Hey, welcome. I'm just setting up the space now, treating out and feel free to request, helping up on stage and should be joining us soon.
I'm great. It's great to hear from you. Can I ask who just said that? Sorry, I'm doing the whole, you know, host adding everyone up. So yeah, it's gelani from these I wrote.
Hey, Jalani. How's it going? Spent it. How are you?
It's going great actually. I feel like today's such a nice day. I feel like the air quality wear amounts a lot better than normal so they rain yesterday.
It's snowing but it's still somewhat warm so it's a good day as well.
snowing. Yeah I'm up and down to that so we have a still snow on the ground. I see I see well I hope that at least your warm inside and yeah no I haven't I haven't moved in a place with snow in
like so many years. I feel like I've been wanting I haven't I went to see some snow back when I was living in California. I went to like Tahoe and I definitely feel like I had that first experience that children have when they first see snow and then I realized how to
dangerous it is to try to drive down from like Tahoe while it's snowing. Yeah, it's very good in like short bursts but it gets old very quickly. It was like sense of wonder and then complete an utter fear.
I'm just letting people chat. But yeah, hi everyone. So, you know, this is recorded so you can always listen after the fact. But if you want to retweet it out, that'll be great.
And we, I think we have almost everybody here. Side commons can request up. I'm not sure if you already requested or which account you're coming in from, but just request and we'll accept you up. And yeah, we'll get started.
I'll introduce myself really quick. I'm head of community over at Wonder and my name is Anne, pronouns are they them. I'm excited for the space because I love science. People know I actually have a degree in chemistry worked in the chemical industry and biotech industry for a number of years.
So, you know, this is just reminds me of what I was doing for a long time. And I'm just so happy that in Web 3, I have the opportunity to still maintain that part of my past. But we're going to start with just introductions. I'm a police say the name of who's behind the account.
and just tell us a bit about your organization. So we'll start with Web 3 Women in Science. Yeah, hi. Can you hear me? Okay. This is Ariela. Yes. Great. I just wanted to make sure there's construction on my floor.
in labs. So there's like construction workers yelling and begging things like 10 feet away from me. So I just want to make sure that was not hampering the mic. But yeah, so I'm Ariela. I'm behind the Web 3 Women in Science account by day. I'm an MDPA
HD Candidate. So that's why I'm in lab right now. And I'm pleased to be here today and talk more about Web 3 and Science and Decentralized Science and answer any questions you all have about the work that we do or other work going on in the space. Thank you.
Awesome. Also, um, Si Commons, I think you're requesting, but it's not coming up. If you're trying on your computer, I'm not sure it'll work. Get through on the phone. Um, but yeah, hopefully we can get you up here. Um, so you can chat with us. Let's go over to Frontier Down.
Hey, everybody. Great to be here with this wonderful group of peers. And always nice to join. Yeah, you guys at Wonderverse. Hey, shout out to Andrew. I see him as a listener here.
And Juniper, I think, was that you opened up the space and I, and anyway, so Frontier Dau is we've got kind of three verticals that we've been focused on.
And that is energy, but specifically fusion energy and space, specifically technology transfer for space as it can adapt to a range of different things, but there's actually a lot of
and that brings us to the final one, climate solutions, which is the thread that pulls that all together because both can be very much applied to climate tech and climate solutions. So really looking forward to
talking on D.C.I. and open science with everybody today. Thank you for inviting and inviting us. And this is Paige, by the way. Amazing. Thank you Paige. I'm the area. So we're going over to D.C.I. world and
The side comments are restarting the phone so hopefully they'll come up in a second. These I will go ahead.
So hey everybody, I was talking to Judy earlier, but this is Jolani behind the B.C.I. World Kindle, so I'm a neuro immunologist by training. Used to work in biotech for a few years and then just was jaded from academia during my PhD and got data from the biotech sphere during my time there.
and jump kind of headfirst into DSI and trying to make science more equitable, accessible, and open to all participants, both scientists, as well as, you know, laymen or what we traditionally call laymen. So at DSI World, DSI World is an information aggregation and social engagement hub for the DSI space.
want to serve as that social layer to help onboard and facilitate maneuvering throughout the D size space. There are so many amazing projects, many of which are going to be here, right, page from front to there are Ariela, webbrewman in science and the science commons initiative. And I think what we showcase here is that we have projects that focus on like
tech and actual applications and then we have social impact movement within the scientific ground like web, through human and science and science, communication as well through science, common, initiative and sometimes it's difficult to keep a prize of the hundred or so projects that have already launched and there's going to be an explosion of them as
time moves on. And so we've kind of taken that responsibility upon ourselves to provide a directory for people to learn about these amazing products, these amazing communities, and help them grow as well. So that's the E-FOS at the East Side World. And so we're here, and I'm very happy to be here to talk about East Side as well.
