This shit makes me want to, uh, take another 3 month hiatus from here for the prices.
No, I'm not even joking, bro.
That's how annoying that is.
Yup, definitely been there before.
What sucks is that I already shilled the previous spaces in, like, 3 group chats.
So if I did it again, I'm just an asshole, so I'm like, I can't do that anymore, either.
Yeah, well, guys, support Ruto, support us, post out the space, tweet the space, DM it.
I just damped a few of my friends, our friends, our new friends, so we'll see what comes of
Um, yeah, that's, it's unfortunate, a thousand percent, but unfortunately there's, there's
Ruto, it'll be funny, tomorrow morning you're probably gonna go check it out, and it's
gonna work, and you might as well just start it tomorrow morning again, like, just name
Cause people already RSVP'd.
No, this is my last Twitter space, I'm literally quitting hosting Twitter spaces after this,
so just shout out to TDA for helping us host the last three, I'm sick of it, I'm so sick
I was like, yo, let's run some impromptu spaces, these usually turn out well, we did
the impromptu spaces, and they were like, okay, like, they weren't terrible, and then
I actually planned one, a little bit in advance, got, you know, got a pretty decent amount
of reminder set, and then sure enough, Elon was like, nah, you're good on that, Ruto,
Um, let's get back to, let's get back to what we were talking about, Matt, what's
I know you mentioned earlier that you're just chilling, it seems as though you've
had a long day of spaces as well, what else is going on?
Not really a whole lot, um, I mean, obviously you guys know we're talking with Luca tomorrow,
but other than that, it's like the only other cool thing, I guess, that's happening so
far, other than that, it's just client meetings and telling people and wrestling them down
What was the, how was the process of, because Luca's actually, he's relatively open to doing
like interviews and stuff like that, but I know it's not like entirely the easiest
person to get a hold of, so what was that process like, and what are you looking forward
So the process was basically, we got him on one of our spaces during the whole, like
when I was running my own spaces for a minute, we got him on for an interview, basically did
well with the interview and asked unique questions, so he was like, hey, you know, I'd
love to talk with you guys again, kind of told him a little bit about what we're doing
behind the scenes, um, before, you know, before we went public or whatever, and, uh,
we just set it up for a follow-up conversation through his, uh, through his, like, assistant,
so it worked out pretty good.
It was, it was pretty seamless, but it takes time, right?
Like, cause you're working through somebody to get their schedule, like somebody else's
So I was the only rough part.
Do you, do you have, like, do you have questions ready to go already?
Bossa, Bossa, you know, I, I, I did the BD work, right?
And then I, and then I handed the keys over to the, uh, to the kingdom to bossa and I was
like, Hey, listen to your, put the show together.
Let's you know, let's talk about some commonalities that we have, you know, let's focus on some
topics that we can both, you know, kind of, um, go through.
And then we also got, uh, Leon coming from unfungible tomorrow.
So should be, I should be a good one.
That's going to be a really dope one.
Andrew is excited to top in there as well.
Oh, I have a space with Steve tomorrow with, with Steven Scott from a 16 Z with the book.
Well, listen, Matt, if you want to stop being friends with Andrew, then like I, I'm totally,
uh, I'm totally on with that as well.
We'll have like, we'll have some, we'll have some panel room, so we're keeping it pretty
It's not a lot of come though.
I don't know if anyone else, welcome, brutal.
There's something, there's something about me I need you to know, uh, which is that I
could dish it, but I can't take it.
I think, uh, I think breads wants to talk about marketing again.
So did you not know I was, I literally do marketing all day.
I was like, why does this guy know so much technical shit?
Uh, and then I found out behind the bozo.
I'm going to say, I'm going to say, let's see if he shows up, let's see.
So we can just get, so we can just get absolutely wrecked with knowledge.
I think he would, I think he would show up.
I think he would show up.
Honestly, he's been super, super active on spaces lately, much more than I've seen
And it's actually been really surprising to see actually, um, it's super cool though.
Um, I just want to give a huge shout out to everyone who tuned in tonight.
We had some technical difficulties at the start.
The old Twitter space link, rugged.
That seems to be a common theme lately with spaces, which is totally fine.
But I do want to say thank you guys for tuning in.
Huge shout out to everyone who's up here, um, speaking for the topic tonight.
I wrote on the original tweet and I say, I said, um, I says,
I said that GM, I'm building a project.
What's the best advice you give someone starting from scratch if they want to compete with
And so the question at hand really is I hear a lot of people who give takes on like, okay,
this project did that, that's bad.
This project is doing well because of XYZ.
But then I always think to myself, okay, if I were to start a project and if I wanted
to start a project, let's say in the next, you know, six to eight months, um, and I wanted
to build it from scratch.
I wanted to hear from a lot of people, what their thoughts were on kind of the process
and really try to get a better understanding of like people's a experience or be what their
opinion on the matter, like what they might be wanting to do on that side as well.
Because I think it's just super interesting.
Everyone has an opinion about how projects should operate or like, what's a good one?
So I wanted to have like a really a room full of people kind of giving their own personal
And then I, you know, I could throw in mind here and there as well.
Yeah, I think it's gonna be an interesting conversation.
I don't know if it's gonna be a good one, but I'm hoping it is.
So what's going on, Andrew?
I wanted to say what's up to you.
If you guys don't know the homie Andrew already, I'm sure you do this, this goddamn flightless
bird is all over the timeline lately on every single spaces that I've seen for the last
like two weeks, mega bullish, Andrew, my brother, how you doing, man?
I will say this, the flapping is definitely an effect.
And I will keep using that word, the flapping for however long we are flapping for good
Um, everyone, please, please retweet the room.
There's only nine reposts and there's 29 people in here.
It's not my floor today, but some of that doesn't really add up.
We'd appreciate it if you guys put out the space and we will get started soon.
As we said, we would love your guys opinion, your feedback on how to build a project from
And Ruto, I assume the theme is obviously within web three, right?
Yeah, I'm not going to go down the rabbit hole of like, you know, micro sass products
or like, you know, e-commerce stuff.
That's a whole other animal and it's yeah, we're not going to go down that road.
But don't, but I will say if you were going to start a web three product and let's say
it's like a character IP based one, a PFP, whatever, and part of your like roadmap or something
that you wanted to do and it was like, build software within the project or like whatever.
Then sure, we could talk about that too, but yeah, we're not going to do like e-commerce
Unless Luca comes up here and then he's like, yo, let me spit some straight fire drop shipping
And then I got you and I was like, okay, yeah, let's turn this into that.
But yeah, anyways, I'm rambling already.
I want to pass it on to the homie breads and say, what's up, breads, how you doing, man?
You've also been absolutely crushing with spaces lately.
You have, you hosted a really spicy one last night, actually, I'm glad you made it
Um, are you talking about two nights ago, not to make sure I get confused, but I don't even
If I get confused, oh, X bread a lot.
So I want to make sure, you know, you got to, um, yeah, we're talking about like Jeremy
Listen, I don't know if that was spicy, but, um, you know, that's if that's considered
Then yeah, I think that one.
Well, it was a great, yeah, honestly, it was one of the best spaces I've ever attended.
Just know that I've, what was that?
You're like, should I change the title?
Dude, I don't even remember the first title, that shit was so long and I was like, please
It was like interoperability to the structure of TXN transactions, transactions, some shit
Uh, listen, I'm just here to learn how to be a founder.
Uh, I just want to build a project from scratch and I just don't know.
So I'm here for Chulo and that's really all I have to say about that.
Cause you just asked the question.
Um, I really want to be a founder and I want to build one from scratch and I don't know
That's, that's, I think that's a question that a lot of people have, man.
And so that's hopefully what I was trying to do.
I even tagged a bunch of founders, but you know what, they're probably sitting around.
They're like, Oh, well, you know that he never started the space.
I don't see a space started because the last one rugs, but you know what?
I'm not going to keep it hammering on that cause it's just going to bother me and I'm
going to have to put in another zen in and I, I don't have time for that.
I was actually, Oh, sorry.
Well, I'm just going to say quickly.
Yeah, well, I get, I get left.
I don't know about you guys, but, um, my entire career, I don't think I've been ghosted more
Um, yeah, it really is a detriment to my mental health.
Yeah, I look at the list of the founders you tagged some of them.
I have some questions for, uh, hopefully they can answer the questions.
I was just honestly curious to know from a web three perspective from the founders that
you tagged, um, how to scale a software products.
About many software products on industry and like Google speech is not one of them.
I want to know how you guys scale it.
It's like just out of curiosity.
Our software product is actually a customized notion template.
Um, and so yeah, we're really going to scale that out.
We're going to put cool gifts on it and it's going to sell like hotcakes on it.
Only the, only the, I guess the, you know, the OGs know what we're talking about here.
Can we, can we continue the rest of the space like this where we have to answer generalities
and not talk about a single topic?
I think it would be pretty interesting.
Like we just, we have enough smart people on the listening board where we could dodge
the effective questions with slight insult pretty well, I think.
I believe it to be able to do that.
I think we could honestly do it.
Um, I'm feeling a little fidgety though.
I just recently had tried to stop, um, nicotine and like smoking babes.
Cause I was like, listen, I looked at myself in the mirror, blew a fat, a fat cloud.
And I'm like, you're, you're a grown adult now.
Um, I think we got to put this down 2024 seems like a good way to do it.
But I'm 24 hours deep into it and I have been rubbing my shoulders.
Um, it's like 72 degrees in my, my, my place and it feels like it's 50.
So we're just riding tonight.
Um, we're really trying to push through, we're really trying to push through this shit right
So this is your support line.
Yeah, no, no, I, I literally need you guys, um, so that I don't relapse.
So this is, this is great, but I do, you know what, I do want to pass the mic over
to my good friend, Sal Sal.
Um, we have been on a trillion spaces lately as well.
Um, I thought, you know what, I only came here because Andrew said that he's changing
the space to behind the bozo.
Everybody's naming their spaces behind the something, but like behind the bozo, like
like I'm sold, um, dude, I'm, I feel like, you know, one hour is like a thousand years
and discord slash web three days.
And I'm just like, I'm beat, but I came out here tonight cause I saw all the homies in
You're actually, you picked a really good topic because this is actually quite attainable
in web three, but I will say some stuff later on that I feel like could be some pretty
Um, but just because it works for a certain project in, I guess builders, it doesn't really
So, you know, should I change the title to, should I change the title to I'm starting
No, I like behind the bozo for sure.
And then, yeah, then we just switch and it's just, um, it's just breads and Matt hosting
Are you taking shots bro?
They were supposed to be in direct, not direct.
I mean, I'm pretty much, I'm breads.
Do you want to go do your own space with me?
I literally don't have any friends and I need okay.
Uh, yeah, Matt, I think that might sound, uh, pretty good, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
That was, that was great breads.
I'm going to pass it over to Chulo, Chulo, my brother, man.
I've noticed you've been a lot more active lately and it warms, it warms my little ruto
Hey, I'm doing good, man.
Um, look, I felt for the clickbait ruto.
Um, I really liked the space title and I was like, Oh, like I want to talk about this
is a good topic to talk about.
Um, so just excited to hear what people say.
Yeah, I just put at the end advice because yeah, I'm just going to let everyone know that
I'm building an NFT project and um, yeah, I just want to hear people's advice on this to
Uh, I want to go over to phase and say, what's up.
And then I think let's honestly, like, let's actually, let's hop into this.
Like I actually genuinely want to hear people's advice and just cause I know we have some
people even up here who have experience with it.
Just came to get whitelist for your new project.
So let me know when that drops.
There's actually no whitelist.
Um, I'm doing, okay, I got to stop doing it.
No, listen, I'm sick and tired of this.
I come, I'm in your discord.
I'm making fan art on their 24 seven and like when whitelist literally, I'm fucking sick
So I'm going to tell you guys right now, okay, cause I actually want to dive into this now.
Um, I have truly considered building an NFT project or starting an NFT project for probably
I think I legitimately had multiple discussions.
We used to have like little brainstorm sessions.
We used to talk about this over and over.
So this all started probably early 2022.
I've been an NFT since middle of 2021.
Um, and I have thought this through multiple times.
I have literally, I have literally gone to my loved ones and family and have brought
it up as well throughout the last couple of years.
And I have been sitting on the sidelines watching at this point, what feels like thousands
I have analyzed research, deep dived into successes, failures, um, I've researched founders and
marketing strategies and drip campaigns and different types of creatives.
And I've always thought that this time would come sooner than later.
And maybe those listening in, if you're not listening in, then maybe you'll hear it later.
But I think I'm going to say that I want to start one this year.
I think that's, that's the goal of mine.
So go ahead, Andrew, what are your thoughts, man?
What do you got off your chest?
