all right guys uh mike testford is dossek or is dossek ground suit sorry about that guys
i was trying to rectify a connection issue and it rubbed the whole space and we're back
no worries and it's gone hey uh you know roc i know you were answering my question
in the last space before it like a crash or whatever right but um i wanted to ask you like
would it be any type of benefit if like the doge foundation made like a like a ipfs type
of database specific for doge and like would that like make any difference like if like the memory
is like less uh for these inscriptions the um the real reason i'm asking this is because
on eth descriptions there's only a certain amount of kilobytes of data that are like
available right and if nfts like if people want to have nfts like have like the highest quality
and like they want to like do transaction volume like i've seen so much like wash trading with eth
nfts like it's like there's so many possibilities that this type of stuff is going to continue to
happen so like i didn't know if like you had like any ideas on that type or like on that subject too
i'm not following fully can you restate that yeah like so each descriptions when each descriptions
were created right and the same thing i think with bitcoin ordinals there's only a certain
amount of kilobytes of data that can actually be stored on them right i don't know like how
much data can be like uh i i just remember it was like a limit of like a certain amount of
kilobytes per uh each description like i don't know like the the technical aspect of why but um
i do remember like that being a discussion like when they first came out and like the quality of
like these nfts and like what we're seeing on open sea versus or like wherever these
nfts are existing versus like what's like actually saved on the blockchain
yeah i'm not sure so eth is obviously a very different animal than both bitcoin and doge
and you know doge fork of bitcoin uh but well a fork of some other things that were forks of bitcoin
uh not sure i mean i know that like looking back in history there was like there was things like
up return that were added to bitcoin because people were storing some data on bitcoin and
they basically added like a compartment area on bitcoin transactions where you could
store data and then with that um you can also like prune that data out if you didn't want to
see that data or something i'm not really sure but um i think people just find ways around that
so like no matter what limitations like let's say we put a limitation of you can only
do so large of uh an or a dotional right people will find a way around it especially now that
this is becoming a big thing and that there's like huge communities around it there's millions
or billions of dollars at stake uh on bitcoin ordinals and doge ordinals that like no matter
what it like i guess the question and i'm not sure what your opinion or what you're uh implying
and you can fill that in but so some people think the way you do it is by like forcing things they
go you go change the code and you do something you put something in the code that stops inscriptions
from working um maybe you're suggesting maybe we can do a more friendly you know uh fork or
friendly harder soft fork or update to some kind of part of it in the stack that says like okay
yeah you can do them but you they can only be a certain size i think that's more palatable but
i think that's personally i don't think acceptable either i think i don't think we should be changing
the protocol to stop people from putting things on it if they're willing to pay the
the mining fee i think it's a free market and we should just let people do that but it's a good
conversation to have for sure what what yeah maybe expand on what you think there yeah like um like
for me like nft's and stuff when i first like found out about nft's i knew that like hey it's
not just art eventually there would be like smart contracts that'll be utilized to represent deeds
for houses and cars and like contracts that we might have between one another but um i know that
when the descriptions came out right like uh like that became like the big thing or whatever right
and like with bitcoin ordinals like when um when ordinals like inscriptions came out it was also
like like the big thing right but like and i know with nft's and doge like community everybody would
rather have this money coming through doge to like empower the network and like separate us from
these other chains but at the same time like in 10 years sorry repeat that again you said everybody
would like that not everybody i don't mean everyone i don't think everybody does and there's people
who are vehemently fighting this and saying that it's terrible and that it's spam that it's
bullshit and both on bitcoin and on doge so yeah just to be nuanced there not nuanced not everybody
i mean like everybody wants to see the benefits but not like the like the you know repercussions
or any consequences we might face with like but this type of thing if they're like if tesla
tomorrow says hey we're gonna do all of our car deeds on dogecoin tomorrow and it's gonna be like
through smart contracts and like it's gonna be on the chain right it's gonna blow the network it's
gonna get crazy right so like the the problems that like are happening today are like problems
that'll force like uh like force in the right direction the evolution of technology to like
be able to like create these things in like a sustainable fashion that won't like have any
impairment on like the network but um i don't think like you know i don't have like an opinion
either way as far as like you know if it's like the right thing like to do doge inscriptions or
not but i'm just thinking like outside of the box and like trying to like pitch ideas that smarter
people in this room can like talk to each other and like think about like hey these are things
that might have worked in the past or like things that we might be able to integrate so maybe we can
take this to the table and talk about it yeah definitely let's continue on that but i see j5
had his hand up for a bit by the way everybody do me a favor we have like way less people
on the space right now because it just got rugged let's build it back up we're trying to get some
special guests here too some um i'm in talks with three different of uh people who've developed
four doge directly including foundation members x foundation x core devs uh and trying to get them
up we need more people to entice these people to come so we had a bunch of people in the space
like 200 now we're down to uh actually we're at almost 200 now okay great if they're all joining
that little by little cool cool um yeah but please share this in your groups you guys especially
share this in your ordinals communities this is a very important conversation this is in you know
some are calling this a civil war of of doge and depending on what the outcome is and and i can tell
you from talking to people there are some people who are actually serious about trying to stop uh
ordinals and they're trying to uh rally other people to destroy these doge ordinals i'm dead
serious about this and i'm talking to some of these people in in dms and stuff and there are
people who hate this and are like going to make it their mission to end this so if you care about
dogeinals if you care about doge uh or if you if you hate ordinals hate dorgen dogeinals we're not
here to like judge you on on on what you think we are here to have a good conversation and find
solutions whether that solution is destroy dogeinals or make layer twos like doge chain that's my
favorite option i'm biased here but um whatever the solution is we we got to figure something
out maybe it's something like you said limiting the size of the data that you could put on these
inscriptions maybe it's something else maybe maybe all the traffic will just move to okx and magic
eden when they you know okx said they're supporting dogeinals soon and um magic eden it seems like
there's some hints that they may be supporting supporting dogeinals soon maybe like i mean this
is something that i'm surprised it's happening so fast because like you guys have if you've been on
these spaces have heard us saying that basically you know doge is great for ordinals because
bitcoin fees not too high so everyone came to doge and then but doge fees will get high eventually
too and then people will have to move them we think off chain to something like doge chain and
that's why we're building our dogeinals bridge and infrastructure for that but uh i didn't expect it
to happen so fast we've been literally talking about this just for the last you know couple
months and now it's already basically here and uh so look this is i think good for doge i think
it's good for doge chain for sure because we're the release valve and uh you know very similar
i've told this story before but this is what polygon was when ethereum gas fees got high that's how
polygon got so big and you know quicksoft which i'm a co-founder of was the first step to a million
in tbl and the first step to a billion in daily volume and that was all because ethereum gas fees
got too high and polygon was the release valve matic at the time was the release valve and now
we're we're just playing through this same kind of thing again the same playbook doge chain um
