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Jackal Town Hall
Recorded: June 12, 2024 Duration: 0:43:30Space Recording
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All right, we're going to get going in a few seconds here.
Just give us some time to get Marcin up here, Mr. Coney Daddy up here, Jaden's up here.
Let's get Marcin up here as well.
Joseph, people, come up.
Feel free to, dude.
But in the meantime, in the meantime, how are things going, Mr. Jaden?
How's your day?
Day's good.
We're busy.
I'm trying to speak to you guys and send a calendar invite at the same time.
We'll see how I do.
Yeah, hopefully that goes well.
Good luck, dude.
Good luck, dude.
No worries.
Yeah.
Nice choice.
Walking and chewing gum at the same time has stumped me my entire life, so I don't know.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.
I wouldn't be surprised.
It takes a lot of coordination, you know?
Marcin?
Marcin, how was your day today?
No, it's been all right.
How are you?
You know, it's just the usual.
It's the usual.
We have a Canadian team in the Stanley Cup.
It's pretty big.
We're down two, so the U.S. might run away with the Stanley Cup again, but it kind of is what it is.
It is what it is.
Like, I'd probably be more excited if, like, the Ottawa Senators were in the finals, but...
90% of the Panthers are from Canada, brother.
Of course.
Well, 90% of all the NHL players are from Canada.
I don't know if you caught it, but in game one of that series, they were playing in Florida,
and the Florida goalie, he's a Russian.
His name is Sergei Bobrovsky, and he's playing lights out.
And at one point, there was a USA chant in the Florida arena for their American team
that's full of Canadians, and more particularly, their Russian goaltender.
Yeah.
I thought it was just a mishmash of nationalities.
I know.
The Americans listening right now are just like, you guys are down bad.
You guys are down bad.
Probably feel bad for us.
Ian, Mr. Coney Daddy, how are you?
Oh, hello.
Oh, I'm doing so good.
You know, it's another great day to be working on the Jackal Protocol and diving into the world
of decentralized storage, so it's actually been a super awesome day.
Yeah, it's never a dull moment.
It's never a dull moment in Jackal Labs, that's for sure.
Okay, we should probably kick it off here.
Let's kind of start with, Jano, I'll let you start high level of, like, everything that's
going on in your world right now, and kind of what we're building and focusing on, on that
side, so let's start there.
I would say the most exciting thing, we can kind of go in order of priority from most
exciting to still exciting, but not most exciting.
The first thing is the next iteration of the outpost.
So we've had some conversations with a couple of different L1s, but I think what would be
cool is to at least get our community's brain going on possible destinations for the next
iteration of the outpost.
We're thinking general purpose L1s locally, as in the Cosmos ecosystem, but it doesn't
have to be exclusive to that.
Just a couple of examples would be Sega, Secret, Neutron, Injective, just to kind of get the
thoughts going.
But if anyone has any feedback, I know we have a question period at the end of the call, or
just message me directly, but some input from you guys would be most welcome.
Yeah, for sure.
Because where we are right now is we're about to launch our first Jackal outpost on another
blockchain.
And for people who don't know what that is, it essentially gives all of Jackal's functionality
to that blockchain.
It's kind of like plugging in a huge storage drive to a blockchain.
Because at the end of the day, blockchains are good at a lot of stuff, but they suck a
lot at storage.
And so it's really hard to build web scale applications.
So delivering that functionality cross-chain on IDC is really important for us.
So we're excited for the first Archway one, but now it's kind of, we got to take a look.
Take a look at what's next, where we're going next.
And if anyone has any ideas, if they want to come to the Discord or come to the Telegram
and vote on where we should go next, or try to connect us with those teams, that would
be awesome as well.
Mr. Marston.
So for these outposts to work, we need to do a little bit of a chain upgrade.
So I'd love you to take the opportunity to kind of talk about V4 and where we are with
that and all that stuff.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So for all of the outposts, I mean, a lot of it is kind of done and in a really good spot.
The big thing that we're kind of doing right now is just trying to get the timing right.
So, you know, on one hand, we have Jackal V3, which is what's running right now.
And then we have Jackal V4, which, you know, we'll talk about a little bit in a sec.
