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KAi 2.0: Why AI & Blockchain?
Recorded: July 9, 2025 Duration: 1:19:45Space Recording
Short Summary
Kardia Chain is set to launch an innovative project that merges AI with blockchain technology, aiming to create a decentralized economy where users can own and monetize their AI discoveries. This initiative reflects a growing trend in the crypto space, emphasizing the importance of creativity and collaboration in driving the future of blockchain.
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Yo, what is up everyone gm good afternoon good evening wherever you are in this wonderful wonderful planet guys thanks for tuning into a very special cardia chain space uh i'm excited
to get started with this space we're going to to talk about YAI and blockchain and we're
going to talk about a little bit about Cardia chain as well. But before we do guys, if you guys
could do us a huge favor, if you guys could hit that bottom right corner, a like, a comment, a
repost, a bookmark, any little goodie would be deeply appreciated down below and in the comments,
right? Just a simple GM, your favorite emoji,
your favorite GIF, GIF, Giphy, however you like to call it. Anything down in the comments would
be deeply appreciated. We get started here. And also we'd love to hear from you. What are your
thoughts about AI blockchain? Is it needed? Is there something needed? I don't know. I don't
know. But guys, today, also guys in the speaker panel, guys, we literally have some banger, banger speakers here. And so definitely it's going to be an amazing, amazing show. But before we start, guys, I got to check in real quick with everyone, making sure we're not rugging.
wasn't bad. Not too many rugs. So hopefully everything is good. Hopefully our prayers to
Elon are succeeding, are being answered. Let me check in real quick with everyone and we'll get
started. Let me check in real quick with Ro on behalf of Kardia Chain. I believe it was Ro behind
the account today. What is up, my friend? Yo, yo, what's up? What's up, what's up, friends? And
massive thanks to you, ChinsanDX, for putting this together. Big respect to the guest speakers
joining today.
And seriously, this is an all-star crew of thinkers, builders, and explorers in their
respective space, be it in AI, blockchain, or both.
And it's an honor to be part of the conversation.
Yeah, let's go.
Let's go.
And Roy, really appreciate you hosting us.
How's your day been?
What's up?
What's new with you?
Oh, man, it's been a long day. I'm here in APEC. So, yeah, just, you know, ready to get to work,
still working and putting in the hours. So, yeah, I'm still moving along.
Yeah, let's go. Let's go. You know what? Actually, I just noticed this. I think everyone in the
speaker panel is based in Asia here. So I really appreciate you guys being here. I know it's like
nine or 10 or 11 o'clock Asia time. So man, you guys in the audience, man, the Asia builders,
man, they're serious, man. They work like 24 seven. And when things are hot on crypto Twitter,
it's nighttime Asia time. And I was there a couple months ago.
I was like, man, I don't know how people do this.
I'm hosting spaces at 2 a.m., 1 a.m.
I got to bring this energy too like this.
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
And definitely my neighbor did not like that.
But anyways, let me check it real quick with our other speakers.
And then we'll get started.
Let me check it real quick with the legend himself, Star Lordy.
Dude, welcome to the show.
What's up, my friend?
GM, GM.
What's up? Thanks for having me. Yeah. Star Lordy, Dude, welcome to the show. What's up, my friend? GM, GM. What's up? Thanks for having me.
Yeah, Star Lordy,
you're in Japan, right? No, I'm
in California.
Oh, okay. I'm usually in Japan.
I'm usually in Japan.
Hey, I'm from Cali, too.
Oh, nice. What's up, Cali?
But I'm not there.
Nice. Thank you for having me.
Yeah, let's go. Let's go. Thanks for being here, Star Lordy.
Let me check in real quick with my fellow Pudgy, the legend himself, Nat.
Nat, what's up, my friend?
Yo, TM. Thank you for having me and Cardia.
I'm excited to learn about AI from you guys today.
It's been a really good day for me.
But tonight, I'm turning to DJ. I'm going to learn and listen and talk with you guys today. It's been a really good day for me. But tonight, I'm turned to DJ. I'm
going to learn and listen and talk with you guys.
Let's go. Nat, Nat, how you been, man? It's been a minute since I feel like I've talked
to you, dude. What's up?
Dude, okay. I'll give a long talk story here. It's a monsoon season in Asia. I mean, in
Thailand. So be careful about COVID, guys.
It's kind of start spreading again.
My dad and my son got hit a few days ago.
They are good now.
But just really be careful outside.
COVID comes and goes.
Just keep your health.
Your health is your wealth, man.
Just keep it strong.
Yeah.
Yeah, that is so true.
Your health is your wealth.
That's wise words by the man himself nat but uh
yes guys please be safe wherever you are definitely uh yeah it's uh well hopefully
hopefully your kids and your dad's okay nat but i appreciate you being here yeah uh let me check
it real quick with other speakers again and then we'll get started here let me check it real quick
with mile dude wow what is up i always say you, you're a baller when you have a CryptoPunk PFP.
I'm just saying.
But Mal, what's up, my friend?
Everything is great.
Yeah, I love having a CryptoPunk just because it was one of the original OGs.
They existed before the NFT standard, man.
So, you know, when this fun one dropped in price, I was like, I want to get that one.
That one's going to be me.
So happy to have it.
Amazing, amazing.
Well, appreciate you being here, Mao.
And bringing up the Sogni account too.
Mao, does the Sogni account speak the internet
or not just for show today?
No, Sogni account's just here for show,
like being my buddy on the side here.
But everyone, check it out.
Click on this rainbow-colored moon
and learn what it's about. Love it, love it. Well, Mao, really everyone check it out. Click on this rainbow colored moon and learn what it's about.
Love it. Love it. Well, Mal, really appreciate you being here. Lastly, my good friend from
AlphaKit, I believe it's Vinny behind the account. What is up?
Hey, what's up guys? Hey Chin, thanks for inviting me. Yeah, it's Vinny today,
not Vladimir. And yeah, great to be here. Looking forward to hearing more about Cardia Chain.
Yeah, I see some familiar faces
nat i just saw nat recently also based in thailand also from california some amongst friends
and actually sogny i remember talking to you guys at token 2049 singapore last year had a
long conversation at the booth so hopefully we can do it again this year at token
that's incredible like uh i think this year's token. That's incredible.
