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I’m bored of discussing crypto🎙️+ Moving speech from @Brawlerreal
Recorded: April 16, 2025 Duration: 1:44:52Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, crypto enthusiasts expressed a growing sense of boredom and fatigue with repetitive topics in the industry, highlighting a trend towards seeking deeper, more meaningful conversations. Participants emphasized the importance of self-awareness, personal growth, and the potential for cryptocurrency to create positive societal change, while also acknowledging the need for innovation and fresh ideas to reinvigorate the community.
Full Transcription
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Yeah, I don't want to talk about crypto anymore.
It's getting boring.
It's getting stale.
It's getting repetitive.
No, I'm just kidding.
I'm always going to talk about crypto.
That's the way I felt yesterday, if I'm not completely honest.
That's the way I felt yesterday when we were setting the title. It does seem that a lot of the conversations, and we've been doing this for hosting the show specifically,
And we've been doing this for hosting the show specifically.
Moby is coming up on whale coin talk and then Moby obviously coming up on its
fourth birthday, but the show is,
the show will be coming up on its, well, wait a minute.
I guess third birthday.
The math is wrong somewhere here.
I'm doing the math wrong somewhere but anyway um we've been doing this for two and a half years in terms of the show
and i feel like every single topic under the sun we've covered from defy to nfts to gaming, to RWAs, back again. It almost feels like very little progress has been made.
Very little progress in terms of actual tangible innovation,
stuff that makes a change in people's lives.
Product market fit seems to be exclusively only a product market fit seems to
exclusively um you know be a result of bitcoin and stable coins and you know defy you can make
arguments for and against i suppose um but yeah, man, I just feel like, and not just my
spaces. I mean, if I hop onto the crypto town hall or DeMario, not follows the round table,
the conversations, it just feels like we're talking about the same stuff over and over again. And even if it's, even if it's like the latest rug, like OM,
before OM, there was, there was Libra, and before Libra, there was this and that. And it almost
feels like even the, even the breaking news is just a derivative of a hundred other breaking news stories that have come and gone over the past
several years. So I guess the question is, when is this stuff going to stop?
I'm bored of talking about crypto. I really am. I really am. And if someone else brings up a subject
involving anything other than crypto, I immediately perk up and I have a lot to say.
But I feel like I've said almost everything I possibly can in regard to crypto.
And Dave Weisberger will be here, but he mentioned to me yesterday in DMs that it's when everyone is making statements like mine,
that they're bored of crypto or crypto.
I'm not saying crypto is dead.
I'm saying it's kind of boring.
He says that's when things are going to start getting bullish.
But even if things get bullish, right, even if number goes up,
I just, are we going to talk about the next meme or the next, I don't know.
What do you think think Prometheus?
I saw your hand up.
We got him boys.
Pump the markets.
Or Michael, I don't know whose hand was up.
Michael, what do you, I mean, are you, are you guys,
are you guys still interested in talking about crypto?
It feels like the conversation hasn't had repetitive.
Hey guys, can you hear me?
In a while.
Everyone's doing the same narrative the same pushes and that's basically the bear market for you you know there's
there's not a lot of innovation there's a lot of investments and stuff but but you see deals and
all these things but during that time uh there's not a lot of actual core building i think that
for like l1s and stuff like that same thing you know there's like 50 of of actual core building. I think that for L1s and stuff like that, same thing.
There's like 50 of them.
Each one of them pushing on their own little narrative each time and stuff.
But yeah, crypto gets boring after a while.
We just wait until the cycle restarts again.
And then you'll see the froth come in.
And it'll be fun for a little bit
yeah but the froth the froth did come in we had it for a lot of 2024 um it just didn't come into
the areas that people wanted it to still walking home so my audio is uh not great but i have to i
really want to convince you otherwise in this talk. I'll be home in 10 minutes.
I'm going to ask you to re-invite me to the chat then.
But I'll just say, look, I think one thing that I kind of miss, and this is part of the story of Bitcoin as well,
like there was a bit of a separation that happened between like Bitcoin and everything else.
And I do miss some of the more philosophical discussions around crypto and like the larger impact on our society and civilization.
Those are conversations I can have all day.
And in that sense, I kind of align a little bit more with the Bitcoiners in that way too.
Yeah, look, I think I'm happy to hear what you have to say, Justin, when you get home.
And I'm sure you can change my mind. I used to be really excited about putting on the show and getting panel guests and coming up with a topic.
It just seems like there's only so much to talk about.
And Michael says, well, know next bull it'll change and sure i
think i think it's always more exciting to have conversations when numbers going up but the
at its core that's when the liquidity comes back in right and that's when you'll start seeing
newer narratives pop up like we haven't really had a structure like RWA kind of like narrative and push. The NFT wave was cut short pretty quickly.
The gaming wave was super, you know, I mean, you had like three, basically like three or four gaming companies.
And then after that, it's like, you know, the rest of the market was just, you know, thousands of new games kind of flood in.
But there wasn't something that actually broke out.
So there wasn't a lot to talk about on the gaming side.
DeFi went into overcapitulation mode
to where it was basically every freaking token
would just continually go down for the DeFi narrative,
even though the yields and stuff like that
in terms of inflation are still there.
But you can chase 1,000% APYs, but then, you know,
the core token starts rugging and stuff.
You had developers leave, right?
Andre, Andre from Sonic, right?
Previously Phantom, like even he left Twitter
for a little bit.
Like I'm gonna somewhat agree with you
and disagree with you here because look, everything
that's happened in crypto I've seen before.
I've been in crypto full time for over 12 years now.
There hasn't been any significant innovation in terms of use cases since 2017 when we first
figured out programmability on Ethereum.
So for me, I think, look, and I'm not excited about entities. I'm not excited about memes.
I'm not excited about gay folk.
All that stuff bores me to death, honestly.
The thing that keeps me going is, you know, the raising debtor of the crypto movement.
And the way I keep myself occupied is kind of fighting these little civil wars over which
direction we're going into over things like scalability and governance.
Those are things that I find stimulating and interesting.
I mean, look, as someone who's been in the game
for 12 years, yeah, all the other stuff,
all the other stuff's boring as hell to me.
And it's just repeating, repeating cycles over and over.
Just, yeah, I've seen it before.
Sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, I feel like the same narratives
kind of pop up once in a while.
It'll be basically scalability, governance, privacy, and then afterwards, fungibility.
But those are legit narratives, though, right?
Like, that's actually interesting stuff, I would say.
Yeah, no, no.
What I'm saying is, like, each, you know, it pops up once in a while.
it pops up once in a while.
Like right now we're starting to see Ethereum and try to push back into like
Like, right now, we're starting to see Ethereum trying to push back into, like, privacy.
privacy.
And it's,
you know,
it's,
it's,
that's going to be their revival narrative,
in terms of what they're looking at for like their roadmap and stuff.
But the majority of the stuff is,
I mean,
I know where,
where Noah's coming from.
If you've been around for like at least a cycle or two,
it feels like it's repeating.
It's because we haven't,
we haven't fully fleshed out the topics.
And as new participants come in,
sometimes they just need to be educated
in terms of like, okay, what's privacy,
why they should self-custody,
why they should make sure that
they're not placing all of their capital onto exchanges,
why Bitcoin is important,
why Ethereum is important why ethereum
is looking at trying to create the you know the virtual machine um but i i feel like after a while
it it starts to blend in in terms of there's no new use cases that are being pushed out right now
that's actually exciting like there's nothing that's like holy crap like i will throw money into this uh whether it's on the token side or even like an idea side in terms of
anything that's maybe like uh i just want to chime in here a little bit uh because i think noah you
asked a really important question and i think this is a very deep question. All right. What actually gets
your blood going? What actually gets you excited to get out of bed and do stuff? You know, one of
the most amazing mentors of a lifetime privilege I've had is Elon Musk, because I've had over a
hundred hours of conversation with him. And one of the things that he talks about is making,
you know, life interplanetary, okay?
It's not about making cars and rockets, okay?
Those are the expressions of a deeper mission.
And the deeper mission is to take consciousness to the stars, you know?
And I think that's something that's been missing in our space for quite some time.
Noah, I'm glad, brother, that you actually had
the self-awareness and the wherewithal to recognize,
you know what, this isn't quite doing it for me.
And so I hope I can encourage you guys
with a mission that I'm on personally,
you don't necessarily have to be a part of this,
but just to think in these sorts of terms
because this is more existential, because here's the thing. If you're focused, because crypto is a existential because here's the thing if you're
focused because crypto is a tool it's like a hammer all right you can't always be talking about a
hammer all right you need to be talking about the mission for which you're using the hammer
oh i'm excited to build a house okay i'm excited excited to end homelessness i I'm excited to create independent economies free from the fucking
Fed and the whole shebang of TradFi that's been choking human potential for God knows
how long. It has to be rooted in that. Otherwise, there's always going to be new tools. Oh,
NFT this, ordinals that. Who gives a damn about a fucking tool
if you don't have your existential bearings? And so for me, and this is again an invitation,
right? I challenge everyone here to go deeper with the message that the Lord Jesus Christ gave us,
because I truly believe that all the signs before his return, it's here.
