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Is Anyone Still Collecting NFTs? w/ @JackGK_BTC @gkoiart
Recorded: May 9, 2025 Duration: 1:01:12Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion on the Girl in the Verse show, key insights emerged about the NFT market's resilience, the potential for gaming NFTs, and the ongoing evolution of the metaverse. With the announcement of an Azuki Elemental NFT giveaway, participants explored trends, growth opportunities, and the challenges facing new projects in a fluctuating market.
Full Transcription
I'd rather put some better music. I
Rather put some better music. Let's see here. It's morning vibes. So let's go here Oh, yeah, I can't help but feel my groove. I can't help but feel, oh, yeah, I can't help but feel my groove.
I can't help but feel, oh, yeah, I can't help but feel my groove.
I can't help but feel, oh, yeah, I can help or feel, like time just isn't real, I only know this place is something true, lies just to appeal, they talking to be deal, I'm stoking up the fight that I was known. I did. I can't help you. I get a coffee, oh, I get a coffee, oh, I get a coffee, oh, I get a coffee, oh, oh,
Okay, GM, GM, I needed some music there, Jack, because it's morning where I am, and Jack's
a coffee lover, so I had to get some coffee vibing music this morning. I do want to welcome everyone here. I'm still warming up the room here, obviously, going to get some more people in here. But I do want to welcome you all to the Girl in the Verse show. Let's just call it that, where we're going to talk all things NFTs gaming and the metaverse because I'm a girl in the verse, right? So we have to talk some metaverse somehow.
This episode is powered by G-Coy. So shout out to the fam here. And yes, we're going to be giving
away an Azuki Elemental NFT because we love NFTs during the show. So if you are here live,
make sure to, I know Jack, this is crazy. We're going to give away an Azuki Elemental. I know
it's crazy. So make sure to like, retweet, and tag two friends.
And follow myself and G-Coin.
You know what?
Follow Jack, too.
Why not?
Follow Jack.
He's such a Chad.
Oh, my God.
I see some friends here.
I see Chin.
I see Angeliki.
I see Hello Kitty.
I see Kuya Mark.
I see Dazzling.
I see some fun friends here.
Thank you so much for being here.
So, I mean, let's just get it
rolling here because it's 9 a.m. and it's also dude day and Jack's a big dude. He changed his
PMP again. And I do want to intro him, right? So I'm joined today by someone who wears many,
many hats in Web3. He's a podcast host, gaming insider, advisor, and all around powerhouse.
He's a coffee lover, like I said, and somehow we're like long distance cousins, I like to say,
because I'm in Canada and he's in England or London, however we call that side of the woods.
Jack, you'll have to tell me. So Jack, I'm so happy and hyped to have you here. I guess for anyone who has no clue who you are, maybe intro yourself too and share what you've been building and then I want to jump right in.
don't call it London. That would be like calling the United States, New York. Like definitely,
definitely not. So please, if you're in the U S and you try and refer to the UK as London,
you're going to get a ton of hate from anyone who isn't in London. So that's the first thing
as a TLDR, but look, absolutely pleasure to be here. Yes, we are definitely long distant cousins.
Canada is definitely where it's at, not Toronto. i think for me look i i i've been in
the space for years years and years and years now every year in the crypto space in the nft spaces
you know we all know this if we've been in the space for any amount of time it's like dog years
you know you're like it's seven years for every one human year in the crypto space. So I look about as old as I feel at this
point, but really loving the vibes right now. Dude is literally dropping tokens right now as I speak.
It's five minutes past the hour. So the dude drop is literally imminent, like right this second. So
that's going to be really interesting to see. But yeah, I've been basically an NFT collector since
But yeah, I've been basically an NFT collector since 2021.
Really, really unusual origin story where I actually started over on Algorand, which was like the weirdest thing.
But basically a friend made a bunch of money on Algorand and it was like during the COVID times and he just shilled me on it.
They were actually really early to NFTs as well.
So there was like these random and also
meme coins like what's going on in solana these guys were doing it like five or six years ago
um which is kind of weird to talk about now because i haven't used it for literally about
that amount of time but there was an nft project on there that got me looking into NFTs. That was about 2021 late time.
Essentially was like, okay, I can't afford a Bored Ape at like, I think half a million
or whatever it was back then.
I wonder what I can afford.
And then a moonbird, Kevin Rose basically, you know, preached on the fact that this thing
was going to be the next big thing.
Managed to get whitelist.
The thing went to 150k or around 40 ETH in literally weeks. And I was hooked. And then it was down only from there.
I'm not going to lie, like complete down only trajectory, but I never left. I was like, hey,
it happened once. It could happen again. It happened many, many times again. Actually,
I've had some like, you know, five five six figure w's unrealized but every time i
just ride those back down to zero so yeah i i am definitely the the space's exit liquidity you're
not going to get many people as bullish as me and since maybe a year and a half ago now i've worked
exclusively in web free and most of my time is spent hosting shows with really great projects just trying to
understand a little bit more about the ecosystem whether that be how ai relates to the web free
space whether that be how gaming relates to the nft space or nfts more generally as well and some
projects like thugs from abstract who i'm speaking with at the moment and just trying to figure out
what these new blood into the ecosystem,
what they look like, what they think, what they do, and share a little bit of wisdom
in reverse as well about my experience after being in the space for so long.
Yeah, I love that. Thank you so much. It's interesting that you said you started on
Arbitrum. That's like, what? I had no clue.
Algorand.
Oh, Algorand.
Algorand. Even weirder.
Here we go. That is crazy.
So I like, it's funny because I like, I tend to say it very quietly now.
I'm like, oh, I started on Ethereum, but I feel like that sounds still better.
