So we have Lucas coming. Lucas is from all the space and I might even go to
I think it's just very first a very first or a space and so he's making a living.
Yeah, there he is. So you have actually got this right in front of me. Yes, I just invited him to speak. And I'm going to just start trying to keep people.
I might be very keen to learn about. We don't like 50 people who've conformed for it. So I think Lucas away goes as people slowly join in. And so what do you do? Yeah, we can give it a few minutes.
Yes, perfect. Okay, perfect. Yeah, awesome. Thanks for for for having me and also for teaching me the ways of Twitter space.
No problem. The three to ask me any questions. The favorite popular mistake is being muted while you're talking. So just be aware of that. Okay. And no need to mute myself while you're talking, right? Or are you hearing an echo?
No, generally people do. So that's just a little detail. So if you're not speaking, then put yourself on mute is good. OK, I'll just take that. OK. Awesome. We'll just wait a few minutes to receive people pop in.
Yeah, so yeah pleasure to meet everybody and hello to to them.
listening and joining us in today. My name is Lucas. I'm the Chief of Staff at Otterspace and together with Ben, one of the co-founders. I work on all things, partnerships, go to market, integration, for example.
Yeah, I think what we do this in all spaces, the league is really cool because so far we just read the paper, you know, the one that was released by the kind of culture and this and of course, you know, three people wrote the paper on so-called tokens, so it's all being very
But this is the first use case or the application that's being built out by all of space. So I'm really excited when I started, you know, when I did a call to contribute it for my research, you know, on doing a
And in terms of research and impact 1000 right above obviously I started with no money I had no money to begin with and so one of the promises to the contributors was that we give them so about tokens because that paper was just released and I have read all I think study seven to
And I'm like, well, the contributors get of all of these as we is and they can use these as we need. Go to the next style and say, hey, I've got these skills and you know, and there's a bit of a trust that's built because they have that in their world.
and then it can help them unlock economic opportunities within the factory, ecosystem to begin with. So I was really excited and then I went about on a spaces building it out. I was like, you've got to use them. You know, we've got to roll it out for our contributors because this is the best gift we can get them more than money, you know.
Okay, it looks like we've got a few people in the space, so I think we can go ahead and get started. So I'm maxing one of the co-hosts of Impact Down Media Twitter spaces. We hold Twitter spaces once a week or more depending on interest. So this is a special edition Impact Down Media space.
on SBTs. So if you are interested in SBTs, you're in the right place. People, did you want to go ahead and start on questions? Yeah, so I'm looking at what SBTs are because not everybody may know about it. And also how
on a space is building it out because I understand you all have a different terminology. A much more simplified terminology in fact you understand what SDP is really roll out or apply in real life. So maybe you can begin with a very basic orientation on SDPs and on a space application.
Absolutely, thanks Deepa. I think the point of naming is an interesting one on SBTs and so for those who are not familiar with the acronym stands for Soulbound Tokens. It was coined earlier this year when Pooja will have a Glenwild
and Vitalik Bureurin published a white paper where they introduced this term and also kind of covered the notion of the kind of token that stands behind it. And coincidentally, we were already working on something similar at the time. We were naming it an account bound tokens and kind of really
aligned with the same schedule for releasing it. Today we refer to them as badges and I can cover why we call them that way in just a second. But fundamentally I would say they are the easiest and most easy to grasp, I think
I think the description would be that they are the NFTs that can't be transferred. And so also sometimes they refer to as non-transferable tokens, for example. And that enables a variety of use cases. And I think over the next 30, 40 minutes, we'll dive into a few of them. And I'm excited to share some of our
perspective on those. But maybe just a brief section on, you know, why do we call them badges? Because we think that, you know, it resembles something that we've had throughout human history for quite a while now. You know, badges have been around for centuries starting with, you know,
be coat of arms, for example, in the middle ages showing your affiliation with the group, for example, a police badge identifying you as a police officer coming with certain responsibilities that that carries and also certain permissions. Also,
For example, the Scouts have bad just to show learning journey affiliation with a group, but also participation in different events. And there's a variety of more use cases. And the term "Soulbound" actually came from World of Warcraft, where there's an item type that basically once you pick it up.
with your character becomes barmed to the soul of the character and they can't give it away anymore and that's kind of the reference to the non-transfer ability of the tokens. And yeah, I think that's a very brief recap and happy to jump into more the fundamentals and what that enables us to do.
