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In Conversation w/ Artist @mumbot 👻
Recorded: Nov. 7, 2022 Duration: 1:07:49Space Recording
Full Transcription
Welcome, welcome. Thank you for everybody. Thank you to everybody for showing up and thanks,
Mumbot, for being here. We're super excited. Thanks, friends, for joining us and for Nifty
Kit for hosting the space. I'm just going to play a little song while I pin some tweets.
So I encourage everyone to please tweet out the room, DM your friends, and let's get in
the mood for our chat with Mumbot.
Hi. I don't know if you heard when you were connecting. We're going to just share out the
room and play some music while we do that.
Okay, I will retweet.
Settle for the ghost of you, I miss you more than life, and if you don't be next to me, your memory's ecstasy, I miss you more than life, I miss you more than life.
One blood dance is always tomorrow, I need more time when time can't be fun, I'll leave it on my head if I get the fire, it's just a love that's a love that's not a day, I want you to know that it's going to be close to you, I said I don't want to go,
I miss you more than life, and if you don't be next to me, your memory's ecstasy, I miss you more than life, I miss you more than life.
One blood dance is always tomorrow, I miss you more than life, and if you don't be next to me, your memory's ecstasy, I miss you more than life.
All right, before this song gets super sappy at the end here, I'm just going to go ahead and fade that out, but I picked that out because Justin Bieber seemed like a harmless person to play, and he has a song called Ghost, so I was like, this is appropriate for me, and just, you know, celebrating the ghost, you just had a really big drop that went really well,
so we're definitely going to talk about that. GM everyone, thank you again for joining us.
I like that, I like the beat.
I love this album, too, it's very sweet.
Yeah, so hopefully, you know, this is going to be a little bit of a retrospective on your work, Mumba, and I'm very excited that you're joining us today.
I'm very happy that Nifty Kid is hosting the space, and I'm really happy to see friends in the audience, so thank you, everybody, for showing up.
And, you know, Mumba, I'm a huge fan, and I finally had the chance to successfully mint one of your ghosts, so excited to talk to you today, excited to talk to you about your work.
And as I've mentioned earlier, just, you know, I have been aware of your work for a while, we've been in spaces together, but never really had a chance to kind of dive a little bit deeper with you one-on-one about your work, so I'm excited for the space, and I can't wait to hear more about your art and your journey.
But before we chat, just a little housekeeping, I want to let everyone know that we're going to be bringing some people up towards the latter half for Q&A if we have time, so if you're requesting to come up then, we'll bring you up then.
So with that, we're talking with Mumba today, who is an amazing artist and a pillar of the NFT space.
So firstly, if you can all take a moment and check out some of the pinned tweets we have above, you can follow along as we talk about Mumba's work.
So welcome, welcome. Thank you for being here today.
Wow, that's an amazing intro. You're such a good host.
I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I was going to say that, you know, kind of like looking through some of the tweets that you sent over and then just kind of like reviewing some of the things that I've seen over the months,
you're such an exciting, bright light in the space and your art is both fun and dark.
And I think that that's why a lot of people connect to it.
And that's initially why I was attracted to your work as well.
But, you know, for those of us who are just learning about you and your work, I would love to hear in your own words more about Mumbot pre-NFTs, like early Mumbot, because you have a fascinating background.
So I'd love to just start off by hearing about your IRL background as an artist before you entered the space.
And then let's get into how you arrived in the space.
Wow. Okay. Yeah, thank you, by the way, for inviting me to be a part of this.
And thank you to Nifty Kit for hosting. And thank you, everybody who came to hang out with us.
Yep. So I'm Mumbot. I'm an artist, storyteller, world builder, creator of Mumbot World Brand.
And, yes, I've also been in Web3 since early 2021.
But I'm also the founder of Ghost Club, which is a global creative community.
But, yeah, but before Web3, I was doing 2D illustrations, paintings, and toys.
So that is basically my background pre-NFT.
And I'm still doing all of those things, but now I'm also doing more.
That's amazing. I'm looking – I mean, you have this extensive CV background, as we call it.
You make physical works, NFTs, products. You have a brand.
You make plushies, which we will discuss at great length later.
I'm just kidding. We want – that's a personal – that's my own personal love of your work.
I love the toys. I would love to have you generally recap some of your earlier NFT collections,
like when you first came into the space.
Like, what were those collections?
Like, namely, some of your favorites.
Firstly, what inspired them?
And then more specifically, how those kind of set the tone for what you're creating now in the space?
Okay. Yeah, sure.
I mean, to just get – just to kick off making an NFT, I was first not sure.
Like, I was learning a lot, and I was just trying to get myself educated.
And I had a foundation invite from my friend Joshua Davis, also known as Pre-Station.
And he's, like, an OG code-generative, like, animation artist.
But also, he was my teacher in college and a friend.
He's a good friend of mine.
And I didn't do anything yet, though.
And then I met Cyrus James Kahn, who was working on a different project with my husband and a client, who's also a friend, out in Thailand.
And I was out in Thailand at the time.
And me and Cyrus just really hit it off.
And we were having a lot of discussions.
And we, you know, we started getting into a collaboration.
So that was my very first Genesis entry into this space.
And so it wasn't collections, actually, that started.
It was that collaboration project with Cyrus.
And then he minted it on known origin before they had a collaboration option.
So I'm not technically on-chain, but you can – but I am because, you know, I'm listed in the description and whatnot.
And so that was a really great way to enter the space because Cyrus is amazing.
And we have just, like, evolved.
