Oh, yeah, this is a new AI song we found this one today. This is new AI one
I'll do one more and then we can we can jump straight into it. It's gonna be a shy steel to our space tonight, so
It also might be a bit shorter because I think might be getting activated later, but we
Don't even know what to play. I feel like everything feels empty now that Pepe exists
You know, why don't we do?
Now here we go, here we go, this is the
Dude it's all I'm just getting all AI shit now literally. It's all AI recommendations. There you go
With an antacid that starts working in seconds and then ask the producer that believes okay, okay
I can explain I can explain let me get the turn this down. What am I gonna skip premium?
Okay, now it's an Arby's commercial
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Feeling it's gonna be probably like a Pepe dominated night, but we'll see what we can do here
I do kind of look at the prices real quick before we get into everything
Also, did y'all know that coin market cap was owned by Binance? I just found that out recently. I
Guess a lot of other people knew that I did not know that a Bitcoin
29,500 up 0.6 percent aetherium is 1981 up for dude aetherium is up almost
5% and Bitcoin really hasn't moved today. That's actually kind of interesting B&B is 326
XRP 46 what's going on with the XRP doge hasn't really moved either
You would have thought doge would have moved during all this a salon at $22 and eighty cents
Manero, I kind of want to read about privacy coins tonight a little bit
I'm sure after you know, we'll run out of topics at some point and we'll go into that
I do want to just kind of learn how those work. It was the actual mechanism that allows them to be private
So for Manero, it was launched in 2014 and school is simple to allow transactions to take place privately and with anonymity
Even though it's commonly thought that BTC can conceal a person's identity
It's often easy to trace blah blah blah the team behind Manero says privacy and security are the biggest priorities
What makes Manero private is what I want to know
Users shouldn't view all privacy cryptocurrencies as interchangeable or equivalent services because they don't all achieve privacy the same way
For instance XMR should be considered a technology that when used properly obscures user date on the blockchain making it harder to find users
Yeah, Manero that the privacy coins are kind of interesting to me
I think this is I have no data to back this up
So this is a wild thought but I think in ten years five to ten years
People will start to put a much more of a focus on these privacy coins
After they realize what these surveillance chains can do like aetherium is essentially a surveillance chain
You know like we're adopting people to it. We're bringing people to it, but it just adds a significant amount of
You know being able to be monitored when using it they know everything you do they know where you go every transaction you make I mean fuck
You know they always say like you know we want everything to be on chain whatever whatever
I don't really agree with that
I know a lot of people don't but imagine if everything was on chain even the videos you watched online and
Then you know videos you watched when you're 16 or 18 or whatever it is
And it's just always a record of it or every restaurant you went to I don't know if I don't know if I like that
Let's bring some people yeah, feel free to request I'm gonna come up to
Let's see. I just want to know the mechanism. Okay, so it says Monero's key features are those around privacy and anonymity
Even though it's a public decentralized ledger all transaction details are obfuscated
This contrast to Bitcoin where all transaction details, whatever whatever are transparent
How does it work though the transaction outputs or notes of users sending Monero are obfuscated through ring signatures
All right, this is what we want to know so ring signatures, which are groups a sender's output
But it groups the sender's outputs with other decoy outputs
So it's like imagine you're sending one thing of you know like one letter in the mail
But every time you send one letter in the mail it also sends ten other letters in the mail that all go to random places
I'm assuming that's kind of how it works
Yeah, that's really interesting so encryption of transaction amounts began in 2017 with the implementation of ring confidential transactions, which are ring cts
Developers also implemented a zero knowledge proof method bullet proofs, which guarantee a transaction occurred without revealing its value
Interesting so Monero recipients are protected through stealth addresses and those are addresses generated by users to receive funds
But untraceable to an owner by network observer
These privacy features are enforced on a network by default though users have the option to share a private key
To view the private key to permit third-party auditing of their wallet
So Monero uses dandelion plus plus which is a protocol which obscures the ip address of device devices producing transactions
This is done through a method of transaction broadcast propagation
New transactions are initially passed to one node on Monero's peer-to-peer network and a repeated probabilistic method
Probe alone was this type of cheese is used to determine when the transaction should be sent just one node or broadcast to many nodes
Interesting. I did not know about the ring signatures, but that's interesting another another thing. I don't really know much about is zero knowledge proof
right or zk right and we talk about them all the time, but
I really don't understand how the fuck it works. We were talking last night
We were on a phone call and threat and I were kind of discussing zero knowledge proof
And how that could be used for proof of identity in a world dominated by ai
And that's a really that's a wild conversation
Like when you start to go down that route, so maybe we could discuss that a little bit too because it's just interesting to me
Um, but anyway, let's let's go and see what's up with the people on the stage claus. Good to see you. How are you?
It's been a wild day in uh meme coin land
I feel like a lot of people are very euphoric today, which is i'm very happy for it
But i'm curious, you know, how much longer is going to run for and also, you know, what's in store for us the next few weeks
I mean realistically if you didn't buy into pepe or like fucking turbo this or whoa jacking off or whatever the hell
It's rough. I'm not gonna lie. It's not
Oh, yeah, I sold mine like a week and a half ago and I feel fucking brutal right now
I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, and I i'm just broke
So I don't have you know money to gamble on meme coins right now as much as i'd love to you know
I'll just have to wait till the next paycheck. Trust me. I I know exactly how you feel
Um, I woke up this morning and I walked out my door and tg was like sitting on the couch
Just down fucking bad like what the hell's happening? Like what's happening? What's going on? Are you okay?
He's like if I didn't sell my pepe be worth 1.7 mil right now
And yeah, that was that's tough. That's that's really rough because all you have to do is just
Buy it and hold it like all you had to do
Was spend 500 dollars three weeks ago and you'd be a millionaire now, essentially
It's it's really hard to swallow now. Normally this stuff doesn't really bother me. I mean, dude
There's people who made millions on the blur airdrop didn't really feel any way about it. Arbiter on airdrop
There's not gonna be goes fucking pumping from free to whatever like checks
There's so many things and it doesn't really bother me
This doesn't bother me either not now because i've already been through this but it is it is kind of rough
I mean if you're not participating in it, let's be honest
It's not fucking fun to be on twitter right now
If you don't hold peppy or turbo or you didn't make fucking six figures in a week
Right, like and this is something that we don't hear that much about
You know, and especially if you're here for nfts, whatever it is. It's just not you know what I mean?
Like it's just not the way. Um, but I am really happy for the people who have made money
I guess my question is exactly like you said
How long is this gonna run because nothing is up only now?
I do think you need to respect the pump and right now you gotta respect the pump
Like right now you gotta respect the pump because dude they got listed on fucking binance today
And they just sent 150 million in pepe to buy bit dude and crypto.com listed it
This is getting I honestly here's the thing when when tokens get this big and there's this much liquidity and this much volume
They just start to get used differently like bigger entities come in people trade like it's this is no longer
Just a couple people on twitter trading
like these are big establishments getting in and
To be honest with you 1.5. Bill market cap is nothing for something with with real traction with real momentum
Shiba went to a 44 billion dollar market cap or whatever the fuck it was
And it was a bull market things were different. It was post-covid bitcoin was pumping eth was pumping
So we don't have those same two things here
But I mean imagine the bull market does come back and imagine it's initiated by pepe. So that's
I don't know man. This could be something really big
Um, and hopefully this brings more traction to crypto entities in general. Go ahead gloss
Yeah, I mean I completely agree with you. And I mean i'm happy for all my friends that are making good money
A little bum that I sold uh, but you can't like really hold on to that because there's plenty of opportunities here
but I completely agree it's interesting because
Realistically, you know, nothing goes up forever
You know this does have a lot of potential because of like the fact that it is getting listed on major exchanges
They did move, you know, the funds into like a multi-sink wallet with I think it's like eight people
So it looks like there is something, you know, serious or legitimate about it
And at the same time like if you think about just mean culture, dude
This hasn't even reached the masses yet
Like this has plenty of potential and I own zero bags of it at this point
But it's just like in terms of potential run this could easily pass ship or doge and you know
It's done more volume than legitimate coins that have been around for a long ass time, which is hilarious
But at the same time it's risky
So, I mean be careful getting in because it's definitely, you know
PQ for you right now. It could run up a lot more or a little bit more but
Definitely be safe because I mean it's uh, i've heard jay say on a lot of different spaces recently
Like there's different opportunities for meme coins and there's potentially some safer risk ones that you can look at
If you want to just you know, play it with like a hundred two hundred bucks
But realistically gas is too expensive right now
I don't even know what people are going to do because you can't even like really deejay and deejay
Unless you you got some money to play with right now
Yeah, so the the coin world is weird
Um, so there's like and and I heard jay say this on his face earlier today and he you see so right me
There's probably like 20 fucking developers that put out coins that know how to get them to pump
Right like that have the right circles that know how to pre-sale them that know how to get liquidity
There's like a very specific way. You don't just deploy
The contract and then it just pops off, right?
Like there's there's groups of people and this is what they do and they deploy thousands of coins
You know if they're lucky one of them pops off but something like this is a once every three year sort of deal
Right, like maybe you get a coin pop to five million ten million, whatever it is
Like people like oh shit coins are back shit coins never left
But they're just not at this. They weren't at the same severity or the same virality as they were before
But something like pepe which is just so universal the meme just makes sense people get it. It's also crypto centric
Dude, I don't know like it worked really well
It's not the first pepe coin probably won't be the last i'm sure in the next cycle. There might be something
similar or different whatever it might be
But I just want to understand how all these fucking influencers knew about this shit at like a 200k market cap
Because there's coins that launch every fucking day
And like you don't see this shit happening for any like I just I don't get it
Someone can explain it to me how every fucking influencer knew about this shit at like 200 300k market cap and it's just
Like something, you know, I mean like i'm not trying to like speculate or conspiratorial conspiracy
But like bro, are you kidding me?
And even with the turbo thing all the fucking influencers got in on the presale to win to a hundred mil market cap
Yeah, I don't know like there's definitely circles where this information goes around and then people use their platforms to push this shit
Which again look it's decentralization
If you want to think about it that way people are allowed to use their platform for whatever they want to do
And I think coins in good fun as long as people know the rules that they're playing by it's fine
Right. We know it's gambling. We know it's a ponzi like when you buy a coin
Literally, the only thing that you you're looking for is for more people to buy it so you can sell it at a higher price
Right, but I also think this room is it really interesting
It's interesting from a visual perspective because it kind of removes the fallacy that like you need utility or some sort of arbitrary
Bullshit in order to pump the price of an asset when you really don't you just need network effects
You just need community. You just need people fucking with it and that's really what happened here
So I want to throw it over to be broker be broker. What's up?
I I I love to hear liquid in your voice
Happy friday night. It is. It is a glorious friday night in liquid in like what does that even mean? I I don't know
Might it mean that you are are are sipping cocktails maybe having a beer? Uh,
drinking coffee right now
Okay, like is it okay? So
No need to get testy. Oh my god. Wait, is that is that the next token coffee token?
No, and visual that would be a great
Listen joke like all this shit is is so crazy and and and so
As far as these shit coins go
Into play like just some things that I want
everybody to keep in mind right like
So when we look back historically
Right the largest rise in the price of bitcoin
in a single year occurred in 2013
Where it went from 13 dollars and 50 cents a coin
Dollars by the end of the year that was an eight thousand percent increase then again in 2017
It went from about a thousand dollars to
Which is an eighteen thousand percent increase like these magical things can happen like
Whether pepe coin is the next magical thing. I I I don't know but
the rhyme or reason to this shit
nobody knows and and one of my favorite things when I look at this space is
The bozos that come out with i'm gonna give you technical analysis
And they put their clown nose on and they talk to you about
Bollinger bands and all this shit and you know what they say at the end of their analysis
Which means you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and nobody does this shit is
Insane there's no way to understand it and
The way to understand it is to play the game and like in playing the game like
I I have a bunch of friends who were able to jump in on the pepe thing and they won
But all of all of my friends also
Trying to figure out where pepe is
People winning just discourage you because
Trust me. Every single person that has made a bank on pepe
Also lost a shit ton of money finding their way
And they don't post that on their instagram or their twitter or timeline. They post the wins
So just I I don't know you have to take everything with a grain of salt in this space
My involvement with pepe, I don't know like two weeks ago I I spent
I don't know whatever the eth was I bought
69.69 worth of pepe and i'm up like I don't know it's it's like quadrupled or whatever and
That's awesome. I'm not even gonna touch it. I was late to the game. I I I traded it for a bit
Not understanding like where like you you want to get in and out and it's like
As I was experimenting the gas fees
It like if you don't have a lot a lot of money to invest the gas fees when you're trying to fuck with this shit
If it costs a hundred and fifty four dollars to make an exchange
Wow, that is that's something you have to think about so like
I just ordered an entire avocado salad while you were talking. It was still when I got back still talking
Our gas fees there was one on salon. I mean there's two coins popping off on salada
There was one called guac
That I know a bunch of people that got into and they put in like maybe like a couple hundred bucks
And they all cashed out 50 to 70k
It's crazy like no gas fees. Whatever. Whatever. It's not just happening on on ethereum. It's happening on salon
Also these brc 20s these src 20s. I mean there's coins on all chains that are popping off
I've seen coins on zk rollups that are popping off
It's nuts literally anywhere that you can deploy a fucking contract for a coin people are doing it and making money
I mean you just got to keep your eyes open and you can't get discouraged if you miss one because there isn't like
Look, if you miss pepe, you could have fucking gotten to wojak
You could have gotten to chad or gensler or any of these fucking coins you could have gotten to guac
All of them would have provided similar games. Honestly
Right, like something doesn't need to get to a billion dollar market cap for you to make a lot of money
You just have to get in early
Right. So there's people who take the strategy where they throw .05 at literally everything that has liquidity added to it
And even if you lose on 20 the 21st one will pay it off
And then there's other people who wait for stuff to get a little bit more traction
And then they'll buy in a little bit heavier. So it just depends on what your strategy is
Um, but look, I mean nb is just spamming down books. I'll throw it over to him nb. What's going on leap you fuck
Why are you not giving me credit for what? Oh for your ai picture
Of ai art i've created you're the only fuck in the entire space who doesn't credit me
It's easy zero. You put it on there. I'm giving I give you no credit for nothing
Zero credit don't make me put my name on this shit, please
B did you really create it though? Or was it the ai?
I had to go in photoshop and edit this fucker on a frog and change the the
Whatever you call it and give it droopy eyes. I had to fucking like
Figure out how to do that shit and then bring it into to dolly
And this fucker doesn't even tag me. I am absolutely outraged
You are absolutely I'm sure you're laughing
I'm, sorry nb for stealing your work of art and posting it on my twitter. I will credit you
Uh, and uh, you can either yeah, i'll credit you. You know what really fucked with me leap
You didn't even like the original post
You just downloaded the fucking photo and went on your way. You didn't give it a like you didn't go
Wow nb i'm grateful for you. I did do that. Actually, that's crazy when you say it out loud. I did do that
That is what art is right? Like like that that that's what art is like to just blatantly copy
That's that's the not only is a nod to you
But it's a nod to leap for just being creative and just
Commodering it yo, and I didn't even like it
You could have given it a like I didn't like it asking for a comment
They got 15 likes here. I make 16. No my comic got 15 likes. Yeah, I'm you out for your shit
Bro, this is ridiculous. No, you were caught that's ridiculous
Okay, i've been platforming you for literally six months make you call us in my space
I took your fucking you easily gave me 3000 follows, but that does not make up for the
The the blade in disrespect that came to pepe leap. I think we're at least even I would say we're at least even
Maybe okay, let's forget. Okay fidget. Oh, what do you think?
This motherfucker just said I gave you I platform you for 3003 thousand followers
That's a that's that's a bougie. It's bitchy. It's hollywood bullshit. I've heard in a long time. It's true
I got a fuck. Oh, you could have you you could have been
Have been a book to spaces and alex spaces and getting all those followers
Oh, you're so incredible don't just still and i've been on p.o. Oh my gosh
I got a little like list going around. I try to get on all the first ones
Does anybody go to p.o? And who's the other guy nick who's nicked?
Yeah, everyone goes to that bro, but you're not in your time. I have no idea what you're talking about
Um what I will say the nifty portal
Because it's 2 a.m california time and it's 9 a.m
So it's like just fucking too early for your why the fuck would I schedule me go to somebody else's show?
Maybe it's my friend. So I go to his show
I'm telling you it's on the different
This is okay. Let's let's talk about this
So we cope over over meme tokens and y'all bitch asses cope over nonsense fucking spaces
You just said p.o and nick as if i'm supposed to it's sad. What the fuck do you think you are bro? I'm sorry
Do you have headphones too?
Okay, um look nb here you can be co-host so you can mute visual whenever you want
Uh second of all what the fuck you're ordering just order the goddamn food
Uh and third of all, I am sorry for taking it without crediting it. That was not cool
So I just definitely just credited you I was actually waiting all day for you to come into space
I'm like, I know fucking nb is gonna just be livid about this one
Uh, so anyway, I kind of wanted to see what was gonna happen. Uh, but look i'll throw it back to fidgetl
Fidgetl, can you order your food and get wasn't ordering food by the way?
I now understand the value of that new product. So some dude outside of sweet greens
I'm picking sweet greens for my girl and yelled at me like can you talk somewhere else and I looked at him
He was talking into his phone
He didn't have he didn't have headphones
Do I just yell at him or order him free food?
What do you what do you think? Because I'm
You tell me just go out of your way to mention you're picking up sweet greens for your girl
No, I went on my way to tell people that richie changed my life with uh, apple or iphone
Whatever the fucking headphones are and now I look at people as well. So how do you not have these headphones?
It was it was it was it was a small iphone though, too
So that can I connect the two dots? No
You got a small iphone. Yeah, definitely
Me the guy that's yelling at me. All right. That was a great take. Let's go to cheddar
Yo, whatever. I just wanted to correct you. Uh,
I mean 9 a.m. Wouldn't be 2 a.m
It'd be 6 a.m for pst. That was just really what I had to come up here
All right. Thanks for the correcting cheddar that has been noted. Let's go to emlo
I've never been to a co-hosting nb space enjoy
Let's go to em. See I look I mean he's coming an entire evening of nonsense takes
I gotta I gotta respect these coz he he's making his own rules
He is a loose cannon flying by the brim of his hat and nothing I could do about it
Bro, I feel safe when nb's up here when the influencers are up here with you. I don't feel safe
That's why it's not coming. I appreciate all the commentary, but none of you fucks are emlo. Let's go to emlo
Jesus fuck what do I have to do to get myself as a pepe?
What you want me to make you in the pepe give me a pfp that's easy to make in the pepe
All right, i'll send you one
All right, fuck it. Just send me one. We're making em. We'll out co-host too. Fuck it. We're just risking it all tonight
And last minute dude, i'm like in the space beginning of the space every night literally no, I mean I know him
But I don't know him know him
See this is cozy. You can't kick either one of these two because at least I know i'm not going to get muted now
Well, okay look look so I I kind of want to talk about
Zero knowledge proofs. I know that's not like the most interesting and fascinating topic
But I honestly don't know how they work and I want to know how they work
So i'm going to read it. Um, if there's something specifically like we're going to talk about pepe in depth a lot more
Your the microphone quality on your phone is so bad. Like it is
Unbelievably bad. It sounds like you're underwater in a fridge
I tell you an answer to a question that you asked me without having to give any information other than the fact that you know
the answer to the question
And why are you always at a restaurant? All I heard was blue blue blue blue blue blue blue
All right. Well, hold on the clatter of dishes
Well fidgetl does know about zk proofs actually, so he actually knows a lot about them. So I think this could be interesting
Um, I I do want to like fidgetl if you do want to explain just quickly how they work because like what is the mechanism?
What is that? It's not it's not a mechanism
So, um, I think I said a little bit too loud. I apologize again
The easiest analogy is this there's um
A person reaches a fork in a row. He's heading he's trying to save his friends
There are two jails at either end of the road
Okay, let me refresh. There's two jail cells
You're deciding which one to go to
Your friend isn't one of them. There is a there's a a guard at both at both jail cells
One will always tell the truth one will always lie. What's the one question?
You can ask either either guard that will ensure that you find your friend
Okay, i'm more confused than I was at the beginning so just think about it
One guard always lies one guard always tells the truth
Your friend isn't one of the two jails. What is the one question you can ask either guard
That will ensure that you will find which jail cell your friend is in
How do you know it's not one guard with multiple personality disorder
Okay, this was a mistake look
The answer is you ask either guard if I ask if you ask the other guard which cell
The inmate was in what would he tell you?
I'm not that idiot too, bro. That's the case. I'm right here counting money at work
Actually, think about it. Just just just stop there's two there's two guards
One always I rather buy me coins than think about this
I already gave you the fucking answer if you ask either guard if you ask a guard that always lies
What would the other guard tell you where the the person would it is, right?
If he's if he's the person that tells the truth
Then the other person's eye will tell you that it's in his if he always tells you the truth
Then it would say that it's in his
The answer is if I ask the other if I ask you to ask the other guard
Which jail says will he will he say that the prisoner is in that is zk proof
Okay, so that kind of makes sense no it does
Dem it down for me leap and just literally fucking think through it for fuck's sake
I dude i'm just a small p brain. Uh, it's it's hard for me to even just think about my what my name is
Look zero knowledge proof or protocol is a way for a prover to convince a verifier that the statement about some secret information is true
Without revealing the secret itself the proof. Dude. What are these fucking convoluted descriptions?
Tell me what the hell it is. What was secret? What secret are they talking about?
So zero knowledge proof of work aka zero knowledge proof of computation is when a prover convinces a verifier that they have correctly executed
Some computation on secret data without revealing the secrets
I'm an idiot. I am just an idiot zero knowledge
Authentication is when a prover convinces a verifier that they are in possession of an identifying secret without revealing the secret itself
One example of zero knowledge authentication is when a prover has an
Asystematic key pair and using the private key to respond to a challenge sent with the public key
The private key is never revealed, but the verifier is convinced that the prover has the key
Well, that's totally cleared up leap that
You'd leave like what the fuck?
Okay. Listen, this is the absolute best description for zk proof that I have heard to date
If if you have a where's waldo page
The idea is to find where waldo is on that page
If if you're in a room with a bunch of kids and you say where's waldo? Nobody knows where it is
Zk proof is taking a giant piece of paper with a small hole
And you cut a hole in it and you put that paper over this book and you show
Right, you lay it over the entire book. So they have no frame of reference and you show where waldo is
By that you're proving to all these
Yo, what the fuck is happening? I don't know. Maybe we should just accept. We don't know anything about block team
There's like glory holes and where's waldo? I literally asked you guys to think for two seconds
And your ADHD fucking asses can't even like step through a two-second hoop, bro. You gave a level one riddle
I asked you to walk through
You said one guard lies one guard tells the truth
I'll make it real easy. How can I prove a fact the answer of what is zk proof is
I can prove a fact without you knowing who I am proving the fact. That's it
Well vigil, isn't that what I was describing? No
I don't know what the fuck you were doing be okay. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on
This is so what vigil said right there is actually what it is
So as your knowledge proof is a method of proving the validity of a statement without revealing the statement itself
That that makes sense to me, right? You're proving something is valid
But you're not proving what that thing that is valid is
It is a proof system with a prover a verifier in a challenge that gives users the ability to publicly share a proof of knowledge
Or ownership without revealing the details of it. That makes sense to me
That that makes sense. That's pretty simple term in cryptography zero knowledge proofs
Let you convince me that you know something or have done something without revealing to me what that secret was that makes sense
It is one of the most powerful cryptographic tools that's ever been devised in this article
We dive deeper into what zero knowledge proofs are and provide different examples
Okay, so that all makes well, what's the difference between proof of stake and proof of work?
Well proof of stake is conscious your confidence
Just just pause one second the difference between proof of stake and proof of work or any reduced proof ofs
that diminish the protections based on the efforts and the the cost of validating
A sequence or a transaction is done by by confidence
So we reduce it from 230 handshakes to let's say 15 to 30 alluvium. We got fixed. That's what I mean
Sorry, actually we had six but fucked up
The more trust you're putting into the validators
So zk in in comparison to the difference between a proof of work and a proof of stake is saying
If you are staked into the network
And you have proven your conviction and commitment to an ecosystem. We're going to trust you more than we should
Because what we should have is proof of work
Just takes a long time it costs a lot of money digital digital i'm going to interrupt you. Okay, you have shifted the
Conversation to it's the same thing
It's the same thing zero knowledge proof
Yeah, you're like old men arguing outside of a starbucks
Okay, look, let me actually this whole zero knowledge proof thing goes back to 1965
Uh, actually 1985 so it was originally written in a paper from these people named shofie goldwasser and silvio silvio
Can you give me a moment to explain it in simple terms?
If I have to if I have to hear about where's waldo and poking a hole in a piece of paper again
Like I think i'm gonna lose it leap leap. It takes two seconds
Vigil interrupted me because his brain is too big to understand how to make things simple
Where's waldo if you have a page of where's waldo the idea is to find where the waldo is
Right, if you have a bunch of kids in a room and you want to prove zk proof
You're going to cut a teeny hole in a page and place it over the entire book and point out exactly
Where waldo is you're going to show every kid in that room
Hey, I have pinpointed where waldo is
Now shut your eyes turn away and i'm going to remove this piece of paper
When everybody turns back
They don't know where waldo is but they trust
Because I showed them exactly where waldo is that I know the answer to the riddle
Yeah, hi mark is here i'm just gonna go back down to the listeners. I appreciate you guys having me. I appreciate you
Um, okay. So look, I want to i'm gonna read this here real quick. I find it interesting
I mean look at this one of those things we always hear about zk rollups, but we never really dive into them
They're really pretty complex like instant, you know simplicity. We kind of went over what they are
But there's a lot more to how they work
So here's where it says explaining zk to your friends proof of membership
Another way of thinking about zero knowledge proof is with this example of the lock safe
You meet someone you do not know yet
They claim to also be a member of a group you are part of how can you know if you can trust them?
Luckily your group has a locked safe and only the members of your group know the combination to gain access to the safe
So write a secret message and place it in the lock safe
So one the verifier writes a secret message puts in the lock safe
Two the prover who fulfills the requirements has knowledge of the combination code and opens the lock safe
Three the prover returns the secret message to the verifier
And then four the verifier is convinced the prover really knows the combination code and can therefore be trusted
Okay, so this is kind of all makes sense to me. Um, you know in terms of technicality
It's a lot deeper and i have no fucking clue in terms of concept
I think are we all in agreeance? We kind of get what it means
It's actually not that complicated imagine if I just say I will meet you at the corner of
Nice envy you're not ninth avenue in third street and you say, okay
Okay, look, okay, we can't go to curl no, okay, okay
Look y'all are co-hosts i'm down with y'all being co-hosts
You can't you've already done four mutes in under five minutes. That's that's one per minute
It's too much one per minute. It's gonna be like more like one every 10 minutes one every 15 minutes
You got to ration them out a little bit
Bro, but he does it better than anyone else you've ever had on stage as co-hosts
That is true. But sometimes you have to just embrace the chaos
This is like dive in it. That's not chaos. That's an um
It's a man ranting. Have you ever been to a space that I host sleep?
Um, I have I don't know what the fuck's going on either
Uh, I don't know, you know, I was thinking of something earlier today leaf if moonbirds change
Oh my god, you co-hosted this fucking idiot. Good night
Okay. Look let's let's get this back on track here. I want to go over to scottie scottie. Good to see you. What's going on?
Does anyone understand yet
What the zk snark is or are we just exchanging partial explanations?
I mean you're basically proving that you know something without revealing what that something is
I think in like the most simple form that's what it is
I can actually explain it and I go can I just interject it?
Digital has left the building
Maybe nobody knows it. Maybe people do
Yeah, we couldn't prove that he was here but he's gone and we don't know where he went and it's perfect
Does that shit show scottie go ahead
So using fidgetil's example of the prisoner
So you've got two separate cells
No, seriously, this is gonna be it's gonna be a serious answer
You have two separate cells you have two separate guards, you know that one guard lies, you know that one guard always tells the truth
So you would go up to either guard actually you'd go up to both guards and you would say if I asked the other guard
And because of the phrasing of the question
The one that always lies is going to tell you
Where the one where the friend?
And because of the question it's going to they're going to tell you what the other guard would have said which in this particular
Flips the answer for the one that lies but keeps it consistent for the one who tells the truth
So they both give you the same answer. That's how zk works
Well, I wouldn't the guard that's always lying just lie though and say a different answer. No, he's guaranteed to lie
But he's going but but it's it's a it's a predictable lie because of the way that you phrase the question
Like you're counting on him lie like you need him to lie otherwise if they fall apart
He doesn't know where your friend is but the other guard knows where your friend is the other guard
Got guard is the validator and then this guy is any other node on the network
All right, so someone sent me this and this is from from gaia, so thank you gaia or or gia
Um, sorry if i'm pronouncing that wrong
Is that imagine your friend is colorblind and you have two balls one red and one green but otherwise identical to your friend
They seem completely identical and he is skeptical. They are actually distinguishable because he's colorblind
You want to prove to him they're in fact different colored, but nothing else
Thus you do not reveal which one is red in which one is green
Here is the proof system you give the two balls to your friend and he puts them behind his back next he takes
Sorry, just getting some weird ass dms in reference to this message. Um
So you give the two balls to your friend and he puts them behind his back next he takes
I can't I can't even read the rest of this. All right, so your friend has blue balls behind his back
I don't get where you're going with this
Why is your friend handling balls?
I can't why are we doing this?
Why why do we keep doing metaphors? Did I miss something like yo og
Tell the tell these guys about the zk snark. I put you in earlier today, man
This motherfucker kiro, uh
I guess i'll talk about it. I guess i'll talk about it
So look i'm trying to get the white list for ether as you might know the pfp you feel me. Uh, but
Trying to get the white list for ether and uh, you know, he basically said, you know, I got the alpha
I got the alpha. Uh, are you fucking with like some are you like followed by somebody from the valley? I was like
I was like no, no, can you can you let me know who that is?
He was like, oh, yeah for sure. Uh, let's play a game
And he blacked out the pfp and he blacked out the username and just left the bio and he said
I was like, why are we doing this bro?
I don't know what made what led you to this decision today, but uh
Okay, so i'm spending like 18 minutes
Fucking the valley's followers trying to find this exact bio and then i'm like yo
Advanced twitter search is a thing
Ox valley in advanced twitter search and it's the first fucking thing that pops up and I click it
But uh kiero, can you go ahead and explain how that's a zk snark?
Because I knew who it was you didn't
but on the blockchain, there's a
Some sort of correlation there, man
Um, all right. Why are we doing this? Also, uh, why is this coming? Let me just say one thing real quick. Uh leap what?
What's going on tonight, man? I mean we're scraping the bottom of the barrel here. You got nb up as a co-host what?
Motherfucker cannot mute like once every minute. This is there's a little bit low, you know an etiquette when it comes to this
Um, no, I mean, I agree. I agree. Oh gee, we are we're done bad tonight
But we're gonna make it work
And if anything we can learn something about zero knowledge and zk snark, which is the worst fucking snark. That's that's a terrible name
I know it stands for something like it stands for uh stands for something but snarky
Either way, at least now we have a basic understand
It's like it's proving that you know the answer to something or you have the secret without revealing the secret itself and that's where like
Validates all this stuff blah blah blah. I think I get it at a basic level. There's a lot more reading to be done about this
You know either way good to see og good to have you up here as always and dude the ether art either
Art's definitely interesting. I've been looking a lot more at and what do you think about it?
What is your true honest opinion on the ether dude?
I'm not gonna lie the ether art like i've i've heard people say it's like it's an azuki derivative
But uh, I mean dude, just look closer. You know what i'm saying?
I think this art is probably like some of the best i've ever seen in nfc's like undoubtedly
I'm gonna try and do the smoky route like how smoky went with youths
Uh, i'm gonna try and do some like ether community spaces. I'm tapped into a few of the people there. All right
We're gonna see how it goes. I'm gonna grab this either whitelist, man
Hopefully I come out on top with it. Uh, we'll see but yeah, dude as far as the art goes
Uh, I can I link like this dude's thread, uh, who like does ether updates every week because like he just like leaks
Uh pf like some of the art that like you can't find anywhere else
Consistently like every week and it's all fucking bangers
Yeah, no, you can pin it um now I think the project ether is cool
And one it's nuts that they have even that username
I did meet the the founder and talk to them in person cb. I think is his name
I met him at art basil last year or one of the co-founders. Um, i'm not gonna lie
I don't think the art is some of the best we've seen the nft's face. I think that's what's like
Utopia avatars obviously, I just don't think it's even like I just don't think it's close to
Anywhere near the top. I mean like it's it's decent
But uh, it kind of reminds me of kawami if you saw kawami
I think the art is good for sure like where i'm not gonna see him pretend
It's not good, but is it the some of the best we've ever seen what?
