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In Conversation with Andrew Bridgen - From Parliament to the People
Recorded: July 16, 2025 Duration: 1:35:10Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, Andrew Bridgen and participants explored grassroots activism, fundraising efforts for cultural heritage, and innovative proposals for tax reform, signaling a growing trend in public engagement and political awareness.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Hello. We will give it a few minutes to allow people to jump in. So I'm just going to say goodbye for a second.
As you might guess, not YC.
She's got the lucky chance to go on holiday this week.
So I'll be filling in.
I'll be with you guys in just a few minutes. and andrew i have sent you the invite to speak and so if you grab that one for me just
so just check that all the mic's working Hello, can you hear me?
Can you hear me any better now?
That's fine, yes.
Just give a couple minutes to allow people to come in.
Hi, Claire.
Hi, Claire, you all right?
I'm good, thank you.
Hello, Andrew.
I can't wait to hear from you.
That's very nice of you.
Thank you so much. We're missing a vet this week, so Jake is taking the lead and I'm sure he's going to do an amazing job.
You're jinxing me now.
Do you need me to do my little update?
If you've got an update to give, we can go through that.
Do you want me to start that now before people join in?
Yeah, you can start now.
Okay.
Well, good evening and thank you everyone for coming into our space this evening.
We can't wait for the main show, which is the amazing Andrew Bridgen.
But from now, I'll just give you a quick update from me with things happening at the Great British Pack.
just give you a quick update from me
with things happening at the Great British Pack.
So far, we are still waiting for our reply
for our judicial review on Chagos.
Thanks to probably many of you actually listening tonight
who signed our petition and helped us raise the funds
for our amazing client, a Chagossian called Miserly Mandarin.
We're all ready to go, but with judicial reviews,
you do need two judges
to sign them off. So we submitted our huge report a couple of weeks ago. The first judge has signed
it off and gave Starmer's team basically a week to respond. Now, as we speak, the second judge is
actually reviewing both sides of the arguments, and we should know with any day now whether we
get to have our judicial review. It is very frustrating what's happening
obviously it's not just racist and terrible and undemocratic you know for the Chagossians
but you know we've got to fight this because it's also very very expensive for the British
taxpayer you know it's 30 billion that should be kept in the UK we need it here more than ever at
the moment and it's also strategically very, very dangerous. I've
since found out actually in the last few days that Mauritius has signed up to something called
the African Nuclear Weapon Free Zone Treaty. And this means that the UK and the US won't be able
to have any of our nuclear weapons on Chagos, you know, that side of the world very soon.
So the question is, is Starmermer and lammy are they actually just trying
to disarm us um so this is what we've got to get to the bottom of um we know that the us probably
don't realize this yet so we are working with prati patel and various other people and we are
going to be making that known um we we we obviously it's it's a huge issue that um you know do need to know about um saying that if we
get our judicial review and the chagossians win you know we we might not have to deal with this
but we are that's what we're doing in the pack we are planning for every single event eventuality
um also this week many of you may have seen that we did our elgin's marvel campaign
that went around the world actually over the
weekends. We managed to organise a letter and the threat of legal action if George Osborne and the
British Museum handed over our legally saved Elgin marbles. I mean what the media obviously don't
tell the world is the marbles wouldn't exist today if it hadn't been for the Brits rescuing them.
We've also paid a lot of British
taxpayer money into restoring them for the world. So we ended up getting some very high profile
people to sign our campaign letter, including Liz Truss and Dr David Starkey, Lord Hannon,
and it caught fire. We went front page across the world on a lot of the Greek newspapers,
apparently. Of course, also on our own media, we were on Sky News
and we were in the Telegraph and the Guardian, etc, etc.
Of course, the usual lefty media use the opportunity
to call us far-right extremists.
It's just ridiculous now, isn't it?
They consider anyone who is patriotic
who's a far-right thug, basically.
But that's not what we are.
We've even got lots of labor supporters in
the pack now you know they they're patriots too um and they're also obsessed with finding out how
the great british pack is funded um they think we have some shadowy billionaire donors somewhere but
that's the beauty of the pack we are all volunteers no one takes a salary everyone is just doing this
for the love of you know our country and as i said as I said to The Guardian, I think it was,
it doesn't take much to write a letter, organize people and then post it, you know,
if they want to know who paid for the stamp, it was me. So that's something that we're fighting with at the moment, they're determined to spread all these rumors about us. I mean, at the moment,
we don't need billions, you know, it really is people power and effort. But obviously,
any donations on the website are very nice, as we do need to start building our fighting fund judicial reviews can be very expensive um we
also do want to put on some events across the country and meet as many people as possible so
funding is obviously important in the long run um but it's not like we have anything to hide or any
shadowy foreign donors as the left keep trying to say to us and this is our plan obviously one of our main
aims is to get ready for 2029 but we're working on obviously the great repeal program which needs
to be in place for day one no matter who gets into power the Tories reform or a coalition of sorts
and we've got the incredible Casey Martin Howe already leading the charge on that but of course
for the next four years we really do need to protect our nation. We need to put a shield over her and keep her away from as many harms as we
can. And it's not obviously going to be easy. Labour have got this huge majority. They basically
can run roughshod over us. So what we need to do for the next four years, it really is up to you
out there to let us know about things on the ground in your area.
And let's start using lawfare for good.
We're doing it obviously already on a national scale. We've got the most incredible county directors now in every county, I think, almost every county, who are there to lead the charge in your area.
So do get in touch with us. Let us know if there's anything that we need to fight on the ground.
And it's great because I keep saying it, but we don't always need to win every case.
We just need to tie them up in knots for four years, basically.
It is all about protecting our country.
And it's, of course, what Labour used to be very good at doing to us, you know.
So that's what we've got to do.
do. I also want to just reiterate one last thing. And I said this a couple of weeks ago as well,
I also want to just reiterate one last thing.
And I said this a couple of weeks ago as well.
people keep asking us if we might, you know, what we think of Restore Britain and all these other
sort of think tanks that seem to be popping up. And if we mind at all, absolutely not. If they're
there to help save our country, we are 100% behind them. As soon as we found out about Restore Britain,
you know, I called Alistair, who's running it for Rupert. And I did say, you know, welcome to the
club. Let's save the country together. And to be honest,
there's so much work to be done. You know, we've been picking off certain things so far,
such as Chagos and the Elgin marbles, also the Islamophobia definition, we're doing that at the
moment. There are literally hundreds of these sorts of things that need addressing so it's the more the merrier more
muscle to the wheel as it were and we're delighted so yeah as long as they're just not another think
tank we like do tanks you know action action action so we absolutely love it if other organizations
actually want to get stuff done too which does remind me about the Islamophobia definition thing
actually going on we've been working with Nick Timothy, as I just said,
getting as many people to submit to the Labour consultation
that they have been trying to hide.
So a huge shout out actually to our PAC Ops director, Caroline Smith,
who's been keeping all our email warriors very busy with all the emails.
You guys, honestly, you're spectacular.
It just shows what orchestrated effort means
and you really have helped push the
consultation back to the 20th we've got four more days keep um inputting your um answers to the
questions please get your friends your brother your sister your children your everyone to submit
an answer and um let's make sure that you know our side of the arguments is heard if you don't know
what to say go to nick timothy's um twitter page even our page, and you should be able to see the links
there to the recommended sort of answers. In the meantime, everyone, please keep, you know,
checking out the policy platform and adding your policy ideas. Also, the petition platform,
if you've got any good ideas for petitions please put it on there we need each and every one
of you to stand up be counted and help protect our country now for the next four years if we do it
right we really can stop starmer and his mad clowning street circus as i keep calling them
um people power is key you guys are amazing thank you so much for all you do and i'll hand it over to you now Jake. Thank you Claire. Now I know that usually does a bit of a
breakdown of the week, I'm not there so I'm not going to do that, so what we're going to do is
we're going to jump straight into our speaker tonight. Obviously a man who does not need any
introduction but I'm going to try anyway. Andrew's a former Member of Parliament for Northwest
Lincolnshire. He's
known for his outspoken nature and independent spirit, has built a reputation as a principled
campaigner and unafraid to challenge the status quo and raise issues others might shy away from.