Like, I think this year's token is going to be crazy because we have photo printers now.
And we're going to do a photo booth experience where people can line up, take a picture.
We'll AI generate some profile pictures for you and then print them out.
It's going to be rad.
All right.
A new PFP.
Awesome.
Nice. You know, also, one thing I also noticed about this panel is that a lot of the
panel is originally from california and i think only a few people are not uh that's really
interesting too but uh anyways guys really appreciate you guys in the audience for being
here and before we start guys if you guys could do us a huge favorite if you guys want to show
us some love feel free to hit that bottom right corner,
a like, a comment, a repost, a bookmark,
anything would be deeply appreciated there in the comments.
And I'd love to hear from you about this topic here.
And so, yeah, look guys,
let's get started with this topic here.
And I kind of want to just frame the conversation
about this AI and blockchain.
And I feel like the reason why I even brought
the people in this panel here,
all of them are builders,
building some really cool things
with the intersection between AI and blockchain.
And I thought we'd just have a conversation about this
because I think in the Web2 sense, right?
In the Web2 space,
we're seeing a lot of,
I mean, AI is pretty much dominating
the tech side of things
or dominating the headlines, right? Everything's AI, this AI, that AI. And now we're seeing AI creep into the blockchain, Web3, crypto. And so I'm just curious for your perspective, right? Maybe someone in the audience as well is like, why AI and blockchain? why is there benefits of merging those two together, right?
Because I feel like a lot of times people see,
especially outside of this crypto space,
like they see it very,
maybe I'm wrong,
but they see it separate, right?
AI is one industry,
blockchain, Web3, crypto is another industry.
But why you guys are doing both?
And something I'm really curious about,
yeah, about that.
And so we'd love to hear from you guys
and how I like to run my spaces.
You guys know,
if you guys have a take,
feel free to raise those hands like this.
I'm cool if you don't raise your hand
as long as we don't cut each other off.
That's cool as well.
If you guys want to tell a dad joke,
that's cool as well.
But if it's a bad dad joke,
I might need to boot you off the stage.
But if it's a good dad joke, you're going to earn those Kalo points. You're going to earn those Yaps. You're going to
earn those Cookie Dow. What else am I missing? Cookie Dow. Whatever the info file is. But I
seek up my hands here. But before I do, let me go to Ro on behalf of Kardia Chain just to hear
his take on it. And then I'll move around the panel. Ro, in your opinion, I'm curious even for you guys,
why merging AI and blockchain?
That's a good question.
You know, at Kai, for the past two years,
we've been deep into research with AI.
AI is pretty much everywhere.
But the people doing the real work,
the prompt hackers, the jailbreakers,
the workflow tinkerers and the creators,
they're not getting anything for it.
You find a crazy prompt chain,
a new style nobody's seen before,
a model exploit that actually works,
you just give a billion dollar idea away for free.
That's the gap we aim at closing with CHI 2.0.
It's not just another chain,
it's a full stack AI economy where discoveries become,
entities, royalties flow automatically
and everyday experimentation turns into an on-chain income.
So think curiosity becomes capital,
agents earn, humans own what they create.
So because of AI innovation is messy and decentralized, the rewards are actually centralized to, you know, the companies that actually own the models, right?
So what we believe blockchain gives us a neutral ground to track, timestamp and pay for discovery.
So what we're trying to do is you can finally own your jailbreak, your, and your combo style and earn when others use it.
So that's what we try to aim.
Do you feel like the difference between or why people in blockchain, like what you guys are building, go into AI is because the decentralized nature of Web3 versus I feel like AI in the Web2 sense, and this might get a little spicy but it's way more centralized like open ai um
smith journey stuff like that yeah so we think blockchain gives ai the missing economic layer
the proof the attribution and the royalties so um we think actually marrying the two actually
enhances ai as well as the usage of it yeah Definitely. It's really interesting. The decentralized aspect of just
web doing general versus I feel like in web two, right? Where like, yeah, we had open AI, right?
It was open, right? But then, you know, it used to be nonprofit, believe it or not. Right. And
now it's more like for profit as a product itself. Right. So that definitely it's a really
interesting thing there. And,. And now I see you got
your hand up. I know we've been talking a lot about this, so I'd love to hear from you.
Yeah, whenever I think of this question, why AI and blockchain, I try to think from the public
perspective, the average everyday user. And so for me, it's all about account abstraction where
you don't have to use your real identity. Second, all this AI power that
everyone's benefiting from, it's actually centralized in a bunch of private companies.
And so with the blockchain technology, particularly with D-PIN, we're able to use the compute power
of each other to provide AI services for pennies on the dollar compared to the close source stuff
without the privacy issues, moderation,
censorship, and control.
So I think it's a huge marriage that's perfect in combination.
Yeah, definitely.
Again, going back to decentralized nature,
it's like why you guys are building, right?
In Web3, right?
Even though you're building an AI platform.
I mean, Mao, I'm curious're building an AI platform. I mean,
I'm curious and I'm curious for everyone here,
but like,
why did you not take the web two route,
just build an AI creative platform? And why did you need to,
why would,
did you want to bring more like that web three element,
the token side of things and stuff like that.
And so just creating like a,
you know,
a web two platform and stuff like that.
I think the two big things is one,
we couldn't afford it to run your own kind of mid journey style ecosystem.
You need like to raise like 20 or a hundred million dollars to buy all the
compute power.
But we know that everyone's computers are just sitting around not doing
anything and we can literally pay normal people.
And so that average like gaming
pc that people have with all the disco lights that cost about five grand that thing can generate an
image in less than five seconds you know what i mean so we've paired up 950 of those now in our
in our network and we can pay them uh for them they're you know they're earning six dollars or
ten dollars some days they earn fifteen dollars a. But the average user is being able to do renders for half a penny,
16 at a time, 32 at a time.
This really blows tools like Chachapiti Dolly and MidJourney out of the water.
Everyone wins.
People win for cheap renders.
No insane monthly fees.
No monthly fees at all.
Just pay for what you use.
And then the GPU workers are earning
when they would have not earned anything.
It was just computer would be off, right?
And open source model creators
are earning a percentage of revenue.
