Yeah, so just to a pass right now. I'm going to tag my team as well. Okay.
It needs one person to come to my team.
We can just start talking and people can chime in.
Well, we give it like four minutes and then see if folks kind of pop in.
So I'll have you bend to the spaces before the last one. Yeah, so I've been in a couple, but I haven't really been that active on Twitter spaces.
I had a four-host paper and so that's how I got started and it was really fun. So the first one was about network states. It was a really good discussion actually. It was around the college book and I never thought that things could even go
wrong with network states but that conversation was pretty eye-opening because they talked about it a still in future of the network state you know in bad people yeah bad people work together you know in the internet because already like happens you know in our band
people's bad digital communities already there who are trying to radicalize people or whatever, whatever and to do bad things but just another thought from that kind of use, it was pretty good to see you understand it
in perspective on that states. And then we did our first research, community research for a both user-based research, like just getting information from users.
And so we decided to do two rest spaces. So one was on defining entire clouds. We did that because we wanted the definition to come from the community. And the other one was on the challenges that thousand facing. And
What do I say? Those are the ones that we did. One is of the challenges, one doesn't define themselves.
Oh, that not the one that I did was with the co-founder of Ukraine, that one was I can be best because it was about designing dolls from first principles, you know, not
copy paste but really thinking it through and then designing it and I actually would want to preserve the conversation wherever maybe download it from to the spaces somehow and keep it because it was such a great conversation.
Yeah, that sounds like the ideal way to start it down. Not necessarily reinvent the wheel, but have your own full stack understanding of what it is that you want specifically for your use case instead of just working it out. Exactly. Oh, there.
us here and I think she's great. She can talk a lot about building communities because they started off as a fundraiser like there is money for Ukraine now but they and most most times you know
So Alonacans speak a lot about Q&Ao and they have constantly people joining them and they define their culture, their organization, health, their values and stuff like that. I think she's done an excellent job and she'll be great to share our culture with her community.
Wonderful. So we should invite her on this key page now. Yes, I believe I did. But it didn't go through maybe. Oh, now we got it. OK, cool.
Hi, how are you doing? Hello guys. I just joined to listen and now we're doing time I'm speaking. Are you guys building a doubt at the moment?
So this for the space is being organized by impact down here that's basically the ones that did the research on 12 and 10 miles, Illinois, and you were part of that research. And this is our research shared.
We're sharing the findings on to the spaces in terms of how those 12 and 5 dollars have built their communities. And since you happen to be here, as the teachers are from you directly, because you've done a great job in
And I know you've defined your values, your culture, and I think all those things are very important. And it's a great opportunity to share a little bit about that.
Sure, thank you very much for the very kind intro. So yeah, the way you cleaned our started was it was initially a fundraising initiative, right? And I feel like a lot of those kind of limit themselves to that, right? And that means that
that very often after the initial hype around the certain quotes kind of dies down, that means that things kind of fall apart. And the way around it that I found was I was seeking to deal with giant Italy.
I was like, "I do you want to do it?" I'm just literally such a dumbass. He was like in the early days after I think he was like somewhere around after we distributed most fun.
He was asking me, "Do you have any documentation written up?" I said, "No." He said, "You need it." At the time, I was like, "What do you even mean by that? What needs to be in that?"
I would say one of the most important things to start from is kind of defining what you are about as a community and writing up your mission, like your values. That's the hardest part, I think.
I think that took a really long time and if you did a lot of research, you had books, articles and stuff, wrote about your values, a list of values, then the truth is I'm completely confused, they were just not represented who you are as a community.
But it's really important that what you write on Bay Paranagal.org or a notion page that actually reflects the truth of how things are in the DAO. And then you kind of continuously enforce it. So you make sure that
that it's not, you know, things don't drift away from one another was you wrote that and it's also something that, you know, kind of discovered you don't need to know from the very beginning exactly what your mission is in terms of it, not it doesn't have to be stable, right?
You adjusted as you go and so obviously like when I started you bring the idea that half a year in we were going to have a huge like team of fact checkers that's like very active everyday and stuff but it kind of developed itself into that right and so
Once you realize that, oh, okay, I don't actually need to know everything from the very beginning and I don't need to solve every problem at the same time. That thing gets much easier and I also, I recommend everyone, there's a book, it's called The Advantage by Patrick Lensioni. It's really
really good for any, for organizing any group of people basically. I think I have a page, yep I have a page called Doge and you print out and you put together resources. Is that the advantage? Yep, yep exactly and so I think it's on this page that I will put up in the nest.