No, I mean no way i'm swayed
I'm a fucking anime guy. I love anime and personally in my own opinion
Uh, this is some of the most fire anime art i've seen i'm not gonna lie to you
I'm not gonna lie to you like uh, I pinned it to the top
I highly suggest you go through this motherfucker's threads. Jov is an absolute g
Uh, you're gonna see some next level pfps again highly suggest go through it
There's literally two pfps buddy here
There's like 25 threads that are linked there and in each thread there's some pfps. Hey pal your friend needs to consolidate his shit
Buddy that that's the consolidation of his shit what he taught. That's the consolidation of all the threads he writes every week
He needs to redo his thread look look look. Okay, you got your co-host here
We can't keep jumping in over and over again. Second of all, I think
I mean look the art is good. I'm looking at some i'm looking at the threads here
It does look good. I take it back
But I still I still want to say it's some of the best
Because I just think there's a level of finesse that exists within like azuki art that is just so
I don't know. It's just timeless. There's something about it. It's just timeless
But I do think the art here is really good. I mean I sleep. I actually got some
Ask you because I think you'll be pretty interested in this. Let me find the image. Let me find the image
I don't know if you know like the the mint price is like an eath
Uh, which is yeah, it's a kind of wild
Or free with like a six month lock-up period which is kind of wild but but listen to this
So the one of ones I think like this is very odd to me the one of ones
Animated reveal no lock-up period exclusive figurine for the owners. Oh cool
Uh reveals 10 weeks after mint
The one of ones reveal 10 weeks after mint yeah, uh, that's uh
That's pretty fucking odd. I'm not gonna lie
They're probably just not done
They're the arts probably just not finished like what do you mean?
They're probably just trying to get the rest of it ready and whenever they're like
We'll just buy 10 weeks to finish the one of ones. That's definitely what it is. And second of all, I mean look it
One eth on a mint price. I again, I think the ether project is cool. I know I don't want anything
I'm hating on it. I think the art is cool. Whatever. Whatever. I think the name is nice
I think v the artist has put a lot of work into this doing all by hand blah blah blah
One eth is a fucking expensive mint price for a 10k collection raising 10 000 aetherium. What are you gonna do?
I mean 17 50 is white list and uh, those are like 0.5 a piece, but I I get your point
So 17 50 is the allow list and then the rest are public. Yeah, so, uh, as far as like the white list goes, uh
Like I said, like they're they can be 0.5 public mint and I think that's if you want to trade them on secondary immediately
17 50 of them like all the white lists could be free if everybody locked it up
So it's free to men but you're locked up for how long I think six months
So that's that's interesting. I mean, honestly, I think I would just go for the free
I just take it free. Whatever happens in six months happens is you zero risk. It literally zero risk
Yeah, I think that's probably the I agree like my thesis on that is like what if I get
Like is it going to be free after it reveals or is it going to be 0.5?
Like is it going to be free after reveals or is it going to be before it reveals because what if I like get some shit
I fucking hate but it's locked up there for six months. You know what I mean? I would be pretty upset
So, I mean that's a good point too
Especially because you said you kind of want to go the community route and do spaces and things like that
Which I think by the way is such a solid strategy when there is a new project coming and it has hype whatever whatever
dude, fucking be a part of that shit be a part of the movement and
And try to do what you can like build content. That's what you should do. That's literally what you should do
Um, also nb you're now up here changing titles to I was pepe. How do you know?
Co-host me what's gummy bear boy doing up here?
No, you are you trying to blame me nb because i'm the only other person it could have been and it wasn't me
Well, I wasn't blaming me, but I wasn't blaming you
Okay, all right, um, look that sounds like the prisoner question you can ask dk sink, uh-huh
All right. Well, let's do a community vote because this is a dal. So thumbs up. We replace nb with og thumbs down
All right, nobody voted guys come on come on guys, come on let me let me see some thumbs up
This just didn't didn't really work, uh, okay, he's gonna play ice spice don't do it. We don't own them
I'm not gonna play ice spice. I don't have a road caster. I'm not that bougie nb
Not all of us are gummy bears from boca raton
It's gonna talk about his hentai pfp's that are locked in six months
The fact that you didn't boot him immediately after he said that is honestly wild. I wouldn't take that
We're not talking about hentai in the twitter space second of all, um
Look, we were actually talking about and og and I were actually having a conversation about nfts. Isn't that crazy?
When the last time we talked about nfts, when's the last time me and you talked about nfts more specifically?
Probably before they died. I think it's the last time we talked about them and now that we're in the shit coin, you know heaven
I I think we just haven't had time, you know, it's all this money
We're counting it just not a lot of time in the day anymore
Okay, so i'm gonna i'm gonna read off some statistics here about uh, active wallets in nft space
So as of last week there were 843 active nft wallets on ethereum
Like under a thousand like under a thousand that's wild
Okay, that was a lot. It was a lie, but it's probably pretty low
Did you just make that statistic up on the spot?
Just fucking improv the fuck out of it
There's at least eight wallets on ethereum right now
Bro, you do anything with confidence and people will believe it. I would have accepted that and like repeated that figure
People start taking that to other spaces like yeah, there's only 843. Um, no, but I am trying to find the real number here. Um
Oh also, this is kind of interesting just in regards to nft news
There was a star wars limited edition nft that put got put out onto flow. Did y'all see that?
The star wars nft. Um, it came out on may the 4th. It's a star wars day and it was super plastic, right?
I think so. It looks like i'm looking at the picture here. It looks like super plastic. Um
It says the crypto toys star wars nft will span 15 limited edition digital toys of iconic characters
Luke skywalker darth vader all that good stuff. The nfts are minted on flow
Um, let's see here design in five cartoonish stylized skin designs
The nfts will be available in common rare legendary grail in ultra grail dude common rare
Legendary grail in ultra grail. You couldn't pick any names. They're a little bit different than for me. Anyway, um, so
Rarity levels in star wars inspired by digital holocrons or data storage devices from the film franchise each pack is a blind box
Which means buyers won't know what character they'll receive until they open it unless they lock it up for six months in which it is free
Is this is this inspired by ether it says we've all been star wars fans since we were kids
Which is why it's an absolute dream to come bring star wars to digital toys to the platform
And that was the ceo of crypto toys or cryptoys and it's the parent company on chain studios
Get by up here. They're jacking this flow right now
What is this shit you're saying it's you if you hold it for six months they're going to give you your money back
Yeah, so like if you hold it for six months, like you just get this title. It's called official bozo
Um, okay, so that's the first news of the day. Um, the second thing that's it wasn't wasn't anything too crazy
Did you get the free queens coronation?
That's pretty lit even though that was coming out. Um
She did it you're running at it's by it's by a famous artist actually is it?
Trevor jones, yeah, the bitcoin angels artists. All right, here's something cool
So this is a cool article says and this from rafique anadol. I think this is interesting
He says he said i've sold more than 30 million dollars in nfts
Um, and this was you know, rafique anadol he's reflecting it in this conversation. So
This is really interesting is that ai might be sweeping and shocking the art world
But that's nothing new to rafique anadol the artist who's been cornering the digital art space with his algorithmic works for nearly a decade
Anadol's experiments with code have been wide ranging but recently his so-called data paintings have set both the curatorial and popular imagination of fire
But the rise of the blockchain and growing popularity of ai his mesmeratic work has been installed in the moma showcase at the grammys
And his earlier years on crowns and exhibitions at jeffrey dike's los angeles gallery
Just goes blah blah blah. So anyway, 32 million dollar single owner sale at christie's
So on and so forth. So the first question they asked him is who is rafique anadol in the art world?
You are new to us. Who are you? He said i'm a media artist who's been working with algorithms and computer code for almost 14 years
I coined the term data painting in 2008. I've been working with ai for the last seven years and practicing public art for almost nine
Uh says what were you doing before the advent of the blockchain and he was using computers so on and so forth
Uh, so nb actually pins him at the top. So some of rafique anadol's work. He's extremely talented
That's from last night lee. He just did the first this is like history
But he did the first public art nft
And it's the like projector mapping of that building in barcelona, but look at the crowds man
Holy, it's been like that for months though. It he's had that set up for a while
No, but this is like some kind of I don't know why this one's special
But they've been hyping it up for like all months
But like the holy crowds like the crowds that go around rafiques work
It just blows me away every time I see the photos like it really is special
So there's a lot of these so and here's the thing like rafique anadol
You would think that his work and he has nfts, right?
You can buy his digital works you can get his nyc paintings for under
One of these he has a burn coming up too on the moma collection
So you can get the piece that's in moma
So this is the thing so you would think that rafique would be you know
58th floor 48th floor just what his work sells for in the quote web2 world where like all the credentials his providence
But he doesn't demand that in the nft space
And we've seen this quite often with many many artists that come over from the traditional quote unquote fine art world
And they aren't able to find that same level of success and it seems like a no-brainer, right?
Imagine you have an artist they come over here their works sell for tens of millions of dollars
They're in every museum in the world
They're some of the most respected pioneering artists and they come to the nft space and they can't even fucking sell out a collection
With that cheap mint prices. This happens all the time nb. Who is that other guy? Justin, you know, Justin. He was talking about it. Um
Who is that other guy that recently just put out a collection and it just didn't didn't even sell out
Do you know what i'm talking about?
It was like they were like white sculptures
I'm talking about frank stella. They sold out though. Oh, he did sell out
What is the frank stella sold out a while ago? The floor is just not great
So that's the thing the the floor but frank stella is like 90 years old
He's more art history than than famous artists. He was like foundational to a lot of the post-war art movements
Every like he was the youngest artist that moma has ever given a retrospective to
Which is basically a retrospective is like an exhibition of all of that artist's work and their portfolio to that date
Is the perfect complement at the end of all of this?
So you can't do a retrospective without the nfts like it's just another medium that concludes it but he's been working in uh
To to fabricate his his like irl sculptures, so it was a natural progression
But it is absolutely baffling leap and a lot of it is because people just don't know the art industry
So they don't realize like these opportunities exist
Yeah, there's so many of them. It's not even funny daniel. Another song. Yeah, daniel. Arshorn was another one and another one
His degenerate regenerate is selling for very very little I think below
0.1 eats per thing but baffling
So so look, I mean, I I don't think it's as baffling as when it might seem so yes
You may think okay. They're selling for a lot. They must sell for a lot in the nft space
This is a completely different culture
Right. It's like saying a movie does well in the united states doesn't mean it's going to do well in europe
Right, like it's just it's different there's different culture different people different way of thinking different way of consuming art
It's all completely different and I think the artists that fail to pivot
If they want to right, they don't have to pivot you can be successful in the non-nft world and do really well
But if you want to be successful here
There are certain things that you kind of have to do or at least adhere to and it may work
It may not work. You look at people like fluosius or grant grant river
Like there's so many people here that just absolutely crushed and it's just different
Um, so anyway says when did you sell your first nft?
He said november 2020 was the first time that I learned about nifty gateway
But before that i'd been in touch with pock people who had been talking about the medium
I had one private collector who was a traditional collector who purchased my piece from a gallery in
2018 that person introduced me to the notion of nfts
The collector said she could not sleep without putting the work which is physical into a digital wallet
That's when I learned what it means. I think it's the same year very early platforms were coming up
But I had been mining ethereum since the beginning and i've been practicing and learning about the blockchain since the beginning because working with computer graphics
I have a lot of gpu's right graphics processor units research resources
Um, and I was very early in the blockchain
So I didn't actually know that rafiq anadol was that early
Into the blockchain and mining ethereum so and so forth and then they asked them
How many works have you sold in your career to collectors and how many of those are tokenized?
So he said in my gallery practice. I'm totally independent. I do not have gallery representation, which is a very unique approach for artists
I work with galleries for exhibitions
But only for that project for the time and space and during those exhibitions
I create limited edition designs for traditional collectors who are collecting art without the blockchain kind of interesting stuff
I did not know that's the way that he was
Then they talk about um, like digital files how they record stuff
I'm not i'm not going to read through any of that and then they ask to my understanding with those tokens
There's two types of rafiq anadol the works that are looped where the workplace over and over again and the works that are ai
Generated so dynamic. Yes. I've been programming my own world of imagination with data and was making the computation strong enough
So the artworks are never the same. It's constantly evolving and changing like life like a living painting living sculpture
Living architecture living living artworks starting about three years ago. I was able to create many artworks using real-time data
For example for the sotheby's nft collection. I was able to create three one of one pieces
They all use custom computer software that validates your token and transforms the ai dreaming of the galaxies
Or earth and mars three different artworks. They're always different ever changing
So it just seeing even how he speaks and how he writes his vernacular is very very different
Um, and then they talk about the barcelona work since it was a generative loop an interactive piece at the christie's auction
It was sold for I think 1.4 million
That was the piece that was ever changing in real time the collectors got a computer again with custom software
But we're also projection mapping the building to bring it to the metaverse with a beautiful event
Which is kind of interesting, uh, but then they say but if it's generative the computer is constantly changing altering it
So at the time you're no longer here in this life, it will continue to change that's living art
Interesting that's kind of interesting
So it's like the art is always changing it's never the same
Interesting. So he gives the collectors the computer with the sale. That's crazy. You just get like the computer that runs it as well
Um with a million dollars with 1.4 million
Yes, this is the 101 man, but they take the sensor inputs and everything too for some of the pieces
So it's like a more of like a you're buying you're like adopting a piece. It's very much a living kind of thing
Have you seen the one in the moma?
In the lobby many times dad i've got a similar three times it's a one
And uh art bachelor 20. Yep on the beach. We'd be good friends
Okay, you'd be good friends, but stop talking over each other. Um, okay. Look, here's the next thing
Uh, we're gonna go over to the next part here. So this is actually the end of the article
Now rafiq anadol is kind of the goat
I haven't seen an nb. I actually haven't been to the moment yet
So i haven't actually looked at it, but he's kind of the goat
I'm just surprised he doesn't get more attraction during that in the nft space
I mean even if you go to open sea here and kind of just like look for his work
But the thing is like I look at this and I say well, maybe there's an opportunity there
Like maybe there's an opportunity to make money
But I just don't like it might not ever see any real value
Like here's the thing 3800 items on this on this collection on open sea floor price is 0.3
Again floor price does not mean everything right floor price is not indicative of artistic merit
And maybe the floor price just hasn't caught up to it
Um do that just did the moment we talk about rafiq anadol just and requests up
Synthetic dreams by rafiq anadol on open sea. This is a collection of a thousand items and it's a 1.1 weath offer
So you can get it for about an e
Is that the new york one?
So this one it says quantum ai data paintings using quantum bit strings generated from google quantum ai's team
Beyond classical experiment with a generative adversarial network machine learn. Okay. There's too many big words
No, that's that's basically he used google images to combine it with ai to make art. Um, that one was very cool
He also did something with space x that was awesome. I did not know that that's super cool
Yeah, I mean the work is really nice. The question is and this goes back to a conversation we've had so often
Are people still buying art like if I go to the activity list?
Um, let's see here. Oh, wow people still buy this there were three sales
They're someone bought four of them nine hours ago. They swept four for 1.1 a piece
And then it oh, but then look the the sale before that was two days and 13 days
I mean, it's just interesting to see where the money's going
They're one of one pieces. So those move a little bit differently than the 10k collection
No, of course, of course, but there's still a thousand of them
You know and and one eth is not that expensive for for a lot of people
And when you see things like pepe or whatever nakamego is the newest fucking trend there's millions and millions of dollars being poured into it
Um, but then you have pieces like this that just sit on open c
It just makes you think like oh, you know, what are people here for so I want to go to og first and then
Um hear from the rest of the speakers. Oh, gee, what do you think?
Justin you're the rafiq anadol expert take it away
Well, i'm no rafiq anadol expert. I don't know if there is one first of all
I just want to say dude nb as a co-host rafiq anadol is the subject matter. This is a dream leap space, man
I think nb is the prototype co-host because he has that subtle sense of humor
Doesn't do huge monologues like chimes in when he needs to
Um rafiq dude, first of all, I also have to I don't know why i'm showering nb with so many
Flowers tonight, but I got a a rafiq anadol flowers to shower nb for those who haven't heard yet
But you know, my parents live in new york. My mom actually used to volunteer at moma
Um now she's volunteered in another museum
And unbeknownst to me nor or my parents or nb
They visited the rafiq anadol exhibit or the showcase, you know before I got to because i'm on the west coast
And my mom knows that i'm really into nfts
So was searching and asking people at moma if there was an nft connected to the showcase sure enough there was
Um, and when they got to the station or the area
Was the one who helped my mom or my dad. I don't know. I think my mom actually walked through the
Minting process. Oh, go ahead. He was not going to get his nft if I did not uh
Intervene they were struggling man
I'm chill i'm giving you compliments. My parents are cool people. Um, but um, but yeah, I know that's that's good
Yeah, rafiq. Look, here's the thing. I think actually
the art the art, um part of nfts and
And rafiq is like a microcosm of that I think is
how all these nft valuations play out right because
So first of all rafiq is like one of the most respected artists by individuals and institutions
So some of the even like, you know top financially performing
Quote nft artists. They all look up to rafiq, right? They all like reference like rafiq's the og etc
But also then you have like moma and other large institutions who collect his work. He's also a professor at ucla
Like so he's you know, very well respected in both the traditional and the new art world
So with that look most art when you collect it
It's not like you don't see like crazy flips every day. Like that's not how most art markets work
I don't think it's how this art market will play out long term either. Why because
the value that usually is attributed to
An artwork is kind of the delta between the artist career today and the artist career in the future
When the artist has created more value by building up his or her career, right?
The difference between warhol and basket day one to warhol and basket way into their career
Went from literally zero when they were handing out artworks to tens hundreds of millions of dollars, right?
And I think that that's the authentic organic growth of art valuation
Which I think will seem more of in the nft world
And I think it just often I think this is not a reflection of the artists or even the brands on the collectible side
It's a reflection of of the collect of us collectors and overall
And what our intentions are once, you know, the nfts are in our custody and what we decide to do with it
I think rafik is is navigating this in the in
Better than actually any brand or artist because he's now created what's called the rafika and adult collector club
And that's why like I think you know nb
I think you mentioned a while ago that you were collecting a lot of the moma ones because
There's going to be like kind of I guess a claim or a burn and he's building out this whole world called data land
It's going to be a physical and digital
like experience and installation starting in los angeles
And you know access to data land will be driven by
Those who've collected his prior works that form his collector club
um, and he's also very mathematical so even when like the space x drop went live like that was like
Given a priority to people who had collected his prior works and he like ascribed like various like numerical formulas to each piece
So when you went onto a site and logged in you were like put into this tier
It wasn't just like oh you collected one or two of my works because he distinguishes between you know
One of ones versus limited editions. I don't know as you can tell i'm a huge fan
Because he's so like deliberative and intentional about the messages that he conveys and he's not here to
But I think even if he didn't like if he did like he's not here for the financial gain as a primary motivation
Sure. It's a part of the motivation
But he's here to expand like what art could be and he's helping us reimagine what art could be
Um, the last thing i'll say is like I know everyone talks about the moment exhibit. It's amazing
Probably my my favorite art exhibit. I probably have ever gone to in my life was he um
Had an installation a showcase at our tech house
They have one in miami new york, but the the one in in new york was the one i'm referring to
And the entire room that you were in and it's pretty big
Was completely project i'll pin it up to the top projection mapped with his data driven art and I mean
It was just you were inside of his art
That's what it felt like. I mean if I could I would just like like live there for a week
But um, but yeah, he's he's quite amazing
No, i'd love to hear it. No, it's great insight and
Yeah, I don't know it kind of makes me want to buy some pieces
I want to know more about what he thinks about his own nfts
Like I wonder what he thinks does he
Like his non-nft stuff more or does he like his nft stuff more?
I think a big problem with this is we have no way to display it and this is something we've talked about justin before too
like if I buy this nft just sits in my wallet and
Really, the only thing it can be used for is I don't know like a financial instrument and maybe flip it for more later
I wish there was a better way for me to
Like if I have something on my wall
At least I can look at it and I guess I could put something on my wall with an nft too
But I don't need to buy it to do so
Just one note about that so I 100 agree
I think one of the innovations that and not just innovation because the the hardware is already there
It's it's it's but they're very expensive. So
The adoption of hardware meaning like um really innovative digital screens that can show artwork beautiful beautifully or projections that are lower cost
Um, I think will drive a lot of adoption
so it's interesting the first nft that I purchased from a fig I so I have a
I have a wall that in my place that I can project some pretty large art and I had like a basic projector
And it didn't do the artwork justice. So I kind of took it off
Um, but um, I think i've pinned down your space before he's also like a partner with
Um an art partner with lg and samsung interestingly
So he gets access to their new screens before anyone else does and he's now testing still because it hasn't gone to market
I visited studio like a year and a half ago these transparent frames
So when you turn it off, it looks like a window like you literally can see right through it
when you turn it on it displays the art beautifully and the
The significant advantage to those is that because it's frameless and there are other types of frameless screens
It that the aspect ratio doesn't matter much
So you don't get the like resizing or cropping or black bars on the side
It just looks like beautiful regardless whether it's a circle a square rectangle any proportion
um, so yeah, but I do think yeah, we need to we need to
uh have these these frames that are that are
Uh less expensive just like when you know flat screen tv's first came out
They were like massively expensive right now. You can get them for a few hundred dollars and I hopefully we see that with digital frames
I mean we've had this conversation so many times even you know
if we do start living in a
Metaverse or digital world or even if people just start using things like on cyber or other side a lot more
Then I guess it makes sense to have you know, you can display it there and you can show that it's tokenized and all that good stuff
So anyway, shout out to Rafik. I would love to get Rafik on the space one day
I think that's kind of like one of the one of the dream guests because he's been here before
Before even like nfts were a thing. He was creating digital art and and so were many people but
Maybe the transition for him wasn't as smooth as like someone like a beep or whatever it is
Or maybe he just didn't really care that much because like to be honest
I first heard about Rafik from from you Justin then I obviously looked into him and things like that
But I don't really hear him get talked. Maybe i'm not in the right circles
Maybe not in the right circles. So
Yeah, and shout out to nb again for alpha like I collected
I collected a digital artwork from Rafik that predates his nfts because of nb
Like there's this platform called sedition art
That is actually now transferring a lot of their artworks to the blockchain literally like you can get
Day winners and Rafik and adults and kc rays for like a few hundred dollars, which is wild
Um again, it's interesting right because that actually that proves kind of what's happening here
It's the digital art that you you know
Own in this new sense, but it's not connected at least yet unless you transfer it over and migrate and nb has done this with his
Um to an nft right so it does it has a token removed from it
So people are just valuing the art, right?
So it's an interesting experiment to see well when you add a financial token to it
How does that change the price and what are people actually valuing the art or something that points to the art?
Sorry, I was muted. Um, no, I mean I agree with you. I agree with you
I think and also what justin just spoke on is major alpha. This is called sedition art sedation art
Sedation yeah sedition sedition and and nb can speak more about it than I do because he's no he's collected and migrated some of
His works to the blockchain but founded by the former founder of sachi art, um and verus arts like really really, um
Important person in the art world. It's from 2011
Which predates the nfts so it's a database back system
For like validation still authentic. It's just a private ledger, right?
But they've been moving everything over to ethereum, which has been really cool
But uh, yeah, there's steals all over there, but the entire art market leap there steals
like for any big traditional artist who has nfts all you have to do is hedge and it's not a
far hedge after these moma and lacma, um exhibitions
This digital art is just going to be or nfts
Are just going to be perceived as a new medium in which case the value of it would align more with the collective volume of their work
In which case it's grossly undervalued right now
So from a profit perspective
There's a lot of potential for like growth, but there's also a lot of potential to collect these huge artists
If that makes sense. No, it makes sense and just to
Put it simply and tell me if i'm correct about this essentially a platform pre nfts pre block chain
They're having digital art there. It's a private ledger. However, you want to put it and
The art is being sold there and they're transitioning
Some of the things if not everything over to ethereum and what we consider traditional nfts
And you can purchase stuff before the masses really know about it and it's it's not like new right?
This stuff has been there for a minute
uh, so that is actually major alpha to be able to purchase some of these artists work for a couple hundred dollars is unheard of
Is unheard of but then you have to ask yourself the question. Are you buying these because of
Like a and honestly, dude, fuck it
Instead of spending like another three four grand on goddamn shit coins that are going to go to zero
I might just put three four grand into some art off sedition art. Yeah, it just seems like a much better
Like you'll get a I like the animated refiques like i've always connected with his work in person
It's always been animated. So the stills don't really fit with me
So I like the animated ones to get an animated one on ethereum right now
15 seconds animation is going to cost you like 1.5 to 2 eth
Whereas you can go over to sedition and get a four minute and 30 second long
animated piece for like two to four hundred dollars
The moment supervised that that's anim. That's actually one of my favorite this the spherical animated. That's that's lower cost, right?
Um, yeah, but I then I but I want to always keep that that that unsupervised is probably my favorite piece of his
And it's one of the lower cost ones
I don't even I don't know if they've released heavy. They resolute details about the burn. I think it's next week
Okay, so I don't have to get a few more but that one is lower than one eth, right?
It jumped up to 0.3 after he tweeted about the burn
But yeah, it's a really strong piece, but the burn mechanic itself is stronger
Also, how the fuck are these milady derivatives doing five thousand ethereum volume?
Like I don't even what is there's like a whole world of nfts that we don't even know about
Maybe it is the world. Maybe they control everything we're doing and we just didn't realize it
They control the pepe market. They control now the nft market
Like what like did we did this just like were we all too afraid to like like go within a thousand feet of them?
So we didn't realize what was going on over there. I honestly that's what i've been hearing
I've been hearing that milady's kind of control everything from the underworld, which could be true
Who knows? Honestly, I I hear it from a lot of people
They just say it hush hush and they won't say it on spaces
Just say it in like dms and in person and things like that. So
Um, okay. Well, look I actually wanted to go over the top 10 trending things on openc right now
First one is notable pepe's which is that I think there's one by vincent van doe that they sold
How many of these did they sell?
237 000 insane. I think the mint price was like 0.0069 something like that
Uh, and then you have knock amigos, which are 0.2, right? Actually no mong's nft
Which there's this mong's coin. I don't know if y'all saw this. It's like 180 mil market cap
I don't know what the hell they're doing but that is a pretty high market cap
And then trump digital trading cards series two are now 0.04 and they're trading at number three
These redacted remilio babies, which is like a milady derivative at 1.1
East then the pepe editions by matt the creator of
Of pepe himself and knock amigos at 0.2 me bits 2.3
What are we thinking about me bits or me bits?
I mean their latest release is amazing those
You can change the moods on your me bits now, um with this script that they implemented and it changes on all the platforms, too
Super cool. Wait, the art looks different for me bits. Did they update it?
No, well you can update it right so you can go into they have this like me bits platform
It's such a cool site do a lot of things with your me bits because they have all the 3d files and etc
But you can now select the mood for your me bit, um and change it whenever you want and then it's reflected. I haven't
But also danny green who like, you know was previously running me bits down now as the head of brand at me bits at yuga
A genius genius level business guy. Um
But yeah, I think they're doing cool stuff
Dude, I have not been on the me bits listings and dude go to open c and click on any me bit within the collection
And look what shows up like it's this whole like experience experience now. It's not just the nft
Yeah, I did not know that they were doing what so what's the deal with me bits?
What is you could does anybody know what they're trying to build with them?
so if you go to I would go to their website because you can see a lot of things that you can actually
basically manipulate your me bits create, you know
And and the idea is that you like they want to leverage this for people to you know, create their own
stories and and worlds around their me bit character, so they've been building a lot but then also
There was like there's a me bits prop house where like for example
bailey tattoo a lot of you know from like the yuga community built a blender me bits plug-in to
um, you know basically without knowing much about the technical know-how blender be able to like
Uh create like do you know and and and change and modify your me bit? Um
Long term. I also think I don't know. This is just complete speculation. But the fact that like they're uh from the get-go
voxel-based, um and through each 3d
I think that you know come other side it could be an interesting like collection to look at
Dude, me bits are fucking cool. I did not realize
Like I just I don't know if they updated the art or the way they're displayed
But go look updated literally like yesterday or two days ago. So you're not you're not far bond
So it's really recent and they're so cool. Some of these are really incredible
I did not remember them looking like this. You can also choose what if it's like
Um full like pfp or if it's full body, I think or something like that interesting
Yeah, they are expensive though. That's the only thing. I think they were cheaper at one point, but they've they've always kind of
I don't know. They've always been around this price
But me bits are really interesting to me because it is a larva labs product
I mean obviously owned by yuga now and it's just this quiet like nobody really hears about them
But it looks like they're doing some cool shit. So is there a me bits community?
Is it like do people actually yeah, there's a me bits doubt. It's still running that that predated the yuga acquisition
So there's someone else who runs that?
Yeah, there is there isn't like they also have like
They usually have the more
They're really understated right like kind of as you mentioned like people don't talk much about them
Like the the joke internally is like they're like the stable coin because of the nfts because they don't like move
They don't have much price action movement up and down. But um
But yeah, they're more intimate meetups when they you know
Whenever the conferences are are probably some of the best ones like the last one
It's always run like led by danny
Um, like I got there super late at nftnyc
I just saw illa at a table like on a bench and I just like sat down right next to him and um
Everyone that was at that table was just talking about like yuga corporate stuff
I was like, whoa. Wait, is this the me bits meetup? And he's like, yeah
I'm but i'm like, oh man, I thought I just interrupted a yuga meeting
He's like kind of both because that whole table was just like all the senior execs at at yuga like including daniel the new ceo
And and but overall there were probably like I don't know 30 40 people at that event
Uh, but it was just you know, a lot of the heavy hitters were there
So there is a glitch right now with the me bits
Where on ipad it's not loading their listings, but it will load on my mobile. So i'm not entirely sure what's up with that
Second of like it just it gets there's this loading bar animation that happens when you open the listing
It looks really cool, but it gets stuck there. So they got to fix that second of all
Am I reading this correctly if you go to the me bits listings and you store up a highest last sale, dude
These me bits are selling many me bits sold for over 10
Oh, this must have been when it was a lot cheaper, I guess but over 14
000 wrapped ethereum am I
Am I misunderstanding something? How could it sell for over 14 000 wrapped in many of them sold for that much?
When when did these last sale?
Um a year ago, that doesn't even make sense
That doesn't even sounds like a glitch
No, I mean it may be but um, there's many of them that sold for well over 5 000 ethereum 800 ethereum
These are crazy expensive these alien ones 400 600 ethereum when eth was four grand
I mean the prices are out of control. Um, I want to throw it to valacy valacy. Good to see you
What do you think about me bits?
Actually, I don't know too much about me bits but shorting pepe I do know about that
I'm having fun today. That's maybe the leap. I've been waiting for this opportunity for a while. That's all but uh
Make sure you guys take your profits
Shit's running wild on these mean coins. Um, be safe out. There's tons of rugs
from what i've seen in the malady's
Community is they're quite
Bullish with each other and they they stick together. So it's a very strong community and stuff and
Thanks, valacy. You know glad you're making money on these coins. The leverage stuff is is really interesting, too
Uh to one of my friends today about shorting them
And it's I don't really know the process of shorting something like pepe
But if I could I would short the fuck out of pepe
Like I'm not that I think it's going to go away because I think pepe could easily hit a five billion dollar market cap
But I do think that there is going to be a retrace there always is before it hit a billion
It went down to 500 million before it hit 600 million it went to 300 million
So I actually think pepe is one of the strongest things we have right now
But I think a retrace is also possible and I think it would be healthy
Like let the bigger holders liquidate some of their holdings. Let new people get in. I don't think it would be bad
Also, I saw a post by I think it's nate alex
And I want to get I don't want to get too far away from the art stuff
But I do want to read this real quickly and we can actually segue this into the art
But a 1 million market cap on a shit coin is a 0.05 eth floor on a 10 kpfp collection
A 20 mil market cap is a 1 eth floor
And these are benchmarks to consider this tweet from nate alex
So 20 mil market cap is a 1 eth floor. So a 100 mil market cap would be a 5 eth floor
So if you look at something, that's like a billion dollar mark
And I know this is very arbitrary like comparing a coin market cap to the floor price of an nft
But I do think it's interesting
Um, but I want to throw it over to arcanic arcanic. Good to see you. What do you think?
I actually just recently joined but I heard you talking about me bits earlier
I think a lot of the price action you're seeing on me bits is a result of uh, you know, forgive me if i'm mistaken
But this is my assumption
I believe that me bits also had a fair share of wash trading on looks rare when the platform, uh first came out
Similar to how you had uh salt with punks and stuff like that and people were paying
You know egregious amounts of eth for punks
But I think I think it was kind of something that people did to uh, get more looks rare
Oh because they did zero percent royalty, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Um, so yeah, that's pretty much why you see them for such high prices
But regardless, I mean obviously the grail me bits have gone for pretty good prices as you know as it suggests, but
Um, yeah, I just wanted to comment on that and actually dude secondly
I mean i'm kind of I have kind of a bad bias about pepe, you know
Because I literally fucking tripled my money last night, but I try to be objective, right?
