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IP Rights 🔥NFT’s🔥Art 🔥Music 🔥
Recorded: June 17, 2025 Duration: 1:47:42Space Recording
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In a vibrant discussion among crypto enthusiasts, key topics included the upcoming project launches, strategic partnerships, and the integration of AI in blockchain technology. Participants expressed excitement about new token launches and fundraising opportunities, highlighting the growth and trends shaping the future of the crypto ecosystem.
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Thank you. What's up everyone?
Going awesome.
Hey boys.
Hey, good evening Rose.
Can you hear me?
I can.
We're going to have a few more people filter in, I think.
And I think, let me see if I can.
All right.
We got Staxed, our special guest tonight.
We got MetaRides. We got Terry. We got Zelan. Loving it. We got Staxed, our special guest tonight. We got MetaRides.
We got Terry.
We got Zelan.
Loving it.
We got Mega.
So are you out on the road, boys?
Yes, I am.
I'm kind of traveling through the mountains of Pennsylvania this evening.
So I'll pardon me in advance if I get cut off or I break up or I have to make some round trips tonight.
But I will do the best I can to keep a good connection.
Super awesome.
We certainly appreciate you co-hosting with me and keeping the IP going.
Absolutely. I'm looking forward to this week's show. I know we got special guest Stacks. I want
to find out what's going on with him, find out some of the insights that he's had. And I know
he's often working on other projects in the background that aren't
related to just what he's doing here and uh i'd like to get a little bit of insight on how those
things are going and and how they kind of you know differ in doing that over what he's been
doing with the nft project so i'm really looking forward to it i don't know how much i have about
all the side projects I'm doing
because they're all only half done, so not even that much.
But, yeah, I'll see what I can think about that stuff.
Yeah, it's going to be fine.
Whatever you say, it's going to be fine.
And I think Arnold's joining us in a little while.
Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah.
So when he comes, we're going to circle back to him because I had him on the slate for
last week and we really didn't get to talk about some of those things.
I mean, we had such a good space, but just want to circle back to him for a minute
absolutely so yesterday was a good space that J rock had on Father's Day had
quite a big turnout gave away some prizes at the end had a lot of good
discussions what did you think about yesterday?
Yeah, I guess I didn't really expect that.
And that was the point, right, for the giveaways.
And it was pretty awesome.
It was a nice space with most of us that normally come.
So it was a nice family space and always good to see people winning, right?
So a few people got orange-pilled thanks to you and Mega.
That was awesome.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, I've been fortunate to be part of this family for many, many years.
And, you know, this family has definitely given me more than I've been able to give back.
So and, you know, it was a good thing when, you know, Mega was kind enough to get me off of zero on Bitcoin.
I'd just been, you know, dragging my feet.
I had so many other things to do.
But then that kind of, you know, put the good spark into it.
And I didn't really need to do more research on it kind of, you know, put the good spark into it. And I didn't really
need to do more research on it because I've done quite a bit, but it certainly got me going and I
appreciated that. And I just wanted to kind of pay that blessing forward and give it to somebody
else just so that they can go ahead and maybe do the same, right? Get off of zero and go forward
with it. So, and then he so generously
even got somebody else off of zero yesterday. So we've got some amazing people in this family and
glad to be part of it. Yeah. And then there's that secret donor, right? So hats off to them
if they're in the room. I know everybody appreciates you.
Yeah, one day it's going to be funny when we find out who that is.
And hopefully we do one day when all this is said and done.
We can find out who that secret donor is because we've been going for many, many weeks on JROC's show.
It's been awesome.
Yeah, definitely a giving person.
That's for sure.
And so we definitely appreciate you.
I see Arnold joined us.
Welcome, Arnold.
Hey, Rose Marie, voice, everybody.
I'm back. Two weeks in a row what's going on you guys
we are so happy about that you have no idea
a lot of good stuff happening right yeah i think so And a lot of great conversations. And you know, this is one of
my favorite conversations. So I'm so happy to have you and Boyce at the helm here.
Good evening to you, sir.
Hey, good evening, Boyce. Can you hear me?
Yes, sir. It's definitely good to have you in here this evening. I know we only have
I know we only have you for a limited amount of time.
you for a limited amount of time.
Yeah, so we'll get it kicked off.
We've got you, and then we'll let you go first tonight
because I know you had a lot of wonderful things last week,
and the conversation took its own.
Oh, I don't know.
Can you hear Rosemarie?
I think he's dropping down, so he'll probably just take a loop.
Cool, cool. Stacks is up here. What's up, Stacks?
Hey, man. How's it going?
Pretty good, man. Excited about everything.
I'm excited about, what is it wednesday the the main sd space so i'm
excited about that oh yeah i can't wait to hear what's going on there i know right i don't that'll
be i mean everybody is like give me some juice what's going on i know but wait they had the fire emojis and big news, so I don't know. I'm excited.
You know, right?
Really?
Gotta love it.
So, Arnold, what have you been up to?
Oh, my gosh.
You know, let me just say this.
It's almost like, oh, granted, I love to work. That is not. I love to work, but I work a lot like I work about seven days a week.
And so I'm excited. I got I got I got a lot of stuff happening, especially with voice, which you guys know.
But can you. OK, but can you,
okay, voice is up there now, but especially with voice.
So that's really what I'm really geeked out about is what's coming with IP rights and what we're doing. Right. So yeah,
kind of working on that a lot, right. Getting that ready.
That almost is ready to go. So I'm just excited. Anything
IP rights, I'm excited. Yeah, that's awesome. And you had a nice Father's Day?
Oh my goodness. Yeah, it was really just relaxing. And I did a lot of grilling. And then we just,
we watched movies, we sat around. We had a great time.
And my wife's birthday was on Friday, so we had a great time Friday.
So we just had, you know, the whole weekend has been nothing but rest and, you know, a lot of good food and just enjoying that.
That's fantastic.
Glad to hear it.
So it looks like we've got a nice crowd in the space. I think I want to kick it off now. And well, first I'll say hi to Hermie. I saw you come up. Welcome.
And then we'll get kicked off and I'm going to go to you first, Arnold.
You first, Arnold.
Yeah, don't hate me.
I was in my DMs just trying to reply.
Just jumped up to say hello.
I love talking about IPP, so I'm anxious to get started on the topic IPP tonight.
Rosemary, thanks for having me, and thanks for the mic.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, Rosemary, anything in particular i know it's you know it's funny because um you you can do so
much like once you have and i'm just going to talk from my perspective because i have a lot of
z news right so once you have something that you can use to create stuff with. With artificial intelligence, you know, and just everything
that's out there now, you know, you can take that and do anything you want with it, right? So
I like the fact that the new frontier is using your, in this case, IP rights that you own on our NFTs and just trying to develop something
that you can use. For example, let me share this example with you. So you can now take
either images or videos, it doesn't matter, images or videos of stuff you own of course and you can now create scripts with that character
and create movies short form videos and things like that now i didn't realize i knew we would
talk about this months and months and months ago we knew what was coming but now it's the reality
and why that's important let me show you why that's important. You can take something that you have IP rights for and do the work.
And now you can create a film strip or something like that.
And then you can put it on YouTube.
And then if you do it right, you can monetize that YouTube channel from your short form videos or stories that you're telling. And then in the link in your
bio, you could sell what other products you want. Like you could sell, it could be collectibles,
you can sell books, right? So you're using that IP created to develop these short stories
that are relevant using whatever characters you have.
And then you can create that whole platform, right?
And now you have a money-making platform if you develop it right based on your IP.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, that's a super awesome idea.
You got to know how to use AI, right, Arnold?
That and you got to have, you know, the biggest thing I think, Rosemary, is just imagination.
Once you know that I can take whatever NFT that I have rights with, and then I can start to storyboard that if you like, right?
And then I can create stories, right?
Once you do that, and then you figure out your target market as a kid,
whatever. And then, and then you just, it's just taking the time to realize there's a lot of people
already doing it. And it's just applying your, your creativity to it. It's not a hard thing to
do, but it just, it just takes time and planning, but that's an asset that you could have for many many years right
because once we know that once you get a youtube video uh channel and you're producing that kind of
information you're getting paid not all not only off of the videos right but you're also getting
paid off of the products that you attach to that youtube channel so that business model
is a real thing and and people generate multiple
streams of income from it so can you guys hear me now we can is there so arnold let me ask you then
taking what what you know like you said you've got a lot a lot of z news and so do a lot of people in this room what kind of an age bracket and or maybe industry do you see these type of z news basically
being good for yeah i kind of think of it like um you know i look at like for example let's take
stitch excuse me not stitch but it's another it's another i'll get the character name but there's Yeah, I kind of think of it like, you know, I look at like, for example, let's take Stitch.
Excuse me, not Stitch, but it's another, it's another, I'll get the character name, but there's another character out there.
I remember when Z News first came out a couple years ago, you know, we were thinking about, you know, they're going to make movies and things like that.
I look at the cartoons that are already already out there so what I would do
this is what I would do for my market research I would go to I would go to
someone like go to the movie say either Disney or one of the movie channels and
I look at the characters that kind of look they don't look like Xenu's but
they're in that same range right and then you can see what are the age groups
and then what I would do is I would watch some of those movies.
Right. Those cartoon movies just to get an idea. OK, who this would be for.
And then this is what I'm telling you, this is what I would do. This just came to me right now.
Listen, I would ask you guys, listen to this. I would ask you.
I said, listen, this is the this is the movie I found.