We've got some great topics that me and Andrew have been discussing before this evening
that obviously at the end we will do a question answer but
from there how are you Andrew? Good evening ladies and gentlemen. It's great to have an
opportunity to share with you a couple of things I've been thinking about. Let's just lay out where we are. I think we can all agree that the UK is facing existential
threats in many directions and not least a parliament completely controlled by Keir Starmer's
Labour Party who is extremely authoritarian and is ramming through policies which are extremely detrimental to both our economy and the culture of our nation.
I think what I'm going to suggest tonight will be seen by many as revolutionary ideas.
I think the time for reform or tinkering has long gone.
The current system of parliamentary democracy that we have has got us into this mess.
It's not protected the nation, all our interests.
It's not protected the nation, all our interests, and that can be demonstrated no easier than a vote a couple of weeks ago where our parliament voted to decriminalise abortion to birth,
something that is probably supported by no more than two or three percent of the general population,
but something which was passed by an overwhelming majority
of our representatives in the House of Commons. So the system's broken, and you can't expect
something that's part of the problem to be part of the solution. So what I've been working on for some time is an idea for the introduction of direct democracy to the UK.
And that would involve, as far as I would be concerned, some radical changes to the way Parliament works.
Parliament works. It would involve the removal of the dissolution of the House of Lords as the
second chamber. The House of Lords has been corrupted. It is the place where people who've
played the party game get rewarded for their party loyalty, not for their loyalty to the people,
because if you want to win in the game of politics
as I know well you have to do things that are in the interests of your political party
not in the interests of your people and that ladies and gentlemen is wrong
but that is the structure of how people get into the House of Lords
and so it only perpetuates itself and it is part of, I would say, the
corruption that has infested our chambers of power in the UK. So the direct democracy
system, I envisage, would involve the removal of the House of Lords. I would halve the number of MPs,
where we drop down to 325. I would increase the pay, and I would not allow any external
interests at all while serving as an elected Member of Parliament. the house of commons then the reduced house of commons
would be a legislative chamber to suggest legislation and then every three months there
would have to be a national debate and a referendum where all the people in the UK became that second chamber and authorised
by popular vote every piece of legislation that was proposed.
And some people will say, well, I'm not interested in politics.
Well, if the events of the last five years have not taught you that you need to be interested in politics,
because I can assure you the crop of politicians we've got currently are very interested in you,
and they're very interested in taking away your rights.
Now, we supposedly live in a democracy.
Democracy comes from the old Greek, and demos is the the people and kratos is the power.
Well, I'd ask you, how powerful do you feel?
How much do you think that the parliament we've currently got,
or perhaps even the one we had before, actually represented the views of...
Have we lost you?
Oh, there we go. I think I can hear you again.
Sorry. Sorry. I had a call come through on my phone.
That's all right.
So, yes, it would be a system rather akin to the Swiss model.
And I would point out that Switzerland haven't been in a war for 150 years and their average household income is twice ours.
And it's a far happier place to be.
Elections you elected to the House of Commons, the reduced House of Commons, would be very wary of we'd have better legislation suggested because every line of that legislation would be up for the scrutiny of their electorate. better recall systems so that elected members of parliament who transgress can be easier to be
replaced between elections. And I think those changes would prevent many of the things that
have been and are going to be inflicted over the next few years upon our nation.
We'd be basically having a referendum on things like net zero and whether we should be involved in the escalation of the war in Ukraine,
our policy on the situation in Gaza, this would be real democracy
and it would put the people back in charge.
And, you know, we've got to a situation in this country where over 40% of the public
Over 40% of the public have already given up on our political system at the last election.
have already given up on our political system at the last election.
And they do say that if you don't vote, you can't moan.
Well, there's plenty to moan about.
And it is a complete disillusionment with the whole system.
And I have been in this current system for 14 years.
I've seen the cover-ups.
I've seen the cover-ups, I've seen the obfuscation,
and I've seen the disastrous legislation that comes through. And quite honestly,
you would see less legislation coming forward. And anyone who thinks that legislation is the
answer to everything, if merely passing laws made the country better we would have by far the best country in
the world and that is not true there are shelves currently which are being moved from the victoria
tower in the house of parliament there are four miles of shelves of laws wrapped in vellum
stacked up high four miles of shelving, stacked up with laws.
And it would be a lot more if the fire in 1834 hadn't burnt away most of the laws that were created before 1485.
I think every session of Parliament, we should have a repeal where redundant laws are taken off the statute book.
Because there are so many laws that are passed all the time that most of the public can never,
ever get to grips with the laws that are being created. And ignorance is no defence,
but the amount of legislation that passes through the House of Commons,
But the amount of legislation that passes through the House of Commons, most parliamentarians, and indeed I spoke to a Labour MP for an hour yesterday morning, and I asked him if he voted in favour of the legalisation of abortion up to birth.
And he said he never looks at at the order paper he just follows what
the whips tell him he's a very experienced member of parliament he's served as long as i have
in the well longer than i have now he's on a year longest younger than i have and that's what he told
me yesterday morning that he votes he just goes in when the bell goes off he goes into the lobby
sees where the Labour whips are standing and he votes that way never votes any other way than with
than with the party I think there's a lot of them like that Andrew I know MPs who do exactly the
same it's they don't work for us at all you know but how do we change this how do we get these
changes that you're talking about because to any sensible person, they sound perfect, you know?
Well, obviously, the turkeys don't vote for Christmas. We need to get into power, first of all, to be able to change the system. But we need something that will reach out to the 40% of people.
People always say, well, you've got to take votes off this party or that party.
You haven't actually in this country.
You've got to reach out
to the people who don't vote,
who've already given up on the system.
That's the party or the idea
that can invigorate the people
who don't vote to come out and vote will win.
And I, you know,
I'm not in favour of mandatory voting.
You know, I always said, I always voted against that. I said, look, you know, I'm not in favour of mandatory voting. You know, I always said,
I always voted against that. I said, look, you know, if some old age pensioner doesn't feel very well on polling day and doesn't go and vote, I don't want some officious civil servant going
around and serving a fine on her because she didn't feel very well. I said, if people aren't
voting, we just need better, we need better policies and we need better politicians.
We just need better policies and we need better politicians.
That's what we need in this country.
But we actually need less legislation because all legislation is subject to unintended consequences.
And I'm not convinced that they're all unintended, quite honestly.
So I have a question sort of going back to the beginning where you said if it was down to you, you'd harp the House of Commons at 325 MPs.
That could be easily done. All you do is just join two constituencies together.
So in that system, how would it be that, for example, the MPs would serve that constituency with such a large range, a large area that they would have to cover?
Well, you've got to make sure that the...
Well, we've already had that boundary review in 2024,
which changed the areas to make them more balanced.
which change the areas to make them more balanced.
It's important that with very few variations for geography,
such as like the Outer Hebrides and things like that,
which is a massive area,
that constituencies have the same population
so that everyone's vote counts the same.
I mean, we were in a perverse situation before that
boundary review where the Isle of Wight was one seat with over 110,000 electors. And there was
a seat in the Rhonda, which had an MP with only 38,000 voters where so therefore the votes of
the Rhonda in Parliament were counting almost three times as much as the votes from the Isle of Wight.
Well, I mean, that is not democracy.
With very few exceptions, we would need to equalise, keep those equalised numbers.
equalized numbers. But instead of being at sort of 78,000 to elect us to a constituency now,
we'd be going to, I don't know, 155, 160,000. But if you look how many congressmen the United
States of America has got, and the size of their districts, it's quite possible to do. And obviously, the MP could have a few more staff to help with the casework.
But there'll be major savings across the board.
