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Industrial Hemp for Sustainable Economies🌿🌿🌿🏦🤝🌎🇺🇸🇿🇦#HealingOfTheNations
Recorded: June 6, 2025 Duration: 4:47:48Space Recording
Short Summary
The discussion highlights the growing importance of hemp as a strategic resource for addressing food and energy insecurity, with potential partnerships and fundraising efforts paving the way for innovative projects and sustainable practices in the industry.
Full Transcription
Hi, HWP.
Can you hear me now?
Yay.
What up? What up? What up?
Hey, happy Friday. Oh my gosh, I just saw Josh in here.
I hope I can get him back because this is so exciting to have him in our space.
I hope he can make it back to tell us what's going on in Africa because he is in the
thick of it. And I know he's got some really good news for us. Hi, Paul. Thanks for joining. Sorry
about that. Let me, give me guys, give me a second to edit the link on my other posts and then
please share the space and we can get started here in a minute. Paul, thanks for being here.
Hi, Harry. Happy Friday. Well, thanks for inviting me. Yes, thank you for being here. You're our
expert that really, really lends a lot of credibility to the space, so it really is
great to have you here. Well, thank you so much.
I've had a really exciting week.
Started out a little discouraged and, of course, feeling all the challenges that we deal with
on a day-to-day basis, but it ended on a really good note, and I'm really excited to, I'll be reaching out to probably
all of you next week with some exciting news. But thanks for being here. Let me see if I can
get the other guys back in here. I really want to say hi to Josh. That just made my day to see him up in here.
Kelly, my girl. Hi. It's great to see you. Yeah, please use that arrow at the top right. Share the
space. Sorry for the technical difficulties. We're going to get started here in about 60 seconds,
guys. Thanks for being here. Go ahead. If you want to check paul or harry tell us
what you guys have been up to and then we can we can get into the convo i have a couple news stories
and headlines to share hi harry how's it going hey mohan how's it going i'm in new york now so
sitting next to my grandma and i just brought got uh i took the kids to the park.
Uncle Harry, you have to wear
shoes.
Like they know me.
who said
I was in charge of watching them?
But yeah, I guess I'm in charge of watching
my niece and nephew.
Put them to work. Put them to work.
Put them to work.
Leandra!
Thanks for being here.
Yeah, I just wanted to say hi.
I love you guys,
and I'll be listening,
and I just got a phone call.
I got a call back, so.
Oh, thanks, everyone,
for being here.
Please, again, share the space and pardon me as I edit these links that, you know, we had kind of our, I like doing a more general cannabis chat in this space.
You know, we talk about all the different ways this plant provides medicine, not just to our bodies, right, but to Mother Earth, to local economy, to sovereignty and self-sufficiency.
And, you know, I think everyone here in this room knows, you know,
that that's probably the largest threat or, you know,
piece of the hemp industry that really presents disruption to the status quo and to the current toxic cycle
that we were all born into. I know Paul talks about that a lot. But, you know, this is, again,
just a reminder for all of us to, you know, keep sharing this message and remind people that this plant is really the solution that offers us
future survival, right? And not dependence on any of these toxic industries that we know
from the start were unsustainable. We're never meant to last indefinitely and forever.
were never meant to last indefinitely and forever.
There is an end point to all systems that are not sustainable, right?
They have an expiration date.
So I think there's a lot of this expiring is starting to happen before our eyes.
We're seeing systems beginning to collapse and crumble. And no matter
how they try to rework a financial system or, you know, transition us into a different monetary
system, the only system that's ever going to work and be sustainable in the long run is one that really redefines and
shifts our values. Our value system is really at the core of what makes hemp such an incredible
solution for so many of the crises that we're facing. So, I don't know, Paul, if you want to say hi,
share, you know, share something. Oh, Johnny's here. Everyone needs to follow Johnny. I'm really
glad to see you here, Johnny. He's an incredible advocate for regenerative agriculture and so many of the practices and, you know, things that we talk about
in here. So this is already turning out to be a great space. I'm looking forward to hearing from
all of you. Please, you know, it's usually a cozy space, so feel free to chime in, you know,
come off mute or just, you know, you don't necessarily have to raise your hand,
I guess is what I'm saying. Hi, having grown. Thanks for being here. So go ahead, Paul,
introduce yourself. And if you have anything to kind of build off of.
Thank you, Milan. I appreciate your view of this massive subject. You are one of the few people who really gets the idea of cannabis being mankind's functional interface with the earth's natural order. for people to understand because until we understand why that's true, then we won't fully
assess the essential value of cannabis. And it's frustrating to me that so few people understand the significance of it in those terms because it really does limit people's ability to prioritize this subject and this issue. The functional interface is reflected in federal documents
as hemp is recognized as a strategic resource. That's kind of an obtuse term, but what it means is that cannabis is
critical to national security and global integrity. And that's the essence of what I have
been working on for the last 34 years in pointing that out. People may know that I've started planting cannabis publicly in 1992
and challenging the rightful jurisdiction of the court over natural resources that are both unique and essential. And so that's kind of the starting
point for me 34 years ago. And since then, it's just been a matter of breaking it down into sound
bites and concepts that people can go from a point of either not knowing anything about cannabis or,
you know, knowing something about it, but, but not fully, uh,
understanding why cannabis is essential. It's not.
Yes. Thank you for saying that.
I want to make sure I give everyone a chance to ask questions.
And even if you're asking a question that you may already kind of know the answer to, but, you know, questions that can be kind of verbalized or, you know, laid out, the answer can be laid out in a really scientifically backed way. Paul
is the man to ask. So I just want to make sure I give everyone a chance to come on up and ask
questions, whatever it is about cannabis or hemp. I think that's a really key thing here. And sometimes, you know, you ask a question, it's what other people are wondering as well. It's really our mission for this space is really to kind of just provide those key bullet points for the community at large to really take and run with. And again, you know, we know this is a revolution of truth
and the truth can't be, can't be refuted. So Johnny, I don't know if you can come say hi,
introduce yourself, maybe tell us a little bit about what you're doing and if you have any
questions for Paul. But I think we're definitely
getting to a point as a movement or an industry or a community that is, we're at a precipice for
sure. We're at a very important juncture in our journey. And I'm curious to hear, you know, what, what are some of the solutions or ideas that you
guys are, are working on or that you have for how we, you know, we regain our, our sovereignty,
our self-sufficiency with, with cannabis hemp, with industrial hemp specifically.
with cannabis hemp, with industrial hemp specifically. We know there's a major attack
happening right now against just the word hemp, right? It's very misconstrued. A lot of people
don't quite understand even, you know, the way that the plant operates and moves. So I don't know if anyone has a question, please, please chime in.
Oh, Paul dropped. Well, hopefully he'll be back, but, um, if anyone has any questions,
I want to make sure we open it up to the floor. HWP world. I know you were at Texas Hemp Stock recently, and you have such a great story of how you're reaching the masses, showing them what hemp can do.
I think there's definitely some real possibilities for anyone who wants to support the hemp industry here in the U.S.
and, you know, get on board with what HWP is doing with the bus.
He's touring around the U.S. showing people what can be what can be done with industrial hemp.
He's completely remodeled an old an old bus.
He put in hemp flooring. He insulated
it with hemp and put hemp cabinets. And now he's got the blessing of a really energy efficient
bus that stays a lot cooler in the hot summer months. We all experienced that. Welcome.
Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, but I guess some of the people
in here might not that, you know, we found an old bus in a field, one size bigger than the short bus,
Arkansas Razorback auxiliary bus. And the idea is to kind of show people that you can take
something that other people thought maybe wasn't worth anything anymore um it was sitting there just
going to waste in a field and uh i worked barter on the whole thing so um again it kind of shows
sometimes you you don't have to have money to do something you know if you got a little bit of skill
and determination and uh so that's kind of how i got into it um and then i bartered for all the stuff that we have on the bus except you
know the actual hemp products uh the companies don't have much you know everybody's growing in
this industry so trying to get free stuff doesn't work well you've got to you know you got to support
so um we bought flooring and cabinetry and insulation and just did it one step at a time and then um yeah
we got to go to the texas hemp stock and that was super cool to get to meet everybody um get to hang
out share that kind of energy and watch something you know of that nature bring people together you
get to use music and a fun environment and then while they're there doing that they explore off
into an area and find out all this other stuff about hemp and
Like you mentioned, you know the the idea behind the bus was most of the time people don't
Understand the actual practical uses they're like. Oh, yeah, you could get hemp
I'm sure you could get him this you could get him that but when it comes down to actually
Getting it and knowing what they should and shouldn't what they can and
can't get they don't know it um we were sitting there and i was talking to uh paul even and he
didn't know about the hemp texture hemp insulation that we carry you know and and that can go to show
you because of course paul's a leader in all of this and yet at the same time the knowledge is
only you know you have to come across it to have it so again that's what we use the bus for is to try
and bring that to people go to events and then also all of you have such
interesting stories and you know everybody kind of does and so as the
lawn and them saw we used it at the event. We set up inside. It's got a full RV conversion inside of it.
So we have cabinets and tables and a little lounge area and everything.
And again, AC, which super helped at the hot event down there.
And then we can come inside the space and have conversations that maybe you can't have, you know, when you're out on the stage or anything like that.
But we can also record it and take that and so that way you can use it in your own format
Plus we try to share it and so I think that's the biggest thing all of us are really looking into right now is
How do we get this knowledge out here to everybody?
You know because you guys are doing wonderful stuff, you know, Harry building the houses out of him
Milan showing the clothing, Paul with the industry stuff, you know, the filming and all that.
That's, you know, that's our biggest concern.
It's like the two biggest hurdles that I understand in the industry are processors and
information.
And the more we can get information out to people the more you guys do stuff like this
sharing spaces um sharing the information sharing the knowledge you know some days we might feel
like we're preaching to each other but i think every once in a while or even more often now than
it was we run into to other people uh i hate i don't know what term to use except it seems to
me like explorers in the
world, you know, people who are willing to look out and see, well, what else is out here? And then
we can show them, hey, there's these, these alternatives, you know, there's other ways to do
this. So it's super encouraging and all that, that the industry is doing that, but we got to
keep sharing the knowledge and find ways to bring this into people's lives because as much
as we're all trying if we can't get this stuff into the people who don't already know you know
we got to get that into their lives so they understand and that way we can get rid of these
toxic ways you know it again it starts with our straight from the soil you know if we're
we're not growing the products that we build our houses from then
they're coming from petrochemicals and then that means they're coming from poison and so they're
going to poison our homes and so we've learned these ways that we can use farm to home practices
and um sustainable products like hemp and help bring that in so that we can all use it. So that's kind of what I do. Like I say, just
No, that's, that's great. And I want to make sure you tell people how can they support you? What do
you need? I want to, you know, also use this space as a time for us to kind of share our own projects
and what we're doing in the hemp industry and in the space and,
you know, how we can get support from, you know, maybe people who aren't necessarily,
you know, up to speed or don't really know all of the potential that hemp holds.
I know Paul can get into that in depth, but, you know, just share with us, you know, what is your, what is HWP World's mission and how can the community support you?
Well, our mission is really just to bring people together and kind of tear down some of these barriers that have been put up in our lives.
You know, they tell us that we're also separate, but as as a traveler you find out we're also very much alike you know
and so to break down those walls and bring people together to share all the
amazing things that each other does because that again gives us a common
thread and and we can share that all together I would think one of the
easiest ways to support us would be at the dot com hwp
world.com and we actually have a support link um of course we are open to sponsorships and stuff
if somebody wanted us to say carry their message or their product along with it we carry the hemp
wood flooring we carry hemp insulation we carry umpy hearts proteins you know hemp proteins
because we need edibles that are actually just protein and cannabinoids not
something that'll get you high and the seed is super super good for our bodies
you know we've grown up with this thing and so um and then we carry uh let's see hemp traders fabrics and we carry willies remedy cbd lines but
we do 99 of this we just show it off um it's so much easier to get people just to go to the sites
and get it from those manufacturers um we don't make enough off an affiliate code almost to make
it worthwhile it's not like we would do big sales
and that but carrying the name you know as we travel everywhere the bus goes we get to talk
to people we get to share you know all of this every time we stop at a gas station you're talking
to people and showing them the bus because everybody wants to see it and so if someone had
um they wanted their logos to get out to people wanted their logos to get out to people, one of their knowledge to get out to people, their links, whatever the case, we could share them as logos on the bus.
Again, I make podcasts and interviews. We're bringing some of that.. So trying to get more shows and stuff released. And then that being the case, someone who wanted sponsorship could get their name, their stuff put on, like mentioned in our podcast and in our episodes and stuff like that on our YouTube channel and our socials.
And, you know, as we grow, then that helps.
We all help each other grow the more we
can share the message so to me that's the biggest way someone could help us is uh we're always
looking for sponsors people to help me the bill bus thinks gas is still out of the 80s too and so
it's definitely an expense to move around and then she's running off an old chevy engine so
there's always the cantankerousness of driving an old chevy pickup
truck across the country you know um anybody who's had an old chevy pickup truck or been in one you
know they're they're they're good they're reliable but they do take maintenance and so she takes a lot
of maintenance and all that comes out of my pocket and all the upgrades and all of that so any help
And all the upgrades and all of that. So any help to get us to events, even sometimes like what happened with Texas Hempstock, they didn't have the ability to offer any funding, but they also did offer us access. us electricity they they helped us set up so we could really show what we could do and share that
with everybody and so that's huge too you know that has its own benefits because a lot of times
people want you to pay a vendor fee but we're not really vending anything you know um so i'm not
making sales off of the products i try actually I know that might seem contrary, but I want the message out there
more than I want I
Mean I need money to survive, but I want the message out there more than I want
The money off of it. And so I don't want to spend all my time
Selling one of the products, you know what we could carry a lot of the willies remedy products and I maybe get an area set up beside the bus and have somebody out there to run it
And then maybe that would help finance some of our stuff, but it also would detract from the bigger cause
which is
Sharing the knowledge, you know sharing what each other does
That's one of the reasons like said that the hemp stock was so cool because I was able to get stories from almost all the people there
I mean some of the interviews we got to do I'm not I got to ask all the
questions we wanted or those kind of things but it's still a connection and a
start and other people will get to see those and so that's that helps spread
the word and start the conversation and hopefully hopefully, I think we've all been, some of us have been working on a little project in the background.
And the idea would be we need to find a way to get this conversation more into the mainstream or at least into a very user friendly format.
So that there's
There's just a newer way to help get it to the masses
So that's a big deal to me and if anybody's got ideas on how to do that
I'm definitely down to help with any of that and again
I love running around and taking the bus to events
So if you're part of an event and you can help us get into it or help us cover to get back and forth
That's that's how we all support and sponsor each other and then I give you content that generally no one
else ever gets that's kind of one of the things we offer because I go to a lot of
shows and stuff and we always end up with a pretty good access that a lot of
people don't get and then when you bring in something like the bus well now we
get a totally new access because very rarely at these events do you get to interview and have a real conversation with the artists, with the vendors, with the producers of the event, you know, the promoters and such. Because then we can share that story of why they did what they did or what brought them to this place.
And just bring people into an environment where they can share it and experience in a level you can't otherwise.
So that's kind of what we try to bring to something.
And anybody who can help us continue to do that, man, that would be our greatest support, I think.
Yes.
You know, you reminded me, I just posted it
in the purple pill. Um, some really, I love seeing news like this, even when it's, you know,
from other countries. Um, there was a, uh, a Waga green, a Waga green technologies team at the India hemp expo this year fueled a Toyota with hemp fuel.
And, you know, we know most of us in here know the potential of hemp seed oil as a biodiesel.
You're still running the bus on regular gas, right?
Yeah, right now it's just running off of regular gas. I think that would be
a great first, you know, to find someone to sponsor, even if it's just like one tour, you know,
local, whatever, whatever we have enough to do, but to show the bus running on hemp biofuel would be a really exciting, I think, step for Stella.
The bus's name is Stella, right? No, Starla. Starla, Starla, sorry. I always think Stella,
too. That's off the Rocky Mountains. No, I love Starla. That's a great name for her.
I'm going to post a picture of the bus to you guys so you can see what we're talking about.
But, you know, we know this is one of the solutions.
of, you know, what hemp has to offer us as a species currently in crisis, specifically
with our food and energy security.
Food and energy, you guys, are staples of life, right?
So when those fundamental pieces of a society begin to crack or as we're seeing, you know,
we're, it's kind of the elephant in the
room, you know, we, I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but we do have some really grave,
not so good news statistics coming out just about how many harvests we have left in our soil here in the United States.
And we know that so much, so much of this is connected to our, you know, again, our toxic
systems are the way that we have just completely chemicalized our agriculture system. And, you
know, more and more people are starting to realize we've got to
get back to regenerative practices. And I know that Johnny speaks about this a lot. Again, I'm
really blessed to see you in the space, Johnny, and I'd love to, you know, invite you to come up
and speak. But I see Harry's up at the mic and Harry's doing incredible pioneer work in the building space. I don't know if Harry,
if you want to share a little bit about what you're doing and again, how can we support and Welcome, welcome. Harry, you there?
If you can't speak, no worries.
He did say he had a phone call.
Oh, no worries.
But while we're talking about food insecurity, and even more now, my gosh, with some of the
And even more now, my gosh, with some of the rumors and maybe not rumors, actual reports of what the powers that be are trying to inject into our beef, into our chickens, into our livestock. There's a lot of nervousness around this mRNA stuff that they're talking about rolling out in some cases already are.
I don't know, Johnny, if you've got more, you know, real time reports or data that you can share with us about what is currently happening with farmers and ranchers kind of being subjected to this
new world order agenda to, you know, put wacky stuff into our food as a means to, you know,
again, part of this whole agenda to control. And and you know, it goes down some dark, some dark paths, but you
know, again, we're, we're, we're being right now challenged and we're facing, uh, some major
scary, scary situations with our food supply. Um, I, you know, maybe, maybe, Paul, you can
get into some of the, the science behind, you know, ways that hemp actually can fix the current
crisis or, you know, why it's so important right now for anyone and everyone that can grow hemp to
be growing hemp? Well, thank you, Melania. Yeah, I've been pointing out that if people aren't
growing hemp for a seed and stock in their region, then they're food and energy insecure and probably malnourished.
Because on top of the issue of food security, there's also the issue of essential nutrition. I mean, you can have an abundance of food and still not have the
essential nutrition that's necessary for optimum health and proper physical development.
And so one of the things about hemp that makes it unique, and this is very important to understand, is that hemp provides complete essential nutrition.
And that's just a huge thing to say.
I mean, that subject alone could fill volumes.
That subject alone could fill volumes.
But at the same time, cannabis is the only crop that produces complete essential nutrition and an abundance of clean energy from the same organic harvest. with more agronomic and environmental benefits in less time than any other agricultural resource, any other plant.
And so all of those things considered simultaneously are the reason I can claim that cannabis is mankind's functional interface with the earth's natural order.
There's no other plant that has all of those properties and qualities.
And so I think it's important to not only understand all of that,
important to not only understand all of that, but also understand that, you know, just knowing that
isn't enough. We have to have a strategy for implementing these solutions. It's not enough
to just know what the solution is. The solution has to be implemented in a timely manner because doing the right thing
too late has the same undesirable outcome as doing the wrong thing. And so what I've done I have been contacted by the TED Talks folks and am preparing to do a TED Talk on why cannabis is mankind's functional interface with Earth's natural order but also what the steps are for implementing
a cannabis inclusive economy
and so that's that's the the challenge is well it's so it's so different it's so contrary to our current agricultural um system and the way that yeah it
really this is the main reason we love it so much is it decentralizes power right and decentralizes
the um supply chain you know right now that's why it's prohibited Right. That's the motivation behind prohibition.
The myth of cannabinoid toxicity has been used to suppress the industrial hemp industry.
Yep.
Absolutely. I love your story about the FAO gentleman. I just posted the link. It's up in the
nest. If you guys check that out, that hemp seed as a nutritional resource and overview by JC
Calloway. It's one of the best kind of presentations that I've seen in quite a,
you know, quite a while that it really summarizes why, you know, why we're such fanatics about this,
because this is about our survival, folks. We're, we, again, we are really facing some unprecedented challenges with
the future of food and energy security, and it's something that is not getting talked about.
