What's going on welcome to the space today, I hope you guys are doing well welcome to this
Innovating through the bull market or through the bull run space and welcome by and hosted by I love monster and many others here today
Yeah, yeah, just I guess we're waiting on everybody else to get in Xcosa co ex co-host is here
Helping host the space as well, and yeah, what's going on guys?
What's good everyone how you doing?
Hey Cal so I couldn't talk them for some reason I'm like I'm working how's everyone doing
Doing good here and yourself. Yeah, good. Thank you
Awesome well, I guess let's just go ahead and kick it off. I think we have a lot of people coming through
Yeah, yeah, so let me see we got a couple others requesting up
Let Xcos do your thing Liam. What's going on man today? How we feeling today in the love monster universe, man?
Feeling good feeling good. It's after my first face
I don't know if there's a mixture of nerves there or if I'm excited what it is
But yeah, I'm here with let's get this going and talk with all these people today. How about yourself dude?
I'm doing amazing today on this fine day. We also obviously Bitcoin's doing really healthy today. So that's
Pretty exciting stuff there. So yeah, let's just go ahead and kick it off
Let's you know start with you Liam to give some
Brief introductions here and let's just go ahead and do that and we'll pass the mic through
And kind of you're you're kind of journey through the space
Cool. Okay. So yeah, my name's Liam. I'm the founder and CEO of love monster
I've been in crypto since 2013 and building games and apps for the past 14 years
Yeah, what we're going from the likes of Dan Bilzerian the Kardashians meet Mills French Montana all those different type of high-level clients
And yeah for the past two and a half years, we've been building love monster
Incredible so you I see the name drops man. I see you. I see what you did there
Let's let's keep rotating here
Vayner what's up, man? Are you is a Vayner chain? Is that what it is a V Gary V?
It is that explain that to us right there
They are no relation to Gary V
My name is Travis. I do the BD and communications at Vayner
We are an L1 for the billions in the entertainment space. We just launched our
Testnet a couple weeks ago. So I have a couple campaigns going on galaxy velocity and some others and gearing up for mainnet
Awesome sounds like you have some pretty exciting things down the road there. Let's pass it off to layer 1x, man
Let's there's a lot of layers out there. So please explain these layers to us layer 1x
Yeah, thanks for having us my name is Cody I'm the chief experience officer at layer 1x
layer 1x is a next-gen layer 1 that is fully decentralized blockchain that's looking to transform the web 3 experience and
We're basically doing this because of our proprietary technology called x top x talk. Excuse me. I can't talk today
it's a bridge-less interoperability and
We feel that interoperability is a very overused cliche word these days in crypto
Can be in a lot of different thing for us x talk is not only about transferring assets, but also data and logic
freely across EDM and non EDM chains natively
So our ethos is is that we're not here to compete with other chains. We're actually here to unite them and
Basically what we're trying to do for data is what they killing did for payments
so we're looking forward to share some of our innovations that we're doing and
Excited to dive into the conversation. Thanks for having us. No doubt. That sounds pretty exciting
Bridge-less it sounds very innovative exactly
well with this space is all about innovating through the bull run as things progress and
Things happening it popping off in the space amplify HQ. What's going on? Welcome to the space
Let us hear a little bit more about you
And I gotta quit walking through my daughter's room because she has like little kids songs playing in her room
So let me exit that room amplify. What's going on? Give a quick introduction
Hey, how's it going? Are you sure it's your daughter's room or is it just your guilty playlists that you're playing in the background?
That's what I always know comment. No comment
So, yeah, so I'm the founder of amplify amplify is basically using AI and ML and to optimize defy yields
So generating high stable yields across multiple protocols simultaneously or the rebalancing all that sort of thing
Myself I've been an investor in the space since 2017 been working in the space since 2019
Previous head of growth for a number of different companies in the game five or WA defy layer one space as well
So yeah, I really really pumped to be here. This is my sort of first-time project as a founder
So yeah, thanks for having me
Absolutely high yields always is interesting to learn more about thanks for the introduction spicy capital time to get spicy right now
Give us a quick spicy introduction
Yo, what is up, man? What is up? This is shibzi Baker behind the account CMO over here. Thanks for having us up, man
Big shout out to love monsters, man. They've been supporting our account for a while now. They're always
Commenting like in the stuff. I see it in notification man. So big love and thank you for having us as a guest
But yeah, we are spicy capital also known as SC group
We're a BC fund in the crypto space looking for new and upcoming projects everything from infrastructure
L1 L2s to gaming to our WA and
We're definitely looking into some decentralized applications as well
Definitely bullish on Bitcoin not just a token but what people are building over there as well, man
We're getting a lot of traction for people building on Bitcoin and blast as well
So, you know, we're here for we're here for the vibes
To see who's building what and to network as well at the end of the day, you know, maybe you
Friends make new relationships and keep them moving from space to space. Yeah. Thank you again. Appreciate you guys. Yeah, no doubt
I mean, yeah relationships and network and that's what the space is all about as well as you know, we love the tech
Let's be real. We love the tech
Jesper what's going on? Welcome to the space
Co-founder of a couple different platforms there. Give us a little introduction and insight of what you're up to you
That's right, it's really good to be here everyone. Thanks so much for the invite and yeah
I see this is a really strong space here. That's right. I co-founded panoptic panoptic back next yz
Which is a options protocol decentralized permission list Oracle free build on top of units. What be three
Definitely feel free to go check that out ask me any questions you might have about that
Not currently on the team day-to-day
But I am now co-founder of sci-fi
PSI fi so if you go to sci-fi dot app, you can check that out. This is a we're still in sort of semi-stealth
Now it's now it's definitely out there in the on this space which which is exciting
But if you go it's basically the the Venmo and Robin Hood moment for crypto
Seriously answer the question of how we're gonna onboard the next billion users into this space and just grow this space
Even more so we're just gonna simplify that's gonna be the niche
Just simplify the experience for non-crypto users to come in and create like a really strong payment system
So really happy to be here
Sounds very transformative. I see in your buy your PhD
So if you want a small if you want to follow non smooth brains, you might want to check out Jesper there for the plug
So Alejandro, what's going on, man? What are you up to today? Give us a quick introduction
And yeah, I'll pass the mic to you
Hey love monster, thank you again for having me in the space. My name is Alejandro
I'm the senior community manager at big grit. We're another AI and wet three play
So I see you amplify and I would love to speak with you after this
so basically what we do is
We are we have been in data science since 2017
The company was founded by two japanese co-founders
And they have of course been in this in that field, you know through and through for quite a number of years
Wait before chachi ppt was on the scene and the the current narrative and the hype
So the team is full of data scientists. They know what they're doing
And uh, we have our platform set up very much right now in a web 2 version of kaggle
for those who don't know what kaggle is kaggle is a
One of the largest data science competition platforms out there essentially what happens that data scientists come together they compete
And whoever gets in the first second third place respectively gets, you know, uh usd cash prizes
So what we're doing is we're saying wait a minute. We don't want to be the next kaggle
Uh, we see that there are issues with payments when it comes to competitions ending and there's also an issue with centralization AI
So what we want to do is create a financial wrapper to wrap it around our day our
Uh AI competitions and also later this year release a decentralized API marketplace essentially
What is the antithesis to what open AI is building which is very ironically closed AI not open
So, uh, yeah, we're moving full steam around that we have our ido coming up at the end of the month
um, so it's just been non-stop marketing non-stop building and uh, yeah, the token is going to be bgr and we're just
Going full throttle. So uh, love to hear about
You know other projects are doing similar stuff with AI and another one that just heard from jesper with bringing the 1 billion
Happy to uh be in the space and work with you all
Absolutely connections are being made that again is what the space is all about
Um, I see somebody else's request. We got a couple requests up there
But I think we're pretty much dialed in or yeah
At least the the space is being a little bit buggy
But let's go ahead and kick off the first question and keep it moving
Thank you guys so much for those brief introductions
So tell me what are emerging trends or technologies that you guys believe in that will define this bull run and why?