If you want some more radical reform, you know, the inequality of democracy across the United Kingdom,
where we have devolved parliaments in Scotland,
Northern Ireland and Wales, or two assemblies and a parliament.
So, I mean, your Scottish MP was never interested in housing or health or policing
because those were devolved matters so they never had the interest that
English MPs had who didn't have that other tier of government and having more tiers of government
only moves democracy further from the people. I don't think devolution has succeeded that well. And how about an alternative
to that would be that we only have MPs for the whole country. And on Monday and Tuesday,
we did British affairs, United Kingdom affairs. And on Wednesday and Thursday, we let the Irish MPs go to the Stormont and they deal with their local affairs.
The Welsh MPs went to the Welsh Assembly and the Scottish MPs went to their Parliament
and that would de facto leave the English MPs to deal with English matters.
And that would be fair and equitable.
It'd also save an absolute fortune in politics
across the whole of the UK
because you've just wiped out a whole tier
of unnecessary government,
again, which moves the democracy closer to the people.
That would be, I think, pretty popular. I I mean getting rid of a lot I mean bear in mind that
my my policies here would be getting rid of a lot of of so-called politicians the mass majority of
them and I don't think the public would have much problem with making an awful lot of politicians redundant. And you would hope
that having a reduced pool and an increased remuneration, but no external interest would
attract better candidates. Because I can tell you that the quality of your MPs is lamentable.
Absolutely lamentable. I completely agree with with you there I went to a dinner actually
with Ben Habib and his brother and some of the brightest minds and you know these guys were
the MD of Citibank or you know the um chief exec of one of the other banks and they were geniuses
and I was sitting around this table and you know when they say if you're the smartest person in
the room you're in the wrong room I was definitely the in the right room that day. They were all just absolutely
brilliant, brilliant, amazing guys. And the ideas that were flying around that table,
and I was sat there thinking, why on earth haven't we got people like you leading our country?
I mean, it was just insane. And you're right, you know, we should pay a lot more money,
get the brightest, you know, we need theon mines and the um you know from every field those
are the people who should be leading the charge but how do we do that and it should be and it
should be an honor to serve your nation for a period of time uh whether we would have term
limits i.e that no one could serve more than three terms uh to keep it keep it fresh um and keep the talent coming in um i mean
the fact is that until very recently there are just safe seats where you could put under the
under the first past the post system which i i think i would keep because I would never want to break that link by going to PR between the electorate and the people.
I would even consider saying that no one should be able to stand for Parliament until they've reached a certain age and it shouldn't be 18.
And I think, you know, there may even be a need with an enlarged constituency to say you have to have lived in the area for at least a number of years in the catchment area in the constituency.
don't like MPs and I'll tell this from experience whose loyalty is to their constituents who are
brought up in the area that they represent that's why they tend to fly people in parachute them in
from outside they want their loyalty to be to the party and my second um idea to bounce off you tonight which is
I think even more revolutionary and I think you'll find it fascinating would be a total reform of our
tax system so what I think again this would be something that would motivate people to come out to vote because everyone has a tax they don't like.
It would appear that we're being taxed to prosperity or attempted to tax us to prosperity, which will never work.
tax burden is probably something in the 80 odd percent between income taxes and taxes when you
spend your money and the other taxes and the fuel taxes and the duties and death duties
insurance taxes it's never ending the tax code is out of control. We're in a situation where an intelligent person can't fill their tax return in.
Well, I've been giving this some great thought.
And the suggestions I've been looking at would be that we would abolish all the current taxes and move to a system of a bank transaction
tax. A bank transaction tax would be a tax collected by the bank on every transaction
through every UK bank account every day. And it would probably have to be something in the region of one quarter of 1% on the payer and the payee on every transaction. And that would bring in more money
than all the taxes we're currently raising. There would be no need for anyone to fill in a tax return because your bank statement would be the tax return.
We could get rid of 90% of inland revenue civil servants because the only people would have to
inspect would be the banks and they the public. And because the government income
was paid over daily at, say, six o'clock of a 24-hour banking cycle in the UK, you would see
exactly that we'd need to have a department monitoring the health of the economy because
every day at six o'clock we'd see the number of financial transactions the total value of
all financial transactions within the UK jurisdiction by the the tax returns we get
paid over by the banks every day the anomalies would be that to bring money into our economy, so to bring foreign money
and bring it into the UK, there would be no banking transaction tax than to bring extra money
into our economy. But if you wish to take money out of our economy, because the receiving bank
would not be a UK bank in our banking transaction system you would
have to pay double the tax so probably half a percent so if you wish to take foreign currency
out of a UK bank you would have to pay half a percent because when you spend that money
presumably abroad you would you would not we would not get the other part of our taxation. If you made a foreign
purchase to a foreign receiving bank, you would have to pay half a percent.
There would be an exception that you wouldn't be charged the banking transaction tax when you opened a bank account at a bank.
If you have more than one bank account with the same beneficiaries, i.e. a husband or wife or within a limited company where you had a deposit account, a whatever, a current account,
there wouldn't be any obviously obviously, banking transaction charge for
you moving money between your own accounts. And that would all be set up with the bank when those
accounts were set up. The other caveat I have is, obviously, excise duties. Obviously, we'd get rid of all the taxation on fuel. So you'd drop petrol
and diesel to, I don't know, 75 pence a litre. We would get rid of, I'd get rid of the tax
on beer and wine, but I'm not sure that dropping the cost of a bottle of whiskey from £18 to a fiver is going to be without some social implications.
reduction per year for five years with a review uh a committee to review the changes to public
behavior as a result of those those changes Andrew you've really thought all this through
have you thought about setting up your own party or you know this is all sort of um I mean and have
you passed all this by somebody like someone like Sir John Redwood or someone, you know, someone who knows?
No, I haven't shared it with John. I haven't shared it with John, but I have shared it with a couple of economists.
And what are they saying?
Well, they said that the problem is the people who don't pay tax, they wouldn't like it.
But I mean, I don't care about them, to be honest.
It's a very progressive tax in that the more money you have, the more you would pay tax.
And that sounds fair to me.
And it's not an onerous amount of money to bring in that money.
The City of London would be paying a lot of tax that they're not currently paying, probably.
But I mean, I looked at, you know, I ran a business for 22 years very successfully.
It was, you know, turning over 30 million, was making three million pounds a year, employing 300 people.
We ran 10 articulated lorries, 24 hours a day.
And I thought about that business and I thought, you know, OK, we were paying, you know, you know, a million pounds in corporation tax.
Wouldn't have to pay that anymore.
You know, I was paying all that national insurance and collecting the PAYE.
And I don't have to pay that anymore.
I was paying £150,000 a year business rates.
Don't have to pay that anymore.
And I was, you know, we were burning millions of pounds worth of fuel which was mostly tax and
VAT I'm not going to pay that anymore and yeah you know turning over 30 million buying all those
raw materials in yes I'd have to pay you know a quarter of a percent on everything I bought into the business extra and it was better off.
It catches all the people who want to transact.
If you want to transact in the UK, you have to pay.
We'd be collecting the transaction tax.
So people like Starbucks that want to make all their profit
and that they're grinding mills in Switzerland or Ireland
or wherever they've registered them for taxation purposes,
they get caught because when you pay for that coffee at Starbucks,
Costa or the local coffee shop in the corner,
your transaction tax would be taken
and it would be taken off the receiving business as well at the same time.