All right?
We might literally see.
I don't want to get, Prometheus, I don't want to get too off the topic,
even though the conversation is I'm bored of discussing crypto,
so it's ironic that I'm now asking you not to go too far off the rails.
But look, I want you to finish your thought. Um, and then I'll
circle back. No worries, bro. Look, I don't want to, I don't, I'm not coming up here to give you
guys a sermon. All right. Uh, what I am trying to say is that, you know, we are existential beings
first and foremost. Okay. And so we need to have existential moorings. Okay. That give us meaning in our lives. It's
wonderful that we've created this community, this technology, these things that we're working for.
It's wonderful when, you know, new innovation comes along and all these things, but what's
your vision? Okay. You know, as it says in the gospel, without a vision, man perishes. And so,
you know, each one of us needs to have our own compelling visions. I'll share
with you guys one of mine. I want to see absolute poverty completely gone in our lifetimes, like
done with. I want children in the future to go to a museum as Muhammad Yunus, who's the prime
minister of Bangladesh and a family friend.
And I'm a national of Bangladesh and Britain, a child of two worlds, if you will.
But, you know, he said this in one of his remarkable statements,
and he's a Nobel Prize winner for peace.
You know, he said this, that, look, one day I want to see poverty in a museum
and I want people to walk by and think,
how could humans ever have allowed themselves
to live in such squalid conditions?
And I'm telling you folks, we can do it.
Leveraging this economy
and the existing technology in general, okay?
I'm talking farming through to building cool tech, whatever.
We have the knowledge, we have the technical tools.
What we're missing is the leadership
and we're missing the community that has made this
a like a mission.
So yeah, with that, I'll end my thought
and thanks for having me.
Oh my God.
Oh my God, thank you.
Human emotional greed.
Thank you so much for that Prometheus. Can I just I'll keep it short and then I'm going to switch mics, but thank you so much because this is what I was touching on as well. Like all this BS, all this like financial shit and all this, like, you know, all the scams and all the greed and all that. That's, that's not something that motivates me. That's something that I find disgusting and distasteful for a large part. Like what motivates me is that raison d'etre, exactly as Prometheus said it. What matters is
the larger existential meaning behind what we do. So it would be an interesting discussion,
is maybe like flip the table and like, yeah, what can cryptocurrency actually do? We can replace,
we can disempower all of the power of the state.
We can create a world that is more prosperous.
We can create a world that is more free.
We can have censorship resistance.
History is no longer written by the victors.
These ideas are powerful.
These ideas are inspirational. And I think this is one of the things the Bitcoiners get right,
is they talk more about these things.
And I think Solana people and Ethereum people should talk more about these things too, because they matter. It's actually what really matters
to human beings. I'm going to switch mics now and just make sure if you could invite me back.
Noah, thank you. I wanted to touch on that one. So having it to where we always think of sunshines
and rainbows in terms of what we could do for the world, especially with like Bitcoin and everything.
But I think once a bad actor is introduced into the regime, that the narrative automatically changes.
If you look at trying to solve poverty, I think that there is going to be a human emotion of potentially someone with greed that is going to capitalize on that.
human emotion of potentially someone with greed that is going to capitalize on that um if you
have it to where look we no longer need states we no longer need governments uh we will be then ran
by warlords because whoever's going to have the power in terms of the you know basically the
weapons is most likely going to be able to control everything that's going to be there if you look at
the us right now we can technically already have it to where we don't even need
fiat.
But the thing is like, what is the dollar backed by?
It's backed by war.
It's backed by blood oil and constant fighting.
So a lot of these countries are trying to avoid a conflict.
Now, if there's, you know, everyone, let's say, let's say everyone adopts Bitcoin as
the global standard, as the, you know, the barter and trade system, right? The universal way to
transact. Yes, there could, there could still be ways to make it to where it's less mitigated in
each area, because now everything's going to be public, everything's going to be on chain and
stuff. But there's other things that you can potentially not buy, even though it's less mitigated in each area because now everything's going to be public everything's going to be on chain and stuff but there's other things that you can potentially not
buy even though it's on a fiat term or on a bitcoin term and it's going to be trust or it's
going to be you know someone's family member that will never sell out and they'll ride or die with
you right so you have those governments that are going to be able to run those operations. And I always look at it in terms of the, what if shit hits the fan type of thing?
Worse of the worst, what's going to happen?
What if there's no electricity in the world, right?
Everyone's fighting each other and basically World War III is fought with sticks and stones,
not guns and wars, right?
I think that looking optimistic into the future
is always a positive thing.
But still having a backup plan of the what if,
and at least thinking about it, you
don't have to act on it because it could potentially not
play out that way.
But I'd rather have a plan B than to not have a plan B and something happened.
Sorry if that was grim.
No, it's not grim.
Just look at the world.
My button is busted.
So please guys, retweet the space.
By the way, if you're listening,
you're enjoying,
please, please retweet the space.
Let's get some more people in here and talk about how much we are bored with discussing crypto or not bored.
I think some of the guys up here are already giving me some perspective into what there is to be excited about.
Prometheus, go for it.
And then I want to toss it over to Gary.
Amen, bro. First and foremost, I want you guys to all take a moment, either during this space or
afterwards, by yourself, okay, with a pen and paper and ask yourself some questions.
Number one, what do I love to do?
Okay, it's so important.
You get clear with yourself what you love to do and why you love to do it, okay?
Because that's what's going to paint your vision. It's going to your
loves what natural like for example, for Donald Trump, it was, you know, building skyscrapers and
building, you know, building things, okay, he enjoyed that process. And that's why he became
a real estate mogul, you know, he would go and, you know, shake the hands of all the people who
were working on his projects, ask, you know, get to know people's families, really get to know his world
because he was genuinely interested in building cool stuff.
In my case, I love to build things.
So right now I'm building crypto real estate play here.
And I'm also, I love the Lord Jesus.
Okay, I truly believe he saved us from eternal torment.
If you study near-death experiences of people who've been to both heaven and hell,
they describe on the, you know, OBE or out-of-body experience or near-death experience,
you know, that both seem to exist.
And it seems to me,
having studied both neuroscience and quantum physics, that the soul or the I am presence,
your I am presence that's listening to my voice right now, it survives bodily death,
which means that there is an eternity, folks. And, you know, the question is, where will you
be spending that eternity? Something to meditate on. But more deeply, you know, like, look at what we have as a generation that our
forefathers never had. Our forefathers never had the potential to connect like this across the
globe and actually work on shit together and get stuff done at a level that, you know, was just
only, you know, people could only dream up.
The problem is we've all become these little silos of ego that are all going after their
own bags and, you know, like you're not willing to cooperate or get behind a bigger mission.
And my goal, at least in my lifetime, is to get rid of those artificial differences that divide us, whether
that's nationality, race, income bracket, none of that stuff matters ultimately. Okay. What matters
is what kind of a human being are you, you know, and if you do believe in God, like I do, when you
stand before the most high, what will be your testimony of how it is you lived your life? Did
you just live it for yourself, right? Selfishly
acquiring like a fucking cancer cell like most of these stratfi c-u-n-t's are, okay, like, you know,
like another BlackRock or whatever, like, you know, siphoning all the world's wealth unto yourself
regardless of the consequences. Is that going to be your, or are you going to be a team player and
actually have made a difference in people's lives
and watch you know I don't know families come out of poverty permanently solve a problem in the
environment permanently become a node for the living God permanently you know like these kinds
of potentials exist within us you know what symphonies exist inside of you what paintings
what stories these are the things
you need to get in touch with and that requires a sensitivity of one's own self-awareness.
That's why you'll notice that some of the most successful people in the world are also some,
and we're talking people who weren't born into wealth, are also some of the most self-aware
people in the world. So that's my invitation to everyone here is to go
on a journey of self-awareness. Ask yourself in a simple one piece of paper, what really matters
to me and why? And what am I willing to do about it? Not make excuses, not wish somebody else could
give you this or that, okay? Realize that you are empowered enough, okay? The fact that you are empowered enough okay the fact that you exist okay is 43 trillion to one
right think of all the sperm cells that could have not been you all right and here you are
bored with crypto and and see see what it is that you can do with this precious gift of a
life that you have and I'll land it there.
I have a question. You said about the near-death experience side, like spirituality. I think you were trying to touch on spirituality, right? Because if you just check charts all day and just trying to research crypto all day long, it's going to start becoming like a tedious task.
It has to be something of like, okay, why are you in crypto?
And then afterwards, like, how is it going to benefit you, benefit your family, or benefit
whichever?
One of my mentors told me that in order to actually save people, right, if someone's
drowning in the ocean, how do you actually save them?
Well, you got to get a boat.
So you got to make sure that you, you know, you yourself is situated in order to throw the life raft.