But they're, you know, although both Jackal, unfortunately, under everything, they're pretty
different, you know.
And because of how many differences lie between them, when we were working on all of our outpost
stuff, we could either write the outpost for Jackal V3 and, you know, deploy it as is and
have to rewrite pretty much all of it when V4 came out.
Or we just start with V4 and launch it when V4 goes live.
And so that's what we decided to do because we don't want to rewrite all of our code twice
because that would suck.
So with that being said, we have a testnet running right now, which is running alongside
the mainnet and our other testnet dedicated to just V4.
And the outpost is currently live on that V4 testnet, which is really, really cool.
And it works really great.
You can, you know, do all that good stuff.
We posted a demo about it from Archway not too, too long ago.
And so that being said, the second V4 goes live, we're going to get those, that outpost
going right at the same time, which is really, really exciting.
It's just mostly like UX, the front end, you know, we're working on that right now.
Trying to make those outposts feel as good as possible.
But once that is kind of all sorted, we're going to just have it go live with V4, which
is really, really exciting.
Yeah, that's kind of it for the outposts right now.
I mean, we're going to hopefully get you guys being able to play with them a little bit
on the testnet before they go live, which would be really, really fun.
But until then, the mainnet version of them, as I say, won't go live until V4 is up and
on the chain.
Do you have any alpha for the fellows?
Like when is V4 going to go live?
Or is it too scary?
Is it too scary to kind of give that announcement of when?
Yeah, I think it'd be like an exact, exact date.
But we should have the proposal to launch the first phase of rolling out V4 very, very soon,
which is really exciting.
You know, I say it every time, but V4 right now, it's in a really good spot.
A lot of it is just testing it and making sure it's good and all of the migration goes
smoothly, mostly for the storage providers.
The chain itself, we could upgrade tomorrow.
It'd be good to go.
But just trying to make sure that all of the storage providers have an easy time upgrading
at the same time.
That's where the real complicated chain management stuff comes in.
And so pretty much the whole team right now is just dedicated to running those tests.
And the second we see it conclusively come back with no issues under all of our edge tests
multiple times to ensure it's not a fluke, that's when it's going to go live, which those
little edge cases are shrinking by the day, which is really exciting.
Super cool.
So if anyone hasn't really noticed, we kind of have a different look.
We have a different look and we have a new hire.
And it's kind of over the last, like, I want to say two years, we've been really focused
on engineering and development.
But it comes a time where it's time for us to kind of spread our wings and fly when it
comes to things like marketing.
When it comes to things like video content and distribution and having better channels
for that.
So we went out and we found the best person for the job.
And lucky for us, he was also willing to work with us more than we were willing to work
with them.
And we love the guy.
His name is Coney Daddy.
And Ian, do you want to talk about all the stuff that kind of comes to mind when it came
to, like, the rebrand and, like, that process and making, like, the first videos for Jackal?
Sure.
Yeah.
I would love to.
Well, a little bit about my background.
I don't know if you guys know me.
I've always made some whimsical, fun videos in the Cosmos realm.
And Patrick hit me up, like, he actually claims that we met earlier at a conference and that
I talked to him for 30 seconds.
And I forget that moment, if I'm completely honest.
But I ended up making a video, the history of storage we made, like, in last September
or so, which was super fun.
And I just had a great time working with Patrick and Marston.
I'm also just a huge, like, DDPin fan and kind of, like, came to the Cosmos studying Akash.
I also do a lot of, like, you know, video work.
And I deal with massive files and use all sorts of cloud storage.
And I'm very opinionated on them, at least, you know, from, like, a video-making kind of
perspective.
And then Patrick, I think, just hit me up to make, like, another video.
And then it just kind of snowballed out of control.
And now I'm here.
And now I'm wearing so many hats.
And me and Patrick pretty much just sit on Zoom calls and just grind through most anything
and everything.
But one of the first things that we wanted to do is we wanted to just, like, breathe some
new life into the brand and make something that truly was, like, different from anything
else out there.
So the first thing that we did was just a lot of market research.
And I have, you know, Figma files and decks full of screenshots of just, like, other competitor
sites.
And we actually looked a lot, too, into, like, a lot of Jackal's, like, Web2 competitors.