So we couldn't do that without the deep end layer
and without crypto wallets and payments at Rails like that.
But we did create our own wallet tech
so that the average Web 2 user just goes and
and pays with their credit card or stripe and in-app purchases and they buy the tokens without
knowing what they are they just know they just need to know they need those it's just like airline
miles right i don't know how it works i just need those to do the renders right and that's the way
blockchains should work for the majority they shouldn't need to know like metamask and rabbi
and stuff yeah yes i mean, yeah, that's 100%
when it comes to like the
building in blockchain, a consumer
based product, right? Where
yes, like people should easily
sign up to things with their email,
sign up to things with what they're
used to in the Web2 sense, right? Instead of like
you said, no MetaMask, do this, sign this
contract, bridge this and that.
Because yes,
I don't think we're ever going to reach users like that. But also you mentioned something,
Mao, that is interesting. And I'm sure a lot of you guys building in AI share the same sentiment
about building in Web3 specifically with AI is the cost, right? Again, I'm not a builder,
so I don't know how much it costs to even build a platform and stuff like that or housing servers and stuff like that.
But I can imagine it costs a lot to do that.
And it's cool how what you guys are doing, what I feel like all you guys are doing, also is saving that cost, that you still can do the same thing output, but also for the users.
It's more cost efficient to use AI, right? As it's
decentralized. And also something we talked about, Mal, I think a lot of our spaces is the creativity,
right? For users, right? Especially for you guys do and where people can use AI less,
you know, red tape with, right? Or a control of what you can and cannot create. And I think that
unlocks a lot of abilities
and again, unlocks the decentralized nature
of Web3, which is really cool there.
But I appreciate that.
Take their mile.
And also, I'd love to hand the mic over to Starlody
because if you guys are not familiar,
I mean, Oniforce is one of the OG NFT projects
out there, right?
Anime projects.
I know Starlody recently and Oniforce
have been building stuff with AI.
So Storyloading, I'm curious, like, what made
you guys as an NFT project,
IP project, really
go in into AI now, right?
Merging those two.
Well, actually,
we're working on the future
of storytelling, which I
always believed is going to be AI
powered because, you know, AI has the ability to collect data or, you know, create experiences that you just can't without it, especially since we're moving towards a hyper personalized, you know, future where everything is going to be all about us.
be all about us and in terms of storytelling you want to have a way to have a direct hand in the
story so like you know in the future for instance if you're participating in the star wars universe
if you owned like the luke skywalker pfp you should be able to actually you know affect his
storyline or have input on his storyline and And I think AI and then especially with blockchain to verify and settle up on
things and provide, you know, a fly creates a perfect flywheel.
So I think AI was always inevitable.
And actually like literally two and a half years ago when the acquisition
happened, I pitched AI because I knew that that was the future.
But at the time, it seemed too costly and difficult.
And then, you know, obviously, as soon as, you know, ChatGPT and that explosion happened, I was kind of urged the entire group, like ownership group and stuff.
I was like, OK, got to go all in because it's here. You know, there ownership group and stuff. I was like, okay, gotta go all in
because it's here.
You know, there's no turning back.
So yeah, we've been all in ever since.
Yeah.
No, that's interesting.
The,
the,
of storytelling, right?
The, the, the kind of like the
evolution of storytelling,
evolution of how
IPs get built, right?
And this is something where
like the NFT meta
what was and is
and is becoming but also using AI
like I guess my question is
as I'm kind of like thinking out loud is
how does like practically AI
power that like storytelling
and like that example with Luke Skywalker
like how does AI help
people like create that
well I think for the there's i mean basically on
every level but one of the biggest things that ai can do and help a lot in terms of creativity
is um in a massive universe like a star wars universe keeping track of all the the lore and
the characters and developments and stuff is you know usually historically would be
done by like hand or by like a game engine let's say and um you know what i found with only force
the challenge that we had is that you know the dream is this like utopian idea of storytelling
where everybody gets a chance to create a story, live a story,
make it hyper-personalized. But to be honest, that's just too much work for us to keep track of
as a team. And then also the AI will allow you to evolve together because also in the future,
your favorite IP, they're going to be your best friends and they're going to get to know you.
your favorite IP, they're going to be your best friends and they're going to get to know you.
And kind of one example or one use case I use a lot, just so people could think about how profound
this technology could be, is that, you know, like, for instance, I think about the youth a lot. And
it's like, I noticed, like, for instance, my niece, my nephew, it's like, this world is like super
confusing, you know, like the reality itself is
just getting more and more confusing and so um you know kids are are are battling things like
anxiety or depression and things like that from a very early age like way earlier than than i
remember growing up and so i realized like IP itself has an even bigger responsibility towards the future.
Because when people love IP, they take that and they make it part of their personality,
right? Like if you love Batman, if you like Spider-Man, whatever, like Iron Man, you start
to make it part of your persona. And I realized like IP, we have an opportunity to go even further,
which is we could consciously make people's lives better.
So, for instance, if you're playing a video game,
the AI will know if you're anxious or erratic or depressed or, you know, etc.,
because it will know you.
And, for instance, you could create a villain,
which represents your depression or anxiety.
And then through the course of defeating that villain,
you could actually be learning the real life skills
of dealing with your own anxiety or depression.
So hopefully you could have this really hyper-personalized system
that isn't just about entertainment.
It's about making you better, making your life better.
And I think only AI can do those sorts of things
because, again, it'll know you and
as opposed to having to wait every week to go see a therapist you could just play video games with
one every day you know yeah i like how you i didn't even think of that but like that you're
highlighting the societal kind of issues we have right especially with the youth with mental health
definitely has been something that especially in the u.s right or it isn't a world not just even the u.s definitely in the u.s
though we kind of lead we kind of created mental uh what dysfunction dysfunction in a way yeah
in a way yes yes it doesn't it doesn't doesn't help with all the social media now and all these
kids like growing up with social media right again i don't know how old everyone's here but like growing up for me like social media was just
like a good to have kind of thing right which is up and coming it wasn't like the whole life yet
versus nowadays these kids ipad i whatever's i mean they literally they wake up they when they're
born they're already on social media right so? So it's definitely a different times. And it's something interesting you said, Starlody,
about IPs, right?
