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ICP HUB Canada & US: Pitch your project
Recorded: July 23, 2025 Duration: 1:33:01Space Recording
Short Summary
The ICP Hub Canada and US Twitter space highlighted the launch of the World Computer Hacker League, offering over $300,000 in grants to developers. The event emphasized the importance of collaboration, innovative project pitches, and the growing trend of decentralized identities in the job market.
Full Transcription
Music Thank you. Music Thank you. Music Thank you. Hello, hello. Welcome everyone to our ICP Hub Canada and US Twitter space today.
It's so nice to have you guys all join. Today's main topic is Pitch Your Project.
And I'm really excited to introduce David Cash. He'll be your host for today.
Yeah, take it away, David.
GMGM, very excited for today's faces.
Thank you so much, Kat, for getting all this up and running.
We did not get rugged this time.
Amen.
We're going to keep that rolling.
It's going to be good energy today.
I'm very excited.
So, yes, we are coming towards the end of the application period, but not the end of the
hackathon itself. The World Computer Hacker League is about to kick off. We're about to kick off
four months of building globally. We have thousands and thousands of some of the world's best developers,
best builders, best marketers, best project managers all coming together to build
dApps, apps, and
innovate and create infrastructure for our community, thanks to the lovely folks at ICP.
And we have a bunch of awesome people here today co-hosting here with the ICP Hubs Canada
and US account.
If you are not following this account yet, do make sure you're following it.
We also have the awesome people at ICP Hubs Global who've joined us.
Thank you so much for taking the time out of your day.
And of course, we have our fearless leader here, Mr. Javier, who has joined us.
And I'm going to pass the mic over to you in just a moment.
But just doing some of the due diligence, just doing some housekeeping before we properly kick off
and also introduce some of the other awesome people who've joined us,
who are going to be speaking here today.
I see Sam from VIP Quantum.
Let's get you up here.
And a couple other amazing builders and leaders. I see Alex in here. Shout out Alex.
Shout out the Bankless team as well, who are hanging out with us here as well today.
And Tune FM, big fun, Quantum Leap Labs. See a lot of friends in the audience today right off the bat.
Appreciate you all being here and joining us. But yes, just a little bit of housekeeping before we
properly kick off today's conversation. We are here and we are going to be pinning a tweet momentarily. Kat,
maybe you can do that for us. We're going to be pinning a tweet momentarily, which is going to
have a link which you can click and learn all about the World Computer Hacker League, how you
can submit, how you can be a part of it, all that jazz. And today we are going to be joined by a
number of builders who are already building within the ICP ecosystem.
But we also very much encourage anybody who is joining us, anybody in the audience who is either already submitted to who already has submitted their project to the World Computer Hacker League or who is considering submitting a project to the World Computer Hacker League.
We would really love to see and hear what it is that you're building,
what it is that you're thinking about.
You can pitch directly to us.
And by us, I mostly mean to Javi,
because Javi will give you feedback if you would like some.
And that would be really, really awesome.
We'd love to be able to, you know,
hear what you guys are thinking about building,
give some feedback, and yeah, you know,
spark this off in a really exciting way.
Because, you know Because one of the
benefits of getting into the ICP Hubs network is not only the amazing grant ecosystem, it's not
only the amazing suite of prizes. There's over $300,000 in prizes that are available to us,
to the builders throughout this process, throughout these four months. But you also get access to
amazing mentors and accelerators like Javi, who also runs
Quantum Leap Labs, which is one of the leading accelerators within the ICP ecosystem. So yeah,
this is really a family that you're getting into. And you'll hear from some of the speakers here
today. I don't need to say it for them. But you'll hear how much support and how much
kind of nurturing is available to builders directly within this ecosystem. So last piece
of housekeeping. If anybody here would like to ask a question or would like to come up and pitch their project,
please do raise your hand. We'll bring you on up here and we will pass things over to you. Oh,
I see the Bitmask folks already are in here as well. Shout out Gideon. Hopefully we're going to
be able to get you up here to chat as well. But yes, if you happen to be mic shy or you want to
just speak asynchronously or you are kind of also in a meeting at the same time or talking to somebody at the same time, you can also click that little speech bubble at the bottom right hand corner and leave a comment directly on the spaces.
We will be checking those periodically.
And yeah, we can we can answer your questions also directly via there.
So without further ado, let's get this thing started. We got our little
intro music out of the way, and we've gotten the intros out of the way. So now I think it's the
perfect time to pass the mic over to Javi. And yeah, Javi, would you share just a little bit
about, you know, how are you feeling right now? We're coming towards the end. Are you excited?
Are you seeing some really cool projects coming in? Give people the lay of the land of, yeah, what they can expect as we kind of kick off
this ecosystem.
And also just shouting out that now we do have that link pinned.
So as Javi is giving you a little bit more information, if you want to kind of DYOR and
learn for yourself, you can click the pinned tweet and you can click through that link
and go through the process yourself.
And you can actually submit right now.
We still have a few more days left where you can submit.
And it's not a crazy difficult process.
So I really recommend that you do it and gain access to, yeah, all these prizes,
all these grants and this amazing ecosystem.
So with all that being said, Javi, we'd love to pass it over to you.
Big GM, how are you doing today?
I'm good. I'm good. Hi, everyone.
Thanks, David and Kat, for joining today and organizing this amazing space about the World Computer Hacker League and the projects that we have.
You asked, yeah, I'm super, super excited, excited and exhausted because it was like more than three months, probably, working on this World Computer Hacker League initiative.
probably working on this World Computer Hacker League initiative.
And then the submissions and the registrations,
the deadline is in three days.
And I'm looking forward to see what projects we have here in our region,
in North America, in United States and Canada.
And yeah, that's super, super excited about this World Computer Hacker League.
I just want to mention before that, you know, how I started this idea of the World Computer Hacker League. I just want to mention before that, you know,
how, like, started this idea of the World Computer Hacker League.
For the ICP OGs, we organized a long time ago the Supernova Hackathon.
I think it was 2022, beginning 2022,
and it was probably, you know, the biggest hackathon of ICP in history.
And then after that, we, of course, through the ICP Hub Network and across the globe,
we organized a lot of different hackathons, more like in a local site with universities,
with partners, dev houses.
And it was like more like a weekend hackathon, three days with different workshops and ideathons and these kind of things.
But yeah, a few months ago, we also were discussing like, OK, now it's time to organize again something big,
similar to the Supernova hackathon that we did previously and onboard everyone right across the globe with all of our ICP Hub network and the different ICP
Hubs in different regions, in Africa, in Asia, in South America, North America, in Europe,
and joint forces, right? And that's like now, you know, the dream comes to reality. And that's
really, really, really excited about this. And then a little bit about the registrations now.
In terms of numbers here in the North America region, we have more or less, I think, 200
depths, right, compared probably with other regions in Asia is a small number. But the quality of the
projects and the quality of the depths that we have here is pretty unique. In total, I think we have 33 or 34 projects so far.
I know people are working so hard to submit during the next three days, and we will increase these numbers.
But I'm so bullish, to be honest, with the talent, the projects, and all the devs that are working hard for this World Computer Hacker League globally, but specifically in this North America region.
And then this initiative is not, of course, money matters, right?
And everyone wants to win a hackathon.
But it's not only this.
It's similar to a Venture Studio or an Accelerator program,
because it's not a weekend hackathon. We are talking about
four months hackathon with different rounds and also different support. Just to mention a few
things, for example, we have a huge Discord channel. I suggest everyone to join. I think we
put the link. If not, please, David and Kat put the link as well in the Twitter space.
But we have a huge Discord channel.
It's the main communicator site to talk with us
and to ask any kind of questions about cycles, about your ideas,
even if you want to team up and have other people in your team.
It's the best way to connect to be honest with in discord and we have a specifically um a sub channel for canada
and another one for united states feel free to jump in feel free to to um introduce yourself
and then also uh tell us more about the cool idea that you're building right this this is really
really nice.
Of course, we are running as well workshops every week. We have two, three workshops with different partners, of course, engineers from the Finiti Foundation, but also investors,
marketers, people from the business side, enterprises. And it's a good way to learn
as well and connect with experts in know, experts in the industry.
We have, of course, this global network, a lot of developers, a lot of marketers, a lot of content creators, you know, connecting together in this global network. A lot of long-term opportunities, of course, not only grants that we offer the developer grant programs.
We also have our venture studio here in North America, Quantum Leap Labs.
It's the first venture studio focusing in the ICP ecosystem.
And as well, we have the showcase, right?
In these different rounds, you will have the opportunity and the chance to pitch your project in front of thousands of people, to be honest.
A lot of investors, a lot of people
interested in the ICP ecosystem, and you will have this opportunity to showcase what you're building.
This is one thing. I also want to mention about the rounds, like how is divided the hackathon.
We have in total four different rounds. The qualification round that finishes in three days.
This qualification round, as the name said, is basically, you know, we want to see your idea.
We want to see a demo, your pitch, right?
These kind of things.
You don't need to like being crazy, like building a lot.
I mean, if you can
do it perfect but uh you know time is is precious is valuable and of course it's very difficult from
the beginning build some an mvp but we are not expecting this for this qualification round
then the deadline is again in three days the 25th of j July or 26th here in Canada and United States, 50% of the total teams across the globe, right, for the total submissions, they will go to the next round that is a national round.
The prices for this qualification round in total is $30,000.
And then the national round is during August.
