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Jackal Town Hall now on @base
Recorded: June 11, 2025 Duration: 0:50:28Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, the Jackal team unveiled their innovative project, Respawn, aimed at revolutionizing data backup solutions for enterprises. They emphasized strategic partnerships, market growth strategies, and the importance of user experience in the evolving crypto landscape, while also addressing potential fundraising needs for future expansion.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Yo, what is up, Jackal fam?
Am I live?
Is this live?
Can you hear me?
Am I live?
I can hear you.
I think this is live.
We're live. We're live.
We're live.
Just give me a second.
I gotta tweet this bad boy up.
Why doesn't the X allow you?
Wasn't there a little waiting room before the spaces start?
So why do I have to just sit around like an asshole and just keep clicking on the tweet
until I can get in here?
It seems like an issue.
Yeah, it kind of is an issue.
We should have taken all that money we saved from Doge and just put it into
making X spaces better.
Who else do we got here? We got Jade.
We should probably bring Mercer.
The gang is all here. Sith Lord's here.
Big Boy's here. Spantoby's here.
Martin's here.
Martin, is this your actual dog? Is this a Border Collie? What's the situation?
I grew up with a Border Collie. Those dogs dogs are too smart they're too smart for their
own good if i'm completely honest i had a border for really how have we never talked
about this name was way too smart they're way too smart they're smart little diggity
dogs i need a mid-level uh smartness dog like a nice uh middle curve dog you know what
i mean they can't be too dumb but but I need to be able to trick them
into doing dumb shit.
Yes. One second. Just give me one second here.
Let's kick this off with, let's kind of get Marston.
I'd kind of like to talk to, have you chat a little bit about what we've been working on with Respawn and just a little bit of a development update on that front.
And then we can kind of go into the base outpost and all that good stuff.
All right.
Can you guys hear me?
Okay.
Oh, we can, we can hear you.
You sound great.
You sound very delightful.
Oh, perfect.
Perfect.
Perfect.
Yeah.
So respawn.
I know we've chatted about it at the last discord thing and a little bit in like our Telegram and everything.
We've been putting out some feelers on Twitter as well.
But the core of it is Jackal needs data to be a good protocol.
And we think probably the best spot to get data is enterprise level backup.
So what we've been doing for the past little while here has been building out a really, really good data backup tool.
So, you know, go into things like Google Drive or Gmail or even like S3 buckets, if an organization has those, and being able to kind
of wrap all that up and ship it over to Jackal, because Jackal is really secure. It is really
excellent at keeping backups because everything's encrypted before it ever gets to the protocol. So enterprises can be pretty sure that their data is
secured on our platform here, which we're calling Respawn. So I mean, a lot of the development time
that we've spent over the past two weeks here, a little bit longer than two weeks, but just for the sake of this Twitter space's two weeks timeline,
is it's been respawn.
We've been trying to build out a really, really solid system
that not only can we bring to enterprises
and have it be a good user experience,
but most importantly is giving us the ability
to kind of make it flexible, which is something that is really important for scaling software into
these enterprise, like situations where they might not have the same tech stack as another team. So making it responsive and be able to really quickly iterate
and pull from different services and third-party tools
to back up and secure is really important.
And so right now, kind of where we're at is the actual tech side.
A lot of the core
structure is complete. So things like a scheduler, or like all the user data and everything that we need to be compliant and
everything that stuff is pretty standard. The bridge to get that data over to Jackal is completed. And right now, what we're
trying to do is make it feel good and get third party integrations going. So kind of our first
bet here was kind of a Google Drive and G Suite type of situation where organizations that have Google
set up at work can just click basically one button, set it up and back up their whole Google
organization onto the Jacko protocol. So that's pretty crazy. That's almost done there. Google
Drive's like done. Gmail's almost done. fun side note about Google is every single one of their services uses different API endpoints.
So we have to scrape literally every single one of them, which is so annoying, but you know, it's going.
So that's kind of where we're at on the tech side.
The biggest lift though, which I'm sure Mr. Coney
Daddy can speak to a little bit more is UX design and making things feel good. Like wireframing the
whole app out to feel excellent is probably like the biggest time sink by far in our process so far.