There's no way of avoiding this tax would
it not would it not just send everyone paying in cash for everything well well that's not a problem
because because when you draw cash out of the bank you would pay the transaction i see okay
and then when the business pays that cash into the bank uh there would be a quarter of a percent on the deposit. Now, yes, if you wanted to have
thousands and thousands and thousands of pounds in cash in your house and transact only in cash,
but when your house gets robbed for a quarter of a percent, do you think that people are really
going to do that? And if that's the most evasion we've got, I can promise you it's a lot less than the evasion and the avoidance we're having now, because there would be no need for
anyone to have an offshore bank account. There would be no need for someone to set up a trust
to hold their assets so the state couldn't tax them, because even those trusts would be transacting
and the transaction tax would trump all of that law and then there's
no advantage who's not going to like this system so the big the big accountancy firms who sell
people tax avoidance schemes well there's some very bright people who are doing that and they're
making a lot of money out of it and i think they could be better used in productive parts of the
economy rather than depriving the revenue of their
legitimate money that we need. Whereas those who are the poorest in our society have no way out of
the system, but there'll be nowhere to hide. All those tax evasion methods would be neutralized,
and there's no incentive to avoid the tax. What we would need to do because obviously corporate profits then
because they're not taxing their profits we're taxing their turnover effectively we're taxing
the turnover and their transactions we'd have to put special powers and responsibilities that all
businesses would have to be audited and the auditors would have to sign
off the verification of profit otherwise you would be open to unscrupulous people who because
they weren't paying any extra tax on the profit would inflate because currently I can assure you
that most businesses understate their profits to pay less tax but obviously that's where the
incentive is well with if you take that away then there would be the opportunity for unscrupulous people to overstate their
profits, to raise their share prices. So there would have to be
more diligent auditing, and that would be a good thing as well. That would be a very,
very good thing. But all that tax advice that the big the big county firms offer
corporations and individuals there's no point in any of that there's no point in it at all we could
could get though they could get some productive jobs instead of creating nothing it all sounds
very reasonable to me but i'm not sort of an economic economist or in this field i mean if
we've got any in the room please raise your hand because
but you're a very connected guy Andrew um you know lots of people who have you run this by who
loves the idea I really don't want to say that at the moment but I've spoken I've spoken to I've
spoken to a couple of uh economists and uh and they said that obviously the people who aren't currently paying,
it's the broadest, taxes can be kept lowest when you've got the broadest base.
Well, the base would be every transaction through a UK registered bank,
and that you can't have a broader tax base of the whole country than that.
But for the average person in the street, it would empower them.
You see, disposable income.
Or even, and I've been extremely poor when I was a child.
I've been extremely rich and now I'm extremely poor again.
But none of that buys you love, friends or health.
What wealth gets you is choices. And by restricting through excessive taxation
the disposable income of the people, what you're doing actually is reducing their choices and that's reducing their freedom and this very revolutionary system um would free the people and i think they would they would they
would see this and everyone will have a tax they don't like whether it's um that the you know the be it when I go to the pub is too expensive or I'm paying too
much council tax or whatever I think that would get people out to vote and I think a lot of the
people who won't like it are the foreign corporations that predate in the UK and take
the profits and pay them in Ireland and they won't like it but fortunately they don't have any votes. Very true very true and you are a freedom fighter I mean
everyone has to admire you for that Andrew you have been on the front line of freedom fighting
for us all and I was with you I never got vaccinated I think you know I followed you
earlier I really listened to what you said and other people like you.
And I appreciate you for what you've done.
But, you know, obviously it is politics.
Did you see the Oh My God interview with the Johnson & Johnson senior regulatory scientist.
They obviously got a very attractive young lady to invite him out for lunch.
And it was a hidden camera and hidden microphone.
He fully admitted that the Johnson & Johnson vaccines were neither safe nor effective
and were never properly tested.
And he did that all on camera.
And he also said that he's absolutely convinced that someone's going to get sued about all these products sooner or later.
Oh, it will happen, of course.
Well, the Conservative Party, before they expelled me for speaking out about the vaccines,
they told me that the plan was I'd got to shut up about it for 20 years.
Wow.
And I would remind you that they covered up the thalidomide debacle for 11 years after
they withdrew the drug in 1961.
It was 1972 before the word thalidomide was ever allowed to be mentioned in the Houses
of Parliament.
I mean, just to say the other side, obviously, we've got to be Democrats here the houses of parliament. I mean just to give the say the other side
obviously we've got to be democrats here you know the Conservative Party to start with they didn't
know none of us knew did we? You obviously trusted your gut I trusted my gut but who knows it could
have been a terrible pandemic that wipes off you know 90% of the earth we didn't know to start with but no you're right we didn't know but we didn't know but i i went to washington
dc in december 22 in that christmas recess i spent the whole of christmas recess in washington
and i met with senator ron johnson of wisconsin and we knew in de December 22 that the American Department of Defense and DARPA had developed both the virus and the vaccines.
And that they were sent that the virus was sent for release to China.
And they're going to blow the whistle on this soon.
And Kennedy knows. I've spoken with Kennedy about this.
He full well knows. And it was all funded by the NIH through Anthony Fauci all of it
um so yes we we did know but and we also also knew that they were both bioweapons the virus
and the vaccine and uh Ron Johnson and I agreed that the public were not ready for that and we'd
have to wait at least six months before we mentioned the word bioweapon but this is this
is why you are so
important. You're an important voice because you do point these things out and you're not afraid
of the establishment, you're not afraid of the blob, you've made yourself very unpopular in
certain circles, especially obviously with your former colleagues. We're currently in a society
or in a hierarchy where people...
Oh, I think I've lost you.
Did we lose you, Andrew?
Possibly another phone call.
Well, I think maybe he'll be back soon but we should also ask people
to start putting their hands up
I'd love to hear if we've got any economists
in the audience
I think it's important to ask these questions
I think you need to give Andrew the mic again
Jake
oh sorry
has he been kicked out
no he's got the speaker on my screen
has he not got the speaker on my screen. Has he not got the speaker on yours?
Okay.
That's always been.
I just think I've managed to do it.
I'm not sure.
Andrew, if you can hear us, you haven't got the microphone.
Have we got any questions maybe in the audience?
Do you want to text it to us?
Or maybe we'll invite Great British.
Here we go, Great British.
If you want to unmute yourself, Great British.
Great British Pat Wales.
Great British Pat Wales.
Hiya, Claire.
Hiya, Andy.
It's you.
Follow you back.
It's me.
It's me.
Is Andy still here or is he gone?
He's back
Is he?
We've got a few glitches in the system
You're going to meet one of the finest
Welsh ladies on the planet
This is Vicky who's our
pack envoy basically
for the whole of Wales and she's incredible
So take it away Vicky
It's alright, we've cuddled in the past haven't we Andrew at meetings. I think you promised you wouldn't tell
anybody. Oh sorry darling all right sorry about that. Right my question is Andrew when you're
going on about the economy one of the things that people aren't grasping and I loved when you were
going on about the taxes is years, there used to be tax breaks
to invest in skills.
There is now no tax breaks for businesses
to invest in skills.
There is this thing called the apprenticeship levy,
which is great if you're in England,
but if you're in Wales, you pay it
and you can't get any of it.
So it gives money to the English, which is no
problem because us Welsh companies just love to pay to put skills into the UK. But then we've got
lots of companies shutting down for the exact reasons you've just laid out. Can you think of a brain pizza that could help the government to possibly invest in skills or tax breaks
yes but i mean under the system i'm proposing there would be no tax on any of those things so
you don't need a tax break because you could spend your money how you want the best thing the government could do and and this is a deliberate destruction of our economy um is we've under the the tax proposal
i'm saying there'd be no green levies anymore um and so we we can we've got to get rid of net zero
this is it it doesn't add up um the science is not carbon dioxide the the
vilification of carbon dioxide when it's actually the gas of life
uh is is ludicrous at 0.004 of one percent of our uh our atmosphere is carbon dioxide
um it's it's 432 parts per million.
If it drops below 150, all the plants will die and we'll be gone three months later.
We're about, in 10 million years,
we're about the lowest level of carbon dioxide,
very close to the lowest level carbon dioxide
we've ever had on this planet.
And you may have noticed that life has flourished.
Yes, believe it or not.
So we're currently in the ludicrous situation where our electricity costs for business
in the uk are five times more than china and four and a half times more than india and i can tell
you now i'll share something with the group plans are very very advanced for the removal of land
rover jaguo from the UK to India.
