand and if right now
People like hear about crypto and they think it's all gambling degeneracy. That's like totally fine, dude
We have etfs getting approved. We have blackrock buying a shit ton
We have fucking the happening in 75 days
What will bring people to this is price going up and that's that's totally fine
And what here's the thing also I said this the other day in the space i'll say it again here
It might be a hot take I do not give a shit about a million people onboarding to crypto
I think it's a complete waste of time to even think about what I care about more is a hundred people
I would rather have ten people onboard that are like legitimate that are interested and could potentially stick here around for the long term
And build something rather than bring a million people and I don't give a shit about that
Like I genuinely don't and you know what brings in people and a lot of them end up saying is the degenerate side of crypto
Like there are you because you know who the degenerate stuff attracts people
One who are gamblers, okay, but two people who are very risk
Like tolerant they have a huge risk tolerance
The people that have massive risk tolerance come to crypto understand the opportunity and start taking big risks
A lot of them blow out they lose their money they get deleted fine
But a lot of them also stay
And I and I wish that there were studies to see how many people actually came in
Based on the degeneracy or just wanting to make money and then stayed because they're like, hey, there's a lot more here than just
I don't know. I think that's like a fucking beautiful thing. And yeah, I
If I could design a perfect world, I would love people to join crypto based on decentralization
And ethos and a hedge against financial systems and taking down the banks like that would be ideal
But it's just not the world we live in
And if people need to come in based on gambling and end up staying because of that
I think that's actually kind of a good thing
But I also believe that many people will get totally wrecked become addicted and lose all their money. It is not a
Win-win scenario. It's definitely like win-lose
And a lot of people will lose and unfortunately that's kind of the price we have to pay and liquidity
Anything you do like will always focus to a singular point
And same with liquidity the idiots the gamblers the people who don't know how to manage their stuff in this space or operate will lose
All their money and that liquidity will end up with either ruggers scammers or legitimate builders one of the three
I don't know. Maybe i'm looking at this. Maybe it sounds very pessimistic
But I actually think that's pretty good
Because then it gives legitimate builders a way to come in here and make money and then build cool shit
At yeah, people lose money and it'll be at the expense of others
but like dude, this is pvp in the most intense sense and um
I think that like trying to believe that it's anything besides that is is probably not the right move
Also, I got a shout out our sponsor gaiman.io shout out to them for sponsoring this space for the month
Um, it it I mean, it's amazing. They're actually sponsoring quite a few spaces
Um, and it helps creators continue to create as well. So shout out to gaiman
Um, i'll actually pin something up here to the top for them in a moment i'll throw it over to emlo emlo
What's up i'm really happy for your game leap, I think chas and no are doing a really good job
Um, you definitely shouldn't knock them even though they're tagging you a lot every time for dead
But like they keep adding new characters. I think it's pretty dope. The other thing I was going to say is that
Have you been watching what's going on with doodles?
So I know I have the g-shock, uh collab and um, that's pretty cool. I like g-shock
That's all I really know about what I like doodles that i'm a fan
I don't know. I think they're one of those companies that have like very strong ip that
like from a very strong artist
That actually has a very strong community as well and a very strong war chest and I own zero doodles
Just like from the sidelines. It is
Pretty clear that like they have been building this entire time
So like I know mac and solar here probably could speak better on that front
But I just wanted to know what you thought of that
Yeah, I mean i've been a fan of doodles probably since I came i've always talked positively about doodles
I think I think just like any other even like me i've made a ton of mistakes
I think anybody in the space has made mistakes and they haven't made the right choice every single time
But I still believe and I said this in our previous space that doodles
I don't know if it's top three or top two, but have a crypto fund is number one for me
But in terms of generative pfp identity-based nft art, I think doodles are like literally
I mean it's s tier and it's the best of the best
Um, I know some people like what was it? Um, we were talking about was it thread? Oh, it was in thread space when I said this
um, and I know some people disagree but like
To me the art's never been in question
Um, i'll throw it over to to mac. Mac. What do you think?
Um, oh shit, i'll get out of this room my baby's screaming over there
Uh, emlo you certainly making me sound like i'm in the show now because I put this pfp on
Yeah, no doodles are crushing bro. They
Pondering away in the background. Um, obviously
Leveraging all their connections and dropping cool stuff. I mean the g-shot watch isn't
Isn't the like the biggest thing in the world, but it's still cool
I think people are vibing it a lot of people like watches, you know collectibles and whatnot. So it's definitely a cool thing
Um, the animation studio is what what made me, you know pick one up. I've always loved doodles
I missed the whitelist. I entered the raffle and subducts way back in the day
Missed out and a lot of the homies
Yeah, no, they they've actually brought an animation studio outright and the whole team that come with it
And if you go on their instagram, you can sort of check out
um what they've just been doing and working on and growing that side of things and
I'd expect eventually they're just gonna
Drop the animation they're working on and it's gonna melt faces and maybe we'll see like a pudgy sort of breakout
Maybe people have moved on at that point from nft's who knows it could be a while out
But yeah 100 agree doodles. Is there a catalyst?
Is there a catalyst to it pumping right now because it I feel like in the past two weeks. It's mega pumped
Like what pudgies did for the space is pretty pretty epic man
Like the way they've broken out they were at three eight three point two eath
I was diamond handing a captain at that point a mean land captain and I was seriously thinking about trading into three pudgies
I didn't do it rookie kicking myself
Um, and a few of my friends did
And these things just broke out
And it just proved the nft's can come back. They can do crazy things
And the bear market was the bear market
And the potential is still here for us to just see these huge
Absolutely insane breakouts where people make a lot of money
So like the fact that that happened with pudgies, I think people's eyes turn to
The other og projects and like if you're looking for ip like I personally like doodles ip better than pudgies
I mean i've picked this guy up and intend on just you know, this is my ip now
And um, I think a lot of people were sort of watching doodles the whole way down to the bottom at bottomed at 1.2
I know a few homies who jumped in I was sort of watching it waiting to see what it was going to do
I thought it might come back down again, and then I thought you know what fuck it
I'm just going to buy one now and and chill on it fairly confident
You know when they continue to deliver it's just going to continue to rise and eventually have this huge breakout
So I think that literally I think looking at pudgies
Seeing what they've done and seeing that it's still possible is probably why doodles are going to
Have this pump maybe mellow out a bit and then people will continue to enter because they're scared of missing out
so also something people need to remember is
Like these things are like very low supply with low amount lists
I mean fucking doodles have 3 listed right now if I just did the math
I think if 80 eth was used to sweep which is like what 160 grand
Ton of money to me, but not a lot for crypto or nfts the floor price would jump 0.5 would be at three
it's not going to take that much for these things to move especially when they're in the two eth range and um
There's been like true believers that have been just slowly accumulating and the amount listed just goes down every single day
Also, doodles have one of the best distributions in the space at 56
5,000. Oh, hey, the other thing I forgot to say my wife's just like chopping up dinner right now
She's like I walk out there. She's like what?
You could have got you could have got three of those penguins that were 20 eth. I'm like, yeah
Yeah, don't talk to me about it. But um, the other thing that's happening with doodles
That's crazy is there's this there's this lady who's just come in
Her name her i'll i'll find a tweet and i'll pin it up. But um
Blown something she's like
An insane grail sniper like the bull run grail sniper
But right now like she's out here
But she brought a cat doodle for 50 eth and then the same day did like 10 eth by
5 eth by 16 eth by and just come in and just has been dominating the grail
I think that alone was enough to bring the vibe up for the doodles like the community's just popping off around this
This one chick just coming in and absolutely just
Cleaning up the grails man. It's it's it's been insane. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it since dang. I don't even know
Yeah, another thing, um, and I think doodles do not get enough credit for this as well as the space doodles
Um, so a lot of people don't even know the space doodles exist because they never get posted
They're not separate nfts and they're bound to the original token
Like it it is legitimately some of the best art that's been created for a pfp project
Um, the animation is incredible and they just no one even talks
They go to openc right now and go look at space doodles. The floor price is not going to make sense
It says 8.5 eth and best offer 1.9, but that's because they're tied to the original tokens
And they're fucking amazing like you basically get a two for one
I don't know if that was the best decision at the time
They probably could have made more liquidity and you know
The thing with doodles in a big difference between doodles and a lot of other projects is doodles holders did not make money
If you just here's the thing if you held your board ape since mint
And you round tripped the entire thing
You made money on apes or on the mutants on the vials. You made money on dogs ape coin and sewer pass
Fucking heavy metal like you made money so many different ways. Even if you round tripped
If you uh, here's another example cool cats cool cats had cool pets and the milk token
So even if you round tripped cool cats, you probably could have made money on the other assets
They were selling for a bunch if you round trip d gods you could have sold your utes and your dust
If you round trip, oh you were eating off the ponzi
Yeah, if you if you were um azuki if you round tripped azuki
You still could have gotten beans and and sold it like there many of these bigger projects that we look at
Dump into their community in the sense where the community could pull out money without selling the main asset doodles never had that
Doodles had basically these boxes at one point like the pharrell collab and things like that
But that was that was it and it wasn't a lot. So because the space doodles were tied to their initial token
Holders were like I remember it back then holders were like what the fuck?
We can't even like get liquidity out of this like we we got another piece of art
But we can't even sell it
To because of that a lot of people were like oh the culture within this project is they're not going to give us a shit
Ton of airdrops and there's no point to hold which is the reason a lot of people hold anything
Look at the rsic things on bitcoin
A lot of people are holding mad lads right now because one they believe that there's going to be a token which I also believe
And two all the airdrops that happen on salona will be distributed to mad lads as well
The same way that all airdrops on on uh on bitcoin are being distributed to ombs and node monkeys
We're in a meta right now and bitcoin puppets
Do you reckon that that kind of like adds to the cool aspect of like people who buy doodles?
Because you're like you're straight up buying it for this for the the old school nft vision like buying it because you like it
It's probably not going to return you anything other than you just like doodles
The you know, the ip is going to do its thing and if it goes up it goes up
But you know, you're not buying something for a token like if i'm gonna buy something for a token
I'm gonna i'm gonna look for a project and you don't want cool ip
You just want something you're not attached to you're just gonna dumb that shit the moment it drops the token, you know
So I feel like it kind of makes it cool that people are out here spending 50 eighths on a doodle cat
And she knows that it's just for the ip like it's pretty wild
No, I mean, I definitely think it's more pure and um, you don't dilute the collection
But that's why this new meta is so interesting in which like the meta is now shifting instead of board apes
Airdropping a bunch of their own shit to their holders, which ends up diluting the collection because there's just a lot more assets
Whether it's dilutive or not is up for debate
But there's a lot more assets within the yugit ecosystem to go around
The new meta is basically what pudgies are doing and what mad lads are doing which is you don't create more nfts
You just get token airdrops from big protocols and you give them to your community
So your community gets a liquidity dump they don't have to sell their assets and you don't have to sell
You don't have to mint anything new that is the new meta
It is going to be so it's already popular and it's going to be that's going to be the standard in my opinion
Like a standard roadmap feature within the next year and a half for nft projects is going to be
The founders working their ass off to go source drops for their community
It's similar to like what alpha passes would do where like they're just sourcing allow lists for their community now
It's strictly drops and because and I can tell you this
I'm telling you there are so many fucking internal like rounds and angel rounds and seed rounds and like people are not even fucking reading
term sheets that just tell us where to send the usdc and they're sending it that like the amount of
Opportunities that are being passed around right now is
Now I don't have like infinite liquidity to buy all these things so I can I have to be like kind of
More selective with what i'm doing. Um, but
Yeah, I mean there's so many things. There's so many fucking protocols
Even now I see people like are launching like point systems or fucking tokens on the far caster network
However that work like there's gonna be so many things like that
Um, but I want to throw to lucifer lucer you did raise your hand. What's up?
Well, did you sort of going on this tangent and I can put what were you talking about before you started talking about fucking farcaster
Oh airdrops airdrops, okay, okay. Um, so yeah, dude one of the biggest things about like
All right, now we got that out of the way for us to uh, he fp that's all i'll say I just removed him go ahead lou
Uh, yeah, man, so like there's a lot of cool
Collections that I feel like are gonna try to sort of incentivize with this sort of big flashy thing
Like oh we're gonna get all these airdrops for you
Um, don't believe the bullshit the reason that mad lads is getting these fucking
airdrops and protocols is because armani used to literally work for salona labs and has so many direct associations within the ecosystem
Tensorians as well. They're like directly associated to the tensor marketplace
Like these people are directly associated with protocols on salona
Not every project like I do just want to say that like be very hesitant when you see that on a road map
Because that should just be a perk
No one should be using that as a value proposition for buying their project like there should be no
Some random nft project is going to get a token allocation from some random token like that
Is no reason to give someone money. That's just my personal take
So if like a random fucking d-gen mint on like mint my nft comes up and starts promising
You know the next round of jupiter airdrops. Yeah, definitely not
Um, but what I do think it's really good for is and you made a good point about armani
Just you know being within the salonica ball
Like that is a huge positive if the founder of the project is heavily connected to
The ecosystem in a much deeper way than just twitter. Yeah, dude, that is huge
And I think it's a great way also to hold people over while you build because at the end of the day
Like I I feel like i'm being more pessimistic tonight, but maybe it's just more realistic
People need the price to be going up
Even if it's slowly over a long period of time or they're gonna fud like it doesn't matter what you're fucking building
It like look at doodles now doodles went up, you know double the price still down 80 of all time high
But because they're up to the price in like the last month and a half people are bullish again
Like is there any difference in what do no one cares about utility? It's all a fucking it's all bullshit
We just want to see number go up everyone has financial
Incentivization to see their projects that they don't go up
If you think that there's anything more than just the number going up
I think everyone's full of shit like don't get me wrong community blah blah blah blah blah
But at the end of the day if we all get liquidated and this shit goes to zero we're all gonna be fucking pissed off
Look, let me let me disagree with you more
I am not here for the money. I don't give a fuck about the money
No way like I I hear you but there's no way you don't give a fuck about the money
Like there's no I really don't know dude
No, every cent goes to the project every cent goes to building everything
You're yeah, but the thing is you're not building for free out there right like no i'm building off my own money
But yeah, like I would be I would be super sad if my money went to went to zero
But I would be still be here building and I wouldn't care if my doodle went to zero
I'd still be holding. I don't care if they get us
That my friends would call delusion
Wait, wait, um or an artist
Okay, so I I hear I definitely hear you sold there are artists that like strictly like they just want to create and and all
But like at the end of the day the money does like money does make the world go around and allows you to 100
100 is just i'm just saying it's not why i'm here. I'll hold my doodle until if it's zero
Okay, no, and I definitely respect that I mean I did the same thing with my pfp obviously mine is much cheaper
Um, so yours is zero dollars. It's not it's like 0.02. Okay, it's and by the way, you guys are sleeping
And um at one point we're gonna wake up and this pfp is
20 bucks, which is double than where it is now, but
With the point i'm trying to make is
I like what are you trying to make bro?
I don't even know to be honest. I'm just riffing. Um
I try to think of the points. That's why I was like, here's the thing
I'm about to say listen to this and I just say things until I come up with something
Um, but well, the point is here leap
The point is basically is that sure there's a lot of people who don't care about the money in the sense that if their pfp
Is go to zero they have a deeper attachment to it
It's like fine, but like in a more general broader sense
I mean it is literally called cryptocurrency. It is literally
And uh, it's different forms of money
But it's it's money these things have inherent values to it and if doodles went to zero tomorrow
Well, you personally wouldn't maybe like it wouldn't matter as much. There's a lot of people
I'm just saying I got in here mostly off of render network not
cryptocurrency, I mostly got here off of
decentralized computing decentralized
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Which by the way, I don't really even know what that means i'm gonna be entirely honest with you
I don't we'll go to the hands. We'll go to the hands chasmic nasty. What's happening? What do you think?
Leap I want to go back to your your onboarding topic. Uh, what kind of what kind of coins are you you shilling to your parents?
Dude, if I try to tell them that like
These coins they wouldn't understand like listen mom and dad bonk is the future of finance and I show them like a picture of a dog
But uh, look mom, it has a hat. Do you not is dog with hat? Okay. Do you understand?
Leap do you live on a farm bro?
I have like this when you're back home
I just picture you like out in the middle of the fucking country on the farm
Like living out in the middle of fucking nowhere churning butter. I really picture you made it out
The made it out the fucking bum fuck middle and no where and now you're in la
Do you just live in a fucking suburb in virginia like a normal ass person?
Because that's really gonna ruin everything for me. I will um
I can video chat you tomorrow and like show you it's like horses and fucking hay bale
Before we get to out of hand i'm a dip soon anyway, but um, whoever was saying like buying shit only for the money too
Bro, you you see people out here leveraging your ip and their communities all the time and definitely like solid communities people who you've got networks with
I've been around here for three and a half years
You can get like solid white lists from the people you're around and you can mint projects and you can you know
Get good information about stuff
And the pfp may go to zero, but you might stay for the network
I mean a lot of the homies over at gutter cats was still around there and they were still crushing that through that
Yeah, their cats weren't worth 10 eth anymore
But the the vibe was still fairly good for like a server that's just full of dgens
Um still trading nft. So like yeah, it's not
For me personally, it's definitely not just about the money
Like if I make a huge bag on something i'll buy an nft. I like and i'll just like be like, okay
I'm buying this. I don't care what happens to it
But if you like feeding your own money into it from fiat like taking your paycheck then definitely it's all about the money
I and people might hate me for saying this because I used to be like much more
Okay, first, let me preface it by saying this lu
Do you have it and maybe you just need like super plug in are you interacting with strictly?
Like plano specific groups within this like are you doing like clean up to big things?
