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Awesome! Let me get started. John, hi, and one of the founders here at HyperMain. Answer myself. You know, I've been in crypto for a little while now and I became really enamored throughout 2017.
Wow, I was a bond trader family. That led me to becoming an investor in the crypto space through a number of funds. Most recently led the
investment team at Galaxy and after kind of three years of doing that we started Hyperlane which has been quite a fun ride over a year and a half now and yeah not in probably the dumbest person on the team not an engineer bike raid but I'm still
still having fun all the while. And I'd say to someone who is going to be set through this idea of connecting chains, specifically letting anyone connect any chain, and that's kind of what led me to the group of really smart people starting Hyperland.
So, I mean, you know, Nick, do you want to go next? Yeah, sure. Can you, can you give me? Okay. Yes, perfect. Cool. Yeah. So Nick, though, the CEO of Fuel Labs, yeah, I started in crypto, a little earlier than 2017. So for me, 2013, initially,
started with mining, but then you know started to want to build things on a very early kind of Ethereum and initially it was Bitcoin moved over to Ethereum and you know basically been an early community member, probably one of the first people to really use solid
and try to build apps on Ethereum. It's been four years working with consensus, doing apps in infrastructure there. And then left consensus to basically address some bigger issues in the space that we're coming up, which was
along the lines of scaling, DevX and UX, and you know, started fuel in 2019. And yeah, I'm kind of growing it ever since. You know, in terms of fuel, I guess we can go over that later, but yeah, let's bid back on on me.
I don't know how you feel about mining today, but I am not a fan. Yeah, I mean, I have operations. I hate it. So I would never do it again.
It's funny how so many of us like got involved with it. I think initially it was really exciting, but I did. It was very hot in my basement. They're very hot. And the power bill was like 7,000 a month or something. And I had to go and you
Usually I'd have to go in there with no clothes because I just started sweating through them to maintain all the rigs. And then basically I started to read the mining code and I felt the same way. I was like, this code is not really producing what I had thought it was producing.
I thought it was doing something a lot more interesting and I'm actually sort of reading, you know, the mining algorithms and then actually taking a look at how the consensus is to work and stuff. I was like, "Okay, well, this should be different." Yeah. So, I think they're really nice. Yeah. 'Cause they were at least talking about room of stake.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was crazy. We did it. So I was doing it in my parents' house in Los Angeles in the garage where the AC doesn't hit. I don't know what the hell I was thinking, but I was running 36 GPUs in that small room and I was living, not in, I wasn't living in
that have. They just had solar panels, so I thought I'm, you know, some financial wizard. It was the dumbest thing ever, ran it for a year. It kept turning off every day during the summer. Yeah, the good thing was about it was like, it really forced you to learn how like the consensus rules work. But
Yeah, I can. No, I am not happy about starting off as a minor except that I can rationalize. I mean, like, why don't you learn about blockchain more? Well, it's funny to hear about your trial and tribulations. Sorry. Would probably love to get the introduction from God King.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. So yeah, I'm here. I'm one of the founders of Yamma. And I had a much less conventional start to crypto. I started off being like investor on buying a smart chain, rotating from chain to chain. So that experience just really
brought a focus on infrastructure in particular when you spend all day bringing back and forth from harmony to AVAX from AVAX to Ethereum and so on so forth. You kind of learn to appreciate good pieces of tech that actually work and don't get exploited. So I think the focus on infrastructure was kind of always
President for me in Kaliath, who's on the Yama Finance Twitter account right now. But yeah, we're really excited about fuel and hyperlain. We think synergy there really enables something truly special, which is why we're building on top of both. So yeah, great to be here.
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Just a mess around, I bought like half a Bitcoin in like around 2015 and then I sold it like after a year. I then didn't really touch the space until like back into getting a development in 2021 did a couple projects.
and Ft stuff, but I, some infrastructure stuff, I explored like every little part of, I guess, crypto development, found it interesting, and yeah, I think this is, I think you almost like the most high impact thing, so that's what we ended up doing.