Because we wanted a brand that was fun.
But we also wanted a brand that still felt, like, trustworthy and felt like you could dump
a lot of data onto it.
So there's kind of this, like, you know, there's a line that we really have to walk.
And every other, like, Google Cloud and, like, Wasabi and Rubrics and, like, all these other
things, just, like, no one really had any funk or flair.
Everybody's just weird corporate and buttoned up.
And, like, every website is blue because blue is, like, you know, it's, like, the official
banking color.
And it's supposed to feel secure.
We're, we are secure, but we're also Jackal and we're, you know, a decentralized ecosystem.
Things are, like, a little bit dirtier.
We can be, like, a little bit more fun.
So we wanted to just take the brand in just a completely different direction that would
stand out amongst all these other storage providers.
So we dove in.
We started hacking away at it.
And I'm really delighted with what we've come up with.
We also have our new logo, our new Jackal logo, which, making a Jackal logo, very hard.
A lot of times the logo starts looking like a cat.
It starts looking like a fox.
Our old logo just felt very reminiscent of a few other logos that we had seen in the space.
We just, you know, wanted to shake things up.
So our new logo, we're affectionately referring to her as Jackie, just internally.
If you guys have ever worked on any, like, bigger kind of advertising things, Apple, they
always refer to their logo as the fruit.
So you always know if you're, like, talking about the word mark or about the logo mark.
But, yeah, Jackie is here.
And she's super fun.
And I'm hoping the community can have a lot of fun, like, neeming her and putting her in
fun situations.
Definitely kind of inspired by, like, a Saul Bass kind of vibe.
If any of you guys have been on the site as well, we hired a really cool cell animator
to do kind of, like, a hand-drawn run cycle for Jackie.
But, yeah, we've just been diving in and just really focusing on kind of just telling that
Jackal story and, like, really distilling down what the product is.
So please check out the Light Paper video.
Check out the website.
Feel free to DM me if you hate it and you want everything changed.
You know, I'm open to any and all feedback.
But it's been a super awesome journey and I'm excited to just keep pushing the ball forward
and making some more fun stuff and getting us out there a little bit, shaking things up.
I know.
It's time.
And we're super excited to have you on staff.
It's kind of been a big moment.
Like, we had, like, this kind of gaping hole in our, like, business, right?
Like, we're really engineering heavy.
Like, I honestly truly believe we have, like, top 10 engineering in all of crypto.
We have awesome growth, awesome sales.
But, like, marketing, like, we were so weak.
And I honestly think, like, that pain and that failure is probably the best thing that's ever happened to us
because it kind of pushed us to make an awesome, awesome decision of bringing you on board.
But, yeah, it's been so fun to be here so far.
And also, for everybody that's, like, listening as well, I feel like I've met so many, like, crypto folks and, like, all this other stuff.
And, like, the Jackal Labs team, like, really stands behind the product that they make.
Like, the ethos behind the product, like, they, like, live by.
Anyway, so it's just, like, a really, like, honest, like, hardworking, like, down-to-earth team.
And I'm really glad to be a part of it.
Thanks for having me aboard.
Happy to be here.
Right on.
We had one question in the comments that was about kind of, like, current and planned outposts.
Jayden touched on that a little bit earlier.
But where we are right now in the outpost is we're building our first one, and we're deploying it on Archway.
Where is it going to go next?
It's still up in the air, right?
It's, we want to be on every general purpose L1 so that kind of all these L1 blockchains, like, they're not good at storage.
They're good at a lot of stuff, but storage is, like, not it.
And to build web-scale applications, you need storage.
So our distribution plan is going cross-chain via IBC so we can deliver the functionality to Jackal locally.
So we're starting with Archway.
By the end of, at the end of this, like, we're looking to be on every general purpose L1.
So in the Cosmos ecosystem, we'll probably stay for a little bit longer and then branch over to EBM via Union, likely,
and then branch over to Avalanche via Landslide as the bridging solution for the packets.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to come up.
It's kind of open question, open question time.
And so you've heard us banter back and forth amongst ourselves for about 15 minutes now.
But outside of that, what else is kind of interesting that's happening right now?
Jaden, do you have anything?
Marston, do you have anything?
We lost Marston.