Or dude, I don't even fucking talk to any of the climate source. I just got it
That's what I okay. So this is the point i'm trying to make we have actually fill fill one of the founders the other twin
Not cab he's like the only person I talk to like we were shit coining together and that's like about it
Okay, well shout out to that
But this is the point i'm trying to make is that we've shifted from these internal project
Focused communities to and by not saying they don't exist
They definitely exist, but we've shifted to a much more generalized open community, which I actually think is much better
you lose some of this exclusive club nature that existed in 2021, but like it's fine they're like
It's totally fine that that's the way and that's why when people are like holding my specific pfp for the community
I'm like you're telling me if you didn't have that pfp you'd lose those friends
No, you you definitely would not and you probably could have still made those friends even without the pfp
Because twitter is just like that's the way it works
Like you think you're gonna be someone at an irel event because you don't have the same pfp they're not going to talk to you
It's not how this shit works like maybe initially there were like like let's say crypto punks or even proof pass was a great example
Of this you had like this exclusive
Thousand unit paths or only that you know the highest tier art collectors all this thing
They get all these alpha alpha stuff and and allow whatever fine and that shit still exists like
Anyway, this was the second point i'm gonna make and people might hate me for this but this is genuinely how i feel nowadays
I'm no longer gonna say that i'm here for decentralization or ethos or community
You know what i'm here for at this point in time
To make as much fucking money as like a stupid disgusting amount of money as much as much as much as possible
Run it up as high as possible
You know why because the more money I have the more that I can do and then I can actually build the shit
I want to build. I am no longer here to like bullshit and
Vibes and this no i'm here to run it the fuck up
I'm talking so if you want to sponsor leap's show reach out to my dms and we'll get you sorted my 10 retainer and yeah
Price is going up. I'm hey lee just just make sure that you keep your hand your eye on that
All right, don't be falling to the no spf behavior, right
I literally don't take Adderall
I took Adderall in the morning. I'm just I'm just putting here. I'm just kidding, right?
I do smoke weed and drink alcohol, but no Adderall. Um, but
That was the point like I think that people should be like i've completely shifted my focus and um
Maybe this after just like talking to some people recently and just how i'm thinking about it
But it's like you should be here to make and obviously make friends and have fun and vibes and community
Like that stuff should not be thrown away. And I love that part of crypto too
but like at the end of the day i'm getting older every day and
I like I said it the other day on this face if the next two years pass and all I have is like
A million or two million dollars in the bank or or like whatever. Oh, that's all you have
Dude, it's if then you're telling me if you go through the biggest super cycle that ever existed
And the only thing that you have is like a million or two million dollars and you didn't fucking
Like set your legacy and like do something big
It's not that you failed and that may be your ambitions
But like there is a there's a dude there's a level of opportunity here that I don't think people are fully grasping what it is
Like it is massive and once you make a lot of money
You can then do shit like i've always had this idea in my head
I'm probably never gonna do this but it's always an idea i've had
And and the idea was like, okay
What if there was a dal and it was called like i'm not doing this
But it's like what if there's a dal and it was called cancer dal and was strictly focused on like pooling as much
Fucking crypto money billions of dollars together to like put towards cancer research
Like that is that's the sort of shit that's like or like the decentralized science stuff
I don't know if you guys have been keeping up with that
But there's a huge amount going on with this dude. Fuck you. You made me after your space
I went on like a two-hour fucking decentralized science little youtube bender
Decentralized science is lit, but like no, it's not a lot of desire
It's i'm telling you it's like so like that is this stuff where it's like you run it up
You make as many commas in your bank account as possible and you start using that money to change the game
And like move it in the like not the big fucking vcs not the fucking banks not black rock not any of these fuckers
It's about people who are native to crypto that understand why we're here
That's why that's why we have the advantage because we are here every single day. We're rocking doodles. We're rocking clean
I was like we're here because we fuck with this
So you run it up as much as possible
You make millions of dollars and then you build cool shit that helps people that is the point
It is no longer just about vibes community this and that like you make the most out of the time you have here because
like i'm thinking about like and
I my focus on this has changed too because I you know, I got home
And I was in virginia in november and my dad was like really sick then as well. Obviously
But now it's like a thousand times worse. It's like the the cancerous problems with lungs and the tumors everywhere and all this shit. So
He's probably like two like probably like two three months left some shit like that. That's why i'm
Like i'm thinking now it's like it it's fucking go time
Like it is actually go time to do as much as you can as fast as you can in an ethical way
And it's like people need to stop wasting their time like thinking about this or that or like is this ethos?
Is this not ethos you run it up? That's all I can say. Yeah, I totally agree with you
I totally agree. It's just like yeah, it's just you can do that privately and like just just run out
You're not being bad privately
We don't just like think you don't have to flex on the timeline. Like I yeah, no 100 percent. No
I wasn't even like that. It was just like yeah, but I am with you man. It is go kind of sucking. Let's go
It's fucking it's it's go time dude. It's go time. Look i'll throw it over to sky sky. What's up?
Um, first of all, I love the energy in this room. So shout out to the energy you guys are put on a pretty good show
So appreciate you bringing me up and bringing up this subject
A couple of things I wanted to bring up real quick. Um
So the deed and I come I wrote a comment
Um about this on this space here below so you can check it out. But the deejin aspect
I think it's I think it's huge. I think it's great
I can I just picture like going into a casino and just seeing rows and rows of slots with rows and rows of old people
Young people whatever just enjoying life, you know, they got their quarters and they're spending
Um now they can go to a show they can go to a restaurant they can go to
You know a gift shop or whatever. It's its whole ecosystem. So think of a casino as like a salana
You know or an ethereum or another l1 blockchain where you can just build a bunch of stuff on it
So so that aspect I like and I like the deejin aspect because it at the end of the day
You know people are looking to game and they want to have fun and they want to spend some money
Um, you know, are you going to have the people that spend a whole bunch?
But for the most part everybody's just going to be doing what people do when they go to casinos and just you know
Spending what they can't what they can afford to lose
Um, so that's what I like about deejin and it'll just bring the masses in because everybody wants to get that dopamine hit
Everybody wants to gamble and you know and you can't I mean you can put 200 dollars into something and it could go
You know, so it's very real it happens and if it happens to you a couple times, you know
You gotta watch out because you know
You'll start to think that you can do it all the time and then you end up losing
Because you start thinking it's just going to keep going up. But anyway, that's a whole different space
uh, as far as the nft goes
I don't like to say at the end of the day. It's all about the money
Um, because I like to say at the end of the day
It really is about the community and the network because if you buy something that's too good, you're on polygon
It's never going to be about the money over there. I got I got you. I got you. I mean here check it out. Um
Uh, what is it? Uh pudgy penguins
you you get involved with something like that and
You develop a family type relationship even if you're not doing that
The nft that you have can do a couple of things
It can go from 2 to 20 and now you got generational wealth
Especially if you bought 10 of them from the floor, you know when they were, you know, an ether something
And then boom, you know, they go up you sell a bunch you make a bunch of money
You keep your forever one and you stay with the community
Or you can sell it. The community is not going to kick you out
But the nf the deejang crypto side is to make money get your money get your money get your money
The nft side is the community is the network. It's is the ip
is sometimes the forever nft
um, and then the and then so that that's just my take on that but
lastly, I did I like I like what you were saying leap getting rewards but not from
Not from like cheesy coins like I like l1 layers. Like let's just say solano
Solana sees that an nft project is good. It's it's been a while and it's and it's leading the way, right?
Solana will then give you tokens for holding your nft to keep the project going keep you on solana
The l1 gives it to you. You get an l1 token like a solana token or an ethereum or whatever, right?
So the the the l1 supports the good instead devises you to keep your nft
By giving you some of the coins. I also like staking
Whatever whatever platform you're on if you're on ethereum you stake your nf you stake your
Whatever whatever nft you buy you get ethereum if it's a good project that is sponsored by the actual whatever
And and and then lastly just upon what uh your decentralization
Because we can channel the money and put it to whatever we want
Just like just like these influencers can create like, you know hundreds of millions of dollars for a mean coin
You can do the same thing for whatever you want
Cancer whatever, you know, so we can come together, you know
Pull a bunch of money and do it ourselves with the whole decentralization thing. So um, yeah a lot of good things
Yeah, I agree and like they they all go hand in hand
Maybe I need to be a little bit less sensationalist as i'm speaking on this stuff
Like definitely the community and the vibes all of that does go hand in hand with your ability to
Actually even like be profitable in the space for the most part
But um, I I don't see like and let me know what you guys think about this. I'm not seeing as much
Stuff as opposed to more like generalized. Hey, we're all in crypto
We're all in nfts like obviously there are still projects and still probably community focus group chats
Like what it there was a point in time where like I felt like if you had a pfp
There were like projects where they didn't fuck with anybody else unless they
Were the same pfp or the same nft whatever?
and um that has pros and cons to it obviously it feels more exclusive more like
I don't know like more like cultural internally
Um, but it's I don't know. It's not really as much anyway
I think we might leave let me just say this if a mutant apes has the same pfp, right?
That's worth. Let's just say it's worth sixty thousand dollars
That mutant ape has the same pfp on it on x for three years
has a hundred thousand followers
That that's it. That's like the that's like the power of an ip
That that that pfp now has control over a lot of has a lot of influence in the space
So they can move 500 600 people to do whatever, you know, and then the more you build that that familiarity
Now you're like your own business like I can name a couple of mutant apes or board apes where like everybody knows them
They're back behind yuga behind the brand. It's a brand. They are a brand
They could put out something and be sponsored like that's why the g-shock and the pudgy penguins going into walmart
It's like I feel like honestly, I feel like cool cats is next
I feel like cool cats is the next one to go or at least another opportunity
So, you know you get you get three or four cool cats now at two three eth or whatever or even a bunch of other ones
It's now proven that they can go to 20 eth
You know, and if it's if it's similar to it, then why wouldn't why wouldn't that go too as well?
You know, so it's that I feel like it's also that bridge
The web two companies are going to be looking for established nft communities to grip on to
To pull them into the pull the web to the pull g-shock into web three, you know
So everybody kind of knows it. So, um, that's probably why this space is sponsored, you know, because they want web two wants
So they're going to use everything that's established and known not to be a rug and to be valid and to be popular
And that's what they're going to put their name with so that they can have their little entrance
Well, I mean look, I mean what you're describing is the alignment of incentives that's to me the sexiest thing about
like you can much easily much more easily actually
Coordinate and organize your community within an nft because it's let's say you have a 50 distribution. You have five thousand people
It's much more manageable than let's say like shiba that has 1.5 million wallets that hold it
Right. So I was talking to a founder yesterday on the phone
I'm not gonna say which one but one that you guys know and um
You know, we were just chatting it was late at night and he was telling me
He's like the most powerful thing about like what we have going is not our floor prize
Not this and not that it's that we have thousands of people that are aligned with the ethos of this brand
And as a brand as we continue to push these things that we believe in these thousands of people will support it
We have this baseline community that is like when we say community vibes, whatever
It really just means it's an aligned group of people that are working towards a common goal
The problem is that right now that common goal is interpreted as floor price and value in terms of a dollar amount
But that common goal should really be looked at as influence
As momentum and it's only looked at that floor line price when it's low
Once you establish the pudgy penguins floor and the board apes floor that no longer is in the conversation now
You go from a community of just people that you chill with on x to nationwide brands and billion dollar market caps
You see it's like it's like leveling up and the pudgy penguin just leveled up, you know
They're they're now where the board apes are, you know
Who's going to be the next two weeks nft collection that levels up and whoever that is, you know by the floor by by ten of them
You know what I mean because that's where that generational wealth comes in
So here's some I mean 100 agree. Here's some just rough numbers
If you have five thousand holders
And they're buying power is 10 grand because you've brought them 10 grand worth of value when maybe it's airdrops
Maybe it's allow it like something they're buying power is 10 grand
Those five thousand holders have a combined buying power of 50 million dollars
That is not a small amount of money. Is it enough to change the world like immediately? No
The like that's what the power is here is like you have a small
Aligned group of people that have a lot of buying power that can move things have momentum and have influence
That's the way in my opinion founders should be looking at their communities is like how much can we actually influence with these people?
like how can we move things in the direction that we want to move them even
On a much higher level like whether it's just like crypto legislation or fucking
Just the idea of proliferating ip and putting that back in individuals hand like a lot of ways to look at it. Go ahead lou
Yeah, man, I just think it's like one of the things is that like that was the narrative back in 21 so like
I don't know and we've seen brands come to this space and just not do it successfully. So I just
I don't know. It's hard to execute web 3 just moved so different than a traditional business
I mean, it's gonna be hard to pinpoint who's gonna do it. Exactly. I'm not gonna show my bags right now
It's just hard to pinpoint who's actually gonna do this because it's gonna be up to the community and like web 2 participants to decide
That was one of the things about pudgies is like their gif exposure and just what pudgy penguins are
Is just so welcoming to a wide audience of people regardless if you're in web 3 or not
So I think they have maybe it doesn't have to be but I think it's more likely than not going to be a native
Because I mean I could point to 20 different examples of big big web whether it was hello kitty
Whether it was nickelodeon whether it was game of thrones
The matrix had nfts. What else? What other big end of like web 2 shit was there?
there were a lot like big big IPs and
none of those were successful because
It's too corporate like they're coming at it from a perspective of like they're trying to like make a product and sell it where
There's a lot of native brands in crypto that just of course
They want to make money and sell shit too, but they just like genuinely fuck with the vibe and they're a part of it
So I just it's going to be somebody native to web 3 and I also think there's probably a project out there right now
That's under a thousand dollars that in the next year will be like 20 grand plus. I don't know what that project is
But it's something there's like a time like and this is a big fault that I
critique myself as well as other spaces hosts for
And it's because I don't know a lot of people are free to shill or support things that are small
But like we only talk about the top buy products talk about pudgies asukis d gods, you know in salon
Tensorians mad lads cleanos this and that but there's like
And it's hard to identify which ones are gonna stick around and which ones are real and which ones are not
Yeah, even looking at um, even looking at the top training charts right now. There's a bunch of new projects here that are doing. Okay
Um, like tension is this new anime thing and and there's rosentica, which is also another anime
Like there's a bunch of these anime things. I don't hold any of them. Maybe one of them ends up being big who knows
Like there's a cura owns them all
Well, I mean I think of the anime people in general probably own them all um
And you know and an nft community has to start from somewhere, you know
It has to have a florida has to it has to have a genesis, you know, it's did you know an nft doesn't nft
Project doesn't come out and go straight to 20 eth
So that's my pushback in saying that community does matter initially
Until you get to that point to where it's just a whole brand and everybody just knows the brand like nike
What you stand for because at the end of the day, too
Web two web two companies that do want to come in and do want to you know
Throw a lot of liquidity into the space are going to only want to partner with
Nft collections that have a known brand, you know that kind of align with what they want to align with and and have the same values
So, um, and and then are you gonna you know, what makes an nft project go up, you know, it's the community
It's the leaders. It's what their splits what they stand for
Um, and and it just keeps growing and growing and then it's like, okay
This is starting to become a real deal
And like one that i've seen recently that i've seen that I like
That I feel like has all the different all the qualities that you need to get to that 20 eth floor
Uh is quirkies. I like that. I like it's you know
It's maybe like one point nine or two weeks the last time I checked
But they have a good community good art and they have like that surfer vibe
So like when you look at things it's same with cool cats too
As far as what their art is and how they have their little animation. It's very similar to pudgy penguins, you know
So it would it's not it's not going to be that hard to kind of see who's up next or who who's kind of
You know not copying but kind of has that same sauce that can't do that same recipe, but it's also by vibes
So it's funny mentioning quirkies and I actually totally agree with you communities very poor
Especially at the start because that's really what like holds the glue together and allows the floor price to to actually go up
But I was looking at I was really looking at quirkies 20 minutes ago
And quirkies for for a lot of maybe this long people who don't know
Quirkies have been around for a while like february 2022 like I think they were pre azuki by just a little bit
It was around the same time. No, they weren't they were after but um
They were february 6 2022
Yeah, and azukis were january weren't they?
Maybe I don't know. Uh, but the point is they're they're around, uh pretty early
I'll remember when it was around that time. It was around the time. Um
Yeah, quirkies like it's weird because they they have 5 000
Oh, yeah azukis were january january 9th. Wow
Um azukis or rather quirkies, there are only 5 000 supply so on and so forth and i'm looking at the chart here
Literally a month and a half ago two months ago. What um, what made them jump from 0.4 to 1.8?
Like is it token space? It's gotta be something
I mean there's gotta be something but there's been a quirkies community for a long time. I think the art's okay
And uh again low supply makes it easier for this stuff to go off
I I got to imagine there's some fucking token coming or something
Something's happening because they crashed right around like may
June of 2022 when they were doing so well, it was really sad to see I loved quirkies
But to see them come back is really exciting
But and and that touches on a point. I wanted to make i'm sorry about the hands, but like I think what
really love and what solidifies a community and what helps them do well for a brand is to see
a comeback story to see an underdog
become like the mighty beast
because if you have just like a spotless mint go from like
0.5 eth or one soul to 20 soul
like it's not organic, but if you have
A company that went through a struggle and for example, you see all of this with the top
The top brands in the space that are doing well that have fought it out for a long time like pudgies
By luka and have are now doing well azuki went through its own struggles twice
like some questionable decisions and
Keep seeming to like fight a lot of fud and they still are successful
Even if they're not at their all-time highs
Like you see it with all the the brands
Um, even d gods, you know, they they struggle a lot and yet they keep coming back and people rally around them
I I think that's kind of crucial to
A web3 brand success and even web2. I think people like to see a success story
Come back. They they like something to root for
Um, it it feels organic. It feels like
Something authentic is happening within the company
um, and it's not all plastic and planned and
They're going to be gone within three months
No, I definitely agree. I definitely agree when when there is a comeback story, it's it's way more bullish
Um, and I also agree with what you said when a project starts really high. It's kind of bearish
Um, oh like there's a couple examples of it and most of these gaming projects
like most of the gaming projects are free mint and then basically day one they're like 2e and
You know, obviously people are bullish on them, whatever
It's hard for them to it's like based on speculation of a of a token hair drop. That's usually the thing
That's not necessarily like if it's all in pre-sale and doesn't go doesn't really go to public at all. That's it
That's that's a bad sign, too
Um, there was um, oh here's uh, this is actually well
I'll throw it to aj first and then I want to read this thing aj. What's up, buddy?
