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ICP HUBS CANADA & US
Recorded: July 9, 2025 Duration: 0:57:00Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic Twitter Spaces session, crypto enthusiasts discussed innovative projects like Saturance and BIP Quantum, highlighting significant partnerships and grants that are shaping the future of blockchain technology. The conversation underscored the growing trends in AI, Bitcoin DeFi, and sustainability, showcasing the vibrant ecosystem of the Internet Computer Protocol (ICP) and its potential for growth.
Full Transcription
Thank you. I'm going to go to the next episode of the show. hello hello i wonder if you guys can hear me and if this is working
all right well we're gonna try this again i'm'm going to send the, oh, there's David. I'm going to add you as a co-host.
Feels like a rough Monday morning.
Okay, we're on.
Add a speaker.
Add a speaker.
Carbon, add a speaker.
All right.
We were just getting into that and that conversation was.
I heard music this time.
So we got something kicking.
Right.
There was something going.
It's been so good.
Twitter is a beast and does this type of thing ever so often.
So on behalf of everybody, apologies for the rug.
It's called rug radio for a reason, is what we always like to say.
So we are unfortunately or fortunately not alone in that capacity.
But let's get things back up and running and see if we can at least get to the rest of our speakers here today
and also answer any questions that folks might have had.
So, yeah, let's, Kat, I guess I'll take over here and maybe if you can get some tweets
out and just let people know that we're back up and running.
Let's get all of our lovely accounts back up on stage.
Maybe you want to do a quick DM to our other lovely speakers.
But Alana and Ankit and Javier have made it back here.
I also see the VIP Quantum folks.
Our team's back in here.
So yeah, let's see what we can do in our remaining 30 minutes that we have
of this lovely Twitter spaces, and then realistically
we'll probably schedule an
additional one so that we can continue this
conversation and maybe gear it a little bit
more towards the questions and
some of the things that maybe we won't have as much time for
here today as we might
like, just given
the rugging situation,
which unfortunately we don't have too, too much
control over as much as we would like.
So with all that being said, why don't we just continue the conversation as it was?
Ankit, I believe we were just about to have a lovely conversation about your work.
We were talking about, you know, how there's folks who are going to be involved in this
ecosystem who range from brand new developers,
maybe vibe coding or doing something more culturally applicable
all the way through to really robust institutional use cases
like what it is that I believe you're building.
So yeah, I would love to pass it over to you, Ankit.
Thank you for your patience and thank you for hopping back up in with us.
People will be able to listen to this after the fact and we will be sharing clips from the spaces as well.
So, yeah, I would love to pass it over to you, hear a little bit more about what you're building
and maybe inspire some of the folks who are listening now or after the fact
to build as part of the World Computer Hacker League,
which, again, people can sign up for at the link pinned at the top of the screen.
Ankit, passing it over to you.
Thank you, David. And, you know, GM, GM, everyone, good to see you. And thank you to ICP and Javi for having us. So it's really good to be here. And I have to say, I think this Twitter space has
been resilient. We can see a lot of folks already trickling in. So my buddy Paul from Carbon System
is already here. And I think he would also probably love to speak after I speak. But basically, quick background, you know,
my co-founders and I, we are building a project called Saturance on ICP. So we're building a
modular, scalable, decentralized insurance protocol for smart contract insurance, stablecoin
de-pegging, you know, all other kinds of sort of crypto related risks. And also, we plan to expand it beyond crypto as well. So we are using Bitcoin as underlying
collateral in order to underwrite insurance. And the best project that the best chain that
we could find in order to interact natively with Bitcoin was ICP. So we've been building
these projects in the last few months, we've also been the recipient of a $25,000 grant from ICP. And we've been given a lot of support from the ICP teams in terms of just like building,
in terms of tech support, marketing, all kinds of things. So I highly encourage anybody still
in sort of two minds to consider ICP in order to build their project. What we kind of see is that
for two main trends in which people are actually building projects right now, which is basically AI and Bitcoin DeFi, you know, the best place that we've kind of personally seen is ICP.
Lots of grants, lots of support, anything that you can possibly get, you're able to get.
possibly get you you you you're able to get so super excited upon that and then my co-founders
So super excited upon that.
and i we are also participating in the world computer hackathon as well so so super excited
and then before before before building this project i had an eight-year career in traditional
finance starting with the goldman sachs and then earlier building a couple of defa projects as well
and then one of my one of one of one of the other things that I used to do was I used to head the blockchain club
at UC Berkeley, where we also did a bunch of events with ICP teams in San Francisco.
So with Harvey, with Aussie, and with also the CEO and CTO of ICP.
And then one of my buddies from that school is Paul Bricek,
who's building his own project named Carbon Sustained, also on ICP.
So everybody that we know is also, I think, going after ICP.
So super excited on that.
Now is the time to be building on a world computer.
I love it.
And Ankit, really great to have you here and to have somebody who's such, you know, a storied builder in the ICP Hub's ecosystem and the DFINITY ecosystem. So really, really great to have you here. And also for people who are listening, again, now or after the fact, this is one of the builders that you should be speaking with, asking questions to, you know, if you are somebody who wants are somebody who wants to especially push an institutional use case
or something that is a B2B-centric
product or DAP or app within
this ecosystem, I'd say Ankit
is probably one of your best
resources. Again, not to put you on the spot.
But, you know,
it's awesome to have you here and it's awesome
for folks to be able to hear your story
and what it is that you have built and are building.
And, yeah, sorry, sorry, please go ahead.