Like, we've kind of gone super Saiyan since then with our collaboration.
But a few weeks after that, I actually did mint – I had enough ETH that I was able to mint a piece on Foundation that was my solo Genesis piece in March 2021.
But I think it's cool to mention that the only reason I even had any crypto was because of a painting I sold IRL in 2017.
And I sold the painting to a guy who was like, oh, I just made a bunch of money in crypto and I want to buy art.
And I was like, oh, that's cool.
And then when he collected it, I said to myself, like, oh, I should probably, like, reinvest some of this into my first, like, crypto.
So that's actually why I even had any and was able to participate in this space to begin with.
So that's always – that's a fun fact.
And I haven't shared that factor too much.
But the piece that he bought – this is kind of a weird fun fact.
Lots of weird full circle things.
The piece that that dude bought in 2017 is called Wizardly.
And it's, like, this girl who's, like, a nature spirit carrying a dead raven.
And, like, you can see some of my other characters that I use a lot more in the background.
And she's walking through, like, a purple forest.
And that was the piece that Gary Vee shared last September in 2021.
So, like, that was the first piece that I think he found my work for from.
And he bought some of those.
And then he also was – and then he also bought – he collected the pieces that me and Cyrus had put up, the Genesis piece.
And that – those had been there for, like, five months or something.
So I have a question.
And with the piece that you and Cyrus collaborated on, did your paint – like, your IRL crypto sale predate that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
So then moving on when you – so you did the collab and then you moved on to the next collection.
And what was your thought process with that?
Were you, you know, making works then, like, for the, quote, NFT space?
Or were you looking, like, you know, how do I incorporate what I do IRL to fit in the space?
Or were you just, like, thinking just out of the box?
I know you do have thematic work that, you know, fits seamlessly onto the blockchain.
But I'm just wondering, like, how you were actually thinking about it.
Oh, this is a really good question.
So pretty much didn't – I went right into doing work on Tezos, actually.
And while I was trying to plan out, like, how I will drop a cohesive collection of some sort, I was putting out work on Tezos.
And I was – I actually made a piece specifically for that.
And then I started putting some stuff that was older work up there because I felt like I couldn't really see it fitting into a collection.
So I ended up actually – that's how I made that collection.
I was like, oh, this could be kind of all the things that might not fit into a cohesive collection, right?
Like, so – but I still – I still wanted to eventually make something that was more specific to Mumbot World.
And I had been working on some pieces for a solo show with Strange Cat Toys Gallery.
And then when I finally had, like, some more ETH, it was, like, last – 2021, August 2021, or July.
July or August, I'm not sure.
But I finally had a little more ETH.
And actually, fun fact, I had a little more ETH finally because, A, not a lot of people know this,
but I did a little side work for my buddy Bear Brains on Space Poggers.
No one knows this.
This is, like, just a fun fact.
So, yeah, I had a little ETH from that.
And then also, I won an NFT in a clubhouse room.
And then I flipped it, like, immediately.
And I got a little ETH from that.
Not a lot of people know this.
So as soon as I had enough – and gas was high, right?
So, like, that's why.
Like, people don't realize gas was freaking high.
So, like, we couldn't mint stuff just easily.
So, you know, I had enough to start putting some stuff up again on OpenSea.
And that's when I started my Mambao World collection.
And so, yeah, a couple pieces were from solo shows.
I had one at Clutter Magazine, which is a co-show showing alongside Ron English.
So me and Ron English both had shows happening at the same time at Clutter.
And I also had some work that was thematically, like, cohesive from my previous solo show at Strange Cat Toys Gallery.
So I knew I wanted to add some of those to this collection.
But I also had newer work that I specifically made for that collection as well.
And basically, the idea behind that was I knew that I wanted to kind of portray, like, stylistic, but also the storytelling elements.
And start introducing the characters, the main characters of Mambao World.
And just kind of give myself some room to not be locked into anything.
Because what you said earlier, I forget how you worded it.
But, yes, I didn't want to do something necessarily that I've already seen people doing.
And so, like, for example, one thing that a lot of people are like, ooh, are you sure you want to, like, put, like, a pencil drawing up as an NFT?
Like, I remember I got a little bit of heat from that.
And I was, like, even more sure at that point that I did want to do it.
Because people were questioning it.
And I knew that it was good.
I was, like, I like this piece.
And I want to see more stuff like this.
So, anyway, I'm going to do it.
And then it went really, really well.
My first graphite piece I put up in that collection in Mambao World was, I think it was the Egososon.
No, no, no, it wasn't Egososon Friends.
It was them approaching the portal.
I don't know which one.
But one of those two.
And it kind of was a good way to introduce all of the characters in a setting.
And, yeah, and it was, like, a one of one.
And it was an auction.
And then my next, I think, right, well, right before that I did Shroomy Mushroomy's Ice Cream Sheet, which was actually a painting on birch panel.
And that, like, sold out in, like, four hours.
And I was really surprised.
I was, like, whoa.
And then, yeah, the next one was the one of one graphite piece.
And then after that, yeah, I just kind of kept cooking along.
Like, every week I would drop something new.
And August was a good month.
And then September was crazy.
Yeah.
I love how you're so humble.
Like, I was just showing my work with Ron English.
No big deal.
For those of you who don't know who that is, it's a major artist.
Which is one of the cool things about artists like yourself in the space.
Because you're straddling two spaces at once, right?
And you're finding a way to work in this space and still maintain your integrity in your, I guess, we're calling it our Web2 presence as artists.
But I wanted to go back to something you were talking about with storytelling.
