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In Conversation with @vizmesh
Recorded: June 23, 2023 Duration: 0:59:39Space Recording
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and something that we haven't really talked too much about in this room which is the displaying
of our art at least i've never spoke about it with any of our guests so very very excited for
this chat today i see some more people joining thank you again for joining us thanks to nifty
kit for hosting this space today we are going to be chatting with the creator behind vis mesh
and we're going to learn more about his journey with art and within web 3 definitely excited to
talk cannot wait but before we chat just a little housekeeping firstly there is info on nifty kits
v7 aside from dark mode we've also added new apps share to earn fee allocation royalty updates
and that you can install to your nft collections so those details are pinned up top and as always
please visit nifty kit to learn how you can use our tools to become a creator yourself
so this twitter space goes for about an hour so if we have time towards the end of the space and if
folks have questions or comments for vis mesh and you you might because um what he's been working on
is very fascinating we'll open up the floor then so you can hold your requests until that time and
we'll get you up here and um lastly just a friendly reminder that we host spaces every week and our
next space will be next tuesday where we are going to be talking with david cash that's going to be
12 p.m pacific standard time 3 p.m eastern standard time so rsvp for that you don't want to miss it
so with that we are talking with creator collector curator biz mesh we are going to be talking about
his work the community has built here in web 3 and a bit about his current and future projects
and how his journey in the space began but before we dive in if you can all quickly take a moment and
check out the pin tweets above you can follow along as we talk today and biz mesh please feel free to pin
or add anything additional that you want as well as we go along so welcome thank you for being here
today firstly how are you yeah um thanks so much for having me and again apologies for the last go
around um and thanks so much for having me here today um it's a great friday i'm glad to be here and
uh hope you're doing well too yes of course no worries no i'm just i'm super excited like i said at
the top about um talking to you because we talked to a lot of creators but you're doing something
very specific and something that i've actually uh bared witness to so i i was like i i think this
would be really cool to have a conversation and to come on nifty kit and and talk about what it is
that that you've been building um which is so essential to artists you know because as artists
we're creators we're putting our stuff out there but then there's this other realm of like after
you've made the work and even though we're sharing it on digital platforms uh sharing it in public is
is another um avenue and something that can really draw people into what it is that these artists are
working on so i would love um so yeah just jumping right in um just the brief introduction i have on you
is that you are a blockchain based nft art gallery which is essentially owned and curated i would love
if you could introduce yourself and then briefly share a little bit about your irl background and then
a little bit about how you got into the web3 space yeah absolutely um so my name is sue young
that's my real name but then a lot of people just call me vismesh which i'm totally cool with too
um especially for like irl meetups i know we all just know each other by our handles um and so so
that's a little bit about me vismesh itself like you were saying jessica um it's a kind of curation
platform that's all on chain and then to um the idea is if you establish on-chain curation decisions
and then supplement them with interesting in real life exhibitions you can kind of bring prestige to
the curations that are being made on chain and then there's also on-chain curation that's interesting
because it's done transparently publicly and then it'll be stored on the blockchain forever so
anytime a piece is included in a particular exhibition you can see okay who placed this one
what interest they might have like what's in their wallet and kind of understanding that whole piece
of it as well so um anyway so that's the vismesh platform and vismesh is kind of shortened word for
like uh a mesh of visualization so it's basically a a grid of tiles and they're all composed of
different frames i'll i'll uh i'll kind of save the different details for later but anyways that's um
that's kind of the gist of it and kind of what i'm doing um like i mentioned my government name is
sue young i i lived in new york for a year when the nft space was kind of blowing up or i mean kind
of getting started and it was really cool being a part of that and i moved back to minnesota now
um so i i live here in minnesota i'm a um a software developer i also teach at the university
of minnesota um part-time and then i also do nfts um i have a wife and two dogs and um and yeah so
that's a little bit about me outside of the nft space and um just a little bit about me
that's cool what do you teach at the university um actuarial science and databases so actuarial
sciences in the fall and the databases in the spring so like it's uh my like i know nft burnout
is a real thing and then like uh my nft burnout is very real so uh anyways i'm sorry i shouldn't
complain about that no it's real you're allowed to complain i think everybody goes through that
burnout and and kind of just cycles through it right so i think it's it's nice that you have
that balance as well where you're able to you know have a foot firmly planted in the space and
also things going on outside the space and also molding young minds very awesome do they know how
do your students know how cool you are like in this space are they are they aware of you um first
stop i don't know how cool i am to begin with but uh yeah no i try to keep that separate um
in my intro slides i'll be like oh yeah i'm into blockchain and stuff but i don't i don't get too