Yeah, happy to, you know,
happy to assist any ICP folks at any point of time.
So just hit me up at any point of time.
Very, very kind of you.
And yeah, once again,
I mentioned this in the previous iteration of today's spaces,
but I'll mention it again.
Feel free to DM folks who are up on stage here,
myself included,
if you have any questions about the World Computer Hacker League or about any work that we've done in the past.
But also, if you are either a little bit mic shy or you just have a burning question and want to ask it right away, please do feel free to click on the little purple speech bubble at the bottom right hand corner of the screen.
screen, leave a comment, like the spaces, or ask any questions that you might have.
Leave a comment, like the spaces or ask any questions that you might have.
Okay, we have a few other folks on stage that I want to make sure that we get to before
we close this one out, and we'll probably run it a couple minutes over.
I, unfortunately, will have to hop to a call, but Kat, maybe you can keep it running a few
minutes over, just because, again, we did get rugged and lose maybe like five or ten
minutes of today's conversation, unfortunately, but we'll find a way around it, and we'll
find a way to make it worth everybody's time. But at the same time,
we got 30 lovely people here today who are interested in building within the ICP ecosystem.
And before I pass it over to our next speaker, which I think BIP Quantum, if you're around and
available to chat, would love to pass it over to you. But yes, we're very excited to be promoting the
hacker league itself. And if anybody here is listening and inspired and wants to build
and be rewarded for building, I highly, highly encourage you to click the link that is pinned
to the top of the screen right now. You'll see still time to join, you know, arrow emoji,
now, you'll see still time to join, you know, arrow emoji, WCHL, click that link, head on
over, learn a little bit more about the tracks that exist and the opportunities that are
available for you.
You have access to over $300,000 in grant, prizes and funding, and a whole bunch more.
So very much encourage folks to check that out.
And with all that being said, we'd love to keep the conversation going with BIP Quantum.
Are you guys there?
Would you like to share a little bit more about your journey with ICT?
And yeah, what's on your mind today?
Thank you, David.
This is Sam.
I represent BIP Quantum.
I'm really happy to be here.
I had the chance to meet David during a Toronto event last time with Javier.
Oh, Sam, sorry, I'm making the connection. It's great to have you here. What a pleasure.
Thank you so much. I'm happy to be here. I proudly represent BIP Quantum.
So it's a project validated by ICP and proudly supported by Quantum Leap Lab and Javier, strong team. Guys, without sending any flowers, if you are looking
for serious collaboration and partnership and you believe in what you're doing, this is the right
place. So ICP Hub Canada and US are building a strong ecosystem, giving the ability to anyone
with or without specific knowledge on ICP, but open to learn to build a strong project.
So to put you in context, how many people here
have strong and huge idea, but struggle to protect them
and profit from them?
I'm pretty confident, a lot of you guys.
So since a couple of years, I dedicated 10 years of my life
to make Intellectual Property accessible,
a little bit more sexy and user-friendly.
And since two years, me and the strong team, we had the chance to work in BIP Quantum,
which is an AI LLM model trained in US copyright.
Again, like I hear a lot, like Diana said that, like I said, we use AI, it's a buzzword,
but we need to make it functional.
And I totally agree with that.
So this AI agent is able
to replace an intellectual property lawyer, except it's not costing you $570 an hour with all my
respect to lawyers. So you can chat with it. You can ask any question related to IP. So far, it's
trained in US copyright. So it's going to answer you how to build your pre-patenting, how to copyright
your music, how to certify your algorithm, all questions related to IP or licensing.
And the technology helps you not only for consultation, but also to mint your IP as
an NFT.
We use, of course, ICRC, which is the equivalent of classic NFT and other protocols.
And we listed in one of the first intellectual property marketplaces with specific licenses. And this is huge because we not only make it protected and profitable, but we help startup to raise money in phase two.
So you'll be able to fractionize your IP and raise money from it and the community will invest on it.
So please DM me, ask me any question related to ICP Hub or IP.
I'll be more than happy to support.
Really happy to be here, guys.
Let's go.
Appreciate you being here, Sam.
And another prolific builder within the ICP and ICP Hub's ecosystem.
Again, another amazing person for anybody to touch base with or ask questions to if
anybody wants to learn how to best take advantage of the resources and the
opportunities available within the ecosystem. Sam is a poster child, even though he is a very,
very handsome, very mature businessman, but he is still nonetheless a poster child, I think,
of what is possible, you know, to really, if you really take advantage and really, you know,
kind of push to, yeah, you know, capitalize on all the amazing resources that exist within this ecosystem, within the ICB
Hubs network. And yeah, you know, coming up on this World Computer Hacker League, you know,
which is only, I think, 12 or 13 days away, the, you know, the portal will close. So you have about
two weeks still to apply and to become a part of this ecosystem and to start, you know, taking advantage of these resources for yourself.
And again, I really can't recommend you doing this more. time and knowledge available and accessible to the community is really, you know, a testament to,
you know, how much this community has served them, how much this community has, you know,
created opportunity for folks. And yeah, you know, this is, you know, just more of a reason for you
to get excited about, you know, opportunities to build within the ICP and ICP Hubs, you know,
ecosystem and networks. So once again, I'm going to say this again, every like 5, 10, 15 minutes, head on over to the pinned tweet, click the link, learn more. And again, there's
something for everybody. So whether you're an NFT artist who wants to build some kind of, you know,
new generative, you know, practice, or whether you're somebody who, you know, again, has a really
institutional use case, and then you should probably be DMing on Keith, you know, there is something for you, and we would love to see what you build.
