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Recorded: Feb. 24, 2026 Duration: 1:26:10Space Recording
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and it has in their bio fellow paradigm what What is a fellow parent? What does that even mean?
Are you able to see?
Because I was following some people who were cooking,
just arbitraging multi...
I don't know what the word is.
Someone will list the same bet multiple times.
But does that wallet, do they bet on multiple companies?
Or are they only betting all on one?
This is your company's stock chain.
No, no, no.
Oh, you're not on Polymarket or whatever?
Here, I'll pin it to the top so you can see what I'm referring to.
No, I saw it in the chat.
So they think, I'm going to ask Antoine why he thinks that.
But I'm sure they know.
But then I go to the guy's bio.
Do you know who this person is?
Ten-a-Dome?
I don't know who that is, who he's referencing.
But I can ask who I think is running the stock account, where they got that info.
The Ten-a-Dome?
The only question I have is, what does the fellow paradigm mean? Where they got that info. The Tenadome?
The only question I have is like,
what does the fellow paradigm mean?
I'm assuming fellow paradigm company.
Like, is that an ambassador for paradigm?
Is that an advisor? Because ZachXBT is an advisor for paradigm.
Also, one other thing I've found was, and I don't know how real this is,
we probably need to track it.
They're claiming, and this might just be a publicity stunt.
Let me find it.
Maybe I'm paranoid and I just overthink things, but like these seem like intentionally left breadcrumbs to push people to bet a
certain way.
So I would go on the prediction markets and see what like the opposite of this
like publicly put out like bet is and see if anyone has big money on like a
different company. and if you
follow that wallet it may may be like you know reverse spread crumbs
give me a second where is this at because that's what i would do i would blast out a
bunch of false information to get volume betting into the bet on the wrong thing.
And then I would drop a big slip on the winner that I know is going to happen.
Okay, so we have that.
We have this first one.
And then we also have...
Oh, come on, post. It's taking forever.
But, you know, you can look at all the volume, Nikki.
And it doesn't even, you know, when we have like one of these big runners like Penguin or White Whale or Punch even,
the volume on the meme coin versus the prediction mark is night and day.
And you, like, I look at the attention that this prediction has got.
It's like so much more attention than any meme coin.
I think. Do you think this got more attention than penguin and white whale
oh man attention yeah i mean those those memes that were getting attention at least penguin
from like outside the ct and like government Twitter accounts and stuff.
This is pretty much just CT talking about this still, right?
So you don't think that it was just CT talking about who?
So you're saying there's people outside of crypto Twitter that see something like Penguin
and then they know how to go to PumpFun and buy the PumpFun MeanCoin?
I don't think that.
I just know if we're talking about like how how popular or viral something is penguin and punch like penguin every government
twitter account was tweeting out that penguin meme um punch normies every single branch of twitter
tons of accounts were tweeting it but uh the prediction stuff. And this. Like the ZachXBT stuff.
I think is pretty niche to us.
Still.
There's also this Polygon.
And they said.
Breaking ZachXBT's wallet leaked on Polymarket.
And he has 13,000 shares.
That it's Meteora.
Okay.
Polygon. I have like brief experience with, they hit me up last week. Um, they're going to, what are they doing? They're doing like a trading bot for
Polymarket bets. And like, I just, I said, I don't really use telegram for trading,
but I don't, they're funded by Polygon. They got like a grant from them. So I don't they're funded by polygon they got like a grant from them so i don't see
them making that up wait polygon this was where did you see this so this is a polygon i know this
is a legitimate account then uh can you put it so much so i can make sure it's the same polygon but
yeah polygon yeah because i talked to them last week briefly holy shit they got a lot of engagement on that on that specific tweet and i don't know how
how real it is the the tweet itself it has 480 this is why i saw it just naturally showed up on
my um my timeline it has 480 likes uh 101 replies and people are asking, is it real?
Yeah, so I never came across their account until they hit me up,
until the dude doing BD for them who follows me, DM me, hit me up.
So they might be completely in the Polygon algo,
but I haven't been following longer than a week to know their engagement,
if it's real or whatnot.
But I do know that they're legitimately
working with polygon or got a grant or something they're building for polygon so do you think
zach xbt is insider trading his own article that would seem crazy right i don't know in my opinion
it's not the first time zach's been tied up in some shady shit you remember his own he's smarter than that like this seems to uh no i don't think so do you remember like the free zach
xbt token that he just dumped on everyone was that actually him yeah but then it was like people were
like oh you can't really hold him accountable like there was like this whole like arc like oh yeah
Like, oh, yeah.
and then yeah i mean he's he's been tied up in some shady stuff
And then, yeah, I mean, he's been tied up in some shady stuff.
The other problem I have with the whole, like, report is that
Zach works for a venture capital.
Like, his opinion's paid for.
Right.
That's a big...
Don't we think that's, like, a big issue?
I'm just confused if that VC has, like, some stake in both
sides, though.
I opened Venmo today, and I had an ad for
CalSheet.
What is it? I had an ad for CalSheet today
when I opened my Venmo
app.
Are you saying that's Paradigm's
prediction market?
But they're not invested in Polymarket at all, you're saying?
I don't know. I think Paradigm invested in market. But they're not invested in Polymarket at all, you're saying? I don't know. I think Paradigm invested
in everything. I remember whenever OpenSea
and Magic Eden,
they were competitors, but then
Paradigm invested in both.
And I think they were the ones
that are the main investor in Blur as well.
So they invest in their competitors
frequently.
What are all the top options for those prediction bets on the companies?
Number one, Meteora.
And then number two is Axiom.
And I think, to be honest, Nicky, our spaces yesterday had a lot of voting power for what it's worth.
Right.
I don't know.
I don't know why else those would be top two.
But those are the top two. And then now you've got some guy who has paradigm,
fellow paradigm,
which I think is just jargon for like paradigm ambassador advisor.
Now betting no on Axiom.
And then we got this Polygon saying ZachXBT's wallet's betting yes on Meteora.
We'll only know whenever the results come out.
Maybe this was all just like a publicity stunt.
Because we kind of questioned why did this take two days to resolve.
And maybe it was like a publicity stunt to begin with.
A prediction.
That's right.
That makes sense.
But there's really no volume at the end of the day.
And he still has to drop something in two days.
He's not going to go April Fool's.
No one's in trouble.
There's probably a couple hundred thousand dollars
up for grabs.
And you don't think that Zach would go out
and bet on the...
But think about this. People could do the same thing they do with meme coins. And you don't think that Zach would go out and, you know, bet on the.
But think about this.
People could do the same thing they do with meme coins.
They're like stock has they're pretty good at finding KOL wallets, but that might be his Doc's wallet or the one he wants you to see.
And then he puts a big bet into another one. And that's why I want to know what the top five are, because Axiom and Meteora do seem like the most, you know, insider and employee, a lot of sketchy situations.
But what are the next three on the list?
I think it was like Pumpun.
Pumpun you won't go after because I think it's got too much social credibility.
Let me go look. Hang on. Let me pull it back up.
back up uh mexi mexi has now flipped axiom and and then jupiter number five and then winter mute
number six world liberty five seven binance number eight up bid but you know you go bet
this is the problem with the prediction right you go bet like let's say
you want to say finance it can't be finance because you know you just signed this agreement
to work with finance and you're gonna bet 97 cents to win three cents that's you know what
you're gonna the prediction markets isn't anything like crypto you know we're used to
10xing our money.
So you're going to put down $100 to win $3?
That's what you want to do?
You would only do that if you knew something inside and you knew it was going to be a win.
But if you don't see any bets that are outlier, kind of sketchy looking in there, yeah, that doesn't make sense.
I mean, you're going to put down $10,000 to win $300.
You're going to go do that.
And then you understand you're going to tip the scale whenever you put $10,000 down.
So you're really going to win probably like $100.
You're going to buy up all those no's.
This is the big issue with prediction markets.
There's no 10X in your money. Best you're going to get, best pay scenario is you get a 2X.
It's like this 50-50 and you get a 2X on your money. Am I going to go bet? I could bet yes,
it's about Binance and 100X my money, but we all know it's just not that way.
