Hey guys, how's it going Ron I sent you a invite I
I figured I'd pop on real quick because I didn't figure y'all could hear the music again
It was Pepe yes, sir. Good to see you here, buddy
What's up, I was uh, I didn't see the request cuz I was busy shilling the link around no, that's fine man
if you need to go ahead I just I
Kind of like it when the music will play for a few minutes, but if the music's not gonna play
I don't know why we need to figure out what's going on with that
It'd be a nice addition to have that going on whenever people join in
I know it's crazy because I can hear it
I mean when I start the space the music comes on and I'm sitting there listening to music
I didn't realize you know until the last time that I'm the only one that can hear it. Nobody else can
No, we definitely see we can do about that. That's weird that happens
Yeah, and I was actually gonna jump on my computer real quick and start some music and I come flying in the door
Computer and it just decided to like reboot and so so I couldn't have the music
Yeah, that's that's horrible
Yeah, I mean like I was saying that would be a nice addition though nice chill music to just as people you know
Sprinkle in you know first couple minutes
But I'll go ahead and I'll show the link around a little bit get some people in here, and we'll just hang tight
If you want to try to maybe play something to your phone speaker, it might sound all right
Can hear you yeah, okay, sorry
Let me I'm trying to my son's decided. He wants to start calling me back to back to back. I
Hate getting a call whenever it just mutes everything me too
And that's what he was doing and of course I was trying to text him and of course you know
He's got a call like seven times in a row, so I can't even I
Can't even tell him well tell him tell him Kadena comes first. That's right
What's up, Hank, how you doing? How's your day? What's going on? Oh rather easy. Yeah
Up here in West Virginia the weather's been like on its period lately. It's weird. I don't make up its mind
Like two days ago. It was like 30 degrees not today. It was like 53 and sunny
Yeah, that's that sounds like down south
Yeah, I woke up probably being in the 50s, and it warmed up to the 80s
80 degree day. I mean I'm I'm jealous
Is it human is it humid down there whenever it gets that hot like in the winter is it humid not typically
Unless there's a lot of rain in the area
But usually I don't I gotcha
Hey, I remember I remember we never we got off the plane for cyberpunk. We're in Fort Lauderdale
This was in September, so it wasn't that bad either
We showed up at the house that we were renting and dude. I hated it number one it started
raining like torrential downpour like freakin Katrina shit just out of nowhere and
It was like 80 90 degrees to dude
And like it was just so sticky and muggy and humid out like I thought it was humid up here
No, it's like this the humidity can stay below like
7060 it's usually pretty damn nice, but once you start three and shouldn't you know the 80s man just gets worse and worse
Well, you're you're not too far from like Tampa area
Pretty much West Tampa. Yeah, I know. I know
Raining whenever the fuck it wants like this out of nowhere
Well, that's what happens like a lot of rain clouds. They'll just build up over land or they'll build up right over the Gulf
And you know you start having your evening showers and stuff
Hell it'll be sunny out and it'll be raining sunshine, right?
Yeah, dude our last day there we went to the beach and it was um
Completely cloudy and like gray outside and I burnt worse than I ever have. Oh
Yeah, those are the worst days when you got overcast out
Yeah, exactly. I'm good cuz overcast actually amplifies
You know take a guy like me from a freakin
Fix, you know up here in Appalachia, you know, I don't go to the beach much
So, you know, I had to learn that lesson the hard way. I
Told you you did I won't say you didn't
And then I even gave you the remedial for all the two
Indeed I'm uh, I'm jumping in a telegram now
I'm gonna show this link around to get some people in here that people know we're starting
Hope Mike can drop by this Thursday. It'd be a nice addition
Did uh, any of you guys make this case earlier with flux and the leafy um and
Ergo, yep, definitely made it
You know, that was cool if they did that I like
That kind of a little bit of a beef and rival where you turned into all them doing like a cross project space
Were they supposed to be there? Yeah, really?
Casper was another show. I
Mean, what do you expect?
All right, where else can I send this I tagged the Wizards Kevin did you tell them names to get the hell in here?
Hey, can you hear me? Yeah, you driving
Well, I know that phone call from my son came through and it's his truck won't crank and his battery's dead at the school
So I'm having to multitask
Mike and hope that I don't lose space. Well, you might be replacing an alternator Kev
Yeah, I've got to take my meter I've got to determine
Whether it's the battery or the alternator you'll see which one's called
How many times does it happen or is it just started this
Yes, this is the first time I started when's the last time that I was changed out
It's probably been a couple of years. Well, it's probably ready that if it's been a couple of years
It's three or four. Yeah, it's probably ready batteries all list last like they did. I
Know usually here it waits till you know, we have a cold spell then it gets cold and your batteries
It's always gonna do it when we're in the middle something yeah, you know it
Yeah, which I was talking about the humidity in the
Rain and stuff dude. It's it's the same way here like when when we get into the summer
You know if it's it may be a hundred and five and we can help, you know 95 to 100 percent humidity
You can get out of the shower and you can't draw off because you're still sweating. Yeah
You gotta go lay on there a fan for like 10 minutes hoping you're dry oh you do
Well, when we get into July and August man, I'm out, you know, I'm out working doing
Might do a yard or two and then I've got to go hydrate
Sit the truck chill out for a little bit and then go do a couple of yards and then go
Hydrate sit in the truck for a little bit just to make it or
Shut off in the middle of the day and go back in the evening and try to finish when it's a little cooler. I
See, uh, we have a mirror in the house now. It's up a mirror. What do you got going on? Hey
Some more filters and sorting and I'm gonna add searching for the little
Tax look up to me. I think
Spreegees making it look prettier
So it'll it'll not be as painful on the eyes but
That and I've been working. I was actually in the stream today, but instead I chose to just work on
So now in the telegram bot, I haven't shared it
I'll probably share it with you soon, but you can create your own game characters now
Just using AI and some other rules I put in there. So it works
just got to get a little bit more a
Little bit more in there to do as much as I can to make it as
clear as I can but this actually is a little bit easier than the the mentor cuz you only got a supply a
Prompt and a name so you can name your character and then throw a prompt in there and you get a character made
So that was pretty pretty pretty easy
Once all the hard stuff was done
Yeah, I spent a big chunk of my day on the screens too
I was messing around with Ron decks because I've been I don't know why I put off doing it for like months on end
And then here lately I just had this drive to do it and I've been making big big steps
like I just figured out how to connect a wallet, but now there's another thing that's
kind of a big learning curve for me and
What sucks is like everything I've done to this point is it's just putting something on a website
which was hard for me to learn at first, but I got through it and now it's like
Like I guess I've kind of looked past like some of the things that like some of these dApps on Cardina do like in
Their UI and UX because like now it's like okay
if you are logged in then show these buttons and if you're not logged in then show this button and like
that's starting to get really
Another thing I'm trying to work on is like
making like a like a pretty input button for like whenever someone wants to swap from like wizard at KDA and
Like having it like automatically calculate the price and how much you get back
and then I got to figure out how to send transactions and stuff and so, you know, I'm uh,
I'm not gonna say I've bit off more than I can shoot cuz I've said that before
But it's uh, it is a mouthful. Oh
So when you're looking up that type of data and when you're kind of going through that process it it's not
Simple, right? It's not like a simple thing and there's there's some things you need to take into consideration
There's slippage. There's all sorts of little things you need to consider and I think echo decks. I
Think they all their codes
Public right? It's all open source. So all the math you would need is probably in there
You know, the other thing you could do is build a wrap it you can build a wrapper contract in packed and
Simplify it so you could basically take their more complex
Set up and probably simplify a little bit. But I that might actually be for me. I might consider that but I
Think maybe for you reading what they're doing and following that first might be a the path of least resistance
Well, I'll tell you what they have if you go to the echo wallet
Website they have a doc site right and so I clicked on echo wallet API and I think it was an API like
Whenever I hear API, I think graph QL now because that's really the only thing I've worked with because Katie swaps is a graph QL
That's what I know. That's what I work with. And so I was looking through the echo wallet docs
And I was like, what the hell does this stuff even mean? Like where do I do this?