Amazing. Yeah, like I would love for us honestly to start with and also Science Commons is trying to get out but the connection is not working unfortunately but hopefully the goodness again. I think I just wanted to start with
You know what like as you kind of mentioned this a bit Jolani just like you know kind of feeling jaded feeling like you know academia wasn't inclusive enough it wasn't really pushing the frontiers of you know understanding and thought in a lot of ways and I felt that
way, which is what the reason I left chemistry, because I was just, I felt like I was wasting my time in a lot of ways. So I love us to start there and say kind of like, you know, what are our critiques of kind of traditional science and, you know, what was our passion in kind of exploring
alternative methods of practicing the scientific process. So I'll start with area one and then we'll go around. Sure, well, I consider myself, I guess I would say a moderate, that's what people tell me. So I position it a little less as like an alternative to traditional science.
or like, oh, science is broken. Like, I tend to shy away from that language in favor of more like, I am excited to explore options for innovating science and, you know, bridging gaps between
traditional science worlds and other worlds that we have, you know, especially the light public. I love that. Jealini brought up science communication. Like I'm really passionate about that. And that's what first got me into into D size. So I had made a name for myself with science writing and illustration and I was
recruited to a Dow to help with some of the messaging there and outreach on the communications side. And so that was how I initially got it supposed to this. And I think that's also what I really like about the decentralized science movement. The most is the ethos of trying to
bring together both traditionally trained scientists and other people who are maybe interested in science, but it's not their whole life or career at least not in a traditional way because I just think it's really a shame the way that for so
many reasons, there seems to be a huge disconnect between the general public and the quote unquote "scientific community" and it causes a lot of problems in the world and is also just sad because as someone who really loves science, I want everyone else to love science too and not feel
like it's other or have like an adversarial relationship with, you know, the like scientific institutions. So I see it less as, I mean, I'm a PhD student. I'm super jaded too, so I could complain about science for a while, but I would
say that's not as much my reason for getting into this. It's for me it's more about opening up community and bringing lots of different types of people together. Awesome and let's go over to page.
Thank you. And yeah, those are great, great comments. I think it's great to be an evangelist but not to be like overboard with it. I would have to agree on that point. So I'm not a PhD and I will never
be of CHC though, I have just so much admiration for people who actually go that route because I know it's a long haul to put it mildly. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so#
The fifth pillar of -- or for us, at Clinton does -- kind of the fifth pillar of what we see as on top of the forming pillars of open science, which is transparency, accessibility,
and reproducibility. And so what we see is that the blockchain is kind of like how we see how we see this evolution is that it's technology meeting this movement of open science. So there's so many
great intentions of making science more open, more collaborative, shared, especially to underdeveloped economies and researchers. But unless there are the tools and the systems architecture in place, how are we
actually going to achieve that. I mean, like really boots on the ground. How are we going to implement this? And so that's how we feel. That's where we recognize that the blockchain technology can really provide a lot of those solutions, especially where it comes to traceability
and transparency. So that's, let me stop there because I think I can go on and on. No, I love that. Also, our friend at Cyan Initiative for psychomans is struggling to get up, unfortunately. So hopefully
they can figure it out or they can figure it out, but I just want to update people on that. But yeah, I love what everyone said. I think, like, ultimately, when we're telling you about science, depending on the subject, but generally, these things are quite complicated. And I think part of the
know, reason people have to go to get a PhD and train for years on end is that it's that complicated to understand something. But I don't think that that gives us a scientist the right to pretend that like we are special or that, you know, people shouldn't be inclined
included in the process of discovering our world. So like, you know, I just think about college and how like, you know, or go was a wheat out class and how that is such a shame to our populace that, you know, we view science as this thing that isn't uplifting or
kind of compelling to understand our natural world, but a weed out, right, to get rid of the weeds and to, you know, kind of validate who's smart and who's not. So I kind of want to, the first question I have is really welcome to introduce ourselves
a bit is, you know, how can DSI, and you mentioned a little bit of Sun Frontier, so I'll share this question to you first, but, you know, how does DSI alter the public's relationship with science? And I know you mentioned blockchain technology. So I just wanted you to kind of dive into that question a bit more.
>> Sure. Thank you. I would say, and I would say probably initially it adds to the confusion because I think a lot of people are already struggling to try to figure out what blockchain is and the immediate thought is
crypto. So they need it that is, oh, you're going to make digital money out of science. And so then you kind of have to sort of back pedal a bit and go, no, no, it's more for the utility or at least equally as much for the utility. And this is why. And then you can kind of show how the black
you are publishing your research as IPNFTs, for example, you know, you can track it. You have the persistence, I, identifiers that we in the blockchain world call, you know, a happy, you know, transaction has is right or smart.