And then you're also going up against the insider trading that is happening right now as we speak. A possibility. Books, did you see
that? ZachXBT has bought shares of Meteora, allegedly. I don't know if Books is here.
But I don't think that...
I think this is the biggest issue with prediction markets.
It's a huge...
Like, if meme coins weren't already an insider game,
I mean, prediction markets are just even more insider
than what meme coins are.
You know, you got to be in that cabal when it comes to...
But you still have a chance of winning on meme coins.
I mean, prediction markets,
you 100% know the right answer if you're in the insiders.
It's a big issue.
This is why I don't think prediction markets will ever make it.
I don't want to predict.
Look, I don't want to make a prediction on it.
I don't want to bet on the prediction because Zach's already a bought out opinion.
So he's already said he'll sell out his opinion to the venture capitals, right?
Paradigm has bought him out.
So let's just say, you know, one of these predictions start, you know, accumulating a lot of money.
You don't think he'll buy out his opinion again?
I mean, he's already also been known for misreporting on people like Machi.
I don't know if you guys remember this, but Zach went out and, you know, he said he's got these big lawyer fees coming from Machi. He raised several hundred thousand dollars from crypto Twitter to be like, oh my God,
we got to support Zach because Machi's making this false allegation against him.
And it later came to find out that Zach had made some mistakes in his report and he had
to go and correct it.
And it's like, why did we pay this guy hundreds of thousands of dollars for lawyer fees whenever
his reporting isn't correct? So this wouldn't be the first time he makes a mistake and this isn't the
first time he's been paid out for his opinion but looking past that we we got elja joining
elja are you seeing this prediction market
yo how you doing Alex?
I'm good. How are you?
I'm just terrified. I have Koozie next to me, bro.
What are you guys working on?
Oh, wait.
Can you hear me now?
Yep, can hear you.
Yeah, we're eating iftar.
I don't know why the fuck Koozie come every time.
He just eats before and after I eat all the time
And he's still so small
Yeah, man, I even
Even uh, books to ask him to come here. He said no, he's afraid to come. He's afraid to come and meet you
On space
Are you seeing this prediction?
Who do you think it is that's caught insider trading?
See you have
Polymarkets, one of them. I mean, Calci, I don't think so.
Because they are already in the past.
I think they left Polymarket off the prediction.
I don't know.
But Meteora's not.
They left Calci and Polymarket off this prediction.
Calci is out for sure.
And they said, I really don't know.
To be honest, even Zach, you know, after his own meme token that got launched,
I don't know, I'm not sure about him anymore.
The other thing is, like, I think you could probably have a case for all of them
being doing, have been done insider trading.
That's the other thing.
It's like, you know, you probably could catch everyone here on this list for
some type of loose connection to insider trading, but I think it's probably
going to be Axiom or Meteora.
Those are my two.
I believe it's Meteora for sure, becauseom or meteora those are my two i believe it's mature for sure because
they've already been seen in the past but maybe he's now just shooting some evidence so people
can see this on chain yeah the meteor founder had to step down after the the libra and tons of kols
were caught having insider information i mean that one's that one's a very easy one. That one's already been proven to had insider trading.
That would be kind of a letdown.
I want something juicy.
I want something fresh off the press.
But yeah, Meteor is the easy one.
That's the favorite at the moment.
It's almost at a 50-50 yes or no.
And there was also, which I don't think is probably true,
but there was also ties allegedly that Zach had bought yes on Meteora.
He bought 13,000 plus shares for $4,000.
So what's that like?
25 cents a share.
So he's already doubled his money on that.
And then if it's yes, he'll double it again. So he'll essentially like, you know, turn $4,000 into like, you know, $30,000 if it is yes. No. Yeah. Yeah.
12,000 shares. No, no. He'll turn it into like 12. I'm sorry. He'll turn it into like $12,000.
So it just doesn't seem enough in my opinion. I'm like, I think, I think Zach would, would do a lot
more than just $12,000 if that was the case.
That's kind of where I'm finding.
Oh, it's 13,000.
Okay.
So it's 13,500 shares.
So if that resolves to yes, you know, those shares equal a dollar minus the 2% fee.
So around $13,000 he'll have made if that is true.
And I just don't think that's enough for Zach to get caught insider trading.
That's why I don't think it is.
That's why I don't kind of believe this rumor.
But I was told Polygon was funded by Polymarket.
So it does kind of bring credibility to this whole Polygon.
You know, is Books here?
No, he's sleeping at the moment.
Can I take a message?
Did you see this news that's been coming out with this insider trading?
I think we got insider trading within insider trading.
Was he joking about the prediction market thing?
Or is it a prediction market?
Genuinely confused at this point.
I can't find it on Kelsey right now.
Maybe I'm doing it wrong.
What do you mean? Is who joking
about the prediction market?
I don't know. What is he
referring to, Nicky?
Books is undefeated.
I have no idea.
Didn't Zach and VT say if i'm about to expose a
prediction market if i do insider trading does it count he said something like that was that
like him dismissing that it's going to be a prediction market like i don't get it like i'm
a little bit confused well alex said the prediction markets are not listed as one of the options
right i'm looking at the the the prediction that has the most volume on Polymarket,
and there is no listing of a prediction market.
And then it's Meteora.
Meteora is the top one.
Then it's Mexi, then it's Axiom, then it's Pump Fund, then it's Jupiter.
You know, all I'm going to say is we said it was Meteora before anyone. You said it first
and you swayed the boat. Before
it was even on the fucking prediction
market. You said it first
and at the time, it was
all like everything was at like
10% and then Axiom shot up
to number two. I think
we swayed a large amount of votes
just doing these spaces. Are we guilty for insider trading did you have insider information that was
meteor no no no but you knew meteor you knew meteor was going inside what alex i've been knowing it's
gonna get exposed to for a long time for over over a year, because they're really, really scummy, Alex.
Really scummy.
Well, they got caught.
Didn't they get caught insider trading?
Didn't FaZe Bank say, like, on a phone call that he was up $300,000, like he knew Libra was going to launch?
Like, didn't they already get caught insider with insider information?
And that's why the Meteor co-founder had to step down?
The Libra thing.
I believe so.
I don't remember.
But it had fingerprints all over it.
It had fingerprints all over Libra.
Why didn't Zach ever cover that?
Coffeezilla, dude.
We got to see.. We gotta see.
We gotta see. Is Meteor
listed on that website, Alex?
With all the projects? Yeah, they're number one.
They're number one. No, no, no. I'm talking
about the Paradigm projects?
Interesting.
Look at that pin post, Alex.
Look at that pin post.
They're not in Paradigm.
Scroll up to the screenshot. It at that pin post, Alex. Look at that pin post. They're not in Paradise. And then scroll up to the screenshot.
It wasn't even listed, bro.
Binance, Coinbase, Polymark.
I don't know where this is at.
See, there might...
So this is the problem with prediction markets as well.
You've got so many different predictions on the same prediction,
and the liquidity is just fractionalized.
The one I'm looking at has Meteora number one.
Let me try to find this one.
This one's crazy.
They're saying 97% yes for poly market?
That makes no sense whatsoever.
That doesn't even make sense.
That's a fake out.
Yeah.
Meteora was up to 55%, now down to 34%.
The Axiom, I mean, I think people can make a strong case for that too,
just by how the company is being described.
Let me see if I can find the one you're referring to, Books,
because the one I'm looking at, yeah, I can't even find that one
in the pen post.
What do you mean? That's Polymarket.
Yeah, I know. I'm looking at Polymarket and the top trending one, bro. Oh my God.
So this has $4 million in volume and it's like their top trending prediction. This is why like
prediction markets aren't it as well. This has more attention than any meme coin that I,
in like the past month or two, in my opinion, and no $4 million in volume is nothing when it comes to this amount of attention it's getting.
I don't know why people,
why are people hesitant to bet on these predictions, Books?
I don't think they're hesitant.
I don't think people like them.
I don't know.
Like, I like sports betting.
I like gambling.
I don't like this.
Like, it's just no one gives a fuck, Alex.
Like, an election?
Like, sure, like, who's going to win, Biden or Trump?
Like, it's like a regular, like, prop bet.
You know, it's fun for stuff like that.