How do I do it? And eventually this blew my mind. I
Had a Lario gave me a JavaScript file that he uses for Wizards and I had no idea how to use that either
So I sent that entire thing to chat GPT
Then I also copied the entire website for today for echo wallets docs
It's about to chat GPT too. And I was like, here's the docs. Here's a file
Make it do this for me and it actually worked to my surprise. It actually worked and like so
Getting echo wallet to connect to the site and disconnect that GPT did it perfectly spot-on
And it really surprised me because any time I asked chat GPT about anything Kadena or pack or anything like that
It's clueless. It gives me the dumbest stuff ever
And so like it really blew me away that uh
That actually worked, but this is something I told Mike
I think two weeks ago on KDA Thursday is that
If there's an AI like language model out there that knows past and is familiar with this stuff
that is huge for developers in my opinion like that's
That would solve a lot of stuff for people. I think I I would actually
I disagree with you. I think that knowing how to run
How to run a prompt to ask what you need versus fundamentally understanding complex blockchain
Dangerous position if you're gonna actually rely on that to build smart contracts
I think for connecting it to front ends and doing some basic stuff
But it cannot and you know
And and what I'd be more afraid of is that people skip the learning phase and go right to that and that's
To me that's kind of destructive
Yeah, well, of course, you know, I would always say that you should
Test it and maybe even audit it make sure everything makes sense and that it's safe
But you know that kind of brings up a topic like
sometimes I wonder if things like launch pads are even good for an ecosystem because
They make it easier for people with bad intentions to launch something. I'm just kind of like your
You're an FT tool where you could just launch a collection, right?
Like and that's not bad, but it you know, it's part of the topic
I think we've talked about this before where like
It makes it easier for anyone to launch it launch a token, right?
Yeah, it does it does and
It's uh, it's interesting it's I
Where you can separate the two things is I build I built, you know, my token contract
I took an existing one and then I basically chopped up a bunch of it and made it the way I wanted it
And I and obviously I know how to do that, right?
So that's because I've taken the time to go through the docks. I understand it. I still get tripped up once in a while
Most of the time if I try to use GPT to help me with anything
It's it's more for docs for this stuff. It it struggles like if you if you send it some of my code
It just effing struggles and it's funny. I sometimes I like to do it when I'm mad at it
but like it's really cool for writing tests and
And doing things that I don't want to do and you know
It actually does a pretty good job of explaining code and things like that
But I feel like it just creates a lot of bad habits because if you actually use their code
It's creating really bad habits for you, too. And so like the difference I would say is
Like me who maybe has a little bit more experience in others, right?
There's others who are definitely better pack coders of me and say someone one of them
Builds the template for the token generator, right? So, you know the person who built it
Did XYZ now what I would say is go to chat GPT
Right if you want to deal with that path and kind of learn and and have it explain to you what the contracts doing
how it works and then say all right now I'd like to implement like
I'd like to implement this and launch it and and I think it can help you with that and then maybe you want to
Connect it to your front end and do what we're doing and let people deploy these contracts
I mean you could potentially get to do something like that, but I think the underlying
Like critical components with us if you could have it audited
I'm sure that that would suffice the question is can you fix everything right comes up in the audit?
But those are the two like those are how I see it like it's got a purpose and I don't disagree that it's it's useful
For certain things I feel like packed and solid like if if salinity developers are using this
God help us all right because it it warns you that the code is not secure. It's just it's just not and so
That's always my concern and I think that the concept of caps capabilities and all that stuff is lost on it
So I just I I just get nervous right it. I don't I'm not knocking it. I love I love chat GPT
It does a lot of stuff for me very quickly
But I'm not gonna lie it it makes me nervous
100% um well are you familiar with the
GitHub co-pilot you ever use that
You know I I actually tried it early on and I was just telling sterling this like a couple streams ago
I want to retry it I use a
Tab 9 Pro. I love I love that
I love tab 9 I'm maybe cuz I'm just used to it
But I've seen him use co-pilot, and I'm like holy cow that looks better
So I actually want to integrate it back into I use VS code for most of my coding and
So if I could actually I don't actually have any like other than it suggested it does my code style and it it quickly
You can pull together functions and stuff. I don't like a lot of the auto generation stuff
I actually find myself modifying it
But it does help like a paragraph of code, and I have to change like three lines out of 12
I'll take that every day versus having to write all 12 from scratch
But it learns it's pretty smart, and I do I do really want to train co-pilot again though
I haven't tried it out now for anyone who doesn't know github co-pilot. It's like it's github's
AI tool which I guess will
I guess it'll train it will train itself based on how you code and what you're doing and I guess attempts to finish it for
You or I guess finish sections is that correct Amir
Yeah, and and though the reason I I stayed away from it for a long time is because they basically use github data
To train it, and I think that's just
absolutely crazy that they can use all that that code to train it it just seems like a
Like a violation of me. I it's more person
That makes sense to see we got a with the TSN was up here you kept trying to join
I'm not sure what happened with that we have the SDK account up on stage. I'm assuming this is Kyle
Well we'll say what's up, and I guess if they come back, but anyway
Amir so I guess what one thing I wanted to say before we got in that little conversation
Was I know you've heard it time and time again, but you and squeegee make a hell of a team
So I'm really looking forward to this tax tool, and I don't think I personally need it
but I'm definitely gonna play around with it because I know that like I think it's gonna save me sometimes whenever I'm trying to
find some transactions because like
All right the Explorer sucks, okay, our explorers are horrible right like whenever I try to find anything
It gives me a complete headache I
There's just certain things. It doesn't do
Like a BSC scan or like a poly scan or something like that
Like where you can actually see like contract addresses and like a like a page for a token and stuff like that
Which is why or yeah, very well, it's wild because it it's there and
I mean, it's like it's it's probably just like a feature thing they need to add but like all that stuff is
very very simple to add it's it's interesting what what people pick and don't pick to add to those things, but
Well, it's like you know I've went through this with Hank before to
If you're ever trying to find something on the chain rep Explorer like the official Canadian Explorer
And so you look up an account you want to see their transfers
It's only gonna show you KDA and so what you have to do is there's no button for this
You have to manually go into the URL and change coin to like free dot was a for example
If you're looking for wizard and like that's not