I just wanted to answer your question about quirkies. Uh, jpeg poppy came on the team. That's what that's what did it
Wasn't he wasn't he like buying? I remember him buying like fuck
I remember him hosting spaces where it would be like and maybe it wasn't him
Where he'd be like if you buy quirky right now, I'll give you a quirk
like they were just like going crazy trying to just get people to buy these things and
I know he's been in this fucking project basically since its inception. So it's
it's really impressive to see how they've kind of not only just stuck around but
Dude, their floor price is higher than cool. Cats is higher than clonax. Like it's
Yeah, it's less supply, but still it's very tough to do. So well, there's a
There's a group of whales that are part of uh, quirkies and they've been holding it for a very long time
But when jpeg poppy decided to you know be on the team, everybody knows who he is and he's been around
Supporting multiple projects. They're like, okay, this guy's serious
He's a serious business guy, you know
And they got real bullish and of course went straight up and yeah
They would hold these spaces where they would just sit there and snipe
Um and buy and if you bought sometimes he would just give you one even if you just like bought one
He'd give you a quirky he's like that kind of guy
Yeah, it was I remember like it was um, that was uh, that was a while ago, too
It's it's really nice to see communities kind of sticking around that long
Um, so I think quirkies will be fine. And again because they have a lower supply. They could probably see crazy floor
I I don't know any so don't fucking please guys like do your research, whatever
Um, but it's interesting because it's one of those projects that's been around on eath for for a long time
I want to I want to read this
The shay the shout out to the shay show
And they pinned it up or they they put in the comment section. I'll pin it up to the top here and they wrote
Um dixon masterfully paints a beautiful backdrop on the origins of the internet. Although us webs and
Digital natives likely know the history of the read and write eras. It was so enjoyable to read it from his point of view
Blah blah, I want to read it because it's kind of interesting
So it says the internet is probably the most important invention of the 20th century
It transformed the world much as earlier technology revolution technological revolutions
The printing press the steam engine electricity did before unlike many other inventions the internet wasn't immediately monetized
Its early architects created the network not as a centralized organization
But as an open platform that anyone artists users developers companies and others
Could access equally a relatively low cost and without needing approval anyone anywhere could create share code art writing music games
Websites startups or whatever else you could dreamed of and whatever you created you owned
As long as you obeyed the law
No one could change the rules on you extract more money from you or take away what you built
The internet was designed to be permissionless and democratically governed
As were its original networks email and the web no participants would be privileged over others blah blah blah so on and so forth
Now obviously the internet became much more
Like less of that, but now we have we have a new chance of it with with crypto and um
Yeah, I mean you're even seeing it with like things like farcaster as well, so
Also, I reached out to the founder for you're like the the people that are like running farcaster
I want to get them on his face. Blah. I see you in the audience
I know you're close with those people if you could make that happen, you know, that would be very much appreciated
I want to throw it over to julia julia. What's up?
This is the first time I think we've spoken
So hi leap. Thank you so much
um, I just want to say uh
honk honk to my community
It's been a very interesting
bullish on the pudgies they
And i'm very intrigued at what's going on over here and what you guys are
And that's all I had to say. Thank you for the introduction. Thank you leap
All right, i'm so bearish on the gooses now what the fuck dude, we just let it happen
I appreciate you julia. I know shout out to the geese everywhere
Um, okay. Well, look i'll reset the space here and then we'll get into it. Welcome
We gotta go into hot take arena
We got like we we've been too soft or emotional or like, you know, all this different stuff
It's time for a hot take arena
And I'll take when it came up, but i'll let crits go because their hand is raised
You know the rules guys if you want to come up on stage click the request button bottom left
Also, click the button in the bottom right hand corner like comment retweet all that good stuff
It's really the best way to support and shout out to gaming.io. I have some stuff pinned at the top for them. Um, look
I want to throw it over to crits crits
I don't know if you were going to respond or whatever, but you're now in the hot seat
You're in the hot seat and it's hot take arena. So i'm ready. What's going on crits? Oh, what's going on leap long time
Since i've been up on stage, uh, great to see you still hosting
It's nice to see everyone up here. Um, but I I just had a kind of a hot take question, I guess
Um, do you guys consider a project that doesn't mint out immediately a failure?
That's an awesome question. Um board apl clip didn't mint out immediately
Yeah, that's a great point lou. Um, so pranks. He did that pranks. He had to help that a lot of people help with that
Did we just get jpeg poppy on poppy was requesting? I don't know where poppy if you're in the room request again. Um
No, I don't I don't consider it a failure at all. I think
I think right now we're in a meta because it's it's not even a meta, but everything is so floor priced
Determinant and people are so focused on that that if it doesn't mint out immediately, it's very hard
For anybody to look at something and say oh the price is going to 10x very soon
So from that perspective it's bearish for some people
But for me and it depends on your depending on on builders or how you're looking at it
I don't think it's a failure at all. Like if something takes six months to mint out fine if it takes a month, whatever
Actually, I think it's bullish as fuck if it took a year to mint out and you sat around for a year pushing this thing
I mean it's tough to do anything for a year let alone push a mint and like really try to get it try to get
It going so I think that could even be bullish in some sense. What do you think crits?
Oh, I'm bullish man. I was just curious. I mean if you if you look at my recent tweet
It kind of explains it. I don't want to show my project too too much, but I just I just see the meta that people
I mean you see it with with gamefi and
You know web3 gaming I guess a lot of a lot of people chase after projects and if it doesn't mint out immediately they just
Turn their eyes and look to the next. I guess, you know potential 10x
If it mints out, but I think that the the space is heavily reliant on price speculation rather than actually building like
You know solid products or or projects. Um, that's just me
And I think you see that a lot in meme coins too not to hop in real quick
But there's a lot of meme coins that are still on the chain
That are just like dormant or maybe like fluctuate a little bit
But because there's no real solid team pushing it it just sits on the blockchain, you know
Especially on ethereum, you know, so I just wanted to point that out
There is too much price speculation going into some really good projects that have but there is some
something behind the theory of supply and demand so
Yeah, yeah, I mean everything is so price-free
Um, well look I'll I'll save my thoughts here kind of need to formulate them but i'll throw it over to jen
Jen, what do you think about this?
Oh my god, I hate this app sometimes, um, yeah
I I don't think that immediate mint out means that a project is going to be successful
And I think you actually see really strong communities form around things that do like mint out slower
You know a lot of the maybe like not 10 000 pfp projects but things like that
Um a lot of times too when you have something that has like a ton of volume right in the beginning, right?
Like it's no longer people it's bots because so many people have bots set up that are like triggered by
Certain amounts of volume and so
It's not like community members. It's straight up just on the price action
And then you can also look at it like only the strong survive and evolution like if it's not good
And at the end of the day the market is the one that literally picks, you know
Who stays and who goes because it's what we want. It's what we like. It's what we naturally gravitate towards
Yeah, I also don't think people are making decisions based off of like values always and I totally want to believe that right anyone
That's hard to speak like i'm so idealistic to a point where it's stupid and unrealistic
Um, but I I think when we're actually being realistic about what does well in this space like you can't
Not you can't ignore the financial factor of all of this and like the fact that this is all based on currencies, right?
There are people here that are not
They don't know what the fuck they're doing. They're just chasing numbers
And that's totally fine, right?
Like in a world of decentralization everyone can be here for their own reasons and decide what to do and not to do
but I think it's important to remember that like price does not always reflect product and I definitely don't think it's like
Oh like evolution and only the strong survive because I think there's a lot of people here who do a lot and
Their floors don't reflect that and and that's okay
Sounds like your bags ain't working hard. You got them stumped. You got them stumped
Well, well, how do you judge then? How do you judge what's good and what's not?
It's I mean the market decides
But what does good mean to you right last group can mean something
Good can mean something completely different to me than it can to you
Right two people can experience the same thing and one thinks it's good and one doesn't
Like value is intrinsic. It also changes at all points in time, right?
like there are projects that I have gained so much knowledge from participating in that like
It was worth me overpaying for that hit at the top, right?
Where there's other things that a lot of people have gotten a lot out of but i'm like, this was fucking stupid
I I don't think that like we all have to have the same definition of good. I think that would be really boring
right once again, like decentralization is choice
And everyone can make choices about what serves them and what doesn't and I think that's what so I think it comes
I'm, sorry guys. I think it comes down to
I think it comes down to like when someone is treating these nfts as
something more valuable than a shit coin with a picture on top of it and a lot of people in this space
For a long time have treated these nfts like shit coins with a picture on top of it rather than as
something that can bring them more value
such as having a community
Having something they can build their own brand off of if if the
Company lets them own the ip. There are so many different questions that factor into that but a majority of the space
Does treat them like shit coins with a picture on top
I just don't feel like a bunch of people with a bunch of money can make a project
I mean, yes, they can make a project pump and become relevant
But it's it takes more than that for it to stand the test of time remain keep growing and then
And then be picked up by web 2 company and it goes from 3 eth to the 40 eth
You know, there's something to say about that now granted. I understand what you mean where you know
Like like I can like my pfp is only worth probably 40 but to me it's priceless
I'm never going to sell it at all ever, you know, I love it
um, but it's I still can't take away from
You know a company on the outside
Really wanting to put a lot of money into it and so that's what I mean when I say good
I mean, what's a what is a what what makes a project?
Good enough to a web 2 company that's going to put a lot of liquidity into the into the system because that's what we want
We want a lot of liquidity. So the space grows and everything, you know goes up in price
I don't know if I can answer the second part of like what makes it what probably web 2 companies are looking for
What could be a legitimate business at this point?
Like i'm assuming pudgies will do another round
They'll probably get that round because they're making money and there's revenue and they have the game that they're building and all this stuff
But for the first question, um, like what makes like a project important successful, whatever
I think it almost entirely comes down to if it's culturally relevant because I think with cultural relevancy comes price
Um, but not the other way around because you can you can have a project that's expensive
That's not culturally relevant and won't make anything move like it doesn't have a real impact
Um, but like look at ombs, for example, like ombs are culturally relevant within the bitcoin ecosystem
Like like there's a real tangible pull that having an omb
uh instills on the holder
And um, I think there's going to be a lot of there's going to be other collections like that as well
And then like in ethereum what's culturally relevant crypto punks?
Um pudgies are very culturally relevant because they represent the the true bridging of web 2 and web 3 like as cringy as that is
That is the project that has done it
Almost the best in my opinion because they have web 2 dude
I was in new york just a couple days ago at the offices
I don't say too much. Anyway at the office and I walk in and we're a salon company and there's fucking pudgy penguin toys
plushies there and I'm like
I like how does this even happen because it's so disconnected from that side of things
And like that's cultural relevancy when you have like salon companies that fucking pudgy penguin toys all over their office
Like that is true cultural relevancy
Even if it seems small it's a sign that bigger things are moving
And um, i'm trying to think of like salana. What's very culturally relevant in salana smb knows clay knows
Clay knows clay knows are definitely but like I would say things like smbs are like very culturally relevant
Even if they're not super expensive right now
Oh boog. Oh, yeah. Yeah boogles. That's a that's a
Okay, but the conversation where i'm sorry so go ahead
Oh, no, I was just asking about the teaching rates. They're still popular. Oh, no
but whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
They they still got they still got rewards recently from juke. So they're they're still respected
But I don't see anyone wearing them anymore is what I do. They're true actually
They still have og respect but
Like no one's no one's wearing them yaku's where i'm just curious. I'm just curious
Yaku changes his pfp a lot
Well, I mean gogo you just said something that was so important. Um
It that's really the biggest indicator that something's culturally relevant is if people are wearing it as a pfp
I mean like that is a very good. It's a good metric
That's a great metric. That's why if you that is the metric
There are a lot of people rocking sappy seals nft's pfp's
I don't think they get the credit they deserve to they get a lot of credit
But I don't think they get enough credit get laughed. They get laughed at too much. It makes me mad
They like they're so wrapped like so many people wear
and everyone still is like
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wub this wub that i'm like, this is actually a really well represented brand
So, I mean sappy seals are not cheap either, right? They're like 1600 bucks for for floor. So, um, but I actually
Will probably go much higher than that if i'm being honest with you
Um, they have almost 70 of the collection is staked with 1 listed
I mean that those are some crazy stats if i'm being honest with you like that. This is some fucking insane stats one one
Also, we've had a token for a while, but it's actually going to stop being
Able to go to your nft through staking in the end of march, I think
I don't know enough about um, I actually don't have it. I I think wub is great, but I don't have a sappy seal
I I need to do i'm about to go on a buying spree on some of these nfts because
I feel like we're at the beginning of
I just feel like shit's about to shake and move like even we have poppy up here with quirk
He's like fucking quirk quirk
He's going 3x in the last like two months like you have people that are going back and supporting some
We work. What were we calling them the other day? Like legacy projects?
I think that has a bad connotation to it, but I actually think it's kind of good
Um and a lot of these like legacy projects the cool cats the fucking doodles the whatever
I don't know man. I think they can have a lot of movement poppy. What's going on? What do you think?
It was good great convo. Um and leap good good to be here. Somebody texted me before was like
Hey, they're talking about you on the space and I was like, well, hope it's good
so, uh, we just finished up uh community spaces and um
Leap by the way great great, uh space the other night
Uh, it was uh, it was really really really good. In fact, most of the time I have a newborn
I've been uh sleeping your spaces are pretty late. But anyway, no a couple things
That gen I think jen made a couple really good points and scott was asking some good questions
And I think like your point on cultural relevance is
Spot on but I think one of the questions was like what are web2 companies looking for?
Um, you know, I i've been on the quirkies team really since right before the new year
Uh, so in pretty much six weeks, we'll call it
I've had probably five solid conversations and two more coming this week with
either reps of web2 companies or
um people that are bridging the gap to web2 companies
Were actually ideas that approached us versus
You know, I can't speak for all projects because it's a little bit different, but I do think it's a bit of a pipe dream that
You know any project is gonna specifically get like some big web2 partnership. I think
I think there's a lot of people from web2 that are watching
Nfts, but there's still a lot of people in web2 that don't care
Nft bark put out a book with uh
Scott commoners on amazon called the everything token
I've got a bunch of them and i'm going to be shipping them out and I think like that's a great tool that can help
but essentially like what what we're getting good feedback on is
relatable art good community consistency
No smoking trades like more of a dynamic ip
And it seems like it's the ip and then for us we're streetwear and apparel brand. That's our that's our main
Business. So like the skull logo the way that it looks our skate decks
Our ability to go into surfing and snowboarding and all these different verticals
that's helped us as well, but
What I see is that a lot of web2 companies are still very
I would say hesitant, but I think that's coming and
You know, there was a pretty big company that was
Planning for basically two years this massive launch into web3 and recently it got pulled
And it would have made a pretty big difference
I think but we're still early enough where somebody could build for two years and then pull a project
That you know kind of proves we still have a way to go. Um
and then I think in this space my take on
So I think there's like a couple different profiles of people and value in nfts is very subjective
Some people are strictly here to make money and we have to understand that right me even being on a team
I have to understand the difference between the collector and the holder
Right. I mean the the flipper the trader and the and like the real true collector
So we have several one of the reasons why quirkies is very strong
Like a lot of people are giving me credit coming into the team. Obviously
Floor has been great, but
We've been onboarding a lot of new people
The most impressive part is actually we five x'd since I joined the team
If you look at the wales like the top 20 30 holders
Just blockchain tells the truth
We have great holders and you could even say for most of our holders. That's
Like going to two eth was just the first step for them
So it's like a psychology thing too with floor price if people get a 4x most of the time they're like skirt i'm out
But when you build a collection around
Collectors and you kind of frame the mindset. We've lost a lot of people
We lost wales that had 200 150 and that's one of the reasons why quirkies crashed
Basically two years ago from three eth it was pumped and those same people that pumped it dumped it
And so when volume comes volume goes you're always going to go back
It's like it's called the law of compensation or the law of value value will always go back to where it should have been in
The first place if it wasn't meant to be there in the beginning
And so now that we're building value and we're attracting more collectors. It's healthy
I think some people are waiting for a pullback waiting to see if we correct and no one can predict the future but
You know just to summarize and i'll give the stage back
Um, definitely grateful to be here
And we'll try to pop in more
But I just say this like I think for me i've tried to frame my mind around not focusing on floor
Sometimes it's hard to do because that's what the community talks about, you know, maybe 30 of the time
But it's what can we build? What can we really deliver so we can separate ourselves?
Or like relevant conversation where people are like, oh wow, this is a real business
Wow, quirkies are really doing something not just pumping because a guy joined the team
Um and and just onboarding new people
And then why would you want to flip something?
That's two weeks when when you feel like you could go to 20th
Just like what happened with pudgies and the only way you're going to feel that is if the team's actually building and the community
Is strong it always goes back to community
That's why sheba enu did what they did people were like, oh snap. They got a swap
They got you know, they got this banking system. They got this economy. Okay. Yeah, this is legit. Let's go ahead with it
You know, I mean I got I got friends that have held ripple
like one of my one of my best friends has like
Literally like two million dollars in ripple now or something like it's just ridiculous and i'm like bro
You've been sideways for like three years, bro. Just
He's like i'm not i'm not leaving right it's he believes in the overarching vision
Now is that cost him time and opportunity?
That's also subjective. I spent two million on board apes at the tippy tippy tippy top
And I love the community. So I rode that shit
All the way and I still have some apes i'm loyal, but you know, the point is
You know, I don't think we really ever truly know the outcome
But if people feel value they're gonna they're gonna ride it and really believe in a vision and
Hopefully you just pray that the team can execute because that's that's really what it's going to come down to
So one I gotta say I appreciate you and two
Bro, you're gonna get so many fucking offers from different projects when you when you join a project in the price for x's
Basically the day you join like you're gonna have every project giving you massive offers now
So shout out to you not that you you know, obviously you want to stick around with quirkies
Not to turn it into like a whole fucking like ama or still space, but I I am genuinely interested
What is the business like?
Like what is how does porkies make money?