smart contract addresses that can act as persistent identifiers. So there's just so many ways. And I think that's actually where we're at right now is trying to translate the different vernacular
So that we're all on the same page and so that we do realize that we are speaking the same language. We're just maybe using different terminology and also, you know, we're coming at it from different camps if you will. I mean, I'm definitely coming from this from an entrepreneurial
Let's commercialize science and that's because I started this whole adventure by licensing some technology from NASA and trying to figure out how to get it through R&D, how do I get it through testing value, you know that kind of
which I think is as it's a different position to come to decide from than somebody who's working in a lab, for example, or purely psychome, but it's just a valid because I mean if you don't commercialize the break, you're
It's just going to sit on a shelf somewhere. So yeah, let me let me let me let me let someone else have a chance to talk. Thank you Paige. Let's go to let's go to Gilawni if you have anything. Also you can raise your hand if your thoughts and I'll call I just like to have a bit be a bit more ordered but Gilawni go ahead and
Well, I actually wanted to touch on the previous point and I wanted to iterate that I'm much like Ariela. I kind of sit in the mode in the modular realm. I don't think science is inherently broken, but I think the paradigm with which we we utilize science and science is implicit has reached its end. It's reached its limit and now it's starting to get
bastard eyes is people try to push and push further at that boundary that's been created. And so what I think DSI and what my envision of DSI is and page touches upon this on the utility stack and the tech site that underlies it is creating a parallel system that allows people to pop in and out and move between these two right science right now.
Now, tends to sit at a polar spectrum or in a polar format, right? You either have academic or you have Institutional, farma corporate science and if you notice it, if you look at academia, it's starting to push further and further into that corporate realm, even at that level.
bring in a lot of problems. What I think science should actually do, as with many other things, is it just sit on a spectrum whereby you can do basic research for the case of doing basic research and that drives innovation. And you can also have profit, a purpose over profit, sorry, profit over purpose science that is ultimately what you
need to bring in a lot of books to facilitate science. And I think if we have these two paradigms kind of sitting within the realm, they can actually feed forward into each other and kind of bring forth the science that the innovation that we need and you know kind of allow us to not have as many burnedouts in the space from scientists, from
academics from researchers, from those who are not standing at the top. And it also allows for science to kind of have this mosaic breadth of innovation and ideology that can actually bring forth the innovation. Right. If you look at the studies that are coming out, we know of sciences, we have a replication crisis. We know we have an innovation crisis, right.
you're having much, much less disruptive science. There's a reason for this. This is not just happened. And I think that as an extension of the open science movement, which in my opinion is a great movement, but was pigeon held because it was stuck in this profit over purpose system, what do you say? And hopefully through leveraging not just blockchain, because I just want
to make the statement that these sites exist beyond just the application of blockchain. But by pulling these texts together, it allows for like a revamping or reenergizing of that creativity in the system that allows us to bring back that innovation and to kind of solve, or at least put us in a better position to have a much healthier scientific paradigm.
Ariel, anything any thoughts? Yeah, I mean so many thoughts I grew so much with all these points and everything John has been saying. So I want to touch on thank you for bringing up like the role of blockchain and we had an interesting
happened in Denver. I was moderating a panel on 2D-SY or not 2D this side. Sorry, the jackhammer is starting up again. Hopefully you can still hear me. But I pulled the audience and the panelists like is blockchain necessary for D-SY? Is blockchain sufficient?
for DSI. So, meaning like if you have a project that does not use blockchain technology or run on crypto or like, you know, align themselves with Web 3, any of that, but it is a decentralized internet-based community of people doing
science like is that desi even if it is nothing to do with blockchain or crypto or web 3 and on the flip side if you have any project at all that has something to do with crypto web 3 and something to do with science is that automatically desi and you know so if you have like a for profit
company that's not decentralized at all, but it's like we are providing a blockchain-based service to scientists. Like, is that desi? And I mean pretty much everybody there more, it was more or less agreeing like no, like blockchain is not necessary for desi and blockchain is not sufficient
for D.S.I. and I thought it was really interesting because we were all sitting there gathered literally at ETH Denver, like ETH Denver as our location for the D.S.I. conference and yet we all agreed that blockchain is neither necessary nor sufficient for D.S.I. so that was a really
interesting moment and I feel like we should reflect on that as a space and consider maybe having desi conferences that are independent of like ETH or crypto NFT conferences if that is indeed not really the point like maybe have them as adjuncts to some academic conference or open science conference and
I would love for people to kind of take that and run with it, but I just wanted to make that point that there's a lot of different definitions depending on who you ask of what decentralized science means. And I personally, so just my two senses, I agree with the audience there. I don't think it's not necessarily
necessary or sufficient. You know, one of my favorite examples of decentralized science is a non-web through the organization that I worked with called the Global Rheumatology Alliance. And this was a completely organic community of rheumatologists and patients with rheumatic diseases. If you're not familiar with that, that's all there
diseases like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis who came together during the pandemic and saw a problem and we were all talking about it on Twitter and then it became a big slack hub and eventually it expanded to a group of about 500 members that was scientists, doctors, patients, patients,
advocates, people who are just interested in helping and it was really important because we were addressing these big problems that came with COVID getting bad scenes when you have an autoimmune. I'll keep it really short so I know this is the point but like for the record if you have an autoimmune disease the new bad scenes can be very complicated because
Because do you go off of your immunosuppressants, like the immunosuppressants that you're taking, going to impact your response to the vaccine, is the vaccine itself going to give you an extreme immune response and complicate your condition? So it was so new and people had so many questions and weren't sure if or how to get vaccinated.