Oh, that's, that's tremendously bad.
Yeah, but my husband keeps fighting Ethereum.
That's the whole thing.
All roads lead back to bitcoin it's funny
because yesterday you had your wizard up and now we've got the dude i'm excited to talk about dude
in a bit um you you check if you got your alo there um i do want to also chat because we're
talking about nfts right and everyone's been saying nfts are dead you know but are they really
because you're such a big collector like you said you're writing them up all the way down. I did that too. I still have my bags from 21.
But what do you, how do you feel, Jack, you know, after doing all these interviews,
after being in the space for such a while, are people still buying, collecting or trading? And
what's the, what's the future like for NFTs right now?
Well, I think most people are completely cooked, right right like if you look at the people who were like
super bullish on nfts who still rep them as pfps 90 of them are just absolutely in agreement that
these things are all going to zero i think when it comes to the creator side that tends to be what
fills the timeline at this point then you have that like i don't know 10 that are left who
are still like no no these will come back maybe not in the same vein and i think that's even less
you know i think there's maybe one percent of people out of the 10 of people who still think
nft is going to be around for a long long time who think they're going to meet previous all-time
highs i think that's probably where we should start with this is that like the board
origin, you know, these half of a million dollar PFP prices. We have just seen punks, by the way,
just regain a hundred thousand dollar market price today. Like they are back, their floor
price is over a hundred thousand dollars. So yeah, I think it's really important to probably say that even me who's
incredibly bullish on the nft space acknowledges that 99 of these nfts are going to zero um and
it's really just about trying to see the lessons that you have learned over these years and
disseminate okay which ones are gonna which ones do have staying power um and i think right now that's
literally a handful and it's just like okay but out of those handful are there any new projects
coming out through the scene who are demonstrating some early signs that they could be part of that
new upturn or that uptick i i don't know i i think it's for me like like NFTs are really at this point, such a broad term that you would have to niche down in so many different avenues to say whether they're successful or not. Could gaming NFTs be successful? 100,000% yes. Could NFT PFP projects still be successful? Maybe five of them and when you say that they still have underlying businesses behind them
you know like doodles now have dreamnet pudgy penguins have everything they're doing with
abstract with their own proliferation of the ip um the anime with azuki like they are literally
trying to build the anime world in a more decentralized format like these things make sense to me for the most
part they very much do not like so for the majority of the projects and basically any i
haven't just mentioned there and i do think they are either going to have to completely reinvent
how they operate or yeah they probably are going to go to zero yeah it's funny it's funny we're
mentioning these ones i yeah i mean i agree it I agree. It's been an interesting whirlwind when it comes to NFTs. You know, I was just in Dubai and saying that word was like, NFTs. It's like a buzzword, a bad buzzword.
many platforms i'm thinking of magic he didn't right now off the bat obviously there's open c but
you know in speaking of nfts and where we're headed the state of the market what are the top
trends or signals you're seeing right now in terms of that innovation you know i'm thinking of dude
and the token is that where we're at in terms of nft innovation or like you said gaming metaverse
anything else that you're seeing in terms of a trend like how can
they come back that's that's a really good question i think honestly we haven't seen
a trend yet for nft specifically i don't think there was one we can say today
um even if you like zoom out that that's going to be the thing that moves things forward like i
don't think we have hit that i do think and pudgy's token is doing very
very well right now i do think doodles token is definitely gonna give us a little bit of insight
as to yes do these tokens with an underlying utility behind them anime also still on the
upwards trajectory but you know you've got pepe hitting five billion as well so there's like this meme coin token with utility within a pfp that also has a bit of meme ability behind it like there's
all of these things like i i do think for me uh gaming definitely makes more sense in terms of
mass market appeal and like seeing in my opinion something that could actually bring new participants into the space
but i don't think there has been any specific one thing right now that is going to bring nfts back
i think if anything it's going to be the market itself and then the fact that if the crypto market
continues to go on the uptick that it currently
is going on and then people are going to be more interested in what is behind that ecosystem and
how do i get exposure to things that i feel like i'm too too late to the party to get in just by
buying the thing so bitcoin for example hundred thousand. No, that's too much for one Bitcoin
at this point. I will be buying the top is probably going to be 90% of the normie opinion at this
point. But with ordinals or with, you know, with runes or with anything else, is there something
where I can buy that? And in the underlying thing that I want to hold more of, i.e. Bitcoin,
And in the underlying thing that I want to hold more of, i.e. Bitcoin, can I get upside to that?
And that obviously is sort of where ETH, and I do look at ETH and its history in terms of NFTs and say, okay, so what's the next Bored Ape?
What's the next CryptoPunks and how is that going to look into the future?
And for me right now, I'm just, I'm not sure.
Now, I'm just, I'm not sure.
I think realistically, we're going to anticipate that crypto continues to run and then hope
that people basically start looking at the underlying infrastructure around crypto and
fall upon NFTs who've managed to gain attention during that time.
Wow, I love that.
I'm seeing Kin, I'm seeing Odeka, I'm seeing so many people in the audience.
If you guys want to come up and ask questions as well or just come up and and shoot your shit here with us please let's do it jack
you know you're also an advisor what would you say because you know we're talking about nfts it's
probably a little bleak right now but what would you say to a new nft project launching in this
bear market is there still opportunity or should teams just um yeah i would say the bear market ended about 24 hours ago um frankly like i i do think bitcoin
if everything that's ripping heavily um you will see a ton of projects now try and gain the
limelight and i think you can say that even about nfts because of what's happened with the pudgy side and with doodles launching today if that is a success which i expect it to be and then yeah
the the bear market is gone like we just sped run a whole bear market in like two months essentially
and what i would say to new projects launching though is why like why are you launching and what
what exactly is the value proposition that you are offering your
holders? Because if it's some cute art or it's some cool art on the timeline, you're not going
to even attract the people who are currently here and they are still the people that you're trying
to attract right now. It's about attention. It's about gaining attention and then it's being able
to point towards a problem that you are solving that a project hasn't yet solved.