It's basically, it defines things that healthy TV needs to have. So the most important thing, according to this book, is organization or health. And that means that you have clarity within the team on what's happening. And you have minimal politics within the team.
been a more confusion and like low turnover, you know like contributors are now by the team. And so yeah, that's probably the most useful thing that I've read and Dima from the very beginning he told me to read that book and I didn't for quite a while and then once I did I was like I should have started for my
Cool. So that touched on a bunch of questions that I was going to ask. So that was wonderful. Thank you so much. So how do you keep track of the health of your community and how do you get your first members if you are in an impact out? We've also had blockchain and Appkins on board. Shout out to folks up there. Feel free to
to speak. They are a student-led organization at Hopkins that is open-minded for anyone that's interested in blockchain to get hop on board and get on board it and explore the space. So happy to have them in the room. But yeah, and then Deepa had
insights from research about three different types of impact hours that we can go over. So there's protocol like purposeful protocols like good dollar and then purpose driven organizations like you can doubt that are using Dow technology to organize something IRL and then I
I think there's a third one, Diba. Do you want to? Yeah, so basically we conducted research on 12 in 5,000, you can now is part of that list of 12. And what I've seen based on that, you know, we've had real conversations with builders and founders and what would be a
to observe through those conversations is that there are three different ways that people are building the communities. One is a very human-centric approach which you will now follow, which impact the media like my own. We are a doubt that's starting impact our, so we follow that, impact the follow that, also, climate the follow that, and it's a very human-centric
approach of actually from establishing relationships with your members, like high emphasis on establishing relationships, one-on-one relationships. Getting to know your community, engineering, engineering, what did STEM join with this? What did STEM join in telegram? What else
there, one of the motivation, you were inspired. And having real authentic conversations with them and having this one-on-one relationship with them, I think that's a very human-centric approach and I can understand if it's a deep fight out with 400 members, it's difficult, you know, or bank life with 20,000, I don't know if you remember so
So, as you see, I mean, that does grow to be impossible to actually have those one-on-one conversations, but then you can have people get ready to have those one-on-one conversations. It is so important to know why somebody is coming in with that. So, that's a very human-centric approach. And then there is a very, an operational approach, I would say, of, you know,
maybe not very human centric initially but later on. So which I've observed in the piece of, say, DreamDow where they have a very formal process of DreamDow is a doubt that change Zenzis and then they also have mentors from their three who then
train these young students which are 15 to 20 year old and in order to become a mentor you need to go and purchase an NFT. So I'm open see and once you purchase that NFT you can then be a mentor, the assignment or you also need to fill up a form so it's like they screen the mentors
But then once they have cleared everything and then they've probably been at the and then they've recruited the students, the students also have to go through a formal application process, then the relationship building funds, you know, and then they come into the discord and then and then because they're now
the process, they are in the discord and then the relationship part of it. For that model, they come to in the sense that good going is such a large organization. So many people hear about them from different places and they all come to them to the discord and then they have programs designed for them. So it's a very
one to many approach where they would probably do, you know, they do inspiring talks for them. I mean, that is the infrared, those kind of sessions. So it's one to many. So they're trying to form relationship with many. And in the process, some people want to then stop because they
inspired by the mission and all the talks and stuff like that, the day one of them work with them either as type of contributors or volunteers and stuff like that and then there's a deeper level of understanding and relationship building at that level. And then there are protocol based styles which are around a protocol, for instance, in fact market which is
are UVI programs for the poorest or poor people. So they have a poor of all that dispenses unconditional basic income to people living in refugee camps in Afghanistan and in a couple of each places in the slums. It's an absolutely great program. But they launched a
the donors who are donating to the program or to the protocol can now be part of the doubt and will say in the matter like in which country or community for the expound the program into. And which is extremely prevalent because in our traditional nonprofit world, the donors never get to have a say. Though they play a very important role
like they're actually donating money but all they get is an annual update or maybe a quarterly update in terms of how the money being spent. But here, you could be donated, they automatically become part of the Dow and they can now be in
the involved in the processes and decision making and that's a really great approach. With good dollar too, like good dollar was part of our study, they slowly decentralizing, progressively decentralizing this way. And one of the things that they decentralized is the recruitment of
ambassadors in every country. So they are also a UBI program on conditional basic income for everyone, but the focuses on emerging markets. So they have heavy presence in Africa, in Southeast Asia, South America, and
In order to recruit those ambassadors for every country where those ambassadors play a role in terms of spreading awareness about good dollar and the Liberia program, that process has been decentralized and they generally end up recruiting from their own users, you know, like people who are actually part of the, you know, who are the people
So, which is pretty great again because the recruitment process is not outside. These people already are very invested. They understand the value of the dollar and can actually very passionate and speak about it to the community, to the ones who are not introduced to the dollar yet. So, that's another approach.