Numbers going up lee if you're asking too many questions
I'm curious like if you could just tldr like quick answer like yeah, I will i'll buzz through a quick
Please do not thud my bags right now poppy
No, it's cool. We gotta dude. I I love by the way
I love clano. So big fan. I uh, caught my first one a couple days ago. I'm like a salon and newbie
So I found uh, like two g's that I invested in star atlas
Like three years ago. I went in traded it for some soul bought some shit
You know made some mistakes with a wild eye controlled and ended up with a clano and some other stuff. But uh, here's here's the quick
We are streetwear and action sports brand that's our focus. So if this was an umbrella that's that's the
kind of the material of the umbrella
Inside are all the spokes that fit that and so
It's apparel. We are we are dropping two to three skews. So different items accessories kind of think
I try to explain it as like supreme
meets quicksilver and billabong
So we want to have that like and like graffiti streetwear vibe all mixed in there
But we're going to be dropping, you know, maybe we'll drop, uh an exclusive
Rug, you know 20 pieces this month with a hoodie that has nfc chip and a skate deck
Probably three weeks ago. We sold out in one hour 55 skate decks in 111 sweatsuits
And we're gonna we're gonna lean into those specific items find ways to reward holders
Obviously, there's some authenticity stuff, but we're still a small brand. So i'm not gonna go sell like
You know if it was like louis with an nfc chip verse, you know 111 hoodies, but like the long-term vision is
A brand that people know all around the world for streetwear and action sports. So
You know apparel accessories
Boards decks things like that
We're actually gonna shock some people probably in the next few weeks here with
So you guys wait puppy, you guys go ahead go ahead. Go go. Gucci meets costco at this point like
a consumer friendly brand
I like I kind of like that actually it was at first i'm going gucci. Where's he going with this? Um
We want to have a a fun brand that's affordable. You can see the prices we're not jacking stuff up
in fact our margins, especially now are
you know, there's a little profit in there for us, but it's not a profit grab because
We're aware that our core community right now is our nft holders. And so we give discounts to
All of our holders on the merch too, which even knocked that down
But our ultimate goal is is to go big on this and so right now we're not you know pigs get fat hogs get slaughtered
I've built a very large business in web 2 for the last 10 years and i've done obviously very well
One of the things that I learned in the beginning is
Kind of from gary vanderchuk funny enough
Jab jab jab right hook right it's better to
Give stuff away build stuff the right way instead of trying to get rich off
You know your foundation and so
Yeah, we're very focused on just giving value and leaning in our community loves the apparel. It's good quality stuff. We have good partners
And we try to root our partnerships within web 3. So if there's builders in web 3 that are doing stuff
That's our top priority because we can like rising tides raise all ships
And so i've always tried to keep everything super inclusive. I try to support every project
So that's kind of our core focus
Um, we're gonna do some really good stuff in gaming. In fact, I I loved gaming when I was younger. So
Runescape those were games that I always played
and so it's one of my dreams to kind of merge those two worlds together and
We got some stuff cooking there, but we have a gaming project. I want to be really clear like no
There's three fucking roles in the twitter space there's host
You're right, you're right
quickly not to and poppy shout out to you like
Um did not it was just relevant to what he was saying. That's why okay
Well, I don't this is I was just thinking about this pop because i'm like, all right, quirkies are cooking
They've been around for a while. Like there's they're still cooking and doing their thing and it started making me think of like
projects that launched around that time
And i'm like i'm trying to like say like okay, what made quirkies different so i'm looking at some of these um
Other like a kind of og ethereum not like super og, but here's another example
And I know you I know aj remembers this too
Fucking little lemon friends when I when I joined nfts little lemon friends were like, bro
They had their they had the morning squeeze with mike. I think it was michael that was was hosting that
Um, they like they by the way, that was like because that's when I first got into spaces and I
Watched what they were doing. I was like, holy fuck. These guys know what they're doing
Like they have this massive morning space. They do every day. It's like hundreds of people showing
I was like these guys like this is what i'm trying to get to
The art was cool and like I remember I would go to like the first like nftla in new york
I went to there was like tons of little lemon friends people and they
Events and meetups and things like that
And then I know they recently were acquired and their price pumped a little bit
But I look now there's still 0.02 and then another project I was thinking of from kind of similar time was like wonder pals
Which were a little bit after that actually actually no a little bit actually same month. Wow december 2021
and wonder pal same thing like
13,000 ethereum traded in volume
Um good distribution all this stuff the floor price 0.03. Nobody ever talked like it's dead. Shit's completely dead. Another one was um
What was it star catchers? Was that another one around the same? Yes
Star catchers, um, that was that had its whole drama thing
They redid the art and the art is sick and the floor price is 0.005
Like what like here's like the most the more overall question to to this not for long
It yeah, I got somebody's pumping all three of those right now
These projects leap just went on a fuck leap was like yeah, I gotta go buy some nfts
Projects are dead do nobody liked the redone art for star catchers and they just
Nobody buy this shit, please and I agree with you go. Nobody buy this shit
Like these projects are dead
Like there's nobody in this stuff anymore. It's completely dead
Um, and I guess the like the last sale of star catchers was nine days ago
And then the sale where that was 21 days ago, and if you go look at the art, it's actually
So the founder was so dramatic and messy though. I feel like there's a lot of like
like that is maybe not the best example because it was like
A really hype man like this really like big team. It was also right before everything crashed
Like there were a few it was like that and like
Something wonder pals and something else all at the same time and then everything crashed
But there was so much drama and like new founders and takeovers and stolen art and new art and all of that
So I I also feel like there's
That one there's nothing there. There's nothing there left to pump is what we're saying
Yeah, no, totally, but I feel like that one kind of left from the beginning too. Like I don't know
Jen you might know which one and maybe gogo knows too
And what was that project?
That was like a this era by the way of ethereum nfts was very weird because basically everything here would mint out instantly
And be like 30x the day like this was there was a lot of these
That stuff that air that scent I was talking about earlier in the space of just like cash grab rug. They're gonna yeah
Okay, go ahead. What was the project and it kind of looked like mori's um, and don't even get me started on the moris
Because that isn't that's another example of a project that looks like had a ton of potential but it looks like moris
But they all had food on top of their heads
Do you guys you guys have to remember when oh my god
That looked like that though. There were like so many
I thought you were talking about sugar town auras
No, and i'm trying to think of I don't want to like slander anyone right now
But I I have a hot take too. I feel like that was the time where like
Everything was minting out right and like okay having a lawless meant he was like immediately sell shit
but also this was like around the time of erc 721 a
And when there was like no pressure to mint stuff and no gas wars
Then people didn't care because they couldn't immediately sell for a profit
And I feel like that was the beginning of the downfall of uh, nft is so everyone loved
Uh erc 721 a because they're like, oh my god. Yay, I spend less gas
But also I feel like that kind of crashed the market
So lead you might be thinking of like there were like some hybrids of like the top projects
So there were like doodle moris
and there were doodle cats
Like there were a lot of doodle derivatives and mori derivatives and then they like bred them together
It was there was a lot of that that spring
But you might be thinking of that
I can't remember the name but like I don't want to say the influencers that promoted this but it's like
Bro, wow, blah promoted it. You you don't even know which one i'm talking about
Yeah, dude. I can't remember. I think I might still have that nft in my wallet. Did I go?
I think I know what you're talking about
It was insane because that was one of the first like searching the food nfts and I found some weird shit
I just found something called the world food nfts and it's on polygon and the floor price is
Literally five cents. So if you guys want to
Let's do a community take over here
I think dude leave you need to chill
I need to dm me first before we do this
Any of this shit look so wait, so leave silly i've had my hand up for like I had my hand up for like 30 minutes
No, you didn't it. Oh, I definitely did
No, you haven't even been here for 30 minutes
No, you didn't your hand was never I believe that you had it up on your screen
But I maybe it's like a display glitch or something
Oh, I think it's I must have unmuted for a second and then it went down
But I like didn't so okay. Never mind. My my point is no longer valid
I want to still hear the point
No, my point was just going to be like this is why i'm so loud on spaces, but um, i'm not in a loud mood today
Well, maybe we can get you in a loud mood here
I'm i'm trying to think and maybe blah you you know, some of these two
What are some and poping agent definitely know some of these wow
What are the what were some other am I rugged?
No, I can hear you. I can hear you. Okay. I hear you go
Oh, wait, no, no, go ahead. I i'm sorry. Wait, maybe go ahead. I don't hear the ems
I just thought I was rugged for a second. Oh
Um, well i'm sure what were some other projects from that era of ethereum nft. Is that just like hard fucking rug, dude
There was a fucking lobster one and it was my first nfc and I spent like 1.6 east on it
No, no, it wasn't it was it was it was something like this
I know but uh, it was terrible my friends like dude
Look, it's got a bitcoin chain and I paid like 4x above floor. It was literally my first nft
And I had way too much eth to give a shit at that time
Which no one told me to just buy punks and sit there and just wait. That was definitely the alpha
I bought freaking lobster for 1.6
Wasn't it like magic lobsters too or something?
I have to find it. I have to find meta billionaires. Remember meta billionaires. That was one
Oh, that was the infamous one
I actually wonder if there's any animal or like adjectives that did not get used in 2021
I thought about that the fluas
The fluas, I would have right. Wow. Are we doing spiderweb? Yeah, yeah
Iraq arachnids have not been really heavily publicized in the web three space. That's okay
I said that first just want to put that I I know you did and and leap listen if I do a sale
You'll get some of the proceeds because listen, listen when I talk about what's really interesting is I did something yesterday
That reminded me how much people really just care about money
And it's kind of sad because I actually really I mean i've dedicated my entire life to this technology and
Gave up a career as a dj to build some cool tech
Which is kind of nuts, but I did it and i'm very happy I did but
I did this tweet giveaway yesterday and it's like my most engaged tweet of the entire past 12 months
And it's just like giving away an og blau nft that I guess
The floor price is actually still holding at the original. It's a little over the original price. Actually, it's 4.2
It was originally sold for 10 grand, um at the time which was
Which was wild because we never expected anybody to pay that. Um, but 50 people did at the time
Yeah, so I like did a giveaway to help my buddy who has this new project that i'm that i'm a big fan of that
3000 legitimate non robot
Entries according to the twitter selector tool, which is a great tool for giveaways, by the way
Um, because it can it can scan for bots and not select them
But yeah, it was like my most engaging tweet ever and it's literally just like i'm giving away an nft
Retweet this and follow my friend because he has a cool project. I'm gonna pin it and i'm like, yo
I I say anything about anything substantive and nobody cares, but I do a giveaway and it gets like 5000 likes it's fucking you know
hot take also another hot take, um, that's not really a hot take that's just a normal take but
Um hot take if you don't have an apple vision pro you are going to fall behind
Hot take okay. Wait, you changed your mind and see this shows
I did this shows that I engage with your content because I I follow your
I follow your shit and in your tweet like
48 hours ago. You said the medic quest 3
was essentially better on where it counts and
I actually still still believe that he's an artist. He's an artist. I am a holder of blau early days
He's an artist. Let him make the art julia. I i'm friends with law. It's okay. So
I did change my mind. I did change my mind didn't and you're right. You're right. I'm fighting over you, bro
Um, that's okay. What are your favorite features blau?
Well, okay. So my initial reaction was
Well, okay, so for the use case my initial reaction was this is really way too hard to use
I didn't have virtual desktop ready without going into the details
As I started to use it more
And it's like something that actually does take it took me about two three hours to actually like feel like I was in the zone
And and there are no applications really yet
It's it's basically a productivity tool with some cool like crazy graphic features for ar vr stuff
And the metacrest three is a superior headset for gaming
Especially at the price point. It's a it's a tenth of the cost like if you want it like this apple vision pro
If you want if the base model is 3500
But it's not really because if you ever cracked your glass, it's a 1200 repair
So you need apple care, right and apple care is 500 dollars
And so now you're at four grand and you also don't want 256 gigs. You want at least 512
So now you're at 40, you know
Basically 4 500 bucks is your minimum buy-in for this for basically a productivity tool. So there's quite literally no reason
To get it unless you're using it for you know, unless you're actually using it for its use case productivity
Like it's not really a fun device
Although I do think like if you were on an airplane
It would be a fucking game changer because you could watch you could watch it on a really big screen
And it's probably really fun and nice
Um, but other than that like it's probably too expensive
So that was my initial reaction is like for the price and I got the terabyte version that cost me basically five grand
Um for the price it's like totally a toy and like at that price point
I don't think most it's worth it for most people. However, however
compatibility with all of your apple devices and as you begin to discover how cool that actually is
becomes the ultimate game changer where like my grandma's unfortunately, you know on her last legs and
I can film her in spatial video on my iphone 15 and then when I put it in my headset
It's literally literally like i'm sitting right next to her like it's that kind of shit that the meta quest 3 can't do
So it just took me a second to like discover all the features that were really powerful
but I still think it's like
The reason why I say hot take you'll get behind if you don't have one is because it's basically like
A start like meta change their company name to meta for metaverse
But apple is just ahead and I think that if
If there is some universe where apple adopts some form of wallet infrastructure and crypto
Um, this thing basically fulfills all the dreams we've ever had about what crypto can do
And that's why I think it's pretty powerful. But can I I think
Can I ask you how heavy it is?
It's not that heavy I don't I don't think that's a reasonable also the the strap that it comes with is like
Is not great. It comes with a second strap that has a top strap that that makes the weight distribution way more manageable
But if you're just like using that, uh horizontal strap, the weight distribution is not great
So for people who are saying that I get it
But it does come with that second strap that goes over your head and that that like evens the weight distribution a lot better
I uh, sorry, I appreciate the insight. That's pretty cool. Um,
Have you ever have you used or heard of octane x?
No, so that currently is the only blockchain application. I am aware of that. It's running on the vision pro
That is actually integrated on the blockchain
With vendor network in real time that i'm yeah that i'm aware of currently
GPU wouldn't be able to handle the graphics. Basically the idea is it would just pick up the lag
Um on decentralized GPUs for free
Believe that it just does streaming currently like uh, just seamlessly for free
But I could be wrong. I'd have to look more into it, but i'm really excited about
I want to quickly throw it over to buck because I buckets is like the it's like my ar
Consultant um buckets. I know I think you did you get one of these things you I know you've messed around with it
What are your thoughts on it? Yeah, um
Welcome to the party everyone. You've been saying this for a little bit, you know, um, so yeah, welcome to the dark side
This is a v1 product people don't understand. It's a fucking v1 product. There was a picture that went viral
It said it was like the first ipod the first apple apple watch the first iphone
Like this is the first forward facing
Xr ar device that has been created
For mass production and for mass consumption
The meta quest 3 is a vr first with xr capabilities attached to it
It's not an ar xr forward facing product
This is the first one that's ever been released and it's been released by the biggest company in the fucking world
The king of hardware now a couple of things my initial observations. First of all, there is some wallet connection alpha
Because you could technically export your screen your your laptop screen
To um your apple vision pro and obviously your laptop has metamask integration because you have the plugin
Once I once I did that my perspective changed
Exactly. That shit's absolutely bullish. Well people are going to export your screens up
Obviously the fact that it's an apple cloud touch on this in fact, it's iowa's already familiar with it
It took me like 30 seconds. Just look I actually just like oh, it's an apple device. Cool
Now, let me just pick up the the motions. The one thing I do got to say is
Multiplayer has to be a thing like at some point
If two people are connected to the same network or to the same like iphone because you still need an iphone connection to the headset
Imagine two people are putting on this putting putting on headsets
But it could see the same thing and it's kind of like multiplayer. Wait, so so I did that
So so that was the other so bug is not too quick story. I did that with my dad today
So he just facetime me. We were in the same room. I was worried about audio feedback
Mind you audio feedback didn't even matter and we were 10 feet away, which was insane, right?
Like so there's audio feedback compensation between his mic and my microphone and my what's going into my ears without air pods and his
We're facetiming. He's showing me what he sees
On this on the facetime share. We both set up the personas. I think they're pretty awful right now
But like whatever and i'm seeing i'm like coaching him in his own setup
Right next to him with my headset on and it's fucking wild that that's one
I really changed my perspective is when you have two people it changes everything. Anyway, keep going
Yeah, no, absolutely that that is that is already currently doable
Like you can't manipulate, you know your father's screening
He can't do the same thing
You can kind of coach his way through and you see what it's kind of like team viewer
Not necessarily like actual manipulation where like you give oh you give over control, right?
I could only see it as like a window. Correct. Yeah, exactly, right?
But soon that will that will it's something that's going to be implemented another thing that was touched on the forget different in gaming
Obviously, we all know that they run on different engines meta and an apple just with the whole war that's going on right now
It's something else to keep in mind
And at the same when it comes to the applications and the apps like first of all
Like apple arcades kind of a rug because all the all the apps just in the alpha all the apps have in-app purchases
And then you're paying monthly for apple arcade something to keep in mind
But i'm a huge chess nerd and I just played 3d chess on the fucking apple vision pro and that shit's amazing
It's so cool. Dude. Okay. Did you try did you try sense writer? I have it. I haven't yet. I haven't yet
Dude, it's basically beat saber, but like
Way better. Yeah, I mean it's different different but like
Look like I still play that on my quest and that's a good game
But my thing on the apple vision pro compared to the quest three is that it's like it's apples and oranges, bro
So the quest three is literally a subsidized quest pro like apple literally bought the design for the quest pro
And added a new chip a screen on the outside to see your eyes and took away the controllers
And really fucked up the software hardcore so that the app library is like garbage
yeah, now another thing that is that is that is like super cool is honestly the manipulation of the of the screens and
There's two there's two things that you actually you actually actually do
One is like you leave the screen there and you keep on walking and the screen kind of remains there
You could come back to that aspect of the roof and the screen's still there
But you could actually lock it or in a way when you when you're walking the screen fucking follows you as you go
Wait, I haven't figured out how to do that. What what is the actual i'll i'll i'll send i'll send you
I'll send you how to do that. It's so cool because like that's that's very cool
Can we back up a step I don't think anyone really
registered what crow said he was bearish on
Well, the app is right. So
Well, no, it's not so what's happening is that google's blocking youtube applications meta's blocking instagram and facebook applications from
It's like it's total war right with new heart. Yes, you can't download instagram
However consumers it's not real however
On safari, of course, you can access it, you know, it's just like they don't have the native applications
Um, but like i'm using netflix and safari and it's fine. You know what I mean?
So it's like it's just really interesting to see that
You have to realize meta has copyrights on everything
That apple is putting out apple is only allowed to put it out because they're paying meta
Yeah, quick question, uh, I don't know what to do about that right the apple vision pro only has a two-hour battery life
Right or am I bought a second battery?
