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How can we make sure Web 3 gaming never takes off? Aggregated 153
Recorded: March 13, 2026 Duration: 2:17:12Space Recording
Full Transcription
Music Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hello? Can anybody hear me?
Yep, we can hear you.
Oh, wonderful. That is wild.
This thing has been super glitchy today.
I don't know what's happening.
How are you doing, everybody?
Is that Nicole behind the quick swap account?
Yep, that's me.
Hmm, no panda today. Yep, that's me. No Panda today.
Panda's in the car today.
Oh, nice.
Nice, awesome.
Well, welcome everybody to the 153rd episode of The Aggregated.
Today shows how can we make sure Web3 Gaming never takes off.
Wow, definitely
was named, Panda named that
one for sure.
But yeah, welcome
everybody.
I don't know, Luke, do you want to
I don't know, are you behind the Medieval account or are you behind
your own or where are you at?
I'm behind my account
and I need myself twice.
Like, I think every 9 now, and I hear myself twice. Like, I think everyone here can hear twice.
I think you are...
Damn it.
I'm what?
Am I the only one that hears myself twice?
No, I can hear you.
Fine.
No, I think you've got a bad echo.
No, he doesn't have an echo.
I can hear him just fine.
Yeah, no, you are giving the echo.
You're the problem.
Do I have an echo?
Yes.
Yes.
Echo.
Echo.
No, if you mute yourself. Yes. Echo. Echo. No, if you mute yourself.
Yes.
Oh, fuck that.
Yeah.
Oh, thank you.
Way better.
That was weird.
I also hear you.
No, you're lying.
I know that.
I heard that when you started talking.
No, I think either you have the space open in the background as well.
So, Ryder writer once you talk
i hear myself twice but uh yeah happy to be here i'm luke uh i do marketing and ambassador work
especially in gaming and yes i think i'm not sure if rasmus uh chose the space title or darren but
uh chose the space title or darren but uh yeah i think it's rage bait
because we know that web3 gaming will take off eventually
well not we're here to make sure it doesn't
okay i think rider needs to fix this microphone somehow
i like the sound right it's got it's got you know okay now we have to stage for so yeah hey
Anna welcome welcome to the new era of gaming on the Medieval Empires account.
No, just kidding.
On Quickswap.
On Quickswap.
Hey, Luke, what is it going to take for you to move to base also?
I've seen that Quickswap is like the best decks on base now.
Yeah.
base everything, right?
Base everything, right?
Tokenize everything.
I mean, we have the biggest app now
on the base app. That's pretty cool.
Yeah, how does that work?
Most users.
How many is that?
How many is most users?
I think we have like 17,000 weekly
users right now on the app,
in the base app, on the Planned Ix app.
Oh, really?
Well, that's actually quite cool.
Why don't you send them all to join us here in the space?
You know, because they're all Chinese.
Okay.
They don't understand what you're saying.
They're like, the fuck is this German guy talking about?
Show me your bonsais.
Maybe if you showed them your bonsais, they would actually come.
You know, usually I think the space starts with introductions.
And since Ryder is not here, we can pass it around.
Rasmus, we'll skip you because no one likes you.
So, Nadim, how are you doing today?
Who is Nadim?
Oh, that was harsh.
What's up, man? Yeah, Lukeke is jealous i'm used to it by now
dude oh man i think the topic's hilarious uh luke man good to see you brother good to share a space with you um i'm good man i just got out of dude i had swine flu here
uh i was like out for six days i couldn't move i could even leave
the bed dude uh how does how does swine flu feel worse than regular flu like um it's weird because
there was no throat pain there's nothing like i'm not coughing off any phlegm um my entire body is
in pain like so you're on the bed you're sleeping but there's nothing
you're completely this comfortable depending on doesn't matter what side you're lying on you're
extremely uncomfortable oh my god oh dude it was awful man i would wake up in four and four a.m
and i would have to take a cold shower because there's nothing else that would lower the
temperature but yeah i'm finally alive again thank god happy to be here uh just in time
for the space love it uh by the way nicole you can also shoot me a co-host invite uh you declined
it i did but yeah yeah no that was there was the beginning of the space like everything was
fucked up i i accepted it got on stage and everything was silent after that so
let's see if that happens again if i'm gone Nicole didn't message me about that again what the fuck
is this guy doing why do you reject it yeah how we get luke out of here i'm back again can you am i
echoing this time oh no no it's good i i tried to can me? Yep, Rock, we can hear you.
This is so glitchy.
I've been trying to join for like 20 minutes.
I was jumping between devices trying to get on.
So, yeah.
Yeah, it also seems like listeners uh jump in and out um we had that last
week i think as well on a space where only the speakers could hear anything then we were like
four speakers and listeners just jumped in and out because they couldn't hear anything and we
had a lovely 20-minute conversation just us So maybe it's one of those days today.
But yeah.
Brock. This is how we make sure
that Web3 gaming fails. We host on
hacks.
Yeah you did it on purpose.
I couldn't
even get into the space at all
at first. For like 10
minutes. I couldn't even
like I'd click into it just that it just like closed
did it did it say uh the space had ended when you did that no because that happened last time
no i just would click it and it would just close this is like This is like it's a theater play where we're pretending to be starting a web-free game.
I also just sent Jared an invite to speak
and it automatically declined and says there was a problem.
So, Jared, you're out today.
No, just kidding.
Try to rejoin.
Did you start the PC,
the space from the PC, Nicole?
No, I couldn't, actually.
I had to start a different space
because it wouldn't let me start the original space.
So, no, it's
running from my phone.
Oh, maybe that's also why there's not a lot
of listeners because
we're not using.
Yeah, because the original space
would not start. Yeah, I the original space would not start.
Yeah, I had to create a new one.
Okay.
You trust a m'lady to do a man's job.
Wow.
I love it.
I take back my laugh.
We do not condone that kind of talk around here, Darren.
You should be shit with yourself, Darren.
I was hoping Nicole would have said something.
I was waiting for a spicy comeback.
Oh, yeah?
She's too intelligent for that.
She's lining them up now.
I've got to try dragging down to my level i can't
go up to her level that's the issue oh no space now everyone's silent everyone's silent
yeah the space is pretty glitchy.
I tried to bring up people there and invite them to speak.
Jared just sends me thumbs down the whole day.
I'm just clicking all the emoji cons.
I don't know.
It's a weird day.
I mean, it's Friday the 13th.
I guess.
Maybe that's the thing.
But yeah, I'm not sure if I'm even supposed to be in a co-host role,
but Darren asks if we want to combine the spaces,
and I usually take everything over once I'm in something.
But no, let's pass it to Aztec.
I'm so German of you.
Yeah, we like taking things over.
But as you guys usually don't introduce yourself,
and I'm in a co-host seat, Aztec, would you mind telling us who you are and what you do in the space?
Hey, GM, GM, guys. Good morning.
I am the CSO at Lunar Digital Assets, Fullstack Blockchain Venture Studio studio also libvm co-founder uh
co-host of the aggregated and a bunch of stuff uh just like everyone in crypto for a lot of hats
good to be here with all of you guys thank you luke yeah but you're no longer the cause of the aggregated that's me now yeah you're the captain of the ship bro yep most
likely that's why it's glitchy today and it won't work but yeah it's the Luke
takeover man I like it I need it man I was up all last night, so I talked to Darren.
I was like, is Luke coming?
Is he going to save us?
Yeah, apparently I'm here to save the space, but not Web3 Gaming.
But now that I'm co-host, I can also switch the title, right, to say it's inevitable.
Yeah, you could change it to Luke is saving the aggregated and Web3 Gaming altogether.
Maybe that's a good question. Maybe we pass it first to Darren, since he's driving and can't concentrate. Why did you choose the title? Was it Ragebait?
trade why did you choose the title was it rage bait basically Rasmus wrote that
down and I was like that's a great idea awesome yeah but yeah I was like when you
set up this base can you call it this and he was likeistan. I was like, when you set up the space, can you call it this? And he was like, really?
And I was like, absolutely.
And then he was still like, really, really?
But yeah, he went for it.
He's a good one.
That's a great name.
You know, you've got to go pounder.
You know, we've been having spaces for years
checking how it's going to succeed.
And it has just gone down.
You know, we're trying the opposite.
Yeah, maybe we can start with my portfolio update as usual.
And speak about how that might change.
Let's hear about that, Luke.
I would actually like to...
All-time profit is down minus 90%.
So we're $2,948 and minus from the original $3,200.
There's $300 left.
You put $100 into what theory to talk about?
Yes, that's right.
What's the one now again? It's now at $300.
So this space is going to mark the bottom, Luke, and it's only up from here.
Yeah, speaking of which, if you look at the CoinMarketCap altcoin season index,
it climbed and it's still climbing. It's now at $40. So maybe that's what we need if you look back it was at
like 10 15 uh and starting december it started to climb again and now it's at 41 and um maybe
we'll break into some sort of altcoin season which would indicate that we could also have a gaming season because if you
look at the um the the chart some of the gaming tokens actually had popped off uh some of it was
like i think fraudulent behavior and some really good marketing campaigns if you look at pixel
who went up to almost 2.5 billion ftvV, which is, I think, the highest sum of the gaming tokens ever climbed.
But it also went down 95% directly afterwards and is now at 40 million FDV again.
Then Pixels had a really good run-up or is still in a run-up.
up and there are lots of ronin tokens apparently that uh have a really good run up if you look at
And there are lots of Ronin tokens, apparently, that have a really good run-up.
pixels today it's up 45 even uh i mean it's still down overall 95 but maybe it's a comeback uh that not sure but you know what's funny is if the cmc index was only up because of like some irl asset
like gold and silver and oil or something it's like oh it's not even us yeah there's a coin mark
20 index uh that they also have which is up six percent over the last seven days but if you look at the
altcoin season index the top performing tokens are vvv i am not even sure what it is kite river
stable morpho is quite up i think because they they had the wallet integration thing with Katana, so maybe that's something.
Sky, I don't even know.
Hype is up 25%.
Pi, which is one of the biggest scams, is up 23%.
So maybe it's scam season again.
That could also be...
Trumpcoin is up 44%.
Jesus Christ.
What? What?
What is it?
Sorry.
I don't know what else to say about that.
I love how you really feel, Luke.
Yeah, but...
But maybe we'll have an Iotcoin season and then it's gaming season because...
Can anyone tell me right now what kind of narrative we have on overall
crypto twitter uh happy to hear that because then maybe if we don't have one we bring back
gaming season um anyone hands up or just throw it in a room what kind of narrative is currently on ct art money web 3. buy bitcoin just trying not to die
yeah see so based on this if you look at it there's i i mean we had prediction markets
uh we had info file which i'm glad is over um it's probably going to be i mean realistically ai um ai and rwas are just going to start
you know taking off but ai
yeah but it really is survival season you know like builder mode and survival season i think
those are the main narratives like um yeah that's it's definitely what it is dude did you see speaking of survival season the
dude that uh swapped 50 million to uh arve and then yes oh my,000? How does that even happen? Did you guys see Sandeep's
comment on
Stani's post?