And uh, what do you think will be the primary drivers of this innovation in the industry?
Actually, let's just start with that first question because that's what's kind of loaded. Uh, leum
Do you want to kind of take this one here real quick?
So let's go again. So what what emerging trends of technology believe will define the bull run
Um, or could it be odd because I know you're an art guy
Yeah, so obviously for our point of view
Like it's we're obviously heavily focused on gaming but also not just gaming like bringing in other ways that
We can I don't know expand our ecosystem to tap into other markets such as defi and gamefi gamble file all that
So like really we're focused heavily on
Uh the gamefi side of things
Yeah, awesome awesome, I see uh vayner you had your hand up there you want to go ahead and and i'll pass the mic to you
Yeah, I kind of grew I think gaming's gonna be a big one
I know that you know, it's one that's often talked about
I still see it as an emerging trend and some of this can really take a lot of focus this next market. Um, just with so much
Actually coming to market, you know, I felt like last market
It was a lot of white papers and here's what we're gonna do
And now this market you had a lot more actual product out there
So so I see that and then I also think there's gonna be a lot around rwa's
Um, I think we see, um, you know more emphasis and more focus on that
Even from sovereign states and regulations around it
Which will really kind of open that industry up, um to start kind of exploring and diving into a whole other market segment
Um, that's not currently here
Awesome. Awesome. Uh, so what's an rwa for the smooth brains?
Real world assets so it can be you know, precious metals. It can be real estate. It can be gyms
It can be different commodities
Um, basically tangible kind of goods in that sense
Exactly that yeah, that's that's the goal of the mission there. I love to hear it. Uh, layer 1x or uh,
Alejandro i'm not sure which one was first but i'll pass the mic to one of you
Yeah, so, um, I think the biggest play of this
I mean arguably the bull run that we're in
Is going to be the user experience and user interface. Uh, and the reason why is also because of the passage of the bitcoin etfs
So I think that people that dabble in etf side will want to also look to see like if they're traditional finance people
Want to see what there is in the web3 space
So it only makes sense that that's that more important this coming cycle
Um, and like everyone else said gaming, uh, I mean i'm biased because personally i'm a gamer
I'm playing a hell lot of hell divers
And uh, you know i'm bullish on web3 gaming and of course ai because ai has been so big
Uh since you know, basically chat gbt in terms of the hype
Um, and there's just so many projects out there like the grid amplify and others that are just building on this to
Really create these decentralized version of ai that helps to benefit everyone
So it makes complete sense for everyone to be able to benefit from ai and not just a few of those silicon valley players
Couldn't agree more like what you said about earlier. It's actually closed ai is what it feels like. Um, layer one, uh, what's good?
Yeah, I definitely agree gaming real world assets are going to be there
For us we kind of feel that digital identities is going to be another big one
That's going to start taking shape a little bit more especially as uh, interoperability is the other one
That's going to come into play for us
um, obviously we're we're kind of biased towards that just because that's our bread and butter but um
You know, we we feel that as soon as uh
We can create a seamless integration where it doesn't even matter the chain that you're on
Um from a user experience standpoint, that's when we're going to all start succeeding
um and and seeing a lot more adoption and growth is this one we can we can the user doesn't even need to know
Pretty much what chain they're on. They just know that they come to a
Application they access the blockchain and they're good to go
Yeah, that's the ultimate goal for sure is just to have everything running under the hood for sure. Um spicy. What's good? What's uh
Let's pass the mic off to you
No, for sure, man, i'm i'm definitely looking forward to bitcoin and as a gamer
I'm obviously looking forward to the gaming angle for things man. That's uh something i'm definitely
Definitely excited about uh when it comes to bitcoin i'm looking forward to what's being built on there
Just because everything that we have now all the uh alts that's been built all the extra layer one layer twos
Has been built since bitcoin has been proved that the blockchain works
It's been proved that our industry is real. It's been proved that we can actually do things we can send everything from the financial
Um, well, we can send everything from finance to
To contracts we can send everything from contracts to data. We can talk on chain
We can speak on on an app called block scan or blockchain and it will come up on the blockchain, you know
we can do loads of different things and um
Building all these infrastructures and things that it just proves that the interoperability is real
Right. It is real and I feel now with bitcoin the conversations i've been having especially with people that are bringing out some things as startups
They've seen what's been happening in ethereum. They saw what mattik and uh
And and other chains were able to do for ethereum
They saw what salana was able to do and now that is going to bring it over to bitcoin
And this is going to be like a freaking haven over there. So
Definitely looking forward to to the bitcoin angle of things not just price, you know pumping
It's also what's being built there. And um, I think that's going to be really really exciting
and uh, definitely also looking forward to
The gaming angle of things man, you know video games, uh on the blockchain video games incorporating crypto technology
All that kind of stuff super super pumped for that super excited to see what's going to be coming from these games
Incorporating nft digital assets trading on chain all that kind of stuff
I think it's going to be really really cool
The first thing that probably got me hyped about it was just the idea that my assets will be on chain
You know, they're never going to disappear. They never don't never go they'll always be here
And you know, I I know that we are all especially me waiting for that moment
Waiting for that moment where we can play one game click a button and we take that character into another game
You know that day will come no one no one knows when
But um, eventually it will and you know, we'll look back at spaces like this and be like, you know, we've come a long way
Um, so whenever that will happen, I don't think it's gonna happen. Obviously this bull run. I think it's way too early
We're still like freaking alpha stages of every game being launched, but
Eventually that will come so, you know, uh here for the long run for sure
Absolutely, and it sounds like you're saying bitcoin is going to be the primary driver of this bull run in terms of technology
Ironically enough and I do think I to your point like the provenance and and and it's important as well
And there's so many different factors and so many things happening over there in bitcoin land pretty exciting stuff and I like what uh,
Alejandro said about AI couldn't agree more
It's like we're at a convergence point right now of all these technologies
Converging into one and including gaming and allow, you know giving control back to the gamers and what have you?
