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How to Get Started on @Fuse_network Ember (A new zkEVM L2)
Recorded: March 31, 2025 Duration: 0:50:06Space Recording
Short Summary
Fuse Amber Network, a new ZKE VM Layer 2 network, is launched in partnership with Quicknode, utilizing Polygon CDK and Avail. The project aims to provide a blockchain for businesses with a focus on modularity and interoperability. A grant program is introduced to attract developers, and significant cost reductions in node operations are achieved. The network emphasizes innovations like account abstraction on mobile, aiming to integrate seamlessly with existing business models.
Full Transcription
Okay, so Mark, we are live and hello everyone who are joining us for this live stream.
And today we have with us Mark Smargon.
He is the founder of Fuse Network and he is here to talk about the Fuse Amber Network,
which is a new ZKE VM Layer 2 network developed on Polygon CDK and Avail being its data availability layer.
So Fuse Amber was developed in partnership with Quicknode on our rollup as a service platform,
basically rollups platform. So Mark has been working with our team from a very
long time now developing this network. Obviously, Mark has been working on developing the network
way before then coming to us, but he came to us when they were ready to launch the network.
So Mark, today we'll be talking about like, what is Fuse Amber network and how is it different from the main Fuse network
and what you should know, what you should keep in mind when you are transitioning from the Fuse
network to Fuse Amber, how is it different, all of that. So thank you. First of all, thank you so
much, Mark, for joining us and agreeing to do this.
And now I will pass it on to you so that you can greet the audience, you can talk about
Fuse Network, you can talk about yourself, and then finally, enlighten us about the
Fuse Amber Network.
So all yours, Mark.
The stage is all yours.
Thanks, Sahil.
So hi, everybody. all yours mark the state list is all yours thanks sahil so uh hi everybody uh we are
very proud to to launch ember it's been a cumulative work of of many people but mostly
it's been a really long research process we we evaluated pretty much every product out there
evaluated pretty much every product out there.
We deployed optimistic rollup.
We deployed ZK stack.
We used different approaches.
We even played with Cosmos for a bit.
And just to explain or give you a little bit of an insight
why we chose Polygon CDK,
maybe it's good to rewind a bit on how we started
and what we're doing
and what we accomplished in the last five years,
which I think is really interesting
because I think nowadays people definitely talk a lot
about stuff that we've been kind of doing for the last five years.
I think now it's starting to be really, really sexy or fashionable.
But five years ago, I want you to imagine 2019, we launched Fuse.
We came to investors.
We told them, listen, stable coins are coins are gonna be huge blockchains are
a good place to stop funds to store money it's so good that probably a lot of businesses will use it
not only investors they're gonna be different blockchains around different use cases i think
to a large extent this vision already happened you You know, we're way past the speculative part.
The future is definitely a very blockchain,
like people are really hopeful that blockchain technology
will help businesses to compete,
will help new business models launch.
Even the United States of America is
pushing for blockchain to to save the dollar so I really think that this is
the you know an easy sell in 2025 but in 2019 it was really hard to convince
people that right so we what we did is we basically decided, okay, EVM is the way to go.
How do we launch an EVM?
So we needed to fork Ethereum.
You got a very, very rudimentary, very basic, monolithic architecture.
We were thinking about scaling that to an L2 like optimism.
But optimistic roll-ups are not faster, they're not cheaper,
they're not more decentralized than our old L1.
Analytic L1 is live for the last five years.
It has millions of users.
It has about 100K transactions a day between 50 and 100,
depending on the day, sometimes more, sometimes less.
But it's been pretty constant
um even then in the bear market we saw a lot of usage and it's very stable it's very resilient
it's very cheap we don't need to pay any maintenance fees for this uh but we always
felt like there's uh this is like the this is not the future the future is not the future. The future is modular. The future allows us to do transactions
off-chain, to use ZK Tech. So we didn't want to launch to optimistic roll-ups as a temporary
stage. We wanted to go to something that is future-proof and not just sexy, but actually
aligned with our objectives so our objectives
is to build a blockchain for businesses and we're launching blockchain that is
that is meant for that was meant for B2B so I think most blockchains 90% of
them are B2B and they're not really consumer facing like people try to to to to tell you
uh built for those businesses and when we apply uh you know the the um like if we've
reapplied this thinking to the real world what do we run what fuse replaces in the real world feels replaces visa and this is why we call fuses
of web3 because we basically look at uh at how stripe will work if it would be using
crypto rails instead of visa uh so stripe only recently started to uh to um support
recently started to support stablecoin payments.