I would say human that was part of the study. They started in the Philippines when XC and Kennedy the game was really clicking off. And I don't know if I can see an item is not here, but please face in Australia, the found space in America and there's another girl that I spoke to.
the Philippines and these are three people we had conversations with and actually the people who got scholarships they became part of their community. So they used to learn how to access those, I haven't played the game but you basically need to possess certain kind of characters.
and a lot of their friends that look you know, school, for this character so they had they could fill up an application get the scholarship and play the game. So that was when the X-Infinity was at the rice and so a lot of the initial community was seeded by the two people who benefited from the scholarship and now they are moving to a different
model where they would be more work to earn. So they're spanning to Nigeria in the Philippines, they're already there and in Argentina where people in the western world can buy an NFT and the NFT gives them certain benefits.
It's like they could outsource some parts of their work, like say a basic research or some data into work to these people in Argentina, Nigeria and the Philippines to do certain kind of work for them and they get paid in crypto. So it's a beautiful program. It's worth
to on and they didn't have to, you know, stable client and it's something that they're launching really fast and I think it's coming up very soon. And again, you know, everybody, all those people who are now, they've gone to a selection process, they've trained us
people and all of them are not even part of their data. So it's a very protocol based users, stakeholders who are part of the protocol that become part of the data. So that's a different model that basically seems to be the study of the 12 impact class. Yeah, that's wonderful. Thank you, Deepa.
So we've gone over how to track the health of your community, your impact down. Let's switch gears a little bit and talk about how to incorporate economic and diversity into impact downs. Are there any traditional tactics that you use or it's just kind of whoever's attracted to the value system and mission or
or what does the research say? - So I talked on behalf of Impact on Medium, as I said, we found a doubt from day one to study in Impact House. And our process was basically application based because I listed out the proposal of what Impact on Medium aims to be.
and what are the skills that we're looking at. And people applied, you know, the application may just have to submit either the Twitter handle or the LinkedIn so I can verify or evaluate who these people are, since you're dealing with people on the internet. And amazing, in terms of them applied, because maybe
people's led by the wind. So it's this very national to be the comfortable that somebody who needs your own product is a girl and therefore many more other women applied for the product. And that led to many more joining us as well. So it just feels very trustworthy.
and very natural, you know, like because it's been, and women are the forefront of this initiative. So, and when I also did go to dream now, as I said, dream now, train, and Z's because I thought it'd be great to have them involved in the project because it's a cure-all, that we is mostly something that they would leverage
I mean, everybody's using it, but it's the future and they're definitely going to be the future. So we had gene-bound members part of our group. So we got something like, here, kids for part-fug group. And then we obviously have some of the best men from the group.
a group who are supporting us and not initiative. So that's how we basically are very diverse. We have very diverse too, like we have people from all over the world, part of our doubt, not just from North America, not just from Europe, but a lot of information, Middle East.
Thank you for my question. I'm happy to return to the pizza from Korea and Japan with the doctors and it's very, it's very intense. You know, and this the space that you have right now is also very
issue of Pacific friendly, uh, prime race because it's mostly it's Tuesday morning for them, 7 a.m., 6 a.m., 9 a.m., you know, so it's very, uh, very, very, uh,
Okay, and how does Ukraine do? Incorporate economic and diversity inclusion?
I'm guessing it's a vibrant community because there's a lot of I don't know it's okay. I do realize that I do. I'm using my mic. I think that stands on she
funds that's run by my friend Rev Miller. He was, they were organizing, keep ducts on it with us. They were trying to address it more than us. So we were like, I think in many ways, it's a funny
I was a little bit uncomfortable with my friends, but I was a little bit uncomfortable with my friends, but I was a little bit uncomfortable with my friends, but I was a little bit uncomfortable with my friends, but I was a little bit uncomfortable with my friends, but I was a little bit uncomfortable with my friends, but I was a little bit uncomfortable with my friends, but I was a little bit uncomfortable with my friends, but I was a little bit uncomfortable with my#
just didn't we didn't have the balls to do it. They were giving out cash to young mothers and stuff but they would you know everything was key receipts as I was like super good like transferring and reporting and stuff but it's just something that
I personally didn't have, I just don't have the patience, I guess, to be tracking all of the expenses. But it must have been very helpful for many families on the ground who were left with no income at the time.