No, what did you say?
I'm paraphrasing because
I can't, it's not in front of me
but I read it last night.
He was like
oh, but maybe this is some guy that's kind of like washing funds
and like he's like and then at the end of it like i have his little post he's like but i know this
is like a totally you know conspiracy theory um i wouldn't want to i don't know something along
those lines but it was it's pretty hilarious but but can someone explain me how that works so
he swapped it uh other um got like a half a million i think in in fees from that swap uh but what
happened to the rest of the money like is it just gone or so the weirdly cow swap routed through the sushi swap bill instead of the unit swap bill
that had like seven million dollars in it so it basically just got arbitraged almost immediately
from that bill but yeah i mean there just wasn't enough liquidity for them to buy that much uh
token so you got like yeah 35k or K or whatever, and then, uh,
chunked into the bill.
Yeah. So like the, the money kind of turns into fees,
uh, is one, one part of it. And, uh,
Stanny's saying that Aave's I guess taking,
I think it was like 600,,000, $700,000 and giving it to the guy.
And then, yeah, I guess the rest just gets arbitraged out.
Is that correct, right?
I found it for you and I posted it for you.
And if you want to pin it, you can. If you want to go look, I sent it for you. And if you want to pin it, you can. I just, if you want to go look, I sent it to you.
Nice.
Yeah, but I think it's funny that then Arva said,
yeah, at least we give you back the fees.
Hey, you lost 50 million.
You have half a million back.
But yeah, maybe that's the state of the market.
But speaking of the topic,
do you guys think that gaming could ever come back as a season?
And what would be the thing that kicks it off?
I mean, we had a couple of gaming tokens, as I said,
like Pixel run up, but went down.
But if you look at most of the gaming tokens,
they're pretty much down only lately.
Is it because of the like the gaming narrative dying?
Or is it just I mean, if you my portfolio just looks down 90%,
but if I look at my normal portfolio, it doesn't look that much better.
I mean, most of the bigger tokens, especially from 2021,
they are all down.
So what needs to change?
And will we see a gaming season?
Feel free to just jump in.
I think one thing that could do it is if there was a big and exciting game that actually
really worked well in Web3 that had some mainstream excitement.
What happened to that game, Luke, you tried to get me and darren to play with
you that one that already closed that did it close down no there was high guard no off the
grid right off the grid yeah is that still running i mean the game is still running they
people still playing it yeah still playing it and it's uh going quite good on tiktok i saw a post today
that someone made a real also with 10 million uh views um the thing is it just doesn't have
like it's not ready yet uh 100 they released it in my opinion too early i mean they directly
jumped in with the biggest streamers on earth, like Ninja, Tim the Tatman, and everyone have run everything up,
but then they kind of slowed down afterwards
because they needed to have lots of fixes.
They still, because it was a beta, they needed to fix a lot of stuff.
Anti-cheat was a big topic and everything,
but now they also added single lobbies.
And they actually have quite
a good user base. I think
they're at 40,000
daily active users.
Which isn't...
I'm not playing it, but I see
a couple of people playing it at least.
I didn't play it because whenever I
jumped in, I got headshotted by some dude
or someone threw his leg at me.
And I was like, fuck that.
No, that takes me way too long.
That's why I said we need age-based matchmaking.
I think they get to that, where old people can play against old people.
So I'm not getting head shotted every time I directly jump in.
But that was definitely one game that...
Yeah, but that wouldn't work for Aztec,
because he'd be playing with, like, six-year-olds,
and he'd be just crapping on him.
I would be playing what?
Six-year-olds.
He'd be playing with six-year-olds, yeah.
Oh, my God.
You let the kids play on your account,
so if you've got age-based matchmaking,
and you're playing with little kids, you just get wrecked every game yeah my son's the one that plays
on that uh yeah that might be difficult luke but but also like i i think uh
what crypto should do i've thought this for a long time, just someone in the gaming space, there's plenty of them that have good treasury need to acquire a game that already
has a great business model and it is widely received and just acquire it.
And then add web three, uh, functionality.
Um, it's a big bet,
but I think if you do that,
you already have a user base,
you have a successful game,
has the proper flywheel.
You just add the economic side of it and the Web3 functionality.
There's some really interesting ideas
I've heard over the years.
One of the cool things
that a good gaming friend of mine
told me fairly recently
is that tokenomics on these games
has been one of the issues
just because it's tied to a token.
So what he was suggesting is that Web3 games could actually have like a vault with some amount of Bitcoin in it.
And then the actual gold in the game or the money is is uh just the the uh the amount of like bitcoin
that's that's in the in the vault like uh but it's it's capped and uh obviously you're using sats
you know so small pieces of bitcoin throughout the game and you can start uh like as a reward
system you can start by giving letting people kind of
like farm that gold within the game and then have like the loop essentially just uh
have an economy where people farm and buy you know using the Bitcoin and then and then grow that all
essentially so I don't know like the the main thing is just
you know fixing the economy side of the games and and i i i would think acquiring a really strong
game um outside of web 3 would be kind of like one of those high tides uh lifts all ships kind
of thing and then you know once people start understanding hey, I can own my assets
Look at how this game like I don't know. I'd I think like a really great
starting point would be like an MMORPG game because in that
Category you can
You know really like own your assets and trade them.
Imagine being able to be in an MMORPG
and buy and sell your swords
or your bows or whatever it is for USBT as well
or whatever you want in Bitcoin. I think people would
then, it would it
would be like the training grounds you know for other games and get people to fully understand
like the capabilities that web3 brings but i'll stop there someone should acquire a run scape
yes man i do i've been saying that forever so like what what the fall craft yeah either either ever. World of Warcraft. Yeah, either one, man.
Someone acquire one of those.
Change the goal.
I think what you said, obviously,
with the tokenomics,
it's a big issue, but leading
from the tokenomics, I think monetization
is a big issue.
In Web 2 games, if you play a little
what we call a toilet
game, like Candy Crush
or something, where you just have to buy speed-ups
or buy whatever to make your life easier
in the game,
game makes money. You can't really
sell that for anything. You're
just selling it to save your
time. Whereas in Web
3, I don't think we've managed to properly
monetize the games
yet, outside of make a token to properly monetize the games yet outside of make a token then monetize the token
But then if you're monetizing token, then you're basically selling on people that have the
For the game
That's what my friend was saying like, you know use like Bitcoin use light coin
Because it's been already, you know, it bitcoin use litecoin because it's been already you know it's hard
money it already established cryptocurrency made for payment and if it is the payment within the
game you know kind of like takes away from the need for that uh token and then essentially you
just monet like you said you monetize the game like for like you could do a freemium model.
You could do something like Fortnite
where they basically make a ton of money
off the way they monetize the game.
Sorry, the enemy is up there.
First of all, the question of the panel.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, that already exists to some extent.
For example, in Medieval Empires, we have the portal pay integration where you can use any kind of coin to buy assets.
And other games have that as well.
Like it's not the currency inside the game itself, but you can buy the currency in the game also with outside assets.
So that's already existing in a lot of games.
I think the tokenomics part is definitely a problem because in the beginning they were down only.
But I think that since it's been three years,
all of the tokens are down now already.
So now is the chance to really kick it off.
But yeah, Nadim, over to you.
Yeah, brother.
When I first saw the topic name, I was laughing. laughing i was like yeah imagine darren come up with this how do how can we make sure web3 gaming
never takes off and i honestly i'm not gonna lie like one thought i did have was do nothing at all
just watch them crash and burn because there's a lot of projects out there just who don't know
what they're doing um there's a lot of games out there built on a wager narrative,
little gameplay, like little story sort of edge to the game.
And I think that's the majority of them that are not,
that are really lacking, like, you know,
like fundamentals lacking decent competent founders.
There are a few that I'm impressed by,
but I think the majority are not going to make it.
I think also is a lot of games that are here
right now are the ones who got funding from 21 during the high bubble and these are teams that
were just there at the right time and not necessarily the most talented i think getting
money now for a web3 game is so much more difficult man like web3 gaming is not at the top of the
list for investors like it used to be if you go to consensus you go to
events and you see i was like i was like a pitch competition at uh consensus in toronto and i saw
like three web3 games being pitched and the rest were like other things the web3 games by far got
the lowest score um and i was really like i was pretty disappointed. So I think it's a tougher environment,
but tougher environments will breed better founders,
better games, better teams.
And I think we'll be fine,
but like right now it's a very tough environment.
Yeah, I fully agree with that.
So most of the games that you might think of then,
those are not games, right?
There were trailers and gamified experiences.
And that was the problem that broke most of the games
or like most of the perception of the games.
Yeah, they were just shit and they extracted money.
And I think that was one of the biggest problems
that we had over there.
Yeah, but there's also another problem, which is like, you know, the whole thing of,
first of all, I don't think any new game should launch a speculative token. I think I'm down for
like a stable coin. I think that is also a trend. I read the BGA report of 25, and they mentioned
there's a trend that more games are moving more towards table coins and much less towards their own speculative token, which I think like really toxicifies the gameplay sort of experience.
Now, there's something really important, which is when you have NFTs and tradable assets in your game, you've already, according to majority of jurisdictions and laws around the world, you've already excluded anybody beneath the age of 18 from playing your game.
And those are massive markets that really bring life to your game.
These are the demographics that actually play your game for the fun of the game
and not for extracting from your game like older demographics would.
So it's really difficult because you want to engage with that younger demographic
because if your game has NFTs and tokens, it's illegal for them to play it.
You can't even market to them.
And I think that's a big miss for a lot of projects out there.
How stupid is that, though?
And should we just lay down as an industry and say, I don't know.
I guess in so many ways, I look at our industry as an opportunity to disrupt stupid laws.
And there's a lot of stupid laws in the world and stupid regulations in the world.
Good luck trying to convince the dinosaurs in Congress to change their minds anytime quick.
These guys are extremely slow, incompetent, can barely see two meters ahead of themselves.
And that's just the reality.
That's the field we're playing on, right?
So I think we need to be more creative and be like, okay, well, look,
we're going to make the base game with minimal on-chain layers.
And then there's, like, you know, Pudgy Pudgy Parry did a good job.
You know, when you first play, download the game,
you can just play it and download without doing anything,
like wallet-related or crypto-related.