Um, I think having a correction
Would be in the books. I'm not counting it out
I don't think it's going to be a straight shot from where it is now 1.2 billion market cap all the way to five bill
Uh, we're probably going to go down. I think one billion market cap is going to be a natural barrier for people
Um in general dude, it's been absolutely amazing like seeing all these people's stories on my timeline, bro people, you know
When it's like here's the thing this is this is kind of what i've noticed and like let me know if you guys have
It's like when you see somebody
Uh make like a significant amount of money on like nfts
You know like like a ridiculous amount of money you'll you'll hear them like posting about it. But
You probably don't see them getting as much support from like the overall community like that. Like everyone's congratulating them
I just haven't seen that in a while. Obviously the market is dead, right? But even still
But like dude i've been seeing all these people's stories about like pepe and turbo and then hitting like crazy amounts of money
I everyone is just like super happy for them
I mean i'm sure a lot of the good people are happy for them
But that's just been something pleasant i've been seeing on my timeline, bro
And like i'm seeing a lot of people like hella happy for those who made gains
And uh, you know kind of I don't want to say giving opium to those who didn't but you know kind of comforting and
Being like there's plenty of more opportunities bro. Just get in while you can
But dude, it's been it's been a beautiful week, man
I think I think this is we needed something like this in web 3 honestly. We needed it back
So it's interesting I don't even do you consider what's happening with these with these meme coins
Um, I feel like it goes shit coin level up to meme coin
So you see what's happening with these meme coins?
Do you consider this web 3 and like really what is web 3? So here's if you look at turbo
Sorry, I think turbo is a great example of something that was created by an artist
so I actually would maybe consider it closer to like the nft realm than
maybe a lot of the other shit coins, even though maybe pepe is also similar to nft is because
Peppe has been very prevalent across a lot of different collections by a lot of different artists
Um, but turbo the story there is really interesting if you looked at the interview by
Nft statistics that's really good
The artist name is uh ray, uh mankind
I'll have to check it out. If you actually said me send me the info. I'm glad that'd be good
I'll throw an organic. I mean, what do you think do you think this is web 3 or how do you consider this?
Uh, firstly I faded turbo, unfortunately
So gen wealth missed and i'm kind of coping about that
But you know, like I said mad props to everybody who made money secondly leap to your question
I think that this is something that I heard from someone else on another space
So that kind of opened my eyes to this and gave me a little bit more perspective
I feel like us as a community largely a lot of us are nft people
What web 3 really encompasses we think that it's as limited to like the the start and end of web 3 is just
I think that's much larger than just nfts
I mean web 3 kind of extends towards crypto the blockchain this community that we all have because
It's not like us being in nfts
Is just us being in nfts us being in nfts is in inherently. We're also integrated within crypto twitter
Crypto twitter is nft's crypto twitter is mean coins crypto twitter is shit coins crypto twitter is you know
Alts and you know the the blue chip coins and I think with this shit coin like meta dude that's going on right now
I think yeah, man. No, this is this is definitely fucking a part of web 3
Maybe other people have different takes but I think first of all, I was actually going to release a tweet about this
You know funny we mentioned it right now because I fucking saved it into the drafts for like tomorrow
But it's crazy how uh, we underestimate
Fuck actually just like lost completely lost my train of thought but I was saying yeah, it's it's crazy how um
Fuck man, sorry. I'm like a little fucking high too, but i'll get back to my point. I'm sure i'll remember it
No, no worries. Trust me. I'm right there with you. Um
So you said something I thought was kind of powerful like we needed something like this in web 3
And this is what i'm wondering everyone's making a lot of people are making a lot of money
You know like majority chance that if you were on crypto twitter at any point in the past three weeks
You probably either bought or sold pepe at some point
Now I didn't because i'm a fucking idiot like literally because i'm a dumbass
And i'm just thinking to myself over and over again, like how the fuck did I fade this thing?
It's just every time like it went to 50 mil i'm like, there's no way 50 million mark. That's a lot of money
It goes to 100 mil. Okay. Well, this has to be the cap
150 mil. Well, this is just insanity. They're cheating the tokenomics influences are pumping it
250 mil. Okay. Well this maybe dex tools is glitching like coin market cap like something's happening that 500 mil
Well, what the fuck bonk went to 500 mil and then it collapsed. So this has to be the peak
800 mil. Well, you know, this is dead cap balance, you know, it's there's no way it keeps going 1.2 bill
Well, this is just insanity then finance listing to bail and i'm like, all right, fuck I faded generational wealth
This shit's about to run and if a bull market really does come back
If ethereum pumps if bitcoin pumps and pepe still is relevant at the time, dude
A 10 15 20 bill market cap is pot. Like it's actually possible
That's the crazy part about this and there's people who are up millions right now, dude
There are going to be people that we know from our community that end up cashing out 10 to 20 mil on this thing
It's it's insanity. It's like actually insanity
Yeah, did you see thread guy's tweet that he would have been up like several million dollars
But he sold when it was at like a five million dollar market market cap. Trust me
He told me in person this morning
I walked out my door and literally he's sitting with his hand his head in his hands
Like just like like sick to his fucking stomach because he would have been up 1.7 mil off 1500 bucks that he put in
I mean dude i've been there. I would have been up 20 mil on shiba. I had million doge like i've
I've fucking been there and it is not a great feeling and i'll be completely honest with you
In 2021 when I sold all my shit before the pump
I legitimately like it took me months to get over it now
Maybe it took me longer than it would take other people but it legitimately I couldn't sleep
I couldn't fucking sleep and it wasn't just like one week or two weeks or three weeks
Shiba and doge they were pumping for months like it was slow in the beginning
But it was a slow burn and then eventually it really popped off and it just here's the thing
You have no one to blame but yourself if you don't get in early
Okay, you made a mistake, but you have we had three weeks to make a decision
Pepe has been pumping for like basically two three weeks at this point. Maybe two weeks. I don't know how many days it's been
Um, so there's opportunities
I and i've been talking to a thread guy about this so much recently and he actually tweeted about this. I think today
If you think and I tweeted about this yesterday as well
If you think too logically and rationally in the nft in crypto space, you don't make money
Like there's two ways to look at it
You can be like a very fundamental technical analysis trader who's like using bots to like spot trade this and that and scalp and meb
Jared from subway dot eth whatever the fuck or
You just fucking d gen and you're just there and you're participating and you just buy everything
And if you buy fucking everything and you don't go too heavy you win
This this is the mistake I made in this last shit coin cycle
Is that I hit it decently big on one coin?
And not huge like just a few eth whatever it was. It wasn't wasn't anything massive and
Instead of just doing what I so how did I hit big on that one? I was doing like 0.05 0.1 maximum on everything
Right the maximum and if you get in at 200 300k market cap or even lower then you can do decently
Well, the problem was I made that eth
That couple eth and I started to get fucking cocky and I wanted the wins to be bigger
And I expected all the next coins to perform the same
And I was throwing instead of 0.1 or 0.05. I was throwing 0.4
Dude that just snowballed into like it all it all kind of went downhill on one single night where like during the day
I I don't really d gen as much i'm busy. I'm doing stuff at night
I'm just like sitting in my bed, especially after the space and I just get this fucking temptation
To just throw eat that stuff because I want to fucking win and I want to make money
And doing that i'm just being as honest and candid as possible
Like it's just fucking degenerate gambling and it
I just made mistakes and I lost the money and I just got scared
And that's why I didn't get back into pepe because I just was like fuck. I got burnt so many times
I don't want to get burnt again
Um, so yeah, but and leap also you mentioned like, you know, you know, everyone had three weeks, etc
I think it's also though important to point out that obviously hindsight, you know 2020 like this
It could have ended up quite differently, right?
But it ended up obviously in a great place for for everyone who kept um, their funds in there. And so you like
Reversed three weeks ago. No one anyone who said it's definitely going to get here didn't really know that
you know, some people had more conviction than others, etc, but
No one was right or wrong back then right?
And when you just look at things in hindsight
It looks like a completely different picture than it looks like looking forward
The other thing is like everyone is in a different financial position, right? So those who maybe like
Put in and maybe shouldn't have but like or should have because they made a lot
But let's say like, I don't know let's say five thousand dollars like and then get fearful
Whoa, they don't want that to go down to zero
That person might you know rationally maybe the right thing to do is just uh to take it out
Uh, but you know someone else who five thousand dollars doesn't you know make much movement in their, you know, financial well-being
We could just leave it in there. And if it goes down to zero doesn't affect them if it goes to millions or
Multi-millions, then you know, the upside is worth it
So I don't know anyone who's beating themselves up on like, you know, not I guess, you know participating either at all or enough
I think you know, just like keep in mind that it is hindsight, you know, what everyone's kind of looking at now and then also
There are a lot of other opportunities and opportunities to also these are a lot
This is yeah, like gambling right and the way I approach gambling in any sphere like Vegas, etc. Is like
I'm putting aside a certain amount of money for entertainment and
If I lose it all at least I was entertained if I make a lot of money great, you know icing on the cake
I know that's a hard psychology to go through stuff like this. But
Um, you know it if you can get there, it's a really healthy approach
um, and there are a lot of opportunities to like just earn a lot of revenue by building things as well, you know, rather than
Just participating in a lot of things that may hit may not
So that that's kind of the realization. I remember threadman and I were
And like it's it's kind it's not really that coincidental that both of us did not buy and that we also live together
Like we obviously talked about it in person
And both of us disagreed like we're not going to take like we're just like we're not going to do this
Like it's too late blah blah blah and maybe that kind of fed into
That decision of not buying in and I think just trying to analyze that and be cognizant of why we made that decision was
It's important. Uh, but secondly, Justin, I mean, this is something we've been talking about so much recently
There's like a few ways to make money in this space and then I want to go to the hands
I do want to hear Jonas take as well and OG
Dude, there's a lot of like I don't want to I don't like to think of things strictly in profit
But I like to make money so does everybody else because it's the best way that you can
Kind of improve your life and the people around you
Building stuff is still the best way to make real wealth
Like yes, there are gonna like these are like once in a lifetime things
Like it feels a lot closer to us like Kevin who's one of my best friends in the whole fucking world
He I mean he did generational wealth on this thing
Um, so it feels very close to me. Like I had lunch with Kevin today. Like it feels very close
I'm seeing it in front of me
Right, but for the most part the amount of people that made that much money
I mean, it's not like thousands and thousands and thousands of people
Right, like most people put a couple bucks in once it was already up
Like there are people who are in early, but it's very small amount of people
But because we are so close to it
It feels like that's the only thing that we could like that's what we have to do
Like this is the only option is we're seeing it in front of us. We're missing out. We have to do it
but truthfully the best way and the
To to get like huge amounts of wealth is like you build something or you have equity in a company that does really well
Or you exit or something of that nature
That's that's really how you can make it and in a much more solid sustainable way
But the truth is fuck it is hard to build something like jonah's building something. Justin's building something
We have a lot of builders and kiero's buildings
There's a lot of builders that come on the stage and talk about this stuff
especially if you want to take something and eventually raise or exit or whatever it is it is so difficult and
You know, we've been trying to build something here for a minute
And it's just like every step of the way there's a bump there's a problem
I feel like being a founder is just figuring out how to fix these fucking problems
And how to manage personalities and the people you're working with so
Anyway, I want to go to the hands. I I do want to throw it to og and then we'll go to jonah og
Yo, uh, I just want to touch on uh, some stuff. I can't accept
Uh, how like it's it's so nice to see these people
Like to see people on the timeline coming up big on pepe. Yeah, I didn't get in
Unfortunately, you know, maybe this is coke
But uh, it's still like really nice to see people like make a lot of money like change their lives type deal
And uh, I explored like an interesting conversation with uh, this andrew
Like if this was an nft project
Or uh something that if you made a post about it you could affect the price
Uh, it would be a lot different
quote unquote shilling pepe 24 seven, but
Nobody really cares because one person talking about pepe isn't going to directly affect the price. It's at such a big
conversation really interesting because
like, okay, like the formula that we came up with is like
Like somebody shilling it directly affects
What happens to a like the price of whatever it may be a shit coin, uh in an ft
It's like negative or like it's perceived as negative but because like it doesn't directly affect pepe
Anybody can talk about it and it's like widely accepted
And I just I just think that's really interesting because like if had it been an nft it wouldn't be seen this way
No, I actually agree with you. That's fucking that's a really interesting way to think about it because it's true
Right. So like if somebody's shilling so you don't actually see this that often where like every person is shilling one specific thing
Doesn't happen that often if ever and when people do like if i'm up here like pumping an nft project
Which I don't like there's only a couple projects I talk about like truthfully like maybe I talk about pudgy's
De-gods use things like that. We talked about yuga crypto punks
But like I have to like azuki whatever I feel like real confident that this is at least going to be here for a long time
Um for me to talk about it not because i'm like some other worldly or like my opinion matters so much
But no, I have to just be comfortable with whatever it is
But with these and same with most people most people feel that way
They're not gonna post about an nft especially if they don't hold it unless they're super confident or they like but with the pepe thing and
I was fighting it so hard
I mean, I was just salty coping bitter and this morning thread and I like after his space
We just like sat around and we talked for like an hour
And we're just like trying to like, you know hash it out and figure it out and see see why we made the decisions
That we made and just see where we're at
And I came to a realization where it was like, okay
We didn't get in on this thing. It's fine. We didn't make money on it
It's fine. Like we're still here. We're still doing what we got to do, but that doesn't mean we can't participate
So I immediately started firing off pepe tweets
Like I fired off like five tweets today that involved pepe. They got good engagement. They were fun
It was you know what I mean? Like you can participate even if you don't
Have any pepe or you can just buy a couple bucks if you feel like it like at a certain point
It's like okay, maybe you're not gonna make generational life-changing wealth, but fuck it
I'm down to be like I don't have to perform at the show. I'm down to just attend the show
Right. So that's that's another way to think about it as well
It doesn't have to be like black or white you can see gray, right? It doesn't have to be on or off
There's there's a middle ground somewhere and you can have fun and participate in the community because it's like
Are you going to be that person standing on the outside of the party?
Just like mad that the music is blasting mad that the music's loud calling the cops noise complaint
Or even checking their phone on the wall of the party like ah, man
You guys are dancing. You guys are so weird like no, bro. Just joining the fun
And just go in there just to have a couple drinks and and start dancing to have a little fun and it look
I haven't been i'm not like an og in the space, but I was I talked on the phone with blau last night
We were on facetime for like two hours and we were just chatting about this stuff
He was telling me about you know, how many things that went up and down whatever whatever it dude
If you're here for a long period of time, you're gonna see a lot of things that move like this
It's just not every day might be once a year might be twice a year
But even in the past six months, we had checks we had pepe
We had all the other like derivative shit coins. A lot of them did really well, too
Um, it comes down to information
This is why I was frustrated and we'll go to jonah
Like I checks called to me at 0.05 pepe. Oh pepin at 0.01 pepe at two mil
Like if you have i'm just gonna start acting on information a little bit more
So that's on me, but it comes down to if you have the information you can make money
So who are the people that have the information? Like how did people know about turbo because they were just on twitter
It's just on twitter. Like I went to threat and I spoke at vegans
There was like an nft irl twitter space thing. Essentially. It's like streamed on twitch
By the way, if you're in venice, they do it every thursday in la it's super cool
I mean vegans the fucking goat they have a real operation that they're doing there
Haven't seen anything like that in a long time
But dude, I was talking to a ton of people there and so many of them had bought pepe and fucking turbo
And things like that because they're active they're present. So that's what it comes down to jonah. Good to see you
What do you think about all this?
I think it's fun to watch
I don't think you and threat need to sit there and wonder why you didn't execute. It's just gambling
It's really not anything more than that
It's a fun thing to gamble on which i'm entertained by i'm not like shitting on it, but there's no, uh
Hidden philosophy as to how you miss this alpha
A bunch of people bought in it's not normally supposed to reach this high
It did probably through something related to the algorithm or some major whale who bought in
The fact that they're getting exchanges to
You know be market makers
It's just a matter of luck
There really isn't any other thing for you to think about about it. It's fun
It's cool to see people make money
But it's really it's not it's not more complicated than that and you know, uh
You just you didn't roll rng. It's just what it is
And it's not something to really care about like you shouldn't beat yourself up about it
We've had like 20 tokens do this
This is just the coin of the month
And maybe it does come close to doge and maybe it stays around but
I wouldn't really worry about it
I mean I agree disagree on this one
I mean, I think there is something to be said about analyzing why you make certain decisions
Like sure there is rng like if you were around at the right time
You're a logical person who decided not to throw their net worth an immune token
Some people had the the discretionary income to do it
Some people put it all in black
But it's not more complicated than that
I mean, I mean maybe to a certain extent like maybe if you got it in day one
There was an aspect of oh i'm not going to just put my money in this random brand new thing
But like being able to recognize trends
Listen to this. This is going to blow your fucking mind. Maybe it not maybe not but it blew my mind
I was on google today and I think it was daniel got hits that posted this and he said if you type in how to
On google the second thing that comes up is buy pepe coin. I said there's no way that's real
So I pulled on my laptop and I typed in how to and the first thing
To buy is the first thing that came up was how to buy pepe coin. I said, okay
Maybe my laptop knows that i've been searching coins or whatever because it's attached to my apple id which I use my phone to search for things
Let me go incognito mode go incognito mode type in how to the first thing is buy pepe coin
I pulled up another device that I have that doesn't ever do anything crypto related or search crypto stuff
Same thing. I said, let me check google trends. I swear
How how to buy pepe coin is the number one search thing in the entire fucking world right now on google trends
Like you know, but twitter wasn't where you'd see the alpha and it wouldn't be reddit either
It would probably be tick tock because there were a number of tick tock accounts about three weeks before this who created matt fury
compilation vods and their animated vods that show different sketches of
Pepe the frog going through an existential crisis
So it's probably started on tick tock and then went to reddit and then it finally hit you on twitter
So you relate to the news anyway
Well, I mean no, I mean we had it we we had it called at like two mil market cap is when it was yeah
I don't know jonah. Sorry. I want to I want to kind of butt in
I think that this is one of the very rare times in which nft like the nft community actually received this alpha
Very early on this is why you're seeing such a large amount of successful people from the nft space who just completely changed your lives
I mean if if it had already gone through the tick tock ringer
We probably would have seen this shit collectively at like maybe like a 20 25 mil market cap
You know, maybe even higher 100 mil or something like that. But no, you're not understanding me
There was no token video you're not understanding there there was multiple viral sketches
with music video themes across facebook and tick tock
Which had a collection of pepe going through an existential crisis and tripping on asset
Then someone made a token a few weeks later and said this is kind of hitting on tick tock
And then what happened is because they saw all those videos all the normies are like, oh, I actually kind of dig that
There are a few things that I think we're forgetting though. One is that matt fury had an open edition
Um with chainsaw a few weeks ago and he minted out like 40 000 pieces
There was actually like a glitch in that and people minted for free some of them
And then the other thing is that
We also have across a lot of these different collections you have pepe happening
So I so you're right. I mean pepe itself is I mean, it's super relevant
It's always been relevant whether there's a coin whether there's not a coin
But I do think it's interesting that the number one search thing on google trends right now
Is like number one and number one or number two depending on the time is how to buy pepe coin
So I agree with you. There's an aspect of like
Maybe you think too logically about it and you're just saying like I'm fucking i'm not gonna risk my money
So you didn't buy it and it can be as simple as that I agree
But then another aspect is like even a week ago once it was already a hundred mil market cap
Which is still a it was a 20x multiple to where it is now or where it was earlier today like
We should have looked at it and said, okay, this is obviously there's something here
We could have looked at google trends. We could have looked at all this different stuff
Um, so to me I don't beat myself up over this. I mean i've been here before many of us have
But it's important to say like why did I not take a risk on this?
When i've taken a risk on so many other nfts and so many other things and for me, this is the answer personally
I felt I was smarter than like what this was
Like i'm just like i'm smart this camp like there's no way this is so dumb
Like there's no i'm too smart to put my money in this and that's just being pretentious and thinking
I know more than the market
But the simple term is respect the pump and I think that's really what should have been done here
And this is where you're going to be wrong because you're going to say this and then go to another token
It'll probably be it will probably not even come close to a pepe. It's the analysis is quite simple
Go to reddit r slash crypto r slash cryptocurrency
R slash memes go to any of the popular reddit ones. They all start on reddit first
And the reddit twitter is not where the alpha is. It's on reddit for this stuff
And you see what memes hit if those memes are
Uh relevant for at least three months. They have an opportunity to become a token
It's really not complicated
Yeah, but it's not simple. It's just being a strong meme and having it. It is that simple because it's just memes
It's just that's what it all it's all just memes
Yeah, but jonah like pep there have been many other pepe coins before this one, right?
So there was something different here that made this take off
so I think a big part of this and
People can believe this or they cannot believe it
But there's 20 fucking developers that know how to make tokens pumped like that have the connections that have the circles because this isn't just
It's not just random like you don't just put a token out and it just does well
That's not the way it works
Like these are like very organized people that put out thousands of tokens thousands of tokens and 99.9
By the way thousands of tokens over years over the last month like shit coins have always been here
They didn't disappear even before pepe dude
I bought a shit coin like two months before pepe that did a 10x
Nobody taught I didn't even see one person talk about it on twitter. It went to zero afterwards
But there's many things like every day there was something pumping
But the difference with pepe and why I think it's just so interesting that it could happen in the bear market
Is this level of attention and momentum is not fucking normal?
I mean the last time we saw this was sheba in you and that was a very unique situation
Where it actually made more sense that it happened there sheba in you came off the backs of gme and amc
Right like it was there was already this narrative of community driven price
Increase like where communities could get together and pump something due through network effects memes
Posting whatever whatever and sheba followed that and did really well and obviously eth was pumping and d5 was going crazy
But like this came in a time where like people were saying nfts are dead crypto is dead to bear market
ftx was just a couple months ago like it it's nuts that something like this could happen and now all the big
Kraken is going to list this in the next couple days
I'm telling you kraken is going to listen the next couple days coinbase is coming soon finance did it today?
But all the all the technical developers like memes, but they don't like nft memes
They like these older memes that are very classic and there probably are
A lot of devs who do have those connections that resonate with pepe. I would bet you there's probably another five or ten memes
They still resonate with it are not even listed because people aren't thinking it like it all
It's either a technical dev or or a financier or defi
D-gen financier who who bankrolls these and pushes it, but they all have a different culture. That is not nft related
I don't think it's nft related. I mean, I think ladies john
I think maybe the maladies are just controlling our entire i would be surprised. In fact, I think a malady token would probably fucking pop
Wait, leap. I have a question for you leap because you've been through like cycles of other meme coins like shiba and stuff
So because earlier you mentioned, um, okay, you wouldn't be surprised and you said there's probably a likely uh retracing here
right and I I totally get like, you know the
um, you know by the rumor sell the news kind of approach but because the latest uptick is because of
Listings on centralized exchanges and it seems like you're confident there'll be more listings on centralized exchanges
at that point like does the
potentials, you know on the demand side, right because now more people will buy through the centralized exchanges
Potentially outweigh in your view like just general retracement or what happened with shiba?
For example when it got listed on the centralized exchanges after a little bit
Was there like a retracement or how did that all play out? It was didn't people dump it?
No, no, I remember it going nuts. I think after it got listed on the big exchanges. It just went parabolic
But there but with shiba there were massive retraces like it would drop 34% in a day quite often
Uh, it's faster by exchange listings
Yeah, i'm gonna find a chart here
It was very hectic back then and there were a lot of and this is what's interesting too because jonah was saying
The memes are strong and the meme is important and another perfect example of this is once
Okay. So like if you open up a door
Like if there's a door closed and a bunch of people standing in front of it
Nobody can get in one person if they open that door now everyone can get in same thing happened with the coins when one pumps
Then the others come look at wojak wojak is an og meme
Right, like it's not just like a random word. It's an og meme
It's it's something that's been around for a long time. It's that like weird image
Just you can google it and see what it looks like
And so after that came it's very similar to pepe and it's in its origin
Like it's like this internet culture me blah blah blah
Um, so I don't know. I mean i'm gonna i'm gonna look up a graph and see but here's the thing
Going from 100 mil to a bill is significantly more difficult to me. I think than going from like one to three bill
Like I think there's like a much more like a mental barrier there where it's like a hundred mil is a lot and a billion is
A fuck ton, but one to three billion isn't that much?
And it does take a lot of liquidity. I guess what i'm worried about is now that my nance listed it
How much of these future listings are priced in?
We know kraken is probably gonna list this because the winkle boss twins literally tweeted out frog emojis
Like is this is not some secret alba. They're like fucking tweeting out frog emojis. Are they kraken or gemini?
Um, we know that they're gonna list it because they're tweeting out these frog emojis
So it's like not some secret thing like people and coinbase already released that they had that graphic is like how to buy pepe
Whatever whatever so we're not just like speculating like these platforms are telling us straight up
They're gonna like they're probably gonna list it because here's the thing
Let's say they don't list it
Then they miss out on all that volume and another it's like it's a race to the bottom
And think about this if robin hood lists pepe. Oh my god, it's gg
Like that shit is gonna go absolutely nut robin hood. I remember when shiba was pumping i've told this story before
Like i've had like cousins in syria
Who like literally don't even access the internet calling me ask me how to buy shiba
What like you need to worry like you need to worry about the wi-fi
So it's wait just one one quick thing. I just want to mention because you said the coinbase how to buy
So binance also does this both coinbase and binance are like amazing seo
Sites, so you can actually type in any meme coin
That's on dex tools. Um, look at the the url at the end and it'll switch it up to that meme coin
So like I just typed how to buy ribbit like they coinbase has a page how to buy ribbit now
Likely they're not ever gonna list ribbit
So but doesn't mean that they're not gonna list it right binance actually did list it
But that's why I was gonna ask you wait, uh, do you have insight on coinbase listing? Yeah
So I did not know that I wonder I wonder if that's how that image
Was first brought about by somebody just doing that that's that's totally possible. I did not know that
Um, so I don't know. I mean, here's the thing somebody who's getting in now
Like what's let's say you put in ten thousand dollars right now. That's a lot of money
It's fucking my rent for the next two months you put in ten thousand dollars
Do we really think that pepe is gonna drop fifty per like a fifty percent drop will be quite a bit
But even if it did drop fifty percent you're losing half five thousand
It's not like the end of the world if you put in five hundred, it's even less
So like the risk seems a lot lower now than if you got in super early which kind of seems counter
The problem with like getting super early is that they have 99 percent just go to zero immediately after you buy them
I don't know how much fucking gensler fucking cope
Chad all these different coins like the moment I bought them. They literally just went to zero
They never like I bought pico top and just like a master of it
So anyway, I want to go look I want to go to valacy valacy. What do you think?
Actually, so reason those went to zero is actually their taxes and stuff. There was like a whole thing on that
Um, i've been following these mean points a little bit for a while. I know I talked to you about stuff
I won't show anything in here. Um, but
The reason like why we did that what we did
Is reason of that is these taxes those tell you the tax is like three percent in this
But it's actually like 10 and 40 sell like um
Like 10 by 40 sell it's like ridiculous some of these taxes and then they'll have it like where their wallets
Don't have any taxes and stuff like you have to like look through this code and stuff
So it's really really hard sometimes to find it within like the fine lines of code
So the key to this though, too is like these med bots. You guys have to watch out
They'll just pretty much screw your price range that you're looking for
So i've used um, it's it's a verified thing. They've done billions in the transactions
You can actually save a lot of money on fees and your actual price that you get in
And um i've used that like this whole time been trading mean
mean coins and stuff, so it's been
very good for me, um on that sense and
How do I see this going I see good
But yeah, a lot of people are gonna get liquidated. I think in these futures. Um, because this shit moves quick and fast
And i'm like watching it and stuff and like you got to watch these like rsi's because it seems to be like bouncing like pepe
It's like 75 rsi and it fucking tanks every time right after that
So i've just been scalping onto that. Um, not financial advice and do your research. Please don't follow my advice. Um,
And yeah, it's just it's been interesting kind of trading in these kind of ranges and stuff
Because you're now trading against a lot of these guys that are traders finance is like a top 500 company in the world now
As well, um, that's a big thing. A lot of people don't realize how big finance is getting like the international exchange finance is
Fucking huge part of my language
But uh, it's just getting bigger and bigger and bigger and people trust it because they have so much bitcoin
And so much money like liquid like actual cash on their hand on crypto side
All their uh, what is it legal work in every country like
Every few months they're like moving in and they're getting better regulations and uh, they're helping against like with a lot of regulations on the back end
And their team here in like the north america. They're looking to expand a lot onto um
real world adoption with uh cryptocurrencies
And they're looking for students. They're going to schools and recruiting people to build
On bnb and blockchain just in general just blockchain, but they're focusing on the bnb chain
But building like real world. They have good games too, by the way
No, the games are publishing. Yeah, their games are really really good
So I I know I got to talk to the community lead and she's like awesome
And they're always like looking to like expand and help people out and you could talk to them directly
Like, um, if you have their information, I can't give you guys information
It's um, it's really cool because they're just talking to them
It's it shows a lot of passion in the crypto market and i've tried to talk to like other exchanges get into the
Trying to understand what their goals and stuff but finance by far is someone that's
As a company is building in this crypto market
For the future for everyone and that's what i'm like kind of bullish on too. And so
I'm kind of a die-hard finance fan as you guys can hear
But that's all I kind of want to say and finance listing pepe is huge
That's all I have to say once finance list things like stuff moves
Just a quick note. You know, it's crazy
Derailed the blend talks like completely dude. Jonah. I was thinking this I was that's great
I was this is the worst thing that happened to blend which is uh, or blur which is kind of funny
I know it's not funny that it's bad. Like no one should get screwed
But you know, you know what i'm saying? Like this was like a big product launch for them
And then like a frog coin just fucking steamrolled them
So it's why I was thinking the same thing. I haven't heard anybody bring it up yet
Yeah, I mean it's I mean, it's nuts. I mean every big project is there's so many big announcement
That's come out recently and it's completely overridden by pepe and honestly like maybe that's a good thing for nfts
Maybe in a way it's like that's gonna make the nft projects and
Never mind. Maybe it's not a good. No, I think it is
I think it's like I think people need a breather from the entire nft industry for like two weeks
because that's the that's the
Memory span of all of us now because we have add like things move every two weeks like new themes
So like let nfts cool down for two weeks and then after people are done playing around with meme coins
They're gonna be like oh, yeah nfts and then like people will be all excited about nfts again
I think most of the reason that nft market and talk and videos and all these things die
Is because they're beaten like it's the same topic over and over. So I think a break
Is actually the best thing for the nft market because then people with fresh eyes are going to come back feeling happy about it again
You know, I think that's so true
When we were talking about rafique anadol earlier tonight and we we had like an hour long conversation about art and we actually started the space
With talking about zero knowledge proofs for like 30 minutes. It was a bit of a shit show, but we were we were talking about it
Like it felt good to talk about art and to talk about rafique and and that sort of stuff
I was like damn we haven't talked about this in I feel like a couple weeks
So I think you're absolutely right just having that refresher
And notice even ai pit like no one's talking about ai right now
Like go look at the search in terms of google search and all this like well, they are the round
They are the turbo because it's parent turbo
But just turbo which is turbo. I saw uh, esophagus guys like write a whole like
Whole ditch like a whole I don't know what you called us a thesis on turbo
But like how it's like the greatest example of art in a troubling time or something
I was like you're over reading this bro. Really nice guy
Like I actually think I actually like some of this guy's writing but he's like man. He's a turbo maxi
I'll tell you what he called it like
Like one of the he didn't say this directly
But I felt like he was getting to the point where I was like this is the greatest like display of art in the last
Like five years i'm like bro. It's just chat gpt and like an ai frog
Jonah somebody somebody told me that so at this meetup we went to and again
If anybody's in la you got to go to vegans meetups on on thursdays. They're really cool
Imagine this but in person and there's no raising hands. There's it's awesome. Like it's actually super cool
They live streamed the whole thing on twitch and also that's when I realized I think there's a reason we like this
It's pretty cool and they have like literally it's just a whole fridge filled of edible drinks
Like drinks that have like everyone's stone. Like everyone's stone. It's it's awesome. Anyway
Um, but that's also when I realized i'm really not good at speaking in person and this is a whole different game too because
I want I wanted to comment on something. I want to go to motivate an archaea
I wanted to comment something on fallacy said in regards to the taxes. Otherwise known as royalties on these tokens
You know with the it's so interesting, right? Like after shiba came out you had
Hokkaido kishu floki all this different stuff and they were doing all this
complicated tokenomics, right they'd have reflections which
reflectionary taxes are essentially every time a transaction is made by or sell and sometimes even transfer would cow
A portion of that total amount would get redistributed among the holders dependent on the total total that you actually held
So it's kind of an interesting concept, right?