So we have a four year head start on them.
I think as a crypto native protocol, we're well positioned to innovate on this business
model.
And just to explain to you how this business model works uh you can actually take a look uh on our
website and uh and explore uh all those uh things that i'm describing but um on our website there's
a section called console where you go to this console you get um basically the portal to access
our older one if you click on build you can
actually create an operator account the whole idea of of use is that you you
basically have a subscription service a blockchain that you pay 50 dollars a
month and you can actually access all the services all the middleware get a 1
million user operations a month on
the basic plan which cost $50 a month there's also other services that you get
out of the box for this fee so for $50 you can also get a million RPC calls and
a quota for subgraph calls and also webhooks. So basically, all the middleware access that you need to build your own app,
to build your first product on Fuse.
And this is, I would say, very different to how other chains work,
where you only pay the gas, and then you need to go to Alchemy
and pay a subscription for R go to alchemy and pay uh there is a subscription for rpc with alchemy
and then you need to go to sub graphs uh provider like the graph and pay for calls with grt token
so it's very very complicated if you're a developer and to access the middleware. If you specifically need the cross-chain RPC product, then yeah, this is probably
something that you're familiar with. Most users, most blockchain developers, they don't really need
so many different vendors. They would be happy to get a one-stop shop, just like they have on AWS or Amazon.
So we really took the Amazon model or the cloud model and the Stripe model and really merged them together.
Other than getting access to the middleware, you also get access to a very robust ecosystem that is live for the last five years.
robust ecosystem that is live for the last five years.
And the biggest challenge right now is to take all of those integrations
and start migrating them to the new chain.
So the new chain is going to be launched in parallel with the older one,
and we will basically incentivize people to switch.
We recently deployed the testnet
with the help of Quicknode.
You can actually access it here.
We're going to push some updates here in the next few days,
but here you can get access to the faucet.
Also, we're about to introduce a small game
that will help stress test the new network.
We're rolling this out in the next few days.
You can enter your wallet address,
get some testnet tokens,
and start playing with the chain.
One of the things that we really are eager to do
is incentivize people to to switch so there's three different types of users on fuse so we have the
the operators which are projects that that are building on fuse you can check this out if you
You can check this out if you go to our case study page.
You can see some examples in Thailand, in Africa.
We have ticketing products and events and also restaurants.
And this is a really cool product that I urge you to download.
I can send the link later.
If you live in Southeast Asia, this is actually something you can use
and it's completely non-custodial and it has a lot of merchants and games that you can spend crypto
locally in southeast asia uh specifically right now in thailand but it's supposed to be all all
across the asia pacific area and this product is uh is, I'll share the link afterwards, this is an operator, an example
of an operator that runs, so this is the first type of user and those users are going to migrate
manually, we're going to talk with them one by one. Second type of user is a developer, so we offer
is a developer so we offer a pretty big prize not prize well for a grant pool and
we're seeking applications that will win a location and so basically want to
incentivize people to migrate and and a grants program.
And the third type of user is the personal investor
or the personal developer, somebody that holds Fuse
and we will incentivize them to migrate
from the old Fuse to the new Fuse.
It's gonna be a one-to-one migration
with a small incentive for people that log for more time.
You can check out our console.
This is the product that I'm showing you.
And currently, since we're only with the testnet
and mainnet is not ready yet,
we don't have this migration option, but once we will have the mainnet is not ready yet, we don't have this migration option,
but once we will have the mainnet live,
we will offer users to move from the old chain
to the new chain,
very similar to the Phantom Sonic migration
that was done a few months ago.
So I'll pause here and see if there's any questions
before I move on.
I had a quick background about Fuse.
We talked a bit about why we chose L2,
and why we chose Quicknode, and why we're using ZKVM.
And last thing, about the migration. Yeah.
So, Mark, do you want to share a little bit about the DA layer
or the data availability layer?
What was the thought process and basically just technical process
and technical choices behind choosing a data availability
layer and choosing a specific data availability provider after that.
And like you already said this, but just to be confirmed, once the mainnet is live, you
will have a migration tool live and people would just be able to migrate their contracts
or redeploy their contracts without changing anything in their code because the new chain being a ZKEVM chain, there are very minor or few opcode changes, right?
So what about those? Will the migration tool handle those or people will have to handle those
manually? So this is a great question.