Mine lasted more than two hours. All right, hold on. Hold on. Um, I this part I did not know
Wait, so like can somebody explain this to me in a way that makes sense? You're saying meta. No, I I don't think crow is at
All correct. I I actually am I worked with
So put up public the link because like I don't think that's I mean, it's kind of inside info, but yeah
Okay, I know people that were on the apple hardware design team from eight years ago working on this. So like
Publish a link post a link to the top of the room. Otherwise, I definitely do not believe you
I can't leave space and come back and do that, but I might do that later
But they're actually there you can take apart
Yeah, i'm gonna interrupt you because you're lying to the
You happen to have an you happen to have a quest pro and an apple vision pro and you take them apart and look at them
You'll realize their exact same thing except for the apple vision pro has different
Post the link. All right. Hold up crow
You know that if you could
I'm always going to be a skeptic
If you actually make a video of you taking them apart in their exact same thing that shit will have 50 million views day one
And you'll go mega viral make a shit ton of money and have a lot of like I would suggest you do that
Like if that's a real thing
You will legitimately have the biggest video on the internet for the entire day
And you'll make a fuck ton of money and and all that good stuff
So if that's real, please go and do that and prove it because if it's real, it'd be the biggest topic in the world
Until that it's just hard for me to believe that like
Well, let's side note that for just a moment. Let's look at the app library
Quest got a much larger app library and they have years of experience developing mixed reality devices already
This is their this is apples first. I'm not putting them down
I'm just saying the price tag is stream for like garbage water
Well, well you you're saying mixed reality devices but all their all their hardware up to date has been vr focused with xr
Capabilities like just the difference between the meta quest 2 and meta quest 3 is completely different
Especially when it comes to xr and ar like a hundred percent miles apart. And that's why when that's
And that's why that's why the marketing part
But the the the rollout of the vision pro especially with the presentation within cook and all that when you had like disney
Give their own presentation during that during that product release
People didn't understand how big that partnership was because of the war that is going around right now
We're blocking apps on different hardware
Like that announcement of the partnership showing that okay
And one of the biggest entertainment the biggest entertainment company in the world is fucking partnering with meta basically allowing
ESPN hulu disney plus everything under the disney umbrella
And now they're in partnership with apple now. This war is going on in israel
There's a way to bypass that
But there's a lot of things that have been rolled out up until now that people didn't think it was a big deal
Until they put on the fucking headset for the first time and that's the thing
That's the biggest thing a lot of this has all this conversation has basically been futuristic
Conversations and then the shittiest hardware imaginable being released up until this point and people never had to actually have a high quality experience
This is like I agree with that entirely
I'm two seconds away from finishing
For the first time people have actually been able to put on the headset
That is again mixed reality extend reality focused with other capabilities attached to it and having a high quality experience
Even if it's a b1 product with a lot of other updates on the way more apps are being developed for it
And then eventually they're going to actually welcome them more
To build on it because of the wars happened to make sure that everything in their power
Tell other people to make you know apps that's compatible with the vision pro. So that's my question
I wish I love you so much. I wish you would slow down when you talk
Do talk really fast my friend. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. All right
Um buckets, I need to talk faster too because I have an attention span of like a two-year-old gecko
We're gonna go to all these hands. We have a lot of hands
We have people in the request and I want you know to give everybody a week
May I respond to him really quick before we do because he was talking to me
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Our sponsor will go to the hands call let you respond and then we we really need to go to the rest of the hands
Just be chosen in the request. He's literally like works for for apple and does a bunch of shit. So just fyi
All right. I'm gonna rotate one of you mf's real quick
We got like an apple employee in the request. Um, look
We're gonna go to crow just for a quick response
And then we do have to go to like crits has been waiting for a minute and emily hasn't spoken as well
So look, I agree that yeah
The perceived war is there but like it's really it's like up top. It's not really there. They're all working together
It's like when you get to like not even the middle it's below the middle that they're actually competing
So like I find that hilarious
Like we apple you can use apple stuff on the quest you can use your apple
Like tracking data and health tracking data. There's contracts there
Like there there are contracts between apple and meta there are contracts between microsoft and apple and microsoft
Like this is a perceived public thing. It's not a real thing. They're all working together
Up top it's only like lower middle and lower level
People that are doing that and on the development side like an ar app
Isn't much different than a vr app except for the ar scanning the ar scanning is really the only hard part
Just pointing that out like it's easier to make an ar application if you know what you're doing
Okay, well look we'll throw it to to some of these hands here. Um, I have no idea what i'm doing
So i'm i'm way behind. Um, I want to throw it to crits first crits. What's up?
Oh, honestly, I mean it we went so far off of off of my original
Uh thing I was I was I had my hand up I think to talk about cork links, uh to jpeg poppy
um, and then originally, uh
I heard blouse say that he sold
Uh 50 nfts for 10 10 000 a piece. That's
Absolutely insane. Holy shit. Congratulations
There was a lot more there was a lot more than that back then and then back in the day 2021 early 2021
How much was your that auction that you did for the one piece?
Yes, wow, holy holy crap that that's definitely a hot take um, the other thing is
Guys don't even know he's the big dog. You guys don't even know. Um, go ahead crits. I I knew that trust me
I knew that I just wish you would follow me back. Um, the other thing I wanted to follow you
Jen when she said hot take she said it extremely seductively
It was kind of crazy. Um, and then the other thing with crow, um, I kind of wanted to touch on that
I'm not huge into vr but ar
Um, but I honestly heard that meta owned like a large portion of all of that technology and a lot of people
Uh, you know built off of them
Well good thing we have b shills on stage because
Wait, do you say b shills?
I said b shills. I meant to say b chills, but my brain was in the shill category
B chills tell me is pro-prite or wrong b chills like what's going on?
He's saying that that apple is owned by mark zuckerberg that they're gonna take over the world. What's going on?
I didn't say all that but go ahead
Uh, bro, I work at a food stand. Uh, I don't know what you're talking about but um, yeah, dude, it's been
Yeah, it's a yeah cheesecake factory, right?
But yeah, it's been an incredible weekend launch weekend. Everybody's hyped
It's actually really the opposite of what I expected
uh personally from like a social media perspective like mk bhd kc nystat like everybody's coming out of these videos that are just like
This is the greatest thing ever and if you can
I think the coolest thing that kc pointed out is like
And I can't speak for this is speaking from a consumer standpoint at this point, but he was like, this is the worst
Headset that will ever come out
From apple and I just thought that was such an interesting take on it
That like this is already so incredible and i'm so proud to have worked on this project
I am it's like a fever dream that it's even launched
It's an absolute fever dream that we're able to even talk about it at this point
So you actually worked on it figure under non-disclosure agreements on old buddy's question. That's understandable
Yeah, so I I so full transparency what I do is I
Redesign products to make them repairable
So if you break something then chances are my hands have been in it to make it repairable
So when you fix your when you need to fix your phone screen, I probably wrote the original sop to fix it
So are you that asshole that made it 1500 dollars to fix the glass screen on the new vision pro
bro, the hardware on that is
I can't speak for timelines, but like look do a deep dive on the website behind the hardware on it. It's nuts
Like it's fully transparent on what's in it as well, which I really really love that we do
Like we develop things and we're transparent as soon as it hits that page and anything on apple.com like i'm
All for talking about like that's my that's my nda is like anything that we publish i'm all for talking about
like if i'm not mistaken most of these big companies are focused on using this
uh mixed reality platform as a
Springboard for the ar glasses if i'm not mistaken. I have no idea like we don't talk about that really like it's not the
The initial rollout is like we're putting out a product that
Space forward in ways that I personally haven't experienced
So like i've used other products and I and I won't like say which ones because that's at the end of the day
They're all doing the best they can
And I think there are awesome products
But man division pro I woke up this morning and tweeted out my gm
And I was like goddamn like i'm sitting in bed right now. I'm watching world war z and 3d
I'm tweeting out of gm to my friends
Like this can't get any better and it was like an hour of my morning that I was just like waking up
enjoying and like responding to gms and like
the amount of gms like the amount of dms that i've gotten like, you know respecting the work I do and like
You know people asking questions like I really appreciate it. Like this is this is the stuff I love
uh, I love web3 and I love being part of a company that
Is open to innovation and trying new things
And at the end of the day as I said the other day i'm a fanboy still
Like I started in retail and I worked my way all the way up to corporate
And i'm still to this day an absolute fanboy of the stuff I work on
B can we just debunk the idea that apple is licensing some technology from oculus for this device?
Nothing of the sorts in any conversations that i've been a part of there is also nothing on google about that mind you
Yeah, I have no idea. I haven't heard anything about that
I mean non-disclosure agreement good thing i'm not vendor any particular
I mean look at the apple look at the apple vision pro and the flesh crow and realize that it's just so green and attached
So here here's the transparency
So here's the transparency behind that go on apple.com. It says it is it is if it is not is not
It's all on the website for you. Like they we don't hide shit behind anything
We publish everything about it that you want
We like have apple care plus for like 500 because this shit's expensive
Like we're fully transparent
And uh, yeah, man, like anything that we put out is on apple.com
Anything that you want to talk about on apple.com i'm all for
But like i'm really proud of this product and i'm proud of its launch
I'm proud of my friends that are really loving this and
Like I didn't expect this huge rollout to go this way
But it's really cool to see like my idols like casey nice dad who i've been watching videos for years come out and be like, yo
I didn't realize what impact this would have on my day to day
And so yeah, i'm loving it. I love my job. I love my products and um, i'm happy to share with everybody
So we'll send the invoice to apple
Can I ask you a question about something that would be on the new website?
Um, love the energy free shows love the love for apple
Um, i'm curious about are you familiar with their toy and what they're building on vision pro with uh, the octane x
I am all hardware buddy all hardware. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. All good then. Never mind
Crow is uh slinging around a whole lot of high octane, excuse the pun
So I sent a message a lot of people don't understand how subsidizing works. That's all that is well to
To verify I sent a message over to the creative director of the product launch simon clothes
I don't know if he'll be on a space this late, but he has done spaces before
Um, so maybe he can come on another night leap
No, that would that would be fucking go to go go. I'm not gonna lie. That would be cool
um, no, i'm not knocking the apple vision pro look it's a it's a feat of
Beyond what we've seen in anything other than equally not more not less the quest three, okay
But I just think there's there's two different products for two different purposes, you know, have you used an avp yet?
Wait, say that again stop. Have you used an avp?
I'm not i'm not up to that lingo. I've used the quest three and the apple vision pro and quite a few other headsets
Yeah, yeah, when did I when did you try on the apple vision?
I like two or three days ago. I had to go I didn't drive like two hours to the apple store to try it out
It was a pain in the ass. What does avp stand for crew?
apple vision same question
I'm not used to that terminology. I'm used to mixed reality. I'm used to the quest stuff
All right, hold on. This is the real question. Everybody wants to know blout
or anybody who's used one
What's porn like on it? Come on. Let us know wait
It hasn't happened yet. It hasn't happened yet, but you bet your ass my girlfriend. I are gonna film some shit. It's gonna happen. Whoa
It's getting a bit steamy in here. Um, also i'm shooting my shot at vitalik again
We got 70 likes the first time I shot my shot and i'm not talking about the type of shooting shots that were
anyway, it's some sort of porn joke, but look there's um
This this thing at the top
I want to i'm going to eat thember this year and i'm gonna fucking interview vitalik whether he likes it or not
So if you guys could just I don't know like comment like something I will you know
I mean like just something like let's make this happen
Um, so it's pinned at the top and just show it some love again
The first time was a pretty good valiant effort, but vitalik did not see it
I'm gonna have to just hit him up on farcaster. Also blout whenever you film something with your girlfriend
Like don't make it into an ordinal like it doesn't need to be on the blockchain
Um, but look we I mean, maybe it does look everything is welcome on the cock chain
The lady to say it to make it real, let me tell you I love it. I love it. Gen
I have been decentralizing the dick and fucking the system since before
On twitter spaces, so anyway jen's been decentralizing the dick since clubhouse four years ago
Yeah, just need to know who jen is
Also, I think I think blau is ovulating
Oh my god, you know what i'm actually impressed that men in web 3 like even know that term
So i'm not even mad that this has been like a conversation all day because they're ovulating. Yeah, that's hilarious
But they know it. Why are you surprised?
Well, i'm not why would I be surprised someone was just talking about the best thing that can happen in the morning is
Live watching a movie in 3d and tweeting gms like right. Has anybody ever had a bj in the morning series?
That's what i'm saying. Like get fucked. Okay, um
All right, dude, what a night
Thank you gaiman for sponsoring this space we love you we are professional
I is it ovulating? It's like a type of sport
But you know, that's oval team
Wait, like it was the type of the cereal
I thought it was like a type like, um
Anyway, dude, we'll never find out
Sometimes there's jokes. I really want to make but I keep trying to tell myself i'm a thought leader. I'm
Thot leader. Come on. Um, anyway, shout out to the abp
So we gotta we gotta get this going buckets. I mean talk to me like what's um blauges when to go film
Um, wait, I just gotta say thank you for having me. I'm dropping a listener buckets lucifer leaf. I love you guys
Feel free to like my favorite thing is going to the store and check out the vision pro
The demo is pretty dope. I went through it myself. I highly recommend it's like 30 minutes and you get to
Mess around with it. It's awesome. But thank you for having me up. I love you all. Bye
My cheesecake factory is right next to an apple. Good night. Love i'm going in right after work tomorrow
Wait, like coming up on stage as you're spreading spreading propaganda. Do you have like shorts on apple stock? Like what's going on here?
Who me I just watched dude, we're gonna short squeeze apple
Bro, that would be a great idea
Because that's the company to do it too right there
Is not yeah, truly. We don't have money like that. Yo
That's not how a short squeeze works, but okay. All right. Okay. Hold up. We gotta go with the hands. Um, we go
We'll go actually we'll go jen first jen. I mean, what's up. What do we
Is what are we talking about here? Okay. Well
aside from everything else I had said earlier, um, I think like
My biggest thing and actually this is something that blau said like you were saying once there is an implementation
Of wallets like this vr. Headset is everything that we've ever wanted from crypto and i'm just curious because for me
What I want about crypto, right is like very basic that it is decentralized. That is permissionless. That is instantaneous
and I feel like requiring
Vr. Headset version like i'm no. Yeah, I
Okay, I just want to know like what it adds to the crypto experience because for me and like look I love buckets
So i'm not gonna totally shit on all this stuff
I think it's fucking dumb, but I respect buckets. So i'm trying to have an open mind about it, you know
At the end of the day like I feel like we all already have our phones in front of our faces at all times
And I don't think putting it on a headset
Immerses us more into actual reality or with each other, right? Like I think like the societal effects of it are not great
um, it's also expensive hardware that like
Realistically is every single and I get that at some point it will be cheaper
But like is every single person going to have access to this and the internet and like how dependent are we going to be?
So yeah, I get that you're exaggerating
But I guess I i'm struggling to like find the obvious connection between that and crypto
I get why it makes sense for certain people
I should say metaverse applications and like and like
Composable like digital items and rarity are more what I was about to say without the virtual assets like the original
Purpose of cryptocurrency is kind of lost
I'm sorry, but you guys are all so fucking bullish on nfts
Hold on, but but okay without digital virtual assets
The entire point of cryptocurrency is lost have you ever tried to like wire money with a bank?
That shit is fucking slow and inefficient. Like there are so many reasons
To have crypto and don't get me wrong. I love nfts like I love all of this stuff
But let's be really real and I think a huge issue of this space is people not understanding
The actual point of cryptocurrency then you can get into everything that's being built on top of it
But like we have all these conflated reasons
That's when you come in here thinking that nfts are you going to give you secondary sales royalties for life?
And then you're like fuck this shit. It's all a scam because some people lied to you and you didn't know any differently
I only own cryptocurrency because I mean I know professionals that did in-depth research on cryptocurrency and nfts
And they don't have and every single multiple and every single one of them comes to the same conclusion
It's not a scam, but it gets used for scams so much
It's fair to assume that any of us are
Thinking it's a scam, right? And I
Well, that's the thing if you're in it
You don't feel that way if you're outside of it and you get scammed you feel that way
But you're if you're the one making money you don't feel that way
If you pay 15 000 for a 2d picture you feel scammed two hours less than two hours later
So I just want my point to not be misconstrued
Um because that's not what i'm saying at all, right?
And also I think that everyone needs to realize the amount of scams that do take place
Especially in a digital world that nothing that happens here happens
Like does not happen in other platforms, right like being in a digital world
None of this shit is new. There are no new methods that are being used in crypto that have not been used before
So yeah, I have a lot of resources on safety
Everyone should install wallet guard like fucking take care of your shit
But i'm not saying that it's a scam. I just I feel like there's a lot of
Not you know like marketing hype of like this is the next thing in web 3 where i'm having trouble seeing the relationship between
XR mixed reality ar and web 3 like to me that connection is not so obvious
So I think that you know the original term web 3
Means xr like the original term for web 3 means xr. They know it doesn't you even know who coined it
It's appropriated the term. So
Yeah, no, it doesn't and also gen
Uh, I agree with you in the sense that you can have mixed reality
And you can have like what do you mean xr is inherently not on the blockchain like that has nothing to do with
The original term for web 3 had nothing to do with blockchain. It had to do the original web 3 was web 1
Was like the green screen web
You're a green screen, um, look we need a let's just let's get some facts here, okay
Also, if you're gonna spend fucking thirty five hundred dollars plus on a map on an apple product right now
Just get a fucking macbook. The new ones are insane
Like they are like I love the the vision pro like I think it's I actually think it's really cool
Um, but the the new the m3 macs are are ridiculous. They're like on a different level
So let me see the actual definition here because i'm pretty sure it's not
I don't think it has anything to do with xr if i'm being honest with you
um, I I don't I could be wrong and i'll look into it but
Um buckets if you want to just jump in here quickly. I was actually still talking but
Okay. No, no, everyone's just screaming. I can't hear anything crow's talking about pouring on the apple vision pro buckets is screaming about xr
I can't can't keep track of all this. I can also tell you where the term web 3 came from after you go
Go go go. I love that. Okay. Go
uh as the next phase of like
They exist without each other
it's neat that they can integrate and that they
They marry well, but you can have the two
without each other and I think
Imperative there's no like actual imperative that they need to be
One and and together i'm losing my english because it's after midnight. Um
As they play along when we think of what's next for
Metaverse but blockchain exists without metaverse
I actually agree with that. I I uh, I just looked this up and it said
And I didn't actually know this but the term web 3 was coined by polka dot founder and ethereum co-founder gavin wood in 2014
And was referring to a decentralized online ecosystem based on blockchain
In 2021 idea of web 3 gained popularity blah blah blah. So that
But it was cited. Um to web 3 in this by the way distinct from tim burners lee
1999 concept for semantic web, which I know nothing about but i'm going to read about now
They described the semantic web as a component of web 3 which is different from the meaning of web 3 in blockchain context
So it looks like there was a different meaning initially that then was kind of
the web 2 in like 1999 right like prior to that
Most web pages were like owned and static, right?