But yeah, like how can companies sustain the pace of this innovation?
Achieve during the bull run when the market eventually shifts
So let's kind of shift gears and kind of flip the script on you guys a little bit
How can all this, you know piece of this innovation really sustain for when the market starts to either slide or shift?
Uh curious jesper. I I think you had your hand up actually previously. Let's go ahead and go to you
Yeah, no, yeah, and I just wanted to say I definitely agree on the user experience front in in general because
This is this is the time now where I think it just in general
The sentiment is shifting right like we we won in the courts on the bitcoin ETF. We're gonna win for the etf
Who knows when not super bullish on the may?
In any event now we need to actually win over people who are not in this crypto space
Right and and come in because as was mentioned earlier
On the panel as well as like, you know, we have a huge uh ETF inflow and that's also a signal
Um of people just not knowing how to enter the space, right?
That's that's why there's been such a strong inflow
But also the fact that senators can create anti-crypto armies and literally call it that
Is is like a real issue, right? Because that that's just insane
That even that wording can be used and people kind of seem to be like I guess uh, yeah
I guess I can support that
You know, that's because people don't know what this is people don't know that this industry is in their best interest
so what we need to do is just
Really win the hearts and soul of people across the world and and and really onboard them to crypto and that's our job
Um, so we need to amp up, um kind of the marketing efforts right globally and a big way of doing that is saying
When you enter the crypto space you're not gonna
Decrease in your user experience from what you're used to right because essentially right like fintech
Over the past decades have created a really good ecosystem
Um for for sending money for buying and so on but it's like putting lipstick on a pig, right?
It's not a it's not it's not a really great solution because all running on like really bad old financial rails
Let's actually take where fintech left off all that great user experience and just port it over to crypto over the blockchain
And keep innovating from there and make it way way better
Because fintech was limited by those rails themselves by the way, right but we can go much further
But it's important to kind of just like uber is not talking about like hey, we're running on aws servers
That's why you should use us the users are like I don't really care
But I actually just want to go from a to b in the same way we need to talk to people about what are the benefits
Why should you come in here? Not that it's this or that we love the jargon
Look, I love the jargon like anyone else and I love all this cool tech
But and we should keep innovating in that space 100 percent
But it's like when we talk to non-crypto people and we want to onboard more people and we want to win globally
We need to just say what or what can we do for you?
And there is a tone we can do for people, but we just need to to win them over
Yeah, I totally agree and I love what uh, you know, you even know coinbase, uh, how are you feel about them?
They are pushing that narrative with their commercials and ads and uh, we're starting to see a little broader approach
Uh to the education part uh layer one. I think your hand was up there. Let's go to you
Oh, there was a few more ollie hondo and joel. I think we're ahead of me. Okay. Yeah, let's walk on over then
I just raised my hand you're good
The humbleness is just uh exploding in the space give it a like share and retweet by the way layer one let's pass it to you
Yeah, so, um, you know, we're we're kind of coming at it from uh from a standpoint of creating. Um
You know a new standard for a lot of different projects that are building on us
Um, because you know you take like the gaming industry for an example
They're having to do quite a bit of different things across the board, uh in terms of uh, innovation
Um, you know coding tapping into to new things marketing growing their audience
Uh that kind of stuff and a lot of times, uh, depending on the size of the company that can definitely take away from the
Uh what they do best and that's creating games, right?
And so, you know, one of the things that we're looking for is to uh, I think somebody mentioned that it would be nice to be able to take
Nft's across games and do that. Uh, we're actually doing that right now, uh with the games that are building on layer one
And so it's all about setting a standard and allowing these games to kind of tap into that standard
uh, you know, like the api sdk kind of uh libraries and things like that that that
Allow and encourage games to start minting a lot of those kind of unique
Nft's with utility and nft's with for use and other games
And that's where we'll start seeing a lot of growth and those are some of the things that we're we're focused on and
You know, like I mentioned before it's it it all boils down to just
everybody collaborating together
um and and creating that new standard or that new kind of
Community that allow people to grow and I think that's going to be a huge component moving into this next bull run
Um, because we do have the numbers we do have the strengths to to make things happen
It's just we need to kind of get out of our siloed mental states that we're in and build
Uh together rather than uh for each each project
Yeah, I totally agree and it's really just the ethos like the founding ethos of the space, right is open
And you know having these open what three and open standards, right? And so, uh,
Alejandro, I think you were next there. So let's go to you
Yeah, I just want to fall off of jesper's point, um, I mean I couldn't agree more
Uh with the whole entire importance of course of user interfacing to exchange
That's how I start off my first response and like what?