Even before social media happened, right?
Like the big IP that I was part of
or that I connected with was Pokemon growing up, right?
The story with Ash and going through difficulties.
Dragon Ball Z was another one, right?
Always finding positivity in dire situations.
Star Wars, I mean, I wasn't that old,
but Star Wars even, like, even for me,
like, growing up, I was a huge Star Wars fan,
like, learning from Luke, right?
Being positive, finding the good in people, right?
And something that I feel like,
not just AI, but just human nature, right?
And things that, why I think humans
connect with IP so well is the relatability
stuff right the story itself right and now we're adding that layer of ai to it right where like
you said they can literally talk to it right or learn stuff from it right it's gonna be huge it's
definitely gonna be a huge uh uh game changer i really can see that right like when it talks about
ai assistance right i also think about like in movies, you know, I'm a huge Avengers fan, if you haven't noticed. But like, you know, when Tony Stark has his like, not Friday, the other one, Jarvis before, right? And Friday was the other one. I know guys, I'm geeking out. I'm sure you guys don't know what I'm talking about. But yeah, like literally Jarvis like helped him did everything, right? And also even talked to him about difficulties or something like that, encouraged him.
And so, yeah, definitely that's something really cool to see that the power of IP where we already can relate to it, but it enhanced that with AI, right?
It's something that, yeah, it's something I didn't even think about until you brought that up, Storley.
It's really interesting there.
But, yeah, Dan, I see you got your hand up.
What's up?
Yo, I heard you guys talk about the IP, the AI, and personal branding. really interesting there but uh yeah dad i see you got your head up what's up you know i heard
you guys talk about the iep the ai and personal branding uh i just want to add up i think this
is perfect sense for for any nfts we pay over price you know you spend a thousand hundred dollars
hundred thousand dollars for the jpeg and we just keep it used for the Twitter profile for years.
And then now you can see they become videos, become pictures.
A good example is from Pachi Penguins that they have the AI that produce the Pachi in anything more than...
You have to pay artists to draw it.
Like two years, three years ago, like a few hundred dollars or some money to do it but now
uh for the branding you can make it a little bit more with the less cost and uh you can see your
apache more than just a size angle on the nft and become something movable i think i think that's
something ai come to the sense that expand imagination and you do a lot of things and that we couldn't imagine
that you could do yourself at the time. Just about that. Back to you, man.
Yeah. No, and also, Nat, I know you're part of Bython. It's funny because sometimes I see videos
that you post with your PFP or someone else's PFP doing stuff. Do you see maybe, Nat, in the future,
people can literally create, I don't know, a movie, a show, stuff like that.
I think we've already seen that.
Yeah, man.
I feel like eventually you want, I mean, even in Web3, if you're in the creators, you still want to reach to people on the TikTok, right?
To the YouTube chart, to Instagram.
I think that's our goal.
So I think in the future, maybe no Web 2 or Web 3 anymore.
It just combines all together.
But to get to that point, so that's why Biden tried to, like,
make a 3D of the penguins, make them talk, put the AI voices,
and then eventually, so you're going to see your avatar,
maybe one day, your CryptoPunk Basie anything on the TikTok
and it's become
a good cartoon
good personal branding
we're working on this
it's not easy
think about
the creator layers
that we add
the creator size
to whatever you have
and make it happen
in a fun way
yeah
yeah
but also
something that I,
because again,
it's really cool.
I really like this panel
because I feel like you guys
are all building
a little bit different things,
but also using AI and blockchain.
So it's a really amazing panel here.
And so hopefully you guys
in the audience
also enjoying this
because it definitely,
maybe it's a treat for me
just trying to pick the brains
of all these amazing builders.
But, you know,
looking at your platform
like Python, right? The question I asked Mao, why even go to blockchain? Because I feel
like I could see you guys succeeding in the web two cents of things. Why blockchain?
Dude, me as a team, I join them after I see product I want I want to join the Biden because I see what they can do with my penguins
Maybe it's unrelated directly with the AI and the blockchain
But because I have the blockchain asset to NFT it is my center pink with a sit on the
Through the profile for three or four years and they never move man
They never move, man.
They never blink
They never bling.
Except chips, right?
Why the fuck is this?
Why is this so expensive and do nothing?
So now I can tell her that they can move, they can breathe, they can talk.
They can argue with you, but they should not do that anyway.
But they can do more than just JPEG now.
And because Biden can make it happen, we can do with Pachi, Little Pachi, Boreb, Asuki.
And now, you know, it's become personal branding
more than just a PMP.
And it's just more fun to do.
It's opened the world for a lot of things.
So I think that I would say it's like AI
eventually going to come when you see it's live 24-7
on a TikTok eventually, hopefully.
But now I'm just so excited that my nfc can turn to do something
else when i just still pick your man back to you yeah yeah no that's a good point there and i think
this is where the blockchain ai it's where more specifically what you do is like the ownership
you have with your nft already right and then being able to enhance that right and that's something
where the decentralized nature of things where you actually own the assets
that you have, right?
Whether it's NFTs
or things you create on a platform like Sogni
or stuff like that.
It's like you actually can own it
and then do stuff with it, right?
Using AI.
And that's something that adds a different layer
versus I feel like in Web2,
like if you like Pikachu, right?
I feel like there's only a certain amount of
Pikachu AI stuff you can do before
you get in trouble.
Or you slap people with a copyright.
Didn't that happen? I forgot.
With Disney, right?
I think, Mao, you brought this up to me in the space.
Disney suing, I forgot who,
about something. Was it you, Mao?
I don't know.
Yeah, Disney and Universal sue uh mid-journey
for yeah the characters yeah do you know what happened they lost it or is it still ongoing
i believe these things take time so it's probably still ongoing still ongoing yeah but yeah there
you go right because again the characters themselves are owned by by these companies
right you you can't just take this character and then do things,
whatever you want,
right?
Versus an NFT that you own,
whether it's like only force,
whether it's pudgy,
whatever other things,
right?
Like you can actually like use it and create things,
right?
And then using AI enhance that character,
maybe even kind of what store load is doing with only force,
like creating a story with it,
right?
A character and stuff like that.