We are not at a point where we would say like the NFT bull run of 2021, 2022, where you can just launch a derivative of a derivative and you're going to make money on that.
And I don't really want us to get back there. I do think in a long enough time horizon, if other projects do succeed,
that's bound to happen the same way shit coins, you know, like we've seen all the random stuff
that's come out of that world since Trump launched. These things will happen, but I do think for the
most part for the participants that are here, and if you're like, no, I don't want to just be in the
space. I want to mint out a collection and i want to compete with the top dogs that are currently here and you've got to solve a problem like a real problem that people
want you to solve within this space and that isn't we need more cool artwork here that just isn't
isn't the case love that chin i don't know you you came up on stage not sure if you wanted to ask a question come say hi we met in dubai that was fun avengers
assemble
yo what is up everyone?
GEM, good afternoon, good evening,
wherever you are on this wonderful, wonderful planet.
Yeah, I came up because, guys,
today's a really, really rare occurrence.
Jack being a speaker, that is crazy.
Girl in the verse, I don't know how you were able
to schedule Jack in because this guy is just like
this crazy grinding hosting spaces.
I haven't even got
Jack on my space yet. So kudos to
you. But no, it's been really cool.
It's really nice to meet you, Growniverse
in Dubai.
Definitely really, really love your vibe.
And actually really
enjoying this space already.
Yeah, it's just
crazy to see Jack as a speaker. He changes
PFP again. that's crazy too
uh i know we have a running joke internally at a fungible right now uh our slack channel is
blowing up talking about jack's pfp change but uh yeah no i don't do i have a question i i don't
know oh actually i do have a question i do have a question for jack jack go go so is this pfp gonna
be like more permanent you know it's
pretty i mean you're i know you're in the bitcoin ecosystem order knows i know that's your thing
but is this is pfp gonna be like a like a like a permanent thing i mean it's pretty it's pretty
sick honestly it's pretty him though the coffee cup i mean it's jack you know that's the jack i've known to learn yeah that's a great question i can't say i thought
too hard about it like i used to be this guy because it like for those who don't know like
it just crushes your engagement like absolutely just demolishes it every time you change your pfp
you lose the blue tick x investigates you for like a week as if you're some sort of drug dealer
and they want to know where your money is coming from except the only money you're spending is to actually have like a pro account
on their own fucking platform but anyway so yeah like i i was super super careful about changing
it which means i probably will hold on to it for a little while it's gonna be tough as the bitcoin
keeps ripping and ordinals get any momentum like that's the
thing because yeah look i i do think right now what we've talked about predominantly is like
nfts um which obviously like ordinals are basically nfts on bitcoin some ordinals maxis
will come for me on that one but that's very but you know for most people people here, that's what they are. And I think the thing with ordinals
is they have just this underlying built-in flex of, okay, I own an asset on Bitcoin that shows
that I am in some way OG within Bitcoin for whatever reason. You know, like I have held
that taproot wizard because they have been building for two years whilst ordinals came about.
taproot wizard because they have been building for two years whilst ordinals came about and this
asset is the most valuable ordinal on bitcoin for the most part like you've got some very very small
collections but for the size of the collection and for the mind share that it has so yeah when
you're talking about bitcoin and you're talking about the market etc and bitcoin keeps ripping
then it probably makes more sense to have an ordinal. For NFTs, I think it's very much more
like I align with the project itself. Like I align with what Doodles are making. And for Doodles,
I do, I just align so heavily. I align with the artwork. I align with what they're trying to
build in terms of the solution they're trying to provide with AI coming in and just disrupting the
whole entertainment space and the ip space and if they
do succeed it's going to be really fun documenting that journey and also still being a part of the
nft communities that sort of rub off against each other you know i own azuki's i own doodles
i own a bunch of other you know basically valuable ish nfts within ethereum not quite what they used to be but still you know five figure
um projects so yeah dude like in long story short i have no idea it will very much be dependent on
the market and where my own content sort of takes me but i am looking at my own content and like for
those who don't know what chim was saying about like spaces i host around 15 to 20 shows a week like that's that's generally my like
that that is my work um so with those 15 to 20 shows yes you have magic eden on bitcoin you also
have like somnia which is a gaming chain which is literally going to blow everyone's mind
as we see paul just absolutely crush it on the timeline if you don't know about them definitely
go check them out they are going to take over gaming on the blockchain. And then you literally have so
many other. I've got thugs over on Abstract right now who are going to be the next big project at
the final BOSU. Literally, I've just got a ton of them. And then we've got DeFi, we've got AI,
and we've got the broader explanation of the space. But I think for me, what's really exciting
me as we are seeing Bitcoin
ripping and the idea that more new participants are going to be crypto curious or blockchain
curious is more in line with IP building on crypto and blockchain as opposed to this one
individual chain. And I think for IP, yeah, the doodles actually wins out there alongside.
It will actually be really difficult between the Doodle and the Azuki
because I have an Azuki with a coffee cup as well.
So it's very much aligned with my personal brand,
which is essentially just drinking copious amounts of coffee,
being very caffeinated and bringing that caffeinated energy to these shows.