And then the national round is during August.
We expect for the national round more refine your dApps,
start to deployments and start to build your ideas and your products on ICP.
And then during this phase that is in August, the price is $50,000.
And 30% of the teams, they go to the next round that is a regional round.
Here in the regional round, you are competing amongst five different continents.
Of course, North America, South America, Europe, Africa and Asia.
It will be during September, September 1st to September 24th.
And then the price is $70,000 during this round.
Of course, here we are we want to bullish projects, an MVP, and see also what is your strategies for go-to-market, the strategies as well for the tokenomics, or what is your approach, what kind of technologies and what kind of features you are building on ICP, this kind of thing, right? Of course, in the regional round, we expected like more quality projects.
And I'm 100% sure that a lot of them
will be from North America.
And then the global finale is the most important thing.
The global finale will be during October,
1st October to 25th October.
Of course, the grand finale is a showcase.
The winners take all.
We have here a price of $150,000 that is very,
very big. It's huge. And of course, the partners, the people that will be judging is like top
notch in the industry. And of course, the people that will be through the Global Finale, they will
have a lot of opportunities to raise funds, to meet VCs,
investors, to onboard users to their platforms. And I think in general, it's a really good
opportunity. And again, don't feel bad if now your product is just an idea because you have
four months to build. And again, the biggest prices are at the end. It's similar to a poker
tournament. The biggest prices are in the final table. This is exactly exactly the same.
And then also about the thematic tracks. We have different tracks for for this World Computer Hacker League.
AI, of course, is really important for us, not only with caffeine, the new product that we are launched,
not only with caffeine, the new product that we are launched, the Finiti Foundation.
You can build a decentralized AI on ICP, like on-chain AI models, agents, and other things.
That is really cool.
Of course, Bitcoin, DeFi.
DeFi is really important for us and the cross-chain that we have with Bitcoin and Ethereum.
You can as well build decentralized finance apps, DeFi, cross-chain.
I think it's also like, you know, one of the most important tracks that we have.
Fully on-chain, if you are thinking in building something like a social platform or a DAO
or something related to build everything on-chain on ICP, this is your track.
related to build everything on chain on ICP. This is your track. Real Wall Asset, as you know,
we have very cool projects on the ICP related with real estate, related with gold and other
commodities and products. Real Wall Asset as well is a big track. And then OpenTrack. If you are
building something crazy that is not in this kind of tracks, OpenTrack is yours.
And then, of course, judges and mentors.
We have a lot of different judges and mentors across the globe.
Partners from Cointelegraph, CBLabs, Bain Crypto, 50x Capital, CreateHerFest, Bit2Me, Binance, OKEx.
Yeah, I can mention a lot, but yeah, I think that's more or less it.
Again, if you have questions, the best way is to connect with us, DM us on Twitter and join the Discord channel.
You have time. It's three days. But to be honest, the best way is like register as a hacker in DoraHacks.
It's like register as a hacker in DoraHacks.
Submit something, submit your ideas,
submit the product that you have in mind,
a video, a demo, a pitch.
Of course, we need to see like GitHub as well.
This is important.
And of course, and this is a criteria
that you need to meet,
it's important to have two members in each team.
Okay, if you are a solopreneur, if you are a solo developer, make important to have two members in each team. If you are a
solopreneur, if you are a solo developer, make sure you are joining with someone else. If you
don't know anyone, you can also join Discord. And in the Dota Hacks, there is a section,
join a team. You can as well join a team or ask for help. But this is really, really important.
for help, but this is really, really important.
And yeah, that's it from my side, guys.
Thanks anyways, as always, for supporting us,
all the communities, all the partners that we have,
a lot of universities, dev houses, PR companies.
And yeah, we are super excited to see what's going on
and what is the next steps and what you're building.
Over to you again, David. Thanks so much.
Let's go. Tons of Alpha here. Thank you so much, Javi, for being here.
And we'll be passing it back to Javi, I'm sure, several times throughout the spaces.
And as people have questions, Javi is here to answer them, which is super nice of him.
I know how busy he is running all things ICP across Canada and the US
and Quantum Leap Labs. This is a very busy man, ladies and gentlemen. But he keeps it rolling.
Just to double tap on one thing that he said, because I do think it is important,
especially for some folks that I see here in the room. Alex, shout out all of our marketers and
you know, builders in the space beyond our devs. Yes, if you go on
builders in the space beyond our devs.
Yes, if you go on...
I was getting a call. Hopefully I didn't get
rugged. If you go on
over to the team section within the Dora Hacks page,
which, just to go through, if you
click any of the links, so if you scroll once...
Actually, Kat, maybe we just pinned the link one more time.
If you click the link for the
World Computer Hacker League and you go through to the Dora Hacks
page and you click on the team tab,
you'll see people who are looking for team members,
and you can also post that you are looking for team members.
So you'll see there's posts for people looking for marketers,
for people looking for project managers,
for people looking for a range of different talents,
UI, UX designers.
So yes, of course, we do want to bring the developers together.
If you are a developer, we want to see what you can build.
But we also want to encourage the other builders in the space to join a team and to come up
with some really cool concepts and to participate in the World Computer Hacker League.
So just wanted to reiterate that and double tap on that.
And we have a lot of awesome people here with us today.
I see Trade Ninja also just asked to join up on stage.
We will pass it to you in a few minutes if you have some time to hang out. Also, just want to encourage anybody else
who is listening that either has a question or wants to pitch your ICP project to please raise
your hand and come up on stage or just click that little comment section, comment bubble on the
bottom right-hand corner and let us know what you're thinking. And we'll either get you up here
or we'll answer your question or share what it is that you're thinking about.
So without further ado, before we get too, too deep into the spaces and start going into questions and all of that,
I would love to pass the mic over to Mr. Sam Driessi, who is a top, top builder in the ICP ecosystem.
Sam is the man behind BIP Quantum.
He is building. He is a multi-time founder. He's
exited, he's entered, and he is currently building BIP Quantum with a ton of support from ICP Hub
Canada, from Quantum Leap Labs. And, you know, if we're talking about people pitching their ICP
project, I feel like, Sam, you're the perfect person to pass things over to first. I would love
to give people a little exemplar of what they should
maybe be thinking if they want to come up here and pitch their ICP project. But also no pressure
at the same time, folks. If you are very early in the idea stage, as Javi mentioned, if you're in
the idea stage of your project, do not let that sway you at all. We would love to have you up here
and hear your pitch as well. So without further ado, Sam would love to pass it over to you. And
maybe you can share a little bit more about B VIP Quantum and your experience with the ICP ecosystem. Sam.
Sure. Hey, thank you so much, David. Hello, everyone. I hope you're doing well. Hello,
Javier. I see a couple of familiar faces. A real pleasure to be here. So we have many things to
share. So first of all, this is a great opportunity for any innovator.
Like David said and Javier said, it's open for everyone. And this is the beauty with ICP.
To give you a little background here, I'm involved with deep tech projects since 12 years now.
And I discovered something. There is no limitation. The only unique limitation, we put it by ourselves.
So if you have an idea and you find another project doing exactly the same thing, listen,
doesn't matter because the fact to have a similar idea don't have any value.
The way how you execute your idea is the big differentiator.
So that's the focus we have since 10 years now.
And the evolution is focusing big differentiator. So that's the focus we have since 10 years now. And the evolution
is focusing on intellectual property. I know people find that annoying, but IP guys brought
$6.3 trillion revenue in US only in 2022. So our ambition is to make it accessible to everyone,
not only to ill it. You don't need to spend $50,000 or $100,000 to bring credibility and
profit from your idea. So the project named BIP Quentum is proudly developed in ICP for all this value to decentralization
for the front end and the back end of infrastructure, a real decentralized application, the real
DAP.
We deploy an LLM model trained in US copyright.
It's able to compete with intellectual property lawyers, right? So with all my respect
to lawyers, I work with them, but I feel it's excessive to spend an average $570 an hour
to get the consultation. And listen, what the AI is able to do that today, advise you, give you
information about what is your idea value, how you can protect it, how you can do what we named
art verification to generate the pre-patenting. So when you have an idea, guys, before protect it, how you can do what we named art verification to generate the pre-parenting.
So when you have an idea, guys, before pitching it, my advice is to go through, for example,
a VIP quantum or equivalent projects to generate a proof of ownership.
For example, to take an example here, I have Alex.
Alex can prove like she is the owner of this algorithm or this content or this UX, UI or this concept this day, this hour, this minute, this second
before going to pitch the project.
And that's bring credibility to you guys.
The second thing is to help you to not only protect your idea, but sell it, sell your
IP as is as selling an e-commerce article.
And that's what we accomplish with BIP Quantum.
You can go today at www.bipquantum.com
is already hosted in Canister.
It's 100% free.
Play with it, please.
Give us feedback.
You're going to receive
1,000 BQC token,
which is a pure utility token
to give you the ability
to buy IPs.
So you buy IP with a license
able to reproduce it
virtually or physically.
Exactly like buying an Amazon article, except you can profit from it.
So I invite any creator like scientists, developer, programmers, artists to join us because we are building the future of IP.
So enough talking about the IP Quantum.
The mission today is, guys, to give you the hard desire to shine through ICP.
So this accelerator, this hackathon is an opportunity to give life to idea, to connect with other developers.
You are not alone.
And this is the value behind Quantum Leap Lab.