User friendly I would say like it's very easy
But I would say majority of people don't realize in certain things that oh I can just change a part of the URL
To change what it's doing, you know
We have a quick change of topic I see we've had two people from unit
Up and coming Kadena project in the crowd
I'd like to maybe get one of them up here maybe get some updates from them see what they got going on
I think that'd be pretty cool
What do you say Amir I didn't want to steal
I didn't want to steal their thunder, but I assume their their tweet was something around getting approval to get the app out there for testing
If they if they requested get up here, I won't steal their sunshine, but it is it is pinned up here guys up here on the banner
It's looking pretty slick based on the picture. They said
It says we have just submitted the unit dap to Apple and you know what sorry about this says test flight for review
All right. So guys if you want to give me some test flight access
I'll send you my email. I'm more than happy to do some testing
Test flight for Apple. Yeah
Yep test flights like I think we talked about this last time a little bit test flights app
You can download you can get access to builds before they're approved for like
The links wallet gave me a test flight access to one of their builds
Just to make sure it wallet connect and the wizard spell upgrades were working and all that stuff
So I'm not seeing any requests from either of them
All good, if not, I see Kevin's life reacting, but he's just over there freaking working on a battery. So shut up Kevin
Yeah, it was the battery the alternator was good, but I had to pull my jump box out and get him jumped off and these
Yeah, we're still trying to fight some issues, but I'm headed back home now, there we go and look at that
We have a request from someone from the unit
I'm looking forward to this
All right, they're connecting waiting for them to get up here
We also have TSN up here TSN you want it you want to say a thing or two while they're connecting
I think TSN is gone now. I'm not sure what just happened. We still have I believe it's Mikko from
Unit connecting I'm not sure what's happening. I might my connection might be taking a shit. Can you hear me Hank?
Yeah, you're good man. All right, so it's his thing just says connecting for a long time now
Says they're a speaker whenever I swipe up. I'm not really sure what's happening with that
X really knows how to piss me off with these spaces. I mean, I swear it's like one in ten spaces actually work
Did that intentionally run us for you
Yeah, that's they just put something in the code base saying if it's Ron's fun then make it fuck up
All right, so I don't I mean I don't really want to do I mean I guess we could
Does does it just say connecting for you Hank? Do you see that?
It shows me a sense back. It shows that there's two requests, but I don't have them listed
TSN this one there. Can you hear me now? Yeah, we can hear you now. Here's TSN
Well TSN what you got going on how was your day? Oh
So I was part of the same organized in the last space we have today so a leafy and
Okay, when the others so getting all those people together taste better work
Is it that uh, Casper was supposed to be there but they didn't show up no, that's what I was gonna correct earlier
I forgot to invite Casper. So that's my fault. I'll think that's my about
We have Mikko up here now finally he connected what's up am I saying that right? Yes, you are. Can you hear me guys?
Well, you want to tell the Kadena fan what's up what you guys got going over there at unit
Are you guys getting close to a launch?
Yes, no more so or ruggin, yeah, I mean you just can't make this up guys
And there we go welcome to X well guys you can't blame my Wi-Fi this time I
I know maybe it's mine. I don't know. Thanks or Elon
Could be that I mean it could just be that I'm bad luck and you know me being here is messing up
I could try to leave it real quick and see the fixes
I don't know. Maybe he'll try to back out reconnect. I think they already did that. No, no, it's it's uh, it's frustrating
Yeah, I figured we could we could talk about Ron wolf she's winning everything
That's it. She won her a license. She did win a crank license or when you want
Romulff and I have kind of turned into this like
Giveaway bandits where we'll team up and go into these spaces where they're like
Oh, if you ask questions and speak and whatnot, then we'll
Give you something and we've actually made by pretty good now. We're just coming into these spaces. I'll jump up there
You know, I mean, I I'm a loudmouth. Okay, so I'll jump on any stage and I'll say anything, right?
And so it's not it's not that hard for me to get up and ask some kind of question that I
Really don't care about much. I'll just be like, oh, hey, what are you doing with this? And they'll they'll they'll take it
That's funny, but yeah, yeah, yeah, so, um, I guess uh, I guess Ron love had won that license and
Now it's now in my hands guys
You have me go back. All right, you're back. Yeah for for a few seconds
All right, let's try it again
What do you got going on? How is your day? I'm good. Good. Thanks. We're trying to get
Going with test flight and and Google Play just first internal testing and then trying to do like closed beta and and so on
Yeah, we're finally finally getting there. So
So, let's see how the approvals and everything goes. Do you guys already have like a like a beta group selective?
Not really, I mean just a just a few people at first and I think we're going to then sort of
Get more people so definitely if you're interested let us know and you can
Yeah, I don't know what Beckham. I know what what's what's the best way to
to sign up, but yeah, just send us a message and and
We'll be happy to have you as a beta testers. I will do I love testing stuff and just as a just as a warning guys
I'm known to break stuff to the Hank as well
Yeah, if you want it broke hook Hank up he will I'll break it yeah
Normally, I'll just crash
He comes on over there with UK and he breaks. I'm sweating already
It's better to break it now than later, right? Right completely, right?
I don't think I haven't been anything where I have not broken it for once
Yeah, I remember one day swamps was letting me try something out and I like broke like four different things in a row on their website
And by the end of the day squeegee was like pretty much like leave me alone and stop finding stuff
Yeah, it really is better to find it now
100% I mean that's what these things are for right? I mean, that's what beta testing is all about it is
Yeah, you want to find it and fix it and break it now fix it in that way, you know
When you go live, you don't have problems
Testnet and not when we're in Maine
Mean, it's just test, you know test tokens and and testnet code and so on we can all still change it quite a lot of
Fix stuff and so on and when there's like maybe a dozen or 20 or 30 people it's it's still manageable and yeah
But the of course it's always best when when there's people who sort of know
How it's supposed to work
In the beginning and then of course later
People who don't know how it's supposed to work and we can actually test the UX
Because we're at users who are not necessarily
So into blockchain, you know
And so so the UX should be
Sort of self-explanatory and you don't have to be like a crypto
Enthusiastic what's going on? That's that's the approach. Anyway, that's what people talk about all the time
Is that kind of user experience where you know, you're interacting with a blockchain. You don't even know that you're doing it
Yeah, I'm just gonna say I'm just good back online now
I think the entire the entire conversation go from like web 2 to web 3
Now I was gonna say I broke WordPress for flux so many times
It's probably why it took 12 months to get out of beta
No, my well, yeah most my fault but that's a cross communication piece, how do you fix that?