And so we did all this research and all these surveys and published like 30 papers and also published lay summaries of those papers, you know, with scientists and journalists working together, you know, all for a common goal. And so that had nothing to do with Web 3 and it's one of my favorite examples of these
I'm not going to be a socialized science. So I'll stop talking now. But yeah, just wanted to throw that out there. So I think you have it's really important where I think Web 3 is about course blockchain technology, but I think it's become a community/movement of people who
have critiques of how things work. So I think it has become an umbrella. I don't know how, I mean, there's probably we could look at the history of it, but I don't know how we got from, you know, decentralized database, blockchain technology, public distributed ledger, whatever
We've got from those technologies to other people who are trying to be disruptive of more centralized understandings of things, but I think that's what's happened. We're all in this space together and we're linked by this kind of
of more like it's not linked by the technology per se, it's more linked by a perspective. And I think that that perspective though is still important. And I think that Web 3 is ground zero of that like cultural movement of saying, hey, like maybe we kind of got the
this elitism thing wrong. Maybe we got like how we perceive each other wrong. Like maybe there's some larger cultural moment for science, right? And I had felt this way a lot when I was a chemist where I was like, I felt that I, you know, I mean, I think that part of it was, you know, science was in my passion or like being
in lab was my passion, but another piece of it was it felt inhuman in a lot of ways. I felt like I couldn't exist authentically as myself and show many different facets within my roles as a chemist. So I think there's a humanity in Web 3 that oftentimes signs
ignore whether that be through academia or through industry. And I think that's a large cultural critique of like US or like kind of centralized power frameworks. But I'm not sure if anyone has any additional thoughts on that. I can move on to the next question, but like I kind of want to stew in this for a bit.
I agree with you. I think, you know, with the exception, and I really would like to recommend everybody go check out Arrella and her science firm. She is a fantastic artist. She does a lot of great work. She communicates science very, very well. But I think overall scientists are really bad with PR on average. And you can actually
So if anybody goes to the DSI discord or to the vast majority of them, they're very technical heavy. There's nothing like D5, there's nothing like NFC. There is no fun degenerate culture, which is good to
certain extent, we have to kind of taper that, but it's also all the way on the other end of the spectrum. And this is kind of why, and I don't want to, so this is why we've approached it from the social standing because we think a culture needs to form in this space, and it will form organically, like we're talking about these sides, if it's of equivalent
And you know, age as the other ones, it's very, very new, very, very new and most people are building. So only recently in the last couple of months are we having actual proof of concept tools that people can actually leverage to facilitate their scientific endeavor. Up until that point, it was a lot of theory crafting. And so, you know, a lot of poop-poing of the ideas.
And now we're starting to have practical, you know, tangible assets that we can leverage to push things forward. So I think this is really going to be the point, the point forward where we can start to bring in participants. But in doing so, we need to create and solve for the issues, the cultural issues that exist.
So I'm not trying to push this, you know, because not a DI example, but to your point, I very much understand you as a black person as a black man representation is key, then there's not a lot of that. So be having to code switch in a lab, having to code switch in your day to day as it relates to how you want to communicate.
science and all these kind of things, it weighs on you. And so there's all these things that I think Web3 can bring to the scientific tradition on the emerging scientific realm that can help alleviate some of that pressure to make people want to spend more time and make it easier for them to feel comfortable and therefore in
And not to take away from the profit, I agree. You know, page brings up a good point. You don't want to just have signs there and then it doesn't lead to necessarily an end product because you can't get, you know, people are not interested in it or things get shelved and whatnot. So it's kind of the merging of both and that's what I would like to see.
Yeah, I have thoughts, but I want to get some space for a page and area. I love you have any thoughts on that.
Yeah, sir. Great, great points to me by both Delani and Ariella and YouTube. Of course, you know, inclusivity. I wanted to, you know, touch on that because I was hearing, I was hearing that from you and, and, you know, I think
The main difficulty is one of the biggest points of both open science and decentralized science. And I think in open science it's because it's part of it sort of manifesto or not sort of it is part of it manifesto. And then with decentralized science I think it's just part of the tooling.
And there's a lot of, and it's still a huge debate. I mean, all of this is a big conversation that we're all having and thankfully so in the whole space. But if somebody is sort of behind a decentralized identity and
you're not quite sure who they are but their work is brilliant. Because the work is going to have to speak for itself, especially if you're publishing on chain or presenting for peer review, but doing it anonymously, it kind of poses some
very interesting scenarios in the sense of like, you know, what if that, you know, a 16 year old kid, you know, at a high school, you know, somewhere in, I don't know, you know, name your underdeveloped country, right? Or an underserved neighborhood in the United
And yet if the work speaks for itself, then that inherently allows for inclusivity. And I think that's one of the things that I really embrace about this is that it's going to have to -- it's just -- it's mandate that
that good work shines through because of this whole permissionless culture. You don't have to ask somebody's permission to get your work out there. That's what we're striving towards. That's one of the things I do really appreciate about this. I'd call it an evolution.