That is something's cool. Unlocking that creativity, like creating a story with it, right? A character and stuff like that. That is something that's cool,
unlocking that creativity,
unlocking the ability for, again,
you know, small creators to really get exposure
and stuff like that.
And so, yeah, that's really cool there.
But Ro, I see you got your hand up.
What's up, my friend?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just wanted to add, you know,
I'm hearing a lot of great things with the use of AI.
And just wanted to emphasize some of the things that we've been doing over at CardioChain
to actually converge to AI and blockchain.
And we kind of figured out a simple cycle that we call Discover, Own and Earn.
So it kind of works like this.
Everyone uses AI tools like you normally would, experimenting with prompts, building workflows,
creating cool things.
But then when you finally stumble upon something unique,
that discovery gets logged, verified, and minted on chain.
Now it's yours and you fully own it.
That's what we aim to do with our infrastructure.
Then from there, if that discovery gets used by our apps,
you automatically earn royalties.
No extra steps, no chasing credit, just a smooth path from creativity to ownership to income.
So that's one of the pillars that we're actually aiming for as we continue to build out our network.
Yeah.
I like how you said having that creativity layer, like AI enables that
and then the ownership layer, right?
Which is the,
I see the blockchain side of things
because you actually own it.
And I just thought of that video
you showed me, Ro,
about the thing that you did with Izuki
with that one character.
I forgot what it,
maybe I can,
I'm gonna try to find it,
pin it to the top,
but pretty much what I'm referring to
is like,
I know what you guys have been doing
is with that one Izuki character, you're able to is like, I know what you guys have been doing is with that one character, Azuki character,
you're able to like,
people are able to create like a hill,
like moto combat style of,
of a video.
Right.
And I'm sure you can kind of sell it,
have ownership of that.
Right.
It's something that's really cool.
I don't know if you could,
you could find that,
like character,
that video you showed me.
I think that's something really cool to see there.
And,
but yeah, yeah, definitely.
I feel like, I don't know about you guys in the audience,
but why AI in blockchain is,
AI is the tech, the blockchain is the empowerment for users,
that they can do things.
Versus I feel like in the Web2 side of things,
when AI is just AI, it's core,
again, it's more centralized and sometimes limits you of what you can and can create. Again,
those Web2 AI platforms are very powerful and very strong and do a lot of crazy stuff, right?
But then I think, I feel like the blockchain Web3 layer kind of adds that value, the next layer of
value, right?
Kind of what you're saying, Ro,
about the royalty side of things
where, again,
you don't talk about that as much
in web 2, right?
You just create it
and then if you want to use a character,
you're going to have to get the rights
and stuff like that.
And so, yeah, definitely that's something that's...
I can definitely see
why people builders use blockchain
with AI and stuff and how blockchain actually enhances AI versus just AI, its core.
But yeah, you want to add something to it?
Yeah, not only that, you know, like a lot of the stacks are actually being utilized out today by users.
You know, the real beneficiaries are the actual companies who own those models. I mean, they're getting smarter and they're able to actually enable their systems to produce
a little bit more for users or their consumers.
But the consumers are just paying to use it without actually getting anything back from it.
But the actual companies actually get the benefit of it.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, again, it's kind of like you're saying, right?
It just unlocks the possibilities, right?
With blockchain, Web3 and stuff like that.
That again, in Web2 kind of more locks it up in the sense of like being centralized and stuff.
And so, yeah.
Yeah, that's really cool there.
And guys, again, guys, I'm trying to look for that one video that I really want to show you guys. And I think I found it. I'll pin it to the top. But as I do that, Vinny, I haven't heard from you yet. I know you guys also are doing some really cool stuff using AI and Telegram. And so I'm curious, Vinny, I don't think I've ever heard this from you yet. We've been talking offline. Yeah, why create something,
an AI product with blockchain?
Yeah, I think, so we do AI infra
and we built some B-Spoke models,
universal models for some of the biggest crypto projects.
Yeah, Pudgy Penguin is one of them.
Steady Teddy's, NPC, Brett.
I think a lot of the meme gen stuff that we do which we're much more
known for i think that gets over that overshadows some of the data stuff so actually the the first
reason we we we got into um this space with ai is because ai the the financial data especially
on chain data crypto data is very conducive for um ai data analysis. So you because you have a lot of fast moving,
very dynamic information, you know, you know, millions, 100,000 of transactions every single
day across all chains. But when you're seeking alpha, which is probably the highest PMF in this
industry, right? Every user is looking for alpha, they're looking to speculate, you know, whether
it's good or bad, that that's that's what it is
right that's what people are doing um you need to synthesize uh information from different sources
so you have you know web2 sources traditional media you know news um socials and you want to
find the alpha which is overlapping you know similar information across all these different
you know modalities and then if you can confirm
it on chain, great. But to do it as a human manually, it just takes a very long time.
People try, you have your own different strategies, but we see AI as a way to amplify that.
So one of our first core innovations was something called a knowledge graph, which is a way to
graph, which is a way to aggregate data, ingest data from different sources and feed it into
an AI model.
I don't want to get too technical, but in the industry, when people want to add context
about their particular topic or their project, they set up something called RAG with their
public and private information.
and private information. A knowledge graph is somewhat similar, somewhat better. And actually
A knowledge graph is somewhat similar, somewhat better.
at NVIDIA GTC, we presented this knowledge graph called Fractal that we created. And we saw a lot
of similarities with the healthcare industry. So a lot of the healthcare companies started saying,
hey, actually, we can utilize this too, because our data is like crypto is also fast moving.
You know, in the hospital, we have all these alerts and signals from patients um so yeah on the alpha side i think it's about taking vast amounts of data
um and and combing through it finding you know far you know distant uh uh pieces of information
that are related um and doing it in a way that humans can't. And then the second thing, second highest PMF is influence.
It's promoting your projects
through visuals, through memes.
And I think for us, it was,
this is pre the new ChatGPT
where it's really good at image gen now, right?
It's called a multimodal model.
But before this,
projects really needed their own custom models that were
trained on their particular character, their particular mascot. We trained the Pengu model
on over 500 images. That's why it's so stable. And yet, I think there are limitations to both.
On the image side, we don't see ourselves as replacing the artists.
We're just kind of scaling what's already there.