The UN did release that study. It was back in early 2000s, I think, or maybe it was prior to 2020 or 2009, maybe. So it's been almost,
I think, 10 plus years since that last report came out saying that we only have 40 harvests left. And
you know, I started challenging AI. I was having a conversation about that, about the UN report saying that we only had
40 harvests left. I asked it to also calculate in the recent collapse of the bees here in the
United States, the bee colony collapse has been another, it's another major breaking story that really probably hasn't gotten as much press as it should.
Because, again, these are these are crises that the current establishment doesn't really have solutions for.
So, of course, they're not going to want to, you know, send send out the news and make themselves look bad.
you know, send, send out the news and make themselves look bad. So I think that this is all,
all culminating. Um, but that, that, uh, report that you shared with me, Paul, from the FAO,
um, maybe you could just share real quick that story of when you, um, spoke with the gentleman
who really, I know you've told this story a million times,
but I know there's people in this room that haven't heard it.
So if you could just share it really quick.
And then again, if anyone has questions or wants to come up or you have a story or headline
or anything you want to share, you know, related to cannabis and hemp, please, this is the
space to do it.
It's kind of our
think tank. And I'm really grateful for all of you for being here. Leandra, I'd love to hear
from you too. I saw your post about the Virginia hemp industry and what, you know, there's sounds
like there's some things happening there that we need to support. So I'd love to have you come up and share, but go ahead, Paul,
please. Can you share that story real quick? Sure. I was in Switzerland in 2003 at the
Chandra Info, uh, cannabis demonstration project. Um, and I learned that the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization
has a food security and nutrition forum that was open to the public. And so I joined the forum and
started introducing the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization to hemp seed nutrition, because there was no
mention of hemp seed nutrition on the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization's
website in 2003. And so I sent them that study by Jace Calloway at the University of Kuopio in Finland, where he developed phenola,
which is a unique strain of hemp seed in that it has four of the essential fatty acids,
not just three, not just the omega-3, 6, and 9, But there is a fourth essential fatty acid that's in the phenola
strain. Well, to make a long story short, Andrew McMillan was a retired UN FAO
UN FAO professional who had no idea that hemp seed nutrition was so significant in his efforts to end world hunger, which he'd been trying to do for 35 years. And he characterized the absence of that knowledge as criminal negligence, which it is.
But he wrote that in a document where he and I are exchanging messages. And he thanked me for sending him Calloway's paper.
But the market resistance to solutions is based in the fact that problems are profitable. And the economic inertia that we
were all born into prevents introduction of solutions to problems, because solutions aren't
profitable for the people that are currently making money on the problems. And so we have to understand that the game is rigged.
It's going to take an overwhelming effort to overcome that inertia. And that is the challenge
for us is to coordinate our efforts. You know, you've heard me use the analogy to a tug of war
many times where the team that wins is the one that learns to pull on the rope all at the same time.
Well, that's what the contemporary cannabis culture needs to do is we all need to pull on the rope at the same time and say the same thing at the same time.
We also need to understand why we are right, why the information we have is more important than anything else that anybody else is talking about, because we're running out of time.
And that's the sticking point. That's the limiting factor in the equation of survival. And so for
us to miss this spring planting season again, by not planting enough cannabis, is a huge oversight. It's a huge mistake, but the remedy for it is both education and strategy.
And the strategy, as you know, is a federal protocol, essential civilian demand that has to be implemented. It has to be
implemented because it's not going to happen any other way. And that's why it's so important for
people to understand not only the true value of cannabis, but what the most time efficient strategy for change is. And that's, I think the, I mean,
aside from some of the, the systemic, uh, relationships that I've, I've come to figure out over the years. I think the strategy that I'm proposing
is equally significant
as just the knowledge of why cannabis
is both unique and essential.
There's several reasons for that. of why cannabis is both unique and essential.
There's several reasons for that.
But Andrew McMillan at the UNFAO,
Food and Agriculture Organization,
was able to influence the UN discourse to the extent that in 2016,
hemp seed nutrition was introduced into the drug policy conversation in Vienna for the first time.
It took from 2003 to 2016 for the UN to finally start talking about hemp seed nutrition as a factor in their drug policy.
And so we need to understand that inertial resistance to the truth is, is intentional. I've, I've talked to
the secretary of agriculture face to face about increasing the integrity of the natural order. But
I'm completely dismissed and disregarded and not invited to substantiate the rationale that I've been trying to introduce for 34 years. So,
you know, I think it's important for us to be realistic about what's happening.
Yes. Oh, go ahead. How do you think we, how do you think we changed that? I mean,
is that an okay question? How do you think we start to make mean is that an okay question how do you think we start to make
it so that you're not being ignored because we all know that it's this is true um we can see it
a matter of fact one of my friends was even talking about it how you know used to you could go to the
beach and run around and you were fine and now if you go out and you're out 20 minutes buddy you're
gonna have uh she got some family just came down down and some weren't bad enough to be next to hospitalized. How do we share your message better? I mean, is there any ideas on that?
Yeah, there are. I think we need to assemble a contingent to present this information to Congress in the most public forum possible.
And that is going to take some money, first of all. There are people that need to be flown from different places to Washington, D.C. in order to do that.
But the truth is that money has no value when time runs out.
Time is the only thing we can't make more of.
And if we run out of time to make a difference, then money loses all of its value. Self and economics is the most ancient system based in abundance.
And it's summed up in the phrase, you help me help you help everyone.
who is concerned about their children's future, about the future of the planet, about other
creatures with whom we share this planet who also depend upon cannabis for their health,
evolution, and survival. And so if we pool our resources, whatever those resources happen to be,
those resources happen to be, then we can all pull on the rope at the same time and get this done.
Because that's the only way it's going to happen. We all have to pull together.
One person can make a difference, but one person can't make a difference by himself.
And that's where, you know, this forum is so important. Milan, you know, you're just such a
You know, this forum is so important. Milan, you know, you're just such a superhero for doing this every every Friday and every Sunday with Harry.
You know, you guys are the the future of our of our species, literally, because without this, that won't happen.
Without this, that won't happen.
And so I hope that answers your question.
It's an excellent question.
And it's one that I've been asked many times.
And the answer is always the same.
We have to coordinate our resources and pull in the people we know that will support us
in achieving this specific outcome. The specific outcome that I'm looking for
is an end to the myth of cannabinoid toxicity that imposes the THC limits on industrial hemp nationally, then the investment in processing infrastructure that's needed will be secured with a guaranteed delivery of the harvest. Right now, the THC limits threaten the harvest
if it goes over these obsolete THC limits. Well, nobody's going to invest in processing
infrastructure on a massive scale if you can't guarantee delivery of the industrial feedstock.
And so that's the sticking point or the THC limits.
And so that would be the object of the game in going to Washington, D.C.
And it's important to understand that when you're talking to people about funding such an effort.
But that's the process that needs to occur and it needs to occur, you know, yesterday.
I mean, we really are behind the
curve Paul I know you've got a lot of experience and the oceans as a scuba diver also you you
worked with who were those gangsters what What is it? Sea Shepherd.
Yes.
I don't know if you guys know what Sea Shepherd is or who they are, but I mean, talk about some true planet protectors.
They are some of the most courageous people out there doing the Lord's work.
But Paul's got a lot of experience with, uh, marine life and biology.
And I know you talk a lot about the, um, uh, the phytoplankton, uh, in your, in your book as part
of that, you know, boreal, the boreal forests, um, that ring of forest vegetation that goes around the planet also includes the plant ecosystems of the ocean too, right?
And those plants have produced terpenes that protect that top layer of the ocean just the same way the boreal forests produce terpenes to protect, you know, the
atmosphere from UVB.
But can you, you know, we've been seeing a lot of stories lately about these algae
blooms, these toxic, quote unquote, algae blooms that are killing all the wildlife,
allegedly.
And if it is, can you maybe give us in layman's terms kind of a breakdown of
how that's connected to the terpenoid, you know, those aerosol terpenes, that terpene production
that we're losing because of the destruction of the boreal forest? because I have a feeling this algae, you know, they're making it sound
like, oh, it's just normal. It's part of, you know, regular process. But these animals are
washing up dead. Some of them seizing, shaking. I mean, we're seeing really sad, alarming
reactions to something that's happening in the oceans. Can you, with all your past expertise and experience,
I know you're probably one of the best people to kind of answer this
or break it down for us.
Well, first of all, all systems are connected.
That's just a fundamental truth that can't be ignored.
And so man has been tinkering with an integrated, complex set of relationships that we don't even begin to fully understand. And so the symptoms of our
irresponsible disregard for natural systems are these algae blooms and you see the, the, the ulceration that is occurring on the backs of,
of whales that are exposed to the increasing UV radiation.
You see the increased solubility of mercury and arsenic out of aqueous solution that's caused by the latent levels would suggest.
is that there are only three sources of atmospheric aerosol terpenes
that are significant enough to affect the global atmosphere.
One of them is the boreal forests and the terpenes that are produced by the boreal forests that circle the
globe at the subpolar regions. The other one is, as you mentioned, the marine phytoplankton,
abundance of isoprene, which then becomes or transforms into terpenes as it rises in the
atmosphere to the stratosphere. And the a very, very short span of time.
We're talking months.
its act together and to plant cannabis in every soil and climate condition to which it may be able
to adapt, then we could replenish the Earth's atmosphere in a relatively short span of time
because cannabis grows so fast and it grows so abundantly and it produces such a huge volume of terpenes that it outperforms even the boreal forests and the marine phytoplankton
in terms of the amount of aerosol terpenes produced over a given span of time.
produced over a given span of time. So, you know, the strategy for healing the planet
is the best news there is. There's actually something everybody can do to help heal this,
the planet. And the fact is, if we couldn't use cannabis for one thing, we'd still have to grow it specifically to replenish
earth's atmosphere with terpenes. We're just lucky that we can make fuel out of it, that the seed
offers complete nutrition, that it offers safe and effective herbal therapeutics and building materials.
And, you know, I mean, all of the products that come from the cannabis plant are very,
very valuable and essential to mankind's survival. But it's the environmental services that actually have the most value and yet are valued the
least by our species.
And the result of that is that we are a parasitic species.
We're a parasite upon the planet until we achieve symbiotic relationship with the systems
that comprise the natural order.
And so that's the relationship there.
But there's also the water purification element of terpenes in the atmosphere
and the dangers of having half the terpenes in the atmosphere now, today,
as we had just 70 years ago. So that's a huge baseline shift in
something that has a very fundamental effect on the hydrologic cycle. Something else that
we need to be aware of. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'd like to get into this
further at some point, but I have to take a pause and I'm jumping up and down and very excited to
see my host, my co-host from Hemp Rising, Josh Schneider has joined the space. Josh, thank you for being here.
I've been sharing with everybody about your recent journey to South Africa.
And we just, I know we've, you've got a crowd of people here that probably have lots of
questions, but we'd love to hear a report of what's going on over there. It's great
to see you in here. We miss you so much. It's so exciting to hear your voice. And of course,
Sonny's in the background. Yes, he's screaming because he can hear your voice.
Well, thanks. It's always a challenge with the time difference. I'm nine hours ahead of California. I'm currently in Cape Town, South Africa. I'll be here for another two weeks or two months in Zambia working on their hemp and cannabis regulatory program.
And we're excited that we've got a commitment from them to issue the first hemp license to us.
The church in Zambia is quite powerful and has been quite skeptical of cannabis and hemp. And because of the team that
I'm working with here in South Africa, the Agricultural Hemp Consortium of South Africa
and Druid's Garden, they've developed a novel model of taking land-race cannabis strains and selecting them for high CBD and low THC production and using those as
dual purpose hemp crops. And so we have a we have a offtake agreement to purchase
16 million kilos of hemp flower every quarter starting next year. And so we're building out about 20,000 hectares
this over the next 12 months, going up to about 200,000 hectares and maybe beyond.
And because the plants are landrace, as many of the hardcore genetics people know, Landry strains are always such an exciting thing to play with, but they're often incredibly frustrating for traditional growers who are trying to grow indoors because a lot of the varieties are equatorial.
and we know cannabis as a plant that is sensitive to day length, but in equatorial regions,
the day length doesn't change very much, and so that doesn't, the plants around the equator have
evolved other methods of figuring out when they should flower beyond day length, and so a lot of
land-raised strains, you know, you veg them for six or eight weeks and then you flip them.
And sometimes they can go 16 to 20 weeks without finishing flowering after the flip.
And so you can either be, I know many growers who were basically bankrupted by the lighting bill.
But outdoors in field cultivation as hemp, they are spectacular. And so these varieties get
up to 20, 22 feet tall. We can plant 30,000 seeds per hectare, and there's 2.2 acres in a hectare.
And the plants are so big, they cover the area. We get about 7,000 or 8,000 kilos of flour per hectare.
And so this is allowing us to really bring in a lot of small farmers, especially in South Africa, which has been in the news a lot.
There's a lot of land access and farming rights issues here.
And it's very difficult to find a traditional crop like corn or soy that somebody who's never farmed before and only has a few hectares can actually
make money on. And so hemp offers the opportunity for small farmers and community groups to grow on a small scale individually, but a larger scale as a group.
And so we can work with communities. King Makassanke, who's the king in Mpumalanga,
the region kind of around Eswatini, formerly Swaziland, in the north of South Africa.
Eswatini, formerly Swaziland, in the north of South Africa. He's one of our partners.
And so we will be able to employ, provide work for up to 80 people on five hectares of production.
And our offtake agreement allows us to build the industry structure.
And then we also have a commitment for a $500 million biofuels plant to produce sustainable aviation fuel.
And so we'll be doing biofuel on, I think, about 12, 16, 18,000 hectares to start.
And so that's great.
That will provide not as many jobs as the cannabinoid
but we have another land race uh bread strain that gets like 30 feet tall and doesn't flower
much but it puts on really nice stock biomass um and we're doing the same thing in zambia
And we're doing the same thing in Zambia, Botswana, and Malawi.
And so I've been working on negotiating deals for access with a benefit sharing agreement to land-raised cannabis strains that we can select and create a local hemp strain that has been growing in these regions for thousands of years.
And so it doesn't get disease.
It doesn't need a lot of extra water.
It doesn't need fertilizer.
These are cannabis strains that have evolved and that various small groups of people have
protected and used and refined over the years.
And so they're very versatile and very flexible.
And when we trialed them up against European, American, and Asian genetics,
they exceeded all of those in terms of productivity for both stock biomass, flower,
seed production, et cetera. And so it's a really cool project to be involved in.
It has been a real treat for me, having worked mainly in West Africa for the last 15 years,
20 years on my breadfruit project in the tropics. It has been a nice experience to be able to work
with farmers in the drier regions and have a crop that can be successfully cultivated here.
And there's just all sorts of associated never I never would have imagined I would have
walked into this I came over to to speak at the ethno pharmacology conference about creating
sustainable supply chains in I think it was September of last year and I just haven't left
but it's been such a treat to visit Botswana and meet the people of Botswana and Swaziland, Eswatini.
I'm heading to spend a little time with the king in late August.
And so that will be really fun because a lot of that country's agricultural production is illegal cannabis.
And so that'll be an interesting learning experience. And you have countries like Botswana that are quite religious
and so have really avoided legalizing cannabis. But once I explained the economic benefits
and environmental benefits and sustainability benefits.
It was a treat to come in and hear Paul talking about terpenes
because I have quoted him repeatedly at multiple conferences
and in talking with various ministry officials in the various governments
about the values of terpenes for the
atmosphere and so there's there's been a real turnaround my team jokingly call
me the pied piper of hemp because they send me to a country that is against it
and in Zambia within within a week and a half of arriving, I had met the president and had convinced the
churches that there was a real economic benefit for the country. And then the churches began
pushing forward to move the industry ahead. So it's been a really crazy, interesting,
unusual project. And I'm also working on some ethnobotanical products that will be used by
some big American companies in alcohol replacements, a plant called Sceletium
tortuosum, which is native to the South African Karoo Desert, and has some really interesting
serotonin boosting and mood altering, anti-anxiety and clean energy properties.
And so I've set up a supply chain that'll work with a lot of small farmers in the Karoo Desert
to help produce for that supply chain.
And we're hoping to keep some of the value add here in the countries
by encouraging investors to put money in for extraction labs
so that it's not just a colonial extractive model
where all the cheap, low-level, low-profit products
are shipped out of the country
and don't benefit the people beyond just a single transaction.
And that seems to be coming together as well.
So it's been a really exciting, interesting,
and sometimes quite lonely. I've been
out in the middle of nowhere for weeks or months on end with very few people around doing writing
and talking. But it's been an absolute delight. But I'm looking forward to coming back for a few
weeks and seeing everybody in the U.S. and seeing my family. I have a new grandson that was born two months ago who I have to meet,
and so that'll be fun as well. And of course, seeing Milan and Jamal and Sonny and
everybody will be fantastic. Oh my gosh, it's going to be so great to see you. But I know people probably have questions here.
I want to ask what you mentioned, the land-raised strains. Are you seeing that that is kind of a
benefit? What are some of the ways that you see
of the ways that you see Africa more poised to take the hemp industry and really run with it
versus the U.S.? What are some of the positives there? Well, of the last four hours, I have spent
three hours and 45 minutes talking about hemp policy in various groups, including the
National Industrial Hemp Council, for which I serve as an advisor on trade and policy.
And we're pushing our farm bill approach, fit for purpose, new definition categories, and a new performance-based sampling approach.
And strangely, every African country I've gone to is working on adopting the American
approach that we developed, that America has yet to develop.
And so the African hemp economy has been kind of jammed up, in my opinion, by all the foreign genetics that people keep coming over here with, frankly, corrupting the land-raised strains with sloppily bred, non-feminized seed, which I would consider the land-raised strains cultural heritage that should be protected.
the land race strains cultural heritage that should be protected and my policy approach is that the
African country should ban all foreign hemp and cannabis seeds because they have the foundations
of everything they need here in land races so a land race strain is defined as a genetically uniform but visually variable population think of
it as a tribe and so in South Africa there are maybe 16 distinct land ray
strains and some of the ones that people might have heard are like Malawi gold
or Haneps River but the most famous land-raised strain in Africa
is Durban poison and lamb's bread in Jamaica is the Jamaican land-raised strain
and so these are strains that have generally modest THC levels from six to ten percent THC
THC levels from 6 to 10 percent THC that have persisted in the environment for thousands of
years, shepherded along by and pressured by various human uses. And so the land race strains
of Africa are an amazing cultural resource. And they kept bringing in Canadian and American and European hemp and cannabis and when
you grow it outside it does a terrible it performs horribly generally because the light levels are
different the day length is different the light intensity is different it's just a different
environment and so the Landry strains provide each country with an opportunity to take what they already have and adapt it for various uses.
And land ray strains are very flexible genetically because they're not a single variety.
They're a population.
So they're incredibly responsive to changes in the environment. So they have persisted through many episodes of
climate change because there's always a percentage of the population that can
survive and carry forward the genes of the group. So when drought comes or
excess rain comes or the elephants, God forbid, come and tear it all up. The plants, the genetics, survive because
they adapt. And so they lend themselves to a great many uses. And so for cannabinoid production,
for hemp grain production, for leaf biomass production, and for stock production,
they excel because they've had thousands of years head start
in growing in this region and so i see that as a real cultural resource the unfortunately the
california toxin i'll call it the utter and complete incompetence of the California government to regulate cannabis as if it's fentanyl or methamphetamine is unfortunately the global example over here of what they think cannabis regulation should be. So of course you could imagine
my getting up at various conferences and denouncing California and their US regulatory approach
and saying, please don't make the same mistakes
that the US government made
because they have basically murdered the baby hemp
in its crib and high THC cannabis only survives in a prison system that we call
regulated cannabis. And it's about to die anyway. My assessment of regulated cannabis is that it's
man walking. 75% of the profits of regulated cannabis industry today come from hemp derived
cannabinoids whether natural or synthetic. The smoking of flour is
massively on the decline and people are increasingly focused on consumables,
which is personally not my cup of tea but I guess guess I'm old school in that way.
So South Africa has categorized hemp and cannabis, in fact, as a traditional medicine. And South Africa only has 50,000 physicians, but it has 250,000 traditional medicine practitioners.
250,000 traditional medicine practitioners. And so they've put cannabis as a traditional medicine,
which has given it an easier pathway regulatorily to navigate. So here in Cape Town, you walk around
and I haven't sent you pictures yet, Milan, but last Friday, a week ago, I was with Wolf, the architect who designed and built the Hemp Hotel.