You got one.
Womp womp.
Okay, if you have any questions, feel free to come up.
Ask away.
But in the meantime, oh, Marston's coming back here.
In the meantime, let's kind of talk about kind of where we are kind of positioning-wise and, like, our distribution strategy, right?
So, obviously, Archway, we're looking to Neutron, we're looking to Saga, but kind of going EVM is interesting as well.
So, what I would really like to have, hopefully, fingers crossed by the end of the year, to have, like, a Jackal Outpost on, like, a base or an Arbitrum as well.
Saddle went a little bit longer over there, but that's not really on us.
But kind of giving them the functionality so that all of Web3 can build web-scale applications is really where our head's at right now.
So, we have one request of someone looking to come up.
Coming up now, Trendy, you are now on the panel.
What's up?
Hey, really quickly, I just wanted to come up here and say I'm digging the new logo, digging the new rebrand, digging the Coney Daddy,
hiring, vibe, meanery, video editing, whatever you want to throw at him.
I've been watching his career, I'm sure, as a lot of people have, our quote-unquote career, like a lot of the Web3 work that he's been doing since, I don't know, like, 22, 21.
And, I don't know, every time he puts something out, it just puts a smile on my face, makes me laugh.
He's a very creative mind.
So, it's very exciting to see what he's going to do with Joel's brand.
So, I just wanted to come up.
Thanks so much for the kind words, Trendy.
I need to record this to post on my LinkedIn, you know?
Has anyone been on LinkedIn recently?
It's like, I go there, and it's just like, it's all like, it's kind of like Facebook now, where everything's like kind of AI generated, and you're just like, are these people real?
But, not a big fan of LinkedIn, but, yeah, it's, that platform is in a rough spot, it seems like, at the end of the day.
But, you got to maintain it.
You got to maintain it.
You got to clip that, throw it up, have everything.
But, yeah, Ian's been the best.
I'm really excited for what's next.
And, the video, we were even chatting this morning about, like, kind of different, like, short-form video ideas, and I think it's going to do wonders.
I'm excited.
And, if anyone here has any fun ideas, feel free to send them over to me, and, you know, maybe I'll take a look at them and entertain them, and maybe I'll just ignore you, because I think it's a terrible idea.
But, I'm open to both.
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah, look, please, please, any of all feedback is always great.
But, honestly, it's, kind of, to put in Jaden's terms, it's, like, I feel like we just acquired, like, an Austin Matthews-style talent to kind of shore up the marketing side of the business.
Right, Jada?
Couldn't agree more.
First-round draft pick in its definitive term.
Eric, what's up, dude?
Hey, guys.
Just echoing what Trendy said.
Congrats on the new logo on Kony Daddy.
That's such a great get.
Love his videos.
Love everything he comes out with.
I could tell with the light paper you guys came out with, I was like, Kony has to be involved.
You can just tell that artistic style is there.
So, that's just awesome.
And, the reason I came out was actually, Patrick, because you're so right about LinkedIn.
Like, it's so stupid.
Like, I just, you ignore all the messages you get because it's just, like, fake accounts, it feels like.
Like, for me, all LinkedIn is really is a way where I can be like, hey, where did I used to work at?
And, I can go back and look at that because I don't really have a place where I'm keeping that.
But, it's just, that's the only real big use for me is just to make sure I'm updating it for myself, just resume-wise, you know?
Yeah, you got to be careful because, like, Jaden might be in those DMs, our director of growth and stuff.
Eric, I was going to say, 9 out of 10 of those messages that you think are coming from bots are me, dude.
Aw, dang it.
I've been trying to reach you about your card's extended warranty for a month now.
You're really worried about me getting LinkedIn Premium.
Yeah, that's me.
It's on sale.
It's only $89.99 a month for the next two and a half years.
Dude, if it was that cheap, I'd get it.
It's so freaking expensive, whatever.
I don't know, like, it's pointless.
What they offer is pointless.
Yeah, in the Web2 realm, you know, I could agree that LinkedIn is just a bunch of people wafting their own, you know, it's not great.
People love themselves, but in the Web2 realm, there's nothing like it.
So, it definitely still has its value there.
Yeah.
For sure, for sure.