much into uh what i what i've done here but um anyways yeah yeah i'll talk crypto and stuff with
some of my students but um anyways yeah i don't i don't even though of course they're younger and i
would assume you know young people are more in tune with nfts uh generally speaking um yeah i haven't
seen it too much but maybe if i mention it folks will mention it back to me but who knows
that's pretty funny too because i'm imagining like do your students know that you have people
like wooing like underneath like your curations like your displays especially the one in new york
that's funny i love it it's almost like a double life right but in in in the coolest way possible
i think that's also something that's really interesting about this space right so many people
come from many different trades and backgrounds and they bring that knowledge and that perspective
you know to what they're building in here so that's really that's to me that's super cool
so i am a huge fan of something called it's frm you call it frame is that how you are pronouncing it
correct yeah so um frms or frames uh very interchangeable yes
yeah so i've been present for several of your live displays and one that i was just speaking of
notably in times square and nyc so for those of you who are unfamiliar as i was um what i just pulled
off the the internet that you there's units of vis vis mesh are denominated in vis mesh frames
frm which can each display a single nft and are limited in supply frame owners can configure their
frames to display any nft as many times as they want which is to me fascinating and something i think
is an exciting way for artists to get their work seen in public could you expand on this and give us
the tldr and the genesis of the frame yeah no absolutely um so uh yeah so you can think of
vis mesh is our mesh of visualizations and it's basically a grid of all these little land plots
you can think about them so there are all these bunch of little squares all over the place
and um when you go there uh you can see all these squares and then you can see what nfts
are displayed in each of the squares and so it's kind of like you can think of it as a gallery that
exists entirely on the ethereum blockchain and so like i get really excited about all these tech
details so it's like we've got um so we have all these frames that are part of this grid so if you
go to vis mesh.io slash view um that's where you can see all the frames laid out and you can kind of
zoom in click into the frame see the curation screen pass and um just uh and then from there you can
also see like who owns this frame how do they configure it like you know what type of art do they like
what does their wallet look like you need really get a level of transparency that doesn't exist in
the art world um and it's all on chain and so like we all love nfts because they're on chain they're
there forever you know we have the media started on these different um distributed file systems like
ipfs and and this just takes it to that next level of putting curation on chain two through the frames
which are all individually owned by uh framework and i don't want to get too technical but like
a frame is actually an nft itself so it's basically a configurable nft and so the ownership is um the
ownership is uh denoted through frame ownership and that also unlocks the configuration to it as well
so it's kind of uh uh an ecosystem if i can use such a grand term there but uh anyways i'll pause there
and um um that that's that's kind of the high level view i think it's interesting and i encourage
people to go and look at the website too because when i was looking at this a while ago because i
remember when your name popped up and i was like what is this all about it almost looks like a periodic
table and you can like zoom in and and look at all the people that own the tiles i think that that's
really cool when you're talking about transparency and all that um this is like a another level of
transparency it's actually like very entertaining and very fun to see like who owns the tiles and
you know what is the next exhibition and what you have going on and it just seems very exploratory on
the site and you kind of get a sense of what you're building and um yeah it just it feels very unique
and something that i i i'm sure there's other spaces out there like i know um searchlight and some
other like actual physical like gallery space entities are really good about getting like their
art um screened you know on screens and x exhibited in different um cities around the world but i think
there's something about this moving exhibition thing that i don't want to label your work such as but
you know you've brought a different flavor to how one can display because we do have screens all over
you know just like in new york city and then i was recently in la and i saw i forgot what
some mall or something that there's like this huge screen on it and people always are trying to get
things advertised or art put up there and then around new york city as well where i live we have
these like public art screens and it's like fine figuring out how to get your work displayed is a
bit uh it feels uh overwhelming so i think something like what you're providing to our community which is
like we're busy we're trying to learn the tech we're trying to keep up we're trying to also make our art
and then we want to display it so i think something as you are building is very advantageous to like an
artist like myself and many people in this room too and um and also very creative i know you have
there's some other things that we're going to touch on what you're building now and um i i just think
it's it's it's incredible and you know to see work um in a large you know venue and on these big
screens i think just give it another level of um you know you experience the art differently
right than you experience on your computer screen than you experience on your phone and
surely that you even experience on a small screen in a gallery so that's something that i've been
thinking about too as i've you know came into the web3 space and started you know putting my own nft