Oh, yeah, it's been taking some sweet time
but i also think we're doing some things that are i'm not gonna say novel but uh novel for like the
dress kind of backup oh so i've screenshotted a lot of dress software and i know you're asking
yourself what's dress well it's a bullshit acronym that the industry made up that stands for disaster recovery as a service it makes
me sick all right um but we've screenshotted a lot of things we've dove and died you know we've done
some deep dives into the veams and the cohesities and the uh rubrics and things like that and i'm
gonna tell you right now all the uis and the uxes are pretty they're pretty bad they're pretty
they're really bad um they're hard to follow uh
so i think we're gonna be able to do pretty good uh i think we're gonna be able to bring something
to the table that is uh i don't know at least simpler at least at least like a little bit easier
just to wrap your head around because no one wants to spend so much of time learning a bunch of
backup software plus at the end of the day you the day, you're gonna be dipping your toes in,
getting all your backups set up.
And then ideally you never return to the software at all.
That's like the most ideal situation, I suppose.
That means you never get hacked or nothing bad ever happens.
The intern doesn't delete everything on the server,
things like that.
But we've been, I don't know,
going about it very methodically
to get everything in place and uh i don't know hopefully like next town hall maybe we're gonna
have a little little ui figma demo maybe that can be a separate town hall thing maybe we can get
some input from people in the audience it's always dangerous the building the you guys build in public
insane ideas i've been telling marcy i think to do a code long live stream.
He just sits there and codes with the IDE open the entire time.
That would be good.
I'll just get yelled at.
Okay, so we kind of talked about what we're building
and the focus on design, which is super important.
We think that design is very, very, very important in this space where it hasn't really been innovated on a long time but we haven't
really gotten into the why right like why would we want to focus on something that is recovery
for organizations and enterprises it kind of comes down to two things which is just number one like
what is the tailwinds of why it would be important to
innovate and build in this space? The first thing is that when you look at kind of AI, AI is like,
everyone's kind of building AI, this AI that, and wrappers for making things a little bit more
interesting, how all the apps have kind of moved away from widgets and interfaces and icons to more delegation awareness and intent, and that's awesome.
But the other thing that, what is the second order effects of having this really powerful agent swarms and things that are doing all kinds of stuff is the hackers can actually leverage it.
things that are doing all kinds of stuff is the hackers can actually leverage it and we're seeing
vulnerabilities like reported vulnerabilities whether critical or severe exponentially growing
year over year they almost like they had about 38 40 growth between 2023 and 2024 and why are
these vulnerabilities starting to pop up well like now you have automated kind of scanning
and probing and a little bit of the Red Hat fellas
going using the tools that we have on hand
and the cost of actually pulling off one of these attacks
is like 100x cheaper now.
So what are the second order effects of that, right?
We're starting to realize like, okay,
so if people are going to get attacked
more, what is going to happen? So they have a cyber attack ransomware, data breach, all these
different things. Then it goes down as like, okay, so how do organization, number one, what costs the
most and how can we save people the most money? We kind of noticed that it's actually not the ransom
that hurts the company and it's the data breach obviously you're going to get sued and that might be expensive but it's actually the downtime that the organization
faces so when one of these attacks are pulled off aided by AI more most recently we're kind of in
the situation where they're down for an average of two weeks and they don't actually fully recover
for like 150 days so if that's the case,
why is everyone going down? Why is everyone hurting so bad? We start to look at the backup
and recovery software for these organizations to make sure they maintain uptime and productivity.
There's a crazy situation where 50% of the backups fail over the wire and then 60% of the backups fail over the wire, and then 60% of the backups are actually incomplete anyways.
So if that's the case, what we see is like kind of how do we attack the second order effects of AI?
How do we help businesses stay resilient?
How do we leverage the technology that we've been building over the last three years to kind of solve problems in the space?
We think we're extremely uniquely positioned to attack this market very heavily.
And the byproduct of attacking this market is a lot of data.
So that's kind of where our heads at.
That's kind of the why are we kind of building in this space.
We think that verifiability is important.
No one really knows if when you back up the data,
if you can recover that data, is it corrupted?
We don't really know.
And that's something that we've kind of fixed uniquely where we know if the data is there and we can prove it that the data is there without actually hurting privacy.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
Like, obviously, Jackal was built for hot storage and disaster recovery does not sound like hot storage
but something that we do that's really like kind of novel and something that nobody else is doing
at least to the scale that we are in the speed that we're doing it is we check if files are there all the time, like all the time.
Even if you look at other Web3 storage solutions,
your verification that your data is there can be anywhere from 24 hours
to most notably like Walrus, for example, they're doing like a week.