Awesome, that was amazing introduction. I'm very happy about you guys telling us a little bit more like how hyperlite and Phil CEO has a lot of things in common such as mining rings. And I would love to hear a little bit more about like why
QL is expanding on the interoperability, but I think probably better question to start. This is telling us a little bit more about the fuel infrastructure, the fuel modular infrastructure, and then you can tell us make a little bit more
unlike the entire parability, said as well, unlike. Yeah, for sure. So just to kind of give a brief overview of the infrastructural side. So if you'll really comes out of a lot of learnings from a lot of different places in the space.
So particularly the learnings from what we've seen with the EDM and Ethereum, what we have seen with a lot of these newer chains as well. So I just want to move chains and things like that and really tries to expand on all of that work and give you a very well-balanced
system with sort of fantastic scalability properties, you know, transaction parallel execution, as well having a virtual machine that again really mediates between a machine that is both fraud-prooverable but also something that, you know, is a lot cleaner with a lot less
effects that we see in the EVM, things like self-destruct are not included. And then as well, our scaling focus has a huge sort of, there's a huge sort of target for modularity, which really means that we are planning for a future with many thousands
of fuel deployments in the world. And fuel is really something that helps to give each of those fuel roll-ups the maximum amount of throughput that they can get individually, but also can be a system that is easy to interoperate with.
So it's not just about building, I think in the modular space, but also just the blockchain space. It's not just about building a fast blockchain. It's also building one that can support really good interoperability, and bridging, and light clients. And so fuel really puts a huge effort in that across the way.
are systems constructed so that you can actually bridge fuel chains really, really easily. I think hyperlens are big pieces of that about getting into that in a second. But yeah, fuel has some really fantastic scalability properties and their ones that don't lose things like the clients and the
in terms of other infrastructure we have. So, fuel actually is a sort of vertically integrated system. So, we actually have our own language, our own toolchains, our own SDKs. We have all the kind of nice to have that you would want to see at the protocol level.
things like full stateless account abstraction and as well things like a transactional design that gives you lots of different kinds of native level options. So multiple witnesses, multiple inputs, multiple outputs, multiple currencies, multiple contracts and things like scripts all in the transaction model.
So you really have maximal flexibility as to the kinds of transactions you can design. And Sway is really meant to incorporate a lot of learnings and lessons we've learned from both Rust and Solidity. And it really gives you a well-balanced kind of language that mediates between the two. And I think the aim for Sway is to really be
the blockchain language for the entire space. I think a lot of these other teams trying to build a language effectively just want what sway is. And so we're hoping to support many different chains and backends for the language. It's not just a fuel thing, but something for the whole space. And yeah, lastly, I would just say that fuel
just has a big sort of a direction or we have a very strong focus towards you know both helping Ethereum out and providing our architectural to the Ethereum space but also providing the whole ecosystem, the whole blockchain ecosystem.
our kind of architecture in a way that will basically allow people to eventually probably in early next year be able to deploy many, many different fuel relapse with many different kinds of configurations. So that's kind of the maybe a little bit about fuel there.
and happy to go into HyperLand next if we need to do that. Yeah, I feel pretty calm, like HyperLand. Cool, so involved in the fuel infrastructure. Yeah, I would say for HyperLand, I mean, I think fuel and the whole ecosystem is like we're super excited about HyperLand and I think we've been looking
for a strong bridging interoperability partner that I think has a solid architecture and something that we know has allowed the properties that we're looking for in a system, particularly permissionless notes. And so, yeah,
I would just say that bridging an interoperability for the future of blockchain is going to be extremely important. We're going to see a world with more than just one chain or more than just one execution zone and we want to see a world where bridging between those zones is very seamless for users, very inexpensive.
and so even very fast. And so I think that, you know, hyperlain is really trying to crack that nut as best they can. So yeah, we're all very excited. I'll say from our side, you know, one thing about what you were saying about making sway kind of like a dominant and
useful language for other environments. We can tell you anecdotally we have a very talented group and very very experienced with Ethereum and when we asked them to start working on the fuel integration. It kind of fell in love with Sway to some extent.
was almost too much. They were just having so much fun working with it and learning about the intricacies of fuel that I can tell you that not ones were from our engineers basically was like, "Oh, this makes so much sense." And you know, the point you made about
Let's say like not having self-destruct. It feels so relevant like specifically today when you consider just how you know, what was it like less than a week ago where the presence of self-destruct in the EVM is basically what allowed the
the doubt exploit for the tornado cash folks with like that malicious governance attack. So it just like when when we like took a step back and we kind of looked at swayed fuel VM, you're like, "Ah, a lot of it makes a lot of sense." Like if you started
it over knowing, like if you rebuilt the theory of knowing everything you know today, it probably looks a lot more like what you've done with fuel. And so it feels so cool to just now see it like coming to fruition. So sorry, that was just like, you know, a little bit, uh, I had to kind of confirm some of the things you were saying.