collections out there is that you know what else you know we're we love blockchain and we think that
it's cool that you can just like have an entire portfolio in your pocket but then really kind of
bringing it back and like playing with this public art piece of it i think is is absolutely fascinating
and so another thing that i saw on your uh website when i was doing a little bit more research is
there's grant opportunities within the vismesh ecosystem can you talk a little bit about the
grant opportunities for uh creators yeah absolutely so um we've done we've done a couple of like cash
grant giveaways um there are none active right now but we've done that in the past and also
you know every once in a while i'll um if there are you know frame frames are sold of course and um
but then i know there are a lot of great artists that can't afford them
like maybe this is too much information but um i'm not making money off of this and so i'm happy to
give away frames in certain cases and so um anyways yeah there's some information somewhere
on the website about um my contact information is there too and i certainly open my inbox to
anyone who is interested in these exhibitions and want to get involved but may not have the
resources to get a frame um that's definitely an option that's that's available too and um
and it's also i'll also do like random like oh you know comment on this tweet uh with your art and
you might include it in the next thing so um yeah there are always different ways to kind of get in
and the other thing too actually i'll highlight uh my friend uh nftp here in the audience she has
several frames and every time we do an exhibition she always very generously donates some of her
frames to some of her friends so that um some other people can get the spotlight as well so
you know it's it's there is a lot of love in the frame community and when i see things like that
it makes me very happy and um yeah so anyways yeah that's uh that's kind of how that all goes
i love that and we love nftp so thank you for being here and thanks to everybody who's
joining us on a friday afternoon um i think that there's something that um you know like in addition
to creating the frame you have used this platform and your voice in web3 to elevate artists and i would
love to hear more about just your mission and vision i know you touched on it a bit but about
how you originally became involved with the curating aspect of nfts like showcasing the art and irl
spaces and public forums during conferences other events prior to um maybe the viz mesh frames i don't
know if those came first or not but but how did you really get into the curating aspect of this
yeah um so it it was interesting like um i immediately when i got into the space um so
the way my brain works is like okay wow this is kind of a cool technology how can i make money off
of it and then i thought about like i thought like wow this you have nfts and the blockchain there's so
many really interesting things you can do with it and then started thinking more and more and more and
i was like oh we can curate on chain there's different components of nfts that can be stored
very efficiently on the smart contract um to indicate when curation decisions are made and like
the idea seemed very simple and logical it's like oh we can create plots of land in a 2d space i was
kind of i don't know if you guys remember back in the this must have been in the 90s or early 2000s
this guy released the million pixel home page and that was kind of the inspiration of like
we're selling digital land for the first time and like it's done so much better on the blockchain
and so um anyway so that's kind of where and then the idea was always percolating in my mind
and i wrote the smart contract a few times it was ready to go but the only problem was gas prices were
super high so anytime uh you wanted to make a configuration it would cost like 50 to 100 dollars
which is insane um so it was basically not viable to even attempt to release it like i i i guess was
just too much money so um so i started doing exhibitions just on the side and it's kind of
interesting how i got into that too like all of us were just kind of starting from scratch here and
the same was absolutely true for me like i remember i was uh browsing like twitter and then i saw this uh
sotheby's was doing this big like natively digital sale they're like alien punks like uh x copies and
this was like early uh 2020 i think and so this is still pretty pretty early and then um i remember
it was like sotheby's and all these blue blue blue chip nfts and then i remember seeing they're
interviewing the sotheby's guy in this tiny little gallery they had about five projectors and that was
the entire setup and i was like wow these are million dollar nfts sold by sotheby's i know yeah
no no disrespect to them i mean they're they're the they're the goats of the space of course but then
i was like i think i could do that and um it's quite naive to think that immediately i thought it'd be
quite easy i'll buy some projectors rent some space and that'll be it and on some level that is true
however i quickly found out that organizing 100 people and their art in spreadsheets getting it
onto 10 different projectors and setting that all up is a huge amount of work um and so um but then i
also found that putting on these exhibitions is so amazing like meeting great people and then the sense
validation people get when they see their art displayed it's the most i don't know i so i i
love this stuff um i've definitely fallen in love with the community and it's been really incredible
and so um anyways okay i'm kind of going off tangent here a little bit uh um anyways yeah that's kind of
how how i got into it uh the curation aspect of it and um especially i was just kind of diving right
into it because yeah gas was too high to even uh try to release vis mesh so that's kind of how i busied
myself um on on all of that well i'm hearing a lot of excitement and passion and that's like
wonderful to hear from somebody who is really you know having the artist back and trying to get their
work out there because i mean i've worked you know with curating some things too and i know that a lot