And you and you like work to push the token then as people trade you get more and like that makes sense
And then there's other stuff that people were doing just that gets even more complex
But what turned out to be the most effective model was the original shiba model
Which is like kind of what pepe went for unless i'm wrong and somebody correct me
But like no taxes just like fucking put the supply out and people just but like that
Turned out to be the most effective way of deploying a token
And all of these like complex tokenomics that people thought were like all of these different tools that people thought was going to be
The meta when it seems to took it just wasn't it's just interesting that that was the case
Also in regards to turbo at the meetup
Somebody told me in person that like turbo was one of the greatest works of art
That they'd ever seen at like and honestly, I kind of believed them
They were like really convincing like the way they explained it to me like and then the interpolation of the chat gpt
And i'm like didn't he just ask chat gpt if he should write it
But apparently he had chat gpt create the contract
I think he took a shiba fork put it into chat gpt and the chat gpt just like spit it out at him again
And then he oh and this is the key. I think this is why people liked it for like two weeks
He was putting out polls on twitter like hey, what should we name it?
What should we put into chat gpt?
So the community would help create the prompts and they put that into chat gpt
The whole thing was community and it turns out it's not the first ai token though because people did their research
Yeah, I think there's like an sgrg. Yeah, there's one that's like happy year older
So a lot of people who invest on that basis were wrong
I need to bring jonah to every meeting ever that I ever have just because for anything that is like positive
He says the negative and if it's negative he says the positive
But then brings a negative after it that ft warren buffett. I love it. You know a warrant near buffet
Wait, wait, what is our warren buffett token?
I mean wb token we were trying to figure out if it was warner brothers or warren buffett
I'm telling you right now motivate. I have an idea for her token and it would fucking print
I just don't want to get sued
There's a lot of them out there and i've had so many people hit me up asking if we wanted to get back
No, motivate. It's the fuck around and find out meme. No, I don't want to find out. It's not worth it
No, it's the fuck around like like i'm gonna give you i'm gonna give you i'm gonna give you fuck around
And if you lose i'm gonna make a second token and airdrop it called find out
So if you fuck around and you found out you get like the bald guy with like the measuring tape, uh picture on your token
That should just be the logo of the token
but I I think what you guys said earlier with like
influx of nft people into the defi shitcoin token side
Isn't like as random like nft people have digital wallets
So it's easier and faster for them to fund themselves to try something new to copy and paste from coin gecko
or coin market cap or whatever it may be
Even if you know a little bit at least you're a step ahead because you've handled ethereum or bitcoin or dogecoin or whatever it may be
So I think it's it's not or shouldn't be surprising that
You have a lot of early adoption from the nft side of things, but what I do think is healthy
And I don't and i'll say subjectively healthy rather
What I do think is healthy that's happening right now
Is there's a lot of people that took a lot of losses over the last three years in this space
on nfts and on shit coins and everything in between
There's a handful of them that are like
This took care of the debts and the mistakes and the hardship and the other shit that they had to face
because they made moves that were big too big for their shoes or
made choices out of desperation and literally jumped off a cliff or followed people that they thought they could trust and
So I think that there is like a silver lining in those people that really had good intentions and really were
Focused on the art first or collecting and curating first and foremost and using this tech for something bigger
But literally like the one time they were all the dice
it ends up crapping out because it was up to no good from the jump and
Honestly, like pepe has been used as a keyword
So it is at the top of the google rankings and bing rankings and so on and so forth as a keyword like
It's top seo anyways and has been since matt fury released it
But the tick tock videos and the other virality that's attached to
That that all plays a role in how easy and how quick that pops up
Turbo and less fast than the furious is rolling out a new fucking release or some shit
Like turbo is not really a top keyword, right? It's not as common
It's not going to trend and the thing is since there is no face or name to any of this like a kanye iwan trump
Saying some shit that's negative or a tate that's saying something that's controversial or whatever it may be
to drive traffic to their pages until they trend
And then have a call to action for you to buy their spring summer collection or vote for this or unblock that
Behind it other than the pseudo community that's formed overnight. That's protecting their investments, but
Investment starts to fade and starts to dissipate and disappear
You're not going to have people with fucking pitchforks on their lawn defending their frogs
Till the end of times they're going to hop to the next best thing or the new hot thing
Until the next best thing doesn't exist and that's motivate
Would you say they're going to leap to the next best thing?
They might leap to conclusions and off a cliff like some fucking lemmings
But we all know that leaps already a thousand x'd out of it. Wait, is there a top g token?
Yes, there's a top g token, but it got banned in the united states and russia
Andrew tate memes go wild. We need to end your tate token right now. That'll that there's a tate token. It's already blocked
It's blocked but wait wait
But I I do think none of this
Should be coming as a surprise to anyone like that's that's just the key to it
I think it's just another cycle and
The first mover advantage this time is people that spent the last three years
or less learning about blockchain tokenomics metaverses nfts all this shit people on twitter spaces and clubhouse like
They just finally had a win
If they weren't around for the board eight minting or the azuki minting or
The whatever the fuck else minting like so that's that's good
If that gets reinvested in good ways that helps the ecosystem, but realistically we're all deejans
So it's going on black or red or green
So I think so this is that's the biggest question. I think that's the golden question
And thread guy was talking about this in his face earlier
He was saying that he believes that most of this liquidity is just going to get stable coined. It's possible
The question is are is this going to come over to nfts?
You don't really need that many people to take their winnings to nfts for it too
I don't know have an impact
There's been so many people who are prominent within the community that have made millions and millions of dollars
And i've talked to a lot of them and they are planning on buying nfts, but not with the whole thing like I think
Like now i'm hearing so many people they want to do
Higher level stuff that now they have more liquidity more equity
They can you know, they don't have to like speculate on these nfts that are 0.01 0.05
They can actually make big plays invest into companies do things like that
And I think that's pretty cool
That we have community members that have been around for a long time that understand the space that now have liquidity to work with
I think what i'm worried about is
They got there from degenning like they really made this from degenning
Are they going to just degen it away? How many people degen away their 2021 profits?
They don't leave anything for taxes and they fucking degen the rest of it. They grind it back up
they grind it back up, but the good the good part is like
angels and vcs have had very tight pockets and wallets after getting rug pulled continuously and dragged along to projects that never came to life and
That's what like the startup community and the SPAC whole world did and so many others
So I think at the end of the day like to be self-funded independently and being able to come
To create your own mvp or proof of concept through your self-finance thing is a lot better
Than bending over backwards and and shaving off portions of equity in your business
And potentially having your creative control or other things dictated by contracts
so I do think the the good part of this is the people that really
Could use this to be the icing on the cake to be the last puzzle piece exactly will like
Finally have that breath or that break that they need or that vacation that they need that they've never had or haven't had
in a very long time because they've been in this fucking 24-hour casino called web 3 and
realistically, like nobody's to dictate what's right or wrong and how people spend their money or save their money or the investments or
Ideas of what they think is a good choice
but I do think that at large this also showcases the
Like looking into tokenomics and looking into shit coins and looking into the d5 side for the nft side
And then from the d5 side looking into the nft side and ideally
We get new projects that are viable and valuable and sustainable on both sides of the fence
That can work together and I think unfortunately or fortunately
For those that like actually give a fuck
The core component to what is driving things forward up and down and left and right
is community and collaboration
It's the the missing outside of it and even the exchanges are on the fomo side where they're like
Well, if they're over here getting it and they're over there getting it then why aren't we approving it?
Why don't we have it up here?
You know how much we would have made if we did this yesterday or last week
They're playing the same exact game as us
So I think like this is a great
Leveler in a sense that is producing less harm than covet
Ideally and and providing an opportunity for a lot of liquidity to come in that otherwise wouldn't be here because you have
Forced to learn about this if they want to participate they have to they have to learn in order to pay to play
And ideally if they pay to play they don't leave with an L
I you know what's interesting to me as well
It's like okay. Let's just take jonah for example because jonah's up here
Like let's say jonah made three million on pepe and jonah's building a company
They're doing the real third web and all this stuff with gaming like what would happen
Like you just injected three mil into jonah's life
Or let's just say like any like motivate like you throw a band here
You've been doing it for a long time. You organize things you're building your own shit
Let me just injected three mil into motivate what would happen
So that's what i'm really interested in like some of the builders in the space who have now made a decent amount of money
They don't need to go raise. They don't need to go do this a bunch of shady shit
They just have the liquidity and they can experiment and have fun
They have the money to fuck around and find out that's what's super cool
And that's why pepe is so interesting shiba like when shiba popped off. It was so much more defy centric
I'm adamant and I truly believe that a large portion of the nft community is who got in very early with this shit
And that's a big difference between it like something like shiba or a doge
Because even like nfts when shiba was when shiba was popping off
Like I don't even think bordev had minted at that point nfts were very quiet
I'll say one last thing like and I I really hate to say this
Um, because this is gonna sound like the biggest fud ever on anything that i've said since the new year
But I was in a space earlier
Uh, maybe I should say uh, fuck it so
I was in a space earlier with rhett
And he was kind of going through his his process of creating turbo and so on and so forth and
How he's been in crypto since
2012 or 13 or something of that nature has been making art for a long time. It's been on twitter. Uh, I guess
Since 2007 or something like that
Um always been creating art. How's it twitter? Twitter started in 2009
Look at his twitter page. It says whatever
Whatever the fuck it was at the end of the day like he was on stage for a couple hours
answering questions, uh shaking hands kissing babies, whatever the fuck right but um
I asked like what's next? What do you intend on doing?
There's a lot of really amazingly talented people in the space with a lot of different projects that
Really have not been able to complete them because there's been dried up capital
And i'm not someone to tell you how to spend your money or to put it on black or red or whatever the fuck but
Like you know, are you going to do anything for the artists in this space that are really again?
Just very deterred because the marketplaces have already taken advantage of them and exploited them and been predatory in the same way
as the exchanges have in the same way as curators and collectors have and it's just
The whole buzz and awareness and more at the beginning of this came from
The artists that were bringing their audiences in and their communities in and building sub communities and subcultures and all that shit
And he was just kind of like mute about it and like I made my money from turbo
I made my money from pepe whatever
Still invested in one of the two, but I was just kind of disappointed and not surprised to see
No, real lack of like heartbeat or interest in giving back to
Not to say that everything needs to be philanthropic and social impact and that shit
But it was just giving more to the machine and I think the ai wave is very
Opportunistic and privileged to some extent and you know web3 at large has that
undertone and it shouldn't strictly be for the privileged and
opportunistic it should be an opportunity and a privilege that's taken from time and effort and energy learning and
communicating and networking and
Growing with the space and creating in the space within the walls like you can't
Show up if you're not shooting at the gym
Like you can't step foot on the court and I think it was just kind of disappointing to hear
Mentality was to just throw more money at ai
and that just sounds like more money to people that are behind the
Platforms and protocols and more that are producing and developing that which is fine
but that also sounds like money outside of
The ecosystem so to speak that I feel is creator driven and a new creator economy and
Social currency economy that you know, we all kind of live and thrive in and around like that's why
We're in these rooms every day. That's like leap shows up here
I would think for the people and not for the money, but maybe it's for the came what now I'm just kidding but
Like we show up here without compensation to you know mix mingle
And learn something new and talk about things that are moving and shaking that we're excited about and want to learn more about so
To to hear that it was just like really bro
But I don't know who to talk to on the pepe side to have that same
Endpoint which I don't think will ever happen. So it is what it is. I
nobody should be dictating anybody's fun in the space just play responsibly and
You know your dollar is your vote
So just just be mindful of that if something isn't working for you and don't get shamed out of
Making decisions that are against your best interest of your personal life and well-being. That's it
Could I just go interject for one sec?
so one artist to look at his fuck render because he actually said he's going to take his pepe profits and
Put them into creating a new gallery for web 3 artists
So I think that that's a very cool thing that uh, someone who's taking their pepe profits and actually putting them back into the community
Yeah, but he's made a shit load of money off of being early and being around the right people and I have
Like it amends him out of love for fred. I had him on shows in like 2018 2019 like i've witnessed his growth
I've been a fan supporter and more
If that's the case, like he should push everybody that's around him that highlights and champions and platforms him to double or triple or match
Him on that kind of like a 401k for people that work their asses off creating their entire lives
So I this is kind of a little bit of a segue
But I saw this tweet at the top and it's getting copy pasta heavily right now
But I saw it if you might as well just read it out and this is by chris black who i'm not actually super familiar with
Um, I have 141 mutuals with them
I don't really I don't really know what they do, but it looks like they have kind of a popping page
It says coins like pepe don't happen by accident big money powerful people in careful planning goes into creating these scams
You're just a pawn in a much bigger game and games like this have cost many people their lives. Don't be a fucking idiot
Now I just want to comment on this real quick
There's part of this that I agree with a part of this that I absolutely don't agree with
They don't happen on accident, but it's also not as
Like you can't choose for a coin you make to do this level of volume, right?
They create a ton of different coins and they use like the same formula same model
And sometimes it works and most oftentimes it doesn't that being said
The word scam is a really hard like what is a scam?
Right because the thing with pepe that makes it so interesting is that they're not selling you anything
There's nothing there and everybody knows there's nothing there. That's the point
It's not a product. It's not an nft project. It's there's no utility
There's no like underlying intrinsic value
The value is that there are network effects you're part of an overall community and it's like a movement at this
It's almost like a religion
There's a lot of people who look at pepe like a religion
Like it was it's also been adopted by many like far-right groups all right groups
Like there's a big political aspect with pepe as well that that we don't really talk about too much
But you can like pepe and not adhere to some of those beliefs, right? They're separate
Now I do think that there's a lot of hope in this in this tweet
I don't know it just comes off as salty and from somebody who missed out on it
And again, I missed out on it, but I wouldn't call it
Because like what is this what is a scam and I just wanted to know what y'all think about this tweet specifically
So we got to go to arcanic first arcanic. What do you think?
You know, honestly, I have some very strong feelings about this dude's tweet. It makes absolutely no fucking sense. I get it
You know, I I get it. The point here is that he said big money powerful people careful planning
Okay, maybe maybe they have a lot of you know
Fucking money on hand the people who made this coin because they probably also tried a hundred other narratives and stuck around to see what?
You know stuck around, right?
Uh, but I think this is extremely extremely wrong
He said you're just a pawn in a much bigger game and games like this have cost many people their lives
Bro, you're saying that about a shit coin that inherently everybody knows is like a fucking gamble
It's like you're in vegas playing slots, bro. Like, you know, unless you're some naive
Noob trader who's just stepping into the mix like and you don't know any better you think pepe is like fucking bitcoin then
That's another conversation for another time, but he's saying this about a shit coin
But in reality you can apply this same
Corporate jobs to the life that people have stuck in day in day out. They're working salaries
They're not getting any health benefits. They're literally scraping along trying to get every last paycheck
You know one payment is missed or they're delinquent and now their entire social
You know a credit score starts crumbling people are trying to support families or single fathers single mothers
You can apply it to their scenarios, right?
You're just a bigger you're just a pawn in a much bigger game and games like this have cost many people their lives
If you want to give a couple examples
Because pretty much what he's saying is like he's referencing the fact that people have actually committed suicide from these
How many people commit suicide on a daily basis because they can't meet the financial needs
Working at the same nine to five jobs that they're stuck in every single day their boss shits on them
Their employees fucking hate them. They hate their job. They hate what they do. They can't be with their family
I think this is entirely copays bro
I think people like these just fucking missed out and if he was in the position to have made
Half as much money as the next person or one of us or k money for that matter who just completely changed their fucking lives
Uh, I don't think I don't think his sentiment would be the same. So I think this dude is full of shit
I think this dude is probably like a cardano maxi or something to be honest
I love to cardano bro. I'm fucking around. I just had to throw that in there to piss some people
Dad just say like a like a logic based thing. He he's wrong
Fortune cookie teller but because like the math he's the math ain't math and
Uh, this this coins market cap has like what 1.6 to 1.8 billion max
Uh big money does not play
1.8 million market cap games they they pay they play the 20 to 30 billion
Plus games there's no big money here. It's a bunch of medium-sized money
That's playing a game at the casino, but i'm sorry, but the uh in the words of uh,
Succession, uh, these are not serious people
It's just like that's not that's just not correct in any capacity if you want to play big games
There's a couple you can play one is the the big real estate game and then sell at the black rock
Uh because they own a lot of homes in america
That's a big game that people play the other big game is not earning
Like any solid yield in your trad five bank unless you have an apple card
That's a really big game that people play
The other is having a shitty credit score. So someone with a better credit score will subsidize your mortgage
That's a really awesome game to play. There's a lot of really much bigger games you could play
Uh, this is this is not one of them the math dude is not math thing
Jonah I I think that this is like a classic way of you know, trying to
Appeal to people's psychologies. I you see this everywhere, man. You see this shit in the media
You see this shit everywhere. It's essentially dude the game that we're all playing here is a game of psychology and perception
When people make these types of tweets, you know, it's kind of like
It's kind of like there's always a bigger they oh, it's it's them. It's it's the big money, you know
It's the big talks always say the fox always says the mainstream media is after you but they buy
Like based on profits. They are the biggest mainstream media in the united states, which is other than like Newsmax
Which is like fucking hilarious. Like it's like
It's like a racist saying that dude is the biggest racist i've ever seen but like the guy who's saying it is in the kkk
Like that's like this. That's kind of like what you say. It's like ridiculous
Dude, yeah, and and you know, it makes people scared because everyone is already like oh my god, dude government the entire government's corrupt bro
And yeah, fuck. Yeah, it is. I mean the government largely is corrupt
People bring that shit in like think about all the people that you know
try to appeal to people's psychologies in a negative way by saying like bill gates was behind
Fucking covid and he has children in like a sweatshop and he like draws their blood to fuel his life span
Oprah's out here drinking orphan blood like bro, dude. It's so much shit, man
It's like these types of tweets are so fucking like
So full of it man, so pretentious. I mean
Wait, but just to be fair
I think you need to distinguish this tweet from like the super extreme 4chan stuff
I just want to get back to leaps kind of uh, I I like the philosophical question
Like what does scam mean and I I think for me it just comes the reason why I think this tweet is incorrect at least in my
Uh vocabulary is that look when people describe that what's going on is ponzi schemes. Well the difference between
Quote ponzi schemes here and ponzi schemes and you know from the original ponzi in the traditional world
Is that those who are getting dumped on in the in the traditional sense in ponzi schemes?
Don't know they're like participating in a ponzi here
I think everyone recognizes that they're participating in a ponzi or if they don't
I'm, not sure if the fault lies on someone else if they don't realize what they're participating in, you know
Arcanic peter teal apparently does get the blood of a ukraine
It's like a ukrainian gymnast and he injects it into his is like one of the I haven't been reading about this
That's a zero to one strategy right there. He took that book literally
Oh, we've actually we just started thread and I just started reading zero to one great
I should have read it years ago, but um really great book
But okay, so to the scam thing
Justin I think it's interesting right it's like because
Again it goes back to what we said before they're not selling you anything
It's just a fucking everybody knows it's a ponzi which is what makes this so interesting. It's like we all know this is a ponzi
And we're just going to see what happens now when you look at what happened with shiba
What is shiba doing now? Shiba is still a multi-billion market cap significantly bigger than pebe shiba is huge
Right, I think it's like a
What is it 20 percent of crypto comms overall proof of reserves holding is actually in shiba as well
Which is just nuts and I just saw a tweet and this is our news sources
I saw a tweet and it said this so I believe it
But I saw a tweet and it said binance now like they own over five percent of pepe's overall supply
They like they bought a shit ton on the dip
Like here's the thing like I agree with jonah
Like nobody's like injecting 200 mil into pepe right now
There are a lot of people like midsize money like you said i've seen a lot of million dollar buys
And there was someone who was buying five eth of pepe like every minute for two hours straight. It was it was nuts
But I think it can become a big game. It's just not there yet
Like it's not like it's not big enough to be called a big person's game
Because like it's not worth their time. I agree
But the thing with binance if they really do own over five point seven percent of the total supply like this is now
like getting into a territory where it's
You know, it doesn't really matter like nft twitter pumping not pumping like this is a bigger thing
The amount of wallets is just it's going nuts like eighty seven thousand ninety thousand holding it's getting bigger every day
The number one search thing on google trends right now is how to buy pepe coin
Like this is I'm telling you all like if you think it's nuts now it can go a lot bigger
We we thought that shiba at a billion was unheard of and then it went to over 40 billion and doge went significantly higher
I made a tweet about this earlier today
And I got dude that people were not happy about this tweet that I got so many dms like leap
You're a fucking idiot. Like why did you tweet this out? But I said
Pepe was a meme and then it turned into a coin
But shiba was a coin that turned into a meme and obviously doge existed and the shiba in your meme was a thing for a while
So it's not like entirely one-to-one like I know it doesn't make a hundred percent sense, but the point is
We actually and it's funny. We talked about this at the irl meetup
Is one of the topics for for the panel
But dude, it's like again pepe has roots in crypto. It has roots in like these og
Crypto circles and not only that there are a ton of mega whales
They just don't want to spend their money on shit that they don't like they don't there are people are so rich
They don't even care about making more money sometimes if they don't like what the thing is
But people fucking love pepe. This is like anti. This is like anti-culture anti-influencer
Anti-traditional crypto it's anti everything and it's like kind of wait. Do you think that it potentially?
behind it as part of the team but cannot say so because of he legally can't issue
because you know a lot of the it's interesting the the different groups of people really like pumping it like some are like
The nicest guys in in nfts and some are the most
Like in my view disgusting crowded in it
So it's like both sides but on the on the more negative side a lot of those guys are super close with matt fury
You know, so i'm like, do you think that there's that potential?
You know, like we were talking about this yesterday at the meetup
Outside of the panel and we went out to get drinks. We're chatting about it
I don't think that matt is but I would it just feels weird to me
I I just don't see him like he definitely probably bought some right like why not?
He created the damn thing and he actually uh blah was talking about this yesterday
He owns the copyright to or the trademark rather to pepe
And like owned the he owns it legally
But apparently this has got his blessing. That's what i've heard
And i'm sure he bought some but I just I don't know there's been so many pepe coins
I mean you can just go look on on deckstools. It would just be weird. I just don't see him getting involved
Yeah, I was just putting out because I was trying to look through his feed for any hints
The only thing that he retweeted that I at least saw that was
Uh, like indirectly connected was like one of like, you know people's
Artworks that you know had all the frogs and he retweeted it. Yeah
You think gucci will accept a pepe coin over a coin now that it's surpassed it
So that big big ink is accepting pepe coin the new the new uh
So that's that's really interesting, right?
So manifold you got to give shout out to richard and the team at manifold
They are so on top of it always ahead of the game and they always enter
They add, um, you know like pepe and a few other stuff
You can actually use those coins to commit stuff on the platform now. They've added a ton of coins, right?
It's not like what's what's the few other stuff though?
I mean, I don't know them off the top of my head, but I saw a list and there's a bunch of them
I know they're like can we can we make enough pepe coin to buy the other side?
But the pepe side pepe side is bigger turbos a different
Pepe side would actually hit although the gap the gas during other side meant
To pepe now is like not comparable. So I think
Other side wins, you know, so look so back to manifold and and one
The gas we can actually talk about gas fees and how much eth is being burnt as well right now because I think it's
I think that's really interesting too
Because this I mean eth is have you seen the chart of how much ethereum has been burnt since the merge?
It is getting wild a lot of ethereum and it's just going to continue to go
So I think that ethereum I really think and I hate to even have price estimates
But I really think eth could go to 10k not financial advice not like tomorrow
But I just think that 10k is programmed not financial advice. I have no idea what i'm talking about
I was added to this space by a third party
Secondly, you know with manifold and uh, thank you
I'm loud for for saying this turbo is another one of the ones they added as well
So you can actually this is so interesting people are now minting open editions and nfts and using pepe turbo
Whatever it might be to actually mint those nfts and I think that's
Super interesting because it's now like the community is finding use for this stuff
We're just circulating capital really just passing the same money around in circles
And there's hot potato like who's going to get left with the bag?
But I don't know. I think that's cool
I love the idea of a token that the community just if they want to build something for it
They just build it which is a big difference with shiba. Shiba has like developers and there's like shiberium and bone
And they have a mold shiba isn't the only asset within that ecosystem. There's three of them
I think it's shiba bone and then there's one more. I can't remember the name
And shiberium is like their l2
There's even an official shiba, you know, nft project that was holding a decent floor for quite a while
I don't know like there's what development can they do like it's a shit. It's a shit coin at the end of the day
And daniel got hits. I know a lot of the stuff he says is controversial
But he has a lot of banger tweets as well
And one of the tweets that he made was I actually got I met him yesterday for the first time when the tweets that he's made was
Pepe team the pepe it's called the pepe foundation now and that like is a foundation like ethereum found
It's not just turning so big and they have a huge treasury
They have a lot of money to work with so we'll see what they do
But I think the best thing that they can do is absolutely nothing
If they try to do like an l2 or fucking nfts or a staking pepe side
In pat face or they should just buy yuga
Okay. Well, I don't think I buy yuga but I think they should just merge with the existing pepe ecosystem that exists
So like that center spot in the other side would just beat a big frog instead. Yeah, just a big ass frog
It's pepe side and they buy yuga and then we have crypto pepe's
You know what? The most fascinating thing is with current so like currency right back in the day
People would have like products and services to exchange so they had to come up with a currency like stones or whatever it is here
There's a currency first and then people try to find the products or services to use it for it's like everything is in reverse
It's fascinating last thing i'm going to say and then i'm going to bed
So then I won't be annoying so I think there's another one that would absolutely fucking hit
It would be a straight banger of a meme token
And it would work because only technical traders know this meme
So i'm gonna say it because i'm not gonna build it because I don't feel like getting sued
But if you do it, let me know so I can get it in early
Who here knows about guh?
So all right. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Listen, you don't know the meme then you don't know the memes
I'm gonna tell you about this meme. One sec. I just got yo, okay
If you're co-hosting up here, you cannot say the word come
So this is a very technical meme that is only seen on reddit and and a few
Tradfi channels on youtube but all the technical traders know this meme, which is why it would fucking bang
Okay, so guh guh is a youtube video that went viral and tradfi pages
Because there was a kid who was flaunting about how he figured out robinhood
And he glitched it into borrowing 50 grand
And then he was actually up major
And then he lost his ass and he did he was like live on youtube
And as he saw his account and saw the 50 000 in like debt on his account
He made like this funny guh sound and so everyone knows what guh is and like the technical trader community
So I think guh would fucking print
So rob, so speaking of robinhood and the borrowing money
Dude robinhood used to just I mean when robinhood was a perfect name to describe what they were like
2060 early robinhood because it was just the wild west they were just doing nuts stuff. I remember I maybe had
7 000 like maybe I was young. I think I was in college at the time
7 000 buying a little amd nvidia things like that
And they allowed me to borrow over a hundred thousand dollars in margin
Which was just fucking I mean it was nuts and I could just do anything
I wanted with it and I remember I bought I like almost put all of it into amazon stock
Like I had like a ton of amazon stock and I got over a thousand a piece
And I had a bunch of tesla things like that and it ran up
So like I actually made decent money on stocks and then I fucking lost it on crypto
But dude robinhood would really just give you like they wouldn't even check
I remember you had to take a quote unquote test. It was two questions
It was like one are you over 18 and the second one is can you read?
What what do you mean? Can I what do you mean? Can I read and they just gave me a hundred thousand dollars injected into my account
Now it was margin, right?
So you have to pay it and you can't lose it because but they had a whole system where it's like
If you if the value of the stock went down below what it was purchased for it would just take the margin back
Like you wouldn't even lose anything. It was it was like a cheat code robinhood was wild back in the day
And I also you got to give credit to robinhood
Even though I feel like they've done a lot of shady shit like taking little percentages off your trades and things like that
They're not disclosing but
Robinhood changed the game like that's really what pushed most stock platforms to go zero commission
And it's interesting because now on ethereum we complain about gas fees, which we fucking should I think fifty dollars
I was accepting a weath offer on one of my nfts yesterday and it was
$55 I was selling the nft for 0.04
It was literally as much money as I was getting was the gas fee and I actually did it
I actually because I had to take I needed the 0.01 for so I just needed like a couple bucks for something
Um, so yeah, dude, it was nuts
But yeah people used to pay commissions on trades all the time seven dollars ten dollars, whatever it was
So that's pretty normal back then and even ebay ebay takes what twelve percent?
You know, so the commissions and right anyway, that's a whole different thing
I like the can you read a question because it's like such a literal test, right?
Because those who can't read wouldn't know I guess they have a 50 chance if there was multiple choice
But it's a great like direct literal question
Yeah, robinhood was was wild back then. I remember
I was like talking to my dad and my dad did never wanted me to get into stocks because he
Got burnt super bad in the 90s or whenever the dot-com bubble was I can't remember what year
He got burnt super bad. He lost like 50 grand, which was all his money
And he's like, please I remember he was like begging me. Please don't don't get into stock market
Please and i'm like I was he was schwab and e-trade and things like that and he wouldn't help me do those
I didn't know what I was doing and then I found robinhood through an ad and my dad
This thing says it's like free trading which was mind-boggling at the time
And he's like no, wait, please please this is a scam. I was like, what's my social security number?
I gotta put it in here. Please. No, no, no, don't put it
I remember like begging begging me not to do it and um, the first thing I did was buy amd when it was
But just a couple dollars like three or four dollars, whatever it was
Yeah, he was convinced after that, but then I kind of knew what I was seeing stocks
This is a problem is like stocks. There's logic
Right your earnings reports use the products they're making the company like there's logic with something like pepe or whatever
You're much more intuition movement culture
It's just difference a whole different set of skills
So you got to give props to like I know a lot of people say it's luck
Oh, you got lucky buying pepe you got luck buying
Maybe there is luck involved. There's luck involved in so many things
Like there's luck involved in whether or not my uber each driver is going to spill my trendy venti with four shots of espresso
All over the ground right in front of me 10 minutes before my space
Which happened the other day?
Um, so there's luck involved in that and there's also luck involved in trading these coins
But there's also a lot of intuition and you got to give props like someone said this to kevin the other day
He got lucky that it went so high, but he didn't get lucky
Like it wasn't luck being on the computer 24 seven for three years straight. That's not luck. That's hard work
And if you're around long enough you're active long enough
You're gonna hit something like the problem is people go bankrupt
They lose their money the only way to lose in the space is to not have any liquidity to experiment with
Like even if you have fucking one eth
You know how many things you can buy 0.05 into like 20 different coins
Now you don't want to just throw it at whatever random stuff
But the point is if you're around like imagine turbo fucking turbo pepe had already pumped wojak had already pumped
Turbo comes out you throw 0.05 at a 50k market cap. You're up big time, you know, huge time
So just something we just couldn't ignore the fact
Justin Justin, I did that leap, uh, Justin i've had my hand up for a good two hours, buddy
They haven't got to me because every fucking time leap finishes talking you come up and say something
Let me jesus fucking christ. Justin, give me a goddamn chance. I'm out here fucking begging for my life out here
Holy shit. Fuck. I don't go back. I don't make your life. Go ahead. Okay. All right. All right
Yeah, let me cook. Let me check. I just wanna say yeah, y'all have been cooking up here
Y'all have been cooking up here. It's it's been this this panel's been pretty fire. Uh,
Justin even you even you've been fucking cooking but
Man, i'm just you can't mute me leap
I'm a co-host you must have forgot. That was wow that time
Yeah, sure sure buddy, but uh
I'm just glad actually first off
Let's start off with like the amount of shilling the amount of talking about pepe jonah just did uh,
I better see a one-to-one in his collection. I'm not gonna lie to you but uh
That uh with stocks and even meme coins nowadays, uh, they're not sending fucking 50 of their supply to vitalik anymore
Because uh, you know, I don't know if you guys are around for that, but that shit would fucking just
Vitalik just would decide every every like three or six months like hey, I got all these fucking coins in my
Wallet I think i'm just gonna send them all out to random charities get the meanest billion dollar tax right off you guys have ever seen
i'm happy pepe didn't fucking do that shit because uh, we we see a lot of sad boys out here not gonna lie to you but uh
Yeah, I was cooking on that for fucking two and a half hours. Justin. It was a fucking 30 second take
I was just dying to get it out. Uh, so, uh, you know, I appreciate you giving me the opportunity
I got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Justin. I see with your hand up. I see with the paw up dog. Go ahead
Yeah, I don't yeah, I apologize. I don't use the hand that much, you know, I I um
I know you're pretty good at raw dog in the space. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. Oh, what's up with the raw?
Okay, go on. I was just gonna say I mean, are we just gonna ignore the fact that pre la leap?