Because when I look at your collections, it looks like, you know, from the beginning with what you were working on, your collections, it's apparent that you have a great deal of interest in storytelling and building that.
And I would love to hear you expand on the building or, like, the creation of Mumbot World.
And does that fit in with the Ghost Club?
Like, maybe we could talk about the Ghost Club a little bit later.
Because you do have a really loyal community.
So I definitely want to touch on that.
But just to start to talk about the storytelling aspect and the creation of Mumbot World and how that came about.
Sure, yeah.
Also, just FYI, my kids are coming home from school right now.
So it might be loud in the background.
I don't know.
I don't know what might happen.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I was working towards building the story for years, like, really long time.
And I definitely don't have, you know, I didn't go to school for that per se.
But I did do 2D animation in school.
And even before that, I was always into, like, comics and making my own little comics and short stories and character development.
I've always been into that.
I've always been pretty dedicated to world building.
And it comes naturally to me to, like, try to come up with backstories to stuff and let things come together over time.
So, like, Augustus, my main character, who's also been my PFP forever.
Augustus, you know, is kind of the beginning.
But there have been other characters that have come out that are, like, from, you know, the same world that are, like, nature spirits and whatnot.
Shumi Mashumi and Mossy, the moss spirit, for example.
So, and one thing that I would do is, like, you know, mind maps?
Oh, like, a mind map?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I would, like, you know, even if I was, like, sort of coming up with a small short story or what have you.
Like, I might just, like, write it or I might just draw it.
Um, as, as I've developed these things, I've, I didn't start out, like, a standard way is what I'm trying to get at.
I kind of had to figure it out on, on the journey.
And, um, at one point, I had all these stories and different things and they were scattered everywhere.
And actually, a good friend of mine was, like, you should make a mind map.
And I was, like, what's that?
And, uh, she was, like, you know, one of these.
And then I was, like, oh, yeah, yeah, I've seen that.
But never for, like, for storytelling.
So, it helped me a lot.
This was maybe back in, like, 2015 or so.
I, I made the mind map.
The mind map really helped me a lot.
So, I, I was able to kind of, like, um, figure out the core storyline, core main character.
And then, like, who would sit right outside of that and be kind of, like, um, supporting characters.
And then I have all of these, like, side characters and, and, you know, different storylines that could be less important, but could also be, like, little Easter eggs into, you know, something, like, farther down the line.
But, um, girl from the forest floor is, uh, a character that, that's going to be, uh, pretty significant.
And she was the, she's this, you know, main subject in my, in my genesis, um, on a, on foundation that I, that I mentioned before.
Um, she's, like, the great-great-great-granddaughter of Augustus.
And, um, that, that character kind of first appearance was, I think I drew her for, like, a chibi manga guidebook that, um, that was published in, like, 2016, I think.
And, um, it's, like, a bunch of different guest artists, you know, who contribute to this, um, guidebook.
And, um, I featured Girl from the Forest Floor in it, Augustus is in it, Shroomy Mushroomy's in it.
And I had done some other sketches of her in the past, but, um, I hadn't released anything, like, official yet until that.
Um, and I knew, I knew that I wanted to also channel some stuff that, that, like, not only I'm dealing with, or maybe I'm, I'm sort of thinking, like, would be something that I haven't seen yet.
Like, other, like, other, um, creators putting out into the world that's, like, kind of, like you said, like, kind of dark, but also, like, has, like, a hopeful brightness to it.
Um, so, so, yeah.
So a lot of these characters and the storylines are, you know, I have goals, you know, I have goals to, like, sort of get some of this stuff out into the world.
And, and one of the things that I did was I created, um, a pitch Bible.
And I was actually, I was pitching this as an animated series, um, during the pandemic.
So, yeah, so I had, like, you know, I, I am in the process of reworking the pitch Bible, actually, um, since, like, you know, this year.
But it's, but it's just, this year's been so bananas and intense that, like, um, yeah, it's taken me longer, a little bit longer to get it right.
But, um, I'm pretty excited about it.
I have, like, uh, a good feeling.
You know, I love that you just brought up things like mind mapping and a pitch Bible because, you know, I'm looking down at this room and majority of people in here are artists.
And I think, like, this is a good example to show that this is what separates the novice or the hobbyists from professional artists.
And somebody popped up into a room we were in earlier and was praising you for the way that you conduct yourself as a professional artist.
And that is not lost on me because it's incredibly hard to make products, to sell art, to do marketing, and all of these things.
And that's literally what it takes.
And I think especially as things move so fast in this space to be able to keep up with all of that, it's just very impressive what you've been able to consistently put out.
And, like, the quality in which you put the work out with.
So I, you know, that's just some extra love from me to you.
And also just kind of a beautiful thing to be talking about in this space because you are an inspiring artist and we all inspire each other.
But to drop little gems like that, like I said, like the mind mapping, like the Bible, like these are tools that we can use to build for our collections, for our, you know, whether we're putting it on the blockchain or IRL that are just really useful.
And, you know, coming from an artist like you really mean a lot because we do want to know your tips and tricks.
So I really appreciate you being so vulnerable and being really generous and sharing because, you know, a lot of our, we don't want to share what we're doing.
You know, we want to keep it to ourselves.
But I think in this case, this just goes to show, like, again, like your character, what a generous artist you are and being in here and sharing that with us is really nice.
I want to talk about your comics a bit.
Um, but before we do, I kind of want to set a primer for that by hearing about like these early ideas around the storytelling aspects of your work, like as a utility, like, do you, do you see like coming into the space and, and building out you, you have the characters, right?