When I was at Gamescom, I saw Team Liquid. I don't know if you guys heard them but like i was shocked because
that's a web3 project and they had like a massive booth packed with pcs and everybody like it was
packed people were just playing games on their booths and i was so impressed and i asked one of
the guys i think king snooch introduced me to him. And I was like, how did you guys do that? Like, how do you guys have such a full booth?
And the guy told me, he's like, dude, like nobody here actually really knows this is a Web3 game.
There is an opportunity for them to opt into on-chain elements down the line,
but they don't really have to go through wallets or have to go through anything that disrupts their gameplay experience.
And I think that's how we need to get creative with it.
Yeah.
Creativity is definitely the way that's where our industry shines.
You know, like we've always found ways to essentially do what we need to do.
And so I think that it's what people have to reimagine gaming again.
Another thing as well is like we could also, like earlier I was saying,
start with like, instead of like a token, start with Bitcoin,
start with Litecoin as the currency within the game.
But, and you know, like acquire some big game.
But another idea is really just start super simple as well.
Like, like a trading card game, you know,
and then have the same kind of tokenomics that I'm talking about and,
and move forward with like, with a,
a simpler model that is ready to play from the beginning.
But, Luke, I think you were going to jump in.
Yeah, that's mostly already happening.
If you see the top-performing games or the ones that actually know how to build games,
they do it in the exact same way.
As you said, for example uh pudgy party um
and that's why you you guys know that i'm the biggest fan of immutable as well uh because we
have the same in medieval empires for example as well you can start playing the game without
any kind of attachment to crypto stuff at all you can sign in with your google
or your facebook and then you get a mutable
passport wallet attached which is a custodial wallet and you don't even know like you will know
that but it's similar to setting up a game account and the cool thing is that they front the gas fees
on immutable and means you can directly start trading assets in the game without needing to
top up your wallet and i think that's still a big problem because that's where most of the
onboarding fails because then oh i need to have funds on that wallet no you don't you can directly
start sending assets back and forth i mean darren is begging me for um for units for example i can
just send it to them did uh is luke did luke cut out for you guys or is it me for units, for example. I can just send it to them.
Did Luke cut out for you guys or is it me?
I think it's just you.
I can hear Luke well.
Oh, yeah.
You can't hear my nice speech that I'm just...
Hashtag can't hear you.
Okay, now I can't.
I don't know what happened.
I probably lost.
Sorry.
Hey, bro. Vanho's here
I'm not sure if anyone said hey
Jared's on the
panel
as well joined us
What's up guys
Hey guys sorry I'm like
super sick with COVID right now
Just kind of was listening to the web 3s Hey Vanho Hey guys, sorry. I'm like super sick with COVID right now.
Just kind of was listening to the web through.
Hey guys, how are you guys doing? It's been so long. It's been over a year since I've been here.
I'm so glad you're still going strong.
We're in, like earlier today, we were saying we're in survival season and we're surviving.
This is giving 21 vibes for sure.
But for Web3 Gaming, you know,
I just worked with a company called Don't Die and they probably did it the best I've ever seen Web3 do it.
They're doing seasons
and they couldn't give out incentives in the terms of like,
some games will partner.
I don't know why I said it like that.
Sorry.
Some games will partner with games, um, like guilds and things to get more eyes on their
games.
Um, and they'll pay to do that.
A lot of, a lot of games will pay guilds to get eyes on the game, viewers to play the game, try to get people to come back and play the game looking for return users.
And they couldn't afford that in their budget. And I was working with two games, both in the same group, both got grants, but one kind of figured out how to make that grant work for him and his game.
And so what they did was with the season, they had where you had to buy the season pass if you wanted to get more rewards.
That was something that would not be given away.
Then they had engated assets that could only be used into their tournament, like $1 NFT to enter into the tournament, a $10 NFT and $100 NFT.
And each price range didn't guarantee how far you would get into the tournament. It just guaranteed
the payout that you would get. And they didn't give away any of the $100. I think he gave away
$100 NFT. But the thing is, is if you die in the game, you don't get a payout. So you would have to make it as far as you could in the game with your NFT before it died.
If it died, you didn't get any money for that game.
And there were people making like $900.
I only made $2, but I don't know.
It was really cool to see somebody do something different for once in a while.
I mean, people have games...
Yeah, someone could do that with
like RuneScape, like old school RuneScape
Deadman drop,
where you just have to, like you start from zero
in the MMORPG, and
Last Man Standing within the world
basically wins the drop. That's
so cool. I never heard anyone doing that ban-up.
That's happening. There's so cool. I never heard anyone doing that ban-up. That's happening.
There's wagering on games where you have Magic Crafts,
for example, doing that.
They outsource that into a Web3 lobby.
So you can still play the game
without the betting and the wagering.
But then you also have Web3 lobby
outside of the game
because they need to have it on Steam and stuff
and it's not allowed to have
it in game uh there you can uh like everyone submits to the prize pool and the last one that's
still standing and wins uh gets the money um so so it's already happening but it's not the most
popular game and i think that's the problem like if big games would have that with price pools, like for example,
Fortnite lobby and everyone puts in 10 bucks in,
in Bitcoin and I'm the last one standing.
I get all the money.
I mean,
Rasmus wouldn't never be the last one.
And I'm not sure if he has 10 bucks to commit,
but that would be a fun thing for sure.
Yeah.
Darren pays for my stuff
the financier
Darren's our financier
Vanho
we need you to acquire
Fortnite for us
we want to do your idea
I'm working with a dev that worked at
Fortnite, does that work instead?
put in a good word, Fennel.
Do what?
I think it does.
Put in a good word.
I'll tell him Litecoin's the best thing since Bitcoin, guys.
Don't worry, I got you.
ASTEC will pay him in Litecoin.
Thank you very much.
We're going to wag me for sure now.
But speaking about acquiring a big player, basically basically in gaming and then utilize them, Immutable is doing exactly that.
They acquired or like they partnered up with Ubisoft, for example, and they take all the distribution channels from Ubisoft as well to promote the games.
So they have Immutable Play.
They have Might and Magic Fates, for example.
I'm not sure if you guys know that.
If you're a little older, you might know it from back in the days,
like I think late 90s.
And they do exactly that.
They find old IPs or partner up with IPs,
bring them into their distribution system,
and then the players that they have from those games
will automatically or like at least a percentage of them will through immutable play also be able
to play all the other games since they get the passport wallet for example in might and magic
fades they launched i think a month ago and have around 100 000 players that they
got in the first place.
So those guys, if they sign up then for Immutable Play because they have the Passport wallet,
can also farm all the other games.
Like there's a gem stuff that they can get through Immutable.
And they actually use that and do quite good
with the distribution on Immutable over there.
And if they just announced that they will have another
big player with a really old IP
that joined them, let me check if they already
announced who it is
but I think that's something
where the biggest problem
that we need to solve in Web3
gaming is proper distribution as well
Did you say?
What do you mean by that?
The thing is, so in the beginning everyone thought that you can acquire users on x because hey that's a crypto game and you need to get to uh the guys that are
on crypto twitter which isn't completely working like the the people that you get from x in order
to join your game is maybe one% from your whole user base usually.
What you need to do is, as we said earlier, you need to market to traditional gamers.
The problem that we had earlier is that most of the games sucked because a good game takes at
least three to five years in order to be at a stage where you can say like, hey, this is really
playable and you can start the distribution funnel
and open it to the players.
Now we're at that stage.
And now you can also market, for example,
through Meta, Google, and all that stuff
and get players from there.
And since we are most of the time Web 2.5,
I think Immutable is doing a good job because they are
basically a mix of steam and the other launches that we had in web 3 because they combine
having a crypto element but with a custodial wallet so you don't need to have all of that
basically but you can use it for example in our in our game, you can play the game,
upgrade, trade your assets,
but only if you want to have the rewards
that we have on the weekly leaderboards,
you need to connect a wallet
where you can get the funds.
So I think that's a way
on how you can handle that.
And like the distribution
through traditional gamers
and traditional distribution systems
will solve lots of the
problem because web3 guys like let's be honest all they want to do in the game is extract like
they find ways on how to get the most money out of your game and that's not your target audience
as a gaming studio you want players that actually spend a lot of money in your game
and not have the goal to extract as much as they can.
But yeah,
just jump in, guys, when you
don't need to have the hands up in this space.
I was told so. It's not my space.
Yeah, we
like the chaos, so just throw
an elbow.
And it's an equal
opportunity of you.
So anyone can
throw an elbow at anyone.
God, I got nervous because I was going to let him talk first.
So, you know.
Just throw your elbow.
You got it.
Knock me into your mouth.
I think you're right.
I also think, I mean, I think if anybody did it really right above anybody in Web3 Gaming, it was off the grid.
did it really right above anybody in Web3 Gaming.
It was off the grid, but it's really not fair to look at them
because their budget was legit a AAA studio funded project, right?
So the problem is with a lot of smaller games too,
your game has to be fun enough for people to want to spend money.
Your core game loop has to be fun enough for somebody
to want to initiate that transaction, to want to come back for more.
There's a lot of problems in Web3 Gaming before we can even get to distribution because
one, a lot of people don't have games that are ready. They don't have servers that can hold
enough people. They think, oh, there won't be many people who play it. And that probably kills nine
out of 10 games in Web3 gaming alone like one just not being
psychologically good enough to a gamer two it's not making somebody want to come back like a
customer wants to come back and put money into your product so if a regular web2 person doesn't
want to throw money at your project a web3 person person isn't going to either. And then it's funny enough for marketing, Facebook and Twitch campaigns are probably some of the best
ways to get eyes on your game. But again, if your game is not fun enough for people to look at or
want to play or ask questions like they're not. Anyways, I hope you guys have a great day i've got to go i'm still feeling awful but i'll be done um listening to you guys so um have a fantastic day
thank you for being here especially with you being sick and uh giving us some of your knowledge
good stuff and oh good to hear your voice again in i guess over a year feel better thanks guys
yeah i feel better nadim sorry bro if you if you're not knocked out jump in
yeah that hurt me a lot man jesus christ um look i think i think we've like okay i like to go back to when it was sort of things were pumping and
21 22 nfts were the thing and everybody ownership was really the thing that people were like wow
you can own this and it can rise in value and it can only ever be yours and then investors went
crazy and then the idea evolved like oh shit what if you can own this thing in a game oh and then
like that even more hype and investors shitting money all over the projects and founders and I
really think we've overestimated the value of or the appeal of ownership to most gamers I'm
realizing a lot of them don't really give a shit. And they just really basically only care about how fun the game is.
Ownership as a value layer can work, I think.
But I'm not sure if we found the formula.
And I doubt it when I look around.
Sure, there's projects that look like they have a good grasp.
Maybe heading their trajectories good.
They're heading in the right direction.