But all that being said, Chin, I think that was like a five-minute monologue
on will
you change your pfp anytime soon um and the answer is i have no fucking idea brother
i know it's funny because i do want to talk about gaming and i do want to talk about all the other
things you're working on uh but since we've got chin and jack here as well and joshaka um you you
interrupt me when you want okay because we are giving out um
we are giving out an azuki elemental today and that is thanks to our founder here at gcoy um
okay just like a go you've raised your hand i want to hear you before i ask another question
yeah gmgm um pleased to meet you jack awesome um so so pleased that we have you in our fan art contest and all your amazing nfts
um hope we can impress you with the work that's done um we also we're you know focused really on
art at the moment but we're gonna be pivoting into gaming and um as with any project nowadays
i was just kind of curious your take on everybody kind of launching their own cryptocurrency nowadays, right?
So, I mean, we kind of just came through the meme coin, I guess, revolution, evolution, and then dump.
But it seems like the evolution of all the NFT is to is to launch a token right and um just wondering
what what your take is on that with everybody launching tokens tokens tokens i mean are the
nft projects now competing with chains everybody's gonna then migrate launch their own chain or
you know where do you see that going um look again i i would hop back to like does it solve a problem and is there like
any fundal like is there any fundamental underlying reason to launch that token obviously with what
we've seen with the top three in terms of token launches in the last 12 ish months which i think
i'm right here like time is definitely not quite linear in the crypto space as well it's like
seven dog years but it's also like sort of a little bit like um or what what is it not inception but
another uh christopher nolan film um interstellar like it just doesn't like it doesn't make any
sense essentially time in this space so you do lose track of stuff but i would say pudgies anime with azuki and i would now say dude with doodles
like they have three real core problems that they are trying to solve one of them with like abstract
connected to it and pudgies i'm not so familiar with that i'm going to try and tackle that one
but essentially you know proliferating ip into a traditional world with gifts with like just
pushing the ip forward with collectible toys
and all of that like yeah okay makes entire sense to me anime is broken and right now there isn't a
singular consolidated place around the world where people can just go and like consume all different
variations of anime content but also have like a base to talk about it and then you now have dude and this
idea that with ai with ip that currently exists and the ability to basically consume what has
been made before and say okay yes i can now go and create something similar and the more content you
have as an ip basically gives you so much more room and so much more edge against the competition
for ai because that's all
it does it's a reasoning model so it looks at what has come before and the more information that you
can provide it the more similar and more successful it's going to be in producing future content for
you like these things all make sense in terms of like should every project launch a token definitely
not like unless they want to launch a meme coin and they literally are very,
very vocal about the fact of like, look, there's not going to be utility behind this. We're just
trying to give our holders who've been holding for years and years a little bit of liquidity back
and also get new entrants to understand who we are as projects because you can't really build
a brand on 10,000 customers or holders
or a 10,000-person audience.
And I think that's really fundamentally what it comes down to,
is if you're actually trying to go for mass adoption,
then at a certain point in time,
you're going to have to open up your ecosystem
to more than the 10,000, 20,000, or 30,000 holders
that you could get with an NFT project.
Answered my question perfectly, sir.
Perfectly.
Thank you, Riva.
Jack is a G.
Okay, I'm bringing up Keith as well.
So Jack and Chin both work at Unfungible.
So I do want to hear, well, let's give it to Jack,
but if Chin, you want to join in as well.
I want to talk about community building
and the do's and don'ts, right?
Because you guys are advising and supporting some big names in the space.
So Jack, what would you say are like some of the biggest do's and don'ts when it comes to
building and maintaining this web three community? I love that question. I love that. We'll get the
mic over to chin as well, because basically you've got two ends of the spectrum here i've now been working with unfungible for just over a year i've i think i've hosted around
800 shows as of today for unfungible alone um in that time frame chin is pretty new chin has been
around for a couple of months like absolutely crushing it on his end but like you're gonna
get both ends of that spectrum of like new old in the realm of NFTs and crypto.
And for me, there's a couple of things that every project should be doing right now.
It should be building in public.
I think that's obvious for anybody who has been there.
And I think that now goes beyond just crypto.
But let's just stick to the bubble we're talking about.
You should be very openly, very actively putting as much of what you are doing on the timeline. And obviously
there is a huge, huge, honestly, a huge lack of trust in this space right now, because what has
come before, and the only way you can gain that trust is to visibly show people that you are
actually building and you actually have the competence to build,
which brings me on to my next take, which is thought leadership. Like the one thing I see a
lot of projects fail at right now is all they want to talk about is the niche as in which,
where they're building. And it's like, look, that is fantastic, but that's what we call bottom of
funnel content. You know, that is, you are going to speak to an audience who are searching for you outright. And funnily
enough, there is just not that big of an audience that is going to be searching for some very,
very niche topics within the crypto space, yet alone crypto overall. And I think when you talk
about thought leadership, let's use gaming, for example, that should also be talking about what
is going on in the traditional gaming space
right now. And if you are not there to provide your expertise and to show your audience, look,
I've been building in this space for decades. That's why you should actually look at me and
the project that I'm building and think actually there might be some upside in trusting a team
in the long term. And I think when you look at NFTs and you look at crypto overall,
it is just this new way to fund projects,
get them off the ground
without having to necessarily give up
a large majority of what will make you
a powerful project
because you've given half of the project
to a hedge fund
and they're now going to be directing you
very carefully into moving in a
very specific direction which is generally quite extractive and not really something because look
they just they need their exits and those exits don't necessarily align with what your audience
is going to want so i do think it is just a better way to fund an early project without like
gouging out its soul and extracting a lot from your initial audience
gouging out its soul and extracting a lot from your initial audience
chin i don't know we want to pass it over to you do's and don'ts when it comes to building and
maintaining a web3 community and chin by the way also hosts incredible spaces you've built an
incredible community as well yeah appreciate it appreciate it yeah do's and don'ts i mean totally
agree with jack about this like everything he he said, like building in public, right? Because I think,
I'm sure we had conversations in Dubai with some builders, right? Where,
yeah, they're just so like what Jack said, so focused on their niche, right? Sometimes it's like,
you got to be discovered too, somehow or some way, right? And I think definitely the do's, right, is to try to be present in areas where maybe you're not so as present, right, to raise awareness.