Yeah, that's awesome to hear. Yeah, I would that happy to get into Hyperlane itself and give some background here for folks from the field side who this might be the first time they're hearing about it. So with Hyperlane, I was touching on this a little bit earlier, but
Our plan is our attempt to create the first permissionless interoperability layer. It is fueled by a unique security architecture, what we call our modular security stack. And we'll get into that, but it's really this form of modular security that
allows us to do all the special things that we do. And if there's like one thing you should take away from hyperlink, from this conversation, and so far as it pertains to hyperlink, is that like our mission is just to make it easy for anyone to connect any chain. You know, and the proof is kind of in the putting on that.
Recently, one of our, one of the apps that uses HyperLin, they were connecting between Ethereum and Moonbeam. Moonbeam, if you don't know it's a EVM-based parachain on Polkadot and they wanted to have connectivity with another parachain.
It's a normal year to think like okay cool like
They can just use the native communication mechanism with Polkadot that could use XCMP. But not only that was not workable for them, they wanted to use hyperlink because they found that it's a simpler interface for them. It makes it makes doing what they do so much easier while also maintaining the communications
with the theorem and the core team didn't have the bandwidth to support this other piracy in this case called the star. The damn team itself, they just took it into their own hands and now hyperlain exists on a star, people can communicate between it and the theorem and rune being
some other chains. And that is the work of a team that's not the hyperlain core team. So if today we live in a world where, you know, more than 80% of the hyperlain deployments are ones that were, you know, deployed and maintained by the hyperlain core team. And the rest are
by external teams hope that within a couple years that number is flipped in that the vast majority of hyperlink deployments have been deployed and are being maintained by external people because this is what being a professional system really means. Yeah, we could spend more
time going into what modular security gives us, how it works in practice, or how hyperline works. But I think in the interest of time, those are the core things to know about it. God King of Life would love to hear from you guys about Yamaha.
Yeah, sure. I can start off. Yeah, so basically just to sum up, Yama is effectively right now a lending protocol with the highest leverage in V5. So like we are a stable coin, we are a stable coin.
We're basically trying to build like the most efficient CDP. We're trying to build something that like, I guess, like, out to the end of the day.
And we want to build the most efficient equipment for infrastructure, and we want to build an army chain from the ground up to fill the gap left by USD. So that's what Yama is. And specifically about
like hyperlate and fuel. So you know the reason like one like the reason I guess we have been like pretty excited about both is that they're modular and that's pretty I guess important theme we like in crypto modular
because ultimately in the future you expect, like if you're bullish about the space that it is going to scale up and things are going to get more expensive if you stay on the same chain etc. So that's I guess like the most important like strong point about fuel and hyperlain with those like modular roll ups and modular bridges
We want to like just partner with the best people who do that. And because of that, we can actually scale up as ambitiously as we possibly can. Yeah, so that pretty much sums up for Yama.
It was awesome. Great. Can we expand more on the interoperability and why we decided to jump into this collaboration more?
Nick, I want to, as you mentioned, that fuel has been developed since 2019, and we believe it's slowly coming up on Maynard. Can you just give us a little more alpha on the development process?
How you guys are expecting to go live or just spell a little more insights on the development? For sure, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, it's sort of not totally fair to say 2019 because the first
sort of year and a half of fuel, you know, kind of middle 2019 to December 2020 was like fuel V1, which I think has become a meme in the roll-up and scalability space because it's still one of the only ones that I think it's the only roll-up still that is fully permissionless
with no multi-sigs and no upgrade keys. So we shipped that as our kind of first proven concept really in the space and that took up that first year really to lay out a lot of our ideas. And then the kind of period after that, so like from
I would say 2021, like January, onward was working on this much larger version of the system. And that expanding on all the ideas around the virtual machine and the language. In terms of, in terms of the virtual machine and the language,
terms of the current roadmap. Right now we have a few more betas to get through just until we can actually hit main nut. We do have a target for main nut this year. I don't want to describe when because that's maybe too much alpha, but we do have a target for this year.