And what's the utility? So now that we have these badges, and I think badges is a great term than SVT's because we need to use language that people understand like if we want adoption and SVT is a term that's, you know,
Not everybody within the group people also know, and if you select people, you know, a small subset with no one else because he's also I'm kind of glad to be using the word badges, not just you get a much wider adoption because it doesn't
So easy to understand everybody knows what badges are. You get badges of honor and you mean the way you just explained it. So that's great. So in terms of the badges, what all can a dog deal with the badge? How does it help the dog?
Absolutely. And so I think the I will narrow it down maybe in kind of highlight the main use cases that we're currently seeing from our launch and our pilot beta that we're currently in. So for context to those who are familiar with us and yet other space we're building.
Dow Bad infrastructure if you will is basically building call author and token standard and protocol building protocol and you want to use and an app where where dials can get started using badges and we're currently in a private beta phase with 20 plus downs and so the use cases that we're kind of seeing and gaining
more and more traction in an emergent way. So we're very open to a variety of use cases and are around a four. So the first is around membership and membership within a community and kind of membership structure and bringing that on chain. So kind of using a batch to identify
identify yourself, show a variation with a group with a Dow, show what kind of role you have within the Dow, for example. And this can then also maintain your representation of the structure of the Dow. So for example, we're working with the team over at Sobal.
in the future be able to really visualize what does it look like for example. And the second use case is around building the first one, access management. So if I can give you a badge and I know that you can't sell that badge for example, then it's also a great
way to use that badge as a key for token gating, for example, particularly when you want to create experience within the dial where different access were different contribution levels, for example, unlock different statuses enrolled within the dial and different levels of access within the dial. So that's one approach that you could do, for example, in the work
with a variety of down-to-ling partners there to provide variety of access management capabilities that the band can unlock for you as a contributor of the Dow and that Dow can use to manage their, yeah, manage the everyday contributors' experience.
And then the third one, I think this is a very important one, revolves around governance. And specifically, we're down governance, and specifically we're seeing, yeah, it's going around non-financial governance. And I think people and our people's conversations and I think we'll pick this up today as well. I think particularly for communities such as Impact Down,
where there might be a larger interest in not financializing the entire interaction. I think this is very interesting for this category of Daos. And then also within Daos, we see a trend moving away from this pure one token, one vote voting and governance system.
where there is a tendency for voting power to kind of accumulate within the wallet of the few. You know, with large rails, for example, that then kind of has an outsized effect on governance. Towards a system with more nuanced governance where maybe, you know, the contributor role that you play within the
the Dow can have an effect on your influence on governance. And so in governance, I think there's quite a few things that we will be able to do with badges. And then, fourthly, we see use cases around education and credentials, particularly because badges only ever exist within the context
of an organization. So it's really important to know you can identify who issued the badge and it's a way to program it. You also ensure that this badge is authentic and that you really got a badge from a certain institution, for example. And so we're working, for example, with the team over at the token engineering academy that is offering online
course on non token engineering and then if you have badges and to as a credential that you've completed the course that you completed the program that you were part of cohort and that way you have kind of an on chain representation of that and can you know anybody can tell that this came authentically from the token engineering academy.