And then I would upload a picture of one of my characters it could be anything, it could be one of my characters
whatever, and I would say I want to create
a short film
almost like this
movie but I want to do it for
my character
what's the age range?
give me some ideas, you see what I'm saying?
and I would just ask the AI
and it will tell you
that's how amazing that's where we are go ahead yeah no I was gonna say and that makes perfect
sense because if you find a movie let's say it's not a Lilo and Stitch but let's say uh Sonic the
Hedgehog right that that character's out there that's him that's him voice yeah that's him that's
that's the Sonic and and they've had movies etc And if you think that you've got a character that would fit well with the Sonic,
then just look at whatever that they have spent money on and how they have marketed it
to kind of get an idea, I guess, where things can go.
You should be able to find out from them what has sold, what's been popular.
Have they done well with T-shirts or mugs or
did they do better with maybe comic books or did they do better with, you know, backpacks or,
you know, whatever it happened to have been, they're going to have kind of marketing data
that's out there. So you could kind of get an idea, but I never thought about that first,
you know, watching a movie and getting ideas and then leveraging AI
along with that. And so, yeah, that's really smart reasoning like that. So let me ask you one more
question then. Now that AI is here, you didn't have access to this originally when you created
things like your shoes and you had the artwork and your coffee company. And we haven't talked about your art or your coffee company in a long time.
How do you see that AI may have changed what you had produced back then?
Would you have been able to do things differently now in the age of AI?
Or do you think you still would have created what you did
using the skills that you already have?
Yeah, that's a good question.
Back then, I had to do it manually. I did everything on my iPad. You know, I take my Xenu,
create an image and then get into some drawing tools. So I did everything manually on my iPad,
which was cool, right? I love that. Now, now you don't have to necessarily do that.
You could just take the idea and then work with these different ai tools and it does take some time trial and error to get through it but i would now do that
same image on my tennis shoe i would just create that in ai like a mid-journey or something like
that and then i would i would just you know do the design in ai ai tools i would design it first
do it in ai tools get the the pattern right. And then I would
upload that to my store, which I could then put that pattern on my shoes, right? So instead of
doing it manually, because it took an hour, a couple hours to do it, I would do it using the
AI. I'd still use my same design sort of framework, but I would put it in AI to kick it out. And it may give me, you know,
multiple iterations of it. And I can just choose which one, which, which one would be the best,
you know, like, just like Nifty was talking about, you know, having that storefront where you could
put your designs in a store or whatever. Now you can use these tools to make your designs the way
you want. So I would, I would use AI definitely now.
And that's awesome.
Some good information.
Yeah, because now you have a multiple, you know, think about it.
You can have multiple streams of income from your IP from what you already have,
which is huge, right?
So, of course, it's not going to be overnight, but if you take time over time, that IP will
pay for itself because we have these tools.
Yeah, it really is.
It's an amazing thing to have the AI, but I think Rose was right when she pointed out
you need to know how to use it, but you certainly have to be creative because, you know, people say all the time, oh, that's just created an AI.
And then you just look at them and go, okay, you go do it.
And, you know, if you don't know how to use it, it doesn't give you very good results, gives you very generic.
It's not that hard to use it, though. It does take a
bit of practice. And I have found by personal experience and talking to people, you know,
the more time you spend with it, the better you get. That's just kind of the way it works. So,
yeah, thanks for the insight on that. I appreciate it.
Yeah, no, look at Joey. We got Joey. We got Stacks. We got some experts that are in the room that they're experts at that,
like generating the images and what they do.
They're really experts. They took the time to learn it.
So, yeah, they're in the room.
Yeah, I was just thinking about that, just listening to you talk about it.
And like one of the just knowing how to use it, like a lot of people, I mean,
there's that old saying trash in, trash out. So like that, that has such a huge effect on, on AI with, with, if you just go
in and say, Hey, write me a story, like you're not going to get much out of it. You need to give it
the detail. So that's one thing that a lot of people, one of the first things you can learn
when you go to AI is like, you want to give it the detail and give it a little bit more information than what you're you know what you're looking for you got to give it
somewhere to go and i think that's just a one one of the best ways to get started in it and then
just start playing around with it there but yeah it definitely is a a skill to be learned definitely
yeah and and that's the skill set like when you hear when you hear they, you know, they say they always they always give the number.
Ninety seven million jobs will lose or some kind of number like that.
But they'll be replaced with A.I. jobs. And that's what I think you're talking because the people who are going to get these jobs,
Saks, are the people that know A.I. like you're talking about and know how to use it and know how to get that value out of it.
That's the people that are going to get the job. Now, I say going to get the job because that's
what's going to happen. That expertise in AI, you got to spend time in it. You got to learn.
You got to understand it because they're all different. All the platforms are different.
One is used for this platform. So you got to get a technology stack of AI tools that work for you. I don't know if you've heard about VO3 or, you know,
stacks, have you played around with Google VO3? I have not played around with it yet. I want to, though. Yeah, that's a whole other level.
And this is what I'm saying.
We're going into a situation where, and this is literal, no jokes aside, we're going into a situation in the next six months. or if you are somebody who does commercials you know what I'm saying like the opportunity that's
gonna happen between now the next six months and again we're talking about IP rights and all where
we're going you're gonna have to get good at storytelling and learning these these AI tools
because you will see a full feature movie
in the theaters using these type of tools
within the next six months, six to 12 months,
like for real, where you can't tell the difference.
Is that a real person or what am I looking at?
And now the people who have the storytelling skill sets
or the ability to prompt engineer in a creative way, the stories that can tell these stories.
And then you take models like VO3 and these other models that are coming on top of that and you mirror those things together.
on top of that and you mirror those things together now you just opened up a lane for yourself
that you know you could start producing on a level that you never even thought you could
yeah i'm playing with vo3 i'm just i'm just saying i i just signed up for it just now to take a look
at while you were talking yes sir and i will i would would say this too. And guys, write this down because this is really
good information. There is a tool. This is all Google now. These aren't fly-by-night companies.
They have a tool called Flow. Flow, Stacks, you would really like this. Flow is their storyboard
application, AI application storyboard for creating stories.
So once you get into VO3, you can go to Flow and you'll sign you in the Flow and you hit
Flow TV and you'll see the short films and the movies and things that people are doing
now.
And VO3 hasn't been out more than a couple of months, right?
That'll blow your mind.
And then you can imagine what you can do in another six months.
So if you, I'm just saying for those people who want to get into storytelling,
building their own channels, using their IP, right?
And producing, you know, something that, you know,
could be income producing in the future.
That makes sense because these videos get thousands and thousands of views
if you know how to make them,
like Stacks and Joey,
and a lot of creative people in here.
You guys know how to make those videos.
Those videos can get hundreds of thousands of views.
Those hundreds of thousands of views turn into income.
Yeah, absolutely.
There's a lot of creativity that's out there and i've been amazed what i've
seen i saw one earlier today where someone was just cutting pieces of fruit but the fruit almost
looked like they were gummy bear you know what i mean that kind of clear through it it wasn't the
real fruit and just the knife slicing through there and
you know it's just amazing to watch because you're right the detail that they have now before it used
to be um oh I forget what it was a couple years back there was one of a Beowulf there was one of
those cartoon movies like that and I thought that was pretty good but nowadays with the new uh Veo
3 you can't tell the difference they've seen like interviews men
on the street type of thing and the whole background and everything and none of it is real
so I think you're right it most about AI is having the ability to work it and not be afraid of it you
know when they talk about I think about a lot of the jobs,
you're going to lose your job to AI. It's more about not getting fired, but the new hires that
come in. If you can do the job and you know AI on top of that, that's likely the people who get
hired. And those are the likely the people who can produce more than people who don't know how to use AI.
And probably the easiest thing is if you feel you're in some type of an industry that could be replaced.
Let's say that you're doing some type of clerical office work and you know that AI is very good at doing that type of repetitive creative writing or just like business writing type
of things, forms and emails, et cetera.
So the question then becomes, if you learn the basics on how to help that enhance your
job, you now become that go-to expert.
And when you can do that, you've got job security over the same person who's in that
over the same person who's in that job that doesn't know how to use AI, if that makes sense.
job that doesn't know how to use AI, if that makes sense.
Yeah, because, you know, when people say AI, they just, you know, you automatically think one thing.
But like the stuff that we're talking about and having that AI stack, because there's so many out there,
it's just like, it's like doing research and doing research and okay this can do that or that this
can do that and then using that stack and then first developing your something for yourself
and then if you're an artist you can develop a portfolio right so you can develop a portfolio
of your creations and you know create a website with your portfolio right so then now as a creative
person now you have a portfolio that's on a website of things that you created with these tools.
Right. And then if that's something you want to do, you'll be the person that could get hired doing that in the future if you keep doing it.
But, you know, that's what I think it is, what AI is going to do.
with these skill sets to hone in their skills and add AI to their portfolio and then create
income for themselves or a job, right? And I always go back to the YouTube example because
people are usually, are truly using these things to create channels, to create
income for them outside of a job so to
me that's a good thing to use it for because we don't know what AI is gonna
do for jobs over the next two years so if you can create something like that
with a YouTube channel with your IP rights or your stuff and then you create
with that IP you create your own products and services based on your IP
that you're creating right and then you take something like lockbox, right?
That fits right in that, right?
Because you then get that idea, put it on a lockbox, lock that down, get the blueprint,
and then go create on a YouTube channel, for example.
And then now you have your stuff locked down and you have IP rights, and then you have
the products that you can create.
And that's outside of a job.
Well, Arnold, let me ask you if you could break that down just a little bit for people in the audience here who, let's say we've got somebody who wants to do something with their IP, Xenu or whatever they happen to have, maybe one of the dragons or I'm not sure.
I'm not sure. I don't think we could do anything with Menterides, but you know what I mean, hogs, something like that.