We don't think AI can come up with great branding, great original IP.
That takes a lot of iteration.
It takes a lot of inspiration.
We're here to mostly scale what's already there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, sorry.
I didn't want to cut you off there but something you brought up that was
interesting about data right and how like you guys noticed like like the blockchain right things
moving fast like medical things hospital data is very similar that that is crazy to think that
there's just some some intersection between even that uh yeah i mean how was that like the
conversations with that that because that's the first time i'm hearing about stuff like that like the correlation between
blockchain data and something uh with something that's very very important very uh uh yeah very
important right is health and stuff like that yeah well nvidia gtc it's a very web 2 conference a lot
of big tech um yeah i would say it's half big tech, half AI researchers.
And then we and Near Protocol were the only crypto projects there.
Yeah.
How was that like when you were like, yo, yeah, so we do AI.
And then if he asked you more, yeah, we're kind of like blockchain.
We're kind of like crypto.
Well, I think the underlying issues and problems and gaps are the same across some of these
industries.
Okay.
So when they have a lot of data, you know, that they have to sift through and it's real
time, it's dynamic, it's always changing.
It's also high stakes, right?
Because, you know, in finance, you make one wrong assumption, you know, you blow up your
assumption you know you blow up your treasury right in healthcare that's very obvious so yeah
treasury, right?
In healthcare, that's very obvious.
it was the biggest demands for you know these tailored knowledge systems um for crypto for
finance data was healthcare fintech fund managers who are sifting through a lot of you know real-time
information you know asking researchers analysts um but, it's a very different conference than like crypto,
like token 2049.
It's very conservative,
very professional,
you know,
not as soon as right.
So it's,
yeah,
no side events at clubs.
Right.
Yeah,
exactly.
Yeah.
no scanning telegram QR codes,
right?
Yeah.
No e-girls,
right?
Yes. None of that stuff.
But no, yeah, because I always love to talk to projects
that go into these Web 2 conferences, right,
while representing their brand.
And I always like to ask them, like,
what do you say to people when you're, like,
talking to people?
Because it's different, right, than in Web 3.
Web 3, you're like, oh, I do this, I do that.
I layer one, layer two, whatever. something with the blockchain erc right versus versus in when you're
in a web 2 setting right it's totally different like what do you what do you say and i remember
i was talking to a founder he he does something with like loyalty programs uh and he has a token
and stuff powered by a blockchain and he would go to these like loyalty conferences right
and i asked him
i was like what do you what do you say like is you represent your brand he's like yo i just avoid
i just avoid crypto that i just avoid crypto i avoid blockchain the words right i just tell them
what we do right and then if they ask further maybe i'll add a sprinkle a little bit here and
there but yes i try to avoid it i came up with the best fucking answer now i'm sure you have i've been
having to fucking deal with this for three and a half years and and uh and it's funny because i've
seen every approach right like there was this uh at the first comic con i went to there was
we were there and then there was another company which is a nft company and then um there was this it was almost like satire this interview
it's it's like um it was a it was a an nft comic company started by some really prominent comic
book people the uh the guy that invented the um comixology app which is like they sold it to
amazon it's like the main comic reader anyway so he's starting this company and then this this
website's interviewing him and then he's he about like, oh, we're making digital collectibles that live forever and blah, blah, blah.
And they're like, oh, so this uses blockchain technology.
And he's like, yeah, blah, blah, blah.
And they're like, so they're NFTs.
And he's like, they're not NFTs.
And they're like, oh, OK, but you use blockchain to verify the assets and you
take crypto payment. And he's like, yes.
So they're NFTs. And they're like, they're not NFTs.
And he just kept saying it literally in the article
three times.
And so I feel like
you could try and pull the
wool over people's eyes, but it doesn't really
work. But I just recently came
up with the best
solution.
You could point out the digital collectibles,
but you just use the blockchain to settle up,
to ensure payments so that people can make it about the money.
You're just like, this is a financial tool.
You're able to guarantee that you get paid your royalties
in perpetuity for artists, for creators, etc.
This is all true.
And then also because the other point that really is in our favor now is that now that the whole world is converting to crypto, it's really easy to just add to the conversation like everything's going to be crypto.
So now this blockchain technology allows you to future-proof yourself and take payments in crypto in the future,
which your old-school point system doesn't in terms of tied to assets.
And then that changes the conversation completely
because now you're just saying,
hey, this is just a way for you to make money as a tool.
But I think it's like what I notice is people get hung up
on the collectible item itself, calling it an NFT.
Because I've been talking with a lot of Japanese IP companies about this stuff.
And they keep asking these same questions over and over again.
And the sad part is, I'll tell you guys, is what I learned is all of the companies, these top IP anime IP owners in Japan know what NFTs are.
Some of them have tried it and they've all only had horrible experiences so they all know that like they're
all scared of it that's why you haven't seen anything it's until pokemon and sui recently
which is huge huge news by the way um so you you will see. People follow the money.
As long as Pokemon does it right,
which I'm guessing they will,
and Sui,
they will make so much fucking money that every other company is going to shut the fuck up
and stop asking if it's an NFT or not.
They're just going to hope it's an NFT.
Anyways, that's my rant. But I think it is hard because in web to like people
The problem is in 2021 when it got all the attention in the world it became the most googled search term in the world
Think about that. That's crazy
Literally everybody in the entire fucking world discovered like took the time
to figure out what like they what an nft is not everybody knows but i'm saying it was the most
google search term right and so the problem is that they they looked into it and it was mostly
scammy and very confusing and i think the interest dropped and so um it's really hard from a marketing standpoint when if you manage to
get someone's attention and then they decided like oh i don't want this it's really hard for
you to convince them to want it you know what i'm saying like if you're search they're searching for
a car and they want a lamborghini and you're like a you know vw or something and they want a Lamborghini and you're like a, you know, VW or something.
And they're like, nah, I don't want that.
And you're like, keep coming back to them.
Like, no, no, you really want me, right?
Like, I'm cool.
I got fucking, you know, whatever, eco-friendly airbags and stuff like that.
You know, you just keep, and they don't care.
It's too late.
It's gone.
So I think that's what happened to NFTs.
Like, literally, nobody fucking cares about them.