with what so doge chain was made for a few reasons it was made to mainly bring smart contracts to doge
because doge wasn't too congested it didn't need a release valve but part of the benefit of doge
chain was that it could be a release valve for doge and you know i didn't think that that would
come so fast but it's here doge chain is the only thing that you can use as a release valve for doge
right now it's the only option so um i think hey good for us to be in this position to and to be
able to support the doge community i think interestingly we're going to see a lot of
conversation here between those who were skeptical about doge chain originally some of the maxis
some of doge maxis who are very similarly the same people who are generally against doge ordinals
now the funny part here is um i think they don't understand doge chain enough because for example
um princess mentioned she had commented and that was really great i saw that and that got me thinking
so thank you for that but timothy stepping had said i asked him a question maybe we could get
it pinned it to the jumbotron actually um jack do you have a link it's it's it's one of the top
comments on the link i sent you yesterday actually the link that this two spaces about
if you scroll down you'll see one of my i'll find it i'll find it i'll i'll link it to you in a second
but but anyways the point is that um timothy said that basically i'll summarize for him
he said that doge chain and dogeinals bloat uh you know they add uh transactions to doge and
you know princess corrected him and i had to jump in and explain it further which is no actually
dogeinals and doge chain do the opposite dogeinals are on chain every transaction is on chain and it
blokes doge doge chain is actually a side chain so doge chain scales doge it makes it be able to
handle more transactions so for example at peak we were doing i think 3.8 million or 4 million
transactions a day which is like four times what ethereum does um these days it's a lot less it's
like under a million or whatever but uh still pretty cool to see that those are transactions
that would have may have or would have happened on doge so you know um at peak it was like 25 or 30
million dollars of doge had been bridged i think it was like whatever 500 million doge or something
uh had been bridged over to doge chain and that is used in nft markets and to buy whatever stable
coins or you know meme tokens or whatever you want to do with your doge you can you can uh stake it
in some protocols you could use it as collateral there's you could use it in these market places
so all those you could tip it using doge tools which are on the stage here um you can tip you
know nft's and you pay doge's gas you can tip doge to tons of communities hundreds of communities now
because their their tip tip is in hundreds of communities and so when you tip using doge
on proof of work that is a transaction on the chain it blokes the chain by definition
some would call that spam i think that's ridiculous to call that spam i think it's
it's that's just silly that's what the chain is for the argument i guess is well that's what it's
for images is not what it's for so images therefore must be spam i disagree anyways um doge chain all
those millions of transactions and whatever 11 million wallets or whatever are all taking
taking the traffic off of the main chain and putting it onto a side chain but still benefiting
doge because doge is the gas doge is the currency increases velocity of money and if we enact
1559 then we could burn doge and make doge deflationary which i'm i'm going to be making
a hard push for you know i i don't make the decisions it's the community but i'm going to be
really pushing for us to get a governance vote going once we go to cdk that we we take some of
the rap doge we convert it to doge say once a week or once a month and then we burn it and that'll be
live on you know doge main chain you'll see that um so a lot of benefits but yeah to be very clear
here dogeinals do bloat doge but i i think it's fair and i think it's if they want to pay the
transaction fees all their all the power to them i'm sporting one right now on my pfb uh but it
does bloat doge yes doge chain does not though doge chain takes the transactions off chain so you
can mint your dogeinals on doge and then bridge them to doge chain and now never have to do
another transaction on chain never bloat the chain someone in ethiopia or whatever can do
their coffee transaction i don't think that'll happen forever though unfortunately because the
chain will fill up at some point and we will have to move things to layer two just like bitcoin is
doing scaling on layer one is basically impossible if you don't want to give other unless you're
willing to give up decentralization or security that's the scaling trilemma okay i'll shut up uh
hey can i just add something i think just one thing nope go ahead go ahead okay um so i just
wanted to add a little bit about uh what the tip bot has done too and this is all made possible by
doge chain using doge as gas so we're now in over 500 telegram groups we've been able to actually
create three separate bots that all run on gas doge gas so we have a burn bot and nft tip bot
which you actually can tip your friends nfts inside of your telegram channel it shows the image
and it goes directly from your wallet to their wallet we have a burn bot too talking about doge
burns i don't know exactly off the top of my head how much doge has been burned but you actually
just type a prompt into telegram chat and it actually sends that doge to a burn wallet so
these are all really cool things that doge chain has made possible using doge for anybody who's
interested too we're on a whole bunch of chains now you can actually look at our pin message as
well and we're actually opening up our burn bot to do free listings so a lot of our our bots right
now they're by subscriptions but we're actually opening up one of our our bots the burn bot for
any project that would like to be listed on that um you can just fill out our form and we're gonna
start getting you guys on that so you can use it but yeah we've got almost like i think 13 000 users
and in 500 telegram groups and all of that like you said is taking uh traffic away from doge's
main chain as well so you guys are amazing i really love what you guys are doing i mean true
builders for doge i mean that is so cool that is so amazing being able and soon you'll be able to
tip dogeinals which will be really cool i wonder if there's a way you could this is maybe a next
roadmap thing for you guys but there are projects doing fractional nft ownership i wonder if it's
possible to do fractional nft tip bot ownership if that is possible that would be kind of cool but
that is super interesting and you know what i'll add it to our list of things where we are gonna
be working on fractional nft tipping okay because talk to darren over at quick swap there is a
polygon project that uh i know quick swap works with that is doing that fractional nft stuff maybe
you guys can work together you're talking about nft earth so nft earth and are you talking about
the new uh nft standard it's um erc 404 i am not i and i don't know what the standard they
are how they do it um but and i don't know if it's nft earth maybe that's a different one
maybe that's another one i don't remember who it was but uh there's some polygon project i know
from a while back uh that's been on a couple of our polygon spaces yeah erc 404 is the worst
thing that's ever happened like that was a protocol that wasn't even like approved through
like the normal like protocols through ethereum that was like by one individual nft it's like the
new hottest thing there's like tons of spaces coming out about erc 404 and i've been diving
into it um interesting functionality and hybrid approach i'm definitely not an expert on it but
i was just wondering if that's what rock was talking about with the uh when he said fractional
eyes i thought of the way that you know you could trade the nfts and in portions on like a dex if
you're using the 404 uh standard but that is probably i'm assuming maybe that even you say
on a dex maybe it's like making these nfts like more fungible or something but oh gee okay okay
first look we got a few things here one i want to i want to dig in we love when people have
disagreements uh that's the best thing about spaces is this uh it's a town hall a forum uh
a round table for us all to come together and and when we disagree let's learn together and
let's find out why we disagree but well can i um yeah i'd like to ask a controversial question then
um well once one second Aztec if i could just pause you bro i'm really sorry because i'm
DMing j5 he has been trying to talk and have his hand up for like a long time and i really want
to speak i'm so sorry Aztec yeah can we let j5 what were you trying to say bro if you still
remember it's been a while and then we'll go back to this whole debate no no no worries we're we're
actually all on the same page i was just um you know chiming in on the first off that doe chain
is the solution for this because that proposition of you know the burn and all of that is just
going to really add value to it but then you touched on this and we've talked about it in
previous spaces when we were in there with the doe channels which is what Aztec just mentioned