Um, we heard all about the eating the the coffee grounds directly and
An la leap like the word venti is now just part of your normal vocabulary every single day
Venti this venti that and no more Folgers ground coffee
Like I don't know like I don't and I you know, I live in la I don't know how I feel about that
Look, it's not even just venti. Uh, he actually inserted a word in front of it. That's a trendy venti
It's the biggest venti you can get just then uh, that's how l.a's turn
Like a whole fucking cop is like literally like a whole pot of coffee. Um, it's I don't know
I mean like there's a starbucks. It's literally right next to me. It's like six dollars. They'll just deliver in five minutes
It's yeah, why don't you like walk to that starbucks? Okay. Look i'm a are you a starbucks honesty member
Look, okay. Let me I just want to comment on this one thing
Uh, so og was speaking about sending the the tokens of italic. Yeah, i'm surprised we haven't brought this up
For anybody didn't know like og was saying back in the day and they did this with shiba
They would so let's say you have a hundred percent of the supply and the team keeps 20 30 percent for themselves
Just its arbitrary numbers then they would burn 50 50 percent of supply
But by burning that means that they would just send it to vitalik's wallet
So that that 20 30 percent that the team holds is now essentially 40 to 60 percent
But you don't like it doesn't seem like that way, but it is that way
So they would send it to vitalik obviously that change when vitalik just mega dumped shiba
And like that was a wild day, too
Can I talk on that real quickly? Uh
When I was pretty heavily invested into a coin that uh had 50 of the supply in uh, vitalik
You know, I put about 5k in pretty early. I was up a hundred bands. You know, I got I got real greedy
I was like this motherfucker's going to a milli
I'm gonna hit a million dollars from this
And uh one day uh, vitalik just decided hey i'm a little bored
I think i'm gonna send all these fucking tokens to random charities
Rugged 50 percent of the supply and uh, that 100k dollars I had
I wouldn't call that rugging
Bro, I mean he rugged me. So uh, i'm gonna call him a rugger for that but didn't the coins all go up after that
No, no, they did not it went from 100k to a thousand dollars, buddy. Believe me
I'm i'm pretty familiar with that one. It haunts my dreams to this motherfucking day
That was just a whole wild time at devi was just nuts
But after the vitalik stuff
They stopped sending it to vitalik because obviously now they never thought that vitalik would touch any of this stuff
They're like, you know, and it was a marketing thing too to say oh the creator of ethereum holds a big percentage of supply
So after that the go-to was mark cuban
So they would send tokens to mark cuban's wallet
And that really didn't work out for a long time too
And then they just started sending it to random like the pope the pope has a wallet
The pope has a crypto wallet and they what they would just send like 50 of supply of these tokens to the pope
They're like the church of uh, the vatican the vatican holds 50 of supply. He deems our token. Holy
So it was just bro. The fucking holy church was like secretly trading over eight billion dollars worth of assets, dude
Those mf's about to dump all this dude
So the vatican actually is working and they've been working on this for a while vatican's been working on their own blockchain
So there is going to be like a vatican like christianity whatever whatever block
We'll get some ice then but anyway
The vatican they're doing their own blockchain
I don't even know what they plan on doing with that. It could be I don't know
It could be interesting apparently it's for donations or is just like a way to
Better track what the money is, but I don't know
It just seems like a better way for them to launder money if i'm being honest
But I want to throw in a more more of great to see you as always. I appreciate your patience. What do you think?
Thank you. Well, I can't I cannot believe you guys are literally disgusting
Shit coin supply right now. Like that makes no sense
I lost a hundred bucks to a hot dog contract yesterday, which is lead me to be salty until now
I can't believe I lose about 10 breakfast to a fucking shit coin. So I don't want to hear anything about them anymore
This this space you joined it you didn't you didn't have to listen to the shit coins
I'm not going to lie to you. There's a leave button top, right? But we're happy to have you
Morph is the goat. Okay. I said we're happy to have her either way leap if you would let me finish
All right, please. Can you give me something valuable?
You know, I can't I don't know
Well, look i'll say this so I kind of agree with you morph
It I was thinking about this earlier today. I was and I tweeted about this a couple days ago
It's scroll through the timeline. I swear and maybe i'm not following the right people
Maybe my algorithm is messed up. But every single tweet every single tweet is about pepe
I don't even remember it being like this for sheba. I don't think I was on twitter at that time
But even on other social platforms, it wasn't like this. This is this is unreal. Like nobody
Dude before pepe. I remember after nftnyc literally the entire timeline was d gods
And then blur did their thing and the blend was everything that people were talking about
And now all of a sudden I feel like any project could put on an announcement
Oh this flew under the under the belt as well and thread talked about in his face earlier today
Killa bears put half their treasury into pepe and fucking like 10x it
That's crazy that is wild imagine like you're a company and you're like, you know what?
Fuck it. Take our entire treasury and put it into put it into pepe and it worked
So some people see that as bullish and some people see that as bearish. I was wondering what y'all thought
I actually kind of see it as bullish
Like I know it's a very risky thing for a company to do and you would prefer the company you're invested in
Or the nft you're buying whatever to not take risks like that
But I see that as just a strong move like they had intuition
They felt that this was going to work and they went for it and it worked
So I was wondering what y'all think I want to go to hantau first. Hantai. Good to see you as always. What do you think?
Yeah, so I haven't heard somebody say 10k eth since
but um, I don't know two investors they're always like
uh kind of sketched out if you're making those kind of decisions as your company because
If you're a founder and you tell your investor, oh, yeah
we uh, we put all our money into a meme coin and luckily we get 10x and then they would probably lose some
Open your company just because of how degenerate of a gambler you are
Yeah, it's just wild. I mean what is was it fedex that did this?
So I think fedex was on the brink of bankruptcy
And the founder the owner took the last like 10. This was way back in the day
Took the last 10 000 or 20 000 they had and went to
Vegas and just put it all on like roulette
They like threw it all on red or something and they like 10x and they were able to save the company and now fedex
I think it was fedex. I could be it's like company like that
Um, so I mean something just happens, but yeah, that is a risky move. I can't even imagine
The putting it all on black is like extremely risky like that's fucking super degen. So shout out them, but can you check your dm?
It doesn't do that. Yeah, so bad at checking dm. I also like i'm pacing so i'm not I don't even look at my phone
I just i'm walking around, but i'll check them right now, but it is a risky move
Killer bears is such an like a weird and interesting project because it's such an expensive nft
But nobody really talks about it
You don't really hear that much. I don't see anybody rocking killer bears
But there's still like three four e they've done a ton of volume and they just recently did an open edition
And I think they did really well on that one too. So
Um, I actually had a bunch of killer bears and I sold them at like 0.03
And I had a rare ones and the reason I sold them is this is one of my biggest L's
Is somebody had told me that the art was stolen and it was a friend of mine
I'm telling you like this art is stolen and they stole it from another one of our friends
And then that friend like we went to that friend who said dude like
They're saying that this art is stolen from you. Can you show us?
So this guy he it was in a group. I was in back then
He sends us pictures like all these like hand-drawn pictures of literally like the killer bears art
And i'm like, what the fuck like these people like they saw your tweets. They saw your art whatever it was
And what ended up happening is we realized that that guy that friend actually was stealing the art from the original art
So the original artists of killer bears had been creating that art for a while
And had been posting it online and selling it and things of that nature like pre nfts
And I think what happened is the company that created killer bears went and found this artist and collaborated with them
We like your art want to create a project whatever it is
So our friend who's obviously not our friend anymore
Literally was just going online and stealing the art from this guy and just hand drawing it himself
And selling it as nfts to us in the like selling it to other people in the friend group in that nuts
So we took a massive l miss out on massive gains because this fucking liar scumbag
It was yeah, that was that was a wild time. Sounds like you got a good derivative
That luckily I wasn't the one who bought it
But um, yeah, that was that was a big l killer bears went to like five eats and the rares were selling for a huge amount
So anyway, shout out to them
Bro, that's actually insane. I'm not gonna lie. Uh, imagine
Imagine your blue potato chip got stolen and somebody else is selling it to their homies right now
Well, it is cc zero. So technically anybody can do anything they want with it
Actually, I kind of want to get more of these nfts from this collection, but it's just I don't know
What collection is it from lee the lee's drop?
The lee's drop this fucking no, it's not the doritos pringles derivative drop. No, it's actually a collection called
I only have I have think two or three of them or something like that
It's called derage and I actually don't even like to bring up the name that much because I don't want people to think i'm pumping
It but it is a cool collection, but it's not a project
And I i've said it before it was a zero percent royalty free mint back in february 2022
And I think the floor is 0.01 right now. It's
It's very fucking low, but the artist is awesome
Shout out to dark farms and there's like probably 30 40 people on twitter that rocked this pfp on nft inspired instead of 40
44 so it's very small but they're strong like their community fucking loves these things and they collect they collect the hell out of them
So leap you could literally be a mega whale in that uh, if you if you decided to I think that'd be pretty fucking hilarious
Leap is basically derage himself
But uh, I want to bring this up. Look
Arcanica, I I think you know kiro. I think you know kiro. Uh
He he lives up pretty well to uh, that that thing in his bio advisor of fuckery
So I just got into ether recently, right? I just started researching into it. He was like, bro
You gotta you gotta follow. Uh, hey, yo
He was like you gotta follow people from the valley. I was like, okay bet. Uh, let me know some people
We're gonna play a little game
And uh, he sent me your profile, uh, your name completely blacked out and uh, your pfp completely blacked out and he was like
I was like bro. I was like, how how am I gonna do that bro? So I go through the valley's
Entire following for like a good 25 minutes. So i'm just scrolling through not finding shit and then i'm like, bro
twitter advanced search works
So I I look up I look up ox valley and i'm already following you
I didn't have to do any of that kiro's just a fucking certified menace for no reason
He's he's probably not even on the space. He's on 18 other ones right now
But oh my god, bro, the advisor of fuckery for real
Yo, kuro needs to change his name to shirley low, bro
The way that he's chilling in like 30 spaces at a time
But yeah, dude, that's fucking crazy, bro. You spent like 30 minutes trying to find me. That's wild
Actually just followed you back to I like the pfp man. Unfortunately, I don't know with what intention you were looking to follow me in the first place
Unfortunately, I I cannot give you an ether whitelist simply
I'm not even on the team anymore, but you know, it's it's all good, bro
I was just trying. No, he literally said you're not gonna get a you're not gonna get ether whitelist from doing this
I was like that's fine. I still want to drop the follow, but I was literally already fucking following you
That's what's wild. I was like 30 minutes for no reason
But it's interesting to see people like
You know look at what the valley is and dig deeper into that. I think this I think that's always pretty interesting
Bro, the art is too handsome. That's a rock
It's one of those things where everybody knows what it is to some extent but nobody knows what it is
So I enjoy I enjoy the mystery
So here's so this is something I wanted to talk about justin
I feel like you might know more about this because you're a big sneaker guy
So what's up with these artifact?
Clone and like this is a big pivot and we can get back to the other stuff if y'all want
But I just really need to know and answer this question these artifacts clone x forging stuff
Is this real like it you can buy the air force one, uh takashi mirokami collab for like point one
like how is that real is that
Am I maybe for the socks no shouldn't be the point one. Yeah, but it is forting is their term for
Basically turning what you've collected as a digital into the physical
And like yeah when you forge it you select your sneaker size and you're gonna get the pair of sneakers that have the nfc
Chips connected back to the blockchain. Um, there is a more economy, but it wasn't I mean last last I saw I was selling like
Between 800 and a thousand usd. I don't know
What that would be in east right now, but also if you're looking at these collections make sure that
It's labeled as pre-forge because like you still hold the
Um the item and so if you buy someone, you know, someone's nft after they forged it and it's like a post-forge one
I guess you don't get the sneaker
So um i'll look into it for a second right now to see what you're talking about
No, I was looking at yeah, I was looking at the forge one
pre-forge stuff now and I mean
Like it says clone x genesis t-shirt for point zero one eight
Am I wrong in thinking 35 for that is cheap?
Like I don't think you can forge those anymore the t-shirts. I think that was a long time ago
I think right now they're forging the shoes
Okay, so this is old stuff here as well
Okay. Um, yeah, I wish there was a little bit more guidance on open c because there's so much shit here
That it's you know impossible. So like I don't know the socks for point o two
Does is that a even the hat the hat for point?
I genuinely don't think that you can forge any of those things besides the sneakers right now
Not 100 sure but I remember the forging for those other stuff being a long ass time ago
I think i'm getting my stuff in the mail like this week
Even the pre-forge stuff then what's the point in like why would anybody buy them now? Is that why they're cheap?
Interesting. Oh, that's interesting their part because I was confused why you're saying it's pre-forge
I guess with way so would those be items that people just never forged but yeah exactly basically ended. Yeah
And it looks like we have an artifact holder right here. What's up guys? Someone pinged me actually and said hey
They're talking for compound amazing. They're talking forging. They might have some questions. Yeah, so the pre-forge stuff
Um can't be forged. The clothing is already done. So all those really are are digital
Um are things that you can you know use with your clones and use
The air force one forging ends on the eighth so those things can still be purchased in
Forging pretty pretty much just means claimed for the physical. You can claim the physical with them
So what about so like i'm looking at this one right here
Is that I wish I could dude I was sort of screen share so y'all could see this but the artifact x nike air force one human
Dude, etha's getting expensive 0.3
I can't even tell just I don't think they're bad deals because you're thinking about nike shoes in a very limited supply
So like if you're thinking about the rarest air jordans
They make more than 10 000 of those as opposed to like these are under a thousand for a lot of them
Yeah, there's there's 900 of these I feel like I don't know if i'm gonna buy them
But these they're like tannish and the accents are light blue kind of like my pfp blue
And they're 640.3. That doesn't like am I the only one that thinks it's not like a horrible
I think we need I think we need an official artifact potato chip collab
Yes, blue artifact kicks with the potato chip on the side. We'll get a custom guy to make it if we need to
Um, yeah supplies really low
And if if it's not if they're not forged by the eighth
Anything that's unforged actually cuts the supply the final total supply down
So they even become rarer and unfortunately people forget to forge
They won't do it and you have these rare you'll have shoes that are even rare
Each of these things come with a world merging chip in them, too
So the the digital nft connects to the shoe
Via a transaction on a block it's nfc nfc chip, right? Yeah, it's an nfc chip
They call it a world merging over an artifact
So compound have a question a secondary market on the physicals. Um
Do they integrate with stock x and goat are they doing their own? Do you know that?
Yeah, they're both both stock x and goat already have people selling them on there. They're going for crazy prices right now, bro
I think dots bush in the future might be a like way for them to kind of resell a lot of these items though
So I think it goes to like what you want out of it if you're looking for
Like, you know fight like a flip later on on the if they're integrated like like compound mentioned with stock x and goat
That's a good sign if you're looking to wear it
That's obviously you're you know
What look I I did forge some of the just because you know, I collect clones and forge some of the airforce ones personally like
My favorite silhouettes are sp dunks and jordan. So like I
Like the just and this is just my opinion. I'm not telling anyone to get these but
The crypto kicks as like dunks to me are one of the most special items out there because you know that
Hopefully if i'm thinking correctly through this like it will have whenever those are forged which might be a long time
Integrated with the crypto kick sneaky patent, right?
Which is like this duper future shoe and we'll see if that happens. But yeah
I think I think the crypto kicks might actually be more like
Artists collabing and doing vials and you can then get the vials and put them into the crypto kicks as opposed to
What is happening now with like season one season two?
They're actually going out with designers and like
Having their own team in-house plus also to gosh americani design some of the items
So i'm looking at the artifact nike air force one americami dna and sorry to cut you off
These are 4.25 eth right now
And I feel like I remember when these were a lot cheaper
Justin I think they were more expensive. Actually, I think it used to be at least seven eights
No, no, I don't know this out. There are two set compound
There are two sets of the more commies one are super expensive one or less. What what is the dist?
What's the distinguishing factor there?
So they're coming dna and merkami
Um drip. Yeah, so there's a trade within the artifact clonax
um ecosystem called the drip trait which is like
Specific traits that have like merkami art on them and that's what those merkami drips are there's three thousand four thousand of those
And then there's probably what 160 of the dna's they're two different shoes
And the dna's the dna's on the clones look like kind of tattoos of merkami's art all over their body
Yeah, so he has a dna that that's a like a rare dna clone and he was probably able to claim
Two pairs of those dna shoes, so i'm sure he kept both of them
But he could essentially took profits on one of them and got the other one, you know for free
This is to one that's really interesting. I didn't know that's how it worked
Um, and two there's these other ones that I guess these are the drip ones that y'all were talking about
These are 0.4. So they're about 950 bucks thousand dollars
I mean like there's only a thousand two thousand of them. I doubt even all of them are gonna get forged
I mean, I not financial advice. I probably not gonna buy one
So y'all don't go sweep these things have been out for a minute anyway
But I don't know. I mean, I feel like that's they're probably will sell for more in the future
But maybe not who knows it's hard to tell with the sneaker game
But I do like people kind of shit on clone x and artifact quite a bit like it's like a meme to do so now
Dude, I mean this stuff is so fucking cool
Like I just think it's so cool. Like you just get to get these clothing and forge them like I fucking love
Merc I actually got a 9cc hat yesterday adventuring gave me one and shout out to him
Those are super cool. That's why I love what they're doing. They have like the chips in them. You can claim that
The hat is nice. Actually. Yeah, it came. I don't know why also they package two fucking condoms
With the packaging of the hat like straight up you I was gonna do an unboxing on twitter
But you open the bag. It's like really well wrapped. Everything is super nice high class and you take the hat out
It's nice. It's thick. It's really nice hat and then you have two condoms
What was the purpose of the condoms with the hat? I don't I don't get it. Um, oh
Also, do y'all know the last thing I'll say, you know bear snake and then you've got no bear snake
He's the forgotten ruins founder
I did with forgotten runes
I saw I met him yesterday was on the panel and he gave me like essentially like a goodie bag of merch bag
However, you want to put it and I swear on everything this might be the best fucking
Maybe outside of the d god's merch bag like the duffel bags they had at nftnyc were really good as well
These are like up there. Like these are super nice. I'll open it right here. I'll tell you what's in listen to what's in it
Really nice shirt. So I don't know how to explain it
But super nice shirt forgotten runes like super class
And then they have they make full-on fucking comics like real comics real art a whole book
Did good job there then they have socks i'm looking at them right now
Just nice socks with the forgotten runes character on it
Then they have a hat that they put in like a nice quality hat and just so much in here
Two decks of not playing cards, but like dungeons and dragons cards. I don't even know how to explain it dice stickers
Like just one of the best that i've ever seen of someone put it together
So I just wanted to shout them out real quick
Um, I don't know too much about their project, but I did appreciate bear snake doing that to me yesterday
Leap before you uh continue. I'm not trying to do a real good conversation
Do you have like some type of setting on so like co-hosts can't bring people up because I can't accept requests
I don't know. There's no setting like that. We only have one request right now. So
Um, no, I was just curious because like I was like, bro, if there's something I don't know about spaces
You got to give me who we might have maxed out the amount of speakers though
No, we can we can have two more speakers, but I mean, um
Yeah, I don't know. It's like sometimes it glitches out like that
Spaces have a lot of problems with them. It's really awkward for that one person hanging in requests
Probably a bot though, huh? Well, look I want to reset the space here real quick
Just because we haven't done it yet tonight. Welcome everybody. Appreciate y'all for popping out to yuga mate pepe
Worst title he's ever we've ever had first. It was larva labs made pepe which literally makes I don't even look at the name of spritters
What the fuck are you talking about?
Look visual. This is uh, it's high level. Shit. Um, this is yuga created with the goblin town and uh
Nakamegos nakamegos actually created pepe. Uh, so look if you're enjoying it actually nakamegos probably actually
We know who created pepe already
I'll loan up to it. It's polly and rider. They'll have to pay legal fees. So that'll be fun
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This is the the cinnamon one is really good. Actually, uh, this though it's an honey one
No for for me too. My parents used to buy just boxes and boxes. I've used so many of them
I used to this I just dipped them in like greek yogurt. I don't ask me why
Um, okay, so I want to move on to the next thing here
But before let's go to arcanic and then we go to swan arcanic. What do you think?
Oh, I guess I have my hand up from the last conversation. But dude, I uh, I I just shat myself, dude
I I changed my rpc on metamask to uh to this fucking you know
We don't talk about the coin anymore because it's down astronomical, but uh, the canto fucking rpc
Just to like see how my old bags were doing and it showed me I had three thousand one hundred ninety four
In that fucking wallet and I sat here for like maybe five minutes with my fucking job
And I was like I was like on the verge of like I was questioning myself
obviously, I was questioning if it was real but you know a part of me just like wanted to manifest that shit so hard, but
It it just fixed itself and uh that three thousand one hundred ninety four eat that I was seeing is in reality
Maybe worth about like, you know, like twenty six dollars and seventy cents
But uh, either way we vibe man. Let's go on to the next conversation
Bro, i've actually had that same glitch arcanic. Uh, like
Like 2022 I looked at my wallet and it said I had 22 billion dollars in a coin
I was like mama. We made it you getting the mansion
Nah, bro, I had like fucking three dollars total
I thought I thought the pepe foundation just blessed my ass bro. We've been talking about pepe all night
You know, maybe they're doing some secret santa type shit
Dude secret santa nft project would go hard. We're like, you know, they already had one bro. They've had one
That shit actually came out in like late 2021 dude
I remember that those those of the og's who were here for that bro
If you know you fucking know they had a secret santa type deal where like some people won
Mildly expensive nft wasn't something that was crazy in reality. I mean the fucking project died after a while
But the concept was pretty dope
Okay, so what is up? So this is kind of unrelated but related because it's like a pack thing as well
What is this vorrell doodles pack i've never seen this before it came out in march 2022
It's done 14 eth and volume and it only has 300 items and the best week offer is 0.3
Is this like a no brain? What am I looking at here? Is this a no-brainer? Does anybody know?
Wait, no, there's some scam collections
Um of those that might be one of them isn't everything on flow. No, no, this is this is a real doodles thing
It's um, it's like on the it's uh featured on open c and it's by doodles loc verified
Is that the one with the business hanging out?
So the business the what hanging out?
The business can you uh, can you go into elaborate detail? Pidgeotl? No, it's just a box. It's just a cock
It just says um, this is what it says
It's a limited edition box curated by ferrall filled with wearables for doodles too and irl redeemables from those same same favorite brands
Yeah, if that's if that's official dude, that is you said it's 0.3. I'm gonna get it right now
Like I we all got in like a place in a drawing
For it. I didn't maybe I guess they already released it if that's the official and ferrall then announced that it also comes with like
Um, like I think maybe I don't know if it's the human maid or or or whatnot
I mean, he's one of my favorite creatives of all time. So
Do yet by the way when you guys were talking about how like the meme coins are great for taking a break from the nft space
I was thinking like dude in the past like a couple weeks like lebron's like
Cozying up with the artifact team wearing that we're wearing the sneakers
We have forl announcing stuff with doodles and no one's paying attention to it
I don't know that's healthy that no one's paying attention to these movements here
These are like some pretty serious moves by like two pretty serious companies. Yo, justin
I've I've thought that same exact thing dude, and like i've tried to run some scenarios in my mind of how
More people end up finding out about this. First of all, you know, uh compound I want to say dude
Or be or pretty much any other artifact clone x holder
I'm, so fucking happy for you guys, bro. Like that lebron shit was really really amazing to see i'm not in the artifact
Ecosystem at all and I know that there's like been a lot of animosity towards them and people just writing all sorts of like
Dumb shit for the timeline for engagement
But dude, like you can't you can't look at something like the lebron stuff and fade that bro
Even if you hate on like the tiny little things that you know artifact does within like forging or whatever
You don't like the shoes, bro
The fact that fucking lebron king fucking james king lebron james wore that shit, dude
That is insane and i'm so happy for the artifact community
It's crazy how that happened like literally right after a conversation compound because compound actually he owes his own space and like
you know, I was just kind of
I was just looking for like some spaces to join one day just because I wanted to
uh, you know, I guess just fuck around right and I see this space full of like
Clone x holders. It's just like an army of them just chilling
They're kind of like we are now but it's all just clone x holders. So I was like, okay, bro, you know, fuck it
And so I joined and I was like the only azuki that was you know sitting in the entire space at the time
So it just kind of felt a little different
uh, and so I went up and I requested to speak and he brought me up and I had this entire conversation with him and the rest of the
Artifact, you know clone x holders about pretty much what artifact is doing why they're bullish or what reservations they have against it
And bro all those guys in there all the takes that they kind of you know
Uh filled me in on they were so objective
It wasn't even like oh they're like bad bias emotional down bad holders. We're trying to find a way to justify their investment
It was actually like really good takes that really enlightened me to what artifact was doing and then just
I think three days later after the fact after that conversation happened, bro, like this shit happened with lebron
Yo, that's that's crazy compound. I'm really fucking excited for you guys, man
and then more to my point where I actually started off with this I think that um
because right now literally like I was just scrolling through twitter and I saw a couple posts of uh
People who rotated some of their pepe profits into ecosystems like azuki. They're like look man. I'm bullish on azuki
I'm I'm putting this money where I think it belongs and
The fact that you know doodles is kind of redeeming itself
It's it's partnering up with you know, really solid people and shit to deliver actual good stuff quality
Artifact just had that entire lebron james stuff bro in a perfect storm like if all stars align
I I think that a lot of funds
Uh, this this is the way that I can picture it happening potentially right like pepe
People have already made tremendous money. But if pepe keeps going up it gets listed on shit like coinbase hypothetically
Uh eth keeps ripping. I mean ethereum just broke two thousand dollars, bro. That's crazy
I mean for like right now, you know while we're in the middle of all this just the simultaneous effect that adds a lot more
to overall market sentiment and then you have uh
You know things like azuki obviously but also like doodles and artifact which are kind of redeeming themselves
They're having the redemption arc, you know, they're capturing more attention from people of different communities
Those start coming out with dope stuff. Now you have a mix of a lot of liquidity in the ecosystem
Overall market sentiment people psychology is really really positive
and now people are looking for shit to put their money into that's going to be considered like a
A safer bet than a meme coin, right or shit coins that are coming out
So do you like uh, if if all the stars align and all this stuff ends up happening like I think we could see a
Pretty good market activity back into nfts. It's not going to be anything you fork or like, you know, I don't think
People are going to start deejaining into nfts like that, but you're probably going to see a nice accumulation of uh, the higher up
quote unquote blue chip projects
Yeah, leap I just actually logged into the doodle studio
I actually received the fro pack airdrop
So this is what it says on the back end of their studio site
Which it doesn't go on the open c page just so you know if you're looking at it says
So fro pack airdrop you have one fro pack you can open your pack in the studio on which is like
The whole doodle's back end to customize your doodle to play around with the doodles 2 etc
On june 6 2023 if your pack contains a physical redeemable burning your redemption certificate will prompt you for your shipping details
Please note that the redemption window is only open until june 15th
So it'll be from june 6 to june 15th when the window expires any unused redemption certificates will automatically burn
It's interesting. There are parallels between how they and artifacts are approaching
And nike generally are approaching kind of the the whole ecosystem with like kind of the
Customization redeemable aspects on their own, you know back end native site, you know
Doodles with the doodles 2 for the masses nike with the dot swoosh for the masses
There are a lot of parallels there and you know with different completely different aesthetics, which is kind of cool
I mean, I like doodles. I know they get shit on quite a bit, but I mean come on. They're cool
I think the art is cool. I think there is a community there. Maybe they're just not as active as they were before
Yes, the price is down pretty bad, but it's still three eath. It's not cheap. It's six thousand dollars for a floor
So, I mean i'm interested to see what happens with doodles
I think I think they're strong they have funding and they have the right connections
But doodles 2 is going to be a challenge like to me that is much more of an outward facing product as opposed to inward
You know more so focused on maybe bringing people outside the nft space in and they've even
Articulated that by saying look we're not an nft project which by the way
I agree with the sentiment. I just think the wording of that was wrong
Like you don't want to tell the nft community and the people that have been holding your project for years
Yeah, fuck nfts. We're done. We're not an nft pro. I get it like oh we're a media company
I understand that right? I think we all understand the sentiment
But the wording was just and the way it was delivered. I just think wasn't it was kind of tone deaf
So and also I think them choosing to use flow while it makes sense function like functionally
I don't know. I mean like do we think that it would have done better if they just put it on eath or polygon
Would it have made a difference? I I have no idea
It's kind of a hard thing to say. So I want to go to swan real quick swan. Always great to see you
Nah, bro. I just wanted to talk about these shoes real quick. Damn. I don't know how we got so far left
Uh, I pinned it to the top though real quick this lenticular upper on the reptile. Uh,
Whatever this thing air force ones is nuts
Like this shit is crazy and it's and it's textured
So like you touch it and it feels like it's like a reptile, but it's also got the lenti like
Yo, this thing is crazy. Those shoes are fucking fired, dude
I am not much of a sneaker head
But like I saw those and the black ones that lebron was rocking dude. I I fucking want it, dude
Just to collect maybe not even to wear but just to have bro. It's so nice
Wait, are those what I think if you were wearing those at the club though, it wouldn't look so gross
Yeah, these are dank like ridiculous
Do you know how much they are?
See 0.7 for something 400 pairs of a limited edition
Nike like I I don't know the prices of sneakers
The right guys was by the way
The right guy was really into sneaker game before nfts and he was telling me the story of how it worked and the sneaker game
And how people were buying selling sniping body was very similar to the nft space
But most of those people have moved over to crypto because it became so saturated right same thing with nfts
But I look at this shoe and like 0.7 now i'll be honest with y'all
Maybe i'm gonna sound like a hater by saying this. I don't think that this shoe is like that
Good looking but I think and don't hate me, but I do think as a collector's item
I think it's great. I'm in only 400 pairs
But i've just never been a big like reptile like kind of green sort of thing
I don't know. It's just never been sort of my I would take any of the murakami's over this any day
Oh, no, no, no, it's not a matter of that. I think the murakami ones look fucking sick
It's it's just I don't know man. The style just looks very collectible. That's exactly why I would buy it personally nike. Hey money
Yo, what's good guys? Uh, dude, I yo, I bought a pair of like the like the black and red genesis artifact
Can you buy me something no only only buy leap stuff
Everyone needs to stop looking at kevin like a fucking bank. Okay. Yeah, so he made a bunch of money
He's not your bank. I would anyway, uh, don't make me get started
Bro, I honestly like money like I get to finally like know what it feels like to be like one
100th of like dingaling or like fucking you know, franklin board apes before uh
May his twitter account rest in peace. But uh
Yeah, dude, uh people been asking me for fucking money all day. This is a bit crazy, bro. Uh
Yeah, bro, seriously, no congrats man. I was just I was messing with you by the way
No, you're good. Yeah, I I saw leaf and I was like, hey, bro. Like do you want to hang out?
He's like, yeah like 0.25. I was like like, okay
Like yeah, I got you and then like I went I hung out with him and stuff and he's like like I was like
Oh, what do you want to eat? She's like, oh, I want to go to ketch. I was like, oh, okay
Like, you know, it's kind of expensive. But like yeah, i'm down and then uh, he just ordered literally everything on the menu
And then when the time came to like pay the bill, uh, he just pushed it in my direction. So like
I don't know. I don't know man. You see he said put it on his tab put it on his tab
And like right now like like I was I was like requesting to join, you know for like hours, bro
And then like I like texted him like hey man, can you let me up? He's like point one. I was like, bro, like
Can you imagine people charging to get up on the space like that? Um
No, but I mean, okay, first of all catch wait, I had to pay to be co-host
I paid leap to come up here just now. That's point one as well
No, no, no, no. Look, okay
I would be printing if I would but fuck pat pay if I was getting a point one per speaker
But look leap leap paid me to co-host tonight actually though
Yeah, that is true. But i'll say this catch has like a great vibe, but I
Dude, it's like I thought it was going to be some like no boo level thing
And I don't know I think it's kind of overrated don't hate me
Okay, fine leap I like i'll take it no boo god damn bro
Okay, I mean i'm down but uh, i've I've actually never been dude, uh, never been ever like okay
So like I went once but like what I you gotta go to no boo in malibu
Okay, la right now. Yeah, obviously like where else would you be?
Uh, yeah, you gotta go what I did is like I went to like, uh, I went to 7-eleven
I got sushi and then I walked on the beach right in front of where no boo was and I just sat down in the sand
Um, and like I I felt like I was that no boo, but then you know, unfortunately like, you know
A rowdy group of people came they started popping bottles and I thought it was raining and then uh, yeah
What dish were you eating me so sad?
Oh fuck that was good, bro
Oh man, dude leap honestly roll like fucking go to co-host. Uh, oh and then sorry hey og
Yeah, that was the most disrespectful shit. I've heard all fucking night. Okay, buddy. Wait, is that is that an ether?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, bro. Oh, dude, you're fucking you're putting the knee pads for the whitelist, bro
I literally got the premium knee pads on right now. I'm not gonna lie
Uh, I actually got them when I was at no booth, you know, they sell them in the back
You gotta pay a little extra
Like like it is literally it is like infinitely like like way better than your last pfe bro
Like what the fuck was that dude? Like that shit looked like it was like an illegal comic
You know, i'm never gonna i'm never gonna forget when I met k money in person
And uh, you know, he was like, bro
We gotta get you that d god because your fucking pfp look musty
And you know, I don't think i'll ever live that down
No, dude, bro, you're just thinking too small take the fucking apple pencil and just draw yourself a fucking d god like what the fuck
It's not it's not an apple pencil anymore
I changed it for like a fucking amazon gift card and i'm gonna give me a sony zb1 and some decent bluetooth camera
How much is that camera I hold the dude hold on hold on I feel like we had this exact conversation in a twitter space
But like we like you never told me like how like what the camera cost was
Oh, it was like uh, like for a use it's like 600, but like it's probably gonna be 800
Maybe like maybe maybe you check like adorama or like bh photo for like a 6400 like uh, like
Certified like refurbish one. Um, because like I think like those are those cameras are like significantly better
A6400 you said yes, sir. Uh, it is like an aps-c camera
But you could you could put all like the big boy lenses like the tamron 28 to 75 and it'll look like crispy
It'll it'll look like like the swap meet version of my videos, but it'll look crispy. I was sick
Pasta and tally both recommended like the sony zb1, but like uh,
Honestly like they they have good cameras like it just matters about the lighting but anyways, dude anyways, um
Dude shout out to everyone because like, you know, we don't have to look at og's old pfv anymore. Um leap. How's your night been?
