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So, we wait for Johnny to try and join us to become a speaker in the call host. We don't have to wait all of us here. So, Benjamin, thank you for joining us.
and welcome to our AMA space today. Could you maybe just give a few words about yourself, you know, what did you do at scale and how did you get involved with this?
Yeah, absolutely. And thank you for having me on today. So my name is Ben. I am the senior partner marketing manager at scale. So my role essentially is to work with all
All of the applications and partners that are coordinated with scale in terms of amplifying their marketing efforts at the end of the day, that means running co-marketing campaigns, doing appearances like this.
Basically, talking all things scale and making sure that the projects that are building on scale are finding as much success as possible, right? Because as a blockchain network scale is essentially infrastructure. So we want the projects that are building
on top of us to be as successful as possible because that means that scale is ultimately going to be successful as well. When it comes to how I got into crypto, I had a good friend who a few years ago took a
deep dive in, and then I call him my crypto muse in that the two of us began just kind of being NFT degenerates, but not on Ethereum on all of the different kind of
Layer 2's, the different types of networks that maybe were a little bit newer to the NFT space. And so really getting into the weeds and discovering NFTs and playing around with that, playing around with staking, liquidity pooling, getting my hands really dirty and to all things crypto.
And then I got the opportunity and got connected with the scale team to come on board and use my background in the tech world program and project management and marketing to come in and fill the role that they needed as this partner marketing position.
That's amazing how long have you been with scale now? Just about a year.
Okay cool cool awesome to hear so let's maybe dive more into what scale is and so on could you perhaps like explain more in terms of
of, you know, like the basics, what really skin it is. So let's say you're at a coffee shop and you meet a stranger and they've never heard about it. How would you explain in the simplest terms what exactly is it?
Yeah, I love this question. And the reason I love it is because oftentimes, Web 3 World crypto can be a very daunting thing to understand for people who aren't living in it day in and day out. So thank you.
you for asking this. The easiest way that I can describe what scale is is we are an Ethereum scaling solution that provides the opportunity for applications to run faster and cheaper and build faster and
cheaper than they would if they were to build their applications on Ethereum themselves and do so in a way that provides the end user with the opportunity to enjoy those applications without paying any of those nagging gas fees.
Sorry for that. In the background, they were trying to sort out the public joining and being able to come to be as a speaker. So I'm just jumping in last minutes. So I'm just a bit like all over the place here. So we're just sorry about that.
But could you maybe then also tell us what's the backstory of the network? I mean, how did all start? Of course, we know regarding the network freeze and so on. So was that like the main thing you came to fix or for
Can you perhaps dive more into it? Yeah, so what I've heard from a few different times about hearing, you know, our co-founders talk about how they started scale. Jack and Stan were both interested in finding unique solutions on the application.
In use cases for how to scale off of Ethereum, again on the app side, and then they realize coming together that why are we focusing on individual apps when we can launch a network, and we can build it out in a vastly different way than anything that is currently available.
available. And one of the main features, and both of them agreed on this, is the fact that end users shouldn't have to pay gas fees. And a lot of the problems with the current scaling solutions that are available is they're built to scale vertically.
So, what happens is, as more and more applications and more users join these blockchains, if there's network congestion and gas fees come into play, right? Because the validators are disincentivizing people from processing their transactions on chain.
you're going to reach a point here to say, you know what? I don't want to do it. It's not worth it. The way of scale is built, it's scale horizontally, meaning that the scale network is actually a network of what's now differently, different five things.
the key point of change is to have the computer power of a computer power drop of an individual chain. But they're all connected back into Ethereum soon. They have a huge still-of-the-technition on the chain as each one is connected.
And the second part, dying into the zero gas fees ass, is thinking about, you know, from a purely, you know, a techno-s and a good, just to be fair. Somebody who's developed, let's see, we'll call it a, come on.
1000, 2000 people playing your game. We honest as a side cheer that requires to pay a capacity of gas is spike. You can't even lower a car. You're going to be that out of your mind.