The first one, have you ever released something before?
And are you okay with the stigma of releasing one and then having to kind of bear that
Cause it is a burden to certain extent after you, if you, if when you release something.
No, I, so it's funny that you asked that because I have been brought, people have proposed starting
projects with me multiple, multiple, multiple times, um, in the last couple of years.
And I have always said no, because, uh, I told myself, I never wanted any sort of background
or past that people can look to and be like, well, you did this and it was a failure.
So like, why should we trust you with this?
Um, and so I never did that.
I don't have any projects.
I've never did any of that, any of that, literally nothing.
So I've even watched what I said, man, because like, there's no one that really knows me
IRL here except for a few people.
Um, and like, I'm very, for the most part, like politically correct.
I curse a lot, but that's because I'm Colombian and I was raised by a bunch of Colombian
Like that's just in me, but I don't say anything that's like wildly offensive.
I don't talk shit to people.
I don't like, you know, talk behind people's backs.
I don't do none of that stuff, um, because I thought that this day could potentially come
if it were, if it were to happen.
Yeah, I've also asked myself that question too in the mirror for times, if I would
ever start something and the answer for me has always been no, um, I won't start something
I think I've also told bread this that I wouldn't do it unless I know it's almost kind of a shoe
If I wouldn't be top 30 with my current team, current knowledge base, current everything,
And right now at this moment, I can confidently say, do I think I'd be 30 all time NFTs
at this moment right now here today?
With that, with that conviction that I wouldn't be, I wouldn't bother starting it.
I'd rather assist the space with infrastructure than start something because we don't need
So that's kind of where I'm at with this.
I mean, you know, everyone's got their own take.
This is just me speaking.
That's a, that's a point.
That last one is a banger.
Like I don't want to be a founder.
Like I don't think we need more projects.
And I couldn't agree with that more.
And so yeah, I don't take something like this, like very lightly.
And that's why I've always said it.
And I've said this on multiple spaces recorded ones, where people will come up on stage
like, yeah, we're starting this project, like you guys should check it out.
You know, we've all been there, right?
A random like no name project, no one's ever heard of, they come up on stage and try to
And then they're like, what do you guys think you should check us out?
And I'm like, and I'm usually brutally honest.
I'm like, look, dude, like I appreciate the show.
But I've told people time and time again, why on earth would you want to start a project
unless you're doing it for fun.
It's like, you know, it's just you and your friends and like, you're not looking to make
millions of dollars, there's like 500 of them and it's like free mint or something like that.
But to me, it's like, why would you ever want to start something if you don't want to or
plan to be the best or at least in the discussion like walking amongst giants like that's maybe
that's just the competitive nature in me, grown up, but I don't I refuse to start
something, build something, do anything unless I'm really good at it and will be good at it.
So I'm the same boat as you, man.
I've literally thought about this for like years and years.
Like the thing is, it's scary because you know, the whole Zagabond thing I feel for him,
like what happened obviously sucks, whether he did or he did not.
But the fact that it came to blow up in his face is never a positive thing.
And you know, maybe he's deployed three projects before.
Obviously, people think he has.
And that's obviously what matters too.
But I mean, imagine real being here for the next five years, because we're super early
into this, and you release something and it doesn't go away in corner plan.
And then your corporate job because eventually the space is gonna go full time corporate.
It just is the natural progression of business, right?
And they're gonna say brutal.
So in 2023, you launched something or 2024, you launched something, I forgot the year,
and it did this, and you didn't fall through with it, and it sucked.
So is your experience in marketing actually that good if your project four years ago sucked
Like, if you're a good marketer, you hope you can market a product.
When I buy a book, right?
In the books about marketing, and there's fucking four reviews, I'm like, this person know what
the fuck he's talking about?
There's four reviews, right?
If you're good at marketing, your book would have more than fucking four reviews on it,
You talk about in the book to market your actual book, right?
And I had a discussion with someone lately, I'm not gonna tell like name their names,
but they on a social media platform, they had in their bio, like web3marketer.
And they came to me saying that they wanted to sell a course on like web3 marketing, or
starting a web3 based podcast.
And then so I asked them like, okay, well, what experience do you have with web3?
If I were to ask you, what are the top, you know, 10 projects upcoming?
And who are their founders?
And I was like, okay, have you ever built any web3 products or been part of teams that have
done so they're like, no.
And so I was like, okay, well, why on earth would you try to sell a product about being
like an expert on something when you've not done any of those things?
And so they're like, well, that's what I'm trying to do.
I'm trying to build experience with it.
Okay, so you kind of see my point here that I would never want to go down the route.
And to your point, I think if you go and try to build a web3 project, and it does relatively
decent, as in like it's gotten a ton of eyes on it, you've been able to scale out socials,
you were part of the planning and execution from ideation to execution of like, multiple
things from design to, you know, implementation, all of that is like a net positive, right?
So like, if you're going to talk to a company, and they saw that you did something decently
substantial, all the experience you gain from that would actually be good.
But again, if it's trash, and it's terrible, and you got flooded, and people called you
a scammer, then obviously, that's not good either.
But I'm rambling now, I want to pass it to breads breads, what's your take on everything?
Uh, everything, I don't know if I could bullet down this quick.
But I, I wanted to get a little guidance on how you want to approach the conversation.
Do you want to have this as like, you know, people giving you advice asking you questions?
Because I mean, you know, the first thing for me is kind of like, what your why, you
know, what, why do you want to have a project?
And that's such an essential aspect of it's like, the most important thing about a project
is the founder, most important thing about a founder is his motivation.
So I, you know, I don't know if you wanted to just have tidbits of advice, or, you know,
maybe we could start talking about, oh, okay, what do you want to do?
Oh, how do you go about doing this?
Here's where you should go.
So yeah, that's what I like.
I like both routes, to be honest.
And I think me being in a seat where people ask me those questions, I think that's beneficial
for anyone listening as well.
And then on top of that, if you want to go down the route of like, okay, well, let's
say, and I'm going to pretend to be kind of naive with all this, just for the sake of like,
you know, educational purposes.
So like, if I wanted to say, well, breads, maybe you have a little bit of experience,
like what would be your advice, if I just, where do I start?
Like what would be, what would be step one, if I wanted to build a project?
And again, I'm going to come from this angle as like someone really naive, just for the
But then if you had any actual questions, like, well, Ruto, if you generally want to
start a project, like, where would you start?
Or, you know, what were, what are the top three?
Like everything you just said.
I think that's kind of the direction I want to go.
Hopefully that helped answer your question.
And I think this kind of conversation might be hard to have with so many people
involved because you're going to get to throw it over to all the hands.
But really, you're the one who's going to be like answering these questions.
So I like I'll just, you know, I'll ask you and then I'll let you decide how you
want to run it, but I'd love to hear, you know, what's your why and what are you
trying to accomplish or how are you trying to accomplish your why?
Because I think that'll influence how you, you know, you start from the inside
I think, I think for me, my why would be, and maybe anyone else could answer
this too, if just hypothetically, maybe even Matt, Matt's the founder himself.
So I would love to hear his why.
For me, my why is I have worked professionally for almost a decade.
I have worked full time in Web3 for since 2021.
I have seen projects come and go.
I have been part of Web3 startups time and time again as well.
And I've kind of come to the point in my career where I love building products
and I love being part of teams and stuff like that.
But I've also never really truly worked at like, let's call it like a dream job.
And even if I did, I marinated all this a little bit.
Even if I did, I would always feel as though I'm just helping build someone
else's dream, if that makes sense.
And so if I wanted to start a project, I want to because A, I feel like
I'm competent enough to do it, but also B, because I have this creative
outlet that is so like, easy for people to come into with with Web3.
And I think building out like either a character IP or just a brand in general,
like a branded product from scratch in Web3 just sounds like a shit
ton of fun and something I feel as though I could be pretty good at.
And ultimately, my goal would be just to add another, you know,
good project to a list of like a shrinking list of projects
that are kind of fizzling out.
I don't know if that's a good enough why.
Maybe I need to write one down and just stare at it every single day
for whenever someone asked me this question.
I'm very conscious of when founders it.
I think there's like a it's very easy to get enamored with the founder life.
And I hear founders talk about all the time how bad and hard it is.
But from the outside, looking in, you know, it's glamorous.
You're in the spotlight in Web3.
And I'm always very conscious of founders who say
and I'm not talking about you, but I'm talking about, you know,
when I when I do talk to founders who say, you know, I think I could do it
and I could do something different.
But to me, that's not a good enough like found it like you need
a foundational interest of like even just like improving the space.
You know, OK, great. But how do you want to do that?
You know, yeah, I have a bigger why.
But I can't like I'm trying to answer it without giving.
Let's just say like giving away exactly what it is I wanted to do,
So I definitely have a why that's probably stronger,
that it's a better answer than me being like, I think I could be good at this.
So, yeah, I'm just trying not to be like give too much information about it.
And then people like hold me to certain shit, if that makes sense.
So. But yeah, that's good, dude.
Andrew, what do you got, man?
And then I want to pass it over some hands.
Yeah, my thing is more of a statement opposed to a question.
Breds, those are amazing questions.
I think overall founders that are listening to this as well, not just up here,
need to document what you just said.
I do want to say, though, Ruto, so we you and I have a tendency
and sometimes, you know, Matt, as well, we say the quiet thing out loud
when it needs to get said for the right reason.
So we'll ask questions that people need to be asked, especially during AMA's,
which obviously people do respect because they are respectful questions
But, Ruto, like being a founder, you probably
maybe in the future wouldn't have liberty to those things.
Whereas a founder in my head acts like the quarterback of a team.
You can't say certain things.
You have to watch what you say and be more careful.
Imagine if you're a founder and you're taking shots
or asking questions about XYZ founders gaming products or their IP brand
or their scaling of this or their fake software or whatever it is.
You probably now are going to be under some heat
and your project takes a backlash because of it.
The way that a quarterback would not say those things about, you know,
another quarterback, another team, another division,
because those things come back and haunt you.
But other than that, though, I mean, it's always tons of discussion.
Yeah, dude, that's and trust me, I feel as though if you did want to start a project,
if anyone did, I feel like it would be worthwhile to like hire someone
to go back and look through either tweets or pretty much all socials.
I think hiring like someone who handles PR shit.
I was going to say that, too.
Yeah, that's super important, man, because do you guys remember Last Bull Cycle
where like these founders were coming out and like maybe it was a hype myth
and then people found tweets or Facebook comments
of like them saying the wildest shit ever
and then completely flooded the project, basically, to do like I got Canada.
I mean, you got you got socially got canned
a month ago for some racist claims on his ex.
Dude, yeah, that was crazy because they said all that shit
like not even that long ago, like it was like three years ago.
Yeah, it was like two years ago or something wild and they still got hired.
So, yeah, I'm not saying that I have said any crazy racial stuff
or anything like that, because I definitely never have.
But yeah, you would say if you're a project founder,
definitely try and hire someone or bring someone in
who might be able to like comb through some of your socials
to make sure that when you were like 14 years old,
you didn't say something wild on Myspace or something.
But yeah, let's go pass it over to Sal
and then to Chulo and then over to Bitcoin, man.
Yeah, I do. I wanted to actually comment.
I had a random space last night with Andrew
and I was like the truth of Andrew Forte.
You all remember that shit when like in the bull run, everyone just
if you wanted to find a founder, you just had a space.
The truth of this person, the truth behind like it was just so toxic.
Anyways, I thought that was kind of funny.
I wanted to actually say something, Ruto, I think you definitely
I think you are more than capable.
I've seen your skill set since I started the space and like 21 with you.
I've seen your skill set since then.
And I do think that you would be really good for as a founder.
I mean, it's kind of crazy
just to see a lot of founders that actually are not ready.
Like the more that I had calls with them, the more I realize
I don't really understand the expectation of what it takes to be a founder of Web3.
And I'm only saying that because it's not like Web2.
Like you have to realize things are really it's really small here.
You're all you're dealing with cryptocurrency.
You know, everything what you say is literally recorded.
What you say, everyone's just keeping tabs on you. Right.
And one thing you also have to consider is I think like being a founder
just when I'm seeing other people is like just the added to ability.
Like shit just change changes here in one month.
Like one month is equivalent to like a year.
What actually happens in like Web2.
But yeah, I think that's like I think I mean, even advice.
I mean, like if there was one piece of advice I'd give to anyone,
I think that you have to be realistic with your your output, because I mean,
I've had founders be like, we want to launch a gaming project
and it's going to come next year. Next year's you buy.
Like people are not going to be interested in your product.
You know, you don't have the funds like what are you going to do?
But yeah, I think that's like I think that a lot of founders
don't realize like you're selling out, you're you're you're creating something
that is answering the problem to something.