Like honestly, like doing this right now, right, hosting spaces, I know I'm pretty biased to say that, right, being part of Fungible.
But like honestly, like space is a great way for you to get discovered and known, right?
I always talk about, you know, it costs zero dollars to host spaces. yes and no, but to start, right, it costs zero dollars, right?
And I see a lot of brands, like maybe they're just skeptical or whatnot about spaces, or maybe
they just don't know how to do it, right? But like, it's definitely so very powerful when the
founder gets out there and is active, right? And people, yeah, that can engage with the team, the founder,
and also like maybe a don't when it comes to spaces. And then this is more detailed, but
you know, honestly, I don't know about you, Jack, but like as a space host, sometimes like
I actually rather prefer someone come like when a brand comes up to speak to have both the brand account and the
personal account come up and have the personal speak instead of the brand account because there's
a lot of times when i'm hosting spaces again this is my little spicy here but like and then you know
and then a brand account comes up right i always and jack jack has probably done this like a million
times by now right and then you ask oh who's on behalf of the account right and they say you know someone and it's hard to really identify that that person right because
again like let's say like if someone wants to like interact with that person after spaces right like
where do you go like do you dm the account well a lot of times the account doesn't really respond
right because they get dms or just no one's really manning it right and so that's one actually very spicy take because we still i still get a lot of people speak on to
the brand account but i feel like if people were able to speak on the personal account and brand
account have both the personal account come up as as speakers but that speaking the personal account
i just feel like it just makes it more personable as as a brand at least that's from my perspective
maybe other people maybe jack you have a better other perspective, but.
No, dude, I completely agree.
I think, look, it's really important to have both up.
Like it's not one or the other.
That's one thing because what you want to be is you want to be presenting yourself as a thought leader within the industry and putting a face to that brand's name.
But you also need the audience to be able to very
quickly and obviously the quickest way is to say by the way the brand accounts up here just follow
the brand account as opposed to go into my link click on the link within the link and the bio and
the art and the bike like you don't want to give them multiple clicks so that's one thing but yeah
look what chin is basically saying this isn't new this is something that all projects and all even
traditional businesses are now realizing is that the way human beings connect to a brand is not as
effective as the way they connect to a person that's why you know who elon musk is more than
you know who tesla or you know who spacex is it's the same way that like right now in the world we used to
have football teams completely be the be all and end all of the fandom around that and that can be
for us football or uk football in terms of soccer for the us homies but all of that being said right
now no it's messy it's ronaldo and it's the new wave of Neymar's and Mbappe's and everyone else as well.
People connect more to the player at this point.
And look, this isn't even up for debate.
Just go to the Instagrams of these accounts
and go check out where Real Madrid is at and where Ronaldo is at.
Go check out where Barcelona or freaking Miami
or wherever Messi's currently playing
and go check out Messi Barcelona or freaking Miami or wherever Messi is currently playing and go check out
Messi's full account and what
these people are learning is
that oh right so when
a person actually sees
a project and a brand
if they see a face they're going to connect way
way heavily towards that
as opposed to just seeing a brand and seeing
a logo and then immediately being
like well this isn't a person so I don't give a fuck.
I like these hot takes because it's what I told Jashaka here.
Bring the G-Coy account, but come up and speak.
So I love it. Thank you.
It's perfect.
Oh, I see Maximilian's here too.
Let's get her up on stage.
Let's see if she wants to. Hey, Maximilian, did you want to add to this part of the conversation? How are you, GM?
GM, GM, you know what? I'm loving this conversation and it's just what I needed to hear. For anyone who doesn't know me, my name is Maximilian. I've been in the space since 2021, putting art, music, etc. on the blockchain.
And this is really exciting.
For anyone who hasn't seen, I've been building my little tukus off lately, building a bunch of different applications.
And this has been really exciting for me to hear because it's been really challenging while building to also build community.
So I struggle with feeling connected during the times when I'm building and I try to stay connected.
So hearing this refreshment of what's going on in the space
and how many spaces are really being hosted
and what's working in the space is really filling me
with confidence and helping me feel reacclimated.
Y'all know how difficult it is to stay connected when you've got your head down in builder mode.
Love it. I want to also say hi to NFT kid Keith.
Keith, are you with us this morning? How are you doing?
Yo, yo. Yeah, I'm here.
This was damn early. I just woke up and i was like damn it's 6 21 i'm late
you are late my friend we've got a dude um we've got dude token coming out jack how's that looking
right now i see that let me check let me check but i think for so basically what you need to
know about dude if we want to do a quick tldr about how doodles like mechanics worked is essentially
there's only one prime collection which is the doodles collection so the majority of the token
is connected to the main doodles collection they do have like boxes and like these like
secondary assets but they're not secondary nft pfp assets They're literally like much smaller connected projects to this.
So for every doodle that people held, there was an 185,000 dude token that was allocated to them
across the board. Any OG doodle, that's what they got. But they had been staking their doodles for
some people for like way over a year.
And the staking is where you really end.
So there's multiple people saying they owned like a million plus doodle because of the staking mechanic that they end.
So for me, who was a relatively new doodle, because funny, funny story, but I actually won my doodle.