I'm proudly part of Quantum Leap Lab and a big, big respect for Javier and for all the hard work he's doing.
Quantum Leap Lab, guys, is an accelerator supporting any innovator, any startup looking for a result, ready to fight, ready to build.
And from Quantum Leap Lab, I go to ICP.
So this. from quantum leap lab i go to icp so this
oh i think we got uh i think you got muted for a second, Sam. Let's get you back. Yeah, I got muted. Sorry about that.
So, do you have any time, guys?
I'm done, David.
I was, I'm sorry if I talk too much.
I'm super excited about what happened now.
No, no, no.
We were not trying to cut you off.
I think there was.
That wasn't me.
I didn't mute you.
I promise I didn't mute you.
I was like, what happened?
I was like, why did he stop talking?
So, please continue.
Please continue.
So, yeah. Yes, yes. I was i was saying like i invite anyone with any idea any stage of the idea please dm me if you have questions uh i have no bullshit i can't tell the truth this is what happened there is no
pink or or or black there is a clear work process hard work bring. And you are in the right place here with ICP and with Quantum Leap Lab.
I'm done, guys.
No, I mean, that was absolutely perfect.
Sam, thank you so much for joining us.
And I think as everybody can probably just tell
just from listening to him,
Sam is a absolutely accomplished builder
and so, so articulate, so, so well-spoken.
And hopefully this gives you a
little bit of an idea of what's possible to build within this ecosystem, whether you want to do
something, you know, whether you want to vibe code or whether you want to build an institutional
solution. I think last time we had one of these, we also had somebody with an accounting software
application that they built directly on ICP. Anything and everything is possible. Sam's
developing infrastructure within
the IP space. And he's, you know, bringing a lot of really core Web3 ethos elements, like, you know,
NFTing, for lack of a better word, NFTing IP, which I think is super, super cool. So yeah,
anything is really possible to build within this ecosystem. And as Javi's mentioned, as the ICP
folks mention all the time, this is really a multi-chain ecosystem.
We really want to bridge and bring together all different aspects of Web3, but even broader development.
So if you're somebody who's looking to build agentic solutions, if you're somebody who's looking to build, you know, the next consumer app, you can do that and you can do that on ICP.
So before we pass things over to our next speaker, I see, I believe it's Sheldon. I think,
I think Sheldon popped up here. So anytime he has five minutes, I'd love to pass things over to him
momentarily. But before we move on to our next speaker and then Trade Ninja, I do see you there
as well. I do see that we had a question and Javi, I think I'll pass this over to you because
you would know better than me. But I see that somebody is asking, Mr. Marlon Hank, is asking if we can use Caffeine AI within our World Hacker League applications.
I don't know if I know the answer to that.
So, Javi, maybe you can answer that question.
Can folks use Caffeine AI, which if they don't know, maybe you want to share what that is, in their World Hacker League applications?
Well, yeah, this is a good question.
Basically, yeah, Caffeine AI, it was launched last week,
and we organized in San Francisco a hackathon
with 80 developers in total.
I mean, 40 non-tech and 40 tech guys.
And then we will release all the codes in the next weeks
for all the wait lists that we have.
Technically, if you have this, you know,
you can use any tool that you have, you know,
in front of yours, right?
It's not any kind of limitations.
The only requirement for this hackathon
is basically has a GitHub, has a team, at least two members in the team, and then the DFX JSON, right?
This is the three criterias that we have.
The tools that you want to use for build your platform, if you want to use AI or you want to use any, you know, caffeine or other kind of AI tool, it's up to you.
Of course, you can use it, right?
But this is basically the criteria.
GitHub, two members in the team, and the effects Jason.
That's the only criteria to be eligible for participating in the hackathon.
Fabulous.
So, in short, yes.
That is excellent.
Thank you for the context as well, Javi.
Yeah, I mean, also, just to double tap as well. This is exactly what we're here for. So if anybody else has questions, if anybody else wants to know any specifics about what or how or when or with who you can build, do feel free to raise your hand and come on up here or just leave a comment down in that little comment section on the bottom right-hand corner. I see eight people have now commented. So people are listening. We got this. And since people are listening,
and since it seems like we got a lot of builders in the room, I just wanted to reiterate one more time, and I'll probably say this a lot, just heads up. You can go right now if you would like,
and you can click through any of these links that we have pinned at the top of the page,
and you can learn a little bit more about how you can submit right now. For anybody who's a builder or anybody who's already building
something, especially if it's in its early stages, you can probably just go through and submit in
real time. And if anybody submits live on this call, I think a lot of us will follow you. And
I think we'd love to have you up here and hear what it is that you instigated live in real time,
because this is really how we build, folks. This is how we build.
With all that being said, once again,
I would love to pass things over to the Omniti account.
Sheldon, I see you up here.
Omniti and ICP, I think, share a lot of the same ethos.
I know that there's a lot of tie-ins.
There's a lot of integration.
And I'll let Sheldon tell you a little bit more about that.
So Sheldon, give people another masterclass
in terms of how they can pitch their ICP project over to you
and would love to tell the folks a little bit more about Omniti and how you guys use ICP within your backend.
Sheldon, over to you.
Hey, David.
Thanks so much for the clean setup and the warm welcome.
Really appreciate it and happy to join you all as usual.
I'm Sheldon Deer from Omniti Network, and I'm a crypto veteran of more than 10 years, cybersecurity of about 15.
And at Omniti, we've been focused on Bitcoin interoperability and Bitcoin L1 functionality for about a year and a half.
We've been operating a runes indexer for more than a year that's got less than 0.04% downtime.
So that's like less than six hours over an entire year where that service wasn't working.
And that's a completely on-chain service like the rest of our products are all completely built on ICP.
None of that little Node.js sneaky stuff in the background.
Everything is decentralized Bitcoin full nodes thanks to the Bitcoin subnet on ICP.
So in a nutshell, we have the consumer-facing applications like the RichSwap Dex, the Hub, and soon-to-be Richorty,
which is a consumer platform for fractionalizing ordinals that automatically turns them into runes and sets up liquidity pools for you on the first open source runes
decks.
And on the other side, we've got our developer tooling, which is designed for indexing runes
data, indexing ordinals data, and overall just making it easier for you to do cross
canister calls in ICP, making it more functional to use Bitcoin if you're already looking at
ICP as an interface.
And I can confirm after the caffeine event last week that you can use caffeine, the on-chain AI from ICP,
to ask Omnid's canisters for Bitcoin data.
And I actually was just testing things out for fun.
And it made a really quick, nice little dashboard for me about stats happening live on ICP
relative to the throughput for Bitcoin nodes
and data available in the mempool. So just tinkering around a little bit, real quick,
Caffeine gave me this data showing that the numbers I've been pushing around for the past
year or so are completely accurate. There is a fastest time of about 50 milliseconds of visibility
from the Bitcoin mempool to the ICP blockchain and a max time of about 450 milliseconds if there's already like a full block sort of in
progress because somebody else is you know doing a lot in the Bitcoin subnet so we're real happy to
be hanging out with you guys and I should also mention that I personally have some experience
in solution engineering advisory and coaching for coaching for folks who are starting to do
something difficult. The majority of great business ideas usually don't turn into a business.
And I do have a lot of pride about our open source software work at Omniti. So really happy to be up
here with y'all and try to help some folks get started because, yeah, it is not easy. If you're
doing something worth doing, it should not be easy. So thanks again for having us. We're happy to support the space. I love it. I love it. And here is another exemplar, folks.
You know, if you are a builder within the Bitcoin ecosystem, you can join folks like Omnity and
Sheldon. You can join folks like Odin.fun, and you can use ICP to fuel your backend to allow for
actual on-chain validation and, you know, to really innovate and
push things forward in terms of what's possible on Bitcoin. Because if anybody has spent a lot
of time on Bitcoin, as I have, you are used to your 20 minute to one hour plus long block time
kind of waiting periods. And, you know, if we can do without those and if we can allow for finality
within, what did you say, Sheldon, 0.04 seconds? Ridiculous.
Or something along those lines I could be misquoting.
But, you know, that is that is really, really something.
And that allows for that allows for, you know, all of this infrastructure, all of this DeFi that we all know and love directly on the mother chain.
So ICP is one of the, you know, let's say logs fueling that fire and probably one of the biggest ones.
So really, really exciting and really, really inspiring.
And hopefully some folks in the audience here or listening after the fact are bullish on
Bitcoin and, you know, want to be building within that ecosystem.
And maybe now they know that that is possible within this ecosystem.
And also, I should also shout out that Bitcoin development is one of the tracks, if I'm not
mistaken, Javi, within this World
Computer Hacker League as well. So if you are somebody who's building on Bitcoin, if you are
somebody who's building within any ecosystem, really, Ethereum, Solana, what have you, and you
want to, you know, increase multi-chain functionality, if you want to allow for, you know, transactions to
be validated directly on ICP and allow for things to go a little bit faster, better, stronger,
that is something that you can do. So very, very exciting. Really appreciate you taking the time,
as always, Sheldon. You're one of my favorites. And yes, yes, this is how we build, folks. I'm
going to keep saying it, but this is how we build. We're here for the builders. I did see that,
where is he? I think he may have popped off now. I did see there was another lovely gentleman who
was up on stage momentarily who wanted to, I think, pitch his project.
But I guess I'll use this as a moment to encourage anybody who is listening right now.
You know, no idea is too big or small.