And then I know that you're dropping these different projects, and sometimes they're comics, and then there's physicals, like that to me is, is so interesting.
And I'd like to hear you kind of maybe like, you know, talk a little bit about utility in terms of your work.
Yeah, um, cool, for sure.
Yeah, I mean, I guess I should start with saying that I'm also a collector.
So I've always been, I've like been a collector forever.
Um, so, you know, for me, when I, when I create, um, I come from a perspective where I like, really enjoy the relationship between the creator and collector.
Um, I, I really appreciate that, like, um, I could always add something if I want to, to like, you know, something that I'm creating.
I mean, it's, it's like coming from like the toy collectible world, where, you know, someone might collect a toy that you, you made.
And it means so much, like, when someone wants to, to collect your toy that you're so happy.
And when you're packaging it, I think that experience of like, creating the package for the collector has, you know, that's, that, like, I throw in stickers, I do a little hand drawn card, you know, I add extra value to the package of the collector who bought the toy from me.
And my experience from doing that absolutely crosses over into Web3, because it's like, um, you know, hey, like, you could be a part of this, um, you know, essentially, like, you're, you could be eventually like the producer, you could be, get a producer credit, um, if we, if this thing pops off into something way bigger than we ever expected.
And I would be so happy to add that, you know what I mean?
And it's the same, because I feel like, if I bought, if I collected something, and I just wanted to support a project, because it looked fucking awesome.
And I was like, Oh, shit, I want to just see this happen.
You know, I, it'd be like, so cool to get get a little credit in the credits, let's say, of the game or, or the book or the album, whatever it is, like, if it's a
whatever it is, you know what I mean?
So, uh, I don't know if I answered your question, but, but no, you, you, you did.
And also you brought forth some, some other things that I was kind of thinking about with, I don't want to make this about like success, but I'm going to use that word.
And what I'm about to say is that I think that this also can really determine the amount of success you have with collectors in the space is maintaining a relationship with people, you know, that collect your work.
All of the extras that you put into it, I think means something and helps, you know, keep that bond going and keeping people up to date what you're working on, which is, is another question I had for you is what is the ghost club and how can we all get into it?
And is that for collectors only?
And is that another way that you stay connected with your community?
Yeah, I mean, well, uh, yeah, we have a lot of collectors in there, um, but it, it started off with really a way for, um, creatives to get together.
So it was, it's a global creative community, right?
Where we, um, kind of gather and share our process.
We do co-working, um, in the live stream on discord.
Um, we share resources and tips and, um, I mean, we, we host workshops, you know, we've had, um, workshops for lawyer stuff.
I don't know, uh, how else to word that we've had, uh, workshops on, um, smart contracts, um, with the amazing Jeff Jag in here.
And, uh, we've had some, a few other people do some smart contract workshops, like the, the third web team.
Um, we've had, uh, workshops on cybersecurity and that was really, really helpful even for me.
And like people who've been in the space a long time were found that really valuable.
Um, what else, you know, we do Twitter spaces and we host artist spotlights and we do like open mics and stuff where, where these are just all ways to, um, continue kind of, uh, passing along what I've learned.
All the best things that I've learned since, since, since not just being in this space, but even up before this space, like, you know, um, supporting, um, creative creators, like doing art shows and whatnot.
Things, things that we've done in the past, like all of it kind of has come together to create what we have now in ghost club.
And it's just all different ways to support each other and uplift others.
Um, you know, like even the simplest things, things that seem simple now, but weren't to, to some of us, like even a year ago for like formatting your tweet, you know, having a pin tweet, um, what, what, how to format it.
And like, what kind of content you need in it, you know, some of this stuff doesn't come natural to artists, um, discord, discord tips.
Like some of this stuff doesn't come natural to people.
And even though, um, you may not master all of these things or even half of these things, you know, the fact that we're there and like, you could, if you want to, you could come in and you could ask somebody and somebody will help you.
Like that's important, you know what I mean?
And, um, and not only that, but even simpler than that is just, if you're, if you're working on something and you need to kind of have that social factor, human interaction, like we're there, we've got you there too.
So, you know what I mean?
These, I hope that, I hope I explained ghost club a little bit.
Uh, it's like, you're, you're really modeling, fostering a community versus just having a community, right?
So I, I, I love that.
I didn't even know.
That's why I asked what, what you guys are up to in there.
Cause I'm not in there yet, but now I'm, my, my interest is peaked because there are these things that, you know, maybe people don't feel comfortable discussing.
Or it's, there's kind of a vibe in the space too, that a lot of people have moved on to other things.
So going back to that kind of one-on-one vibe would maybe feel, um, you know, this would feel like a very welcoming community to be part of, to learn some of these things.
And yeah, and then to learn about more advanced things like smart contracts.
So I, I, I love what you're doing, like with your, your discord and with, with your community.
And I wanted to, just for the sake of time, we have about 25 minutes and I want to bring some people up for some, some Q and A.
I do want to talk about the creation of the hundred ghosts and your partnership with Coinbase and how you approached that collection.
Oh yeah.
Uh, I'm so, first of all, thank you anybody who helped support that collection.
I appreciate you so much.
Um, yeah, that was something, you know, super fun to work on.
I really enjoyed the process of making all of the art for that and, uh, you know, coming up with the plan, you know, for how to, how, how that drop should work.
Uh, where like, you know, we decided, oh, how cool would it be to have this be sort of a way to like, it's almost like you're getting a raffle ticket by, by holding one.