And that's that's every found every founder is creating a project
or a business because they are solving an issue.
And that's how they make money.
It's very simple. But I mean, you can't just have you can have great ideas.
But like there's a lot of people have great ideas, but it's not realistic.
Yeah, there's also a bit of luck that goes into it, too, because let's say
you had a bad idea, but you were the right place, right time.
Even that can still work out.
We've seen that time and time again.
We've seen amazing products or ideas or services
that were launched at the wrong time.
And those don't do very well either, you know.
And then sometimes lightning strikes and you're in the right place
at the right time with a great product, a great brand service.
And everything just works out amazingly.
So yeah, timing and luck definitely play a huge substantial role
in any single business, to be honest.
So I think it's definitely a good take for sure.
So I want to pass over to Chulo, my brother, go for it, man.
So I want to go back to Brett's question about why.
I think what's important, too, that, you know, we haven't really touched on,
is to inspire people in the in like all like every in every aspect that we do.
Right. So like the reason we're here, we like we somehow
were inspired to get into Web 3.
Right. So like me personally, like Borde of Yacht Club is what caught my attention.
And then a few of my artist friends telling me.
Right. And they inspired me in a way.
Right. By like just showing off their art and then in a way like bringing
a community within themselves. Right.
But I don't want to focus on the community aspect of everything.
I think inspiration is important, especially since like the product is the NFT,
which is like the art behind it. Right.
That's what most people are selling.
And so, yeah, you know, inspiration goes a long way.
And like, you know, trying to be remembered for something that you create
in the space is important. That's why we like.
That's why what is it called?
Like CryptoPunks has like such a lasting legacy here.
And same with Borde of Yacht Club. Right.
Like I think they inspired everything that's come
and they'll only continue to inspire to do better. Right.
And even like this this hate and love that they get from other people,
it's like let's just focus on the hate for a second,
because obviously love inspires everybody.
But the hatred people have for these projects make people want to do better.
Right. So I think like hand in hand inspiration from hate or love is amazing.
So, yeah, that's my take.
No, that's good. And I think what you said really resonated with me.
In my opinion, I think the best products, services or whatever it may be.
It it's all about experience. Right.
Whether it solves a problem for you, then that you have a good experience with it.
Or if it's just like a brand, right?
If you just enjoy purchasing stuff from a company because you enjoy the brand,
you enjoy the experience that you get from being part
or being associated with that brand.
That's the reason why, you know, your your your favorite.
As a kid, you liked wearing certain shoes or certain brands or your favorite.
You got a favorite Pokemon or whatever it was. Right.
It's because all these products or brands instill a sense of like emotion
So that's definitely part of the process of building out good products,
even if it is just like an entity.
So I love that you said that and legacy more than anything.
Like, I think it's really hard for someone
to really like ingrain their name within the Web3 space.
I think right now it's the it's the best time to do it
because we are cheesy enough to say, but we are so early
that if you do build something existential, like your name is literally like etched
in the Web3 like history books moving forward.
You know, like I think in 10 years, we'll have a lot of people know who Lucca is.
A lot of people will know who Gordon Goner is.
Like a lot of people know these people are because they've established
like a legacy through a brand that they've built.
So I think that's definitely part of it, too.
I want to pass it over to Bitcoin, man.
I don't think we've ever spoken before,
but I appreciate you coming up here, man. How you doing?
So basically just want to start off with
the reason I'm here is because I guess this space popped up
because breads was talking.
I don't think I'd land here any other way.
And what he was talking about, though, why is
That's that's really the main focus right there.
You got to because without that, you're not going to have the direction.
But as for the advice, I would say for building an NFT project.
Don't like I'm not saying don't build on Web three.
But I just honestly, I'm sorry.
And if these have use cases, but like I ain't seeing them.
That's not what it's supposed to be about.
Like that's just the sad truth.
Like it's not that at all.
It's not useful like that, but it could be used for other things.
Like I can give you an example.
So like it could be used like, oh, you buy this
whatever clothing piece of clothing and now you have a certificate
that says, oh, it's legit.
That's your NFT. OK, that's cool.
You know, something like that.
And then like, oh, when you're trading it or whatever,
someone else might steal the shirt, but they're not the rightful owner.
So now it's like a black market thing or whatever.
So yeah, that's what I would say.
I would just say reconsider like and just like maybe it's hot or whatever.
But there's other ways you can build, you know, and block chain in the space.
So that's all I have to say.
I think that's I think that's an absolutely fair take, to be honest.
If you were to I think anyone who's ever asked me, even even like
my quote unquote normie friends, they're like, hey, I see cryptos doing good.
Or like, you know, I hear NFTs are kind of popping off again.
Like, you know, what's a good NFT I should buy?
I just tell them straight up like don't like I tell a lot of my friends
like don't buy any NFTs, man, if I could be completely honest with you,
I don't think you should unless it's of course it's like one of my friends
with incredibly disposable income, then I'll be like, sure, like you check these out.
But, you know, majority of people I would recommend not buying NFTs, to be honest.
And being a founder of one is even crazier to be like that's you're basically
walking in to probably the most stressful anxiety ridden like time of your life
by like willingly wanting to go and be a founder of a goddamn NFT collection.
Like, that's it's got to be the most insane thing to want to do.
And I want to actually ask Matt his position on that as to why all the bad things aligned.
What made you want to like ask yourself, should I start a project?
You know what? Yeah, I know this is going to suck kind of pretty bad, but I'm going to do it anyway.
A couple of different reasons for the most like personal reason for me was there's so much wrong
with this like evolutionary technology that like why can't we take it to new levels from a digital
collectible standpoint and why are slow like Nick and I phase down there have just talked about this.
It's just like why is there so many bad people here?
And why can't we show people how to move in the right direction with whatever they want to build?
Right. That's the number one thing for sure.
And then, of course, you know, like what we're working on specifically, we just saw a very large
opportunity in a basically dormant market that's being dominated by a single player.
Right. So obviously, in business, that's exactly what you look for.
But those are the two things that drive me is like, first, I know I can show somebody something
and if we can show what right looks like and we have more and more projects doing it the right way,
then hopefully the space continues to grow.
And we have people that are building, you know, more unique things than what even what we're doing.
Right. So I like the fact that we're early in the technology phase and the adoption phase.
Yeah, I think that's super fair.
I think you mentioned exactly what my thoughts were as well,
which was, I think there's something missing here.
And if we're looking at it from just like, you know, a business or marketing standpoint,
then filling in these gaps in like kind of niche markets is usually
tends to do well if you're like confident enough to execute on those things.
So like, I think you you said that pretty well as well, Matt.
But let's Andrew go for it, brother, your co-host, man.
So you can say and do whatever you want, to be honest.
I do want to be respectful to the hands as well, Matt.
The two things are not the two things that I would say is the first one is unpopular opinion.
I don't think, you know, everybody wants or needs to create a NFT or a token to change the direction
of where we're currently going.
If that's in your heart or hearts, do you do to feel compelled to do?
But same time, you don't need to do those things to change industry.
You can change industry in any way you'd like.
Content, education, you know, real software stuff, whatever it is, take your niche.
And then, you know, there's something that I do want to throw out here as well.
Obviously, you know that we're all pretty bullish up here on the creator economy.
I think it's just beginning.
I think the biggest brands next 25 years as a boomers kind of go away.
I mean, you know, their time's up, right?
Matt, it's the way of life.
We'll eventually get there too one day, but it's the way of life.
It's natural progression.
So you want your grandkids to be like, yeah, shoot, shoot.
I want my grandkids to be better than I was.
I want them to be better than me.
And they should, if we get that far, because, you know, evolution is always
continuing getting better.
But yeah, so creator economies will be big in the next 10 years.
Biggest brands are going to probably be creator-led.
Obviously, like, we've seen this now.
Creators that can create content are becoming business guys.
And then business guys like Matt and I are starting to create content.
So we're seeing that middle ground.
And I think if you can get in that line between the both of them,
you're absolutely going to dominate.
And I think Breds is also good at this too, because Breds and I
have had multiple conversations.
And he's pretty business savvy.
Like, I could say about Breds.
He's pretty business savvy.
He doesn't give the impression that he is, but I promise he is.
So guys like that, gals like that too, like Sal,
they kind of go that midline are going to scale.
And my question is, now after rambling a lot,
is that would you ever create not a project, but a token gated or a token
gated, like something for free that empowers your creator economy brand on the internet.
But they're like Ruto passes that become your true circle.
But they get access for XYZ things.
And it helps empower and jumpstart your creator brand for the next 25 years.
Because if I was to ever create something, it'd be free.
I'll even do it on a fucking polygon.
So it's $0.06 to mint it.
Want to complain about $0.06?
And then it empowers and jump starts my brand.
That's the way I would do it.
But I mean, obviously, Ruto, this question is for you.
And that kind of helped establish his community there.
And I think that's an incredible route to go.
But personally, I am not.
I don't think the goal of mine has ever been to like, OK, I
want to be like this next level content creator.
I want to build like I didn't want people to rally around me, for example.
Like I didn't want a community that was based around like me as like a person
or like the content I made.
I have found, especially recently in my career, that I genuinely love the ideation
and building process for products or brands.
And that's something I'm incredibly passionate about.
Me building a following on on X or Twitter or whatever is just like a byproduct
of me finding those interests and talking about it.
So like the fact that I have, you know, let's say 11,000 followers,
it's not because I've gone the route of like, OK, what am I going to tweet
today? That's going to give me 200 more followers.
Or like, how do I go about my day to scale my my my my reach?
Like, I don't ever go about making content for the sake of like gaining
popularity or like for vanity metrics.
I think I just speak my mind on things that are interesting to what I want
to learn about. And then I just for whatever reason gain followers because of it.
So when people I know like content creation is like a massive thing.
And I actually would would tell anybody if you wanted to network
and make a career or like do whatever out of it, content creation is like the
fastest way to do that and the best way to do that.
But I don't think necessarily anybody who's creating content just because
like they want more followers, I don't think those people are going to make it
to be honest. They're not.
They're not because they're they're in love with the vanity instead of being
in love with the game and the actual pursuit of pursuit of doing
when you're in love with the pursuit of doing.
I mean, the sky is is absolutely the limit.
And we're like the you're right.
The concept of being a creator is is now, I think, going to be more powerful
And I think people are obsessed with being a Web 3 content creator.
I'll kind of give you a quick news flasher.
If you guys didn't know your account past Web 3 is not going anywhere.
Web 3 can end in the next 10 years.
Your account is still going to exist on social media.
So you're going to still have that following of that empowerment of stuff
you've done the last 10 years.
So you should be creating content for the next 25 years of your life
and not just next six months because you want some fucking shitty brand
Like there's a complete different perspective shift.
And I think we need to get there.
Like I hope this empowers you guys start creating content for the next
25 years, which means you shouldn't be in a rush to go viral.
You do want to post about your life, though.
And I just think about the people who I who are my favorite people to follow
or like watch their quote unquote content.
Those people that are my favorite, they they make awesome content,
not because like they want to be a great content creator,
but more because the things that they talk about are important,
valuable or super interesting.
And if you notice the people who my favorite people to follow
with a ton of followers, let's say 80,000, 150,000,
they're literally never on Twitter spaces.
They don't make, you know, they don't make pretty pictures with like,
you know, GM's and stuff like that.
Like my and I'm not bashing those people will do that
because I think it's fucking dope still and you're having fun.
But I think my favorite people are the ones who are just doing
really important or valuable shit.
And that's why they have a lot of followers.
But yeah, let's get let's pass it around the room
because I'm curious to hear people's thoughts on just everything.
I want to pass it to Sal.
Actually, Sal might even make you co-host
because I don't know what happened at TDA.
I think they saw that I was going to make a project.
They're like, dude, get out of here.
We're not associating with you anymore.
I'm sure Expresso is probably just dizzy right now.
Well, let's get a glitch because you know,
glitches that every time you turn into that was smooth.
The truth about Sal, go for it.
Someone changed the damn title.
I do love what you said here.
Well, actually, let's rewind it back.
The first thing that someone talked about was,
I think it was Bitcoin man.
When he spoke about how NFTs shouldn't be the main focus,
I mean, I think that in the bull run,
we created a whole toxic area where it's like,
the NFT was the primary product.
And now we're actually reversing it now in this market
where it's like, it should be the secondary asset
They can, like, I know a lot of people,
I think a lot of people are starting to just wanting
to be collectors because they just generally
want to be part of the project
or just want to be part of different projects,
wherever you are as an investor.
But yeah, I don't think it should be the main focus.
I don't know why people still adopt that,
but a lot of projects still do.
I know, like, they tried to do like,
oh yeah, you know, it's IP driven, which is great,
but it's really tricky to be on that.