I see my share game down on scale. What we do is the applications actually rent a chain so they pay a fixed fee to rent access to a chain and then it's fully customizable. They can do with it what they want, but you're renting
access to that chain and then the validators are paid a flat monthly fee as well. So there's no worrying about what the gas fees are when both sides are putting that access to the gas.
And tell you these things can perform these transactions that are taking place, having to worry about paying any gas fees.
You were cutting out there quite a lot, but I think the main point is that you guys have zero gas fees, which is amazing. And I didn't hear too much.
much about it how it all works because it just seems like there's some network insurance as well. But maybe to clear it all out, could you maybe compare it to
Let's say other blockchains like Ethereum, like what is the difference in how it works just to go over it a little bit again, maybe the connection now is better, so we hear it better.
Yeah, and that's great and I apologize. I don't know what's going on over here.
But when we compare to Ethereum, we
are in Ethereum scaling solutions. We're EVM compatible. We look at Ethereum and we think they have won the layer one wars. They're the blockchain solutions for the future. But there's millions of people performing
transactions, engaging with Ethereum on a daily basis, that causes a slower network and a more expensive network. So scale, what we offer is the ability to run your applications
But in a way that links back into Ethereum, but you still have harness the power and the security of Ethereum, but you get this speed and affordability of building on scale with our instant finality.
And again, with those zero gas fees, so you're able to perform a lot more transactions with the security of being on chain a lot faster and a lot cheaper, doing it on scale than if you were doing it on Ethereum. So that's, you know, kind of how we compare to Ethereum in that
we believe that they're the champion of the Layer 1 battle. And so we're kind of giving that Ethereum a larger community an opportunity to provide and run their applications while still connected to Ethereum, but in a much more efficient way.
I hope that's the story. Yeah, that's a nice thing to do. Thanks for that. I guess this is also where where the name of the network comes in, I guess it's, you know, to stay all right. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, we're scale, we help scale, and we believe that we have the best solution for different applications that are out there.
So you also just had a major announcement regarding the levitation protocol. So could you
Tell us a bit more about it. What is it? Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for asking. I mean, this has been a long time coming. And so, you know, the scale community as a whole members of the scale labs team, you know, the ones that usher and make sure that
the scale network as a whole is run properly has been working very hard on the levitation protocol. And what that is, is that is scale dipping our toes or diving headfirst into the ZK roll
Olups Arena. And we've seen a lot of different projects that have come out with different ZK solutions. It's the what we could call the race-to-scale the Ethereum ecosystem. And the ZK roll-ups have emerged as the go-to solution.
But a lot of the ZK EVMs that have been released previously have at least one major problem and that major problem is they're very centralized and they're often running on AWS or Google Cloud servers. What makes
our scaling solution or the levitation protocol different is that
It's decentralized. It's decentralized. We have the way the scale network is set up. Each of these scale chains can turn into a ZK opportunity.
can turn any existing scale chain and implement ZK. We also have the option of doing interoperability and the modulatory so that each module or the ZK can interact with each other seamlessly.
you're not having these things exist in silos anymore. And then also, you know, one of the main aspects of ZK rollups is security. So on the levitation protocol, you've got the common security in that multiple ZKRs.
run in a common environment which enables a common ledger of transaction and eases the interaction of rollups. And we've also built an open source. So there's not one type of ZK. We're open
into all versions. And one of the main benefits of scale again is our zero gas fees. So each scale chain now can either use our zero gas fees or implement ZK functionality.
Cool. In terms of like, you, ZK roll ups to someone who doesn't know exactly what it is, could just maybe really, really shortly try and explain that as well.
Oh, now you're trying to give me to speak a little bit more technical than I know, but I'll try and do this as best as I can without coming off sounding like a...
I'm sorry for putting you out there. Yeah, so you know my interpretation of ZCable ups is it's when there are very
sensitive data that you're trying to move around. And you want to make sure that it's extremely secure. So you utilize a ZK roll-up for this because of the mathematical
equation makes it very difficult to have anything take place with that data. But at the same time, it's also extremely expensive because of the computing power that is going into it.