And I got a tour of the Hemp Hotel.
Wait, tell us, tell us.
They're building a new one next door to it.
And it's really extraordinary.
It's been a real treat to spend some time with Wolf.
The Instagram for his company is Wolf and Wolf Architects. I'll find it. I might have
already sent it to you, Milan. But it is just amazingrete. And just being in the room that is all hemp compared to the one
with a concrete wall, I don't know how to explain it, but there's a certain vibe shift that you feel
being surrounded by hempcrete. It was very calming just on my ears.
I have a little tinnitus that went away.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
I just experienced it last week in Texas.
Yes, it's incredible.
It was so cool.
And we started talking about how this,
for people who have sensory issues and autistic kids,
this could be kind of a Temple Grandin hugging machine
in the form of a room.
But Afromat Hemp has been the beneficiary of some real visionary leadership
with some African people with money who have invested over the last 20 years.
And so they have the Hemporium here, which has all these beautiful
hemp materials. It's in District 6. It was just such a cool, such a cool visit. And I got to climb
all the way up to the, through the scaffolding, to the top of the new building. They were able to put
on another floor on this high-rise hotel in one week from start to finish because of the modularity
of the hemp panels that Afromat have developed. And so it's a really cool way to show people.
And strangely enough, Rick Fox was here, Milan, last week because Cape Town is competing for the 2036 Olympics.
And so there's some opportunities.
Rick was the coordinator of the bioeconomy for the Biden administration
and someone that I worked closely with in developing fit-for-purpose hemp regulation
from before he joined the Biden administration and so he got a tour of the hemp hotel as well and was
just so excited to see you know theory that has been put into practice for a
number of years here and they're really working to scale that so there's
conversations with the government about building low income housing
using hemp because a lot of the township, the poor people slums basically are the settlements,
informal settlements, are the land is totally toxic and contaminated. so hemp offers a huge opportunity to remediate soil.
Certainly South Africa's main industry is mining. If you go look at the history of South Africa,
when the English started pushing the Dutch north, they pushed the Dutch because they wanted Cape
Town as the port on the way to Asia. And so then where they pushed
the Dutch to, they discovered diamonds and gold. So that led to the Boer War, which ironically was
what made Winston Churchill famous as a journalist in the army in the 1880s. But the South African countryside is pockmarked in many places, especially in the north, with mining, coal mining, diamond, gold, platinum.
There's a lot of mining in this country, and there's a lot of contaminated soil.
So the government is very, very interested in the opportunity for using hemp to remediate the soil. So the government is very, very interested in the opportunity for using hemp to
remediate the soil. So it's looking quite promising, and they seem intent on not making the same
mistakes we made in the U.S. by over-regulating, by fixating on compliance testing, by having too low of a level.
They were very receptive to post-harvest testing.
That's some of the big pieces, some of the big reforms that we've proposed for Congress,
should they actually do something other than serve as a bystander for a catfight between two billionaires,
a catfight between two billionaires, is to fix some of the more egregious problems
in the hemp farm bill from 2018, which include raising the THC limit for compliance to 1% which will be about 0.8 delta 9 or so.
We'll pivot to a post-harvest testing system that doesn't prevent farmers from harvesting their crop before they test.
Our fit-for-purpose licensing system divides up the plants because there are so many different kinds of hemp plants and different kinds of
cultivation systems, all of which do not bring the same risk of THC. Therefore, each category
should carry its own weight for compliance testing. And so testing will go away for all
cultivation that is not capturing cannabinoids one way or the other.
Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Hold on. You've just like dropped so much.
This is so exciting just to have you here. First of all, thank you. And everyone,
you guys should definitely share this space because we're in here with the one and only
Josh Schneider, my co-host from Hemp Rising.
Hopefully we'll be starting season two shortly.
But Paul and Stephen both have questions.
Paul, do you still have a question?
Oh, I've got like a hundred.
I know, I have a million too.
Go ahead.
I'll narrow it down to two.
Keep it sort of brief so we can get other people up.
Do I talk too much?
No, not at all.
I love it.
I get it.
I get it.
We got to give it to other people.
I understand.
But I think I have two important questions for Josh.
One is, is anyone monitoring the atmospheric aerosol terpene production of the crops that are being planted at such an enormous scale?
Because if you can quantify the atmospheric aerosol terpene production, then you can assign terpene benefits that will help the crop to
compete in the market. And you can pioneer the value shift from illegal to essential once people
understand the environmental services of terpene production.
The other question is,
is there anybody with whom you've quoted me to
who would like to talk with me face to face?
Because that's what needs to happen.
I mean, I'm gratified that you're sharing my perspectives,
but really I need to share my perspectives in a holistic way
because there's much more to what I have to contribute
than is currently being received.
And so those are the two.
I agree wholeheartedly, Paul,
and I have suggested you for inclusion in next year's hemp programs.
There has been some,
and I think that there's going to be some consulting opportunities as well.
South Africa is favorably disposed towards sustainability.
And so this was very interesting. And the more time I get to spend with various
power players, the more I can...
Well, even just getting me on the phone with one of them would transform the situation because the opportunity that exists now where you are requires that the
myth of cannabinoid toxicity be completely eliminated. That's what's tripping up mankind's evolution is this ridiculous
aversion to cannabinoids when we had our endogenous cannabinoid system
scientifically presented in the late 80s and early 90s.
in the late 80s and early 90s. Master Paul, I think that may, you know, it's kind of Pavlovian.
A lot of people's experience with the noids, it comes along with a host or suite of toxins,
you know, because of the illegality and the coming out of people's basements and the use
of the pesticide, you know, it's almost like serving the non-toxic thing
with a host of toxicity and i do think this has caused a lot of fear you know a lot of people's
bad trips well it's killed a lot of wildlife that's for sure i mean this is the plantations
up in the trinities and up in northern california where people are poisoning wildlife in order to grow pot is just unacceptable.
And if Africa doesn't want to lose its wildlife, they're also at elevated levels of UVB radiation that they're not even aware of and nobody's telling them.
And it's absolutely criminal. The UVB in Africa is extreme.
It just has to be at the forefront of the conversation, you know, and I really appreciate...
To your point, I think the non-toxicity is one of the
primary talking points it's the essential to the brain development for children not the danger to
all of the all of this thing i think you're very much correct it's like the terpenes being a focus
the the endo the endocannabinoids that our body makes being essential for development, not something that
is even close to toxic. It's a really great talking point. I think the fatty acids,
these things that run our hormones. The Edistin and albumin proteins, for God's sakes,
they're unique to cannabis. This all goes back to the endocannabinoid
system though and that you know most even doctors and it's not still not taught in medical school
this is the elephant in the room of humanity's understanding of ourselves and our biology and
our survival right exactly that's why a holistic presentation of the information is required because all systems are connected.
This is really, Paul, and pardon me for jumping in, you know, you've been, you and, you know, Ganja Queen have been presenting this information so steadily.
And it's almost like, and I also have been making a lot of efforts speaking with
nutritionists, speaking directly with doctors, and normal people. It is very difficult to get
through people's preconceived notion, the fear. And so it's almost like presenting the information
in a way that's repeatable, like pictographs, infographic,
like this idea of coming at it from a non-cannabinoid standpoint, from food, from what the body is
doing with its ECS before you're introducing a phyto-derived supplement if production in the
body has been interfered with.
So this is, I think this is really cool.
It's like the trick is how can we package what, like you said, has been researched,
is somewhat scientifically understood.
How do you get that into the psyche of the populace?
And that's, this is, there's somewhat,
you guys are doing great work. And it's, this is, there's somewhat, you guys are doing great work and it's
like, okay, how do we keep packaging and broadcast it? Well, I've boiled it down to sound bites.
I've broken it down to a few words. I know I talk a lot, but that is because behind the sound bites,
is because behind the soundbites, there's a wealth of information. And, you know, one of the huge
frustrations is in being 30 years ahead of your time is that, you know, you see beyond where other
people are. And it's frustrating to be alone in time, years ahead going, you know what? We're wasting time right now. We can't burn this time the way we are because we can't make more. And it's running out at an accelerating rate. feedback loops that are associated with all of these systems that are accelerating the
degeneration to where, you know, I mean, the window of opportunity is closing at an accelerating rate.
You know, Paul, I do, in line with what you said, and I really love what you said, Wolf,
In line with what you said, and I really love what you said, Wolf, about needing new educational tools and ways to convey the message.
and check out what they're doing in spaces and just in their incredible work as, you know,
Web3 builders. There's so much cool tech now coming out. I think it's, it's almost,
it's synchronistic with the need that the hemp industry has right now to really
the need that the hemp industry has right now to really catapult some of this information into,
you know, new mediums, new ways of sharing this in a way that grabs people, gets their attention,
excites them. I just saw at the Texas Hemp Stock, the event we did a couple weeks ago outside of Austin, Texas, LM did an incredible job building out these Web3 basically activations throughout the entire event.
You could look through your phone and you can see.
you, Paul, there's incredible creativity, innovation, and technology coming out now that
is literally the, I believe, like the timing is not just coincidence. This is a real
alignment of what we need right now as a community to get our, get our message across. So definitely,
you know, connect with them. They're, they're doing amazing stuff. There's, there might be some
opportunities for support and collab, but I want to make sure we get to Steven. And I think we had
a couple other people with hands up. I just wanted to say one thing really quickly. Think of environmental services as technology. And then think of what that technology is.
Hemp is tech. Hemp is tech.
It's the most efficient solar panel on the planet. It's the most efficient solar panel on the planet is a cannabis leaf.
most efficient solar panel on the planet is a cannabis leaf.
Mic drop. There we go.
Thank you, Paul. I know there's, there's so much here, you guys, but Stephen,
I want to bring you up and let you ask your question.
Everyone should follow having grown.
Stephen's an incredible resource and just expert natural builder.
You know, you can join us on Sundays at 10 a.m. at Build With Hemp for the Natural Build Guild.
Harry Hemp hosts that with myself.
And Stephen's usually in there every Sunday.
And he's just a wealth of knowledge and information.
And I'm really thrilled to have
you here Stephen. Go ahead. Hey Milan, thank you. Can you hear me? I'm just on the street.
Sorry, yeah, I'm on the street. Well, fantastic conversation. I really like the topics.
I guess, well the same like Paul, we've been growing for many years and particularly it's on
the topic of the land races because
To us land races are the most important thing, you know before all these strains came out
They didn't just appear out of a lab or somewhere. There's people were mixing land races from different varieties from different regions
Granted that most of the land races that people picked are the eight-week flowering, because obviously that's what you can make money off.
But in the tropics, we've been used to growing sativas.
Sativas that grow, once they start flowering, they'll even grow double or triple their size.
So my question to, sorry about the background noise.
My question was really, have you ever heard of Franco Loya and the work that he was one of the founders
of Greenhouse Seeds and Franco was specifically working before he passed away in Congo searching
for all the land races because Africa has many. And granted, Durban Poison is one of
the most known, but Africa is a huge place, you know, so if you take from the north of Africa to
the south of Africa is pretty much the biggest continent on the planet. Nigeria for example
has a beautiful sativa called the Nigerian nightmare. Tanzania has some beautiful strains
the island of reunion has some of like I don't know if you've ever tasted what they call
the Reina Madre and a lot of the growers back then they used to
mix these varieties to to get what they call polyhybrids but after you breed so much with
these polyhybrids if you don't stabilize them again with a land race they will wither away
and now this happened in the Caribbean my family from the Caribbean they're Rasta they're in Ayabingi
the lambsbred collie doesn't actually
come from Jamaica, it comes from St. Vincent. St. Vincent still has the largest Rasta population in
all of the Caribbean. Granted that everybody knows Jamaica from Bob Marley, but the West Indy still
has a lot of these fantastic strains. So it's not something new. I know it's new now because
it's been regulated in certain countries, but this is culture and tradition that has
been with us for generations and generations and generations. Hence, I really believe that
if you want to get those land races going, look up for the things in Tanzania, look up for the island of Reunion, look up for the Samal.
Samal is possibly one of the best strains, one of the highest, most psychedelic, because sativas are very high.
That's also why people don't, they're not such fans of like the pure, pure sativas.
Hence why they call it Nigerian nightmare, because the first 45 minutes you're going up and up
and your heart's beating and you know but I know across that do you know do
you know what flavor is it a carry off a leaner do you know what flavors in
there predominantly
predominantly on which on which strain on the because there's so many in this
so you mentioned that so ma'am they used that was some of some a delic yeah it's
from the island of reunion that to me is one of my favorite strains because it's
very earthy spicy it's not traditional that you find these kind of flavors on a plant plus most people
believe that the production is not big but once again i guess most people know the cannabis of
europe and of california but even the strains that they took to california they took the the
nepalese stuff they took because you'd be surprised California and Pakistan have the same latitude but once you start
going lower we're based in Mexico you know and in the Caribbean is still lower
and that's pretty much equatorial strains we're inside the tropics I don't
know if you've probably heard of Moby Dick Moby Dick is a Oaxacan strain and
we have it isolated if you look at the
greenhouse seeds the lemon skunk that's the Colombian mango beachy and we have
the Punto Rojo in Mexico you have the red sativas the lemon sativas the purple
sativas granted that they're not very potent as you find them in most places but it's the same thing what happened with
lavender you have the English lavender and you have the French lavender now the English
lavender is very resistant to the cold and to the weather but it doesn't produce many
many terpenes and not a lot of oil now the French one is a complete opposite but it doesn't
resist the cold well the Dutch basically grab both, they put them together, and the Dutch variety will
resist the cold and will produce like the French oil.
Cannabis is the same.
It's just we were very lucky for the past many, many years, you know, a lot of Americans
went to many parts, a lot of Europeans, you know.
Unfortunately, a lot of the old school guys have passed,
but they were doing some beautiful genetics, you know.
And there were the basic things, like the white widow, the northern lights,
and these kind of things, but they all come from land races.
So just to conclude the point, in the Caribbean, they tried to take,
just like in Morocco, Jamaica, you know, people arrived and they said, put this, this is the most potent weed that we have or the unique strain or the most, you know, the yada, yada, yada.
for the first two years you can put 10 hectares or even more, but the land races will dominate
and it's not so much, our belief is not so much that the land race dominates, it's just
cannabis finds its expression based on the environment that it has.
I don't know if you've ever tried growing this strain, moving it from one place to another,
and it changes completely.
The terpene changes.
Sometimes you might even have to adapt it.
Some don't adapt so quick, but some do.
And it happens even with chilies, with the peppers.
The famous pepper that the Spanish have, it's a Mexican pepper, but when you grow it in
their soil, as it's colder and it has different minerals, it doesn't grow any capsaicin. So they have a Mexican pepper but when you grow it in their soil as it's colder and it has different minerals it doesn't grow any capsaicin so they have a sweet
pepper and I believe cannabis is exactly the same the more you move it it will
find its expression I love it will either even modify its leaf structure
because some people say that they're the narrow leaves and the broad leaves I've
seen broadleaves turn narrow and narrow turn broad
because we have the advantage in Mexico that we have a lot of height.
So, for example, when Paul talks about UVB, we're at 10,000 feet of height,
but it's not snowing because most parts of the world will be snowing.
But Mexico isn't.
And we actually have cold nights.
That's why Oaxaca michoacan guerrero
sinaloa most of mexico will grow some of the best land races with the best terpene profile
and to us it's it's it's it's medicine so it's grown by nature it's grown by the sun
granted that yes you can grow it through like they call it the prison system they put plants in
prisons and in labs and you have these guys with coats and these things and I understand that
that's how people see medicine but for 10,000 years or more medicine has always been natural
medicine has been grown with the Sun medicine has been grown and I believe Africa has that and now people are discovering Africa. Africa is one of the oldest continents, look up
the Nubians, look up all the culture and tradition that they have and all the
medicine and unfortunately they've suffered a lot of
colonialization, you know everybody went and stripped Africa to pieces and now
they're trying to bring it back so it, I really believe that the power is in the land races.
Like you say, the most potent land races that we've ever worked with are in, basically, in Africa.
They're more potent than the Chinese.
They rival to what we have here in Mexico and Colombia.
But the land here gives us more I guess they turn
more sativas and that's I believe because of the equatorial rate and like
you say the plant finds its way because you grab a European variety or something
and what all these indoor things and you put them out here they die very quick
they flower very quick but the summer look up the summer they even made their variety of Samadelic they call it rain a madre it won many many cups but the Samal look up the Samal they even made their variety of
Samadelic they call it Reina Madre it won many many cups but the original land
race is the Samal and that thing becomes huge from the island of Reunion but
anyways I just wanted to touch base with you on that if you need any assistance
on land races all that stuff we that's what we do because we really believe in the nature of
cannabis and in the strength of nature, not so much the adaptation of these labs and these things.
Can I give you something that will serve you well? I would like to introduce you to the idea that the land-raised strains are the strains that have evolved
in concert with the wildlife and conditions that surround those
participants in the web of life. People have a tendency to look at cannabis from our perspective rather than looking at it as a member of a community of creatures that depend upon each people to do when they think about cannabis is to see it as a partner of other species.
On my X account, I have a short film called Bee Bath that shows a bee rubbing itself down from antenna to stinger in high THC resin. And the role of
cannabinoids in the web of life is something that is affecting the bees, the colony collapse that
Milan referred to earlier, but also the bats, the white nose syndrome in
bats is killing millions upon millions of bats across the continent. And cannabinoids and terpenes
all have antifungal, antibiotic, antimicrobial properties that serve other species as a safe and effective herbal therapeutic and dietary essential.
And that's where we have to really start to understand our responsibility to the other
creatures with whom we share this planet in recognizing the importance of land race strains as representing that the process of evolution that continues, that is still happening.
And in Africa, you know, eliminating the hybrid strains in favor of the land race is an absolute essential, as Josh pointed out.
And it takes more than one person to make that happen.
And so if somebody wants to buy me a plane ticket, I'll go to Africa.
I'll leave my home and my family.
And I will go and try to make that happen because it has to.
go and try to make that happen because it has to. And I just want to finish by pointing out that
in the chat, I posted a photograph is a photograph that demonstrates evolution.
And it shows evolution in a picture with the cannabis leaf. And if anybody knows anyone else
who's ever seen a leaf like this, I would really be interested in finding it out because this comes
from a land race strain that was given to me at the Cannabis
College by Hank Ponson, who founded the Cannabis College. And so I'd be interested to hear your
thoughts on that. Yeah, I completely agree on it. You know, it's the way the plant adapts to its environment.
For example, in Colombia, we've been able to find what we call a hemp land race
because it doesn't produce a lot of cannabinoids, but the stalks become very thick.
So, for example, a traditional hemp field will only produce you like 10 tons
of material, like 20,000 pounds, 30,000 pounds if you're lucky. But with these varieties
and also it's changing the cultivation method because it hasn't been changed. One of the
great things about the psychoactive part is that the advancement in technology, in cultivation methods, aeroponics, hydroponics, aquaponics, living soil, there's so many things that have developed.
But unfortunately hemp, people are still growing hemp like they grew it 100 years ago.
And we believe that that should change, specifically for our case which comes to building.
When it comes to building, we're not looking for the past fiber.
We're looking for secondary lignified fiber.
That makes a stronger aggregate.
And the only way to do that is to let the plant run out to its cycle, to maturity, basically to grow seed.
That's why we see a great opportunity of you grow your food, you provide that food security,
and with the waste, you basically houses but if you're only producing 20,000 pounds
that's only like two houses now if you take that one of these stocks when you
isolate them even just like a standard psychoactive stock instead of being the
flimsy one it grows to be weigh like two three pounds and if you have one per
square foot we normally do by hectare so we have ten thousand square meters so
if in each square meters we grow nine plants that weigh one kilo we have 90
tons of biomass which we are now rivaling sugarcane and other basically
biomass productions because if not hemp is producing eight times less so I know
that there's a lot of I don't want to use a wrong word but there's a lot of hype
behind hemp which is fantastic you know it's it really gets the crowd going but
when you actually put it into application because that's one of my
only few things you know if it's such a great thing and it's, you know, it's going to change the world
and all this since so many years ago, why isn't it being applied so much? And I believe, yes,
regulations have a factor in it, but I believe that we still haven't really gotten that
industrial application for it to actually make economic sense. And that's why we're doing a lot of tests over here in Mexico, because the same thing,
it might make economic sense in the U.S.