So they should call them nfcs you know nobody cares and so like um i just feel like why nfcs
oh okay well there's nfc chips but anyways but i just i was like yeah i'm just saying from like uh
from just from a marketing standpoint like nfts are pretty cooked so it's hard to lead with that in web2
you know like you gotta come from a different angle yeah and totally you said you were right
now in california were you in california one of the reasons why is isn't the anime expo yeah yeah
yeah i was actually at uh i didn't go to conference but i i I met some people out there, and I was there because of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, so how does people in anime think about that?
And before you give a take, I also pinned to the top of the Jumbotron the thing I was referring to that Kardia Chain is doing.
It was really cool.
So feel free to take a look at that.
And we'll talk about that a little bit afterwards.
But yeah, so how is anime outside of Web3? Because I feel like
in Web3, when we think anime, we think
you guys, Oniforce. We think
Azuki. We think now Final Ballsuit.
We're like, oh, it's great. It's bullish.
But how does actual anime
people think about this stuff? I'm curious.
About crypto or Web3?
Yeah, crypto. Unfortunately, they're
pretty hardcore against it.
They think it's lame.
Actually, I went on Reddit to search.
There's basically nothing in the anime forums about it,
except for when the Izuki trailer came out.
I guess somebody posted it from the Izuki community.
You can see on the comments,
there's some people who are like, oh, this is cool, an nft they're like nfts you know so i think it
has bad pr because for um anime fans gaming fans comic fans who are all the people who should
love nfts the most most by the way hate that hate it some reason. I think a lot of it came from the environment part because the,
all the articles came out and then,
so then it became a kind of an environmental issue.
And so even though there's many industries that are more harmful to the
planet, like right now, then, then actually,
can I give you guys a story that I, it actually happened.
This is a true story.
This happened like a couple of months ago or whatever, right?
Do it, do it.
Because you kind of led me down this.
But so I.
Storytelling, the next verse of storytelling.
Powered by AI.
Powered by star-loading AI.
I did.
So there was a girl that I met, right?
That I matched with on a dating app, right?
And it was like one of the few girls where, like, I'm actually talking to them
and, like, kind of, like, some interest, you know,
like, in terms of building, like, meeting or whatever.
And then we have a date planned.
Like, we're going to meet, right?
And all that stuff.
And then, like, in the morning of it,
she asked me what I do.
And then I tell her I'm in like you know anime ip and and crypto
right i'm already trying to like that bro that's that's not a good way to lead it
well i know but i am and then uh and then she says oh do you do nfts and i was like
yes you know and then um or i said that i explained that only force started
off as an nft project but we do like much more than that you know like yeah um and so um
then she asked again and then and then she brought up the environment and like you know all about
all that stuff and then there was a point the
funny part is there was a point where she was like trying to give me an out like she asked her one
more time like all you gotta do is say no i don't do nfts right and and i'll show up on this date
and i had this moment where i was like do i do that or do I just stand on business for all fucking Web3 nerds and Web3 in general?
And I was like, no, I do NFTs and they're awesome. And then I sent her a list of like,
like all the industries that are currently, you know, more damaging to the planet than NFTs.
And then she goes, her response is like, well well i don't think it makes sense for you to
to to point to something else just to say your thing isn't bad and my response was like i'm not
making an excuse for myself i'm sending this to you so you know that you're a hypocrite because
you drive a car and you're into fashion and blah blah blah like you literally literally you're a
hypocrite because you are damaging the planet more right now as we speak than NFTs are. So, and then that was the end of the conversation.
So there was no date, but, uh, yeah, I was going to say, I don't think it was actually
it ended much more nicely than that. You know, she was just like, you know, it's nice to meet
you, but I can't, it's for moral reasons. And I'll spend good good school but that's how bad it is with nftpr yeah
moral reasons somebody's not going to date you you know and then i told my friend he's like yeah
you shouldn't have told her you're in nfts dude girls don't want to hear that girls don't want
to hear that unless they're already in nfts that's what i learned but um uh i thought that was a funny
story though because i was just like you know know. Oh, that's hilarious. No, I appreciate Starlighting you standing up for the industry, right?
Standing up for your convictions, for your bags.
I appreciate that.
I appreciate that.
But no, no.
I like how people are probably filing into space right now.
They're like, what the fuck is this story?
This is not AI on blockchain.
I'm sorry.
I totally went off the rails.
Why is AI blockchain?
Wait, dating apps?
Wait, what?
Well, it all ties in because this is my life, man.
This shit affects my life.
And I have to make decisions
on the daily, how do I present myself?
And you were talking about
how do you present in Web 2
and stuff, and it's crazy how it
affects every level of your life.
100%.
Speaking of anime and stuff like that
trying to i don't know how to transition but trying to transition uh i pinned to the top
of the jumbotron some a really cool uh video created by ai i know uh cardia chain you guys
were like involved with that video it's really cool like someone's a zuki uh pretty much in in like a mortal combat style art like well what involvement did
you guys have with uh in cardia to create something like like like this uh so our involvement uh we
have a really good working partnership with uh ai ai um and you know our partnership uh goes as far
as actually helping them with their ai models as well as actually building and storing those as we built the Kai 2.0 chain.
So they were one of the very first partners that actually partnered up with us to actually help build the infrastructure on the back end, as we also helped them build their agentith platform as well as their AI garden.
Nice.
Okay, so can you guys kind of like help them
kind of being that infrastructure layer for that?
Because yeah, definitely, I mean,
I don't know if you guys in the audience
watch the video right now.
Like it's definitely really like high quality
and something that I was like, yo, I want to play this.
I want to watch this, you know, whatever it is.
And also you mentioned like the Kaya 2.0 and something that, again, if you look at the title, we kind of titled it Kaya 2.0 AI Blockchain.
And maybe for someone that's just listening in for the first time, what is Kaya 2.0?
I know you guys just released, I believe, last week.
Yeah, maybe you could walk us through real quick.
What is Kaya 2.0
um yeah certainly um let me tell you why we actually built it um you know every day you
know for the past few years we've been you know experimenting with ai observing users of ai
use being a consumer ourselves right but every day you know millions of people are playing around
with it um you know you try a new, get a weird output that actually works,
maybe stumble on a trick that gets better results.