We had someone up here, because your board was up here, but I think we lost them.
Kind of, we had one more comment in the comments about, Kryptonium hits us with, Jackal Storage is a part of EVMOS, in brackets, EVMOS.
I don't know if that would work technically.
Myerson, do you want to tackle that?
Yeah, we've kind of been chatting with them a little bit.
The idea would be to kind of get our outpost over to EVMOS.
I know there was, back when we were really talking about it, there were some kind of, not issues, I guess, but just like prioritization stuff, where we were really focusing on Cosmosom at the time.
And because EVMOS didn't have Cosmosom, it kind of got put on the back burner a little bit.
But, as we kind of come to a close on the big overhaul that is getting Cosmosom stuff up and running, we're kind of reaching out to more teams on how to get our outposts out there.
And I definitely know EVMOS was one of those teams.
So, probably, we'll get out there.
But, honestly, B would probably be a better person to ask than me, because I know he was talking to them about the, like, technical hurdles of it.
Yeah, of course.
I know.
I think in theory it can work.
We just haven't done it yet.
But, yeah, it's just we have to rewrite, like, the outpost contract in, like, a different programming language, it seems like.
Because I think it's Solidity over there, right?
Yeah.
And there's, like, a lot of, like, pre-built stuff that EVMOS does that's really cool that makes certain things easier.
But, as I say, I haven't, like, looked into it enough.
That's really a B question, but he's not here.
It's not really an if, it's a when.
It's a when.
Yeah, that's basically the gist.
Yes, we just need to be able to afford to hire, like, another 100 more devs, and it'll be fine.
I think Rui's comment is exactly why we opened the floor, to get feedback from the community.
We've got a great open line of communication with EVMOS.
We love the team and Federico and the remainder of his colleagues, and it's definitely on the table.
Right on, right on.
Because you're bored, you came up.
Thanks for coming back.
What's up?
Hey, thanks, guys.
Love the work you guys are doing.
Definitely like the rebrand.
It's definitely that perfect line of professional, but yet you can definitely play with it, you know, with memes and whatnot.
So I think you've really guys walked a good line there, and it's right in the perfect spot.
So, you know, I don't really come from a, you know, a coding programming background, but I just want to sort of make sure I understand the concept of this blockchain or of the network.
So basically what Jackal can do through the Cosmos and IBC is that it can provide interchain storage where, you know, the competitors like Filecoin, Airweave, they're sort of stuck with your data on their API, and it's sort of hard to traverse to other chains.
And so, you know, with Jackal through the IBC contracts, and I think you're calling them outposts, you can sort of allow developers or whatnot to sort of move around storage at a much cheaper and efficient way of the growing blockchain network.
So is that sort of just the idea? Because I was watching the Darksider podcast when he showed a little video, and I just thought that was incredible.
So I just wanted to make sure I sort of, that's an understanding for, because again, having people that don't have a great background in this, having good understanding of sort of what they is and how you guys differentiate versus competitors, I think is important.
Yeah. Awesome question. Awesome question.
So I think the best way to kind of answer this question would be to tell the story, right?
So let's say that I am in NFT, I make an NFT marketplace on Archway, for example, right?
On Archway, if you can't like store the NFT files on chain, because like they're too big, right?
And when they are stored on chain, they're called an ordinal.
And I think everyone's kind of familiar with the whole ordinal thing.
But with ordinals, like the file has to be really small, because blockchains can't really store a lot of data.
And this is kind of an interesting thing where we have this situation where we want to build like these web scale decentralized applications, we have this vision for the future of the internet.
But we can't really do it unless we get better storage and better compute.
So if I'm that NFT marketplace, and I want to make sure that I have decentralized storage, I never want the NFTs to disappear.
I have two options while staying on Archway.
Option number one is I use like a centralized API, which is just like an AWS.
And I put the files on the AWS, I pin it to IPFS, which is like a way that blockchains can discover things.
And then I take that file, and then I reference it on chain.
So like in the metadata of like the NFT, it says like, hey, you want this file?
It's like over here on AWS, go get it.
And then you can put it up in the front end.
Downside of that is like, I forget like my credit card or like the developer like, unfortunately passes away and the NFT will be gone because the AWS server will stop hosting that file.