But here in Latin America, we have other fibers.
We have sugar cane, we have coconut, we have agave, and they're all lignocellulosic fibers.
And anything that you can do with hemp, you can do with these fibers.
Except make these batteries.
It's just that. And batteries. Man, you get around and having their own. No, you can do with these fibers. Except make these batteries.
Man, you get around to have it in your own.
No, we make batteries.
With all due respect, man, we make advanced carbons.
Graphene is a type of carbon.
It's a 2D structure of what would be a diamond.
And we make them out of coconut.
You can make them out of hemp.
You can make them out of coconut, you can make them out of hemp, you can make them out of any carbon.
One of the best applications that I like is to make them out of cigarette butts, because what you're looking for is the structure.
So certain plants already provide that structure.
Now when you carbonize them, then you take away the hemicellulose and certain things that you really are looking for.
the hemicellulose and certain things that you really are looking for basically that
hemp has that unique hexagonal structure but it's not
Oh no no no no no no no no no no I'm not talking about eating cigarettes
I'm talking specifically about making batteries out of
I'm just pointing out the holistic argument in favor of hemp. That's all.
Oh no, we don't fight one over the other.
We use what we have local.
So if you have hemp, use hemp.
If you have coconut, use coconut.
But it's not specific that only hemp makes batteries or only hemp makes houses or only
hemp makes turkeys.
No, but it's the only thing that does so many other things besides that.
It's the only thing that serves a specific purpose within a functional ecosystem in some cases.
But I don't disagree with you, brother.
I understand what you're saying. And I agree with you totally. You use what you have, but you also can have hemp if you recognize why it has an advantage over coconuts and it has an advantage over these other things that can be, you know, can be chosen and grown in rotation with it.
Well, and I think, Paul, the other piece of hemp is that hemp offers, and I mean, I am a big fan
of agave. As Milan will tell you, I had 600 varieties in my collection of agave, predominantly
from Mexico, and have been obsessed with coconuts for a number of years.
But hemp offers us the ability to scale industrial sustainability in a way that is not
possible from other crops in modern agricultural systems, where you can get the amount of biomass you can get per
hectare from hemp.
And our model here in Africa is quite inefficient, but having worked for 20 years in Africa,
the hardest thing for me to learn is that inefficiency is a feature, not a bug. Because less efficiency, what, for instance,
one of the guys that I work with in Zambia said to me is,
look, we don't have any equipment and we don't have any money,
but what we do have is land and people.
And so we can use, we can provide meaningful employment for people in a way that helps them participate in the economy and grow something that can help feed them and help send their kids to school and buy clothes and medicines and housing and electricity.
Zambia has 22 hours of no electricity most days.
It's a complete nightmare
and that's in the capital city so imagine what it's like out in the countryside so there's there
what hemp offers is the ability to rectify some of the environmental wrongs and to efficiently
use that biomass for things like biofuels which I have deep suspicion personally of
because they're they're politically driven and as soon as the price becomes
politically unsustainable the politicians will throw them over and if a
whole bunch of people are earning their living growing those things then they're
kicked to the curb and so is their livelihood but we have to start
somewhere and hemp offers an extraordinarily versatile option.
The stocks get really close to being a timber product, too.
It's really close to being lumber, just in its design, not having to burn it or shred
it, maybe compress it.
The timber aspect to building of what's the thing this is this is pretty cool the the
tensillary strength all of these things are it's it's really close to being a product that could
replace the fur harvests that's happening and i do have a question for the group um since everyone's talking about uh how how basically how does the how to how legally does the every man
get in touch with a couple of bushels of seed of good terpy cbd genetic like that's i think that's
maybe like where the rubber hits the road with like yes you could do projects with states and
countries what's the like every person maybe in America?
How do they are they?
Is there a is there a is there a clearinghouse for genetics?
What does that cost somebody per seed?
Like, is there is there a place that people go to find access to the legal?
I think they're selling seed in Montana, but I forget the name of the outfit up there in Montana, but they're producing hemp seed and hemp products at a larger scale than anyone I'm aware of in the United States.
I think they're selling they're selling seed in Montana.
I'll try to.
Yeah, Josh, I'm curious to hear.
Yeah, go ahead.
The seed, there's lots of people breeding seed, but the problem with the hemp market, one of the many problems,
is the fact that the U.S. is such a climatically diverse country that just because something does well in one place doesn't mean it will do well in another. And so there are lots of companies out there,
New West Genetics, Beacon Hemp,
and others that are selling CBD varieties
that are quite good.
The problem is that no one's growing CBD anymore
because the extraction labs,
95% of all of the THC in consumable products available in America today is made from synthetic THC converted from CBD.
So the only real market for hemp today is for it to be converted into THC.
Fiber and grain is coming on strong.
People like Ken Myers in South Dakota are doing some amazing stuff. Bear Fiber, Fiber X, there's a lot of fiber and grain work going on, but those
markets are constrained substantially by the regulatory risk of A, you grow fiber and grain only in large-scale cultivation schemes.
So more than a few hundred hectares or a few hundred acres.
It's hard for me to switch back to imperial from metric, having been nearly a year thinking in hectares.
But fiber and grain require large-scale production. They require high
cost equipment and big financial commitments if you're going to get into it. The current
regulatory structure requires pre-harvest compliance testing that can force you into
a position of having to destroy everything that you have grown and invested in
without actually getting any value out of it. And in fact, only being forced
into spending more money to till it under or chop it up. So our current regulatory framework was
developed for CBD exclusively. And that is why I spent four challenged years of my life working on developing
a policy, which is, you can see it, the National Industrial Hemp Council of America's website,
where I don't have anything to gain. I'm not in the bag for CBD or fiber or grain
or microgreens. But what I wanted was a sensible regulatory structure
that de-risked the large-scale cultivation of hemp.
And so if you've spent $3 million on a piece of equipment to farm hemp
and $5 million planting 1,000 acres,
and some idiot regulator comes in from the state and says, oh, sorry, you're at 0.31 THC on one of the
random males that has come into flower early. And this is completely irrelevant to the final
form product. And yet I know farmers in Maryland that had to destroy 250 acres of grain because
it tested a few males that the regulators sought out
because they were the easiest ones to get to. Same thing in a fiber field. About 400 acres of
fiber was destroyed. I forget whether it was Pennsylvania, it might have been North Carolina,
because of a stupid compliance test. So we have to, and for all the talk of, oh, the regulations don't matter,
that's horseshit. I have seen hundreds of farmers' lives destroyed because of incompetent
application of stupid, poorly thought through state regulations where we try and regulate hemp like it's cannabis. And we assume that 0.31% THC is the same thing as 20% THC.
That's the current regulatory model.
And it's completely wrongheaded.
And so just like in Africa, you have to de-risk a project.
When someone is putting up their life savings and you are just some rando who's like, oh, this is a great idea and there's going to be a huge market.
And then when the harvest comes, you vaporize. You've done nothing but abuse the trust of people.
And that's what the hemp industry has done. Hemp has bankrupted more people in America than any other agricultural crop in the last 50 years. And it is almost exclusively
the fault of the incompetent regulatory structure. And the only reason it survived,
weirdly enough, is because of the pandemic. Because the bureaucrats wouldn't come out to
busybody their way through the fields trying to find one little extra speck of THC as a reason to destroy the whole field.
And so our new regulatory model changes what you have to do and basically creates a different process for fiber and grain to be governed by because they do not have a risk of THC.
But at the same time, grain farmers can generate far more value in cannabinoids as a byproduct
of a grain field than an entire field of the same acreage exclusively planted with high
same acreage exclusively planted with high THC plants. You could get more THC off of one hectare
THC plants.
or one acre of CBD hemp that has, say, 1% THC than you could get off of an acre of high THC
that's 25% simply because the planting density is considerably different. So grain hemp is grown
just like a grain at about a half a million plants per acre. Fiber hemp is grown at more than a
million plants an acre because the point of fiber hemp is to crowd the plants. You want one plant every inch.
And there's, what, 44,625 square feet per acre.
So you want to cram those plants in there for fiber.
And typically fiber is harvested before it even flowers.
So if there is a flowering plant in a field of fiber,
that's what the regulators are by law supposed to test. So they go out into this fiber field
looking for the one plant that has flowers on it, which is typically a male, and with most of the fiber grown in the U.S., it's Chinese land race.
Almost all of it runs one to four percent THC.
So the only reason it's compliant is because you harvest it before it flowers.
But if there is anything flowering in there, those busybody regulators get out there and harvest that.
And they go, the whole field is noncompliant.
Destroy it all.
And so that has happened over and over and over again in the U.S.
Josh, it's our fault.
It's our fault because we have not, as the contemporary cannabis culture, challenged the myth of cannabinoid toxicity.
There's absolutely no reason to monitor cannabinoids. It's a complete
waste of... I agree, Paul, but it's about what I can sell to Congress.
But no, no, no. We have to exercise demand for an end to the myth of cannabinoid toxicity. The endocannabinoid system was discovered in the
90s. So why are we continuing to go along? We concede too much. You see, this is why I started
my career as a cannabis scholar by planting pot publicly and challenging the rightful jurisdiction
of the court. We need to regulate cannabis like it's a strategic resource. That's where we need
to go. We can't be entangled in regulation and bureaucracy because that's not a good enough excuse not to carry this
forward. What do you think about the THCA? Sorry to interrupt, but personally, I believe that the
US did one of the best things that the best regulation for cannabis falls under the THCA
hemp law to me. I know a lot of people are very against it.
No, it's not that it's against it.
It's completely and utterly illegal.
But hold on, hold on, hold on.
Let me finish my point.
Technically, it's not illegal because...
Hold on, just let me finish my point.
I wrote the law.
I know what it says.
All right, give me 30 seconds and then you can continue.
It's just a point.
THCA is what exists on the flower.
THC does not exist on the flower.
It only exists until you decarve it.
So California went and said, as a marketing thing,
started saying I have 30, percent blah blah blah on their
flour which is not true that only happens until you decarb it if you grab
the product a flour and you test it it's got THCA now by law by science to me
that's very precise because it's it's describing what the plant has granted it
threw a curveball into the system,
but what you get from the plant is THCA.
If it's got THC, it means somebody didn't cure it right,
they dried it to the sun, they put it in a plastic bag,
and then you probably won't only just find THC,
you'll probably find CBN from the oxidized THC and all these things.
So what I agree with what Paul says, that I think we've lacked or we've slacked
in the sense of saying this is what the plant has
because some people were marketing from it.
But I really believe that right now what is done,
that's why it's really hit the government
and they're trying to ban everything
because I don't know if you had been to Texas,
but Texas is one of the most states that have put you in jail.
But for the past two years, they have wellness centers, and you can find some of the nicest flour,
which has actually helped a lot of the farmers because all the new regulation, it kicked them out.
It just put all these, basically all the guys that have the money.
But the people who have been protecting the plant and doing all that,
it knocked them out of business.
And this just put them back into business.
So I really believe that THCA is the gold ticket because it takes away all the regulation,
all that extra thing that you have to have.
And you don't need to, you can go into a store
that you don't have to have a special ATM.
They're LLCs.
They pay tax.
They have no issues with the government because it falls all under the health law, under the hemp law.
You don't even need to have a security guard at the entrance.
So my thing is, it's like, well, as a cannabis user, especially in Texas,
it was a blessing to be able to find medicine and such good medicine all
over with such little issues and it's mainly because of a regulation so like I
say I put it out there this is just my personal belief I know it hit it hits a
sour topic on something I like that point though it's illegal I mean it's
illegal and I don't I don't like people saying it's really important it's illegal I mean it's illegal and I don't I don't like people
saying it's legal when it is clearly illegal it is not a solution illegality is not a solution
changing the laws is the solution the hemp law says it cannot have greater than 0.3% delta 9 THC tested under post decarboxylation.
You must decarve it for the test to be legal.
There is no way around that.
And just because, and this is what I hate about the regulatory structure that is currently
governing hemp, because it is an intuitive regulatory structure from is currently governing hemp because it is an intuited regulatory structure
from the compliance test in the Farm Bill. Hemp is not considered under law a lawful ingredient
for human consumption at all. Having grown, please mute your mic. Thank you. Because Congress will not force the FDA to regulate it as a medicine or as a dietary supplement,
and the FDA has just washed their hands cynically saying CBD stands for collect better data,
when the only toxicology data we have on CBD was based on the FDA forcing Epidiolex to quadruple
the CBD doses for toxicity testing because they did not want any THC at all in the mix
when Epidiolex said it's far more effective with a small amount of THC.
So the FDA is not for fixing this problem.
The federal government has basically looked the other way on high THC cannabis sometimes,
and I went to jail at a legal grow when they decided not to look the other way.
And so the non-enforcement of the law does not make something legal, and it is unfair for us to be satisfied.
This is where I'll absolutely agree with Paul on this.
We cannot be satisfied with the government looking the other way because eventually they will stop.
And they can come and get you later for something that you did that was illegal.
And this is a real problem.
Can I just say one thing?
Just one thing.
The way around this situation is to challenge the toxicity myth,
challenge the rightful jurisdiction,
because drugs don't make seeds,
and to exercise essential civilian demand
for a strategic resource.
It doesn't matter if THC is dangerous or not. The benefits of the plant far outweigh
any perceived or imagined threat from cannabinoids. And so I agree. I know you do. But the thing is,
the way we have somebody else is going to have to fund the challenge, though, because I'm not going back to jail.
Well, it's not a matter of.
No, this is all.
But it is.
I mean, this is where essential civilian.
I know.
Essential civilian demand is a legitimate federal protocol.
It's not about going to jail.
Yeah. Well, I hope not. But I mean, this is why we have to find a path forward that actually
engages and writes the system so that people have the freedom. And this is what I love about and
why I threw in with the dietary supplements industry in terms of and i'm a
regulatory nerd as milan will tell you i did very little except work on cannabis policy for the last
four years and garden um and we have to write this in order for anybody to want to come into the industry because, you know, pioneers, as we all know,
die at an extraordinarily high rate. And so it's very difficult to get everybody to be a pioneer.
Well, I've been a pioneer for 34 years and I've never been to jail and I've planted cannabis
publicly twice. And so I think I'm on the right track. You must be, Paul, because I had a
legal grow and still went to jail. Yeah, but see, I had an illegal grow that I grew openly and is on
film. You can see it at Cannabis vs. Climate Change. And I challenge the law successfully
in tax court.
I'm a convicted tax protester because I wouldn't give money to a government that puts people in jail for growing their own medicine because that's fundamentally immoral and I won't support it.
But the thing is, one person can make a difference, but one person can't make a difference by themselves.
I'm curious, Josh, have you founded your individual
cannabis ministry yet? Are you a registered cannabis? No, no, this is what the California
cannabis ministry is all about. It's teaching other people that the direct connection with
the great, you name it, the creator, whatever it is, that has legal purchase. And it also
allows you to develop brotherhood with other spiritual entities and people who choose a group church for their orientation to spirit. But there are
many people who have an individual direct relationship with God. And that is something that I encourage people to develop in their arsenal of legal defenses
to discover your own sincere, individual, spiritual connection to God through cannabis,
whether it's dietary or whether you smoke it or whether you use it to build your house, it's all spiritual.
So somewhat the original question of where does the everyman go, pioneer, very much seemed like a saintly man
and was a big proponent of his Harlequin and type three ganja as healing medicine.
He did a lot of work. He had a gentle transition as possible.
But Wade laughter brought a lot of comfort and joy to a lot of people, including his own family.
And just shout out Wade. He's closer to us than he's ever been. Yeah, please.
Oh, absolutely. Well, I remember he was one of our guests back in the clubhouse days.
guests back in the clubhouse days. What a, I didn't, I don't think I heard that news.
Well, rest in pot. And yes, these great saints are, are looking down and hopefully going to be,
I believe, opening doors for us and helping us from the other side. And that's really what we
need right now. I want to say, you guys, I really do love the debate. And I think it's a little refreshing to hear some, you know, not always exact agree on, um, the, the solution and beauty that this, this plant really offers
humanity right now. Um, I want to point out though, the religious, the religious approach
is definitely something that I was taught later on in my journey about by Michael M. Rest in Peace, who started the
Perneter Comet with Jack Herrer. They, you know, formalized a religious cannabis
basically structure for people. And there are precedents under the Supreme Court for protection of religious sacrament. The Church of Ayahuasca
won a case back in the late 90s, I think. And the federal judge said, don't you ever take
sacrament from anybody. Really laid on hard to the prosecutors for this case. So, and we see, I know Haven Earth Village in
Tennessee, they have a beautiful video. I would encourage you guys to watch if you are interested
in learning more about different business entities to create your community or your business under.
your community or your business under. Haven Earth Village in Tennessee has used a religious
501c3. I don't know. I have to just see. There's something after it. So forgive me for not knowing
the exact business entity title, but you can check them out. I'm going to share the link from YouTube that they did with, um, their, uh, business manager. And they kind of explain what some of the benefits
are of actually creating an, uh, religious, uh, based nonprofit entity. Um, and again,
this might work for smaller communities or homesteaders or those of you who aren't,
aren't necessarily looking to be the next, you know supplier of da da da but you just want to create your own sustainable
community that's a beautiful model that they are successfully using and you know gets rid of their
a lot of the the regulatory um bullshit that you'd have to go through as a regular business. And if you'd like to join with Hash Church, which happens every Sunday, 9 a.m. Western Standard Pacific Time on YouTube,
Hash Church this Sunday, I think we'll be celebrating Wade Lafter. And he was a pretty
regular. If you want to tap in with him, you could review some of
the old Hash Church, and it very much is an undefined gathering that is a religious or
weekly activity for a long time, very educational. So Hash Church on YouTube this Sunday celebrating Wade laughter and all the healing and joy and his passion and speaking
to the spirits or the terpenes of the plant and this interaction.
Very important.
Ganja of God's Garden.
So let's go.
Well, I've just posted the link to the Universal Life Church ordination page where in 15 minutes you can found your own legitimate ministry and become an ordained minister.
And that's what I did in 2007 when my son was born. I founded the California Cannabis Ministry in Mount Shasta, which is one of the power points of the world where my son was born on Thomas Jefferson's birthday, which also happens to be Butch Cassidy's birthday, in case people aren't aware of that.
Butch Cassidy's birthday, in case people aren't aware of that.
But I did want to mention quickly that on Sunday, its dimensions and its relevance to what's happening today. Forces that control us are not at the surface.
Truly, the subsurface influence on America and our prosperity or our poverty come from outside this country. And the irrational social prejudice that obstructs the scale of the cannabis
industry globally is the motivation for what creates most of the problems, including the economic disparity that plagues human social
evolution. And so I would encourage people to consider the spiritual development rather than
the religious aspects, because religion has a lot of baggage, whereas spirituality is where you find your
freedom. And with that, I will yield the microphone and land my plane.
A quick comment, Milan. The other relevant supplier that I think could be interesting to people looking for
CBD seeds is Davis Farms. Jeremy Kolecki has built his breeding programs in the Pacific Northwest
using American feral hemp, which is a series of land race-ish varieties.
And so I think that's another good opportunity
for interesting terpene profiles.
I ran some trials on his breeding a few years ago,
and it's quite nice.
So that would be a great option.
It was nice to visit with you all.
It is getting quite late here.
I know, it's time for Ben to do it. I know.
It was so great to hear your voice, Josh.
I hope we'll be hearing you more.
I hope you'll be seeing me.
No, you got a lot of people in here today.
And I think you, I know you always just add such great depths of, you know, insight to any conversation around cannabis and hemp.
You've got such great experience in different arenas that most of us, you know, in the hemp community and industry don't really quite get to get to work in, you know, the, the being involved at the,
you know, federal level and, you know, all the different organizations and, you know, people
that you've got, you know, that they've got you lucky, lucky them, they've got you to, to be
helping them with, you know, disseminate a lot of this because, and I'd love to have you back just to talk a little more about the farm bill. There's been some murmurings about things that I'm curious to hear, you know, kind of where it's, you know, where it's potentially going and what we should perhaps be preparing for. But
in the meantime, there's good stuff happening, but I, but also bad stuff, as is usually the
case when Congress is in session. So for sure, I'll, I think I'm here for another two weeks,
and then I'll be back in California for a couple of weeks and then an Illinois visiting family and then back here.
And we actually, we had Henny Ludic was on.