that zk roll-up isn't give access to liquidity that wasn't there before which means obviously
once those doe channels come over they can be listed on mantra they can be used in so many ways
you open this marketplace so a bunch of other people that don't necessarily have to come from
the doe side you know and it's like i think it's so overlooked and it's like you guys are crazy
like this is like ready to explode and all you have to do is move forward
yeah definitely and it also that the big thing that a lot of people don't realize about when
doe's chain transitions to zk vm or cdk is that you'll be able to now it opens up the floodgates
of you can now move your ordinals to any ethereum well not right away to any ethereum ecosystem but
eventually so at first it'll just be to polygon chains but there's a bunch of great ones and it's
really the best l2s in my opinion but you'll be able to come to doe's chain now you are natively
on eth you are like trustlessly on eth has a true zero knowledge zk proof roll-up okay
and you can now bridge that to manta which everyone's talking about right now like 600
million tbl uh and quick swap's the biggest decks there you could bridge that to immutable which
quick swap did a vote we're going to uh and which is you know they're one of the biggest gaming
chains and now they're coming to polygon you'll be able to bridge it to astar which we just had on
the show the polygon show earlier and i'm sure they're gonna they're a billion dollar project
and they're gonna be probably doing a big airdrop and there's some information uh actually on the
last show about some of this stuff if you want to go back and listen to that um who else okx who
just announced support for doge ordinals they have their chain quick swaps going there as well
um so far quick swaps the number one decks on every chain we've gone to hopefully we'll be able
to be number one on astar uh immutable and who else did i say whatever anyways oh okx so um
but yeah so imagine if okx does dosional support on their blockchain too which is comparable to like
based for coinbase binance smart chain for binance and now you have x1 for okx which is a
polygon chain so you'll be able to bridge to all of these from from your like now you take a doge
you minted on a dojano you minted on the doge proof of work now yes it blows the chain you know
kind of you know temporarily but actually also permanently because it's stored on the chain but
it's not messing with bandwidth at that point and no it doesn't affect transaction fees per block
anymore but it is stored on the chain so it does increase the size of the overall blockchain which
is at 120 megabytes or 120 gigabytes right now for doge uh which is not you know that's pretty good
it's pretty small for a blockchain actually very small uh so anyways you'll be able to now use
those dojanals all over ethereum and ethereum main chain too and all that liquidity can flow
in from ethereum and all these chains now into dojanals i just had an interesting thought about
the framing of this whole debate with regards to like the way people treat endogenals mentors and
and holders it's kind of like if you imagine the the original proof of what doge is like a ball
so um the technology that is really interesting just to piggy up piggyback off what you're saying
it's a huge opportunity for uh for the doge community are you guys might be one of you might
be right oh it's probably me then let me uh yeah let me leave and i'll come back okay okay i can
hear our tech so i think we're fine on that yeah so it was just gonna say like an interesting way
of framing this is like if you imagine that the doge proof of what doge chain is that is a mall
there's some people from the mall to do like shopping like luxury shopping purchases and
they go in they buy the item and then they leave that's pretty quick and easy it's not very
demanded on the mall other people want to go want to go to the mall they want to stay all day they
want to eat food and all that kind of stuff that's probably slightly more demanded on the services
in the mall you have to like you know the people are occupied space for a little longer as well
but nobody who operates the mall thinks okay those guys are slightly more demanding let's
just kick them all out there's kind of silly things to do right but that's the way we're
looking at this right now cash registers getting jammed yeah fuck you guys no but that but
seriously that's the way this debate is being framed at the moment and instead we should go
how amazing is it that this you know basically 10 year old meme coin is still getting increasing
amounts of traction has more transactions than it has in a while has more fresh wallets and it's
having a while you know and i think that's a really positive thing overall and that's the
way we should be looking at this in my opinion that's amazing and um you know as tech i wanted
to uh like just tell you with the erc 404 thing and why i didn't like it is because like with
fractionalized like uh nfts with erc 404 like how it's working is like i think they're combining
like erc 20 and 721 to like have these fractionalized shares but um it's it's bloating the
blockchain for ethereum so much so that like gas has gone up like 10x since like it's happened
right and um the other thing about it it like if fractionalized is the like if it's the the way to
go for like doge chain and doge coin to be like successful like i feel like erc 404 already proved
that it's the opposite effect and um yeah that's why i was like you know wait i'm sorry you're
saying that 404 just increased the gas fees on ethereum significantly so like 10x like within
the last two three days but that's not a you can't say that that's a unless i'm misunderstanding i
mean that's not a reason it's kind of like the mall example that jack just gave transaction fees
going up is a sign of success generally now it can bloke can happen from things that you may argue
are not success or like aren't worth being on the chain but i would argue that anything that's
generating fees on the chain and increasing so an increase in fees it's it's interesting i know that
in a lot of ways we look at that as a bad thing but no that's actually a good thing because what
it says is that network is healthy and people are using it and we're increasing on bitcoin and doge
the minor security and on ethereum you're increasing the short sort of shareholder value
because every transaction all those transactions that we're complaining about are actually a small
fraction of those which is what i want to bring to doge through eip 1559 on doge chain but a small
fraction of each of those fees is being burnt and that's why ethereum is one of the only deflationary
currencies in the world bitcoin's not deflationary people call it that it's not it's disinflationary
which just means less inflation over time uh doge is also disinflationary meaning less inflation
over time um they're a little bit different and bitcoin is more disinflationary because the
happening doge doesn't have a happening but doge does because the amount of doge being released
becomes a smaller percent of the total pie over time anyways um to me that's a good thing that
we're having more transactions so why is 404 bad because that i don't think is a fair argument for
why it's bad yeah yeah i'm not saying specifically gas fees alone is like that's one of the consequences
of 404 but what's the difference between having a dow own a specific like nft and having fraction
line shares on that compared to erc 404 i don't know what's what you tell i don't know i don't
know i never heard of 404 till today yeah like the point that i'm making is like this this uh
technology exists today with no negative impact on ethereum right like they should have a dow
for every nft though you well if you wanted to like have fraction line shares yes that seems a
little cumbersome it is it is it would be cumbersome i guess like the benefit i guess
would be like if you're selling like a portion of that nft i guess you you want that like
availability i guess i like i i don't get this like uh but isn't that what you're saying 404
doesn't by the way again i don't have a dog in the race i don't even know what it is i've never
heard of it but i'm just curious i mean if if what 404 does is enable fractionalized ownership
i mean let me give you an example of why that could be actually cool i'll give you just off
the top of my head um you could do like let's say you put a deed to a house on the blockchain
well right normally that would need to be one nft um but if you were to use i guess 404 it sounds
like and now you can split that up into infinitely smaller shares are you you know are you saying
maybe with this i could own one percent of a house and i can get act and i can get exposure
to real estate market without actually happening to go buy a house and go through credit checks
and all this crazy stuff just off the top of my head yeah i think that is a silly i guess i
didn't understand it as much now that i'm thinking about it i guess like with the dow you would have
to have the voters like vote to sell it or something but with like uh like this erc 404
i guess it's like can you sell fractionalized shares uh as heck like can you sell like one
fourth of that that erc 404 nft uh he got drugged and he he can't he's requested to come back jack