The current configurations that we're looking at will be very similar to, I think, how optimism deployed initially. So you'd be looking at kind of a single sequencer with a bridge and likely some multi-sig controls in there for now.
And that will be grown out with fraud proving and then as well, you know, after that looking at decentralized sequencing. So that's kind of the trajectory. We'd like to ensure that fuel really has
are deep roots in our initial bridge in Ethereum. I think the Ethereum space is really what we're born out of. And that's kind of as well where it seems like all of the liquidity and deep activity really
really, really is. So, for us to be able to provide as much value to that community first thing is going to be really key. And then after that point, there's a bunch of different stages, particularly around data availability and the different layers that are available.
and then as well providing different deployment configuration options to many different systems. So these are things that are going to have them much later on. But yeah, that's what we're looking at for me, Ned, is, you know, a similar deployment to optimism. That makes sense.
So next up, Jen, like, can you expand like how the hyperlinks it's into the fuel road map and like how our development is if it's like ready?
for fuel and how that looks like from our side. Of course, from our side, the fuel development, or as I said, the development on fuel has been quite smooth. As I said,
engineering team as numerous times kind of commented as to how easy things were. And I'd say at this point things are ready to go once we get through those several sort of like beta test nets as
as Nick described. And so far as how does it fit, we really believe that the fuel VM is going to become one of the cornerstones of the modular future for blockchains. And like, I'd say pretty much everyone on this call, so certainly aligned in that.
And so with that, we want to be able to support everything that does
become a cornerstone of this future. So it was really imperative to be able to write and deploy Hyperlain anywhere where the fuel VM is the base.
As Nick said, right, the goal is for the field VM to become kind of
It's proliferating within many more rollups and then just one little funny thing I got a kick out of you saying the field he wanted became a meme because I swear I'm not making this up just last night. I was with a group of people
who are kind of making fun of, you know, they're all like good modular folks, but they were a little bit making fun about how like actual because they were talking about like the lack of fraud poofs and really how like most rollups are not permissible.
But yeah, in that as I explained the way that fuel fits into hyperlinks, or never simply because we believe that we can
even a modular future for blockchains, we want to be able to support interoperability between rollups and main nuts, and layer ones, and supporting the fuel VM in particular feels like imperative to achieve that goal.
can you tell us a little bit more online deep-fi on high-plane so we can sort of like bridge this conversation a little more towards Yama.
Of course, so at a high level you really think about what hyperlink does it just creates a connection mechanism between blockchains that then application developers can leverage to create a we call inner chain applications. So if you think of
the case of Yamaha and I'll let them really expand on this morgue as they could even do a much better job than myself. But if you're a DeFi app, you can now connect different deployments of your app between chains through HyperLin and you can have cross-chain function calls which
means that you could transfer assets, you could initiate deposits, initiate liquidations, verify the state of collateral. And so with hyperlain coming to fuel, it means that developers on fuel can connect with other chains where hyperlain is, and because of hyperlain's permission
nature. Wherever hyperlite is not already, if they want hyperlite to be there so that their fuel app can interact with that chain, they can take matters into their own hands and not be beholden to anybody else and really get this functionality for themselves. So that's kind of how it all fits in.
like a hell of a deep. For sure, I can just kind of start off. So I think, you know, our thesis is that, you know, as things progress, you know, apps are going to go multi-chain or omnichain and, you know, deployments on
single chains aren't frankly going to cut it. You know if you look at token bridges they've been pretty unwieldy and they've gotten exploited quite a bit. So you omni-chains, they look coins make a lot of sense. In the sense that you know you don't have to lock up tokens
and contracts and one chain or another have them sit there and basically be wait to get exploited. So we're pretty excited about that part as well as that. We're pretty excited from the aspect of that. Yamla can basically serve as a liquidity layer
across chains, especially in terms of fuel and other altos when you have the official bridge in which you need to wait maybe seven days or even more. You can basically use Yamato bridge back instantaneously, bypass
that official wait time. That's a pretty strong use case we're really excited about. As well as that traditional bridges you basically have to kind of wait for more liquidity to come through. Liyama it's basically like the same time
token across all chains, so there's really no need to wait for more and more people to kind of bridge over USDC, USDT, whatever, for pools to build up. You can use it day one, which is what we're really excited about. But yeah, can I see you have anything sad?