Yeah.
And they'll say we can't afford to make cars here anymore because, A, you've got no steel plants
because you've shut all those down for environmental reasons.
That's our own.
And, yes, the plants are already built in India
to relocate the businesses.
And also, I think that I'm afraid that Rolls-R rolls royce aerospace at derby will be moving as
well and they'll say it's it's not that's what i was going to say i was the reason i can clarify
is the this today and tomorrow i'm actually at the uk space conference um and they'll actually
clarify that the green agenda that you're all saying is actually correct with your figures. Yes.
They've been doing a lot.
But it's something, well, the last debate I attended on Net Zero,
out of, I think, 24 speakers, I was the only one that said,
we're destroying our economy for nothing, and it's ludicrous.
And there's no science behind it either.
No, we've got loads of speakers.
But that is the best thing.
It's essential if we don't do that no one will be able to afford to manufacture anything
in the uk and compete on world markets and and the manufacturing in sector has so many spin-offs
um we cannot become a nation where all we do is sell each other insurance and walk
each other's dogs that's not going to be productive you need investment in innovation but you also need
investment in heritage skills which was one of the takeaways from today well the craziness is is
when i went to university about three and a half percent of people went to university I don't think we're we've got that many more uh graduate level jobs but when you've got 43 percent
of the people going to university and what we've lost is we've lost the the vocational skills
that's what we've needed you know why did we have the polish plumber uh because nobody in england has those skills
because they all thought they'd got to go to university get loaded up with debt uh when
when two-thirds of graduates now never ever hold a graduate level job but you used to have youth
training schemes where yes for the first two years you never used to pay tax or national insurance, you know, employers' national insurance.
So it used to aid you helping a younger person or someone going into that trade.
And now they won't.
Well, imagine, imagine, imagine the situation under my banking transaction tax where you're going to keep 99.75% of your gross pay.
More entrepreneurs will come into the market
because they'll take the risk.
They won't now because there's no gain for them.
Why has no one thought of it?
I'll go elect someone else.
Well, I would point out that I was young executive of the year great britain once when i was young in the year in the year 2000
fantastic well done but andrew why has no one thought of it why has no one put this
front and center before i mean i haven't crunched the numbers because because because what what are
you seeing being being imposed on the public it's a constant erosion of your rights. I mean, it would set the people free.
And the direction of travel of all our governments for certainly the last 20 years
has actually been to take away freedoms, become more authoritarian.
Well, you don't control people if you give them more disposable income.
So that's never going to happen.
You know, we have the supposedly conservative party left
government with taxes the highest they've been since the second world war and whoa what a surprise
the labor party put them up further and they're going to put them up again and again and again
so what they're going to take 90 of your gross pay and income will go in taxation one way or another
they're leaving you with pocket money that is not empowering the people yeah they're leaving you with pocket money let's let's hear
from um pure blood would you like to speak if you unmute yourself please
hello hi hello there uh just got a quick message for for Andrew. I'm unvaccinated and it's just not true that you're discussing a tax-free political model right now
and this would be revolutionary letting people like keep their capital themselves empowers them
to then spend that money in the economy as they see well i'm i'm a small state low tax freedom
sort of guy really i didn't realize i was such a libertarian but the last parliament i served in
made me realize i actually am because the alternative is authoritarianism and that doesn't
bear a thing it's basically the world elites have decided that the chinese communist model
of capitalism for the rich and communism for the people is the model they want to adopt and i don't
remember them ever getting the approval of the british people for that they did not and i mean if we can keep our capital it empowers us to spend that into
the economy as we see fit that's new businesses it's trade and we know it intrinsically by the
what you're setting out that trading with one another becomes the economic engine and so people
are going to spend more trade more go out and more. There's going to be more businesses opening up. Absolutely. And then every time you spend that
money and it gets recycled and gets spent again, we get another quarter of a percent of it, both
sides. Yeah. And then we restore the spending power. You revive the industries, you attract
new companies. It's just win-wins. And then you mentioned abolishing the peers when you get into
power. I think you need to
potentially make that front and center of your actual campaign and put make it clear in your
manifesto so that you have a clear man i mean those those unelected peers if they still want
to represent there's nothing to say they can't stand for the reduced parliament can they exactly
exactly you know that they wouldn't they wouldn't be banned from taking part in our political discourse.
Oh, for sure.
You know, but they're not going to get there.
It's a very good message because not just that, the cleaning up of the amount of politics.
To be honest, I think the parliament building we've got in Westminster has got great history, but it should be turned into a museum.
I build a new building.
And also, we need radical reform of the civil service yeah um so i would see i would do a plan a complete relocation to
somewhere south of birmingham within striking distance of birmingham airport
probably on the m42 um in the middle of the country or perhaps become mobile
you know
no no no
that is very inefficient
be like the worst
than the European Parliament
middle of the country
a whole new start
a new chamber
and we could sell off all those premises in london or just
turn them into the next harry potter harry potter exactly well it there are certainly some strange
and mysterious people wandering those corridors i can tell you um as for the non-voters you spoke
about if they don't vote then they can't complain i mean at the moment they're happy with every
iceberg that these guys are slamming into, and they're not complaining.
So, you know, they're happy to go along with the voting majority,
and it might actually encourage them back to voting
because there'll be someone to vote for and things to actually vote on.
Well, I would say about the – and they'll say,
well, people don't like all these referendums.
Well, I led the Leave campaign in the East Midlands,
and I knew we'd won, and i knew we were going to win um because i knew we were going to get people out to vote who'd never voted yeah and in northwest lestia we're a high we were historically until
the last election mysteriously a very high turnout area 70 low 70s we know we turned out almost 80% for the referendum in in in
2016 right and then people knew that vote could make a real difference well I
think I think what we're proposing is things that could make a real difference
this is fundamental changes in the way we govern the
country and a fundamental shift in uh the way we tax pay for the essential public services
and my calculations are that we would bring in 300 billion pounds a year more
under the banking transaction tax because they bring in and it'd be far more efficient
it would um you know well i'd definitely
be interested to help and support in any way i can especially with ideas implementing like a
secure i think it would give all of the all of the voting public a pecuniary interest
who's not going to like it is the offshore businesses and the trusts who evade tax who
wouldn't be able to evade it anymore and the big accountancy firms who make a fortune selling tax evasion schemes,
which there is no way of evading this tax unless you move out.
If you want to move out of the country completely,
we'll just have to tax you on the way out.
But if you want to have the benefits of living and transacting,
even if you're a foreign company, if you want to transact to British consumers, you have to pay the transaction tax.
Thank you, pure blood.
Darren, you've got your hand up.
Would you like to ask a question?
Yes, brilliant.
Thank you very much.
Much appreciated.
Andrew, I am very much a supporter of yourself.
I am very much a supporter of yourself.
In fact, listening to you, others, doctors in America that had, you know, that were standing for their oath.
I made the decision not to take the vaccine, caused my family to have a bit of a dilemma because, you know, I was one that didn't want it.
Then my son didn't want it. but my daughters and my wife did.
So our house was split.
They now have vaccine regret.
And I'm upset that I didn't fight enough,
but they had their freedom to make that choice and I couldn't impose.
I can't say it was an informed choice.
No one was fully informed.
I don't hold it against them.
I took to AstraZrazeneca by the way
they got me i didn't i didn't think the government were lying to us um until too late
um at the time i was hiring uh uh i had a chemist that worked for me and um we had many many hours
of conversations and things just didn't add up.
And we both made the decision at the time that, yeah, we're not going to do it.
I'm falling out with my business partner, but I made the right decision.
And, you know, it is what it is.
If I just may move on to your ideas.
Yeah, some real revolutionary ideas there um with the taxation system
and but politics is like a big oil tanker to get any kind of movement you can't do
um you know a 180 turn uh it has to be done gradually as much as i'd like to do some of
the things that you're doing that you'd want to sort of have. You have to be part of something so that these things can be implemented.