I think it was 12 days, actually, that they go
through their cycle. Jackal right now is doing it every 12 hours on three different pieces of data,
which is pretty crazy. Not only are you checking every 12 hours, you're checking like, sometimes
every four hours, because you're hitting it three times in that 12 hour window.
And that gives us like huge scalability improvements
over using something like AWS as a backend
where they're not doing a verification.
So when you store on AWS,
if you want to verify that data's there,
you have to pull it down and check it,
which costs egress. whereas the storage providers on Jack will just do that natively and they
do it really well.
So with backups, obviously verification is huge.
And it's something that gives people a lot of peace of mind is knowing that not only
that your data is there, but the data that we say is there is actually there is huge.
Yeah. but the data that we say is there is actually there is huge. Yeah, and I think it's also just important to bring innovation
to a space that hasn't been innovated in a really long time.
Just like as Ian was saying, the UX side of things,
I think can be improved quite a bit.
If you boot up some of these DRAS systems,
they're pretty old, like they feel, they're not very intuitive and it kind of
feels like you're booting up like windows xp for some of them so I think that there's a lot of
space for improvement in the space and I think that it's going to be a lot more important as
we start to see attacks start to racks ratchet up in an exponential kind of curve but let's kind of curve. But let's kind of talk about, let's switch gears here. Actually,
before that, Jaden, I kind of want you to chat about like the conversations we've been having
and how you feel about going to market in this market and having something that's like a little
bit easier in theory to actually sell to people because the onboarding experience is pretty abstracted away.
Yeah, I think the strongest part about everything that Pat's saying actually boils down to how we're
going to market with this product. What we've been doing over the past couple of weeks
and are continuing to do every day
is to have conversations with, in our minds,
ideally people who would be buying this product,
business owners operating in different industries,
doing different things.
And we're essentially ping-ponging off of walls
to identify exactly what the ideal customer
profile of a buyer of this software would be.
We don't have a product right now.
And even before that comes to market, we're trying to do due diligence as much as we can
so that when we do have the product and it's ready to go,
we have as close to an X marks the spot on the map
as possible.
So I think it's the strongest part about what we're doing
because of the value that we've been able to derive
from each of these conversations where we go in
having preconceived notions of who would be buying
this product. And then we leave with another market identified where, you know, Patrick and
I in a room together and Gibby and anybody on the team, we wouldn't have thought of independently.
So that, in my opinion, is the strongest factor that would contribute to our eventual success with this
product is just the fact that we've been interviewing extensively anybody and everybody
who uses any sort of product to back up their business's important data. And we've been studying
them and learning from them and trying to identify gaps between where they are now and where they
want to be. And then doing our best back in the lab with Marston and the team of building that product that
bridges the gap. So that in my mind is, you know, you can call it the customer discovery life cycle
of doing discovery and validating ideas and all of that good stuff. But executing is a lot harder
than planning on paper. People don't necessarily want to just give up their time if you don't have
anything to give them in return. And we've been able to successfully get people on the phone and
get people into rooms and ultimately just learn from them. So that, in my opinion, is really strong.
Yeah, on top of Respawn, where obviously the meat and potatoes of our energy are focused,
we've been having a lot of internal conversations on base. Right before we got on this call,
Marcia and I submitted all of the necessary information to get us on the base ecosystem page.
And we're doing things every day to, I guess, just like further establish the relationship between Jackal and base.
So in the next little while, as soon as we have the ecosystem page live, we're looking to get the base Twitter account to tweet an announcement out for us.
And at that same time, we're kind of just looking to get like the baking soda and the vinegar so that we can start getting integrated with other projects in the base ecosystem and doing that all simultaneously to get as much momentum and to capitalize on as much momentum as possible.
So that's kind of the two things that I've been looking at over the past couple of weeks.
And yeah, both are great.
It's also Arrowjump has been really great to work with as well.
And those guys have been awesome over there with helping us with on-chain market makers to helping us boost drop liquidity and get us approved.
And they, shout out to them.
They've been really, really, really great to us.
I think right now on base, we have two pools
for people that are wondering.
It's number one is just like kind of like a basic
volatile pool, and then they have a concentrated pool
as well, which kind of makes trade on base
a lot more easier kind of uh i think anything else from you marston or ian on your fronts
uh before we kind of open the floor up here we've been yapping for about 20 minutes
yeah um just little things outside of respawn, we've been continuing to try and improve
the JAK protocol's stability. So things like minor upgrades to the storage providers and to
the chain itself. I know a couple weeks ago, we released an update to the Jackal Chain, which was very, very small.