That's great. And you know, I think the badger, the badgers are, you know, allowed to based on your contribution.
because sometimes you can buy tokens with money but you know if it's purely contribution based then the only way to get those badges are the way you know being part of the Dow and actually contributing so that's that's really great
Absolutely, and I think we see badges as inherently not financial application. And so also in terms of user experience, it should also be very easy to use badges and also very cheap to use badges. So I can also touch on the fact that we weren't layered too at the moment.
to enable easy and task use and also very economic use. And I think this is also important in with regards to unlocking the next X amount of contributors to it that will be attracted to Dows and making it easy for them to kind of onboard into the DOWEQ system.
where you can kind of get started with contributing as opposed to you always have to buy your way into the Dell, for example. - That's right. I think it's still very important, but very because the Dalgurian talk about it in some of the articles before, like Dow, or contestation being more contribute.
You're led based on your contribution level rather than your financial ability to participate in that. And I think it makes more sense. Right. I mean, it makes more sense to have a blended approach, but just I think at the very baseline, just being able to just like having contributors have a say is more
important than somebody who just comes in by the token because they are the ones who are dealing with the problems that it's either they and have a proper context in terms of how they should go or things like that. So I think it's really important what you're going to be doing and I feel like in fact, our space is totally right to embrace this because in our research when we
had a one-in-one conversation with builders about 25 buildings and impact out space across 12,000. A lot of them said that they are not a big fan of financial tokens and they would never not be talking like the very strong opinions of that they will never ever introduce a token because the way the tokens are designed today, you know, that they were
speculative and you know, in fact people stay away from speculation, creating, you know, that kind of stuff. So it's going to be great like and for them because now they have a way to manage their contributors to non-financial tokens. The way to recognize them, a way to support them
because sometimes they don't even have good bound keys to give up to the country where it is because they're kind of like others underfunded but this could be a way to recognize them because having these tokens or badges will help these contributors. I love that opportunity, right? So it's so critical. So thank you for building up these badges and making
really easy for everyone to use them but then they go. And I think Max has questions around the development usage of it and some technical questions that he'd like to ask. And just one, if I just might
I kind of like summarize the point that you mentioned. I think it's very important to kind of hammer down that I think that just really are a tool to increase accessibility both for the contributors, you know, making it easy to come into the Douse space, but as well for communities you want to become Douse, right? Because it's a way for you to become a Douse without having to financially
I'm really bullish on this concept. I think initially when I heard of Silvan tokens, I thought it was like one token to roll them all a little bit in terms of like membership for communities. So it's really interesting to hear that there's different use cases for the
the EIP 4973 SBT standard that was submitted. Is that still in review or is that already passed? Just to dive into more technical details. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So currently the EIP 4973 is still in reviews.
and we're kind of gathering like final feedback in the community and have been getting a lot of feedback. And then there is another implementation on of someone tokens which is EIP 5192, which has like a slight variation and we can touch on that and from the same office essentially. And that one is actually already finalized.
So what are the key differences between a regular NFT and ERC 721 and a sold-bound token as outer spaces are currently? Is it just the non-transfer ability or are there other features that are important to know?
So I would say that there are a couple differences, but it's also important to highlight that the way that the AP 4 and 7 3, so the token standard that we are using for our badges, works is that it's like fully backward compatible with ERC 721, so basically any any any wallet or any service that is
that is already adjusted to using NFTs can also very easily then kind of onboard EIP 4073 because we kind of have all the same functions. And then with regards to the differences, the so the non-transparebility is obviously one important one and then what's particularly about EIP 4073
And three also is that a consensual minting has kind of been baked into the token standard itself. And what I mean by that is that the only way for you to receive or to have a solvon token of this kind or a bad is if you have expressed your your your your consent to receiving it. And there's a couple of functions within the standard
that kind of allow for this mechanism. So there's two distribution mechanisms. If you will, one is a give process where basically you give your consent up front to request the token from a community and then a community can then add a later point and provide this consent.