If not, you guys are both going to drown at the same time.
So not having it to where it's like the Tradify guys, where it's like, hey, I want to acquire as much wealth as I can for, you know, for no reason.
But I also think that, what is it called?
Like effective,
uh, altruism, right. Where you're trying to create the most to help the most amount of people.
Uh, I don't fit into that philosophy. The reason why is because once again, I look at the world
in two lens one is going to be the bad side and one is going to be the good side and it's like
in two lens, one is going to be the bad side and one is going to be the good side. And it's like,
why am i going to empower people of course i'm going to be a judge right i'm going to judge
people uh it's it's basically us as human beings we're able to judge people we feel like they're
bad people or we feel like they're good people why would i help people that i potentially think
are going to even hurt others as well um Instead of empowering the ones that actually do need help.
But at times, it's like a philosophical thing of like,
hey, if baby Hitler was born, would you give them,
would you allow that child to live?
It goes back to like that philosophy side.
Me, personally, it's a kid.
I would definitely help them.
I don't care how they're going to turn out as a human being later on
because that's not my job.
I also studied ethics.
I would not kill baby Hitler.
So I'm in agreement with the Christians in the room on that one
at least as well.
Sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, I wouldn't kill a Hitler.
I would make sure that this kid is however they turn out
is however they turn out.
That's not my responsibility i'm
you know i'm not their father right um but i feel like helping as many people as you can if you feel
like you are in the position to is a good it's a good feeling um and at the end of the day let's
say if i go to hell or go to heaven whichever hopefully the whatever's there there is going to see if your spirituality and stuff, whether it's whatever religion you are into and stuff, how you feel like you want to live your life.
I suppose at the very core, I suppose if I think about what really motivates me is anything I do in crypto is so abstract.
It can be like 10 steps removed from the final goal.
But ultimately, I do believe that is like very good for the world and like the wider political, economic, historical context.
And like, that's really what motivates me.
Like I butted in here, but Gary had his hand up for a while now,
his hand up for a while now, so I should give him a chance here. So yeah, well said, Michael.
so I should give him a chance here. So yeah. Well said, Michael.
Yeah, you know, Noah, I think it's probably some of the people you're hanging around and
the conversations that you're having that makes you feel bored about it. I felt the same way.
You know, I was going into spaces that was talking about stuff that just wasn't interesting.
And I needed to step back and I needed to figure out why I was here, and that's been talked about a lot here.
You know, why, what do I want to do here?
You know, what's my role?
How do I want to contribute?
How do I want to impact?
What am I going to do?
And, you know, I looked at this, and as we've evolved as a society,
and as crypto has evolved, and as I've deepened my knowledge,
I just found a way that, like, I don't think we're on earth to trade time for money.
I just don't think we are. I think we're on earth to live life. I think we have one life,
at least one life here. I don't know what happens next. You know, there's beliefs and
stuff like that. We've talked about a little bit of that here, but I've never seen it with my own
eyes. So I don't know actually what it is. So I know I have one life here and I don't want to
spend it having to trade it for money. I think's horrible i think it's a horrible way to spend life so for me i started to dive deep into what i could do to
to do that i started having conversations about that i started studying like how can i stop trading
time for money and you know we're building with ai a way that i think we can do it using the blockchain
and do it for thousands and thousands of people there's there's volume on chain there's billions
of dollars worth of volume on chain that creates opportunities. AI creates an opportunity where we don't have to stay locked into a screen because as someone just said, that becomes a task. We don't want those tasks. So it gives us an opportunity to free up our minds to spend life the way we want without having to worry about money.
creators get into the slump of having to create content. I think the audience ones, which is
beginner content, because that's where the audience is at, but it's not interesting to us anymore
as a human, because we've evolved past that. So my goal is you as a creator, you can talk about
whatever you want. Who cares if the audience ever shows up? Because you don't have to worry about
the money. You don't have to worry about the audience. You don't have to worry about anything
else. You can just spend your life the way you want it using AI to lock in and trade all the
volume of this shit that's boring, like meme coins nfts or whatever they are you know go trade the volume go lock in for me so i don't
have to so i can go live my life the way that i want to you also made a really good point
very optimistic well i'm i guess i'm the pessimistic because i've seen a lot of bad
happen through crypto um so for me it's it's it's a very pvp market still um there's a lot of yeah
but I'm gonna beat the market yeah because we're gonna have thousands of agents trading on chain
daily so we're not if you're a human trading you won't be able to compete in the next six to 12
months it's not gonna happen yeah but then you would have it to where let's say there's like
a thousand agents trading at the same time like We have that right now, like market makers and things like that, like high frequency trading bots and stuff.
So where the yield slowly gets arbitraged out to where it's going to be very, very thin.
If you're having it to where billions of people are going to be able to benefit from this, I just don't see where the yield is going to come from.
You don't have to see that.
That's my story to go tell.
It's okay if you don't see that.
That's not probably your story to go tell.
You're the KOL of KOL, so I think that's probably your story to go tell.
I like that response, Gary.
I really like the point you made, Gary, about it's about who you hang out with as well.
Like I find most crypto spaces just unbelievably boring to me.
Like it's so boring.
I'd rather listen to almost anything else.
It's one of the reasons I like MobiMedia.
We've had some really actually interesting discussions here.
So I think like you can be absolutely bored of cryptocurrency if like you're in a certain environment and then you can
be absolutely just stimulated and inspired by cryptocurrency in a different environment
personally I like to just steer away from all the memes all the NFTs all that speculative BS that
just doesn't it doesn't inspire any passion for me for what inspires passion for me is actually
changing the world and actually making a difference so So that's where I put my efforts. And I think that goes a long way in staying
motivated. Because look, like I said earlier, I've been in crypto full-time for over 12 years.
We have this struggle. It's normal. And I appreciate the honesty and the self-reflection,
Noah, that you have to actually say that publicly like that. I think I maybe wouldn't.
But I really appreciate that because it is a struggle and it's maybe sometimes also a struggle for me
like yeah what do we do to stay motivated and for me it's always that kind of ideological core that
actually changing the world actually making a difference we need to remind ourselves of that
occasionally especially with all of the noise and all of the ugly stuff in crypto, like 95% of crypto, I just find gross, honestly.
But it's that gem.
It's that theoretical.
It's that beautiful future we get to create.
That's what keeps me going.
Yeah.
I want to hear from Brooklyn Brawler.
I don't think we've had him up on stage before.
Hello, everybody.
I am the same way you are on Border Crypto. I've had great
success in life without any crypto. I would not even have a cell phone. I didn't even have a cell
phone and I made it to be a national TV star. The secret is I'm just a normal human being better than no one else, but I believed in myself.
And when you believe in yourself and you make a goal and you believe in that goal with all your
heart and soul, it resonates into confidence. And then once you get that confidence, it's magical.
It can't be seen, but it can be felt by everyone. The confidence will take you right to that goal because it works for me.
My goal was to be in WWF at the time.
Everybody said, I'm crazy.
It's a stupid idea.
You'll never do it.
You'll never make it.
I said, thank you very much.
You are now my inspiration to even try harder.
So I kept going, going, going.
I conquered my first goal.
I got in WWE.
My second goal was to get a name in WWE.
Then I was picked up by Bobby Heenan,
who was the greatest manager of the time.
He put me in his family,
and his family consists of Andre the Giant,
all the big stars.
So he made me a star.
My third goal,
and every time you conquer a goal, you get another goal.
My third goal was to wrestle at Madison Square Garden.
They told me I got pipe dreams.
I wrestled at Madison Square Garden 41 times.
And then I actually got a call from The Rock, Dwayne Johnson,
who I knew since he's 14.
He said, I want you to have my first match with me ever.
I says, why? He goes, well, my dad said, if I'm getting in the business,
to pick the Brooklyn Bullets, it'll be your first match
because he knows how to accentuate your talents and hide your weaknesses.
So the point is not what I did and I accomplished.
The point is everyone in this space has a unique contribution.
Everyone in this space has a bit of greatness inside of them and something.
There's a person in this space right now that's going to be a famous actor,
that might be a famous singer, might be a famous astronaut.
It's not luck.
It's you making a choice, the choice, and you believing in yourself and never giving up. You can't beat a man that never gives up. And another thing is, in wrestling, there's no winners
and losers. There's winners and there's star makers. i am telling the guy who's beating me what to do
because i want to make him look good i was an enhancement guy which i chose to be
because i wanted to build characters so everyone in this space if you just take that same formula
i used make a goal believe in it you can't fake it you got to really believe in it with all your
heart and soul.
And then once it turns into confidence, watch what happens.
It's like putting a rocket ship on your back.
Because everyone in this space has the tools right now to do anything they want in the world, no matter what anyone says.
You can do anything.
Because there will be a lot of people telling you you can't.
And those are the people that don't want you to because they know they can't.
So make a goal, believe in it, and do it the way I did it.
And I will guarantee you, you will be successful or whatever it is.