Yeah, not just anything really other than what we have said. Yeah, so basically we're excited because of that permissionless aspect, modularity, et cetera. It all goes into the same theme of scaling to as many users as possible.
One thing, what are your plans to bring liquidity on EM and bring the liquidity on interchange?
also touch points on this is you have something to say regarding liquidity on other chains and like in the chains liquidity
Yeah, that's a great question. So in particular for a fuels case, we've gotten some amazing integrations with some of the top ecosystem players like pull sharks and thunder and so on and so forth. So we're really excited about our collaborations there. We think that if we can really
create a flywheel of sorts. I give up some really attractive APIs. We can attract lenders. We don't really need liquidity pools. Just like token bridges do. Users can mince and burn it using hyperlain, which is what we're really excited about.
think that if we launch day one with these amazing ecosystem integrations, launch OmniChain, so it means users can bridge back and forth from Arbitrome, but basically zero slippage, and almost instantaneously we'll have a really attractive use case.
I think that should be it. Let me know if I miss anything. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, we want to get to a point where users don't have to worry about liquidity at all when dealing with different chains. It's just like, can Bridget see?
What are the biggest challenges when building interchange?
Yeah, I'm going to ask a question for you guys. OK, yeah, I guess I would say definitely the number one thing is security and like combined with security like consensus, decentralization and things like that, like just in general,
how the model is structured. Once you're dealing with different consensus zones, once you're dealing with different L1s or you're dealing with a bridge that's somewhat centralized, as we
seen recently that does sometimes cause issues. You want the bridge to be as resilient as possible. And honestly, the market hasn't really priced in bridge risk in the past.
that much, but like it is something that definitely needs to be like taken care of. And I think by far that is like the most important element. I think to a large extent, we want to I guess mitigate these risks by building on L2s.
just hopefully like having the consensus secured and like not be like subject interference. Like we don't want to deploy on like other ones with like consensus that isn't like economically like that.
secure. I think when it comes down to the bridge layer itself, the best way we can do that is have the actual bridge notes or whatever is validating these messages. Those must be economically aligned. The incentives
be aligned with the incentives of the protocol. And that's like a big part of like the sovereign consensus model with Hyperlane. Like the modularity like the ISM's we want. We're gonna most likely have in the future the like the I guess like the ISM for Yama in other words like the
the on-chain consensus layer to approve these messages. We're likely going to have it be something related to our protocol itself. Token holders, staking, token, or specific entities that have vested interest
So just in general, we want the security part to be as like secure as like we want to focus on security first and foremost. And I think the best part, the best way to do that is to build on like decentralized change strong consensus and make sure the incentives are aligned.
That was a wonderful advertisement for Hyperlite. We didn't ask them to do it. It was great. Another challenge that comes from Build the Interchain Systems is just
When you're building in crypto up until now, you've been building in a single chain context and it's always synchronous and it's always a topic and I think the first adaptation as you move to an interchange context, people in the cosmos world are much more used to this but outside of that.
they are into getting used to designing for asynchronous communication style versus like an always atomic always synchronous system is quite different now very optimistic that we'll get through this because almost all of the internet is built as an asynchronous system but certainly
You know, people who have been building an Ethereum for the last four or five years, it's an adjustment process to a synchronicity.