You're not like at that phase yet.
I think like your project would have to be at like,
you know, stage 100 for you to actually adopt
Then the second thing I wanted to talk about
was the content creation comment.
I agree with that with Andrew as well.
It's like, I think that, I mean, this is a hot take.
Not everyone is a content creator, right?
You can create content, but there's a lot of people
that are just like farming engagement.
Like, I quit my job, blah, blah, blah.
No, you're like, that's not content.
That's just words, you know what I'm saying?
Because if you're not having a real plan
when it comes to content creation,
it's really hard to just like,
you're just going to find yourself in a loop
because you're getting hopium from all the likes
And like, you will get more engagement for sure.
I actually think most people get more engagement,
but I mean, it's like, what are you going to do
Like you have to have a real call to action.
That dopamine hits though, baby.
I'm not, I can see why people want to be content creators
because you post something nonchalantly
and then the likes just start flying.
You have goddamn 20 retweets.
You got 30 comments and 200 likes.
You're like, God damn, that feels good.
I don't know why we're like, why are we built like that?
That satisfaction you get.
It's just it's the validation thing, right?
It's like, okay, the likes equal validation
that the things you said are like cool,
And that's just always so funny to me
how a lot of us operate like that.
I think we could all honestly say the truth
that the likes feel good.
And for those of you who have your hand raised,
you can speak if you want to.
As long as we're not like getting crazy,
like if you have a take, I'd love to hear from you.
So if anything, I'll just pass it over to,
let's go to Bitcoin, man.
You're about to speak over, brother.
Yeah, so I just wanted to say basically
First of all, what you were talking about
makes me feel bad for y'all.
Damn, like who cares about damn likes and shit.
I'm just like, and I'm going to talk about something
because it's related to content creation.
And then I'm going to tie it back to the advice bit
because I think there's a lot you can learn
from this platform and leverage it from it.
So basically, what I was talking about
was basically something called Hive.
It's a blockchain, social blockchain.
And basically on there, when people like your things,
comments, whatever, your post, you earn Hive.
And then whatever, that's worth money.
You can exchange it for Bitcoin and you.
And there's a lot of other stuff that the chain offers
that help you do a lot of crazy shit.
Number one is something called free banking.
I don't know if you guys are familiar with that, really.
But what free banking is, is it a concept
that basically says that anyone should have
the right to mint their own currency or whatever.
Obviously, in this case, it would be a cryptocurrency
And then the market determines what's good money
So Hive lets people make tokens on the chain.
And the other thing is they don't have transaction fees.
There are fees, but it gets covered by new money
or new tokens that are printed.
And there's resource credits.
And anyway, there's a lot to it.
But there's a lot that you can learn from that
and leverage and use in communities.
So for instance, I can tell you about
a project that I want to do it.
So I want to make like a little charity, basically,
and then help people in Nigeria and other countries
that don't have a lot of opportunities.
And I got a scam and shit because I ain't got no jobs.
And just like offer them an opportunity
And basically, people can donate to this.
Well, look, Bitcoin, man.
Because it says in your bio, you're a content creation coach.
So if you're talking to people
who are interested in content creation
or they want to grow their following,
okay, give me your two best pieces of advice for them.
First of all, you have to figure out
what you're trying to do with your content.
So that would be the first thing.
And then the other thing would be that
you have to remain consistent and keep going
The thing is, like, you know, there's a lot of artists
that, you know, they died before people recognize
Bitcoin, man. Can I ask you something?
What platform do you have the most followers on?
Or what platform do you put the most content on?
Yeah, I put the most content on Hive, basically.
And, like, honestly, the only reason I'm here is
because of Hive and, like, because...
Is there a dating app? What is that dating app?
No, it's not a dating app.
Basically, Hive is a blockchain,
but it's also, like, a social blockchain.
Yeah, it's social five. It's social five.
So I'm familiar with Hive.
Do you have, like, pretty significant content on there?
Do you have, like, a lot of followers or anything?
Well, I have, like, relatively a lot of followers.
There's not that many users on Hive still
because, like, it's just a bunch of nerds
that made it and make it.
And they, like, they don't understand, like, normal people.
I don't mean to cut out that. Isn't that the problem?
Like, we're talking about social networks and reach
and actually reaching with you.
And I'm all for creating, you know, new experiences, whatever.
But you literally have Instagram
who, like, Zuckerberg changed his ideology
as, like, a leader for that company
just to try to compete here.
And I get, you know, blockchain where you post
and you can get paid, things like that.
I've been doing content for a long time.
I can tell you, like, definitely have your feelers,
like, explore if you really want.
But I wouldn't advise, like, focusing on something
that that's brand, like, that new
and has that low amount of reach, like you said.
Yeah, yeah. No, for sure.
Right. Sorry to the network.
No, I hear what you're saying.
And, like, I totally agree.
That's why when I was saying,
not necessarily to use the platform,
but there's a lot you can learn from it.
And there is still tools you can leverage.
The thing is, I think that realistically,
a lot of this blockchain and all this stuff
needs to be in the background.
Like, people don't, like, most of you guys
know how to use a cell phone, know how to drive.
But most of you don't know how the car actually works,
what all the parts do or what the cell phone does
or how the internet really works.
People don't need to know.
Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin.
It's just in the background.
Just one second, one second, bro.
Because I feel like we're so crazy off topic.
Do you mind applying for direct real quick?
Because I got to bounce, unfortunately.
Yeah, go for it, Brad. Go for it.
Okay, just back on the topic.
If I had to give one advice to a founder,
and I'm not a founder yet, so take it with a grain of salt.
I think I consider X like a big party
where everyone's in the ballroom
and shit don't get built in the ballroom.
All right, get built in the back room.
So I agree with Bitcoin man about what he said.
He said, don't worry about impressions.
But you can get X ultimately is a time waster for builders.
And you could see, we talk about people like,
you have to have a presence and you do.
But look at Frank and Luca,
arguably the two biggest founders in the space.
You don't hear from them or you barely hear from them.
And then they come around and do their spaces rounds.
And they post periodically
when they have something to say.
But back to the main point, which is there are no rules.
I think a lot of people, 2021 especially,
has set up a structure of like,
oh, 10K, now everyone does 10K.
Oh, Luca did stuffed animals.
Now everyone does stuffed animals.
It's so easy to look back and try to learn
and take the best out of everything.
But the things that succeed the best
are things that haven't been done yet.
So don't look at what has been done.
Look at what you want to accomplish.
Dig deep into the tools that Web2 offers you
and bring something new to the space.
I love what Brett said there because in Web3,
And I've said this for so many times to a lot of founders.
It's like, just because this worked for another project,
it's not going to work for you.
You have to be really realistic.
Also, you have to do a lot of trial and error.
You could have your plan set to step three,
but maybe you're at step one
and you're not seeing things add up.
And I've seen that with the Kleinesaurus
where they had the plushies.
Great idea, but I don't think that wasn't a great move
just because they didn't really have what it took
and just like, Pudgy just had such a crazy community.
I don't know, they just had so much around them
to do that, but that's just a good example
that I just noticed in the space as well, Brett says.
Yeah, I like his take too.
He mentioned that the impressions don't matter,
builders build, they're not really concerned
with a lot of the stuff that's going on.
But I think I saw Andrew put a thumbs down
because I think it actually goes to show you
that you named two founders like Luca and Frank
and I would put them in bucket A as like founder types
where they are very client facing,
they have a ton of comms,
they talk directly to a lot of their holders
Whereas you have type B founders like maybe Zagabond
who isn't up on spaces all the time
and isn't really that super client facing for example,
but still succeed in what it is that they're building.
So I think there's always going to be buckets
in which good founders operate in
and they're always going to be different from one another,
but sometimes there's a lot of different attributes
that they might have that correlate really well
with other founders in that same bucket.
So I would put Luca and Frank and Wob for example,
all in a type A bucket who are really client facing.
But of course, they're building.
But you're not seeing them,
you're not seeing them complaining about
not getting enough responses on their GMs.
Okay, if that was the point,
of course, they don't give a shit about any of that.
That's the founder's hack.
That's the founder's hack, yeah.
We touched upon this like this morning,
Sal might have been in and out, not sure.
Yeah, this morning we mentioned like 20 minutes,
the founder's hack is very real.
Having a founder who's even mildly successful,
like a very mild taste of wings,
like that successful type.
I think can allude to and allow them
to unlock the founder's hack,
which means you've already created
your community of a thousand.
That's really the portion matter what.
Like even, you know what I mean?
I think the ultimate goal,
for creators is to find your 100,
you know, 100 or a thousand
true supporters, true fans,
and the founder's hack gets you there,
but obviously there is the other side too
of this, which is the ugliness
And we've seen this happen.
because everyone puts founders,
especially like the top ones,
People put them on pedestals, man,
It's like, especially like pre-ment
or even a little after mint.
everyone just feels as though
they're like God or something like that.
It's always the craziest thing to me
I call it founder simping,
where they just like simp for founders
Like it's cool to be a fan, man,
but they're literally just human beings
and people on the other side
It's like you can talk to them
I just never understood that.
Maybe that's just like a mentality thing.
Matt, we're kind of open discussion here,
POC, you've been waiting for a minute.
I'll jump in in a minute.
I think it's a great discussion.
for just kind of like openly
Transparently, I've been on
kind of like a similar timeline
and like kind of put them all together.
And that's what kind of floored me
about, honestly, Web3 as a whole.
coming from quote unquote Web2,
it's weird to say traditional,
but traditional content creation.
And even like what I do now
for a living in marketing,
in Web3 on Twitter slash X
We have people like NFT God,
although he's not NFT God anymore,
And there's a lot of people
that have done their own spinoff
on it and things like that.
And that's something that,
honestly, I can tell you is
it's really a focus here.
I've been around the internet.
I've been on the internet
a social platform being used
and the way people depend on it.
And there are a lot of correlations
and what content creators go through
in terms of watching your numbers
and creating a content plan
if you're taking it seriously
and trying to craft that message
if you're trying to take that route.
When it comes to finding,
actually building and finding your,
I think Sal put it perfectly,
your solution to a problem.
And that's why you launch something.
That's why you launch a project.
I really quickly distained
It's like you're literally
If you're going to launch like that,
all these false promises.
For me, in my two year journey
I wanted to build has changed.
And honestly, there's a lot of
great people in this space
that are a reason for that.
Nevermind like the trend,
but even the people I connect with
because there's people along the way
oh, let's do a call sometime.
If I get to that level with you,
quote unquote already involved
It's just something that I want
to be the answer to a problem.
oh, hey, here's our JPEG.
Let's be some height movement
or let's try to build something from it.
I want to have a clear game plan.
but honestly, it's like you said,
you're not really going into
And I totally understand why
because as soon as you speak
as soon as you start talking
now your name is tied to it.
And we are in such a small circle
that a lot of people don't realize,
like even the names we mentioned,
no one knows them outside of our circle.
And a few of them how we do,
You know, what's funny fuck
is I remember being in NFT NYC
and it's just a bunch of all of us
with three DeGend nerds out there,
all wearing black hoodies
We all looked the same too.
And people were walking by,
Because we're all circling
And then someone whispered
and like a super niche sub market.
And I just started dying laughing
that like all these people
they're literally not even
when you talk about the effects
of like actual pop culture
and stuff like that, right?
We're starting to see a little bit of that.
Yeah, and it's not even a knock on them.
one of the biggest things
that I'm really kind of bullish on
is I want to see more projects
I'm not saying, you know,
you got to get in Walmart,
but get some damn brand awareness
like I saw that from day one
when I got in two years ago,
we do not see a Yuga branded shirt
that you can buy somewhere
as another revenue stream.
Like with their connections
they can't get a shirt somewhere
even online that you can order.
No, you have to be a holder.
all the horror stories about that.
to hear like when it all started
like, oh, hey, Luca's putting
think about the provenance.
because it's cute penguins
are actually the secret weapons
dad, there's your friend.
There's your alien friend.
literally during the bull.
I pulled up a collection.
I was about to buy some more
And she was clicking on them
and then she clicked buy.
She did her first purchase.
But she has picked pretty pictures.
I don't think people understand
She's going to be five in 2024.
A lot of you are younger.
People even in your 20s right now,
So the power of that alone,
and I hope you do too, Rudolf.
but like, it's just insane.
I mean, it's just insane.
I do have one disagreement with you
and I have a video coming out
about this probably next week.
Hopefully we can get this done in time.
that I was thinking about
And I wish we can clip that
and I can cycle over Twitter
a convincing problem, right?
Rudolf's done sales, right?
You want to sell God to somebody?
Tell them about the devil, right?
And we need to get better
We have a convincing problem.