But when it comes to this type of stuff, the general public doesn't care.
You know, you've got a small amount of active users still in crypto.
I don't think people are really interested.
I don't think people care enough.
I think what it has to do,
why are people hesitant to bet on prediction markets?
For me, Books, why I'm not betting on this is because
Zach could just, you know, change his
mind on the whole investigation. It's like, wait, this one has, I'm going to make this amount of
money if I do this. Like he could just change this. Like he, he's already, the problem is he's
not like, um, an unpaid journalist. He's paid by a venture capital to report, you know, he's paid
by Paradigm. He's an advisor for,
you know, a competitive, like, and you guys understand, like, venture capitals,
like, run crypto, kind of, you know, like, A16Z, you know, he's paid to write, you know,
hit pieces on A16Z competitor products. So it's like, not only is it already biased, it's,
you know, this person's already been kind of paid off for their opinion. you don't think that if there's enough money that came into these prediction he could
be paid off again this is why i think no one's kind of betting on this book but it hasn't do
you think let me ask something does this have more attention than say like penguin you remember
the penguin meme coin yes a hundred percent this has more attention? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the Penguin meme coin
at the end of the day
wasn't really breaking world news, bro.
It was Trump's post breaking
world news, but no one knew there was
a Penguin meme coin that was like
in the picture there. You know, the Penguin
meme coin was only the DGENs in this space.
That's what
I said too. I'm like, sure
it got the attention of the public,
but the public has no idea how to bet on a meme coin.
But this thing does have more attention,
but the volume is like a tenth of what Penguin has done.
Like not even close.
And that's where it comes to the question,
like why are people, when it has this much attention,
not willing to bet?
And I'm going to pin that question at the top,
see if they have, see what else, why are people hesitant?
Maybe another part of it is books.
You know, you got to sign up for Polygon
or you have to create a wallet.
Maybe there's kind of like an onboarding thing
that could be fixed there.
Another problem, another problem right there.
For DraftKings, for FanDuel,
all I need is a debit card or credit card.
And boom, my money's there.
I can go bet on the Super Bowl.
I can bet on whatever I want.
Whereas here, you're adding a bunch of processes to it.
And everyone doesn't want to buy crypto.
A lot of people have a bad taste in their mouth
with crypto. I don't know, man.
I don't see
much of a crazy future
with this shit.
And it's like, how much money are you really
going to make on these?
I'm going to bet yes.
Are you going to make money?
No, I'm saying like me as a trader.
You know, you're going to have to put in a lot of capital
in a prediction to make any type of money.
I almost feel like they're connected to the government
where you put up the capital
and they make sure they do it one minute after you lose
or some crazy shit.
Or they make sure that they freeze your funds. They do some weird shit,
but I just don't trust putting up a lot of capital on something like this at all, bro,
especially when it's obvious. Otherwise, it's just free money at this point.
So you can buy shares of Meteora for $0.35, and if he comes out that it's Meteora,
every $0. cents is worth a dollar
so you almost 3x your money
you don't think that's worth it?
it's worth it but again
I don't trust putting up a lot of capital
to make a decent amount of money
you have to put up a lot of fucking money, Alex.
You know, it's even like a sports bet, right?
Like, I know for a fact,
for a fact,
you know, Ryan Garcia is going to beat
Cozy the Caller in a fight.
But why am I going to risk $10,000
to win $100?
Like, it doesn't make sense to me.
Now, for me to win any serious type of money,
I got to risk $2 million.
And it's just not worth it for me.
Especially on one of these products where they can freeze my phone.
You could buy out books.
You could buy out the entire yes.
The entire, all the yes shares for 80K.
Like, that's the math.
So, right now, if you've even put in 6K, you put in $6,000 in your bet,
you've already moved the scale from 35 cents to 45 cents, $6,000. There's not enough liquidity
on these. And I can't figure out why people aren't willing to bet on these. But they're willing to
bet on meme coins. They're willing to put in $ you know, $6,000 in a meme coin.
You know, people were putting in $10,000 in Penguin easily.
I know multiple people that did that.
I mean, Bitlord put in like 180K on one of them.
You know, he couldn't even put 180, one person,
he would clear the entire order book with that bet.
And then it comes down to books like, you know, Zach XBT sees, you know, easy 100K.
He's like, well, you know, these guys bet 100K on yes, I'll bet, you know, $10 on no and clear out,
I'll clean up on no. You know, I'll 100X my money on no. Because, you know, one, well, you can buy
no for one penny. And then, you know, like right now, Binance, right? One, the shares of no cost
one cent. And that will default, or I'm sorry, shares of Binance, yes. If he writes about Binance,
right now you can buy shares for one penny. And if it defaults to yes, like if he does go about
Binance, you know, it's a hundred times his money. And if there's enough shares to be bought,
like if enough people say, no, it's not Binance, right? If there's like, let's say, I don't know what the, I don't
know what the order book looks like, but you know, let's just say, you know, there's $10,000
that can be bought for, yes, it's Binance for a penny. So he buys, he 100Xs that $10,000.
And you don't think that exists? You don't think he wants to turn $10,000. And you don't think that exists?
You don't think he wants to turn $10,000 into a million dollars?
Like, this is not the first time, you know,
Zach had done shady stuff.
You remember the Zach XBT token that he was gifted
and he dumped on everyone?
Do you remember this?
No, I don't.
Oh, they did like a free Zach xbt token and helped raise funds for zach
and then they sent stuff to his wallet thinking he was just going to hold on to it and then he
decided to dump it on everyone well i think he ran a one-sided lp but yeah same result oh that
what it was he ran a one even worse he ran a one-sided lp books
so they gave they gifted him a lot of zach xbt tokens uh for like a cause for zach xbt
and then what he did was set up one side now one setup once one-sided lp
something else you guys might like and and i might be mistaken on this so correct me if i'm wrong but
i haven't seen zach xbt call out any project that's been invested in by Paradigm.
And I might be wrong on that, but I know you guys have a disdain from this.
Anthony, we've all figured that out.
He has it in his bio now.
But a lot of people didn't know this because he didn't disclose that he was working for Paradigm.
But it was obvious for people that have a decent IQ.
You could see like, wait, why is he not calling out this one project?
And then you do your research.
He's like, oh, he's not calling out all these obvious ones because the backers, the investors.
And so, yeah, just looking back at his history books, you don't think that there's a world that exists where there's, you know, he's the one, the outcome is like, you know, he's going
to make another million dollars if he just puts $10,000 on. Yes, it's about, you know, someone
we don't think like even like something like hyperliquid. He's like, oh, wow. You know, like
he's an advisor for hyperliquid. He would never write about hyperliquid. But, you know, because
everyone thinks that, then you buy, you know, no, it's not about hyperliquid. You're putting large
money down at that point in time for just like minute returns, right? So if you buy,
no, it's not about hyperliquid, you're going to be paying $10,000 to make, right now it's
fucking 99 cents for a share of no, and it'll default to a dollar. So you'll make $10,000.
You'll make $100 for every $10,000 you put down. So then some people like, okay, it can't be about
that. So I'll put a million dollars down and you'll make like $10,000 on that million dollars.
And then Zach's like, well, shit, I'll take the other side of that. I'll put $10,000 down and then take the million dollars from you. You guys don't see how that
could easily play out with the history, with the track record? He's been proven that if there's
enough money on the line, he won't do the integrity thing. This is why I have a big issue.
I would put, honestly, books in a vacuum world, like in a, in a, in a world that I know like integrity wins out.
I'd put the whole bank that is not hyper liquid.
I don't care how much I make, how much of a fraction of return.
It's free money at the end of the day.
