- Hey everyone, we're going to starting just a minute, just finishing setting up a couple of things here.
All right, I believe we can get started now.
Yeah, Danny will be joining us in a couple of minutes. She's trying to fix something with her Twitter, of course. You know, there is always here to help us having great spaces. So yeah, GM to everyone. This is this is a panel a discussion panel to
talk about DAUS and you know there is no doubt that DAUS are powerhouses of web three communities and we're getting ready to witness the magic of the decentralized transparent and democratic democratic decision making.
Great. Today we have two great guests joining us with two great names in their Twitter handles. One is the Taken user and the other one is PopyBilly. So this is going to be a phone one. Danny, you want to take it from here?
Yes, we're very stoked to have you all here today. We definitely enjoyed amazing guests. So hey, Billy, do you mind telling us a little bit more about developer doubt?
Yeah, Mike checked twice on okay. Yeah, sounds fine. Okay, perfect. Yeah, so the the too long you know too long TLDR about dev. Dow is was we're a network of developers were a chain agnostic.
We got people from the EVM world, from polygon, nosis, arvodrum, etc. People in Salana, Sui, polkadot, networking developers that just kind of share resources, places to hang out.
know, our new structure is kind of like vibes, build, govern, you know, and just interact with each other. So the primary draw to us is being able to just be with like-minded people, you know, share ideas, share content, and help each other out.
Cool. We've been actually a communication partner for developer now for a while now and having developer though happy leveraging push protocol notifications for new proposals on a snapshot new topic creation is under
forum and send their notifications. And actually, we're very, very excited to announce that till now, we've got 10,000, there are 345 notifications that have been triggered by developer Dow directly to the users wallet.
Yeah, it's pretty cool. Like whenever we get any kind of for me, I get information on when people were proposals, I get the notifications on there. So that's pretty cool. I like it. Yeah. Okay. So last but not least, our second guest of the day is Ivan from Aragon. How are you doing today, Ivan?
Doing well, doing well, thanks for having me. Excited to chat about the evergreen topic of improving the house and engaging communities.
It's a pleasure to have you here. Do you mind telling us a bit more about Argon, please? Of course. I mean, it's kind of my job. So, at Argon, we are building flexible and secure tools
that allow anyone to launch and manage an on-chain native organization. We've been doing that since 2016. We were one of the first to start looking into that space at a time when nobody wanted to touch those because
because the Dow, the reason for Ethereum and Ethereum class, classic, was very fresh and everybody was churning away. We started building and as a result, we have products like LIDO and Curve and Decentraland using that infrastructure.
Thanks for sharing. Actually, I think it's a very good time to announce our partnership with Aragon because today we are also celebrating not just this awesome space, but the Aragon Cushion Tification channel going live.
Now everyone can keep up with everything happening in your DAO by subscribing to the Argon channel of push protocols. The more exciting aspect of it is also the
that the 530 or maybe more by now, a thousand that have launched on our one can have access to that as well for their respective doubts.
Yeah. And you know, because we're just about to get started with some questions that we had referred. But you know, before we go there, we are really, really excited to
to know how you guys jumped into the Dow space. So maybe I have a new, I mean, you were just talking about all the different dows that that Argonia is working with. But how was your entrance into the Dow world?
So I joined in general the blockchain space back in 2017, done a few gigs along the way, but I joined Argonne, I think, like,
little over two years ago. Until that point, I have vaguely heard of the house, but I wasn't really aware of what that is. But it was like a pretty quick onboarding because being in the center of that vibrant ecosystem, you know, we had two.
pretty quickly catch up and so at this point I dare say I'm maybe not an OG of the topic but at least I know where all the cool stuff is happening and also where all the skeletons are buried
That's a nice way you got put in it. Really, what about you? Yeah, kind of similar story. I got into the crypto space in 2017. You know, more as like an investor type of thing. And it really wasn't until I kind of discovered like multiple chains and I discovered a chain called X-Dye, where I found like
the one high of Dow. And I think that was my first experience of actually working within a Dow and their hardcore decentralized and they actually came from Eragon down, they kind of forked it and built their own garden system. And I really learned about like on-chain governance and the way they work and the way contributions and the ups and downs
of those kind of situations. And then, you know, I learned about other DAOs that they work with, like TEC Commons and the common stack and all these other DAOs that I went into. And then I discovered a DAO for developers, right? Developer DAO. So, you know, I wanted to learn how to develop at the time. So I figured what better place than to hang out with a bunch of developers.