Honestly, it's pretty chill like this space tonight
It feels like kind of like our older spaces like justin
I don't know if you remember like some of the older spaces we used to do like this kind of what tonight felt like
Um, also kevin. Did you buy the red and black artifact ones? I just saw a picture of them. Yeah
Whatever one's lebron hat like whatever lebron wears like i'll just i'll just buy it dude
I got the knee pads heavy for that guy, dude
Uh, no, but I like again, like I just I I used to like flip sneakers
I used to be like a big sneaker guy and so like, uh
I just think like it'd be cool to just like rock or like not even rock just like just dead stock like a pair of
Those like I feel like I don't know and like a few like I would I would put that like in my office, you know
No, I agree. I pin them to the top. I like these
Dude, the one the one thing like okay. Oh man, okay
So i'm you know, like i've been pretty hard on artifact not gonna lie
Uh, but I also have given them a lot of flowers
The one thing I don't i'm not a fan of is like bro
Like just let the shoes look like what the shoes look like in the fucking like the nfts
Like it's like like I had to double check that fucking nft like 12 times because like in the nft
It has red stitching then you go click on the fucking image on like the product shot
No red stitching and I was like, okay
I want to make sure I don't have red stitching because I think that shit's lame as fuck
But then I go back to the nft to go buy it for fucking, you know point for eth
And then it's like it has red stitching there
I am going back like is this really the one and I I don't know man
Uh, but yeah, this is my only gripe points. Where are you finding the product shots?
If uh, like instagram, I think on the in the look book
Yeah on the lookbook in the open sea like bio it'll have like the uh, lookbook for the stuff
It's pinned at the top the third tweet in that little thread. There's a lookbook link
Bro, see like like that's the thing I like about fucking clone xmfers is like they're always resourceful
You know what I mean? Like any time someone's confused. It's like oh here it is and like
Like I respect that and like I think that's something like psychedelic anonymous was like missing because they're like
Oh, hey, like, you know, like like what like why do I need like this, you know, like
Sixth nft and then they're like it's in the lower like you don't know like it's just so fucking confusing
It's like I appreciate that about clone xmfers
Artifact is super complicated man, but like we're out here bro. We'll help anybody out
Um good pick up on the the genesis man the one the lebron where i'm not a big sneaker head
But I bought four of the murakami drips because I know murakami flips like you're gonna make money on murakami
I wanted to get those but that was before the pepe bag
So so maybe i'll fucking pull out the old the old fucking broomstick one time
Bro, the the other ones though, there's only 70 of them that you can even buy bro. That's just so ugly
Oh, yeah, I thought you talked about that fucking like alien reptile looking one
We actually oh shit, you guys have a pin my bad my bad. Yeah, that's fuck you
Dude, okay, you're telling me you're telling me you're gonna rock those telly tubby ass fucking like sour green fucking apple
You're not gonna rock them. You're gonna fucking put them up on a shelf or something every time someone walks
I know but like looks at them
You're gonna be like, oh look at what they do and you're gonna like move around
Honestly, honestly, bro, I wouldn't even want them up on my fucking shelf. I'm not gonna lie to you
Dude like and like imagine it's like, okay, like what if your goal is like, all right, like i'm gonna flip these, you know
Artifact like, you know shoes. It's like like that feels like unethical because you just know
Someone is gonna be fucking buying that and then you're like you're gonna
The person's gonna come up to you and like they're gonna give you the money and you're gonna look at them in the eyes
And you're just gonna feel bad
You're like fuck like I don't want them walking around these fucking sour green apple fucking jolly rancher telly tubby ass shoes
You know, I sold the ones for my clone immediately because i'm not flashy
All my clothes and my shoes are black because i'm a man, but yeah
Dude, honestly, like you fit in l.a. Bro, like I like I feel like everyone always wears only black hair
I remember like that was the first thing leap mentioned when he came here. He's like everyone just wears black
Dude, because i'm a man is crazy hero
Guy was in all black last night. That's all he was all black. He's already fitting in perfectly in l.a
Came out he dressed him up like a man, but it was crazy though
Like when I did see leap after the pepe sale like when I picked him up, bro
Like he was in like black air force ones in a ski mask and I was like dude
It's way too hot to be wearing that like what are you doing with that?
And like I don't know he got kind of spooked out. I don't know why he was wearing that
Well, he is he is in crenshaw right now. Okay money. What else is he gonna rock? You know, bro, bro, bro
Oh the fucking yo, the crenshaw pad is fucking going it dude
I gotta say like that shit is fucking good
I finally went there for the first time today and like I was like I had a good time
Uh, dude, bro leap. Can I ask you something about thread guys since you've been living with a guy for like the past month?
Yeah, what's up, dude? Is there something wrong with him because like here's here's the thing, bro
We went to like cross his house
We're like hanging out and everything and like, you know cross and I we're just like talking like shooting this shit and like
Every time I look around bro
I see this fucking like this dude thread guy just like walking around like pacing back and forth like like shooting invisible
basketballs in the air and i'm just like
I I just don't really understand it man. Like every time I see him. He's just shooting invisible basketballs
He's like dribbling a non-existent basketball. He's like, you know, fucking breaking a ghost ankles
Like I don't know what he's doing. So he so that's like his thing
Like we'll just be like having a serious conversation
And then he'll just like do like a basketball move in the middle of the living room
I don't I mean, I guess this is way of thinking but I kind of just get so like everyone has their own tendencies
Like I will I don't know. I'll like throw my arms up in the air once in a while
Just for no, i'm just like cheering the world on
Uh, so everyone has their own thing, but he does shoot invisible basketball
But I mean you guys you guys don't have friends like that like almost all of my friends do that exact same
That's what I do. Yeah, we get it. Oh gee, you're like fucking 18 years old. Of course all of your
Adderall ass friends are doing that shit my guy
Wait, you're 21. Yeah, I have a question for gee money
Hold on. Hold on. I I brought gee money up here because I want to say gee
Aventurine gave me a 90cc hat yesterday
And it's fucking sick and the packaging is sick and the things that are in it is sick
Just enjoyed the whole experience of being able to open it and have it sitting on my dresser right now
Super super cool. I love the stickers and the condoms are funny. I still confuse about the condoms, but they're funny
Um, the pin is really cool. I just think everything about it is super nice
Y'all did a great job on this entire thing
So excited to own it and honestly excited to get more 90cc stuff really really like it
So just appreciate you and appreciate your money. We appreciate the condoms as well. Uh, that protection
Oh gee, you definitely did not need those
And well, I don't want to hear that out of you, buddy
Uh, yeah, no, thanks for having me on stage. I actually am uh coming in from the night out
So I was just about to go to bed, but I saw uh, somebody like tagged me and in something in the space
so I just came in to check in on what you guys were chatting about but
Uh heading over to bed k money big shout out and congrats on your post
Uh that you put up on like on the pepe wind and and glad to see you're helping your family and your loved ones
That was definitely like an awesome post, but I just came by to say hi
Hope you guys are are enjoying your what is it friday night friday night? Yeah
Dude, I fucking love you g money. Sorry for stealing your name and just you know changing the letter
But dude, I I appreciate you. You are the goat. Um
Can I just ask something like like when is the next 90cc shirt like t-shirt drop though, bro?
Like those are like some of my favorite tees also like like this sounds like a fucking advertisement
Um, the uh, the next t-shirt drop won't be for a while
We got our next drop should be in the middle of summer, but it won't be a tea. It should be southern exciting
So, uh, we're probably gonna start teasing it in the next few weeks. But dude, i'm so fucking excited for my 90cc speedo, bro
Like i'm glad you're bringing speedos back
Also, gee, I did not so I asked adventuring last night where we were um at this iril meetup thing
And I was where does the name 90cc come from and this is this is why I don't know if y'all knew that
but apparently y'all were just you just kept making wallets until
Like those 90cc are the last numbers and digits of the wallet address itself
And you kept making them until you found one that you really like that's I don't know
I just think that's super cool lore. So what is the story behind that? What made you want to?
You know get the numbers from it. Yeah, so when like if you were to
If we were to be like, oh like send me money or like whatever like i'd be like yo
Send me your wallet address, right whenever I copy and paste wallet addresses
I always read the last four like me personally
I read the last four digits to make sure I copy and paste everything
So I name like internally in my head. I name my wallets by like the last four digits, right?
So like I know g money is uh, c09b, right? Like because I I always just know that I have to copy and paste that
So when we were like thinking up of the name of the brand I was like, well, what would be
What would be more crypto native than just like naming the brand the wallet and like just like the last four digits the wallet
And so it's like not necessarily that intimidating if you don't know anything about it, right?
Because it's not like, you know, the long string of whatever 32 characters, but it's something like digestible and it's like
Yeah, that's that's the wallet. That's the source of truth. And that was really like kind of the whole concept behind it
Love it money. I heard I heard that in the next drop. We're having a top hat for mr potato chip
Do we need a 90cc lip cloud would be sick
But dude, I honestly love the brand and love what y'all are doing with it
I'm not trying to get the knee pads out for this but I the first time I had exposure to the brand
We were at art basil and kevin came back to the spot and to our crib with the packaging for the shirt and i'm like what?
Is like i've never seen this like high level fashion for I don't know if you like the word fashion or what you use to
Clothing however, you want to articulate it, but dude i've never seen that level of care
It was almost like apple, you know, like when you buy like I love apple boxes the macbook boxes the iphone boxes
They're incredible and the experience of opening them and the box for the 90cc stuff was was super high quality
And I like that you've put an effort into
The experience of because I I fucking loved it
I opened the thing and I was with thread guy and a venturine and we were just it was a whole thing
I won't forget it. Um, but we don't see that that often from
Companies within the space or brands within the space usually it's just
I don't know like there's I don't know people really don't think about it too much
Well, I I bought something in
And I spent a lot of money on it
And when it came in the packaging like the the packaging was terrible and I was like
This is like one of the most expensive like products i've bought uh in that category from for like maybe ever
And like the packaging was so terrible and then
I was just like this was a terrible experience right like for somebody that's buying an expensive product
Like you should you should be having uh an experience that is equal to that
And so when we when we started like making the the shirts and you know the designs and stuff
Like top of top of list. I was like apple is the gold standard of unboxings, right?
Like I have so many boxes that uh when I buy an apple like an iphone or whatever
Like the box is sitting there like six months later and then i'm like wait
Why the fuck is still here like i'm not even using it
But it just it feels wrong to throw it out, right?
And i'm like I want people to have that experience where they're like
I don't want to throw the box out because I want to store it even if it's not for the shirt
It's for something else or or whatever have you right and and that really was kind of where we started with that where it's like
I want people to have an experience. I want people to feel special when when they like even before they see the actual product
Have it something be memorable, right?
so like you saying that it reminds you of apple is like the highest compliment because that is that that was like the the
The level that we're like comping towards right is like how can we get as close to an apple experience as we possibly can?
Love that no, I love that and it just I don't know. It's just different. It's unique. The product is interesting
I just think it's super cool
like just everything about it and I would love to see more things in the space that are
Like it's almost like web 3 native
But also it just brings so many elements of the quote unquote outside world in and I just I collect boxes
This is a really weird thing. I've always collected everything i'm a little bit of a hoarder
It's hard to do now because I moved I don't have as much space
But in virginia in my room, I swear I have every box from any like every tech product
Everything i've ever bought like every mouse every keyboard all my phones all my nintendo ds the game systems everything
I love the boxes because it's just I think that's part of the that's part of the product
It's how it's delivered and I always say this
The medium in which the art is delivered is almost as important or as important as the art itself
And when it comes to 90cc and things like this, I look at it as a piece of art
I don't which is interesting too because it's coming out of the nft space which is based on art
So I think it's like a great mix of both worlds
And also it the hat is black and you know half my clothes are black at this point. So it just works out
Um, I also liked the way the chip what just small details for anybody who hasn't seen this hat. There's a g money
Pfp inside the hat like a little it's super interesting and then also on the side
It's like a little metal chrome 90cc label and then on the top
It's like there's like nice inlays as well and then the chip I think is in the back
Not entirely sure where the chip is. Yo, can I speak on the hat real quick?
I think I think I've said this before but you know, I got locked out of my hotel and
I missed the clean old party. So I got locked out of my hotel. I was back there
I was sitting in the fucking lobby at the public hotel and uh, it was during the d treasure hunt
And uh, some dude just walks up to me and just taps his phone to the back of my head and just starts walking away
He said oh you didn't know
He said I just gave you mad alpha I said what
tap tap my phone to the back of my head all of a sudden a
Fucking a po-app or something just pops up. I was like, yeah, I was like, hold up. Hold up
What so I think that's pretty insane. It's it's kind of like a if you know, you know type vibrant
I thought that was pretty cool. Also, you know g money. We we joke we joke about it a lot in the space
Some 90cc mepads, uh would go pretty hard. They'd go pretty hard
Wait, y'all are putting condoms in the bag. Anyway
Pads wouldn't be out of the question g money
Is there a way that have y'all thought about doing something where I wish I could just dap somebody up and claim the po-app
You know like with your like, you know to dap like a handshake like if that I want I don't know if that's possible
But I don't think the text there yet, but you're not the first person to ask for something like that
Right where it's almost maybe not even a dap, but maybe like close
Like close contact right like if you like you we give each other a hug or something. It's like
Something like a po-app comes out. I just the text not there yet
But that's definitely something people like you're not the first person to ask for it believe it or not
Imagine grabbing your homies ass and you get a po-app
Bro, that'll be a fucking
I'm sorry g man. You're in it
You're an esteemed professional. I'm sorry about this. Uh, it's not typically like this typically worse
uh, but look I mean even a fist bump like there was a ring or something like a fist bump would be
There's so many different things and that's the cool thing about
products like this and companies like this is that
The limit of what you can do is really just the only limit is your creativity in your in your mind
I was wondering do y'all have socks like is that
Like is that cause it's stocks 90cc socks. I think would go pretty not yet. I I uh, I have like some ideas of some
uh, I think it could be pretty meme-able socks, but it's it's definitely like it's still on the drawing board of
I'm just trying to like ideate it ideate. Is that even a word? I think about it and like
Ideate yes ideate it's late. I'm sorry. It's it's three o'clock in the morning over here
Um, and just try to figure out like what how I would want to do that, but it's definitely things that I thought about
So socks that are beanies that are gloves that's it
I just like buddy just wants to transform her as merch
No, that's it. It's versatility and flexibility. You got to go from pepe to turbo to 90cc
Creative comments, whatever it is, but
Socks beanies and gloves. I think that works. I mean that glove that sounds like the ultimate
Are you gonna put the 90cc chips in the condoms? Uh, so it's they already it's funny
What if we had more time what I originally wanted to do was have like a qr code that dispensed it to poops
Satisfaction proof of use. I don't even know so like it's almost like a consent thing almost but uh, we'd have enough time for that
What is jeer springer? Just fucked it all up for all of us. Any what is the story behind the because by the way
Genius marketing because you know how many people took pictures of that condom and posted it on twitter because everyone's like you see it
You're like what the fuck I have to post this g money condom
So what is like outside of being just brilliant marketing? What is the story behind the condom?
Yeah, so one was it was definitely we figured it would be an instagrammable moment, right where people would definitely be taking that picture
So that was one of the reasons we wanted to do it
But so I lived in new york city for 13 years
And I lived there in the days before uber eats
And so every neighborhood or every like two three block radius has their bodegas, right?
So I had my bodega where I would go and basically get whatever it is that I need
From that bodega and they were my trusted source in the neighborhood
And so there was one time it was like three or four o'clock in the morning. I was out
I came home with a friend. We needed condoms
I I didn't have any condoms
So I called the bodega at three o'clock and I tried to get condoms delivered
And they said the only way we'll deliver condoms is is if you order something from the kitchen
So I had to order a bacon egg and cheese sandwich in order to get condoms delivered and
And that's like basically the story
I'm like, this is like my bodega story and I feel like
Anybody that's lived in new york city long enough has a very similar story
That you know, whether it's condoms cigarettes, whatever and like, you know
Just like the bodega be like nah, like you have to do this and this in order to do it
So that really was like the origin of the actual like story and stuff
I can't like I saw you pop your hand up. What's up, bro? Yeah. No, I want to give mad respect to g money
Yo g money. I don't know if you remember we briefly met up at pudgy penguins in the vip section
When you were coming up the stairs, we like had a very enlightening conversation
And then I met I met gg at the bing bong thing and I won the 90cc hat from her
Because I was actually asking her about it all day
So she handed me one and I held it in my hands for over four hours. I went to the after party
I was there all night. I was like chilling. I had that shit gripped in my hand
I was gripping on to that the the 90cc bag so tight that it actually ripped the cardboard
Um, I had some like fucking iron man grip and then when it was time for me to leave
I like noticed when I was in the uber that it was no longer in my grip and uh,
I had actually left it, you know back at the fucking bing bong thing and I was so upset that night, dude
So yeah, i'm kind of i'm kind of hurt. But hey, man, I absolutely respect it
I love the hats the green color is actually my favorite fucking phenomenal bro. So amazing job and
Definitely looking to get my hands on some more
Wait, there's a green one too. Wow, I didn't know yeah, it's like olive green. It's like dark green. It's fucking sick, dude
Bro, arcanic gg had a fucking pink one. I was like, yo, where the fuck did you get that? That thing is fly as hell
We're gonna have to we're gonna have to get arcanic another 90cc hat and it's super cool
I mean again when I look at this stuff to me and this last thing i'll say no more knee pads after this
But I really do look at it as
Like a work of art like it's art and I think that's what makes it feel different than a lot of like I don't look at
It as merch. I think that's a big difference. Like we get nft merch all the time. This is not merch
Right. So I think that's cool. And we haven't seen that level of we've seen some quality, but you know for the most part
It's just like printed tees and things like that. I'm actually wearing some nft merch right now
No disrespect to this project at all. This is the worst merch i've ever gotten. It's
Hands down. I think kevin knows which one i'm talking about
It's it's literally the worst
Bro bro, what did you expect from that specific project though? Duxett, duxett, duxett, so
Okay, no, don't don't don't dox it. It's way funnier this way
Okay, fine. Well, but it is literally hands down. I have to i almost want to
Post it like it's it's so bad. The the the material and the fabric is like paper towel
Are you wearing the board of yacht club hoodie? No, I would I would love a board of yacht club hoodie
Actually the black one Oh brother. Yo, I have some things to say. I love all my apes bro
Listen, I've I've loved my apes for so long
But yo their second drop that they did where they had one of the one of the black hoodies without the with the little strings
I have that and I have never touched that shit to this day it is they fumbled the bag on that one
That's all I'm gonna say the rest of their drops are great, you know of mad respect
I want some hats too, but bro that shit is
Yeah, I love the apes. I like I like a lot of the boardy merch
I don't own even one piece of it just because I've never had you get assets
I never had a chance but I like the black one in terms of look the one that has like on the hood itself
Also, apparently the red board AP off club hats these like the og ones peak bull market
There's only for 40 like 40 50 grand for these hats. Maybe it's like 30 40 goes something something out of control
So I don't know man that a lot of this stuff goes for so much
But also I'm gonna throw it over to Rob Rob
I didn't realize that was you because you changed your PFP. Yeah, I looked through our D
And I just I'm like, oh Rob
I've not seen Robin forever not really see that you dogs now where you I guess you were dogs before
Yeah, no, I've been dogs did a little PFP switch
Was interviewing some for some new jobs and they found the Twitter
So I just had to make sure that we're all straight on that front
But yeah, no, that's me. That's me sitting in the car driving along
I just wanted to come up and share my
My box experience I actually minted
the iteration one from 90 CC and
funny enough like I can only reinforce everything that everybody said because when I got mine the first time I wore it I
Literally like wanted to just continue to put it back in the box and take it out every other time that I would wear
I eventually got past that but I still have the box
So do you money I just had to give you your props on that like literally felt every time that I was taking up like
My super suit to go out, you know, I
I love hearing that because I feel like one of the things in fashion as well, right is everybody has that one
Piece of like their outfit that makes them feel like a million bucks, right?
And so, you know, if one product from 90 CC can make you feel that way then, you know
Maybe that gives you the confidence to close a deal or like whatever it is, right?
Like go out and have a good time. Whatever it is
That's super important. And I think that feeling like when I hear people talk about that feeling it
It just makes me really happy because it it it means that I'm going down the right path of what I wanted to ultimately do
So thank you for that feedback. I really appreciate it
Yeah, I kind of wanted to do like an unboxing video for the hat
But I already opened it when I was when I was out yesterday. So
Maybe I'd put wrap it up again because it's such a nice experience
I love being able to take it out and and videotape it
so and also again like shout out to to bear snake and forgotten runes because he gave me kind of a goody bag yesterday as
Well, and really really solid stuff from them too. And I wasn't familiar with their with their project at all
I've heard heard of it. But also listen to this story
This is so bear snake again, if anybody doesn't know him kind of low-key the goat
I don't really know him too. Well, I just met him but this one specific call like is just so goaded
So he goes to these IRL meetups that vegan throws again
If you're in LA and you're in Venice on Thursdays, it is the place to be it just it's so fun
And they also have an AI meetup. It's like the AI cabal and that's on Sunday
But I think that's one's a little bit more closed off. I don't know. I don't know how it works for entry, but
Apparently at one of their they do these like IRL Twitch streams
They're basically debates with panels and the audience can chime in and jump in. It's really just like a Twitter space
Super cool and apparently the week that ordinals came out. There's 5,000 inscriptions 3,000 script and they're very low
Bearsnake got on the mic and he's like listen up you motherfuckers ordinals. They're coming
Everybody looked at him like what the hell is this guy talking about?
What are ordinals and obviously they went off, you know ordinals became huge and now we even have these BRC 20
SRC 20 there's so many different I would love to know what y'all think about these as well
We didn't really discuss it briefly in the past
But apparently the total market cap of all BRC 20 is like 320 million right now. That's a lot
That is a lot for it's something that really not many people are talking about
And I don't know if there's an opportunity there that we're all sleeping on the same way that we slept on ordinals very early
The problem is this just like the tech is different. I don't fully understand how a BRC 20 works and
Don't know. I don't know too much about it. If anybody knows more about it
Thank you so much for coming up and shout out to you for the for the hat and a ventrain as well
I actually hold a bunch of the ventrains
NFTs he put out like an art piece a while ago
It was like 100 pieces and not an open edition is like 100 editions of this one piece
He did I got a few of them. I just I love I remember they're like 0.01
I'm gonna grab a couple of these so shout out to him just always has shown me a bad love and I met him
Think I was when Kevin and I went to the 9 DCC kind of the factory essentially at Art Basel
And he was like at the door. That's when I met him originally in yeah
I feel like he's everywhere now. I see him all the time. Yeah, big shot. A ventrion is awesome
He's just like a really really nice human being and like in a master networker
Like he knows everybody like he he's out like anytime. There's like an NFT conference
I'm like yo, man, like make sure you get some sleep, you know, like
Like I'm feeling nervous for you man, like make sure you get like more than two hours of sleep every night
But you know big props to him. He's he's awesome
He's the community lead for for admit one in 9 DCC. But yeah guys, thanks for having me on stage
I got to go to bed because I got to wake up early tomorrow, but uh, like awesome space as always and
You know, have a great night. Hopefully I'll see you guys soon
Thanks. She appreciate you. I'm sure we'll see you around somewhere and again shout out to venturing really just super genuine guy
I want to reset the space here real quick cuz I
Don't know we're gonna guess we moved to maybe the BRC 20 topic if there's something else that y'all want to talk about
I'm down to discuss it. So welcome space everybody. Appreciate y'all for popping out
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Bullshit, I don't even know it's been a long day
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What like what do you think crypto space is going nuts NFT space Twitter? Everything's out of control
Did you buy Pepe? What are your thoughts? I definitely
Put my I definitely no, hold on. I'm gonna stop myself from saying that I definitely bought Pepe yesterday at top
It was a great feeling. I love being everybody's exit liquidity. I
Love it. I'm just here for the ride. I think it's great
It was really good. Where have I been? I was actually speaking at this place called the BIA headquarters
You guys should all check it out. The the building is honestly insane. It's designed so beautifully
Oh gee has seen that he knows he knows it's lit
And I was speaking in front of you know, that thing is beautiful
It's beautiful. I was being in front of like 150 legal representatives of
all these huge companies like Amazon and tick-tock and
It was really awesome talking about like tomorrow's tech. So I'm bullish like
I'm super bullish and it's kind of like a quick reminder that if you're on Twitter and you're seeing like doomsday posts of like
Oh, yeah, we're through your NFTs are debt. It's like this is not dead at all. Like it is only just begun
No, I hundred percent agree and I think that we're going through the great reset right now
It was just a very I guess a cliche way to put it
But Pepe it so I didn't buy Pepe either faded it cuz I'm an idiot but shout out to everyone who did buy it
But the thing about Pepe that I find so interesting from a narrative perspective
It's like it basically said like fuck you to the NFT space in a way and just said look
it almost like removes the need for the word utility and
again, one of the biggest value propositions of PFPs was community and Pepe's like fuck it
I'm gonna show y'all that we can do community without this
And I think what that really means for the NFT space is that there needs to be a shift in the mindset of how these
Things are built and I don't have the full answer
I haven't thought about this way too deeply
But there's just something there that I think this is the beginning of the great reset for NFTs
And I think the NFTs are gonna be significantly stronger after this it just it's gonna take some time
But dude like I don't know like I went from hating Pepe to like kind of tolerating it
So now just like really appreciating the what it means like the artistic movement of what it is
And maybe I'm thinking way too deeply into it, but I don't know. I just it's I don't know. It's super punk rock
Go ahead. Okay. Wait, why did everyone who spends like literally 24-7 on Twitter like I'm on Twitter all the time
You're on Twitter. Why did we all fade Pepe? Like that's just number one. It's actually so sad
And number two, I agree with you and there is like it is a cultural movement
I mean like it just shows you how strong
Meme culture is and like you should look deep into it cuz there's something there
And I feel like this there's a lot of these like great resets
I felt that way when goblin town even though it was NFTs
I felt you know, they literally made like
Utilipi because they were like, okay, not every project has to be like, yeah
We're releasing a game or a metaverse
Like we're just gonna do it for the sake of laughing and you know, just community and having a great time
So I feel like those things kind of come into play. So I like I like your analysis on it. I think it's interesting
Yeah, and the great point on the on the goblin town thing
I forgot that they did the utilipi thing
I mean look this whole builder project and like everything needs to be a metaverse and everything needs to be this giant tech startup building
L2 L3 EBM zk0 knowledge, whatever whatever
There's a place in time for that
But I think the simplicity of just network effects marketing and community is is super strong
I don't know. I just like it. I'm interested to see if the Pepe community ends up like building anything for themselves
Similar to how I mean look people are already minting NFTs on manifold with Pepe
We've seen a couple big drops like that. That's super interesting to me
We've seen that with turbo as well. And there's there's a few others
So there's a couple that are like it's not just gonna be Pepe
I think Pepe's the big one and I don't think anything's gonna be able to overtake it
It's just that's two the legs are too strong on it right now
But there's a few others that have a solid chance of at least achieving pretty decent market caps this mong thing
I don't know if y'all seen that mong. I have no idea what it is in a hundred eighty million market cap turbo hit a hundred million
You know Wojak hit like 50 million or something of that nature
So these tokens are moving and I don't I don't know what it means
I mean by Nance listing this thing
there are a lot of people coming back to the space the question is are they gonna make it to NFTs and
Even if they do make it to NFTs, what are they gonna do here? That's so I leap
There's no narrative. Yeah, I'm saying what you were talking about the pullback earlier
I think we might be seeing it a little bit right now went from like a 1.5
Bill valuation Thomas 1.1 right now is your chance Lee
Getting get in. No. No my now is not my chance. I thought I was exit liquidity
Wait, wait, leave. Do you want to do you want to buy in before I do?
That look, you know my situation that Crenshaw tax bill is hitting me hard
But I mean look I do want to buy I'm telling you I do want to buy Pepe, but I just think
Like this was so it's usually like a buy the rumor sell the news thing and there's it's gonna go up
And I mean Shiba would have regular 30% retraces on the way to its all-time high
Like like every other day it was wild back then
So I think the fact that Pepe has been straight up for so long
Like it's it's natural and actually healthy for the token that it pulls back
Let the big holders redistribute their holdings to everyone out it becomes more decentralized and also
By Nance's is buying a bunch. They have five point seven percent of the total supply now apparently so they're they're going in heavy
Centralized exchanges will also buy some as well, but they just got to be careful with it
But yeah, I do want to buy some at some point because I want to be part
I want to be part of the movement
And I just think it's cool to like even though I didn't really make that much money on Shiba
It's still is a nice. I don't know. It's just cool that I was there. I got to see it
I got to experience it firsthand
And same thing with Pepe, so it's like whether you bought it you didn't buy it whether you made money lost money
Dude, this is a movement and I'm telling you in 20 years. We're gonna look back and
Maybe we're not hosting spaces. Maybe it's a different platform
Maybe we've all gone on to do some cool shit, but to be able to tell the stories like yeah, we were there
We saw it, and it was cool, so
You're gonna add some point your way all the way up to 10 billion brothers. There's no better time in the present
So so that's the question right is this thing gonna pull a Shiba because think about it even at a billion market cap
If this pulls a Shiba, there's a 44 X in there, right?
I mean it there's still so much room the problem
But dude it takes a lot of liquid getting to a billion is one thing getting the two billions one thing getting to like
40 billion you need a fuck a fuck ton of liquidity go ahead me wait
There's still a 44 X right now no no I mean, but essentially potentially potentially yeah
Let me just rephrase because not financially. I'm just saying if it went to like where she if it went to doge level
Yeah, I mean there's like an 80 X so
But we you know it's tough that was a bull market. Yeah, we're going straight to fucking pass those guys
I'm hopping in Pepe right now. Let's fucking go
Love you. Oh gee um leave
There is a really cool like feeling about being early and like saying that you witnessed something
Honestly, I made my whole personality like being early to be why see at one point so like these things
these things can really benefit you in the long run whether it's like if you're you know helping other people and kind of like the
People coming into this market in this space like you kind of you you could like scrape all the data that you can get
Right now like you know be observant and go deep like you are you like you are doing right now
And I encourage everybody to like do the same
And and it could benefit you like you don't really know how it's gonna benefit you
But like it will benefit you just by really being early
Well and whether you're gonna catch something or you're gonna know for next time or maybe you're gonna educate like the right person
Like it's a it's a good time to be present so just because you don't have any doesn't mean that you're not like not
Participating I have some I'm part is bad. I'm losing a lot of money, but that's okay. It's alright
I'd say I mean I really agree with you
I mean even with your story with board a pia club like I fucking wish I was there
That is something I'll never like forget the money forget the profit even though that's all amazing and great
Just be able to say like do I was there in like those clubhouse rooms or early board eight days?
That is something you can never get back and money can never purchase
So yeah, I honestly cherish a lot of these experiences because dude
It's fucking ridiculous like think about what we do for a living think about what it is that we all do
We're on the internet all day
Talking to other people around the world. We have cartoons as our PFP some sometimes and we just like
Trade shit and like get into emerging tack and new things. It's it's really cool
I would have never thought ten years ago that this is what I would be doing and I'm sure a lot of
People would say the same so I don't know. I just like it
I also never thought that I would be hosting a Twitter space from Crenshaw living with thread guy talking about
Some Pepe, you know, like life is just so weird. I was actually talking to thread about it earlier today, bro
I didn't even know him four months ago. We literally moved across the country together like it
It's wild. It's just really wild. So
Anyway, go ahead og. Yeah, dude. I I second that sentiment very strongly
Are gonna be moving to LA and I met the fucking dude like last month not even not even three weeks ago
Not even fucking three weeks ago. So it's just crazy man. It's crazy how fast life moves, bro
Who said there's no love in web 3? That's crazy. I'm happy for all the happy couples. I wish you guys well
That's my man's and also Mika like don't generalize and say everyone that's been on Twitter 24 7 miss Pepe
Yeah, Kevin's over here like who's who's everyone who's we?