Yeah, I think for me, I think about like, you know, to your point, um, Gellani about professionalism and how I view a lot of, you know, US professionalism is chendental to kind of like a very oppressive system, whether that be, you know, light supremacy or patriarchy or whatever. And for me, I think
about how that is a hindrance to science, right? Like somebody's understanding of a chemical process has nothing to do with them being like, you know, saying, oh, that's based, right? Oh, that reaction's based, right? Saying that is not a commentary on, you know, what that person
And I think online spaces and by proxy web three spaces, they require people to look at merit over delivery in some ways, right? Like if someone has like a pepe the frog has their PFP and they're, you know, giving some really, really profound mathematical equation for a DeFi protocol.
Who cares? If they are using internet lingo, who cares? There's a point where science professionalism is getting in the way of scientific progress. But I saw Jolani, your hand popped up, we'll go to you and then we'll go to Ariel.
Yeah, so I understand I understand that and to a certain extent I do agree with that I think with science a little bit different because there are like the crux of science is to convey information in the most concise way possible I think we need to have a little bit more flexibility with that but I think there does need to be somewhat of a
structure. Now what professionalism looks like, I don't know. It needs to shift a little bit from here. So we can't have it just all willy-nilly internet jargon necessarily, but I think we do need to add a layer of breath to incorporate an individual's culture into how they want to portray science. I think another example
of this or a perfect example of this is the language. Science is predominantly English, right? And we're still in this day and age have issues with the translation and incorporating and communicating science even a particular paper across a variety of languages. And that's unfortunate because it
So I think there's a lot of things beyond just necessarily vernacular but still fit within that ethos.
of creating a culture that is more inclusive to science, that I think Web 3 as a space can do and hopefully DSI can kind of help support. Ariel again. Yeah, I have a few different thoughts. I'll try to keep it short. I definitely agree with
the all the dates on professionalism. So I I hate like the status quo professionalism in traditional academia, you know, and at school, I think it's pretty clear that it's professionalism is just what would in 1950s cis-hat white
do do and look like and if you're not that then it's like oh it's unprofessional and I just think that that is wrong and not helpful. That said on the other side of things I think in Web 3 everyone's experiences
are different and there's lots of different pockets of Web 3. I would say from my personal experiences I do not see crypto as a paragon of diversity and inclusivity that is not my experience and that is definitely not why I'm here personally. If it was I would be doing something very wrong with my
I do want to just return to a point I made earlier about when I was all like blockchain is not necessary or sufficient, you know, and I didn't really touch on the other side of that, you know, the use case for Web 3 and blockchain as a part of that.
So I didn't mean to imply that I was not in favor of incorporating Web 3 or blockchain or didn't think it up merit. And I want to just add that I think that it's really special that we have this new community forming that has people from so
different backgrounds and importantly, you know, this is bringing new human capital and new capital capital, you know, in the form of crypto capital, to the idea of developing innovation and science. And I think it's really funny the way that lay people might be
you academics as people that just sit around and think about things all the time and like maybe that's how it was in like the 1800s. I don't know, but I wish it was more like that. I think people we do need time to just like sit around and think about things and come up with new ideas and the problem is actually we don't do that. Like I don't
anyone else in that video feels but I'm pretty sure if it's similar to me we just feel like we're running on this treadmill of like experiments and grants and papers and all this paperwork and you know just go go go with the status quo and there's
not like time and there's definitely not sponsored time to sit around and develop innovations. So I think an important role of Web 3 is people who are willing to set aside, you know, time, energy and money to think through these issues and develop open science
concepts that actually employ incentives to get them off the ground better. So yeah, so I just wanted to qualify some of those things I said and agree with a lot of the other points that have come out. Yeah, I think ultimately like my definition of like web so my definition of like what I'm doing here is like internet stuff.
And when I say internet, I mean web 2 plus web 3, I don't think all things need blockchain technology. Right. I think that would be a silly assertion. But I think the internet is revolutionizing science in a lot of ways to kind of further like I think about
like you know Khan Academy is a great example like it's free and they have videos and you can learn whatever you want to learn right and it goes up to certain point of course you know you can't you know do you know you know like I don't know computational chemistry through Khan Academy but it definitely has a great found
for people just interested in getting started. So I think the kind of question about Web 3 and D-Sci that I want to explore in the last few minutes with you guys is the relationship between ownership and scientific knowledge and how Web 3 might disrupt that process.
Okay, so I think that is going to be a point of contention because ownership in different scientific realms is inherently different, right? So patenting a drug or patenting an ideology in or a theory or a
a practical notion or whatever in a different field is very very different. So I think there's going to be, as is always the case in the D or not to be or what we talked about previously, there's going to be an expression of what that means. I don't know what three is going to be the way to settle ownership.
necessarily necessarily, at least not in the current iteration because what it does is it opens up of vast majority of people with the liabilities. And so, you know, part of the, part of the commentary, the pushback commentary on things like IPNFTs and NFTs for IP in any form is that what is the legal
And it's a very important thing to do.