You get art, right?
You get the art, but then also in addition to that, it's almost like you're also getting a raffle ticket to possibly win the original physical one of one artwork.
And at, at the price point that you're, you're, you're coming in at, you know, you normally wouldn't be able to get an original piece of art.
And I, I always love to come up with new fun ways to kind of do cool things for collectors.
And I thought like, Hey, this is a, this is kind of cool.
Like this would be pretty neat.
So yeah, we, that's what we did.
And, um, and, uh, pretty excited about it.
Also, like in terms of working with Coinbase, um, it was really a pleasure to work with Coinbase.
And, and I, I have to say like, you know, they're in beta, right?
So there's, there was stuff that they were still building when we were preparing my drop.
So, you know, there were things that I wanted to do that they had never done before.
So they had to literally build the front end, uh, stuff for me during that, uh, process.
And we had technical difficulties.
There were issues.
Some of it was on my end.
Some, some of it was like, I don't use, I don't come from a corporate background.
Like, so some stuff isn't natural to me.
Like, like using a Slack, like work thing.
I mean, I've used it, but like I barely, so they're just like, like, I'm getting like
all these different messages from them in different places.
Like check the Slack, you know, check the Slack channel.
And I'm like, all right, all right, let me, let me get used to checking the Slack channel.
Um, but, but it wasn't just that.
But it was also like, um, there were, they were cool.
Like there was things that, you know, I really wanted to make sure.
So like claim conditions, I really wanted to be pretty fair so that more people could
have a chance to get a piece.
So I had, you know, implemented stricter claim conditions than maybe what they would recommend.
But, but that was, that was cool.
They respected that.
And that also though made it so that it will not be an instant sellout.
Like that's not, that wasn't a goal of mine.
You know, I mean, my goal was, I'm thinking about the longterm, right?
So I'm, I'm thinking about the collectors who really want it, you know, um, and also
considering the fact that, you know, I don't do any of that with sketchbook collection, those
sell out instantly, you know, and it's a different collection, you know, it's different.
It's like the whole point of that collection is to share my process, but also to provide
an easy entry point to collecting my work, you know, something that's more affordable.
Um, whereas this one, it also comes with this option of possibly winning this physical
original, this painting, right?
So I thought like, well, you know, let me, let me try to make this as fair as possible.
Um, but yeah, it was also helpful that I've already used third web since May.
I used a third web, their smart contract tools, um, for all my collaborations I did
for VCon because we had like a series of drops, um, during VCon and I, and I made all those,
uh, smart contracts using third web tools, but yeah.
So that helped with some of the issues that we had, but now I think moving forward, I think
that they will have a front end, um, situation all set up for creators with Coinbase that you
don't have to go into third web, but like, if that's a little bit, uh, daunting or seems
a little weird to you, like, it's not that complicated, but if you haven't used it before,
it could, could seem a little complicated.
Yeah.
And is this, the hundred ghosts, is this the first of a series that we can expect?
That's right.
Yes.
Okay.
Give us the alpha.
So this is drop, this is only drop one.
And so this is 15 artworks out of the 100 total artworks that you will see.
Um, yeah, we're actually probably going to have drop number two in March.
I was looking, I was thinking March.
So yes, I'm excited.
That's really, that's really exciting.
Yeah.
Cause I was, I, this was the first time that I've actually bought an NFT through Coinbase.
So I was like sweating, like that skit from Canpeel.
Cause I was like, oh my God, like if they're going to sell out.
And I was really surprised I was able to snag one, but I'm curious about like the price point.
Did that factor in when you were pricing the work that you wanted to make sure that
the collection was a certain way, uh, how you felt about, you know, people entering that
were essentially coming from maybe not inside your circle that you've built.
You know, here in this space, but that you have a whole new audience out there that is
now about to interact with your work and potentially purchase it was, was the price a factor in
creating this collection?
I mean, yeah.
I mean, I thought really long and hard about the price point and I had done some market
research with my, um, mom bought one of one collection.
So those were like, um, pieces that the utility is that they come with the physical painting,
but fun fact, I didn't release that information till they had all been collected already.
So that was like a surprise later on.
Um, so those were all going for around 1.5 average ETH.
And then, um, you know, so, so I did the math, so I, I had to do math, even though math
is not my strong suit and it, it made sense.
And also, you know, I was like, yeah, I was thinking like how to, how to make this not
too high because obviously I really want to make sure it's accessible and yet also to
reflect the value of the original piece that could, could come into play.
Yeah, I love that.
That's, that's very helpful.
And my takeaways are artists, learning curve, math, and slack.
Those are the two things.
If you want to take us down, just give us arithmetic and, and slack business and, and we'll be like,
ah, but, uh, I want to bring some people up soon.
I do want to ask you, um, just one question while we're doing that, going to bring some
people up for requesting.
So if you want to request, feel free to do that now.
We have about like 15 ish more minutes, but I do find you to be one of those trailblazing
women in the space that many women and other artists, but mainly women look up to because
I feel like, and also after having this chat with you, like you're doing it all.
Like you have a family, you've managed to make your way through the space in a sophisticated
way while also spreading joy through your work.
Like we didn't even fully get into like all the physical toys you make and how you're very
successful in that field as well.
But how do you feel about being a role model or the idea of a role model in the NFT space
or web three?
Ooh, that's a tough question.
I, I guess I, that's a tough question.
You know, honestly, like I, if, if I have that role, then, then I have, I do feel like I
have like some responsibility.
Right.
And sometimes, sometimes it's a little heavier, like of pressure than other times.