issue the badge to you or the other one is where the community can put you on what we call the allow like an allow list. Basically, I can say, okay, Max, you know, you're because of X criteria, you're eligible for this co contributor badge, for example, and then you can come and take or claim this badge. And so
When we look at comparing it to an year, 721, there's, I would say, those are like the two, two many differences where we have the non-transferability and then the consensual mounting. So you can't just air drop it to somebody. That's fantastic. So it's both push and pull compatible for a mounting. Absolutely. That's super cool.
know that there's some definitely some security concerns with pushing out and air dropping tokens without having it be user driven. So that's really interesting. Now, are there centralized control over the SBTs in terms of how their need or is it more like hooked up to like a collective of
users in a Dow, say, yay or nay for minting. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, I think so the way that we're representing Dow on chain is that we're, you know, our protocol has EIP 4 and 7 3 at 721 and because there's what we call the Raff token, which is kind of
the admin if you will of the Dow administration and and this is a side note you know we're ought to theme to raft is a group of orders which have you know come to learn in the process and that's how we that's how we native that way because others are very communal beings and and so basically whoever holds this raft token and this can be in a multi-six so it can be
control by a community directly, then controls the bad creation. So in the first step you create what we call a bad spec. So basically the definition of what is this bad, what is it named, what is the artwork associated with it, and then who is eligible to get it for example. And then in the second step
have users claim it. So the contributors claim their co-contributor badge, for example. And then with regards to like the control of the badge thereafter, there is a dual control, I would say, in the sense that a user, and this was also debated a lot around it. Sobontokens can also disassociate
you can see it themselves from a badge. So you can burn a badge that you have in your wallet and a community can also revoke a badge. So kind of both parties can just associate themselves from a badge. That's awesome. So basically,
So, you can mix a raft and then have it be controlled by whoever does the signing of the transactions in the community in the multi-sig. Is that correct? Absolutely, absolutely. And then we're also the way that
communities control the raft and the issuance and distribution of badges. On our side, we're not trying to be prescriptive. What we mean by that is that we want to kind of provide a variety of options and paths forward for communities to choose from. And so what that looks like on a practical level,
is that you can configure in the future different permissions where you could either say only the the raft token itself can control the bash distribution. And so kind of like further centralizing it, let's say in the controls of the multi-sake, or also spreading it further by changing the permissions
to anybody who holds a badge can then also create badges and issue other badges, kind of to enable a ground up or emergent distribution of badges. And one of the ways that play out is, you know, if you have a group of part leaders within your DAO,
Then each part leader gets the part leader badge. And if the permissions are set in the way where, you know, by holding a badge, you yourself are also eligible to create new badges, then each part leader can create a badge for their specific part. Let's say the marketing part or the the writer's guild and then this
within their own community and that way kind of spreading through the community and also making it very flexible based on what a community might need. That sounds really flexible for a lot of different kinds of doubts and I really like it. I don't think it was immediately apparent to me how
flexible outer space SBTs were and now that you're talking about it, I'm really unbushed. So like you said for badges for membership, does that mean that these Sorbant tokens can be used as a decentralized solution for Dallas for like preventing things like civil resistance?
Yes, that's actually a very interesting question. And I think there is definitely a way to bring reputation on on chain. And when it comes to identity and especially one human one vote, that's something that we're looking into. And I think this is a very
variety of ways that's how this could be enabled. Because one thing that's inherent to how bad just being distributed at the moment is that it's a what we call manual human agitation process whereby I look at, for example, my test to the fact that UMACs are another person by adding
you to the allow list for one of our badges. And then, you know, if I start collecting badges from different communities, and the only way for me to have gotten these badges is through attestation by another person, then the likelihood of you being an actual person, you know, with each community and badge that you get,
You might have all the size increases. And so this is like one of the ways that we're currently looking at you know also using badges to support communities with regards to to civil resistance. That's super cool. So like, so like, badge stacking is how I imagine it. Yeah, that would be the cool way to name it. Yeah. And then.