of you in this room have maybe you know dabbled in curation or you know been a part of a group
exhibition and let me tell you wrangling artists is is a whole different beast like like even myself
like to for me to be wrangled like when they're like jessica turn your thing in and i'm like oh
yeah that's right i forgot it's like oh my god we're nightmares we are a nightmare you know but when
it all comes together finally you know the angel wrangler gets us all together it is really magic
i mean i can see from experience like seeing some of your exhibitions the joy that it brings
to the artists and their families and their friends that attend these exhibitions it is unmatched
you know and the fact that this is a relatively small space and um for people to be able to like
go out and see their work they feel really like seen really appreciated and then just another
opportunity to get their work out there like i remember um the one from nftnyc it wasn't last year
it was the year before um when it was like crawling around the corner of that building there were like
all screens they were in times square really beautiful and it was such a variety of work
so many different types of mediums were being showcased that it wasn't just all the people that
had come from for nftnyc into times square it stopped everybody you know people that were just in
times square taking pictures people that were you know vacationing and sightseeing they were asking oh
what is this what what's going on and like they were taking pictures and you know when one of our
friends pieces would like roll over we would all start cheering and you know that means something and i
think you know being able to cultivate something like that is is really special and that's why i i am
very excited for um you know what what you have coming up next which i want to talk about in a little
bit but it would be great to kind of go back in time a little bit and maybe recap some of
your previous curated irl exhibitions in the space and highlight some of the ones that you
began with and that maybe stand out as part of your journey in the space and yeah any any ones that
you were particularly proud of and excited about that you were like yes this this is this is so cool
yeah no yeah i'd love to uh the the first one i remember was in july of 2020 um it's called
renaissance protocol uh is in mannhattan and um it was really that was the first one um the next one
was in queens at the culture lab as part of an ars electronica um i can't remember the name there's
there's some kind of festival that they were having so they had um nfts that were displayed and curated
um as well there um and then there are a couple other ones um so like kilsey who's in the audience
is part of this group called searchlight and so we've put on a couple events in like miami and in
new york as well um but then i think oh oh yeah and then i'm not arts and i or and us we uh collaborated
for bitcoin pizza day as well so they rented some space on the i think it's the 99th floor of the uh
willis tower or sears tower in in uh chicago and they had an event there for bitcoin pizza day
um but yeah i think the oh yeah and then the times square one was insane um i tell people like
like this this mesh is like it it's many different aspects or i feel this sounds so corny but i feel like
there's so many different aspects of my life that have been building to biz mesh like it's like i
always loved art i always loved tech i always loved people and it's like all of these things come
together in this and um i joke around with uh people i know it's like that night at times square was
probably the highlight of my life like building something for absolutely nothing seeing people's
reactions and just like the like that there's just something special in the air that was that's truly
the peak of my entire life and um it was a really special moment for me so um so that was definitely
a big one and then um the most recent one for the last nftnyc uh we rented an led screen truck and then
drove that around in front of this one might have been the most fun one because it felt it felt like
we were getting away with something because we would take we loaded up the led truck with everyone's art
and then i kind of like parked it in front of um you know moma uh the guggenheim the met and kind of
like it's kind of like hey we're bringing your art not inside of these places but very close and then
it gets into the other part of nfts which is so interesting uh and art in general is the pricing of
it too and then i always like to think of like prestige um in the physical space and how to
replicate that in the blockchain space and so like maybe if we do drive someone's nfts right in front
of moma and take a picture and plaster it all over the internet maybe that will increase the value and
the prestige of certain art and um you know what's so exciting about nfts is i used to think that um with
physical art you know there's something very special with being in the presence of like you
know when you're at moma and you're walking around the monet panels it's like it it's amazing and with
digital art i didn't quite get that and that always bothered me but then what digital art allows is if we
do put it on a truck or if we do put it on the screen in times square that's as good as the canvas of
the physical art and so we have so much more flexibility with what we can do with format and
um yeah so anyway okay i'm kind of rambling now but um am i answering the question uh yeah was it
yeah no 100 i think it the the truck for sure to me was like genius and very transgressive because
when i first saw i was like oh he's parking in front of all these major institutions that is
hilarious because these are the institutions that were at the beginning i think a bit at least the
perception was that they were bucking up against the you know system of what blockchain technology
was what digital quote digital art was and some people feel like they were rejecting it where as i i
think we know at the same time they were rejecting it they had people working on the inside that were