He's a contact that you gave me
and I reached out to him
and he and his family are going to be joining our hemp group
and growing some hemp for us.
So yeah, it's super exciting how it's all coming together.
Oh, it's so great.
The plant pulls me back continually.
So thank you all for participating and for offering your thoughts and opinions.
And hopefully my fervency doesn't get the worst of your opinion of me.
But I really have been fortunate to be able to get to do a lot of things.
And I guess I know enough to be dangerous. Could I ask you one last question before you leave just
for my mind? Because it really goes back to the THCA, that you say that
it's illegal. Now my thing is if it's THCA and it's not THC, it's a
compound, it's a different compound,
let's call it this way, and in order to get it tested, you have to subdue it to a process,
a heat process or any process, and that decarbs it so then based on that you test it, and
that is considered, basically if it doesn't get to the point three, it's considered not
viable or illegal why is that a measuring point and not
the fact that you can change cbd if cbd you submit to another process you could like you mentioned
you can produce more d9 of cbd than actually getting it off the flower and that is legal
it doesn't you're exactly right it doesn't make sense as a chemistry point
of view as a chemical point of view and how how it should be defined because it's chemistry it's not
it's what it is so that's my only doubt why i i think that you're thought on, but here's what I'll say. And I should be clearer with what I'm saying.
THCA flower is illegal because if it is lawfully cultivated under a hemp license,
it is required to be subjected to a post-decarboxylation testing method.
Now, that to me is quite clear legally, despite what Mr. Kite would say, the lawyer that has popularized the THCA's legal piece.
However, I think there is a colorable legal argument that THCA in any form that is not flour is legal.
Correct.
Because like you said.
But that makes shorter legal that makes that makes some of the
most potent extracts because they have to be crystal form and in order to be crystal form
they got to be pure thca so it makes literally always the way around you know it makes shatter
legal but so you can get as high as you want from extracts but no God forbid God forbid you use it from the plant that's why I mean that
the way that the law is approaching the chemistry it's nonsense and I would say
nonsense then what the law is an ass correct but you have to remember how the
law is written it's correct by people who do not pay any attention to what it says, nobody reads the legislation, they put out hemp in the dark of night, and so the
regulations are stupid, and there's no reason for it. I believe that when they
make these mistakes and they leave such a wide open because what's not illegal
or what's not defined as not legal
is legal. And they do not have to define it as legal. They just have to define what you cannot
do. And that's the whole point of our having our human, well, in the States you don't have human
rights, you have civil rights, which is another point. Getting to that, if you want to really
protect it, wherever you're in a country that celebrates human rights, cannabis is your human right. We have to fight with the Supreme Court, but now since
2018, Mexicans who want to go to get their documentation, because it's not really a permit,
it's just a paper that supports your human rights for the freedom of your desarrollo, like your development of your
inner person.
It's kind of like that sacrament that you don't have to go specifically to anybody for
sacrament, but in the States it's not applicable because the States does not subject to human
rights.
And when people ask me what's the difference of a human right to a civil right? Guantanamo Bay.
Because the US can grab you at any moment and throw you to Cuba and nobody can do anything about it.
As we've seen.
Exactly.
Well, this is why challenging rightful jurisdiction is so important.
I've never conceded rightful jurisdiction and so none of the laws apply to me.
Correct. I believe this.
That's why the distinction between an herb and a drug is so key.
Drugs don't make seeds. Herbs make seeds.
And that legal point has never been argued, ever.
Ever.
Doesn't that seem strange to anyone else
there's a lot of things
crazy every day
I know, I know
and that's why, like you say
we have to take a stance
and this is part of being that stance
because we need to find a way
that we can approach and say
okay, how can a plant be illegal
you know, and how can
essential civilian demand brother, it's the
only way it's the most time efficient federal protocol, but we all have to say the same thing
at the same time. That's, you know, I mean, I'm sorry for repeating myself, but it comes back to
challenging the jurisdiction and taking a spiritual approach
to agriculture because farming is a spiritual practice. That's what Thanksgiving for the
harvest is all about. And yet we disrespect nature casually by failing to recognize the
true value of the world's most valuable agricultural resource
and the most sacred connection to spirit and so we're lost unless we do all of those things
but we all have to do them all at the same time a hundred percent i agree and i don't live in the
state so it's really not like my jurisdiction or like we have we've done our work here in Mexico we now have I tell you we're I think the only country in the world that cannabis is recognized
as our human right so we can grow as much as we want we can transport as much as we want
we can basically as long as you don't affect a third party which means if smoking in front of
a child or being in front of somebody where it bothers them,
it's your human right, and you can do it as you please.
And based on that human right, we extend it to that's how you grow your home,
and that's how you grow your clothes, and that's how you grow your food,
that's how you grow your batteries and your water systems and these things.
And in the meantime, because we don't...
Growing hemp also means clearing land, and that's why I say use
what you have local coconuts they're from Africa so if you really want to
find anywhere with coconuts you got them in Africa sugar cane sugar cane is the
most abundant biomass on the planet Brazil currently grows 50 min finding
500 million tons of it the US grows 50 million tons of mean 500 million tons of it. The U.S. grows 50 million tons of it.
You know how much hemp you need to grow
by the time you get 50 million tons every year?
India grows 100, Mexico grows like 80,
Thailand grows another 60, Colombia grows,
and South Africa, I just checked the data,
they grow 20 million tons of it every year
so yeah it's the how many bio it's one of the most toxic agricultural crops you
can grow it utterly destroys the soil and the amount of chemicals that are
poured onto it get right up there with cotton. So it is not a sustainable crop the way it's grown.
Are we talking about sugar?
Yes.
Sugar cane, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, and not to mention the air pollution from the burning of the fields.
I mean, I lived on Maui and I photographed the clouds of toxic smoke
drifting into the marine mammal protected area off of kihei
correct and now if you build with it all the more reason right steven if you build you don't have to
burn it um there's a lot of sustainable practices towards it you'd be surprised louisiana has
louisiana grows pretty much all the sugar cane in the US and they have the most regenerative agriculture practice that you can imagine on sugar cane.
And once again, it's already being done.
How many biofuels refineries are operating at a regional scale?
Go to Brazil. They run everything off ethanol.
Even Texas. Texas has that e 93 fuel or whatever you go to any
HEV and it's cheaper than any fuel that you want because it's based off ethanol
But the rest of the world
We're like Africa. We don't have if I had five million dollars for a decor educator
I would first put a clinic a school other things other things. So we have, as engineers, we have to think of, because like you say, we have land, we have people, but we don't have money.
So how are we going to make hemp work?
And that's why we don't decor.
A biodigester can be made by locally sourced.
Correct.
Correct.
And we do artisanal sea sinks because there's a lot of carbon credits that are specifically for the third world.
You cannot use heavy technology. They're called artisanal sea sinks.
And they'll pay you up to 100K per year if you grab enough of it, but you have to put it back into the soil.
So there's many, many ways, but we have to approach them in a different...
Because we don't have the money. We don't have these investments of...
I know it sounds good and it sounds big and it's like, ah, but it's like, well, if we
had that, we'd first be feeding the kids, you know, making sure we have clean water
and all these things.
That's why I really believe that we have to use because our issue is not growing hemp.
Our issue is we need houses.
We need food.
We need clothes.
If hemp can do it, great.
But if hemp's not there...
I know it can, but it's not there.
So what am I gonna do until it's there?
You know, I might starve before...
No, it could be there in six months.
It's not in Mexico.
We've been growing hemp here, we have paperwork,
but we live in a place where it's full of
cartel and it's full of army and it's full of guerrillas and I'm sure Africa has the
same problems, you know?
So it's how are you going to get that product into there if the moment you go into there,
the first thing they're going to do is pick you up because they think that you're growing
cannabis.
So that's another fight.
You know, it's like maybe people over there are afraid of going to jail.
But here we don't want to be picked up by the cartel.
The jail and the police are the least of our issues, you know.
Of course.
So it's how are we going to really put this into the market?
And that's why I say the same things that you can do with hemp, you can do withasse and you can do with coconut and you can do with others why not invest into them learn how
to transform them because it's the same biomass and then once you have the hemp and you can be
regenerative and you can do all the be a hundred percent then but at least this way we're starting
towards something because otherwise if we just wait we don't have the time we don't have that
luxury you know so that's why none of us they're they're all the same path and that's what i love
about what steven does and you know how he's approaching a lot of the the real life challenges that we're really starting to see many communities around the
world face. And, you know, there's a kind of a spirit, you know, Wolf mentioned earlier,
and I love that whole conversation about terpenes and, you know, the, the ethereal and how that all comes into play. But,
you know, in that, in that spirit that we know there is, there is a spirit that this plant holds
that, you know, really just really comes out and shows once you start growing it, you know, and,
and thinking about it more as a community, as a, you know,
a local economy or a resource, you start to see why this plant is, is so warred against. And so,
you know, such a threat to power. But don't despise the, is that saying small beginnings you know and that's really where
we have to start seeing our power in numbers that together we are many and together we are mighty
and the things that just small communities are now having major impact. And sometimes it's just starting with the faith of, you know, getting to your goal and watching, you know, watching that magic take place.
And I'm seeing it happen.
I know you're down there doing a lot of cool new innovative building techniques and whatnot,
like you mentioned with the Begoss. And in that line, I would love to hear anyone else's
perspectives or maybe what you're doing locally or in a smaller community-based model.
Because to honor that, you know, I look at up in the nest. I have a video from South Africa
and I wanted it before, I know Josh, you're probably, you got to go soon, but I wanted to ask if you could flip what, um, what are local farmers producing and, and what are the technologies
that they have available there? Uh, I'm, I'm curious how they're spinning. So is this like
happening by hand in the field? I, I, um, this is what really inspires me because this is how
this group of farmers is going to grow by just starting, you know, showing what they can do right now with what they have.
And once that word gets out, I really believe this is, you know, just the power of this plant and, and understanding that there is a spiritual aspect
that, um, really does magically open doors. And I would challenge anyone, um, you know,
take that first little hemp seed size faith and, and watch it grow. But, uh, Josh,
is that the video, is that the video that I sent you?
Yes. Is that OK that I shared it?
Yeah. Yeah. No, that's that is from. Let's see.
University of Johannesburg has a project where they're doing a lot of really cool stuff with hand hand work in combing and spinning. And because, of course, there's lots of traditional weavers and fabric makers here. And so trying to figure out ways, obviously, as we know, hemp,
hemp fabric is not, um, on at an industrial scale, a simple process, but they have really
done amazing work at making it much more accessible and adapting traditional models of at the local
level to give farmers the ability to do value addition in their own communities rather than
just everything just can't be for export and I'm really just opposed to that model because it's
just not that different than the colonial model. It's extractive.
And so we have to build and maintain as much of the value as we can within the communities.
So they've made some real progress on that front and have developed multiple grades of
fabric. I'll see if I can't round up who's running that project and get them as a guest for you.
and get them as a guest for you. Oh, that would be awesome. I wanted to introduce you
to Leandra too, and I'll definitely connect you, Leandra, with Josh. He would be,
you guys would really kick it off. And Leandra is the vice president of the Virginia Hemp Coalition. And we've got some, I think, some exciting things happening already in Virginia.
Scott McStacey was so lovely to meet him this past weekend at Hemp Stock and hear about everything he's doing.
He's starting a hemp microgreen production facility there.
And I love seeing it utilized for food. I think this is one
of the most important things to push right now because of, you know, national security. What's,
you know, that we have how many harvests left in our soil now. We have bee colony collapse. We have insect biomass dropping to scary numbers. I mean, all this is going to affect food supply people like you're you're dreaming if you think like this current the grocery stores and food what's available today is going to like we're going to be looking back on this time, like, wow, that was, you know,
that was a magical time. We had all that food because it is, it is not looking good. I hate
to be the bearer of the bad news, but the good news is we have a gentle, graceful transition
into the most abounding, beautiful, plentiful economy that we could ever dream of if we utilize this
plant correctly, you know, and that's what I'm trying to learn more and more every day and
figure out how, you know, how can we support the, you know, supply chain here in the U.S.?
How can we grow this industry? How can we plan for future survival and thriving?
I don't want to just survive. I want to thrive.
And this is the only planet that I see we can, we can do that with.
But you know, Josh, the, what they're doing,
I don't know if you guys check that video out. I mean, they've got paper,
they've got that fiber. My gosh, it looks like
beautiful hair. I can't, I can't believe how, how just long and luscious it came out. And it's so
white. So it's so clean. Um, and that's not any, that wasn't processed, right, Josh?
I mean, it's all processed at the local level.
Right, but there's, like, no chemical, like, they're not, this is all natural, organic.
I think it's, yes, all natural, yes.
Free range.
So this is incredible.
I would love to see more of this.
And like I said, there's some really exciting news I'm going to be bringing out hopefully next week that I think is really going to be a great resource and support tool
for many of you who are in the hemp industry or an entrepreneur in the hemp industry,
or an entrepreneur in the hemp industry trying to, thinking about starting a hemp business
or farm, you know, we've got some really exciting developments happening.
So I really just want to say thank you to everyone for being here.
Again, if anyone has questions, feel free.
I know Josh has to jet.
But, oh, Leandra came up.
So I'd love, Leandra, real quick, introduce yourself, and everyone should follow Leandra.
Hey, thanks so much, Milan.
Wow, I don't know how to top really all that awesome information.
I mean, I'm just literally trying to process everything, and I'm so glad it's recorded.
So thank you for that.
Yeah, so the Virginia HEM Coalition is really glad it's recorded. So thank you for that. Yeah, so the Virginia Hem
Coalition is really, it's a grassroots effort, right? We really started off, and before I even
jump aboard, Jason Amitucci, the founder and president, had kicked it off back in 2012,
but it was interesting to find that we were doing things kind of in sync or in parallel,
because as I reached out to him, I was out to legislators trying to figure out how I could
farm hemp in Virginia because I had land here and you know my father and I wanted to dip into that
but found out was illegal so fast forward with all the hands-on learning and experience and advocating and lobbying and reading and looking
at bills. And my gosh, yeah, I saved that to you pros like you, Josh, to get into that, right?
That's a lot. But, you know, just the golden nuggets and those key points to address to
legislators have been very, very helpful. And I feel like, yeah,
we just got to keep doing what we're doing. You know, it is going to take that big push,
empower the people, if you will, empower numbers. And then also, I feel like getting on that,
on the different platforms, whether it's like for on legislative platforms or large corporate, you know, folks that are in ag space
or farmers or what have you. So yeah, that's just been my long kind of ongoing thing. Right now,
we're celebrating Virginia Hemp Month as well as Hemp History Month. And so we're just kind of doing that in combination
so that we could highlight some of our past
and then our present members
and then touch on history,
so some fun facts.
And we've gotten some good response.
We've also gotten some of the not so good responses.
That's okay.
I feel like you all do as far as,
you know, how do I put it? These, not arguments, but those opportunities
to challenge, you know, everyone in this space. I think that just provokes more learning and
opportunity to maybe even change people's minds. So I really appreciate everything that everyone
is doing. I mean, it is really incredible. I feel like even
if it's just a handful of us, you know, doing things here and there, again, still so helpful.
And, you know, the things I like to do too is educate the best I can, even though it gets out
of my comfort zone. So even right now as I'm doing the civic league of all the things, right. But starting a community garden, but then opening that conversation up to industrial hemp, as I feel like Virginia is one of the forefathers, you know, um, we've really, yeah. Right. Like we, there's so much rich history, um, in Virginia, not to take away from everywhere else, obviously, but, uh, some of the things I do highlight on is the ancient,
you know, history, is, yeah, history from around the world, different countries like Africa and
Asia and Romania and Australia and Canada, all those things, because, you know, people need to
be, how do I put it, like, they need to be able to relate. I feel like if you get something in,
something in front of them that's relatable,
I think it's very impactful. But anyhow, those are just some things, but thank you, Milan, for the, for the, you know, opportunity to talk on that. Oh, I'd love to have you back on any Friday you
want that week. We, let's, let's do a whole deep dive into Virginia hemp history because there's so much there.
And I love exploring that further.
And then, you know, I'd like to hear more about what's going on there.
Can I ask a question of Leandra?
Yeah, absolutely.
Of course.
Are you involved with the National Grange in your region at all?
No, I can't say that we are, but I'm interested. Oh, well, definitely a resource that you can ally with. Sure. It's along those
same lines that she was saying, you know, I think, Leandra, even though you said we got to keep on doing what we're doing, and I agree with that in the general sense, but I also see you doing some different approaches, which I think is really what we need to keep doing as a, you know, if we want to be an effective movement and, and
achieve our goals, you know, we've got to constantly be kind of critiquing our, our strategy
and making sure that, you know, we're, are, are, do we even know who our audience is? And are we,
are we speaking their language? You know, all these things really come into play, especially like,
as I learned a lot from Josh about policy and how the decisions get made at the highest levels.
So, you know, with all this in mind, I applaud and I love seeing what you guys are, you ladies,
especially, there's some amazing leaders of hemp associations now coming out.
Rachel in Illinois is amazing as well.
I mean, you guys are killing it.
And you're doing it by new approaches.
You're reaching out of the hemp bubble to the regular, you know, the normie organizations that really need
hemp right now. And the message to them is where it's really critical to start making that impact.
I do have a question for the group, if anyone is experienced or has gone down an avenue with the
military route. So I am a U.S. Air Force veteran. I was law enforcement
while I was in. I was stationed at the Air Combat Command in Langley in Hampton, Virginia.
And my current approach to, you know, really getting their attention is building, you know,
homes for veterans, whether temporary, transitional, or even long-term,
depending on their case. So I'm working on a business plan right now with the Chesapeake
Agriculture Innovation Center. And so, yeah, any feedback on that would be super helpful.
I've got quite a bit, actually.
Oh, wonderful. Thank you. And also Josh,
I can't wait to also dig in deeper with that because I've been speaking with
someone in the Philippines, you know, to legalize hemp there.
So I just love that information and it's very encouraging and I want to replay
this to take notes and then, you know,
communicate that with my boots on the ground there. Yeah. So I think
there's a lot of opportunity to work together there as well. Thank you, Milan. Thanks so much.
So nice to meet you, Leandra. I'm going to bounce, guys. Paul, it's great to hear you.
Likewise. Milan, we'll talk soon. Thanks, everybody.
Love you, Josh. Thanks so much.
Thank you for everything you do. I know it's hard.
Thank you for everything you do. I know it's hard.
Sandra, I just wanted to mention or ask you if you're familiar with the executive orders that reference essential military demand for hemp.
I can't say that I am.
Well, it's executive order 12919 and 13603.
Okay.
Both of them specifically identify HEP as a strategic food resource that's available by essential military and civilian demand.
Now, the military and civilian crossover is that everyone in the military has a civilian family.
That is the reason that they're serving the military is to protect their family in our
country.
Yes.
Any military that isn't eating hemp seed is subpar because the importance of the nutrition in that you reach out to the responsible parties
that you know of who can reference the War Department demand in 1942, where the military, the War Department then was
demanding that hemp be reintroduced to American farms for the war effort, because that is
the historical precedent for what needs to happen today. The Hemp for Victory 2025 campaign is as relevant now as it
was in 1942. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I think I'll start with JAG then. Well, and I also wanted to
mention, you know, it depends if you're trying to get money from them for hemp housing, maybe
don't lead with, you know, that those might be two they're not mutually they're not mutually
exclusive actually they're complementary because when you get done uh with the seeds you've got
stocks for the housing but the the the strategic resource designation for cannabis is something
that the military understands yeah but they can you, okay, so I don't agree with
a memorandum necessarily being law, but what about that 2020 law that now, you can't, there's a law
that literally states hemp and CBD products, that military are not allowed to consume hemp products.
Yeah, Air Force was one of those too. Well, that's because we've conceded the myth of toxicity.
You know, those. Oh, I get it, Paul. But I mean, I'm just saying that's what they're going to reply with.
And so we have to. Yeah. But there's got to be a strategy.
A demand is not a strategy. A demand demand is a demand and and they have to deal
with the demand we need we need numbers you know well we need we need um uh an independent
offense defense committee to address conference congress and challenge the rightful jurisdiction of any court over the
veterans should do it i mean it should be a veteran-led right i think absolutely powerful
absolutely that's having people from every uh style every every relevant orientation to this plant who can deliver a rationale,
a holistic argument that overcomes the myth of cannabinoid toxicity and
eliminates the THC limits on seeded industrial hemp because it is a strategic
resource.