They're off the grid or pud pudgy um pudgy world or or whatever it's called that the mobile game i just mentioned
it earlier i'm so foggy from my swine flu um so i think we're just we're the problem is if we can't
look the real i think the really harsh reality is if we cannot produce AAA titles to compete with other AAA titles, if we don't have iconic IPs in the space, we are only ever going to continue marketing to very niche audiences in the world of crypto that are all community-nit, that are just not the masses.
And in order to access the masses masses we do need much better distribution we
need to see a world where a web 3 game can appear on the nintendo store the playstation store on
steam and it's not like such a strange and bizarre thing yeah i think one day that needs to be normal
if we ever really want to access the masses in a way that's meaningful like luke was saying so i think
we have a long way to go i don't think we're even close to cracking what needs to be cracked
do you think that maybe it's the traditional triple a gaming cabal and studios that are just
blocking you know the web Web3 game developers.
And I don't mean like
they're blocking the, you know,
like them creating the game.
You have your
tinfoil hat on this morning, I see.
I'm just playing, bro.
I'm just playing, bro.
Yeah, keep going.
I feel like this is actually,
this is a good one.
Well, I mean, because listen,
if you guys know how gaming... I don't know anything. Oh my gosh. No, I'm just kidding
If you guys know how gaming like actually works like when it comes to the studios and triple-a games
I mean it really does come from indie developers, right?
Like the indie developer developer like creates the game that comes up with the concept and then the triple-a game comes in and purchases
Like the concept in the game. They start funding it with a bunch of money, and they produce the game.
Do you think that the game...
Is that always like that?
I'm not saying it's not.
I just am curious.
I have heard a lot of mixed rumors from people who are in the industry, and this is what they have shared with me.
This is what they have shared with me.
Now, they didn't put the conspiracy part to this where it's like, hey, what's happening is the AAA game studio is taking these and maybe they're coming out with Web3 concepts.
But they're steering those, the better games in a direction of, you know, the traditional, you know, where they're comfortable at because they don't want to lose money.
traditional, you know, where they're comfortable at because they don't want to lose money.
They're afraid of changing the business dynamics and having the mindset of if it's not broke,
don't break it in our mind, in our opinion, because they're obviously making the money.
Even though like we all know that the blockchain or, you know, Web3 having these assets is a,
it's for the users, right?
Like it's not necessarily for the studios themselves.
So...
If you notice like a lot of the marketing copy
has shifted from NFTs to digital assets,
like across so many projects.
And I think the reason is,
the truth is we have a really bad reputation crisis
in this particular niche of blockchain,
not all of it, like in this particular niche of blockchain not not not all of it like in this
particular niche of blockchain um we've seen reddit a while back launch an nft collection
failed miserably we've seen binance launch an nft collection with cristiano ronaldo failed
miserably we've seen guys like logan paul and kevin hart failed miserably like we've seen massive
brands and ips and in those people try and sort of make something like this work.
And it didn't.
And I think studios and AAA studios are wary of this.
They don't want to sort of introduce this sort of regulatory problems with introducing trading and money and digital assets.
It's like so complex.
And it's from a legal standpoint, it's an absolute nightmare.
And, you know, i can i can i
understand why they don't want to do it right now we're just not mature enough as an industry and
there's so many failure stories that are terrifying revenue sharing like you know weapons on
chain extractors and scammers you also like when you when you have a wet three game on steam now
you're suddenly attracting all of these really shady people to play your game.
I was working in Web3 gaming.
I just got laid off a few weeks ago.
But I've been in the trenches on Discord, on X, and really just interacting with community members.
And dude, I would get crazy DMs, bro.
People just doing whatever it is they could to extract and to lie and to manipulate.
And this was in the thousands of the players, right? people just doing whatever it is they could to extract and to lie and to manipulate and this
was like in the thousands of the players right and also if i were to sort of lean in on a very
specific sub niche the sub niche of play to earn within web3 gaming i think that's dead i'd love
to hear contrary opinion but i do think play to earn is dead i don't I don't see that ever working, to be honest.
What's your take on risk to earn then?
Play to earn, I see that sometimes also dying, but
as Aztec mentioned, if you could
wager on who's winning or stuff,
or in BR1 you can
win a dollar for a headshot,
but you need to pay, I think, in order
to enter the lobby. What's your take on that?
I think that that creates a bit of a barrier.
Like, I think it's a great model.
It's fun, but it does create a barrier.
Because, like, yeah, just from a lot of perspectives,
potentially regulatory, like if it's certain age groups,
you have to have assets.
A lot of gamers
are young.
So, you know, like us millennials,
for instance, we have
enough to wager, but
my six-year-old kid
who plays Fortnite
doesn't have...
Well, I wouldn't allow him to't allowed imagine yeah yeah bad that could
actually turn out like you know you hear the horror stories of like these kids who are stealing
their parents credit cards oh my god oh my god imagine like hurting them you know when they lose items like this would just be a absolute
parental nightmare i think i mean i don't have children so i don't know but i mean i'm just
assuming like this would not be fun i think play to earn actually is the way to go guys
it's just that the tokenomics have to be based on in in my money and in my in my uh opinion hard money like it instead
of like um a token you know like and i sure like stable coins too but but i think like if you had
like the the analogy i was using earlier is like let's say runescape and the gold in the mmorpg
is litecoin or it's Bitcoin.
And it's like a fixed amount within your game.
And, you know, you, your game can, you can farm that asset.
You could take like a couple Bitcoin and I think that could be the entire,
or, you know, like so many, a uh couple you can really start off with like you know 84
litecoin and then just you know if you're using bitcoin using sats you know like uh that's that's
what it should be based on and i think you'll have a better play to earn mechanism but what about people playing your game just to extract from it like i think
you're i look i maybe there's a world where the balancing of the game being actually fun is great
and then the tokenomics are brilliantly integrated and you're not using a speculative token because
i think that's i think that's a big trap and you're using a stable coin is like v bucks are kind of like a stable coin right like sure they might change whatever they might change how
much one is worth per dollar but like generally speaking they're pegged to what a dollar is worth
in terms of v bucks i think if you have something like that sure maybe but i think we're far from
that man i don't think we have like the know-how yet with experience yet as an industry we're just not in that place
but we might hopefully get there soon yeah you need the monetization side of it as well like fun
like you said and monetizations because like for instance if you if you have a game like fortnite
for instance it's fun and then people want to buy the skins so they and and you know the emotes so they can like have fun with
their friends show off and and uh kind of like express themselves within the game so as long as
there's like a fun game and a way where people can then read take like they have a good reason
to basically spend the asset that they're acquiring from the game then i think it it wouldn't uh
it would be less about extracting can i add something in this uh conversation about
monetization um if you look at some of the popular web 2 games like what you mentioned
like fortnite right um in the web 2, there's always something that someone wants to promote
and someone's willing to pay.
So Fortnite always has collaborations.
For example, if McDonald's is coming up with a new menu item,
the BD of the game might just go to McDonald's and say,
hey, you want to run a month-long campaign with us?
We'll create a weapon with the McDonald's color
and then add the M arches and shoot M bullets
or something like that.
And that'll be how much.
And in crypto, we have a lot of money
being thrown around for marketing.
And I think if games reach out to these crypto companies and say like,
hey, I see you guys are launching something. Do you want to run a campaign or marketing campaign
in the game? And it doesn't have to be a permanent item. It can just be like a month-long campaign
campaign where players get to leave like spray paint of something created with the company colors
i think that will be something really interesting and people will be willing to pay for that kind
of marketing if you can't extract from the you extract, you use the users to be, you know, as an advertiser.
I have some AI agents working on building this right now.
Thanks for the idea.
Oh, God.
Like, so basically, Fortnite has one of the strongest BD teams.
You know, like they have a marketing as a service, maths.
That's a really good point here like I I'd like to see someone doing more yeah and strategies like that I play a lot of web 2 games and they
never promised like you know you're gonna earn something you're gonna get some money just play
it and I if the game is good i'm willing to pay like a like a
like a membership or a monthly pass you know like my new empire is so good i'm willing to pay
like a i don't know like a 20 thing a month um because i've been playing it for so many years
and i get so much value from it um i think Web 3 games shouldn't be afraid to sell season passes
because if you want to talk about extraction,
Web 2 games are way, way worse.
There's a lot of existing Web 2 conflicts
between games and their players, mainly because of this,
because Web 2 games are very toxic.
They've become pay to win.
You know, especially in TCG, like trading card games,
like Hearthstone is the biggest one.
The players have been complaining like, yeah,
you guys are making the games harder to play.
It's more like gambling now.
Or if you want to guarantee a win you pay you pay a lot of money
like diablo you gotta like spend millions to get to the highest levels and and to beat the highest
monsters uh so did you just say millions yeah yeah to get to the highest level in Diablo, you got to pay. Pay millions.
Someone did that.
And so,
but the thing is,
crypto is worse.
Crypto promises like,
hey, you get to own everything,
blah, blah, blah.
And then in the end,
the developer rugs
and everything goes to zero.
And you're like,
what the F?
These guys are worse than,
you know,
Diablo,
at least, you know, Diablo won't rock me.
So yeah, we've got something to work on.
And yeah, we shouldn't be afraid to charge people for good stuff.
And the thing is, what you get as a reward
if you spend millions in there is the prestige.
That's usually a higher incentive for people
to really farm a game as the prestige of being
the top player or in the top ranks, uh, instead of like, uh, Oh, I earned some money. Like that's
basically their psychological studies that show that if you pay people to play games,
that they don't like it as much as if they earn rewards, like, Oh, you've been a good boy. He is
your reward. Uh, I mean, it's the same with kids, right?
So you can use that analogy as well.
But the thing is, we have games similar to that already in Web3 that try it,
but they haven't broken out because they're just not fun yet, I think.
I mean, I played also a trillion amount of Web3 games,
but none caught me
like, for example, back in the days
World of Warcraft or like even
Fortnite or something like this, there are some
rip-offs of those, but they're just
not close to how
good the other games are.
I think that's also the problem.
Right. Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a good point, out yeah because i i wanted uh
i like rock and i on the show have talked about someone bringing in like an mmorpg like a runescape
for probably the life of this show i mean it's been my dream since the beginning, but then, you know, like when people bring them out, um, it's usually a rug, like all the runescape like, uh, games were, I think a rug, I might be wrong.
Maybe there's a runescape like game that actually didn't rug or, or, uh, it's either like rug door, uh, couldn't actually like pull it off, you know, like,
like they weren't able to ship it, uh, the way it's needed.
But yeah, like once you have it, then like you said, Luke, I think you have to stand out.