I don't think we could do anything with MetaRides, but you know what I mean, Hog, something like that.
How would you say that they should go about creating this kind of a portfolio that they could then gather enough information to work the idea out so they could present it to somebody?
caveat being before you wanted to present it to anybody, you'd want to gather all your information
and then use a service like Lockbox to be able to mint an NFT on that to protect yourself. So you
would have first providence of showing and demonstrating that their idea, but putting that
to the side, is there some type of thing, some type of service or program, or just kind of some
type of architecture that people should have to say,
well, if I wanted to use my Xeno and maybe I wanted to create something,
how would I put together this portfolio that people keep talking about so I could show it to investors and see if I could move it forward?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Like if you wanted to, so if that was the case, say if that was me,
and I said, okay, let me put together a portfolio of things that i can do i mean joey's a great example is right because joey's been creating
for years um and he's been learning ai and he's you know and he does an amazing job at what he
does the stacks and you know everybody on the team and so um you just get a regular website you know
i would just get a regular website um and then I would I would start playing around with these tools and what I want to do.
Right. And then I would sort of put that in. OK, this is these are the things that I want to do.
And then I would have that on the website. And then what I would do and this is what I would actually do.
Then I would take that and I say, OK, I want to do let's just say short film I want to do is a short short I'm just gonna use
that example I want to do short films then what I would do is I would tell
chat GPT to build me out it's almost like a deck on what that will look like
in terms of I want to build short films
then I want to pitch it to investors and I want to build my portfolio and I want
to build a site so I would have my idea but then I go into chat GPT and flesh
out my idea right and then and they start working on what the plan is for
that right and then I'll just start to deliver first pieces like I'll deliver
the the website and then I'll do my whatever I'm trying to do I'll build that out and then when I'm
ready excuse me when I'm ready then I put up the website and then I would
whatever it is you want to do you might want to build out a and then I would I
would take it probably to our site right right, which is what we're doing, what IP Rats writes,
and then I would mint that, and then I would have that already secured, and then I would just
social media market it, right? Just put it out there, social media marketing, and people start
going to your bio and your link, right? And then either if you want to get work from other people,
they can see your work that way, and they can contact that's a good way and then i would definitely go to youtube
right because youtube remember like youtube is your your platform where it's evergreen content
so whatever you put on youtube is going to be seen for years right depending on how you position
position it so then i would set up the YouTube channel, position it that way. And then I would
create for YouTube and just create little shorts or whatever I'm trying to do. And then over time,
that'll build up. And then, and then if you want to present it to investors, now you have all this
stuff. You have your IP done, IP rights, right? Now you have your idea, you have your website, they can contact you, you have your YouTube channel.
So you have a whole sort of creative studio already set up for investors or people who want to, you know, have you build out some of their stuff creatively.
Yeah, that's a fairly involved plan. And that's good because it beginning to kind of test the waters I know
our partner Sid has got a lot of print on demand services and the ability that he's going to be
putting out in the we platform to be able to have your own store and get a store like that
so that you could make a t-shirt or a cup or something without having to go and buy, you know, 50 or 100 of these things at a particular size.
The print on demand makes it much more viable.
I mean, there's less profit in it in the beginning because you're doing them one at a time on demand.
But the convenience of being able to test the market and see what you want to be able to do and have access to multiple things.
I don't know if it's ever going to get to the point, but I know he was the toy maker. So
maybe one day that's part of the thing. But just right now with the print on demand and what he
has and the services that he's going to be able to offer, and especially if this has to do anything
with NFTs or that that you happen to be creating, because we'll have that secondary marketplace that's in there as well.
And then, you know, a little bit later on after we launch Lockboxy, we will be having some of these additional services that are a little more professional legal services and marketing services for people.
Because a lot of the stuff you could at least right now start out with yourself to build this kind of a, you know, like you said, the pitch deck or build your whole kind of portfolio so that you've got something to be able to show to people and at least kind of work the idea through your head.
So that was very good advice. And I appreciate you kind of breaking that down for us. And I'm just wondering if Stacks, do you have anything that you want to add on to that?
I'm just wondering if Stax, do you have anything that you want to add on to that?
What I know you must have just tons and tons of kind of information and things.
Have you at this point built yourself out some type of portfolio with all the things that you're doing?
You know, I haven't. I mean, I've thought about it.
And if I did, I would do pretty much what Arnold said is I'd build a website and get everything on there.
much what arnold said is i'd build a website and and get everything on there and but i mean coming
from from my perspective i i'm i'm a web developer that i've been i've been doing that forever so
i get i have the experience to sort of mix ai and my experiences to to do that kind of thing
a lot of people don't have that that level of experience to do um but truthfully like if i was
just starting out and i wanted to make a portfolio
of all the stuff and I'm trying to get, you know, start using AI and stuff like that, you can,
I mean, as cliche as it sounds, you can just go to AI and say, hey, I want to do this. How do I do it?
And then you, it'll give you, you know, a pretty good walkthrough. And if it doesn't make sense
to you say, hey, explain that a little bit better. Hey, take step two and, and make that into a five-step process
for me. Like you can just dig down into it over and over again. Um, and, and get, uh, a blueprint
of what you want to do, um, and have it guide you as you're going. I mean, I'd say it can't do all
the work for you, but this day and age, it's starting to be able to. So, um, it's amazing. Yeah. So, I mean, it's, there's a lot
that it can do for you, but yeah, I mean, I I'd say in this day and age, it starts with,
you need somewhere on, on the web to show your, your portfolio. Um, in this, this day and age
with, with the way technology is going. It's got to be online somewhere.
And so that's where I would start.
But as for actual tools to do it,
I don't really have any specifically just because
if I want to do something, I jump into ChatGPT and say,
hey, give me some ideas on just give me some pointers,
like lead me in the direction that I want to go.
And it's pretty good at doing that so oh that's that's interesting i i didn't know that
you were you you were a web builder and are you front of the house back of the house full stack
um probably full stack i mean i aim more towards front of house house, but like I'm a developer in my real job. I do development work. So I'm full professional who's doing web-based stuff, website-based stuff, I should say.
How do you see that interacting with kind of what we're doing here with IP?
Is it difficult to incorporate, you know, the IP into the websites and build these things to have it?
Because it used to be
pretty involved and or you went to these places that had templated website designs and they were next to nothing but it looked very blah and generic. Does IP and the websites, can you
mingle them now together with either leveraging it with AI or website builder tools that are out
there to kind of help people distinguish themselves from all the noise that's out there?
Yeah, I mean, you definitely can.
So, I mean, I don't, because I haven't gotten too deep into, like,
the AI website builder type things, I know there's some out there.
But, I mean, I know I've seen, hold on, let me shut my door real quick.
My dogs are barking.
All right, sorry about that.
But, yeah, there's tools out there that can guide you through the process. even without dedicated AI website generating tools and stuff,
it really is as simple as going to chat GPT or whatever other AI you use and say,
hey, I want to build a website.
I want it to have this color scheme.
I want to use these images in it.
I've got this IP.
Use these images from this IP and make me a website.
And then it'll throw you, like you can tell it to, hey, give me the code,
give me a mock-up of what it should look like.
And then you can just iterate on it from there and say, hey,
I want to make this orange color blue.
I want to move this header over to the right.
I want this text to go here.
And you can get a basic outline of what you want it to look like now that you
still need to figure out how to go get hosting and host your website and how to
get it uploaded. Like, so, I mean,
it still takes a little bit of effort on someone's part to do it,
but it's just AI can do so much now that I, again,
it sounds cliche to answer an AI question with go ask AI.
But it really does help a lot. And but I
do know there there are, I don't know how good they are. I just know that there are some, some
of the web builders that we've seen in previous years are now starting to use AI a lot more
to help get away from that cookie cutter style shape that you were talking about,
get away from that cookie cutter style shape that you were talking about to be a little bit more advanced than what they're producing.
So. Yeah, I'm still a fan of old school.
I've been fortunate that my partner up here, Arnold, designed our website.
And I think it's just, you know, cutting edge and professional and super clean.
And, you know, I know I'm sure he did that all by hand
because he's not that kind of an AI guy, right, Arnold?
Well, no, I didn't do it all by hand.
But, you know, like Stack said, AI helps.
We're just at a juncture with AI tools
is that you got to put them in your workflow.
You have to.
It's like a pencil like as an artist you know
how you draw with a pencil you have to have ai in your workflow that's the key message have a flat
ai in your workflow somewhere because if you don't then you you're behind so you know just
like we were talking about voice that the people are going to get the jobs and the people to use
ai all we're saying is stacks is saying and i think you're saying is just put AI in your workflow, right?
Right, Stacks?
Just put it in your workflow.
Yeah, definitely.
It doesn't even need to be the entire flow.
Just somewhere in there.
Definitely.
Yeah, I guess that makes a lot of sense.
How about you, Rose?
Do you end up using AI at all in any of your daily life?
I do. I do. I have to keep reminding myself to do it. But yes, I learn a lot from it, too.
And anytime I have a question, I do what Stacks does.
And you can get some really specific answers. You have to make sure it's correct.
You have to make sure it's correct, but, you know, I found it to be very helpful.
But, you know, I found it to be very helpful.
Yeah, that's awesome.
And I hope you do, you know, take some of this to heart because I know you've got some really good ideas that you want to do for IP eventually.
And I personally, now that I've had this conversation and didn't even really think about it, I've kind of got to get cracking on putting together a portfolio because I have lots of irons in the fire and I'm doing
many things, but I don't have it organized like I should, to be quite honest with you. Not in the
way that I could say, here's a portfolio that has all my stuff at one kind of spot, but that
would make a lot of sense. And I know for the things that you've got going on,
you've got some beautiful diamonds up there and some things that you might want to do in the
future. And that certainly could, I think, help play along to moving along what you want to do
as well. Yeah, I can't wait for that diamond collection.