How do you make that that user experience easier in the future?
Mikko, I kind of a more question for you guys. Are you so what's the deal with the token?
Are you guys is the token on test net?
Are you guys kind of waiting for the long of the app to be out to do like a token launch?
Yes, the token is on test net and
It's pretty basic your usual
Cadena based token and and and then we're when we're long when we launched like the production version then we go
Live on mainnet or maybe a little bit before that
Not sure yet. What timeline is but let's let's first test it on testnet
Thoroughly and and then we'll see so of course
On well, yeah, I don't want to get too ahead of you because I was gonna ask if you guys have discussed like presale
They're fair launch or anything like that. Yeah. Yeah, we're discussing those and I'm glad that people are
At least a few people are enthusiastic and interested in in it. So always makes of course nicer to launch
So at least there's somebody who's paying attention
There's so many others. There's always people here in Kadena
You know, we're looking forward to it
Yeah, I guess first we want to of course bring in like the Kadena community
which has to already been very helpful and and and and
And and community so so that's where we are aiming at first and then later broader audience
As per the next question is
How do you bridge with the kid in a community? How is it integrated into the Kadena Rika system?
That's yeah, that's a good question, I think
of course, we are about content delivery and
Cindicating your content for tokens. So we hope we at least
Bring in first some people who are
Who are sort of writing about maybe Kadena?
Plugging about today and on that sort of stuff. So maybe they could first start
Bring their content into the into our application and just I guess
Well, of course, we don't really know how people are going to use our app. So that's that's one thing
so and what they expect so we're trying to get like an MVP running and then
to to the ecosystem what people actually want and and
They they would want to see so it's it's very difficult to know in the beginning
Like what what the use cases are going to be eventually and and how it will fit the ecosystem
Yeah in that gathering period at the moment
Which you don't mind as long as you gather an Intel as long as you're not gathering critter. So but
What do you see the sort of transition between you going from your MVP to your
Your next product to the next product and growing Eureka system out
So at the moment say you're gathering what you what you use is one and what you want to deliver
But how do you build that out
How do we build like the next version you mean
Yeah, you throw map and your ecosystem and what you want to do and what you want users to do
Well, I guess we start with very simple use cases at first and and then like how we see the
The current landscape what's missing and and how we want to bring in users and what the first user group will be
but then eventually I think
Listen to the feedback and see
If there's way to integrate
You know into the kadena ecosystem
Well be and how to get more users
Into it and also how to bring more users, of course to the kadena ecosystem. That's also what we want
of course, but the you know the whole whole
Kadena blockchain and the whole pack technology would be
More or they say more known more mainstream
beautiful the true apps like like ours, so so
You know, we're we're trying to reach a wider
community a wider user group than just like I said just like crypto enthusiasts and
You know saying that this built on kadena build on packed and everything
That will also spread the message and bring more people into the ecosystem that will of course benefit
the whole whole whole kadena ecosystem and technology and since we are pretty pretty
At least I want there to be more and more developers
Who could even help us and and so the technology will be will be?
What's the word more robust I mean it's robust
Technically now, but but just to get like more adoption
More developers and so so that's I think that's like the the bigger picture. I
Think so too. I think most of us can agree that we need more daps and more builders and I'm currently in the process
I'm going from not knowing anything about technology at all to
Now I know how to build websites now. I'm starting to learn packed and I think that
You know I think I want to help other people who haven't even looked at packed
maybe try to learn it and try to
You know build some cool things because you know there's a lot of people here who are super passionate about kadena
But and I think they have good building ideas, but they don't have anyone there to help them build and so I mean
I've been building web apps for over 20 years, but but still learning like blockchain and and learning practice
It's not like just building a website
It's back. Yeah, and with the whole mindset and how to think about it is quite different
So so yeah, definitely that I'm and I'm happy to see that with with the new kadena
There's more emphasis on on the learning and the and the DX
It is great. I think because we definitely need more more developers
Of course, and you know it's almost kind of like kind of like they say if you build it they will come
Not in the sense that they feel kadena and that the builders are going to come but
That if you build good depths here, then more holders will come and more people will be around here in the ecosystem
And so I think that a lot of people would agree that that's a main focus is we need to get more builders around here
And once they're in here keep them in here give them good docs give them good relationships with the team
You know a good dev experience and dev relations team and experiences is really what's needed around here
Well, so real quick I had a question I heard you say I've heard you guys describe a unit but
I'm kind of a visual learner, so I'm not gonna understand it until I see it and play around with it
Know TSN. He does like some articles and some blogs
I don't know if he still does that so if you guys are focused around like content delivery and stuff like that
is that something that maybe kind of like a I
Guess like an influencer kind of like TSN could use to you know monetize their content. Yeah
I can put you in the right direction because I'm
I'm I'm more more more working flux at the moment, so I'll be
Yeah, that's the great. I mean yeah, I think
the sort of first group of users that would
Utilize unit would probably be
What influencers especially crypto influencers who want to monetize their content and
Were a few of the only ways to monetize your content is right on medium
From my perspective what I'm looking at for you at the bayman is I'm looking from a flux laughs perspective
Are you a viable content would you be I?
Can it progress in something that could be spot-by flux laughs?
Kadena or a cross come glummer at them all where where you fit
Think now we could have the discussion that on that maybe later without with the other team members
Word kind of like the synergy it might
Well guys, I know that for one
I'm super excited for all of it to come and let's can think of you know
Maybe a couple people you could reach out to to test that dare. I say I think I've seen that Ryan Matta
you know guys you might hear some
Some spooky sounds when I say that name, but I believe that they have just built a new KDA studio studio
And they're gonna be back to content creating and I know a lot of people really appreciated that
Unit might be something that he could utilize
So you know that there's definitely
I'm looking forward to it is all is all I'll say and you know we won't put you on the spotlight too much more here
I'm just listening finding good projects out of the blue. I thought I listened in for
Nice to be nice to be on on air for a while. Thanks
Well, I'll tell you what you should think you see that Mike Heron parody count down there. That's one of my buddies
I'm not gonna tell you who it is
But they just recently DMed me and they said hey ask unit when they're launching and stuff so that gave me the idea
So you can thank the Mike Heron parody for getting you up here
What's the best way to reach out to you guys hope to meet you guys live
Yeah, 100% maybe cool. I think we're all planning to go back down to cypherpunk in September
It'd be cool to you know see some new people down there, too
Was about to say something
Hey Mico, what's the best way to reach out to you?
Channel, which I am very bad at following
I guess the best way would be just to email at Mico
Can make a drop in a lot Richard one on flux that I have
You guys in your fancy emails, I need something that's like Ron at some company website
Actually, there's some website called improv them X where you can take like a normal email like
Something that gmail.com and then change it into like a domain
So I I do have Ron at Ron decks out XYZ, but it's not you the actual
Company website type thing that other people have going on. It's just awesome
like I know I was emailing Mike and Mike has the mic at Kadena dot IO and
It's just a professional look Hank. We need to get you one of those two
All right, cool if you want to know I set up give me a shot
Could you get me Ron run on flux?