and get that moving. So, you know, I kind of found my home in there, you know, because every, every Dao house, like their own style and kind of their own culture. And that's kind of where I felt the most comfortable and made, you know, a lot of friends. And I have friends and all these other Daos, but I just, I connected more with the Deaf Dao folk more than any. And so that's why#
Cool. I think the question how you started out is very related like how you started to web 3 because it always comes with very interesting answers. So thank you guys for sharing. So now I think a truly important aspect of the
and open engage communities is understanding who is their community and creating pathways for members to know how to progress and play the role they want in the Dow. So to start things off, why don't you explain us.
who is the arrogant community.
It's a very good question. It's one of the symptoms of the space that we are trying to disrupt everything and everyone.
The thinking of community management, stakeholder management is a very good model because we just bundle everyone in that one whole encompassing world of community. People are contributing to the project code base and growth and operations.
You have people that are partnering and integrating with your product like push is now part of our community in one way or another.
You know, you have projects that are building on top of your product or protocol and like all of that and obviously you know you also have token holders that are often
The governors of and the providers of the initial funding for for a product or a protocol and All of those are important stakeholders and community members in in one way or another
Okay, so now for developer now they have a quite different community, but there must be many similarities. So what is like in the developer community that developer community?
Yeah, that's, you know, it's a wide range of different folks, you know, we've done a lot of restructuring from what we call season one to season two and and the change of the dynamics and the people that interact in the last two years. And I'm pretty sure every Dow has gone through this where you had a large influx of all kinds of people
in your Dow in 2020-2021 and then as prices change the sentiment changes and interactivity changes. So the focus is obviously development, learning how to develop, but more importantly, the soul of DevDow is the community.
Everybody has different walks of life. And one part, as a community manager, is, you know, as developers, developers need something to do. They want to build something, but they also need jobs. And so devs don't always give other people jobs to other devs like maybe they want a side project or they need collaborators, but it doesn't get them paid.
being able to reach out to people outside of that Dow circle of marketers, founders, people that help make things move as well are another structure that we need to reach out to because you know, devs need jobs, devs need to do other things and just build side projects. You know, they want to
built a production, they want to get hired somewhere, they want to learn new stacks. And it's like, that's the melting pot of like this, this type of culture that we're trying to build and develop a doubt, where it's just, you don't have to be a dev to join. And we love just community members. So we have a big focus on vibes. You just want to come out and hang and just
chat and you don't have to talk about the latest SDK or the latest governance proposal. That's totally cool too. But if you want to share your screen and build something really cool and find some collaborators, then that's awesome too. So like it's a dynamic range of different mindsets that come together that have the same thing in
Like are we purely Web 3 or do we mess with AI? We have a couple AI folks in dev. So like it's just a constant evolving community that just keeps expanding, which I think is super cool. And I think that's kind of unique to developer now where we're not just one thing, but we kind of change with the better of the community.
The ultimate challenge point for DAUZ. Absolutely. And for us, that has been a topic of discussion internally for us here in push. Because not everybody who's in your discord is actually a member of your DAUZ.
shouldn't be that shouldn't be the case right so one thing that we have been doing is is understanding who is our community and this was one of the reasons why we wanted to to ask what's what's your communities like because we like to take you know advice and we
We are always understanding what others are doing so we can also apply that knowledge for our DAO. But understanding who is your community is probably one of the most important and most critical parts towards creating a healthy DAO. But yeah, it's super interesting what you guys are saying.
I agree with Jeff. I think it's a very interesting points of view and I'd like to stick something that really said that the community is the soul of the Dow.
And I would like to ask how is in the developer's process to go from just a community member to a natural job contributor?
That's a really, really good question. And what I found in what we call season one and season two has been two totally different things. Right? And the good comes with the bad, in a sense, where we, anybody can be a contributor to the space.
they're willing to put in the work like we have block contributors like a lot of dev roles like to make technical blogs and they can contribute that way. They can run their own initiatives. But the thing I've noticed a lot with Dow is people like to get things started to use that as leverage and then they get a job somewhere and then that initiative dies and then we have all these these
have built projects that were used as leverage and then they were good ideas but then no one champions it after they leave. So we've been doing a more restructure of trying to find out where we have more sustainable projects to get things moving. So the blogs are great for technical writers.
that the dev roles are working for videos and everything we can do to support developers and contributors building up to the project. But having more focused accountability has been more of the focus of being able to like, okay, this person can deliver. So let's give them a better position in a sense. And so that seems to be working a little bit better.
as for deliverables, we've had partnerships in the past and this is pre-billy CM, okay? But the partnerships that were promised on something in the community, but they didn't have a connection with the community, right? So, for example, we have many hackathons now for developer Dow that we just focused on one platform.