So option number one, right?
You introduce like a centralized choke point of failure into the platform.
Option two is I actually pack up my entire NFT marketplace and I move to on top of Filecoin or an ARWave.
That's also not really great because like now like you lost your liquidity, you lost all your community, all your friends.
And now you have to move your platform on top of a monolithic storage L1, which is like still kind of proof of work.
They're great for a lot of things like data backup, things along that line.
And like stuff you want to put away in cold storage for a really long time, but it's like not really for like web scale, like cloud applications.
So those are kind of like the two options that you have.
Like the other way that you could use like AR Weaver Filecoin from Archways, you have to use like a centralized API again, but then kind of begs the question of like, okay, what's the point?
I might as well just host it to AWS anyways.
So how can we figure out a way that we can deliver scalable storage to other blockchains and give them the functionality that they need to build web scale applications?
Whether that's NFTs, AI, ML, we can talk about decentralized science, like really anything decentralized social that needs to store a meaningful amount of data.
You can't really do that in like a fully decentralized manner.
You have to kind of settle for like, quote unquote, like sufficiently decentralized.
So essentially what Jackal is, you can think of it as like a hard drive just plugging into that blockchain.
So now any developer on that chain can access storage with a simple smart contract call.
You can now bake it into the platform.
It's like blockchain native so that you can like have like storage payments, like in transaction fees, and you can like abstract a lot of it away from the user.
This kind of just now turns like we see blockchains as like a public computer.
We're just giving like a storage upgrade to that public computer and making sure that everything's on chain and fully self-custodial.
You have privacy, you have security, you have all those things that you expect when you think of like blockchain ethos of privacy, self-custody, and all those things, right?
Yeah, that's a great explanation.
And thank you for walking me through that whole thing is yes, that makes tons of sense.
And so with it, like when I guess down the road, you guys have a, like a web, like a, I would say a consumer interface.
It'll be easier to like, like interact with other people's projects.
I haven't really messed around with it, but I think that's the goal towards the end.
But I agree.
I like that you guys are going slow and building the product first because I feel like a lot of people go to market first without anything to show.
Because once you guys do gain traction, it needs to be a solid product.
And I like that you guys are doing it and it looks to be working great.
So again, really happy with the way you guys are taking this on.
No, I appreciate that.
And it's kind of like, you can think about it like this, right?
Like when you build like deep in quote unquote networks, right?
You don't really have the luxury of like kind of having like a single dimensional application where it's like, not that they're bad, not that they're not profitable.
But let's say like you have a DEX, right?
You build the DEX, you can ship the DEX really quickly and get profitable really quickly.
So it gives you the opportunity to like drag it out, raise like five different rounds before you go live on mainnet.
You don't really have the luxury in deep end.
You look at guys like us, you look at a cache, for example, where we have to launch the product to scale the product.
And you actually have to iterate on the product because you need like 12 different things that work perfectly for it all to work, right?
So it's kind of like a different approach, but we're happy.
We're excited.
And we've been building away for like 590 days, but who's counting?
And we're excited where we are right now.
Thank you so much.
Moving into kind of what's next here.
If anyone has any more questions, feel free to come up.
We've had like a pretty good town hall today.
Thanks everyone for coming up so far.
Just really quickly, I know that Osmosis, you're going to have to put up like a proposal, but is that something that y'all are thinking about doing as well?
Like a proposal for like more like liquidity incentives?
Well, for governance, don't you have to like get approved to, since it's permissioned, you have to put a proposal before you could do anything on Osmosis?
Oh, like, yeah, you have to, I think it's permissionless to like launch a token, like our tokens been on Osmosis for a while now.
So like, I think that was permissionless.
But if you want to like introduce, like, if you want to put an outpost on Osmosis, for example, if they wanted to like kind of do something, like if they want to like store their chain state on data, or they wanted to kind of like take like a different approach to like having that functionality for them, we would have to put a proposal on Osmosis for that.
Same thing with Stargaze, I think.
I think their permission to cause a Muslim as well.
Gotcha.
Yeah, it's a, that's the beauty of sovereign blockchains.
It's kind of a, it's pick your own adventure.
It's a, everything, everything's kind of a little bit different, right?