bringing in digital assets into their collections or at least breaching the topic with um the people
in these institutions like parking trucks outside raising the value of said artists being exhibited
is really genius like at first you're like well it's not in the moma it's like well what's the
difference like it's outside that it's an installation outside the moma i've seen installations outside the
moma i've seen installations on the sides of museums what is the difference you know so i thought that
that was a very very genius way to do that particular activation and then as far as the the time square one
like that just felt really fantastical and magnificent and on such a large scale that you know
and also just like the way that it was curated too i just want to take a moment and touch on that
was was quite beautiful like how you ordered things and how they were edited together it was like uh
like i said everybody was going through it was like you know at a baseball game or something when
you do the wave it was like there was waves of wooing like we were screaming when we saw like sarah
scripps work and when we saw jimena's work and when we saw a bunch of other artists we were just like
screaming their names when we heard it so it really did also employ this audience participation aspect
right that we don't really get here but then bringing it into this public space you do get that so it
does kind of take on a new uh just a a new what am i trying to say just a new experience for the both
the artist and the the space you know as a whole in web3 and being nft creator and then for an audience
that knows nothing about digital art you know they as far as they're concerned these are just
you know uh displays they could be advertisements they could be just uh from coming from one artist but
was so gorgeous and so diverse and i do you know recommend people again to check out the website and and stay
up with these exhibitions because if they end up in your city it is worthwhile to go out and check them
out and it does take away that experience of just seeing something on a screen and i'm not like
downplaying that you know seeing things on screens i think that's wonderful too but this makes it so
much more of like a sporting event you know going out and seeing these and seeing that truck around
nft nyc last time was really really a pleasure so i do want to talk about uh your upcoming exhibition
that we have pinned up top unseen uh the immersive room takeover can you talk about that i have
no idea what this is but it sounds fascinating yeah i i would love to tell you more about it so
the name of the exhibition is called unseen and so um we'll be exploring a couple of topics um including
the idea of um unseen art so um you know a lot of uh a lot of the pieces that you'll see in museum on
museum walls um they trend towards a very specific demographic that i think um or certain demographics
in ways that i think are unfair um to how art is displayed and it's not just what art is displayed but
it also comes down to who can sell art and who can have a career in art and whose stories are actually
like heard and seen and validated and so um anyway so in the traditional model i think the exclusivity
of curation has a lot to do with you know the physical limitations of displaying physical art
but then with nfts we can certainly open that up and so unseen uh it'll be taking place in uh what's
called a uh a projection mapped immersion room so um appreciate the uh link you posted up top jessica
the tweet from claire mcguire so she has uh an image of the space so it's this large space with
walls uh that have projectors that are pointing on all walls and the floor as well and so we'll be
taking over that room and then um part of it uh part of the uh theme of it of unseen uh we're kind of
playing on that as a way to uh reduce the cost of this event too we're actually going to make it
we're only going to stream it online and um it's only going to be attended by the videographer so
we're designing this exhibition to be taking place physically but it will only be seen
online so that's another aspect of like the unseen um theme of this event and so um anyways uh
so i've been kind of in and out of the space and um i finally have a firm date that will be for that
event so it'll be on july 24th the curation deadline will be july 9th and um that's finally
set in stone i've been you know quite busy with a few things and anyways so i wanted to at least
preview that for anyone who's interested and i'll be posting probably create a more official flyer and
get that information out this weekend but um that's a little bit about it and i'll be configured
on chain through vismesh and so frame owners will be able to choose their art any art they want and
we'll display it and oh yeah the other part of so as a not to get too salesy here but as a vismesh
frame owner all exhibitions are taped and uh photographed all over the place um many frame
owners are international so there's no way they can um you know affordably view these in person and so
there's a big uh big uh uh emphasis on the kind of media capture of everything too so if you go to
vismesh.io slash media you can actually see all of the media dumps from all all the raw media dumps
from the events um and then i have a vimeo page too our videographer will always create a nice little
uh kind of professional trailer for each of our events afterwards too to promote as well
um but uh anyways yeah so that's um that's a little bit about the event that's coming up in july
um and then there will be one more in september in paris and then one more in december um in
chicago with i'm not art so yeah the calendar is quite full but uh anyways that's that that's kind
of looking at the next one and uh where things are tracking right now i love this i think that this is
so incredible too that you are recording right because a lot of times i think that's one of
that was one of the main complaints that i saw at the beginning when i entered the space not at the
beginning the beginning when i entered was that um people were doing their best to put together
exhibitions and um you know curate things and then it wasn't being documented and you did have people