But I just want to quickly mention one thing.
The change is coming from the grassroots. It's the oxymoronic drug policy reform establishment that continues the
endless debate. And we get caught up in the endless debate because the laws are meant to
keep us in this endless cycle of challenging something that was never legitimate
to begin with. And we have to challenge the legitimacy and the jurisdiction over a unique
and essential strategic resource that's critical to national security and global integrity.
And that's the most direct line to get from where we are to where we need to go.
But we all have to be saying the same thing at the same time. That's where an independent
offense defense committee in front of Congress can do that. One person, two people can't do it.
You get 10 people sitting at that table presenting information that explains why cannabis is mankind's functional interface.
And our lives depend on how much we can grow and how fast we can grow it.
And then we get somewhere.
But until we do that, it's just going to be confusion.
Well, that happened, you know, at the UN in Geneva, Switzerland, almost two years ago, more or less.
I mean, it wasn't a demand.
So but maybe that's a good place to kind of start.
Yeah, I wasn't there, so it didn't count.
Well, I can share the recording is in.
It's one of our episodes, like a bonus episode on hemp rising.
If you guys want to listen to it, it's so good.
I mean, it's a little late now.
I mean, if you had heard it two years ago, you know, because the industry is rapidly growing as well.
So things that excite us, you know, nowadays, it's good that we're getting a little.
It was an incomplete argument.
It needs to be a holistic
argument.
It has to be all sides of the issue.
Exactly. And it's, you know, again,
so we're also dealing
with
people who are, you know,
participating at high levels of, you know...
Dysfunction.
An agenda. Well, yeah,
I'd say so an agenda that's pretty much rooted in, um, eliminating a large portion of humanity.
I mean, that's, that's what it's coming down to. And a lot of people don't like to go down those
rabbit holes and do that research to really, to really see if those theories are true. But
I mean, I'm telling you guys, whether you believe in anything or not, the weather, the sun,
everything is changing. Whether you believe in nature or man or both, it's happening.
We've all experienced the attack that has been carried out in broad
daylight on all of us in the last few years. And we all face the consequences of the nuclear war
that's brewing in the Middle East and in Ukraine. But the truth is that those extinction level events, which are looming over us presently, are entirely predictable in the context of the balance of power that has resulted from centralized energy production and the wars
for oil that comprise the majority of mankind's economic system, the volumes of money that are directed toward fossil fuels and the wars that result from centralized energy production
can be overcome by regional energy production from agricultural production.
But cannabis is unique in providing complete nutrition and clean energy from the same organic harvest. So that's
the thing that elevates cannabis above the rightful jurisdiction of the court.
And that's where we need to be arguing is not about THC limits or regulation, those are obsolete concepts that don't serve the survival of our
species. And to neglect the importance of time, the urgency of this is perhaps the most tragic
aspect of it, is people don't really understand how little time we have to resolve these
imbalances and these conflicts because the whole thing could go haywire any minute seriously
and i mean i've been doing this for 34 years and i've run out of patience about 30 years ago, you know, so I'm sorry to, to,
to be overbearing about it, but, um, it really does require that we're all overbearing in our,
uh, demand for this to be resolved. And, um, I just appreciate the opportunity to share this with y'all
in a way that can lead somewhere. But it has to lead somewhere. We can't just
be talking about it for another 34 years.
for another 34 years. That's the only reason I am brave enough to go down some of these rabbit
holes. You know that you guys, that's the only reason. Otherwise I'd be freaking myself out as
a mother. I'd be like panicking about my, my kid's future, which I, I underlyingly am. And that's what fuels, excuse me, fuels my passion to share about this plant.
Because you either are ignorant to the facts of what's ahead.
or you, you have to, you know, have to start planning for what is coming. And to do that,
it's, it's really, it's, it's not a place that most people want to go.
And, but you got to look, look at our, look at our modern day society. Most, you know,
like I just moved from living almost 15 years in L.A. I was downtown in the concrete jungle, not a barely a square foot of grass anywhere.
The trees are all shriveling up from these big 5G antennas.
Nonetheless, if anything were to happen with food or energy, let's say we start losing food supply or there's a blackout, it's going to be a shit show.
There's nowhere for people to go.
There's nothing they have to grow their food.
I mean, this is the case in a lot of places. We become very comfortable in our modern day luxury,
quote unquote,
which is ultimately cutting us off
from any sense of self-sufficiency or security.
It's a matter of-
Growing grass.
We're growing grass and proud of it.
But yet we're, you know,
getting in our cars to go to,
go down to Whole Foods to buy the, you know, we've got to readjust our perspective and there's a big readjustment
coming. That's what is coming. And the only way to get through what's coming in any sense of,
of, you know, and that's the gift. That's what I love about it is this is a gift from
mother nature because she's saying, you guys, you don't have to, you don't have to starve.
You don't have, you know, there's all these things coming, challenges coming in and hemp
is literally what can gracefully help us transition into a new way of living.
Literally a completely different relationship with Mother Earth
and each other.
Well, it's a polar shift in values. A polar shift in values back to respect for nature.
back to respect for nature. Respect for nature is more than just not harming nature. Respect for nature is developing symbiotic relationship with something that is offering us the most beautiful world we could imagine. The abundance of cannabis, the global distribution of cannabis,
in addition to all of its extraordinarily unique properties and abilities,
environmental services, agronomic services. I mean, the organic agriculture was crippled in 1937 because cannabis is such to people that it's like this, but it's not.
My experiences living in the wilderness and living in the ocean have given me a very direct download of how important it is to be in harmony with nature.
And yet I look around at human society and there's nothing but disharmony. follow the common sense and the rules of nature in deference to human regulation and greed.
One of the biggest problems with the hemp industry is that it produces pollen.
People see that as a problem. Pollen is excluded from many communities because people don't want to have their
Sensamea crops seeded with low THC genetics.
Well, that's not a luxury we can afford anymore.
Well, that's not a luxury we can afford anymore.
That's a product of prohibition that created the market for Sensimia.
I can't hear you, Paul.
Are you there?
Uh-oh.
I just got a phone.
Okay.
Yeah.
Go ahead, Rita. Thank you for joining.
Hello.
I wish I'll re-listen later to your broadcast.
And I saved other recordings you have.
I've followed you for a while, but I lost track of you.
I'm in Alaska.
And one of the things, could you hold one second?
Of course.
I'm sorry. I just had a phone call, that's why I dropped out.
Yeah, I think she's got a question.
Go ahead, Rita.
I'm in Alaska, and when I first moved up here in 76 it was legal to have up to a quarter pound
for your own possession and use and you could also grow for your own use they changed that around a
bit since but I was in the logging industry and in in the early 80s, around 80, the Japanese bought in southeast Alaska, Sitka area, Ketchikan, Wrangell.
They bought the pulp mills and the sawmill out.
And then the Japanese took over our production instead of doing it in the United States.
Not only shut down these great big mills, but put all these people out of work that are stuck on these islands.
The only way you get off or on is by boat or ferry the alaska ferry or a jet or float plane okay so all these
people are out of work there's i don't know four mills maybe that are have been shut down i don't
know how much work it would take but my dream and my idea would be if they could revamp the pulp mills
I think there's two of them and even the sawmill whatever but revamp them to handle hemp they could
be making not only the boards they could make, they could make the hemp crete maybe, because two of them were pulp mills.
And so why couldn't they, if it was feasible, to, you know, revamp them?
I don't know how hard that would be, but to do the production up here. And also, I know how
hemp grows. What is it, twice a year crop? It'll grow in any kind of, whether it's raining or
our weather up here, which we can get good weather, but we have a lot of land up here to use that could be utilized for growing.
But my dream, like I said, would be to get those mills up and going again,
but be producing hemp products out of them,
especially instead of, you know, people worrying about cutting down the trees and all that.
Well, they've gone so long on cutting a lot of the trees, the contracts they could get now.
The trees aren't really, like 90% of them wouldn't even be but for pulp and crappy pulp.
Because they're old growth and they're they're they're
rotten kind of i mean there's good wood but it's expensive to get into in and out but like i said
if they could change that over and start processing hemp i i am trying to look into that.
And I'm approaching our Alaska political group here on X.
But no one seems to want to talk about that.
They want to talk about the politics going on up here, not, you know, production.
Okay. Oh, thank you for that um i let me see if oh paul just dropped out he might he might have better insight yeah go ahead paul Yeah, you know, the thing is, cannabis is a very valuable reforestation crop.
You can plant hemp in areas that have been forested, and it will serve as a successional species. It attracts wildlife. It eliminates soil erosion. It provides seasonal windbreak.
I mean, it has a lot of different, you know, feed and cover for wildlife is a big one. But
using cannabis as a reforestation tool is something that can help to regenerate the forests, but also growing hemp
for paper to produce paper will eliminate the need to cut down those forests for paper
and building materials. Because now there are, you know, people are developing hemp wood and other construction grade materials from hemp that are a lot cheaper than cutting down forests and milling lumber.
So what's holding it back, though, is the scale of production. Dernationalized land use areas is something that is virtually undeveloped usage for the plant.
Again, tied to the myth of cannabinoid toxicity, holding it back.
But did that offer you any insights or ideas, answers to your question?
Not really.
I'm saying that like in Sitka, where I lived later on after the mill had been shut down out there.
That was the pulp and paper mill.
So all the paper and toilet paper and paper products could be made there
instead of using the trees and whatnot, which in our log,
I made the log rafts after the log trucks had bring down the load, dump them in the water.
We had a tugboat.
We'd build the different rafts, and then they would get towed to the different mills, sawmill, pulp mill, whatever.
And my point is these mills and hempcrete, I know about that.
Didn't they use, I know about that.
Didn't they use, I believe they used that in Rome.
I know what you're saying, Rita.
Can it be repurposed to process hemp?
You're saying couldn't it be repurposed to process hemp?
Yes, absolutely.
I'm sure it could be.
Sometimes that's all it takes is someone, you know, doing a little digging, finding out, you know, what's what's up with this, you know, abandoned mill or this, you know, this, you know, even like a sale, you see something's up for sale or, you know, you those are the people you want to be talking to and educating because a lot of times they they haven't even put the pieces together because they're just so, you know, you know, we're all very hyper-focused into
our own lives and what's going on. And we only have so much time in a day to, you know, really,
um, process information. And, you know, I, more and more I've, I've become, you know, I, at first it really pissed
me off, but I mean, it's understandable. This is why, this is why, you know, we've got to spread
the word and share the message, you know, and learn as much as we can with the time we have,
because, you know, these people may not even have the time to, you know, to learn.
Well, I lived at the McLeod Mill in California, which facility for the hemp industry because the scale of production that's necessary to make the hemp industry profitable is at the scale of the infrastructure that you have in processing lumber.
That's the same enormous scale of production that means you have your hemp processing infrastructure 75% completed. So yes, I absolutely encourage you to develop
that parallel. I can definitely connect you too, Rita, with a couple hemp paper companies here in the U.S., as well as a hemp, you know, HWP World. He,
he redid the whole inside of his bus with, it's called hemp wood. They have floral laminate.
They have, you know, it's not, it's made of hemp, but it looks just like the wood flooring,
It's made of hemp, but it looks just like the wood flooring that you would buy.
It looks pretty self-assembling for the most part.
They have some amazing products for building and finishing.
But even hempcrete in its own right, that's really my jam I'm really geeking out on lately is the hemp crete. Um, I got the pleasure
to meet, Oh, um, Heather Jane from South Africa, who I got to connect Josh with, but she was at
the event too. I don't know if HWP has met her, but she's making pottery and furniture out of
hemp crete. It's so cool. Um, but go ahead, HWP World. Shout out your floor and cabinet people.
Yeah, we get our flooring and cabinetry from Hempwood and they're in Kentucky and it's Greg
Wilson and they're really good people. The flooring is, what they do is they basically take the hemp
and they bind it together with soy glue
and pressure and heat and turn it into big logs and then depending upon what they're doing with
it from there but like for the flooring they cut a quarter inch veneer off of it and put that
glued to popular wood backing that's made here in america so it's not got any formaldehyde or
anything like that in it and so it's comparable got any formaldehyde or anything like that in
it and it's so it's comparable to hardwoods it goes down just like a hardwood floor and our cabinets
are I believe what they call you know OHB instead of OSB which is basically oriented hemp strand
board instead of oriented strand board and so it's a composite that has uh hemp running
three different directions um sandwiched together and so that gives it strength and
it makes our countertop look real pretty and it also made for the doors and the counter fronts
the counter um the cabinetry itself is a hemp plywood and so it's basically kind of like the flooring before they would cut
it into the strips to become flooring. I think, you know what I mean? So.
Have you noticed any like benefit features of the cabinetry? That's kind of curious. I'm curious
about that. Like, is there less, I wonder if any studies have done yet about like pests or bugs, if they see a, a less, a lesser,
you know, things like that, or maybe even like your food lasts longer, you know, I'm just curious.
I haven't noticed anything like that. Um, we've only had them in, let's see, we went down to
South by Southwest in March. And so probably late February, we got them finally put in.
So I just.
What about a taste? That's the other thing. Do you guys ever notice like if you accidentally don't close the cereal all the way or some crackers in your cabinets?
And then you if you have traditional toxic made cabinets like most of us have the You kind of taste like a card. I can't explain it. It tastes
like a particle board, cardboard undertone taste. I don't know if anyone has had that. And I've
experienced that in multiple places I've lived. And I always wonder, you know, like, does hemp,
will hemp have a, you know, not a taste. I mean, I'm sure that's
what a lot of people will ask, but I, I'm more concerned with just like, you know, how it supports
food storage and whatnot. That's interesting. Anyway, these are all, you know, little,
little glimpses into, you know, potential businesses and new products that can be made now, you know,
made in the USA. You can grow your own hemp and start. Again, I love the building aspect because
I think it's one of the most low hanging fruit for just kind of a normal average Joe or Jane to say, Hey, you know, I really want to, I want to,
I'm ready to, you know, really make a shift and start, you know, I think a lot of people,
a lot of us, especially my generation are really starting to seek, um, an alternative way of
living where we're wanting to get out of the big cities and start getting into a place where,
We're wanting to get out of the big cities and start getting into a place where, you know, we've got some food security and community as well.
Right. And I think this is this is really how we do it.
And this plant really especially building with it is a great kind of introductory.
I wouldn't say anyone can do it. Right. Because, you know, John, you're an experienced builder.
But I think the technologies and innovations that are coming out now from amongst you,
you know, hemp building pioneers and some of the products that are coming out,
it's going to be increasingly easier for us to kind of enter into it as a, you know, homesteader or
what have you, and really be able to start creating, you know, systems that we can literally
grow our own house, you know, learn how to process the hemp stock and make the herd and then make the
hemp creed. I will say, so any flooring installer, if they've done any kind of hardwood, it installs just like a hardwood.
It can glue down. It can nail down. It can even be free floating.
There's a couple of different versions of what you can do with this flooring.
So it's super easy to install.
to install. You actually could install it, right? Are you like, you should advertise more yourself
You actually could install it, right?
as a contractor that has worked with hempwood, right? Because that's what Starla is.
Yeah, I travel a lot around the country and I do help people do stuff. And we're getting ready,
actually. My good friend is putting, we're going to put hempwood through her entire house
in one of the remodels we're about to do for her flooring and stuff.
So here you go, is the builder available?
I mean, I've seen the inside of Starla.
John is impeccable.
You can tell just from being inside the bus that he's a very meticulous, clean, exact, detail-oriented kind of guy.
And I love that.
It really leaves a really impressive just experience all together,
seeing the bus, and so I could definitely say you know what you're doing.
I wanted to just mention that I posted some photographs of hemp wood
and hemp plywood in the chat there.
Awesome. Yeah, and so the plywood and the stuff too, like the countertops,
if you talk to the company, they'll help make sure you get exactly what you need.
They're very hands-on with all their, you know, their orders and stuff,
which I think is super cool. And again,
any cabinet maker could work with this product. They're not, they're not toxic.
They're not any special
things that you have to do with them you know i mean it's it's they're really durable um so it's
really awesome that you can do that and that's the same with like the hemp texture insulation
you know um we didn't have any special skills we just uh i mean i've i've done some insulation on
some houses before but you know anybody who's
done insulation especially the just put it in and look what they call them bats you know which is
basically a two foot by this case I think three foot that might be four foot two by four or foot
and a half by four it's a but um and they're just a couple inches thick and you can just you just
put them right in there's it's super easy to cut i mean they have recommended ways where you take a
grinder and you can cut through it that way but um there's lots of ways to do it and and it's
it's really hypoallergenic type thing like i said my my good friend she helped do the bus twice and
she gets hay fever real bad allergies she can't be around the itchy pink stuff at all and she helped do the bus twice and she gets hay fever real bad and allergies she can't be around
the itchy pink stuff at all and she helped do this whole bus and never had any reaction from it you
know she was totally fine the whole time you know and it's good small space and you're doing from
the walls you know from the floor all the way up and around with the insulation so anybody wanting
to get into the products they're
super easy to work with they're not complicated you're not getting anything any harder again like
the flooring a hardwood floor usually runs you from six to fourteen dollars um somewhere in there
a square foot and these come in around eight so it's not even bad in the hardwood flooring range. It's really important to know, too, that, I mean, hardwood floors have a tendency to split and crack.
And compared with hemp wood, which, I mean, you can drive a fairly large fastener into it, and it doesn't crack or split.
It's really amazing.
Yeah. Yeah, we've not had any problems with that
at all i will say putting it in the bus um you know you have to watch out for moisture
and a bus if you're doing a bus build itself be careful of those things because any flooring
exposed to enough moisture will will run into problems but it was super durable and super easy to fix,
which I thought was super cool.
And it's been all over the country.
We exposed this floor to stuff no one else's floor
would ever go through.
It's been as far north and in January in Maine
as to down in Austin in the middle of the summer.
So it's been all over the country.
And the floor still, I mean, by your own testament, still looks beautiful.
Do you know anybody who's producing finishing products using cannabis resins?
Just the hemp seal in Canada.
There you go.
They make a waterproof
sealant for like wood
decks. They have
some, I think, different natural stain
finishes. They're really nice.
Can you post that link?
Yes, I got to find it. Hold on one second.
Because what's wonderful
about the cannabis plant
is that whatever you need, you can render from the plant.
And paints and varnishes used to be commonly made from cannabis, as well as the canvas upon which the classic paintings were made, but the paints and varnishes are another aspect of the plant that hasn't
apparently been developed in the United States.
They're doing it in Canada,
but it sounds like a huge opportunity for the industry here.
Yeah.
There's somebody in money.
Yeah.
I'd love to be able to get in something like that. Yeah. I'd love to be able to get in
something like that.
Yeah.
Well, one thing I was impressed
with
learning about the hemp
crete, and I have a friend that
was going to build with that up
here, but she
couldn't find where to buy it.
But not only keeps your home cool in the summer but
warmer in the winter but what i've seen about rome a lot of buildings in rome were built with
hempcrete type product and when rome burnt it didn't. So is it fireproof and whatnot?
That's a bonus.
And one more thing, I went down to the lumber store.
They did a 2x12 8-foot board.
They wanted $30 for it.
I can't afford that, so I went out to their junk pile and I made do with their
scrap lumber because I can't afford $30 a board. But like I said, I'll get on it up here about,
I don't know who in the administration that would be interested in, you know,
in the administration that would be interested in, you know,
funding anything up here and revamping those mills.
But to me, if it's possible at all,
because they've been down since the early eighties.
So I don't know how much revamping they'd have to do to make it so they could
do the production of whatever hemp products.
But it's worth, I mean, they're just sitting there idle, rusting and going to waste idle.
Is there much hemp being grown in the area or you think you'd have to start from that too?
Not down where I'm at. I'm on the Kenai Peninsula, south and west of Anchorage,
down, you know, towards the Aleutian Islands.
They're off to the left.
But further north, there's plenty of land that they could be using and growing.
Are the mills close to where you're at or are they close to
No, the mills are down in southeast Alaska.
Ketchikan, Juno, Sitka, down on the
Panning. A good deal of distance in between them?
Yeah, but that would spark their economy,
bring more people back,
and the people that lived there that lost all of their jobs when the mills did shut down.
It could be a win-win situation.
Just got to get it to the right people.
Are people growing anything down there?
Where I'm at?
Down in Sitka, where the mills are.