I think back in, I don't even know what it was, 2020, 2021, I used to host a clubhouse room just to date myself, where every week we encourage people to come up and pitch their NFT project ideas.
And obviously the space has developed so far since then.
We are now, you know, building 360 applications.
We have DeFi, you know, really implemented.
We have consumer applications.
We have institutional applications.
So anything really goes these days.
And so I really would encourage anybody who is interested,
anybody who is thinking about an idea to come up on stage and share that with us and build.
And I actually see Kat on the ICP account raising their hand.
So Kat, actually, yes,
I would love for you to pitch the project that you're building.
Cause why not? You know,
I think that you are another fabulous builder and this should hopefully
inspire some folks maybe to do exactly that. So Kat, let's,
let's go over to you.
Yeah. I don't know if I'm allowed to be doing this,
but like I'm building something that. So Kat, let's go over to you. Yeah. I don't know if I'm allowed to be doing this, but like I'm building something anyways. So, and I wanted to ADHD ramble about it. So
I just started this like a couple of days ago, but it's been really fun.
But basically I'm building a Tinder on chain, calling it perfect match. The deck is super cute.
calling it perfect match the deck is super cute um i feel like loneliness is increasing and real
connection is rare um also like feeds are dying um people are craving these like emotionally
intelligent spaces and like a couple statistics like 80 of gen z social activity happens in private
spaces now like dms close friends group chats um and I think like, what was it? I don't
know. There's a couple other stats. I can't remember them at the moment. But basically,
I feel like social platforms are kind of in or entering an engagement recession. And Gen Z wants
intimacy, play, expression, not performance. So I thought, okay, like what should I build? And so I was like, I'm going to build a
ZK powered 2D game where you can connect, reveal and earn all on your own terms. So yeah, and using
like kind of like the dating app structure to build this because it's just kind of like fun and
my brain can like wrap around the features a lot easier this way.
And so here are a couple of features that I've been kind of like diving into,
but also like, mind you, I just learned how to vibe code last week
and I just learned how to use GitHub three days ago.
So one of the features is a ZK powered privacy layer.
But wait, double tapping on that,
because that should encourage anybody who is listening right now to just do it.
There's nothing stopping you. Sorry, Kat, continue i can't continue yeah honestly it's been so fun but
honestly so annoying sometimes because like i'll like vibe code something and then it's like
wow this is i'm done and then it's like oh no you had to like go into github and like okay like
funny story so like i'm obviously i have a technical co-founder on this who's like literally
like honestly he's probably doing like everything because i was like, okay, I made this code and he's like, okay,
you ever put it in GitHub?
And I was like, okay, so I made an account and he's like, yeah, just like paste it into
GitHub.
And then like the next day we hop in a call.
He's so nice.
He's so sweet, like so kind.
But he's like, yeah, like you posted the code in like the repository description.
And I like, I had no idea what that meant but apparently like
that was not how you do it um but anywho features so the Ziki powered privacy layer um that was
really cool and I there's like a play match and you can like build trust without exposing your
identity unless you choose to so like how and when you get to choose um so like I'm working on the
design for a couple of these like features that have like surprise
reveals like secret matchmaking and like safe identity check so so I made a couple videos on
it on TikTok as well too because it's just easier that way um and then oh AI guided social layer
so um this part uh I thought could be cool for like dynamic matchmaking uh like social minigame prompts and like deeper connections as well too because you can see your compatibility, which is done through AI.
And then seamless crypto enable rewards.
So obviously when you match with someone, you want to talk to them.
So it also can like incentivize authenticity because like you're like, okay, like how do I know if this person is serious?
I'm going to reveal like maybe like a vulnerable or like a secret or something that like doesn't need to
be too deep like you know we're all having fun here um but like you could also get paid you know
for like you know you can kind of see but anywho that could be like a fun feature but at the same
time like you know your friends and family could use this app to like connect and you can just be
yourself and like earn from it so like maybe like you're sharing just like genuine information and that's being validated through payments.
Anyhow. Oh, and the last feature that I was thinking is like this like modular social engine.
So like it enables the one-on-one gameplay, which is the like Tinder on chain, but then,
you know, connections can happen for anyone outside of just like intimate relationships.
It can be family and friends as well, too.
So I added like a multiplayer like group gameplay.
So, yeah, that is basically all the features.
But at the same time, like literally just learned how to vibe code yesterday.
And I've kind of sent this dream list off to the technical co-founder and we're working on it.
So that's kind of, I guess, the bulk of this project.
But the main sort of like, if I were to like, you know, verbally describe the product demo,
like, you know, you onboard and that's going to be easy and fun.
And then you start playing and then you can start revealing
and unlocking things and then you start connecting. So that would be how it kind of like works.
Oh, and then like also like the market and like how we're different from let's say like a Tinder,
which is like the market leader or like a Bumble, which I don't know, like Tinder has apparently
75 million monthly active users and Bumble apparently has 58 monthly active users. And they've been making like 1.9 billion
in revenue, which is crazy. But yeah, so we're going to do things that are like different. So
I feel like there's like an interesting market there as well too. And anyway, I'm just like
ADHD rambling, like people could just like cut me off oh actually
yeah some interesting facts actually about the market so the dating apps market apparently in
2024 was 12.3 billion and it's expected to reach 18 billion by i think 2028 also i love gaming and
so the social gaming market is growing i think 12, 12% year over year. Gen Z also, because I like to like, I don't know, I'll play a lot of like Roblox and like
just like random like games for like kids as I like do my research and like on stuff
for games.
And like Gen Z and Gen Alpha are like a really interesting demographic.
And they're very intelligent as well, too.
So it's interesting how these like cultural shifts are like changing and
how we're having like a new safe social layer that's forming and I think it's looking um more
like a game than an app so that's what I'm building so yeah so this first thing like obviously I'm
kind of on an ADHD rampage right now but like the first thing that I've like vibe coded is this like
app which is perfect match but then I want it to be, like, multiple worlds within one world.
And then maybe the next one is, like, a fashion one, which I've started Vibecoding.
But, like, the tech obviously is not there yet.
And then, like, maybe my cemetery.
But anywho, I am done.
You're heard it here first, folks.
And actually, I see Javi and Sheldon also, like, double tapping on this.
I think we should go into the flip the script and go into the feedback.
No, because I think this is a good thing.
This is a good thing.
We're here to pitch NFT projects.
We're sorry.
We're here to pitch ICP projects.
See, I'm back to homeostasis.
We're here to pitch ICP projects and we want to get feedback. So Javi, I saw you unmuting.
Sheldon, I see you raising your hand.
I'd love to hear from both of you.
Give us the feedback.
Give us the feedback.
Let's go.
No, no.
I love this.
To be honest.
That's really cool that Kat is building this kind of evolution of Tinder, right?
And in a short period of time, and this is the really cool thing here.
And Kat, to be honest, you have four months to build this, all the features that you have mentioned.
You don't need to build it right away in three days, but you have four months to do it.
don't need to build it right away in three days, but you have four months to do it.
You mentioned as well that you have a developer team or one guy that is also helping you with
that.
That's really cool, to be honest.
That's a really good idea and definitely this fits really well for the fully on-chain
track that I think you can apply.
Don't forget to apply in the next three days.
But yeah, that's really cool
and I think these kind of social platforms
we don't have it on ICP
like a Tinder or even evolution of Tinder
with all the features that you mentioned
but yeah, I really love the idea
I would love to see and check it out
and see more about this
but yeah, that sounds really promising
and I know that Kat, when she's doing something
she's putting all her efforts and I know it will be really good. Let's see what's she doing.
I mean, it's kind of ironic because I think Javi, me and Sheldon are all in like, what,
like seven to 10 year relationships. So we're kind of the worst people to give feedback on this,
I think. But at the same time, I think this is awesome. I think this is super cool. Sheldon,
you heard a little bit about this last, I think, last week.
And I feel like it's evolved since then.
So are you more bullish on the fact that you can choose what data is on or off-chain?
I'd love to hear your thoughts, too.
Yeah, so I'm a really big proponent of using classical solution engineering as like a backboard.
It doesn't have to be your Bible, but using a really simple model of stakeholders and requirements is like, who cares?
And why do we do this? Like, what is the core thing?
So I want to make sure that I understand because it sounds like a scope that got a little wider in the past week with the help of some vibe coding, which is cool.
It sounds like there is a, you know, sort of like existing market trend to monetize relationships and in some
cases tokenize relationships.
But you also don't want that feeling to, you know, become too tactile and too, let's say
quantifiable, right?
Like, I don't want to think that I gave you alpha in the chat and you valued that at five
sats.
And then, you know, somebody else gave you value in the chat.
And then, you know, that else gave you value in the chat and then, you know,
that value got marked as a hundred sets and, you know, everyone saw it and there was a big,
you know, party animation thing for one and not for the other. So I just wanted to get an idea
of the requirements because the stakeholders is very, you know, set, it's personal relationships.