just put detailed question, is the art for the badge stored on like IPFS or RWeaver? Is it like just traditionally stored and then IPFS? Okay, cool. And then I noticed when I was looking at the app, there's an experience for badges, is that
or can you have like so many opens that are just forever that can only be revoked by the core that has access to the route? Yeah, great question. So and again, this is I think, you know, a point on our flexibility or the options that we're trying to provide and the
The exploration is optional. You can create a bad that is valid forever, essentially, until the owner may be burned at some point. You can also create a batch that has an exploration date. What's important to point out is that the exploration date doesn't destroy the bad. It's more of a, there's an active state.
within the bad, in the metadata, and then that state is kind of rendered inactive. And that way, any kind of downstream permission that you associate with the bad, so let's say you're using Guild, for example, to token gate your Discord of your impact down, and you work with seasons, then you could have a membership bad
that is kind of tied to the season and once the season is over, the access provided in Guild based on the badge expires. And then the badge is still in your wallet as a contributor and you can still point out, hey, I was a member of Impactile XYZ doing
and seasons 1, 2, and 3. But now that those seasons have passed, they don't get me access anymore, but it has still become part of my kind of untrained reputation. - Okay, so that's kind of like an instance where you might want to upgrade the SVT in case you continue to be a contributor in that community, right? So how does that work?
>> This is a great ability work. >> Yeah. So, when you're referring to upgradability, you mean going from one season to the next, for example, or you mean adding other roles on top? >> Adding other roles on top for that specific doubt.
Yeah, so I think it depends kind of on the structure and the contributor experience of the Dow wants to create, but you might have a bash that expires, for example, as a guest pass, so maybe as your first entry point into the Dow, and then once you've joined the Dow as a guest, maybe the guest
passes valid for one month or two weeks and then you get more and more involved in almost like a probation period, let's say, how you would have it in a traditional job. Once you've met a certain amount of contribution threshold, then you get a bet that identifies you as an early
contributor or as a level one contributor with the Dow that then maybe doesn't have an expiration date anymore, but is associated with the same riots and probably more than the gas pass. And that way you could kind of like onboard users into new dows and have an experience where you as a Dow organizer always
keep an eye on what does the active community look like by virtue of who's holding the core contributor badges, for example, and can still create an experience that's very easy for newcomers to also try out the down. Is that answer the question? Yes, absolutely. And then also congrats on the race.
So what does the roadmap for other space look like and what's next on the agenda? Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, we just announced a couple weeks ago. Yeah, so the agenda for us is packed. So, you know, we're heads down focused on building and shipping product at the moment.
It's been really great since launching the private beta that we're in at the moment, which was in August. So in August we went live on the Optimism mainnet. Since then, we've been working with, as I mentioned, multiple communities and have been getting a lot of different suggestions and signals where we should take it.
At the moment, there's a lot of things that we're kind of weighing off with regards to, you know, removing, you know, making the user students easier, especially when it comes to, you know, onboarding people who might not have as much of a, like, Web 3 background. So, you know, there's certain things that you can do to make it easier and more
web to like for example, so you know for like metal transactions or something to like look into them. And then also looking at, you know, where and where our communities so is this mainnet. And so if you may net something that is something we should take on in the next steps or also and moving from
our private beta to the public launch phase. These are all items on our roadmap and also quests. We have the manual, the manifestation method that I mentioned before, but also looking down the road into a process where there is an
So, you know, if certain on chain or off chain credentials are met, you're eligible for a badge. That's awesome. I'm super bullish on this now. Awesome. Thanks. Yeah. Another question.
question. Are you, is outer space itself like dog booting this concept? Are you a doubt yourself? Are you, are you organized? And how many members were core team outer space? Yeah, great question. So the, the, the outer space core team is 10 people at the moment. Nine of us based in
Berlin, Germany, and one of us traveling the globe. We were following the progressive decentralization script, where we start with the small core team focused on building the basic components
and setting up the basic product. And then as we go, we plan on bringing in more and more of the community and starting with, with Bounty's for example, starting with bringing in external contributors and then decentralizing as we go essentially, but kind of getting to
to one way that I like to look at is kind of, you know, if you have a flight, you know, the, you want to be fast to get up to the cruising altitude. And then once you're the cruising altitude, that's when you're in a good position to decentralize and give to the community. And then this, yeah, then basically result in doubt.