And people have come to us, "Hey, we want to partner with you." And me as a community manager, I reach out to different people. So I know they're stuck. I've worked with them. Maybe we've done a hackathon in the past together. So it's like, "All right, we have tons of front-end developers, or we have so many solidar developers, or we have so many rest developers."
If someone comes out with us and a new stack language, I'm not going to set the community up for failure. It's like, oh, we don't have enough community members that are going to be able to deliver on this partnership. So knowing that from your community, being able to talk to your community and going back and forth will let me know who's serious about contributions and getting started. Oh, this person
person has been showing initiative, they've been showing up to the meetings, they've been coming up deliverables, let's give this person a shot versus this random person that comes into your DAO. Hey, I can do, I'm a five year dev full stack dev, give me a job, right? Like it's just a random person you haven't seen. But the person that keeps showing up, that interacts, that you get to see that name over and#
They're answering questions. Those are the people that we want. Those are the, "Hey, that person really has a drive initiative. Let's give them a shot. Let's find them something to do." This is what they're really good at. That's on the community manager to say, "Hey, let's interact. What are you looking to do? What is your short-term goal, long-term goal? Do you like where you're
at, you know, are we reviving here at the Dow? And then once we get that platform set into place, then things flourish because people really like the feedback. They get elevated as a person in the Dow and they get rewarded. And that seems to be like the better way to do things currently at developer Dow. I'm curious to see how they do it at, uh, there we go.
I love what you were describing because it's so so one of the things that we now know for sure is that there is no substitute for time right like I'm during during the
You for you there was like oh yeah, it's a doubt just like jumping and and and contribute and you'll get compensated and it was just a soup of people claiming to have certain skill sets and capabilities
And ultimately, like, more often than not, that didn't materialize.
There is the best way of assessing who's capable of war is just spend time and ship something together. That's how things can move and grow to stay.
And that ties to contributors, it also ties to more broadly community members. There is a very good reason why in a more traditional setting, equity,
I think optimism is a good signal with like, "Oh, we did the first era draw, but people that have actually kept up the behavior we wanted to attract in a reward. We're going to give another one." That was not an
right like nobody knew oh I should perform this action to like mine a bigger allocation right it was like oh like you've been doing what we wanted you to do in the first place like here is the more tokens um so yeah I think I think you know observe
desired behavior over time is a very good indicator of who you should put more trust into. Also something very interesting, I had a very interesting conversation yesterday.
for past interactions to carry valuable information, there needs to be the opportunity to deflect or fail.
If we've been collaborating for a year, but I know you would never deflect because the system doesn't like you. We are building trustless systems. You cannot
not validate the blocks correctly. Which basically means that that year of collaboration carries no information for me because you haven't deflected, but you also have no opportunity to do it. So I don't know you in a way.
Sorry, that was too philosophical and not to the point, but I can't be to like give a more practical answer as well. Yeah, I like the chime in really quick on this because just just something that I like to point out that I've seen from Dow's in general, but
When there are contributions that can be made with bounties, it brings in a certain type of people. If there's money opportunities, look at get coin grants. Look at ENS grants. Look how many people sign up from that. We have to learn from Dow that it just brings a certain type of people when there's money opportunities that
not always in the best interest of your doubt. So you have to be able to talk to the people, understand the people, communicate with them to see what their true intentions are. Everybody knows now, like, you know, is this PG 13 or full of poop? You know, you could, you could tell with just a simple conversation.
of like, okay, what are the intentions are? Do they know what they're talking about? And if you just take the time to talk to the people within their personal touch, you can learn so much about the intentions of people overall, just by spending a few minutes with them overall. That's all.