I'd also just add in terms of inter-chain or interoperability between chains that a huge struggle I think has been just the design and construction of block headers and how you can derive
the state of the system from these headers and unfortunately for many chains, particularly EBM chains, deriving that reality into your very tough. It's also very tough on some of these other newer chains as well. And I think that that particularly on an architecture
level is really a game changer when you have a header design that's really thoughtful for interoperability and for these kinds of problems because effectively it'd be nice to just share block headers, particularly
everything and derive the reality of each chain from just block headers. But unfortunately a lot of the header construction and it's deriving what the state of things are for different pieces of each of these blockchains is really, really tough. So, you know, that, that
We're causing a lot of problems, but it's something that with fuel we take very seriously. So our header design is very, very favorable to doing that kind of construction and as well aiding other bridges in that kind of messaging and construction.
So, when I was saying earlier, it really feels like if you look at fuel, you take a step back, like, "Oh, yeah, if you rebuilt the EVM today, it would look a lot closer like this because the EVM is originally being built
Well, certainly everyone thought that in Trump will be a thing that we needed, but I don't think it was appreciated how fast we'd need it, or how difficult it would be to actually jam upgrades to the event.
And so what are the security implications of high-applying? Can you touch base on the different items? It's very important to highlight
in this case that how Hyperlini's trying to execute this transfers and how the protocol design of Hyperlini plays the role in this case.
Of course, me happy to. So at a high level, it should probably just give you know a 20 second overview of what an ISM even is. And what an ISM is and the simplest terms, it's like what?
piece of logic would make me comfortable with some other message coming in, some type of instruction from another chain. Like how do I get comfortable with that?
Something coming off another check has Nick sent you know if we had this nice digestible blockhead or that could help us reason about What was happening on that other chain that would be amazing unfortunately many places we don't have that
So think of an ISM as the thing that wraps that type that wraps that and introduces some additional logic. So maybe you can do something more interested with it. And that interesting part is where the
The concept of different modules comes in. So at a high level, an ISM can wrap anything that you would use to feel comfortable about the state being communicated to you from another change.
And more interestingly, you can insert some logic in there to reason about it further. So different forms of logic, different modules for a nice
can take the form of something as simple as say a multi-sync or they can take the form of something more complex.
And that more complex thing can look like
an optimistic system where you bake in a time delay before a message is processed, a validator system where you can have economic security because now these validators are putting money on the
And that money is at risk in case that message that they're passing to you is deemed invalid. But those are the modules that you can expect to have from hyperlain kind of at the next few months and right off the bat here.
But longer term, like I said, hyperlain and its ISMs can wrap anything that you would want to treat as the way they get comfortable with the state key and communicate it from another
So wherever you have something closer to like a native verification system, like how, again, how Nick mentioned, hey, with fuel, you get these really, really nice block headers. So now that is
much that is much more akin to like a native verification system and instead of using something like an optimistic system you can just reason about that validator and maybe you have an easier light-client construction
to look into that. So hopefully that was a good overview of what ISM's are, which you can expect in the near term and what are the long term implications.
I would love to like, you know, as we are like going to wrap up very soon. I would love to like hear you guys like if you have any like hot takes on a modular and pair of
I like the interior part of the building in general And I would love to like hear if you guys have like any like kind of like hot tags or like kind of controversial takes Which would you like to share with the audience?
that stayed almost still at the end of these two spaces. And anyone can like jump in and that's sharing what it takes or ideas on the modular interoperability.
I was the unbiased, this is very much like talking our book, but I think my hottest take here is certainly that I think the concept of interoperability has often been neglected from the discussion as it pertains kind of at the modular future of blockchains.
Now, you hear a lot, a lot of talk about like, oh yeah, we're going to have this roll up center future. We're going to have dozens and dozens of roll ups. But it's very rare to hear people talk about like, well, how are they going to talk to each other? How is all of this going to make sense? And certainly people who are like practitioners.