So, again, just very much encouraging folks to participate.
And also, while we're here in this space, do feel free to ask any questions that you
might have.
We're here for you now and after the fact.
These accounts are monitored all the time, so feel free to, if you don't want to take
my word for it, you can also just directly message the ICP Hubs Canada and US account.
We'll DM you directly from there.
Very, very happy to answer questions that you guys might have.
So I see we have a couple more people who are with us on stage.
And again, I want to make sure that we try to get to everybody who is here.
Carbon Sustain.
I see you up next.
And I also see Dissonance.
And Ellie, Eli, I believe we have
at least the three of you that I want to make sure that we get to before we close this one out.
And then again, just one more shout out. If anybody has any questions or has something that
they would like to build that maybe you want to get some quick feedback on from some builders and
some leaders in the space who we have here on stage with us, please feel free to do so. Raise your hand. We'd love to get you up here on stage.
So the folks at Carbon Sustain would love to pass it to you and learn a little bit more about what you're building
within the ICP ecosystem. Over to you.
Hey, David. Thanks so much. Thanks for having us. And Javi, I really appreciate the invite.
It was great to be able to host an ICP event
on campus. I was the founder of the Haas Blockchain Club along with Ancha Jain. So thanks, Ancha.
It's awesome to hear your pitch and the great success you're having with SatSurance,
building Bitcoin insurance over there, smart contracts, super smart guys. So here at Carbon
Sustain, this is after founding the Haas Blockchain Club and getting very good connections over with ETH Denver, which we have an exciting update about.
We actually were able to win third prize for ICP, only possible on ICP at ETH Denver, which is the world's biggest build-a-thon.
at Youth Denver, which is the world's biggest build-a-thon. That was earlier this year.
That was earlier this year.
At Carbon Sustain, our one-liners, we're the AI TurboTax for carbon emission accounting. So we're
adopting all of the latest and greatest Web3 technologies, including ICP with canisters,
to transparently slash the costs and complexities of carbon emission accounting through AI and Web3.
And we are also the XRPL ecosystem partner.
So on their map, you can find Carbon Sustain as one of the very few ESG Web3 companies out there.
We're excited to continue our build.
So at East Denver, we were able to build our first DAO. It's a mini DAO.
It's nothing like Orange DAO or some of the larger projects out there. But what it did allow
and continues to allow is the ability for carbon sustain to implement a real-time challenge.
And as we're focused on helping companies reduce their carbon emissions, particularly with Scope 3, becomes complex and includes employees, includes public.
So as an example, we've been hired by UC Berkeley for the second time.
And that's where Anshad and I met on campus while we were earning our MBAs, which we both successfully completed.
completed. And UC Berkeley Haas was our first customer, and they hired us to figure out the
carbon emissions of all of their events on campus for the 2023 year, because UC Berkeley became
the first major, one of the first major campuses to measure the carbon emissions. And then when
we talk about scope three, we start talking about the supply chain, the value chain, and it becomes a very complex task. So we're excited that the project that we built on ICP, which enables real-time challenges,
so you can imagine we're going to implement a challenge at UC Berkeley to incentivize people biking to campus
and taking the most sustainable form of transportation.
Carbon Sustained continues to have great integration partners at the transportation level,
so we're having great data and AI to help to compute on those emissions.
So after doing the missions for Berkeley Haas, we were able to work with them a second time
to help them reduce the 100 million miles of commercial air travel. And that's where ICP
comes into play. And we're going to expand on the SNS DAO.
So we're looking to implement proof of UC Berkeley attendance, club attendance. I was originally a blockchain at Berkeley, and I was surprised that nothing was on chain to prove that that very difficult, like a low probability hit actually goes through.
And both Anshin and I are members.
I'm an alum, and he's a current member
of Skydeck. And so all of these sort of proofs of attendance, even at a UC Berkeley class,
we're looking to do all of that on ICP to then incentivize the entire campus-wide initiative
to help reduce the 100 million miles of travel. It's more carbon emission than all of
the buildings on campus, which is relatively astounding. And so at Carbon Sustain, we have
great ideas for dashboards and leaderboards to help to incentivize the campus to reduce their
carbon emissions through this SNS DAO that we're building in collaboration with ICP,
and we're accelerating it through the hackathons and especially the in-person one coming up next
week. We also wanted to announce that Carbon Sustain has become the official carbon accounting
intelligence partner for the upcoming East Denver. So that's 2026 year, and we would love to continue
to partner with ICP.
We're going to have a great marketing opportunity with our logo shown all across the East Denver stage. We'll have a speaking opportunity booth and real-time dashboards running on ICP, showing people's real-time footprint.
And we'll give people the ability to offset their entire East Denver footprint with a click of a button. Oh, I love that. Like something easy, quick, and simple for them to
be more sustainable. 100%. Yeah. Love to chat more on it. And thank you so much for having
Carbon Sustain. And that's kind of like our best marketing opportunity that we've had at this point.
And that's kind of like our best marketing opportunity that we've had at this point.
And because of this DAO that we're already talking about at Berkeley, I'm also running for head of sustainability of SPORC DAO.
And thanks to ICP, I have enough SPORC, which you cannot buy, because we got third place at the only possible on ICP event where we launched our mini DAO, which we continue to do with the challenges. I can now run for head of sustainability. And then we bridge our DAO not only from Berkeley, but then the Berkeley
and East Denver communities. And then it starts to bridge out from there. So I would love to chat
more. Yeah, actually, I would love to chat more. Like I'm really passionate about sustainability
and all the stuff that you're doing. And yeah, like, thank you for sharing all of that.