There's millions of views
The videos are six months old,
but they're all negative.
They know what the fuck it is.
We've just not convinced them of it yet.
at the selling part of it.
I feel like everyone knows
everyone knows what an NFT is.
full, blown, pink, kitted out
the world knows about NFTs.
The problem is exactly what it is.
It's the narrative behind it is terrible.
Yeah, and maybe let me focus
on its brand awareness to me
in terms of our side of it.
I do totally agree, though,
because I don't see enough
But I do agree with Andrew
that, you know, there is this whole,
like, getting over the mental scar
that is NFTs for everybody
and the way that I kind of explain
because I'm still in that old
content world that I was in.
So I'm still like, you know,
a daily participant there
just, you know, not creating
content, like keeping up, whatever.
as Dr. Disrespect watches,
you know, talks about his project,
takes a major hit a bunch of flack
just pulled out like Minecraft
and a lot of other projects here.
how could they do this on YouTube
It was like Microsoft saved us.
And honestly, it's more examples
DraftKings, their Rainmaker application.
that are like non tech savvy,
through the DraftKings app.
Literally like DM me like,
oh, bro, I just got all these cards.
I'm like doing these lines.
I'm like, I keep buying these packs.
So you got in the blockchain
and they're like, fuck you, dude.
I'm not into your fucking stupid.
I'm not into that nerd picture stuff.
Pat, I love when you bring that up
They're like, fuck you, dude.
I don't wanna get scammed.
And but that's how I explain it.
because that's what I explain.
you are actually on blockchain.
when you click on details.
I'm like, what you're using right now
It's not just like a monkey JPEG
See if this is the technology
And we're at such an early stage of it
this happened in the dot com bubble
and a lot of people don't remember that.
And now it's just the next wave of it.
And we're in the early frontier that
we all like to get braggadocious
about how we're getting away
We kind of need to evolve.
So maybe there is someone here
get more realistic about it
and try to educate and be like,
but there are good examples.
I don't use the word NFT.
I use digital collectible.
It's actually way more satisfying
she is not a big fan of it.
out of Starbucks Odyssey program.
Yeah, die hard Starbucks.
She's always looking at like,
of like the this new Odyssey drop,
like I wonder when that's coming out
And then she tried to make one
or like she tried to get one.
She didn't know she was minting it,
but she tried to get like a new stamp,
like a rare stamp or something.
and purchase it or claim it.
Why did this instantly sell out?
this is kind of bullshit, right?
Like, how come it instantly sold out
I don't get to get one now.
Oh, first time I love it.
I don't want to speak too much more,
You mentioned the whole Starbucks thing.
and we have like off sites
and I've talked to like even
the co-founders of my company
well, how would we apply it?
we're not at that point yet.
wouldn't know how to sell it.
We can't even sell marketing here
a lot of exchanges right now
the managers will give you
like a Starbucks gift card
Like little like side thing,
Every now and then people have started
obviously going to Starbucks more.
over here people in Starbucks
whatever in those conversations
so what's this Starbucks thing?
through Starbucks Odyssey.
or maybe they mentioned it to me.
Oh, why are you going to New York?
Oh, just this like NFT conference.
Why do you have to approach it?
Bro, I literally tell them
And it's also the technology.
And that's what it's going to
that always catches people
is within the next 10 years,
there if they are currently have
is likely going to be an NFT.
RWAs, man, they all think
and then you have to further explain
it's literally just the technology
that tokenizing physical items
We just have a space about that too.
you could also wrap your mortgage
Don't know how that even works.
Home sold on the blockchain,
which I think is really creepy
because they were bragging about it
Visuals are negative, Nancy.
I'm excited to get the visual.
and real estate information
is already like public knowledge,
Like you just need to have
like a fucking realtors license
like the first I remember
on the blockchain was like
like front page crypto Twitter
But I just wouldn't want to be
the MFR that like bought that house
because you're like forever
having people come by like
so you bought this on the crypto.
Tell me more like I just I just.
I mean, are people actually doing that?
That sounds that sounds wild.
and we get people ringing our doorbell
trying to sell us random shit.
I don't need people to know I'm here.
So yeah, that's I mean, that's that's
that's a little different.
Alright, let's get to Andrew.
You got your hands up brother.
You have host privilege, right?
I'm actually a little bit saddened
by the fact you haven't been
I think this is the first time
I've heard you speak back.
You definitely come back more
and really just talk your talk.
of a bunch of good stuff.
I do have a question for you though.
Patch, hopefully your numbers guy,
So I'm looking at the space right now.
and there's 51 people in here.
Those numbers patch doesn't make sense.
Are you seeing what I mean?
I'm seeing the same thing.
Our conversion rate is far too low.
We really need more engagement,
You just click the little pill down there.
It's probably lit up for you
because there's been actions on it
since you've last clicked it,
Just click that and honestly,
I don't even give a shit.
Just click that little button
that little retweet, little symbol.
Just do that for the people.
I mean, the man's out here
Yeah, Pat, you have a really soothing voice, man.
I would love for you to read
the Bitcoin white paper to me
as I go to sleep tonight.
That would be pretty great.
So I get that from men and women online
and I love it because I get those compliments
a lot more now that it's audio based
Like that was it and it'd be weirder
just because he sounds like Luke
You need a voice in audiobook, man.
Pat, I have one more question for you
and then we can go back to Ruto.
So this one's on a serious note.
Obviously, the convincing stuff,
We know the problems themselves.
They don't really give a shit.
Honestly, most people don't know
how money works probably won't ever.
The same thing can be said for our industry.
Most people don't know how that stuff works.
Pat, my one question is this.
Obviously, people hate when they see
especially when the winning comes easy.
If you've noticed, look at the behavior.
When you see somebody else winning
and they're doing it easily
or they're making it seem like it's being done easy,
they can't fucking stand it.
And they'll probably lie to you
and say that they're happy with it
but you could tell deep down inside
And most people for the past two years
have seen the degenerates of the degenerate
winning in the industry at scale,
buying NFTs, selling NFTs,
tens of thousands, millions of dollars,
They've seen these things pop off.
People buying new property.
Their girlfriend rings like Fidgetl,
Do you think that's part of the reason
Because they see us winning so easy.
Honestly, I think it's more of a...
It's not even a web 3 issue.
I can tell you it's someone that's almost 40.
The number one thing I hate the most
is that I wasn't born later.
Because if you're younger right now,
Oh God, just like so available to you.
And I think web 3 is a perfect example of it.
You had teenagers launching projects
and becoming millionaires over the night
And literally they just led a crowd of people,
And even around their age,
Right out to the pasture.
They literally like marched on
And then the bear really hit
and the bullshit stopped.
I think here in the space,
by fire take place for a lot of people.
For a lot, this was their first bear.
I was savvy enough to listen to people
that were talking on the previous bears
Just because, like I said,
There's a lot more experienced people.
At least the people that are here now
And I think a lot of the mindset here
of, man, it's been so easy for these people.
I think the kind of projects we see
Like, Crypto Undead surprised me.
the space would fall for no art
and then open at that price.
Like, there was 20 sold-ins and stuff.
that would happen right now,
honestly, with everything
that people have kind of gone through,
if you want my honest opinion.
So that was surprising to me.
Luckily, I think the art was,
you know, I don't think it would blow away.
I think it goes past that, though.
not understanding something
and then you, because, you know,
obviously not you didn't understand
the thing you don't understand
and the thing that you're
maybe too lazy to understand.
making millions of dollars,
twenties of millions of dollars.
You're going to be pissed.
Like, I am the crypto guy,
And my friends that live,
you know, near me from, you know, near me,
who have made 10, 20, 30, 50 million dollars.
But in my group, I'm the guy
so to speak, out of our friend group.
And everyone knows a guy in crypto
who's made tons of millions of money.
Imagine being these people
who, one, don't understand it.
And two, because they don't understand it,
you see people making tons of money.
I'd absolutely pissed off.
No, yeah, no, they're definitely
But I think that's also a mindset
like them and the personality.
Now it's how you utilize that anger.
Is that going to fuel you
so you're not off in the dust
and to try to learn ways to keep up?
that's just going to maybe
put you in the dirt further?
I see we've got other hands.
that's just a personality thing.
And I think overall the space
and just how we're all operating.
I think we'll see it less.
But it's going to be interesting
when you see this next wave of like,
you know, we remember what it was
If we have that kind of increase here,
It'll be interesting to see,
you know, some people coming in
Like and they'll probably want to know why
and we'll go through that,
of some people getting angry
you're a bunch of scammers,
you're a bunch of pricks, whatever.
I want to know, you know what I mean?
it's one of my favorite quotes.
We were just in a Twitter space.
I was in a Twitter space earlier today
and there was a 14 year old kid in there
and he had grinded his way
through whitelist and stuff like that.
And he bought a pudgy penguin
and he's just going around
like his school and like,
Like, I mean, Twitter was out
and Instagram wasn't out.
Like none of these social platforms.
Like we were all still commenting
Like DMing people on Tumblr and shit.
So imagine like being 14,
and you have a $40,000 like asset
just chilling in your wallet
and like no one knows about it
in your school and you're just 14.
Like you mentioned the opportunities
that like the younger generation
I have this thing called Helium
and I earn like Helium token
and I convert it into Sol.
I didn't even have an allowance growing up.
I'm gonna go buy like a bag of popcorn
and like watch the sun like go down.
So like the kids these days,
because I always say this.
Like we are in a generation
If you can get into a good opportunity,
are going to be a lot bigger
than it was 20 years ago.
30 years ago, you know what I'm saying?
Like even especially in this space,
I'm seeing people literally like
that were with me since 2021
like literally became solopreneurs.
My daughter is in everyone.
into like coding classes for the kids.
Like I've already lived in it.
So like we're so excited.
Patch, by the time she's 18,
that a junior dev is required
to finally get their position.
I had to work my way up all of it.
Like I've gone through all this.
That's why I'm like floored
that my daughter in her prime years
to learn like all this bad stuff
is going to be handed stuff
that I had to literally like scratch
in the early days of learning.
Yeah, that's it's coding on notepad.
I want to pass around the room
I don't want all of us boomers
up here to go down memory lane
about when you're one of those.
You've had your head up for a while.
Definitely had it up longer than I did.
Okay, yeah, let's go click.
That's what I was wondering.
that didn't call your ass
One, I think we're vastly overestimating
who made literal millions
or tens of millions of dollars
woke up an overnight millionaire,
there is probably several other bozos
who saw their bags severely depleted.
It's just a numbers game.
Not everyone is going to click.
You're in the wrong click then.
You're in the wrong click,
It's only the wrong click.
The numbers are obviously skewed a little bit.
Did you say a little bit,
as if we're not watching people
left and right in the space
Well, to be fair, vector,
so how many people on stage
made like tens of millions of dollars?
I was talking about what happened.
You guys are going to send a move
you're saying you hate apples
And if the IRS is listening,
And if the IRS is listening,
this is all just a fake story.
But even me being a super mid trader
only starting out with like 0.3 ETH
from 2021 to like the end of 2022,
like over six figures in crypto
and I'm super mid trader.
The figures is one-tenth of a million dollars.
Now, I'm not saying everyone...
I think you're talking like...
It was obviously a blanket statement.
a thousand people down the street,
like how much money did they make
and then you asked a thousand people
the thousand people you asked on Web3
definitely made more money
than just a thousand people
trading NFTs on whitelist
I think what he's trying to say...
because I couldn't even finish
without being interrupted
The last thing I wanted to say
when I first got in here,
My thesis is like someone who's...
Like I've written a lot of articles
and kind of created a lot of content
or through a job that I've had
But like the biggest thing for me
is if you want to create content
because I think the thing
almost everyone can universally
is that authenticity reigns supreme
and people can sense that
whether they understand everything
Most people can kind of tell
And I think when you are creating stuff
personal satisfaction first,
that is something that's reflected
and it resonates with people.
I'll listen to anybody talk about anything
if they're passionate about it
because to me that's interesting
who are very interested in stuff
and they devote themselves to it
and they become experts in it
That's compelling content
and I think that's the best way
to kind of find your niche,
or whatever you're looking for.
That's got to be there from the onset
because the moment you stop doing it
for yourself it becomes a job.
And everyone probably hates their job
at least every now and then
and you don't want to lose
the thing that made you want to do it
Click, did you send Ben.eth money by chance?
Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
Okay, we're on the same page, Ben.
Well, Double actually did.
It was a little bit, buddy.
but I'm not gonna lie, yeah.
You're what's wrong with this space
Okay, well, I don't know.
Salamander invited me to come to here
because she probably wanted me to
say something against the grain
because I'm probably going to.
I hear a lot of optimism in this space.
Go out there and make it.