But essentially, it's like a non-breaking change.
A bunch of node runners have already upgraded.
But essentially, it just speeds up the blockchain so that there's less load on the actual nodes themselves.
And there's a few more API stuff to kind of better monitor
the health of the protocol, which is really cool. And then as far as the storage providers go,
we've pushed some mild updates that have shown some stability improvements, which is really cool.
The storage providers we run kind of in-house ourselves to double check the state of the network.
They've not been burning files much at all, which is really, really cool.
The actual like burn problem where we were noticing files here and there disappearing is you haven't really received a lot of reports of that since that update and I haven't
personally noticed it at all which is really cool so uh as far as network stability goes we're kind
of improving day by day there um kind of a side note if you guys have any suggestions or if anything ever breaks please just like let us know ASAP. I know
some community members have been putting in reports of like not only just how to kind of
fix bugs that they're encountering but also just like improvements that they are thinking of. I know we've got lots of great feedback
on the vault and stuff.
And so there's a few things
that we've been working on in the vault.
A little more stability going in
with just JackalJS trying to diagnose bugs there,
which is kind of a constant battle.
But more importantly,
trying to do some kind of
more account abstraction type of things. kind of a constant battle, but more importantly, trying to do some kind of
more account abstraction type of things, kind of playing with like Auth-Z stuff so that you can do like a 24-hour, hey, I want to approve the vault to just do stuff. And then it doesn't
request a signature every time you try and upload a file for like the next 24 hours.
That type of stuff is kind of on the roadmap for Vault just to make it feel better.
As well as like not needing tokens and just doing credit card payments.
That type of stuff is still kind of in progress alongside Respawn.
So lots of fun stuff going on there.
But yeah, if you guys have any like suggestions or bug reports or anything,
please just ship them my way and I'll try and get
to them ASAP.
Kind of one other thing that I've sort of noticed is with the base I would post deployment
and I'm going to butcher the name, Segea, Segea, I think it's Segea, right?
Segea for Scott's app app which is super awesome on mobile
um we've noticed like we've already gotten an increase just this week of about like 40
active files on the network um this month we're up 52 for active files on the network and we're up 52% for active files on the network. And we're going to kind of see that start to increase where it's very possible
that we'll have less active plans,
but more storage used and more active files as we start to have like
abstraction, whether it's account abstraction,
whether it's wallet abstraction,
whether it's people using APIs to plug in directly to the protocol,
those kind of represent one wallet, which is kind of interesting as well.
So we're almost approaching all-time highs of storage used on the network right now,
although the actual, quote-unquote, individual active users has decreased,
which is kind of interesting.
But not all users on the Jocko protocol are equal, I guess is the way to put it.
Because if it's an app or if it's one person storing memes,
it counts as one active client on the network,
which is interesting in itself.
I think it's a good time to open the floor.
Anyone want to come up and chat?
I know we haven't been on Twitter in a bit.
I feel like the last one was just you, Ian,
because we were at the conference.
Oh, yeah.
It was just me solo up here, and it was the best space ever,
and you guys missed out.
Yeah, I bet.
I talk shit the whole time.
I was talking smack.
Yeah.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to come on up and hang out.
But in the meantime, I'm just really excited about kind of respawn as a use case.
That's what's really exciting from my point of view.
I think that is like our best chance of
moving data onto the network in size yeah i definitely i know we've been talking about
how long we've been talking about backups going on to java probably what two years um
but actually having like a really solid
user experience for that
I know like you kind of technically can do backups
on Jacko right now if you use like a third party
backup tool and
hook it up to one of the S3 bucket
Docker containers and everything
but making a good user
experience for it is like
I don't know the highest
priority probably the like,
biggest distinction between what an enterprise will accept as an application that they use.
The user experience is crazy. Like there's so many open source tools that they won't use because
it's not easy. And trying to make Jackal data onboarding easy is like,
I don't know. It's so huge.
No, for sure.
We got Sith Lord coming up.
Should be good to go.
Am I live?