But if you want your exchange it comes that you'll be already has changed
Well, hey, it's a worth a shot the worst you could tell me was no
But um, well cool guys, I'm glad that we could start off the space here doing a little bit of networking, right?
Now Mico is gonna have some emails to send and look at check out for it could be a beneficial for them
And cool you didn't even but you well anxious in the audience and you didn't even invite him up
I mean, I'm gonna send an invite right now. Here's the first one. I'm gonna send an invite right now
I'm gonna send an invite right now
I'm gonna send an invite right now
I'm gonna send an invite right now
I'm gonna send an invite right now
I mean, I'm gonna send an invite right now. Here we have SGK. What's up is I believe this is Kyle. What's up?
Yeah, sorry as soon as you said my name earlier
Yeah, you're still rugged pretty good
That really sucks I hate that feeling too whenever you just keep trying to talk and I won't let you know
I'm sorry. I think I might have cursed you by saying your name. I think by saying Kyle
I cast a spell on you and now now you're
It's possible I heard that clear
That invited action up here
If you want to say a few things if you want to get up here and get on our nerves
Like he does every week, you know, he's gonna want to do that. Yeah
Maybe he'll give us an update about Tempe or something or we can
No, yeah, I'm actually quite impressed because I've been to see them
I'm bet them and I met them in Berlin
I'm sorry punk. So I'm doubly impressed
I'm drew is a bit of a wild character. I must admit but the guys passionate and
Suspected I want that data
Because that that decentralized data is
Mean data is the new gold. I
Would argue that that date is a commodity
And we're never gonna have been uh, I guess you call the data rush right now where you know
People want data. There's a lot of things you can do with it
No, but we've been in a dirty rush for the last ten years, but nobody has actually realized it
It's been controlled for that man that amount of time so Google has so I've got the monopoly
Then Bing and then everybody else but that that day to y'all giving away free and that's what you need to think about
Fucking dangerous is there? Yeah, it really is very
Well, I know one thing I've ran into before
as an economist it's data is like a
We're a data scientist pretty much. It's all an economist is nowadays is an applied scientist
applied statistician data is one of the biggest headaches because
Say you want to look at something and there's no good data source for it out there, right?
And so this is where people start doing surveys and stuff
But you know say I want to see freaking how many people cigarettes kill I'm not gonna
You know take a hundred people and have half of them smoke cigarettes and see who dies, right? And so
There's a lot of data out there that you know, there's not even there's a lot of not data
But there's there's variables and things out there that you can't even get data for right? And so I know that
That's that's a little bit off topic from what we're talking about. But I
Is a mighty because I am a data scientist and that is true to my heart, but what you're saying is
Those data sources that you can't get access to
So I work for a say footsie 100 company do you think we had access to that data or no
They that that's what the decision is making processes are made on in your future and
Going towards your kids and everybody else
Those people that control the data at the top
Control all the way down to your decision-making process
And it's been proven that they can take that data and influence you in the decision
So what do you think about that?
Yeah, and this is what most people don't realize
This is why I look at simply
Well, so is would you call it would you call it to be deep in
It's just a it's just a phrase for me is yeah, I probably would call it deep in I
Caught deep in with a lot of other projects
But then would you call flux deep in because flux in future and they below layer? Oh, would you cut all?
Like pretty such is that deep in well, yeah
I wasn't a I wasn't a space actually the space that me and Ron look I've done this one those crank licenses from the other
Day and they were talking all about it and something that we were talking about when I was on stage was you know
Isn't a technically anything that's proof of work
Deep in right and an action was there too, and I think he weighed in a little bit, but you know a network
And you have physical hardware running it and you have this guy by running it
So, you know, it kind of thing below checks all the boxes, doesn't it to us?
Yeah, but probably tip it doesn't actually because it doesn't have the
Infrastructure because the infrastructure is running on flux or it's running on AWS same precise. It's like a layer too deep in
Well, of course, you know, it's almost like you kind of had to think of these things like does it provide
Infrastructure for something that people actually use right? So you look at flux
No, but it's not like like deep in is like like like flux is like physical infrastructure
Yes, simply doesn't run on that
Pre-sex doesn't look for on that. Yeah, three that doesn't run on that
All these networks actually born on flux
Think folks should actually advertise this a lot more
But yeah, all these infrastructures are not true deep in the bit. They don't actually have their own
Hardware the over no flux or they run on the cloud infrastructure
That's true, that's kind of like you can say that
Guess the the infrastructure that flux provides their infrastructure helps provide I
Internet well that makes sense if I said that
not necessarily internet but
Yeah, I kind of say anything else but yeah
Yeah, and so I guess you could say maybe say that some of these other things, right?
They just have a different you case use case, right?
Like maybe the infrastructure that they're using doesn't necessarily hardware. That's the hosting websites
Because it's too much hard work than to have the hardware
Right, you know why because flux already built it
Giggles already built it or a diverse is already built it. Oh
Yeah, there are even as well
Yeah, so that so those are the options. So if you if you if you're freeman
They I think we've got about 10% of their network runs on flux. So that's decent tries
A to a so Google and wherever else
But it can you can you address a rumor for me real quick and sorry?
I guess is so does power world run on flux or the flux just have a server that you can like
Run power world on if you want to
You know power worlds of flux you can spin it up completely runs on flux
Well, I don't know what the
Yeah, yeah, it does. I think I don't know where the persistent data is
But yeah, but it runs on flux now that's all changed
So if I download the game on my Xbox right now and I get on an online server eggs box
I don't know but PC. Yes. Okay. I got you
Same with a few other game servers began with change the second loss. Well
We have to change of power natural. We did a major update power again last OS release. So
Because of all of all the work we're doing a WordPress and the way before it
It's allowed us to move forward to be able to do these servers now
So a lot of the work I've run in the past where we've done the master node and say we're done with deployments
Now it means we can do these masks
No noted sort of game service and things like that because what you need is to lead IP
Like WordPress leads on and then you get you get that you get that address and it tells you what the address is
And that's where your players go to so you get that you get our lead master node and you get like two redundancies
You play on with the game and the data sinks from my games to
Independence sources backing up the data and if one goes down
Fair enough goes down. It switches to a new one and you just run on that one
If you get on there, I got you
Kevin that's that's a selling point. You guys could use to market something. You can say hey
See Garden of Kadena and power world run on the same servers
Quite well actually, but yeah that that's what being the events was
To be fair with that WordPress and that fucking learning experience between that and here
We want to go there of course, of course
But I nothing to do that I've got I know nothing I'd be breath
Are you a dev by any means TSM?
Well, do you what kind of programs do you use for data science to use our I?