that either weren't in the same city or international and couldn't get to the the location to document
their work and that is so important for artists like when we're creating our pitch decks or we want
to showcase things on any of our social media platforms or websites like documentation is so
important and you're thinking about that and that's just so thoughtful again you know as a curator and
and someone who's uplifting art and i do i do want to know a little bit more about
kind of your just more personal about you know displaying art it's it's important to you and
your movement because i i consider this a movement in a lot of ways what is it about public exhibitions
specifically large-scale installations and activations that you think have an impact on the future
of how we're going to experience and view nfts yeah i think it's um i think it's really important like
it took it took me a leap to go from really considering digital art to be on the same level
as physical art it took me a long time to really reconcile that so um i think other people will have
similar challenges of kind of it's like oh it's just a jpeg right like what's the big deal um but
then this is true art and like our world is getting more and more digital and of course art will too
so i think um i see um you know the things that i'm doing to kind of create more exposure for this
type of art um i think that's definitely um you know the bigger the broader um maybe impact that i
would hope for is that by seeing these things in public spaces hopefully it will open people's minds
more to the idea of digital art and nfts being a very real and legitimate um uh format uh just as much
so as physical art so um and and then we've got or not to uh call anyone out but uh sandman who's in
the audience like he does a little bit of both and so kind of experimenting in both domains i think
that i love that too so um anyways that's uh that is the intention um from that angle and then also
supporting artists and um anyways yes that's that that that's all that
that's great and i i kind of want to pivot for a second and just ask about
your experience with the metaverse have you experimented with curation in the metaverse
yet and how do you feel about the metaverse anything events happenings that you'd be
interested in exploring is that important to you i okay so i have some strong opinions about this
and it's going to be very interesting what happens in the next 10 years like um these apple vr glasses
that are coming seem actually good compared to a lot of the other stuff that's come out and like
i think there's been questions about the legitimacy of the metaverse but i think that's going to really
change in the next decade so um right now where we're at right now um
i am not aware of any metaverse gallery that has anywhere near the same prestige as like a physical
gallery and so i'm not art they have a physical space and a metaverse space so that is a very
interesting kind of like um uh kind of getting the best of both worlds there but i'm very interested
to see how metaverse galleries will evolve in the next 10 years i don't think it's there yet but when
it does like will moma's metaverse gallery be visited more and be considered more uh important
than their physical space like i want to see how that all plays out it's gonna be very interesting
right now i think the impact of in real life exhibitions is so much greater that's definitely
my focus but um yeah the metaverse is definitely not going away so that uh and um yeah the world
is getting crazy too so it's it'll be really interesting to see what happens with like ar vr
metaverse and um just everything so uh we'll all be robots in enough so who knows it's interesting you
say that too because i was talking with a friend recently we were saying oh hey what are you doing
this weekend a group of us and um they were talking about going to the movies and oh i'm you know we're
not going to take the kids to the movies this weekend or to see that movie not all of us because it's like
a family of uh five and um and they're going to wait for it to come out on disney right so i think that
that's something that's really interesting when you're talking about like with the apple goggles
and vr and all of that and talking about the moma because maybe these experiences they want to have
them but they don't want to go all the way to new york city to go to the moma to see an exhibition
and i know that this is a bit you know um risque to say because some people do want to go to the museums
but for people where it there's some kind of barrier there whether it's like schedule whether
it's finances whether it's getting the whole family together but you still want to experience
the art i do think that there's a place for it in the future to be able to view these exhibitions
and i know like moments some other institutions they do have virtual tours that you can take but this
is like taking it so many steps further right where you can actually have the experience i remember
the first time i put on an oculus i was like i'm not doing that and i put it on and of course i was
dancing with a robot and i was like shimmying and like getting down to my knees and i was like
that was a lot of fun i won't do that every day but it was a way for me to experience something new
to see some art to go into the metaverse and to have an experience that i feel left me feeling a
little bit more cultured than i had entered the space and i think if we can use things like that
that's super cool and that's one of the reasons why i asked you about the metaverse because you're
doing physical large scale exhibitions and presentations but then you know your latest one
that you're talking about is only going to be like recorded and live streamed that's i mean kind of
coming back and forth with those i think is really important to if you will old guard new guard kind
of thing i think will always they'll always be room for both in my mind but i feel like the virtual
spaces that are being created right now is so exciting because i think it really does allow people more
access you know instead of being afraid that we're all going to turn into robots or whatever