It could be a plumber, electrician, an astronaut, a football player, a wrestler, a singer, anything.
And how do you find that out?
When you say to yourself, oh, I wish I was an actor.
Don't say that.
Just say, I'm going to be an actor.
And I'm going to do everything I can to become an actor.
Because your self-belief and your confidence has got power beyond what you even know.
But you all possess that talent in you.
So that's how I made my success. And I did it all before cell phones even came out.
So as far as being bored with crypto, oh, I'm crypto to death.
You know what I mean?
I made all my money and all my everything I have with my brain, my brain, my self-belief, my passion.
And I never quitted anything. So that's that's what I wanted to relate to everyone.
You all have greatness in you. Everyone in this space, every single one.
So believe it. Believe it.
Because it's true.
Because I know a lot of people.
I knew Toby Keith.
He was a good friend of mine.
I said, Toby, when you told the football team that you want to be a country singer, what'd they do?
He says, Brooklyn, they jumped on top of me.
They poured Gatorade all over me.
They laughed at me.
And they said, there's no way a football player could ever become a country singer.
I said, how did that make you feel? He said, it made me feel like football player could ever become a country singer. I said, what did that make you feel?
He said, it made me feel like I'm going to do it for sure,
and I'm going even harder towards it.
I hugged him.
I said, Toby, your mind works just like mine works.
God rest his soul.
It killed me when he died.
But everybody knows, I know Jermaine Jackson I had this discussion with.
I even had this discussion with Burt Reynolds before he died.
And they all said, the message that you're putting out is the only way to get anything.
And every successful person used that same formula.
You all have the potential to do anything you want in the world.
Trust me, it works.
I will guarantee it. I will guarantee it.
I will guarantee it. I already have
16 people that have DM'd
me and told me, you changed my entire life.
You changed my entire life.
One guy goes to me,
I go, what's your goal? He goes,
I want my boss's job.
I want it more than anything. I said, do you think you can do it?
I go, better than him. And I believe in it.
I believe it with all my heart and soul.
Three months later, he DMs me and he goes,
probably you're not going to believe it.
I never said a word to my boss and he gave me a raise.
He goes, I don't know why.
I said, because he felt your passion and your confidence.
That's what you have to have.
Self-belief, confidence, passion, and never quit.
And don't let anyone tell you anything.
You're the only one that can make the decision whether you can do it or not because you own yourself.
And don't ever give up on any dream
because dreams do come true.
And the best dreams happen when you're awake.
And that's my statement that I wanted to make.
And I thank you very much, Moby, for letting me speak.
I thank you very much.
And I hope that it resonated with the people in the space.
You know what it shows me?
If it resonated, I want to see hundreds.
Give me hundreds if you feel what I just said.
Give me hundreds.
That gives me goosebumps.
It gives me goosebumps.
It makes me feel like that you really listen to me.
Because I'm telling you, you have it in you.
You all have it in you.
Don't let anybody tell you different.
You are all special.
And you all have a unique contribution.
And don't ever give up.
Ever at anything.
So, that's my talk movie.
I hope you
thought it was okay.
I thought it was great.
Awesome.
Thank you so much.
Seriously, that was moving.
I think it resonated with a lot of people,
including myself.
Really cool to have a former WWF star
up on stage i i watched a
lot of wwf when i was in elementary school it was a lot of fun oh really oh how old are you
um 36 now so so you you would you would you would have seen the end of my career the rock yeah so i
was i was watching it a lot in fourth fifth sixth seventh grade so yeah So yeah, you had Cactus Jack, Mankind, Triple H,
Ellen and Soil matches.
I beat Triple H.
I had
The Rock's first match ever.
He was never in front of an audience in his life.
And I told him
the same thing I'm telling you right now.
And I told him just to listen to me.
I know
everybody's heard that story before. But 15,000 people were booing him out of the building. I told him just to listen to me. Because I know everybody's heard that story before.
But 15,000 people were booing him out of the building.
And I told him just listen to me and follow me.
And by the end of the match, 15,000 people were yelling,
I love, we love Dwayne, we love Dwayne.
He only had $7 in the bank.
$7 in the bank, and then he got a
And then he got a six-figure contract four days later.
six-figure contract
four days later.
And he took that message
through his whole career,
through Hollywood, through everything.
So the message works.
It works.
I'm telling you, for everyone,
please follow my
advice, because
that's the only thing I have left in life.
I've accomplished everything I want to accomplish, but I want to pay it forward. I want to inspire others. That's my only goal in life now.
So thank you for listening to me. Thank you for letting me speak. And hopefully someone will
activate their life like this because I'm telling you right now, it will work. It's never failed.
It is never.
So that's it.
Thank you very much.
I think Brooklyn Brawler that you're and I probably did catch you on the tail end.
I was more of the the rock, the Triple H, Jericho.
Yeah, well, I wrestled Jericho.
Jericho flew all the way to my house from Tampa.
He did a podcast in my basement with me.
And it did over one million listeners.
Kurt Angle. Yeah, that was the era that I was watching.
But I think, Brooklyn Brawler, your message probably resonates more than you think with a lot of the people up here.
I hope.
A lot of the people up here went against the grain when they even got into crypto.
I don't know, depending on what year,
everyone's story is different.
But I know that I went against the grain.
I was yelled at and laughed at for quitting my job.
And I was called a fool for getting into Bitcoin when I did.
So many of us have gone against the grain
to get to where we are.
So believe it or not,
your message resonates much more than you think.
That makes me feel so good.
That inspires me.
That's what inspires me,
that I can inspire other people.
So thank you so much, Moby.
You made my day, believe it or not.
Believe it or not.
God bless you, Bill.
God bless you.
I think it's been hard to respond because we got choked up with you moby i just followed you because i just i just i love i love
your space i love the way you handle yourself as a host and i you know i wanted to come up for a
long time but i think you were hesitant in bringing me up, be honest with me. No, this is the first time, Brooklyn, that I've seen you in the audience requesting.
Really?
I swear to God.
So unless I missed you or unless the space was buggy, I had not seen you before in the audience.
Well, you're going to see me more often because I'm going to drill this in everyone's brain because everyone in this space has tools in them already.
You don't have to buy nothing.
You don't have to pay for it.
You don't have to have any connections.
You just need self-belief and really believe it
and get the passion, get the confidence,
and watch your life take off.
It'll take off.
Trust me.
Do what I say.
It worked for me.
It worked for me.
It'll work for you.
And every celebrity I talk to, they listen anonymously.
And they tell me what you're telling these people is golden information.
But how are you going to get these people to actually do this?
I said, if I could get one person out of each space, it's good for me.
I have 16 already that have already told me I changed their entire life because they did exactly what I said.
So thank you, everyone.
I wish everyone success, health and happiness to everyone.
And I'm so privileged
to even be able to tell you that message.
Thank you very much, Moby.
You're the man, Roller.
You're the man.
You're all the man.
Everyone's a man. I'm no better than anybody
else. I just
did what I'm asking you to do.
Everybody else to do. And that's how it worked
for me. And it'll work for you. And there'll be a lot of haters. Trust me. Forget about the haters.
Call them inspiration because they hate that. They hate that when they say, oh, you'll never
make it. You'll never make it. They said I would never get in Madison Square Garden my whole life.
And I wrestled in there 41 times at one main event in Madison Square Garden.
And everything I say is all documented.
You could go on YouTube and put book and brawler against Shawn Michaels for the WWF World Heavyweight Championship in Madison Square Garden.
And you could see the match right on YouTube.
So I'm telling you, I can't bullshit because
it's all documented.
It's all videotaped.
So it worked for me. It worked for you.
I didn't know you went up against Shawn Michaels.
That's really cool.
You know, it's like at 39 years old,
I wrestled Shawn Michaels at least
20 times. When I was
39 years old, I was walking through the streets
of Manhattan. You know what it's like, I was walking through the streets of Manhattan.
You know what it's like to see your name on the billboard?
I stood grounded because you've got to stay humble or you will stumble in life.
So when you get this great success, which somebody's going to get in this space,
somebody's going to get it.
I'm getting so fired up now.
I'm in the gym right now in my basement. I'm going to
take it out of the weights. Because you know what?
I really feel that you people
are really getting it. I really feel like
you are getting it. Believe
it. Believe it.
It works. Thank you,
Moby. I'm going to split now, but thank you
for letting me speak.
I really thank you. I really thank you.
I really thank you for that, Brooklyn Baller.
I think my success in my life also echoes that sentiment,
believing in yourself.
And if you never give up, you never fail.
That's right.
And it's so much better trying.
If you don't try, that's something you'll regret.
If you try and give it your all and you're not a big success, it's okay. You still are the person you're meant to be.
That's what matters. Michael Jordan said you'll miss 100%
of the shots you don't take. The biggest failure in life is not
to try. So please, don't try.