Pull it out. Let's have 12 languages, baby. Okay are is my bread and butter
That's what I learned in school and that's like my go-to
Lot of I'm working I've done well, I've been working with our in
We put gypsy notebooks on flux
So it it basically runs on flux now you can do jeep it notebooks and not be an inference into
Arias fully-spotted pythons fully-spotted and the both work very well
I've done an NLP models. I've done churn analysis. I've done
MLR, I've done everything else it all works. So it's just the end output for preview as well
If you know what that means
I'm a little bit lost, but I kind of got the gist of what you're saying
Split it down and ask it ask question. I'll keep an answer if I can
Guess well, I don't really know what to ask
I guess just re start resay what you said, but like you're talking to a five-year-old
What analysis have you done?
so I made something I mainly do
Linear regression and different methods of doing regression like or like the potential outcomes like things like differences and differences and whatnot
Then from there, it's just about like
Visualizing stuff, but so I guess you're asking what kind of analysis I've done
Now now I'll get you so yeah, let me regression 100% done
Multilinear regression 100% done decision trees 100% done
Native forest 100% done random forest 100% done and
NLP 100% done. What's MLP?
Natural language processing
I thought you were saying an M like an M for machine. Ah
No, then and for NLP I got
Yeah, and I put through AI imaging and these can be outputs into
Like like an R integration kind of with flux is that what you're saying?
Sorry, that work is built gotcha
That's fun as well as Python
Python's big. I know we have a project on Cadena right now called Python
And that's integrating a lot of packed stuff into Python and they're making some cool tools
I bet basically cross-tested them both and done both languages
Python's what I need to learn cuz Python seems like it's like a
Almost like a universal language, right? Like most
Most languages have like a specific purpose you'd use them for
Python seems to be pretty
General, I would say would you agree and that's one of those things I want to learn
Know that's where it comes in that that's where it comes to like a mass market. So the Keras
Integration is huge. So taking that Keras and moving that
Forward is huge. But there's like pytorch and two or three of those
Those are the products we're building on so we're not aiming at like a web 3 market where
But data scientists using now, of course
Of course, yeah, I mean that makes sense
It's like busty. Yeah, but
Bully about to scale from once time they'd be using a one and why you're gonna go it's right
Right, I got you. Well, hey Kevin, are you still there?
Yeah, I'm here. I was making sure what do you got going on? Are you home now?
Yeah, I'm home kind of bouncing around some different things and checking on his truck, but
I'm still listening in I was making sure you're still with us. I was gonna hear soon. I was gonna
Normally we should be doing our guided conversation by now, but I actually fumbled the bag a little bit this week
Just give me the hardest question you've got and then we'll go. No. Yeah. No, it's all good
I mean, I don't it was kind of killing some time because normally I've been told but under the circumstances
I was having to like pull out for a second. So it's totally fun
And especially y'all were talking about stuff that's like nine miles over it
So I wouldn't get to jump in on that conversation. I gotcha. I
well, I normally find myself in conversations like that and
You know a lot of them ends up just being ends up being me asking a lot of questions like hey, man
What are you talking about and tell me about it?
But no, it's totally cool to get to listen to it. I just don't have any background as far as
Python and stuff. So, you know, like I said, y'all are speaking Japanese to me. I
In fact, if I brought guys on it, he will take you to the entire next fucking level
No, it's all super interesting it's just my background
I can't even speak with rod a minute ago. He was asking you to ask
Question asked and I was like, yeah, I definitely didn't have any questions
No, we'd be more conversations like that. Yeah, absolutely. I do it. I mean I'll
I definitely learn from listen. I mean I completely understand everything you're talking about
But the more you listen and hear it the more you start to gradually pick up. So it's good to listen
It's just I was in one of those positions where they say, you know, it's better to let them think you're stupid than open your mouth
And prove it. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't want to open so I just stayed quiet
To be fair I had a lesson to everything
It's part of my job. I'd go around
What people doing can I make sense this is easily understandable and
We need to do that more often
Because we need to simplify it
Yeah, I love to listen to a lot of the integration and the stuff the different projects are working together with the TMP and
you know all the crank stuff and the flux stuff like I really like to learn about all that and you know and hear more about
With my work schedule. I don't get to invest as much time studying and researching some of this stuff
So sometimes I get to ask questions or learn just listening to you guys talk about it
There are a lot more heading into it than I so
Yeah, we need more conversations like this
And from my perspective it was quite well
system that can process that stuff
Flux has got the tech stack in between that can deal with data and everything else and
TMP on the other side is providing the data
So it's like if you think about it, it's like a natural flag. I
Wish that he was still like Dana
You just make connect the dots
So there I for some reason I'd always thought that they're building their own chain there
I guess they're what they're launching a token on another chain. Is it public or I or something like that?
Because that's unfortunate
But they were gonna launch a cadena
From from my knowledge was a little bit before my time in the ecosystem
But it seemed like a pretty sex with a successful launch on a katie swap
Faster and a bit more developed the more it is right now, of course
Oh, let me step back not after that conversation
Do you say you talk to those guys a good bit I
Went to bed linens face them in person. I saw them whenever they were down in a cyberpunk whenever back in September
Aren't they they were in a side punk. I met them in Berlin
Carrot bought me a fair few whiskey's nice, but
Yeah, we have discussions but I think I
Think they've got a bit pissed off if I'm a mouse
How can I piss my father a katie because no
That that's uh, that's maybe a bit understandable. I
Think if kidding where it is now
Tempe at the technology at the time when they wanted to release
They were both in sync you'll be together now go into the end. Yeah
But it's just time it if I'm doing this time is a big thing
Yeah, actually time my shit
Yeah, I met with them so yeah, it's time and I probably need persuading to meditate them again so
Yeah, that's fucking definitely right when if you're gonna take a product market
Make sure it's fucking ready
Well, that's something that we make it pass on to Mike. Maybe Mike and then can reach back out to Tempe and see if he can
If you want us help bridging it send in my okay
It's definitely it's definitely the things that we need to do today. I know Cadena's had some gavels in the past with
We send rock shield as well. If it don't shield was now
Dr. Shield would be fucking larger
But maybe not depends on the developer and the type but also depends on Mike's bar or Adrian's bar my bad
But you know we even had the same thing with Steven with KDA bets
You know what he tried the first time the timing was off and just you know, there was there was
But you know they came back and they're trying to the second time and look they're doing fantastic right now
Think that's actually a good reminder. If you haven't minted your king yet, go ahead and do it. I haven't yet
I would like the price to go up a little bit. I think Kevin meeting boat. Yes
Think Hank might be in the same boat, too
Think a lot of us are and you know, it's almost like yeah
I mean Cadena was up at a buck 60 there for a couple of days
So would have been nice if they would have launched then that's another thing about timing
Timing timing timing. Why didn't I find Cadena at 40 cents instead of a dollar 20, you know timing? I
Don't think big cars taken off yet
I've heard who is it? Is it I think it's Genesis or something like that. Is that what it's called?