we would be so blessed if we would i mean then we would have time to like touch grass i guess
but i think it's fascinating and you know very much looking forward to what you have coming up and
and along the lines of that you know there are a lot of creators in this room today who are also
building and innovating and thinking about how to display and share their work in this way that we
are discussing what advice would you give to creators and and also curators that maybe want to do
something like you've been embarking on the past few years tips thoughts cautionary tales are also welcome
yeah no um i guess i mean we're all starting from scratch and so i guess any advice that i would give
is just kind of get to meet people and on twitter and clubhouse and things like that um and just start
getting out there connecting with folks and um like and then if you have any interest in like curation
or putting on events like um here in minnesota we're uh i started to um mingle around with the nft crowd
that's here and i'm actually surprised that there is one but there is there is and so we're playing some
like really small scrappy events but it's like the people are into it it doesn't matter if we're in this
you know tiny room you know with uh a couple projectors and some beers like that's you know
this is like the early phase so you know that that's like so i guess what i'm saying is like um
there's still ways to kind of like do these things and um just get out there and start and and a lot of
times you know if the motivation is there and the right group of people is there you can definitely
kind of make things happen and so i think just kind of get out there and do things meet people
and um i guess that's the main advice i've met a lot of people in the nft space that would consider
very good friends and um yeah starting to meet people locally too and um it's like a little cult
slash club slash uh religion thing that's been fun and uh anyways yeah i guess just getting to know
folks and uh that's that's probably probably the probably the main thing and uh you might make some
so you can't lose that is lovely about this space i mean i i always say to people like
when have you ever gained hundreds of friends overnight you know because that's what this
has felt like but i think the vast majority have been you know really great connections really strong
connections and just learning stuff like just learning about what you were doing through another
friend of mine because i saw their workup and i was like hey how did you do that and then they
introduced me to what you were doing at first i felt like you were kind of like a secret like a
little you know like a little like tightly kept secret and i was like what's going on what is this
business thing all about and then finally somebody told me about i'm like thanks i mean you know this
is what it's about with the community like sharing and well i i shouldn't speak like that that's what i
thought it was about um until recently where it just feels like you kind of have to you know stick
with the people that are are supporting you know your journey and vice versa and um and things that
also fit within in in in your your own ecosystem of like what you're trying to do in the space and
i know that it is it's it's not easy to curate and it's certainly not easy to do things on the scale
that you're doing i can't even imagine like the logistical things that you have to jump through
and along those lines um i wonder if you can speak to some of the challenges and how you overcame them
or anything that may have surprised you since you've embarked on um curating um yeah i guess um the main
challenges are so to give anyone who doesn't have uh too much familiarity with biz mesh it's uh it's just
it's basically just me i definitely or a lot of other people help me out don't get me wrong at all
it's not just me from that level but um i don't i don't have a team or anything and so i basically
have to learn everything and so like the the whole process of taking everyone's picks making sure that
you have them downloading all the media uh putting them into a very specific format um and then getting
that all together that can take days upon days even with i i i'm programming and creating scripts
for almost everything it's getting i want to get to the point where i can just read the smart contract
and generate the full exhibition media it is very possible to get to that point and i want to get to
that point um but it is a lot and a lot of work so um anyways yeah so i think that's the main thing
like i remember the first one i did it's like yeah i'll get some jpegs and put them on the projector
like that's not going to be hard um but then like two weeks before the event i wasn't sleeping almost
every night and um it was crazy so it's like uh i guess yeah there it's definitely when you go to
these events uh thank thank the people that are putting them on because it is definitely a lot of
work they'll absolutely appreciate it um but i think that's that's the thing for me that when i saw
that stuff in these gallery for the first time i was like man that's garbage like i could do way
better than that but it is actually a lot of work so that you know initially i was i was very much
humbled in that respect and um i would caution folks to you know be very aware of the kind of
like logistical work and time management that's needed there and the space is crazy enough already
so like uh anyways yeah i know that's a lot to put on your plate i i can't even imagine i've curated
some stuff in the past and i'm like all right i'm done but you know to keep going and to be
persistent about it i very much admire what you're doing and like you are doing this for the artists
in the space and you know i could say even though i haven't been in an exhibition yet i want to be
and will be i just commend you for all the work that you're doing because it is very important to us
artists that our work gets seen and you're on the forefront of that and that's very much appreciated
i think from all the people that have been participating and you know having their work