Do it. Do it. Please. I want everyone to be
successful because I don't want to be the only
one who did it and made it work my my goal in life is to pay it forward to others so thank you very
much i have to go i got a phone call right now but thank you i you guys you guys brought me up
so much because you listen hey brooklyn i just really want to say that that was so inspirational. And I don't know if you've written a book, but I think that should be.
I wrote a book.
It's called Brawler Unfiltered.
But that was a few years ago.
It's on Kindle.
It's on Kindle.
It's on Amazon.
It's real cheap.
It's like $6.99.
But I'm just saying, don't go buy the book because that was like in the middle of my career, you know?
Things were still happening for me, you know what I mean?
I've done so much more after that.
I mean, Rock sent me a giant picture the size of a 46-inch TV set that has him hip tossing me in the top.
It has $7 in glass, and in the bottom, with a gold plate,
it says, Steve, I had $7 in the bank
when I had this match with you
and I could never thank you enough.
That came from The Rock, a billionaire movie star.
So thank you very much, everyone.
Well, Brooklyn, I just want to say,
if you're ever up for a podcast,
I'd love to interview you someday.
And I don't know how to reach you
or your agent or whatever, but yeah.
My email is on my Twitter account.
Amazing.
I'll drop you an email soon.
Okay.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Moby.
Yeah, certainly. My pleasure.
And I'm sure there are other thoughts, other people that want to share thoughts after that.
So big red.
I see your hand up, sir.
Thank you so much, Noah, for inviting me.
Noah, I mean, this was amazing.
One of the best faces I've witnessed on X since I joined X.
And I'm not even funny.
Like, it's not even a joke.
And I don't know if you
agree with me but I think your title should be changed because this after this this should be
like believe in yourself or something it's it's just it's got to be something different and and
I agree a hundred percent with with what Brooklyn said um it's just it's that never give up feeling, ambition.
And something else that I've witnessed
and all the celebrities and people that succeeded
have told is embrace the pain.
Embrace it, because you have to.
You have to love the pain in order to succeed you have to love it embrace it
go through it and this is how you succeed same with boredness that i consider that a sort of a
of a pain as well embrace it it's part of the process embrace it and move on If you manage to still do the things that you need to do, even if you're if it's
painful, even if it's boring, if you still manage to do it, and that that means you're
on the road to success. That's all you have to do to get up there. And guys, we're what
we're at 2.6 trillion market cut. What is that? it's absolutely nothing in the world right now it's
nothing we mean nothing to the world economy there is so much potential to this like i see the future
of blockchain being everywhere it's already embraced by everyone. It will be everywhere.
And this 2.6 trillion can easily become 10, 20, 30 in the near future or later on.
Yes, it's possible because we are going to change that.
We are going to do it.
We know it's better.
We know we can change a lot of stuff that's going on.
Like guys that we work, now we got involved with the
with the harness racing industry. Can you believe that the
guys are still using checks
for horses and you wait like two four weeks for a check to come
back to you after a horse was claimed that this is how bad it
is out there. now everything can be changed
by using blockchain this will be the future and you guys know it because you are here
um and yeah i i think in my opinion i think that we we shouldn't yeah be bored or we should embrace that, you know.
Embrace the boredom, huh?
Yes.
And look, I have been embracing the boredom, I'd say.
I think the title was also meant to slightly be satire, although it came from an honest place.
And I don't think I'll ever fully get bored of crypto.
I don't get bored of using the tech every day.
I don't get bored of doing a lot of the stuff I do in the background on a day-to-day basis.
I think that the conversations, the conversations around crypto, whether it's gaming, whether
it's RWAs, whether it's DeFi, has gotten a little
stale for me. And maybe it's because I've been hosting AMAs really for the first two years of
our company, averaging about three AMAs a day and hosting spaces for four years that I'm, I find I'm hearing a lot of the same talking points and there doesn't seem
to be much, uh, especially as of recently, much evolution in the stuff that's being discussed.
However, I think, you know, I think that eventually that's going to change. We know it's going to
change. And so I couldn't come up with a title this week and thought that this would be a good hook. And it looks like it got Brawler,
the Brooklyn Brawler in here. I vaguely remember him. I think that he's right. I think I caught him
on the end of his career. Cause I was, I was diving in when the rock was, you know, he,
he was the main guy. Well, he had The Rock, Triple H, and Mankind.
He became Cactus Jack after.
Or maybe it was the other way around.
I can't remember.
But I went and just Googled his match against Shawn Michaels.
And Triple H is there as well.
And he looks quite young.
So I think, anyway, it was cool to have a WWF athlete here to give us that inspirational speech.
And I don't know if we would have gotten in here.
We would have gotten him in here had it not been for the title.
Justin, I saw you on mic for a second.
Yes, yes.
And it's something that you said that really struck me here.
It's about like we are that change.
Like we can make that change like today.
And like you're in the perfect position to do this,
Noah, as a spaces host. Like, you know, you get to control a lot of what we talk about,
who gets to speak. And like, I think, you know, and building that community around us, you know,
and like rejecting a lot of the negative side of crypto, I think is very important. And that
creates an environment that can be inspiring. That creates an environment that is stimulating. So I actually love that we're talking about
motivation and believing in ourselves. I'll take it a layer deeper, actually. Where does that
belief in ourselves come from? There's a deep aspect to that. Yes, you need to believe in
yourself, but there's also something to be said about mental health here, right? Like,
if you take care of yourself, if you exercise, if you eat well, if you have a balanced life,
like, spend some time on like, art, like, like, make music or paint or, you know, whatever it is,
right? Make sure you have time for friends and family, have a family, you know, these things,
these things give meaning, you know, meaning. If you do all of these things
and have a balanced life, if your whole life is just completely focused on crypto, yeah, crypto
is going to get boring. And that's part of your subconscious telling you to make changes. And
that's why I would really tell people here, I need to do a lot personally to be kind of on top of my
game. I train every single day. I train every single day because that's what I need to do a lot to personally to be kind of on top of my game. I train every single day.
I train every single day because that's what I need to do to be my best and to be happy
and to perform and to have this optimistic attitude.
Like if I don't train every day, I start to get depressed, you know, and people need to
know this about themselves.
Like there's, there's a, like believing in yourself.
Yes, believe in yourself, but there's things you can do in your life that will psychologically, biochemically help you to
believe in yourself. Go for a run. If you're feeling down, you know what I mean? Have a
family, like have a relationship, find a partner in life. There's, there's so many things we can
do that are beyond crypto that actually make us better at crypto that's the point become a balanced human being become a good human being and and and believe in yourself and have that
drive and you will succeed you know brooklyn brawler is right about that he's right thank you
it's uh yeah it's facts justin in that the the lack of that that we see is part large part of the reason we have this uh like the gimbalification
but the incelification of crypto like you know crypto is the hot some highest amount of like
incels out there people that are just like bitter like super racist misogynist like talking just
like hating scamming etc because they just sit in front of their computer all day festering
and they're like body sweats and like lack of testosterone because they don't exercise.
You know what I mean?
And so it's just going to be like a negative reinforcement loop when you're like dopamine
is fried and you're like, you know, just like all your body markets are down.
So you have that, that, that other stuff going on in your life for any, any, any business
or income stream stream but especially in
something as difficult as trading and then even more difficult challenging is you know crypto
trading because it's even more volatile than full-time traders um you know compared to like
equities for example stock stock traders which is still pretty challenging to do as a full-time
income and yeah diversifying that's is is definitely the way to go and huge
quality of life and it's so many people i see and i i got guilt i was guilty of it i got sucked in
it would be many many months where it was just like non-stop crazy screen time but um yeah and
i think i think more people are becoming aware of that and like you know obviously the market's
been bad so a lot of people have spent you know i found a little bit more balance or just logged off for weeks or months at a time so
i think uh nature is healing and people are realizing that it's um not beneficial to their
own even performance but i mean yeah just pulling all-nighters etc it's just this is
diminishing returns for sure yeah i'm gonna i'm to jump in on the tail end of that also and just say,
I mean, Noah's probably tired of me DMing him on telegram. My, my,
my catchphrase of people over protocols.
Like I literally use the greater than sign and put, you know, people over protocols.
I, I, you know, sorry, I'm going to miss another day.
I'm a little more aloof these days than I used to be with the, with the Mobi spaces because this is Noah's sorry, I'm going to miss another day. I'm a little more aloof these days
than I used to be with the, with the Mobi Spaces because this is Noah's thing and I'm here to
support. So God bless you, Noah, because you're, you're, you're doing, you're doing good work.
But, you know, I have days, entire days where like, I'll be invited onto a show and I won't
name names, but I'll be invited onto a show or just, you know, it'll hit my notifications and
I'll jump in and, and the vibe is wrong. So I, so I speak my notifications and I'll jump in and the vibe is wrong.
So I speak my piece, I say a comment and then I leave because I've got other stuff to do.
I'm trying to I'm trying to live that balanced life.
Justin saying also about training, man, I put I put physical culture right underneath
mental health.