Well, there's a lot of moving parts in crypto right now, right? A lot of stuff that people really want to make sure doesn't get hacked, doesn't get stolen or taken from them. So these people are instituting in these EK rollups.
That's about as much as I can get into. I hope that helps. But yeah, it's a more secure solution to transacting on chain.
Yeah, I mean to be fair like I don't know too much regarding technical parts either but I hope that that was a done
various projects on it. So, are there some perhaps that you would like to talk about? What are some of the exciting projects that have already launched some scale?
Yeah, absolutely. And so, you know, I'll start off. Can you hear me?
So I'll start off by saying one of the main focuses or one of the main things that we have noticed with scale over the last several months is that because of the zero gas fees and the instant mentality we've seen that a lot of games have made a conscious effort
to either build and launch on scale or go multi-chain with still being live on other chains or move over from other chains because the zero gas aspect the instant finality allows their gamers to play games faster
seamlessly and as developers they have the fun paths and fun challenge of figuring out how much they can store on-chain versus off-chain. So we've had a lot of games that have decided to build on scale if you go over to our scale blog scale.space.
base, backslash, blog, you know, each week we're announcing all these new games that are building on scale. We just recently had a game that launched on scale, which is called Untitled, and it's a platformer game if you've ever played.
like Super Mario Brothers or Donkey Kong or one of those ones where you're jumping around and you're collecting tokens. That game just launched is super fun. The guy is a former speed runner of these games so he built it in a way that would be challenging to him. He doesn't like limitations
So you can go forwards, you can go backwards, you can go up, you can go down. This whole world that's built with on-chain connectivity and you're able to play it seamlessly. We've got a game that just entered its beta called 0x battlegrounds and it's a first-person
shooter and the interesting aspects of this game is that all of the weapons are NFTs. So if you're running around playing, you're picking up a gun and you're shooting it in this arena where there's a hundred other people playing with you at the same time and you're actually minting
that weapon in real time. And then if you want to throw a grenade, you're burning that NFT to throw the grenade. So they're instituting these really fun ways to utilize blockchain technology. And if we step outside of gaming, we've got a project
object called "exord" that is indexing the best way I can describe it is they're indexing the internet to perform sentiment analysis to remove the aspects of fake news and fake information that's being spread.
they're doing it in a decentralized way. But what they're doing is they're performing some of the heaviest transactions on chain. I think that I've ever seen, of course, I don't go too far back, but probably many have seen in that and they're able to do it because they
don't pay any gas fees on scale. But they had transactions they've done, you know, over a million transactions in a few days that have saved a couple hundred million dollars worth in gas fees. And they're able to do this all on scale. The only
network they're able to do this is on scale because of the zero gas environment. But it's just another unique way of looking how can we decentralize this dissemination of information so that everybody can get access to it.
and truly get what news is real, what's being what is real, what's fake, and be able to form their own opinions on stuff.
That sounds really amazing. The fact that regarding your mentioned before, in the first version shooter, you throw a grenade and you lose your NFT, that sounds pretty interesting. But I'm just wondering, does it go too far with all these NFTs and so on? But I guess that's just
Just like a game developer thing really is not so much about your network yourself, but I'm also really happy to say that it seems that Johnny is finally co-host so I'll give the word over to him and welcome Hello everyone, really
Yes, yeah, Johnny. Go. Finally, that was a bit of a helpful. So I'll take over the questions. Nice to meet you, Ben. I've been listening as well. So what are the kind of next steps for scale?
network. Do you have kind of like a roadmap or an idea of what's coming after? I know you've just had this huge launch and obviously we can't just talk about the next one. No, I mean, obviously, we gotta be thinking forward, right? So, you know, we had this launch, but
It's like, you know, pat ourselves on the back. You know, congratulations, but what's next? Yeah, I mean, our engineering team is hard at work. Our developer relations team is meeting day in and day out with these different applications that are building, currently building to launch. So,
I mean, outside of just projects launching on a weekly basis, what we're working on is, and I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to talk about it. So I'm not going to give the name of it. And hopefully I don't get slapped on the wrist for this. But we've got something we're working on that allows for
projects that are based off of Ethereum or some of these later tools. And they don't necessarily want to move their assets over to scale.