Absolutely. And I think a lot of impact ours are very much geared towards economic inclusion and diversity, whether or not we measure it in actuality as we're starting up or not. I think it's kind of baked in. But switching
What would be your thoughts on that and if you've implemented any kind of like protocol or system that like helps you weed out Bad actors. I'd be just super curious about to hear about that In terms of like paying compensation
Oh, I just mean like, from something from like spamming your community on Discord or like, you know, getting an app like, like, aping into something and not really standing by the values of it or just like examples like that. You know, I've never really been like, I've never really
in part of NFT crowds. It's become a coincidence that we launched this industry in the beginning, but I was never like really selling and buying an NFT. Something that I try to do right is that crypto in general is very right now. It's
It's a very in terms of inequality is not the best place, right? So for many people it just looks completely unapproachable and also like it has a reputation that it doesn't really deserve I think and that's why it should be because it's a very
young technology and also it's because there is not enough regulation. There is not enough regulation because many governments are very suspicious of Chris, right? And so we were super grateful that our government is different and that we don't have to like, we don't have to
fight with them over anything, right? And so they help just those with Keith Daxamit, but that's not what you're talking about right now. My point is that it's better, well, at least in our case, I tried to kind of set the example with the trends right with our own
examples. I've been putting together these pubs we learning some, I think I showed to Deepa and it's just like basically like a center page with all the info resources that I found helpful learning about the fee and kind of share it with people who are curious, right? So like we never
Like in our dollar, I think we are very different from others. Like no one needs to, there is no token, no one needs to like hold any token whatsoever or even know anything about crypto, which is I think it's quite unique. But yeah, I think in our case, on board
to Rubswee and using it for social goods. It's like very, it's not the main part of our projects, but I do believe that once crypto becomes more adopted, more widely adopted, and once there is more regulation, I think
it will become a much better and much more transparent option actually than fear. And so in that sense I think it's very promising because people often think that crypto is some kind of dodgy thing that you cannot see. Well what is going on? I'm like listen, that's actually the opposite.
There's actually like people doing nitty gritty good stuff. It's just not what comes to the forefront I think when a lot of people think crypto they just don't think oh there's people doing ubi experiments on it you know yeah and also actually my friend, Riz and Ikeizer she is helping org
organized Puerto Rico down. So Puerto Rico has been hit with a lot of flooding and landslides and yeah it's a very catastrophic at the moment. So being trying to help her a little bit, it's like setting up this great and stuff. So that's, there'll be another impact down for you deeper.
Another doubt to study. That's amazing. Can you post the 200 if it already exists? Sure. We love to spread the words. That actually goes straight into my next question, which is what does a future of impact does look like? And how do they interact with traditional social good
companies and divers and grassroots efforts. What do you think that looks like? I'm so curious to see that. But to be honest, something that I've realized was that I've seen and contributed to in order for things to move
forward, there have to be at least one person who is constantly full-time on this job running operations and stuff because something that I've seen in other projects is that if there is too much kind of
There is a lot of autonomy and distribution of roles and all of that. But if there is no one who feels like that's that daily duty to be doing stuff there, then it can become very clumsy and very slow. So I'm very curious.
this Puerto Rico down how it ends up doing but it's very exciting to see it all kind of I think you could have was the first one right in terms of like emergency response. There's another one. Yeah, I think the Indian script is really
They find the dynamic problem sounds a doubt. They got the largest donation of almost like a billion dollars from the dollar group. They maybe never called themselves a doubt but it was completely in Wall-in-D or run. They set up a discord channel. They even figured out how to manage, you know,
the sheep are token valuation because they didn't want to quickly liquidate everything so they slowly did it and how they figured out how to move all the money crypto money into India because to get any funding or penny shops which is from outside the country, only registered nonprofits can get it. They need to have a special kind of registration to accept for
contribution. But they know common sense of the Dow. I would think that they were the first disaster relief dow and the simply were going to run a different, I mean they're not as active as they were during the peak of the Delta outbreak in India. And so it's really amazing to see about Ukraine dow is that
you're also continuing with your efforts, you know, and you're very much active and out there because most of the disasters really die when they get their funding and they do that immediately, so there's an immediate relief.
and then there's a long-term rehabilitation. I think that can focus on both the immediate relief and providing long-term rehabilitation that would break and that's what you can do in quarantine.
Yeah, that's something that I love about us. And last week was really amazing for you to crane down and three community in Ukraine in particular because we organized Cape Dex Summit with the support of Minshey Flais, our Ministry of Digital Transformation. And I also brought this Alekwycheryn to you
Ukraine, which was completely nuts. It was like a few days before the merge. And everyone was like, you know, they would be like, every, so I don't know if it would be like crap. You know, if something happens to Vitaly, two days before the merge, no one's gonna forgive us ever.
But it was so good. There was a lot of security organized. So we were all well looked after and we had a hackathon developed a lot of cool solutions for Ukraine. And so to be able to go there and meet people in person and to bring the Dalek with us, it was
It was an amazing experience and we decided that we'll make it like an annual event. Then also, Mahala Padra was that Ukraine's wife's prime minister and Alex Brinikov deputy minister of digital transformation. So yeah, we were super proud because it was our
first event and now next year I don't even know how we are going to raise the bar. I'm so bringing Dalik via Green to find the Toshinaka motor probably for next year. So it's like a plan. What I'm curious about is
The mesh of not only onboarding people to web 3 as traditional organizations, like accepted crypto donations is part of that, but also the operations standpoint of having hierarchies versus not having hierarchies and having kind of like holocracies versus different kinds of organizations.