It's like someone who you might want to date, someone who you've got an existing friendship
with or family for the most part, right? So those are the stakeholders. The requirement sounds like we are, you know,
giving people value in a place where they weren't getting it before, because I know me, I've given
away maybe billions, but at least millions of dollars in value. Many, many people trade on my
advice, and I always tell them not to, but they do it anyway. And I like the idea of someone,
let's say, doing a little bit more than
giving me a tip or, you know, giving me a tip and other people notice. Like, I think there's
definitely room to include some tokenization of the value in those relationships. I just wanted
to get an understanding of that requirement, because it sounds like if I'm going to say
something valuable in the chat, you might detect that on input, like in the chat bubble, where I'm
starting to type the thing, you know, it sees type the thing you know it sees me mentioning a token it sees me mentioning a proper noun like bitcoin or
something up you know something similar and then you know the ux might be you know hey do you want
to enable tipping or you know hide this content in order for you know certain price tiers to reveal
it or you know all kind of things like that um is that kind of what you're thinking because it sounds
like you're you're tokenizing some interesting communication that
otherwise was like undervalued. Yeah, I think it's more like, so I call them the starter flags,
like red flags. So for instance, like when you're onboarding, the onboarding is kind of like this
like fun experience where you're kind of reflecting on yourself a little bit, but
the prompts are kind of funny. So a little bit, but the prompts are kind
of funny. So it's like, choose your three starter flags. It could be like text too much, maybe never
answers the phone, works all the time, chronically late, overshares everything, things that we can
all kind of like, I feel directly targeted. I'm sorry. It's me. It's literally, it's, it's all of
us. And then you have a prompt as well too, where you can like
share information about yourself. Maybe it's like something embarrassing, but endearing,
or like your deepest character flaw, right? But these are hidden and they're only shown
once you allow them to, or maybe you have like a confession or something and like,
they don't have to be all that, all that deep.
So basically once you kind of set up this profile and you answer a couple questions,
you then can, you go to the swipe portion where then you're, you know, you're going through different profiles and it will show you, you know, their top three starter flags.
And then it will have a hidden portion on the profile where you
have to match with them in order to reveal. So you're not going to know, you know a little bit
about this person, but like, is it enough to get to know them on like a deeper level? Like,
are you willing to invest that energy? And are you willing to share and get to know someone else?
So when that profile pops up,
you can like swipe left or right. Like it's not a match or you do want to match, or maybe you don't
want to match yet, but you want to have some fun banter so you can send a roast. And then let's
say, okay, you decide to match. There's a countdown and it goes, and then if you both match, you both will have a secret that will be revealed at the same time.
So it's kind of like having like both your vulnerabilities revealed.
Like you're sharing something with each other that like has a little bit of weight to it.
And so let's say like, I don't know, it doesn't have to be anything too crazy.
So like in my like product demo, I have something where it's like, hey, so we both sleep with stuffed animals. What's yours? And then another person's like, don't
judge me like my childhood dinosaur. And then it goes to the chat function underneath. So you can
just start chatting with this person without monetizing anything. There doesn't need to be
any sort of like monetary portion in this conversation. However, there will be some prompts below that might help.
Like maybe you just like, I don't know, like maybe you're like, okay, like I want to ask them
what their biggest ick is, but I don't want to just share that with anyone. I don't want to know
just anyone. And then this person is like, how do I know that, like, like, should, should I share
this piece of information with that person? And like, how much am I willing to share my biggest ick with this person?
And if I do share it with this person, will we align or will we disalign?
But if we align and we're on the same page, like, it's fine.
And I don't know, maybe there's, like, a value to that or something, right?
And maybe it doesn't have to be.
Okay.
Yeah.
There's one option in the chat.
So you're kind of building, like, a deeper connection with these people, but you're also really valuing... something, right? And maybe it doesn't happen. Yeah. So there's one option in the chat. So
you're kind of building like a deeper connection with these people, but you're also really valuing
and respecting this person's time, information, data, facts, and you hide it. You can hide and
reveal it on your own terms. Yeah. So I think what I misunderstood was the sort of like tier
of priorities, not Maslow's hierarchy quite, but like tier of priorities of existing relationships.
Right. Like this sounds like it's more about new relationships and not so much about enriching existing ones.
Like both can be there. You know, maybe you'll feel comfortable in this like safer environment to talk about your ick that you were like hesitating to talk with your new girlfriend about because maybe your husband's that and you don't want to you know showcase that to her like that that makes perfect sense to me okay but maybe
what i missed is in the onboarding process i kind of skipped over it but you can choose your mode
so you can choose for uh like just vibes where it's like friends and family or like things that
are more platonic or you can like go on i think you didn't say that and i missed it yeah yeah okay
gotcha gotcha there's a lot it's a lot. It's a lot.
You said something like that.
It's a lot.
Yeah.
And for the record, there is a difference between tokenizing and monetizing social relationships.
I wasn't understanding as much.
You're making it a little bit more clear now.
But you can tokenize relationships without giving them a monetary value.
And that's like stars, points, you know, like credits in some cases,
but that usually feels a little too close to like credit card.
People usually think of that as monetization,
but there's definitely room for, you know, like,
hey, you've shared three secrets with me.
I feel comfortable with you because you haven't gone
and snitched all my friends about this ick that my husband is,
you know, actually portraying.
You know, like there's room there for some,
I think some interesting play about, you know, the sort of like incrementing of a nonce or the repeating of a process successfully or, hey, we're growing our relationship.
We've shared a couple of secrets together. And now I want to invite you popular outside the dating front, because I think there is actually a pretty heavy saturation
of dating apps. So personally, I would find it more interesting on the social side. But yeah,
I was just positioning it in my mind more as a conversational, already relationships established
kind of structure. And you're looking more at the like the new social relationships angle so that makes perfect sense i appreciate
the comments yeah no i i really like your feedback actually i found it very useful and like helpful
so like keep them coming and this is only like one part of like like i'm trying to build actually
something like much bigger but i just feel like this is like okay this is like a this is like the
start this is one sort of loop, like game loop thing.
Don't start with the whole pie.
Yeah, yeah, start with a slice.
There's too many things, and my AI is just not fast enough right now.
Neither is my computer.
I love it. I love it.
Actually, I just want to double tap on something that Sheldon said
because I think that this is also more reason
that you should click the link at the top of the screen right now,
but semantics matter and words matter.
And the way that we contextualize and, you know, contextualize things and come up with ideas really do matter.
And that's why I think, Kat, you're also a perfect builder to be doing this, even though you are vibe coding.
Like you said, you have a technical co-founder, technical team member who you're working with.
But literally just the choice of saying credits versus points or some little minutiae like that can actually make a really big difference. And I love that
you mentioned that, Sheldon. And I think that again, that's all the more reason that we want
to encourage people to be building teams around these projects and for people to come up with
ideas, and then to have other people code those ideas. Sometimes those can be the same person,
but they don't necessarily have to be. So Kat, I actually love this. I love this little deep dive dive i feel like we need to have a few more of these uh on this basis uh we're nearing
the end of our first hour but i have another hour scheduled in here so depending on people's
availability uh we're vibing for as long as people want to hang out essentially for now for now um so
cat i really appreciate i also like cat i believe you're you tagged your um your account in the
comment section so now we actually have tagged your accounts in the comment section.
So now we actually have 12 comments in this little comment section.
So if anybody wants to scroll through there, you can find Kat and you can give her even more feedback.
Or if anybody wants to come up here and share something with Kat or share your project, we encourage you to do so.
I see a bunch of builders in the space.
I see a bunch of folks with ICP in their profile picture.
I also see some folks who seem like they're NFT project founders or, you
know, DeFi nerds, for lack of a better word, and all of those lovely things. So I'd love to get
some more folks up here to do exactly what Kat just did and pitch your project or just your idea.
It does not have to be fully developed. It does not have to be ready to go. Like Javi mentioned,
as long as you're able to put together a deck, get a GitHub repo up and running and or just like,
to put together a deck, get a GitHub repo up and running,
and just find another person to join with,
you are able to join the World Computer Hacker League yourself.
And you can be a part of this lovely community.
Join us on more of these spaces and get feedback from amazing people
like Sheldon from Omnity, who, as he said,
he's generated billions of dollars in value,
but I know a lot of people who would pay money to get Sheldon's advice, you know, let alone live in real time. So I think this is awesome.
I'm very happy this is working out the way that it is. And speaking of not just semantics,
but speaking of the marketers and the builders beyond the devs, Alex, I see that you joined us
up on stage. I don't want to pressure you into anything specific. I don't know if you have
something you want to pitch or just something you want to say, but I'd love to pass the mic over to you.
Maybe you can share a little bit about some of the beautiful stuff that you're building.
And is there anything that you are currently building that you think you might be able to submit as part of this hackathon
and or maybe integrate ICP into?
Loaded set of questions, but Alex, we'd love to pass it over to you.
And Big GM, welcome.
Big GM to you as well. And thank you so much for getting me up on the stage.
Just to give a quick intro, I'm Alex.
I run Web3 Marketing Hackathons, which is not exactly a product or I don't know exactly.
It's not like something that can be built on chain, but it's definitely something that has made some waves
in the non-technical,
amongst like non-technical people in Web3.
And just to give you a quick context,
I've done this as a proof of test
in Bangkok during DEF CON last year.
I put together the event in two and a half weeks.
We had about 120 participants,
about 70% submission rate. And then I've done it again in Denver, where I've also met and got to
hang with Kat, where we had 193 registrations, also about 70% submission rate, which was great.
And it made me think that there's so much need for non-technical people to join this kind of event
because I feel like many times hackathons
are mostly for devs
and everybody just focusing on product building.
But obviously not everybody can be an entrepreneur.
So I think we should definitely try to appeal
to non-technical people
to maybe have an idea and want to build something,
but they don't have enough tech skills.