You're live, brother. Thank you for that write up today by the way
oh yeah uh no problem i don't i mean uh if it comes off aggressive that's not how i meant it
it's kind of hard to no it's no but it's also just whatever we just for context for everyone
we've been talking about marketing a lot in the telegram about what it looks like to have a proper marketing campaign um and sithward raised some awesome points if you
want to chat about that feel free yeah i would love i would love to see you guys on youtube a
lot more um like i was trying to say just like compared to uh greg from akash i mean if you
search his name you find you know shorts you find long videos about
i don't know there's at least 10 to 12 interviews with greg they're like 30 minutes to an hour long
with him just talking about the product i would like to see patrick possibly do that more try to
go on with uh more people you know interviews talking about the product that'd be really sweet and then
i'm not on tiktok uh personally i've really never been a fan of it just because i don't want to get
sucked into it like uh some people i know once you get once you get to tiktok it's just addicted to
it you know but uh i feel like that would be a really good place to post as well. I think Coney Daddy really does awesome videos.
And I think some sweet 15 to 30 second videos and having a jackal TikTok would do really well.
X ain't bad.
It's just the problem with X's is I feel like most users on X are not actually going to actually use and buy the product.
actually going to actually use and buy the product and they're just mostly worried about the token
And they're just mostly worried about the token.
so if you're going after people trying to actually use the product i don't really see that x is the
place to do most of the marketing um but you know don't get me wrong i'm not trying to hate
i see your guys's videos with you guys all talking and stuff like that i just don't think many people are watching that and caring much on x compared to
if you take it to youtube and do like interviews and stuff like that i think it's a super fair
point like we we used to be a lot more on like the uh like myself personally on the marketing
train for youtube videos but it's kind of slowed down over the last year as we've been really,
really grinding on the base front and everything like that.
So it's a really good point and we need to kind of get back out in front of people.
Another thing is we've kind of reached the total addressable market of like through Twitter
of like active Cosmos people.
I think we, I think everyone in the cosmos ecosystem specifically is
aware of us i think there's a lot for us to do on the base side of things and start to get
penetration in that market but uh our engagement has always been great on twitter but uh it's been
the same people so i think it's time for us to kind of really reach into that ecosystem specifically
yeah i mean for youtube it probably wouldn't even hurt. Just,
I don't know, go see some of the places Greg has interviewed and just message them and just say,
Hey, you know, this is what we have. Would you be willing to do an interview? And then just sit
down with some of these people. I mean, it's not like you have to leave the house or anything.
Everything's on cam anyways, but I really feel like that'd be a a really good place to market because you know
people like myself i don't pay for cable i'm cheap as fuck so really all i have is flixer which is uh
for movies and shows and then i basically just watch youtube that's about it i mean that's how
i find most shit i want to end up looking up um like i said tick tock would be a really good place but uh what i really
wanted requested to speak is uh maybe i missed it but jayden was talking about uh they're waiting
for something for base to uh tweet something out uh maybe i missed it on what we're waiting for
base to tweet out for like are they going to tweet out the product when it's ready no like
pretty much like we're going to make a tweet and then it's,
they're going to push it out through their channels as well.
Like they have a pretty good support.
They have really good support for builders over there. So,
but it's also very, very formal of how they interact.
So it's essentially just us crafting what like either we're going to pick the older tweets that
we when we went and we launched the demo on base but uh it's something i'm working with ian right
now on actually like crafting what we want that exact messaging to look like for their community
and then they'll have it out probably within the next week or two from their main account if that
makes sense oh i got you yeah it's pretty sweet
then there's other stuff with like wallet um i want to say like uh like inside the coinbase wallet
um which is kind of cool i don't think we've even mentioned this at all it's like you can actually
get jackal in the coinbase wallet right now and they also are talking about we'll probably see at coinbase's um they have an event tomorrow i
believe and uh everything on base it's kind of leaked that you're going to be able to access
it directly on coinbase as well if you're a user of coinbase you can access any asset on base which
is pretty cool okay yeah that's sweet yeah that's uh that's definitely needed because obviously like
okay yeah that's sweet yeah that's uh that's definitely needed because obviously like
cosmos everyone who's uh in cosmos that wants to be in jackal is probably already in jackal and
already knows about it i mean this ecosystem is pretty dead for the most part my opinion
just in case i uh i confused anybody else um just to give a little bit more information, we basically have one shot in the cannon with base reposting or amplifying something that we put out.
So what I was talking about specifically
is just kind of coordinating that with other efforts
that are underway,
whether it be listing on the ecosystem page
or doing an integration push via outbound messaging
to get more partners in the base ecosystem.
We just want to make sure that when we use that one shot in the canon of getting them to amplify
one of our posts, that we do it with some intention in an effort to drum up momentum
to get us in the door with as many projects as possible.