Go out there and fuck it all up.
I think that we do not need
just as another NFT project.
If you're talking about like
we already have what's like
five years and 99% of rugs
and how much more thousands of
experiments do we need to know
that you can't fundraise without a product
and then scramble to make a product
and then try to build that from the ashes.
And then we go and we law the .001%
that makes something out of that.
And then we don't stop talking
about them for seven years.
Like they live, you know, whatever.
And I guess they're the new
But like I really would love
to see more infrastructure plays.
You know, more killer apps,
in the spirit of disruption
that this whole technology
was built upon in the first place.
She's like, hold on, hold on,
let me finish because I don't know.
I don't know what you're going to say.
So I'm talking while you're talking.
So how can I hear you now?
Like, you know, so like I was saying,
like more infrastructure plays,
bro, like more plays that are like,
you know, it's just like things
that like, you know, like simple tools
with great UI that put power
in people's hands, you know,
because Andrew was talking about
like he was trying to say
like the whole world is haters.
They're watching us make this money
and they're just hating on the sidelines.
Like no one hates a lot of winnings
because everyone has access to it.
So at least they had their shot.
But just like how Pac was saying,
or his wife is trying to get something
and they didn't get their shot.
And so that's what we have.
We have an accessibility problem.
that's not accessible to people,
it's already cordoned off,
it's highly exclusive, then yeah,
you're going to naturally breed haters
because that's what that is.
But if we're building technology
that's, you know, accessible
that introduce this technology
on their day to day life.
dragons rob Dow programs,
We always know what it is.
So like, if like, you know,
we're talking about like, you know,
and that's not hard to make.
There's so many SDKs out there
Like they've been out forever.
So like putting that in the hands
of like, you know, mothers,
teachers, students, like, you know,
people that want to like, you know,
start pooling together their funds
their own kind of businesses
making it so we can, you know,
like democratize businessmaking
because that's already moving
blockchain technology as it is.
So yeah, like do I want to see
more things get made here?
You know, token gated access,
to keep it in their wallet,
I think it's a fair point.
Look, I'm always going to be
A, because usually they're
long-term business model,
what kind of infrastructure
or security or, you know,
faster transaction protocols,
before we get too far away.
I just want to say one thing
whoever, whoever was just speaking.
with everything you said.
And I think it's it's not
accessibility is like key,
but also creating like new systems
where people's incentives
You know, like if you like,
that's why DeFi is great,
because even if like a big player
or something is trying to like,
you know, gobble up the space
you know, own all the liquidity,
like they're incentivized
to not like completely fuck it up,
right, because then their shit
And it's a pretty stark contrast
where we're at right now with things,
we're often at odds against
And like, it shouldn't have
But I mean, even to Vector's point,
Like we need more good being had.
But even in even in traditional
there's like a new clothing company
that drops, there's probably thousands
a day that try to get made.
Some who make it some who don't
I feel like we're regardless
of what industry you're in.
gonna be products that are made,
whether it's like solving
and you're looking to scale
like a billion dollar company
a huge problem, or you're
just building out products
that you think a ton of users
or you want to build stories
I understand you about the question
was do we need to be made?
I'm not saying so do we need
a bunch of clothing companies?
Do we need a bunch of other things?
The main point was the fact
I'm like, I'll stop anybody.
The difference is the difference
to the money being raised
but the difference is accountability.
I think that's what he was really
trying to get to for sure.
Yeah, because you were talking
about accessibility, right?
One thing that popped in my head
and they're the ones that get it.
And they turn like a free
meant that one of these NFTs
and some of them look like
someone just sold for like seven grand.
and getting access to that meant
that made you get the financial gain.
this is not about finance, right?
It's not really about t-shirts
and communities and things like that.
It's really about finance.
So making financial investments
that don't generally have access
like VC and angel startup
You can see it that way, right?
Because I don't have the time
They really want to go out there
They actually make that profit
that I couldn't really get.
some of these NFT projects
starting out and trying to grow
their wealth in that way.
Yeah, I'm not saying that don't.
I'm just saying that, you know,
well, one with the whole white listing,
people kind of, you know,
But besides that, though,
I'm saying the overall scale
of that, though, is very small.
You know, it's like, yeah.
And then even within that community,
a lot of those people, if you join,
you still have to grind for white list.
If you don't grind enough,
then you might not be picked at all.
But dude, I remember being a small account
and I pretty much still am,
but I remember having like 300,
when I first started like the web
and I remember the whitelist
And I will say, starting out
if you don't have a lot of capital,
but you have a lot of time,
then you have to basically grind
your ass off to get that capital.
And it really, it honestly sucks,
but it did make huge changes,
my bank account looked like,
Like we see it all the time,
posts on the timeline where,
oh, thank you so much to X founder.
like my daughter's tuition for college.
these are outlier scenarios
because the majority of the time
you know, tens of thousands of dollars
from a flip, for example.
that some founders have genuinely
like changed people's lives.
And I think that's one of the
Like you've literally changed
because they were like part of a community
or had access to Minta and NFT.
Like I just think it's super cool, man.
Like people paying their hospital bills
or like treating themselves
because they sold an NFT or something.
It's just fucking cool, man.
I love that shit warms in my heart.
We're off topic now a little bit,
but I was just rambling a little bit.
So you've said a lot of stuff tonight.
I'm not sure what you've said.
Did you retweet the space?
Money is a doubles game, right?
Just do the conversation.
If you have a thousand bucks
and you double that thousand bucks
from one thousand two thousand
two thousand four thousand on and on.
from making a million bucks liquidity.
cannot double a thousand bucks
ten times, right, in ten years.
So guys, that's once a year.
you'll be a millionaire in ten years
with a million dollars in liquid.
That's a pretty good amount of money.
Andrew, do what you want to do with.
where my name comes from?
People think it has to do
with some kind of board eight or something.
But yeah, that's literally
I mean, when you break it down like that.
Talk about doubling money
like in a kind of like vacuum now.
Like just double your money.
Like money doesn't just come from nothing.
Like it's not like a like,
I don't know, like people have lives
and circumstances that may not
make doubling such money like a thing.
I feel like it's weird to just be like,
if you just double your money
more opportunities are available
to you now to double up your money
I think I think that's what
Rudy was kind of in this space
Like you can, like you said,
that your friend told you about
and 1000X that that thing.
Next thing you guys definitely don't do that.
You guys are literally wildly optimistic.
I've never heard such optimism.
I want you guys to be like my fan club,
But I mean, the doubling of capital
I mean, you could literally buy
or you can buy shoes for 100 bucks,
resell them for double that,
and you probably double your money
but I think people choose ignorance
because doing the hard thing every day
and doing the boring thing
and they rather choose the ignorant side
because it's easier to do.
So it's easy to double your money
When you get to 100K, 200K, right?
Then you can't just simply double it,
Because you're taking a lot of risk.
Then that's when you start to say,
I like this 5% yield coming in.
I don't want to just dump it on,
But the idea is to keep doubling
I mean, that's the simple terms,
and hit a double every time.
You have to be very, you know,
You've doubled your money
Like 2023, at least once?
I've doubled my money a lot of times.
What did you use as the moat
don't tell me to get coins.
No, I didn't make any money in here.
I made money in the regular world.
I didn't really double much money here.
I made some a little here and there,
I feel like I'm an entrepreneur.
No, I was just going to say,
like I'm like an entrepreneur.
like entrepreneurial spirit I saw.
and all the finance going on here.
I felt like I can bring my power here.
and ended up being a community member,
I feel like starting a business
in web 3 is actually much harder
with all of like the transparency,
to your bottom line business
that you don't necessarily
Like if I want to start a clothing company,
I should probably should just
and not add like the complexity.
a publicly traded startup.
are technically publicly traded
because someone can dump it
And then the startup aspect
building a team from mostly from zero.
And you also do have people
So yeah, you're absolutely right.
There's so much more complexity
from literally zero to nothing
All the founders out here
doing it from zero to nothing,
man, my heart's out to you.
Like exactly a lot of them
are doing zero to nothing.
to 10 million to nothing.
So it's probably better both.
I think there's a big attribute
that like a good founder has
when it comes to just launching
from like nothing basically
is I think you gotta have
that come out and you're like,
Like, or the marketing campaigns
Like, I think being a tastemaker
If you want to sell a brand
specifically like character IPs
Like if you don't have good taste
it's probably going to be
Because that's just the reality of it.
how many projects I've seen
the branding is horrible.
don't get me started on merch
because I will absolutely
that they drop for the most part.
But I think being a good founder
And I don't know if I complete that.
Tweet that, that's pretty good.
That also plays into the question
too that Victor and others raised
that like, do you need to do an NFT?
Because that's like a question
like talking about earlier,
that I often come back to
and what's the value prop
Like, why is the NFT needed
Or is it going to be like something else?
Whether it's like a PFP project.
I think there is a huge demand
for a specific type of branding
And I think that no one's
or I think there's a really big gap
between like what the demand is for it
and how many available products
or like NFTs are out there
just from like a business perspective.
I think there's like a huge gap
and I think there's a big demand
And that's what I'm thinking
is like a really good opportunity as well.
I think like even not knowing
what exactly you're talking about
but there are gaps out there
in terms of even just different imagery
that maybe hasn't been used.
Even things I've thought about.
I think my thing also too
is kind of playing into like
almost like a double set of
This is also finance as well.
And we've all played this game
yeah we're all sporting our PFPs
and here are various projects
or maybe you have something else
But over time like during the bull
remember like it seems all the time
there is like sporting this PFP,
a lot of people like sporting
and really wanting to represent
Outside of like what we see in mass.
So there's also that question of like
do you want to just be another round
of like liquidity for everyone?
Or do you have like staying power
Like product or even a vision
of the brand to build out.
you're more than capable of.
made by everyone in here.
that's obviously the goal, right?
If you can answer a problem
then I think you're off to the races.
an entity around that somehow
then even more power to you.
Like to go into like what
But if it's just a question
Like what problem did they solve?
I think it's different now.
I think you can't relate it, right?
at a lot of the major projects
I don't think like if they just launched
on what they did back then
They just wouldn't survive.
And I don't care about what PFP
you have in here all the way
to mine to everyone else is in between.
They wouldn't have survived
for the majority just from their starts.
Remember, they would have been stripped
of like their their provenance to now
people knowing them all of that
with what they launched then.
I think it would have been a lot harder.
like crypto undeads are like what
they didn't solve a problem
and it's still that's what I said.
I think that that blew my mind.
I think that blew my mind happening.
So I was more of like that.
So like I just say this right.
a problem here specifically, right?
the front facing product here
and that doesn't solve a problem, right?
Like and I don't understand
why doubles like dumb stumps me
I'm saying that the ideal
to have a product if it's art
it does not solve a problem, right?
And like and I wanted to go
because it's like I don't understand
and solve the problem either, right?
Well, let him let him let him finish double
just real quick. Go ahead, July.
Well, no, no, I think that's really it.
Like I just don't understand
that why we have to always come to
like there needs to be a problem
Sometimes it's like if if there's
like if there's a rally behind it
and people like it for whatever reason,
I think that's that's plenty enough.
And when we're asking like, why is there?
Why does there need to be more NFTs
or should we make an NFT, right?
Like, yes, I think everybody
should make an NFT personally.
Like whether it sells out or not
But I think everybody should make an NFT
and so they have an understanding
That's just education, right?
But like, let's let's just break it down
for I'm trying to gather my thoughts here
I'm trying to really hone in this, right?
But okay, if we do need more NFTs, right?
like this blockchain and NFTs and crypto
and dah, dah, dah, dah, and we talk about
this thing needs to be more mainstream
how do we catch people's attention?
Well, obviously everybody else failed.
So if another 10 million people try,
one of them is going to succeed, right?
So let another 10 million more people
make an NFT, let them all fail
and let that one person succeed, right?
The only person we're seeing success from
as of today is Luca, right?
So let's go see another 10 million people fail
and one of them will be successful
and we'll all be happy again, right?
And then people lose money.
No, but people lose money everywhere
in anything you do, right?
Let me add to what you're saying.
I'm not going to accelerate it so true though.
until you said make 10 million more projects.
I'd rather not accelerate the rate
of people currently losing money.
Wait, let me add to this point
because I agree with most of what you're saying.
that I think you're trying to make is like,
I think the underlying technology
or is solving the problem of digital ownership, right?
It's not necessarily that these projects
They're using the underlying technology
that has solved the problem.
So now you're building on top of that
and you're trying to build a marketplace
So that's why you don't necessarily
have to solve the problem.
It's a problem being solved by the tech.
Same thing with Bitcoin, right?
Bitcoin is solving a problem
where of digital cash, peer-to-peer cash,
like that's the problem it's set out to solve.