But we're working on something that allows them to still get the benefits of scale. So say they're a large NITT project. And one of the things on their roadmap is they want to launch a game.
But they don't want to move 10,000 assets or whatever it is from Ethereum over to scale. We're working on a solution that allows for these projects to still get the power and the access of the scale network.
of the zero gas fees of the instant finality while still retaining the physical or the digital assets on Ethereum. They can still build their game, watch their game, the members of their community can play the game on scale while retaining everything on Ethereum.
So that's something that I know I'm excited about, you know, as a marketing person and being able to talk about that and explore what we can do with the different projects around that solution.
Yeah, that does some very interesting a lot of possibilities as well to jump into which is a Good thing with all projects, you know This is kind of connected a little bit, but where do you kind of see scale in next five years like long-term goal?
Yeah, you know, we want to be the Ethereum scaling solution. You know, we talk about the fact that Web 3 is sort of this
never ending push, like technology as has been proven in history wins and blockchain technology is winning and it's taking time but the momentum is growing. But how do you onboard, you know, not only
the next million users, the next 100 million, but the next billion people into blockchain, it's by creating these invisible blockchain solutions. It's about making people, having people on blockchain without even
realizing that they're utilizing blockchain technology. And we believe that scale has the best solution for that because of the speed that our network operates at. And because we offer the solution that allows for zero gas fees, like you're not
paying transaction fees for things. If you're using you know Venmo, if you're using your credit card, you know, you're not paying transaction fees every time you're doing something like that. So why should you know, why should you be having to do
that when you're trying to do things on chain. So we believe that scale can provide that experience, can provide that infrastructure layer that onboards the next billion users. And we're seeing that now with
already with some of the projects that are working with us in that, you know, layers of friction like logging in with the wallet or having a wallet, creating a wallet, logging in with a wallet, making sure that you have, you know, the correct token in order to, you know, utilize
and network. All of these things we've got projects that are working on to remove that friction. So you can log in with the social log in if you want to play these games. The developers that are creating the games on scale are creating these invisible wallets that are allowing things to happen on chain.
That players can access once they're logged in but they're logging in with their Google account. They're logging in with their Facebook account. They're logging in in ways that they have traditionally become accustomed to so in five years, you know, we've expanded our
reach more people are aware of scale, more projects continuously are building on scale, and we're providing that experience that allows for everyone who's interacting with blockchain to be doing so, whether or not they want to know that they're doing it.
Yeah. Great answer. I guess a little bit tied to that as well. What do you think is the biggest issue in the crypto industry right now? Is it adoption? Is it the technology? Is it too confusing? Something like this?
Yeah, I think it's a little bit of everything. Right. It's anything new kind of instantly gets met with apprehension. So, you know, cryptocurrency, blockchain, you start talking
about the different ways that, you know, transactions, you know, terminology that people don't understand. There's going to be some initial apprehension, a little fear. Oh, you need to have a digital wallet. Well, if I'm not physically touching it, if I'm not swiping a credit card, if I'm not
holding cash, how do I know it's real? So I think there's that. I think a lot of the press right now around blockchain technology is too focused and too centralized on some of the aspects of
about the effects, the fear about these, you know, packs for people in the billions of dollars. And so, you know, that brings more information about people adopting it.
Then you hear, you know, I mean, I don't know how many times you've probably heard this. I know I have it's like, oh, I bought an NFT and then you know a friend who doesn't know anything about it just says, oh, like I just took a screenshot of it. Ha ha now I own it too. So there's this last
of understanding about how the technology works. And also, again, like people that aren't in it and it comes down to education of getting people aware of how it works and the benefits of it. But yeah, I think that's that's kind of
what I think is holding back or adoption.
Yeah, I totally agree. I always say that if my mother can't understand it at all or can't use it, then that's the major stumbling block that we need to focus on education and get people more aware of their possibilities.