in this are very aware of it, someone like Nick, folks at Cosmos, they're all very aware of it, and the role of providers are very aware of it. It kind of explains why High Fueling's permissionless interrupt really has been so popular with the role of providers, but that's still kind of
I'm looking at a white man or something right people just assume that they can all talk to each other and meanwhile people forget that as Nick kind of filled us in the beginning there's really only one permissionless roll of construction and that's fuel to be one so I'm not surprised that something like what I mentioned is still not well understood at all
Maybe does the M1 want to go for hot takes. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I guess I think I think obviously like the market underestimates the risk of certain bridges. I've said this before, but
Like, for instance, like wormhole is pretty centralized. Axler has good security, but it's like throughput is arguably limited because it's only one layer of consensus. And with like layer 0, you know,
The security is actually pretty good if you trust the nodes and they can't censor individual messages, but like the problem is they could shut down as a whole, especially if somebody's like trying to do something illegal with layer zero. That's that's certainly a risk. I think
I think the market is like it hasn't taken that risk into account because people are generally optimistic about interoperability and yeah it is it is certainly something that's pretty much necessary for the future but people got to think more about like specific individual
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I think my hot take might be a bit of a chill moment, but I think that fuel is the most interoperable execution layer that at least exists in the market now. And I think I think as the market develops
for a lot of these roll-ups and these different chains and bridging and interoperability becomes a lot nicer. I think that people will be looking at bridging very, very closely when they're analyzing what kinds of applications they're going to use and
where they're going to put their money. And I think that these problems are some of the holy grail problems trying to get blockchain. So talk with each other, trying to make that secure. But I think that fuel has the best
basically being the most interoperable because of the way we constructed the entirety of the system. And I think this is something that a lot of newer blockchains miss and as well what older blockchains have missed in terms of how they're how they're designed. So that would be
my semi-shillied hot take. No, it's not. It's not trillion. It's just like we work on these things back as we believe in them. Right, exactly. Just facts. Straight facts. But that's, you know, totally agree with you. It's why we felt such an imperative to be on fuel.
definitely. I fully agree with John that this is not a show. This is just supporting these amazing partnerships and very happy to support Phil as well as Yamaha. Whether that's in
In this partnership or on the Twitter spaces and in this ecosystem, we believe that this partnership can everyone in this modular interoperable ecosystem can definitely benefit from
This partnership and we are going to very soon wrap up. I'm wondering what's the best way to support the integration further, whether that's from fuel site, hyperline, or Yamazide, how we are.
Or do we have like anything we like people can expect from this collaboration for the future and like what are the implications of this collaboration? Anyone can grab the stage.
I would say from from our uncertainty expect for hyperlinka being with fuel right there on the day one of the minute. It kind of look for more you know bits of little alpha drops as that it comes. As I said
You can't give out everything just at once here. We've got to keep a few things in the bag. And I think you'll be hearing about more applications that will be leveraging Hyperlane to connect on fuel.
Yeah, I know on our side, I think yeah, we're definitely aiming to be on fuel day one with high plane for sure. We're still
looking into specific lateral types, specific strategy, but we are pretty sure that we are going to be there. Yeah, day one, and we're pretty excited about that.
Yeah, I would say on our side. Yeah, and I'd say in other ways that like if you
- Thank you. - And so you're good.
I think we all cut each other off. But as I was going to say, I think expect definitely
I think Hyperlame will certainly be ready. Yeah, we're all hoping Yam will be ready too. And yeah, I mean, expect a very fast and very different kind of blockchain experience.
experience from from fuel and as well one that can be fantastically bridged to other systems from hyperlay and and from from Yemma so very exciting on our side as well.
excited for this collaboration. I don't see any questions in the chat. Let me see. Not really. Also, Yamage is so free to propel you to your documentation of
medium is somebody from the community asking about that. But I'm pretty positive that we are relatively rough off these Twitter spaces. Not sure if anyone has anything else to share, but if not then.
Yeah, even one has like anything to share more. Feel free to grab a mic. Oh, I just want to say enough. Thank you. Thank you, Neh. Thank you, Goliath. Thank you, God, King. Thanks everyone for coming into the listen. We're super excited to make this happen. And it's just it's fun to be here. It's kind of
If we're all right, if our work is going to culminate in some massive expansion of crypto and crypto playing the role in the lives of many, many more people and have this civilization level change that we hope that it does.
Then it's really cool to be here at the start of a new chapter. I would say the introduction of the fuel, the fuel into production. That's definitely another chapter in the book. It's a new chapter in the book. It's really cool to be a part of it.
Awesome, yeah, I'll just say thanks, thanks everyone, thanks to Netper hosting and HyperLate and Yama. This was really great. Yeah.
Thank you everyone. See you again.
Thank you. Thank you. Have a great day.