And that's why this is all about finance, right?
Because Bitcoin is literally money.
It's trying to disrupt the financial system.
So you can't get away from the fact
that we're dealing with finance here, right?
That's why it's called DeFi, right?
So the problems you're trying to solve now,
like in DeFi, for example,
is like trying to get sustainable yield, right?
And there's all different types of problems
people are trying to solve,
but the underlying technology
is really solving the problem.
You just want to build on top of that now
and find success on top of that later
and on top of that marketplace.
So if you're selling, that's why
it's not really about art,
it's not about any of these specific things,
it's like all of them encompass.
Well, let me simplify it a little bit
because I think people are kind of,
they're at a loss for words
at like what they're trying to explain.
And I try to explain it very simply.
If you look at the top performing projects,
whether it be because they launched
at a perfect time, bull market,
they've been around for a long time,
Ultimately, if you look at projects
obviously, everyone's talking about them.
so everyone's having a good time.
But if you really narrow it down
and really niche it down as small as you can,
I believe that the best products
don't need to solve a thing.
Of course, solving a problem is great,
but you don't necessarily need to.
if you're able to build incredibly fun
and engaging digital experiences,
then I think that in and itself
If you think about how much fun
people have during the mint process,
during the hype that's happening
around the Pudgy ecosystem,
everyone's having a great time
But also think of the experiences
I think digital experiences
are playing a much bigger role
in the ideation process for products
I just truly believe that utility
but I think a good user experience
something that is amazing
and that's what people want.
Do you think boredom is a problem?
I think boredom is a problem for humans,
and that's why entertainment
power is a problem for people
so they want to get rich, right?
Entertainment while you're investing
And I think people like younger people
are getting into investing this way
rather than like, you know,
reading a 10k on some corporate
corporation doing like pharmacy
or their pharma, big pharma.
I want to invest in this this anime
And it's I relate to it more.
So I want to put my money here
Well, dude, I just think humans
are really simple creatures, man.
I think it deep down in our DNA,
or feel like we're part of
something bigger than ourselves.
We like being engaged with other people
who share similar interests.
And I think we enjoy having fun
that share those similar interests.
And if you think about it,
PFP NFTs and these community
that's essentially the biggest value
prop in most of them, in my opinion,
obviously people are in our generation.
We did that all for free.
And you can make money doing it.
So yeah, so that's why when people
like you need to solve a problem
or like you need to provide something
like those are all really great
if you just build a product
that resonates with a ton of people
and they are having fun online,
I think that's good enough, man.
and have other things, products,
that would still be solving a problem.
It's just not a very big problem
that you want to actually
acknowledge you're solving.
Who used to be door to door and sell knives?
Most of the problems that we see success with
and what is that success in the back,
but their own like in the past,
It doesn't have to be answering
And I think people got lots
like yeah, the ideal solution.
If you can answer like a new fresh problem,
cool, you're the first player on the market.
But I'm not saying like, you know,
so they don't make the data.
It's like, no, like or vice versa, whatever.
Like, I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying if you can answer
that's already been answered,
even if it is a PFC project
you're intending to do more with it,
actually made a great point
like being bored is a problem.
And a lot of like on most brands
in terms of like entertainment,
they try to give you a solution to that problem.
They're all the same solution.
Yeah, that's a good take.
the room a little bit here.
I'll chime out after this.
I think the best way to look at it
in terms of presenting products
is as you go from blue ocean
to green ocean to red ocean,
you are solving problems.
technology field or sector,
you are capturing untapped opportunity.
finding liquidity whatever you can.
because I'm used to pitching saying
Hasn't been solved before.
If it has, how are you doing it better?
And I find in this emerging tech space,
there's just untapped liquidity,
there's untapped opportunity.
which is greed and theft and shit.
But there's just a lot of things
that just haven't been thought of yet.
Yeah, and I think there's
oh, there's a ton of saturation.
And I actually don't believe that.
I think if you think about
where most of the capital
it's being heavily consolidated
So I think there's huge chunks
that are still left on the table.
I just think like I mentioned earlier,
I think there's a huge gap
between where the demand is
and what the end product is.
And I think there is a ton of room
and do something interesting
or wants of those users who
can't find another product
on the market that they want, right?
Some people don't like monkeys.
Some people don't like pixel art.
Some people don't like anime, you know,
like there's just so many
different segments in the market
that can be filled right now.
And there's just not quality projects
enough that are filling those marks.
So I want to pass it around
to the room a little bit.
Andrew, go for it, brother.
You obviously have host privilege.
I don't want to pass over to outer
because they just they just got
Yeah, others always a good chat.
One of the happiest people
in crypto Twitter by far,
It's not just let's pretend
to be happy because we're here.
we're on the topic of conversation
and kind of creating that blue ocean.
The vigil said the one product
that I would love to see get done
absolutely would be fantastic.
I promise you guys little to no overhead.
If you if you have it rolled out,
because I will go on tangents
and that will make my pants.
Wait, do you say micro sass?
Oh my God, I haven't even heard of that before.
Did you see the did you see the kid
that or the guy or whoever made
charging like 20 bucks a month
to your dating app inquiries
or text messages that you made
like millions of dollars.
You basically hyper fixate
and you charge like $5.99 for it.
and then yeah, you anyways,
I don't want to go down this route
because that's a huge rabbit hole
and I could talk about it forever.
But yeah, micro sass products.
The best business model in the world.
It's the best business product
because one person can build it
and it takes very minimal overhead.
and you can scale it to millions of dollars.
Okay, anyways, I want to go
pass it around to to outer.
I want to get back on top.
If we were talking about,
or what it means to create a project,
digital experiences, whatever that is.
So just so we're back on track here.
Thanks for inviting me up, Andrew.
Nice to meet you, Salamander
I mainly like put up my hand
because I was listening to Chul talk
about like many more and more projects
and I just wanted to drop
like a quantity on you guys
because I think this is like
about the creation of projects.
TLDR for me is I've been working
because I'm making a coffee table book
and and also doing some stuff
And so I have 7700 projects
that I scraped just on proof of work
and I had to set certain parameters.
But as I was developing my like
for how I'm going to get like,
you know, all the projects
Some of the earlier tests I did
and this one particular test
when it hit me in the face
I can't believe I'm staring at this
huge rush of projects coming out.
and then it just kept going.
because I was going after
here's my code for people
I want all of the projects
starting from your most recent one
to as far back as you can go.
at least a 0.001 trading volume
because I don't want like pure rugs.
this will give me something
I could have done on my own
like later after I got all the data
so I'm like just give me everything
and so I did this first scraping
and I found out that I was limited
to only pulling 55,000 projects
and then even with the key
like I contacted somebody there
that I knew and they're like
yeah no it's not happening
but here's the fucking crazy thing
when I pull that data set
I only pulled four projects
that actually had trading volume
I had a supply of over 5000
and that was 721 token projects
55,000 projects going back
to I don't know how many days
because I didn't give a fuck
I was like that's not enough
like how many projects went up
that nobody gave a shit about
or ever saw that are in a database
because they were never revealed
into the metadata right obviously
me looking at the data and blinking
and I'm just like what the fuck
for getting my actual data set
but that was the first foray
into developing the algorithm
and me really understanding
as a rug in that time period
they'll be like we need more
from my end I'm like holy fuck
let's not have more like data
for the sake of having data
but I'm just being funny about it
I just wanted to share the 55k story
Can I ask you a question real quick?
About the like what actually makes
because is it just like a collection
like I know you said trading volume
could I put up a collection
and then trade between myself
like what made it an actual collection
Yeah so the thing that happened there
was just me testing my scraping
what I was really after are traits
and they have metadata for traits
there's a lot of visual verification
that goes in for me as well
which is why it's taking me
a long time to build my database
because like when a project
goes in fucking name 3d glasses
2.5d glasses like Ranga does
how the fuck do I put that in right
so like the nomenclature of this
is actually a big thing for me
to be able to then have a platform
where you can like look up 3d glasses
and it shows you everything
that's been labeled and a glyph
and fucking like whatever other synonym
and goblins really fucked me over
but like it was just I love all of it
like to be in the wild wild west of it
but yeah to your to your like
was not me like defining a PFP project
because like I have a lot that I pull
that I see that I just passes
for instance right like and keys
but there's some manual grooming
that I cannot automate obviously
because it's such a visual endeavor
so yeah but that's a really
the fact that there has been
and those parameters that you set
was basically just 2022 right
you said it was like beginning of 2022
if I'm not mistaken outer
that was in January of 2022
I changed my first eye now
ice cream supply and point
and then like I just did the low volume
I can then fuck with it after that right
but there's projects that I did
that I'm excluding gutter cats right
because they're actually they're 20
so like yeah there's a lot of other nuance
and like making a robust data set like this
but ultimately I can then just be like
okay I actually want the top volume projects
but I wanted like the bottom barrel
but I didn't realize that there was a limiter
well could it be a scrape
I remember that I looked up
that like monitored Ethereum
it was like really going through
in terms of like even projects
I think it's still out there
there's probably a few of them
but it literally showed that like
during heights of the bull
there were days that you know
were released on Ethereum
so I'm not surprised at all
because 55k to me is a low number
because I remember I was blown away
when I pulled out that dashboard
and I thought at the bottom
it was giving me like a range
it was giving me the daily
literally over a thousand projects
some days during the height of the bull
and then when everything tapered off
in terms of like volume a day
but there are heights of the bull
if you pulled that far back
that there's probably over 2000
that like 55k met your range
it's pretty it's pretty crazy
that there's at this point
I'm convinced there's been easily
well over a hundred thousand collections
that have tried to be minted
but we only ever really see
maybe that the top even if
I don't even think it's 1%
but I mentioned it earlier
I think it's just a huge factor
I think they're super low effort
most of them just try to come in
to make a little bit of money
but I think you can always tell
that's trying to make some
by you know making something
that's kind of interesting at least
and I mentioned it earlier
that I think having good taste
don't have very good taste
but yeah I don't want to ramble
either I want to get to some hands
that cares about the space
whatever you want to call it
the betterment of the space
and kind of serving the industry
more of those type classification
well they get pretty green
when people think of this industry
there's a lot of money here
this but there was some money there
really position themselves
I'm gonna stop saying that too
gonna see that kind of stuff
that like oh well this person
is gonna make a great project
ex insert fortune 100 company
they're just very opportunistic
and so they see the amount of money
that floats around in this space
that your previous success
or like your previous experience
for whatever company worked at
that you know how to cater
so like to answer your question
but I think we've matured
because I think that's pretty clear also
but I think we're able to sift
sniff that out a little bit more
but my second answer is that
let's say you are looking
I think you're in a better position
like the brand distribution of that
just your brand in general
like it's the main reason why
especially character based
one of their biggest issues
solely based off of a character IP
and that makes sense to me
but if you look at big projects
then they could drop like
sell hoodies for a hundred bucks
and then generate some revenue
but that's not sustainable
or evolution of these IP brands
and they're looking to scale
the reason why I asked that
is because I've been here
for probably about two years now
some of you have been here
probably most of you have
some of you have been here
the one thing that I've come to learn
the accountability mirror
that I put in front of my face
and such a large ignorance tax
it's like you learn a sport
this space from what I'm seeing
we've probably collectively
so much more ignorance tax
just by being in this space
meaning learning new things
and they're constantly coming up
how new people are going to
figure it out in this space
I'd argue that there's more stuff
I'd have to be mindful of now
God if you're new in this space
pay down as much as you can
do not have it all figured out
and they have expert in their bio
because nobody is an expert
that's so new and emerging
yeah or just hire my friends
to just hit my line in the cabal
you know shoot you in the right
let's get some hands here
we've got a couple people waiting
whoever you think you want to go to
I have no idea who's next
you know I have not heard from
is that the what's it called
kaiju kings did that right
I still have mine in my wallet
what's up good night everyone
appreciate you having me on stage
shout out to the dashboard
a lot of good homies on stage
yes this is the kaiju kings augmented
I've had this as my profile picture
I was the 500th person to mint it
if you go on the metadata
there's a lot to unpack here
I've been up here for like an hour
and honestly a beautiful conversation
I love your enthusiasm with the space
of when I first got into the space
but I guess something that I guess
so much that was spoken about
you know building a project
I think it's all about intention
especially with the inception of
ordinals and descriptions
like the explosive you know
nft nature exploding across blockchains
I think it's very important that
whether you're a participator
you know you're here for money
I think it's important that you
solidify yourself on the blockchain
because in 10, 20, 30 years
like that's what's going to matter
like obviously the money that you
and that will translate you know
but you want to be able to
and be like look at this project
I don't believe that every person
or every team or every you know
one who wants to create something
huge you know VC whatever
like I think I truly believe
that you can create in this space
if you have the right intention
when you have the question
of what problem are you solving
I really think that it's like
or what type of demographic
are you you know associating
or what are you building with
and how could you leverage that
you know to kind of boost
a small example it's like
when Azuki blew up you know
all the way a few years ago
that was like the leading anime project
and it's like all of the communities
they gathered in the garden
and they you know they prop that up
I'm not talking about opinion
they were able to you know
it's sunset no matter what happens
to finish my little rant is that
if you're trying to create in the space
if you're trying to be a project founder
if you have good intentions
as long as while you're creating
and while you're moving forward
that are happening around you
I think founders have a bad time
when like they launch a profile picture project
or like launch a profile picture product
that's attached to some utility
but if the profile pictures are attached
and 90% of your community's degens
they might not understand that
and the same thing vice versa
if you have you know a degen project
for you know all your investors
or maybe people are like you know devs
so yeah I appreciate you guys
I just had a pretty decent take on this
I've worked with founders
it can be very overwhelming
trying to create in this space
with the standards you have around
like look at crypto undeads
like nobody fucking knows who they are
a gazillion dollars of volume
as a you know independent creator
could I put up with that?