Dude, I I feel like I've been talking about this shit for like three weeks non-stop
So so maybe Mika stop fading, you know, like our space
You could have joined this space when I was fucking telling leave and he's like, no, no
We had a conversation about what you just said and it's actually so interesting and this is what I think it is
The so you said it exactly we're on Twitter 24 7 and like you do spaces you do great spaces
We know space all the time like we're kind of like our minds are occupied in a way
And it sometimes it's hard to I don't know man
Like sometimes it's just fucking hard to to make that jump and it's weird because I've bought tons of stuff
I've DJ'ed into tons of stuff and I said this earlier in the space
I kind of felt that I was smarter than what this was which is so pretentious and was a bad way to think
I'm just being candid. I'm like, oh me
I'm not gonna get ripped off by this. There's no way and
Because I was thinking way too logically and looking for rationale and fundamentals and technical analysis
I just missed the fact that there was a movement and there are a lot of there are a lot of signs
Dude, if you go to Google right now, and I said this earlier, so sorry if I'm repeating it go to Google right now
incognito mode fresh browser fresh device, whatever you want to do and just type in how to
How to just the two words the first thing that pops up is how to buy Pepe coin
Not how to walk your dog not how to apply for college
It's how to buy Pepe coin and then go to Google Trends and it's like the the number one or number two most search thing
On the planet right now. It's it's like in that range. Maybe it's not number one or two. It's it's up there though
It's it's nuts. I mean we could have just looked at there's simple and it was trending on Twitter every single day
Every sign was there to say that hey, this is kind of a it's kind of a big thing. Go ahead Mika. I
Also didn't buy early on cuz honestly, I like don't have money to lose
I could like like everyone was putting in around me like a lot of money and I was like well
I just don't have that to lose cuz like when you're this even more so than NFTs like at least some
NFTs some NFTs have some utility. They have a community you have artwork like with this to me
Like why I never got into crypto like full-on like I'm not a crypto trader
Like I you can ask me a lot of things about crypto. Like I don't know. I know how the blockchain works
I know how smart contracts work. I know like a lot about NFTs, but I'm not a crypto trader and
With this I was like, okay
I'm like, I don't want to like lose this
This is a huge gamble because like you were saying before there is no quote-unquote utility and like the community goes like
Beyond just you know, these Twitter spaces and like, you know NFT Twitter like this is like a global thing and you know
Yeah, so I was like, oh, I mean I could have put $50
But I didn't and then instead I put a little bit more
But yeah, it's that always like worry like okay, this could all just be gone in two seconds
So like if you are putting money in like remember that it can be gone in two seconds
So like don't put money that you can't afford to lose. It's like a huge huge like disclaimer
And this is and this is the key I trust me
It's the same way like I'm pretty strapped for cash right now
And like who would have guessed that like living in LA is expensive. Nobody told me
This is an LA and like who hundred dollars is gone like you just dollar wars
Smoothies like $20 and like everyone says Oh Dubai is so expensive like look at the most expensive
Places in the world and like Dubai is not even there. It's like, New York
Now Dubai's actually there. I was looking at I'm sorry to cut you off. Go ahead
No, that's that's it. Just American American cities are like way more expensive again. I breathe in Los Angeles $20 smoothie
So I just want to say before it like you cook leap
I was in New York and I had no fucking business spending that much
Absolutely. No business at all came out there came out there, you know, not a lot of money
Left with like fucking negative two dollars. Not gonna lie
Yeah, New York was pricey New York was definitely pricey
I mean, I was looking at apartments in Dubai dude. Nice apartments are way less expensive than you think it's
Like it's actually pretty affordable to live in Dubai. I mean obviously how much is it dude?
I saw an apartment for like 1200 a month and it was like 800 on me
Mika how much is it to like buy like a nice like condo there and like a good area? I
Just choose to not interact with the UK money. Why?
Because it's dangerous. I know I'm gonna be set up for something
Do a bit there's no set up in punchline like bro like wait wait, I gotta make a fucking weird
All right, cool anyways guys now we're gonna go the hands here
Yeah, so I'm drinking right now a vanilla Coca-Cola. This might be a week old. It was sitting on my nightstand
I don't even know how I got here, but I will say that the bubbles are underrated now
I think it's like $800 12. I don't I was just killing time
I didn't know what I was gonna say
But I do think that it's not as expensive to live in Dubai. Honestly, there's a lot of places in the world
I was looking at them dude in so this is the thing
I want to go back to Syria and Syria is obviously pretty affordable right now
There's also like a war going on
So at some point I would like to go back to the Middle East because just the Middle East in general it
Affordable great culture great people great food
Like real family values and like there's just so much there. So if I was looking at Bali is
Well, like the whole Dubai thing like you guys have to understand that every single day. There's a web 3 event
So like let's say when Twitter gets a little toxic
This isn't the reality like this isn't you know
This isn't like web 3 and then I go and I meet up with you know
All the web through people here and there's constantly people coming in and there's constantly people coming out
Like they're like every there's always like movement
There's always different people
But the best part is is that there's things that are happening all the time and these things are free as well
Like you know, it's not like you have to have NFTs for this like you can just like meet up people here are super friendly
You know, everybody's like also like in there like, you know mid 30s or so like it's not like clicky
There's no like high school like weird like American type drama
Like everybody's like on their grind doing their thing and super helpful as well
Okay, so can you please like since you're out there networking, you know doing your thing being a fucking
Boss girl out there. Can you please show them Arabic three-digit?
ENS's I have been bag holding one
Like I bought in at to eat, please for the love of God
No, but you know here that the license plates like they actually went super bullish on the Arabic ENS and like there I do
I don't have any but I and not financial advice
But there could be a future in this because the license plate here are
Like so they have like numbers like one, you know
Two three four and like whoever has one I think it's like the leader like the number one
Wasn't it like like seven million dollars or something on that?
You're giving me the exact same sales pitch that these ENS motherfuckers gave me and they're like, oh, bro
You buy it for to eat. There's only
999 like like the fucking Arabs are gonna come in and they're gonna
They're gonna fucking, you know back up the bring truck like, you know, the show easy is gonna flip
B-A-Y-C and I was like dude like I'm a fucking genius. I bought one for 1.9
Eat it went to six and everyone's like, oh like like don't paper hand a six
Don't be a bitch and then like literally fucking point 1.2. I
Feel like yeah, that's the biggest griff. No one wants talk about it. Yeah
No, we need to talk about it. So I feel like if you didn't get um grifted like you would have no content
So I feel like it's almost like part of your lore
Like you need to like it came on a like you need to get screwed over else
You just won't be funny anymore and then we're fucked then we got leap making jokes about is like
Just realize how cyclical this is so this is how it goes like I make a I make like a just dumb
Bag off of a meme coin and then I just eat shit for two years straight until the next meme coin
So it's like this literally like in 2021 exact same shit to happen
I had one dub and then I just lost everything and then like like what do you know?
I'm like, oh, I love NFTs and it's like crypto bats like 16th loss, you know
I mean like oh cool pets fucking no three like I beat lost like literally I bought every goddamn top
Like I like I make money in shit coin season and then I lose it all in NFTs and while I'm losing it
I have content. So I think you're absolutely right
Wait, wait came on eat. Why don't you need to do like a collab with Ozzy Osbourne?
Like that needs to go down. I got rugs. So
2.6 it wasn't even it was against my own will it was against my it was a friend that was like
And it's you know when someone says that with those when their eyes and their pupils start to dilate and the gremlin voice starts to
Come out like you're fuck. You're not getting any of that money back, dude
Okay, so like the worst part about it
I like and I feel terrible about this like okay one of my boys like he's like an IRL like one of my longest
Friends, um, he's in crypto like he's he's one of those like super XRP maxis, you know the type
Dude like like it's like well
He'd trade you know, it's like someone owed him money and they gave him a fucking Mercedes
S63 AMG and he traded it for
But anyways, like so like that's the kind of guy he is
Uh, and so he wasn't in NFTs at all only like he was only just watching XRP videos for their 20 minutes long
Talk about how it's gonna be like the world currency like and so I was telling him like bro
Like NFTs like they're the future that this with that and I got him into crypto bats
The motherfucker spent like I think like 10 ETH on a fucking golden one. He's like, oh, bro
He's like I'm gonna mutate this like, you know
I'm gonna make a gold like, you know board ape like it's gonna like and I'm gonna sell that for you know
Like the price of a gold board ape and I was like bro, like that sounds good
Like the math is math thing and like he literally has not touched an NFT since and he reminds me about it
Crypto bats were I mean that was one of the big ones when I first was like early
2022 kind of getting more involved in NFTs and I just like I looked at it and I was like this seems cool
I like pixel art Aussie Osborne is a big name
Celebrity NFTs was the thing back then and they still weren't heavily fudded like they would still kind of do well
And I remember I listened to one Twitter and no disrespect to the team or whatever
I mean, I'm sure they tried their best or whatnot
You know, I listened to one Twitter space and immediately I was like dude
I'm not touching this like that. This is those they have no idea what they're doing and I do admit
It's way harder to make an NFT successful than like we can just sit up here and criticize
But let's be honest really fucking hard. It's not an easy answer on how to do it
As your props to the people that try but when I was leaving the
What event was it at NFT LA last year? I can't even remember what the event was and I was leaving and all my friends
Had left. I'm waiting for my uber. It's like 1 a.m. 2 a.m
I think I like one or two drinks, but everyone else just plastered piling out of this place and
These guys like I'm by the fucking side of the road
Like I'm not even near anybody these guys walk up to me and they're just lost just gone. They've done over GG
They're so drunk and they're like, hey
Me and me me they walk. Hey, you heard about crypto bats
Like yeah, I've heard about it. What is what are you talking about? He's like gets like so close
He leans and he's like breathing on my fucking neck and just smell like gin and tonics on it. He's like
We created it and we have so many more slay celebrity IPS and to be honest
This guy could have been completely lying. Like I have no idea who this guy was
I don't even remember what he looks like. Maybe he was just lying
But uh, anyway, that's that's the story but dude, they had actually cool functionality
You could bite other NFTs and get traits from that. Hey, that's pretty cool. I guess really cool actually
Mean I'm not gonna lie Mika like I think you're you're my kind of cut out and you kind of sound like a demon
I know it. I know it is like demon hours here in America, but just just a heads up
But dude leap so like they fucked up on the mutation and like me as a humongous
Bagholder, like I literally spent like 20 grand on these things
Realized the fuck up like the mo because like everyone's like oh the mutation like it's like the biggest catalysts ever like, you know
Imagine what board a fucking crypto bats are gonna sell for and the thing that they'd never fucking accounted for
Was the fact that like when a bat is like it can only bite once right?
There was no way to see if a bat fucking has been bitten like in the fucking open C contract
And then like it took them a week to ship out a fucking website with like a bite checker
But at this point literally so many goddamn people got wrecked
Oh, and then guess what guess fucking what dude think about all the goddamn dilution of your collection
You have 10,000 fucking crypto bats or 6,000 like whatever the fuck
However many already too many and then it's like guess what times that by two
And it was like it was a shit show and I remember like they were so hyped cuz everyone's like
Oh like alien friends crypto bats and honestly
I love I love a lot of people from alien friends
But like another one of those kind of projects then like I don't know like I like I know a lot of people that fucking
Bought the absolute like I'm just like I'm actually loving the NFT space now
like where it is cuz like I feel like I feel like all the projects that are like staying afloat are like
Good projects. I'm not like trying to dig out like crypto bats or alien friends or anything
But like I just think they were like completely overpriced like a hundred percent like in like it
Helped that ETH was like fucking 4,000 goddamn dollars
2.6 aetheria like 2.3 or something. We're like, I don't know that was like pretty wild and it's like, you know
I'll bash everybody. What the hell? Where is everyone? What do you mean?
You're charging to a theorem when like things were bullish and you're gone
And then yeah, you only get one shot in this space. So like the fact that they messed up their contract
I remember that it was like a huge like it was a huge blow
It felt like horrible because you're just like oh this is gonna like this this is gonna pump and do great
But like at the end of the day, I'll like I'll say bash the team. Where are they? You don't see any of their tweets
You don't see them. They're not in Twitter spaces. Like, you know for projects like that
You're doing all of that and then you just disappear like a year later
Hosted social audio spaces, that would be amazing
What's it called the the new platform no, I don't don't even start shilling blue sky spaces in there but
And imagine if fucking Ozzy Osbourne actually did host some spaces that would have been the only utility that project really needed
I'm not gonna lie. Ozzy Osbourne spaces would have been peak entertainment
Is it Karen or is it Sharon? Oh
Don't know if you're like, you know in a tunnel or what's going on but uh, your connections wigging out buddy
No, it's not it sounds good to me
No, no, I can't say I can't I can't now now you got to no
I believe that story though, by the way
I feel like any motherfucking in LA is just the first to tell you what they do
I swear so you go up to anybody like oh
Yeah, I did that like you you walk into like some stores like oh, that's my clothes
It's like it row anywhere you go like they just they're right. You don't even gotta ask brothers gonna tell you like yep
Is it before they even say their name? Oh, you don't get the name
It's actually true. Like if you're an NFT project founder in LA
It's like you might as well be doing like CrossFit or like fucking yoga or like, you know
Be a fucking man in your 30s taking fucking cold plunges
It's like that's the first thing you're gonna like lead with like I remember like my first fucking like web 3 like, you know
Hollywood Hills party actually Mika like that's that's where I ran into you
I think at that one party, but I do like I had like some fucking NFT project founder that like came up to me
He's like, he's like, yeah, bro, like, you know, I've seen your videos. I'm like, oh, that's cool, man
Like, you know, thanks and he's just like he's like, yeah, man
He's like, you don't know how much fucking money I made off my name NFT
I was like, I was like, no, like I don't really give a fuck. He's like $10 million. I'm like, that's kind of crazy
He's like, yeah, bro. He's like he's like it's sick man
He's like he's like all you gotta do is you just gotta like hype things up and then like, you know
You just gotta like fucking pump your floor price temporarily and then you just gotta figure out the next way to like, you know
Fucking just do something. I was like, oh, that's cool. Like what's your long-term vision?
He's like just keep figuring out like ways. I could maybe get the floor price up
I was like, that's actually kind of bullish
But yeah, we invite him up. No, honestly, he's the worst human being ever. I don't want anything to do with them
He's like hit me up so many times to like promote like he's like I'm doing a drop with like blank and I was like
I don't care like he's like, okay. He's like, can I announce it on like NGMI? And I was like, no
So yeah shot to him if he's listening. He definitely knows who he is
LA like NFT founders in LA are like some of the worst people
With the exception of Frank. Have you ever actually like met someone who just frequently does cold plunges?
I guess I feel like that actually is like the
Are you fucking bro, like like my my neighbor my neighbor and his girl like they're both personal trainers
Are you kidding me? Like every 7 a.m
like the first thing I hear is just like a
Splash and then just like a fucking like, you know, like an Instagram story being recorded like just like oh like, you know
Discipline like here's it. Here's a quote I read today. Like it's by fucking
Andrew Tate, bro. I just imagine like the first time y'all interact the very first time y'all interact is like, hey
You know, what's up? I'm Kay money
You plunge we bring Sarah's up
Yeah, Oh gee, that's very realistic cuz like, you know me in LA I open with I'm Kay money
I'm actually Kay dollar sign the people call me Kay money
Scary it's like a filled with a bunch of cyborgs
And it's like, you know that in every house there's a tick-tock being created like eerily, you know
And like you walk around and you're just like, oh, you know, like there's something on Mika
We literally Kevin it was the funniest shit ever like like leap looked at me. He's like, I've never seen this before I
Swear so we were walking and we were in the parking garage. We just grabbed lunch
Also, I had truffles for the first time. Honestly, they're not overrated
You're living you're you're you're living. No, I mean you forgot puppet it was oh last night
I wrote a scooter for the first time in that wild I
Got in the back who isn't in the front. No, no, no, so it was
So we were we were leaving the IRL event
We had we went to like the bar after and then we were coming back and our car was like maybe a 10-minute walk away
So threads like I'm like, oh, yeah, like we'll walk gonna be a nice little walk
We're not fucking walking. We're riding these scooters. I said thread. I've never ridden a scooter before
I've actually never rode a bike either
I don't know how to ride a bike and I like I don't know how to do any of that stuff
I can drive a car barely. Don't worry guys. I'm gonna teach him how to ride a bike. I'm leaps
Bro, I don't know how to ride a bike either
If ever I'm like gonna like it like say anything about leap
Like I'll just remember he can't ride a bike and then I'm like, well, I can't say anything like I can't
so that's actually crazy, but I just imagine like the scooters with leap and TG like
TG's got fucking leap in the Titanic position, you know
Tg's hold on tight at different. We had different scooters. We're not we want so late. Oh, no, no in this story
No, don't lie, bro. Yeah, don't lie
I know you literally both faded Pepe you guys couldn't afford to scooters
So like you're listening to old town road and you're just saying like I got the right guy in the back
Okay, we got okay. First of all
Let me just tell the scooter story
So we're he's like we're gonna ride the scooters and there's nothing you do about it. We're riding the scooters
I'm getting to the car and I'm leaving without you if you don't come with the scooter
I said I literally like begged him. Please. No, like I'm in the middle of the street. Please. I'm begging for my life here
I don't want to ride the scooter because it's one of these motorized scooters. They go like five miles per hour
He's like I'm buying two scooters. Don't waste my money. I'm buying them no matter what I'm like begging him
Please I don't do it. Like everyone's like watching us. He gets the second scooter gets first scooter
He gets on the scooter he starts doing like fucking drifts and like grinding on the railing and all just going absolutely wild
And I'm like, I don't even know what I'm gonna I really don't know what I'm gonna do here
I don't even know how to balance on the damn thing
So I'm trying to ride it and I kid you not ten minute
What would have taken ten minutes to walk took us 30 minutes on electric scooters?
Because I couldn't make it more than five feet and my legs were so sore goes like hitting it from the back trying to like hold
There is no fucking way on like on this fucking planet earth that you're like, you know what you're doing, bro
You're just like, oh like I was just trying to ride it
It's like I'm hitting it from the back
Like why would when would it like when ever would riding a scooter and hitting it from the back ever be in the same?
What do you mean they're hitting it from the blood bro, let me rephrase so I was it was so hard and I was riding it
And it was there's no way
My legs were so sore because I was right like I kid you not I came to walk go I can't even go up the stairs
It's ridiculous. And it just I was so sore after riding it
No, no, okay. Well, let me rephrase the point is so at NFT
New York at the kid called Beast event
I don't know what happened but like somehow I like fell to the left and I fucked up my it's still to this day
Fucked up I like, you know, your knee goes back and forward doesn't go to the side and went all the way to the side
And I didn't realize how bad it was until the next morning when I literally fell down the hotel stairs
Cuz my legs collapse under weight. Is that why you had the knee problems?
You've been wearing knee pads any time an NFT founder goes on stage. So that was no that's for that's for a different purpose
Okay. So anyway, I'm riding the scooter and by the end of it, I was able to go pretty like fast
But I was taking it slow initially and I get when you're riding it where you can reverse cowgirl
Anyway, so we wrote it. I was drenched in sweat though after riding it. No, there's literally absolutely no way you're continuing
Well, I like I literally bro like I cannot believe this is how I chose to like like I have like I have like my
Nightcap, are you kidding me? Like dude, bro. Do you know what thread guys doing right now?
He's at the movie theaters by himself
Okay, he asked me if I want to went with him bro at this rate
Like I didn't know you'd be fucking hitting it from the back on a scooter
But he said he's riding it buddy literally said he's a riding it slow drenched in sweat. There's just no
No, dude, I swear by the end of it
I felt like I had done like a whole workout and the reason is because I was I was like putting way too much
pressure on the right leg I
Can't anyway, how moist did it get leap? How moist did it get I was fucking drenched and
anyway, the point is those things are
Scary like what the hell they go like 10 miles per hour and there's like no way to
Anyway, it's hard to balance on them. I got a ride. I can't even think about a scooter anymore
Like the whole story is gone and yeah, there's not even a scooter in this story anymore
Wait, it's something else long and no, no, so you know, we forgot the reason I was talking about the scooter is because
We started with the tick-tock story Kevin and I had just gone to lunch
we were leaving we're going to the garage get in the car and
Right as we're like having some conversation about whatever and I just hear to the right this guy go
Oh my god, like are you this guy? Like I your pockets are so full and
He's like doing you know those videos where it's like man on the street
But they run up to the person in the car and they're like, oh like your car so nice
Like how do you make money and you know that everybody knows those videos?
they're actually they're decent depending on what it is, but that's what we saw and
I'd never seen somebody film a tick-tock
It was the funniest thing cuz like he's doing those like, you know, like how'd you get so rich videos?
But like the dude the tick-tock of you hitting him from the back. Okay. No tik-tok of me
Dude I'm fucking done dude
But yeah, that was hilarious there cuz we just see people that take talking like and then like the guys doing like
How'd you get so rich video and like had I don't know how like I've like like this was like the worst
Tesla I've ever seen in my life
Like it looked like the base model
But like for some reason like it just looked janky like it has cloth seats
They don't even like tesla's don't even have cloth seats
I had like just fucking like just Pringles all over it like dense in it looked like a fucking crush-up soda can and like
Dude, it like bleep. Just like like just like looks at me. He's like I've never seen this before
Dude, I did you not being in that so like I mean look it's not like I grew up
Like I would still in America, right?
Did you not so still went to high school so went to school here in the States and in Virginia
But I kid you not like the area we lived in. I mean, there's nothing like this. So in LA it's every day
I go out. I see something new. I went to the bar for the first time last night and I
People like dress up and they they go
I don't even like I'm trying to understand what nightlife is here like everyone's dressing up
They're going and then everyone just stands around looking at each other. You know
What is the purpose of this? Is it are people trying to like, you know hook up or like what?
It works or like why it works
And this whole raised concept is still very new to me. So I'm trying to figure that part out
Yeah, Lee. What is uh, what is your is look like dude? Oh, oh gee. Oh gee. Oh gee
I just got this about leap like the man has
Okay, here. Let me put on my knee pads. They're kind of shaky from fucking hitting it from the back on a scooter
But dude leap has like the most natural Riz
And I think it's just because like he just doesn't care about like anything and he's just like so fat
Like he's doing he's just so fascinated that fact that like there's you know, actual bars
It's not just people just drinking paps blue ribbon in a fucking barn
So like like ever like literally like if there's like a female at any like anywhere like they'll just come up to him
Like even at the grocery store, bro
Like I went to the grocery store with them do every single woman just like walked up to him for no reason and we're just like
Asking him, you know, like if we can go to the hands or something. It was so weird
So the new cut has leap going crazy, but you're in the bars like uh, wait, there's no fucking farm animals in here
How the hell do you guys even function? Okay. So first of all paps blue ribbon? I've not heard of PBRs in so long
That's literally what we used to do in Virginia was just drink like PBRs and Miller lights in basements
That's like oh, we're going out like we're going out with the crew literally just going to the basement
Tonight's gonna be a movie and then it's like just you walk down like the creaky stairs and like there's just like shitty fucking like
1960s rock but not even the good stuff playing and then just like some like lukewarm fucking PBRs and it's like
Oh my god, like look dude, like like like catch this snap
And he just take like this snap of like just four dudes that look like they've been on reddit all day
like just like in the blurriest most potato phone of all time and like this snap text reads like just like
Like I live for nights like this
So to be honest that so I used to have this friend, uh in virginia
We used to hang out all the time. We hung out every day for a few years and then he ended up robbing me
But that's a different story
um, anyway, we used to walk it's a he was
Not something you glazed over like if you were gonna glaze over it, you shouldn't have mentioned it now
You gotta now you gotta get into it. Yeah. I mean look, I mean I had this friend and honestly
He was such a good friend to me
We were great friends hung out every day for a couple years literally every day
like it was just the thing I just go over in his house, he lived like five minutes away from me and
He had this basement it was the basement this is where we all chilled it was like creaky stairs going in the basement
Literally, this was the furniture. It'd be like three bins
You know like those bins that concrete comes in or like paint comes in it'd be like four three four of them
And we just sit on those and like a tiny little coffee table
And there'd be like this old crt tv and we just like put on naruto or place you grow up on the set of that
70s show it was it was like here. It was like that. Anyway
It got kind of gets kind of dark. He went down a bad path with like opiates and shit like that
So that can like there's a huge problem in virginia with that sort of stuff
Um, so then he ended up, you know kind of going wild and it was what it was
But dude, that's really what we did in virginia
Like we expect no, okay, so northern virginia is much more modern
Like vienna area tyson's corner that if anybody's in virginia, you know those areas that's where things popping
It's actually really expensive up there to live to operate whatever it is
I don't know if you could say popping in virginia in the same science, but pop off king, you know, it sounds like made up
So like did he like steal money from you so okay, so he like was he hitting your wallet from the back
Okay, you're gonna make him riz
Look, we we used to do square dancing all the time
Like that's what we would we would go out and like square dance bro
Is that what like your idea of a lit night was hold up?
Yo, let's hit the farm and get squirre. Dude, it bro
It all like literally everything makes sense now because like when when like leap tg
And I like went to the fucking club like last week
Like, you know, we're just like, you know
We got a table we're popping bottles and then like leap like looks and he's just like
Like I seem to go to the dance floor. I'm like, okay leap
And like the motherfucker just started square dancing and I was like dude like it all makes sense now
No, he's like bro. Why aren't you guys playing luke brian in here?
Yo, shout out to luke brian though. Um loki the goat, you know, I think
Actually, I maybe heard like two of his songs
Um anyways, dude, I mean like virginia was cool though, because we literally literally what you just described is what we would do
So we would this is would be like
He's okay, so that part i'm not gonna get too much into it
But basically he stole all my game consoles and a little bit of cash and he's just fucking pawned them off
It's just lame. It just barely got I would have bought them from him
Like he could have stole them from me
I would have bought him from him for more than he sold them to the pawn shop
But again, that's a big problem in virginia because when there's nothing to do
All people end up doing is just getting intoxicated
Like that's that's literally all there is to do a night out for us
We used to hang out on the farm all the time and most of my friends lived on farms
And we would just get like a bunch of sticks together and like maybe some cardboard boxes
Just light them on fire leap that would leap. Did you ever go cow tipping?
Okay, first of all that is a myth you cannot tip a cow no matter how hard you try it promise and
Not that I would know from experience
And second of all, dude cows are lit like they're fucking big and they're like
They just like produce milk. It's like think about what you didn't answer. You didn't answer my question
Have you tried to tip a cow?
Objection leading continue. So I mean, okay, so I got close to a cow one time in the middle of the night
But anybody who's like, oh, yeah, you're sitting here from the back. No, okay
This is fucking ridiculous
Aya cows are scary like you think all cows are so cute. They're like the puppies of the farm world, dude
They're huge and they sometimes they get angry and they have horns and they will really fuck you up
But they're dude cows are such beautiful animals
Honestly, like I don't want to get to the whole cow debate but
Yes, yes or no leaf. Did you tip a cow also?
No, I didn't should we try like cow meme coin?
They literally bring it back to the point of like uh, you literally said you guys would just light shit on fire for entertainment
Like what kind of cave man? Hold on og og. Okay, so
Like first of all, where do you even live?
Uh, anyways, that's good. Okay. So here's the thing. Uh,
I grew up in like palm dale, california, which is like the worst place on earth ever
And it's like in like the middle of the desert like 45 minutes north of like la
And there's nothing to do there except for like drugs alcohol and like lighting shit on fire
So like I I got I gotta have leaps back on this bro, dude
Honestly, there's nothing more fun than getting together with your friends having a couple drinks smokes
Whatever it is lighting some shit on fire and also in virginia, especially where I was
That's such a wild statement. I just made in virginia where I was
Like in la you don't really see this like when you look up in the air in la you don't see the start in virginia
You see everything it's incredible. It's so beautiful and I kind of miss that here
Um, but I mean la is awesome, too. I mean like we dunk on la one obviously
It's you know a joke to do so but l.a. It's really sick. I love would you say that you burned?
Nfts before you could burn nfts
No, we burned chairs. Mostly. It's like old wooden chairs. Like that's really what was our good
Like we just had a plethora in like it's just a huge amount of chairs everywhere. We burned them and we used to like
Stack them up and try to like do it was it was fun. We had these big fields and at the hay bales
What's your carbon footprint?
Um, probably like a 10 and a half 11
Um, but I think ultimately
Anyway, that's besides the point. Um, yeah, dude
I mean I kind of miss those days because it was just much more simple
I think I had some crypto at that time. Do you want to do you want to come back to vegas to me on sunday?
Game money. Do you want to come?
That's 10 thing. Honestly, just uh, i'm i'm just like i'm definitely commenting
But I don't know if i'm gonna go to vegas just to see the stars, you know, because you can actually
Well, I mean are we gonna are we gonna fucking take like, you know, the fucking bowing with like spelled with a three
I don't know. Like are we gonna take the jet or no? What do you think dog?
Dude, I mean like bro i'm i'm down. I could you know, I could just cancel all my meetings and like everything I got going
I've been listening to connie. I can't tell me nothing. Yeah. No, listen
It's like k money pepe moon can't tell k money nothing
Tell all your meetings to come to las vegas. That's your energy right now. Okay money. That's that you have that privilege
Hey, man, you're literally a shit coin. Your name is k money
Okay, let's not give anyone ideas now. Okay, like m lau also dude. Hold on
How do we have three lau and m lau like like like why does like m lau's name look like it just likes like three lau right now
Um, but here's the thing bro. Here's the thing leap. Do you actually want to go to vegas or what?
Uh, I mean it's it's tempting. I mean we're we're literally moving on. Oh, yeah, you're fucking moving that day
Wait, where are you moving out of crenshaw? Is that what's going on?
Yeah, unfortunately, uh, there's got to say bye to crenshaw and we're going to west hollywood and
About that bro. This dude switched up bro. He switched off. So so much
You know, I love like I love i'm telling you
There's nowhere better to get shrimp scampi than the tent on the corner. Oh my god, bro
I've heard about this fucking shrimp scampi literally. Is it that good? Is it that good leap dude? They
It's bus and bus and for real for real
It's like they really just shop it up
I'm telling you and this is how you like we got to be appreciative even if you miss out
This is a good thing even if you miss out on pepe whatever it is
We got to be appreciative of the money that gets made in the space even if you do more wins or one
There's someone on the stage that that didn't miss out
Anyway, the shrimps. Okay, so they're in the tent and it's like I told this story the other day this this family
It's like the parents and the kids and they work all day
Seven days a week 24 seven making fucking shrimp scampi and selling it and they work so hard
And I i'm sure they're making some money, but you know, it's not like they're they're cooking and making the you know
Breaking the bank whatever it is
So we got to be appreciative of the money in the space because there's people out there fucking grinding seven days a week
Hard labor hard jobs. It's hot outside. They're in this like little tent dude. It's cold right now, bro
What the hell? Well, why is it cold? They got like
It actually is cold in in l.a. We're that guy and I were talking about that earlier
It seems to be cold. Apparently if you go past the valley
Like studio city that area it's like 20 degrees colder at any given time or is it 20 degrees hotter?
It's when something like the mountain changes the temperature or something like that or hotter summer
I still can't get over the fact there was like this
After school activity of burning things across the country like this is wild to me like you and k money
Justin you've never burned shit, bro
No, I did not meet up with my friends after school and put chairs in a row and start letting them on fire
I mean, I feel like that's a little bit different than just randomly lighting. I don't know man. I think it's pretty close, you know
Man, it was randoms. And by the way, we didn't put them in a row we stacked them
The thing is like there's a lot of different ways you can stack chairs to light them on fire
You could watch them like crumble and shit. That's kind of sick. Honestly
Like what chair falls first and hits gary on the head burning. All right, and if we're gamifying burning shit
I'm actually kind of interested. Okay, so we used to do turtle racing as well
So there's like a lot of turtles and we would just like
Because there was like a creek and rivers and all this shit
So you get the turtles and no turtles were harmed in this and we'd always like give them treats and shit
But you just put them down and they would just race they would go off the races
And that's what we did. That's literally what we did. We didn't have gloves to go out. You didn't have wi-fi for a while
right like three years four years
So I graduated high school 2013. So from 2012
Till 2021. I did not have wi-fi at my house
and this is why I got really into audio engineering because
I would go to school and I would just download all the plugins and I just come back and I was just engineer all day
That's all I had to do. That's the only thing I had I couldn't play games online
And I didn't really have consoles at the time. I like a ds and things but
Um, yeah, so I didn't have internet for a while before that I did have internet
But it was I think 82 or 78 kilobytes a second
Kilobytes it was it took two weeks to download world of warcraft
And every time it would get like 80 90 percent done my dad because we had one computer
My dad would go and he'd like check his email
But in order to check his email he just for some reason always had to exit everything else out on the computer
So it took a little like months to download world of warcraft. There's a two-week download and every time it would get canceled. It was
Infuriorating. Um, but dude, yeah, we didn't have
Like it wasn't that available in the areas and this is the thing
This is why something like starlink is so important
Because there are many places in the united and let alone the rest of the world
But there's still many places in the united states that does not have access to high-speed internet
Like we take you take it for granted here everywhere. The internet's good la wherever you might be if you're in a city
Many country areas. The only option they have is hues net
After you spend as you do like a gig of data, and that's not very much especially for watching videos things like that
Uh, so internet is something you really can't take for granted
It's incredible and to be honest the year that we got wi-fi was the year that I
Got into defi. So like they kind of like once I had access to internet
I immediately just started diving into stuff and
And the internet is important. So I want to make sure whenever I have kids like dude, they got the high-speed internet
access to everything the good devices because that's how you
I don't know. That's how you experiment. So
You can pay like 10 grand and they will bring a wire a cable like from some other area to you, but that's
Yeah, it's super expensive. So what ended up when we eventually got wi-fi
It wasn't just like a big it wasn't like verizon came and was like, oh you have wi-fi on your area
One of our neighbors set up a satellite on a fucking water tower like himself. He like climbed up set it up on the water
We our area like our little area what's it called late leap by one of google maps it
I will I will do city. No, no, no, why are you tell the space?