I think the two main concerns with...
So if we wanted to migrate to optimism, we would probably do it a long time ago.
There's a lot of support.
It's pretty widely adopted.
I think ZK rollups in this cycle are where optimistic rollups were in last cycle.
And it's very important to understand that it's not something one company can build.
Unlike optimistic rollups, ZK rollups is an ecosystem upgrade. It's a system-wide upgrade it's a bit like uh how proof of stake replaced proof of work
you have like a big ecosystem around proof of work you have a big ecosystem now around proof
of stake uh proof of stake uh what didn't exist until 2020 something you know on ethereum it was proof of work um people don't realize how new it is
and already we have something newer i'm not saying it's exactly the same thing but it's kind of
similar in terms that you require a node operators to switch you require chains and ecosystems to
switch you need hardware special hardware and the biggest biggest challenge is if you want to, like most users will encounter ZK through bridging,
and it's a real big problem to,
if bridges don't exist yet, to have a mainnet,
because then once new bridges would launch,
if you want to support them natively,
you need to redeploy your chain.
It's very complicated and risky to bet too early on the wrong player.
And it's a bit like a lot of projects like us in 2019 chose other ecosystems that today are dead.
Like EOS, for instance.
In 2019, EOS raised
much more money than ethereum and it felt like it's gonna win I'm happy we chose ethereum but
it's a it's a cautionary tale it always need to to pick correctly so that was a big issue with us
like how do we pick correctly I think the opcodes issue is the minor issue the
biggest issue is really uh do we have a roll up as a service support like do do they have an
ecosystem around them are there any other uh players you know that that use this and can can
provide support like infrastructure uh providers uh and infrastructure providers. And this boils down to two players, ZKStack and Polygon.
Those are the two players.
We chose to use a DA, LDA.
First of all, we needed the Validium,
because Validium can scale to Visa scale, because we want to be a blockchain for businesses, an alternative to Visa.
We need to be at least on par with the Visa scalability.
So the reason we chose Avail because, first of all, they're part of the the polygon ecosystem and and they support
uh cdk we also chose radius for mev we chose uh you guys uh we did a lot of like uh research on
who are the best in class but also it was really important for us to get people that that are um
strategic partners of polygon kind of aligned on the vision.
We wanna be the B2B hub for the Agler.
And I think building a blockchain that has stable coins
doesn't mean necessarily that your audience,
your customer is a merchant.
Merchants, the way they use crypto,
they just go to Solana, put an address there,
get paid in USDC, and then cash out through Coinbase. This is how payments work in Web3.
When you say Web3 payments, this is roughly what you mean. At Fuse, we want to retain those
merchants. We don't want them to leave. We don't't want to go away so what does it mean we need to have a good business model like really
strong unit economics like real understanding of what should be the fee because fees in blockchains
uh they need to have a equilibrium at least theoretically uh need to make sense
yeah so they need to be high enough so people
don't spare you and low enough so people don't
fork you and also they
couldn't be
too expensive because people can spin up
their own app chain. It's a one
click
deployment. You need to give value
outside of what you're building.
A network effect it's called.
So it's also good to bring a lot of players together with you.
Avail has an insanely big and strong community.
I would say Avail is the Ethereum version of...
Sorry.
Yeah, but I meant to say um um
it's the it's the ethereum version of celestia i i i forgot that
um so it's basically the the the ethereum or polygon friendly version of Celestia. Celestia is cosmos based and it's really, really impressive,
had really impressive growth.
I think because roll ups are modular and because this space
starts to be a little bit more practical in the problems
that we need to solve, Av avail has a lot more to offer
than just the da but even only the da it gives us a lot of value chip transactions interoperability
uh we also use avail tech to to improve the economics of the chain so it used to be uh
It used to be $300 a month to run a node with the L1.
With the L2, it went down to $15 thanks to Avail.
So people don't look at the big picture of what it means to run a network.
I think we had one of the most experienced team in the space,
being a network operator for the last five and a half years, really
understanding the pains and pros and cons.
And I think running, like, who should be your validator, how governance should work, how work? How do we enable more B2B activity? Because in the end of the day, this is not supposed
to be consumer-facing. Contrary to popular belief, blockchains should not be consumer-facing.
Just like when users use Stripe, they don't choose to use Stripe. They never choose to use Shopify. They never choose to use even Uber.