we get him back up i think yeah i did i did try to accept it looks like he's just redoing
so i heard a different take on the 404 just not so much on the fractional side fractionalized
side thing of things but oh i don't even know if that's what it is i thought that's what you
were saying so maybe i'm misunderstanding what no no i mean like i was on uh i was on uh
uh request for like five minutes there um so i wasn't able to respond to anyone but but yeah i
i don't know who's who's talking is it j5 you were saying something i i just don't know i wasn't
being rude i wasn't being rude i just couldn't respond no worries great no worries was that j5
i i was just chiming in after but that was um og doge i was just going to chime in because he
was talking about the fractional piece um i heard of it a little bit different it is definitely
a combo of erc 721 and erc 20 but it's not it's think of it as like an nft that you can also
it's also a token so it's a little bit different it's an interesting combo it's definitely new
um really really new right but um the i guess the objective at some point down the road and i think
we'll see it as it goes let's say that it does eventually flesh out would be a scenario where
you could list it at a marketplace like say magic eden or open c or it could actually be listed as a
token so like and then the same scenario right you could list you could make your own liquidity
pool and i mean you can inject liquidity is what i'm saying so it's a really cool protocol i think
that it's being bashed too because like it's not misunderstood it's misunderstood but i think it's
definitely something to watch that's all like that's my whole point is i think it's definitely
something to watch because the more i hear about it the more it's like this actually seems like a
really cool tool too so that's pretty interesting yeah i actually posted uh yeah i posted a uh a
thread up above uh cigar actually breaks down and like the idea of what erc 404 is concept and
give some like examples of like kind of how you could use it in his thread um and i'm not an expert
on this you know like to be honest i came to this this uh show is invited but um i'm learning i'm
learning about ordinal still i i totally missed the boat i had a friend that was telling me about
ordinals before anyone knew about it and he was like get on board and i'm like bitcoin nft that
sounds ridiculous like why am i going to spend like you know all this money to mint uh an nft when i
have like nfts on eath or polygon you know etc so i'm i'm uh i'm someone that that's honestly
still learning and trying to even figure out like the dojanals and ordinals thing like the the value
prop um but uh i think that 404 sounds interesting i i think what i'm i'm looking for usually is like
utility and value prop like why why besides the art because art is uh kind of like the core of
in the community of you know a lot of these communities um you know i also want to know
like how can you use the technology so 404 is interesting and i posted that above you guys
want to take a look what what it looks like to me i've been reading while we've been talking and
trying to listen and read at the same time but what it sounds to me like which actually does
seem interesting is that you could take let's let's take um a board ape for example now if i
own a board ape and i want to i either have to sell the whole thing at whatever they're at i
don't know what they're at now but you know peak they were hundreds of thousands so let's say i
have a hundred thousand dollar board ape or whatever uh i want to sell it do can i either
have to sell the whole thing or i can't sell it at all it's it's binary right one zero one or zero
but if you use 404 if it was a 404 i could actually choose to sell a part of it and i can
also put it as a liquidity pool uh on a DEX not on a NFT marketplace but on a DEX and now people
could buy or sell small parts of it and it just it gives it a more it's a more liquid market it's
it's like um let's use a real world example um companies one of the reasons that companies go
public is to to access liquidity to make the company shares liquid now what does that do
okay so when you create a company if you're one owner you're just one owner right you have that
you own the whole company here's your sole proprietor whatever now you have if you have
multiple equity owners say you have five or ten right now you you're divided the shares
but they're not really liquid because it's hard to sell um they're not on a public exchange now
the goal for many you know founders is to go public because when you go public you could sell
you know 0.1 percent of your shares i want to hold most of them but i need some liquidity
i want to i'm building this company i need some money i've been building this company for and
just putting money into it for years well how do i now get some some like of my reward without i
don't want to sell the whole company though i just want to sell a small amount of it and that's what
going public does right and blockchain has done that same thing for a lot of projects in some ways
is like this access to liquidity letting the community market get involved uh you know now
arguably some people would say that could be a security and in some cases it is some cases it
isn't consult your lawyers whatever but um but what this sounds like it's doing is for nfts
what going public or what what you know going you know fractional like bitcoin you could have a
fraction of a bitcoin i mean imagine if you had to transact with one whole bitcoin and that was the
only way you could transact was one whole bitcoin at a time that would suck but if you can make
you know nfts be fractional there's definitely some use cases for that now art you know that
seems just like the surface here are fractionalizing art is cool i mean imagine owning you know hey i
own a little piece of the mona lisa people would probably yeah but that's actually not that as
interesting to me is what maybe this could be used for otherwise which is like you know fractional
ownership of real estate or other like interesting things you know real world assets yeah real
dingo real world assets yeah the only thing with real world assets is that there seems to be
i guess move for regulators to try to make sure that all that type of activity is is is regulated
so i agree with you i think it will be interesting to see how people use uh you know because the
uh cats out of the box you know you can't put 404 back but uh you know and now you see like 404
going to other chains like polygon uh like with this nft earth platform and and so people will
probably take that experimentation off of uh not everyone obviously but some will take off
uh ethereum and go explore on some of these other chains that has um you know more affordable fees
but i i just wonder you know how now that this technology is out will regulators come for it
or or will it you know thrive because again like the the real world asset side of things
like it seems to be uh a big push to try to make sure that that's uh always like regulated in some
way see i mean i think that the regulators they want to come for everything it doesn't matter if
you're you know i i talked about it once before you know in wyoming they changed the food rules
because the these politicians some of the politicians were like wait why is it that a
grandma cannot sell a lemon meringue pie to her neighbor well because the regulations were too
heavy on the food industry and they you know maybe while they're trying to help they one of
the negatives is like you know people can't trade or barter with their neighbors or make a pie for
their neighbor it's like you're breaking the law now are they going to get charged probably hopefully
not but uh that's ridiculous that there's even rules for that that you're breaking the law to
give you know sell lemon meringue pie to your neighbor so anyways regulators like to get involved
on everything it doesn't matter what it is so yeah they'll probably try to get involved here
yeah that's um that's really cool like i like i like the idea right but the idea exists today
like uh with a dow like if you had a token that rep like was another nft for example like let's
say we owned a board api club right and we were like hey i want to fractalize this and get liquidity
to represent this board api club nft if i created a dow today with like a hundred shares and each
share was a token that would be fractionalized and capable of doing these types of transactions
right like um i feel like the the two things that like confused me is like one for erc 404
it didn't go through like the the typical protocols as erc 20 or 721 right and then two is like if
fractalization is like the thing that is the purpose of this this is this already exists today
so the the only thing though og is that um from from my understanding this is just baked in
to it already so when you when you uh mint or whatever the proper terminology for for erc 404s
is um spin it up whatever it's just already baked in so instead of like needing to
uh create an nft collection or in like a one-of-one and then create a dow and then
uh fractionalize the nft going that route this is it's just like a one-stop approach where you just
mint it or spin it up and um it's our it's already has the ability to be uh fractionalized