You know, direct democracy. Absolutely.
We have the technology now where, you know, a little old me who's not a politician.
A lot of game voting at the referendums and our elections.
Yeah. And to get there, you have to be a party,
a part of a party that can start introducing that.
Have you got your eye on any particular party
that you might think that you would want to join
to maybe take that step?
I had hoped that Ben was going to be able to work with rupert and we
could form a new party where we could have some of these ideas and i'd be happier to have been a part
of but it would appear that's not going to be i can assure you one thing that reform is not the
answer um i left i left reform i was a the i was the candidate for scumfog, and after they did the unthinkable to Rupert,
it's like, nah, I'm not having any of this.
So I stood down, being politically homeless now.
I've recently joined, strangely enough, I know that Rupert's set up the movement,
but I didn't join that.
I've joined Ben's party, because without a political party,
you can't actually go into the election.
I appreciate that Rupert says that there will be an option and Rupert has left it open as to where he may move to.
I'm just hopeful that it doesn't go to the Tories because I think the dead man walking.
And I hope he rests, puts his hat down with um
advance I think I think you're probably right I think Rupert uh and I've known Rupert for a few
years um I think Rupert does think that he's going to join the Tories and reform them and get it all cleaned up. I, having been in that party and seen how it operates,
I think he, I don't think anybody can clean up the politics there.
But if he wishes to do that, I wish him Godspeed.
But I don't think he can do that.
I don't think anybody can do that.
I think the level of control and the, I will dare say, the corruption is far too great for anyone to be allowed to deal with it.
I think we need something new, but we're not there yet.
I do hope you see, I went with Ben.
I always thought I'd follow Rupert to wherever he goes but
when I looked at what Rupert was offering which is still very good the
movement aspect of it is bringing a lot of people together that maybe wouldn't
have joined you know advance and I think it's a question that they might he
might be taking on them on I'm gonna be hoping I'm hoping to be able to pitch some of my ideas.
And these are only, I've only given you two of my ideas.
I have a lot more ideas than having sat inside that parliament.
I do know what doesn't work and what does work.
And God, honestly, what I keep of the current parliamentary system we've got
is very, very little, very, very little, because it's mostly a pantomime.
And most MPs are nothing more than Christmas tree decorations that's very true and Andrew is it true though I mean everyone's scrambling to make
up their mind at this moment who they want to get behind who they want to support surely we should
just let the landscape I mean politics don't they say a week is a very long time, three years or so we've got, haven't we?
Until we've got to really make our mind up.
Yeah, the problem is you need huge amounts of money to launch a successful national party.
And if you can't get to that critical mass of standing 400, 500 candidates,
the whole media system at a general election is completely geared to thwart independence you know, 400 candidates and the
infrastructure, you will not get a party political broadcast to put your policies forward to the
people. I was talking to some of the guys at Whitestone Insight, and also some of the guys
at Technic actually, and they were saying no matter what happens there's going to be 15 to 20 percent of the people out there who put a cross in the tory box come hell you know whatever happens
they will put a cross in the tory box even if someone like rory stewart was leading it it's
just what will happen so surely that means the right will be split somehow and there will have
to be some sort of coalition but jeremy corbyn's setting up a rival
left but there's also a lot of people saying that he's just doing that for optics at the moment it
won't happen behind the scenes they're just trying to make the right feel comfortable in that fact
and i yeah i'm afraid i'm afraid i just see yeah you know and i i'd be sent to be a right wing conservative top sort of person, a real conservative sort of person.
This right left business is it's the illusion of choice.
And there is no choice. It is the uni party, even with reform.
They're in the uni party. This is this is just an illusion.
It's not about right and left anymore it's about right and
wrong yeah but for me it's we don't want the we don't want the socialists in again you know we
want the patriots well I spoke to one of the socialists for an hour uh yesterday morning and
uh and he says they're going to be out and all they're going to do and all those people who
think we're going to have an early general election, they are going to sit with their snouts in the trough right till the end.
Sure. Yeah, it's true. Sharon, you've got your hand up. Would you like to ask a question?
and I've followed you for a very, very long time.
Through the post office scandal,
through even the thalumidehyde,
the poison blood and everything.
Yeah.
And I think you're one of the most authentic voices
that we do have in politics.
It's a shame that nobody wants me, isn't it?
That tells you more about them than it tells says
about me doesn't it oh a hundred percent and i've been trying for trying to unite the right for the
last few years and the more you try to unite people the more they seem to split so moving
forward trying to unite the kingdom and i'd love a huge revolution away from westminster
and the rot and to give people a choice i'm afraid i think it's coming and i think it's coming this
autumn uh yeah i think i think the establishment know when they're taking steps it's it's going to
get pretty rough between now and christmas i can assure you. Well, to be honest, it's going to be rough for the next three, four years
because we've got 2030 coming and everything's already aligning
towards the Great Reset.
Yeah, we've got to stop this digital ID.
They were going to have another banking crash before 2028
and then they'll bring in the CBDCs.
But any sort of, you see, the government we've got now,
they want unrest on the streets so they can have a draconian crackdown and say we've got to bring in these digital IDs
to keep a track of everybody because we've got all these troublemakers yeah and once they've got
that in then they can go ahead with the the collapse of the fiat money system i mean also also i'll give you another little idea
you see we don't need a central bank why do we have the bank of england issuing the money and
having national debt the treasury can issue the money and then we don't pay interest on on our
debt because it's our money and you'll say oh, oh, no, no, no, no, the Treasury can't issue money.
It does issue money.
All the coins in circulation are M4 money.
So all the coins in circulation are money.
What the Bank of England issues is currency.
That's fiat currency.
It's not money.
The Treasury can issue. we can issue our own notes
we don't need the bank of england and then we don't need to charge interest to ourselves because
it's our money that'll be 90 billion pounds a year we wouldn't have to raise in taxation
yeah but everything they're doing behind our backs i mean this super injunction thing this week that's come out how many more starmer's got five i believe uh on his personal life holy crap is that
is any to do with the ukrainian boys that you might think that i couldn't possibly comment
there's lots of them yeah um yeah it's just totally We never voted for none of this
You haven't been told about it
But I'll tell you what you are paying for it
You are paying for it
Yeah but they're pushing us into
So you're having taxation
You're having taxation without representation
Didn't we lose our american
colonies over that yeah but they're kind of pushing us into a cul-de-sac where there's
nowhere else to go yes and and i've heard well recently i've heard they want us into the
singularity obviously the one one nation one one government and all that also also i i think there's some merit in that story
that came out this week that the the the labour government are pushing us to the point where we
have an economic collapse of the uk economy because no one can afford to make anything and sell it
because our energy prices are too expensive then we'll have to have an international monetary fund
bailout the humiliation of that which we
had in 1972 under a Labour government uh Healy um and the condition of that bailout will be we'll
have to rejoin the single market which means we're into vassalage where we'll be in the EU governed
by their rules and we'll have no say over our future. And that will be the ultimate humiliation, because the establishment never wanted the British people to vote to leave
the European Union, and they've punished us ever since. And it made me laugh today with Ed
Davey coming out against Nigel, when the establishment, like you said yesterday,
the establishment's backing Nigel to be the next PM. And that is the same newspapers and mainstream media who won't talk about the vaccine harms,
the excess death, the WHO, net zero, the real what's really going on in Ukraine
and the very fact that they're now touting him to be the next Prime Minister
should tell you all you need to know that Nigel is well in the club and an approved candidate.