And if you're going to build something similar to another popular game, then you have to build it in a way that's actually going to be funner or you know have more utility or whatever
that's why i think like like like just just use the the main currency is like litecoin bitcoin
you know and and then another idea is like we could just ask um vitalik to save web3 gaming
you know like his i remember his early story with creating ethereum
because uh you know he got wiped out in World of Warcraft uh or like he lost his uh what was
the story he lost his uh character he got nerfed in yeah World of Warcraft
in yeah world of warcraft yes yeah so then he and so he is that like why he kind of stumbled
down the uh i'm forgetting the story now he stumbled down the like decentralized route because
he was like i i think you know we could build something that's uh that where this wouldn't
happen again you know so like i don't know, but Alex,
he's done well. I think he could buy Fortnite for it.
Has anybody else heard the
rumor that GTA 6
is going to have in-game crypto
as a currency?
And some of the assets?
Is that why they're taking so long?
Bullshit!
So the thing is, for GTA 6,
they had dedicated servers, which you can run by yourself and also theme it in a way.
And I think this is how it's going to go down.
Because I even saw Aiden Ross, for example, big streamer in Web2, speak about that.
And I think once this is out, like people will do their own servers with their own currency in it.
There could be a Litecoin server, for example, where you have the world currency in that server.
For GTA, it would be Litecoin.
We could have a medieval GTA 6 version where you run around as a knight, behead people, and instead of cars, you have horses and stuff.
And that could be with the
me token for example and i think that's going to come i don't think they will integrate it directly
from the start because that would break the industry uh but there will be definitely a
shit lot of money to be made if you're early in there have a good community already, create a server with the world currency in
that server to be a token, for example, because I saw a couple of theories about it.
And also, I think like the LA Vibe Cabal guys with Aidan Ross together, they will do something
like this, that they will have their own server.
We just need to like, don't rug it.
That's the biggest problem that we
have been like as soon as there's a server that's really big and then they extract the
out of it that will break it again because that's what usually breaks every cool thing whatever we
have in shiny cool things the scammers and the ruggers take it away from us and make it a bad
rep and then all of a sudden no one likes it anymore but they're gonna watch
i'm worried about abstract after tga guys to be honest i'm like what's gonna happen after that
are they gonna be as popular is there give you that much incentive anymore to create and do all
sorts of shit i'm i think about it sometimes dude i i don't know about abstract very much man but but this like uh
win rockstar idea like uh that's no dude let's let's let's do the litecoin server luke
bro you gotta help us do it i'm totally down for that like i i think that would be cool
everything you do in the game uh be like the currencies than Litecoin.
I mean, that would make total sense.
People take those servers so seriously, though.
I've seen TikToks of the Red Dead 2 ones, and people live there like 18 hours a day, have their own little lives.
That's what we need bro vibes and stuff
like they they are yeah i mean people go really lifers yeah yeah i used to i used to be a runescape
lifer bro i was like just cutting down trees and trying to get to 99 you know all my stats like
uh and dude if you could actually make light coin or bitcoin and uh you know i all my stats like, uh, and dude, if you could actually make
Litecoin or Bitcoin and, uh, you know, I think, I think people would definitely love the life. Panda reminds me of Leroy Jenkins.
Leroy.
Leroy.
Jenkins.
Just mess up everything.
Yeah.
But as soon as there's a, like an integration, for example, in GTA 6, it needs to be, and that's, I think, the problem that we have in Web3.
We need a proper PR behind all of that, because usually the bad stuff only gets transported to the media.
So maybe with Litecoin and lda together
we should like really boost the shit out of this i i got the narrative too man
yeah yeah keep going and then when you finish i got something yeah so we need to make success
stories where like ordinary people uh go into games and like make a lot of PR around it every single creator and web three
like we all need to work together hand in hand to make this one a success because what usually
happens is that everyone as soon as something bad is happening everyone makes the biggest story
about it how bad it is and blah blah blah no what we need to make is truly success stories in GTA 6 on the,
okay, let's call it Litecoin server.
I think if we put coin in there, it doesn't make sense,
because then it has coin in there and that scares off people.
But we will find a way, or we make a collab,
make a medieval, light medieval server,
where you can run around the swords cutting people and stuff
and make this the every single game gets in the game like a shop or something or can put their
items in there so we combine every single web 3 game that we know uh bring all the chains in there
like ronan immutable uh all the games, gaming chains.
They all need together and then everyone puts in 10k budget just for PR.
Like if we bring in, I mean, we have the new era of gaming where we have like 300 people in there
or something like this. I mean, half of the games most likely don't exist anymore. But all the games that exist go into that server.
We make one currency in there.
Everyone can put their NFTs and assets in there
or their characters and avatars from the games or the NFTs.
Everyone puts in 10K budget
and we market the shit out of it altogether.
Or we find someone that wants to sponsor the shit out of it
maybe
I would sponsor that man
I would sponsor that but
here's the thing man if we
do this
I would think that
the narrative we have to
PR narrative thing that we have to use
is what Call of Duty did like my all time favorite.
And I might just be a marketing nerd because I've been in, you know,
incubation and marketing for so long,
but I actually appreciate good marketing.
And, uh, one of the best campaigns I ever seen was call of duty when they
came out with, um i forget it was one of the last world
war ii call of duties and they had this uh marketing you know gets the cartel
no that's the you're saying that could be the new one but but no no like uh the one that they they did was like it had to do with like getting
all your friends together like you're getting the the gang back together like all the marketing was
about like uh rounding up all your friends and getting back on call of duty it was like the big
um you know push to basically get all the old school, original Call of Duty people back together
to play again, and it was going to be fun, you know, and like, I imagine like a very similar
type of marketing style, especially for something like this, but, you know, joining crypto would be
great, because you're essentially, you know, marketing to, you know, everyone that top-ranked servers,
then you will attract everyone else out there
because a lot of people are playing in it.
Obviously, the server's got to be good.
It's got to be fun.
The only downside to these ideas
is that I'm probably going to get addicted
and I'm going to never work again.
It's just I'm going to be stuck playing games.
But you are working.
If it's for crypto,
you're helping the industry grow, man.
It's basically part of your BD.
And then, Ro, you could actually hold your BD meetings.
Oh, my God.
This sounds amazing.
Wait, are you telling me that you don't have
claude doing most of your job for you i know
please please help me out yeah no you really should i can send you some information because
i've got it doing a lot of my jobs um yeah i can send you some information for sure
yeah speaking speaking about cloud and all the ai stuff maybe that's something that will uh save
gaming overall or at least web3 gaming because i think what will happen i mean we need to
brainstorm the gta 6 idea a little bit more because I think that totally makes sense. We could even make, like, in the server, we could have other games playing.
Like, all the Web3 games could have an own little world inside the server,
which is themed for their game.
I'm, oh, damn it, my brain is going well.
But that could work.
But with all the AI and Vibe coding stuff, I've seen a couple of people trying to make games with AI.
Because I think what sometimes happens is missing.
We all have those great ideas.
For example, how would it be if we would have World of Warcraft, but more with medieval knights and stuff.
It's the same thing.
And the problem is most of the time the execution and find the right economy.
But with AI, I started doing with the remix, for example,
I built clicker games.
Like they're shit, don't get me wrong.
But I think in two, three years,
we will be able to prompt games in a day.
Like for example, we say,
I want to have a RuneScape-like game,
but I want the server economy
to be with Litecoin
and I want to have,
you know, instead of
whatever, I want to have
Pandas as characters or something like this
and then it will automatically create the game.
The only thing that you then need to drive
is the marketing behind it and
like the user
acquisition server running costs and all that stuff.
But it will be so much easier to develop games.
And then maybe we will see a revival in Web3 Gaming as well, because there's a huge opportunity
that someone comes around the corner and says like oh look at my new game that i just
built in one day here's the token for it go ahead and i that might be a catalyst for for a new gaming
season that we will see on ct like combined with the ai part yeah i mean there's a there's a
Yeah, I mean, there's a protocol that wants to launch on LitVM or LightCoin Layer 2, and it's called DappIt.
And you can VibeCode decentralized applications.
So if this is a thing, you should be able to do VibeCoding gaming very soon, like you're saying.
Maybe not even years.
You can, you know, there are definitely Vibe coding platforms already for creating games.
I believe Lutha does that already.
Yeah, Remix, by example, does it as well.
And I tried it out i said i want to have a medieval game where
uh the knight runs uh jumps slashes people and all that stuff but the it it's just not at the
stage where i say we can go ahead and rebuild fortnite for example uh that's just too complex
i think and there's so much stuff around that that doesn't work yet.
And the quality of the graphics, images and all that stuff,
because that's often the deciding point, right?
You could have two games, they have the same mechanics,
but the one that looks way better might be the one that succeeds.
So we're not there yet at a point where I say like, okay,
build me a Call of Duty, but
make it with just, I don't know,
bunnies or whatever.
You get the point?
Sexy pandas.
Sexy pandas running around and shooting people.
Sexy pandas? Oh my god.
That's your first client right there.
Darren's signed up already. He's on the white list
Hey Red I keep inviting you to speak
I don't know like I know you requested
And then I added you
And then I don't like I don't know what's going on
But I'm trying to add you
Just another
Thing here
Timmy
Can you hear us Yeah I can hearmy, can you hear us?
Timmy.
Yeah, I can hear you.
I can hear you fine.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, it's awesome.
Hey, I just want to say hi.
I just noticed that you're on the panel with us here.
I was grugging, and that's okay.
Like, I was bad, and I started, like, turning this on for me to be able to speak while I was at a stoplight.
And then I was like, no, don't do it.
We just got a ticket for talking on spaces.
But now I'm parked, so we're okay.
Carry on.
Nice.
Well, jump in anytime you want.
I'm not sure if you heard the beginning of the show, but you could just jump in whenever.
I heard a lot of it.
And if it's okay, I mean, I'd like to kind of circle back to some ideas,
but the thing is you guys went, can you hear me?
Okay, sorry.
I keep getting a request that says QuickSwap has invited you to speak.
I think only Nicole can't hear you and is still sending you invites.
That's true.
Yes, that's true.
It's still sending me invites.
So there's a couple of things to go back
to that i kind of thought would be kind of interesting to discuss a little bit more but
like right now the idea that you had about the server and everything is cool i think
vibe coding that kind of stuff i can already speak to the fact that yes there's already
shit damn it sorry i'm trying to get into in andN-Out Burger, and I opened the wrong door.
But you guys didn't really need to know that personal detail.
But now I will actually get back to the discussion.
That sounds really good.
I'm hungry.
As some of you know, I'm an ambassador with Tripo AI.
And yeah, you can build these 3D worlds, apps, games now.
This isn't like, oh, in five years from now.
It's happening now.
So I'll say that.