I think MetaRise. Oh, go ahead. MetaRise guys.
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
Yeah, so I've got two things.
One is kind of a side topic regarding AI.
Just make sure that whatever you're using, whether it's Suno for music or any of the platforms that give you art, that you read the terms and conditions and know what you can and can't use and how.
I think that that goes missed in many cases. And you never know
what's going to happen in a year or two from now when things start to drop about the way that
things were used incorrectly. The other piece is that as you're building, whether you're creating
art, creating music, creating a website, whatever, always look at AI as an expert in whatever you're working on, right?
So if there's something that you don't understand, you can ask what you can get out of it,
but make sure that you tell it what expert that you're looking for, right? So you can let it know
that you are the best Web3 developer in the world, and this is what I need. And it just gives it
enough context to give you a better answer back from the prompt
as opposed to just asking it
and then it just scrapes whatever information
that might not necessarily be exactly focused
on the topic at hand.
So you're trying to fix your sink, for instance,
act as, I always use the best plumber in the world,
whether it reads it that way or not, I don't know,
but act as the best plumber in the world, whether it reads it that way or not, I don't know, but act as the best plumber in the world and tell me exactly, you know,
what I need for this situation or whatever. So I will say this too. One of the things that I love
is being able to share photos and docs with it now. So you can actually take a document or take
a photo and include it with your question and say, listen, I've got,
I don't know, I'll go back to the plumber thing. I've got stains in my ceiling and I don't know
exactly what it's, you know, what's causing it. Act as this and tell me what you think it might be
and tell me how we should act upon that based on, you know, what you think it might be. And it will
give you all of those details. And if you treat it like an expert in a particular subject, it will give you much better answers.
But to Rosemary's point, you can't ever assume that it's the truth, especially when you're quoting stats or anything like that for a deck.
You just have to be super careful that the information that it's giving you that you understand that it may or may not be totally true.
So it's a powerful tool.
I think it's getting even more powerful.
I went to an AI convention three months ago or so,
and they were on stage talking about how AI is basically like lightsabers.
Like nobody really knows how to use them, but it's a very powerful tool.
And I raised my hand at the end of the thing and I said,
actually, you should explain that there are green lightsabers
and red lightsabers because some people use AI
in negative ways and some try to use it in positive ways,
which they actually like that analogy.
But I think that there's so much power
that's at our fingertips right now.
And if you really, really, really hyper-focus on what
you want out of it and ask it correctly, it's going to give you that more. And don't be afraid
to ask it even further questions based on what it gives you. So hopefully I didn't go off on too
far of a rant, but we use it every day here. And I think you need to as you're building in this
space. Yeah. I was just going to save me the rise just real quick. And then the stacks go, I was like, what he's saying, guys, like, we're at a point now, it has to be in your tech stack.
And you see how he gave that specific answer on how that prompt, right? So prompt engineering is
real. So when we get into these, whatever you're working on, having those prompts like he just gave, valuable information
because we're in June 2025. So this conversation of AI, we should always be having this conversation
because in the next six months, it's going to be ridiculous, right? So if we're here now,
this is a great conversation because you got to have it in your tech stack. You got to have it
in whatever you do.
So thanks for that. Yeah. And one last thing, I think that if you're making something to voice, you're making some sort of portfolio, you're creating a partnership deck for somebody
that you want to be partners with, and it's a presentation, you can use it for help. You can
ask it to help create it, but then you can also finalize it and then put it back into the system and say, give me a grade on one to 100 and tell me exactly what I can do to make it better.
And be specific. Give me detailed examples, et cetera, et cetera. And the more detail that you ask for, the more that it will give you. And then you can go back and make decisions on whether you really want to make changes or not to what you did. So I mean it's just it's crazy it's you can ask it for help
and then you can ask it for a review of what it gave you and allow you to put your little spin
on it too. So it's just insane. I mean we use it so much now and and I couldn't even imagine a day
without it now and that you know I think that like what Arnold is saying in six months, I think that that's going to be the case for most people.
Hopefully that made sense. I go off on tangents, Arnold.
Oh, that's perfect, man. This is a conversation we should be having.
I mean, like for real, like this is going to give people tools where they can create their own things we've never been able to do before.
So this will help a lot of people.
So, no, that was great.
Remember, I appreciate that.
Rosemary, did you see, was it K-Bot or we got Zombies signed up here?
Who came up first?
I think K-Bot came up.
I think, hey, everyone, I think Zombie was first.
I can wait. Oh, I think Zombie was first.
I can wait. Oh, I didn't see.
You know, maybe my screen is acting up because, you know,
sometimes you can't see people when they pop up or talking and things like that.
So, Zamanstein, go ahead.
Welcome, welcome.
Mario's in half.
Mario's in half.
Uh-oh.
I can't hear Mario. Can you guys hear Mario?
I can't hear him.
Oh, man.
I can hear you now, Mario.
Okay, that's weird. Hold on one second.
Let me change it to another microphone because that's a crappy one.
Is it still working now?
Yes, sir.
All right. So just to expand on a couple of things that MetaRides was talking about specific to
using AI because I actually use AI a lot as well. Pertaining to asking for feedback,
you can actually tell it to act like, let's say, the person that you would be presenting to. So
if you're presenting to a specific investor or if you're at work, you're presenting to a VP, you can say, hey, act like a VP of XYZ company
and grade this presentation or give me feedback on this presentation of what you would like to see.
So you can, like many other things, ask it to act like something. And people sometimes forget
that you can actually tell it to act like the person that you want
to present information to.
The other thing that you can do that a lot of people don't know
is a capability now, but both ChatGPT and Gemini
can watch a video, ironically enough,
and they can somehow watch it very quickly.
And so you can actually screen cap your computer or whatever it is that you're doing
and talk over what you're sharing as if you were sharing on a Zoom and write on the screen and use
your cursor to point that things or draw on the screen and tell it like, hey, I want this. And on
this side, I want this here. If you're going over a web page or literally anything, right?
Like as long as you can show it on screen and take that recording
and then upload it to your chat with ChatGPT and give it either no context
or provide all the context in your video or provide like a little text of context
when you upload it.
And it will watch the video and act upon whatever
it is that you just told it to do.
So you don't even need to just do screenshots anymore.
You can literally upload video to it and talk to it.
The other thing that you can do, which is it's not a great workflow right now because
of the way it works, but what you can do is you can actually open up two windows of
chat GPT at the same time.
And in one, you can turn on the advanced voice.
So you're literally having a conversation with the audio and
you can talk to it and it will respond back to you in voice.
But in the other tab, if you need to take text or something
out of there, you can manually refresh the same window.
And it will update what it's saying back to you.
So that's also a faster way and more natural way
to interact with it is you can literally
have the conversation mode going.
And if you need to, for some reason, you know, copy text out of there for
answers that it's giving back to you because you need to put it into a deck or presentation
or whatever it is, that seems to also be more natural. And it will also respond to you
differently because it's trained to speak naturally versus the way it writes to you.
Because obviously sometimes it writes to you in ways that are unnatural in conversation.
Like it'll jot down things in bullet point
or famously it'll use like a lot of M dashes
when it writes things.
But when it talks to you,
it talks to you in a very natural way.
And so you might get a more,
I guess, more human response in that sense.
And real quick, before we go to K-Bot, Zamanstein, also to double down on your first point,
you can give a little bit of information about the person you're pitching and give their LinkedIn
URL, and it will actually read that URL and find out something that will make your pitch
personable to them or personalized for them. So it is all of those pieces are there.
If you think about a way to do it,
all that tech is at our fingertips right now
to make the best presentation for somebody
or, you know, the best of whatever you're working on.
So, yeah, I love that idea. It's great.
Yeah, some super valuable information from everyone tonight.
K-Bot, you got your hand up?
Thanks for us, Marie. What's up everyone?
Arnold, MetaRides, Vance, Dressed, Zombie.
Hey, Chaz is in the building.
So in the purple pill I posted,
hey, that sounded like a little Diddy.
In the purple pill I posted some interesting chat prompts
the purple pill I posted, some interesting chat prompts because, you know, I know a lot of
talented geniuses like yourselves who are just too damn talented and really don't have a lot of time
for business. And I mean marketing. So I have a lot of friends who are very frustrated that they're not receiving their just rewards for all the hard work they've put in.
I'm talking 25,000 hours into their crafts from music to acting to visuals, art, you name it.
So I think the monetization of AI and blockchain together is something that creatives should embrace. We have AI now
that can help us, you know, figure out how we're going to make some money. Now, if you've been
working on your art for 10, 15, 20 years, you can spend six months learning a new skill with AI. And I really encourage everyone here to put on your business
suit, if you might want to say it like that, and figure out ways where we can monetize as a
community and bring it back to these spaces just like this. So I'm trying to do my part.
I believe the patents, the copyrights, the trademark systems are all a little bit antiquated and obsolete in a way.
I believe blockchain and AI can help solve that.
I'm not interested in copywriting anything anymore, whereas I don't ever see them benefiting a creator who's just like a micro creator.
And that's my opinion.
I would love anyone to challenge me on that.
If you can find a case of the patents, the trademarks helping the little guy, I would love to know that because it seems like you're going to be in court paying legal fees.
So these corporations understand and know that.
So monetization and, you know, fractionalized ownership.
So if you're putting out something, I would love to own a piece of it.
So if you have an album or, you know, like what MetaRides is doing, you can own a piece of that and collaborate with it.