I'm not sure, at least in the US, the way that it works is very top-down. There's an executive director, there's employees, and there's donors who just give money, that's it. They may get an update like Deepa said, like once a year, and like how their money has been
or they get funding from the state. And the state is also very hierarchical in the sense of like having a mayor of the city that grants out all these organizations and different ministries or like subcommittees. And I'm just curious to see how
them melding together and having more ownership in decision making versus having it be like the guy who happens to be mayor or the woman who happens to be mayor or the person who happens to be the executive director says so and therefore like that's what goes. So I'm wondering like are there voting mechanisms
that impact hours are using successfully that are really going to be adopted by nonprofits or NGOs or like how do you see that integrate because it seems like much more of a cultural shift to me rather than like. I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I#
to the Dow model because they're close to the concept of crypto. The moment you say crypto, you are looked down upon. And so I've actually started not using the word crypto, or even the peer, I started the Dow and I said to the kind of organization. So when I was going for Mcon, the building held in Denver and I was
to the customs and the US customs and they were like, so what's the purpose of the trip today? And I'm like, it's for the Dal event and I gave him like a full full form of the Dal and I explained it to him, it's a new kind of an organization and that's excellent. So that's wonderful. Jump right in.
I'm not going to believe in my, like, I've been another person. I met the airport who was also going for an import and he's like, you never mentioned crypto because one, it was a crypto to bring me to another questions and the customs. So, so that was looking back here, but I never used to what crypto I said now and he said, great. So,
It's a new kind of an organization type, you know, and a lot of them who are stuck in the old days of doing things will never appreciate this new type of organization that has to be people who have the growth mindset and has to be the young.
who are being introduced to Web 3 and have no understanding of Web 1.2 but straight into Web 3 or people like us who have come from Web 2 but have this open mindset and ready to adopt embrace change and to basically just go with the post-ponsed
So a lot of them will never embrace the dowry of doing things. There will be new runs that will come to disrupt them. For instance, all the climate dow is trying to disrupt green trees. Green trees are the next excellent organization. They actually don't include any corporate funding.
and they do a lot of activism. But it's very close and when you create it, you can't really see how the funds are allocated and how decisions are made and all the climate power is trying to actually disrupt that and make it very transparent. And I think being on Discord, like anybody can join and sit on the sidelines and see how
on the open channels. The other members sitting on the sidelines can actually see what's going on. But then a few things actually get discussed in the channel. Most of the stuff is out there. For everybody to actually see what's happening, what kind of decisions we are making, what direction we are taking, and everything is up for a go-to-bright there in the squad.
Every time you happen to leave your house to grow wood somewhere else, there's a low water turnover. You see the elections every time. You've got to leave your house, you've got to line up, you've got to cast a vote. And this guy is a lot of people. Hence, this guy is me to go and vote sometimes because it's so much effort.
And so every time you meet with discord and go snapshot, first you need somebody to prepare a proposal, you need somebody, so you need someone to just prepare a proposal actually. And then you need to mobilize a community, you need to go snapshot, go vote over there. And sometimes people don't have context because you know,
We busy a lot of the people in our DAO are, you know, they have full-time jobs and so they just don't have time to go to proposals and understand. So the way we've been doing working in our DAO is that we list out ideas on this call and we just open up discussions right there and then and people
in the process. If they disagree, they can start, they can just raise a question and we discuss that question. People agree that it is worth it in the amount. It's been working fine for us. I can understand, as the Dow goes, there are like 20,000 people, it will be totally different. We will now get to that stage.
you can also have sub-dows and interdisciplinary dows and partnerships. That's going to be an interesting space. The new B2B is doudedow.
We're having talks about, I mean, as things come up, we will make the same thing. But right now we're very happy with our side, with everything like, in the infantar we have about 100 plus people, but there was a time when we had to spend 100 people and I'm actually spoken to somebody of them, you know?
And I've actually had direct conversations with them either through DMs or through phone calls and it's so nice to get to know them and what brings them to your community and what inspires them and what was the motivation and what are the skill sets and sometimes they might possess a certain skill but they don't want to implement that skill in your doubt because
They do this as their day job so they're already doing it but they want to try something totally different. And so our goal is always to empower them and train them so that they can bring the best to whatever they can to do with them. I love that outlook. Hands down.
I'm wondering if you think, and this is a little testy of a question, but if impact as would be the future of social do-gooding or if you think it's going to be like an adjunct, like an option of... It is the future. It is the future. Because a lot of people
people are dealing with their lives online and it's much easier to meet online than to meet in real life. You know and it is a lot of hard work to meet in real life. You've got to drive to a place, you've got to take a train or pass or whatever. But here you just open a laptop and you can connect with 10 other people. So it is the future actually.