Are the most important narratives? I believe we're going to be during this bull run
Um, there is a deep end play
Um that I am following called teleport and basically what they're doing is creating a decentralized uber and everything. So
Um for those who may not be aware, you know, uh
Drivers and also passengers are being gouged for you know, the uber rides and everything
I used to be an uber driver myself and to be one now must be a complete like hellhole to be honest
Um, but what they're trying to do is even though they're running everything on the salona blockchain
The the point is is that their app itself does not have anything crypto related on it
Um, the point is they they talk that it's on the blockchain in the background under the about section
But everyone gets paid and pays with fiat
So, you know, they're still growing they only have about 2 000 members in their telegram
They're active in texas right now and again i'm contributing to the project
But I feel like they're just one of many examples right now of companies that are putting that user experience first and thinking
What do the drivers want? What do the passengers want? They probably couldn't care less about crypto
But if they are interested in it, they could find out hey, we're running on salona
We're doing this. This is how it works on the back end
But on the front end it works just exactly like uber the only difference is the drivers gain paid more and you're paying less
as a passenger so, you know, that's so important in terms of like onboarding because
Like you said before like, you know, we're in our own equi chamber
And you know, we need to start thinking if we haven't already some people of course have clearly like teleport and others
Uh to get out of our own bubbles
And be able to see what the non-cointers want in order to create more mass adoption
Yeah, absolutely, uh amplify I think you're up and then jorge after that
Sure, yeah, actually i'll use teleport at a breakpoint one year. It's great service
I think it was like very much like the mvp
But it was it was cool to see and like on that point as well
There was a case brought against the uber guys whereby they wanted to get like sick pay and everything else in uber
They lost the case and uber was like fine. We'll do it
But we're now charging you 40 per cent per trip. So like talk about the price gouging
It's insane like some of these guys don't know how they do it
Um, but just to just to sort of you know
Back up the likes of what josper was saying which is like ux and accessibility to to me
Like that's like the main area that people need to focus on
Like everyone talks about, you know onboarding the next billion users the next billion users
And I think the only way you can really do that is to make everything far more accessible, right?
So make it like a web 2 experience
Very easy to follow and that's like partially what we're trying to do
Eventually, we want to build some sort of like a mobile app like a neo banking style mobile app
And then we have a lot of people log in using a social account or a login and passwords
So they don't need to have
A metamask with you know multiple chains and different different gas fees and all the rest of it
And then the reason why we use ai and ml is basically you just choose a strategy and you start earning you don't have to move your assets
From protocol to protocol chain to chain whatever else we manage well once we we I mean the system we've built manages all of that for you
You choose a percentage yield that you want
We have different types of accounts like growth or hyper and we sort of try and maintain that within a certain
Apy so you might say eight to twelve percent
And so the system will basically rebalance the portfolio across multiple protocols to try and constantly chase that minimum api
Rather than you as an individual having to move around all the time pay gas as I said
Ensure you're like moving and bridging from one chain to another so that can be a very horrible user experience
Some people love it. Some people love chasing it. Some people love you know
Lending assets to borrow liquid staking assets and then stake that elsewhere to earn the return and another coin and
That can be very enjoyable for some people. But for most people it's a very horrible experience. Um
So we're trying to use automation automate the whole side of thing
And then like I said make everything as accessible as possible through like a easy to use user interface
Absolutely. I mean let's all face it
We all try to do the whole jup air farm and you got to loop your your your jup to this to that
And jitto soul and jitto that and yeah, it's whack, right?
So yeah, that would be optimal if we could have solutions out there, you know helping it easier for the user for sure
Jorge let's get let's go to jorge and uh, you know, let me give him a short introduction
He he's the he's the gaming strategist. He he's he's good looking. He's not as good looking as me
Let me pass the mic to jorge
Damn, i'm not as good looking. Yeah. Hey for everybody that's on this call next week. I will be at gdc
Kyle will be at gdc. I will take a picture. We will do a poll and you know what we'll figure something
I'll figure out a prize for it
I'll let the people vote who they think is the best looking web 3 gaming strategist. How about that?
Um, but anyways, thank you, uh, kyle really appreciate it
Look, I have I hear a lot of positive talk here a lot of things that could happen
What could be what can be all these things but let's be real
About where we are right now in web 3 the audience is not ready. We are not mature enough
As a as a space yet to embrace mass adoption and all these great infrastructure tools and all this great ways to to
Simplify things let's look at how d gen this community still is in web 3 god, man. We went through a bear market where
Where people were talking and screaming? Oh gaming will be gaming gaming will be gaming tokens are on the side
All of a sudden bull market came everyone forgot that gaming was going to be gaming and it's all about hey, what's the next coin?
I think we love oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. You're you're back. You're the best of my thing
Uh, yeah, sorry i'm i'm pulling into my house, but anyways, we're truly not here yet where gamers will be
We really think the technology will empower gamers. So we're still far off
So while these all these things are great
There's still a level of of of a layer that we are maybe two three years away from being able to have all these
Simplicities and all these ways that makes gaming more fun until then we're still in web 3 gaming
And if we want to break out what the web 3 gaming
I think it's a lot of technology a lot of education that needs to be at the forefront rather than the technology
Yeah, empowering educators is going to be key for sure around really the whole community right the whole web 3 crypto community
Just empowering and lifting up as much educators and education platforms as possible to get the word out
Um, let's go ahead and move over to the next question
Speaking of gaming with the potential for the increased investment in attention and gaming we're obviously seeing it play out right now
What areas of game development game development? Do you predict we'll see the most innovation?
And I think I think should we go yeah. Yeah, what's up? Pore
No, I said ai ai man like ai's taking over ai's simplifying so many things
I just got off a call about a game developer using ai in the way that they're using about it. I mean it really truly is
Revolutionary where where it's going to take us and where it's going to help us. Um, if people know how to use it
It really could simplify not only um
Just as a as almost a task management in what what they're building
But also in the environment that they're trying to build and simplifying that but I mean ai's what i'm really bullish on
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Uh vainer. Let's go to you
Yeah, I would just kind of echo that point, uh, I I agree it'll be ai in the game creation ai and player environments
um even populating, um, some of these multiplayer games and some of these single player games with
you know a whole other layer of kind of uh
Computer player and npc out there. Um, I think ai's gonna be very big
but I also think ai in the actual game creation like I
Really do believe that my you know
10 year olds will be able to concept a game in his mind
And what it looks like and eventually be able to do that himself
Just with ai through some prompts and you know how they wanted the game to look feel and play
Um, I think we're moving quickly down that road
And I think to that point right you just mentioned that your kid was able to be able to do it
I think that's what's made fortnite and all these other games really popular, right?