My initial doodle, Ben Toast did like this huge giveaway where he was giving one doodle
away for someone who just liked and retweeted the post bringing back the og vibes and it was the one
time i was like actually this makes sense to like and retweet this because i actually love doodles
so i'm not like in any way concerned about giving these guys more attention on the timeline and
wouldn't that be a funny story if i actually managed to win one funnily enough i was the dude who somehow won it um which was kind of crazy it wasn't this one
and but it was a really like clean doodle and then i went and upgraded to this one which is
one of like the 30 plus coffee heads like it's really rare trait within the collection so i got
around 200 000 doodle right now that is looking at about 1,800 to $2,000 just dropped
for me completely for free. Basically makes up the difference between what I was given the free
doodle and the upgrade that I made, which is lovely. I haven't sold it yet though, because
I don't know. I just, I, for some some reason i'm my gut is telling me not to no
other information but for most people if they were at a million which is all they had to do is have
held this thing for for like the time they bought it and staked it when the staking mechanic was set
up they're at like 10k right now so like the actual doodle collection itself is at like 3.6 ETH, $2,300.
So basically they have more than what the OG Doodle is that they could sell within DoodToken
right now.
And all they had to do is own it and stake it.
So for me, it's a massive, massive win for the ecosystem, for the space as well.
Hopefully that money will get reintroduced into the space in some way, or these guys might
hold it because look, Doodles has been through some absolute fud. So these guys, if they have
staked it for the amount of time that they've staked it for, I don't know. I don't know if
these guys are selling it or not all of it. I would, I would really implore them to sell like
50%. Like if they literally can like make back a Doodle right now with by selling like 50%,
then I think you've held enough.
Like some of this, even the project will be like, no, you, you take your bag right now.
Like this is a reward for you, but if they don't want to sell all of it and some of them
definitely won't, then, um, absolutely love to see that they're still getting a major
bag.
Um, and you look, yeah, I've just got $2,000 dropped into my account for free.
So I ain't complaining either.
It's funny, Jack, that you mentioned all you did was like and retweet because that's what we're
asking today too for those of you who want to potentially win a nazuki elemental during this
space we're going to give it out in a few you have to like retweet tag two friends um follow
myself g coy as well and uh why not follow Jack as well? Because he's a good chat.
So it's funny because we are trying to bring up those vibes back, Jack.
It's hilarious that you mentioned that.
You never know what could happen, right, by just liking and retweeting.
And it might actually change your life.
Look at Jack today.
Okay, Jashaka, you've got your hand up.
Yeah.
So, Jack, I got, I guess, another question for you, because before Azuki dropped an EME coin, there was like a mad rush on Azuki's.
I remember because I bought a beans for 300 bucks.
I bought an elemental for 600 bucks.
And we did a New Year's giveaway.
And the winner of the beans sold it for like three grand it was
crazy right um i don't see that much of a run-up around doodles but they did run up quite a bit
um however after the anime coin mint the anime the azuki's crashed right Because I think Azuki gave away 50% of supply to the community. Azuki's crashed
because also the market crashed. So everybody was buying Azuki's to get an Emecoin. After they
did the distribution of an Emecoin, the market crashed, so an Emecoin crashed. So then people
started selling off all these extra Azuki's they bought. Do you think that this is going to happen with Doodles as well?
Or what's your take on that?
Yeah, yeah.
Look, Zookies is a really good example in a really similar price right now.
And also you've got Pudgies who did it recently.
And it was about a 58% drop.
And I only know this is a very specific figure on the floor price because
whale literally posted about it earlier who's obviously one of the biggest uh influencers who
still actually talks about nfts within the space if not the biggest um i do expect there will be a
drop off with doodles as well i think the one caveat is it didn't have the price appreciation
that we saw azuki have like it didn't have that huge uptick so the downtick
might not be as aggressive and also the market is going into an upswing as opposed to like the
heavy heavy down market that anime dropped into because of everything that was going on with the
wider markets um obviously with the us the tariff situation trump then millennia like it was like a triple factor hit on both crypto
coins and the market more broadly which obviously affects on risk assets so yeah i would expect it
to drop i would not be surprised if it goes more in line with where azuki currently is which is
like a 2.5 2.6 but then i would also expect that these things are going to run if if crypto continues to go on
the uptick and basically yeah i would expect that nfts will also see some value within that even if
ethereum's going up it's a weird weird scenario but um i do yeah i do expect them to not be hit
as heavily as the original sort of azuki and anime coin hit happened back then.
Okay, I want to talk gaming.
I want to start talking about the games.
Jax tapped into Everreach Games.
I want you to maybe talk to us about that game on Epic.
And then we mentioned gaming at the beginning of the show,
but what's making people
excited about crypto gaming right now and obviously like joshaka said too gcoys also
um going to be launching a game so would love to hear what you have to say about gaming right now
and um and the future of crypto gaming yeah look it's it fundamentally very, very clear at this point that AAA games are not likely to be competing anytime soon.
You know, I think there's maybe one or two out there, like Off the Grid being like the prime example.
But all of that being said, what is happening right now, which is getting people very, very excited,
is the fact that actually it's the indie
games that are taking over even in the traditional space like it's not actually the triple a games
so there's a role-based game out here right now which is the best-selling game like for a long
long time i think they've literally sold like a million copies and this is like a full-fledged indie game as well where it's literally what it's something 30 right chin have you seen this game
i'm trying to find the exact game sorry is it indie game yeah it's an indie game it was built
in france and there's the figure 30 is in the name i I will find it. Figure 30. Okay. Yeah. But anyway, yes.
You haven't heard about this yet?
You know, I agree with you
when it comes to indie games
as a whole for Web3 gaming
because I feel like
the majority of the games
in Web3 are considered indie anyways,
like small studios
and stuff like that.
Yeah.
I'm honestly interested
in seeing what happens
with MapleStoryU.
That one, you know,
it's launching maybe in a couple weeks.