And in 1999 that was like the new era of the internet where it was a lot more participatory
So one it was easier for people to like make their own content, right and blogs and comments
And so that is web 2 web 3 is decentralized and blockchain which obviously all of us
Should hopefully understand the point of that is that everything is distributed, right? So there's not one owner of it
Um, and that is like the node systems that exist and obviously
We are somewhere in the middle of like web 2.5
um, but yeah, I have a whole glossary of all these terms too and
Lots of educational stuff. If anyone ever needs you don't
Wouldn't you say that's exactly why web 3 and metaverse related shouldn't need to go hand in hand together since web 3
Doesn't need to be distributed right and especially when we're talking about
But hold on when we're talking about stuff like apple vision pro which like literally in this conversation we talked about right that like each
Hardware has limitations as to the software that you can use. It's not all interoperable. You don't own that
You don't have a ton of control of what you can do yet. I get that people are talking about that changing, right? But like the
The web 3 term is referring to the actual structure of how things are stored and interacted with, right?
so the fact that like information is distributed across
Nodes and not owned by anyone where in apple vision pro if apple's software does not work
How good is that hardware, right? Like they are completely different things. So
Those things you're conflating those things but execute different stuff, right? One is actually giving an interface
Between your hardware which you call your os and that os is capable of running a bunch of shit
Web 3 and non web 3 why are we conflating those? That's what i'm not getting right
That that was a question of like why is this an obvious play for crypto?
Like I don't think oh, I can tell you because it's a new landscape where transaction can happen and web 3 can just
Democratize words in which multiple players are interacting and transacting. That's why you want to use it to replace banks
Sending money overseas. It's anywhere where transaction happens
That's where you plug in web 3 it has nothing to do with ar xr metaverse
But if there is a landscape where transaction happens, then maybe you want to plug in web 3
So it's from a principal's perspective more than a tech one like well, that's kind of what I was going to go
Yeah, only we had someone who's putting xr on change
All right, let's go we go to hands
Also, apparently web 3.0 is different and is an extension of the worldwide web through standards set by the worldwide
Constatorium did not know that that's what i'm referring to by the way. That's where the original term came from by the way
Very different though. So web 3.0
Anyway, shout out to semantics. We got to throw it to emily. Emily. What's up? What do you think about all this?
Sorry, I was just laughing so hard with all the
Definitions of like the stuff that we talk about every day
Anyway, but shout out to everyone that was defining the things that we've defined for like four years now
Okay, so the hot take that I have
Is like I mean blouse talking about sex and we all talked about ovulation
So let's just bring it back to that and talk about have you guys heard of lust ai?
Can we not give any time to that?
I just want to yeah, go go you had your go let emily have
That's turning people that's taking. Yeah, I actually know
But this is why hold on hold on before you guys cut me off on this because i'd like to finish my thought
Like I like this is the perfect opportunity to take something that somebody's doing that's wrong
And turn it into like a class action lawsuit and get the shit shut down like I mean, this is like
It is so disgraceful. I I do not like people
Public identification basically and turn it into something that's porn without your consent
So that's just my feel on it and I was just wondering what the room felt about it
Don't pull that app again
Okay, what can we just i'm down for people to jump in but as long as it's one at a time so
Um, i've never heard of this thing that you're mentioning. I honestly haven't
Um, i'm assuming from what you're saying. It's like
Yeah, like you can just turn anybody into porn
Um, or you can it's just you take a picture. They can basically make it into a nude
I just didn't want to draw any more attention to it and have people go
Yeah, and have people go through it, but I think people are gonna people are gonna find it anyway
One thing that but it's just important to understand one
I actually hate that i'm saying this but taylor swift has actually like made fucking moves on legislation for the shit
So for once she's done something maybe productive for society
Um two like this is not the first app that has existed like this
Um, there's a lot of implications of doing things and right distributing revenge porn is very much not legal
Interesting gray area here. I also think it's really important when we
have these conversations that we also keep in mind like
sex workers and people who
One share their content consensually and making sure that like we're not damaging their abilities to
Exist on these apps or any apps and so these are really nuanced conversations that like are not fucking new
Um, and there's been other apps like this in other spaces
so I would recommend that a lot of people like research that and then also
watch what like sex workers say about how
Things should be handled right because you never want to
Have an unintended consequence that really hurts other people. Um
We all put images on the internet, right and technically
We are giving people the right to do stuff with them and it's fucked up. I think if anything
Making things very very clear that they are generated with ai and not real, right?
And like there needs to be watermarks and things like that
Um because honestly ai titties don't really look that good. You can kind of fucking tell
Um, but yeah, it's shitty. There won't there won't be watermarks
They don't that's not what it's about. No, I know I know that they don't but i'm just saying but I
That in the mass reporting of this just like
I'm trying to like not say the name and like have people look it up, right?
Uh, I just want to make sure that like also we don't take away safe spaces for communities that need them
I don't I don't think that that would be the case. I think this is a completely separate
Okay, guys stop dm'ing me and asking me for the link to this thing because I
I literally don't know what it is. Um
also, secondly, there was um, I was thinking I was talking to my um
Somebody had made like an ai thing of of hugo my dog
And I actually think it was envelope and my mom just like and I was sitting downstairs with them yesterday
My mom was like, oh like look at this picture of hugo that somebody like posted on your thing. She she follows my stuff
And um, I was like mom. This is not actually hugo. This is ai
And she's like what i'm like, yeah, they can just make this and I was like explaining to them how that works
And then we also started talking about the
I got a pretty open relationship with my parents and started telling them about like, yeah
You can do anything with this like you can like the porn stuff all this stuff. I was telling them all about it
It's like you never sent me a picture of hugo so that I could make his uh,
Uh biological classification sketch. I was really looking
You also do a picture right now
But I want to okay, we'll we'll throw it to to buckets quickly here buckets. What's up?
Yeah, i'm not going to touch on the porn stuff. So if that's what you want
You can skip over my hand to anyone else, but I just I i'm sorry, but like it's so funny
You're talking about blockchain a.r. There's like one fucking person on this stage who is literally doing that
I'm not going to get into any of that
I'm going to get into this
I'm going to say that a lot of people here have been fighting about the definition of web 3 or web 3.0
Whenever you want to talk about it. Yeah, don't know the definition of xr
Like i've been hearing the word xr and mixed reality
Going hand in hand and xr does not fucking stand for mixed reality. It stands for extended reality extended
And extended reality encompasses mixed reality augmented reality and virtual reality in this in specifically in the xr space
There's a lot of fucking definitions that people are just not people are not familiar with
There's like buckets. Are you saying that all camels are mammals, but not all mammals are camels
That was the first time probably in three years that i've used the mute button while I was co-hosting Philippe spaces. So sorry about that now
What people don't understand is yes a
Extended reality mixed reality augmented none of that stuff has to be on chain. It does not it's not blockchain
It's not necessarily web 3 it's tech and a lot of people in this space
Who build in tech and whatever web 3 tech whatever you want to differentiate want to split hairs here
please do a lot of people who are who are building in tech are fucking
Scared of it. They're scared of tech. They're scared of where it could go and people are fucking pushing back on tech
Every which way unless it falls onto the barrier
If there are bitcoin maxi they're gonna push back on everything to do with tech besides bitcoin
They're gonna do the same thing if they're each maxi same thing if they're soul maxis
Same thing if you're building a fucking like sand the sandbox or decentralized and meta versus the future every single person in this space
And i'm generalizing here not this twitter space, but in general
I see a lot of fear and instead of fear and running away. How about fear and evolving?
Fear and implementing solutions and I i'm sick and tired of working in a place where they're working in tech
I'm seeing people are afraid of the tech itself
We've had months of conversations about the fear of ai and then that conversation completely disappeared and every single person
Who was bringing up those fears and now freely giving up their information to ai on a fucking daily basis and guess what?
Those fears are not necessary
A lot of the fears are true the eye tracking when it comes to apple vision pro is a legitimate fear
And it is something that could be and will be addressed
That doesn't mean that we should veer away from the technological evolutions that are happening before our very eyes
And i'm just i'm sorry, but i'm not a fearful person when it comes to this stuff. I'm going to try to make
Technology actually like fucking do something for once and now when it comes to putting on an xr mixed reality on chain
Whatever you want to call it all those type of stuff
What people keep on forgetting is that ar itself mixed reality itself is a form of art and form of digital expression
Now what are we doing here in nft specifically?
We're fucking putting art on the blockchain primarily first. That's the first note
That's the first thing i've got picks on we're putting art in the blockchain
I see a lot of art maxis into space a lot of artists in the space completely throwing an entire medium
Of augmented reality and extended reality and mixed reality and virtual whatever the fuck you want to call it out the window
It's another form of artistic expression and guess what you can attach that on chain
It doesn't have to be on chain augmented reality is not on chain
But you can put it on chain for provenance reasons for proof of ownership reasons for whatever you want to do
But there is legitimate reason to actually implement blockchain in the xr space to begin with
Just simply from an artistic point of view if you want to talk about stuff in the future or whatever it is
And want to split hairs 100 percent everyone can feel free to do that
But first and foremost, it's art. It is a form of art if you've ever tried the apple vision pro
It's fucking art. It is actually beautiful to see that being visually displayed before your very eyes in your own home
I spent the entire day fucking around with it today
It's fucking art and guess what if we could attach a proof of ownership protocol to art like that in a digital medium that could actually
It's have these pfps these 2d pfps fucking escape twitter for once in our fucking life
You know what i'm all for it and that's what i'm trying to do. I'm just i'm sick and tired of the fear
But bullish on you buckets, um, and i'm actually like quite quite bullish on this whole thing in general
I think that probably goes without saying
Prefer ar to vr and like the terms here are not as important. But to me the real metaverse is ar
Dude mf is just keep interrupting you tonight. What the fuck?
I mean i'm fine. Like to be honest, it's not that big of a deal
But let me just get this one take out and then we'll go to the hands
I've just accepted that spaces are me getting bullied for three hours, but
I think the the real metaverse is is truthfully ar. Um, and it's the the intermingling and uh,
I hate to use the word but like interoperability between what's digital and what's physical
like when people think of the metaverse they think of
Like other side or decentralized or something like that
And that is definitely a form of a digital environment in which we operate in
But like the true metaverse is when the lines that divide us between the digital and the physical the lines that divide us between different
platforms all start to become more and more blurred and everything just becomes one that is
That is the metaverse. Um, and
unfortunately, like even what we were talking about earlier tonight with uh
Like like metas instagram facebook, like they're blocking like native applications on the apple vision pro like that's very concerning
I don't know what the solution is going to be but that's super concerning because that defeats the entire purpose of what
What a metaverse can be and everyone just wants to own it, which I think is fucking ridiculous
um, not ridiculous from a profit standpoint like I get why but
Anyway, uh, we got to go to
Miyagi's been up here for a minute Miyagi. What's up? What's going on Lee?
Uh, I appreciate you passing the ball to me right after that. Take buckets. That was a good take
Um, shout out to you profits take a shot for me
Um, but I actually have I actually work in ar and I manage an ar and i've been working in the company for ar for a couple
one of the biggest goals that we try to aim for is
How can we do our goal which is augmented reality and all of our technology?
But making it easy to understand and digestible to the individuals and when you guys talk
Shout out to you brother. Um, and when you have like like buckets were saying like the vision
um, sorry, uh, so, uh, yeah, so
Sorry, that was very distracting. Uh, basically
like the the biggest thing that the
Vision pro solves is like we know everyone says metaverse. It's a buzzword. Nobody really wants and nobody really likes it
but the minute the vision pro comes out and it makes it makes what we
What we're already doing a little bit easier where we can digest it
The best way I could compare it is like our parents who are like, oh, I don't like texting
I don't like this instagram and I like this phones
But the minute you can you know
You know bank account on your phone or you could deposit a check on your phone or like, you know
Your supermarket application rewards you because you go to the same supermarket as soon as it's easier or they could check the bus times, right?
Or call a cab right for our older parents
Like as soon as those things came out and it was easy to digest they were like, okay
and I think that's kind of the error we're getting into with ar and you know vr and this whole metaverse thing where it's like
A lot of us especially because a lot of us have been here for years and got grifted on the metaverse narrative
Um, I just think the minute that they seamlessly transition
The metaverse and the on-chain things with our normal technology the same way, you know
They have these salona phones, right?
Like as an example off the top of my head where you have a cell phone
But it has all this integration where it's blockchain and it's just because it's there it's easy
It's digestible and I just think if builders are aiming towards making it
Like right under our noses where it's like we're interacting and we don't even know
Um the farther we can go and I think the vision pro was a huge step in that bounds
Um all i've honestly seen from vision pro is people like putting a bunch of windows and act like they're doing shit
I haven't seen like a good clip of like someone actually trading or like actually doing things
Because I feel like I'd click like dump my whole bag into a shit coin and just you know
Fumble it by accident because my pinky was too fat. Um, but other than that, I think it's uh in terms of
To end my point. I think the more we gear towards making things seamless the easier things will be moving forward
Yeah, one one thing mary is actually like, you know ar has been incorporated since like
instagram 2.0 with just simple filters cosmetic filters
So a lot of a lot of the ar is actually very easily digestible, but it's like literally like
It's like the simplest form and the least interactive and it's just
Something that people could try not even knowing if they're trying ar the thing. Oh i'm using a filter, right?
So the what the the more the difficulty is when you start implementing more complex and more immersive forms of ar mixed reality
That's when you actually need some form of hardware to actually make that more accessible
Which is why this moment is pretty huge with apple vision pro is because it's finally allowing some form of hardware to be out there
in the market for mass consumption, but you know
Just because filters have been around since you know, 20 before before fucking 2016 before 2014, whatever it is whenever 2.0 came out
Um, it doesn't necessarily mean that ar can't be more accessible. I just wanted to add that but that was a great point
Look let's start over to to dido because dido hasn't spoken yet. What's up?
Hey, um, yeah, uh, good good spool buckets
and I love having you and miyaki on stage because the thought that I had actually touches on y'all's area of expertise and
Um, i'll admit I didn't even know what extended reality was until a couple of days ago
A thought came to my head when the vision pro came out and somebody was kind enough to jump into my comments and say
I think what you're describing is xr
And so to that point I do want to say I really wish
that builders in this space
Actually use the technology to augment the experiences we already love so let's
All take pow world for example, right? That's a badass game
All you have to do once you have something like pow world
Is partner it up with something like pokemon go and so then
I'm going outside and catching pals, but then I take those pals
And play the game that I enjoy on my pc or my console
Don't make the whole fucking game in augmented reality
Don't make the whole fucking experience in virtual reality. So now i'm a movie producer
And I want to come out with a trailer for like the new fucking marvel movie or something like that, right?
I'm not going to make the whole movie
In fucking virtual reality, but maybe I release a bonus trailer. That's available in virtual reality
And so on and so forth. So let this technology enhance the games and experiences
That we already enjoy on the platforms that we're enjoying them
So so daito, um, and i'll let you know everyone i'll speak with that
So one of the things we do at my company, um, and i'm pseudo doc
So like I don't care. Um, but we partner with known
Entities in the entertainment industry and then we put the augmented reality twist on it
And I and like literally what you're saying is like, you know a perfect blueprint for what people in this space could do where it's like
If you have the team moving forward and you have the initiative and the ip
You know getting with companies and getting ahead of the curve with ai and dr and ar
You can really set yourself apart like through the token meta like the ar and vr meta like that's what people aren't talking about
Yeah, like take the salon a phone for example
Like how dope would it be is if you had to go outside and like use augmented reality to actually claim your air drop
From something that was falling out of the fucking sky like that's a fun little fucking thing to do. That's cool as shit
But like is that actually cool for society no, hold on. I mean, I love the idea of like getting people outside but like
We all look fucking stupid playing pokemon go, you know, I I just
Don't know if everything needs to be a mixed reality experience. And I think there are actual
Use cases that add to society, but I think there's another one of like if we're going outside
Maybe we shouldn't be like collecting our air drops and maybe we should be like interacting with people irl, you know
Or maybe we give people the freedom to experiment and decide
Totally. I am. I'm not at all saying I don't think this should happen. I'm just like genuinely wondering
What I don't know. I I don't see like that having massive appeal and like look I literally had a
FaceTime bucket because I was trying to buy a couch
And you could use like little ar on amazon and it'll put you directly in your house
And it's like I had like a tape measure out like it was so fucking accurate light arts crazy
And I was like, yo, this is really fucking useful
Now I can decide what couch I want. Like this is the example
You need to show people because like this makes sense to me, right?
This is like a need that is now easier because of this technology
So like these things like oh an airdrop like okay
Maybe that's fun. Honestly, it would be fucking annoying
Like it's raining outside tonight in la and if I had to go outside
To collect an airdrop with my not waterproof apple vision pro and get electrocuted
I'd be fucking pissed right because I miss the airdrop because it's raining
Um, so I I just feel like sometimes we give these examples that sound really fun in our circle of degens
And i'm not at all saying oh don't do it
But like i'm not even on the mass adoption train like I really genuinely don't believe in it, but I
Do also think that a lot of these experiences, right?
like they're better when they're not in a bubble and not in a silo and
I just feel like sometimes we give the most obscure use cases when there's ones that actually make sense
Can I go out for a moment?
About some use cases. I have imagined for xr. I've been building for xr forever. I've been waiting for this for
Ever, uh, i'm really excited about usd, you know, so there's a scene description for everything for this for
actual composable scenes and actual little open
Like scene graphs that like natively can work together and we finally are having that coming with usd
It's going to became changing
That on chain is going to be also amazing
So basically composable like smart characters that can just work together talk to each other the same thing imagine that with
assets digital assets we have been working in
Fragmented media types in the 3d industry for so long like universe description finally brings everything in a cohesive manner to work together
Um, it's completely game changing been waiting for this forever and I have a question for buckets
Finally someone who might actually know this application. Are you familiar with octane x buckets?
And are you stoked on render network for the vision pro?