It's great to see
like ICP support some of these initiatives. I actually didn't know, like, that you guys were
doing that, which maybe I should have and I shouldn't have been to that. But so that's really
cool. And that's exciting. I guess maybe like a question, I know we're kind of near the end of it,
I can go on for a little bit longer, because know go for it go for it I want to make
sure we pass it to dissonance but um yeah and and I think Eli but yeah go for it happy to happy to
do a couple questions yeah like I mean I guess something like a question for for everyone as
well too if they'd answer like if they'd like to answer like you know it doesn't matter if you're
technical or or not but is was there like a moment for you guys or a project that made you kind of say
like, wow, this is the future or like, this is really neat and I want to keep building or like,
this is why I'm in Web3 or, you know, that's why I'm working on this project and entering this
hackathon. Yeah, anyone can answer. Feel free to just kind of jump in or raise your hand. And
yeah. Diana? I'll give you a fun one so when i went to dev connect in istanbul i think
it was two years ago now i met this girl her name's winnie and many many of you maybe know her
and she gave me this nail and it was her very first prototype kat knows what i'm talking about
and it was a nail with a microchip in it and the idea is so simple you can take any set of like
press-on plastic nails for women and you insert the microchip.
And then when you tap that nail to the phone, you get an app that pops up.
And in it, you can put all of your links.
So like LinkedIn, X, Instagram, whatever it is to connect with people.
And I thought, wow, this is so cool because this is an everyday product that people use.
This is something that already has a consumer audience that would be interested.
And this is actually on the blockchain.
This is crypto.
So I thought that this was the first really cool application that I saw.
And then the second one was when I started using Lens Protocol for social media, instead
of being on Instagram only, quickly I realized that I can actually put
my posts up for Mint and I own my own content. And I even started getting tips paid out in
different tokens on the platform via Orb Club. And I was like, wow, this is the future. And what was
really cool is that as a Web3 social media newbie, which was, I think I started posting last August,
As a Web3 social media newbie, which was, I think I started posting last August, I checked
today, I've got 27,200 followers on Lens, which is crazy because I've been on Instagram
since 2012 and I've got like barely 15K and like half of them are probably bots.
So I think that the future is already here and there are so many great everyday applications
that just need more people to know about.
Okay, absolutely love that example.
Chipped, shout out to Winnie.
She's building some incredible things and been shipping for so long.
And Lens as well, too.
Like, all those are absolutely amazing.
And I love how they're kind of going more closer to like consumer facing like products as well, too.
Like, I guess, yeah, that's that's something that like with Web3 that, you know, things that there's so many amazing things are being built.
But there's so many things that like we want to use and get using.
So I would personally love to see it go in that direction a bit more.
What about you guys?
Anshit, Sam, Alana.
Was there like a wow moment?
Not to,
not to interrupt the quote.
Cause I actually love this conversation and I think we,
I want to keep it going for a few more minutes,
but I just want to just chime in and just make sure I have to hop in about
four minutes cause I have to run another call.
But,
I just want to make sure Kat,
just a table that we,
that we,
make sure we have at least a couple minutes for,
dissonance and Eli since they've been hanging out super,
patiently, uh, throughout the spaces, but don't, don't stop. Please keep going. a couple minutes for Dissonance and Eli since they've been hanging out super patiently throughout
the spaces. But don't stop. Please keep going. I don't want to interrupt the flow. I love this
conversation. Also, Diana, shout out Winnie. Shout out Lens. And for the last conversation as well,
shout out Berkeley. Shout out Cow. Go Bears. My sister went there. So I'm loving this conversation
on a number of different levels this is excellent
please continue but also
thank you everybody for being here as well
and make sure to click the link
and all of those things
I'll pass it back to you
in a couple minutes but so much love
to everybody and appreciate everybody who
was and in Anki's words
which I love super resilient in today's
spaces and you know stuck with us through thick and thin and ins and outs and rugs and all of the above.
So, anyway, much love.
And I'm here.
I'll probably still be physically.
You're amazing, David.
Okay, can we, like, give up, like, can we do, like, heart emojis for David?
Because today, this space, honestly, was absolutely insane.
And he's crushing it.
And he's just an amazing speaker.
Don't make me blush.
I appreciate you.
It's honestly a pleasure.
And I always say it, but working with amazing people like Kat and Javi and, you know, the folks within this ecosystem just make this, you know, even in the most difficult moments, it makes it easy.
So pleasure to be here.
Thank you all.
And, again, let's go back to that conversation, Kat. I hope I didn't wreck your flow no no no no you're just bringing it
back goodbye and also don't forget uh our lovely friends dissonance and Eli and Eli yes
yeah thank you so much David David is super awesome it was a little rough today, but appreciate everyone joining. I want to get to Eli and dissonance.
Let's start with Eli.
Like, I would love to hear about what you do, what you're building.
And yeah, take stage.
Cool. Awesome. Yeah.
Thanks so much for the introduction.
And shout out again, Javier as well for bringing me on here.
Just a little bit of background right now. I'm actually a student as well.
I'm studying at Purdue University. I'm the president of our blockchain club,
Border Blockchain. So we have a number of different initiatives, including developers,
research, finance side, education, really all the above.