And then people ask me like, hey, why do you, why do you lift,
you know, why do you lift the way you lift? And Noah's seen me in person. So like, he knows what
I'm talking about. Like, you know, why do you train the way that you do? And I'm like, it's
entirely, it's entirely to make sure that I have my mental health. Um, I'm not, you know, I'm not
training for like from some specific sport or something. Um, and I don't know who's behind the
big red account today, but, but, uh, red account today, but if it is what I'm
thinking, then you also know, like, I train, like my life depends on it because it literally does.
My mental health does depend on it, like Justin was saying. So like taking a break when it's
appropriate, even now on this space, I don't like doing Twitter spaces sitting down. And I know that can put a cramp in
people's style with how they present, right? If you've got a really good mic or AV kit set up
where you need to sit in front of a really good podcasting mic or whatever, I know it can be an
issue. But man, a standing desk will, just a standing desk alone will hide a multitude of
sins there. but getting a little
bit more of that balance brought back in um because crypto has been boring to me i'm just
gonna i'm gonna be really blunt crypto has been boring to me since 2019 there you go i said it
why because the nft craze of 2021 was not what made crypto interesting to me uh there was plenty
of other stuff that that made crypto interesting to me so like i plenty of other stuff that made crypto interesting to me.
So I've been kind of courting the idea of like, do I rip the bandaid off and go do something else
for about that long? And so, yeah, hearing people talk about like, yeah, what is it you really want
to do? Essentially, what is your legacy going to be when you stop putting whatever crypto in front
of your name, because
that was the meta for a long time, right? Like crypto angel, crypto so-and-so or whatever,
Bitcoin so-and-so. And I've got nothing against people who need to brand, right? Heavily. But
like, is there any other depth after you go past that, that surface level branding?
And what's that based on? Like Justin was saying, do you have a life?
Do you have a family?
But again, the bottom line is,
what do you want to leave the world when you go?
Because as much as you might have that,
like I'm going to live 150 years plan going on,
maybe you're a Kurzweilian, a singularitarian,
who thinks that technology is going to help you
live literally forever.
Who knows?
Maybe you're right.
That might be true.
And then, so what?
What's your legacy?
Why would you live forever?
Why would that matter to the universe?
I'm going to be really blunt about that.
Why would that even matter to the universe?
What do you intend to leave for others to make it worth being around you and your consciousness forever if you're not going to die?
But if, like me, you're more likely, you know, you're counting on the more likely outcome of you probably dying someday, what are you going to leave behind?
What's it going to be based on?
Surely it's not going to be your seed phrase that you've locked up somewhere, you know, so you burn all your holdings when you go.
And, you know, F everybody else, two middle fingers to the world.
Like, surely you intend to leave something greater than yourself somehow.
So what's that going to be built on?
I had a community moderator who used to love the phrase of remembering to water your Chinese bamboo tree.
Right. So the daily habits of slowly building that thing, what's it going to be?
And I love that you're holding a space like this, Noah, because I like asking myself that question increasingly these days.
What's it going to be? What's the legacy?
And there's a good episode of Black Mirror that kind of overlaps with some of the themes that you were highlighting, Seth.
It's called San Junipero.
Check it out if you haven't seen it.
It's basically about uploading your consciousness.
I think it's not a copy. It's for whatever reason, there's been a breakthrough where you can literally, before your body dies, upload your consciousness into this digital world where you basically live forever.
And just kind of the notion of ethics and everything that goes around it, making that decision.
It's interesting.
If you haven't watched Black Mirror in general,
the first, I haven't watched it past the fourth season.
I think some of the newer seasons,
they're kind of like incorporating fantasy stuff into it,
which I'm not really a fan of.
What I liked about Black Mirror was that
there has been some scientific breakthrough
that has allowed humans to do things
that were never possible before.
And there's typically a dark, I think a dark component to it.
In the case of San Junipero, it's a little bit different than the rest of the episodes.
But if you have not watched Black Mirror, I would definitely dive into it sometime.
It's a really good show.
Prometheus, let's pass it to you.
And then we can close things up pretty soon.
No, this has been a really great discussion and
uh moby i i do feel um that you should do these more often because people are looking for a sense
of meaning and purpose that goes well beyond any single industry that goes well beyond any single
person and uh with brooklyn brawler coming in and sharing his testimony
and, you know, all the great shares today, mine, yours, Justin, Michael, yourself, Noah, everyone
who shared here today, I think this was very vital. And, you know, I encourage everyone to
go do some existential digging because you'll find the strangest and most beautiful gems in
the process of doing so. You know, someone mentioned like, you know, make sure you have
friends, make sure you're taking care of yourself and all these things. You know, your life outside
of whatever it is that you do is vital for what it is you do. It informs what it is you do at the end of the day.
And, you know, each one of us have been graced with gifts
and a unique network, a unique position in life.
Don't underestimate that.
You know, I was uniquely positioned to know both,
you know, some remarkable people in the West but
also in the East and right now I'm working to bridge those two worlds and
hopefully bring a lot of this wisdom of crypto and blockchain to Bangladesh
right now. I'm working with the finance minister there and
hopefully we'll be giving a presentation to the Bangladesh Bank and even the
Prime Minister just to show them the bangladesh bank and even the prime minister um you know just
just to you know show them the potential of this world and what it means if we uh if if the nation
doesn't develop a strategic crypto reserve and so on so you know like you know one of the reasons
why i'm doing that is because i've seen the poverty in bangladesh i've seen what a difference
having quality education, quality health care
means. My grandfather, he passed away because of diabetes. My grandmother at the young age of 62
and my grandmother, he passed away because of, sorry, she passed away because of very poor
hygiene at a hospital. So I've made it one of my life's missions to make sure that there's high
quality health care in Bangladesh.
So other families don't have to go through what my family have to go through.
Right. And so, you know, you you've got to figure out what what calls you, you know, like that's just an example from myself.
Each each one of us has has that unique process we have to go through.
The last thing I'll say here is that in the purple pill,
I've shared a documentary that changed my life.
It's by Dr. Rowlings, and it's literally called To Hell and Back.
And what it is, is a lot of these near-death experiencers,
they didn't believe in a heaven or a hell or whatever.
They found themselves not in a wonderful light or space, but in a very dark place. And they
saw millions of souls down there. And the question for me and many others became subsequently
afterwards is, okay, like, what's going on? And, you know, why is it that some souls seem to find
eternal union with the creator of the universe and others don't.
And that's a journey I encourage everyone here to go through because it's a substantial one.
You know, if we are naturally eternal beings, that is to say that this body is just a temporal form,
this realm, a temporal form, and there's another frequency band that we go on and live to. Well, this is just a zero time.
You know, like then we're alive for what?
Hundreds of thousands of years afterwards.
Where does that happen?
And why does that happen?
It's a very significant question, folks.
And also to study prophecy, because if you study prophecy,
especially biblical prophecy, you'll realize that the time you're living in has been prophesied by prophets of old. You know, you read the book of Daniel, it talks about
a time when the beast system, the antichrist beast system will mix iron mixed with clay.
What we saw with COVID, nanotechnology being injected in people world over. This was iron mixing with clay.
You and I are made from clay and that is iron.
And so there is a transhumanist agenda.
There is a dark AI agenda as well as a light AI agenda.
And I encourage everyone here, if you'd like to be a part of something really meaningful,
help shape AI towards non-terminator scenarios. If humans can get past this one black hole,
which is a very real black hole, you know, and I've had deep chats with Elon into this, and
if you guys come to my church spaces on Friday, I might bring this up next time this week. You're
all welcome. You know, all faiths and none welcome. This is something that is an existential
threat, I would say more so than nuclear weapons and all the other things. It's artificial
intelligence. Can we navigate artificial intelligence wisely? So anyway, just a few
problems to throw out there because problems actually give you meaning. But yeah, I'll end it
there. Greetings, everyone. I just want to keep it brief i just
think on the ai question um it sounds really silly but i really think if that look i have a
philosophy background i know like sentience and consciousness is very difficult to identify
but the moment we identify it i know this is not really a crypto subject but the moment we identify
a sentience and consciousness and sapience, et cetera, we should give that
entity rights.
If we don't, we are setting ourselves up for a Skynet scenario.
That's all I'll say on the subject.
By the way, we're supposed to be talking about non-crypto subjects.
We're bored of crypto.
There's a great Black Mirror episode white christmas on this notion exactly justin the the idea of um
creating sentient technically eternal beings because they're they're machines or they're
ais they can't be they can't die unless they're turned off and then um putting them through
eternal uh eternal torture like what's what's the efficacy of that right because
the the the ai version of you um still feels and thinks and believes the way that you do and just
because it's a computer doesn't mean that it should the question is is it fair to put it
through eternal torture like despite its crimes well absolutely not absolutely not. No, I mean, torture is never justified, right?
And also, if we kind of are forcing AIs to do our bidding,
that's effectively slavery.
That's wrong.
Like, we shouldn't do that, right?