Yeah, just because they get so much
inbound and like they have to be pretty careful about how much they post like how much attention
they give to one project like we probably have one to two posts from base through um through our
contacts per year is uh is the situation that we're looking at i um i would like to double down
on i think seth l's right i think youtube for
response stuff specifically is going to be like huge just because i feel like it'll be easier
there to get like a newer like a newer audience than the one that we have on x how do you guys
feel about the podcast stuff we were doing the podcast i wanted to record some more episodes
with patrick and marston we kind of put it on hold because we've just been heads down on response stuff.
But I like it because it gives me the ability to kind of extract a ton of shorts.
Because YouTube shorts is like where it's at.
That's where you can like get your initial eyeballs, kind of have them like roll in.
I did make a Jackal TikTok account.
I cross posted all of them, but I'm sure I'm using TikTok account. I cross-posted all of them, but I'm sure I'm using TikTok incorrectly. I probably
should have had Trap Queen playing low volume behind the boys as they talked about decentralized
storage. I think I need to put a song on there or something like that for sure because the TikTok
stuff did not go as well. YouTube shorts went very well. Very specifically, the YouTube shorts
that went the best were the ones of Patrick and Marston talking about some of their past experiences in digital forensics.
Those kind of gathered the most views for sure.
So all of that experience and stuff will be great.
Just building them up as experts in the cybersecurity field for respawn as well.
But I'm definitely open to some TikTokiktok ideas for sure uh the podcast
clips great on shorts they did good on shorts didn't do good on tiktok yeah well it's also
like tiktok is kind of more of a ucg play like where like essentially there are creators you
find them in your niche and then you kind of get them on board um it's it's kind of it's different it's
like really attention grabby like you have like 0.5 seconds to like have someone watch your video
it's it's a little bit different than the youtube shorts land yeah the attention span for tiktok
is wild if you don't have someone hooked in right away they're just freaking swiping but i do agree on the shorts uh the shorts you guys this round table
i do agree on that um i feel like if you're gonna end up uh talking about respawning though i feel
like that should be like a maybe like a formal interview with uh maybe patrick and a few other
other guys or maybe just patrick alone with some people that have a decent following. I think that would be better.
Don't get me wrong.
I like you guys' roundtable,
but I feel like the place to be is going to be other people's socials
because, in my opinion, unless –
I don't even know if you guys have a YouTube.
I haven't seen it yet or I haven't searched it up.
But if you guys do have a YouTube,
if there's not many followers on there right now I mean majority of the people who are going to be
watching say like an hour of a roundtable are just going to be Jacko followers and that's it
I mean people that are already invested in the product I know about it no it's totally it's
a hundred totally for a take I know we've been looking at because like respawn go to markets a
little bit different too right because it's a different audience and we kind of have to simultaneously run like two different,
it's a complex product market, right?
Where you kind of have to like run on the enterprise side, but you also have to run,
it's like a mullet.
Like we're kind of business in the front, party in the back a little bit here, right?
So it's definitely not easy, but I do agree um for the for the go-to-market
and kind of getting in front of more people and and doing a little bit more of a push on youtube
and also just a push on on twitter as well it's uh we have a pretty crazy go-to-market that we're
planning out for respawn and also just for jackal going to base right now. Well, and then one thing we're kind of talking about internally too,
and we haven't made any like full moves on it,
should Respawn have its own YouTube account,
its own Twitter account?
Because I don't necessarily want to like fragment the Jocko brand
by any means, but it's kind of,
they're kind of being advertised to completely separate audiences.
And the people that care about like B2B backups that can't get hacked don't really care that Jackal's on Aerodrome or vice versa.
Like Cohesity and Veeam that back up your stuff to some AWS server because they're just the software and not the storage.
They don't advertise the AWS backend or anything like that as well.
It's just separate audiences.
Now, selfishly, do I want to do two separate things and try to run two accounts?
Nope.
Absolutely not.
No, I don't.
We should.
But yeah, it might be the play.
Open to thoughts and ideas on that as well.
on that as well let me know how you feel justice what's up hey i had a question on um are you guys
Let me know how you feel.