And kind of comes down to like why we went with like kind of a bunch of infrastructure and like tech stack decisions and like using interchain account controller contracts.
Cause like everyone's on different Cosmos and versions and kind of everyone's at a different spot, which is interesting, but that's the beauty of Cosmos.
Let's see.
Aaron, what's up, dude?
This is a, you don't usually come up here very often.
What's going on with you today?
Oh, not terribly much.
Thought I'd pop in and say hi.
Shout out, shout out to the, the integrations god, Aaron Rivas.
Is it Rivas or Rivas?
No, it's Rivas.
It's Rivas.
You've had this discussion I don't know how many times.
I know, I know.
And I always stumble.
I always stumble.
It's almost like I'm not listening.
I'm sorry, dude.
I'm sorry.
What's going on?
I came a few minutes late.
So I was wondering if we, if we talked at all about kind of next steps, because I know everybody's really excited about the rebrand of the website.
But has there been any discussion about how we're using the rebrand as a launching platform to start bringing these different kind of disconnected pieces that don't have a cohesive branding feel under one umbrella to have a more cohesive experience and how we're looking to kind of unify the experience a little bit better?
I think, I think, I think that's great.
So just to kind of set the floor in, Ian, I'll let you talk about kind of like your idea of like kind of bringing everything in.
So as Jackal Labs, like we're one of the core development entities, obviously, for the Jackal Protocol.
And like it's, we kind of birthed this thing out of nowhere.
And with that, we chose to build a bunch of different decentralized applications to kind of bootstrap the app layer for Jackal.
So we built Radiant, which is like decentralized publishing, you can like publish a file and have shareable links, and it's public by default.
And then we also have Jackal Drive, which is a little bit different of a experience where it's like private and self custodial, and no one can access your data other than the end user with their private key.
And then we have Beacon, which is like, kind of like a medium type product.
And then we have Stratus, which is like an API for businesses.
But Ian, do you kind of want to chat about bringing that all under one hood and kind of like branding everything?
Archway does this really well as well, where you'll notice it's like the same design team for a lot of the applications.
Sure, yeah.
I guess like at the end of the day, our ultimate goal is to, you know, get more people buying storage on the Jackal Protocol, to get more people holding Jackal tokens.
So we want to make sure that the Jackal brand as a whole is being sold.
We want people to know that when they're using these dApps and when they're using these products, they are making use of like Jackal's like decentralized storage.
So we're kind of in the process right now of going through some of the UIs for some of the existing products.
And we like literally just started to do all this.
But we're going to take some of these brand elements and just try to like bring them all into one cohesive space.
Because just because Jackal as a, you know, the Jackal Protocol is a decentralized protocol.
But that doesn't mean that it can't have one like voice.
Because at the end of the day, everybody that's supporting the Jackal Protocol has a lot of the same ethos behind decentralized storage.
And we're all kind of carrying that exact same torch.
So we're going to try to bring those things under that same umbrella as well.
And then one idea that we've kind of kicked around a little bit internally and we're kind of figuring out is as we onboard new dApps, as we onboard new chains,
is there a way that we can let users know that these dApps and chains are making use of actually decentralized storage, like making use of Jackal storage.
So we're kind of trying to figure out, is there a way we can make like a badge or like something that people can display on their site to let people know that this dApp is leveraging Jackal storage.
So some other brands that we're kind of looking to that do that exact same thing, it's like, like when you buy a new PC, you have the Intel inside little like sticker that's on there.
Like, of course, you're using like a Dell, right?
But you're using that Intel chip that's inside or like that and the NVIDIA sticker that's on your laptop.
Or even if you go to like the store and you're, you know, buying some eggs and they're USDA certified organic.
We're just trying to figure out how, as we expand, as other people make use of Jackal's decentralized storage, how can we let users know that you're using the good stuff, the actually decentralized storage.
So, yeah, we're doing a lot of thought process on that as well and just trying to wrangle everything in and, you know, tell the world about it.
I'm excited for that.
Like, I think a badge would be really fun.
I wonder if we can NFT it too.
So, it might be a technical hurdle, but I think that would be fun too.
I also think that would be fun.
Kind of, if anyone has any other questions, feel free to come up.