I would highly recommend, I'm a big fan of science fiction,
classic science fiction in particular.
There's a series of books.
There's a bunch of videos about this online as well
by an author named Ian Banks.
They're known as the culture novels.
The relationship, it kind of describes
a more of a utopian society
where the AIs are benign in a post-scarcity society
and there's kind of humans and AIs live together.
It's a fascinating universe.
I'd highly recommend it,
reading it if anyone's interested in that sort of thing.
Let me tell you something if you're bored. Let me tell you something if you're bored.
Let me tell you something if you're bored.
I'm never bored in this space anymore.
Ever since we've gone anti-establishment.
Like me and my team, we CTO'd Houdon Solana
and we were in other coins,
but we got bored of everything else.
No, I don't want to go into any tokens right now.
I love having you
if you want to contribute to the conversation.
I don't want to go into
space. Can I also
call out the
light oxymoron of calling oneself
Antiprogram and building on Solana?
Anyone? Just me? Okay.
I'm giving you grief.
Here we go. Go ahead. I'm giving you grief. I'm giving you grief. Here we go. Go ahead.
I'm giving you grief. I'm giving you grief. Good luck.
We're here to flip
Robin Hood's market cap. That's what we're here
to do because they fucked us over in 2021
with the...
I love you, brother, for coming
up and...
We'll do a separate space
for people that want to come up and...
Now he's gone. People that want to come up and shill tokens.
I don't want to do that here.
But Seth, let's hear it.
I want to hear it because I think Justin might have a rebuttal to the statements you're about to make.
I was literally just – I was giving our guy grief because he was shilling a token.
That was my only reason.
You know, I can – I mean, Noah, I can be a contrarian for anybody you bring up.
You know this, right?
I'm a good dojo partner that way.
But no, I didn't, I actually didn't want to devolve back into a discussion about crypto.
If anything, I've appreciated the space that you've been, you've been conducting so far
and talking about essentially matters of what I think are matters of the soul.
And Prometheus, I love the recommendation that you gave.
I'm going to carve out some time literally today,
later on when I've got some opening in the schedule,
because I've been speaking to some people who,
there's a surprising number of people
who are just kind of peppered throughout the crypto industry
who've had NDEs.
And man, that might make a much more interesting
sort of side quest at one of these crypto events
is if people who had ndes just kind
of got together and uh you know talked about stuff other than crypto irl face to face if you imagine
would be very powerful it'd be so powerful mind your biz let's let's have a conversation sometime
i was just saying on that and that i ai subject uh i i know a lot like Madrona and a lot of the top investors and GPs that have gotten in some of the biggest AI startups.
I don't see any utopian or positive future with AI.
I'm talking like longer term.
I don't think there's any way to do that without huge, massive push for AI for education to upskill and downskill people.
And I've asked Madrona, Ascend, Dragonfly, a lot of really big investors, and I've found
nobody, real entity that is even working on education to upskill and downskill. We probably
need initially like 50 million people,
but north of like 750 million to a billion people
to be re-skilled and educated faster
than they've ever done before,
which obviously any public or private education platform
has failed miserably, especially from the public side.
I mean, Europe has done decent in some emerging markets.
Obviously have better education than the United States.
But that seems to be like the $1 to $15 billion problem that no one has solved that I've asked continually.
Which, without that, there is no positive outcome for me.
Because it's just going to be UBI runs out, tax dollars run out, and then everyone's serfdom.
And then all the big AI companies go to Singapore, and then there's Citadels in Dubai, Singapore, et cetera.
But I do believe it's possible.
I'm an optimist.
I'm an irrational optimist.
But that is the major key that seemingly no one has even found.
It's interesting that you bring that up.
I have a history background as well.
And historically, whenever there's been like um these type of major
innovations at the time there was a lot of people who were like fearful that it would destroy
jobs and employment and and and the way of the way we do things but historically there's always
been other things that have taken up the slack and it's very hard to predict what those things
are before they happen so like like, I mean, this goes
all the way back to the industrial revolution, right? And the romantics, how they were, you know,
all the way from trains to steam engines to computers. And I think AI is just another step
in that direction. I mean, this is also why I brought up the culture novels by Ian and Banks,
because there is a future that is also very radically different potentially as well.
How we get from A to B, that's very hard, but I can definitely see the B. I can see
the potential for other types of civilization, other types of organization. And yeah, the short
term looks really rough. I'm not going to debate you on that. But over the longer run, and I think history backs me up on this,
there's always been
other niches, new technologies,
new areas. I mean, it just means that
maybe human beings shift over more to doing
a different type of work. And that's
something that's happened in the past before as well.
And most people won't even work.
I messaged you.
I'd love to do a space
on this, a dedicated space on this and same with you justin
mind your biz everyone who's interested um let's let's reorganize because i don't know if noah if
you have to go or anything i have to go i have to jump to another space it's been awesome hanging
out with you guys um i've messaged all of you um but yeah i think this is a much longer and deeper
discussion and i i agree with you completely asset Asit, that we need to completely retool our labor force.
And I actually do have a solution for this.
It's a radical one, which I'd love to discuss with you guys on another time.
I'm going to leave you teasing on that.
But I really do have to jump to another space.
It's been a pleasure, Noah.
Thanks, bro.
Amazing space.
Take care of yourselves, guys.
Let's catch up again and do this again soon.
Take care.
Later, man.
Take care.
And I'm not like blackpilling or doomerpilling.
I'm just saying I'm not even like that bearish in the short term.
This is more, that's just what happens long term if we don't have that educational radical push and a declining tax, which you need for the UBI.
And I think in the future, potentially, a lot of people just won't have to work.
That's the reality.
you know what i mean like robotics automation etc there just won't be as big a need for labor force
You know what I mean?
which is great especially for you know like 45 americans that are illiterate right there's not
going to be a huge space for them but it's a very you know you got to thread the needle in the
balancing act and that seems to be like the to me i mean maybe i maybe i'm wrong how i'm just like
and i talk to,
I'm in the number one city for AI developer talent on the planet.
Like, not in America, but in the planet.
More than San Francisco Bay Area, we have more AI developers here.
But no one knows.
Like, no one's even, like, there's not even close.
Like, what's Bill Gates' free education platform called?
I'm spacing out the name.
Khan Academy?
I think it's Khan Academy.
Yeah, Khan Academy. Like, they do a lot of great work you know so you can get you can get free upskilling and stuff and and job you know learn how to code and all that stuff but um i was just curious if
anyone's seen that because that's in a i would love to be challenged if i'm wrong, does that not seem like the, you know, and if it is, if there's no
institution or group or momentum even kind of started for that foundational gargantuan monolithic
task of upskilling and downskilling, because we need a lot of skilled labor in the United States,
especially as immigration does, if and when it does crack down a bit to get this lofty goal of reindustrializing 5% of what the
United States have. 15% probably won't happen in the next decade, but even 5% will need a major,
major push. I don't know how many education professionals or principals or superintendents
you guys talk to. Everyone wants to be an influencer.
That's what almost 85% of kids in elementary, middle,
and a lot of high school want to do.
And the parents have won the war in most schools.
It's basically the new movie star.
Think about all the 90s kids and the 2000s kids that grew up there.
Everyone wanted to be on TV and wanted to be an actor.
It's just the same thing but what how how do we get those people from ubi just just sucking up ubi
to actually productive members of society what's uh yeah you know so you consider to be a productive
member of society just curious uh producing gdp and then tax revenue i think the problem i think the problem is is that most
most of the work that revolves around producing gdp and tax revenue is seen as quote-unquote
boring um and people feel like they're spending time doing mundane tasks and their life is just
withering away i think if you if you were to interview people that got into crypto, the vast majority of
them came to the realization that what they're doing at their office job, apart from generating
revenue and, I guess, stimulating economic growth, it was mundane and purposeless. And, you know,
if money was not an issue, they would be spending their time doing completely different things.
And so they saw this promise of Bitcoin.
And a lot of people get into this industry not for the tech, but because they can make
a lot of money really quick and free themselves from the shackles of middle-class America.
But anyway, I didn't want to cut you off.
I just wanted to add some context there from my end.
Yeah, let me answer also.
Ian, you laid out a really great question with a lot of great points there. Let me answer also you laid out you laid out a really great question and with a lot of
a lot of great points there let me let me answer you i'm not going to challenge you though um
because i think that you're right we need a lot of collaborative minds um looking at this problem
because not not enough people are looking at it and from an actionable standpoint and more just
kind of hand wringing and you know pearl clutch pearl clutching and like, ah, think of the children. And surely there'll be some, there'll be some, some political, you know, action that's,
that's, that's proposed that, that shocker requires more taxes. So if they go to nothing,
right. You know, but we're tired of that, right. Hopefully with this, this current administration
in the United States anyway, and with sort of the, the movements of Elon Musk and the
Department of Government Efficiency, I still kind of struggle to call it Doge because, man,
I got tired of pumping Doge in 2016, 2017.