Yeah. It's all about coordination and communication, right? But you know, it's super, it's super interesting to know how you guys, because there are differences, of course, on how you guys create these pathways for your community to
move from being a community member to a Dell contributor, right? But that goes hand by hand with how are your dials is structured to work. And because we're building the future, the future of work here, then it's got to be fun and it's got to be engaging on
otherwise we are setting up ourselves for a big problem. Right? So right now what we wanted to explore is understand how each of your dows are structured, because it goes hand by hand with how you manage tensions. And that's something that Ivan spoke a little bit about.
a few weeks ago in Edcon, but it would be really interesting because tensions will always be there. Depending on how your DAO works, there are easy ways to dealing with them, but you know, it can get complicated. So maybe I wonder if you can tell us something a bit about that.
It's a controversial take, but if you look at most projects that are delivering products, they follow a pretty close resemblance to a corporate structure.
token holders at the top, you have the delegates which serve in something like a de facto board and then you have like guilds underneath that getting funded to like do continuous work. And I mean, we've had like
centuries of human organizational structures evolving and that seems to be a pre-eurobus starting point. And obviously we are in the early innings of leveraging permissionless tech to coordinate. So this is not an end state, it's a Schumerific solution, meaning we're just using
new technology to do something the way we used to do it before. But it's a pretty good starting point, especially early on in the lifecycle of, let's say, a product, right? Like if you have a very mature,
system where you can have different teams maintaining the same product and potentially competing with each other to get allocations of funding to build new functionality or maintain the product.
It's a very different setup. It's very likely a different setup with the merge, but given the stage of the industry for most projects, a lean setup of like token holders, you have delegates, you have guilds. Maybe there is, and it's quite common, you know, you have some sort of like a
bounty or grants facility that funds like project by project basis, but for like the continuous work, you know, just
guilds, they get compensated on some regularity to do like, continuous work. That's our structure, that's the dominant structure across product and protocol.
super interesting, super interesting take for sure. You know, one of the one of the things that we were talking about when we were, you know, just just planning the questions and planning these spaces. There are so many differences between between arrogant and developer, because also when it comes to developer, you're full of developers in
and developers tend to try to automate everything they see. So, you know, we were curious to understand how is your mouse structured and how you deal with tensions as well. And how do you work in general in the Dell? >> I would say,
Similar to the Eragon approach, where we have these, these, these dows where the token holders are kind of like we have these, these stewards that, that kind of guide the system and then it kind of trickles down in a similar way that it is for Eragon. But it comes onto the question of like, who brings value to the Dow? Is it the developers?
Is it the social people? Some developer that can build this really cool automation tool is great, but a person that can make you feel welcome to the Dow and has these great relationships with a lot of Dow members, well, who's bringing more value to the Dow? The person making tools, the person making you feel welcome.
Right, so you know we have these different sections like do you want to come into vibe you want to come into build you want to come into govern and everybody has a place and with that makes you know more problems right so it's a very interesting scope of like you know have you ever dealt with a lot of developers and personalities right you know not every
Everybody is going to agree. We're not pizza, not everybody can be happy. Imagine ordering pizza for everybody. I want pineapple, I want mushrooms, or I want this and that. No one's ever going to agree 100%. It's finding that happy medium of where people want to sit and be happy. Maybe someone is dev rallying and traveling and they just need a place to vent and chat.
I want to talk shop. So it's an interesting place. They are contributing to the Dow because they're also sharing ideas and making people feel better. And then there's another team of people that are building structures or open source projects that's bringing a lot more attention to the Dow. So it's still an experiment, I say, in my world of like
where the value comes from in a Dow. Obviously, you need tools built and you need people to govern. Those are mandatory things, but there are other outside sources that bring value. If it's a negative energy and no one's bringing positive energy, then your Dow dies. You need interactive. You need people to
communicate, you need people to do something within the Dow. Like a joke I say, like if you want to truly destroy a Dow, you give all the core members, high paying jobs and all of a sudden that Dow falls apart because they have no reason to be there and communicate, right? Like they're too busy doing something else and then the heart of the Dow dies. So there's a lot of factors
in their two. For other dials that I've been in as well, you have the founding members that have a ton of tokens that have this old vision. And then time passes a couple years. And let's say the token value goes up, let's say they got them at a penny and another dollar. And now you have a new blood, a new generation of people. But you still have these old people with a lot of stakes in
working this season. Let's try it with this. This isn't working for this quarter. Let's try it this way. And getting fresh eyes and new blood and new opinion, and that comes down to the community manager, like, what is the sentiment of the Dow, right? Sometimes the coders aren't listening. Their heads down and they're doing their thing and they're just about pumping code. But if someone's coming in and saying, hey, you know#
going on over here, it's boring, I'm not feeling included or I'm not feeling elevated, then we're losing members, we're losing just general spirit that defeats the purpose of the doubt. So it's such a long-winded answer on that, like how to approach certain things, but it's such a dynamic in the space that I think we're still experimenting
But in a sense, like, who gives what value is the question when it comes down to like, is it the token holders? Is it someone that contributed and got some tokens? Is it the big whale that brought, you know, $100,000 worth of tokens that says this is how we're going to do it? You know, I come from like the original punk theories and mindset of like, no one can govern me, right?