You post it, maybe it gets a few likes,
and then it disappears.
Meanwhile, the platforms take everything we're all discovering,
and they turn that into products, models, features,
and they never give credit or rewards
to the people who actually help them figure it out.
So we saw that and thought, could we actually build something that could solve that to make it fair?
So we built CHI 2.0 to try to fix that.
At its core, it's pretty simple. You find something new while using AI, whether it's a prompt, a photo, an image, a video.
You should be able to save it, prove that it's yours,
and get paid when it gets used again.
So we're calling that discovery mining.
You're already doing the work, but Kai just makes it count.
So everything you find gets saved on-chain
with a timestamp and your name attached to it.
It becomes something new home.
And when that discovery gets used by an app, a tool,
or even an AI agent,
you should automatically earn from it, right?
It's not about the money or chasing the money.
It's about fairness, right?
And what we aim to do is flip the system and say
if you discover it you deserve a share of it so just to be clear this isn't about turning everyone
to tech experts you don't need to know how to code if you're using gpt or image models or anything
else ai related you know you can find something you find something cool kyle to capture that so uh that's you know
the vision of what we had for actually building this infrastructure where we're actually putting
the ownership back into the creator um and making it fair yeah and how does that work when it comes
to like you mentioned like you could earn when you discover things or, yeah, if you explore things. How does that, like, the earning mechanism work?
Yeah, so we actually have an economic stack.
It's the three, the tech stack or the three-layer stack.
We actually have a consumer app, which will actually,
we're going to launch our flagship app soon.
But a consumer app right now that's currently out as an example is AI AI.
That produces the AI twins as well as Soma, and then the AI Garden, which is almost like an Instagram of AI.
These consumer apps will still utilize AI models that will be connected to our backend,
which will actually be Chi 2.0,
which is the ownership registration piece.
So as things are being created and being discovered by others to utilize,
these things are actually minted as a discovery NFT. And then as they're found and leveraged and used the more that is used
that person who owns that NFT
will actually get a reward from it
or get paid for actually the use of it
at a high level
yeah
no that's pretty cool
that is definitely pretty cool
you guys are also putting those consumer apps
and stuff like that
and again guys I pinned to the top of the jump and show in that video it was created by one putting those consumer apps and stuff like that. And again,
guys,
I pinned to the top of the jump on that video.
It was created by one of their consumer apps,
AI AI,
which is like crazy.
Like,
honestly,
I don't know about you,
Nat.
It'd be cool.
Our penguins could do that somehow fight each other.
I mean,
you're going to win because you're a bigger penguin,
but yeah,
definitely that's going to be really cool.
And then NFT layer to it,
ownership.
Yeah,
definitely.
It's going to be really, really cool. But also like maybe people are ownership uh that yeah definitely is gonna be really really
cool but uh also like maybe people are just curious right they watch the video right they're
like yo like yeah i kind of want to kind of want to learn more about this and get involved like how
where would people go to uh to to to explore more about the cardia chain and stuff like that? It's going to be, to explore more, it's going to be at
KAI.now,
so KAI now,
to learn more.
We actually have our consumer apps available there
and we are working on our other
models as well.
If you want to keep up to date, you can either follow us
on our Twitter
account or actually just simply go to our website
and actually learn more.
Nice.
And it's the link in the bio,
I believe it is, right, for the Kai now?
It is.
Okay, awesome.
So feel free to take a look at that.
And also I pinned to the top about Kai 2.0.
If you guys want to learn more about it,
feel free to take a look at the top of the Jumbotron.
But guys, it's been a really, really fun,
entertaining, insightful space today.
We got a chance to learn a lot about
the intersection between AI and blockchain.
So definitely it's been a,
I don't know about you guys,
but definitely it's been really insightful for me.
And also we got to learn a little bit
about Star Lordy's dating experience,
stuff like that.
So that was really interesting too.
That really made my day as well.
But guys, again, guys,
thank you so much for being here.
I highly encourage you to follow
all these chats here in the panel.
I know Mal had to leave,
but yeah, I really encourage you
because they're really doing
some really cool stuff in AI,
whether it's NFTs,
whether it's doing stuff with Telegram,
with stuff that Kai is doing as well so i highly
encourage you uh to follow all these legends and also follow the cardia chain uh x account as well
if you're interested and turn your notice on for more updates about the consumer apps and stuff
like that and how you could earn uh an nft and stuff like that again guys thank you so much for
this space it's been definitely like i said before very very
insightful space and very entertaining space as well and so hopefully you guys were entertaining
and gain some insight about this because i really believe like yes ai again it's a very web two thing
but like the added layer of the blockchain of the ownership of the decentralization really gives
the power of ai to the hands of the decentralization really gives the power of AI
to the hands of the creators, right? That we can create things. And so it's really going to cool
to see how these guys, the thing they're building out will pan out in the future. And so, yeah,
definitely, again, really appreciate this conversation. Guys, hope you guys have an
amazing, amazing day or week or night or afternoon ahead and week and weekend, hopefully.
And then we're just going to close out this space.
But before we do, actually, Will, I would love to actually hand the mic over to you
for any closing thoughts about the topic we discussed or any last things you would like
to say to the community before we close out.
Yeah, sure.
Thanks to Vanda Irvan who tuned in.
Thanks for the guest speakers and thanks for hosting it, Jin.
Very great at it.
Hope to be part of other spaces with you soon.
This moment we're in,
where AI is becoming foundational and
blockchain is finally proving real utility,
isn't just about tech,
it's about building new systems that actually recognize
contribution, creativity, and curiosity.
At CHI, we're not just watching the AI economy evolve,
we're laying the tracks for it.
If you're experimenting, discovering,
and breaking things or building new workflows,
you belong here. Let's turn exploration into ownership.
Let's make curiosity pay and appreciate the time,
the energy, and the vision from all the guests today. Let's keep curiosity pay and appreciate the time, the energy, and the vision
from all the guests today.
Let's keep building
and we'll see you on chain.
Let's go.
Let's go.
We'll see you on chain.
Love, love that closing vault.
With that, guys, again,
hope you guys have a great
rest of your week ahead.
We'll see you next time.
Peace.
Host
KardiaChain
from
Kaidex