And ever since I've done this event in Denver, my hackathon was replicated four times.
It was licensed twice, and it was integrated in a normal hackathon, like dev hackathon,
just last week in Berlin, which made me think there's actually a lot of, there's a big need
in the market for this kind of things to happen and for this kind of people to get involved.
At the same time, I do have a couple of ideas on like products that can be built for growth
in general, because I think one of the things that we're missing in general is our ways to get to those billion users in crypto.
And one of the things that I think would also be very important would be to integrate some of these hackathons or mini hackathons or these teams into some of the hackathons that are being built,
ICP included as well, because I do believe that a lot of devs need go-to-market strategies.
And I think a lot of the marketers, at least that I know, will be more than happy to give a hand
and try to provide some or maybe like actually join a team as well. I would definitely go around to see what teams have, what was the situation right now, because I've been aching to join a hackathon for a long time,
even if I've organized one, but I've never gone through to something that ICP is organizing.
that icp is organizing and i would definitely want to see um how i can provide any value or
how maybe in the future uh we can uh join forces as well yeah and that was my pick let me jump here
nice to see you alex here i think we met you i met you in um in denver if i'm not wrong yes yes and
uh yeah you are doing a really good job because because you are trying to approach also hackathons for like non-technical people, not only for developers, of course, for everyone.
And this is more or less the approach that we have as well for the World Computer Hacker League and also for Caffeine AI, right?
With Caffeine AI, basically with a self-writing internet, you can build anything through C caffeine without coding right and this is something like
probably we can explore as well because i know you are also organizing you mentioned berlin and
also denver and other cities that you are doing really good job with with hackathons and
approaching like non-technical people and definitely i see a lot of fit here together
to to collaborate in the future but uh yeah, thanks. Thanks again for joining us
today and explain more about the good job that you are doing.
Beautiful, beautiful. And this is also an open call here, I would say as well. Alex,
not to put you on the spot at all, but if there's any builders in the room who really need a marketer
or who want somebody that they can dive in know, dive in with, you know,
hit up Alex, you know, shoot her a tweet, you know, tell her what you're thinking about.
And I encourage everybody to do that. That's why, you know, we want to have these spaces. That's why
Javi's really pushing the discord. You know, yes, of course, in Canada and the US, but also globally,
we want us all to come together. And that's why there is this, like, you know, stipulation to
have teams of two or more, because we want people to build together. We want to create collaboration. We want to bring the, you know, the again, the marketers, the UI UX designers, the project managers, the builders on maybe a more, you know, non-technical sense together with the builders who do have the technical backgrounds to actually create a lot of these products.
Who do have the technical backgrounds to actually create a lot of these products and a lot of the time the magic
You know the magic happens when these two worlds come together
So Alex I really appreciate all the work that you're doing
I got to participate in one of these marketing hackathons at some point or I'll just find you some sponsors
I mean, I think we're in a couple group chats together, but we'll make something cool work at some point
I'm sure that when the time is right the time will be right
But love what you're building love what you're doing and yeah, really happy to to have you here
Well, thanks a lot. I think the next one we're planning is Argentina.
So I think that's going to be a very important one for us,
especially because we're trying to do a lot more cool things than to expand the scope of the marketing hackathon.
Especially because I've had a lot of devs coming to and they said,
oh, I came to this hackathon because most times
we just build products, but we never know
if they're actually going to be used.
So we wanted to see like how things are being seen
from the other side so we can build better products.
And I think this is a very important thing
and I would love to see how maybe we can build some tools
or get, I don't know if we can get the hackathon on chain
or just participation on chain, but I would love to see how we can build things
together with ICP.
Absolutely, absolutely.
As you can see, we're using Dora hacks for this hackathon.
I know that there's a number of other kind of, you know,
pieces of infrastructure that are kind of ubiquitous
to the ecosystem.
But that being said, a lot of these things are,
have been around for quite a while.
A lot of these things are very Web2 driven.
So I think there definitely is always a want and a need to get something bigger, better, faster, stronger.
And what better way to do that than build it on or with ICP and integrate some cross-chain or multi-chain functionality directly into the fabric.
If people can do, you know, an on-chain validated upload or, you know, a token-gated back end to their, you know, project details that only the judges can see.
I think there's a lot of different ways that, you know, something really cool could come out of conversations exactly like this.
And maybe somebody in the room is already building this or maybe it's already partially built.
Who knows? But, you know, I definitely think that there's always there's always a need for something to be more optimized, better, easier, easier being the most operative word, I think, in this case.
But I see that Javi has to head out in a moment.
So Javi, are there any final words that you'd like to say just before you have to pop out here?
Maybe a final encouragement to the folks who are building in the room before you have to hop out?
And then we'll keep this train running for as long as we can today.
But Javi, we'd love to get some final words of encouragement for you before you have to hop out.
Yes.
No, it's an amazing space, guys.
Thanks so much for organizing this.
And then everyone, yeah, if you have any idea, please submit, join Dora Hacks,
and then connect with other people in the ecosystem.
Because even if you plant like a seed, the plant will grow and you will see the results.
We have a lot of people trying to help,
a lot of developers, a lot of people
from the Definity Foundation, from the ACP hubs.
We have as well the developer syndicate.
Any question that you have, please don't be shy.
It's not silly questions.
Ask anything, even if you're like a beginner or an expert.
It's a room for you.
And you have three days now,
and we are looking forward to see what we can achieve here in North America.
I'm so bullish, to be honest.
In terms of numbers, probably other regions have more developers registered
and more projects.
But I was reviewing yesterday the 33, 34 submissions that we have so far and it's really
impressive what uh you know the the people in north america are building and and then yeah
encourage everyone to to participate feel free to dm us uh anytime and yeah see you see you soon
thanks so much guys appreciate you javi and thank you for taking time uh out of your busy schedule
to join us here today.
Anybody that wants to double tap on anything that Javi said today or ask him any questions, feel free to click his profile and shoot him a DM as well.
He is one of the folks who really does respond to almost all DMs, and he's been extremely active,
probably talking to hundreds if not thousands of people on a daily basis around this hackathon,
both existing builders and teams that are, you know, entering this new ecosystem. So big, big flowers to you, Javi,
for everything that you're doing, both for this and for the ecosystem as a whole, and excited about all of the things that are coming up in the coming months. I won't give away too, too much
alpha on spaces, as I think we've already mentioned a few things, but big things are soon coming.
I can say that with quite a bit of
confidence. Okay, so I do see a whole bunch of builders still in the room. I see that Gideon
also just joined back up here. Gideon is an absolute Bitcoin OG and one of my favorite
builders in the space period. So Kat, I don't know if you want to invite Gideon up on stage or
Gideon, if you do have a moment and you are able to speak, if you want to request.
I've replaced myself as the co-host with the ICP Hub's global account and the Quantum Leaps account.
So I'm no longer able to do that manually, but I'm sure we can figure it out.
I'm sure we can figure it out.
And you're also in good company as a Bitcoin builder up here, as we do also have Sheldon.
I know that both of you, we were all together in Denver not that long ago,
spreading the good gospel of Bitcoin all in one room.
But, you know, now we're doing it on spaces from different parts of the world, literally
three out of four corners of this continent because we're we're here with ICP Hubs Canada
and U.S. Gideon, if I'm not mistaken, you're in San Francisco. Sheldon's in Florida. I'm up here
in Toronto. I guess I could be further north if we really wanted to go four corners. But we got
the hubs. We got the hubs. We're covered. Actually, Kat's in Vancouver, too. if we really wanted to go four corners, but we got the hubs. We got the
hubs. We're covered. Actually, Katz and Vancouver, too, so we really do have all four corners of this
lovely continent covered. But yeah, very, very excited to have you back in here. Appreciate you
taking the time. And generally speaking, just bullish on all of what we've heard here today.
I think you can see how much new, exciting innovation is happening within this ecosystem,
how much established innovation is happening within this ecosystem.
We have folks like Sheldon and Omnity, and we have folks like Sam and
Biaki Quantum who have been building in this space for quite some time and
really, you know, created successful innovations using this tech.
And I think that, you know, there's no better proof of concept for people who
are maybe considering entering this hackathon or considering building within this ecosystem than seeing companies that are super established, doing really, really well and using this technology to their advantage.
So I'm bullish. I'm extremely excited. I think that this is a really great time to build.
And as Javi keeps mentioning, we may end up extending a couple more days, it sounds like.
But generally speaking, you do only have two or three days left to submit.
So if you are somebody that has been thinking of something, if you're somebody that has
an idea in your notes, doc on your phone, that's just kind of been collecting dust and
you keep maybe adding to periodically and something you've been thinking of that you
really want to implement, you can really be on very early idea stages of a concept and still submit
it to this phase of the hackathon. And you can already start winning prizes. Because like Javi's
mentioned as well, this hackathon goes over the course of four months. This is not a one day
hackathon. This is not a weekend hackathon. It's not an overnight situation. It's not even a week
long hackathon, you know, shout out East Denver, you know, where you can kind of, you know, not
sleep for four or five days and, you know, build consistently.
You can sleep during this hackathon, but probably not that much because you're probably going to be quite busy.
But you've got four months to develop a product, get feedback at four different phases of this project.
You have the regional or the more local phase of this competition and the more regional phase of this competition.
And then these global phases and, of course, the final grand prize phase.
But you can win a significant amount of prizes.