You know, if you're coming to a country
and this is the only option, you will use Uber.
Usually a lot of those choices are made for the customer.
So we're not really pushing a consumer facing product here.
And the considerations should be really really different
so that that's i think the the highlight of the talk understood yeah i mean i very much and so
much agree with your point where blockchains should not be consumer facing it should not be
their choice to use it where i always talk about this whenever someone asks me
this question that when do you think blockchain has made it or when do you think ethereum has
made it similar questions but when do you think blockchain as a tech has made it so i always give
them or i always say them that i envision a scenario where a day-to-day user like my mom or dad or my friends
who are non-technical who are not into crypto or who are not in technical backgrounds when whenever
they are using their daily consumer apps and those apps are powered by blockchain but they don't even
know they are just using it like normal apps I think that will be the time or that will be the that will those will be the days when we can say
yes crypto has like finally made it but still we will have long way to go but i think that during
that time we can be saying comfortably that yes crypto has made it or blockchain as a tech has made it 100 percent
I also think that that this is there are signs that you you can see I know it's a bit abstract
but I think developers they think in abstract like it's natural for developers to to think
in abstract way and if you look at the different cycles,
because I've been in the space for the last 12 years,
this is not my first or second company
that is doing payments.
But I never thought we need to build a blockchain
for payments.
Like maybe at the beginning,
we advertise it as a blockchain for payments
because there was not a lot of other blockchains.
But I think gaming blockchain also needs payments.
A gambling blockchain also needs payments.
Payments is not really a vertical, right?
It's not a specific idea.
Finance, payments, those are very general concepts.
DeFi is also very general.
I think what we see in this cycle, signs that
we're getting in the right direction, in my opinion, why I'm bullish, because if we compare
it with the last cycle, we see a big difference in narratives. Like we had a lot of discussion
about ideas in the last 10 years since Bitcoin was born about on-chain IPOs and different ideas like NFTs and stablecoins
and lending and like decentralized lending and over collateralized lending and things like
crypto insurance, like with Nexus Mutual, concentrated liquidity with Univ3.
A lot of the stuff we had in DeFi
was very, very speculative on paper.
Like stable coins was something
that Vitalik originally pitched.
DAOs is something that Vitalik originally pitched.
It was a proof of concept for many years.
And I think the last cycle proved on all those ideas
that they have product market fit maybe
the only product market fit that we see in crypto is all those ideas under the defi umbrella right
so perpetuals are are very big magnet uh lending is a very big market it doesn't even require
any price action it always has activity it always has usage stable coins are
growing and definitely have demand and product market fit what i see in this cycle is that
people stop talking about specific ideas it's it's all starting to be techniques that incorporate
any other legos so we we we thought about the Legos two cycles ago, we
validated those ideas last cycle. This cycle we're thinking how to combine
everything. So we're starting to think about abstraction, chain abstraction,
account abstraction, intents, which is another way of saying like interoperability and abstraction,
bundlers, sequencers, scaling with this technique or scaling with that technique,
doesn't really matter. We're really thinking about combining those things together.
I think people are right that we've built too much infra we don't have any more
scaling issues we don't have any I don't think we have any technical issues
anymore we just don't have enough demand businesses don't use blockchains and
consumers they start they they stay away who that live investors whether they're uh small or big uh this is what's driving this space and i think
it needs a really i know it's it's it's not nice to say but you need a really strong bear market
to to put things back on track in my opinion because we did build overbuild some of the infra
um so what fuse is trying to do is not to rethink
or reinvent the wheel.
We just understand that ZK is probably going to be
in the roadmap for every big chain.
It's already there.
This is why we chose like this category
and Polygon is just a really good partner
and we're really happy and we went
for a quick note because we always had trouble with running our infrared scale and we need
professional operators. It's not like our community can compete with Amazon. I think our community can
build really amazing stuff. Some people in our community should be node operators
and others should have different roles.
I don't think that you need a million validators to run Fuse.
So we don't try to replace Ethereum.
We don't try to be more decentralized than Ethereum.
We want to be somewhere between Ethereum and Visa,
a sweet spot in the middle.
Got it. Yeah, I mean, you said a really good point somewhere between Ethereum and Visa, a sweet spot in the middle.
Got it.
Yeah, I mean, you said a really good point,
or you mentioned a really good point that right now,
people are not even talking about any new cycle,
like NFTs or DAOs or stablecoins.