And, you know, I'm not going to hide that.
Like that's, we have to admit that stuff.
It's, it's, it is hard when you feel like you have that pressure.
And yet at the same time, I think more than, more than ever, it's important for people who
do have the, that kind of pressure or, or, or in those positions to continue to, um, voice
our, our, what's the word?
Like the mistakes that we make or the patience we had to have, or, you know, there's all these
factors, right.
Where like people just see the success and they don't know how hard it still is or, uh, that
you're still human when you still have anxiety or you still have a bad day.
Like you still have like days where maybe you're less productive or, you know, or whatever,
whatever it is.
Um, I think it's really important that, you know, I, I, I never felt like I'm not a natural
speaker.
I get anxiety and I, I get weird and sometimes I just mess up and I've been in like space,
a space where I felt like, uh, like I totally like was not, I didn't handle it well.
And, and then, and then I'd like two weeks later felt like I did a, I did a panel talk
and I like rocked it.
You know what I mean?
It'd be, it'd be, it's so weird, but there's times where I've noticed that I feel very passionate
about certain things.
And when I don't hear anyone else speak up or, um, have a, uh, represent the voice of like
the artists, independent artists and creators or people from other countries or people from
less privileged situations or, you know, when people aren't being inclusive or whatever the
subject matter is, or people just aren't educated on a specific subject that I know that I am.
I feel, I've found that I'm like, Oh, I'm glad I was in here because I need to say something
because no one else is saying anything.
So that just kind of happened.
And I don't think, um, I don't think I would have, this like whole situation, this whole
web three, uh, situation, like have kind of gave me this, this more of a platform, I guess.
And, and I didn't expect that, um, you know, and I, I still prefer, I mean, I don't want
to say prefer, but I do enjoy one-on-one time and I enjoy like help helping, uh, people one-on-one
as well.
I just don't have as much time to do it.
So I get why, like, sometimes, um, it is helpful to have the platform and to be on a panel
or, or what, whatnot, like where you could speak to more people at one time.
Um, I love that.
And, you know, I think it's, there's something to say for that with artists because we're
not naturally maybe the most outgoing people, or we tend to be more introverted or the introvert
extrovert or the advert, whatever it is.
But I think that when you're coming from a place of integrity, you have everything to
gain and nothing to lose in the space because you could just turn around and keep doing what
you're doing anyway.
So I think if you're polarizing, but you're in integrity, like you're just going to be
building, like you're building towards a long-term career as opposed to just a flash in the pan,
which I think is so exciting for artists in the space because we're here building, but
long-term, um, with that, I want to give some time for some people that have joined us on
the stage.
I know, um, Mr. Brian, you've, you've been up here the longest and then I, Jeff, you have
your hand up and also Jimena.
So please, um, let's start with Mr. Brian.
Welcome to the stage.
Hey, what's up everybody.
Hey, Jessica.
Hey, Mumba.
Hey, Nifty Kit.
Just wanted to say what's up.
I literally just woke up at like 5.30 AM in Japan and saw this room and I was like, awesome.
Um, um, yeah, I have, uh, two questions actually.
Um, I just wanted to shout out Mumba and Nifty Kit.
I love you both because, um, I'm doing, I'm actually doing my second Nifty Kit drop today
in six hours.
And, um, um, I have, so my first question is for, uh, Nifty Kit is, um, if you guys are
going to do a platform, if you're going to create like a platform, cause there'd probably
be no better time than right now.
And then, um, my second question is for Mumba.
When is the, uh, the next sketchbook drop?
Cause I keep missing them and they go so fast.
So let's have Mumba ask or answer that question.
And I want to see if I can get someone from the team up in the meantime.
Awesome.
Thanks, Jessica.
Well, Mr. Brian, thank you for the question.
Uh, I'm a little swamped with designer con prep.
Designer con is a big, big show that is creator focused.
Uh, it's kind of like comic con, but instead of it being like the companies, it's like the
based on like the artists.
So, um, I'm preparing like a whole bunch of stuff for that.
That's November 18th through the 20th in Anaheim, California.
And I'm in the web three section.
This is their first year having a web three section.
And this is my fifth year doing designer con.
So I'm really excited, but it's a ton of work and I'm going to be doing work all the
way down to the wire.
I, I, I don't, I don't need to pretend like I don't have to do that.
You know, is that for ghost club or Mumba world or both?
Both, both, both, both, but, but I'm doing a lot for Mumba world and I'm letting defiant
do, you know, his thing with ghost club stuff.
He's, he's also working his butt off on some stuff for ghost club.
So defiant is awesome.
Shout out to defiant.
I posted the ghost club link in discord link in the chat.
For sure.
Thank you so much.
And Dan, I want you to, um, welcome to the stage, the man behind nifty kid and to Terrence
T pay.
Um, do you want to ref, uh, refresh us with your question again, Mr.
Brian?
Oh yeah.
Hey Dan.
Uh, nice to meet you.
Um, yeah, I like, um, I'm, I'm bullish on nifty kit.
Uh, like I said, I'm doing a, my second thing today on nifty kit contract.
And I'm just curious, like, I know you guys have the dashboard, um, but I'm just curious
if you guys are going to do like a full on platform anytime soon.
Cause, uh, manifold recently did the gallery and there's a lot of things going on in the
space.
Um, and I feel like nifty kits, like one of the good guys, you know, like one, one of
Yo, we appreciate that.
And yeah, there's the space is crazy right now.