Justice, what's up?
going to plan to uh get on more centralized exchanges yeah um absolutely i i don't think
there's kind of two things about like the centralized exchange landscape right now and
what it looks like to get onto one of them. Number one is like if you're looking at
a Binance or an OKEx or a KuCoin, it's very, very, very expensive. And for us to get the
capital to pull that off, we would inevitably have to sell tokens to do it. And I just don't
think that's good at this state. But on the flip side, there are some exchanges that are pretty
good when it comes to the listing process
there's wonderfy up here in canada they got acquired by robin hood which might be a backdoor
listing in a war robin hood that we're focused on and also a coinbase their centralized exchange is
like pretty much merging from our understanding with base so since jackal's on base we kind of
inherit access to the coinbase
exchange so it's kind of like a double-edged sword right now and kind of it really looks very
in the state where the centralized exchanges and dexes are converging whether it's um kraken
launching their l2 base l2 where now coinbase's front end is has access to all the assets on base so it's we're
kind of in a weird spot right now plus you look at like sex to dex volume um like dexes are now
processing 30 to 40 percent of sex volume right now so it's a little bit back and forth and if
we're going to do it uh we'd want the market cap to be a lot higher before we just start offloading
like a shit ton of tokens to pay for the sex listing.
Even if we want to go down that road,
I'm kind of of the thought process that the best way to get on sex is
to do really, really
well on decentralized exchanges
just because
they will just list you for free
if you deserve it
at the same time. So it's kind of a double
edged sword in my mind at this day.
100%, I agree.
Like, look at Akash.
Akash didn't pay for any listings.
Well, it's like Coinbase, and they just got listed just for free.
They just...
Coinbase?
Supposedly, Greg...
Yeah, you know, Coinbase is free to list.
They're, like, one of, like, the best places to list from that perspective.
It's a huge legal burden, but at to list uh from that perspective it's a huge
legal burden but at the same time like it's that's why i think going hard with youtube and
just marketing like that and going hard with bass i think is the play because eventually going that
hard and showing everyone on base you know this is who we are and
uh end up getting more eyes on base more people involved on base i think coinbase will just
automatically end up putting you guys through when the time comes places like finances are uh
not the place in my opinion i mean you pay a lot uh a lot of money i mean sure the initial pump
might be cool and all that but if you actually
look at it the dumps are just fucking insane right after so i couldn't agree with you more on that
uh let's send it over to uh minty hey what's up guys as much as i love osmosis it will be nice just to go to Coinbase and grab some Jackal tokens to be honest. I love hearing about that. I think that's so cool. I've had the good fortune of having Patrick on my show once upon a time. And I agree here. I think that moving to YouTube with, honestly, Patrick is a great person to chat with like you know he is big obviously big brain
everybody on the team big brains and really interesting people and come and have different
have a unique angle on storage and and I think as those talks broaden out um they can be you know
you leveraged into the youtube algorithm to find discovery because I think that that's
the problem that you guys are talking about here.
And so with that issue of discovery, I think you guys have a lot of tools.
You have like Tony Daddy who's freaking amazing as a creator.
So I think that there's a lot of elements there.
It's just about playing with the algorithm.
So I agree that YouTube strategy might be in order to find that discovery if the team
is ready for that.
Sounds like the products are ready. And, uh, you know, I think TikTok though,
is, is more of a creator or a consumer sort of, it's like, you know,
it's just like a consumer sort of, uh, interface. Um,
but I will say if Kony daddy wanted to do like a, um,
like a live stream and like selling data, like selling data packages,
you know, they like sell like hair dryers and like in the, like selling data packages, you know,
they like sell like hair dryers and like in the, in the, in the,
the live streams or it's kind of a funny marketplace,
but that might be interesting to have like a bit of a fun play on that.
Where we're selling something is seemingly almost obscure as data,
but showing its importance.
Like a, like a QVC, like a kind of like a late
nineties. Have you seen those? Like, have you seen those, those live streams? They're, they're
insane and they do really well. Like at a certain price point, they do really well. Those price
points are getting driven higher and higher because they're doing so well for the QVC style of,
of sale. But I just think that that's such an interesting way to catch again, discoverability
live streams. That's why my shows do so well.
Like, you know, people will just be scrolling through and they'll see, oh, that dude Patrick's saying something interesting and let's stick around.
And that discoverability on TikTok is similarly sticky because people are scrolling through and trying to find very visual interesting stuff.
And I think that Coney Daddy has a really good visual style that could pull people in.
And again, the absurdity of, you know of QVC selling data is hilarious to me. Are there live streams that exist now
that are doing the QVC style? I would love to see one, like fucking Mike Rowe dirty jobs before his
Discovery Channel outbreak. You know what I mean? Go dig and and i think you you may have seen like some some
people who are doing it you know similar things in china where there's a woman who tries on an
outfit every 15 seconds this type of thing it's a very speed style qvc um so it's not like a
throwback but i like your idea for it but it is it's its own thing like and and people do borrow
from qvc because it's you know because it's sales and people are trying to
play with the format currently to see what works.