They can allow scientists to provide a breadth of leveraging opportunities for scientists. Whether it be something like you publish in a decentralized database that then a participant, a third party for that is owned by a doubt. The database itself, not the
But the database itself is owned by the Dow, which it can then license out that information to third party pharmaceuticals or whatever have you and then that Those those that investment can they go back into fund funding more Dow operations. So the collective communities operations
I think that's an interesting endeavor. I think what Web 3 again was going to do is going to allow scientists to leverage more of their individual assets and their day to day and provide them with alternative sources of if not financial revenue, but value that they can then leverage to get other gains, right? I think we need to start moving away from
this reputation-based world, this reputation-based realm, right? Science is suffering from good-harts law. When the measure becomes a target in no longer is a good measure, we've shifted from reputation being the after or the representation of good science to being the actual point with which
are trying to achieve, and that's what's causing science to stagnate. If we can leverage Web3 such as an individual, whether you have a PhD like me or ariela or don't have a PhD like page, but is clearly qualified in her ability to run a Dow and contribute to science, that should be sufficient.
WebView allows us to market to make that more tangible, whether it be through verifiable credentials or participating in a down-to-community. I think that's really where the importance of WebView and DSI is going to bring to helping science before. Go ahead, Ariel. We'll go to page.
So I agree with Jolani completely and I just wanted to add two things. Well one, just quick correction. I do not have a PhD yet. It is in progress. Hopefully we'll come back. And I wanted to add, for my personal experience,
I don't know that ownership has really changed, but I would say back to another one of Jolani's points about the Web 3 system being more about being able to pop in and out of different projects and try new things personally. I've found that to be very helpful and
educational for me. And so I think that while it might not change fundamentally at this point, change how ownership works in science, at least it might give people who don't normally have a chance to interact and educate each other, more opportunities to interact and educate each other.
I've been able to learn a little bit about how industry works and intellectual property and science and all of that sort of thing from my time in a Dow and I don't know how else I would have done that because it's pretty hard to just sign up to
moonlight as a graduate student at a biotech startup. I don't know how I would do that. I think it's really valuable from an education and then bringing people together standpoint. Also, it might have been illegal or against policy for me to do that.
because academia has all these fun rules like when you're a grad student you can't be legally employed anywhere else. And even beyond when you're a grad student you get more freedom but like there's still a cap like one of my friend, Susan professor just got in trouble because his like consulting earnings reached
above the cap the university had set for faculty like they're not allowed to make more money than that for them consulting for some reason. I don't know. It's really bizarre and they need to stop doing that I think. But yeah, so sorry that was a little rambly but experience and education is my answer. Page, go ahead.
Yeah, no really interesting points made by all the speakers. To Delandes Point, we're recognized in 2021 as legal property in the UK.
As far as I know, I don't think that has yet been educated in the United States, but the United States does often follow legal precedent set by the UK. So I guess that remains to be seen as NFTs and digital assets will be seen as we
legal property in the United States. So that's an interesting thing for us all to keep our eyes on. In terms of ownership, I love this question. As you may or may not know, we launched Frontier Registry, which is an
We launched it in January. It's a publishing protocol for scientific and engineering research to be published on chain. It's just an alpha. It's a modest release, but it is a release.
I had a great job to build it. And the underlying premise of that is, again, I'm going to have to refer back to my experience licensing that work, that technology from NASA, which was a great experience. It really opened my eyes to the abundance
technology that is at everybody's fingertips. I mean, I don't, you don't have to be special to license this technology. You have to jump through the hoops and sign on the dotted line, excuse me. But, you know, in that experience, I had to, I
I had the privilege of interfacing with the original engineer and the technology was actually called farming in space. So it was actually basically vertical urban farming that uses very little water and very little electricity.
And in my conversations throughout the licensing process with the original research or the original engineer, I started to realize that he, okay, he has a great job. I mean, he worked at NASA. He's had a great career. So there's no, there's no disputing that.
But he will not receive anything if that technology gets commercialized. So as a licensure, if my company goes on to me $10 million or name your number, he's not going to get a percentage of that.
And in the legal contracts, NASA would get a very small, like a tiny, a minuscule percentage, that's part of the licensing agreement. But the original creator of the IP gets absolutely nothing. And that made me realize that there was a real lack of a line incentive.
Why then is that person motivated to make their work available? I think you can be selfless for only so long and then when you get into your late 50s or early 60s and you're looking at retirement, you're kind of like going, "Well, okay.
my pension really because you know my pension really going to be enough of enough payment for all the blood sweat and tears I put into my long career. So I think I look at it more like a you know again I look at it from an entrepreneurial point of view and I just very just in my gut I really feel that ownership
collaboration and incentivize innovation. That's really just that's how I feel and I think it's up to us to make sure that these original researchers get a piece of the pie. Yeah, so we're in last 10 minutes. If people want to
asking questions in the audience, feel free to come up. Also, people listening to recording back, you can always feel free to comment under the post and someone from the Wonder account will comment or answer that question. But I think something that I think a lot about is I think my passions comes more
from the consumer side of how do we get people to believe in the scientific process? How do we get people to understand what everybody's doing behind in their little labs? I feel like there's quite this mystique. Whenever I'd be like, oh I'm a chemist, they'd be like, oh what do you do? And I always found myself like, okay,
Okay, well how do I kind of bring somebody into this rather than saying, oh you wouldn't understand, right? Which can be quite dismissive and exclude people from this amazing work that members of humanity are doing. But go ahead, I really want to
I just wanted to agree with you enthusiastically and say, you know, if you think about the general public's interactions with science and academia, especially it's what, like, well, on the funding side, they pay taxes so they might think about how much the government is spending on
science when they pay taxes, maybe not the best interaction, and they don't really get to follow their tax money and see where it goes. It's too aggregated and then redistributed without any kind of director even very indirect input.