The ability to be able to create these maps and everything that needs to keep happening. That's that's what gamers want
That's the new era of gaming that that's where we're going, right?
Let them get empowered and let them do their own thing
So I think if ai could come in and help then then it will hopefully help our space as well
They're using ai tremendously. So yeah, I think it's a feature
Yeah, I couldn't agree more and just look at what nvidia is doing they're there I mean look at their stock
Uh, I mean their gpu's are selling out the eight. What is it? The ht?
htis or something or whatever they're called, uh, it's basically a
gigantic, you know GPU that powers ai and so
Uh, when you look at it like that, that's exactly where I think the space is going as well
Um, you even see I think as jensen wong he said it himself the ceo of nvidia where coding in the future
You know is just going to be in english meaning, you know
You just type a prompt out and then you you get an application, right?
So yeah, it's going to be interesting to see where things go and how coding is affected
When you're looking at it like that, they even had demonstrations, you know showcasing obviously the avatars and how they had their own kind of like
you know, ai modeling and llms and and what have you so
Um, yeah, yeah, I couldn't agree more. I mean there's going to be a lot of implications here
You know i've even seen applications where you are able to prompt
A a map and or like just draw or scribble actually just scribble and it would add in
Additional layers to that map similar to what we saw with photoshop where you can expand like a picture
In the ai fields and the rest of the details
So we'll may see some pretty insane stuff in the not so distant future to me
This all sounds like a little bit of persistence possibly in the future where you know
We like to say metaverse term, but really it's like until it's like persistent then then it might be
But uh, it seems like that could be something that ai might be able to solve in the future time will tell
With that being said let's go on and move over to the next question here
Can you guys share an example of a company that has successfully innovated its product or service?
Offering during a bull run and what can we learn from it?
So, uh, yeah, let's go to uh, I don't know if you're there leon, but i'd love to to hear from you
That's a great question. Um
So successful companies that have offered during a bull run
I don't know really like there's so many products and games and companies that come out during a bull run, right?
There's so many that that come they come out
They come out the woodwork and say they're going to launch a project and actually don't successfully do it. There's many that um
That's promised the world and like under deliver, right?
But there's many there's very few that uh that stick around and build through like a bear market and continue to be here
So like for us, for example, we've been here since the last bull run building through the bear
Um, and now obviously entering this new bull run or i'll be in a bull run
I don't know, but it feels like we're in one. Um, so yeah, I just
That's it. I don't know how to really answer that question
Maybe someone else can I think uh, you know, just defi products in general is a good example
I think we saw uh during the last cycle, you know defi summer really popped off hard
We saw a lot of innovation around that ecosystem
And it just enabled users obviously to swap back and forth simply and provided them a means to to get their funds across without having that
That middleman. So, uh, that's what I would say
Uh like to your point there's like outside of that
There's probably not too many examples
Like a lot of them raised a lot of cash during the bull run only to like, you know
Go into the bear market and not really do much, right?
So they're still very much in the development cycle of a lot of what's going on. Uh, layer one. Let's go ahead and pass to you
Yeah, I I think you guys made a good point like during the bull run, I mean it doesn't matter like people can throw together
Shit coin mean that has the worst graphics ever and everybody'll throw
Hundreds of thousands millions of dollars towards it, right?
Um, I I think you need to those are great
Those are fun speculative type of things if you want to get into the gambling play
But I mean if you want to see who's really doing it, right?
It's the ones that are battle tested through the through the bear market and I think that was mentioned earlier
Um, that's how you can time test and see if it's if it's a good ecosystem, right?
From what i've seen over the the couple of different cycles that i've been in
It's interesting because I mean you you find people that find a good
Project will just say defy project meme coin type of thing. They'll fork a project
Change it slap a new skin on it. Slap a new logo on it
And it's just rinse and repeat over and over and over again
And it's hard to evaluate who's doing it right and who's not
Um until the bear market really comes in so
That that's kind of how I evaluate projects and things like that
And I mean, I think it's a good thing for an investor to kind of find other
Or same project developers as we go into the next bear market
To know what's coming out and what you might be able to put your your trust into
Yeah, for sure and you know, just don't do what ftx did. Um, alejandro, let's pass it on over to you
Last point freaking luna they still have to dokwon. It's just uh, quite a quite a mystery. But anyway, um,
I yeah a very few projects really survived the last bear and the two that come to top of my head are for example
Staking on lido lido, you know has has been awesome on that front and you know, a lot of people trust them
Same idea staking with threshold dal which using this stake, uh bitcoin
Once again, it seems like when all the hype has disappeared
The simplest staking protocols that are like one two click seem to be the ones that have made it
The most now, of course, it doesn't apply to something like ftx or luna. So it's not all
Inclusive in terms of what I just said, but you know, i'm kind of tying this back into the user interface aspect
The least have to worry about this during the bear and I guess their earn interest and the least work I gotta do the better
Yeah outside of that, um, you know
I can't think of any ai plays because again the hype blew up in late 2022
Right in the middle of the bear and the same with gaming
I mean there there've been not actually infinity and there are a few gaming projects that we're building
But they have not been able to prove their worth
Until at least now the ball and we'll see if that lasts
Absolutely, uh amplify and then and then we'll have to do an intro to adam here in just a minute
Yeah, sure, I think I think
It's difficult one because in the ball. I think the whenever it moves to a new
Sector right you you will get this rush to try and how can we get as much tvl or how can we get the liquidity?
Or how can we get people on our side? I think people tend to
Innovate in crazy ways like they offer
Massive apys with these really ridiculous like panzai schemes basically to try and get as many people in as possible
Which ultimately end up being bad for the space
I think some of those ideas can be good and they can be implemented this time goes on but ultimately I think
The innovation comes, you know, probably in the bear market actually rather than the bull market itself
I think one example of what evolved in the last bull and actually evolved quite a lot was was the meme coins and the community coins and
The taxation system and how they use those taxes
Effectively, right? So you get like and people have you know dividends from it and then people had like buyback bots
So they use the tax to buy back the token and pump the price up more and all the rest of it
And that's just a really interesting way of how meme coins figured out ways to try and like make their meme coin better
And now ultimately, you know
We have a sector where like memes are massive and memes aren't going to go away
Like they are their own sort of entity now and they will be here forever more
I think I think like most of the stuff happens in the bear market and that's usually where you can tell like the real
Projects the ones who've survived that the ones who've survived any any hacks or exploitations or whatever else
Um and go on to continue building into the bull and and sort of try to ignore the noise as much as possible
We'll keep the head down and keep building, you know
Absolutely, absolutely Adam what's going on? What's good? Give us a quick brief introduction here. I know
Twitter space was trying to rig you but we successfully pulled you up. What's good. Thank you, man
Yeah, it did successfully wrote me like many times actually. I have no idea why this happens
But thank you for inviting me up. Um great conversation so far. Um, so very very briefly
I work for spark XYZ. I'm a co-founder there
We're working on some of the hardest problems in crypto payments most famous for handling the 28 million dollar portal coin ico
Um, but we're now also working with 20 more other games
Metaverse projects on their payments, uh infra and ux. Um, and I think what you guys are saying about
Um, uh kind of onboarding and ux and that being a key feature for for this bull run is totally, right?