Yeah, for the second part I am familiar with the first thing you mentioned i'm not actually familiar, um, believe it or not
Okay, I work more i'm up early on
It's my obsession no 100 I was I actually pinged the devs while I was on this space
I really want to chime in on jen's point
Um, because I think jen you hit a really good point and I think a lot of the examples that we gave
Um, and i'm sorry to cut in but I really wanted to hit this and then I promise i'll get
um, i'm talking from a place of experience of and I try to you know talk when I can so
If you have a music nft where you have
A person in a discord the same where you have alpha
Callers in the alpha calling doing live trading you have a music
Nft and you have people in the discord
And now you have a augmented reality where you could have the piano in front of you and you could play
you know the piano augmentedly with a teacher or
Painting for the same example. I see a lot of different emotions
I mean i'm just being being like what me and my team I thought about when we try to implement where it's like
If you could paint or if you could sing or piano like you could do these lessons and be more immersed and more integrated
Um through through ar and vr so that those so yeah
I've been trying to build this for years, but really synthetic synesthesia. It's finally able to be possible now with uh, ai and ar
I'm i'm here for this. Thank you so much for bringing that up
Um, my the biggest thing i'm excited about is education really, um with vr and ar
Uh, this is one of the components i'm so stoked on with akku akutars
I if I was a kid growing up and learning about physics and space and and uh the world
I would want to learn from a character as ai of akku or something like that
Uh, I don't know one game comes up for a thumbs down for akku akku is awesome. I love it
No, no, it comes down as a piano teaching. Oh
I caught a piano lesson for his daughter this morning and my I lose students
Regularly to apps and this just makes for and these people are coming for my jobs
But finish your spiel and then i'll talk about some
It was mostly I was mostly just wanting to get explained in my
Excitement as a spatial learner as someone who thinks like, um visually like I would have learned
I would have been so excited to learn about my um the universe and
Just space and planets and in vr and like having I got a teacher that I trust it's like something like a character as ai
That i'm stoked. I like the idea of being there during covid and being able to actually help in in mixed reality
But I don't like these guitar hero apps. I'm a classical
That's totally totally fair. I don't know. That's very different to what i'm thinking of
I'm thinking of like a very well-built like con academy coming together with like
Characterized nfts and ai to also put your education on the blockchain
No, it would be so that you learn along the way and it's actually tracked. So
What's it called? Um, um soulband tokens kind of so but like the future of that? I don't know
I like the idea of a robotic companion and not in an erotic way. So like just like a homie like in star wars
No, why would it be in an erotic way like that because that's the first thing people will see when you
Okay, look you're all digimon, um, look we got it we're going in the hands
And then we have to shift into uh into another thing here. So
We got hands we're gonna go we'll go with all the hands everyone quick
Brief into the point. It's like 2 a.m
For me, and then we're going to do a 15 minute ama with game in our lovely sponsors for the month
Um, I want to throw it over to who has not spoken yet
I think nick actually hasn't had the chance to actually give his take yet. So so go ahead nick
And then and then we'll jump over thanks there was a meter for a second
Um when you have so many people in here leap, man, it's like a little lag
So I was looking at my 2017 repo
That my brother and our friend
Uh won a hackathon with it was a lift hackathon
And the prize were other festival tickets to outside lands, which is I know you love
Loud punks sleep. So outside lands if you're ever in the bay in august we should go together
It's kind of like a more laid-back coachella
But we got free tickets to that in like a vip kind of lounge area like a kind of cyber lounge
And our app was really simple
Um, basically we pinned all four stages. And so you would open up your phone
And point it around and it would show you where each stage was because sometimes, you know
You don't know where your next act is
And you have these complicated maps and they run they're dirty and folded up
So we're like, what have you just pulled out your phone and you're like, oh there's that lands end stage. There's the polo stage there
I hadn't checked my github in years
And apparently eight people forked it which is like i'm i'm very flattered by that like a fork is worth like a hundred retweets to me
Wish out to the forks and to the spoons
Um, I was gonna say one last thing buckets if you need a
uh, i'd be happy to work, uh for free for three months just to like
We used to have a like an inside joke at our company instead of seeking alpha seeking beta
We're like we should make that website
Well, look you guys link up in the dms and cook for us. Um, thanks. Nick. I'll throw it over to
To ben and then we we'll jump over to mumbot gen and then and then we got emily and then we go to gaming
Uh, hey. Yeah, thanks. Lee. Uh real quick. Um, I think uh that part of yeah, uh mixing
non meta verse xr or whatever the appropriate term that involves all of them are with um
Airdrops and all of that could be done in the right way and in the productive way like
Even if you are trying to tackle challenges related to preventive medicine and stuff like that
You want to like incentivize people to take a course of actions?
And reword them and then you have people that want to have shared data that is immutable like insurance companies healthcare companies, etc
You could try and do something that is almost like an airlock like mechanic to an extent. Um and
Give people benefits and leverage all this technology. It doesn't need to all be d gen all the time
and the blockchain would just make sense because it's easier and cheaper to share data that way and
A lot of times companies just don't share data amongst each other because there is no standardized way of doing it
And it costs a lot to do that and the blockchain helps solve this problem
So I think we shouldn't just exclude these because some people will leverage them on a pokemon go slash airdrop way
Shout out to pokemon go they had their chancy community day today. I don't know why I know that
Um, not even kidding. It was 2 p.m. Eastern to 4 p.m
Okay, that was just ridiculous the chancy is not thick okay
More pudgy. Oh, dude. She thick thick. Oh, how do you like my girl's pudgy?
Um, we gotta we gotta get this going. All right, we gotta I think I don't know who was next mumbot
What's up? What do you think?
Somebody please steal my idea and make it. Um
Okay, I have this cool idea
Historyality so it's like an ar experience
It's like you're trying time traveling but in real life
Let's say you're like in a building or even you're just out like on a street that got all like
Set up with my idea. So my idea is like you have a
You can pick different points of time
Like let's say the 20s and like you're in the you know
Experience and you're looking around and you can see exactly what that like google earth, but like you can see
I know exactly what you're saying and I had this idea, but it's so hard to execute. It's my
It's my idea. It's my idea. It's my idea. I'm giving my idea away. You can be CEO
Okay, hold up, can you slap mumbo?
Just take come on. All right. All right. Go ahead. There's a scene just like this mum, but I love the way your mind works
Have you seen the film lucy?
Oh starring scarlet johansson scarjo is awesome. Yeah
But she she's she's plugged into the like she she
Absorbed this chemical that made her
like open up to more and more percentages of of brain power until it reaches a hundred percent and as she's powering up
She ends up kind of in this spatial reality in times square and she goes
back all the way through time like
Exactly what you're experiencing but without the goggles, you know, so she's seeing a time lapse
she goes exactly like through the 20s in the 1800s and the
Before time square was even there and then and then all the way to the first like neanderthal
Yeah, like dinosaur time, but like I want it to be historically accurate
Yo mum, so so there's a demo right now in the apple vision pro that just allows you to have a dinosaur experience
So it's one of the it's like the first thing that's actually created by by apple
So you can try that out. So an evolving storyline
Basically featuring historical events is pretty cool. It's also future of uh, you know education in schools
Providing immersive experiences for children because i'm a little better
When we're little we actually do more dinosaur names than animal names
For fuck can mumbop finish the take jesus. I i'm gonna make y'all extinct like the dinosaurs. Look we
Thank you leap. Uh, no, dude, that's cool. I I haven't tried the apple vision pro yet
I can't wait but yeah, I basically was trying to say and go go too. Thanks. That that's cool
I'll go back and check out lucy. I
I was literally thinking though you could start small scale and like actually have it be historically accurate as far back as we know
like so with like whatever
Like people who are experts at fucking remodeling shit, right? Like from like the historical
You know and then going back to whatever however far back the documentation we we have
Access to and then obviously depending on how far back it goes. It would be having to be a little, you know
But I have two recommendations for you
One is assassins creed the video game
It takes place that game. I know assassins creed
Okay, and then the movie is exactly that they like put on ar and go back into
Barcelona and have to like kill some person or find out some clue about history
But imagine if we could actually do it though like for real like if we were putting on the goggles and we were like
Doing that exactly. That's what i'm saying. We can't do that would be I think that would be so special
there's a a city in the south that was um
That was just primarily like this well to do black
and I I don't want to get into this whole spiel about a history lesson
If you could go back in ar and revisit the way it was when it was at its peak
before this this whole war broke out on this town because
White town didn't like how successful it was before they it was just it was just destroyed
People can recreate some of that in museums and you see photos and old newspapers and all this stuff
But if you could create that in an ar experience and be able to walk through and see some of the people who actually lived there
And like that would be incredible mumbot. I agree
It would also be so good for learning experiences with children. I mean, yes, I wouldn't
You know, I got so bored in history class
But like if we did field trips to different towns like Williamsburg
you always went to Williamsburg and like you can actually see what it would look that look like back then like you'd probably learn a
Lot more and you'd you know, probably absorb it and it would stay with you a lot, you know better
Okay, all right umf first hands also, um, everyone's just so bullish on the future of the ar xr mr
You know, um, I hate to break it to you guys
But its main use case will be hentai and I would be willing to put a lot of money behind that bet
Um, look I want to it's just the truth. Okay, you know, I can't fight the truth. I want to go the hands
mumbot appreciate you and also I think that would be really cool and even what emily said from an education perspective would be
Phenomenal and also from a hentai perspective. I want to throw it quickly over to
Big dog habitat. Yeah, exactly. Uh, jen what's up?
Okay, two things one, um, I used to edit avn magazine
Sex tech is far beyond what any of you guys are talking about and has existed for a long time
Can't believe no one has educated themselves on that yet, but uh, it's there. Um, and
Uh one I appreciate. Um, I believe it was miyagi who answered my questions
Seriously on like the uses of ar I think like education, right? This all sounds amazing
I also look at like statistics of literally how
like there are so many schools where kids can't even afford lunch and
One we're in this world where also teachers aren't being paid the full wages. So maybe we will need this but like
Accessibility to education and like not taking away. I still I don't know. I like physical books
I like reading pages with paper. I'm probably so old-fashioned. Like I love this technology
I also think you gain so much from like turning the page of a book
um when you talk about music, right and it's actually
My background is in the music industry and over covid obviously, right? Like everyone kind of
Turned to these virtual experiences and so pre-covid i'd actually done a show we'd streamed
via vr to kids in a cancer ward
Um because they couldn't come to a concert, right and like one of the clients, uh had to arrive cancer
And like that was a really awesome use case
but we kind of saw that like
You know people were not it's not the same experience
Uh experiencing something virtually
Or in mixed reality or in any of these things and I understand that the technology is getting better
Um, but I think also like we get really excited when we talk about these things and I know that
Probably a lot of us have had a time in our lives where like the irl experience was not accessible and I think
That this technology is really great for that
um, but I also think that
Truly like irl experiences are so important
You know, we think these things are cool, but I think we've seen it firsthand where people really don't respond to that. Um
I love that about outside lands. I was literally there that year
and I think that you know, there's also something to be said with like
There's always these cool festival apps. No one ever has service then their phones die, right like at the end of the day
sometimes the use case is not so practical and
I just like there's not always a need for technology just because it can work sometimes like it being simple
Is better and it's not at all me like hating or being scared of this technology. Like I think it's awesome
I just think that there's gonna be ways if we think outside the box
like instead of replacing things it's like how can we look at this in a way that like
Solves problems that adds to experiences
But without taking away from them that isn't trying to like replicate an experience that we already have
right, but like is a completely different experience and i'm gonna be completely real like the first time I went into
Oh my god, the central land, right and it was like during covet when I was like
I hate my life. I want to be at the rave, right? Like i'm so sick of these fucking live stream concerts
like I want to kill myself and uh
Like the central end was like not trying to be it wasn't like a stream of a previous year, right?
It wasn't like a virtual dj set
It was a completely different experience and I think like I appreciated that a lot and so
Yeah in all these conversations. I feel like what's missing is like
What can this technology do that? We can't do in the real world. So
Um, I appreciated your answers. That's all
Thanks. Jen beautifully said
Also, if anybody knows what this is from i'll give them five dollars, but you have to you have to literally know what it is
And within the next 20 seconds
What what'd you say pokemon all right send me your wallet
Um, I guess in your box. Um, look I want because you're you're actually 100 correct. I want to have fire
No, no, no, it's um leaf green. Um, i'm i'm literally not even playing lavender town
I'm yeah on the way to lavender town. Yeah, actually. Yeah going through the the tunnel
Can I speak to some of the things that were said
Okay, we got two more hands left and then we're jumping over to gaming. Um, we go so
Yeah, I can send it to you in bitcoin. Yeah, just send me your wallet. Uh, all right, so I love everything everybody has said
I absolutely love everything. Um, i'm not sure from i'm not sure if you're familiar with a
with the spatial web, um 3.js and what?
Amazing stuff and then reactivate fiber on top of that allowing to develop with react in
Spatial web is a beautiful beautiful thing
Um cam anders is the is a goat. So is uh, mr. Doobie. Um
Really cool project that was built on that was one called like 2050. It's not going into history
but it was just really cool spatial website where you have to like spin the world around and then make predictions on where
Uh, you might see a specific place, uh being in like 2030 2050 2040 you'd be able to like put down
Uh, let's say like Vancouver, Italy, they used to be able to make a little prediction. It was just a really cool little blog site
But yeah, i'm really like three jaw.js. I like read just reposted it to my
It's one of the coolest websites that I literally when I first came across that like five years ago. I literally spent hours just
Going across the website and the thing I came across uh came away with that was like
websites have been losing
Attention and retention of attention for a long time
So I when I came across 3.js in the spatial web
I just saw this as like the most amazing beautiful building tool for retention of attention and micro mini games, um on the web. Um
beyond that, um, I just want to speak to like like my imagination of uh, a future of
um, extra electronics are like games outside like going beyond pokemon go like
partnering with like something like let's say nerf being able to turn any
Game and if you're let's say in these groups
It'll ping you and let you know there's a game popping up
Let's say in two hours the same way space would be letting you know
You'd be able to go out with and meet new this is the idea that i'm stoked on australity is it's putting people out?
This is why i'm 100 percent ar over vr pulls you outside
I mean it can pull people out of their space and meet new people
So like imagine you're a fusioner fan and you're just like you but you like you don't own all the nerf guns
like being in like a really high fidelity
and then being able to create using like the geo location to be able to create the
The synergy and the the map around the park would just be absolutely mind-blowing when you step outside
Like the little red markers come up when you're like leaving the map in a video game. You're like, oh you're doing help
Get back into that. Um, get back in the game
Um, and then but it's like a harmless it's not like it. This is just an example of like an arf shooter game
but it really could be any game type, um, a
capture the flag all in ar but like just
Philosophy like you're augmenting reality you're on it's on top. It's
I really liked what other people were saying about um, just adding to life, uh, not taking away
Jen, I think it was you who was mentioning the or maybe someone else mentioning the
Furniture and being able to see your furniture in the space
Uh, I I don't know if you're familiar with ikea was actually the first one to do that
They were really ahead of the game on that
They had an application for years out for being able to do that
Actually, it's really impressive when they like how long they actually had that out
It was really the only functional app. I saw for ar for the longest time. Like I was like, this is useful as hell
Um being able to just take any ikea
Okay, ikea I feel like you have to go in store
So I feel like this was like just being able to what you were able to say speaking to before about being able to test
Be like yeah, it fits here dimensionally. Uh, that was something they had already built and using the lidar
Trajection of years now. Yeah, actually, they're really really really ahead of the game on this
Props to them. That's big props big props. No, no huge problems
Yeah, no super useful tool one of the biggest like actual useful tools. I ever saw out there
That's what we use at my company we use lidar detectives so I can attest to that lidar in the future
A nerf xr right that'd be so fun. Like you know things usually oh, yo, there's 50 people like
And everybody's pulls up and everybody's like and you don't have to have a gun
This is the best part is you it allows you to now have to actually
Physically go out and buy the products and own the products you can get the xr version and you can it's more accessible
But the headset is four thousand dollars. Isn't that more?
Five to eight years from now i'm not building for today
This dude division pro one is not what i've been building for i've been building for version five
Not not version one. Yeah, like I have to say we're in like the
Flats the not the flat screen. We're in like the actually we are we're in like the plasma
tv arrow remember that shit when like 720p came out and like 1080p came out and it was like
$1,000 fifteen hundred dollars for like a hundred
2020 and then you know as time went on users, you know increased more demand and then it got cheaper. I
Has this all planned out. They actually probably have a device probably ready. That's cheap
You're gonna get like a skinny visor pro and you're gonna be able to finance it through
Verizon and t-mobile and it'll come with the combo plan rebate christmas
What tetra has been posting like a kids. I don't know your
Clipsio, I don't know like what you guys have been posting like the slimmer
What i'm building for like that like it's coming
Everyone every company is building for this like there's such a competitive market
Like there's the this is the competitive market in my opinion
Like the way I see vr and ar like it's just a simple ideology, but I see ar as phones. I see vr as
Uh video game systems and consoles super super super generalized super super like
Like but that's just kind of like a really
Overarching umber like yeah, I see it
So I mean I can't wait for for hentai technology to be more accessible emily
Um, all right talk to us and then we're we're jumping over to game and what do you think emily?
Okay, i'll just keep it very very brief. I know you want to get get through this. Um, I you know on the heels of
Facebook turning 20 or whatever the hell is going on today for them. Um, you know mark zuck. He went on he had a vice
Uh vice sort of thing happened today and they said that zuckerberg
Uh boasts he will be an ai god king because of you know
He's been data scraping us basically for the last 20 years and it's just I read this article today and I thought to myself
It was interesting not not because of him or any of his boasting but because of the fact that I think ownership in general
Like of ourselves of the things our visions of our ip of this of that of the other thing
it's going to be I think there's going to be a lot of um dissonance coming up in the future about ownership and and what it
It really means like when all of this technology kind of comes to the forefront because
It's going to be harder and harder and harder
I believe to prove this quote unquote ownership when all of this stuff is being made out of like data that has been
You know scraped or consumed or whatever
So it's all kind of going to mesh together
and I think that going back to what buckets was saying for the you know, um what he was feeling for the the fear and
And fear of technology. I think that there is a weird subliminal thing that happens within us that maybe
Is coming to the surface about this about like ownership of self ownership of image ownership of whatever that maybe we're feeling that
But I think moreover the fear thing we have to be careful when we uh, we think about this because sometimes fear is mongered for
from certain corporations and and
put into the general public to um
I don't know spearhead like where the finance is going to go to like they they want to create fear in certain realms so that
You know, uh, they can take control and power and this is a little bit, you know sideways but like can really
Hustle and get all of the money and it's just all based around greed
So like just you know when you think about things like that think about like where you're actually
Where that fear is coming from is is it coming from an outside source?