Exactly. They are very much focusing on concepts and tech,
which I think, in a way is really good but they people have just gone
ahead of themselves by creating too much uh too much tech where we don't even have
people to use where all of them are just i mean each ecosystem is just running behind and is just trying to get the mind share of that
single small group of developers rather than growing that group of developers which i think
you are focusing on you are focusing on getting getting those uh big businesses into blockchain because you talk about you talk about being the visa of blockchain
where you envision processing transactions at scale and that's possible by bringing those
bigger partners bigger players on chain absolutely and i i also think that if we
zoom out a bit and and look at what people are building and exciting stuff in the space, I think it's definitely you start to get more hopeful because somewhere you can see that the technological, like, it's really hard to explain how things are moving fast in a perspective of a decade and how they move slow
in a perspective of like a year right so when you look at a decade you say okay let 10 years ago
my previous startup had to spend all of its runway at least for the first year, to build and explore. And today you get to explore one click out of the box.
So it's really hopeful.
Like things that were really impossible to imagine suddenly get almost trivial.
And unfortunately, we're still not in a place where everything is easy
and everything is fast and everything works really well.
But I do think we're trying to solve problems for the 1% instead of the 99%.
Like very common issues like interoperability. Interoperability is only a pain for the
very few million of people that know how to access Metamask. And I think it reached the glass ceiling.
It's not gonna grow from this usage anymore.
It's growing the past year from institutions
that pouring money into it through MPC products.
But I think MetaMask has reached a glass ceiling
and extensions reached the glass ceiling
and teaching people to use,
to use then writing like 12 words on paper, reach the glass ceiling.
I think this is not the future.
I don't think the future is people using ledgers and stuff like that.
The future is biometrics. The future is using your phone instead of cash.
And I think the institutions understand it the smart money understand it
and the developers unfortunately i think they're really uh um in too in love with the idea of
building rebuilding the financial system uh but i think it's not the case you know you do want to use your your money
in the world you don't want to be building castles in the sky and you know
inventing money that you can only use there in your fantasy that's not that's
not the objective real world asset this narrative I think's one of the strongest in this cycle.
But you can see that it's not completely different than DIPIN.
They have an overlap.
It's not completely different from account abstraction.
It's not completely separated from ZK.
So my point is that the narratives that we have today are pretty much all overlapping and they have uh like um they have i think another we have another cycle
before blockchain will go fully under the hood and fully transparent because this is what I understand from looking at
a perspective of a decade. Yeah, that's a very good and interesting point of view you said.
And I think we as an industry should not be hating the traditional tech or the tech which is already out there.
Instead, we should be working with it
to bring blockchain to masses.
For example, as you said,
we already have those biometrics
and everything in our day-to-day devices.
For example, Apple.
Apple already has this wallet access platform, right?
Where you can, I think, where you can technically
integrate your wallets and your creds will still stay on your local device. That's what happens
with all your Apple biometrics and your wallet cards and everything, right? So yeah, maybe I think I understand.
Like, I think that Apple is doing, like, how do I phrase this? Let's say, again, I have a philosophical answer because I think that we talked about this exactly, about trusted execution computing
or trusted execution environment, TEE,
this idea that we can have this on the phone.
So Apple actually worked on it for, I think, 10 years ago.
So that was already planned.
There's a lot of crypto magic on this hardware.
But the problem with the issue with
apple is that nobody really knows what's under the hood it's not really open source and it's kind of
boring so nobody's like it's not something that will get headlines you know apple released some
new crypto uh you know a feature like 10 years ago the The problem we have with crypto is that when people say Bitcoin or say Ethereum,
they mean three things.
They mean a network, a technology, and a currency.
It's not always that you need the currency to use the network.
You not necessarily need the network to use the technology, right?
So private blockchains forked Ethereum shamelessly.
Did it qualify as using ethereum maybe not but it was using a theory of technology so I
think until people realize that you could use a theory on technology even
when using Solana you know the way the way I see Solana is basically vertical
integration of ethereum ideas without all the Ethereum legacy.
That's basically Solana.