yeah i like the idea like the fact that um it enables users to be able to like
like exit like there's semi-smaller positions but i also like that you mentioned like regulation
with like real like um in real life assets like more than just i know like nfts are also real
life assets but you know like houses and stuff like that and i'm like i'm so like i'm stuck on
it because i'm wondering like from the legality standpoint that's why a lot of dows are created
to separate them from like being securities or anything like that
what separates this from being a security
that that's what i think that's why i have that question because i think it
it's so new that we don't know you know how like rock-stain regulators come for every technology
but um it's so new we we don't know i but the thing is is for real world assets i mean
a lot of these assets already have uh some type of regulation in place for them you know so like
they're already regulated like gold is a commodity and um stocks which is another thing that people
want to you know bring onto the blockchain those are securities so i think just depending on
whatever you're trying to use the solution for will depend on how it's perceived that's just my
guess dope dope and i'm also um interested in projects that are working with regulators
that have like decentralized like otc type infrastructure in place that will
custody certain real world assets and then put them on the blockchain so that like almost takes
away the it it never fully takes away the risk of it becoming a bad thing in the future we saw that
was like the ripple case um you know like the ripple trying to do everything right by the book
and still you know they there was just something that uh regulators found but because they are
trying to work in some of these projects like there's a um really early project that i'm
looking at called swarm markets that's like do they call it dotc or decentralized over the counter
and they're essentially taking these real world assets and cussing them and then working with
regulators to to make sure it's you know quote unquote kosher and then putting these things
on the blockchain like stocks and things like that so um i i wonder you know are these guys
then going to start utilizing these new technologies to do that and like erc 404
so the other thing like that's a good question or i'm thinking is like with erc 404 it was like
launched by like the pandora team right like they were the first ones to launch it or whatever
right is that like something that's capable today on the doge chain like can somebody just
launch drc 21 with this capability or like it has to be approved embedded by like like
i don't think so i don't think that erc 20 standards are need they're not they're not
eips they're not uh you know upgrades to the protocol an er an erc like making a new you
could make an erc 20 like i think earlier um it does king mentioned uh that uh you know they
don't know if this was done through proper channels but i don't think token standards
need to go through proper channels now there may be like some kind of you know get a consensus on
whether this is safe or not but it's more of a social consensus i think i don't think you
these don't go through like uh you know vitalik and the foundation don't have to and miners don't
have to approve these upgrades they're not like a upgrade to the chain or the interesting thing
here is that so to answer that question like no uh you won't have to go through some kind of
uh you know uh some type of decision making process because doge chain especially especially
once it becomes a polygon zkvm but even even now is still an evm so whatever is going on
on ethereum whatever technology exists there you can just port it on over to any other evm so
essentially if you have an erc 404 type solution help like an easy mint or or whatever like you
could just take that technology from ethereum there might be some some uh development that
you have to do to move it to whatever you know other type of evm you're doing but no there
shouldn't be a you know some type of like consensus or like thing that you have to do just to approve
it to get that technology on doge chain yeah i'm not a dev but i think ass tech's right i think
i think you can just you could take that 404 standard and launch it on doge chain
anybody could i think i think i'm not 100 sure though yeah the only reason i say this is because
i was talking with the nft earth guys and just for some context nft earth is a nft platform
on polygon um bit bit smaller not as known as like you know obviously like a magic eden
but they they are doing a lot of like innovative things that i'm always trying to like find you
know those those gems and like people that are are on the cutting edge so i was talking with them
just yesterday and i seen all these spaces for erc 404 you know blah blah blah and as i started
looking into it and then we were talking about you know that technology all he did is he just
took the technology from ethereum and put it on polygon so i assume you know it'd be the same with
doge chain because it's you know it's an evm nice yeah but um if that like if fractionalization
is like it could be like the solution or something that would be super dope but um like i did look
up how much the inscription size was and you guys can correct me if i'm wrong but it said something
like a limit of 24 kilobytes on doge um inscriptions is that accurate i don't think so because
the game doom was put on doge well it was that is it's like a inscription yes
dope i'm asking bing over here
okay yeah i'm pretty sure you can play doom and load it off of doge the doge blockchain
which is good no and um one of some other uh gentlemen um actually uh inscribed an emulator
which let him actually put in some n64 games so he just he just loaded up his roms and started
playing but the actual emulator was inscribed what the hell that's so cool the blockchain this
guy's at his house playing the games he's playing smash bros and on your dose on your doge some
golden eye yeah i have that still dude if you ever come to my house as tech we should play i have i
have golden i 464 i have the actual oh my god that would be so cool i i didn't grow up with
n64 but my cousins had it and uh so i played you know golden i over there and always loved it so
i'd love i've been thinking about getting an emulator or these new systems that just have
all these program games and just hook it up to my television and playing some of these uh
games i have a little nostalgia for i did it with the new window for my son like there's
these little i don't even know what the proper like technical term for it is but they're like
it looks just like a old nintendo and it has like a hundred or i don't think it's that many
it's maybe like 20 different nintendo games super nintendo games just download it and then you
you can just play them um but uh i'd like to do that with in 64 it's like a hardware it's
it's an emulator but in a hardware form i guess yeah yeah they were doing that with raspberry pi
too right with the the retro pi what what were they doing oh retro pi is like uh like an emulator
that lets you put like all kinds of stuff like literally every system known to man like from
atari to you know like almost like you're i think they're on ps2 now that's cool yeah generally
they're they're always a few uh generations behind um because emulating is super uh i guess
it used to be i don't know i'm assuming it's still the same way that's why they don't have
it for like a ps4 or five or but it's it's super computationally intensive like whatever it would
take to run the original like on an emulator oftentimes it's like 10 times you know or whatever
it's it's very inefficient um but it's kind of funny this is this just goes to show all the
people that complain about like oh we'll never be able to do that um people used to say that
they'll never have a playstation one emulator which was kind of funny to me because i was like
okay obviously like you're not looking very far in the future too technology will develop and
morse law you know and transistors are getting smaller you know doubling every one and a half
years like come on like what do you people who make these declarations like no that'll never
happen it's like so silly you're just like do you not see how technology develops
i'll be able to run a ps5 on my on my cell phone someday like not now but in 10 years right
on on your uh what do they call that google or not google um apple vision pros
yeah eventually you'll have like you know the most powerful computer of today you'll be wearing
on your head in 20 30 years right yeah or it's uh or implanted in your brain yep
neural link hey what's up with that by the way we're getting off topic here but do you guys see
that uh first neural link elon's neural link uh the first implant in a human and it seems to be
going well so far very nice they're gonna implant the dogecoin miners into the human brain we're
we should find a way to uh to add drops and your link recipients
every time you bark you know those those those tools said thumbs down yeah i don't
trust it either real about it though like you know bill gates says he wants to chip us and
everybody freaks out elon musk says it and everybody's like oh yeah that's true that's