I'm excited for the badge.
I'm excited for kind of unifying the brand and bringing everything kind of into a coherent space rather than like all of our different front ends we have right now.
Like, Radiance, like, it's like a Microsoft 97, like a dashboard, which is fun.
But that should be the party mode.
We should have like a standard mode as well.
Yeah, for sure.
I'm definitely excited about the direction that it's going and bringing all these different pieces together.
And also, I mean, I don't know how many people here have used the dashboard in its current state, but I don't know how many people know the history of the dashboard in its current state.
But the dashboard was definitely built before a lot of other infrastructure was built by the community.
So, the community has built out a lot of fantastic tools around us and stuff.
So, we had built things quickly to fill a need with the hope that the community would build something better.
And they did.
And so, there's definitely elements that are time for us to retire because there is now a need being filled much better than we can fill it.
And I'm very excited to refocus those efforts from what was us plugging a hole to us focusing on what is truly important and letting the community support us in us doing what's important for us to do and the community in what they can do themselves.
And I think that that is a true meshing of greatness and will lead to a better future.
No, for sure.
It's kind of like, first and foremost, shout out JSTOR, shout out to Amuse, which was hopefully going to be coming online pretty soon.
JSTOR is like an alternative front end to Jockle.
That is like, it's pretty well done.
It was done by a student in Canada and he crushed.
I'm excited for JSTOR to kind of have its moment.
And also Amuse, which is just storage on Android on Jockle, which is also pretty exciting.
It's just, it's all coming together.
It feels like we're converging at the crossroads here with all kinds of different teams.
Us, the brand, everything's kind of coming together and it's an exciting time.
Aaron, is there anything that you really want to share about kind of the, where we are with JockleJS?
And just so everyone knows, like JockleJS is the way that like you build apps with Jockle and kind of like build front ends with Jockle.
Is there anything you want to say right now with like that kind of rebuild?
Yeah, sure.
Well, for the last couple of months as V4 has been getting worked on and ultimately it's, you know, every day has been all about getting 1% better every day and, you know, just kind of getting a little bit further and further and working on making it so that everyone can use it more and more easily.
Um, but what's fascinating about this is that we have really trimmed down the experience.
So again, actually with the creator of JSTOR that you were talking about, uh, Supes is his username, but, uh, shout out to Supes.
We love Supes.
But, um, what has been really fascinating about this is that he has been an invaluable resource in the end user experience because everyone on the team knows how JockleJS is supposed to work and how you're supposed to use it and quote unquote the best way to use it.
And so we just, we just use it that way automatically, but he's coming in blind with no preconceived notions.
And so he's able to tell us like, well, I don't understand why this thing works in this particular way.
And we're able to say, okay, let's make it clearer or you're right out of context, out of our context, that doesn't make sense.
Let's change it.
And so there's been a lot of revisions like that last month and just the amount of improvement from that feedback has been tremendous.
So if any of you are developers that have interest in JockleJS, I beg you get on our discord, get involved in the developer conversation, try out developer mode, JockleJS.
We've got a preview mode up.
I'm happy to give you test net tokens for it.
We'll get you hooked up into it so you can start working with it.
We want that feedback to make it the best possible developer experience because at the end, at the end of the day, the art of the possible is made possible by you.
And outside of that, I mean, we can't do it without you.
No, that's, it's the truth.
It's the truth.
And it's really nice to kind of have a developer community start to form around that makes our lives easier.
It helps us iterate faster and get our build measure, build measure, learn feedback loops going, as everyone would say.
Right.
Awesome, guys.
This is, this has been a pretty good town hall.
If anyone has any questions, this would probably be the last time to come up.
Or, I feel like we're out of, out of things to say.
There's never a shortage of things to say, but I feel like we're, we're starting to, we're, tires are starting to spin here, fellas.
Tires are starting to spin.
If you want to come up, feel free.
We're kind of going once, going twice.
Anyone, anyone, anyone?
All right, fellas.
And ladies, we really appreciate you coming down for our Wednesday town halls this weekly at 2 p.m.
Next week, we'll be in the Discord because we alternate because it's a little bit more intimate in the Discord.
We can get, get more stuff done.
That being said, thank you for coming and see you next week.