But I know that scenario exists because that he, you know,
he's, he's done these things and he's got, he comes from that,
that background where, you know,
all of a sudden he is writing a report about hyper liquid and he is, you know, taking the done these things and he's got, he comes from that, that background where, you know, all of a sudden he is writing a report about hyperliquid and he is, you know,
taking the million dollars from me. I'd put a million dollars right now books just to get,
you know, free $10,000. Like it's, it's just out there for the taking. But, you know, I put that
million dollars down saying it's not about hyperliquid. And then that means you can buy the
other side of it for $10,000, right? Because that $10,000
got up something. And what if it's Zach? He's like, well, I'm just going to make it about
hyperliquid. And then he takes my million dollars. That's a huge issue with insider trading and
prediction markets. That's why I think it doesn't attract that many people. Meme coins, you can say
it's like all insider trading as well, these FNnf and cabals but even then you can get retail to win even on top of that it doesn't feel
do you think prediction markets are more manipulated than meme coins yeah i don't think
that fnfs and like insider info is like you can't you can't call any pvp game in this space
insider info unless it's the house doing it in my
opinion like you know meteor can do insider info pump on coinbase binance you know they're the house
in the situation but if we have any sort of advantage whether it's getting a group together
an fnf together we cannot be guilty for insider trading. There's no insider.
Insider is me going and gathering everyone, telling them,
oh, I'm shilling you this coin that I did hard work in finding the alpha or got some info on, but it's really me launching it and bundling it.
That's a different story ethics-wise,
but as far as even insider trading goes,
this is not really a regulated department right now.
This is not the stock market.
This is not penny stocks.
This is the Wild West, Alex.
the wild west alex this is a different ball game in my opinion like i don't think that uh
This is a different ballgame, in my opinion.
an fnf is insider trading that's is it like it is like if we want to really like
you know look up the rules of insider trading but it's not when it comes to the law
in my opinion it's like point shaving no point shavings is also
different bro like that's that's another that's another thing but that's like you're working with
the the player bro you're working on the player in that game what do you mean nikki like um you know
like how there was one that someone will throw a
dildo on the wmba game but like yeah because you make that bet someone buys a ticket goes to the
game with the intent of doing that isn't that similar or what would that even like that dildo
when you throw someone someone makes a bet and throws a dildo makes a bet on himself like you'll
see all the fake articles about that person making money
you'll see the person posts like a fake bet slip which is usually followed by a casino affiliate
link it's fake fam i'm gonna tell you right now someone that comes from the sports betting world
you guys know the big scandal that happened which one with the nba and the nba players it was the
biggest sports betting scandal in history.
It's like a very close friend of mine that was a leader of that whole thing.
Just so you know, I come from that world, fam.
That dildo thing, they will not pay you on that bet.
Right now, if you go and you put $100,000
that someone's going to go throw a dildo
and you place the bet,
then you go to that game
and you throw the dildo on the basketball court,
you're not going to get paid by whatever sports book you place that bet.
Because you're KYC'd?
Not only because you're KYC'd.
Let's say I placed a bet on Alex's account.
Someway, somehow, they're going to find out Alex is my friend.
And if you don't believe me,
and if Alex is questioning me in
his head right now, me, Alex, and King Fudd walked courtside onto the basketball court.
King Fudd, a week or two prior, had tweeted that he's going, he's not, King Fudd's not doxxed on
Twitter at the time. No one knew what he looked like. No one knew who King Fudd was. No one knew
his name or anything about it.
I promise you, the second we sat down in those courtside season
basketball game, security came, surrounded us,
pulled King Fudd into a back room, and showed him the tweet
and said, you better not run on the court and tackle LeBron James
like you said you were going to.
Alex, did I make that up?
No, that happened.
He actually got...
Okay, so he was sitting there next to us.
And then the security came up to all three of us.
And then they escorted King Fudd out.
And we had no idea what the fuck happened.
Like, where did he go?
And he came back 30 minutes later.
And he came back with his card and saying like,
if you do anything at this point in time
you'll be escorted from the premises this is your final warning and he said that they had pulled him
into a back room and security showed him his twitter account and saying that if you run onto
the court you know you're going to get arrested there are going to be fines pressed against you
it happened yeah and now king no one knew the fuck they knew who king fud was you know what i mean
which is crazy and again guys he was undocced at the time i'm pretty sure this was before the blue check marks
and giving twitter your credit card information was three years ago almost four years ago so it's
a very very weird thing so again like they won't pay you again don't know me and alex are friends
and alex put in the insider trading bet and then if you go and you read the fine print on any of these gambling websites, even prediction markets,
they say in their fine print that they will not pay you.
So it's not like as easy as it seemed.
Okay. Well, that's new. That's good.
I'm going to tell you something.
You ever had, Alex, you ever won a big amount of money and they froze your money
for like a day or two before they released it
or nine hours or whatever
yeah
it happens to me all the time
you know what they're doing right they're investigating
to make sure that you didn't hack the game
you didn't do nothing crazy you didn't cheat to win this money that's what they're doing, right? They're investigating to make sure that you didn't hack the game. You didn't do nothing crazy.
You didn't cheat to win this money.
That's what they're doing.
Same thing with sports bets.
When you make a big sports bet, bro, they try to find any reason not to pay.
It's just the name of the game, guys.
The casino.
The casino, fam.
I've won a lot of money in an IRL casino.
I don't just go and give them the chips and they give me $3 million.
No, they put you through a little hell.
They make you wait three hours in a room.
They do all that nonsense at least the first 25 times
before there's like some sort of trust level built between you and that casino.
And they investigate.
They call to make sure you were at that table.
You left that table.
How many chips did you leave that table with? It's not like, oh, you could just steal chips
from the casino and go cash those the next day. That doesn't even work anymore.
We've entered the age of AI, fam. All these camera systems are AI. Facial recognition.
And if you have a mask on, this AI calculates how many inches your right shoulder
is from your neck or from your head, how you walk, how you move, everything. It's just a
different ballgame. What I don't understand, Books, is we know every meme coin on a long
enough horizon will go to zero with predictions you know at
least one of these fucking predictions will be yes like you'll you there's like an end game that
makes sense but no one wants to play predictions and yet everyone wants to play mindless meme
coins is it because i just bet on four of them you bet on four of them but like yeah like i
spread it out in a way where like either way i'll be up just a little bit of money just just my first time ever using it did you bet yes or no yes
on like you bet yes on some of them yeah well what if it's not like what if it's what if it's
not any of those four it might not be that's why i'm just testing i just put like a little bit of
money i did a little bit on like the really low on the list ones because like the odds are crazy and then uh you know meteor uh axion pump fun i did a little bit on each
it's my first time trying it
why is it why did you not do it before uh i don't know i've just been clowning.
I'm not really doing anything.
Just gesture maxing?
Just gesture maxing, bro.
But you've been trading meme coins?
No, no.
I'm only in one.
One that I've held for...
Nicky, when's the last time you went for a walk?
Like outdoors?
Yesterday, bro.
I feel like you're always on the internet.
I'll never forget, bro. I was in the airport on the internet i'll never forget bro
i was in the airport in the u.s at 7 a.m it was 5 a.m in california or wherever the hell you are
and you were on spaces rock and cracked out
you're my buddies
do you lay in bed a lot
when i sleep usually at night
laying in bed is the worst thing like anyone that does spaces all day and all night staying like
laying in bed that's what causes a lot of health problems don't my pace i'm like a pacer i'll be
walking i'll go for walks or whatever going to go for a run
books um you always got to take it personal with these guys just can't let nikki live his life
books you ever i've never done any of the prediction market betting ever
i do sports i do is sports betting considered like i just bet on ryan garcia is that considered a prediction like i bet on him to win and like a predicted yes
technically yo there's no such thing as prediction market prediction market is just another word
right yeah it's profits like i love profits profits were like my thing man blue gatorade
yellow gatorade how long is the national anthem gonna go over under one minute and a half how long what color gatorade are they gonna splash
the coach with i love this stuff alex like love it i don't love polymarket bro i guys
crypto products are supposed to be better than web2 products that's why we got onboarded right
gaming is supposed to be better it's supposed to be better than Web2 products. That's why we got onboarded, right? Gaming is supposed to be better.
It's supposed to be better than your crooked credit card company,
bank company.
But bro, all these crypto products that came out,
it's more expensive.
I send $1,000 to my crypto credit card.
I lose 40 bucks or even 100 bucks.
Who knows?
It's a lot cheaper for me to cash out to my bank
and go swipe that credit card or debit card at the store.
Crypto products are not better, man.
I'd rather go and use FanDuel or DraftKings
than go use Polymarket, CalSheet, or Myriad.
But the thing is, FanDuel and DraftKings,
there's nothing
about ZacXBT.