So it's kind of a tough situation of like how we all want to go in certain aspects and directions. And I think by having these subcategories and like finding your tribe within the Dow is the great approach to like each one has its values. And with there you can kind of focus on what you want to do in the Dow as well.
Awesome. Thank you for telling me. Oh, you would like to say something. Yeah, I want to just chip in here because I think poppy made like a few really good points, right? Like a lot of projects have worked from like the capital.
supply meme that came with Bitcoin, right? And it's like cool, but the tokens are not necessarily money, like Bitcoin, so like having a cap supply doesn't
make too much sense. And I was like, oh, we have a cat supply and then we distributed way too much of it to the early contributors and then two years into the project we cannot incentivize new contributors.
It just for most dials that's probably a pretty terrible idea. So it's you if you're building something that should last decade, if not centuries, you cannot just spend all the
You know, all the, like, you cannot distribute all the decision making power in the first six months of the life cycle of that endeavor.
Okay, actually we just arrived to the topic of the conversation because we have heard about the problems associated with the bottom mechanisms with the data tags and voter apathy and Lalith could go on and one powerful tool to battle all these problems is enhancing to
communication and improving participation of our communities in the governance process. So in this lecture section, we'll like to know how each of your communities are doing to foster safer and open environments where your community will want to come to learn and participate in the decision making.
And then let me jump in here really quick guys if you have best practices to share please do the things that we're coming to a very very exciting stage of our of our DAO. We are just we just announced the launch of our push V2 product.
with version 2 of the protocol. And it's coming with very, very interesting features, a lot of different things. And you know, with more power, more responsibility, right? So things that are like the most probably the two main features that are introduced with the version 2 is
push fee bulls taking an incentivized chat request and you know they're cool features right but the community will have a say the community will will have a say eventually when we come to put up proposals and making sure that the dark community understands that they are the
whatever they are deciding will have a true impact in the protocol. So many cool things are coming, but a big responsibility is coming to our community as well. So if you have best practices on how to really rally your community to voting and do informed voting, please share.
I'm going to jump in on that one and say if I knew how to do that, I'd be very, very rich. I mean, most people want somebody else to do it, and all honesty, unless it is somewhat directly benefits them, right? People can't even vote for the president, right? So it's a very difficult thing to get people to really care about governance unless they're deeply connected to the
but we talked about them on Twitter or other channels and they had their tags in their bios, which is super awesome. But sending out 20 announcements is literally the same thing as sending out zero announcements because everybody will mute you in conversations with everybody. I'm like, you know, there was too many announcements. So it was annoying. So I turned it off. So they don't really know what's going on. So
It's like, how do you find that balance where you have something that people would care about to get news like, "Oh, here's a new proposal that someone's asking for $10,000." I'm like, "Well, who cares? I'm pretty sure it'll work itself out versus I should participate and I'm going to go ahead and put my say into it." But then I go against the grain and then everybody's going to hate me, right#
There's all this public voting that people just kind of go with what's popular so they don't look like the bad guy nobody wants to be the bad guy sometimes I gotta be the bad guy but you know it's there's a lot of these like Public like or political type of things that you have to go into play for governance voting maybe you don't think it's a good idea but You know you don't want to be the bad guy the only one that says
So then you just say yes. So then like there's a lot of influence in that as well. So like, you know, what can we do to solve that is our like privacy voting, like zero knowledge voting. You know, there's a lot of things that will come in the future that I think will have better tools for us to do that so people can vote safely. But then, you know, how do you stop people from voting nefariously, right#
you know, buying a whole bunch of tokens and then trying to push, you know, an initiative past that. There's just so many, so many things that I wish I had an answer for and I'm going to go back with like we're still experimenting to see what kind of works and I don't think anything one thing will work, but just being able to communicate with with the Dow because again, you do a proposal on a forum and how many times have people#
red text, right? Like they get the wrong substance from what you're trying to point out. And sometimes you have to have this meeting and then you have to explain your position. And you know, there's just a lot of things that need to be taken care of. And there's just so many different personalities in the space that it's very, very difficult to time to come to quorum. So, you know,
In short, you have to get those core members of the Dow to care and then figuring out like depending on your culture of your of your you know Dow, you know, how do you get more people to be interested in that and like how it affects them? Sometimes you have to be that communicator, but without communicating too much where people mute you. In a sense.