No, no, he's gonna tell his like
Like bro, bro, bro. Why are you trying to make him dock the hometown? Dude, come on, bro
You can't dock the hometown. We're fucking you know, like like little jason
Yeah, he's just like burning chairs right now like
There's like eight people in the city bro. Okay, fine. Dm it to me
Security risk now that you're a pepe gazillionaire, so
But anyway, the point is he set up the tower
He climbed up on the water tower and he put the satellite up there and it he somehow
And I don't know if this was illegal or not
So maybe I should be saying this on the space
But he would be pulled the internet from somewhere else
like he figured out a way to like tap into the mainframe the wireframe and
He pulled the internet and then he sold it to everybody in our neighborhood
Who the fuck was your neighbor?
Like I want to meet this dude and his name is frank d gods. Um
I just came back from a shower and like why is every single story like leap either getting robbed or like some neighbor betrayal
Like what's going on? I don't think that wasn't the betrayal. That wasn't the betrayal
That was his neighbor hooking him up to the internet. That was that was the hero that city needed for real
Dude bill he was incredible. Like he was the town matchmaker
He was town matchmaker. He like set up all the weddings. He was the priest. He was the internet guy
He's the pep emotionally. He's a plumber. He literally did everything that guy was he was great
Wait, so did you just like like leave a check at his door every month for the internet? Like how does that work?
Yeah, no, we would so all the neighbors that wanted it and it was like either you paid for it or didn't get it
So it was fifty dollars a month and I think it was like eight megabytes a second
Which again was the fastest internet that i'd ever seen they get changed in my life to have eight megabytes a second download
And yeah, dude, I mean internet is super important. And again, you think it's bad in those southern virginia areas?
There are places in west virginia. You don't even think like how can this be real?
Like why isn't the government helping it's that bad in west virginia in some areas
So there's still so many places that they need to more infrastructure
Were you from virginia virginia or west virginia? No virginia virginia southern virginia
Dude, west virginia is you don't even believe it's a real place you drop. I've ever been there to be honest
They don't have a bill over there
Yeah, there's no there's no
That was delayed. That was good. Justin
I went to west virginia for the first time because my school had sent me to play at west virginia university like some piano shit
And I remember we it was like me and my friend don't brush that over you had a recital in west virginia
Well, it was so when I was in university used to be a pianist
So when I was in university the school would it was really the one good thing about small schools
Is that you know, there's not that many people there and you have an opportunity to shine
I was like one of three piano players in the school. So they would send us all around the country to go play at these
Conferences and things like that and these were all like very experimental like electronic music conferences and i'm i'm a classical pianist
So trying to meld those two worlds was was a challenge
But I remember we were going to west virginia university. We're driving through the mountains and I was looking around
I just couldn't even believe that people were living
In that way, like it was honestly so disheartening that like in modern day united states in those areas. It's just
It's not great. It's not great. So we still have a lot of work to do here
And um, I mean let alone the rest of the world. I mean syria half a half of syria doesn't even have internet connection
Or at least not like stable internet connection. Go ahead blah
It's crazy hearing that because I just I just like picked up my door dash at 1 a.m of like vietnamese food
Um, but yeah continue by your rule
Wait, I about 30 minutes ago. I doordash the enemies through two
I love so uber eats by the way might be one of the most like uber and in doordash and lift and all these things
Honestly, imagine 30 years ago. Someone tells you you're just gonna
Use an app on your phone and a random person like we used to say like don't listen to don't talk to strangers
Don't get in a random person's car
You get in a random person's car and they just drive you wherever it is the most wild idea. It's it's
Yo, you want to know something even crazier?
When you're like gonna watch tv or something and you need new batteries in your remote, which like let's be real
most of us have apple remotes, but
Sometimes, you know something in your house needs a fucking double a battery
And then you can get them delivered to you
In like a matter of seconds, or I should say hours
That's fucking crazy because batteries are important. You know what I'm saying?
Dude, I remember so many batteries were rare, too
Like they're always hard to get because you have to go to specific dude rare and then you'd go to the group
You'd go to the fucking drugstore and then they'd be out of these they'd be out of these batteries
They just wouldn't have d's or c's. I thought that was a d's not honestly
Ready for it to happen, but I don't think block could do it
No, I like started and then I stopped because i'm not as funny as cute money, you know
Well, I mean look it the I guess the thing is oh
Wait, actually though. Hold on. So another thing that's really cool about the internet
this cryptocurrency called turbo
The reason why it's cool is only because I actually heard the story
About the guy who created it
Who was already following me on twitter, which was such an honor because I followed him back
And then we got in the dms, you know
And this guy literally used chat gpt to create a meme coin
Genius you guys if you guys haven't read the thread
Now imagine if you followed him back earlier and you were able to get in the coin earlier
It would then what then what?
Well, then maybe I don't know you could have bought another ferrari blau. I don't know. I don't know. Okay
I feel like blau just laughed and rich and I just felt so poor
On god, bro. Oh god, like wait, did I actually sound that bad? No, no, no
Like like that was like yeah, like i'm just like, oh, yeah
You could have gone the coin early and like, you know to anyone else that's like, yeah
You could have made like, you know seven figures and you're just like
My feed is literally a bunch of people saying you're just coping that you didn't get into pepe and i'm like
Yeah, I really missed out dog
So that's that's my that's my coping mechanism with the eight
Right now that i'm getting I kind of like the
So I I was looking at the the creator of turbo because after we were at the irl thing everyone in person was so excited about it
People people were telling me like this is the greatest work of art the greatest artistic expression that the space has ever seen
I'm like, okay. I got to really look into this thing
So I went to his profile and he was following me too
And I didn't know the guy i've never talked to him before followed him back and I was looking more into it
And I have no estimates on price. I don't hold any of the token. I probably not going to buy
But I think it is interesting that and it's not the first AI coin that there was one before six months ago
But it didn't really pop off
But this one, I mean, it's just interesting how this stuff work because he built it in the open and like hold
His followers on what he should do
It was just the process of it that I thought was really
Like I could give less of a shit about any of these random coins that mean nothing
The thing that stuck out the most to me
Was somebody who didn't know code deploying a contract in a moderately secure way
And then I guess today revoking
Ownership, etc. I think he did it today. Maybe he didn't i'm not sure but
The whole the whole point is just that like
I guess in the first shit coin era
It was really hard to make a shit coin like you couldn't just do it and it was very difficult to learn
Especially if you didn't know anything about code, even if you did it was difficult to learn
And now we just asked the ai
Literally make me a meme coin
And then it's 200. It's a 200 million dollar market cap coin
That the ai made like as much as I think the pepe meme history
And pump whatever like that's kind of fine. I could care less. I think the story behind this
Guy who was just like ai make me a meme coin
And it functioning and then it taking off because of the story
Is actually just like I don't even I don't have like a positive or negative opinion about it
I just I I find it interesting. It's definitely interesting
I think what makes it more interesting is that
If an nft project like did the entire project in ai like everyone be like this is a rug
So I mean yeah, you know what I mean that's actually true
I actually the narrative is actually really cool though. Like I I definitely I definitely is that though
Because you're right. I actually do I agree with you if somebody made an nft project with ai everyone would be like
Yeah, fuck you. But why is it different for a meme coin?
I like i'm genuinely serious. Like why?
In our gut do we think it's stupid for an nft project but like interesting for a meme coin
Well, I mean I was so i've been thinking about this for a while
And this is something I I don't think i'm going to do it
But if anybody out there wants to do it, please go ahead
Create an this I had this idea for months i've talked about this a bunch
Have an nft project where you basically create a like maybe an llm or some sort of model
That you feed all the data of web 3 into i'm talking
Every twitter space audio because you can get all this all the transcripts all the tweets
Like literally everything discord server chats every piece of web 3 data that you can find
All the chart prices all that nft. Probably are you giving this space your business idea leap?
No, it's it's not a business. It's more like an art art thing that someone could do
And then you just it was a business idea yesterday. Well, that that was this is different
Let me just let me just finish and then you have the ai you have the model create an nft project
Like you have the ai be the founder of the project
And you like let it make all the decisions and you let it create the art you let it create everything just talk
Would you disclose that the founder is ai?
I mean it would it would just be frank. Yeah, but ai frank
Well, I mean whoever did this
Yeah, it would be like clearly like this model this llm this model that we trained ourselves
It is the founder of this project. How close to real frank. Do you think it would get?
I mean if you so you could train a model on frank in an hour
Like in an hour you could do it you could train it it could talk like frank
It could speak like frank you could train in its voice
This is something we've thought about before like could we train models on specific?
You know people within the space and yeah, it's pretty easy
You can scrape all the data and feed it feed into a model
So I think we're going to see more things like that in the future
But I don't know I just take someone to really like take initiative and go and do it
But yeah, I don't know it's cool
The the training of your own models is super interesting as well. It's just kind of expensive right now
Well, you can also use I mean my friend's company uber duck is pretty solid for this stuff
You don't have to use google collab
You could do a lot with it. It's got all the models up and then you could of course upload your own
And if you guys have been fucking with any of this, it's um, uber duck is just way better than google collab
in terms of not having to
reset runtime and fuck with everything because it's
Google collab is just a it's just a cloud python environment
Um, i'm now i'm i can talk uber duck would only be for audio though
Like it wouldn't help the entire project. Yeah. Yeah, it's fraud. It's only for correct. It is only for audio
So this is something I've been hearing about too
People are working on this thing for models, right? I can't believe we're back at ai
I was talking about just to clarify. I'm low. I was talking about like frank's frank's founder voice
Um, like literally training a model on frank's voice. That's what I was talking about. I I not not just like
Yeah, anyway, leave me blank. You go
So people are working and you and whether the frank model thinks someone's gonna we might even do it
Honestly like in collaboration with them
Like I think it would be cool to even have a leap bot or a blau bot or whatever it is
um, but people are working on this thing right now where and this is gonna
Level the entry for people wanting to start companies. Like if I want to start a company right now
I mean, you don't need that many people but let's say you want to scale up and you want to hire people qa person maybe an assistant
Like an outreach person whatever it is like
coders this and that people are working on models
That they're open source and they'd be shared across the world and like let's say this one model would be your
And or whatever it is and basically these models are employees that the world shares
And they constantly learn and adapt from all the projects
They're being put on and basically you'd be able to go plug and play get these models and just have an entire team
That you could work with and work for you for your company
And it would just be free like that sounds like sounds like digital slavery
That's a wild way to put it I
Uh, I mean it's ai I mean they're models. Um, and uh, I was just I was just channeling my my inner poly there for a second
Well, so they just be models and then not only this
It takes into the question
AI ethics and it's like do it should AI get like
Food breaks like should they get water breaks?
Do they do they get paid like what if it started to develop its own personality if it's only one?
There's a lot that that goes into that but we can talk about that a different day
I mean, isn't that like doesn't that fall under the umbrella of saying please and thank you to your AI
Did honestly, I mean I see please and thank you. Wait, wait
Eric, eric. Weinstein put it very well for the please and thank you
By force of habit not saying please feels fucking weird
So staying in the habit of saying please and thank you in general
No matter what you do when even if you're asking a machine
It's the fact that you're asking something to perform a service
That you that you remain in the habit of saying those things
I thought that was a really good way to put it because that that's that is a way better way of explaining why I say please
so, I mean this goes down and
I've brought this up before but roco's basilisk, which is the theory that if there is an omnipresent benevolent super intelligence that runs the world
That if you don't help it
Get to that point like if you don't help advance
Don't tell this bro don't put the curse on everybody again
On everyone, how dare you like literally somebody yesterday was like, are you sure you want to know?
Are you sure you want to know like it was a whole deep thing?
And you just like because now everybody will be cursed unless they help the advancement of ai
So now every single person in this room 360 people in this room need to not deny ai
Don't worry so much. Oh, yeah
Look until you just said that nobody knew uh, what leap was going to finish with uh, so now you just cursed everybody
So we're all fucked actually knew that leap's been saying it on like every space for the past like three weeks
Okay, i've said it on like three spaces. Wait
Wait guys side note. Um, I know we're not talking about the basket basilisk anymore
But like have you guys fucked have you guys fucked at all with quantum locking?
Can you elaborate what that means
Three-dimensional magnetism. Oh my god. It's so fucking sick. Just look it up. Look up quantum locking doing it right now
It's so fucking dope. You will see this and you will be like oh
Is this real? No, listen to this
Yo, uh, are you gonna like continue on this topic box? If not, I want to say something
I mean, did you go watch the video?
Not in the 0.2 seconds since you said that unfortunately
Okay, well you can change the topic. I just wanted to shout out quantum locking. But yeah to you
Bet bet i'm looking at it right now
But uh, so like I don't know how often you guys be reading shit that isn't uh, you know educational
but I read this series recently called scythe
Basically the whole premise is that technology became so advanced that people can't die
uh, and like for for fun people would like jump off buildings and get reassembled but
So basically there's like this super fucking intelligent AI called the thundercloud that everybody uses for literally everything under the sun
And it becomes like a skill to dive deep into the thundercloud and I honestly think that's where we're heading
I think there's going to be like an all-knowing AI that everybody like answers to regularly
It's so maybe like the way I think about it is I don't really believe in like one single god model that just runs everything in
This omni present. I believe that there's gonna be a ton of smaller models that people just use for specific tasks
That's what I think but it's it also depends on the time frame because like if you're thinking oh in the next 200 years
Yeah, maybe but if you're thinking like in the next 10 years
I think it's most of like specific models that are trained for
You guys will you guys just watch the quantum levitation video? I'm watching it right now, dude. This shit's badass
I feel like i've seen this before
Bro, like doesn't that make you like what the fuck? You can like pick it up too and move it around and it stays just locked up
Dude like this is what I mean is like how did human beings figure this shit out? We're not that smart didn't David Blaine do this 10 years ago
But David David jumps off of like 90 foot
Drops into cardboard boxes and survives because he's a fucking beast
The reason why I brought up quantum locking leap is you know in Virginia
This is what you should have been doing instead of burning stacks of chairs, bro
Quantum a lock i'm gonna have to look into it
I mean i've recently been looking into mind uploading. So I feel like quantum locking probably isn't that far
Bro, you're like it's so far off
So you're talking about like uploading consciousness, right
So like there's this thing like if you sleep with a floppy disk
Um all the time a floppy what?
like if you so you have the
I'm telling you like there's a thing where it's like religious technology technological religion
Whereas like if you sleep with a floppy disk all the time you can start to merge with it like have you heard
Like next to on its own pillow or under your head. Oh my god, or like
Okay, whoa, um, you just can't you just can't say sleep with a floppy dick
Not what I said, you got them on discount leap. Where can I find one asking for a friend?
No, but like it's a thing where you start to merge like the spirituality starts to merge and you yeah, you merge merge the fluffy dick
Are joking about tech like religious technology or technological religion, but there's a whole spirit. I read a 30 page paper the other night
Basically these people that like worship religion or worship technology and there are people that are in this sort of
I don't even know how to explain it. It's like a pseudo religion about ai and they both cult
I don't know if it's a cult. They do have a membership fee. So I I don't know if that's
I don't know if that's unrelated. Um, but no, I mean it's wild. I mean I again I we did a space the other day on
There's a lot like there's a lot of leaps should we be concerned like the
I don't know. Are we are is your space turning into like a 4chan space or what?
I just like dude. I just like to I heard I heard you interviewed alex jones the other day
That is not true. I I think I would I mean if he wants to come on a space but um
I gotta compliment you. I gotta compliment you because like most spaces like we're talking about this in a different space
Uh by the time it's like time for your space
Whatever you're about to talk about for the day if you're covering like what happened in crypto today
Has been talked about for the past 16 plus fucking hours
So the fact that you like started to branch out to ai, uh, you don't hear that in every other space
So it's kind of refreshing
I mean to be honest like ideally what I like is kind of what we we did tonight
Where it's and we actually focused mostly on nfts for the first probably three four hours of the space
And that was cool because that's that's rare these days. I know I know it was a good conversation as well
And I like being like you mix the real life stories with you know
The nft and maybe tap in the ai once in a while
But dude to be honest, I feel like i've been talking about the same thing
I don't do as much spaces now and the spaces are shorter, but for a whole year
Seven to nine hours a night, you know you we've talked about everything you could possibly talk about
So now i'm just scouring the internet for new shit
And I like that's what I mean leave is like if you need some weird shit to talk about
Um quantum locking is definitely of interest brain computer interfaces
BCIs we could talk about jawbone implants. What's that?
Like it's imagine a speech detect like speech to text interface
But you don't actually have to speak but the micro movements of your jaw
Convey speech in ways that you didn't even know
So you don't even have to speak the words
But just by moving your jaw like no noise has to come out of your mouth
By moving your jaw can pick up
The actual words you want to say like your how your lips move too like the fleshy parts like to make
It's actually only believe it or not. I believe it's only your jaw. Oh
That it needs to perform this data. I want it. Well, I want it. How much is look up
Look up a company called look up this company called science
Um, that's actually where an implant you put in the jaw
It's an implant, but there's a whole extent. So there's a whole extension leap
So we all talk about ai, but here's the here's the flip side of ai that I find very interesting
Um human augmentation technology
So if you just google augmentation like human augmentation tech brain computer interfaces
Implants it's basically like non-medical
technological machine human fusion
And like we're already there like it's gonna happen like honestly guys like I don't know about you
I would fucking put a chip in my brain in five seconds if I knew that the data was
Privately stored with cryptography and that only I could access the data to know how my health is going
To know my cholesterol levels to know my sleep patterns like put the chip in my fucking brain. I am ready anyway
You're like you're not worried about it getting potentially hacked
Not if I secure my private key well, no i'm not
But you know i'm gonna plug my ledger into my brain computer interface like I genuinely
Like by the way guys, i'm not kidding. I actually think that like this is gonna happen
Do you think you'll be able to trade crypto specifically through thinking?
You'll be able to do a lot of things. I wouldn't want to do that
What if you dreamt about it?
What if you dreamt about it and then all your dreams are gonna be interpreted by your brain computer interface
And it's going to help you become more creative during the day. I'm telling you this is happening
We talk about ai all the time, but like human augmentation
Dude is the next phase because if you leave your password
What happens when ai takes over all of our sub are all of our like
All the things that humans do that are mostly programmatic and logistical ai is going to take over
What ai won't be able to explain is all the things that we don't even know about ourselves yet
So would that i'm not even kidding i'm being dead serious
Like in addition to what our brain already does are you saying to like make our brain like unneeded?
So the whole purpose of human augmentation tech in general, I mean there's there's many different reasons why I think it's interesting
Like there's obviously the health function
But like if you could relive or or understand or analyze
While you're dreaming, right?
Like we we still to this day don't know why we make certain choices that we make we can theorize with psychology
But we don't actually understand what's happening in our brains that triggers certain emotions or reactions
There's brain chemical analysis
But if you go deeper, right
The more you can fucking analyze the data in your brain like if you think about ai
Analyzing all the like public facing decisions that have been made by humans. I think human augmentation is the next phase of like
Actually understanding why it's like the it's like postmodern ai is how I kind of look at it
Um, but yeah, it's like like like we want to go deep leap like leap goes deep
Human augmentation, maybe
You should have been here
You should have been here a little bit earlier blau leap was
Talking about going deep from the back for a couple for a couple like 30 minute intervals. So it was pretty great
Okay, first of all, that's just
I can't even mute you. You're the co-host. That was that's not what happened. I was talking you can't lie
You can't the whole space was here to see it
No, I was talking about riding the scooter and everyone just took it like it's weird. Anyway, um,
He said hitting it from the back i've never heard someone ride a scooter and use that terminology in the same sense
No, but let's let's let's take the conversation a little bit back, you know, I know I derailed it
I know I derailed it but bro. You don't want to talk about human augmentation
No, that's what i'm that's what i'm going back to instead of talking about leap hitting it from the back
But uh when you just said that it made me think about about the augmentation about like what if it could
curb all of the unhealthy compulsions we have like
overeating or drinking or if you're you know, start smoking any kind of addiction or
Like because usually when someone has an addiction an addictive personality, it could follow gambling like anything in their life
Insomnia, I mean like look addiction and like the whole point of it, right is that
We are our brains have been trained by 70,000 years of evolution
That in most of those years that we've that our like brain structure and neurons have evolved from
We're not during like a civilized time right like 90 of that time
We were in a pretty uncivilized environment like fending for ourselves amongst animals, right?
So our human our brains have sort of evolved from that and we're still operating with a pretty
Like our archetypal caveman mentality, even though we don't know it
Um, and so what I find the most interesting about all the human augmentation stuff
And if you just like if you just google human augmentation
You'll there's tons of fucking shit that will pop up and it's by no means new
It's like it's not new shit
By any means, but I think it becomes even more interesting in a world
Where ai replaces everyone because human augmentation sort of has the capacity to unlock all the things that we don't know about ourselves
Especially with bci which is brain computer interfaces
but when you say it's not new are they there are products in the market that people are using like today for it or
No, when I say it's not new. I mean, it's like like like neural. Neuralink, right?
Neuralink is a human is like a human augmentation technology company
By nature, so like when I say it's not new. I mean there are many companies
That are developing, you know non-medical tech. Yeah to improve human health, right?
Um, how many years out do you think it is like the first ones will be for market ready?
So my my buddy max, um, who's who founded science?
Um is developing a a cone like a cone visual replacement
Tool that I think he just implanted in mice a couple weeks ago basically to repair vision when like
um, even beyond like cataracts
Metal could I i'm gonna i'm gonna botch this explanation?
So I don't even want to try to explain it, but like if you've lost vision in an eye
Completely it can re it can it could basically create a synthetic
Light collection mechanism and it's a computer at the back of your brain
That attaches to the to your nervous system and like actually enables your brain to interpret sight
Even when you've lost your vision like shit like that
So could it potentially improve vision for like, uh, so like me personally
I have like a I have like a shawring gone in one eye
I got like 10 and then I got 200 in the other eye
So, uh, could that be something that could be fixed? Well, so like most medical procedures can solve some of these problems, right?
But like where where where a medical procedure couldn't right where like if you have an eyeball that's completely malfunctional
Disconnected from the nervous system and by the way
I might be sounding like a total idiot right now because I
Have no idea what i'm talking about
All I know is that he explained it to me for an hour over dinner and I was just like fucking fascinated and listening
But yeah, like synthetic code in the back of your eye that interprets light even when your eye is totally damaged
But that's like one example another example
Your brain rates just like a real eye
Yeah, yeah an artificial eye that your brain can actually interpret things exactly
That's exactly right, but it's like only only one part of the eye that matters the most I guess
Which is like the the cone that interprets
but but why why is all this interesting to me because
AI can only look back it can't look forward
Well, I mean it could predict forward based on the past
But they're all the things that we don't even know about ourselves yet
Is where human augmentation kind of comes in
Like I can't wait for like being on my iphone being in a space
Closing it and then hitting a sleep button
That'll be fucking sick and then I just pass out
No drugs just like literally wiring a signal to my brain and saying go to bed. Justin. You're up too late
And you get the perfect sleep
And then you wake up and that's what I want. Is that too much to ask for I mean like
Computer interfaces are dope
When you're saying like human augmentation and helping with like overeating or like, you know, whatever different health things
Um, I remember a couple weeks ago you opened a space and we're all talking about like free will
Do you think that would tap into like disrupting? What?
What we believe we have is free will by having like these chips kind of making decisions
Right now to curb their appetite they're spending like a thousand dollars a month to take diabetic shots so they don't
But some of the ties are actually like there's so much like uh
Weird shit about some of the tides like people are like oh this fucks up your body
And like it actually is they're just like certain
There's nothing that crazy about it. Um, other than the fact that it's it was a diabetic medication that
Happens to work on non-diabetics and curbs, you know, it's it effectively slows down your digestive system
Right. So it just like makes you full faster and then
It long it's how how long the food stays in your body. So you just don't crave as much
Food and whatever but all that like that's medical, right?
Still medical advancements are always going to be a part of the equation
The thing that i'm most excited about is literally
Imagine like triggering a certain
Concise electromagnetic pulse in your brain
That triggers like you're like a like instant sleep, right without you even
Without any health risk like shit like that that I think is fucking crazy
But to your point you were talking about free will earlier
The the context of the conversation about free will
Was was in a world where an AI could perfectly predict your next move by analyzing every single thing you've ever seen or done
Um at which point like do you have free will and my answer to that question the non-spiritual answer
A variable and randomness is unexplained by math
Well, it can be but but true randomness is unexplained by math
so so I tend to believe in free will I don't think that like
Like if if the government controlled every bci that was retrofitted to every newborn baby
Then yeah, like we're definitely living in the matrix, but I don't think yeah
I think a chip would kind of take from that because then it's like
Or it's perfectly mapped and it rids more of that randomization that we have as humans in china right now in elementary school
They they fit headsets on students to see if they're concentrating
Like and collecting that data. Yeah, like that's happening right now. Yeah, look it up. There's like videos on it. Yeah, that's crazy
There's some crazy shit going on guys. I love it like robo
Glasses put up on their forehead just children. They're just fucking children in school getting their brainwaves monitored
When you were just talking I was thinking about how we automate
So many things in our life like to make things easier subscriptions things like that
So what if the chip like you could automate parts of your daily routine where you didn't have to like be sluggish about it like
You just did it but but then I was thinking about kids and and like then i'm like
Well, maybe you'd have to be a certain age to get the chip
But then i'm thinking like I think parents would be like
I want to put this chip in my kid and make them do everything perfectly like that's that's kind of scary
You know like oh, it's so scary when it's misused, but I think that like
Like we talk about ai now if I like people are like what's next it's fucking human augmentation
1000% yeah, so this is the next frontier
So something uh that I always found interesting another book. I know for some reason people don't believe I read but sometimes I do
it's called unwind and uh
Uh, it's it's still like a dystopian type thing, but it's like in the future
like kids or parents will be able to decide if they want to like donate their
children's body up to the age of 18 like until they're 18 and
Super fucking like souped up arms or like they'll have like if they donate a hand of a magician
They'll have that muscle memory of being able to fucking like
Throw their cards around or like do some insane card tricks
And uh, I think that could be a possibility especially if you're like
If you're a parent and you can choose whether or not your child gets an a chip in their head like for a like
What's the word i'm looking for a neuralink type deal? That would be insane
But also there's also bioprinting where if you're born with an organ
That's like imperfect. You could literally 3d print a new one
That's fucking crazy. Dude. I'm dead. Like none of this shit is like completely ready yet, but it will be
The future is looking fucking bright. I'm not gonna lie to you
But uh, let's hit the hands uh leap uh the host of his own space got his hand up. Uh, what's popping leap?
Oh, sorry, I was just stretching go ahead
That's all right, go ahead blah
No, i'm sorry. I feel bad that I like totally changed the topic
But no, I mean like he's just stretching over there. So you might as well continue
I mean i'm literally drinking a four shot of espresso coffee right now. It's why leave we're smoking out tonight
You ditched me. I'm doing we're literally hanging out right now
Yeah, well, we're hanging out tomorrow night because we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna do something
In crenshaw, what do you mean by that?
Oh, well, we're just in the same city and I think we were supposed to
We're gonna we're gonna hang out maybe tomorrow. Um, i'll introduce you to my friend ludwig
I think so. I gotta figure out because are you what time are you leaving on sunday?
I guess we can just handle this in dm. We can leave whatever you want on sunday
I could even leave on monday. It's whenever you want. Very girl
What? Okay. All right. Um, look, I I don't want to tell a scooter story again
Uh, actually threat guy just walked into the house. He can hear oh
Tg tell tg. I say that I want to put a chip in his brain. What the fuck?
I don't know if you could hear way too sad but
No, but but on sunday dude, you can like literally it could be anytime you want you just let me know
Okay, I don't think that we can leave past like midnight. But other than that we're good. Where are you going?
I'm, sorry. Go ahead. I said, where are you going?
I'm trying to seal him back to vegas. Ooh, i'm going to vegas in october
I love that blau calling you baby girl brought you back to hitting it from the back on your scooter
Yeah, he it gave him some flashbacks of how tg was treating him
Okay, this is actually crazy
Was that I was riding it and I by the end of it I was like riding a heart and by the end
Of I was drenched in sweat and we were come on
Come on, like the story writes itself leave you were riding it. You were drenched in sweat afterwards. Your legs were sore
Was this one on fire arms are heavy
All right, let's go to the hands what did you get a new scooter or did you rent one?
Yeah, we ended up getting back to the house and then um
I was just like so tired and like just jumped in the shower and went to bed
But can we have a post hitting it from the back interview from thread guy? Okay. Look
Thread guy is laying down on the couch watching mac miller music videos right now. So that's that's his vibe
Um release of the goat. I just say you
I just sent you a video on text of a scooter
Let me see. Yeah, I feel like dread guy is such a simple dude. He likes his basketball. He likes his mac miller
You know, he keeps it. He keeps it. Do you know what I feel like swan?
I feel like blout didn't send him a scooter
What else can you describe it?
Describe this photo for us. It's just really fucking fast
Like under 30 seconds type beat
Like 60 miles an hour on the fucking scooter
What the fuck kind of scooter are you riding? I sound dangerous
It's so dangerous, but I sent a video to leave
leap I I keep thinking about what you were saying before and everyone was teasing you about your story, but
The sleeping with the disc was that legit that people do that. Do you do that?
I don't know if other people do it, but i've been experimenting so you sleep but like
Under your pillow right against your face. Like i'm not being silly. I that's
In like this is weird. I want to hear about it
Yeah, so basically the idea is you take a floppy disc and you put it in the bed next to you
And you just sleep with it and eventually your brain starts like the atoms between the two objects start to meld
And you can upload your consciousness into the end. That's not a thing
How do you eventually love you test it?
Like do you have a floppy disc reader like like let's say did you watch the scooter video? Wait, wait after like a year would you
Like so you you know put it in the floppy disk drive
Is it supposed to like be like are you supposed to get some?
It's blotsky. Is my space ragging or are we just tired?
Oh, he's just he hasn't even unmuted once. Wow
It is late I have to wake up in seven hours
Plotsky i'm gonna be real with you. He's he wasn't talking about a floppy disc. No, I think he is I
I think he is I think he I think he likes something else floppy. Uh
Take out the s take out the s. All right. All right, y'all. All right. All right
This is this is when I need to end the space because this is leap. Did you watch this video?
I'm i'm watching that i'm trying to i'm doing like 12 things at one time right now
Is that guy touching you and how are you supposed to bro, okay. All right, that's just
That was honestly a good mute leap
That was that was way out of pocket. Um, give me a second. Someone take over for like three seconds. I'm doing something. I got you, bro
All right, let's go to the hands. It was there. No word to even like read a floppy disk. There are no hands
There were no hands. Yeah, I'm really yeah, I had to do the leap word though. You know what i'm saying?
Yeah, you did great you did great
Blau, uh, I want to hear like what do you think about neural link?
I know you're talking about like chips getting implanted, but uh
I didn't hear like I don't know
I don't know enough about
Like quote unquote neural link to be honest. I I don't know that much about human augmentation stuff. I I know
The bare minimum, but I will probably ask chat gpt tomorrow
About it so I can learn even more about it because i'm fascinated
Word I like I didn't even know like there were competitors to neural link
Like I thought that was like the end all be all oh, yeah
So max hodak who's a buddy of mine started early with elon and then left to start his own thing called science
Yeah, that's crazy I didn't know that he was like a member of creating neural link
Yeah, yeah, if you just if you just google him you'll you'll learn a lot about science and
Um, well, well, I just think it's so badass that he calls his he made his company named science
You he's got fucking balls. He's also a genius
You know the ip for that had to have been a fucking bitch to get
All right, you know it depends on the domain but
You know, but yeah, yeah for sure lead for you back
Yeah, no, look i'm about to read grant card don'ts how to make generational wealth with real estate
Um, there's an ad on twitter as I want to give you my free book how to create wealth investing in real estate
And investing in income producing real estate. You will create generational wealth
You will also have passive income and major riz. That's the tagline for the book. I'm interested
I'm gonna read it. Um, but look outside of that look dude. I need to go to it is 130 is time to go to sleep
It is it's absolutely time to go to sleep. So that being said I fucking love y'all so much. Thank you so much
What a great space. Honestly, I know this last hour has been all over the place
But really great space all around back tomorrow night. We're gonna run it back. Thank you all so much for supporting the space
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Y'all are the fucking goats and uh, thank you so much for carrying me tonight
I'll see y'all tomorrow night 7 p.m. Pacific probably 30 minutes late as usual and we'll run it back. See you soon