There's nothing about
all this bullshit that we
care about in this space.
This is the most attention I think a prediction market
or a prediction has ever gotten since the election
books. I don't know. Has been another prediction where like all of crypto
twitter's kind of talking about it i don't know man i don't know
the other the thing is with like props betting fanduel you still have to use a credit card, right? You can't use crypto.
You have to KYC.
I'm fine with that.
But for people who aren't
fine with that,
don't you think
that that's why they're doing this?
Why does FanDuel even know?
Until you win real money.
Go on Polymarket, make two, three hundred grand.
And they might freeze your funds and make you KYC.
You probably don't have to KYC for a $2 prediction.
You know, $2 to win 50 bucks.
They probably won't make you KYC for that.
And those are the people that make the big deal about the KYC, Alex.
Trust me. That's who the big deal about the KYC, Alex. Trust me.
That's who makes big deal about KYC.
It's the guy that put $2 to make $50.
But the guy that's going and putting up $500K to make $2.5 million,
that guy's not too concerned with KYC.
I see.
Yeah, especially now, man.
Yeah, especially now, man.
Crypto used to be kind of like pseudo-anon, like anon shit, but now everyone's pretty
much doxed.
Don't you think everyone's doxed?
Were you doxed always in crypto?
Because I wasn't.
I was going down that like internet nerd not dox route until they dox me
did i rug no you were good no no we hear you did books rug no he's in a meeting
no no no i didn't hear what you said oh were you docs were you docked when you came into crypto? No, not until 21.
Did you dox yourself or did someone else dox you?
No, I dox myself.
Do you think it's like, I think everyone's pretty much dox at this point.
Unless you're a scammer.
Like a full-blown...
Damn, yo, someone else dox me, bro.
Really?
Someone else dox me. Someone Really? What someone else dogs me?
someone else dogs you
Yeah, yeah
But I remember
Accidentally, bro, they made such a big deal about my dogs. It was like
Never wanted to be dogs though books, you know why?
Because I didn't I wanted to have like just my opinion you couldn't really judge my opinions off of my personal being like you couldn't be like you
know how like people like try to take the conversation like oh you only think that way
because you're white or because you're jewish or because you're black it's like wait if they don't
have that they got to actually use their brain and figure out okay he's actually you know probably
bullish on this because of not because he's's a female or black or white or Jewish.
But yeah, since they doxed me,
they thought that it's not like I had anything to hide.
I just liked that idea.
I liked the idea that I could form opinions
and I feel like I was getting really good
at forming unbiased opinions.
It had nothing to do with my race, my religion,
my sex, where I was from.
It's because they couldn't judge me on all that
shit. Now, you know, maybe some people
are like, oh, he's an unk, or
like, you know, they'll
ageism me, but I'm cool with that.
But that's what I
wanted. I didn't want anyone to know who I was for that
very reason. But, you know,
they had, you know, two people. I don't like
docs because you could take more risks
undocced. Like, when you're docs, bro, you got retards tagging the CIA, scaring you, tagging the FBI.
Like, I don't like that, bro.
Again, Bitcoin is where it's at because there's no founders.
There's no one that's docs.
When you have someone that's docs, they get scared.
They get threatened.
And no one could work under that kind of uh condition
so what happens the project rugs but when someone's undoxed well they can take the
necessary risks that you need to take to get to that next level and most of these successful
ass projects are undoxed a shiba undoxed
yeah so i get like founders being undoxed
To keep that mistake because I mean you remember when Frank dox
I don't know if you remember it well
So someone had found his videos him saying like he was at school and he was saying how he was stealing like
Scooter engines he was he was at school and he was saying how he was stealing like uh scooter engines he was he was
like oh it was funny like that's how he docks it was like a youtube video of frank saying how he
was stealing these bird scooters and in college and selling them and then you know it got super
bearish like wait this is who he is like no one had known he was indian because you could just
judge him on his voice he didn't sound you know you know, how are you doing, my friend?
You know what I mean? Like you're stereotypical.
He sounded like this kind of like deep
voice, Chad, big dude,
you know, Larry Wheels-esque dude.
And then he came out to be like a 70 pound Indian.
And then that was kind of like, I feel like
people can say what they want. I mean,
I think the space is super judgmental.
You know, that shouldn't have
mattered in my opinion. It shouldn't have mattered that he was Indian and that he weighed 70 pounds.
Like no one should have given a fuck.
But it just showed you like how racist people really are.
That was the end of D-God's books when he docks.
Because he wasn't this white guy who everyone thought he was.
Do you agree with that?
That the space is super racist?
Yeah, yeah.
I also feel like Elon, bro,
Elon's like the king of collecting client data.
And he made it very hard to operate undoxed on X.
Like he forced everyone to link a credit card,
debit card, ID verification.
Like it's very,
very difficult to get by on X without doxing and succeed,
especially in crypto.
Like,
do you think that,
do you think that Indians just immediately are,
are recognized and no one wants to invest in like an Indian product or
Nigerian or you know pretty
much any if you come from a third world country no one wants to invest in whatever the fuck you
have to to put out even if it's the best even if like because I feel like the decods brand was the
best NFT brand at one point but even it even with that you know because he docks and he was Indian
everyone made a big deal about it.
I think that mystery was part of it.
He had the ski mask in interviews, a deep voice.
No one knew who it was.
I think that was a vibe back then.
But do you think if he came out to be this white male, giga chad you know six three jacked
i think we would have a different outcome and it's because the space is so racist
and judgmental like you could even say like when garga docks you know he's kind of like this short
little bald nerd everyone was like wait this isn't there you know it wasn't bullish right
yeah your brain makes associations so now like i thinkAYC, now I see that little bald dude.
It doesn't mean anything, but it's just where my brain goes.
I think people look at these people as kind of leaders.
I think they looked at Garga as their leader.
Like, wait, this doesn't have the attributes in my mind
of what I think a leader is.
And I think that was kind of, you know, whenever...
Was Ryder the one who doxed Garga and Gordon?
Yeah, it was that crew.
I don't know if it was Ryder exact or Pauly,
but it was that squad.
Like, that crew that did, yeah.
I think...
I think they worked together, Alex.
Who?
Ryder?
That. Both of them. together, Alex. Who? Ryder? That
both of them.
I think Ryder mainly.
Yes, worked with them. I really
think so. Okay, but
then, okay, so you think they shouldn't be docked, but
like, let's say they are doing,
you know, doing a lot of shady shit.
you know, doing a lot of shady
shit. What are we
What are we supposed to do?
supposed to do?
Who's doing shady shit?
The undoxed person.
Right, before Zach was, before...
What do you mean?
Before Machi doxed him in a court case,
you know, he was doing a lot of damage
and defamating people. I think he's was doing a lot of damage to in death you know defamating people
um i think he's slowing down a lot since that case because you know his docs is now out there
but he was doing a lot of damage and you know even even machi proved that in his own in his
own court case that he was you know he made a lot of um misaccusations misallegations that led
to defamation to the point where Zach had to change the whole report.
And you couldn't have done that because he wasn't doxxed.
You know, you can continue down that path of damaging brands.
And then these other people could continue to scam.
But you're saying that they're going to scam whether they're doxxed or not?
Yeah, yeah.
The biggest scams are doxxed. But don't you think then you can go after them? Bernie Madoff was doxxed or not? Yeah, yeah. The biggest scams are doxed.
But don't you think then you can go after them?
Bernie Madoff was doxed.
Yep.
It doesn't matter.
This is crypto, bro.
I'm one of those people.
I don't believe the law should ever get involved in crypto.
But wasn't Bernie Madoff guilty of something?
Yeah, but he was doxed.
He collected all that money and got everyone doxed.
Yeah, but then he was doxed like he collected all that money and got everyone doxed yeah but then he still was he was eventually uh guilty if you're undoxed you're never going to be guilty but that's the real world right i'm talking about crypto i don't think you should
be guilty i think it should be a lesson learned personally like in crypto i really again i don't think that the law should be
involved police should be involved lawyers should be involved in any way i think that it should
truly be like power to the people managed by the people regulated by the people like that's what
i that's the the illusion of crypto that i got before when uh when I was new right that's what brought me here and it's the total opposite
bro like it's become the total opposite now it's like a doxed doxed cesspool of fucking scammers
and people are scamming doxed and getting away with it in this space because again there's no
there's no regulations you know wait who's dox and scamming right now
So many people bro so many paradigm coinbase like all these motherfuckers are like
Like I said what's is um is the hill is he a scammer?