I love the fact that you gave this answer because there is no person I've ever met that actually knows how to doubt, this is the definition
way to do this, people that claim to have a formula are usually the most cool-less ones. So I think giving the honest answer of like, we have no idea what we're doing and how to do it well is the only
intellectually honest way of going about this. I think there were quite a few good points there. I use the mental model to make a good decision unique. To rethink, you need expertise.
to like in general, you were capable of making decisions related to specific domain.
You need context, meaning you're up to speed of what's currently happening and you need incentive, so skin in the game. At the moment, we are basically measuring only, do we have incentive? That incentive is hyper-financialized and hyper-short
term, some projects are doing like the V token thing where it's like, oh, I'm going to lock my focus for a long time and that's how I'm going to increase my voting power, which is like a good mechanism because it's at least means like, oh, like you're locked in for four years. So you're not going to do stupid stuff and like
trade off immediate benefit for long-term harm. But that's solving only part of the problem. And then just humans have cognitive limitations. You cannot maintain context on more than I'm going to pull a number out of air and say maybe
five communities and like your friends and family in real life is like one of those right so technically you're likely like maybe four digital communities so it's it's tough like you need to find people that care you need to find people
that actually have the incentive in the right place and you need to provide them with the necessary and timely information. I think specifically for push, it could be interesting. One of the things I've been thinking about is when you make something free,
you actually decrease its value. So like paying, like if I know that, like somebody paid $10 to send me a message, I'm gonna be like, like that message better be fucking important. Cause like, like nobody's just gonna like burn money to send messages around, right?
I've been doing sometimes, send messages in the bytecode of an Ethereum transaction. I paid $20 to send a message and it's like, okay, I know the recipient would know that this message is important if I'm paying that much to send it.
the Internet can read it, which is the downside, but that's a different topic. And then another cool element that you mentioned is private voting. And actually, we're building something for nouns around that.
The reason is exactly what Papi mentioned. We've had this idealistic view of like, oh, there is going to be a nefarious nation-state who's going to come after us and that's where we need privacy tech. But the reality is,
people were like self-sensoring because they didn't want to get canceled and that's why we need privacy tech. Like self-sensorship is extremely powerful and you know in the non-community they have this challenge of like
I people would not vote down a proposal even if it's just bad Across the board just because it's like oh like that person supported this proposal I have my proposal scheduled to come in next month if I vote their thing down they gonna vote
My thing down, so I'm going to vote their thing up even though it's stupid. Right? So they're like, OK, well, we need a private. So they have like a private comment system. It's called K&A. And then, you know, we are partnering with upstack to build like a private voting system for them.
A proof of concept, I just have to give that disclaimer, because the research team working on it is very adamant at managing expectations. That thing is not going to be product ready for maybe 12 to 24 months, but it's a working proof of concept.
And it's going to be exciting stuff.
So thank you guys for your insights. Before we move to the audience for questions, we want to know what is the best way to know more about you guys and your projects.
I guess I'll I'll take that one for I mean definitely like follow the Twitter for dev now they're in the audience listening you can definitely follow them if you choose to follow me awesome and I have a mixture of maybe some educational posts and a lot of crap posts in between so if you like some entertainment you know awesome
You know, it's really for me like as being community manager I didn't even think I was gonna get the gig honestly like they had these elections and you know I have hung around the developer Dow and I've talked to a lot of people what we call a VC5 which is our social channels and You know I saw it up for grabs. I'm like, you know what I'll go for it. I'm not really thinking that I would get it
it and lo and behold, I got up like, wow, what an honor to be amongst like everybody else to say, hey, we really like your style and we would love you to take the position. So in a sense, I stepped up on there and really trying to create like a culture where I really interact. I mean, that's literally why my name is like, probably, instead of Billy Jitsu, because
of a social thing, right? Like I had created a workshop and so I made like a fun NFT thing and they'd made a vote. It was like, "Change his name because of a joke that I made one time." And so literally I stayed true to it, right? And then we have like these social things like I challenged one of our dev roles to a push-up challenge, right? And so we built this thing for a content
track that have like this escrow contract that where we put like a small bet can she you know do a push up by this date and she didn't come through so I ended up having to do a bunch of push ups on stream and I didn't think anybody will watch it but people did and it's like fun things like that that really bring a little bit of viarance to the Dow it's just out of the norm and it's just more of like a connection#
with the community and with the people that brings it a little bit of fun. We get to work and we really try to do a lot of initiatives of building things. I'm trying to think like what else we can build as contributions, like something fun, right? A lot of this first time for this escrow contract was their first contribution or was their first time working with like Waggmy or Rainbow Kitho's
And so it was a low pressure type of system where people can just check in, peep in, experiment, or use a library for their own project. So trying to create an environment where it's a nice, fun, safe place to learn, experiment, share ideas is primarily the goal of for developer Dow.