And I'm not saying that should change. I understand why it's set up that way, but I do like the idea of there being other systems that bring people a lot closer to it where you could invest some of your money, your time, and then see what actually happens and be more a part of the process.
Besides taxes, what are the other interactions? Maybe some news articles sifting through all this sensationalized or even misinformation or even just regular articles one day it's coffee is killing you but then the next day it's making you live longer.
It's so hard when it's going through a journalist who's trying to make it a headline. It's not the same as just picking some part of science, some niche to be invested in, whether that's emotionally or financially, and following it and understanding the process, not necessarily
necessarily down to like these are the steps for running a QPCR, but just understanding like, you know, all right, we're gonna fund an experiment and we're gonna see what happens with that experiment and maybe the results were unaccepted and that's okay. Like that's how science is, you know, most interesting sometimes and you know, what can
we do from there? How can we design the nets experiment? Like just sort of being able to follow a niche of science is not something that people really have access to right now. And I would love for people to have access to that. Yeah. I think that like that's super, a super powerful point. I think ultimately
I'm in for like Web 3 because I'm like a Web 3. I love Web 3. I think for me it's more, I think of like get coin and how you know funding desi through grants is like a really really meaningful way for the public to interact with something right. So saying you know and I thought of this idea just in the back of my head and maybe
path way or why this thing is happening. I think we just need to meet people where their understanding is. A lot of PhD science is so out of the round with people's understanding that an even industry science is like, if you have no clue what's going on, when I worked at a biotech company, if I tried to even explain
you know what I was doing it would just just what it worked but I think that that's we can't just leave members of our society behind in our understanding right we can't just like leave swaths of people to just kind of be like oh I don't get it but I guess it works that can only scale so far and I think we're seeing
that with anti-science hesitancy or anti-science ideology within the populace. It's because we left people behind. I think we have to take their responsibility of that in a lot of ways and say what are better systems. I think Web 3 can be an interesting system of, "Okay, well, we can use this economic mode to help
fun science and help you know independent people answer questions that they're interested in. It could be a question that was already answered in science but it can be a person who then helps educate people about how does the science wisest valid what's the data look like and all that gets up but yeah Giovanni you had your you unmuted
Yeah, for sure. So I don't want to
Okay, so this is going to be a small shield, but the point is to leverage it to something else. So yes, I agree with you. I think things like get coin are great, but they're very large and they're very much focused on like complete projects, right? It doesn't really tailor yourself to helping to fund just somebody and I
academic, somebody like Ariela who is doing basic research, those significant research that you might just think this is a great idea. I like to learn more, but I also like to like to tip her. How do you tip scientists? I think DeFi and Web3 does allow for that. There has yet to be a platform that I think really just does that. What that does is it addresses
How do you fund basic research? How do you fund sciences of public good? So we are tackling this in one way. Our selves were building out a peer-to-peer marketplace that is going to allow for peer-to-peer research to happen. So if you have a scientific question, you can put up a bounty for a scientist qualified,
by scientists to tackle this. And there will be milestones set in such that there's an actual procedure and you can follow it along and the data can be committed to a variety of different open source platforms that are being developed by DSI in the DSI space. We're all looking to incorporate all of that into one. So that's one endeavor. On the other hand,
We also believe that beyond the getcoins and beyond the IPNFTs and actually investing in a particular DAO, there are a variety of DeFi protocols and DeFi tools that sit like for example, I am grateful where you can subscribe to a project and you can give them essentially a live stream
of subscriptions so they can get cash as the second or they can get their subscription fees by the second and I can help do that. You can do that for a project, you can also do that for a person for their research. And so we, well we've very recently started to realize that there's very much a divide between people's understanding of what desi can do
and what D5 can do. A lot of participants in D5 have no idea what DSI is and a lot of participants in DSI don't really know what's available to them in the D5 space. Our core team and the variety of our networks, we kind of sit the bridge between D5 and DSI and want to help bring these capabilities to the DSI realm.
So, in the next couple of months, we'll be launching some of these endeavors. So, projects that are on our dashboard, people who are out there, can be able to capitalize on this and get small amounts. These are like micro micro micro grants. But it helps. Every little bit helps. And how do we fund public resources? How do we sign?
How do we fund science of the public? I think that's the kind of way that it's going to be. And so I'm looking forward to see other endeavors like this coming up and if there are other ideas, feel free to reach out to us. But exactly that. I think there are a lot of utilities that we can do to fund science, not science that is going to give rise to an actual product that you can then master.