And I'm actually glad that that's going on. Now, when Nerd Girl, aka QuickSwap,
is talking about having your AI agents do stuff, I mean, yeah, I mean, typically speaking,
somebody could just make their AI agent play their games for them and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But then what's the fun in that, right? One of the reasons why Fortnite is so popular and so addictive, my God, I have to admit,
the first time I played it, I was stuck playing it for four hours.
I hardly even got up to go to the bathroom.
But it's because you're playing with people.
Why is my navigation still on?
Okay.
But, you know, there's that team aspect.
So I think we're going to be seeing some interesting things where people have my team of agents
competing with your team of agents.
But one idea that I really liked that I would love to kind of discuss a little bit more is the campaigns with certain items.
Because that is something, and that's the reason why.
That's one of the other reasons why Fortnite is so successful is people get so excited about those little items.
Right?
I get excited about those stupid items.
I mean, I don't buy them, but other people get them for me.
When I saw Goku, like in Fortnite, I had to buy it.
Like it was just automatic, you know?
So yeah, I totally feel you.
When you resonate with like a character or I guess like,
cause there's artists, you know, rappers
and country singers, pop stars, you know,
whoever it is, whatever it is, you just like have to buy it.
And your friends as well. I remember that there were four dudes playing Fortnite together, each with matching skins.
So out of...
Yeah, matching with friends. Okay. So is there a way for us to continue to, to kind of vibe off of that idea?
Because there's so many little JPEG projects and I call them projects
because let's be real. Some of them are never going to be a real startup.
Wow. Did I just say that out loud? I just did.
But if these little characters, I mean, like if, you know,
if these little characters, if we'd started to see them and, you know,
in some of these other games, and I like the idea of you were talking about going to web 2 and trying to get
some of these little you know web 3 things like as part of the games instead of just being like
hey I'm my little blockchainy thing and now you know come to me like you know go towards something
that's already established first and kind of like see how you can kind of enhance like
what they're already doing already and then if you're and if it's cute if it's a little frog or
something there's some frog uh nft thing that just came out recently that vfriends has really
been supporting then like go for it and guys you can you know stop me anytime because i'm just
going through all the things that i wanted to respond to while I was driving, but I couldn't. But the idea about the media always being soaring negative towards blockchain
and other tech like Hedera uses and Casper uses, I mean, as much as it would be nice to say,
couldn't we report more of the good stuff? We actually need to do more of the good stuff.
So there's actually more good things to
report other than we're building this cool thing. And one of the things that I personally am an
advocacy about the VFriends community is that he's providing, you know, people with opportunities to
go sell, you know, the comics on whatnot, to go sell, you know, trading cards and things like
that. And there's the game. So
there's just kind of like multiple ways to access it. And if you have been in this space long enough,
you know that a lot of these projects, their idea of, you know, positive community representation
is getting your community to just work for you for free. So, so they're basically are your marketing team. And so it's not just the rugs, it's just the amount of people that just extract
from others in this space, you know, on top of that. And it's not just for those little things.
I mean, it happens a lot. So if we actually treated, you know, our communities more with
giving them opportunities to, you know, improve themselves and just accessing it in all these
different ways i
mean like we'd actually have more good things to report and i don't mean to be like debbie downer
but i'm just saying if we want better news we need to do better too end of story for now let me shut
up no no thank you uh and and and we we like uh we like when people let it out on the show. This is good info.
And I agree with, I think, everything you said.
So it's something that I've been talking about for a while now where our space really needs to return to founding principles.
And it's the same thing you're saying.
Just do good things.
You know, treat your communities good.
I do think there's a lot of people building really cool stuff.
And at this point, if we can just kind of, as an industry, remember why we're here.
You know, as Disruptorsors rock was bringing this up earlier
i'm a big you know uh proponent of disrupting corrupt systems um disrupting things for the
better however it may be um being like a beacon of light in the sense like you're saying to me we're just like doing
good things like treating the community right like um the whole decentralized movement you know
which is basically working together everyone working together like these are the things that
our industry has to get back to and remember and then stop extracting.
Pretty much everyone on this panel has said extracting at this point. If it was a drinking
game, we'd all be drunk. So obviously that's a big thing that our industry needs to work on.
Yeah, I wrote an exact article on that uh last week
where i said the internet rewards shamelessness and then we need to bring back honor because
everything that we see in this space turns to gambling like magic eden shuts down the
uvm marketplaces because oh we have dicey so let's go to gambling uh every single really happened
We have Dicey, so let's go to gambling.
Every single game...
You know, it really happened?
That happened, yeah.
I know they're shutting down.
I only actually paid attention.
Yeah, yeah.
EVM and Bitcoin, Mark.
EVM and Bitcoin, they're taking it all down?
I thought...
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
I mean, they made a big campaign where they even paid KOLs to have a good take on this.
You know what's crazy?
I don't even...
NFTs aren't even on my feed anymore because I just...
Like, NFT communities have just...
I don't know.
I guess they've been some of the biggest extractors in a way.
Or at least not extractors, but I've just, every NFT, not every, well, okay.
I mean, just, you know, 75% have just died.
I've got my handfuls that have lived.
But anyways, yeah, I didn't even notice that.
That's crazy.
So Magic Eden, they're taking off the evm and bitcoin and then
what are they doing now they have a dicey um company where are you better see now yeah a casino
let's say like so it's a casino they also report the facts and stuff because they said they had the 80- and put it all in on their casino,
then they would make more money
because that actually brought them more money.
I mean, casinos make money.
That's the thing.
But that's why they shut it down.
And it's not only this.
Like everything that you see over here,
we should play the drinking game
because I will say it again, it's extraction.
And the thing is, people even applaud all of that extraction.
Like whatever happens, like all the bad stuff gets applauded.
Like Grant Cardone puts up a video AI thing for war and farms engagement on that.
and farms engagement on that.
Then you have bets on Polymarket
on when the next war will break out,
on who fires the first nuclear weapon.
And that's the news that carries.
There's no honor left in the space,
but I don't think we can fix it
because that's how the whole world turns at the moment.
We can, man.
It's just that we have to continue being loud about it.
You know, we, we have to, and then, but then we have to like build.
The only way you can build your way out of this is, is, or I basically said what I was
trying to say.
Um, the only way you can get out of this is to build our way out of it.
And, and so we need, um, we need people with honor to continue building and, uh, build, build
great stuff.
Um, that that's also compelling, you know, like gambling, like I I'm like probably one
of the biggest critiques of, you know, Solana, um, how far industry has gone to the gambling
side of things, the dark side.
But I fully understand that it's very compelling.
It's fun.
You know, I understand why it exists.
And I would never say, like, shut it down because I believe in, like,
I would never say like shut it down because I believe in like free markets and, you know, people who do whatever they want.
free markets and, you know, people who do whatever they want.
But I do think that we just have to continue building things that matter.
And if you look at a lot of the money that's actually flowing into this space, sure, there's a lot of DGEN money.
But that is kind of slowing down and the the brunt of the the or the bulk of
the the new money is actually institutions so where people with honor can build
that actually understand this space and care about it and um you know about the whole like cypher pump movement you know
decentralization privacy um honor all that stuff like me then it is around rwas ai
um you know nepie and and building solutions where like trying to get these institutions, because they're the, they're the bulk of the money that's coming in.
Um, and get them on chain, bring that money.
And also finding ways, like, for instance, I just talked to,
cause like I'm building this whole ecosystem with Litecoin.
Um, there's a team that is essentially letting people take a really popular,
cause I don't wanna like give their whole secret sauce away,
but really popular TCG and letting them take loans out on the
assets and, and those are crypto loans.
And then they can take that,
they can bring their portfolio essentially, or their, you know,
their collection, which turns into a portfolio on chain,
take loans on those and then do stuff in crypto.
So it's like a lot of people are like, man, I don't have,
out in IRL, they're like, I don't have
however much money to start a portfolio.
Well, they just take their real world assets,
bring them on chain take a loan start
playing on chain you know like basically our our industry has been great at creating you know money
out of thin air another way of in the catalyst is is to give people opportunities well well you can
do that through tokenization there's a lot of a lot of people have a lot of cool stuff you know so like enabling them to come
on chain having honor in uh and building fun things like that I think is is where we can win
in the end because we're saying look we're saying like we will we can't do it you know like uh like
they were we can't I guess the point is what I'm trying to say is we can't let gambling be the final frontier for crypto.
I mean, I like, sure.
I believe it should exist, but let's, let's fight back.
Let's build cool stuff.
And if we're lying about it and we continue building, we will win.
Yeah.
I'm an utopist as well.
That's why I wrote the, like the exact same words in the article as well.
Time to bring back honor.
But it will be a hard way.
Because the thing is, people...
Send that article to me, man.
I'd love to read that.
Yeah, it's pinned up top, yeah.
But I think that, you know, people...
I was in a space earlier today where we said, like, why do people still follow LA Vape Cabal or other people that basically just did extraction?
And the reason is because usually the stuff where you have honor and do the good things are not the sexy things.
And that's a problem. And that doesn't make, I mean, I so hope that it will make other people rich,
but usually it's the bad stuff where people earn a shitload of money.
And that's why they support it,
even though intrinsically they don't want to support it.
But just through trying to also win on that shit,
they indirectly support it.
That's why people still follow people like Frank D.
Godz, even though he shit on everyone in his community, basically.
But there's still an opportunity that he might make them some money through some
alpha or stuff like this.
And I think that's the biggest problem, that we still promote false
profits, for example.
And that's the thing where usually the good people with honor are not the ones that are the loudest on CT or in the industry.
Usually it's the bad people that you actually don't even like, which are the ones that get
the most attention and have the most noise.
And that's what we need to change by elevating each other, at least the guys that do good
stuff and build good stuff.
But that's a hard, hard part.
And everyone itself needs to ask themselves, why am I even promoting KOL XYZ, even though
I know that he does
shady stuff, instead of going to
the founders that are more silent
and actually promote them and give
them a voice.
I mean, I love to see that movement go.
I continue to fight for it.
But it's a
I think we're a dying race over here
in terms of that.
But that's a world problem in my opinion.
By the way, did anybody
hear, totally side
note, super side note, but
token
2049 Dubai
has been cancelled for this
year? Yeah, because
of the
war.
And NFT pairs.
I mean, Paris was out already.
That should have happened
in February.
They canceled that because they didn't get
enough people, I think, to sponsor
it as well.
And token is,
they made a statement because
they will do that next year
because there's still bombs falling down or something like this
and they said they're not eager to host a conference during that time.