Overall, like just contribute to open source projects, you know, just, you know, curious. We have a lot of people that are in the web to world that want again into the web to the world and what better place to do that than developer now, right? So, you know, creating it for resource for everybody to check in. Maybe you're curious about a stack. Maybe you're looking for a dev.
You know those kind of things are what we're looking for but the ones the system that we're trying to create is is rewarding the active users right when we talk to partners and we run these hackathons. That's kind of one of the newer things is like we really try to deep dive into you know a specific protocol and build something out of it with that a lot of people have been really engaging
because there's been gigs coming out of that. Now, instead of like the larger hackathons, you kind of have like these faceless bounties and as a protocol like you, like, okay, who has the highest bounty, I'm going to build that. And then who has another bounty, I'm just going to try to add their SDK so I can qualify for the bounty. And you never make a connection, you kind of just kind of
being like a bit of a mercenary, right, going for bounty hunting. And with this, it's a little bit more intimate because you get to work with the dev realms, you get to ask questions, you get to meet the team, you get to interact. And that has been getting a much, much better response because when they get to know the team is, hey, we really mesh well, or we really like your project, which
like to do some contract work or would you like to get a position with us or maybe talk a little bit further. And I think that's been a really really good drive for developer Dow to like, you know, leverage our, you know, developers to be able to get positions or get started or get, you know, the first step into, you know, transitioning to a full web three type of world. So a lot of things happening in developer
there's quite a few changes, a lot of few restructuring, I think for the better overall. So definitely keep it now. Follow, follow developer.douse Twitter and then if you want to, follow mine. I'll be entertaining from time to time. Awesome. Awesome. Definitely we'll be following the accounts later. Ivan, could you tell us what about you and Araghan?
Yeah, sure, absolutely. So our own project is our Twitter handle. It's probably the best starting point. And then, you know, we have like a pretty cool newsletter. I see Sam in the audience. So I have to show it.
If you were a developer, now maybe we have some cool stuff that you can build. In general, we have these t-shirts for it then were last year that said build cool shit on the back.
That's that's that's that's very a very important as a selling point if you are doing something cool Definitely come check check it out with us and if it if it fits we would love to do something together if you're looking to launch
I don't want to doubt best place in the web 3 space. And actually developer is one of our experts. Obviously we're building a product. There is additional services that people need around that product.
customize the other stuff like somebody needs a legal advice and I'm like I don't know if it's not gonna give you legal advice like here's a bunch of like people that actually specialize in that so we can help with that as well. Personally I'm as one of the more
tenure to people on the team. I have too much of burned the whole thing down and the current system is unfixable sort of attitude. So my Twitter is not as refined as professional as our main handle. So, you know,
If you want more structured insight, probably the Argon project is your best bet. And if you just want to vibe on, on burn the whole thing down, mix up with professionalism, follow them.
Awesome, thank you so much. And by the way, for those of you in case you missed it, Samantha just shared here in the space the link to the research for the nouns private voting thing that--
the dive on was mentioned. All right, so we're coming to the end of the hour. If there is any question from the audience now it's the time just raise your hand and we'll bring you up to in the stage.
It looks like the audience is a little shy today, but it's been quite an amazing experience. Donnie, you want to take it from here? Yeah, okay, so I think it's our wrap for today. A huge thank you for all
All our incredible guests, Billy and Ivan for sharing the light on the awesome list of doubts and thank you all you push friends for joining us on this training adventure. Stay tuned for more exciting conversations. Don't forget to opt in into the
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