and you know kind of build
yeah that last one was a beggar
then don't worry about it
that sounds like some advisory
like it's not only you got scammed
been shooting in the gym for years
but that you kind of made
a good point at the end there bro
maybe not even buy on purpose
because if you're someone
that's looking to make something
and you're trying to reverse engineer
the success of other projects
but you hear it all the time
either from other founders
why is this doing so well
why things are going well
whether you like it or not
then you're probably not in a position
because you need to be able
to navigate this industry
and understand how everything operates
if you see crypto undeads
and they're absolutely crushing it
and they minted out instantly
they're getting secondary volume
but you don't know why that is
and you're just like hatin
then you probably aren't in a position
what you're trying to build
or even cater to any sort of like
I just wanted to piggyback on that
and again this is not an insult
back in the back like a year ago
like I don't know if you guys remember
but they literally pumped
no one knew where they came from
and have been bag holding for a year
fidgetol's a real-time case study
and I love my case studies
fidgetol what do you what do you think
I checked that for a second
yeah he brought up the uh
he brought up the Nakamigos
and how people are still holding the bag
of the thing that they confirmed
it had a confirmation bias on
I guess you can say that way
and they're still holding the thing
I think we're figuring out
what business arcs look like
my convictions are my convictions
it's certainly not meeting
the existing business expectations
so it's either too big to fail
or somehow still succeeding
while not meeting any expectations
you're wrong on that one or no
I'll speak to you in six to eight months
like what defines success right
like floor price whatever
like if you wanted to find success
they built pretty much a fucking cult
whether it was dumping the bag
or the community that they have
that is not going to go stay go hard
so you know it all depends on your
but my intention with the comparison
what the fuck is going on
and you just keep building
it's like the Spongebob and Patrick
they put the piece of wood
and then they put the piece of wood
it's like where are you going
it's like where are you going
because it's it's never made sense
somebody has to make that a photo
I think that's a good idea
I literally pictured in my head too
I don't want to monologue anymore
so I'm going to go pass it over
I see you've had your hand raised
so I want to pass it over to you
appreciate y'all having me
been enjoying the conversation
getting passed around here
so it's a little different
and not get totally off topic
but I'm not starting an NFT project
but I guess it qualifies as
being a founder in some sense
that enables private transactions
and hoping to get it launched
but while I know it's not
you know the specific NFT thing
getting started trying to generate
is this like tornado cash
but is it like what's happening
they had they enjoyed seven years
something like seven billion dollars
that there were North Korean hackers
laundering money through them
which the US and other governments
no that what makes this different
and you know if a government agency
I'm able to give a wallet
to kind of peer behind the curtain
and see they can then look up addresses
just like you would be able to
but that that permission does not exist
you know to the public right
so it's kind of like a bank
where you know the government can see
what you're doing on there
but nobody really gives a fuck
we're all just kind of doing our thing
and and socially nobody can see
your financial history right
so that's kind of the idea here
since that that privacy aspect
doesn't exist in crypto currently
I think it's going to be necessary
as you know we see wider adoption
all right so I'm going to let this
I don't care if this space isn't recorded
and you find the contract code
and then you drain yourself
you drain yourself with the dap
to a wallet that you created
and that way the IRS cannot track you
you drain yourself with the contract
and then you tell the IRS
I don't know what happened
because Japanese guys stole my shit
and then you make a bazillion dollars bro
is that you guys are laughing
but that's 1 billion percent
exactly what a ton of people do
just so you guys know a lot of people
and I'm not condoning this
is there a spongebob meme for that too?
oh there certainly is somewhere
it's all of the spongebobs
can I add to that real quick?
so I've been reaching out
and a lot of them are on Instagram
and they will post their cards
and collectibles on Instagram
and then people will be like
and then they'll just like
like whatever you got to do bro
than like 10k or something
and then I'd probably send it
this man's out of control
oh thanks for the college fund
my eyes are literally watering
because I just died laughing man
you know we're getting a little funny
man what do I got to hide
what the fuck I look like
okay what kind of founders
talking about brand distribution
I asked a simple question
and it was how do you start from zero
here's how you launder money
Miyagi came out of nowhere
like bro this man's out of control
I was watching a Lex Friedman podcast episode
where I think it was Mark Andreessen
and there was a Michael Saylor ad there
and it wasn't actually him
Michael Saylor advertisement
and it said that he was giving away
how the fuck is YouTube allowing this to happen?
Don't they have ad filtrations
maybe they're inside the man
because this is too ridiculous
bro the entire world is a scam
you know it's the biggest thing
it was like January like first
and the reason why I got involved
is because the concept of
freedom from the government
and like how they don't have control
it's like half of these people
because they just click links
that is fucking hilarious
Elizabeth Warren and others
that self-custody wallets
we need to ban that immediately
and to see the government
before it even had enough traction
is a pretty scary thought
and goes boop boop boop boop
let's let's get to some more hands
thanks for having me up here
seriously appreciate you tuning in man
some of your go to market strategy
okay let's go over to some more hands
I want to pass it over to Chulo
and then go over to Outer
everything's off with not a sheep
I mean look there's a lot
okay the rest of this like
throwing the laughing emojis
I'm not going to make you guys laugh
the beginning of this conversation
we all it's not funny dash
the beginning of this conversation
I'm building an NFT project
and that's kind of where my mind
I don't know about you guys
evading taxes and whatnot
I do want to say it is this deep
still 10 million more projects
so they can fuck up your data
but outside of that too though
there's something that was brought up
about founders being classified
as founder A and founder B
I believe it was just somebody
who wasn't on spaces or whatever
sorry it's not building capital
it was just being on spaces
really open to talking publicly
so yeah those are the two
to have like a mix of both
because if you can't do both
if you can't be charismatic
on spaces why would anybody
ever invest into you right
just back onto the idea of like
is this guy talking about
if you were here from the
it's all an ego driven thing
it's like oh you know like
yeah I think it's important
to do the things we do right
and do these things right
that's the end all be all
but I think it is important
this level of competition right
it's like if I see my competitor
or just like another person
getting hundreds of likes
I'm like why the fuck am I
what the fuck am I doing wrong
I'm doing something right
yeah it's a reinforcement loop
that was such a great example
the person was putting out
and what the team was doing
but they didn't understand
you gotta you gotta get a
they're just kicking the door
that are have top tier products
and have people pump the tweets
you know a constant battle
different areas of expertise
but have really good marketing
I'm just trying not to laugh
like there's professionalism
let's all be professional
I gotta throw that in there
I mean I wasn't here earlier
of like outward facing founders
or product facing founders
advertising was done before
it was product facing first
a person is a brand right
you can't just throw NFTs at people
as much as you want to see
the people behind the people
because that paradigm has shifted
that's not what I wanted to say
chime in with that real quick
I was on a podcast last week
with Jenny on the blockchain
Keen and they asked me about a
that I think is so relevant
that Rudolf was saying earlier
you know people try to copy other people
their projects try to like adopt
from other projects that have worked
and I said this on the podcast
this is the next crypto punks
I'm gonna just throw my fucking phone
like stop fucking trying to make
the next thing that already exists
because the truth is that
the next fucking crypto punk
and we're all gonna be blindsided by it
and that's gonna be the pinnacle
and guess what's gonna happen
are gonna try to make the thing
that we didn't know was coming
and it doesn't work that way
have you have you seen that
what whale swoosh posted not
your quote unquote blue chips
everything like community action
like people aren't rocking
when we started declining
to a quote unquote successful project
was let's create the next blue chip
and now we're actually starting
if we want to actually scale this
tie into blockchain technology
that essentially is what NFT
that is an entity project right
that's what I'm actually starting
you can't really adopt the old ways
an innovation level too right
because they are fucking punks
but like you can't replicate
and everyone slept on them anyways
whatever that next thing is
and we don't know about it
but like three years from now
suddenly will become relevant
that we can't even think of
and you're like seriously
and you can't replicate it
the one big moment of time
is kind of the be-all end-all
and that's going to be the catalyst
now it's about the small wins
hitting the batting average
to having a good floor price
was you know the home runs
I think everything is changing
is whether it's a bull market
can't zoom out or zoom in
long enough to see it right
and it was such a huge hype
everyone's like oh my god
everyone buy every single coin
and then new people came back
but like during that time
and if you if you stuck around
someone's doing something
is there or is there a bull coming
and we're all like waiting
because you just didn't like it was
you didn't know what was happening
when you did you know hold it
initially had bought penguins budget
I had no assets at the time
because we're the same age
I'm like I like what he's saying
the living hell out of them
Luca is the Mr. Beast of NFTs
the first content creator
like first youtuber billionaire
what he's taking on right
with like how much influence
and now companies approach
because if we try to shill it
because they're just a fan
that people just get along
into the content creation
bitch I'm gonna watch that
really just roll with that
he's the weirdest shit ever
outside of crypto Twitter
I've been learning a lot about it
I just didn't realize I did
actually sells a lot of drawings
and she commissioned stuff
actually online right now
and one of my friend's sons
does the exact same thing
but they're trying to get
but I wanted to talk about
if you call it tax evasion
all of us sitting on here right now
you could use this as consulting time
to charge against yourself
so now it's a tax write off
you also spent this much money
meet a lawyer in Delaware
and set up a trust in Delaware
because it's better that way
for tax purposes and protection
and if you want to be sued
or not if you want to be sued
so there's ways to structure it
and that's something I think
you guys could all be doing that
since you're in the space doing this
like writing it against itself
I need to clip that actually
it's because I work for the government
anything to my real stuff
no I work for the department of defense
so I do public speaking communications
and I work for the board of directors
have you met Hillary Clinton?
no I would never meet her
sorry not as cheap as right
multiple times in spaces as well
but like they they're just
they're just financial instruments
regular average people don't
a lot of reading into laws
with it I'd be happy to help
that's where I can help that
actually because I had a lot of
friends that work for the government
I work for the government and
you figure this stuff out
yeah my mom works for the government too
on the social security side though
I appreciate you not as cheap
if anyone has any questions
I do actually want to end things
because me and Andrew were like
yeah let's just run an hour
this has been three hours
so Chulo go for it brother
oh I was just gonna ask you
that would that'd be a great space
yeah we always do underestimate
which is which is nice I guess
if you're new to the industry
of most things that you see
if people are putting stuff
or if you are new to the space
that someone was nice enough
and like I'll help you navigate
if you're if you're seriously new
if you have any questions
I'll see you in the right place
whatever it is that you need
this has been a good space guys
listening in the entire time
because Andrew has just been
of different spaces for us
I know you have one coming up
yeah we can jump into that one
we have the founder spaces
yeah just swipe right once
or maybe even the same way
yeah so we're having that space
basically the conversation
you know how can we prove it
what things do we like already
to the best of their ability
I you know we're very large advocates
that great questions bring
over a long period of time
and make everything improved
looking forward to that one Andrew
it's going to be a fun one
so why don't you drop every
when you have those spaces
yeah I have them on Tuesdays
I'm going to post a space link
so stay tuned to the menu
what I'm going to be marketing
next in the next couple of weeks
you'll be one of our speakers
but yeah I'm super pumped
understanding web3 culture
I just really like to talk about
because I'm so fucking tired
I know it's time for bed for us
Andrew did you have something?
Yeah we also have a space with Peter
I believe that's the Monday
that conversation is obviously one
that I look forward to very much
and I'm looking forward to picking
to be honest with you guys
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I think everyone who's spoken
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this has been a long space
but that's totally fine with me
hanging out with the friends
you guys could have been anywhere in the world
with you here with us tonight