Well, so interestingly,
I have it on, I don't know, good authority
that the Bitcoin conference purposely scheduled their
conference very close to token 2049. I believe that was the explanation. I think, Richard,
you may have been in the room when this was discussed, but purposely to try to take out 2049 and it so happens that now also um there's
you know bombs going off in that area but um i wonder if anyone has any thoughts on that richard
do you remember that conversation am i i think i remember the conversation yep yeah a little bit i
mean i think the person that told us knows the conference
runner for bitcoin and knows that was like part of the intent i'm pretty sure that person's a speaker
too uh huh no i just said that person is a speaker at the conference as well oh yeah yeah yeah i
thought you meant a speaker heroes no no i didn't say that i mean when the market is tough having
both of those conferences at the same time i mean mean, there's a conspiracy brewing in here.
And I mean, I don't know.
You guys want me to rip off the band-aid on this one?
Do it, Ryder, do it!
Oh my god, I don't know.
No, I mean, I don't have any actual evidence to, you know,
to factually like link everything all i can do is
just you know do the assumption um theories so just jumping from one theory to another but i
mean it's very similar you know i mean it may have to even do with you know um a u.s um you know
thing to where we are dominating the crypto market.
I mean, we want to be, you know, our president has said that, you know,
he wants America to be the crypto leader.
And when you have countries like Dubai or the UAE coming out
and having competitive competitions, not competitive, competitive events,
you know, it's just maybe another
power move i don't know i mean even though like the bitcoin conference is uh global you know they
have them in hong kong and mina as well but i mean i i have read i feel like this is definitely
speculation and i don't think it's actually true but i have read a lot of uh threads from bitcoiners recently
that and it's i don't know because like i i really don't like war and uh as just just to
put this out i don't like war and um i i feel for everyone that's actually you know going through
this because i have friends in bunkers right now you know i have friends with missiles or um drones that have flown by you have friends with missiles near them
yeah they're flying the drone yeah friends that have seen the the missiles fly over them
i was joking um so oh yeah so like i i um i feel for for everyone in this situation but yeah i've also seen
what you're talking about richard with the threads yeah i don't know
uh bitcoiners talking about you know that this is all about um you know power play bitcoin
dominates a big yeah bitcoin crypto power play i Bitcoin dominates. Yeah, Bitcoin crypto
power play. I'm like, dude, that's
definitely not it.
I mean, you never know.
I mean, we could,
the Bitcoiners could be running the world
and you just don't know it yet.
That's a crazy question.
I mean, the person we talked to,
I think I,
so you're saying you don't think that
the Bitcoin conference...
I didn't quite understand.
So you don't think the Bitcoin conference
trying to compete with
Token 2049
is a thing at all?
No, not that.
No, not that.
I'm sure they're competing.
I'm talking more about
I don't think that
this war is happening
because of Bitcoiners trying
to secure
their spot at the top of the wall.
Yeah, well, that's
one of the theories that's going on.
That was what I was implying.
That's exactly what I was implying.
Yeah, I got what you were saying, Richard, because I've actually read this, right?
You don't have to.
Dude, that's a milady.
Listen, milady PFP.
The reason why I didn't want to say that.
The Bitcoiners got a hold of the Jews and, uh, Jesus Christ.
This is why I said in the beginning, this isn't like a factual theory
where I can actually connect the dots.
Lady PFP, guys.
Zionists for Bitcoin.
2026 campaign.
I just came here for the chips and salsa.
Let's not say the buzzwords.
You all got chips and salsa?
Yeah, but I still haven't had any yet.
That's why I said like this is not like an actual theory that i can factually like connect the dots or just assumptions where it's
just like oh this is this but um they couldn't but i was trying to but i was trying to say
they utilized it to make a move and just you know hide it you know
what i'm saying it's like um the church yeah well what's crazy to me is that there is some type of
coordinated effort to spread this conspiracy because there's enough people on my timeline
that are talking about it and so i wonder who's actually spread because you know that's
how it works in crypto you know there's someone behind if there's a narrative you're building that
narrative you know and and uh so like i guess if i start like digging deeper into this i'm like
well where would this narrative come from it It would have to come from Bitcoiners.
Rasmus and Millebe PFTs,
they're usually the ones that are the problem.
They start spreading it as false information and then it spreads and spreads
and then all of a sudden people pick it up
and then it becomes a thing.
Rasmus, defend yourself.
So Rasmus is playing 4D chess with everybody.
Could also be the Retardios.
Doesn't always need to be the
Miladis, can also be the Retardios.
Miladis.
Retardios don't even know
their left hand versus their right hand.
They still count on their toes.
You guys are all supposed to be friends though aren't my ladies friends with retardios or are you guys not friendly no no answer no comment i guess that's a no i guess
it's that bad guys
All right, well, I guess we could talk about gaming more or we've been going for what two hours now
Not sure how much longer was this this time changed because this was a the space started early today didn't it because it was the time change
change yeah well so depending on where you live yeah if your time did not change if you live in
Yeah
Well, so depending on where you live. Yeah
a place where daylight savings time did not happen then it started early if you live in a place where
daylight is i'm savings time did happen then it started at the same time as it always starts
see this is this is where it gets me every time because normally i'm in a place where
it doesn't change and you have to remind me every time, Nicole.
But this time, I don't even know where I'm at and I don't know if they actually – like, they recognize this.
So I don't know what's happening.
Yeah, I just follow my Google Calendar and it just tells me.
Or Twitter. and uh it just tells me or or twitter you know like twitter will tell you uh if you uh sub to
the space uh so when if you follow quick swap uh plug for quick swap here follow quick swap and
then when they announce the spaces midweek just click the uh reminder button and it'll give you the time. Uh, cause I, like I'm in a weird place in, in, uh, the world called Arizona and
it does not even adhere to daylight savings time.
Like we don't recognize it at all.
We don't change.
We never change.
Um, I guess, I guess us Arizonians are, um, hard headed and stubborn, but, uh,
um, yeah, uh, one thing. Uh, so yeah i just live and die by my calendar one
thing to bring it back to gaming i have one final question before we might enter space
do you really think that like for example gta 6 we bring back the whole narrative of gaming
make a server do all the fancy things do you think just one good game will bring back web-free gaming overall?
Or because I have a...
It could be the catalyst.
Do you think it will really be a catalyst for this
because then we get more outside people in
or how would it work?
It could be because like with the analogy you brought up earlier bro where you have a server
if i i would i would say go all out with with uh the name you know make sure people know it's
crypto uh i know that that might scare people but i think what would happen here's my my uh
my two cents is take it with a grain of salt is that a bunch of crypto people
would join it would be one of the most popular servers especially if you do it right if you make
a fun server um in gta 6 and if you have a cryptocurrency as the uh the main digital asset
for the economy in the server.
So all these crypto people would join, it would be super popular.
And then other people all around the world that play GTA six would see, Hey,
this is a pop in server.
And they would just start joining as well.
You'd have a, uh, kind of like a one, two punch double effect there.
Uh, because you have it's's it's the server seated by
people and uh and then everyone else joins because they see it's just a popular uh server because
like most of these server interfaces they show the most popular servers you know they highlight
them so this could be a big win it
could be a catalyst i just wanted to clarify something because i might have missed something
while i was driving um just because rugged and i'm not driving now yeah i'm being safe um you did
you guys did go i do agree with this ethos of you know a really good game and yada yada and
definitely having you know digital assets that are on chain. One thing I like, I always talk to people about is, like, I think really
for to get more people into it, I don't think it's necessarily a great idea. While you know,
people are getting used to the tech to have the game only accessible on chain, like, and I'm just
and forgive me if you guys already made the
differentiation that generally speaking it's just better if we want to get more people on board to
just let people play it and then if they want to buy their little fancy toys then it's like okay
well then you have to get on whatever what what blockchain yeah i think the best way to do it is to have like a web 2.5 experience but but onboarding
is like fully um uh like immutable uh where it creates a account with like web two ways so like
you can just sign in with your google or you can sign up with whatever type of
IRL app you have. And then it also creates you an account in the background. And then
the second step is just make sure that the on-chain stuff is kind of in the background
running seamlessly. Like for instance, if you have a currency, it's just the currency in the background running seamlessly um like for instance if you have um a currency it's just
the currency in the background but uh you know people don't necessarily need to know that
that uh like a whole bunch about blockchain and wallets and and all that because it's just
it built into the game seamlessly.
I really think the best
and tell me what you think, Timmy, but I think
the best is probably
a Web 2.5 for gaming.
At least initially.
Yeah, at least initially.
Did he rug or am i rugging you i don't know i heard i heard every word i think and i i i have to i was asking you a question uh but uh i don't know if you can hear me
but basically just saying i guess the overall opinion is just that it's probably like a web 2.5
experience uh that that's going to be the best.
Anyone else
want to jump on Luke's question?
What was the question i'm sorry
would one really good game like uh if one game hits off in web3 gaming will that be a
like catalyst for all the other games or would just that one game be public
popular i mean i think there might be a a secondary effect on the other games because
once they see how that's working they try out different ones but do you guys really think that
one game like if we would get fortnite as a crypto game would that like bring the whole narrative
back maybe hopefully i mean if you look at it in the sense of a virus yeah i mean you get
it once it's inside like hopefully it starts spreading to you know everybody else um but also
like if that studio specific studio successful with one game you know they could potentially
launch others because they have now they have the know-how and experience um but at
the same time i mean you know obviously having a successful project um in every single category
can be a little bit different i mean for the most part the formats and the you know the playbook is
the same um but you know maybe for you for gaming, it's obviously been a challenge and not a single team has been able to perfect the playbook, even though they've been able to have successful launches.
You know, they've had successful, you know, initial communities.
They've had, you know, build outs, but we haven't had a truly successful game experience that has been able to carry for, you know,
a long term.
I think once that playbook is out there and other teams can study it and
copy it.
Yeah.
I think it,
I think it would open the door.
You know,
I think it would also,
if it's,
you know,
the PR and the,
the,
the marketing around it is done correctly, it should let down everybody's guard and really bring everybody's attitude back to gaming on Web3 is fun.
Make Web3 gaming great again.
Yeah, definitely, man.
I agree, Luke.
I think that we're always one step away.
I think, like, no matter what, in a lot of instances in Web3, blockchain, crypto, a lot of these categories are really just one step away from um one one step as in one catalyst away from a major run uh adoption
or adoption you know whatever the scenario is and yeah i think one game or, you know, us playing in a game, like you were saying with GTA 6, making a good server, that could be a catalyst that drives a lot more speculation and interest to Web3 gaming.
Like Richard's saying, Richard's the virus analogy.
Yeah, like it could, it could be contagious, you know, then other people,
once they see opportunity, uh, a fun game, uh, you know, people want to replicate it.
People want to build their own servers and yeah, it could really take off.
And then, uh, rising tide lifts all boats.
So then other games in the category and web3 would also get a lot of interest.
So yeah, it could be a positive catalyst.
And could be a real good onboarding event for crypto overall.