so i'm about to dip out but i love you guys so much for keeping the doge uh family together man
everybody remember no matter our opinions we all the same do only good every day the doge nation
this is what it was all about from the get-go man so you know spread the love show some support to
one another and man keep on keeping on i love y'all and as tech man i followed you you seem like very
knowledgeable very very smart so i followed you rock i followed you i'm gonna sit in the listener
and follow a bunch of people before i leave so i love y'all take it easy much love bro probably
the cute one no no i don't know about that man i i feel like uh you have all the all the goodies
Cindy's giving me a look bro because that's what i normally say
about her she's the smart one and i'm the cute one she's giving me a look
good time here cindy say hi i always talk about you on the spaces say hi
hey guys he's real he's real he makes fun of me because like when i uh i don't have as much time
now but when i used to play video games like i'd be on league and i'd be you know telling my lead
friend something and like oh hold on my my girlfriend's talking to me and uh they'd be
like shut up man you don't have a girlfriend if anybody in video game culture that's like uh
a running joke he's like man get out of here there's no girl there pog you like that yeah pog
proof of girlfriend uh i thought it wait what i thought that that was play of the game
uh yeah we should make a mistake no no we're just playing around like on uh why that's right
yeah it's funny my my wife uh actually i well i i think yeah i posted yesterday on my
timeline so this post was there but i'm i'm writing this post and it's uh i can't even remember what
is it about but something about all my friends my friends and other ecosystems that don't believe in
polygon etc etc you know and she comes in and she's like you have friends uh wait and i know
your wife exists because she fell off of uh my job was died with you i i can't i can't trust her
around you rock like she almost died last time we oh bro bro that was it wasn't even your fault
i was still on the shore getting one of the other jet skis and then she was i think with
my friend johnny and you got they were going and trying to get on the boat with that my dad was
driving the boat and uh they like got off and then they they were they they were trying to get
off and they they weren't used to they flipped then they got scared and tried to pull on the jet
ski and it flipped upside down they pulled because they were panicking they pulled the
just upside down she's panicking my friend's trying to help her everyone's trying to help
her i'm on the shore and i see what's happening and so i run without my oh you were still on
the shore too yeah and i don't know how to even drive it i didn't even know how to drive a jet ski
so i couldn't do anything because she's swelling in the middle of the lake and she has a full-on
sun grass and and uh and her iphone in one hand holding it up and she's doggy paddling with one
hand and kicking with her feet and i'm just sitting there like oh dude like because she was like
my wife is going to die i'm like i just went to go meet my crypto friends you know i tried to do
something irl touch grass all that and uh yeah i die touch water yeah dude i saw her i saw it
happening and i wasn't as worried about them because i'm like okay i you know i'm assuming
she knows how to swim i don't know but then uh yeah it was but she's in clothes too but so i see
the jet ski upside down i'm and i don't see nobody's doing anything about it and i'm like
holy shit and she's in the water so i run and jump onto one of my jet skis without uh my best
superhero like like like like a dude jumping up on a on a horse like a cowboy like you know
in a movie or something i jump onto the jet ski and just instantly you know gun it and go over and
and i i dive off of the jet ski no joke i dive off of the jet ski as it's going i'm probably
going 30 or 40 miles an hour at this point and i dive off of it and just let it keep going and it
goes into the it just keeps going into lake there's there's like boats and stuff i'm hoping
you know if nothing bad happened but i jumped off to try to help her then you know we get her up on
the boat then i'm trying to flip the jet ski but it's taking on so much water it's so heavy we're
like we can't flip it finally we get a few of us guys and we flip it and we tow it back to shore
we drain it and uh yeah it was a it was a crazy story the jet ski we got it where i couldn't
believe we got it like we got the motor out of the engine we opened up the plugs on the engine
blew all the water out over the next like 20 minutes we got it running again i couldn't
believe it with no with whatever tools we just had right there nothing you know it was that was
anyway it's a crazy day this is this is why guys stay in the metaverse just don't dummy
um stay where it's safe never go irl as tech after that as tech never wanted to come meet me
in person again this is why i'm pelle and i'm sitting in my office every day i'm joking i'm
joking hey one last irl thing i want to give a shout out to cindy actually her and her team uh
her her boss deborah zane super famous and casting uh did american beauty they just did
hunger games that came out if you guys saw that they did cocaine bear that came out if you guys
saw that um they just finished tron three that'll be coming out soon a bunch of other cool stuff
but shout out to her for they just accomplished something huge i hope i'm saying it right cindy
so correct me the the oscars uh never had an award for casting so cindy and her office there
in casting her boss deborah zane is casting directors and he's casting casting associate and
so uh they never had a casting award which is crazy to me because movies it's so important that
in a movie who's going to be the actor and actresses right like imagine pulp fiction
if they cast different people than you know uh uma thurman and uh uh you know um bruce willis
and john tribolta and samuel l jackson if you didn't have them in that movie it would have been
a totally different movie so casting needs to get some respect so i'm trying to put put some
respect on their names but yeah they just finally her boss was on the academy um the the board for
the academy awards and just they finally did it in 2025 casting will be one of the awards for
uh the oscars now so really cool oh wow but that's totally true they're like unsung heroes and
in hollywood right because they're the ones that are putting them in front of the screen
well congratulations cindy like that's a huge opportunity for you and i hope you
absolutely take that award next year yeah i hope they do too she's trying to say don't give her
credit it's you know it's her it's her boss because her boss deborah zane is super famous
and he's been actually fighting for this for like how long a decade or something has been trying to
make this happen yeah so at least years but uh yeah pretty cool to see it finally happened
yeah i try to give casting people respect i didn't i didn't realize how important it was
until you know i met cindy and started thinking about it like wow how do they not get credit when
they're the ones that are deciding who's going to play the these roles which completely changed the
movie right anyways okay enough of that back to back to doge little little sidebars we do that
sometimes good times i wanted to ask i forgot to ask um doge king guy uh we got sidetracked i wanted
to ask him so who was he do we know what's his role because he he's understand some of this tech stuff
seems like a smart guy we should have him on more often maybe j5 knows no no that was my first time
meeting him too he just he followed me as well but yeah he definitely got those brain scratches
coming up with the erc 404 he definitely knows the back end too so for some of it you know we
got to have more of these conversations guys and j5 you've got some great knowledge today aztec of
course jack is always peaches uh princess peach uh with with some knowledge too we uh i really
was trying to get these like foundation and devs and i was really i invited a lot of the haters a
lot of people who are hating on dojos i'm like okay cool if you that's your opinion come say it
publicly and let's talk about it and in a friendly way and we don't have to fight you
know but let's find ways to solve this together i do like um you know i'm not going to name the
people who i think are being a little bit shitty about it but i will name someone who i think is
being pretty cool um at least open and reasonable even if he disagrees which is timothy stepping
the guy who this tweet came from so you know he's approaching it and he's part of the foundation and
i think it's good to see good leadership there as someone where he's not saying hey this is like
trash spam f you guys he's saying look this is causing issues how do we find a solution you know
i think that's the approach we need to have whichever side you take we have to be you know
cordial with each other and we have to be open with each other and we have to have discussions
and that's really important and i was hoping he was going to come on today he uh he actually said
he would try to make it but that the show was at 6am for him uh and so he was like uh i don't know
if i'll be able to make it but if i'm able to get up um so unfortunately it looks like he wasn't