And what we're finding at spark is that, you know, if people want to give you money and play your game
Just let them, you know, make it as easy as possible. Do not underestimate how completely lazy
Recreational gamers are um, and i'm like this like it's not quite like um, defi where people will crawl over broken glass to buy a new token
Like if they can't play easily they will get bored and they will leave. So
I think that's uh, just an important thing to to think about. Um
And I also agree to what george was saying
I think you know, we we probably won't see mass adoption this year in the kind of web2 sense
But I think we will see some great games coming through that are starting to test all these theories about play and earn and incentives for play
That we've all been talking about for the last god knows how many years now
And I think we finally have a quality of game coming through that actually makes that matter
Um, and we'll start to see teams, um experimenting with different models of that. So I think it's um
Going to be a really good year. Um, and I think the the bull market
We've seen a lot of the behavior change. Um, so a lot more focus on marketing banging out airdrop campaigns
Really teams kind of making the best they can do with the product they built in the bear
Um, and teams are also very distracted by raising money and doing token launches and all that kind of thing
So I think the teams that do well this year will be typically the teams that did survive that there
Um have been building throughout and demonstrating that resilience
Um, so i'm really rooting for that sort of founder and that sort of team because that's that's probably the hardest thing about finding a company
It's it's surviving those tough times
Um, and I hope they um kind of read the benefits this year
Awesome. Good stuff to hear what adams is saying. There's a chance and there could be a spark there pun intended over at spark
Let's go ahead and move over to the next question here
How do you think gaming companies will leverage emerging technologies to innovate and stay ahead of the curve?
During the upcoming bull run like how do you guys see this playing out in terms of the gaming space?
Leveraging these technologies. Is it going to come down to execution and who does it the best? So what's your guys's thoughts on that?
It's going to come down to the experience, right? I mean at the end of the day, it's all about the game experience
I think like if the game is not fun
Like I don't know. I don't know what people expect or what are you thinking that the consumer is going to want?
I mean consumers don't really always especially gamers in the web 2 or even web 3 space
They're getting more savvy or more understanding of you know, they're they're they're getting they're gaining experiences investors as well
It comes down to the experience and how the experience will drive and that that's how they'll see whether this is going to be something
That they want to invest in and that's going to be the bull run really that you're going to see the good the good projects
Yeah, for sure you needed a good game to go more mainstream or the attempts to right let's go over to a bainer chain
Yeah, I mean I I'd say the company's
Uh the the to stay ahead of the curve
It's again going to fall back on the ones that leverage ai and some of these the best I think
Um the the speed at which things can get done
And out of production is going to be, you know
Astronomically higher. Um, so so the ones that can leverage themselves properly into some of these new technologies
And and use them properly are going to be, you know, the most successful. I think you know, the trends move so quick
But staying ahead of some of these trends like ugc like, you know
Ai implementations and these other different things, um is going to be the big difference maker
Man, uh, yeah, I couldn't agree more and you're starting to see levels of ai like layers of this like, you know
I seen a company that that does ai here in the black chain space
They audit using ai the smart contracts and that's like just the first level, right?
That's like before you even do anything and then obviously on the back end you have ai and then obviously with the game
So there's multiple layers of how ai can you have multiple touch points along?
Uh the journey, uh, I I don't know whose hand was up first
So please moderate yourself on this one. Uh, who is next spicy? Was that you?
No, I was uh, I think it was adam and a hundred and me adam alahandro and you let's go in that order
I'll take that because mine's really quick. I think in terms of what what we'll punch through this year
Is more important than quality sometimes and I think speed plus marketing plus a narrative
Um is is going to be the games that win this year and I don't mean that in terms of people are going to launch bad games
But I think it's going to be the indie games
That you know are focusing on a really fun fast experience that don't have these kind of five-year development times
These are the ones that are going to kind of take us by surprise because we won't have necessarily heard of them
But i'm thinking of games like mega weapon. Um, you know, they're it's really fun game
They haven't really turned on the marketing tabs yet
But when they do people are going to be like holy shit
This game is actually really good to play but it's a top-down shooter
Um a little bit like brawl stars, um, and it's things like that that I think will go viral this year
The last point was really good it kind of threw a wrench into my what I was going to say, uh, yeah, I mean
With ai and everything else is happening, you know speed is just so important
I think you're absolutely correct that it's going to be built first fix later
Obviously, there's a danger of falling down into the hole where we have an axi infinity situation again, for example
Uh where it becomes basically a play to earn or that type of you know deal which obviously turns into like a giant ponzi
So that has to be a very fine balance there
But on the other hand, I would also say
That when it comes to innovating what vena are saying properly
Um is that some of these teams a lot of us are startups
We may not have the exact manpower or time to build out the proper
Usages in the video game you utilize an ai or whatnot whether it's for npc's or whether it's for you know, being able to
To create like lore for your game or something
So that would probably fall on the web2 ip's that are either out there
Um, like playstation yesterday apparently just leaked that they have patents for y3 gaming
Um to sony and others out there which uh are are still like in the darkness still working on it
And they can do it because they have that manpower because they have that so i'm not saying that indeed developers cannot make it
Obviously we see helldivers and web2 do it. We have um
Which i'm gonna call it the one where you go to the plants that pick up the trash and the garbage
Um help me out guys. What's that game that made it big last year?
something company, but anyway
Uh, but yeah, it's those games that could still be very much big breakouts and the same could apply to web3
I just don't know like unless you have a big team if you're able to do it
But if you can do it properly so that that's the keyword because maybe we'll be turned off
If if it's buggy if it's not working correctly
Absolutely, uh spicy give us some spicy alpha
So this is still just so i'm uh on the right track here
This is still on a question of how do you think gaming companies with whatever it's emerging technologies to innovate and stay ahead of the curve, right?