Lots of stuff going on and we do have creators backs, you know, there's a lot of stuff to
consider and, um, definitely come through on Wednesday on our AMA.
You know, there's still a lot of stuff that we're processing, making sure that, um, you
know, we're clear on all the facts of what's going on and, um, yeah, there's so much we can
do, um, would love, you know, any of that feedback on Wednesday, but we do have some really
great stuff as always, uh, in the brew.
So, um, you know, if there's something specific that you're looking for, I think big thing is
this, uh, this royalty thing and what's happened with OpenSea.
So we'll address that more Wednesday, um, and then, um, any other kind of features that
you're looking for?
Yeah.
I just wanted to mention to anybody who doesn't know, I did come in a little late, but like
I know one thing about nifty kit is that they're very support oriented and customer oriented,
which some other platforms really are not.
So, um, thanks.
Thanks Dan.
I'm going to peep the AMA on Wednesday.
Appreciate you and good luck today on the drop.
Thanks a lot.
Appreciate it.
Thanks for coming out.
Can I also just say if nifty kit was, is ever down to do a workshop at ghost club, we would
love to host you.
I just put that in the Slack.
Nice.
Yeah.
Let's go.
Yes, I am in Slack.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, so we're going to go, it was Jeff Jimena and then, uh, sloth and then our last, uh,
primal key, just a really quick reminder for anybody new in this space, please, no shilling,
keep it to questions for Mumbai.
And then also, as Dan mentioned, we do an AMA on Wednesdays, please come and join us.
They're 3 PM Eastern standard time, 12 PM Pacific standard time.
And you can ask specific questions about your project there and it's welcome.
You know, it's, it's an open forum.
So please come to that, set a reminder for that.
And, um, yeah, so let's go Jeff.
Oh, 3 PM Eastern.
That's perfect.
Cause that's right after the smart contracts for artists room.
Oh my God.
Oh, weird.
So weird.
Hey, Mumbot, um, appreciate you.
Uh, and, and I, I have two questions.
Um, first off though, it's very selfish of me because I'm a collector of your hundred ghosts
and I didn't know about the, the raffle for a possible physical.
Um, how, how do we know?
How, how does that work?
Like, well, would you have to register it somewhere or how do we know?
Okay.
Yes.
Um, thank you for asking.
So the, the, we had a whole party with the raffle going down in my server and I did like
a billion announcements and I'm sorry that you missed it, but you know, the holders, some
of them are in the server, right?
In Mumbot world discord, not ghost club discord is we did it in Mumbot world and, um, we have
a channel specifically for 100 ghost holders.
And I also posted all the winners in the announcements channel as well.
So, um, you might want to go check that cause you could have won.
There's some people who won and they haven't claimed and we've been posting and posting
and there's no way to contact them.
Yes.
I, I, I come across the same exact thing and I appreciate all that you're doing to contact
people and going through all that because I have that same problem.
I've done giveaways personally and it's insanely hard to get ahold of people because Ethereum
addresses are not Twitter accounts.
And so it's, it's just like one of those things.
Um, but, but like, yeah, I appreciate that.
I'll go check that out.
Uh, I'm, I know I'm in the ghost club.
I've been there, but I don't know for sure.
It's in Mumbot world.
Yeah.
You have to go to Mumbot world because that's, that's where this is at.
And where would I find the link to that?
Is it on the Mumbot Twitter?
Yes.
In your profile.
Okay.
I'll post it.
I'll post it in the chat, Jeff.
Okay.
Sounds good.
And, um, and then, uh, what I thought I had another question.
Anyway, thanks for mentioning me earlier.
Appreciate you.
That's all.
Thank you for, first of all, thank you, Jeff, so much for, for coming in to ghost
club, doing that amazing workshop.
You did it twice.
You did two workshops for artists that helped a lot of people.
And also what you do for the community really appreciate it.
And also thank you for supporting and collecting a hundred ghosts.
It's my first Mumbot NFT and I'm so happy to have it.
So seriously, that was really cool.
And I'm glad that, you know, that was like a, a buy-in point where I could get it, where
it wouldn't sell out in the first 10 minutes.
Aren't you scared though?
I really, I was like sweating and I didn't know how to use Coinbase yet.
So it was, I think we were all collectively worried, but now excited because, because
we got our Mumbots.
Um, Ximena, welcome to the stage.
Thank you for being up here.
Part of the fam.
I could not miss a hundred percent.
And, uh, you are so amazing at hosting and your voice is amazing and the way that you
conduct this is so beautiful.
Thank you so much for hosting Mumbot.
And to you, Mumbot, I could not miss coming up here and literally sharing all the flowers,
giving you all the flowers.
Uh, you were just exactly like you just presented yourself, like just chill and complicated,
smart, practical, fun, like beautiful in and out.
I mean, everywhere.
I, it was a pleasure for me to hang out in Beacon and kind of, you know, just share kind
of the vibe, like one-on-one like that.
It was very intimate.
Um, I absolutely love Defiant too.
I love that you two get like on your little rants, uh, on the discord and I love it a lot.
And I think it's so spicy and cool that you guys support each other.
Um, and I, you know, just, yeah, admire everything that, that you do.
And the quick question I had was for anyone listening, um, probably for me as well.
Uh, what are some tips when you kind of, you know, just are down, uh, as yeah, obviously
you were mentioning earlier, like all artists here, like hit, you know, or ups and downs.
But when you're down, uh, in kind of those dark, dark spaces sometimes, what helps you
kind of get up and, and keep on?
Um, that's a great question.
First of all, I love you, Ximena, and I'm so grateful to know you in this space.