So it's an incredible kind of way to break into the
industry before, you know, you work on the professional side of things. And so more recently,
I'm working now actually with Red Beard Ventures, where we're an early stage VC. And, you know,
Javi and I have talked a bunch, so I'm trying to help out more on the student initiative and kind
of taking like the student routes and, you know, the whole hackathon um i think like um you know we've been talking a lot about carbon emissions
but i really think that like um the real narrative uh more recently is like crypto's driving less
from like speculation and more to like predictive reasoning meaning like there's going to be more
and more like real use cases and you see's going to be more and more like real use
cases and you see that with like tokenization and stable coins uh but from a large scale perspective
like um i am really bullish on the hackathon and the whole and the whole campaign we're doing with
um icp at the moment just because it's like a real use case from from a blockchain that can
really encompass everything um and so if if any builders are out there,
students, non-students, feel free to reach out.
I'm a technical dev myself,
so I'm happy to help out on that side,
but I also have an incredible network.
So happy to help on the BD, on the research,
integration, whether you're on EVM, Solana, MoveVM,
any of those, happy to help you guys transition over to the ICP network.
And yeah, that's a little bit of background.
Awesome.
Thank you so much for sharing that.
So, Dissonance as well, would you like to share a little bit about what you're doing and what you're working on?
Yeah, sure. Hi, everyone. Thanks for having me.
So my name is Tongui. I'm also known as Salarius on the Internet Computer Forum.
So, yeah, I've started building Dissonance like probably a year and a half ago.
And Dissonance is something quite new and unique out there.
It's basically a consensus market.
So maybe you know other platforms like Polymarket, which
is more about time-bound events where you can bet basically
on the outcome of sports events or politics events.
And what we're trying to do with this announce
is a bit similar but also different in a way
that with this announce, we want to be able to vote on the,
I mean, to find a consensus on events which are not time-bounded um for example some
example i like to give is just like you know like questions like okay did covid dig from a lab um
it can can apply to a lot of different topics like also nutrition or history science whatever
but the idea is that with dissonance um you can vote on topics which are not time-bounded.
So how it works?
It's kind of a mix, actually, of prediction markets
and lending protocol like Aave.
And the way it works is basically you're
going to lock USDT on a market, on a topic.
And you're going to get this USDT back after a duration,
a period of time, which is controlled by the protocol.
And basically, depending on how you score,
basically how your vote align
with the current consensus at the end of your lock,
you're going to get an APY that's going to vary.
And basically, what you're trying to do
is to maximize your APY.
And to do this, this announce just
has this kind of proof of concept, which is it takes the descent of your vote
at the beginning of the vote and the consent
at the end of the duration of the lock.
And that's how it's going to maximize your API.
So the goal of dissonance is to incentivize people
to participate into shaping a consensus so that they kind of predict
all right in the future.
And that's what Dissonance is trying to do.
And I'd be happy to talk more about it.
And I invite you to go on disnance.xyz.
The landing page is quite up to date.
We also have a beta,
but it uses fake tokens so far.
And we also have a documentation,
which is not totally up to date.
I'm working on it.
But if you have more questions,
don't hesitate and contact me.
Amazing.
Thank you so much for sharing that
and what you're building like the poly market space
is definitely super hot um so lots of exciting opportunities there if you have any questions
feel free to reach out to dissonance um and yeah i know we have a couple other speakers as well too
um omnity uh would love to hear more more about your network and what you guys are
working on and how you found ICP. Hey, thanks so much for having us. So Omniti is the result of a
sort of transitional migration. We were working on a different L1 and we were looking for
interoperability
solutions. And we found that we could run two light clients with a sort of lightweight database
on the IC. And it was our sort of last product in that other ecosystem, depending on the IC.
And we said, you know what, we really like this toolkit. Let's see what else we can do with it.
And we pivoted back to bitcoin so we are
basically bitcoin middleware on the ic we've got user facing applications like the first open source
runes dex we've got the omnity hub if you want to take your bitcoin runes to another chain
and thanks to the ic all that stuff is very easy to audit and very easy to manage, but we know that that's not really enough for the future of Bitcoin.
So we also offer an on-chain runes indexer.
We announced just the other day that our ordinals indexer is currently sort of in pre-production.
So it's on mainnet, but it's not available to the public for normal use yet.
And yeah, that's most of our journey is to find the IC just through solution engineering and deciding to commit to it as our main stack for Bitcoin tooling and interoperability as well.
That's awesome. Thank you so much for joining us. Great to hear more. And yeah, if anyone has any questions about Omniti, you know where to find them.
If anyone has any questions about Omniti,
you know where to find them.
I just want to jump in and say thank you to Sheldon.
Probably Omniti is top,
if not top one,
top three projects on the ICP ecosystem.
He's so humble and he doesn't want to share information or
the data about Omniti,
but these guys are really you know...
Oops, my bad. If you need more information about Omniti you might not get it.
There's a lot of documents out there and we're really excited to be there on the
15th for the launch of Caffeine so because Caffeine is not designed to
manage the full sort of capabilities of the Bitcoin subnet,
we're going to make sure that that middleware is available for y'all via Caffeine.
So even if you don't learn about Omni today, if you talk to Caffeine long enough
and you've got Bitcoin in your vocabulary, then Omni should be there too.
Amazing. Thank you so much.
I guess last but not least uh for the speakers a little introduction
there is dalhousie blockchain society um would love to hear more about what you guys are working
on uh and how you guys are connected with you all hear me here yeah we can hear you beauty sorry my
wi-fi is a little bit patchy here.
But yeah, thank you for having me.