If you look at the amount of play, like if we have a Roblox kind of game, but in crypto,
just imagine how many new wallets there would be and how many
new users we could get in like the amount of daily users that they have i think it's like
a thousand times more than we have overall in crypto so just by one really successful game
we could like directly print in the whole crypto community. I mean, that would be really nice. So rooting
for that. But yeah, Litecoin server on GTA six, if you
sponsor it, I will find a dev to to make it happen.
Yeah, we actually know a dev team that was building a super popular
Fortnite servers.
Like they literally left a web three
to go build a Fortnite servers
because they were doing so well.
They're making a lot of money.
So we could probably engage with them
and see if they would want to build GTA 6 servers.
I'm sure that once GTA 6 finally comes online,
there will be a lot of interest.
They'll probably sap a lot of gamers from all around the world to GTA 6.
It's been highly anticipated.
26th of November.
That's at least the current uh plan I mean if we all get
behind and really bring that idea with bringing all of the games in that server and every single
KOL over here and every game sponsors like 10,000 bar or like doesn't need to be 10,000 but if
everyone does PR around that I think we could really make that happen. That would be awesome.
That would be fun, man. I would
love to play in a server
that actually uses
cryptocurrency. Yeah, I mean, especially
a game that
the more involved we could be with other people,
the better. Something that people would
actually want to live
stream so that the PR is
something you can actually get paid for um and and I'm just gonna say something snarky because I
don't I just have to like the thing about the KOLs is I just don't really feel like it has the impact
that it used to because people know that they're botting the hell out of their rooms. I mean, Mario Nafal, I mean the biggest host on Twitter. I mean,
and I mean, and he's doing it, you know, I just,
I just don't think we're at the age anymore.
Like unless you guys can tell me wrong,
but someone's willing to give someone $60,000 a month just to talk about your
shit. I really just don't. I just don't.
I just kind of feel like KOLs is almost like a thing of the past. And if you are someone that's good in doing some of like the promoting
and you're a good entertainer and you're a good conversationalist, nobody's really trust you
unless these days, unless you have your own, you know, thing going. And even then, you know,
people don't necessarily trust you because they might think you're going to rug the whole thing.
But I just kind of think, you know, and if somebody wants to prove me wrong, okay, but like,
who knows somebody that, you know, is being offered, you know, that stupid amount of money,
just, well, it's not stupid. Okay. It's just the opportunity is different now, but is anybody
offering anyone that kind of money anymore? And even so so aren't some of these people kind of dropping
off knowing that just one person you know promoting it is not going to make the difference
you know especially when you think you're promoting to 5 000 people and you're really
only promoting to 25 humans because the rest are bots yeah that's true but if you look at for
example of the grid and other games uh that go market, there's a secondary effect of if you buy one big streamer. And I think that should be the go to market strategy as well. Find one big streamer or group of example Mario Kart events and they bring all the biggest German creators together
to play Mario Kart and then they
have all bring in their clippers and
do stuff on
TikTok and then it's all over the timeline
because they bring in like 10
of those streamers and they do that
often for free
just for the cloud
and for the new followers
that they get through that.
So if we would find one that already has an existing community of other streamers they do stuff with,
make a tournament inside GTA 6,
then you have the whole secondary effect
because all the copycat KOLs would jump in as well
in order to recreate the thing or be part of their journey and then they start streaming it as well in order to like recreate the thing or be part of that journey.
And then they start streaming it as well.
And that could be then the,
the wildfire that we need in order to kick this off.
You just need to find the right person that has that pull that could like
really not just move a little bit,
but like move the whole narrative.
So we need to pitch in together to find that one dude uh like
maybe the biggest gta streamer or even a shitty dude like aiden ross i think could pull this off
i mean he does have like 5 000 followers as you say and not like a million but people like this
not through the streams itself but through the clips that you generate, because the clips are the things that pull in people and the money, not the stream itself.
Like the stream, you could stream to two people, doesn't matter.
The clips that afterwards are generated, which get millions of views across like total different clipping channels, other people, other creators making their takes on that.
That's how you get into people,
not through the live stream itself.
I don't care if they stream to 25 people
or 100,000 people.
The difference is the clips
that are afterwards generated
because who the fuck watches three hours
screaming of some dude?
No one, no one.
But everyone sees clips, for example, from iShowSpeed
on his Instagram. But I
don't think any one of you ever watched
a single stream itself
or at least a whole.
No one does that.
But everyone sees the clips on
Instagram and TikTok. And that
brings the people in. And that's what we need to focus
on. And then we can make it work.
At least that's how I believe in it.
But what you're saying makes sense.
I'm sorry, I interrupted.
I talked over somebody.
No, go ahead.
What you're saying makes sense
because I would differentiate a streamer from a KOL.
I mean, even though they're kind of intertwined.
And you know, I should probably not
be playing the like word police game. So yeah, let me just stop playing that game for a second.
But you said, you know, you talked about some key points as to why this is actually effective.
And that's because they're doing stuff with other streamers. They have their community. God,
I fucking hate that word. And I just said it out loud. They have their community god i fucking hate that word and i just said it out loud they have their community of people that can actually help spread the word you know together people that want to
stream all of this stuff and and want to you know participate there are some amazing gaming guilds
out there and i don't know if some of you are part of any of them but it's just like you get
in touch with one of those guilds and you got the guild, you know, as a whole, you know, doing stuff together. Oh my God. Like there's really no
stopping it then. I love this. Yeah. Good, good points on everyone. I think, you know,
at the end of this space, it felt a little bit like a therapist session.
I feel like a lot of people were really letting things out.
Like as an episode, usually it's not, I don't know what the word is, but I think it was a good constructive episode where we really got to let a lot of things out. And then I think also we've,
we've thought of some really great ideas to move forward ways that we can
improve things.
I love the idea that Luke brought up, you know,
bringing things back to honor with our space.
I want to read your article now.
Actually, I don't get in the pin.
There's only, there's only uh
there's only in my pin there's only uh rasmus's uh planet ix uh
yeah i send it to you as well but it's also the pin yeah that was the pin post on my profile i love
that okay perfect yeah thank you man but i i agree man this is a good episode i'm thinking this
is probably a good time to start closing up um i have to jump for calls soon and and um
also rock i gotta talk to you uh but um yeah it was a good space
yeah it was a good space
rock do you want to start uh shouting people out or i can uh go for it
yeah so much love to everyone that's joined us today like always we do this every friday we have
different um categories that we discuss in the web 3 space sometimes we go outside of web 3 we've had health
we've talked about aliens before as a topic psychedelics that was a fun one
but yeah it's generally web 3 they're very informative always you never kind of know what
you're going to get but but I guess the one thing you you you can of know what you're going to get. Uh, but, but the, I guess the one thing you, you, you can, uh, know is that it's going
to be a great discussion.
There's going to be, you know, a bunch of friends up here talking about, uh, passionately
about, uh, whatever subject it is.
And you'll, you'll get a good amount of, uh, information.
There's definitely a lot of, uh, um, alpha that gets dropped in these spaces and it's
a good time every friday so join us uh next friday as well uh next friday actually when is uh when
is the lightpoint space so i think that's a 22nd uh yes yes 22 20 hold on let me let me verify this because
yeah darren has a lot i don't even know what day it is
darren has messaged me like four times on this uh yeah i have it right here though
i have what i just trying to figure out what's the next uh what's next week next week is protifier protof oh i think i'm on that one protifier is the 20th then light coin is the 27th
and then aliens is uh april 3rd let's go i'm so excited for aliens like i'm praying like i'm
literally praying right now that you gotta bring bring your tinfoil hat, man.
I want to hear the most tinfoil hat stuff.
And there's so much information coming from credible sources nowadays,
so that's going to be really interesting to unpack.
I hope I have some people that are up on all these.
You know, I specifically, intentionally have gone to Roswell, New Mexico for the Alien Convention, where they just have the parades.
They host all these events about aliens.
That's cool, man.
I'm so going to nerd out.
Yeah, it's going to be a good space.
But yeah, a bunch of good spaces.
Next week, Privacy with Protofire.
I believe Darren was kind of prepping me that they asked for me to join.
I think Smokey from Polygon is going to join.
So that would be a good one.
Then Litecoin, Litecoin Metcoin meta super excited for that one
then aliens
so yeah we've got a bunch of good spaces
join us every Friday guys
shout out to everyone that's here on the panel
you know dropping alpha bombs
and shout out to
Luke from Medieval Empires
Medieval Empires is one of those fun games in Web3.
So please follow them and check it out.
If you like gaming, this is a game you definitely got to take a look at.
And then I guess just shout out to everyone here in the audience.
I see Alitza.
Good to see your face again. We got Don, Fudgy
Penguin here. Smoking Guns, welcome back. We got Quantum Biosys. It's a sci-fi tech
fun exploring the frontiers of the digital world no ai no bots i i that's a
i don't know i'm just gonna follow you man i i uh seems interesting john sharp what's up bro
john sharp's a uh an og doge coiner and a friend of mine uh blue cat.eth welcome back anna j hey what's up good to see you um bro hit uh mogal good to see
you again see a lot of familiar faces here eric hansen i i see you every week eric. I love your PFP. It's actually a game, PFP. I remember from Secret Network,
which I'm a big privacy fan. So love that PFP there. Let's see. Also,
pfp there uh let's see also shamana good to see you again uh kenneth what's up brother
love talking to you in the comments on my post also a digital fellow same to you
uh much love see a lot of light corners here as well
uh anyone you guys want to shout out?
Anyone else want to say anything before we go?
Shout out to Darren.
We need an AI space ASAP.
What do you got?
It's an alpha man.
I know you've been cooking and you've been having AI calls.
I mean, there's all kinds of stuff to talk about.
I mean, generally AI is going to eat the world.
And if you don't want to be eaten, but you want to be fed, then you need to find your plan within AI because everything is going to be disrupted.
And I think a lot faster than we were expecting.
So Crypto Quorum on Thursday is an AI space.
Nice. I'll be there.
So please come. Yeah.
Yeah. You, you, you both already have it on your calendar.
Oh, cool.
Uh, what, What is it again?
Yeah, so the actual title, hang on, I actually just can't remember off the top of my head.
The actual title is Will AI Agents Kill KYC?
Oh, let's do it.
I love that.
I love that.
Yeah, I hate KYC.
I'll have to
shift a
call.
Do you want me to add it to your calendar as well, Richard?
Sure.
I was just saying that I'll have to move some meetings around
for Rock.
Oh, okay.
Thanks, Richard.
Yep. All right, guys. good times yeah that would be great yeah yeah you're closing up okay cool cool i'll catch y'all later this is fun as always
see you guys bye-bye hey rock i gotta i gotta call you okay okay. Okay. Bye. See you guys. Bye.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