able to make it or maybe he tried and the link is different now because we got rugged unfortunately
and the link i sent him is the old link so i hope maybe uh anyways we're gonna call it here anyways
but we'll try to get him on next uh next week uh try to get some of the other either maxis or
foundation people or just in general people who agree or disagree with this because it is a bit
of a little civil war happening and we do find solutions i have some questions but i'll save it
for for next week because we're ending it and it'll go along well with uh kind of like what
probably what they'll bring up but i i think uh if i could say one last thing before we're
closing up um you know there's there's always like uh dr rubini or uh some guy that thinks
you know the technology is rat poison squared etc etc and and it's uh hats off to everyone here
that understands that um for the most part whether you disagree on on on little things
here and there i'm sure we all like have our preferences on certain technologies but at the
end of the day i think most of us kind of understand it's about um trying to progress move forward
iterate and um you know build build new solutions so we can further progress so uh exciting to
be here with all of you guys chop it up and i yeah i'd like to come next week too if all
these haters are going to jump in i'd like to uh kind of get get their take as well
yeah awesome to have you as tech always always great when you when you come by uh you're you're
definitely uh a wealth of knowledge on many topics especially polygon you're like the go-to guy for
polygon uh knowledge i'd say um i think you know more than even a lot of polygon team members um
i mean the fact is like you've been working on polygon stuff since before most people at
polygon were with polygon uh i know when we were working on uh polygon you know when lunar digital
assets first started as uh polygons or maddox marketing team before they even had an alpha main
net or even a test net um that there were 17 members on maddox and we had nine including
aztec and myself and then uh uh so we kind of doubled the team by being the marketing arm
and then over the the the years they grew to our team grew to like you know between 30 40 members
and they grew to uh four to 500 members now so they've grown really fast and uh but now there's
only one person actually at maddox that was there in the beginning with us and that's send deep uh
you know two of the co-founders are no longer there all the people that were there at that time
are all gone uh it's kind of crazy we're still here and a lot most of the the team has changed
out or turned or you know they got new people great new people great talent but you know as a
as a project or company build uh there can be a lot of churn over time you see that in a lot of
as companies grow so anyways um yeah hey rock can i have just actually a quick question before we
end the space too i just i really want to know when are you guys what do you think the eta is on the
bridge yes um i do which which bridge the dojano bridge i do not know um i don't want to say
because we keep thinking we're gonna have it ready sooner than later and then it's not uh
i'm hoping i don't want to give times because i i'm gonna be wrong and then people are gonna get
mad at me but we're really hoping in the next couple weeks but it's not it's not sure it could
be two weeks it could be four weeks to be honest i don't want to i don't want to get people's hopes
up too much hey that's fine as long as like you gave us a rough estimate right like just really
excited about it so i wanted to ask before the space has ended appreciate that yeah i wish i i
could i could say um part of the reason is that uh a bunch of our devs uh the country they're in
uh they were on holidays so they weren't able to give us a full update this week uh when we had
our normal meeting um but they'll be back in the next days and we'll we'll know more but uh there
was a holiday um so unfortunately we we don't have as good of an update i know that some of them are
still working on it through the holiday but uh the the like our the liaisons which explain
the dev stuff to us non-devs they uh i know that they weren't available so and then also ivan uh
if you guys notice ivan's not here today ivan was also on vacation this week with his family
uh i think up in the mountain skiing so uh he also like works with the dev team a lot on on
that stuff so uh not having him and then not having some of the devs it's just been a little
bit hard to get uh good communication this week but uh we'll have an update soon hopefully awesome
and on the topic of bridges how about the token bridge uh that is supposed to be ready like any
time i think it's already they've been testing it so it's already built and everything but
it's been in testing um jack do you know what's what the update is on that
no not firm time no but i know that it's very close i mean that should see this is why i don't
like to give timelines because the devs said that would be already ready by now
so uh you know this is pretty typical of devs they always are optimistic and they're always like
you know overly confident in what they can do but then things always take longer and especially
when you start including like you know a testing that's a really important part right we don't want
to you know do stuff that could put people at risk so uh this is actually uh it's it's being
partially developed by an external team and partially developed uh in-house like or or
we're contributing to it and guiding them on what we're looking for um but it's it's uh an external
team uh called polyhedra um so um yeah we need to make sure we do extensive testing and this will
not be an official uh bridge by the way to be clear this will be a third-party bridge and
you know everyone's you know do your own research and you're at your own risk and we'll put out a
ton of documentation for people to make that judgment for themselves but this is the third-party
bridge and we're doing this even though we don't want to use third-party bridges um and with when
we transition to polygon ckvm we won't need them anymore because we'll have trustless true roll-up
bridges um but for now for the legacy chain uh that this is the option for now but eventually
we want to get away from any third-party bridges cool guys the good space i'm sad we weren't able
to get any of the haters really um we did have a little fun debate about 404s some heated debate
there not really heated um we had a nice little debate but i really do want to get these uh
these these haters it's kind of you know if any of you haters are listening i mean if you're
going to talk trash on ordinals and say that they're spam well then defend your position
publicly i mean be men about it and step up and come talk to us um i don't think that
doshinals are spam i think that they're paying the block feed just like anyone else and it's
not up to in us me you haters lovers anyone to decide what's you know what what is okay
or not to put on the blockchain i really loved jack's analogy of the malls i mean you can use
that now like what if what if on city roads which have lots of traffic we said oh well there's you
know now people there's too many people going on vacation and vacation is not an it's not commerce
so we need to just ban people from that are vacationing from using roads because they're
just creating too much traffic on the roads like i'm sure the w e f will ensure that that comes
in the next few years anyway rocks well i think they're already doing it in um aren't you doing
it in your country bro or where are they doing that elaws thing i get all these videos online
of people trying to break these cameras they're like is this yeah yeah that's in london in the
uk yeah i'm not seeing the uk anymore i'm in a small island near it but yeah um yeah there's
this 50 minutes news thing and these like ultra low emissions cameras which basically they charge
you a certain amount per day to drive especially if you have an older vehicle obviously the problem
with that is like lower income people tend to drive older vehicles and they're also people that
can't afford to charge but they still need to get around right so it's been seen as very unfair
yeah there's people like i i i'm following this um youtube i think it's called like blade blade
runners or blade hunters or something they're like uh there it's like just showing clips of all kinds
of people that they put masks on and they go either break these cameras or cut them down
or they they take a stick and they put stickers over the cameras because uh their their argument
is that these are like you know i don't know how the uk's constitution works but like i think it's
that you know these are unlawful or unconstitutional and that you should not have cameras on all these
roads just looking at you know surveilling everyone um yeah just to clarify that's not
an official position of those things you should break these cameras please don't come after me
you can go but uh but yeah i mean a lot of people don't like them that's for sure well and i guess
part of it is that they're trying to by charging to go on the roads they're trying to lower the
traffic on the roads that's i think part of the intent behind it it seems like um so that anyway