I'm Asher. I'm the founder and president of Dalhousie Blockchain.
We are a Canadian university blockchain club up in Canada on the East Coast in Halifax.
So, you know, pretty far removed from everything.
But, you know, we're building stuff out here.
We're about, you know, just a year old, so pretty new.
And we're really focused on education.
That's kind of been a main stick for us is like we want to get the East Coast more involved in blockchain
and like let students learn at the pace they want to learn and learn about what they want
and just have some like financial literacy when it comes to crypto, you know, not think it's always a scam and like not know how to,
you know, research like the circle IPO or something that's really relevant to them and crypto involved so besides that we've been doing also a lot of like building
um which is kind of where we're venturing into icp um this kind of i thought coming up is really
going to be our first introduction to building a nice really you know diving into the ecosystem
which me personally and our devs are like really excited
about. Actually, this Friday, we're all getting together, having like a little in-person hacker
house and like taking a look at ICP and working together, which is going to be super fun.
So yeah, that's pretty much what Dalhousie is about is like really just education,
giving people the tools to dive into whatever they want to do crypto wise.
And yeah, that financial literacy to be able to
do it properly and not get rugged and like not get scammed and like feel confident in what they're
investing in. So yeah, yeah, happy to be here and happy to be joining the ICP.
That's amazing. Well, I want to kind of like, take it back to bigger, I guess, a question that
maybe everyone can answer. All of you guys are so knowledgeable
in so many different avenues. The Web3 space is so big. There's so many different sort of like
divisions. And now it's great having you guys all come together for ICB Hubs Canada and US.
But I always kind of get curious on a lot of like the whys and like your experiences on like why you
build and whatnot. So I know like Diana answered this first question, but I'd love to just, you know, maybe
to wrap up this space. I know we, you know, we kind of had a little rough start earlier today
with some, you know, getting rugged by Twitter. So we'll take an extra couple of minutes and maybe
wrap up with this last question. But what kind of projects are you guys hoping to see on chain this year?
Or was there a moment that you thought, like, okay, this is the future,
this is why I'm building in Web3 and on ICP?
When was that?
Sam, BigBipQuantum?
Yes, this is a great question, actually.
I think with caffeine, as we said earlier, Bip Quantum? Yes, this is a great question actually.
I think with caffeine, as we said earlier, it's a huge advancement so far.
So a lot of people like me would love to see more democratization for DAPP, decentralized
application development without any technical knowledge because I think future will be open
to everyone without a PhD or a lot
of knowledge to be able to innovate. Second level, what the mission I personally pushing today is
to use intellectual property as an elevator because a lot of people, they don't understand
the impact of IP. So, in it, in US only, they generate $6.3 trillion revenue in 2023, which is only about intellectual property, not business revenue.
I need to be clear about that.
So I would invite anyone here to think IP twice instead of thinking only about the concept or the execution of a project.
When you build anything, an algorithm, user interface, a UX, all this is an ip so think about it as an elevator which means when you innovate you
can impact and influence other project horizontally directly related to your business or indirectly
related to your business so ip is the future and i would love to see um a dow in in sns uh future
in icp giving the ability to any startup any innovator to not only generate an IP,
but licensing it and make it profitable around the world.
That's the ambition I have today.
Yes, I love that.
Honestly, that's so great because I've been thinking so much
actually about IP, but what you said there,
because IP has so much global power as well too.
There's certain tech projects, but there's also
health tech, transportation, governments, that sort of stuff. And like, how can that be implemented?
Definitely a very interesting topic. And yeah, I guess. Okay. Yeah. Anyone else want to answer
that question too? Maybe Omniti, I would love to hear from you or Carbon Sustain. I think that would be a really interesting perspective.
Dalhousie, Eli, feel free. Omniti? Yeah, I'll chime in briefly. I'll also
freely admit that we had a nice little event in Miami with Big Quantum not that long ago,
just a few months, but time flies. So I think that the landscape for IP and crypto can be a little bit insensitive to reality.
And in some ways, it's a little bit, I would say, hopium oriented.
But after chatting with Sam about the way that he is structuring the quantum, I'm relatively hopeful that it will make more sense.
relatively hopeful that it will make more sense. I think that there's a lot of these EVM based
applications or other applications in crypto that are sort of targeting in the future how they'll
use a legal structure to take a, you know, globalized blockchain and sort of convert that
down or reduce that down to something that works with IP and IP law. But I saw Sam's approach as
kind of the inverse where it's a little bit more
sensitive to what you actually need to get IP monetized successfully and to manage it.
And I think that that can be done on chain, but part of that has to be sensitive to the law,
because that's part of what manages the currency where users might be coming from.
And it's certainly part of the legal compliance about where the sort of nuggets or
value components of IP are stored. So I think the IC is a great candidate and a great host for,
you know, interesting products like BitQuantum. But BitQuantum to me is certainly the first around
here to take advantage of the tooling and do things in an interesting and viable way. So
I don't have a lot of questions for Sam because he had a really great presentation
in that event that we shared in Miami.
But at the same time, we've been keeping an eye on y'all.
So I just realized we're not following the account.
Fixed that.
It was falling for my personal.
And yeah, there's a lot of interesting things happening with IP.
And Omidy's vision is that we'll be there to supply Bitcoin tooling when Sam's ready.
Thank you so much.
Really appreciate it.
Amazing.
Well, if anyone else has any comments or questions or just wants to talk about IP or a favorite moment that they had before we wrap up.
Maybe Dalhousie, Eli, if you guys want to come up and speak.