out there and and being viewed and being you know just the exposure that it brings is is very wonderful
and the fact that you provide the images is just like so awesome so we are coming up close to um
the hour what is on the horizon and is there any alpha that you want to share what should we be
looking out for maybe you want to also recap um just what you have coming up next again for those who
have joined a little bit later oh yeah um so yeah uh so we've got a couple uh three more
exhibitions coming up this year um if you're interested definitely check out vismesh.io
um i think there's some information on how you can get to the openc page and different things like
that um and i guess that's uh you know check it out feel free to dm me or send me a email always
happy to i've been i'm way behind my messages right now i've been i kind of left the space for a few
weeks or maybe even a month and then i'm kind of trying to get or i have to get back into it to
put on this next event so um but yeah i'm pretty open door i would consider myself pretty approachable
so uh please don't uh uh hesitate to reach out to me or if you see me at an event feel free to you know
hey uh i always love just grabbing a beer and uh just cutting it up folks so um and uh yeah so
definitely um feel free to reach out that's great so we have a friend on stage let's take um
one guest before we go nftp welcome to the stage thanks for being here hello
i wanted to one i just wanted to say something really quickly about so young because he i've
been in the space since the beginning uh with uh this conversation and the question about whether
or not he's cool of course he's cool um and i'll give you an example this is the only cool cat would
run run around uh new york with a sign that said nfts in 2021 and he did that with antonius who was
at the beginning of the spring of 2021 when you know there was a lot of opposition to that
those very same venues he's standing outside of with all different kinds of options for display
uh so that's pretty damn cool and if you know what i mean it's really cool so uh and i just that was
one of the the uh most beautiful things um and i wanted to speak personally about the curation
because sue young has been an advocate of diversity in the space for me um which is really
massive because you know i wanted to put teepees up uh in various parts especially here on turtle
island and sue young has reached out personally to me a number of different times uh to have teepees
put up uh which i think is really really significant for um you know curators to include diversity
especially the first nations people um and so that speaks it gives me honor uh to be included
by somebody inclusion is in action and sue young has consistently done that um my pin tweet is a
is me being one of the headliners and i used my frames to create one entire piece rather than display
eight or you know separate pieces and so sue young has been consistently assisting me when i want to
take advantage of the multiple frames i have uh and then give those leftover to host other
international artists again to be inclusive um i'm excited for the unseen because i'm working with
see young right now to feature one artist who's uh a canadian artist who's working on um uh he wants
to create to support old growth forests in british columbia which is massive to me as a tree plotter
of 10 years there but i just want that's an example like he works really hard to help uh not only like
the artist but the best way that we can use that utilize the frames to display something so i just
think it's really amazing um and encourage people yeah so young is completely approachable and if you
have any great ideas certainly reach out to so young and if you have any desires uh i have nine frames
and i often uh share the bulk of them with my uh with a truck i had i created one piece that fully
wrapped around uh the truck and then i used five other frames for international artists so i think
there that that that inclusion that sue young um has and has consistently had since the very first time
i met him in the beginning of spring 2021 uh it's it's it spreads it spreads like wildflowers so
um kindness and compassion in the space he he is that and i know i'm gushing but you're like really a
good human being and you're darn cool i like you
you're gonna make me cry what the f
no thanks thanks tp uh uh you've been we we're we're kind of day one i remember yeah we kind of go
way back in the clubhouse days and it's been i always enjoy hearing your voice it's very comforting
when i hear your voice on these calls and um whether it's clubhouse or twitter spaces and so
yeah uh you're way too kind to say those things and um thank you for calling me cool i'll tell my
wife that and uh we'll see we'll see how that goes
that's so cool thanks nftp like it's just so beautiful to hear you know what you're able to do
and also you know that you are a frame whale you have so many frames but i remember seeing your piece
too and it's just really cool what you've been able to do with access right you know and then working
with curators you know like so young to get this off the ground and to get it in front of people
i think that that is just a really beautiful thing and it's just more than just curating right it's just
this um it's it's very uh philanthropic you know and it's and it's sort of um the way that we
experience it in our community and i think there are more of that right more of that and um you know
it's very innovative what's been going on here so i really appreciate you taking the time
to come and and speak with us today and again thanks to nftp for popping up and just you know
giving you some some more you know validation on how what you're doing is really important and
very much needed in this space so i do want to um close up in a minute but are there any other
calls to action uh before we end today um check out vizmesh.io and have an awesome weekend
amazing so thank you again everybody for joining us today thank you it's just a young for coming up
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have a great weekend thanks everybody i'm gonna lay us out thanks guys
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