That's breeding it within you or is it something that's actually within you and you're and you're expressing that so
Just a couple of things to think about as we close this space
Thanks, Emily. Appreciate you
Um, and I I know we have some hands up and I know we want to talk about this a little bit more
We can come back to it in 15 minutes
We're going to jump into a 15 minute kind of q&a with with gaiman
They've been so kind to sponsor my space for for the month
Which I really do appreciate and it helps creators continue to build and do the things that we love to do
Game and look you guys are in gaming you're doing a bunch of stuff, too. I guess like firstly
Give people like a brief kind of rundown tldr of what gaiman is and then i'll go into a couple more pointed questions
Yeah, thanks leap. Hey everybody
Gaiman what we do is effectively merge three big narratives. Uh, so we merge ai gaming and dpin
We solve a huge problem in the world
Uh, so right now there's like severe under resourced
Uh, sorry, we're severely under resourced with gpu's for computational power around the world
You guys are just talking about zuckerberg with ai. He just went and spent 10 and a half billion
Uh, sam altman founder of open AI
Uh is raising eight billion dollars with I believe softbank in japan right now to buy more gpu's
Uh, so it's a massive problem
And only the big companies are really like sort of getting on on top of this because they have the money to do so
Because gpu's are expensive and at the moment computational power is right now as well
For those who don't know what a gpu is. It's a graphics processing unit. You can find it in
And so gaiman five years ago, they figured out this was going to be a problem
And so they started building
Uh a gaming platform to attract gamers around the world
Because they figured out that the largest dormant supply of gpu's in the world
Sits idle in the pcs of everyday gamers
And so what they've done to date is they built a gaming platform. That's like an aws cross steam
They've amassed 300 000 downloads. They have 50 000 monthly active users
Sharing their gpu with us and we have also
Created 500 000 in revenue for our users as well
Uh, and this is all our numbers just coming out of beta. We haven't actually really started marketing yet
That's a little bit of a yeah, just a summary on what gaming is
Okay, so what's your take on
On everything that you're hearing here in the space you've been listening here for a few minutes now
Ar vr ai, whatever it might be like, how does gaiman do you think you could contribute to that side of things?
Like I mean, how are you thinking about it?
Yeah, it's cool that uh, you've asked me that I was actually just thinking about this
So like you guys are all talking about ai right now, uh, and like just technology that
Basically requires computational power. So as if you notice in our name, we've actually got the lettering
Because five years ago when these guys figured this out
They knew that this was going to be a problem because of the ai boom the ai revolution and ai
Requires so much computational power for photo generative and video generative services
And even llm models and that's actually what we do. We power
One of three things we power blockchains
We do we like we can run node networks mining
things like that that are like essential for powering blockchain number two is we
Uh actually power us. Sorry. Sorry we offer rendering for ai companies for photo generative services
uh, we also offer that to other companies who really like require a lot of rendering such as like
meteorologists data science research centers
People like that and even even movies movie companies that I think it took
Monsters monsters university or monsters inc university like a year
To render their their movie based on the gpu's or computational power that they had at one stage
It would have taken us with the amount of gpu's that we have
About a few days just to do that for them
So you can sort of see like this the size of the problem that we we solve
Uh, and also we power llm models. So
Uh, an llm model is like a language learning model like chat gpt
um, so yeah, like, you know ai really is at the forefront of things that we are trying to actually power and solve and
To be honest like this problem of computational power is only going to get worse
like we've the the cost is already skyrocketing and because we are
We are a decentralized network of gpu's we can offer the computational power at a tenth of the cost
No one can compete with us
Alternatives like render network, which i'm sure you've all heard of as well
There are top 50 coin 1.7. Actually, I can't talk too much about that on this space for obvious reasons. Sorry. Sorry leap
But anyway, we uh, they they're a gpu
Basically like a gpu sharing network as well
But we have well over a hundred times their supply with the size size of what we are right now
So yeah, like I guess my thoughts on ai moving forward is that like i'm sort of looking forward to it
In terms of like the size of the demand that's going to happen
Like even with what you were just talking about before with the the vision pro like spatial computing and things like that
like that is stuff that we
Immediately indirectly solve a problem for in terms of cost for computational power
Do you think dpin has been slapped on just like as a kind of like a side of the industry overall in crypto
Like obviously there's been a lot more focus on on things like that as well
Um recently with even helium
doing doing really well based off the hype from
You know among many other things but the the salon of phone so I mean just in terms of dpin in general
I mean, I think dpin is like definitely slept on leave like
Think think about it like this, right?
Like what are some of the biggest companies in the world that we know that are actually dpins, right?
Like these are companies that they effectively have no they own no assets, right?
Yet, they're one of the biggest companies in the world because they effectively act as this middleman, right like helium
It's a lot more relevant to like a web the web3 space
Gaming is deep in like we are in the world's largest source of decentralized
GPUs like and again, like I think people get mixed up with this so dpin stands for decentralized physical
Infrastructure network if you haven't heard of that before
But it's definitely like slept on right now
And they they actually think that it's going to be like one of the top narratives
In this run because there are a lot of different companies that have different sort of dpins, right?
So we're the we're the biggest in the world by far for gpu's like in terms of a dpin
But there's other forms of dpin as well
But yeah, I think I think people that like sort of need to start researching the hashtag dpin
On uh on x to sort of do their research for sure
100 and also we'll do a little q and a I know seoul wants to ask about
About render network as well. Um, well, I wanted to ask you game and
For for people that like do you want to get involved? Like what is the best way for them to get involved?
Yeah, look we actually so can I talk about nfts lee?
Awesome. Awesome. I just don't know what the legalities are that uh
Uh, look and we respect that too because we're a regulated company in switzerland
But um, look if you want to get involved
Uh, we have we have a token basically that is gmrx. That's up and coming soon
But it is in q1, uh, that is like the central token to our ecosystem. It has four utilities
Uh, when I say four one, it's the currency that we use to pay our gp
Well, we we will be using sorry to pay our uh, gpu sharers for sharing their gpu with us
Currently we use usdc, but it's like kind of problematic
Uh, number two is it's like the the platform credit that we're going to be using for our in-app marketplace for our nfts
So, um, you know, we have like one of the highest daily on-chain activities in a number of categories on dap radar
Um, but 99 of our downloads are all web 280s
They actually have no idea that they contribute to this on-chain activity
So we don't actually call it nfts in the platform. We call it da
Dga's digital gaming assets and we don't use web 3jarg and we just sort of keep it real simple
So that everyday gamers can just come on the platform play games
With one click monetization with their gpu. That's the second utility third is that uh,
We have we also own an e-sports organization. It's actually the third best e-sports organization in the world
We've had 53 top three placings in the last 12 months
We've won five t1 majors back to back, which is a record and we've amassed 12 billion impressions
This is part of our flagship marketing strategy to onboard millions more gamers
so we're going to take that monthly active user basis like currently over 50 000 to
You know hundreds of thousands hundreds of thousands in the next six months
Uh, but uh, it's also going to be we're also going to have a fan token as part of gmrx as well
That's the third utility and the fourth will be a launchpad
Uh, you know, even though we're going to have millions of plays in the next 12 months
Uh, we're going to inevitably inevitably offer web 3 offerings for different games that sort of plug
I would say develop a toolkit into the web 2 games, but we're also onboarding web 3 games as well. So
Uh, there's there's a number of ways that we're doing it, but that's the fourth so you want to get involved that's coming soon
Uh, each nft though, if you buy it you buy one, we have two nft collections one on soul one on e
Uh, you can check it out gaming gladiators is on magic eden or tensor. You want to check out the soul one on eath? It's uh,
Uh, that's a game and genesis collection
Uh, all the nfts have tokens attached to it
You can go in and like sort of ask the telegram or the discord community how much each has to it
But it's actually a significant amount like the flana nft has a preallocation of 119
That public sale round so which is which is the listing price on the token
Um, but that's all yet to be disclosed
Um, that's how you get involved
What uh, what percentage of your people do you think are are just like web 2 gamers and know nothing about crypto?
Um in terms of the platform downloads, I would say it's 99 because
When we when we do marketing, right like right now
We we actually market to web 2 people for downloads like it's just everyday gamers
And so like, you know, we're able to achieve a download and install for 40 cents
It's actually between 40 and 60 cents
So that's download install create a wallet and it costs people like finance about 10 bucks to do the same thing
Um, but like so we're we're majority there focusing on web 2 gamers
However, we have a web 3 divisions in the business
And so that's why you sort of see a lot of engagement and it's like a decent amount of success with our
Uh different nft collections and our that twitter telegram discord
That's all majority focused on web 3 audiences
So like we've kind of got this perfect blend going and I guess our adoption speaks volumes to sort of how well that's going as well
Like when they find out that it's that's crypto integrated and this blockchain related
Do they have a reaction? Is it negative? Is it positive? Like what have you seen there?
Uh, it's only been positive. Uh, I think we like to call ourselves a web to
Once people are using and they sort of just see that it's okay. It's it's a it's a gaming platform
uh, they don't really have anything to say about it once they do find out that there is like
Nft that are attached to it because they realize all along
Hang in a sec all these all these dga's digital gaming assets in the nft marketplace
They're all nfts, right? And so like they then they jump into the community. They see that it's active
They see that it's vibrant
You know, like there's there's so many touch points that they can then see once they sort of do a bit more digging to find
Out hey, like this isn't all that bad
And so it's kind of like a cool way that we're also able to introduce
Web 2 people to the concept of web 3 in a very sort of like low touch way
And so look i'm sure there's been like one or two odd people here and there that might have come in and going
Oh, this looks like a scam because once they hear it's web 3
It you know everyone like not everyone but a lot of people have a stigma
uh in web like in web 2 in irl about
Nfts about like blockchain and things like that
And so they you know, they maybe have this like sort of just negative connotation that they kind of can't shake
Uh, but mostly like yeah, it's actually been a pretty positive experience
I think for most people that have come in we have a lot of people that said like we found you on a youtube ad and
Oh, this is like nfts. Oh, like actually i've heard about this on the news and this is stuff that comes in
Through our discord like we see the conversations happening. It's pretty cool
Amazing well, look I want to throw it to like we do a little q&a here with the stage. Uh, so what's going on?
Sorry one second. Yeah. Hey, I am so excited to talk about this. Oh my gosh
I have literally been covering render. I first found render five years ago in 3d class or 3d like this is
Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited
Questions for you. I'm not going to talk about like numbers because like i'm not I don't like I don't have the numbers and GPUs. Um
That's really exciting. That sounds like you guys are going to onboard like so many people. Uh, i'm like all in on deepin
Super excited for you guys to be here. Yeah, I was I was talking with uh, furo
Uh about you guys a bit. Um, one of your gamers
Yeah, this is yeah. I'm just really excited about this project. I am curious about your thoughts on render not just not
Don't want to get competitive about this, but just uh, i'm really excited about what they're doing
I'm really excited about their connection and partnership with apple
And i'm really excited about the possibility of like inferencing. Um
Like decentralized like I don't see training really being all that useful that makes more sense for large like scaled
But uh like commercial GPUs, but I see a future for AI inferencing
On like on a decentralized scale like I see every single apple
Device really being able to be a node
On and like like i'm not sure if you are aware of this
But the octanex application already launched on every single
Device apple device that uh has an m1 chip that is like an ipad
Or the vision pro now as well is on is it connected to render network seamlessly?
Anytime it drops lag basically
The ideology is that any time that a user is running around really fast moving at 8k
render network seamlessly falls in step to pick up the weight and
Is like I just see this is the most seamless and most beautiful thing ever in deepin
Uh, it is the biggest partnership. No one's talking about
I've been covering this on
I like I have I started like a render only podcast like we're at home talk about render. All right. All right
All right. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Go for like like like i'm just so at rem. So all in on render man
What do you mean a question that uh for game in or anything like that? Uh, yeah, I asked his thoughts on render and it's
Connection with apple and its expansion and where it's going to grow. Um
I guess I actually do want me to just out when they ask me about the project actually. Yeah, that's probably fair
Uh, I don't know i'm talking about render. Look, I think renderer great alternative, you know, uh, they they've done amazing like
The the great marketing their product and they've managed to get a couple of cool partnerships under the belt like the las vegas fee
Uh, and whether there's an actual official partnership with apple or not
I'm not 100 sure but they're definitely doing some like testing over there by the sounds of it
And I think I read an article where they they said that they were doing that, uh, which is really cool
You know like render are a great alternative. They have
Gpu's online per quarter. So that's online per every three months. We have over 50,000 per month
Uh, so like we're just like we think that they're great. We would love to power them
We are like kind of the the global dominant
source of gpu's that are decentralized and
Where are these are our numbers coming out of beta? Like we've just got crazy adoption, which is really cool
Uh on chain stuff through through dump radar. I'm really excited about that
Yeah, man, definitely definitely check it out and their numbers like I I get from their own medium articles
I love reading about render. So, you know, like we'd love to work with them in the future like a cash
500 bill market cap they've got 159 gpu's however, their model's a little bit different
Um, but like yeah, we we focus on a decentralized model
And so I think the like best comparison would be render network for sure
Um, and yeah, like I I think like what they're doing is great like hands down. There's no doubt that what they've achieved is amazing
Yeah, sounds like you're taking more of a gamer approach is completely it's just slightly different. I'm not slightly. That's quite different actually
And honestly kind of smarter because like they decided to use the gamer idol gpu's to just power it
but it sounds like you're actually doing both powering it
and integrating the gamers into a full like platform that sounds like much more
What's the word I don't know just uh
Connected in power. It's an easier. It's an easier onboarding man. Like yeah, so
Monetization like there's two steps on how to connect your gpu to our platform
You literally just download it at game and sorry download the platform the gaming platform
At game and gg on your on your windows not yet available on mac, but it will be soon. Uh, we also have an android
Mobile app which you can you can use as well
There's like watch to earn on both both of them as well
But you can literally just download the app at gaming dot gg
And then as soon as you've downloaded it you open it up and up the like you see all the games and up the top
Right hand corner. There's a button. It's called monetization. You just click it
And that's it. It's done. Like your gpu is connected. Wow. That is
Game changing because it's so much more complicated for both ionet render. They're much more complicated
Yeah, I guess I haven't even talked about ionet too. You're probably familiar with them as well. Yeah
That's much easier that is so much simpler than the other alternative. So yeah, I want to give you props for that because wow
Awesome, um, but cool. I'll let you keep going
No, no, I think that's really cool
Like that they're they're also quite big and we figured out that like, you know targeting gamers make sense that there's 1.6
Billion desktop gamers like for us to just reach like, you know
A couple of million or even 10 or 20 30 million is like no real big chunk out of the gaming
Um sort of like ecosystems of pc gamers
So, you know, we've already like got this huge e-sports organization has like it's like the most watched and most visited team
with our dota 2 team, which is one of the teams that we have in
2023 like we we like by far like like like one of the most dominant teams there even though we just like we
We lost a couple in that last uh last couple of uh t1s
But anyway, uh point being is like, you know, we've got the ability to really like scale this
In the in the coming year, which is really cool
Thanks for one thing's game and I want to go over to mumbop mumbop. What are you thinking? What's up?
Oh, I was just wondering so, um, you guys built a different option from like filecoin or akash
Those are built on cosmos, right? So this is like something
I can't remember the exact vernacular, but they're effectively like they're trying to be the global computer. I think right
Not focused on interoperability
Right, like I i'm just trying to understand i'm i'm I don't know all the ins and outs or anything
I'm curious like if someone is building something on like unreal engine and they want it to
They want it to use like a decentralized
Uh server what they would like how would they work with you?
So look like yeah when we like create
Instances or or whatever for like any company like everything that we do is either
Like it's kind of we don't really have a cookie cutter approach. We have like custom
Uh builds that we do at the moment
So we we effectively like bring someone in our processes that they sign an mou and right now it's very manual
Uh, we create a test environment for them
They test it out for if they want a few days or a couple of weeks couple of months
And then we scale it for them from there. And so like they effectively just have to create api calls to plug into our network
And uh, they can effectively just start using our computational power
Like and we can we can sort of do it in so many different ways for different people like we can power
Um, like you mentioned file coin before which is kind of a different
Style of industry, but like to be honest with our network
We've already looked into storage with our with our database. That is something that we can do
I haven't said this out loud before but that's actually kind of on the hidden roadmap
So there's some mouth of it
These are things that we can do because of the tech that we've built and so we built our own tech
We've been building for about five six years
Uh, we've been in beta for about a year and we're just coming out of it
And so yeah, like as we sort of come out of it with these like final feature updates and whatnot
We plan on like sort of scaling is like quite quite significantly, you know
Um users right now they're making between like 60 cents to a dollar per day
And that's just kind of like us like idling with monetization. It's a little it's it's mining
It's uh, it's rendering jobs that come in here and then they find us organically
like to give you an idea of how much users are making like this this might blow some of your minds but
When a rendering job comes through
Users like a few weeks back we're all jumping up and down like crazy as they should like i'd be excited too
Because they all made six between sixteen dollars to twenty four dollars in a day. Excuse me in one day
It actually took like a couple of hours to complete the rendering job
So really it was like 16 to 24 dollars in a couple of hours and the the variance was based on
uh, the quality of their gpu
so if they had a sort of like I don't know like if if it was versus like something that was a little bit like
low tech versus high tech
You can tell i'm not the tech guy because I can't even remember the names of the gpu's 20 30 to 30 90
Oh my god, okay. I'm terrible right now
Anyway, so that that was basically the variance and so like oh people also don't know this like
Like centralized gpu warehouses or data centers, if you will
They rent their like industrial grade gpu's out for anywhere between like five thousand dollars to twenty thousand dollars per month
Her gpu. This is this is real numbers guys
Like people don't realize how much computational power ai takes up like it's insane
Please go and google this and fact check it yourself. We certainly have
We believe that with gamer grade gpu's just on initial testing and just when jobs come through
We could be making gamers like between three and five thousand dollars per month
A per gpu in probably like the next 12 to 24 months, but that's the sort of scale that we're pushing
Towards and that's super real like, you know
Like I just kind of gave you an example of when one job came through
They made that much money like 16 to 24 dollars in a day in just a matter of a couple of hours
You know, like if we had a few jobs that come through in that day, that's like a hundred bucks, right?
Between like 80 to 100 bucks. So like you sort of start to get the the picture
I hope my math was correct there, by the way
But yeah, so you sort of start to get the picture of like how crazy this becomes, you know
But look I don't want to talk talk or sell it too much to be honest the product sells itself
It's like it's a it's an amazing business
The flywheel they have of bringing gaming ai and dpn like all in one
It's just it's ridiculous like it blows my mind. Um, and yeah, by the way, I've missed this
By the way, we are the first ever coin market cap incubator project
For a marketing incubation to push us to their 64 million daily active users, which is actually 350
Million monthly active users. They're the biggest portal that exists in crypto. Obviously, you'll know
Number one most trusted trusted source for I guess crypto, uh, like with i'm sure the amount of people that use it
And then we're also the one and only
Web-free gaming ambassadors for bnb chain
And you can guys can go check check this. This is pretty pretty cool stuff
They've tweeted about us multiple times both of those people but you'll be seeing a lot more from coin market cap
We got like a 12 month contract with them and we were the one
And only people selected out of like thousands of people that applied for their uh, their incubation programs
So we're pretty pretty excited about that
So I actually think that's that's a great way to wrap this up
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