- To make sense. Thanks to all of us. Do you have any questions? - Hi, yeah. I was wondering, is there like a documentation like an open source, like materials, resources that we can check about your dog governance framework?
So we have documentation around our protocol for how you can get started with it. And then we're also releasing content regularly on how we view certain
and such as our governance and working with different gals, those on providing input, you know, also from our learnings. And I think that will also come out in the in form of blog posts very soon. So I can definitely share with Max and Deepa some content that they can maybe
share with the community after the call or after the space. And if you head over to other space at Merida XYZ, you can have CD, the content that we already have out there. And we'd love you feedback.
So, you know what I intend to do, look at says that I'm going to share this recording in we have groups on Telegram, my discord which is mostly made about in fact, people that I highly focused on the impact side of crypto and
And I'm going to share this recording recording at multiple places, but also I intend to do an article on auto space for crypto good, sub-sac for readers. And I think it's really important that we spread the word about you guys because what your building is truly excellent.
And it's just a new way of dying. You know, it was till date, it's all being around either you have tokens with your financial tokens or otherwise, you know, there's no other way to properly manage your contributors.
You know, other ones like on chain or just record keeping, you know, to be able to as well as it has to be done very manually on spreadsheet and stuff like that. So this is a great way to manage, thousand contributors and just recognize
than for the word, which is not just a poor app, but in a way that they can use those tokens and go ahead and just, you know, getting used to new opportunities because now they have these credentials with them that say that it's before.
Yeah, I have a question. Are you connected with any kind of like web 3 CRM's that are being made? I know 3RM is one. It seems like it would be particularly useful for an interface to connect different kinds of contributors later down in the roadmap. Yeah, so firstly, you know, thank you.
Deeper I think we would love to contribute on the blog post that you mentioned and really thanks for the support Deeper has from one of our rockstar supporters since a long time ago now and it matches with regards to your question that that's an interesting point I think we have some like
We have a list of tooling partners that we're working with at the moment. And I think CRM is not yet on it. So we'd love to explore that space and thank you for that suggestion. Yeah, for sure. I can introduce you to one of the founders. That'd be great. Thank you. Yeah. Are there
any kind of interesting origin stories to do with outer space, we haven't talked much about your background or how you got into doing this work. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think with regards to outer space, I think it's the, we started
out by kind of talking to a lot of DAO's and DAO contributors and kind of landed on the DAO onboarding challenges in the beginning and really figuring out what is the best way to onboard DAO's onboard contributors into DAO's and make that as a smooth experience as possible.
And that was kind of the version one of our product and through that, you know, we're closely with a variety of doubts that we learned that the, like badges, which at the time were still off-chain and kind of representing membership and were one of the, like, the
key functionalities and key challenges that Dows are facing. And so we kind of like zero in on that and start really focusing on that. And that's kind of how we came to the point where we are now where we're looking at it in a way where we provide the infrastructure of badges and also ultimately see it kind of as
providing a public good. And then really want to work with a lot of the Dow tooling community and the Dow community in more broad terms on providing functionality that's tied to the edges, but badges themselves always being very lean and primitive.
And then for myself, I've been a web 3 lurker for many years, I would say, and then you know, it was the other thing of joining the team because I previously worked with one of the co-founders. Cool, cool, cool. Yeah, so how did you get into web 3? Just having deeper in.
to background questions. Absolutely. I think in 2016 I was I think I intended my first like Ethereum hackathon or was like a very short like event and and I was just reading up a lot on you know blockchains and Ethereum always
struck me as super interesting because I think it was so intuitive, right? This notion of like the world computer and we have AWS and you know what is an alternative that is maybe not overly centralized. And so that has been like on my interest for many years and I also wrote like my
the time my undergraduate thesis on the topic and then went into the SaaS world, the software service and kind of stayed in Web 3 on the private time and then recently this year I decided to be the bear market as the best time to build and then asked a great time to
can jump in and be heads down focused on building a community in a product. It's amazing. I got introduced to Ethereum through East Denver and going there on News and Adaptive. Yeah, that was a 2018. So you're updating me a little bit.