And of course, ICP has one of the strongest, most robust grant ecosystems, as well as,
since they are our co-hosts here again, I will do a shout out.
Rhiannon, I'm not sure if you're able to talk and maybe talk a little bit about Quantum
Leap, but I'll do at least like a two cent version. You do have
amazing organizations like quantum leap labs who are creating accelerator programs and who are
directly supporting the builders kind of as a venture fund for back of a letter or yeah,
a venture fund for back of a lack of a better word. I think that, you know, these are the types
of organizations that really do allow for people to springboard forwards during hackathons like this, but also just, you know, on a regular basis.
And they're really doing a lot of the good work building and growing and making all of this possible for a lot of builders.
So it's not just one fold. It's not just three fold. It's multi fold. It's multi chainchain and multi-fold. I see a text from Rhiannon. She's out doing sports at the moment,
which I will probably join you in that endeavor.
At some point in the next few hours,
I have to hit the gym,
but you are probably enjoying the beautiful weather
at the moment.
With the kids, lol, not me.
Okay, I'm speaking on your behalf.
She's supervising children.
She's doing something even better.
She's fighting the good fight
in a different way, shape, and form.
Just before we start winding things down, I did also see a couple other people who had some comments and some
questions in the chat. Fares, or Fars, I believe you had a technical question, which maybe somebody
like Sheldon might be able to answer. So if you wanted to pop on up here and ask that in more
specificity, we'd be happy to have you up here. I see that also Marlon had another question, but I don't see it in here anymore.
So Marlon, if you want to pop in here, you are more than welcome to do so.
If not, I'm happy to read your questions and kind of be your voice in this little context,
as you would prefer, but definitely encourage folks who have any questions
or would like to pitch
what it is that they're thinking of building
to raise their hand and pop on up here
and join us up on stage before we wrap up today's spaces.
As we mentioned, we are starting to come to a close
of this phase of the competition, but it's not even a phase.
We haven't even really gotten started.
We're about to enter four months
of really exciting development.
And so I'm very
excited. Kat, is there anything that I didn't mention about the application process? Because
you are the one, well, one of the ones who's done it yourself and gone through the process. So
actually, maybe for anybody who's listening right now who might be considering applying
or might even have the link open in another tab, do you want to walk people through just like a
really, really high level of like, what are the steps that you have to take if you wanted to, if somebody wanted to go right now
and click one of these links and apply, um, how would they do so? Do you mind,
do you mind giving us a little mini walkthrough? Oh my God. Yes. Just head onto the website,
click on one of the links above. Uh, if you're looking for a team, click the door hacks one.
Um, but wait, let me just double check. Okay. click the second link there and register as a hacker
and then it just has a couple easy questions you just have to fill out your discord your name
you don't even have to submit like your project idea or anything just register and make sure you add Canada and US as your ICP hub, Canada represent.
And then you're basically done, honestly.
Once you register, you're good to go.
Start building.
And I think submissions for the project is this Friday, the 26th.
So there's still a couple more days.
And like Javi was saying, you don't need to have the full project completed. It's just qualifications. There's four days. And like Javi was saying, you don't need to have the full project completed. It's
just qualifications. There's four months. I feel like I'm like talking to myself. I'm like, hey,
Kat, like, you don't have to build it all three days. You got four months. But no, but that's so
real. I feel like a lot of the time when you're conceptualizing something like this, like a lot
of us, especially the perfectionists in the room, which perfection is something that
is unattainable, but we all strive towards, you know, it's very difficult to, you know,
let yourself just like submit it when you haven't already built it. But we really do encourage you
to do that. Because again, this is not a normal hackathon where you have to submit a finished
project. You can just submit an idea. So anyway, Kat, sorry, I interrupted you. Go back to the flow.
Submit an idea, submit, submit, submit, put Canada and US under your. So anyway, Kat, sorry I interrupted you. Exactly. Go back to the flow. Submit an idea.
Submit, submit, submit.
Put Canada and US under your ICP hub because, you know, we're a cool hub.
And I think it would be fun times.
But, yeah, submit.
Like, honestly, and you don't even have to be a developer.
Like Alex was saying, like, you could be a marketer.
You could be, you know, check out, join a team.
Check out all the
different roles join the hackathon that way or start your own project and literally you could
probably vibe code the whole thing although honestly would recommend having an engineer
because the conversations with me and the engineer um there's a lot of things that that someone who
is non-technical misses so yeah everyone sign up and I hope to see you there and I hope to see your projects there.
This is the first hackathon I've like ever joined in my entire life and I'm having a lot of fun.
So yeah.
Hey, and you're getting all the benefits right off the bat, you know, even pre-submission. So more and more encouragement for people to do exactly this
and become part of the World Computer Hacker League 2025, the biggest hackathon ever hosted by ICP.
But I feel like they're going to beat it in the future. I mean, these guys keep building,
they keep growing, they keep developing the ecosystem to such a significant extent. And
what I'll say right now is as much as I like the sound of my own voice, I think we'll probably start wrapping things up momentarily and maybe maybe end this one and hopefully see you guys in the next one, maybe in a week or two, as hopefully we do continue doing these on a regular basis.
I wanted to shout out Kat and my team at Cash Labs. You'll see that we are one of the speakers here for hosting the spaces here today and bringing some of these amazing speakers together.
for hosting the spaces here today
and bringing some of these amazing speakers together.
Love the team.
I mean, like, I'm obviously a little bit biased.
This is my team, but love this team.
And also a huge shout out to the ICP Hub Canada
and Quantum Leap Labs teams
for everything they're doing,
facilitating this hackathon
and all of the other amazing infrastructure
that they have within the ICP ecosystem,
but also the ecosystem as a whole.
As folks in this room have mentioned,
these lovely people support not only people building directly on ICP, but people building within, and all of their constituent hubs around the world,
of which ICP of Canada and US is one
and one of the leading ones.
So yeah, just really, really appreciative
of everybody who took the time out of their days
to hang out with us here today.
I will give one last, you know, Hail Mary call
if anybody else wants to pop up here and say hi
or ask any questions or submit anything. But otherwise, I've seen a lot of awesome questions as well in the
comments here. So do also feel free to DM myself to DM the ICP of Canada and US account, or the
Quantum Leap Labs account or Javi himself. If you would like if you do have any questions or would
like to continue this conversation, not in verbal, not in a verbal method. I don't know if that's English, but you know, if you want to just DM us, you can DM us.
This is essentially what I'm saying. Uh, DMs are open. So, uh, yeah, with all that being said,
um, I think we'll wrap this one up, uh, do it a casual, what was this like 70 something minutes.
So, um, I think that's quite nice. And Oh, did we get somebody up here? I see Mishmash,
if that's how you pronounce your name.
Mishmash, do you have a question or would you like to pitch something before we wrap this baby up?
Yeah, I'd like to pitch something. Can you hear me okay?
We can hear you very well. How are you? GM, let's hear it.
Okay, perfect. Yeah, not too bad. GM, yeah. So I'm in the wrong space anyway, because I'm not in North America,
but I thought I'd give it a go anyway.
You can join. You can add. Add it as your hub.
Okay.
But also your mic.
Okay, so, yeah.
Sorry, go on.
Okay, all right, I'll go ahead then. All right. I've been trying to think of a problem to solve that is
a ubiquitous problem,
something that is present in Web 2 and Web 3.
Just a bit about my personal experience.
I've been unemployed for about the past six months.
As I've been trying to find work,
I've been offered work by different agencies,
but often they want a reference and the reference is often hard to get.
Partially because a lot of work I've done has been freelance.
It's hard to track down people who you've worked for in the past.
Sometimes they're startups that have closed down, and you can't get the reference in time
um so a partial solution i've been thinking about is perhaps having sort of a reference as an nft
stored on the blockchain as a solution for freelancers so there's like a record
solution for freelancers so there's like a record of work that they've done so it's easy for
agencies or employers to get this reference quickly and hire whoever they want to hire
now I think a good way to have a proving ground for this is if you think about a lot of people in
web3 like people who are like yappers or contributing Web 3,
a lot of them are doing Web 3 full time,
so they're technically not really employed.
So for them, they'd probably have the same problem,
where if they were looking for a job
and they've not done anything in Web 2 for a year
because they've been in Web 3, they
don't have any track record.
So perhaps another use case would
be if someone is doing stuff in Web 3,
like yapping as an example, and they've actually been good at it, then projects could give them an NFT to demonstrate that they've contributed to the project and that they have done some effective work during this time period.
So I think that would be kind of the proving ground.
So the general idea is to have references stored on the blockchain.
So if someone is looking for work in the future and they're a freelancer and they can't reach out to the startup they worked with before or whoever they worked with before, then they can use a blockchain as a point of reference.
And I think on a larger scale, it could be useful.
No, no, no. Continue. I was just, I like it.
I was going to give you some feedback.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, please.
Yeah.
So then sort of the final sort of idea or final part of this project would be sort of expanding to Web2 in general,
where just in general, references could be stored on blockchain.
And so if a new employer is to find
that information about someone they want to employ they can just ask for access access is granted
they don't have to sort of go through long processes with with hr and chasing hr up to get
this information and they can sort of employ who they want to employ quickly so how i would imagine
this working in terms of demonstrating if it works is starting in web3 with i gave the example
of like yappers or other people who contribute in web3 getting them to try it out and perhaps
pay for the service and then if it does seem to be effective then expand to like freelance
platforms like upwork where people you've got all these freelancers who would like to have a record
of reference of the work they've done and then then in the future, expand to a platform like LinkedIn as an example, where people can easily get a reference quickly and it can be done globally because it's on the Internet and it uses blockchain.