Pretty much no, because they're islands,
and they're limited on their land.
And it used to rain a lot.
It's lessening up, but no.
Further north up by Delta, above Fairbanks,
that would be more ideal places.
They grow a lot of barley.
Oh, that's it.
And other.
That's it.
That's where, you know, cannabis is a great rotational crop for other crops like barley and other cereal crops.
So that would be the place to cite the effort to get the farmers involved.
And again, the Grange, the National Grange
is an underutilized group
that can make a big difference regionally.
Yeah.
So it's that Natural Grange.
What is that?
Can I ask?
Is that?
I posted a link to the.
It's the.
I already tagged him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a very respected and ancient organization for agriculture in the United States.
United States.
They're really supposed to
protect the
food supply and
represent the farmers.
They started as
the first, what, farmer, kind of like a union
for the farmers, quote unquote,
or something to that effect.
Yeah, an association.
This is where I see it.
Well, they
probably feel like the ship is sinking. So what's, I mean, I, you know,
I think at a certain point, you know, they're, they're probably overwhelmed with the data they're
getting. And I, you know, maybe they're just, that's a lot of times what happens if they don't
feel like they know a solution, they just kind of give up and let the, let the big crazy people like Bill Gates take over.
Well, in the past,
the National Grange has been rather weak in its assessment of,
of cannabis,
but that is more a result of just being whipped into submission and infiltrated by market interests
who had downplayed the importance of hemp in agriculture.
All of those misvaluations, all of the people affected by the irrational social prejudice against cannabis need to change their tune.
And it's not going to happen by itself.
That's why the grassroots is where the change comes from.
It doesn't come from the top down.
It comes from the bottom up.
And that's why we all need to keep our lines of communication open and pool our resources and work toward a common goal.
Yes, that's it.
Wow, guys, I started at 10 o'clock.
I'm probably going to start wrapping it up unless someone brings a spent almost longer than I've been born, a number of years dedicated to advocating, protecting, and educating about this plant.
advocating, protecting, and educating about this plant. And if it weren't for the
elders and pioneers and these brave souls like him that made the way for us,
younger generation, you know, who knows where we'd be right now. We may never have found out that the Library of Congress was hiding, yes, hiding and denying the existence of a World War II hemp for victory campaign.
That they required all American farmers.
The only way they could avoid the draft was if they stayed in the U.S. and grew hemp for the war effort.
Yes, hemp, industrial hemp.
So that tells you where it is as, you know, in the priority of military strategic resources.
It's the first thing that they turn to. And they claim that's how they, you know,
basically won the war. Whatever story you subscribe to, I don't even know if we'll ever
get the real story, but you know what I'm saying as far as Library of Congress, that finally got
exposed by Jack Harrell. You know, he went to the Library of Congress.
There's a great, I'll share a video in the pill after about the, this,
I'll share the link to this video from a podcast that kind of gets into that whole history.
And Jack, it's got footage of Jack that I had never seen.
I was really excited to see it finally on public television.
Finally, you know, how times have changed.
They are changing.
So you definitely got to watch that, though.
It's a mind-blowing story of how devious and corrupt our governments are.
And that's a perfect example of the change coming from the grassroots
up. Exactly. Exactly. Jack was pure grassroots. Yes. The impact one person made on history.
You know, Jack was surrounded by a lot of really great people. It's never one person.
Yes.
But he inspired all of us.
You know, and his personality was so uncompromising.
Yeah.
I feel like in a way I've gone from being sort of a very polite activist who, you know, planted pot publicly in a very polite way, you know, but as I age,
I, I've become to turn into Jack, you know, I'm not,
I'm not patient anymore.
Well, the more, the more the truth becomes revealed to you, you know,
the more you see the contrast and the absurdity of how,
how we live, you know,
what we self inflict. And that's really, yeah.
It's so massive. And now the only way to fix it is collectively.
We've got to do this collectively. And it's like, I, I,
I constantly am using the analogy of Horton. Here's a who I don't
know if anyone's familiar with that Dr. Seuss cartoon. My kids love it. Sure. But it's really
how it feels sometimes being in the hemp cannabis hemp space. We've got, you know, this solution and we're just trying to be heard and it's going to take all of us
shouting. And even then, you know, it's, we're, we're a speck on the, the flower that the elephant's
holding. It's just like, you know, we feel so small yet the only way we can get big is by
getting together. And at the end of the day, these people that are making laws about our lives are a small few.
It's like such a small percentage of the power and wealth.
I'm sorry, such a small percentage of the people are controlling so much of the wealth.
Yeah, but see, it's not real wealth.
The true wealth.
And we know this.
The true wealth is in the global distribution.
Here's our chance, guys.
Let's go.
The true wealth is in the global distribution of wealth
because no one is secure if anyone else is insecure.
And so we need to recognize
that the optimal social dynamic is insecure. And so we need to recognize that the optimal social dynamic
is abundance. It's not scarcity. We were born into scarcity, but we don't have to remain in scarcity.
And that's where the power of the truth is greater than any of us can possibly comprehend.
But it has to be delivered in a way that can be received.
And that's why I continue to cultivate my diplomatic side. I've been called an ambassador
of nature. And I try to remember humility in proportion to the importance of the message, because it's the message that is important.
And my ability to deliver it depends on my ability to be humble and respectful of everyone.
of everyone, but uncompromising. And that's where Jack Herrick comes in or comes through.
But uncompromising.
You know, I didn't mean to be contentious with anybody today, but when I hear people talking
in terms that don't carry the ball forward as far as it can go. Uh, I feel it's helpful to
them if I point that out. And so I didn't really disagree with Josh or, or, or John or anybody else,
uh, today in what they were saying, I was trying to, um, uh, highlight the nuances. I frankly love it. Please. I get so bored in a
space when everyone's just chiming in and agreeing with each other. Like, I mean, and, and that's
also my, my gripe with the cannabis, uh, you know, movement in general is that we've, we don't really, we tend, we have in the past not been, I think, as self-critiquing
as we need to be and kind of looking at critically how our message is getting out and how we can be
more effective and what are better ways to, you know, introduce the plant to people. And I think that's, that's what I love
about hemp so much is that you can really just pick a lane and, you know, pick, pick whatever
product or, you know, it might be grain, it might be fiber, it might be the herd for building it,
you know, and sometimes it's overwhelming because there's so many exciting things you can do with
this plant. But I really encourage everyone to try to find one lane that you can do well and just gun it and go for it in that lane and stay in that lane.
And if we all did that, you know, we would have, I think, much more of like the diversity and kind of the ball rolling
that is required for
a real system.
You've given me a great idea,
Milan. I think you're going to
like this idea.
We need to come up with a
list of
people
that we would have
on the dream team in front of Congress.
We need to identify the individuals who are still alive for the moment.
We're, you know, we're still here and we could show up in Washington,
DC and deliver a holistic rationale that would end the myth of cannabis that keeps it down.
And I think, you know, close to the top of that list would be somebody like Richard Rose,
for example. Absolutely. I love him. I follow him. You guys should follow him on Facebook. And he's it's actually Hemp History Month, people.
The Richard Rose Report is is absolutely mandatory reading for anybody who's interested in this subject.
The Richard Rose Report.
Richard's a dear friend. He's a hemp nut.
And he's a legendary character and a monumental intellect and a great musician
and just a really fun guy to be around.
So I would encourage you all to follow Richard Rose and, of course, Wade Atterbury.
He's another guy that
has to be there at the table
well Wade is yeah I mean
all our builders I mean
we probably have about 100 to
200 people
yeah but we need to narrow it down to a dozen
well they all have to audition
whoever does the best we'll
send them right
we'll all go in a big crowd but The ones we vote to speak will speak.
I think it needs to be, you know, an organic process where we all sort of talk about it and choose who we want to be there.
One person each representing the 12 fruits.
The lanes, yeah.
The different lanes. Yeah. The different lanes.
Exactly.
And so, you know.
Paul and I always reference the tree in Revelations that the tree of life that bears, you know, and granted this is translated how many times da-di-da so um it gives even more credence at least in my head to the fact
that you know well you saw the conversation i had tree of life has got to be cannabis i mean come on
you guys remember did you see that conversation i had with grok about the tree of life no but
please share it i want to read it oh it's it's really great. I think I saw pieces of it, but I haven't.
If you can share the whole conversation with me, that'd be cool.
Well, it's on X.
The whole thread is quite long, but it goes from my premise that cannabis is the tree of life to eventually Grok agrees with me and says, yeah, you're right.
Cannabis is the tree of life to eventually grok agrees with me and says yeah you're right cannabis is the tree of life okay so let it be grok verified so let it be done yeah you know i mean i knew i already knew
the question isn't really a question if you know the answer to uh that's a john prine quote well
you know we've gotten like the retarded versions of ai the
government's got all the good they've had the good ai tech for a long time but um that that
just tells you what like even the most retarded ai is is admitting that cannabis is the answer i i've several similar chats with AI trying to convert,
apostolizing it. But nonetheless, you know,
I have to point out too that this is why I've kind of come to the conclusion
that it must be our destiny.
It must be part, this, this plant or, uh, uh, reunification and, uh,
probably first time ever global, like, I mean, propagation of this plant
that fulfilled, not only fulfills Hopi prophecy about that the end days when the earth is
ravaged and almost all the animals are dying. And hopefully we don't get to a
a point like that, but you know, we're, we're, we're, we're on that. We're already on that path,
You know, we're on that, we're already on that path, right?
Let's be real about it.
So there's a prophecy that says that, you know, a tribe of all nations, of all creeds and of all tongues will come together and they're going to make the earth green again.
fact that we have a genetic endogenous system embedded into our DNA, our body has an endocannabinoid
system. I don't think everyone really gets the gravity or the real profound meaning that that
holds. And that's why I always say like all roads lead to the
endocannabinoid system, because I, this is my question is that, is this what our creator or
whatever, the designer, the mother earth, the planet has embedded in us as a clue to what,
what our, like the key to our survival, the key to observing our humanity
is going to be, we have an endogenous, I mean, I, I'm going to share that.
All species.
Yeah.
Animals and humans.
Yes.
It's all animals and humans have an endogenous cannabinoid system.
We do not have an endogenous system for any other plant.
Our body did not create an endogenous system for any other plant.
That means that it's a symbiotic relationship that life on Earth has with the cannabis plant specifically.
It's our functional interface.
And that is why they're never like, you know, as long as this agenda is controlled, you know, the powers that be are running the show.
People are going to walk around totally ignorant of this
fact. And it's been, it's been, this has been discovered, like it's been over 50 years now,
like some of this research. So I would encourage you all, if you really don't know what the,
your endocannabinoid system is, um, look into that because that is like in many ways the first step to really
revealing that you've got something written inside of you that connects you exclusively
and undoubtedly to this plant. Whether you smoke it or not,
you create cannabinoids. Your body creates them. And they're finding now that it's,
I mean, ironically or not ironically, I don't know which it is, but maybe both. It's actually
the protein from the hemp seed that actually supports your endogenous cannabinoid system.
that actually supports your endogenous cannabinoid system. So eating this plant
as a food source is literally what has supported mankind's...
This endogenous system controls all your other systems, okay? This is like runs the show. It's
your dashboard. It holds like all your other systems in homeostasis. That's what's so
mind-blowing about it. And no, you don't need to smoke. If you don't like getting high, fine,
but you need to be eating the plant. And that's literally like, it's an essential part of your biological makeup. So from that standpoint, it kind of starts to
make sense why, why they worked so hard to keep this plant from really taking off the way we
want it to and know it will. It is. Well, I posted a diagram that shows the endogenous cannabinoid system and how it affects our bodies or the different organs that it affects.
In addition to the endogenous cannabinoid system, there's also the element of intellectual evolution and the effect that cannabis has uniquely on mankind's intellectual development.
intellectual development.
And some of the people that used cannabis for that included Richard Feynman,
Nobel Prize winning physicist, Carl Sagan. And then there's all the, you know, the the artists and musicians.
Entire genre of music that was influenced by cannabis includes jazz, for example. For example, you know, the evidence is everywhere to suggest that cannabis is more than just physiologically relevant and significant. Mankind's elevated intellectual abilities and certainly our spiritual evolution.
All of the major religions began with cannabis.
So, you know, it's it's it's an irrational social prejudice that we face.
It's not a rational prejudice against this planet. It's irrational.
And that's why we have to overcome that irrationality, because we can't wait for
other people to wise up. If we know the truth and we have the proof of it, then we are legitimately responsible to make the demand in everyone's
best interests.
When I was at the European Parliament, I was invited to speak.
And by the end of the session, I walked out of the European Parliament with the MP for Sweden,
which had very, very strict laws against cannabis.
But the argument that I presented at the European Parliament was so compelling
that she came over and introduced herself to me and gave me her business card.
And as it turned out, she was on the committee for dealing with osteoporosis in Sweden.
And I was able to help her present the nutritional benefits of hemp seed in dealing with osteoporosis,
preventing osteoporosis actually, and, and, and successfully treating it. And so, you know,
that is the, the challenge is, is to face the opposition with love and openness and the truth in a way that it can be received.
And that is a challenge, but it's also an honor.
Because we represent a creature that has so much good in her.
And all we can do is to use our time effectively
to share that good with others
and the other creatures with whom we share this planet.
I mean, they're just, all systems are connected, you know.
Well, maybe with people kind of waking up to the health benefits and other alternative ways,
instead of pharmaceutical companies and the lumber industry.
When I was born and raised in Washington, there was Crown Zellerback in Washington, Oregon and Idaho and and Weyerhaeuser.
And so I don't know how they're doing now, but maybe it's more feasible to get in on this instead of fighting because they had
lots of money to fight against hemp and marijuana but um maybe now's the time
you know it is now is the. And yet we don't want to gamble our children's future on the opinions
of people who have a vested interest in not understanding what we're trying to introduce.
What we need to do is we need to realize a truly free market economy for the
first time in our lives. None of us have ever known a truly free market economy because the
world's most valuable agricultural resource has been banned and overregulated for almost 90 years.
I don't think any of us are that old. I'm not. I think I'm the oldest one in the room. But the thing is,
you know, we don't have a lot of time to make this right. And the amount of time that it takes
for people to understand why cannabis is mankind's functional interface with the
earth's natural order will determine the quality of life on earth for everyone's children
full stop that's it we don't have time the urgency is the most important part of this message
you know the urgency in getting this done is the most important part that's why i was kind of
you know uh overbearing with Josh.
You know, it's like, why don't you send me a goddamn plane ticket?
Well, because he's just as broken as the rest of us.
He's, you know.
Well, he's talking with the king of Zambia or whatever.
Well, that's because of his connections from his 15 years of his breadfruit.
Yeah, but breadfruit is nothing compared to him.
We know this.
I know, Paul.
I know you do. But that this. I know, Paul. I know you do.
But that's why I keep telling Josh.
Well, everyone's defending their current careers in some aspects.
So, you know, you got to.
Yeah, but he's writing hemp laws in the United States.
And I have not been invited into that conversation.
Well, because he was invited.
I mean, he can't.
Yes, he can.
He has to.
Is he an American or an American't?
I think your approach of going to Congress
is definitely, I think, a great idea.
And I would love to somehow,
you know,
help organize that.
I think there's,
there's some other groups that we could probably,
you know,
kind of discuss it with and see who they've got.
we choose the,
we choose our dream team.
We contact those people.
And then we raise the funding
to transport 12 people to Washington, D.C.
and get this done.
That's the way it has to go.
But timing-wise, how do you go about,
I don't know anything about
making an appointment for Congress.
So that's, that's where I'm like.
Well, first we have to choose the dream team.
That's the first step.
You do it one step at a time.
And that's how you get to where you want to go.
Okay.
Well, I think I've already got, we've already know who we're sending.
know who we're sending i was talking more about process like i i want to you know
I was talking more about process.
we have to do it in a way so that it's like worthwhile the effort and cost and all that
well when you know who did they get heard and it's yeah but when you know who who's going when
you know the names of those 12 people, then those 12 people can coordinate their resources
and other people can become involved.
I'm with it.
Yeah, I know.
You lead, I'll follow.
I told you I'm with it.
Step one is to choose the 12.
It's only 11.
You're obviously number one.
So who else?
What are the other 11 apostles?
I'm not going to make that assumption.
It's got to be consensus.
You know, everybody's got to agree.
Because I've been involved with group presentations before.
When I was in Hawaii, I coordinated a presentation to four state senators to lobby for hemp to replace sugar cane.
And the meeting did not go well because one of the people there undermined.
Oh, no, we're going to have rehearsal.
No, no, no, no, no.
If I'm going to be organizing this, I'm going to be organizing it. And you guys are going to be sick of me by the end. But oh, well, we're going to make sure this is done right.
I'll leave it in your capable hands.
I love it. I think I think it's great. We've we've definitely got plenty of candidates to look at. And oh, yeah, we're going to need a lot of help on the back end. I'm definitely not going to be one of the candidates that's going but i will definitely be in the background um you know giving him my two cents so if anyone else wants
to support or get involved definitely reach out because this is going to be an all hands on deck
effort we're going to need to probably um you know get the word out in some degree but maybe not
i don't know. We know Josh.
Josh has got to be there.
We've got who we need. Richard's got to be there.
Yeah.
I mean, Harry's got to be there.
How do we get this?
And you all ride in the hemp bus,
worst case.
Run on hemp.
How do we get this? I know this might Run on hemp. How do we get this?
I know this might sound silly, but how do we get this into something like Farm Aid?
Something where there's a situation where we can present this to people in a way that maybe they're not expecting.
Because like when we go to Farm Aid, I think we had a discussion about this a little bit.
about this a little bit. They have like a homegrown village, which teaches you farm to home
They have like a homegrown village, which teaches you farm to home practices.
practices. How do we get it so that
the bus, booth, something? You give them the seeds and the tool.
Make sure they have the tools. And, you know, I think
I've definitely got people that are, I'm
kind of waiting on, hoping that some things are going to kick out
by the end of the summer
here as far as seed supply. But I mean, seed supply is like the number one, that's the,
that needs to be the focus right now for, for any, like, I mean, grow for seed. If you've never
grown before and you, I mean, I think that's like right now, the number one thing is seed,
you can store it, learn, it's not, it doesn number one thing because seed, you can store it.
It doesn't take rocket science.
Learn how to store it correctly.
And you've got something you can start storing up that's going to be valuable.
Seed for planting.
Even if it's just, you know, it doesn't have to be some beautiful CBD strain, you know, just some of these industrial hemp or fiber or grain varieties.
Print up a bunch of t-shirts that say, if you don't grow it, you don't get it.
Well, that's a way to raise money. I live in an apartment right now though, you know,
so it's like, I'm not talking about you. I'm just talking about me. I should be talking about me before anyone else. Right.
So I just think that I get that. And then but we've got to also I support it.
I support it. But I know we've got to make sure pathways for people who like myself can, you know, get involved in other ways, you know, support the
local farmers, find out who is, you know, that's what I'm doing now. I'm really focused on finding
people around me right in my neighborhood, in my community that have land and are growing.
And just start there, start relationships, go visit. You know, find your local community farm or, you know, there's communities coming together all over the place, you guys.
And this is how it's happening.
You know how many T-shirts you could sell if you had if you don't grow it, you don't get it in all your travels and all the people you talk with?
You could you could sell you could probably sell a refrigerator to an eskimo milan i mean
but if you had a t-shirt like that you could fund your whole operation just by going to to talk with
people about hemp and you know you okay well so let it be done i will you know any you know any
silk screeners you know any people who print t-shirts? I'm not selling cotton t-shirts, but I'll sell hemp t-shirts.
And I know someone that can help me do that.
I totally get it.
And that's, you know, that's just an idea.
It's all ideas upon ideas.
But, you know, sometimes ideas grow legs.
And then they make money.
Yeah.
Ja Rastafari.
Lord knows we all need it, right?
This is the point.
I mean, this is the other part of it.
Well, we need the idea.
It is the part of it
because it's essentially replacing money
in many ways, you know,
and that's my maybe conversation
for another day too, but, you know, resource-based economies and a, that's literally what this plant creates.
That's why I love it so much, because the more I learn about it, the more like all these're just constantly slammed with all this bad news and distractions from what we really should be focusing on as if we want to be a species that survives.
Anyway.
Well, you're right.