But if not, we can also wrap it up.
Oh, I'm hearing things.
Yeah, sorry.
One thing that's kind of really got me excited about crypto and
always is something that i've wanted to see built was a um you know like a real interoperability
solution where it's like you don't need like a million chains and like you don't need like a
million different walls to get on every chain and like that's something that i just from day one in
crypto i was like wow i can't believe we don't have this and like five years later this stuff
we still don't really have like a an avid or like a perfect solution.
It's crazy to me.
So I'm always looking out for those and like interoperability is such a narrative in my head.
Yeah, I just wanted to throw that in.
That's something that we're always looking at over at Dalhousie.
I want to chime in on that just for a quick second after more than 10 years of the industry,
because I definitely sympathize with this perspective. I think you'll see it in layers. And I think that
if one person sort of abstracts all those layers, then you have too much risk bundled in one place.
Like, obviously, I have some bias because we're a middleware company. But I think the, you know,
the same way that handling stocks on Robinhood seems seamless is the same way that there is multiple entities under the hood for, let's say, Odin Fund or Liquidium, some of our bigger partners that build with us on the IC.
They don't know that what's making their wallets work in the background is critical tooling from the IC or from Omniti, but they just get that user experience up front. So I think we'll see that
gradually because there has to be these organizations that survive crypto market cycles
and sort of have their focus as one part of these things instead of being like a big bundle of risk
that has to sort of take it all on at once. That's true. And like security as well too,
right? Like the more chains you have, I mean, I don't know. I'm not, I'm more a consumer girly over like an infrastructure person,
but I feel like the more chains you have, the more multi-chain things become security,
just cybersecurity becomes a bit more complex and difficult. And so that is something that
maybe that compromises what its original technology was to begin with, but I'm not too sure. Carbon, I would love to carbon sustain.
I'm sorry, I can't remember what your first name is at the moment, but I would love to hear more
from you. I know you have your hand up. Also, I love sustainability. So yay. Okay, awesome. Yeah.
My name is Paul Brizik. And yeah, I'm one of the focus was sustainability
as I got my MBA just recently. And one of the companies we wanted to just mention as
one of our first sponsors for the East Denver, as Carbon Sustain is out there to do all the
measure of the emissions and then give people an ability to reduce their emissions with a click of a button. That ability is now possible thanks to technologies, including ICP, Web3 decentralized.
Our mission is to make carbon credits on-chain more accessible.
So one thing we wanted to mention is when we spoke with AirMine, which is dealing with
direct air capture, that's among the highest quality for carbon credits.
They're interested in seeing how they can get direct air capture credits on chain.
And so Carbon Sustained is more like a marketplace to connect consumers with these high quality carbon credits on chain.
And I just wanted to mention this because I think this is very recent.
And there's another partnership that I think this is very recent.
And there's another partnership that's worth mentioning is with Vera.
If we're familiar with sustainability, we'll quickly understand that Vera has been under a lot of scrutiny,
thanks to a Guardian article a couple of years ago that showed that more than 90 percent of Vera's afforestation credits,
which, you know, Vera is a world leader in this, and they've issued more than a billion credits.
It turned out they were phantom, which means they have no environmental impact at all.
And ironically, if you purchase a phantom carbon credit, you can actually have a net positive.
Like, there's actually carbon associated with that transaction.
So you can actually be hurting the environment in a sense. So the whole arena has been under, you know, and so a lot of companies are holding back and not purchasing it
until it gets cleaned up. So what has happened recently, just within the last few weeks,
is another blockchain, but like Hedera has been partnered with Avera. So I think a natural
partnership, what we're working on in Carbon Sustain
is carbon credits on chain.
So with ICP as essentially like building the backend
for the DAO to control these sustainable actions.
Wait, but how does that,
how would that differ if it was like off chain?
Like, is it more beneficial?
I'm just asking from like a curious not like a
challenging but like a curious like how does that work right like so there's on chain then we also
have like the okay you can get carbon credits you know that's already kind of being done in web too
so what how does that improving it how does it being on chain on ic ICP improve that, I guess?
I don't know.
My question is-
Sure, sure.
Okay.
But now I have to reference another prize that we won from Franklin Templeton, and we had
to convince them on this too.
So Franklin Templeton, there's this innovation.
Now they're called PFMUs and FMUs, so pre-purchase future mitigated unit and future mitigated unit. So the kind of the
leap of faith right now is when you go to Vera and you buy this carbon credit, it's, you know,
you're taking a leap of faith that that carbon credit was, you know, issued authentically. It
really did remove a metric ton of CO2E from the atmosphere. But it's at the end of sort of the
journey. So another way we are thinking
about this is that, and there's a company, Intrinsic Methods, they have a farm in Brazil.
That's what we're doing the pilot with. So they have pre-purchased future mitigated units. So you
buy some, you fund the project. Meanwhile, the data is verified with multiple levels of MRV,
including satellite, but then including IoT in the soil. So we're working with
another firm, which we cannot name, but they're utilizing IoT from soil level. So then we're
adding then hyperlocal data, weather data with a deep in decentralized physical infrastructure
networks, Nubilla, which is innovating there. So the point
is that we're adding all these additional MRV. And of course, there's also a human that comes
to the farm and does a checklist, traditional. And there's nothing that's preventing, we can
still be Vera. These credits can still go through Vera. They can still go through Pure Earth.