That's going to be very interesting to see
if they actually get normies to play
versus the Web3 people.
So that's one game I'm kind of observing
what's going to happen with them.
Yeah, but yeah, I don't think I heard that.
The one that you're mentioning. I found it, brother. Thank you for filling time there. going to happen with them uh yeah but uh yeah i don't think i heard that the one with the
one that you're mentioning okay i found it brother thank you for filling time there whilst i had a
little look and this is what happens when you've got some uh speakers on stage you get you get a
little bit more time to actually find the information but it's a clear obscure expedition
33 and the reason i bring this game up not just because it's got a 9 out of 10 on
Steam right now, and the highest rating in any game that's launched so far on Metacritic with
92% review rate, it is because it's fundamentally been run by this one guy who was bored in Ubisoft,
and he had this idea for a game, and then he decided just to bring 30 junior developers to create this game
and now it's one of well a it's the highest rated game in the whole gaming space right now not web
free not indie just full stop and and b it sold over a million copies already and it launched
like four days ago so like the the thing about this game and the reason people are so bullish on it crypto
gaming right now is because they've realized that triple a games that are literally you know you're
talking hundreds of developers um usually like nearly the billions to actually execute from a
market campaign to the development of the game five or seven years in development all of those
things that's not going to happen in the crypto space yet the whole traditional space is very very quickly pivoting towards being
more interested in not just these five titles that have ruled the roost for the past decade being
fortnight call of duty being like basically any game that you can think of just top of your head
even assassin's creed and some of the single player games like they are now moving more towards what is unique what is different and you're getting these indie game
successes like clear obscure expedition 33 which is the full title go look it up and this is why
people are so bullish because it's like oh we don't need that budget indie games are now succeeding
oh with the budget that we can actually acquire through just telling people in the web free
space this is our idea for the game and here's the developers and here's the people who are
building it so as long as you have some reputation traditionally in terms of oh yeah we can actually
build this thing and a cool concept that you can bring web free along for the journey with
people are realizing now is actually a moment in time where you can make tremendous profit but honestly like just succeed in the traditional gaming space which honestly for
the past decade just hasn't been the case is that like saying um they started out in web 2 and now
they're sort of like bringing in the web 3 people like quietly because you know we always talk about
how do we bridge the retail and and the
crypto people is that what they did there jack like uh just just to follow up there so clear
obscure is nothing to do with web free to my knowledge has no underlying crypto yeah yeah it's
it's no it started and currently exists only in web 2 the big big key focus as to why web 3 people are excited about this game
is because the budget and because of the execution and essentially what now is happening in the
traditional gaming space that makes it very very bullish for crypto games is people no longer care
about a reputation or about a triple a game studio with billions of dollars on their
disposal to get these games launched it is purely about what is unique what is honestly what is just
fun to play and what doesn't extract from players and i think those three key things are where
actually crypto gaming thrives like we we don't extract, we actually provide
because all of these assets are tradable
and you as a gamer own them.
We don't have the billions or the years and years
to develop these games.
Well, that's not required anymore.
Clear, obscure, Expedition 33 is a prime example of that.
And three is we don't have the developer power
to build out these games.
Okay, well, AI is now in.
And also this was a team with 30 junior developers
junior like not like these crazy crazy developers that have millions of you know dollars just to
literally bring them into a game this was just built by a bunch of people who were super passionate
about the game they were creating and it had that mass adoption and that mass success. And that's why crypto gaming, and this is why I use it as an example.
It's not because this is a crypto game.
It's because this actual concept is very easy to execute within a real crypto gaming space like Everreach, which is a crypto game that we can talk about a little if you like.
Yeah, let's talk about it because uh you had some nice numbers there
let's talk about that game yeah so everreach is currently the top 10 most wished for game
on a multitude of different platforms including universe basically it's one of the most wished
for games in the world right now um it is also completely a traditional web free built funded crypto game which is really really
interesting to me because it still has that indie movement to it but also they are very much in the
limelight in the traditional space what they have done is they have built a game where it's not just
the gamer who plays it it's's also fundamentally supported by Twitch.
So Twitch, obviously the biggest gaming streaming platform
on the planet right now.
And they have a direct partnership with Twitch,
which means when people are watching the streaming of this game,
they can actively participate by viewing on Twitch.
So it's a little bit like, have you guys seen the Hunger Games?
So you know when the viewers in the Hunger Games basically can provide potions and things,
I think it's the first or the second movie, and they basically can actively participate
within the game itself?
That's what Everreach are trying to build out.
They're building a game that's streamable.
The content is so engaging that people are going to go and watch it but also the people
in the viewer side the actual people watching the stream can participate and they can actually give
people like boxes they can give people all of these different opportunities they can also
have four major stream viewers who basically do a little bit of like reconnaissance and explain to
them okay these are the villains that you're going to come up against these are the enemies you're going to come up against and it's just
everyone loves the concept and it's a crypto game so yeah this this again is why a lot of people are
super super bullish on web free and crypto gaming because you've got the ownership of the assets but
you've also basically got the whole trajectory in which the traditional gaming space are moving to really support
what people are already building
in Web3. So it just
feels like a really cool alignment
of time versus execution
within the space.
Is that Everreach Project Eden?
Or is that
something else? No, that's something else.
The game itself is...