We're still early. If you look at the world at large, I think there's so much to go. I just recently attended DEFKON also for the first time. It's been a really great experience seeing how much is happening in the space.
And no one's talking about prices, but everyone's talking about challenges and opportunities in building. It's been really, really great to see that. And I think I'm very, very optimistic about where we're moving as a space, especially in the Ethereum ecosystem. - Do you need to? - So, Mike, I have a question.
I was wondering why you think fair market is the best to build because of the outcome is going to be like economic stability or is there going to be any opportunities why you think it's like the best thing to do.
connect there for split second. Sorry, why do I think what is the best time to build? The question was, why do you think the bear market is the best time to build? Okay, yeah, so I think in the in the bull market and last year for me personally at least was the second bull market after 2017 and now last
There is obviously a great lot of attention that comes in and new users and it's a perfect growth mechanism. By the same time, there's also a lot of the, shall we call it, like the get rich quick mentality that kind of flows into the space and a lot of people who are attracted by number go up.
And then the incentives are not necessarily light with what are we trying to accomplish long-term, but what are we trying to accomplish short-term? And then once the bull market cools down, a significant portion, at least in the past, of those people
people who came into the space during the bull market stay in the space kind of convinced on about you know why what we're trying to achieve long term I would say and so in the bear market you have every bear market has a larger and larger space of the people involved in building in the space and the the
market is a great time to focus because you don't have these distractions of ICOs happening or there is new defy things happening or this new NFT collection which in the bull market can draw a lot of attention and so in the bear market you can kind of be focused on building and pairing for whichever is the
next cycle, if there is a next cycle, and then build great products that then draw new people in. And every time we go through the cycle, the space overall grows and more talent flows into it. And yeah, so I think it's more quiet and it's a great time to kind of focus on building that. I hope that answers the question.
Yeah, it's great we answered. Thank you for that.
Thank you. Do you have any more questions? No, I think it's covered a lot and I've been very lucky to get introduced to other space badges and as we do again and again and this is probably the tip to my technical
And I'm not really an unofficial ambassador of art or space like I love it talking about how cool the bad is our and how it sort of changed the Dow game in totality, you know, because it's such a new concept and it didn't exist. I've issued existed from the very start so people could have made right choices.
of them I'm sure would want to move to this model going forward like not being financial but not financial but I think it's great like and I love your coat on you know building in bear market is the best time to build it's so true because you can actually focus and get
All because of the right things actually and minimize the structure so it's so important. So thank you so much. Notice for being with us today and as I said we're going to convert this into a blog post and share this regarding environmental cases so that our community impact up community that can join us.
people join us today, but they can all, it needs you to listen and really about it. Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Deban Max. And for anybody out there who would like to learn more about autospace and mobile building, you know, you can obviously find us at autospace
on Twitter or other sites.expoz online, you know, I have it to jump in a conversation and see how we can get people started with badges and learn more about what this primitive ultimately will serve us for because I think there's so many things
things that we can do with this. And yeah, a lot of the use cases haven't been thought of yet. So I'm really excited to be on this journey with you. Amazing. Thank you everyone for joining us. And if you have any questions, then I will be around for a couple of minutes and we can see if any of the
listeners want to step up and ask anything, but we have covered a lot of ground on SBTs. So, yeah, just a few minutes to ask anybody, has any other questions? If not, then we can certainly post out early.
All right, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all the questions and then have a great Wednesday evening morning, depending on where you are. Yes. Thank you. I see you guys later. Bye. Bye.