Yeah well I mean I supported Nigel is well in the club and an approved candidate yeah well
I mean I supported Nigel for a long time but how often do you see me corrected on the BBC anymore
never well I don't even watch I don't watch it but they I don't watch it um but yeah I'd say I
thought I've followed Nigel for a long time even before like 2019 when he was trying to become MP for Peterborough that's
where I'm from the last time I was interviewed on the BBC was the day after I spoke out about
the vaccines on the 13th of December 2022 and they invited me on to try and humiliate me the next
night on the news and they said to me why are you willing to sacrifice your career on the hill of vaccine harms Andrew why are you doing that I said because that's the hill you're killing my
people on but it's the same as as this super injunction a lot of these people could have
spoke up a lot sooner of course and yeah like I say I saw a difference when he took his seat in the House of Commons well I've known
Nigel for 10 years when I'd gone around the whole of Parliament trying to recruit anybody to help me
stop them vaccinating babies which I did on my own I went to see Nigel and I had a meeting with
him and Aaron Banks so I've known both for many many years and there was another witness there and I gave him an hour and a half of all my
thinking about what's been going on and what we've got to stop and at the end Nigel looked at me and
said Andrew I'm not going to speak this is in January 2023 Andrew I'm not going to speak about
the vaccines and if you know what's good for you, you won't either. He knew. And he was quite happy for them to kill small children.
That is not leadership. There's another word for that. And I'm not going to use it here, but you know what that word is.
And I also said to him about the European Defence and Securities Union, which the Conservatives and Labour Party were aiming to get us into for the last two and a half years.
the Conservatives and Labour Party were aiming to get us into for the last two and a half years.
I spoke to him about that and said, you know, you need to oppose this because we're going to be losing everything.
We're losing control of our Army, Navy, Air Force, MI5, MI6, GCHQ, what is left of our nuclear deterrent
and our local police force to the control of the European Union.
And he said, Andrew, Brexit's done as far as I'm concerned
I'm not talking about it
and that was two years ago
If you think
that man's going to save us
I don't
I'm just going to
cut in here just so that we can
get through a few more
I can drop down now if someone else wants
to speak but thank you Andrew and thank you for all you do.
I don't mind doing another 15 minutes,
but I'd like to be gone by 9 o'clock, if you don't mind.
Yeah, that's right, Andrew.
We are aiming for 9 o'clock.
And the next person we've got is Tanuta,
who is one of our directors.
Hello, can you hear me?
I can hear you.
Yeah, hello, Andrew.
I met you in Derby, I think it was in February,
and also when you were supporting Ben's campaign.
I stood for reform in Leicestershire,
and I was one of the ones that was thrown under the bus
and all the rest of it. So you know what a lot of a lot of very good people who stood for reform
at the last election have all been turfed out and yeah exactly he's got the nodding dogs in
who are going to vote for everything it's to make the betrayal easier if they get into government
well i was an outspoken woman so i had two things against me that they didn't like so there you go
but anyway you i think i think what you've said tonight is amazing.
And your ideas, as normal, are amazing.
But you said you're reticent to throw your cap down for either Ben or Rupert.
But you are such a pulling power that if you even mentioned it, we would have so many more people join.
So I beg you basically,
please go for advance.
Definitely.
And I,
I personally think Rupert will join forces anyway.
There's so many people that I still meet.
And now I'm a director for Leicestershire.
They're all asking,
well,
when we know,
when's it all going to happen?
We'll all,
we're all behind either Ben Rupert.
And especially if you mentioned you,
then, you know
i know as a as a former member of parliament and if you really believe that my vote dropped from
63 percent in 2019 to three percent i know there was there was a lot of shenanigans about yeah my
election here but you you said you were reticent because, you know,
you didn't think they'd have the money or whatever.
No, no, it's not that.
I'll be quite honest with you.
I had a meeting with Ben a couple of months ago
and it was unsatisfactory.
I asked him, what is your policy on controversial issues
like the vaccines and geoengineering?
And Ben said, I don't know anything about those sort of things.
Well, I can't join a party that that is going to be like all the other parties what's the point of that right I see but anyway for me you know if you'd still have my vote well I can't walk when
I go and give speeches around the country I can't walk on any street in any town or city or village anywhere in the UK without somebody coming up to me and recognising me and shaking my hand.
We have a system where former prime ministers have to have bodyguards.
That is for a reason.
And it's going to get a lot worse, I can promise you.
And will you be at the Tommy Robinson rally in September?
Well, I've spoken at the last three.
I spoke to Tommy yesterday. I'm hoping to speak. Yes. Oh, there you go. That'll be at the Tommy Robinson rally in September. Well, I've spoken at the last three. I spoke to Tommy yesterday.
I'm hoping to speak, yes.
Oh, there you go.
That'll be brilliant.
And thank you for tonight.
It's been very interesting.
And I did visit Tommy in prison as well,
although I was stopped several times from visiting him.
And he was a political prisoner,
was a political prisoner and everything he said was the truth. He's a very, he's a rough
and everything he said was the truth.
around the edges working class chap and the establishment hate him because he's bright
and he's courageous and there is not a racist bone in his body. His sister was groomed and he didn't like him
so um yeah he's a good man and he's been vilified in the press as well completely
terribly terribly but i do think the tide's turning definitely i mean i'm i'm a born again activist now a couple of years ago if you told
me i'd be doing all this i wouldn't have believed you but i'm off to uh dover on saturday so you
know i think every week something else is happening and the tide is turning and i think you know you
need to be part of it because we all support you i want to be part of it but i want to be part of a party
that's going to implement i i you know i wasted many years of my life trying you know i i said
i said many times that i came into parliament originally to make things better for northwest
leicester and the country and we yeah we we we moved northwest leicester in 10 years from the
poorest constituency in leicestershire to the richest.
But I'm watching everything that I worked for for northwest Leicestershire disappearing down the toilet, quite honestly, because the whole country is going to the dogs.
And I want to be part of a party that's going to really deliver change and empower the people, get them out to vote. I remember saying to Cameron
and Osborne in 2011, and they were no fans of mine and I was no fans of theirs. And I said to
them in a private meeting that you're supposed to be these brilliant politicians. I said, we don't
need politics. All we need is policies that make things better for the people, make them feel more
secure, improve their standard of living and make prospects for the people uh make them feel more secure uh improve their standard
of living and make prospects for the next generation better i said and we we win every time
and they looked at me and they said andrew you don't understand it's all a game
and i i didn't understand in 2011 he's right but i darn well do understand now what they meant
and the game's got to stop the game's got to stop.
The game's got to stop.
It has.
Can I just say before you get, I know you need to go.
I'm actually fighting against the land grab with Peter Salisbury in Leicestershire.
So I'm wondering if you'd mind if I contacted you about that afterwards.
Certainly.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you, Tanuta.
Robert, can we get Robert in quickly and then Barry? And then I think that's it for the questions I think Robert would you like to ask your question to
Andrew yes hello Andrew I've been following you for some years now I've used to watch you in the
House of Commons I think you're an outstanding politician. You speak with conviction and I do respect you.
There's something about Nigel which,
and I know that reform are surging in the polls at the moment
and they have got a lot of issues in their political party.
I'm a centre-right conservative and I'm in the middle.
I'm not right-wing, I'm not completely right-wing,
I'm certainly not left-wing, but I'm in the middle.
There's something about Nigel which, I don't know what it is and I can't put my finger on it but I don't particularly trust
him and we need to have a politician we need to have a government that we can trust and with this
Labour government well it's going to the dogs and that's just putting it in a nutshell uh really um
and I I don't know there's something about Nigel And I don't know.
There's something about Nigel, which I don't know what it is.
It's like he dumps people so quickly that,
and then he moves on to something else.
And I just feel if we have Nigel Farage as prime minister,
would he do that as prime minister?
I mean, I don't know. I i don't okay i think you're i think you're
absolutely right uh on all counts and he has a history of dropping people uh you'll recall the
deal he cut with the tories in 2019 uh where he stood his candidates down i think there's there's
some revelations about that which i'm not willing to say over this, which I'm well aware of,
which would cast doubt on Nigel's fitness for high office. I again say that the mere fact that the
legacy media, the controlled media are touting him as the next prime minister means he's completely
unsuitable because he's already in the club. I'm not sure.
And I think Nigel was pressurised to come back
because they knew Tice wouldn't take enough votes off the Tories
to give Labour such a massive majority.