I would say probably that technology, when it's talked about, it's usually sexy and it's not working yet.
and it's not working yet uh things like ai for instance those are like technologies that didn't
find uh didn't find sustainable revenue yet um this is why we talk about it when everybody you
know first everybody talk about it nobody's doing it and then everybody's doing it and nobody's talking about it and then crypto
becomes really boring because it's really a it's a game for math with kids but I shouldn't pour
money on something that some math kid created I think the days of a single person team are long gone uh the days of uh of developer-led uh product um
we see much more product-led teams it's used to be developer-led teams uh we see the space
maturing and that means only one thing that means that the technology needs to get under the hood and nobody should even mention it because nobody knows what algorithm google use or uses and nobody cares
all the big companies all the big tech innovated on ux if you go one by one google apple microsoft
windows you know i all of those innovations were all about user experience. They were never about
the tech. They were never about the algorithms. It's more how they interact with the real world.
So this is what we're trying to do at Fuse. 100%. And once the space is mature enough,
even developers don't care about what's under the hood. For example, now when you are developing something, you just, for example, if you are a node developer or JS or TS developer, you
just install a library via doing NPM or PNPM. You don't care what's under the hood of the
library. You just care that it works and it gets your thing done. It gets you from A to
B or it gets you a certain result. A lot of time,
you don't care what's under the hood until obviously you get errors and then you have to
fix compatibility issues. But most of the time, you don't care what that library does under the
hood or what the tech it's working on. Which I think was the point you were trying to make. Yeah, absolutely.
And with AI, it's even worse.
Then you have no interaction with the code, really.
Yeah.
No direct interaction, yeah.
No, 100%. I couldn't agree more.
So, yeah, Mark, I mean, that was a very good conversation i think but on the ending note i think
our audience will also be interested and i am also interested to hear from you what do you
envision the future of the amber chain you already mentioned the what you think the chain will be and how you want to operate it or how
you want the community to operate it but what will be the step one and step two towards that
to bring on towards bringing that mass adoption or towards bringing that visa like volume on chain
yeah so i think if you can share some them. I'm sure you won't be able
to share a lot of it, but yeah. So we're changing, we're doing quite a lot of changes. So first of
all, a five-year-old chain, we need to refresh our tokenomics. We cut our inflation to zero.
We changed the tokenomics. So it's incentivizing people to migrate to the new chain.
We're going to keep the old chain alive and it's very resilient.
It's very easy to run.
We want the community to decide what to do with it.
We think it's a good thing to have like an experimental, sexy new L2 and a stable, resilient L1, and have them in parallel for a while,
just for the transition period makes total sense.
Once we migrate, we're starting to get new players
on the new chain because the new chain has easier,
I would say, it's an easier way to get things
like Aave, Morpho,
like DeFi protocols that would otherwise have trouble to launch.
We also might have alternatives.
We have the graph on the old chain and Stargate.
Maybe we'll have new players on the new chain.
on the new chain. This is why we launched the BuilderGrants program. One of the things that
This is why we launched the BuilderGrants program.
I really believe in is that every VM needs to have DeFi and Bootstrap liquidity. So that's
the plan to focus on in the next few months. Before you have liquidity, businesses will
never use it. And this goes for any type of blockchain and any type
of customer. You don't really have anything to do with an EVM if it has no liquidity. So first
thing is to bootstrap liquidity, migrate everything to the new chain, get new players there,
relaunch the token. So we have a pretty busy year.
token so we have we have a pretty busy year and we are here to support it and excited to partner with
you on up and you and the team on upcoming initiatives upcoming campaigns whatever
we have planned for the future and mark do we have a tentative i won't say date but a tentative, I won't say date, but a tentative period around which you think
the team will be launching the mainnet?
So it's a really good question.
It's, I don't think it's, it's depending on us.
That's unfortunately the case.
Like you don't want to rush it, but we'll probably need to, to redeploy the testnet one more time
because we're testing Avail and we're testing a lot of other stuff.
We're testing our Lite client,
the new client that we want the validators to run.
Those things need to work before mainnet,
and we can't really rush it.
So unfortunately, my guess is May.
My guess is May, but it's also depending on what we do.
Got it.
And yeah, I mean, I'm sure the team will make sure
to launch it as soon as possible.
But as you said, there needs to be a lot of due diligence.
There needs to be a lot of battle testing
so that the users or the end users,
whoever will be using the chain, which will be developers, again, will have the best possible experience
and they get a finished and robust product.
Yeah. Also, I think when we launch the new product,
we're going to deploy our flagship product on it,
which is really, I would say, our superpower is building account abstraction on mobile.
You need an L2 for this because you can really abstract away a lot of stuff
that wouldn't otherwise be possible.
You don't want to just sponsor transactions.
This is not enough.
You need the full stack solution.