And that's why we're so interested in the space because we've seen the future and a lot of people have not seen the future yet. So we want to be the one that can guide the ones who are coming into the space and provide them all the great documentation that they need to build their doubts. So we are very excited. We've already seen what
the future looks like a lot of them have not seen so it is going to be the future of doing good. Spoiler alert, that's my that's my lean too. Because I've seen a lot of nonprofits function in a way that doesn't actually serve their beneficiaries and I think that
that gap is due to a feedback gap, not necessarily because they're not intending to do good. It's just grants sometimes take like a year to get. And by the time a year has gone by, that need that they initially applied for is changed. And then you do apply for a different grant. And then they do X, Y, and Z,
and all of these different things happen. And it's just not a quick feedback loop. Whereas in Dow, as you mentioned, time boxing, the proposals so that you only have a certain number of time frame around an issue and context around the issue to vote on it. And I think that's really impactful.
You're immediately taking action on that proposal afterwards. I would assume. Yeah, you know, there's not a gap that's there right now in the whole impact power space is along fundraising. There are very few platforms in fact, us can actually go fundraise right now. There are, there's tons of money in crypto, but a lot of money from crypto is being
extracted, I won't say extracted, but it's actually being kind of to registered 501cp nonprofits or traditional nonprofits. For them, it's just something that they never expected. They never participated for this kind of revenue stream. Like last year, so many energy projects came and in order to differentiate, they started giving one percent
and 5% percent of the enemies are personally student on profits and non-profits never even expected this kind of money coming and it came to them and then I was disappointed the same way as an impact I would have because they did not understand the people who were giving to them you know they just got it because it
And so the same goes on, there are a lot of organizations that are there that fund all the money out of crypto to nonprofits. These are not saying it's a bad thing. Non-profits already have to go to the revenue streams where they're going to get the money from. This is an additional revenue stream.
them. But what I'm not talking is because in 5,000 times they start first because you know there's a need they start and that's what that's the beauty of that tree. You don't need to wait for anybody. You don't need to keep on information. You can just start. And then the world backwards in terms of figuring out the legal styles and
stuff like that. And because we don't have a certain number of months or maybe to be a year, it just limits the fundraising options. Because just within crypto, there are very few platforms. I think Bitcoin is one platform where they don't ask for a status and you need to start fundraising. And it's a great platform.
And there are also VCs that are specifically getting into REFI that are looking to invest in more product-based impact downs, I believe, but it would be wonderful to talk to them directly and just kind of see where the thinking is. I know Varian is doing investing in different
ownership economy models and I would consider impact as to be definitely on the forefront of that because you're democratizing the ownership over doing good which is not something that I've seen done particularly well in traditional outlets. It's mostly an organization taking credit and it's not you know
directed towards the organizational leader and not necessarily towards a lot of the people who have done the work. It's not to say that leaders don't do work. I don't mean to say that. I mean that it's very like drawing a line in the sand about who gets credit for what and
that determines who gets grants for what, whereas I think like, impact does using crypto as a part of their treasury is more a part of being in it like a member of an ecosystem, not necessarily just a recipient. And I think that there's like a limited interaction that happens when you donate to a traditional nonprofit versus
an impact out, who's like a part of the community. But my next question is does anyone have any questions that hasn't gotten to speak or would like to ask questions and would like to explore anything in our last 15 minutes that we have?
Feel free to raise your hand or request to be a speaker. I will hook you up.
All birds, do you want a join us?
I'll be sending Jordan to our community and he's very curious about Dallas and we've been having a lot of interesting conversations about them, but I don't know if he's able to speak every day. I just invited him, so no pressure. Whatever you have a question, feel free.
Or maybe just the bunny wants to join. Just the bunny just started hosting his own Twitter spaces with another Ukrainian lady, Tchana, and they were just doing a smashing job on so far out of them.
(speaking in foreign language)
Okay, well, I have a question for you since, since to your here. How did you get your first community members?
So I had a bunch of friends, right? And it was like three of us. It was me, Steve and Matt. Matt is also a habit-matting real life, but Steve and his wife, Martian, who runs our mental health support project, Mindful Web. They visited me a lot in this summer. It was very cool.
And so Steve, I knew him and I didn't even realize I only found out nature because I have like five second memory span. He was my support, like customer support agents for people's dow. We were looking, we were looking for like a computer payment system, me and Renata.
And that's how we came across YouTube, their labs, who are helping us manage strategies both in Ukraine and abroad stuff. And that's how it's team. So, Matt, he is a team that's from PizzoDow and Matt is also from PizzoDow.