So kind of wrap things up. Is anything that we've missed and that you want to maybe share with the community? Like any updates or links or anything like this? And then we'll throw it over to have a few questions from the people that are listening.
Yeah, I mean, just in general, I would say for those, you know, I'm assuming if you're listening to this, you understand Web 3. I would just say continue educating, continue learning. You know, check us out, scale.
We are, you know, I think we're a muted speaker on here. So follow us on Twitter. We have a lot of stuff coming out consistently. And it's not just announcements about new partners that are building or new partners that are launching. We place an emphasis on
education and awareness as well, having an understanding of what are the benefits of scale. Why should you be utilizing scale and then greater high level about blockchain technology as a whole? So check out our website scale.space.
Follow us on Twitter and then as you see if you see projects that are Seem interesting to you or things that might peak your interest Check them out play the games, you know dive into the applications if you know any project I'm gonna show you
So, I think that's what I'm talking about now. Or is looking to work with the team that's very hands on and able to help you figure out all of the technological difficulties of blockchain. You know, we have a number of different grant programs available on our website as well.
No, it sounds great. I'll open up the chat for a couple of questions, but please ladies and gentlemen, no spamming or anything like this or weird questions. So if anyone wants to raise their hand or request, I can lay be a speaker and then you can shoot your question.
Okay, I think Prima has one.
I'd invite you to speak, Prima.
or Quinn if you have your question you can also ask your question.
I don't see any questions getting asked so.
Good evening. Hello. Hello, good evening.
Yes, yes, can hear you in good evening. Okay. My question is, are there any strategies to recruit people with blockchain experience to your team?
Yes, in any openings that we have to join the scale labs team, you can find on our website. But we're always looking for people to either join the team or if you've got an idea and you want to build
You know, to check out our GitHub, check out any of the grant programs that we do have that for innovators, for builders. We're constantly looking for people who are interested in a blockchain space who have blockchain development experience.
Okay, okay, but do you have ambassador's program? Yes, we do and we have an ambassador program. You can see that
I'm trying to see if I can pull up the link for that, but it's on our website and there is an application to join our ambassador program as well. And we've got ambassadors
that are around the world that are, you know, we work hand in hand with from the Skill Labs team.
Okay, okay, thank you very much.
Thank you. Thanks for the question. And then one more from Prima that is requested now.
And I'll just add for the Ambassador program, if you go to scale, SKAL.space.
backslash community and scroll down. There's a link to the become a scale ambassador that you can apply for.
Hello, can you hear me? We can hear you. I'm looking at a little map. What feature will you use in the size you need most? What are we looking to respect in the corner of the map?
I'm sorry, I didn't catch that.
Can you hear me? Hello? Yes. Yeah, looking at your look map. What's the show? Would you say a site to you the most? What are we expecting in the coming months? Yeah, the feature that excites me the most is that the one
I talked about where you can keep your assets on the Ethereum and utilize the benefits of scale without having to move or bridge those assets over because it just opens the door for so many more people who are a little bit wary about moving.
project from where they currently are but still want the benefits of scale. And I just, you know, I think that at the end of the day, as much as I want scale to be the winner, blockchain has many different use cases and you're seeing many different blockchain networks that are built
out with different use cases. And so there's going to be multiple winners and the future is multi-chain. So having the ability to keep assets on one chain and utilize another chain for their benefits is going to be instrumental in thinking the adoption of blockchain as well.
Thank you. I think that's very useful. Thank you very much. Thank you. That was a great question.
Okay, I think we'll wrap it up there. Thank you everyone for taking part and thanks Benjamin for taking your time out of your day to speak about scale network.
And until next time everybody, there'll be more upcoming AMAs and this time next time I will make sure that the connection is better. Yeah, Johnny, thank you for
having me and you know thank you to the Atomic Wallet team in general for the support you've been given to to the scale network so appreciate it and I hope everybody here has a wonderful Friday.
Likewise everybody, have a great weekend and we'll see you at the next day in May.