Apparently they have like a billion dollars of Bitcoin that they're like seeking approval to
Liquidate or something like that, which that could uh
That could that could hurt, you know, I don't think it's gonna make a difference I probably it's sold off market anyway
No, yeah, I don't think it'll make a difference either
Okay, I think liquid that is being paid something
Well, I can't say anything can I yes, you can always tell us the outfit history
Yeah, we're safe with us might be a recorded space but we'll keep it down yeah, I'll see you go
Don't know what y'all thought
Something I always say is I'm gonna sound like a bear
But you know people always scream the bull is back the bull is back. We're so fucking back, but I personally think that the
it's ready for it's ready for some bad things to happen and a lot of the global markets really react to
The US economy. So, you know
It has been looking good. All right, we're not down there like freaking in the 20 K's, you know, but
You know things have been green things been going up things are looking good
I'm not really sure what caused kind of the recent pumps. Some people might have said it was a
you know my bags are packed mainly for like
If the bags that I have right now haven't started to do something by then then I might say there might be a problem
Because that's really whenever I expect there to be another bull
Sometimes I wonder if this whole four-year cycle thing is always gonna be true. All right, like, you know, maybe
That's not always gonna be true. Maybe we break that sometimes maybe freaking
Two years after the most recent bull we have another bull or maybe you know
We have two bulls within a two-year period or something like that, right? You know, it's I don't know but that's also
How people react to markets like
There's a hundred probably thousands of people out there
Anytime Bitcoin has a red day you have those thoughts that's like oh, it's going to zero. It's all over and
Right and it's kind of the same thing with greed to whenever, you know, we have a an update of five percent
Oh, yeah, Emma. We have Emily pill more coming up here
But yeah, anyway, what I'm trying to say is that you know, it's it's tough to gauge and you know
The entire market's built off of emotions. Anyway, so, you know, it's kind of hard to
Yeah, I agree. I mean well, I don't necessarily would say that I think it's part of the economy either just
You got the having going now you have all blackrock and all these companies that are able to go
They're gonna manipulate it. They're gonna buy to sell off, you know, just to play with the numbers
I probably think it is a little bit of a trap to you. I think they're gonna
The price of Bitcoin will start to pump everybody will panic and buy in and then they'll sell off and I think it's still
Gonna take again. We've had some green, but I'm not really ready. Yeah, I wanted to stay in the red
I'd love to see a 30 $35,000 Bitcoin because I could load up on some more before the ad
Don't know it typically sometimes too. I've noticed
When the economy is bad or somebody's scared of what the value of the dog
Times they actually do transfer to Bitcoin and invest into it as opposed to you know, the dollar
Go ahead. No, I was just gonna say the
This is such a unique situation with the whole SEC the ETL
You've got the having going on. Yes, our economy sucks right now
but we've also in an election year it always they'll always pump things especially an election year because
You know the president and you know, they want to make it the economy's great for them
You know because people have short-term memory, so they'll forget and they want the economy to look good
They'll do all this stuff to make it look good
But it's really not as good as they think it is or it really is
They just want to give that impression for the election. So there's a lot of plays going on
2024 is a strange year. It is
Well, there's something I want to say about that
But I've got personally before before if I go on I think this pulling bother one power said
development, I think probably of the US needs in the power struggle with
And they'll probably pump it between them all
Deflated funds and then it'll crash back down again. So it just being over cycle
Donald Trump said that if he gets reelected he's gonna
Immediately fire Gary Gensler, which is normal that don't remember there's a change in party. They normally let the head of the SEC go
But I saw someone in the comments saying that oh, he's just trying to dump the market so he can pump them whenever he gets
I'm not so sure about that
But real quick we do have Emily up on stage
I want to see what's up with her how she's doing how her days been what she's got going on
Am I speaking now, I'm not sure how that happens but what's up
Not much I'm just hanging out listening to what people think
Well, yeah, well glad to have you here
I wasn't sure if you requested or if someone added you but if you don't mean to be up here
Then go ahead listen have a good time and hang out with us. Thanks
Yeah, I was just gonna just gonna listen to see what people say on these things, you know
If you have any specific questions feel free
Well, I'll ask you something real quick then except it's a little bit relevant to what I'm going through right now
We talked a little bit of this recently
Trying to learn packed and it might be kind of hard for you to understand because like you're such a genius
With this stuff, but if you were to put yourself in the shoes of someone who has no like
Blockchain programming experience smart contract programming experience
What do you think is missing currently from the experience from trying to go from zero to a hundred impacts?
Metaphors with other programming languages
One of the big things that you need to lean on whenever you're learning anything for any language is
Roughly other people's understanding of how things work
Which usually translates to like hey somebody knows like Python really well, so they're gonna like teach you
You know C++ from the range of like
This is how you set up an environment. This is how you you know, write scripts
This is how I think about organizing my code and so on
but packed is kind of so different and
New and introduces a lot of like really interesting novel features that aren't really
Super intuitive unless you've been working in the blockchain space for a long time. Yes
It's important for us to like start thinking about how do we take something like
Python something familiar or something like rust something like wasm script and start drawing analogies with like
Equivalences like what does a loop look like? How do you you know make a thing do X and then do it in?
Do it impact to how you like test stuff? How do you build a project?
All that stuff is kind of missing from the ecosystem because we expect people to kind of just pick it up
But one of the false assumptions for a lot of people I think at Cadena specifically
Is that we expect people to just kind of like run with it, which is not at all a reasonable take
Do you do you think we could sort of get the language self-driver?
anyway with AI in the future I
if you understand how AI works you need a proliferation of a sort of
Well, yeah that the AI needs to understand what's going to happen
But if you don't get much data set and there's just not that kind of data available for pack developers
No, but they're language. So you can say language from I'll
Give the pack language this but can you transfer on went to Python or can you transform? It's war?
Yeah, I mean we could use it to
Automate our our tutorial writing and reference documentation
Now we'll always take a human to sort of like go over things and be like, okay. Did you I don't mean fucking bullshit or chat GPT?