I love what I'm hearing here.
So I encourage everyone to click on that chat GPT and copy and paste some of it and add to what you can to help us make some money out here because there's no good excuse.
And we have to also do it as a matter of decentralized security globally.
So it's like, you know, you make a dope ass piece of art, like an avatar cartoon, and all of a sudden they're airing it in Korea and China.
like an avatar cartoon and all of a sudden they're airing in Korea and China
you know there should be like layered art or there should be some type of
layered aspect of that piece that can't be copied it's just it's just too dope
to even be tried to be so when you talk about dynamic NFTs and in USDZ files I
don't know if you guys know about the USDZ files where they have PNGs, MP3s, GIFs.
They just have all these layers on it.
So to copy, it would really be stupid.
I'm going to land right there.
Thanks for letting me speak.
And I encourage everyone to keep going.
But let's keep building with some money in our minds.
Yeah, thank you, K-Bot.
That's definitely the reason we brought
this space together so we could all share ideas and learn from each other and hopefully be able
to use some of our IPs. So I think it's been awesome so far, and I appreciate everybody on
the speaker panel and everybody who came to join us tonight to learn some things. I see,
MetaRides, I'm going to go to you really quick
and then we're going to head over to Chaz.
Yeah, I'll go fast.
There's also a program called Coursiv,
C-O-U-R-S-I-V, I believe.
What they do is they ask you some initial questions.
How many minutes do you have a day?
Are you using this for personal or business, et cetera, et cetera?
And they build a 30-day plan for you to spend 15 minutes a day, 30 minutes a day, whatever
the case may be, learning a new AI and how it can help with what you do.
At the end of 30 days, you walk away with seven, eight, nine more tools in your tool
belt than you had when you went into it.
It is insanely, by the end of the month, it's pretty insane what you can learn.
And it takes you from somebody that just understands prompting and chat GPT and building a relationship with some sort of an AI for different reasons to a much bigger and better place. So I encourage anybody that's looking to, you know, go down that rabbit hole. It does not
take much time per day. And like I said, you do come out the other side with a lot more knowledge
and more tools. So I'll leave it at that, Rosemary, but I appreciate the mic. Yeah, thank you.
Chaz, welcome. What's up? Hi, guys. How do I do? Chaz, hold.
What's going on?
I just wanted to jump up because I've been listening to you guys.
Everybody knows that I do a lot of AI art.
Now I'm doing a lot more video and stuff like that,
mixing it up with music that I make and whatnot.
But what I wanted to talk about was that, like, so,
one of the two new...
I'm about to start a... I just started a new job today and i think
i'm going to accept another job um at a second place i do addiction counseling for a living
but what i've been doing my addiction counseling with ai is using chat tbt and feeding it pdf books
that i have like copies of it as a pdf like onto, into chat TVT, and then I have, I literally
have like literally fed it an entire book, and then said, I need an entire curriculum
spanned over a six-month period based on what's in this book, and it literally like
spit me out pages upon pages upon, like it gave me like like different different
different um printouts for the curriculum for the teacher and for my clients that i would could
give handouts to for them to write on and answer questions and whatnot and have like exercise and
whatnot they could take home with them and and use it in that way like so that's another way
you can use it it's it's amazing like I just figured that one out the other day.
And the first job that I got today, that I started today,
is working with 13- to 19-year-old youth men, young men,
at a place called St. Mary's Home for Boys,
that I'll be doing that 40 hours a week.
The other one, 20 hours a week, they want me to come over there and just help them build a curriculum for a brand-new outpatient.
They want to put me in charge of, like, building all of their group lessons,
individual lessons, all their curriculum.
They wanted me to build the entire thing from the ground up.
And I think that would look really good on a resume.
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but, you know,
I think that would look really amazing on my resume.
Like, to say that I've been able to do something like that,
and, like, within a timely passion and, like,
and a very, like, thorough way of doing it.
Because they know how good I am with AI.
And they want to employ me because they know me.
But they know that about me.
So that's pretty amazing.
I'm going to say $25 an hour to start.
So I'm not suggesting to spit at it.
Yeah, that's amazing.
That's another good use case for AI, right?
And how you can use it in a different way.
I'm trying to bring AI into therapeutic environments too when I have the chance someday. My goal is like, what are my goals? My goal when I first started school was to start a drop-in center for at-risk youth with digital art.
digital art like photography videography just before i knew about ai and then once ai came
Like photography, videography, just before I knew about AI.
along now i'm thinking about like how do i bring ai into a therapeutic environment on as an art tool
as a therapeutic tool and then be able to write the write the the like the the medical the paper
on that you know and present it to like different different rehabilitations in different different
places around the world like that's really my big goal is to like bring art into therapeutic environments and like ai is going to help me do
that it's already helped me write grants grant proposals that's another thing it's like you can
you can if you need a grant from anywhere you can literally have ai write the grant for you
and then go back and fine-tune it in your own language and find you know i mean or just train
it to like do that. You can literally like,
nobody knows who needs to learn how to learn,
right?
Like grant writing anymore.
And all the details that go into Lee lease and all that crap that goes into
You can literally,
and then there's like millions of dollars out there in grants right now for
all manner of things that I'm discovering.
It's insane.
So that's another thing you use it for.
Yeah. things that I'm discovering. It's insane. So that's another thing you can use it for. Yeah, that's amazing.
Voice, are you still with us?
I am. I am. I'm hoping you can hear me. And I'm just a little dumbfounded this evening. I mean,
this has been a fantastic conversation. And I don't know if a lot of people in this room realize
a lot of the stuff the speakers have said. This is some high level stuff. This is things that
people pay big money to find out these little tips and insights. And trust me,
what they're telling you is top of the food chain, cutting edge stuff on how to get AI
to do particular things. And I'm just surprised that it's all come together. I mean, I've done
a lot of research. I know some of this stuff, but not all of this stuff. And this has been an amazing space. It's all
kind of come together in a culmination in a place like this where we can all listen to it and then
put it to practical use, right? A lot of this, it all ties back to IP. And I thank Hermie for
pointing it out. We tend to talk about the ZNews and the IP that we have because that's what we know from the family that we're in here and assets that we all own.
But all of these same principles that we've been talking about, building your portfolio
and going down this whole thing and using AI for IP, it still works whether you're doing,
you're writing scripts for, you know, the entertainment industry or you're doing music
or you happen to be an
artist and you paint or you draw, all these same principles apply. So this is a very good space
this evening, and I appreciate being part of it. Yeah, I definitely feel the same way we are very lucky to have all this talent in the building yeah by the way um feel free to look at my pin post and like and up and down my timelines i have
all kinds of cool rat art right now that i just started using i started i just started minting
again for the first time like months i've been off grid for like almost six months because i've
been dealing with uh health issues and like to hell and whatnot and coming back from that.
But I'm back now.
So, yeah.
Well, we are certainly glad you stopped by tonight to share with us.
I'm going to go to Staxed.
Staxed, I had you listed as one of the guest speakers.
listed as one of the well the guest speaker so I want to give you some time
to talk about some of the things you're doing with the projects that you have
that might inspire other people I know that I get inspired from these spaces so
I can't I can't wait to hear about some of the things that you have either on
your roadmap or some things that you want to share it doesn't even have to be
things that you want to share it doesn't even have to be um you know related just just things
that you think about or do oh gosh um yeah when when you asked me to be a guest speaker and i was
like oh i don't even know what i'm going to talk about and this the um all the conversation we've
had so far has been pretty awesome um i know like a lot of people know, well, not a lot, some people in
here might not know, you know, the dragons that, that I've worked on, they have IP rights. And
I think one of the things that I was thinking of after you asked me to speak tonight is
learning a little bit more, you know, I went and researched a little bit more about
getting IP rights on, you know, when you rights on when you're looking at a project,
trying to figure out what rights that you get and things like that, looking for licensing.
Because someone can easily just say, hey, I'm launching this project and you have unlimited IP rights.
But if they don't actually have that written down anywhere or formed out legalese behind it, you know, it might not stick very well.
So I know one of the first things we did with dragons and Aeon Forge itself
for pretty much all of our projects we plan is we found this,
it's called the can't be evil license.
And that's sort of one of the ones that we use.
And the name is interesting, but it's pretty much a full rights license either for you can choose either commercial wording or a personal wording.
We went with the commercial one because we don't care if people use dragons commercially.
I don't care if people use dragons commercially, but it has a limitation in it that says you have pretty much full rights to everything of the images unless you use them for hate speech or anything like that.
And then we reserve the right to pull your license.
So there's licenses like that.
There's licenses where you can just, some people don't care about hate speech and whatnot. So you can
use them for anything you want. But I think that was one of the things that really hit me when I
first got into this, because I'm still pretty new to crypto, a little over a year at this point.
But just when you're looking into the IP rights, actually look into it and see exactly what you
get with your rights. Because it's easy enough to say, yeah, we provide IP rights, but then you've got to figure out what level of IP rights are you getting.
So that's one of the main things that I sort of researched a lot when I first started getting into this.
That's actually a great, great point, Stax, because I know like when you have different IPs, they can all have different rights that come with it.
Some let you have full rights.
Some let you have some rights and you have to get it approved.
And others like yours, as long as you're not doing something crazy with it, right?
It has to be to keep the brand image.
Then you're not really asking anyone to get approval you're just saying go ahead and do it and but you do need to know
what what you have before you start making your business so that you don't um get caught in the
wrong spot so i i i'm glad that you brought that point up.