Yeah, he'll
Would you would you put him in the crowd?
Again, I think that he does.
No, no, no.
If we're going to base it off of what other people in the space do
and get away with, no.
But if you're going to go and say that...
Who's a serial deployer of tokens?
Pumpkin, Alon.
Frank D. Godz Gods No, no, no
Frank D. Gods
Sahil made people more money on meme coins
Than Frank D. Gods has
And that's a fact
But I mean I feel like at a certain
Point you scam Enough money, you know, you will have
the law come after you. But then I hear it all the time, like, because always says we need more
accountability in this space. We'll have more rugs. So how are we going to get accountability?
Like, are we going to rely on someone like a, like a Zach XBT who's been known to make cost
reports? Like, I,, who are we relying...
My thing is,
if you're going to draw the line,
there has to be a line, but I'd rather
there's no line drawings whatsoever.
Like, how
are you drawing that line of good and bad?
It's just a moral high ground.
And at some point, you know, I feel like
not for nothing books, I feel like we
did it the most morally correct way, humanly fucking fucking possible and we got nothing but canceled for it it was like
damn dude like we're trying to clean up the space we want more runners we want less rugs and we got
canceled for it like it made no sense to me whatsoever and that's because we weren't backed
by some venture capital and uh backed by a cabal like that was our biggest issue. But you can say what you want,
but I see these other people do way worse than us
when it comes to reporting.
And our report was so unbiased and genuine
where these are very biased and not genuine.
The difference is, is they have a VC backing them.
Like, don't you think that we did a better unbiased job
than Zach XBT does on his reports?
I don't know if i rug no we hear you
i rug you know like i've got i've got a big i've got a big i don't recognize the voice or not but i've got a big crypto hammer next to me um that might have a few words about the doxing and undoxing no keep us on docs bro don't dox nobody don't dox why did
you launch that token that went to 50k and down to 7k you owe me 30 bucks bro i made 320 dollars on that yeah 30 of that's my money easy money now i've got another
scammer here um uh also undoxed uh better off saying undoxed because some people think he's a
chad on the internet what up how are we doing i want to take a chill you know so again
yeah i'd rather stay undocked alex
so undocked do we need like um do we need like a sony who can hold accountability in crypto
no no we don't yo bro you you get, take it on the chin and keep it pushing because accountability in crypto is extremely selective.
People cancel random people that they don't like. About a person that they do like and that person just keeps scamming over and over again.
So there's like no way to keep people accountable in my opinion.
We got Vanessa joining us.
What do you think, Vanessa?
What's your Twitter?
Hold up.
What did you say?
I was zoned out.
Hello.
How are we going to hold scammers,
quote unquote scammers,
accountable in crypto?
Or should we not...
So far scammer,
like what kind of scammer?
That's the problem.
Big scale, small scale?
I don't know how to define like a what
people consider to be a scammer undisclosed shills undisclosed shills that could be that
that's probably an easy one to determine i think there's like different levels to scamming right
there's like ftx level like uh and then like your standard CDKOL.
Like, would you consider,
let's say I buy a meme coin, right?
I buy a lot of a meme coin.
I buy 20% of the supply,
and then I'm shilling it for a couple days,
then I sell my 20%. Am I a scammer?
Yeah.
That's absolutely scamming. That's scammer? Yeah. That's absolutely
scamming. That's scamming?
Yeah, I think so.
What are you doing?
I've got someone fixing my phone for me right now.
Did you just mute me?
No. No, the space is running.
Okay.
I think that's the problem.
Everyone has a different definition of what a scam is
some would say that's a scam you know oh my god you just dumped that supply only i i see it all
the time people calling you know uh vitalik the scammer for selling the ethereum it's like well
i think you're allowed you're allowed to sell what you're holding. That's totally fine.
But when you don't disclose that you're selling,
for example, if you've got X supply of a coin,
you don't tell people you've got that supply or you don't tell people you're selling,
you're telling people to buy and then you end up dumping on them.
I'd say that's probably lower level, but it's definitely scamming.
So I'm chilling after right now. I don't, so, so I'm,
I'm still in after right now.
I have 1% of the supply
and eventually I'm going to sell it.
I don't know when I'm going to sell it.
Well, you're allowed to sell.
You're allowed to sell.
Like that's the whole point of crypto, right?
You buy and sell.
Everyone's in crypto to make money,
but you can't,
there's,
you know,
you have to be pretty transparent
about what you're doing.
You can't be like, no, I don't hold x amount blah blah blah and then dump on their heads when you're telling people to buy
well i mean but in in my defense like i wouldn't tell you what's in my stock portfolio and when
i'm selling yeah but are you telling people to buy it as you're selling it or if you're lying about it vocally yeah but like even if i'm telling you to buy it's your responsibility to do your research
yeah that's fine but when you've got a platform right and you're telling people you you're
knowingly pumping the price of something while you're selling that's very unethical
it's unethical but we live in a world where like where you need to do your research if you're aping.
That's fine, but that doesn't justify scamming.
You can say, I don't have to disclose, blah, blah, blah, but it is scamming at the end of the day.
That's why there's laws against it.
That's why there's laws against insider trading.
trading that's why people go to jail for that shit because it's illegal wait so you're scamming
That's why people go to jail for that shit.
Because it's illegal.
if you say uh we go to a hundred million but then you one clip at like one million like if you if
you just like if you just post a token and then eventually you sell you're not like not entitled
to like the people are not entitled to you telling them exactly when you sell or whatever
it's just like whether you want to it's just like do you have the intent
to deceive people yes or no and that basically is the line between scamming and not scamming
if you're not trying to deceive people then you're fine but at the same time like i'm not i'm not
disagreeing with you it's not a good look but at the same time like we live in this world where
basically everything that's popping off is a ponzi scheme and if you're here you should know yeah that's fine but what's your
argument i'm just saying that like as as someone who's an investor like you should know that this
entire thing is a ponzi scheme so if someone's telling you to buy something if you're not doing
your research if you're opting to buy in, like, this happens across the world in every financial market.
Yeah, that's fine.
But that's a completely different argument.
I agree with you on that as well.
So I need to tell people when I'm selling.
So what do I do?
I'm like, hey, guys, I'm going to sell my Astor bags now. And then proceed to sell them?
I don't know.
No, you're allowed to sell them, but what you can't be doing is like hiding from people that you have supply,
telling them to buy as you sell.
Like any kind of deceptive behavior, right?
It's deceptive behavior.
When do I tell them?
When do I?
So if I like,
if I need to stop shilling that Aster
at some point,
when does that like timeframe
okay to sell?
So like just yesterday,
I was shilling Aster.
Is today if I start selling too soon
Well, no if you want to tell people that you've clipped some of your bag that you can tell people you've taken profits
I always tell people I take profits
There's nothing wrong with that. You're just a participant
Oh, I don't know if Alex works for them
Your opinions why don't you take your profits for them. I don't know your relationship with us. I'm going to have that with you and your opinions.
Why don't you take your profits and shove them up your ass at this point?
What the fuck?
All right, I'll let you guys scam in peace.
But, I mean, I feel like that definition of scamming is not one that a lot of people would say is scamming.
Not disclosing that you're selling is scamming.
I don't know if everyone would say that's scamming.
I guarantee everyone doesn't say that.
That's too blanketed.
I don't think that anybody needs to know that you're selling.
Like, I don't...
In no other market do you, like, call up people and be like,
Hey, guys, I'm selling.
If you're a participant and you're trading, that's not scamming.
But if you have knowledge, you work for them,
there's a million qualifiers and nuances.
We're just blanketing it right now.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
I mean, outside of the blanket statement,
I just feel like people expect that everyone should be announcing their movements.
That's just weird to me because you wouldn't tell anybody.
I like that.
And like Book said, it feels like people pick and choose
where they want to have accountability.