All right. I'm gonna take it back a little bit to web2 because lo love mus is laughing
I literally have the questions right in front of me. This is how I recite the whole thing
There is in web2. I don't know if you guys ever had this but
Did you guys ever see backbone
The remote controller for mobile phone?
Yeah, I get ads for it every day because I know I want to buy one and I probably will fork over my cash
Get it buy it like buy it i'm telling you now
Buy it this thing allows me to play xbox games and playstation games on my freaking iphone
It's not a lie. I'm able to play halo i'm able to play call of g
FIFA i'm able to play online with other people on other consoles with that controller
As long as you've got like pretty good wi-fi and a decent phone you're good
The reason I bring that up is because I don't remember who it was but someone brought up
One of the things that's really going to help us just in general with like adoption in the future. Is this an easier ui?
An easier way to to play games and to do x y and z
It's such an underrated piece of tech
backbone itself like the controller because
One thing that I don't like about mobile gaming is is this is gaming on the mobile, right?
Playing call of duty on mobile like the uh the call of duty mobile version
It's quite difficult because obviously it's very weird to get used to the controls, right?
But again, if you're a gamer play long enough you start quit scoping people by touching the freaking screen
Only a matter of time and it's
And it's never I don't you know, it will change maybe but it's not changing right now
Gaming on mobile is still probably
One of the biggest things in the world today
It's so easy. You put your phone you download a game. You're in within seconds
You can play multiplayer. You can play online
There's really good games that's out right now on mobile and web 2 and all that kind of stuff
the reason I bring that up is because
The company behind backbone like whoever the guy was or the group was that this that thought, you know, let's make it possible
For people to game online not just on mobile but cross platform. We can have mobile players play with
You know these guys we can have mobile players play with people on playstation
If you've got playstation pass you have an xbox pass you can play now if you don't have a console
It's fine. Just get backbone
$100 and like what 20 pound a month for xbox pass and I can play online with everyone else. Are you crazy?
I don't need a console. I don't need anything like that. I think the immersion technology that everyone's missing is
What's the way that we can keep it simple?
Keep it affordable for everyone where everyone can still utilize the blockchain in a gaming way
Maybe again that might not come right now because there's still things going on in the space where
We have to overcome certain hurdles to even kind of get that far
But I literally was playing when I was in denver
I was literally playing in the hotel room and I was sitting there thinking
I'm playing for the horizon
On my phone. I'm not watching the video on youtube. I'm actually playing the game
I'm playing genshin impact which is obviously on the app store as well, but you can play it on your phone via playstation store
It's it's nuts. I'm literally seeing the achievement sign come up on xbox
Do you know how I've been playing an xbox game in years, you know
How do you know how nostalgic it is to hear the achievement bubble pop up?
I got goosebumps back to when I played assassin's creed for the first time. I was like wait a minute. I'm unlocking
Achievments when was the last time you played a game in web 3 that gave you achievements?
25g achievement bang a lot campaign 1 done or whatever it was like I was like yo, this is taking me back
And it's not just the backbone, but it's what the backbone was giving me that nostalgic memory
We're all here for the technology. We're all here for this all this good stuff
but the thing that kept us gamers is
That that element of I want to go home and complete the next mission
I want to go home and do this
I want to go and play with friends so we can you know squad up and ghost recon or we can squad up and call a
G and and complete x y and z and this now allows me to play with friends. That's sort of an xbox friends
I still have a playstation and I just have a mobile phone
So I think if we or when I say we the smart guys that are devs
Eventually cook up a way where we can again keep it simple
Integrate with different video games in the web 3 space
And use it as an immersion tech but long run. It doesn't need to be something that comes out tomorrow
It's just something that possibly could be worked on marketed correctly because look a backbone's a hundred dollars and I get this
This entire experience probably the best hundred bucks I've spent in gaming history in my life
Man you make a you you should apply to be the ceo of that controller, but uh, yeah, I totally agree
I mean not reinventing the wheel just improving what's already there and making it better who would have thought it's almost like we're improving web 2
And making it better in a sense as well
Alejandro, let's go to you and then uh, we're getting close to the top of the hour
Yeah, so i was gonna say the joy of getting the achievements
Uh, as I mentioned earlier i've been playing a ton of hell divers too and just seeing that steam achievement pop up with its
quirky little thing it's just like it gives you a good laugh and
Obviously i'm the same way i'm like, okay, I want to get all 32 or whatever many of these
So, you know somewhat three games have done it
But it requires you to leave the game to mint the the achievement and having your wallet
So anyone that could do it
That mints the achievements automatically like you're on the xbox like you're on steam as an nft and puts it in the gamers wallet
Automatically, I think that's fantastic. And yeah
Something as small as a little sound the chime brilliant. So there you go
million dollar ideas right there
Probably multi-million in the grand scheme of things obviously, uh, but let's circle back around the table
Let's go ahead and speaking of games and mobile games. I know a founder
His name is liam and he has mobile games. Uh, do you want to do you want to give us a little outro here?
Uh and kind of tell where people how they can stay connected to you
And your mobile game and obviously thank you everybody for coming out today in the audience
By the way, please share like comment subscribe and turn on notifications for more liam. What's good?
Not much man. Oh, yeah, so you can follow. Um, obviously play love monster and my personal account is I am liam love
but um, I just wanted to say what uh shop you were saying about the
The back one of things really cool. Um, obviously we're coming out now with our desktop version
Something we're trying to do is enable players to play whether it's desktop mobile stay connected and also like the missions
That's another thing that we've integrated into our games achievements
And it all ties in well with our play for a drop campaign, which is currently running
But yeah, that's it from me. Um, thanks everyone for joining today
Awesome. Awesome. Good to hear
Let's go to vayner here and and we'll just go circle through the lift
Yeah, yeah, no awesome conversation awesome space today, thanks so much for having us um
But uh, yeah follow us along turning notifications. We got a telegram group everything else
We are in a test net right now. So we get some test net stuff going on with galaxy
Velocity ray and a few others and a lot of exciting announcements coming out here over the next week or so
If anyone will be at gdc, I will be down there. I heard Jorge will be there
Um, i'll be at the wolves den a little bit hanging out there and then around the conference and everywhere else
So if you're gonna be there just holler at me and would love to link up with any and everyone web 3 for the web 3
Awesome, will you be so are you gonna be wearing your vayner shirt? Is that how we holler at you?