Um, and geez, I just, it means so much to hear you say those things about me, um, because
you just, you know, also a person that I think is such a great example for others.
Um, but for, for me, um, to answer your question, I think one, a few things, I do a few things.
Uh, I like chocolate, uh, chocolate helps me, chocolate, coffee, um, hot shower, what else?
Outside, going outside, being in nature, um, here's my top, let's say top five.
Um, music is huge, huge, like I cannot, um, sometimes just listening to something that
makes me feel really good, like just some songs that put on a playlist, you know, just something
that gets you pumped or like helps you kind of shake off whatever it is that you're dealing
with. Um, I think that's my top five suggestions. And, and, and, um, I think if it needs to be that
you like step away from your work for a little bit too, like those are all different things that
kind of force you to step away from your work for a minute, right? So that you can like reset.
Um, I think that's the key so that you can kind of like, um, get back into your work in a fresh
way, you know, just with like different vibes. Yeah. Reset the vibes.
Love it. Thank you so, so much.
Thank you, Jimena, for, for popping up. Always love you being in spaces and just another great
artist and role model in the space. I want to get to, um, Sloth and
our other friend up here, uh, Primal Key, and then we're going to go ahead and wind it down.
So welcome to the stage, Sloth.
Hey, what's up? Mumbot, great work. Uh, super pumped. I popped in here and like the, it sounds
like it's like kind of last tail end. So someone might've already asked this question. If they
did, feel free to just tell me later or something. Um, curious. I'd love to know, um, if there
is one thing that you would want your collectors, holders, or just anyone that comes across your
art to take away from your message or mission, what would that be?
Whoa, that's a good question. Hi, Sloth.
Um, thinking. Hey, hey. I mean, you know.
It can be, it can be a couple of things. It doesn't, and maybe, I don't want to maybe
just think along one, but like you have such a good energy and vibe, love listening to you
talk. And so I was just curious if there's like, there's something that you enjoy that
your work brings out of people maybe.
I'm just, I guess I hope, I mean, I do share a lot of different kind of messages and, and, and
vibes. You know, I, I don't, I don't know. I guess it's nice when I hear, I've heard so many
different kinds of feedback from people, um, that have actually told me that like my work meant a lot
to them or in some way, like it, it affected them, help them get through something that they
were dealing with. Like, um, I've had some people who had like loss, they were dealing with some loss
and like it, it kind of helped them somehow cope with it. And it like brought like a lightheartedness
to some sort of serious subject matter. But also I, I, it's not always that sometimes it's
bringing a sense of humor or, um, making you more mindful of, of things that are, you know,
kind of like nature related things to, you know, in a way to make us not feel alone, but also
there's, there's other things like how long, like the universe is going to be here and like
how to maximize like what we do and how we are in this short amount of time that we're here on the
planet. If, if that's just a little few things. I love it. No, thank you. Thanks for letting me put
you on the spot with a, a hard, deep question. I love, I love the response. Appreciate it.
Thank you. Thanks, Sloth. So we're going to wrap it up, but I want to take one more question from
Primal Key. If you have a question or comment, the stage is yours.
Oh, I do. Yeah. Thanks for having me up. It's nice to finally talk to you. I actually have a
couple of the room 707 keys and I wanted to ask Moomba if she had a magic wand and it could only
do something for creators in like the future, what would be the one thing she would want to see happen
say between like now and like 2023 or 2024 when the next bull market starts that would help every
creator become successful and also make her like the number one person. You guys are really just
doling out these like amazing questions in this space. I'm sorry, Moomba. I should have prepped you
for all of this. Yeah. I mean, I guess, um, I think I wish that I don't know if I would, I don't know if I
have a great answer for this, but since the topic of the day is creator royalties, I think that, um,
keeping, you know, the heart of the space, which is the creators, you know, um, keeping them in mind
so that they can continue to have the hope and the, you know, all the opportunities that have come
along because of web three, like we're, we're all like doing some pretty cool stuff. Like a lot of
us not, you know, I don't know. I can't speak for everybody, but I know a lot of people are doing
some pretty cool stuff and like innovating. Okay. And like, there's things that, that we have to
protect to keep it going. You know what I mean? And it's not, um, it's just like such a difficult
question. Cause I, I, I feel very strongly about it actually. Um, yeah, just like keeping the
creators taking, take care of the creators, take care of the artists that are like really at the
core. Um, that would be, you know, what I would hope because like people get confused and, um, they
kind of focus on other things that are not like the core things. And I think that, um,
that's silly and it's gonna, it's not going to be good. So I just want to say, yeah, like, um,
yeah, I'm going to keep speaking up too for that. Cause that's like super important.
Thank you. Thank you for that question. And thank you everybody for like your, your thoughtful,
really insightful and deep questions today. Um, we're going to wrap it up with that. And again,
thank you everybody for joining us today and thank you Mumbot and, and Nifty Kit for hosting the space.
Check out our last pinned tweet above and also check out all of the tweets pinned above. And then there's
a tweet, the very first one that was pinned about the Nifty Kit creator pass. It's now available.
That pass unlocks the tools to help you launch your next NFT project. And then join us tomorrow
because at 12 PM Pacific standard time, 3 PM Eastern standard time, we're going to be talking
with the artists, Visceral Glitch, who I think is, and yep, is in the audience. So look out for that,
set a reminder. And then we have another AMA coming on Wednesday. So stick around for that as well.
Don't stick around, hit that reminder and join us on Wednesday. And with that, I'm going to play us
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