Like they'll like let things slide,
but then other things,
like they'll literally do the same or not worse.
And then that person will be called out.
That's the other issue i have with
the whole like guys if we're gonna do accountability i'm all for it but let's hold everyone to the same
standard and we we just don't we we we we've never done that everyone's held to a different standard
you know sahil is sahil is canceled by every kol meanwhile all those kols that are canceling sahil
are taking undisclosed payments from sahil himself to show that said celebrity he had signed up
but there are some things he did that could qualify under the definition that we're looking for
like well you know pay you 30k let me use your instagram account or whatever to a celebrity
and then they they don't make said money didn't did they get scammed i mean what happens is
oftentimes you'll get jason derulo he'll be the one that one boy is jason derulo and then he'll
be like yeah i'll get all these kols to shill it jason derulo will scam his coin, right?
And then they'll blame Sahil.
All the KOLs, because there's more KOLs
scamming than just Sahil, they'll call
Sahil the scammer. It's like, hang on a second.
We really look at this.
Sahil is the one who
you guys are the scammer.
So he'll just gave you guys the allocation to dumb listen like you are the spider-man meme Alex
Sahil just gave you guys the allocation to dumb.
Listen, like it's a Spider-Man meme,
Alex.
No, I just I just don't agree with the selected politics
It's like guys, it's either we're doing politics for everything or nothing and I'm in the camp at this point once you educate yourself
It's itself, you know, you got to learn how to ride the bike yourself
Eventually got to take those training wheels off and you got to start holding yourself accountable. You got to learn how to ride the bike yourself. Eventually, you got to take those training wheels off,
and you got to start holding yourself accountable.
You can't be relying on someone else to look after you in this world,
especially in crypto.
It's a dog-eat-dog world in crypto.
You cannot be like, oh, my God, someone come save me. And chances are that guy who's saying they're about to save you
is the very same guy that's about to drown you.
That's what I – yeah, yeah. that guy who's saying they're about to save you is the very same guy that's about to drown you. You're about to go away.
Yeah, yeah, that person that's pretending to save you,
you know, is the same person that's,
you know, he's stealing your car key
and looking for it too.
It's like, oh yeah, I'll help you find it.
Like this is the motherfucker
who stole the car keys to begin with.
That's been my experience in crypto books.
You know, all these guys who are like,
yeah, we need to hold these people accountable
are the biggest scammers what's been your experience books
um man i've been i've been scamming i've been scamming for four uh 14 years now
uh i started off wallet draining i've moved on to bank draining now um i'm into like taking chase bank
for all their custodial services allegedly that's my thing what do you what do you mean alex what do
i think again bro like meme coins it's a pvp game in my opinion and some people might not like this
answer but every single one of you buy a meme coin you shill it to your friends and then dump on your friends is no different than fucking sahil launching a meme coin
shilling it to everyone it pumps and he dumps it on all your heads it's the same thing it's a pvp
game it's a ponzinomics scam it is what it is whether we like it or not but to go and point
fingers at who's allowed to scam and who's not that that's where it gets corny, in my opinion.
When do you get to the level where you're allowed to?
A person in the audience says,
Shillin, was Aiden Ross scammed by LA Vape Cabal on stream?
We covered that yesterday.
I don't know, man.
I don't know if Aiden was in it or not, the dumping of MLG.
See, that's probably what Vanessa said. When he told his ETH, I really aiden was in it or not the dumping of mlg see that's that's probably what
um vanessa says i really think that whenever they're live dumping on you and saying they're
buying at the same time like how does aiden come in with these big buys and then he's immediately
down twelve thousand dollars well i see you know like he's telling everyone to buy but the price
is going down like how is that happening?
Because his viewers don't even have crypto wallets yet,
but everyone else has their finger on the trigger who in the group chat,
the last three days knew that he was going to be on stream ready to sell.
Probably allegedly.
You got Larry wheels now going on to Aiden Ross' stream books.
Today, he's going to be on Aiden Ross' stream.
Myron Gaines, the gatekeeper.
Let him in.
Are we going to get him in here today, bro?
I've given up on him.
I tried my best to lead him down the right path.
He's decided the wrong path is the right path.
I tried to save my boy Larry because I like him.
I wouldn't waste my time if I didn't like the guy.
Can't save everyone.
No, he's fallen victim.
Heavy now is calling Vanessa the Virgin Mary.
Real.
Yep.
Vanessa, did you see ZachXBT's article?
Oh, yeah, Alex.
I was fixing my phone and I read it. they could say the same about you Alex says Nancy
who said that
yeah I other
oh my god
their bio is I'm a Midwest Republican
That believes in the republic
Okay
Republic of what?
I don't know
Congo
China
Books these are the biggest
Crypto savers
Don't books me
You better be careful with Nancy
Nancy Guthrie You better be careful with Nancy.
Nancy Guthrie?
You better be careful with Nancy, Alex.
You ever mention Nancy's name in vain again, we're going to have us a problem.
You hear me?
That's Nancy.
Look, these are the biggest crypto spaces, and we have not shilled a meme point in ages.
What's that say about crypto?
It says this shit is a dud.
That crypto is a dud?
We can't.
No, if we were scumbags,
we could shill a meme point every day.
Oh, I know.
That's the difference between us and others.
People don't understand.
That's what the problem in the space is, is that people are so greedy.
They don't give anything That's what the problem in the space is, is that people are so greedy.
They don't give anything a chance to even win.
You're already moving the next thing, you know, like two hours later.
They got to put, like, I think we got to make a general rule of 72 hours.
Whatever you shill, you got to stick to shilling it for 72 hours.
And you got to get it tattooed on you.
Bro, but what they'll do is, you know,
they'll show you something and then three hours later, they're showing you another thing and it's like,
wait, was I supposed to sell the last
thing you just showed? Like, I thought we were all
about to push this and they're like, oh, yeah,
I sold that at the top. It's a skill issue.
They'll make fun of you. It's like,
it's a skill issue. You got to be quicker
than that or, you know, game.
If it's multiple in one day, I mute them.
It's like game is game.
Yeah, I know.
But these are like some of the biggest accounts that are doing this shit.
It's like, damn, dude.
Like, you don't think Brooks and I could be doing that shit?
Y'all better put some goddamn respect on our name.
We've never had our accounts hacked.
We've never had our wallets drained.
Bro, I remember Frank, you know, he sold D-guys,
and then the very next day, his wallet got hacked
and was serial-launching meme coins.
And you guys believe that shit.
How is someone...
Like, I feel like if anyone's going to be a target of a hack,
it's going to be Books or Ali.
Like, how have we not gotten hacked?
That's what I... Just ask yourself that.
The speaker, no. hack that's what i just ask yourself that the speaker known
whenever we show something it's it's you know we're not showing you something the very next day we give it time but we have we have realistic expectations we know after three i think after
three days you know something if it's not going to if it's not going to run, it's not going to run, guys.
If it's not going to catch, it's not going to catch.
Three days, everyone knows about it, and then you're on to the next.
But the problem is books.
The problem is books.
People get so goddamn greedy, and then they want to shill something every, you know, every fucking three hours.
They're like, oh, my God, I just sold the top on that.
Time to shill a new thing.
And we get
no consolidation. They dilute
their emotion, though, with each one.
So eventually they wash out.
In my opinion.
They do.
I try to help people like BigKaz
because, bro, he'll make a tweet about how KOLs are ruining crypto.
And I'm like, bro, if you were a KOL, we would have, you know, 10K toppers.
You would be selling from 5K to 10K.
And you'd be moving to the next and calling people retards, skill issue.
And we would get nothing.
We'd get nothing.
But they don't see it that way.
They look at, like, the KOLs as the bad guy.
And I'm like, I don't think these KOLs wanted to be KOLs.
Maybe they did.
I don't know.
Some people did.
Some people are obsessed with it.
Books, did you want to be a KOL when you signed up for Twitter?
No, bro.
I just wanted to pump my bags.
I cared about pumping my bags.
That's it.
That's the only thing I cared about.
That's it.
Like, how do I pump my fucking bags?
And if you got good at pumping your bags,
then you got recognized.