Best way would be to send a dm here. Uh, my personal account is blue collar crypto
Um, if if anyone is familiar with that one as well, but um, yeah a dm would probably be best
I'd like to say i'll be wearing a vayner shirt the whole time. But um, you know
Probably have a few different outfits. Yeah, leave it up to the gg space. We're like, yeah, come meet me at gdc
But you're not gonna know who I am
Gotta love it gotta love it
Jorge, uh, let's go to you real quick
I'm excited map for the wolves den house. I'm excited for the mix mob love monster nyan hero's house
That is that house to be at gdc. It is that house that's got
Yo, your favorite ko wells ko wells will be there. So we got bryson. We got hustle
We got hazel martinez. You got we got kyle wilson. You got me. You got leon. You got man
It's a stacked house. That's what i'm excited for
So if you don't know about the mix mob love monster nyan hero house
Well, guess what? You need to turn your notifications on because shit's gonna get real next week
And so with that said see you all next week
Awesome layer one. Let's go to you. Uh, how can people stay in touch with you? Do you have anything to launching? What's good?
Yeah, uh, thanks for having us uh
Yeah, just uh follow the layer 1x handle
Uh to stay updated on all the news updates things like that that we're rolling out. We have tge
Happening for us on april 2nd
Um, so we're gonna go live then
Likewise, we do have our cross chain bridge list swap
Uh currently going so that you can go test that out. It's in beta phase right now
You find that at lnx app.com forward slash swap
You put us to the test against some of your other swaps that you've been using
Uh guaranteed will probably be some of the lowest and fastest you've seen around
Uh, likewise, uh, just some alpha. We we are getting ready to drop a
A huge airdrop, uh coming up. So if you want to participate in that, uh, definitely, uh
Definitely follow us and uh, stay tuned. Let's go. We love the alpha
Um amplify, uh, do you have some alpha you can amplify for us right now? Uh, we'll pass the mic to you real quick
Love us. Love us. No pun intended
Yeah, so great news actually we're going uh launching our alpha pretty much tomorrow and then we'll be moving into beta shortly afterwards
Um, i've dropped a link in here into the chat obviously with a link to our discord and also to our wait list as well
We will be doing an airdrop. So definitely, you know, join our handles join the community stay tuned
Uh, and we will be announcing
That plus ambassador roles and everything else coming up to help the community get more involved
So yeah, it's it's a good time to get involved. So if you like what you hear, uh, yep, follow us along and we'll uh
We'll speak to you there in the discord
Amazing amazing, uh spicy capital. How can people stay in touch with you the best way?
Yes, so we are going big on the event scene, uh for this year
So next event you guys are gonna be catching us at is paris blotching week. I'll be down there personally
For the whole week. You can dm us via the spicy capital account or you can dm me via shibzi baker
Feel free to this dm just to connect anyway
Uh, we'll be seeing you guys at some future events and we're obviously going to be running up on spaces as well
Always going to be joining these big shout out to ex co-host man
If you guys want to get more spaces hit them up
Uh, but this was definitely a wicked space from uh, the lost monster crew man. Thanks for having us again
Definitely going to be trying to hit these up more regularly as well
Let's go love to hear it. Love to hear let's go over to the doc. Jesper, man. He's got a phd
How can people stay up to date with you?
Yeah, uh, well first of all, thanks for the invite again to this space, uh fantastic panel, um, thanks to all the listeners as well
So really appreciated the time here. Um, really good thoughts as well made my made my head spin. I love it
Um, yeah, uh, go to sci-fi psi as in the greek letter sci-fi psi fi dot app
I posted also in the chat here just a link to that if people are interested in that
Um, go sign up. We're very close to our beta launch. Uh close
Kind of a close beta so we'd love to onboard people under that get your thoughts on it
Also dm's always open, you know, let me know if you're interested in helping out. We are a very early team
Very strong early team here. So if you're interested in joining definitely let us know. Um, and uh
Yeah, we have a lot more very exciting updates very soon. So again, I really appreciate everyone here. Thank you very much
No doubt so the alpha is a lot of betas going on love to hear it adam. Let's go to you
Adam are you are you there? If not, we can go to alejandro real quick
Yeah, we'll go to alejandro are you there as well
Yeah, I got rubbed yes, I am um, so
I swear leo one copied our marketing campaign because it's very similar
Uh, but anyway, we have our big grid if you're looking for a web3 and ai play
One of those and we have our ido at the end of the month followed then by our tge in april
Locked in our original discord users the og's for an airdrop, but there will be other airdrops in the future
We're really trying to build something that is bringing the best of the data science brains
the ones that are building these algorithms that you see in open ai outside of open ai together with the
Web3, you know people that that we're all
Uh one of so yeah, if you'd like to follow us, uh, join our discord follow us on twitter
You can click on my profile click on big grid global click follow and yeah
there's so much news coming out from ai competitions from uh,
Web3 stuff like I mentioned about the airdrops, um and giveaways and whatnot. So happy to have you all here
Absolutely. Love to hear from each and every one of you today was awesome
Learned a whole lot about your platforms shout out to xco host and love monsters. Jorge. Did you have one last word?
Yeah, what about you bro, you're not gonna give us your outro man
You're just gonna like leave us all hanging over here waiting for you to give us the outro, man
I like to say, you know, i'm a neo tokyo citizen
We remain mysterious and we don't like to give our whereabouts or uh, you know, you can just follow me at kyle wilson here
On uh on x as well as youtube if you want to give me a subscribe over there on youtube
I don't really uh, not too live anymore. But uh, yeah, that's how you can stay up to date with me
uh, you know, i've worked in the gaming space by the way for a long time for alluvium myria and uh
Super excited about where the space is going with that said thank you so much for tuning in
And i'll catch you guys next time
So make sure you turn on those noties for a love monster
So you don't miss out on another space like this with that said go touch grass
Enjoy the rest of your week and we'll be celebrating probably bitcoin past 70k still and catch you guys later