this is a very this is a very extended metaphor for uh for doujanels uh censorship right but
yeah i get your point another way of looking at it is like you know some people drive really fast
some people drive really slow but nobody wants to eliminate all the slower drivers from the road
right that's not a serious proposition but that's the way or ban big trucks or whatever like that's
the point is like why are we mad that douj is finally being used like it's the thing we should
be fighting for for it to be used to conclude the space in my opinion douj is not sick it's
the healthiest that it's ever been i love that man i i totally agree i i so so so agree i think
douj chain was such an important improvement for douj originally and i think ordinals are another
great creative and innovative improvement for douj now there will be problems that come with
that every time a network gets used it's gonna you're it's gonna go through growing pain but
now we have to solve these growing pains how do we do it some people are arguing for bigger blocks
some people are arguing for lower block times i disagree with those methods um but that's what
some people want to do elon actually suggested that um some people are saying side chains drive
chains federated chains l2s that's what we're suggesting is douj chain is an l2 um or side chain
slash l2 depending how you look at it um but uh yeah okay guys um we'll we'll talk more about
this uh probably next week as well thanks for coming awesome thanks for coming everybody great
to have you as always in our sec thanks for being our special guests today yeah thank you for the
invite brother and um yeah happy uh lunar new year to anyone celebrating and uh happy weekend
in general thank you for the inviting me here yeah thanks for coming also j5 uh those shows
oh penny bags requested did we do we not see that we'll bring them up real quick before we
hop off and i'm going to do some shout outs to the community also thanks to douj king guy whoever
that was um uh yeah i'll uh i guess like you won't you might not hear this so i'll reach out to him
and i want to i want to learn more about uh what he does in his history with any bugs is now a
speaker by the way hey penny
oh hey guys sorry yeah i i was kind of raising my hand uh when you guys were talking about the
emulation stuff because uh i thought that was super interesting and cool and i just had a couple
ideas of my own but i know you guys want to head out um so i may as well just take this opportunity
to remind everybody that uh real douj punks is giving away um some rdp's as well as uh real
shiba punks on the shivarium network um and we're giving this uh we're giving these nft's away uh
for valentine so if you want to partake in the contest it's super easy um all you have to do is
just like share and mention somebody uh that you like or or just um drop a comment that you appreciate
them um and uh yeah all the details can be found out on my profile or on the real labs underscore
one uh profile um so you can go check that out um and cop yourself a really cool nft in the process
and celebrate valentine's whether you're single or or or you are in a relationship it doesn't
really matter right we just want to show share the love um and that's what uh dogecoin's all about
and so is doge chain so just wanted to drop that out for everybody
awesome cool well we'll help spread that i'm sure uh cool cheers all right guys uh let's do some
quick community shout outs and then we'll we'll call it um shout outs to we've got in the audience
defy attic cohen lorenz black seed sheebs dc geyser dc ambassador b richie guru west brom
queen uh of doge chain uh extraterrestrial baby yoda with the purple hearts uh dogecoin mw
lorenz is giving purple hearts richie guru with the hundred and purple hearts uh we've got hercules
toc dsh leo gonzalez crypto forum elisa uh let's read uh some comments we should prioritize
comments by the way because uh they help the spaces algorithm and they get the conversation
going and it's a good place for people to get involved um baby uh uh let's see j5 posted
repost oh that's that's cool appreciate that asking everyone to retweet oh my god is this supposed
to be me baby yoda no way that's pretty good man he put a picture of me in a i think that's me
in a cape with a wizard hat like my pfp and a purple superman thong i don't know if that's
for polygon and uh i'm jumping off a jet ski and uh it looks like that's aztecs wife falling off
the jet ski and a doge jumping through the water in the background and uh some people in the
background trying to help or something that is really cool man i'm saving that that's really cool
thanks you should make it as a one-of-one yeah maybe i should put that as an inscription
that'd be that'd be awesome to take uh like highlights of this show and have someone uh
paint a picture of it and create a doge in a little bit for each show
okay oh that would be actually really cool that's a cool idea next one let's not let's
putting a chip up rax but i would happily take a chip from elon in my no i'm just kidding
uh no i won't i'm gonna say rock would you be tempted uh if elon came to me personally
and asked me to put a chip in my butt i would i would consider it would if i'm being off and
it would make you like limitless you know oh like the movie oh yeah i'm yeah yeah yeah all
of a sudden my pupils would dilate and i would get like super smart and fast or something
oh i forget how that movie went but um i mean i uh no i don't i don't i'm totally excited about
uh neural length but i will not be the first to do it i won't be the first i won't be the
hundredth i won't be the thousandth i i won't do this until like 20 years of of testing and
like we need to know the privacy ramifications and can it be deactivated and can government spy on
me through it i think you probably want to be like you don't want to be in the in the innovate
you know if you think about the adoption curve right the first part is like the early innovators
you don't want to be there but you want to be in the very next bit so you want to have the benefits
of being early but without all the headaches that goes with it right so yeah because it'll become
a thing where like it's just like other things we do um like you use a cell phone these cell phones
invade your privacy in all kinds of ways you use all these applications that invade your privacy in
all kinds of ways use facebook privacy invasion tick tock etc and it's a trade-off you're like
okay is it worth the benefits i get from these things it's having a cell phone like i could go
off the grid and not have a cell phone but you know i i decide that it sucks it invades my privacy
i try to find ways to mitigate that but i'm going to choose to use a cell phone which is kind of
like did you see that Elon did you see that Elon wants to ditch his cell phone in three months in
favor of using sweater for all communication yeah i saw that it's kind of interesting does
twitter even work like that i don't even like people make calls on twitter i don't even know
if i knew that but now that's coming right he's so he's really trying to make it he's trying to
he's really yeah i think it'll be kind of like i think i think it just yeah so it comes up as well
yeah on it to everything chat or something in his uh videos he calls it the everything app
yeah these apps in uh in china in particular have been around for quite a while and it's really
amazing uh that everybody kind of gravitates towards them and it's a full out ecosystem with
ecosystems within that ecosystem and it's just it's amazing um you can get anything delivered
straight to your location or door all through the app
so i have one more question for you guys about the chip in the brain or the butt um so you've got
the overlord of x right who's got the everything app and he's gonna put a chip in your brain and
you're worried about your cell phones privacy very true i have to be you're making us all feel
real stupid right now i i have to be honest i i don't think i'm gonna take that uh chip like
i kind of imagine myself like the so sometimes in like various fantasies or like story lines or
futuristic story lines there's like these really uh powerful like technocrat you know type uh
characters and then there's usually like the more it might be like seemingly primitive um more
spiritual like uh or magical like uh characters i i think i'll be on the magical side of things
kind of clinging to like life and uh what it the the version of life that is uh
that has always been known and um but utilizing technology you know to like strengthen but not
full-on like turning into cyborg like i don't think that's that's not like there's what does
there's a there's a movie or no it's a show where like they actually have like these stacks
that like plug into the back of their neck and it lets them live forever like all that cyborg
stuff as much as like i love it and i'm a huge like anime manga like i i love this kind of stuff
but only in theory not like i don't actually want to live forever i'm so down man i'm my it's my
i mean it's like one of my ultimate goals to live like and not foreverness is that you there's no
way you can live forever but you can live really long i'd like to live a thousand years for sure
i actually think i think there's at least a 60 chance that uh many of us on this call will live to