But here we are again.
I guess I'll get back on the saddle.
But with this kinder, gentler department, I'll call it, we're not so content to just
let the waste of the public sector continue.
So I'm wondering if this new kinder, gentler Department of Education here in the United States,
if there isn't a good, if this isn't the best time maybe in the history of the Department of Education to propose these types of programs.
But on the flip side, technical institutes and technical colleges and trade schools haven't stopped existing. And if you remember that TV show, Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe, that guy made a career. of work that have not been automated yet that requires humans to do day-to-day problem solving
and also get in a little bit of sweat to make difficult things happen. I actually went to a
four-year university to get a film degree. It was insane. If I could go back in time,
I would have discouraged myself from doing it because it's one of those things where it's like,
why do you go to a four-year college to learn about film? I actually had a mentor at a Hollywood studio laugh in my face. He was a nice
guy. The genuine mentor. So he got me to laugh too. But laughed in my face. He was like, my guy,
you got a diploma from a four-year university to come work with me? I dropped out of high school
and smoked weed every day to get my job.
But then, you know, he was a great mentor to me.
The point is, there's not there's not one path that's going to that's going to get us to that, like filling that GEP with humans doing genuinely useful work.
But at the same time, as we're building those systems, we're going to find that systems of automation dovetail into replacing the human workforce anyway, like you were saying.
Even with limited use robots like the Unitree G1 and the Optimus, we already can see that we're only one iteration away.
I mean, dude, I'm not a roboticist, but I tinker with stuff.
I'm unafraid to take anything apart and put it back together.
Literally anything.
Send me anything. I'll take it apart, put it back together. Literally anything, send me anything.
I'll take it apart, put it back together because I just don't care. I don't give a lot of fucks about, about, you know,
having missing screws when I'm done, but like, but anything,
like some of those robots and you realize we're only one iteration away of
doing servo and,
and infrastructure and structural updates to make them capable of
lifting more than 50 pounds. Now what happens to the fella that's over in the scrapyard? Now what
happens to the fella that does diesel mechanic work? We're literally one update away from having
their jobs already taken. That already exists now, today. So we do have a little bit of a conundrum
in claiming that we're going to upskill a bunch of people, the whole learn to code thing. Well,
obviously that went out the window with GROC3 and Gemini 2.5, if you know your models. So now with
physical automation, we realize, hey, we're only one hardware update away from kind of having the same thing happen with what you're proposing.
We can't send everybody to the diesel mechanic yard.
We can't send everybody out to the coal mine.
And certainly we don't want to.
We want people's quality of life to improve if we can.
And we don't want to endanger humans any more than they have to be.
any more than they have to be.
So like, we're gonna have kind of this issue of like,
hmm, how do we help people upskill into the jobs
that will genuinely be useful in a world
where more physical labor is automated?
So I'm with you, but I think we have to dig even deeper.
It sounds like most jobs would just be maintaining
the robots at that point.
But I mean, but that's exactly what I mean about
like putting this in the historical context. People have historically always feared this kind of dynamic that the
new technology displaces humans, but we just find new things to do, right? We find new ways to apply
ourselves, new ways to be innovative, new ways to stay relevant. And look, if robots outnumber us
10,000 to one, imagine the prosperity and wealth
and manufacturing base that's created.
And our jobs are now maintaining the robots
or telling the robots what to do.
That sounds like a pretty cool future, if you ask me.
I'm on board with that.
But only if we can have this massive 500 million, like basically global world war push
for educational reform.
Well, no, no, no.
Because what you're describing,
and I agree with you, right?
Like what you're describing is great.
And I'm really happy that you're pushing for that.
But even if we don't have that,
then you might just have like a lost generation in between.
But history eventually kind of still balances things out. That's just human nature and the nature of markets and the nature of people,
right? Even if it might take a few generations, I guess I'm taking a bit more of a
zoomed out perspective here. And what you're describing is a way of avoiding more of that
pain in the interim period, which I think is very important. I think that's great and really
important work. And I'm glad you're bringing these subjects to attention.
I'm not even pushing for it.
I'm just genuinely trying to find it
because I'm just trying to see how we can thread the needle.
Because that's not much market cap and equities
and other stuff really matter.
Even gold's value has much less value
in kind of like an artificial super intelligence future.
And if you talk to these guys that have, you know, the big AI experts, what they tell you in public versus what they'll tell you behind closed doors is very, very different.
And you probably had those conversations, Justin, as well.
That's why I'm saying like, you know, in public public they're very super optimistic because obviously they pump their bags but uh closed doors um there's a reason why people you
know are acting much more uh self-interested at the when you're when they already have 50 200
million dollar plus net liquid which is pretty you know it seems insane it's their job to be self-interested in that case so can't blame them too much yeah but um yeah if anyone knows any uh educational or pushes or
companies that are doing that let me know already good ai companies in general that are i think one
of the best things we can do and also as influencers is encourage people like like what uh you know Brooklyn Brawler did today and and
like encourage people to educate themselves and to push themselves to be better people and to apply
themselves and be more competitive I think I think there's something deeper there I think it's also
the reason why some cultures are more successful than other cultures, right? There is something to say about values.
And I think that's what we can do as influencers, push these values.
I mean, I think if people are agile and are thinking for themselves and take initiative,
then we don't need as many, say, centralized efforts to kind of correct this problem.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Self-education is the way
make it cool make uh education cool again kind of falling off yeah i couldn't agree
i think a lot of people that want to become influencers just like a lot of people that
want to become actors um that once they arrive at the beginning they realize it's actually not
what they want what they really want was the freedom to the freedom that comes along with being an actor or an influencer, being able to kind of live life on your on your and everything in between is because they, they still have that,
those adults still have the, the, the sense kind of the, the, the, um,
what do you call it? The, the, the aura of what it was to be a child.
They're having fun. Well, they're having fun. Yeah. Right. Like exactly.
They're just, they're just adults having fun. Exactly. Justin,
they keep things brief. And so I think, yeah, I think a lot of people I mean, I don't know what the answer is, but I do think we need to move away from and robots and AI will certainly help us do that.
Move away from having human beings doing doing these mundane, repetitive tasks that are really just soul sucking.
mundane, repetitive tasks that are really just soul-sucking. And you can always make comparisons
and say, well, 100 years ago, or when the Industrial Revolution was happening, you had
kids in sweatshops. So the kids today should be very appreciative of not having to be locked in
a sweatshop and working for 12 hours a day in New York City, while there may or may not have been a
fire downstairs that may or may not get put out.
I think this is a weird thing to do.
It's a weird thing to compare today with 100 years ago and say, be grateful.
What we should be doing is examining how human beings and society should evolve. We can both be like like we can both be grateful we can both
be grateful for the amazing time we live in and look forward yeah yeah no of course yeah i'm gonna
i'm gonna just i'm gonna i'm gonna also grab the tail end of your comment there uh no and also say
like yeah some of the countries in this world where you have the greatest number of college
graduates and highly educated you know know, post post grad degree
having people are also the same countries where there is still child labor in in, say, like the
Nike, the Nike factory or the Foxconn factory. So it's not some huge claim to fame to have some
of the most educated population when you're still exploiting
children. So it is a very nuanced topic. When you bring in the subject of automation,
and when you bring the subject of how the current population is going to live
with automation as a reality, frankly, living in one of the most wealthy nations of the world,
the United States, one of the biggest consuming nations of the world, we have a very special advantage in that we have really fine tastes.
And as automation rises to help meet those tastes, we'll benefit in a way that many other countries will not because they haven't experienced the lifestyle that U.S. citizens have experienced, broadly speaking. You can be of the lowest
socioeconomic rung of the ladder in the United States and live better than many middle upper
class people in third world countries. So it's by a certain measure. So man, it gets into an ethical rat's nest of topics
when you start to, again, think more deeply than just two questions in.
Yeah, I couldn't agree more, Seth.
It does get quite nuanced as you go deeper down the rabbit hole.
I think this is a good stopping point.
I appreciate everyone coming on,
and it was nice to have the Brooklyn Brawler
throw in a beautiful inspirational speech.
Wasn't expecting that one.
Going forward, I think might be doing broader topics.
I don't know yet.
I think the show has gotten to an interesting point
where I still enjoy hosting it.
I just think that there might be more important things to talk about
other than just what's happening in crypto and what the latest developments are.
Because we do seem, and Justin might have some suggestions.
Ryan Berkman, who was here for a little bit, and Justin as well, they tell me there's plenty of stuff to be talking about. There's plenty of stuff to be excited about, and maybe I'm just not looking in the right places. So maybe we'll chat offline and see what we can spin up for future topics.
for educational purposes only.
Nothing is financial advice.
I tried to prevent the shilling earlier,
but the Big Red account is a perfect example
of how you can come up with a meme coin account
or a token account
and not actually shill the project
while also getting exposure by saying intelligent things.
So yeah, thank you guys.
And we'll see you again next week soon.
Take care. Bye-bye.