But just science as this is a great idea. I like this idea. I'm a patient population. I really can speak to this. I'm a patient population that is, you know, affected by rheumatoid arthritis or whatever thing. And I'd like to get invested beyond necessarily financials into the research that may potentially help me. That may not be being funded by governments or large
entities because the return investment or risk profile is too high. This is the kind of opportunity that inside provides. Amazing. I'll let Ariel and Paige go for closing thoughts. I just want to say my closing thoughts are just I love science, right? I love I
just love it. And for me, I felt let down by science in my scientific career. So, you know, you could always talk about just being me as an individual, but, you know, I think that there's something larger there, systemically, that needs to be fixed. And I do think that
you know, the critique of profit motive and the critique of ownership are really important ones in trying to figure out how we further the understanding of our natural world and understanding how we maximize, you know, human health and prosperity and joy through that pursuit. But yeah, Arianna, we'll let you do closing thoughts and we'll go over to page.
All right, first of all, it's not you. Science and PhDs can be super demoralizing. I know mine has been so much depression and anxiety all the time. I think that feeling crappy is like such a basic part of being a PhD student that it's just
like widely accepted even though it shouldn't be. So it's not you. I also wanted to say, Jolani, I'm so excited to hear more about this tipping scientists plan, have so many questions, but I'm really, I'm really
I can't ask all my questions now, but I'm so curious to hear more about how that works, how it interfaces with official funding from grants and getting it a PO number and all of that. I'm closing, I love participating in this space.
really great conversations. I realized that I didn't naturally say anything yet about Web 3 Women in Science like super duper briefly. It is very straightforward. It's exactly what it sounds like it is organization for women in science in Web 3 and decentralized
science, like whatever that means to you, we're pretty open to anything. And we started out as like a communication and like awareness hub and right now what we're focusing on mainly is we're getting this research paper out on the demographics of decentralized
science conferences and some action items there for diversity and inclusion. And we also are officially, we officially have an LLC so we can start doing fun things like having a regular bank account to buy things that don't accept crypto. And that's where that's where
where we are with latest developments. So yeah, check us out. We have a discord, we have a telegram. You know, where, where, where, anyone's welcome. Oh, and it's not just for women. That's the other thing I always have to remember to say. Anyone is welcome. The whole point is that you support the concept of women in science.
doing things in Web 3. We have team members who are not women. You don't have to be a woman to join. Thank you very much. Thank you so much and Paige and I know Jolani if you have last thoughts you can go to but I was counting your last statement as well. But Jolani, let us know if you want to say anything else.
Hey, thanks. I want to thank you very much for and wonderful for holding this space for us. It's great to meet up and have these conversations. I want to applaud to every single person in the DSI and Open Science space.
It's the work in progress, right? And we're just kind of like blindly feeling our way along trying to create this new world. And everybody is showing up really passionately and with great conviction and just really using their best ideas.
and putting, you know, really putting their best foot forward, the best of themselves forward. And I just want to say I'm very grateful for all of that and I'm very grateful to be a part of the conversation. And just one final thought, Al-Harkin-Tanasa because we're a space-seen Tao.
And NASA says, you know, as we're putting people on the moon, we need all kinds of people. We can't just have engineers, we can't just have aerospace engineers on the moon. We have to have people who can also, you know,
fix the rovers and also maybe prepare a nice meal. You know what I mean? And I kind of feel that that's sort of, I'd like to leave that as a parting thought for DSI as we create this design open science and we create this new world. You know, Jalani mentioned that scientists aren't necessarily the best
VR people and so maybe allowing for a lot of different types of talent and people showing up authentically as themselves with a passion for science and engineering. I'd love to see that world continue to be created. Awesome. Do you have any closing thoughts?
Yeah, so really quickly. Thank you everybody. Thank you, Wonderverse for having a son. I'd like to, you know, in tone everything that are you know and page said, this is a great space coming in help us build. Let it be the change in science that you want to see in science. That's what we're here for. That's what the space is here for. I just like to say that Friday,
having a discussion, you'll see it ping up from the desirophandle, but it is via desi peaks. We're going to have a big discussion on diversity, equity, and inclusion in desi in science. And this goes beyond just the normal, you know, cultural gender perspectives, but also the disciplines that
different kind of science that should be represented or that can and should be represented in D-Saxle. That is going to be an initiative off of D-Sypeaks. So stay tuned for that. It's going to be a live streamed on YouTube, on Twitter. Anybody is welcome to join. We do have two guest speakers, but all are open to chime in in the chat and then we'll bring you up a
as well if you have questions and comments there. So keep an eye out for that. And again, thank you all for having us here. Amazing. Yeah, I really appreciate it. I'm really excited that I can slow science in my life as a part of Web 3. And I'm excited to support DSI as, you know, how to keep
you get wonder, but also just as a person who has a chemistry degree sitting on the show. And you know, it's getting an associate's in math soon for fun disease. Yeah, so great talking everybody and Juniper, you can close the space. Thanks, thanks everybody. Have a great rest of your day.