If you really want to
do vertical integration, you need to own the entire stack. Unfortunately, there's no other way.
You can't really say, okay, I'll build the base layer and 30 different companies will build the
stack and somehow the experience will be good. So in the real world, we need to really think from the customer to the business to the info
info provider the entire stack needs to be needs to make sense and then we can bundle all of it
and create a good experience and this is what we want to showcase on the new amber chain
so look forward like one of the first things we're going to do is deploy a demo that will show the
power of this chain it's not
about speed it's really about everything working together and the the unit economics of a transaction
but also the the user experience everything has a kind of like a common thread yeah that makes sense
That makes sense.
So, yeah, I mean, we will keep,
we will like, I think people should keep an eye
on the announcements.
They should follow Fuse on Twitter.
They should follow QuickNode on Twitter,
Twitter where Fuse will be sharing all the latest updates
and all the latest upcoming details about mainnet.
So yeah, Mark, thank you so much for explaining what the network is and what
was the ideology behind this new network and now i will open up the stage for anyone in the audience
who has any questions so if you have any questions just drop them in the comment section below and I will pass on those questions to Mark.
So Mark, what usually happens is whenever we are doing these live streams, people usually don't have those questions because they are just watching it and might not have those questions. this on YouTube as a normal video. During that time, we get some questions and if that happens,
and if we get a few questions during that time, we will pass it on to you so that you can answer
them and we can take those answers and post it on their questions in the comment section whenever
it's uploaded on YouTube. Of course. I'll happy to please uh ask away everything you have
on your mind i'll try my best to answer that person yeah
that's it yeah that's it and i am not seeing any questions right now because, I mean, you were obviously so comprehensive about everything. So I don't think people will have anything.
Yeah, it was kind of long, less technical, but I think maybe it'll have later. Mostly I've been all over the place. Hope it wasn't too scattered. No, no. It was a very good
explanation, I think, which did clear a lot of things around what was the main ideology behind
this new chain. And because the thing is that people will create chains, they will talk about all the technical details.
So we have this thing, we have that thing.
But the thing is, at least 10 other chains will have those same tech stack and same new things.
That's my problem because I don't want to... to like i i know that explaining the difference between zk stack and zk sync sorry the key stack
and and polygons cdk is almost impossible uh the the they did something that it it sounds like
like it's a project that was born within a project because they both work on Ethereum, they both run EVM. It's almost the same client.
So I, so you start to think, okay,
this has like a better developer experience in deployment,
but then if you wanna,
you add your problem with the EVM compatibility.
I don't wanna say stuff like this
because they're relevant to a specific point in time.
Like, I don't think those are
issues that are big enough to choose or not choose polygon, you know, specific opcodes and stuff like
that. Anyway, it's more interesting like to talk about why we chose something or what was the trade-off? Yeah, yeah, but I think people also
really enjoy talking, like hearing about why the same, where you explain that
you do, we don't, we are done catering the end users. We don't want to cater to end users. I mean,
of course you want to, but not the day-to-day
users you want to bring in the institutions you want to bring in those bigger users where you can
get the actual volume and that chain can actually process like great volumes like visa
so i think that like for like if you can onboard all of Thailand, I would be happy, right?
And I don't need them to know what is Fuse.
I just need to find somebody that does the operational side.
They don't need to handle the tech side.
That's really how I see it.
Not everyone can build his own blockchain or should build his own blockchain.
That's basically the thinking.
100%.
And I really like that ideology.
So I think, Mark, there's no question as of this moment.
But if we have any questions or if we get any questions in the future,
I will make sure to forward them to you.
Sure.
Okay.
Thank you so much, Mark, for coming in and speaking about
Amber. And I hope we will do this more in the future with maybe Polygon team and maybe Avail
team once we have the mainnet live. So we will definitely do a bigger stream with the Fuse team,
with QuickNode team, with Polygon and Avail stream once the mainnet is there.
And I'll show you how the experience looks on mobile
because this is like the real, like showing the stuff
on the phone, like just plugging it in,
is really like the aha moment because you're saying,
OK, that's web 2.
But you explained how you made it non-custodial.
I think this is the real magic because you
need to be very, very technical to understand
how to build this.
We want to make it easy for any developer to build stuff
like that.
100%.
And I think our audience will be very much interested in that.
So let's do that.
Perfect.
Thanks, Sahil.
Thank you, Mark.
Talk soon.
Bye bye.