It was like three of us in a group chat. I set up a discreet and yeah, it was it was basically Just us like we made a Google doc and these sizes like Brain like a brainstorming core and it looked the concept of it was like very different
from how it ended up being. But then on the 24th when the full scale invasion began, I just literally massaged the guys in the chat and I said that's the major cities in Ukraine are getting burned and stuff. And they started pulling
into the chat, into the telegrams, their friends, and a lot of them were like prominent people in Web 3. And honestly it was mad, you know, it was a typical day so in the morning I went to the broadcast, it's an embeining street. In the evening I come home and I opened my laptop
up and the disc that was literally like three or maybe five people max the day before I opened it and there is like I'm not even joking there was like 30 channels and like 2000 people and they were all excitedly talking to each other about some of the tea and I was like Jesus fucking Christ you know like honestly it was
I was thinking this, because I saw previously how self-organized very quickly. It happens over the course of like a couple days. It's so fast. But at the time, I already knew that my life was just going to be completely consumed.
I was in the same place, I was in the same place. At first I was in the first few days, but I was in such a state of shock that it didn't give us a thousand discards. I felt a bit distanced from
because it's something that you are capable of thinking about at the time. But fortunately there was lots of friends who were stepping into help and so they would like, drug me in when they needed something but otherwise I was like trying to reply to all the DMs which
quest for all sorts of help that was needed in Ukraine. And so that was all I was doing, that I was doing the first few weeks. But I think, I think the key is like Stephen I will in this sort of space in the beginning, like it was like out of February or beginning of March. He said something really profound that I think
described to Krain Dow very well. He said that he could very lucky that he was the most passionate person with the right skills that was in the right place. So each of us had some kind of skills that they could contribute to.
the DAO and we all kind of came to it was also it was also locked to some extent because even if you consider like I don't know the state of the market right I think it was perfect timing for us to raise a significant amount of funds probably if it was now
it would have been much harder. Not necessarily something that you can call a lucky moment, but it was good for, you know, in terms of being able to erase funds for your pain, it was not the worst time. Also, I think in terms of creating a community, I think
It takes time, right? So even if you have 2,000 people in your desk or they're all chatting, it doesn't mean that they're going to be there in a week's time, right? So very often with doubts especially, like if there is no sense of direction or even clarity on
what this community is about. I think people just don't stick around. So the way I think people need to understand that building a healthy team or building a healthy community takes time. So it's not something that's going to be just there in a day or in a
and it's not something that's going to remain digging itself, but it's on its own. So you just have to be present. Yeah, it's almost like inventing an infinite game with multiple core players is kind of how I like to think about it. And
That's really interesting. Yeah, you got to prioritize is it bombs are discord bombs are discord. No, it's literally that's what it's sometimes but that's what it's like so some of our contributors they'll be doing like translation work from like bombshells. You know, and that's unfortunate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. We had a hackathon in the
bombshells. It was a nice bombshell, I'm not gonna lie, it wasn't the worst bombshells at all. But I think the key is to something that makes people come back every day is
They have to be friends, right? So team members of these they have to have good relationships between them. So otherwise they're just not going to, especially in the environment, like our team is facing every day. There are some people trolling us, some bite-nicks, there is something else, like this
for campaigns and based on that. So you want to have people who want to have some sort of adherence in the G-Many, want people to kind of be protectors of one another. But they also have a lot of fun, right? So it's like a coping mechanism. Ukrainians are very funny. And we have had quite a few Ukrainians
suddenly join us over the last few weeks so it was very cool because it just made my life much easier you know they're very proactive as it's so much better for them because suddenly it's like I think I think what we'll have soon is there will be like kind of advisory council kind of
thing, but they will be able to direct the Tao in terms of its activity. So something that was always very important to us is to stay loyal to the perspectives of Ukrainians, right? And to not just doing stuff to make someone talk to them about themselves and stuff. So I think
formalizing that a little bit because we have it already now. We explain some things to like foreign team members and they tend to listen to us which we are very grateful for but it will be good to bring a bit of formal structure to the decision-making process but it's not so
not too over-competitive. In general, the Dallas, I think you just need to keep it as simple as you can. Because some Dallas, they showed me, you know, they are working on the documentation. They showed me the onboarding document. So, so, again, I look at them and I'm just like, "Five, no one's been able to read this." You know, obviously you do.
Even if you make it simple, people are still not going to read this. So I realized, I've been suffering about this a lot. I was like, how do you make sure that everyone is on the same page? And I realized the only way to do it is to just like read things over and over again all the time. That's the only way.
That was the approach that worked. It's going to be the microphone. The microphone. I mean, but that's really interesting to hear about Ukraine now because I think a lot of nonprofits have sort of like internal boards that are made up of their intended beneficiaries like for in like the youth homelessness space.