I don't know if they have a Twitter if you want to pin it oh they do yeah yeah let me pin it up on top and but they are
building revenge so the game that i've just ever reaches the studio um which i am pinning up top
with like a really cool video they're also in basically like a couple of weeks away from
launching their alpha as well so this isn't a game where it's like oh well you know it's actually not you know you can't even see the thing you don't know how it's going to work
like the alpha is about to launch so this is a game that actually tangibly people can get a hold
of and tell you whether they enjoy it or not but the people who want to play this game top 10 top
10 most wished for game um right now on the planet which is kind of crazy
yeah post it up dying to check it out it is pinned up top
well just gonna put in there while you were speaking i was watching doodles on magic eden
and similar to zuki don't crash to 0.9 and now it's on the way back up and i got one at 0.95 e dude that is such a good catch
yeah and now they're on the way back up so it kind of just dived right when i checked it
and i was like man i need to get one so quickly so i grabbed one so i know they seem to be going
back up hopefully i'll double my money it would be a great day great space let's go well look guys i know you have a giveaway to do and i am also like
very tight on having to call out on the out on the hour so i want to give the mic back over to
girl in the verse but i know there's some people in here who want that sexy sexy giveaway well
thank you jack you know i did want to just get just quickly because you
know i am the girl in the verse here and i you know originally was bullish when it came to crypto
because of the metaverse right but i do want to get your take on this metaverse is it coming back
is it still sexy and then yeah i'll go with the giveaway before you leave and look the metaverse is maybe coming back we haven't seen anyone build it
yet and when i say that like triple a version of a metaverse is going to take like a it's a decade
away like maybe with ai a little bit less if there's a project that are just you know behind
the scenes in the shadows building something right now which is very very possible i think the closest we're going to get to a metaverse in the coming years will be gta 6
in may 2026 like i think that is going to be as close as we get to a metaverse right now but if
we're talking ready player one style shit yeah i think we're at least half a decade away with ai now
just making it much much easier to develop these things but realistically least half a decade away with AI now, just making it much, much easier to develop these things. But realistically, at least a decade away, unless like both the technology,
the infrastructure and everything else that would take to just see that adoption come
would actually be here. Thank you. Great take. Love that. We are still very, very early. I love
it. Thank you so much, Jack. I know you got to jump.
So thank you so much for being here, for being a speaker.
Now I'm going to do like Chin.
I'm so honored that you came to speak on my space.
I'll see you.
I'll see you around.
You know, I like to come in on your spaces too and support.
So thank you so much, Jack.
Thank you, Chin, as well for being here. I love Chin. We got to come in on your spaces too and support. So thank you so much, Jack. Thank you, Chin, as well for being here.
I love Chin.
We got to meet in Dubai.
It was so fun to come say hi.
And I have to post that picture we took with your shoes,
just that flash just hit those shoes.
I know you know what I'm talking about.
I got to post that picture.
Let's go away with the, let's give out this Azuki elemental.
Jashaka, how do you want to proceed here?
I feel like we need to kind of like drum roll here and maybe give it out to someone who's
in the space who did everything we asked them to do.
Um, yeah, let's see.
I was looking at everyone who is in this space and I don't know, it may not be totally fair,
but I'd like to give it to Chin because he retweeted the space.
He came up as a speaker. He actively helped to promote. He helped with the interview.
And I just think that's the coolest thing. So and hopefully he won't sell it. He'll keep on to it.
Let's go, Chin!
You just wanted a Zuki Elemental. How does it feel? How does it feel? I'm passing the mic over to you.
Oh, man.
Man.
Wow.
Wow.
Thank you so much.
I wasn't expecting that, but I really appreciate it.
And, dude, I love these spaces.
Guru Universe, do you host these spaces every Friday around this time?
It's interesting.
We actually shot the shit with Jack this morning that's why i did
it this early we're actually not sure you know but uh it will be a recurring we will start doing
weekly spaces um powered by gcoy as well and our goal here is to give away nfts every time i host
the space so you got to stay tuned i guess dude nice nice yeah definitely i really enjoy the space love the vibe and uh
yeah i would love to join more uh yeah but really really appreciate for that giveaway uh yeah
definitely i'm i'm surprised i was like oh okay uh but no really really appreciate thank you
well dude you earned it you worked you did everything and you helped a lot. So awesome, man. So cool.
I love it.
Chin, you never know.
I might have to ask you to co-host with me and we'll talk all things Unfungible and everything you're doing on that side of the woods too.
So yeah, excited.
Thank you so much, everyone, for being here.
I do want to give like special shout outs because I'm seeing some friends.
I see Laura here.
I see Kuya, Margo, Deca, Muriel,iel kaito ac um arena as well dazzling eric you can crypto wife uh hello
kitty mr kong uh everyone in here thank you so much for being here this was you know officially
maybe my first face back as a girl the verse melina melina just real quick you can is a huge
gamer he has so much
alpha about gaming. So I'm glad he showed up and came in here so you can really appreciate you,
bro. And yeah, I think we all need to get more integrated with him, but yeah, great space. I was
a little late, but I was sharing it out and a great vibe is Melina. Great. Yeah, Keith, thank
you so much. I mean, we have to, we should also
do a space together because I was there with you at your fight last week in Dubai and that was
such a vibe. It was really fun to be there with you. Keith was so calm the entire week. I was
stressed out for him. He was like super calm. But Keith, we should do a space to even talk about
Crypto Fight Night. We'll try to find you in time yeah yeah shout out to weed because it keeps me calm every day all
day yeah but i have to say that when sam won and he got up and i just have to say i'm not
a religious person but i think we were in the middle of um of a muslim country and he said praise to jesus
christ thank you my lord jesus i think the whole place just went quiet it was so funny yo
yeah and then he's like we're spreading democracy i know freedom i loved it it It was awesome. That's hilarious.
No, it was a good time.
Yeah, look, we're going to keep doing these.
I'm happy with the results today.
This was really fun.
Thank you guys for being here.
And of course, follow everyone up on stage.
Hit the notification bell and we'll see you when we see you.
Bye, guys.