That was all staged and planned out,
and they've already planned out the next general election,
quite honestly.
And Nigel is earmarked to be the prime minister he can't even hold a party of five mps together
there's only three of the originals left now already we've we've barely done a year uh and
there's going to be a lot a lot a lot more more more of of of this to to come I believe that if Nigel somehow or other does win the next general election
with reform, I'll make a prediction that within six months of being Prime Minister, he will
stand down due to ill health and your Prime Minister will be Zia Yusuf.
Really?
Yes.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's true. I believe what you're saying.
There is something about Nigel and there's something about reform,
which, like I said, it's kind of like, I don't know what it is,
it's nicking at me.
When it nicks at you, you have to take a step back.
Despite the fact that we're both prominent Brexiteers,
and I've known Nigel for 10 years,
there was no way he was going to let me stand for reform.
Because he knew that I had to be got out of Parliament.
Yeah, yeah, I understand it.
I think that, I mean, I do think, though,
that we're in a mess in this country,
and we're in such a dire straits that I and I'm
I'm a certain age I'm in my mid-40s how things can bad I'm in my mid-40s how things can how sorry
get my words twisted how we're in such a bad state how things can bad how how things can get so bad in this country
that we that people will turn to reform and that's what comes across to me because
they don't really answer any questions either and i've got they've got they're not they're not
telling you what their policies are what they're saying is we're not the tories and we're not
labor and it's our turn next.
And people are that desperate. They are going to go for that without another credible alternative.
I would like to be part, a senior part of a credible alternative with a radical agenda,
which I think if we can't put through a radical agenda, given the state we've got into,
that people can't see that we do need some very serious change not a bit of tinkering and with the system the systems the system we've got has got us into this mess it can't get us out
of it yeah yeah cannot get us out of it yeah and i think that i completely agree with you i mean
i was only talking to some friends yesterday who've got learning difficulties and and they're so upset about their benefits being
taken imagine imagine a Labour Party putting that through yeah and this is you've got you've got a
Conservative Party that aren't Conservative anymore and you've got a Labour Party that isn't Labour
anymore and you will have a and the reform are moving to the left so fast it's unbelievable yeah and i just i i i i'm not saying who i'm going to vote
for because i don't know is the answer to that question really and i've been thinking about it
a lot if we have an early general election and i can safely say i don't know who i'm going to vote
for because to be honest with you i just feel that the system's broken you do realize that if
they can get us into a big war with Russia, we won't be having
any elections at all, don't you?
Yes, I'm watching threads at the moment on BBC4, and that is absolutely terrifying
thought.
Because I do feel that we, the then Prime Minister before the last election,
Vichy Sunak, suggested about bringing back conscription.
Everybody put it.
It's being spoken about in certain government circles.
You do realise that now with Starmus Slymers up to the European Defence Union,
it's actually Ursula von der Leyen who will issue the order for conscription in this country. And's men males and females 16 to 35 and it will
be circo who bring the tickets around and say that you've got to hand your kids over
wow i didn't know that it's already done yeah thank you thank you robert sorry we've only got
five minutes left so um barry you wanted to question and katie and katie has also been
raising her hand non-stop so can we just get two questions in quickly
in five minutes, thank you
I'm a part member
and it's an honour to see
Andrew Bridger in this space because
I mean
during the Brexit war
I thought it was outstanding
watching you on BBC Parliament
I really enjoyed you standing there and fighting for the British public
in my opinion to be an independent union for Brussels.
That's where we should be.
That's a certain ground for me.
But you mentioned the appredicted.
I'll just say offhand, Labour are very split.
Appredicted Labour would lose.
It would only get four years in power
Yeah, they know it
Yeah, and I think
even more so now Andrew because
the split
between Corbyn and his
idea of the left and Labour's idea
of the left, so I think they're even more split
and because of that
factors I'm going to predict the Conservative Party as I do the left. So I think they're even split. And because of the factors
I'm going to predict the Conservative Party
are going to make a comeback.
And I think that
I think that
reform had some sort of wonky
patch late on
near the elections, it could
be a swinger for the Conservative
Party. It really could.
But you picked up on the point about...
I was a victim of the COVID vaccination, Andrew.
I was chemically raped in a mental institute
because I was a victim of a phone hacking scandal
covered up his mental illness.
So I care about the cancel culture.
I served as editor, yet jeopardised my life
to cut up a phone hacking scandal.
And it's cut into my illness.
I've been through sham court cases,
police jeopardising my life.
I've been through illegal surveillance,
my house.
I've had phone tapping that was going on.
I know this was all going on.
So I'm very interested
in this cancel culture
and also the digital ID, right?
Because the truth is, Andrew,
I don't have a problem
with a digital ID
because if it means protecting
our British language
and our internet,
yeah, I think that
then it's not such a bad thing
because you don't want to draw in that rubber.
But you'll always be asked by
tyrants to give up
your freedoms for security.
And I promise you, from
history, repeatedly, they'll
always say it's for your own benefit,
it's for your own convenience, it's for your own
safety. Anyone who's
willing to give up their freedoms, like we did during the lockdowns, for your own convenience, it's for your own safety. Anyone who's willing to give up their
freedoms, like we did during the lockdowns, for your safety, you will end up with neither freedom
nor safety, I promise. Foreign state actors, you mean like foreign state actors, what scares you
about a centralised system that protects us from a separate ideology, trying to steal our sovereign
data and our national treasures of British culture
Well I think if you put all your
data in one point I think the chances
of it being hacked or sold
off to someone else is immense
and if you think the bunch of crooks we've got
running us now wouldn't sell
they've already sold your data off from the NHS
they're selling it off to Palantir
and everybody else and I don't think
they may ever ask my permission they're selling it off to Palantir and everybody else. I don't think they ever asked my permission.
They're selling your data now.
The last question.
Thank you so much, Barry.
Katie, you've raised your hands about 10 times.
So quickly, you're the final word.
Katie, we can't hear you.
Are you talking?
Katie, we can't hear you. Are you talking? Katie, we can't hear you.
Come on, Katie.
Oh, I don't think we can hear Katie, unfortunately.
He's gone back to being a listener.
You need to ask to speak.
Oh, I'm sorry about that.
Katie, Jake, do you want to finish off and thank Andrew?
You've been amazing, Andrew, but I'm sure Jake will have a thank you already to say.
I do have a thank you.
Obviously, it has been really great to listen to you with what you've been saying tonight.
I'd also just like to bring up something that you are doing towards the end of the month,
the start of next month, which is the Freedom Fest.
I don't know if you wanted to say much about that.
Well, I'm speaking in Exeter on Sunday.
I'm speaking in Burnley next Thursday.
I'm speaking in Totnes next Friday.
And I'm speaking at the Freedom Fest over the bank holiday weekend
in August. What I would say is I'm not wishing to be controversial. I've got a mini documentary
coming out in the next 48 hours with Urban Scoop. That's Tommy Robinson's film crew.
We made it. I made it with them while tommy was in prison
and they hadn't got a star uh it's going to expose the child trafficking from ukraine to the uk into
the pedophiles nothing controversial and i'm naming names of the people involved in it and the fact
that the government covered it up when i took it to them 18 months ago so i'd ask you to support
that as well because there are many things going on and what
i've uncovered is that you can't ask the state to investigate its own activities no that's fair
enough we'll be looking out for that and we will a few of us from the pack will actually be at the
so hopefully we'll have a chance to meet in person and get a good conversation going on that. But other than that, thank you, Andrew.
It was really, really great. Well, thank you very much for giving me the time to express my ideas.
And I hope it's given you something to think about. And I hope you'll discuss those ideas and see if
you think that some of those ideas could motivate that 40 odd percent of the British public who've
given up on politics to come back and get involved.
Thank you very much for listening to me this evening.
Definitely. Thank you. Have a good evening, everyone. Take care.
God bless. Thank you.