But if they go through this pre-purchase future mitigated process, this is now funding, let's say the trees, the farm and the acreage on the farmers to,
you know, tend to the soil and actually have these trees grow for, let's say, nine months
until they've done enough carbon sequestration such that the FMU, the actual carbon credit,
can be issued and at which point can be retired.
So it's like two different steps, but then everything is on chain, including satellite data, including all these sensors.
So then as a consumer, you present this carbon credit to the consumer with a confidence score.
I see.
And then is it saying like, oh, this suddenly is a magic bullet and suddenly and there's, you know, people suddenly are never going to cheat one another?
No, because that's going to continue to happen.
But right now, there's such a dearth of data that are that's presented to the end consumer that what we can do with blockchain is to dramatically increase the transparency.
And that's that's one thing ICP is
excellent at. And, you know, storing that data on ICP is going to be there.
So basically, like, yeah, transparency would be like the main thing. So like all the carbon
credits that are, you know, being given and spread out and during like, in like Web2
ecosystems, you know, we don't actually know if
that's going to where it should be um but now we can really confirm on chain okay yeah no i see that
that's that's really great um i know we are you know wrapping up almost a little bit 30 over
um today for the spaces so i just wanna um we haven't't heard from Eric Rose yet in a while.
And so I would love to hear about you.
I see you're up here as a speaker.
And then we'll maybe do like a quick little Q&A after, like last minute, you know, plugs,
shills, hugs and whatnot.
And then we'll, and then we'll wrap it up.
So Eric, I'd love to pass the mic to you.
I'd love to learn about what you do do what you're working on and your connection to icp yeah hey morning
everybody happy wednesday um i'm with the taco dow team i'm the front-end designer and developer
for taco dow uh and you guys asked uh what brought you to the Internet computer to build here. And that's one of my favorite things to talk about.
So I just wanted to jump in and say the reason why I'm here is because I think that DAOs specifically are an answer to a problem we've seen arise in software, which is software starts out really good for the end user.
software, which is software starts out really good for the end user, but once it captures
enough network effect and has enough people, they start to shift their priorities from
a good user experience and a product that's beneficial to the user to a product that's
beneficial to advertisers and stakeholders.
And there obviously needs to be a balance.
You know, any company needs, you know, money to run and needs revenue and stuff.
And so that's what, you know, advertising has done well for the web.
But there is just this pattern that's emerging where, you know, it happened with Reddit, right?
Reddit was an alternative to Dig because Dig started to move away from what its users wanted.
And everyone jumped onto Reddit.
And now we're seeing that problem with Reddit.
It happened to Facebook.
You know, if you remember when Facebook first came out, it was a linear feed of all the things your friend said. And then it was, you know,
nine things that your friend said in one ad. And then it was five things your friend said,
and then five ads. And then the linear feed went away altogether. And it was just a stream of influencers, advertisers, and maybe every once in a while, something that one of your friends said.
And we see this phenomenon, which I know this space is recorded and might be friendly,
you know, family friendly.
So cover your ears.
But Cory Doctorow came up with a term he called inshittification.
And that is this pattern that software goes from serving its users to serving a small
select few who stand to benefit from it.
And I think DAOs are a possible solution
to that because if Facebook was a DAO and the users decided how it ran and the changes that it
made, I don't think that the users would vote to see nine ads to every one thing that their
friend said. So to me, this is a really cool opportunity for us to come at software from a
different point of view. That's all I wanted to say.
Thank you for doing this space.
I'm really glad I followed you guys' account the other day because now I see when you do
spaces and I'll be jumping in more often.
Yeah, I hope everyone jumps in these spaces more often.
We're going to be having another one next week and hopefully more.
This is my first Twitter space with ICP and I've had a lot of fun learning more
about – I have seven companies to do some research on. And yeah, I've kind of been jumping
more into the technical side of things. This has been really fun for me. And I hope you guys all
join next week and we have more conversations, more builders. I want to see more developers,
more conversations, more builders.
I want to see more developers, more builders,
more vibe coders, more of everything on ICP.
So thank you everyone for joining
and we will see you next week.
And thank you, David.
Thank you, Javi.
I don't know if Javi, you have any last words?
Yeah, just like one minute.
I didn't want to say like, thank you everyone for joining.
It's, you know, like I'm so glad to see all this talent together in a space and it's really awesome. And then just like mentioned everyone about this World Computer Hacker League.
if you're working with Bitcoin, Ethereum solutions, any kind of industry, have the space, have the room to build on ICP.
This is an initiative supported for sure by the Definity Foundation, a major contributor to Internet Computer Protocol.
ICP have network, all the DevRels, the community, and it's really impressive.
You will have, of course, unparalleled support from our dev rails,
global network. Again, this hackathon is worldwide. More than 20 countries are involved in Asia,
Africa, Europe, South America, North America. Long-term opportunities, of course, acceleration
through our venture studio, Quantum Leap Labs, grants, investor introductions, as well as MVCs
here, like Jump, a few of them, showcasing
your work to get more communities, beta testers, and more people.
And again, we have different tracks, AI, Bitcoin DeFi, on-chain, real world assets, and then
open track if you're building something that is not in these tracks.
And this is a four-month initiative divided in different rounds, qualification round,
national round, regional round, and global final.
I think it's a really good opportunity for everyone.
And then, yeah, that's it from my side.
We will see you again next week with the same people
and other projects as well, but super excited.
And again, thank you, Kat, David, Cash Labs,
and all the people that make this happen together,
and for sure all the community from ICP.
Super excited to see what you're building, guys.
Thank you, everyone.
See you next week.
Bye.
Bye.
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See you.
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