But, you know, if you're like Big Cuz
and can't pump it past 10K
and you're on to the next one,
you just, you know,
stayed in Big Cuz irrelevancy
for fucking five plus years
and the founder don't know your name
rather than calling them out
wait do you have the rest of it jaw of course that dude stuck with bit connect and that shit went you know one of the highest tokens ever he didn't go i'm gonna show dick connect lick connect i heard that you were talking about me.
I was over here.
That's not true.
What happened?
Nothing, G, nothing.
Okay.
Well, he said, well, look, look, see what he said?
This is what, this is what Big Cuzz said today.
He said, there's a difference between sharing and shilling.
he said there's a difference between sharing and shilling he said if you share it in a private
chat but you show it on the public public timelines like there's a different percent
no and there's more to it shilling is when you already bought it and you leverage your audience
or followers and chill it to them so you could dump on them and sharing is like sharing a mint
before it even happens like i do shit like that
you know sharing information with your friends so everyone can make money don't wait until after
you bought it and then chill it but you should always buy information before but i'm done i'm
just going over here and cook on this nft mint that i did today what's the alpha i'm saying bucks
already 3x in the first 20 minutes you have a good alphabet? You see what I'm saying, Bucks? Already 3X in the first 20 minutes.
Have a good day, man.
You see what I'm saying, Bucks?
Be your own people.
He don't want the information.
Like, Nicky, I don't know what...
He can't handle the truth because...
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I'm just trying to help you
to make money.
Privately.
Not publicly.
Privately, my friend.
Hey, because...
How are you betting on this um insider
trading who do you think's doing it i don't even know what you guys are talking about today
meteora do you think axiom who do you think the books is right i think it's meteora
i just switched my vote you didn't see the poly market pop up on meteor yesterday yeah it popped up because we
were talking about it like we can sway the votes out but because i guarantee you if we start saying
some like i guarantee it is meteora and here's why and just start making like you know back to
the libra days where they were caught insider trading like really starting persuade people we
would we would sway the vote but we don't do that because you see responsible
kols we could go right now we could go right now and and buy um yes it's meteora for 30 cents and
then pump it to 50 cents and then dump it you know take our two acts like that but we're responsible
you would do it given the chance chance. That's the difference.
Everyone go buy Mega Honey Bears right now.
You see what I mean?
You see what I mean?
I'm just kidding.
He was serious, too, wasn't he?
And that's why Mika can be with the most relevant streamer in the world
and fall off on the same day.
You'll still use fucking 13 protocols
and less than you can open your phantom wallet.
It's like, damn, Mika,
like I was just buying Binder.
Now you're showing me this app you built?
Like, which one is it?
So you just can't keep up with these people
and you end up just burning a lot of people along the way.
But if you just get behind something,
try to keep pushing it,
eventually it works
and a lot of people make a lot of money it's just you got to be in the game for a long time to understand this big guys
honey knows i think big cut's pretty new to crypto twitter to be honest
honest when did you get in crypto twitter big guys
when did you get in crypto twitter big guys
um i think my four-year anniversary just passed like two days ago
i got in here 2022 and nfts the first one was invisible friends really you think you think
he's going to expose um coinbase for their insider trading, I don't think it has anything to do with Coinbase.
Oh, boy.
It's probably now, it's got so hype,
and when he responded saying he didn't expect that type of response,
it feels like it's not going to be as big as he,
like him saying that means it's not a big company. I think that's him covering. Oh, he's not going to be as big as he, like he didn't, him saying that means it's not a big company.
Like one of the biggest.
I think that's him covering.
he's not going to,
he's not going to fuck up,
you know,
possible business.
You know,
his whole business is like reaching out to people and like,
I'm going to write a truth threat.
Like he's not going to fuck up his business.
Like he's going to go after a big,
he's going to go after a soft target that has no social presence, no social defense. Like you're crazy. If he's going gonna go after a big no He's gonna go after a soft target that has no social presence no social defense like you're crazy
If he's gonna go after you know something like pump fun
Pump one's gonna have all their goons and is a no, you don't want that don't fuck up his whole business
Meteor is dragging it out to to too long like putting a date on it. That's so weird. It's not a TV show.
It's an investigation, bro.
If you got people you can expose,
what are you putting a date on it for?
Just expose it.
The date was crazy to me.
That's what.
Extremely.
Especially like four or five days away.
Does he still work for Arkham?
Like he does these for Arkham, these investigations
he just has
advisory for
does he have to
does he work for Arkham as well?
does he have to disclose who he works for
no, I'm just asking if he works for Arkham
I wasn't sure if he used to, I thought he did
but I don't know
when he's exposing people and doing these investigations
does he have to expose everyone he works for now?
Like with the Nikita Bear shit?
I mean, he should have disclosed he was working for Paradigm a long time ago,
but he didn't, so I don't think he will.
The problem is, how's Nikita Bear going to prove,
oh, yeah, this person works for that?
Like, there's no way you can prove it.
Bro, they need to bring back users to this application.
The daily active users
is now lower than Pinterest.
Like, imagine being new to Twitter
and then
when you get here, it's like, who's this Nikita
Bear motherfucker? I've never heard of this dude in my
life. And he's like all over your
timeline with shitty take after shitty take
after shitty. You immediately uninstall the app.
There's no outreach
for this fucking application. It's just us, guys.
We're it.
That's it.
This is the final frontier.
This is all we got.
So go out today. What's that?
What would you do if Elon
appointed you the new Nikita Bear?
Oh, I would fix everything.
The problem is the problem with me is I would fix everything and I would, the problem is,
the problem with me is I would fix everything
and then, you know, these investors would be fucked.
All these people like Paradigm
that put in a lot of money
to hard shill as crypto products would be fucked.
I'd make sure retail wins.
But you can't buy me out.
That's the issue.
Like, I just wouldn't work with him
because he couldn't buy me out.
Like, I just, I'd look at the terms and conditions. I'd be like, I'm good, dude. Like, that's the issue like i just wouldn't work with him because he couldn't buy me out like i just i'd look at the terms and conditions i'm like i'm good dude like that's
the problem with me gotta have a conscience so not a lot of people do have one of those
that's why they um that's why they're like fucking suicidal these days it's like bro what do you have
to be suicidal about like how how what's that oh going to say, do you think people don't have one because it's too hard to spell?
That too.
Con science.
It's very easy.
It's the opposite of science.
Your conscience.
Whoa.
Wait, what?
Is that not how it's spelled?
Oh, dude, my brain broke in three different ways yeah
well it's it's the opposite of science bro it's this may-up bullshit that people try to leverage
more high ground on it's like well you know you got this thing that that's called your conscience
oh okay i got it you can't scientifically prove bullshit,
but, you know,
because I think it's bad because my culture beliefs believe,
you know, killing people are bad,
so will your conscience.
I'm like, no,
that's probably a culture belief
and not your conscience.
I believe your conscience
is probably something along the lines like,
I'm holding my breath underwater
and my conscience says,
I need to come up for air.
Like something that's just in your genetics,
not something that you're taught.
We weren't, we weren't, we didn't,
bro, if we didn't get taught it was,
it wasn't bad or good to kill humans,
we wouldn't know the difference,
but we're taught that.
Same thing like animal kingdom.
They don't know whenever they're killing like their own kind,
you know, it's quote unquote bad.
We've just made it morally bad,
but you know, we try to say it's your conscience.
It's con science.
Now you learned something today, guys.
I got to hit the gym now.
I'd love to sit here and smoke and joke with all you guys
and try to debate what's insider trading, what's not.
And when I know, my conscience tell me
what is insider trading, what's not.
You know, whenever you're working for a paid venture capital,
there's probably a lot of insider trading going on there because I'm not naive to the whole situation. When there's money
on the line, I definitely know there's some things that will happen because I'm not naive to the
situation. I've seen firsthand experience from these people that they don't make the right
integral decision when the time is there. When the money's on the table, it's like, are you going to
choose the money or are you going to choose integrity? And nine times out of ten,
they choose the fucking money.
Just beware out there,
guys. Those guys who say they're going to help you
and not
drown you are the same people that are pulling you down.
I thought you don't go to the gym anymore.
I don't. I just wanted to
rug the space because I'm going to watch some
TV, actually. Have a good day, guys.