in the US, there's a lot of youth committees that report to the board of directors who then implement policy decisions for that organization based on the feedback that they get from youth who are actually homeless in a moment. So it seems very much about being
loyal to your roots and I really love that idea. Of course, like, within that context for those people, they are kind of not necessarily paid for that labor, which I don't necessarily agree with, but for them to have a seat at the table at least or be acknowledged
is important. But yeah, honestly, to us, the biggest problem over the last few years has been that people are just not giving us a sort of agency, right? So you see it very often as a
some kind of third party or like a witness just to something right and so we have refused the right to actually have a say and to control the narrative that's ultimately it's about us right so that's something that we are becoming increasingly protective about because I think
that this world would just not be happening in the first place if it's not for the sense of arrogance and ignorance from people who know less about Ukraine, right? And today it's like a very strange thing, like I cannot imagine like lecturing someone who is going through, you know, war and genocide and all of that. But
So many people have no problem with it whatsoever. It's wild, right? It's something that's going to change and it's so hard to change it because everyone is talking about Russian propaganda and how there may be a lot of different expressions. But then I look at people in the vast
and I'm like, guys, what are you doing though? That's not-- that's-- seriously, that's not true. Exactly. Because you're at too much the Stayavsky, you know? It's a little bit different. Just show a bit of humility. It doesn't cost you anything, you know? Yeah, it's like it's been real. [LAUGHTER]
That's fantastic. I mean, it's terrible. But like, one of the things that I'm building right now is guide and it's all about getting the benefits here is we're supposed to be getting all this like foreign aid and stuff like that to actually review the foreign aid and/or local city services that they receive.
see if they're actually making a difference that they're making. And it's a very grassroots effort right now on building on near and it's like the only people who get access to it are people who are actually poor or marginalized and like I am dedicating time to like listening to every single person who's like in what
ever situation they're in, meeting with the anti trafficking committee for the city that I live in soon this week to be like, "Okay, what do trafficking survivors need?" And like, can they come onto this app and then review all the services that they've accessed and be like, "This is a safe place, there's not going to be cops, there's no social workers, like it's just
passing along the information to other people who might be there in the future. So it's very much like, and those people who write those reviews are going to get ownership in the company. So it's not going to be. That's how it should be, right? So when you're developing something, whatever service it is, you need to go and ask the people that you're building it for. It's based
logic to me right because very often like Ukrainians very often they just they face for example in other in the countries hosting them some things that are just very intensive you know for example like I'm the international sense of those envelope that is like
a Russian and Ukrainian person, people hugging each other and it's really inappropriate at the moment during the genocide. You really don't want to hug any Russians. On an envelope. So, we are like guys, what the hell are you thinking? And it's not like they...
It's not like we said it for the first time yesterday, it's not okay. Right? You have to be very, you're absolutely easier to be doing this to us. And when people say, oh, but they meant well, you know, they're doing it. I'm like, I don't literally do not care how they meant. It doesn't matter. Like if you have, don't have the humility to have, like you create them
people engaged in just basic, it's just basic respect, right? So just assume that Ukrainians know something that you don't about Ukraine. It's very high for many people. It's annoying, I just don't understand it. Yeah, no, that's wild. I'm so sorry those things are happening. It's just really
brutally intensive. Every day honestly did you say near? Yes, yes. So building under it. That's cool. If you have those who can hear us actually the person who introduced me to the Dalek, if you have found a near protocol. Here's from the heart here. Yeah. Yeah. You're speaking to him.
Before the beginning of Qtxt, I met you at a Twitter space with him and that was a panel discussion with him, but he was in line. He was attending in person. So we're here. And so we got from the air foundation and built out the app and
We'll see how it goes. You know, it's beginning. Awesome.
But we are at time, so this has been wonderful. This is Impact Media Dow's hosting of Impact Dow Community Building, and it's been a wonderful discussion, so glad to have you guys on. Thank you for all listeners, too.
I will hang up if anybody has any questions, but if anyone's got a drop, no problem. Good night guys. Thank you very much.
I knew that disaster relief is going to be organized by a bell because it's just so much easier to come on together online. And thank you for providing your expertise. And I feel like we need to have a ready list of experts available in Web3 that can help them set up their multi-sale, cross-chain,
You know, accepting of donations or whatever, whatever like this is something like a recommendation that I like to get to the space. I don't know if I'm a leader. Maybe alone, I even needed and for the week ago and you know that can be did just have the list of go to people. This person is good at selling up.
setting up cross-chain donation or whatever needed. And you know this basically experts that are there available to quickly go to and disaster strikes because a lot of times gets wasted and finding the right people to help you with right things.
Yes, and so I will be able to steal alchemists from you, Deepa. So alchemists is gone. I don't know where he is. He's gone, where? I don't know where. So I'm not a big story him then. I'm not a jadevi don't know about you. You should find her. It's maybe science. We can put science back.
So, I just trust man, you know, that's all. They're just unreliable people. That's right. They may praise him too much. And that's how we should unpray maximum because if we're new co-host, this is the
I can tell that we are hosting. Oh, it's... I can't explain. Please don't run away. Max, you're doing great, Mark. You're just great. Good. I'm glad. I'm Jewish too, so don't make fun of my humor is well intentioned.
But yeah, cool. So I will close this out and see thank you to everybody and Despite ribbing I will be back here doing another space
Probably Friday. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.