Yeah, definitely. And I think that that's definitely a key. What you just said there, if you want to get into your, you know, starting your business. So like if we're all into this for profit in the end. So if you're wanting to use your IP rights for business, it's definitely even more so you need to know what what your actual rights are so and a lot of people from what i've heard people talking anyway some people just assume if something says i have
ip rights then you can do anything you want with it and that's just not true most of the time so
it's definitely something you gotta you gotta figure out so and if I might caution a little bit here on this, one thing I think universally that you're
not able to do with the IP rights is you're not allowed to present yourself as the company
themselves. I'm sure nobody who has IP rights for the Dragons can promote themselves as being
the Dragons, right? You can't do that with Xenu. You can't promote themselves as being the dragons, right?
You can't do that with Xenu.
You can't promote yourself as being Xenu the company.
The whole idea with getting IP rights behind this stuff is that you're supposed to be creative
and build your own IP rights around your own character.
If you've got a dragon or you've got a Xenu NFT, you take that particular dragon and you build a type of lore around the dragon.
You name the dragon. You give it personality traits that the dragon has.
You build a storyline behind that.
You're not promoting yourself as dragons.
You're promoting yourself as, you know, rose or something like that because that's the
dragon that you have and creating something behind it the same thing with the xenu nfts if you've got
one that's got you know a shield and a cigar or something like that you make that into the
character and that's what your ip rights are allowing you to do to go and expand upon that
and not expand trying to say that you're xenenu because Xenu itself from the company is protected the same way that the naked orange and white one is completely protected.
You can't use that and you just can't promote yourself as being Xenu itself, if that makes sense.
Yeah, that's a very good point.
Chaz, I think you have your hand up yeah i was gonna i put it down the bubble but i it's called um it's it's called the uh uh the can't be can't be evil nft
license right yes yes that's the one you found a16z crypto cool i thought i'd just share that
down the bubble because it's like that actually i'm going to be dropping like a small collection with another person like pretty soon
and we were just on a space earlier like like an hour ago talking about like um ip rights and stuff
and like and like i'm really glad that you brought that up because i was like that's really valuable
information so thank you yeah not a problem and that that one's really good because it it has
i think five different
tiers that you can choose from and they they have all of the contract and legalese parts of the
license immutable on a on a blockchain type website so it it's all it's all immutable and
it's already there the wording and everything so like that website's really amazing yeah so we're
talking about like how like how do we write that into the, into the,
like the,
into the smart contract.
Like when we go to mint,
like how do we include that?
Like in the,
in the,
in the actual like contract of itself,
you know what I mean?
Like how do we like code that in?
So like,
that's something that's going to be really valuable to like know how to do
that kind of stuff.
You know what I mean?
To make it like actually like legitimately like CC like rights and,
and like,
you know,
open rights for other people to use. So yeah.
So Stax, was there anything else you wanted to share?
I don't know.
I think most of the other stuff I got working on that doesn't really pertain
much to IP rights other than my other projects will have IP rights for the
most part.
But yeah, just, yeah, not really other than we're dragons limited edition is
coming out soon, but that's awesome.
But yeah. And they'll have the same IP rights just as we've been talking about.
They'll be under that Can't Be Evil commercial no-hate license too.
So provide all those juicy IP rights to do stuff with.
And speaking of IP rights, I got to get with Sid a little later and talk to him about some of that, getting the merchandising and stuff like that,
because I've got some ideas I've got to talk to Sid about.
And that's another whole area of IP rights is merchandising
and stuff like that, right?
Because I had a bobblehead, like a little –
I posted it on Twitter a while ago.
The pop figure that i had
someone make for me for one of the dragons is pretty cool so you can just do you know all that
fun stuff with your ip rights so you got me rambling again no i i actually was just sitting
here thinking kind of digesting some of the information
because I love AI. I love the idea of it. And I try to do what I can with it. I just don't have
a ton of time. So I need to get more. I mean, you guys, what you are doing with AI is amazing.
I know it can do it. I just haven't ventured into some of the things that that you guys have talked about and you know I heard voice and Arnold
talking about the making YouTube videos and putting your portfolio out but I
hadn't thought about putting in a pitch deck so that's pretty awesome like just
you just have to think anything you can do. It can do and give it back to you if you know the right problems.
So I think the conversation was really meaningful to me.
So I hope everybody else feels that way.
And I'm sure that they do.
Because it's been a lot of great conversation.
Yeah.
I do want to throw one thing, another thing in real quick about what we talked about earlier when Hermie brought up using AI to be like a specialist and telling it, hey, act like the best of this in the world.
When I was talking about all the using AI to create your website and do all the code and stuff like that, one really good special trick that you want to use after you do all that is say, hey, act like you're an expert security engineer and review my code and make sure there's no security holes in it.
There's a big one that I think a lot of people can miss because a lot of times when you're generating code and stuff with AI, it doesn't take that into account very much.
So you can produce stuff with security holes in it.
So just a sneak peek and a bit of info there that if you are going to do something like that, that you should follow it up with, hey, review my code for security issues.
So just a little tidbit there.
That's such a valid thing right there.
I just have to say that.
Say that again about review my code for vulnerabilities.
It's so important.
Make sure that you do that anytime you're playing with code with AI.
Make sure that's the last question you ask it before you use the code at all.
Definitely.
So I, I, I think this has been a great conversation. I want to go around. Um, I want to get ready to wrap it up at 1130. And that way, I know I promised Dax I wouldn't keep him up too late because he's our slated speaker.
And I just want to say I really appreciate meeting you, Chaz.
Zambinstein, it means the world to us that you come and you contribute.
And it's always a pleasure to have you in our spaces.
Hermie, you rock.
You know I love you.
And I'm so happy that you were able to take a few minutes out.
I know you've been super busy this week.
So I really appreciate you.
Staxed, we love what you're doing.
We can't wait to see your dragons.
And we're so happy that you were able to come and share some things with us tonight.
And I don't know, this whole conversation for the people that aren't really even playing a little bit with AI, I think that it's probably time.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think that it's done real well this evening.
You know, people have gotten at least a good understanding of what you can do with AI,
some of the possibilities that are there.
It's been nice to have all the people up on the panel and get to hear their different perspectives on it.
I did want to ask Hermes real quick and just touch before we close up today.
I know that the MetaRides, if I'm not mistaken, they do have some IP rights, but it's limited.
Are they any different, the IP rights, if you get something along the lines of you're buying into your custom car packages or anything along like that?
So it's funny, Voice, when you asked that question the other night and we kind of came
to the idea that MetaRides was the canvas where IP could be dropped, we started doing
a deep dive into what it looks like for each of our brands, right?
So if we have a Tootsie car,
for instance, you're not going to have full rights, but if it's one of the MetaRides vehicles
that's branded with just our graphics, you would. So we are essentially reevaluating now how we're
going to explain all of this and try to do our best to make it clear on what can and can't be used out
there. I still see our stuff being more of a canvas, but we do need to be very clear about
what we're doing. But if it's your IP that's going on our vehicles, I'm 99% sure that you can utilize
that car or whatever, you know, the asset, whatever asset you might have your graphics on
in any unique way that you would want to. But we're kicking that around now. I'm sure once
we finalize internally what we want to do, we'll run it by legal and make sure that we're good. But
it's, there's definitely some gray area because if you have a Tootsie car, for instance,
IP rights on that are going to be much different than if you have a car that just says Rosemary, for instance.
So, Rosemary, not comparing you to Tootsie. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do that.
But I do think that it's going to be vastly different, and we're trying to piece that together actually right now.
We're trying to piece that together actually right now.
So, yeah, your question, whatever it was a week or two ago, sparked a lot of conversation internally to figure some of this stuff out.
Yeah, that'll be awesome, especially with those custom cars.
Hopefully that made sense, Voice.
And you're a listener on my screen.
No, it did.
It made a lot of sense.
And that's just another avenue there. You know, it's good that that question came up in this space. So it shows people the importance of coming to these spaces because you never know what you're going to hear. And you're seeing IP rights being worked out, you know, going forward, kind of a live thing here because you're working through this process. It got new questions going and I'm glad for that. And this is just another avenue. You know, there are t-shirts and mugs that you can do
through Nifty and Print on Demand. But these cars one day, they're going to, you know, if you could
put your own brand on there and then you could play them in different games and go to different
places and maybe even eventually get it into Income Island
and be driving around there and parked in front of your own house or pod or something.
I mean, it's just another way of marketing your IP, and I support it.
And thanks for what you do, and I'll be looking forward to hearing more about the IP rights when you guys get it cleared up.
I appreciate that voice.
And, yeah, it's something that we're working through through and it's crazy because it's not just what
we have today but we're trying to set the ip foundation is probably a decent way to say it
for any and every brand that might come on board with us and what it would look like and then
um find out from each of them you know where do you fall into each of these buckets and
and then we can you know play our hand accordingly with each brand.
So it's definitely interesting.
I think my Ip joke when I came into space failed miserably,
but IP is something that I love talking about.
I actually really like listening to Sid talk about it
because it's been his whole life.
And it's definitely, I think think interesting is a poor word but it it is
if you really really dig into ip and the different use cases the different rules and regs based on
the brand the different reasons why there are rules and regs for each brand um and then ultimately
some brands want you to be able to do whatever you want with it.
And that's when things get really cool.
So I don't know, I would love for all MetaRide's vehicles
to be available on t-shirts and mugs,
but I also understand the importance of protecting
the partners that we're involved with.
So we'll figure out a path
and figure out what that looks like.
But to this
date outside of of speaking in spaces about what is available and what is not in terms of ip um
we've been a little gray area with it but i think that that's going to have to change pretty quickly
based on the brands that we're dealing with yeah that makes i just want to i just want a 3d printed like body kit for my car
it looks like one of my main rides guys you have a gold pit pass did you ever get your uh
your gold car uh yeah i got one yeah awesome i just looked at it today i just made a screenshot
of it so i could put it in my new art nice i want to make sure you got it. Yeah, I got it. Thanks, though. Yep.