So that's the general idea.
It's something I only thought of this week, so it's not fully fleshed out, but that's the basic idea.
That's the basic idea.
So I appreciate any feedback.
I really like this.
This is kind of giving me a bunch of different vibes of a few different things, but none of them are this to any extent.
I think that it was Uniswap V3 that kind of innovated the idea of, I guess, like NFTs as proof of.
But then that was really adopted across a number of different things.
I know that like Snapshot, for instance, like the DAO voting mechanic, you can have an NFT in your wallet that will allow
you to vote. But obviously, that's a way more fundamental kind of version of this kind of
mechanism. Also, like the DGEN scores, if you saw those where you could, you know,
connect a wallet and then based on your on-chain data, it would give you a score based on all the
things that you've done. And nowadays, you know, with things like Kaito and with things like,
you know, Galaxy Quest and all these different things, you know, there really are these,
you know, connect your wallet and then get validated to some extent. So I think this
could be really, really cool. And I would love to see you build this. I could definitely use
this myself because even though I do have a full time job and I run an agency, a lot of the stuff
that I do is kind of like in the back end. And I've definitely done a lot of degen shit over the course, excuse my French, but, you
know, I've definitely done a lot of degening over the course of the past, you know, what,
six, ten years, you know, as things have kind of evolved throughout the space.
So, yeah, I think there really is a lot of validity as well to, you know, things like,
you know, were you around for the counterparty days?
You know, were you an OG in ordinals? You know, did you mint an NFT on Ethereum? I don't know,
in 2020 or 2021? Like, there's a lot of these kinds of like, I guess, like badges that a lot
of us probably would like to wear and maybe have validated that. Also, I do think some employers
would take seriously or at least, you know, be interested in.
And yeah, I mean, especially if you were a very, you know, active member of a community,
I'm sure that there is an abundance of either on-chain or off-chain data,
whether that's you being extremely active in a Discord, you tweeting or yapping or whatever the case is
on a very regular basis about a project and, you know, generating a decent amount of mindshare.
I do think these things are valuable and I do think these things are valuable.
And I do think these things are valuable to employers.
Speaking from personal experience, having hired quite a few people, a lot of the time,
the difficult thing when I'm trying to find somebody who is a Web3 native is exactly what
you're saying.
You know, I'm looking at their LinkedIn and maybe they graduated school three or four
years ago and maybe they worked at, I don't know, some completely adjacent job.
Like, you know, they were a camp counselor or they were, you know, they they were a manager at a Wendy's or I don't know what the case is.
But on the side, you know, they're they're doing a bunch of really interesting things.
Maybe they have 10,000 followers on Twitter or 100,000 followers on Twitter.
And, you know, they have a board ape and they're just, you know, hodling.
I don't know.
Those two things probably don't go hand in hand,
the Wendy's and the bored ape.
But let's see.
Let's see how this cycle goes.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
But, you know, all that being said,
I think this is a really cool idea.
I would personally encourage you to submit this
partially for selfish reasons,
because I would like to use this,
both for myself and for people that I hire,
but would love to get somebody else's take.
Sheldon, are you still hanging out?
I feel like you might have two cents on this.
Or if not, Kat would love to hear from you too.
And yeah, let's hear it.
If you want.
If you want.
I don't want to nerd out too hard.
Let's let Kat go first.
Kat, if you're up for it, please.
Okay.
Take over for me so I don't nerd all over this space.
I don't know.
Like, very interesting, I think. I feel like I have a bunch of random hypothesis. You talk about your background and for me, I just think of it as like, okay, so here is a profile and here are many profiles similar to this and how can it be successful in various, in a different like economic model.
And so like with the job thing, I feel like there's a Black Mirror episode on this.
Like, you know, the one where it's like you have like the social credit score
and then based on that or based on your on-chain history
or based on some movements or transactions that you have done,
it either helps or does not help your place in, I guess, the economic side of things.
I don't know if that makes sense, but it's a very interesting topic.
I don't really have any crazy feedback or anything.
My brain just thinks of thoughts and random solutions.
I mean, I don't want to be the one to say this, but isn't that literally what China does right now?
Well, I am Chinese.
I don't know.
I mean, like 10 China points for us for pushing this idea forward.
I like it.
I think that's valid feedback.
Sheldon, anything else you want to add to this?
Yeah, I think we need market research on Maltego.
So if you've never heard of Maltego, that's M-A-L-T-E-G-O.
It's not as powerful for non-Western folks,
but that sort of personal profile of aggregating data points
and making that useful information.
Me as a cybersecurity engineer, when I go to get hired at a Fortune 500 company, they
will need to hire a company that does a background check on me.
Is that background check more legally focused or more focused on my footprint on the internet?
It varies.
I mean, there's 33 states in the US that don't want me to say mean things about Israel.
Like, I have to understand that there is a number of countries that have their own sort of geopolitical context with the U.S., and that does feed into how data points are appreciated by a corporation.
So there is a variety of scopes for this sort of thing.
I'm a big fan of ETH.WTF.
I think that's the name of the site.
That'll tell me that I've wasted six ETH on cash
over the past seven years of operation or so,
maybe a little more.
And, you know, I think the on-chain data...
You mean those guys gave us all a very disappointing airdrop
like two years ago?
I think it was like, I think I got like, you know,
it's like you spent 50 ETH, but you get 75 cents.
Here you go. Sorry.
Well, I did also sell billions of SHIB
for the
cost of a transaction on purpose. Like I knew exactly what I was doing. I'm real big on value
prop. I'll dump coins that just don't have value prop that makes sense for me and stuff like that.
But that's part of my reputation on chain. I'm proud of that personally. So I think my
conclusory statement about this is not to vomit a bunch of references or my geopolitical
opinions. It's that there's a incentive for both sides to say like, hey, we've got a complete
within a scope data set. And then me providing my relative or relevant information that I want
to make myself look good. And I don't want to be like, hey, check it out. I lost a lot of money on
this trade. That's not always the best thing. Sometimes it's on purpose.
But I think there's a balance where you want to recognize that, number one, decentralized identity has failed in every attempt.
There's still 150 companies or so that control all the security certificates around the world that we use for everything from HTTPS websites to starting up
connections with VPNs. So instead of extending that problem, I would say that you want to give
the option to curate. You want that sort of human touch that comes to these data structures,
because you can always just vomit a big pile of data as, you know, a sender and a recipient.
But when you're looking at, you know, the benefits and why they want to do that and, you know, your solution engineering for your stakeholders, you know, who cares and your requirements.
Why are we doing this? If you can answer those two questions in a refined scope of that data, then I'm sure you can provide some value.
I love that. I love that. And also, you just made me think of I have no idea how relevant this is to what you were talking about or what our friend Mishmash is talking about as well.
But I know that Pravado IB, which I think is now called Billions Network, Evan McMullen, she's amazing.
And she, I think, was previously called Disco.
And then they were acquired and then they were merged.
And a lot of things have happened.
But they're trying to do some of this on-chain identity, ownership, connect your wallet, you know, prove a bunch of facts about yourself, et cetera, et cetera.
So I do hope to see a lot more action in that space.
And hey, maybe that's more encouragement
for you to start building this
because hey, it sounds like these people
love to acquire and merge.
So it could be something, could be something.
No financial advice, of course.
But yeah, I always love your takes, Sheldon.
I feel like we should have a podcast
or something at some point.
We'll talk about that later. Cool. Okay. Amazing. If anybody else wants
to pop on up here and do exactly what Mr. Mishmash just did, I very much encourage you to do so.
Otherwise, it has been an absolute pleasure hanging out with you all for the past, what,
hour and a half or so. It's a lovely day today, as it is always, you know, building and
growing in this ecosystem. There's a lot of chaos on CT today, as people think that we've hit the
top and we're going to start crashing. But we've been saying that now for years. So I'm bullish.
I'm happy. I think that the fact that we have infrastructure, like exactly what we're talking
about here today, where, you know, organizations like DFINITY and ICP are, you know, injecting hundreds of thousands of dollars in prizes and liquidity into the
ecosystem, directly supporting builders is probably about as bullish of a take as you can get
with something really tangible and really literal. So again, for one final time, I really do want to
encourage people, if you're in here right now, either now or after the fact, scroll through the pinned tweets at the top of the page.
Find a link.
Click through.
And you don't even have to have a fully developed project.
Or you can have a fully developed project.
And you can apply and enter one of the longest-term hackathons that I've at least seen in Web3.
I don't want to say it's the longest hackathon ever.
I'm sure it's not. But, you know, we have four months to build something quite cool or continue innovating on a project or a product or a protocol that you are developing already.
So with all that being said, thank you all for taking the time.
I'll always let somebody continue to request if anybody wants to request while I'm spieling here.
But all of that being said, again, it's been a pleasure to host you guys here today.
Thank you on behalf of myself and Kat, the ICPF's Canada and US team, and Cash Labs.
Thank you all for taking the time.
And we look forward to seeing you in the next spaces.
Let's freaking grow, everybody.
Let's do it.
And really hope to see a lot of people in this room on the list of applicants for this hackathon.
Really excited.
Kat, you want to close this out?
Thank you, everyone. See you soon. Sign up. We love you all. Bye.