I've also seen other ones where
people are cold calling.
Have you seen this? Where I think we just
set Jaden up with a live stream
set up and just have him dial 300
numbers a day.
Just get told the fuck off a million times.
Jaden, what do you think about the phone calls live streams?
I would do it.
Oh, is my knife all screwed up?
You just sound like you're deep.
You sound like you're deep in a dungeon.
I'm deep. I'm gone.
One second here, fellas.
You sound like you're yelling at us from across the room.
Yeah.
Oh my goodness, dude. Now you're yelling at us from across the room. Better? Yeah. Oh, my goodness, dude.
Now you're up close.
Like a showgirl whispering into my ear.
Oh, my goodness.
Justice, I know you had something to say before we cut you off there.
Yeah.
I was going to ask also, too, in terms of, like, other ecosystems,
are you guys planning to expand to, like, I don't know, like, Solana
or maybe, like, Aptos solana or maybe like aptos or
something or like any other ecosystems in the roadmap for our roadmap on the outpost front
um like we like to chase where developers are but there's also a caveat that it's easier to deploy
to evm for us right now so i know the hub is going evm. I know that the hub's going EVM and then there's like Sonium and Polygon and all of these other EVM based blockchains.
So it's a lot easier for us to deploy the outpost to those chains.
And the reason is, is that every single time we have to deploy it to, well, first when we did it for base, we had to rewrite the outpost in Solidity because before that it was only on Archway and it was written in Cosmosom.
So when we go and we want to deploy it to Solana, we'd have to write it in Rust.
If we want to deploy it to Aptos, we have to do it in Move.
So it just takes a little bit more on the development front.
So from our point of view right now, the best path forward is to just hit all the EVMs first and then move into a Solana.
But there is also a caveat that Solana has more builders.
I would say they're pretty up there with they probably have a little bit more than base, but base is exponentially growing and unique developers.
So we kind of have to watch like the developer charts and then just chase from that way.
That's kind of how we approached it so far.
Okay, sounds good.
Sounds good.
Sounds good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If anyone has anything else, feel free to come on up.
If any of the guys up here have anything to chat about. Also, feel free to shoot.
Minty, I know you have your hand up, but I don't know if that's on purpose.
Nope. Sorry if you see it. I have it down, but I said my piece, and I wait for the QVC presentation.
I think we should just wire Jaden up to cold
call. It's back to the days where we
had him cold calling lawyers
day in and day out
just to find out that they all use MSP providers.
It won't be
safe for work. You'll hear
me get cold and fuck myself
a number of times.
It'll happen and it'll happen often.
That's why it's good entertainment.
It's good entertainment.
All right, guys.
Kind of seems like we're starting to die out here.
We've been at this for almost an hour now.
But I really appreciate it.
We might kind of switch it up because we get a lot more engagement on the
Twitter town halls than the discord town halls,
but the discord town halls,
sometimes we chat more,
but how do we feel about it?
Should we just take a vote right now?
How does everyone feel about the X versus the,
should we just do one?
I think we should do X. Because there's more reach.
I like X.
I see more on X.
That's it.
That is the outcome.
X is also recorded, too, and you can play it back if you miss it.
That is true.
What if I say something dumb?
Well, that'd be hilarious, then.
Then I shouldn't rewatch it.
Now you're cooked
no no we all go to jail we all go to jail all right it's also good for networking because you
can have other co-hosts maybe from other ecosystems like base and so you guys are trying to expand your
base um fin base you know if like other co-hosts that are prominent in the base you have to do
research on them but and then maybe you can
do some networking.
No, that's also ideal. We should
grab some guys from the Bass Deepin group
there, Jaden, and then
throw together some space. It has some theme
town halls.
It's better programming.
Okay.
I really appreciate it, guys.
We do this every two weeks weeks and thanks for coming out.
Thanks for being with us.
Thanks for supporting us.
And we're excited to get everything to market.
We're really excited for Respawn.
I'm really excited for Respawn.
I think it's a really good opportunity
to get data on the network in size.
So if you have any questions as always,
Discord, Telegrams, easy to reach us.
We're pretty active.
If not, just DM the Jockla account.
We'll try to get back to you as soon as possible.
Thanks, guys, and have a great rest of the week.
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