And it's a matter of focusing on solutions. I mean, I, I've been
doing this a long time and I've hit the wall with it a couple of times, um, where I just couldn't
do it anymore. And so I had to crawl up into the mountains and grow pot or run away to Europe and grow pot. All of us, Paul, it's, it's anything that is a life.
I mean, shoot, that's, that is, that is how nature intends it. I think we need to take
rest so you can't go hard all the time and burn out. And again, that's the need for community.
That's why we, we need each other. That's the only way that this goes back to like the 1% and the 99%.
Like we outnumber, we outnumber our oppressors.
Well, the thing is that we don't need anything from anyone.
We could all be self-sufficient if we chose to be.
Sure.
I don't want to be a hermit though i want i
want no no i'm talking about self-sufficient community yes yes yes you know we we we all
have the capacity to grow cannabis in our community and if you're not growing cannabis
in your community then you're you're food insecure and energy insecure. But the thing is, we all could be
growing cannabis abundantly in our region and processing it into everything we need. But
that isn't what we were born into. And so we have to kind of struggle through the birth canal
of the marketplace in order to birth this industry.
But it's not easy.
And well, I love the approach that the group from Australia is coming up with.
And I'm going to have more updates on that.
They're the group that I'm hoping is going to be able to give us access to seed supply
here in the late summer this year. But their approach is that
we've got to get to a million acres, at least globally, before we can even be recognized as
a potential market, you know, as a viable market, right? And they've got to, you know,
it makes a lot of sense. Again, this is,
this is with the constraints of Babylon. If we're, if we're going down that route,
you've got to prove to investors and, you know, the powers that be that, you know, we're,
we're ready to go. We, we've got, you know, what is needed to create some of these products or even, you know, biofuel, for example, requires a lot of,
a lot of, a lot of biomass, you know, you can't, no one's going to invest millions and millions of
dollars on a production facility if there's no farmers growing it. And, you know, they don't,
they don't see it as a real viable business. So, well, even if the farmers are growing it,
there's no guarantee that the crop is going to be delivered because of the THC limits.
And that's why those have to end.
All the more reason we,
I buy a refinery costs a hundred million dollars.
Okay.
Yeah.
A regional energy production facility that encompasses a region about a miles in diameter, roughly, and also processes
other agricultural waste into organic fertilizers after the energy production process is completed.
Then you have soil amendments and you have seed and you have all these other
ancillary industries that receive the resin and the cellulose and the bass fiber and,
you know, the roots and the essential oils and the therapeutics. I mean, the exponential growth, economic growth in a region
that results from having a hemp biorefinery is beyond most people's ability to imagine,
but it's based in abundance. And that's what we need to orient towards solutions.
And solutions require abundance.
And that's how life in the sea evolved with some of the largest creatures on earth occupying peaceful societies.
The dolphins, the whales, you know, those are ancient species, 35 million years old.
you know those are ancient species 35 million years old and they evolved into peaceful creatures
because there was no reason to fight over limited resources there's plenty of fish in the sea
well on land we could have plenty of resources too but scarcity has been imposed since
before we were born.
And we think that's normal.
I truly feel like that's changing.
It seems like it is.
You know, there's more conversation about it.
The younger generations, too, are more like, dude, we're not drinking the Kool-Aid.
The people of our generation are starting to say the same things, you know.
Don't drink the Kool-Aid, that we all have to pull
together and make this better because we all see that they've created the system of division
and that that's what's giving them the power to destroy the world around us.
How we bring everybody together becomes the question. But man, I do still at least feel hope
because I can see the generations, I can see it in the younger
generations saying, hey, we're not doing it. And that makes me feel better.
Yeah, the truth, there's always the truth in the toxic mimic. You know, their lie has, if you look into it, it holds the truth,
right? If they're using division to control us, then that means unity is what they're afraid of, right? Unity is how we fight back and how we unify.
Come on, HWP.
You just saw it the last weekend.
We sit and marvel at these cannabis events.
I don't know anything else in the world that could bring the most diverse, crazy, different on the spectrum group of people.
I mean, we had every kind of person at that event and everyone was like just vibing on a whole different.
I mean, I know many of you have probably seen it if you've been, you know, in the cannabis community.
seen it if you've been you know in the cannabis community and granted you know things have changed
a lot since corporate cannabis has has you know even here in california the events these days
are nothing like the days the old days um but that's again because of the the power the power
structures change that we've seen with quote unquote legalization.
But nonetheless, you get what I'm saying. I think, I think that that is the key is that when, when we all realize we all have an endocannabinoid system,
no matter what, even animals, you know, where they're, that alone is something for us to look
at and kind of scratch our heads. And maybe that's
what we unify under. Maybe that's why nature wrote it and embedded it into our genetic code
so we wouldn't forget that that was the key to getting us all back together and creating a beautiful future.
Guys, they can't write this narrative of doom and gloom unless there's a threat of the opposite.
Where does that idea even come from if the opposite doesn't exist, right?
We live in a world that there's duality to everything.
So I kind of find that funny sometimes. It's like they're really telling
us, they're really telling us how to do it. We just got to pay attention.
Like you said, events like we just got to go to, you know, knowledge brought a bunch of us there
because a bunch of us are already in the industry. But music brought a bunch of us there because a bunch of us are already in the industry
but music brought a bunch of people there too i love that in a moment of music music also
brings people together good point yeah all your spirits are like you know it's this moment
in all my travels where i got to walk out and of all the people to see on stage, Neil Young walks out with a guitar and a harmonica.
Neil, there's like 30,000 people out in the crowd.
Nothing but one man, a guitar and a harmonica.
Frequency, it's all coming down.
It always has been frequency, yes.
At one point, it's just him and a harmonica.
It's beautiful.
And all these souls as one, like as one.
And that's the power right there.
Like, so that's one of the reasons I was saying, you know, we need to also maybe to help raise more awareness, get more people behind it.
Those kind of things.
Find these places where we come together with unity.
And because there was so much love where we were,
when we were there at the hemp stock,
like that was something that was just prevalent everywhere,
you know, amongst everybody.
And I thought that was beautiful.
And, and, and use these kinds of events and these kinds of formats to share
that message of togetherness and that message of how we can, you know,
stand together and use a voice together.
And that way, when the 12 go to Congress, maybe they've got signatures of 12 million behind them,
because that's surely going to make more sway even than they would if they were there just by themselves.
Not saying they wouldn't make sway by themselves, but everything we can do to back them, to build it, to raise awareness, you know, so that more people know that what we're talking about is farm to home stuff.
We're not talking, you know, there's a great conversation to be had about consumables, medical, CBD, all that.
CBD, all that. But there is a larger conversation to be had on the industry, on the reshaping of
the way we've built our civilization. The homes are healthier. The process to build the homes
are healthier. The environment when the home is done is healthier and it's healthier for
generations. And it's helping everything from the soil you planted the plant in to the ozone layer
to the atmosphere to all of the things and so that's why I think you know like we use these
events we use the format and we show people what we're talking about and that again like we said
that together in these moments when we're all together, that's when we have our greatest voice and just get some backing for these people so that by the time you go to take the 12 up there, if there's 12 million behind them, they're going to get heard.
You know what I mean?
That's step two.
That's step one is you decide on on who's going to go.
And step two is you get 12 million Americans to to back them.
We all plant hemp the day you guys go. Well, you know, I have not heard a worse idea.
heard a worse idea. I mean, I haven't heard a better idea in a long time, but the truth is,
and this is kind of foundational to what you're saying, is that the cannabis culture is the global human culture. We're a legitimate spiritual entity that has been marginalized by racism and competition and greed and avarice, but that binge is unsustainable. And now we see the brick wall
that we're headed for as a result of it. And so it's important for the contemporary cannabis culture to breathe life into the thousands of years and the countless000 years, who knows how things would have turned out if there was no cannabis, I think I can pretty much guess. I think it would be a lot worse, but we're headed back in to that dysfunction because other influences have have filled the void that was left for the last 90 years.
that was left for the last 90 years.
And that's what we have to understand is how to,
how to transcend that, not, not,
um, just, uh,
willingly be herded into endless debate that the, the whole point of being a cannabis activist isn't isn't activism
it's it's ending the need for activism agreed and i i'm at that point where i'm i'm done asking for
permission i think that it's that's where we've got to all collectively get to, because at what point do we stop asking for permission to survive? That's literally what this is.
essay that I posted in the federal building during my, my tax trial. Um, the limit of law
asks that question. Oh, I got another question. Yeah. And then let Amy speak. Cause I think
she wants to say something. Oh, absolutely. Um, do you need to go first on it no go ahead okay um so you do video stuff what do you think of the idea
of trying to create um because you know we know that there's a hint for victory out there we know
that you know everybody's in the media what about creating some i don't know something a new telling
of the story a new um so a, I hate to use the term
like cult classic, but you know what I mean? Like the idea of making our own opposite of
reefer madness, something that actually does bring together.
There's so many good films. I don't even know.
Have you seen cannabis versus climate change?
I have to be honest. I have not yet.
Well, I think that's what you're looking for.
I already did it.
Well, there we go.
But if that doesn't do it,
then there's return to reason,
which I made when I was in Europe,
traveling through France and Switzerland
and Belgium and Holland with a camera
in a convertible.
You know, at HWP World, you bring up a great point,
and I bet you that if you took all the top best documentaries
and put them into an AI and asked it to, you know,
you kind of really get specific about what kind of message and feel you want
viewers left with um I bet you it could you know at least give you like a a piece piece together
from all the films uh presentation that would you know maybe that's a start um I mean I think
it's always great for new documentaries, but at the end of
the day, you know, like urgency, urgency is, is key. And I think like, we've really, we've got to
start looking at the, the audience, like who is really, who is our target audience for,
Who is our target audience for, you know, and I get that it's everyone, but like, if we crack our, you know, our pitches to specific groups that, you know, hold powers to be whatever, if this is what the route we're going, I mean, it just seems to me like that's where we lack. We kind of, as a community or industry here, at least in the U.S., it seems.
I think I'm more thinking of a, like, you know, I hate to, I don't know.
Remember the movie How High?
But something with a little more purpose.
Because everybody, you know, it was really culturally.
Oh, you're, okay.
Friday, I think.
But something that's more industrial focused yeah more well just more because if you're not into it you're not going to watch a documentary
but if you took and made it something where it's like say how high but in the middle of that you
know he's still telling you all this actually pertinent stuff. And in the end, there was a real place you could go to
to do something about it. I don't know. That's just a thought, you know, like we have these
outlets, but they're not utilized that same way. And I'm like, well, man, you know, because if you
could get something that speaks to the masses and they don't even understand what they're really,
you know, watching completely, They're just enjoying a movie.
They're enjoying something funny. They're enjoying something cool. But at the same time,
they're walking out going, yeah, man, what they were talking about. I mean, I know that's making
light of it, but it still gives them something. Everybody's going to be talking about the movie.
Well, then everybody's talking about the idea and the concept. And what if, you know, like,
you're talking the documentary, and I get that. But, what if there was like, I'm sure that your documentary and I apologize that I haven't seen yet has some kind of backing so that once somebody watches it, they can follow links to resources and contribute, make a difference.
So what about doing that on a more media, people consumable medium.
Does that make sense?
Am I explaining that?
I just posted Return to Reason, the little 10-minute film that I made.
I think the point is, Paulie, if you're a film, you can already tell,
film you can already tell like you can tell that it's it's not a new film it's an older film
like, you can tell that it's not a new film.
It's an older film.
so maybe he's talking about reaching like the next generation with something that's more
um on their level i i kind of get where he's going with that but the the points that you make in your
film are really the most like you i think of all the films I've ever seen, you know,
yours really break down the,
the urgency and the science behind how it's affecting climate or,
and could heal and reverse climate change. To me, that's like, you know,
that's like the next level that no one else really has,
has connected the dots on.
Well, return to reason is more of a nuts and bolts perspective on the on the European hemp industry in the early 2000s.
They were, you know, 20 years ahead of where we are now, you know, and, and I documented it in
order to just show people what could be our reality. And it, you know, they're running their
tractor on hemp seed oil and, and, uh, making, you know, dozens of products out of the plants.
And, um, it almost sounds like you could do like a whole Simpsons, like a Simpsons, dozens of products out of the plant.
It almost sounds like you could do a whole Simpsons cartoon. It could be called Return to Reason
even, but like a show.
You could probably make a really funny cartoon series
or something. I also do
editorial illustration.
I think you've seen some of my cartoons.
And it is a very effective way to communicate.
And I'm open to collaboration.
You know, if people want to make cartoons or films
or, you know, podcasts or, you know,
public speaking tours, I'm available.
You know, my son is graduating from high school today.
And so.
Congratulations, Dad.
Good job.
My baby just graduated last week.
Oh, gosh.
Well, congratulations to you.
Such a beautiful child. Both your children are so beautiful. Oh, gosh. Well, congratulations to you. Such a beautiful child.
Both your children are so beautiful.
Oh, they are.
I love the pictures that you sent.
One is much more well-behaved than the other, though.
Of course.
Of course.
What did you think would happen?
See, that's why I only had one.
One perfect dumpling. That was was it and you're done yeah no he uh rio came along when i was 51
you know i was i caught the last boat to fatherhood um and I'm about to turn 70. So, you know, him turning 18 is really cool.
And me turning 70 is even cooler, but, um, you know, in another month, I'm going to be
diving for gold in the rivers of Oregon. So that's my retirement. Oh, I'll have a hookah rig.
That's my retirement.
Oh, that sounds so cool.
Oh, I'll have a hookah rig.
So I'll be able to stay underwater for hours on end without coming up to the surface.
Just getting back to where nature saturates you when you're in the water.
all the way through to your bone marrow and beyond the the the spiritual dimensions of
underwater existence are as um transmissive as water is in yeah we're all warm from your body in water yes it just draws the
warmth right out of your body well it it fills you with spiritual warmth though and it it's a
really a two-way street it's really fun i can't wait to get back to it. Well, that's, that's good to hear. So you'll be traveling
without your, um, hemp leaves. How are you going to get your leche verde? Do you need me to send
you some juice Tiva? Well, yes, it's always more fun than no. Um, so yes. And also, I mean,
I know a lot of people who grow cannabis. Oh, you can get it along the trail?
I can go visit.
Oh, good for you.
Well, I just want to...
I bring a lot of...
Go ahead.
I bring a lot of different healing modalities with me.
I'm also a holistic pulsing is a very healing process that a lot of people will benefit from.
And that's just part of my market development and product development with cannabis is tying it to other healing modalities that complement it.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
That was my start to my journey is using it, using it and
healing capacity and sharing it with others. But if anyone, I know we didn't even really
get into, we touched on the nutritional aspects in the beginning this morning, but I have a lot of Juicetiva right now.
I have a couple pounds of it available.
And if anyone wants to order smaller, I can put it in a smaller amount if you like.
But it is so incredible, you guys, to get acidic cannabinoids in your body.
Again, these, these are the cannabinoids that are only found in the, in the raw vegetative plant.
So, you know, there's some amazing, amazing research by Dr. William Courtney and many others that he cite on his website,
cannabisinternational.org. He's one of the premier medical experts and researchers that did a lot of
work decades ago into the raw plant and its therapeutic use. But just as a nutritional,
and it's therapeutic use. But just as a nutritional, I hate to even call it a supplement because it
should be, again, this is essential nutrition. You have an endocannabinoid system. So your body
is literally going to rejoice when it gets these cannabinoids in it. But the CBDA content is really high in this. It's 100% hemp leaf
juice powder. I know the owner, it's grown here in California. It's organic. He's developed a
proprietary method for flash freezing the plant right in the field and then kind of pulverizing it into a
powder so he can preserve those acidic cannabinoids. And I'll tell you what an amazing difference it
feels to have the raw juice in your body. I can't explain it, but a lot of people say their anxiety levels drop.
I feel very grounded, but you get a very steady supply of energy.
It's just great.
I highly recommend it.
And the other thing I love about it is I can give it to my kids who aren't really the biggest fans of vegetables.
And I'm always stressed, you know, prior to having
this product, I was always worried, you know, like they're not getting, they're not getting
all their minerals and vitamins and dah, dah, dah, that, you know, just giving them crappy
gummy vitamins is, I know, not going to cut it. This is a way to really deliver complete
essential nutrition in conjunction with hemp seeds. I recommend to give,
give your kids hemp seeds, but, um, this product is really amazing. It's, I, I'm just so delighted
that, um, he developed it because so many of us don't have access, right. To just go juice the
plant. We don't have a garden handy or we're not near, um, enough of a supply to do that. So it really,
uh, is a game changer nutritionally. So I highly recommend it. DM me if you're interested.
Are you a supplier? Yeah. I, he gives me a wholesale discount. So, um, I, I don't really,
it's not much, it's a little cheaper than the website, but really I'm trying to find some company. I'm trying to that are already selling a powder formula that's water soluble.
This is a great additive.
Well, Milan, you know, if your friend is open to contacting me,
I think I can turn him on.
You know Chris, Chris Boucher.
You know what?
He planted the first fiber hemp crop in california in 1994 you know i've never met him but um we've crossed paths you guys are chips off
the same block he's yeah oh for sure he's a total brother yes but the thing is um i haven't been in
touch with him for for probably a decade or two
i will gladly connect you but if you've got you know any sales potential sales leads or whatever
that you you know well the product development that he's already um completed the initial step in making Lecce Verde
much more
available. It's available worldwide now.
Yeah, it's amazing.
Well, see, Lecce Verde
is just a matter of combining
the other parts. I know, I know.
Paul, you're such a
purist.
He's already produced, though. He's already produced, though.
He's already produced the first rendered product.
And so combining that with the other parts of the plant is just, you know, step two and three.
So his product line could not only increase, you know, his production and profitability,
but it would also increase the healing capacity for his products.
Yes, I agree. I think up until this point, it seems to me he's been more focused on trying to just get it out to he really wants to get it out as an ingredient for other.
That's kind of his business approach. You know, you want to talk about other possible ideas.
Go for it. I feel like I've i've exhausted myself in that case but anyway
okay um no i that's an interesting point that you make up though and um the other thing i love about
the powder and the and hemp seeds of course is that we can drop them in in areas where like war zones and places where people are starving.
Oh, yeah.
Much easier than any other food source.
You know, you can literally drop a sack of hemp seeds that it's a lot easier to get in somewhere to feed people with that than it is, you know, perishables or all these other ridiculous, you know,
it's not ridiculous, but just things that seem to be very inefficient and energy consuming,
you know, ways to deliver food relief. Yeah. I mean, flour, you know, I mean,
flour for gosh sakes. Well, sometimes people can't cook. I mean, you can't just eat flour.
I just think hemp seeds have this unique ability to, you know, solve that problem in many ways.
Because if you're dropping something, they can literally grab in their hands and eat the second they get it.
You know, versus...
And it's complete nutrition.
It's not just flour.
You don't have to, you know, that and water will keep people alive.
I've been writing about you know, hemp seed and
bud joints, um, would be an effective remedy for, uh, that type of, uh, social contagion.
Because if you start dropping bud joints on people who are fighting,
they'll stop fighting.
You know, that's just,
that's just historically been,
been born out in places like Vietnam where the soldiers there, you know,
you either had the alcoholic soldiers or the guys who smoked pot.
And, you know, the behavioral differences were obvious.
But that is a strategy for social engineering that hasn't been tried.
And it is almost certain to succeed.
is almost certain to succeed.
Well,
I think we've
tried to solve
every problem on the planet today
with hemp somehow.
If anyone else wants to
chime in or add anything
otherwise, I think I'm going to close up.
I am going to close because I've been on here, but I appreciate all the convo today.
Thank you so much for staying along, all of us.
Oh, it's been captivating.
No joke.
I've enjoyed every moment of it.
Still got responsibilities in the world. You know what I mean?
So thank you again for hosting the space and inviting me in.
Thank you, Paul, for being here.
Thank you, everybody else, for all we all do, man.
It takes a trial.
Yeah.
I hope you'll all join me Sunday at 10 a.m.
Pacific time with Harry Hemp at Build With Hemp for the Natural Build Guild. We are there every Sunday and it's
a really great space with tons of natural building experts on there sharing their experiences,
their latest developments, and giving all kinds of great free expert advice on natural building.
natural building. So we'd love to have those of you in the space here today. Please join us
on Sundays as well. I'll be here again next Friday at 10 a.m. and we'll be sharing the
healing of the nations to the nations. Thanks, everyone.