JROC, I see you sneaking up at the last minute.
How's it going?
Hey, what's going on, Rosemary?
I just wanted to come up and say hi.
It's been an awesome space.
Got to catch most of it.
These IP rights you guys have been breaking down have been great.
Learning the difference between the limited and the full access IP rights.
And I see meta rides, as you were saying before, man, with the rollout.
You know, there's certain things you guys got to kind of keep close to the vest.
Makes sense.
I just want to know, you know, if I can be the Tutsi Owl, you know what I mean?
Is there any IP rights with that, you know?
The Avatar, that'd be badass. But I know that's probably off the question. So it's all good.
And I was, go ahead. He said he would give it to you for your birthday.
Oh, yeah, I thought I heard that. I thought I heard that. But maybe I was hearing things. I'm
not sure. But no, it's good to hear everybody just literally collaborating, bringing great
ideas to the table. I was glad to hear, you know, Mario, see you in the space, man. Good to see you, Mario. I was very intrigued
when you said you're using currently AI to do a lot of things now. I was going to ask,
because no one else asked, are you able to share what it is that you're looking to build with AI
that you're trying to bring out? Is this something that's new,
something that's old, or are you doing a day-to-day life? Yeah, mostly day-to-day stuff.
I'm not really allowed to use it for work, so I can't use it at my professional job. So it's
really just a lot of side stuff, things that me and my wife, we run different businesses,
we do a lot of different things. So there So stuff there, just personal musings and learning,
because at some point, it's going
to catch up to a place where I can use it for all
of the wild things that come out of my sick and demented brain.
So I want to be able to hit the ground running with that.
And then in general, just checking the landscape, obviously, with the Xenu brand in particular, paying animators and paying people to do the things that I want to do is prohibitively expensive.
So I'm constantly checking to see what's out there and what I can do with the tools that are available right now to create content for that.
But unfortunately, it's just not where I need it to be to do the things that I want to do without spending just an absolute metric ton of time to get the product that I want.
That's the problem with a lot of the video and, well, specifically video generation right now is it's just a lot of minor changes to prompts and you're going through literally hundreds of videos in return to get to something that resembles what's in your mind when you're looking for something very specific.
what's in your mind when you're looking for something very specific. It's different when
you see these things that are being posted to TikTok and Twitter and all these other places
where it's just like a general idea and the output can be whatever it is. But when you're talking
about something like a story-driven narrative or character-driven narrative and you really want
a very specific scene with different characters and certain backgrounds and things like that, it just takes a lot of time to generate the thing that
you want. So we're not quite there yet for that. But for a lot of the other things, it's great for.
That's awesome. Yeah, I didn't even know you guys had side businesses. You always build them,
you never slow down, man. So kudos to that.
Excited to see what people are going to bring to the table with these new AI generated art pieces.
You know, with AI, you know, I suck at the prompts.
I'm never that good at it.
I've never really been that good at it.
I know Joey is a monster with it.
But yeah, I'm excited and intrigued to see what people will bring to the market, what people will do with it. But yeah, I'm excited and intrigued to see what people will bring to the market,
what people will do with AI. I think I need to set my game up and use it more on a daily
basis. I don't anymore. The only AI I ever really used was a little bit of ChatGBT for
a little bit just to kind of test the waters and then it was Grok. But since then, I've
kind of just fell back and haven't really used AI and dived into it like that as much anymore.
But now hearing you guys talk about it day to day, it's got me thinking like I should definitely be incorporating a little bit of AI.
Not all of it, because I still want to have a little bit of peace in me, right, at the end of the day and everything I do.
But AI, I guess, can be a good assistant, kind of keep you on track, keep you organized, stuff like that.
can be a good assistant, kind of keep you on track,
keep you organized, stuff like that.
That'd be nice.
Yeah, the nice thing, J-Rock, and I
think a lot of people are probably in your boat as well
who don't use AI very often or feel
like they're not very good about it,
is that you can actually prompt the AI
to create the prompt, to prompt the AI.
It's like prompt-ception of AI.
So you don't even need to be great at the prompt.
You can kind of just give it an idea
of what it is that you want to do
and say hey give me a prompt for this thing
and you can use chat GPT to prompt Grok
you can choose chat GPT to prompt chat GPT
there's really no right or wrong way to do it
but people need to get into that mindset
of using AI almost like an idiot savant in some sense.
It is literally the smartest five-year-old on the planet times 100.
It doesn't understand things often, but if you ask it general general knowledge questions it's very good at that and if
you know how to talk to it or or know how to ask it to talk to itself in the case of prompting itself
um it can be in a very effective and powerful tool
oh yeah that's awesome uh and i see we got uhax here. I want to say what's up with Stax. Hermie, what's going on, bro?
But yeah, Stax, it's good to see you back here, man, and still just doing your thing.
Has there been any, and I might have missed it, has there been any new developments that you've been working with AI to create another segment in dragons or, um, do you predominantly look to AI to,
to roll out your next project?
Is that something as well?
I mean,
dragons limited edition coming out this month,
hopefully,
actually not,
hopefully it will be out this month.
I mean,
we used AI for,
for doing that is just like the first dragon series.
Um, I'm using one of the fun things I'm doing right now so I'm I'm doing a um I think this is the first time I've said it but we're
doing a um sort of a uh a layered pixel type um release in the near future well not near I just
started on it in the future I can't say near yet. But and for that, we're not I want that to be sort of a hand drawn kind of release.
And so for that, we're using Leonardo AI, actually, instead of ChatGPT this time to give like say, hey, I want 3D glasses. Give me 100 3D glasses so we can look and get ideas
for what we want them to look like,
and then I can draw them myself.
So we're doing that kind of thing.
So using AI but not using AI at the same time.
So it's sort of a mix of both worlds.
So we're doing stuff like that.
One of the other things I'm doing right now
that I think most people will enjoy is Dragons is only a,
the initial release was only a one megapixel image.
So it's about 1024 by 1024.
I have now the ability to upscale them
to about 16 times greater resolution.
So 16 megapixels, which is about 4,000 by 4,000 pixels.
So that's something that I want to, it's not free on my end, so it's a little bit of a cost to that. So one of the
things that we're looking at doing with some of the funds we raised with limited edition is redoing
all of the images for both series and getting those images out there. So that'll be a fun,
time-consuming, but fun project that we want to work on as well.
So those are the couple of things we're using AI for right now.
So at least I am.
Sounds badass, Dex. I'm excited, man.
The only thing I'll say, and I'm going to get out of here.
I know you guys have a time limit you want to get out.
Just to kind of caveat back off of what was said yesterday in the space with Income Island and Dylan.
I don't know what you would have to do to make it happen.
I know MetaRides, you guys are in the metaverse.
Kudos to that, man.
That metaverse is going to be fire.
Hearing what Dylan and them have set up,
we just found out about these crazy houses
and the element behind this ecosystem
where you guys can have the whole Airbnb to rent.
They're working on renting style, smart contracts,
everything to make this thing like Ready Player One.
My question against Axe, and I'll end with this,
is how do we get a dragon if you guys choose to pursue this?
How do we get a dragon like you guys have in Income Island?
So that way, if we wanted to, we could fly around on our dragon,
you know, shoot fire, ice, and all like that in this world like almost as if it was like world of warcraft
how does one see that in the future because i mean these dragons are a badass but how do we put them
in space to do something like that where like you know instead of driving a meta ride we could be
on the back of a dragon z flying from point to point in the, in the metaverse. Is that something, um, that we could see? Um, and if so,
how will we go about that, man? Cause I'm just thinking about it.
Yesterday my mind was blown just thinking how robust this ecosystem of income
island is going to be. And I think, you know, with meta rides,
you guys have a big, big, uh,
jump on all the competition with being a vehicle inside this ecosystem,
right? it's going
to be amazing um but now i'm thinking outside the box like i love my dragons and i know they can fly
um and we were talking about the ai and like that how do we how do we go about even getting that is
that something even you would think about undertaking stack you know i haven't thought
about it until now because up until now in Income Island, I'm just sitting here thinking about I want to get some dragons on some meta rides.
So that's one of my other goals.
But yeah, sitting here thinking about flying a dragon in Income Island.
Now, that's definitely a conversation I need to have with someone.
But that sounds amazing.
And I haven't even thought about it until you said that, which is kind of weird because I love dragons and riding dragons would be amazing. And I haven't even thought about it until you said that,
which is kind of weird because I love dragons,
and writing dragons would be amazing.
And there you go, bro.
I love it too.
So let's see if it's something you can make happen.
I just DM'd you.
In case you're not in there yet,
I sent you the link to the um creative program creative
partner program for leonardo.ai so i heard you mention that you're working with ai with with
leonardo and if you're not in there yet they literally give you 200 000 credits a month to
play with for free yeah i need to get into so we were in the um the team when when they first started that they
they had a team version of it so aon forge the the team that were me and two other people um
do were in the the team creative program for a little while but that that only lasted until
they launched the the team program for free so i definitely need to get in there to the
personalized program link to it so
you can you can apply it here because like i use it literally every day and like and their new
their new upscaler is like part of none the best thing i've used i think it's better honestly it's
better than magnif in my opinion but that's just me awesome yeah i'll have to look into that thanks
so i'm gonna go around for last thoughts.
Chaz, do you have any last thoughts for tonight?
I just really enjoy being back in the space again with a bunch of old friends
and new friends and meeting new people.
And, like, it's nice to be back on the grid again for once, you know.
So thanks for having me.
I really appreciate it.
If anybody wants to check out my stuff and like, or like you can just give me a repost of my,
of my pen or whatever's in my highlights, that's where you can find all my stuff at. So,
but thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Awesome. Thank you for coming. It was really
awesome to meet you. And I, I think we had a really valuable conversation tonight, so I appreciate it.
And I think we had a really valuable conversation tonight, so I appreciate it.
Hermie, do you have any last thoughts for tonight?
He's trying to figure out how he can make a flying dragon.
Yeah, he might be
Yeah, he might be before Stax does.
Before Stax does
Dragon
Dragon wing
Dragon wing doors
On the Mater eyes, dude
He's gonna call it Metafly
That's funny
This is where ideas happen, guys
It's just
I'll tell you how to do it
True I'm gonna skip over Guys. Just chat to see if you see it. I'll tell you how to do it.
True.
I'm going to skip over Hermie for now.
Oh, J-Rock, I was just going to call on you.
So go ahead.
Oh, no.
I was just going to say, and I'll say my piece.
Yeah, I was just thinking about it because, like I said, yesterday,
you were there for it too, Rose.
When Dylan was really just unveiling the possibilities and what they are already
working towards create this whole world.
I mean, it's like a ready player one meets the Sims meets, you know, whatever we choose
to really turn this thing into.
Like we were talking about splitting the house up four ways because I know it comes with
maybe four or five rooms.
And I thought you were joking when you said, hey, we can probably rent one of the rooms
out and use the Airbnb.
And then Dylan went and kudos that and said, no, yeah, actually, we're working on a rent
to own smart contract now so people can rent the usable spaces because at some point,
the real estate will be all bought up. But you might have three or four homes, some pods,
whatever, and you might want to rent it out to somebody because they want to have a certain
location, right, vacancy in this land. Well,
the funny thing is I used to play WoW World of Warcraft and on there you can ride horses,
there's these flying things. And I'm just thinking to myself like, man, you know,
MetaRise, you guys have a big jump on the competition being that you guys have all the
vehicles. And I think it's genius. And so on top of that, I think you are going to have to make
sure with the IP rights that things are, you know, looked over maybe twice, three times over.
Because, yeah, you're going to probably have plenty of partners coming through the door, especially when this this amusement park is in full swing.
You know what I mean? And you are the number one vehicle company, right, of transport.
Well, then I'm thinking, well, what about other things that could be transported?
Well, you guys have the dragons, so you guys can now take over the airwaves right you can be the ones that fly around and stuff like
that and it was just something i was thinking about that i did before and just wondering why
can't we do it now you guys come on ai and how we're thinking about the box and you know so i
was just wondering is there a way with ai or i don't know the first thing of putting something
like that in the metaverse right i mean that that's just not my brain I just come up the idea was like man you know I would love
to see these fire dragons right just they're just fire looking um flying
around you know I mean shoot along with the birds right you look up you like oh
there's J-Rock or there's Rosemary they're flying to their castle right
we're flying to the palace to go hang out with Sid for the for the live space
you know I mean and stuff like that. So that was me throwing it out there.
Flying back to our pods.
Flying back to our pods, right, because we don't have a house yet, you know.
But that was my only two cents there.
So, I mean, Stacks, if there's a will, there's a way.
Hopefully there's something you can figure out there.
You know, talk to the right people.
You got Sid in the room.
You got everything, I think, at your fingertips that you need.
You got someone like Mario right here.
He's a genius. I'm pretty sure, you know, at your fingertips that you need. You got someone like Mario right here. He's a genius.
I'm pretty sure he could tap in with whatever he knows and take you to the next level.
But like I said, that was just my idea.
So I'm glad that it's something that you didn't even think of but you want to do.
So, hey, man, make it happen.
I think it would be fire.
I think it would be dope.
And again, Rose Marie, this space is awesome.
I think it's always needed, right?
People need to know about their intellectual property and the rights they have and how to take ownership and take not just the brand that was given to us, but create your own brand and
take it the next way, right? So I think it's great space. Thank you for having it. I wish I was here
at the very, very beginning, but work was definitely busy today. But you guys have been just dropping
some really good gems today, and I'm glad I got to hear it yeah i'm glad you did too and i did record
the space so if you missed some of it and you want to go back later you're welcome to um and and
hopefully everyone will repost it out because last week i think we had 160 people come through
and then it was well over 200 after it got around. So, uh, we don't get
anything for doing this. We're just learning like you guys and contributing. So, um, just to,
to have a good conversation about, um, something we're passionate about and, um, hopefully we all
learn and can utilize it for ourselves. Um, but if you're're not and you just want to learn, that's awesome too.
Really blessed with a great bunch of speakers on the panel. So I appreciate that.
And I'm going to say before I go over to Staxed, tomorrow, I hope you have a wonderful birthday you deserve it we got some big
news coming out for Mainnet Z and I know that you were looking forward to your
birthday and having having that space on the same day so that's pretty awesome
and we won't get to be able to say it I don't So, since we're in this space, I'm sure
everyone is with me when we say happy birthday
and enjoy your special day.
Thank you, Rosemary.
Appreciate it. I think it's Mario's fault.
I think he told him, like, you'll have it on the 18th, guys.
It'll be perfect. It'll be funny for J-Rock.
Exactly.
Mario has it
on his calendar
he knows exactly when your birthday is
that's right I'm keeping tabs
on all of you
okay
Stax do you have any
final thoughts you want to
gosh I got all kinds of thoughts
I don't know how many of them are final though
uh first happy birthday jrock because you know just in case i forget on wednesday
throw that out there but um no i got i came into a space to talk about ip rights and now i'm leaving
with ideas on how to make flying dragons and all kinds of stuff so i just want to say it's it's
been an awesome space tonight i'm looking forward
to i always look forward to chopping it up with everybody so it's just a it's just a fun relaxing
time and especially when we get to talk about things that we all love like ip rights and
and everything else and just uh i gotta to throw the one the one uh tag in there is limited edition
dragons coming out this month sometime so So be on the lookout for that.
Yeah.
Make sure you're,
that's about it.
Make sure you're following stacks and a on forge.
If you're looking forward to that mint.
I did it for you too.
Zombinstein.
Do you have any final words for tonight?
I was caveat tonight since it doesn't sound right when I don't.
Yeah, nothing in particular, Rosa.
Just, you know, very thankful that you host these.
It's always good to chop it up with everyone in here.
Congrats to MetaRides on the recent Mint.
And happy birthday, JROC, if I don't see you before then.
And to the rest of you,
I will see you sometime soon. Appreciate it, guys. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming.
Hermie. Yep. So I asked AI what I should say at the end of this space, and I didn't give it any
context. And it said, thank you all for the incredible discussion
on this X space. It was an honor to share and learn from everyone. Huge thanks to the host
and participants for making this such a vibrant conversation. Have a good night.
That's awesome. So I'm going to try to see if I could put my recording in and see if it'll give
us some notes. Oh, it definitely will. If you can pull my recording in and see if it'll give us some notes.
Oh, it definitely will.
If you can pull the recording out.
Yeah.
Ask it for action items too.
You can email everyone their action items.
Oh, that's awesome.
You all get a job.
You get a job.
You get a job.
Go to our X space where you'll get homework.
That's right.
Do not fear the AI overlords.
That's funny.
I'm going to do that.
And I'll post it out and bring it to next week's space.
Voice,
do you have any final thoughts for tonight?
I do.
I do.
Thank you once again for having me up here and allowing me to be your co-host. Sorry for the connection issues that I had this evening, but it's been a wonderful space
to get to share it and talk amongst friends and get some new insights and learn a bunch of new
tips and tricks here from the people that we call family. So I'm appreciative that I got to come up
here and spend some time with everybody. And I look forward to this pretty big week.
You know, we had a good show yesterday, a great one tonight.
Arnold's got a show tomorrow.
Wednesday, we got NFA followed up by the Z News space, or I'm sorry, the Mainnet Z space.
So it's going to be quite a week.
And I'm looking forward to spending it with the family all week long.
And I just can't thank you enough for allowing me to be up here and be your co-host.
Yeah, thank you.
I always appreciate you coming and hanging out with me and really adding and contributing to this whole great conversation.
So I appreciate you so much.
And I did put the links up top for both spaces.
You know, we got a lot of great things going on over at NFA.
So I have the link up there.
Make sure you pop into that space.
And then the Mainnet Z link as well.
So we can all find out what the big news is.
We're all excited about that.
I'm going to give a quick shout out to everybody who came besides the speakers because we all know who you are.
We got Dylan in the house, Stardogs, Nifty.
Welcome, Nifty.
Glad to see you here.
We got Crypto Homies, Tio, Joey, KBot.
Thanks for contributing tonight.
It was awesome.
Thors, Zambillionaire Jace Brump. We got Terry E.
We got Zelon Zusk, Nifty
World, and Forge.
We got Ooi. Oh,
J-Rock, you gotta say that one.
Ooi!
That's awesome.
Thank you. We got
Tricky. We got
Tika. We got MacDaddy, ZetaNetz, KWATX. We got Tricky. We got Tika. We got Mac Daddy, Zita Nets, KWATX.
We got Vanda Nets, Z-Girl, Cowboy, and I don't know if I'm going to say this right, so I apologize, Atani.
Thank you guys all for coming out tonight and hanging out with us.
Don't forget to share the space so everybody else gets a chance if they're interested to listen
to it. And we'll be back here next Monday. Don't forget the spaces I posted. Have a great night and
thank you everyone. Thank you. Thanks Rosemary. Thank you.