But yeah, yeah, I mean we could hire somebody to just pump that shit out that'd be great
Well, what I was gonna say Emily is I think you make a really good point because I know that any time that I'm learning
Something new specifically code. It just seems so abstract
Whenever you first start right, it just seems like something that makes no sense
It has the most no organization and you're just trying to organize it in your brain so that it makes sense
And you know, I think that if you can draw these inferences like their metaphors
Like you're saying from other languages if you get a guy coming and then has that Python or that JavaScript experience saying, okay
Well, you know doing this impact is kind of like doing this that really kind of helps have that light bulb moment
And the light bulb moment is huge
Right, right and that's that's also kind of why you see success in other languages
So one of the brilliant things that solidity did was not necessarily
Be a good language, but look like a familiar language
That was that was I think emergent in the sense that they had a lot of people
Let's do stuff same with Python as well. And exactly
But like you see a lot of people now basing their languages on like
Rest or wasm or looking like one of the two
and it's precisely because they're knocking at that door and going like
Yeah, we're not going to do something
There's a lot more responsibility on our end or even something like Plutus, I mean look how many
Hundreds of developers worked on Plutus only for it to be an utter failure at this point
I just went through the Plutus ecosystem yesterday to be like
Well, like killer apps did they have that we can like maybe target and ask people to target and and they've got fuck all
Yeah at any point as long as I've got time for it, man, I'm 20 people
Am ahead of looks lobs just give me call anytime from from the perspective of Kadena if you want an update everything's going great
Still on track for the packed five the core release with a lot of new fun
New new tools that we're introducing it to the ecosystem as well as just a better
Language so I hope to hear a lot from people going on in the future
I'm gonna pick your brain some more here. I actually have a question
I just thought of that I've been meaning to ask you specifically and
other people who work at Kadena, but so
This whole new Kadena thing right, you know
You've been there for a while now like much longer than Mike has and so you kind of have experienced
Maybe what you would call old Kadena and new Kadena
What what's your take on the whole thing? Have you seen like a shift in company culture, you know, have you
What's your whole take on that? Yeah, so I mean there were there were some problems with the way old Kadena was approaching everything
I just just just to level set like, you know, we're totally a winner the fact they're like, oh, yeah
we didn't give any thought towards like
Consumers of our API is for a very long time and it's considered one of the great failings of the early
Sort of Mike has come on and Randy's come on and I've been handed control of things
We've made a concerted effort internally to really focus on and highlight
Specific user stories and have a plan for like who's going to be consuming these API's who's going to be
Writing the smart contracts and what does the experience look like for other people, you know
When we talk about like oh man cross chain sucks. Nobody knows how to do this and like it really sucks
Internally, we're pushing for hiding those implementation details that you never have to deal with it stuff like that
or you know, you give us the feedback we have
Listen to the feedback and and we're embarking on this sort of like year-long
Set of fixes that address
basically all of the ecosystem complaints
That's been the big thing that we've been working on
It's basically a push to get packed everywhere and make sure that we have all of our use cases covered and you know
Our API's and in line and stuff. So when people come knocking and just go like hey, I want to build a thing
Right. Yeah direction. There's nothing worse than bad or non-existent docs
I'll be out with it. It's a
Complete headache and a nightmare and nobody wants to deal with that
It's enough to just turn someone around and make them stop building, you know, exactly exactly and it's like it's just an empathy thing
Um, and I think there was a there's a big push early on to be like, okay
We got to get to market we have to deliver a thing
But when we did like we cut you know
I don't want to say we cut corners
But we we trimmed as much fat as possible in order to make that happen and we did
But then the the rest of the debt is kind of catching up
And it's caught up with us. So we're doing
Ten ten assets one of them is KDA, but that relationship is not there and I want the API you've got
That's basically the problem it's 20 20 bitcoins marching in sequence, it's not a cohesive experience
Kevin were you saying something? Yeah
I'm curious on your take between
NG and v2 and what do you think time frames are from v1 to v2 on your guys on your side?
I have no clue what's going on with marmalade. I have avoided the entire fiasco
I've heard that, you know internally we really value people like Pascal's
crypto Pascal's feedback on this stuff and
we have noted that he's probably right in a lot of ways and
There was a consequence of like not talking to people before we marmalade too and it is done now
Actually to incorporate a lot of
Yeah, we listen a lot and now we're like actually listening and doing stuff about it
Well, that's been my whole thing Emily and I'm glad I'm talking to you about this that's been my whole thing is that
New cadena might be a new logo and a new color
But my whole thing has been that it seems like people listen now, right?
yeah, and that's that's huge because
Guess there has been some kind of disconnect before between like the foundation and the community, right?
You know, you can't do everything
completely for the community because you know, sometimes perspectives and
But I would say here lately that it seems like you guys have been listening a lot more and trying to listen at least and that's
Appreciated at least from you know, someone like me
Yeah, thank you. Um, I've everyone will be happy to hear that
Early on so like just from perspective on this in in 2018 when I joined we were considered a challenger brand
Like that was the the term that Stuart and will would always use
It's like we were very much like we know we're the ones that know what's best
You know, you guys are all fucking idiots and doing what you're wrong and here we are, you know
This the solution to your problems, right?
And you kind of have to do this when you're running a business you have to be like, okay
like what's our relationship with other companies gonna be and it's actually like a strategic decision that you make and
It can go one of two ways, right? It can either succeed or it can fail
Neither and and then you have to figure out which one you actually are
but you still get forced into one of those two buckets and
Since I've been back since I came back in
The change has been from leadership that like fuck that didn't work
maybe we should have been just a little bit less of a challenger and more of a
working with other people and sort of like working to make sure that people could understand what we were doing and
I mean, that's kind of the way the market went as well. You see a lot of chains that were like fuck
Yeah, we're the answer and now they're like, oh, here's the Cardano fund, you know, we're gonna start
when the ecosystem and shit because it turns out that like there is going to be no one winner with all this stuff institutional capital is
Definitely more powerful than the entire blockchain industry. So it doesn't make sense to constantly fragment the industry
so now we're working on like a
bunch of open bridge protocols things like hyper lane and wormhole and you know
zero knowledge stuff that allows us to be compatible with basically every other chain and
Like we just announced like the lurk collab
right and that's all an effort to make sure that like other people can operate with us and
They're happy and they can build on our chain, too
Amazing. Yeah, that's that's the focus right getting getting more daps getting more builders in here
You know, no matter your background to come in, you know, we can we can help with that. That's
that's it seems like not necessarily the end goal, but
A big stepping stone I would say yeah, I'm excited
Actually, I got to meet with the lurk people today and we're one of the things that we're doing with our new
iteration is actually giving them a way of
Compiling circuits directly into path mark contracts that you'll be able to do at some time
Emily sorry Ron go ahead with with wormhole
I've been messed I've been playing with their bridge system right now. When do you do you have a forecast on when?
I've just been doing the basics is you have a time frame for when I can bridge Cadena's back and forth and
Yeah, um, I don't at the moment
We're actually trying to establish what an MVP looks like for for the two companies
But I would wager probably something later in the year or early 2025
I like them. I like what they're doing. I mean, yeah, they have some back office stuff that you know shows the
Like counters and stuff. Yeah, I like it. Thank you. Cool
Become complete new question guys. What the fuck is an MVP? It's not a most valuable player. It's minimum viable product
The absolute minimum of like how are we gonna deliver?
What features are we gonna support and then after that you start looking at like v1 v2 iterations of the the actual product?
So you're just putting the base framework out there and then voting on top of it. Yep. Okay. All right
Well, I know that idea. I just didn't know the name. Oh
All right, well cool. Yeah, you're free to go
I did have a quick question about someone wants to know why you think calculus is dead
If you don't want to go into that you can go back down to listening
Calculus isn't dead. What the hell are they talking about?
Someone just given me and said hey
Can you ask her why she thinks calculus is dead and held like I guess I'll fire away calculus isn't dead. I I'm
Shit, this is arguably the only useful thing that's going on right now in any mathematics that I can think of
Um, what do you think AI is? It's just applied stats
Reinforcement learning is calculus
All right. I mean, we'll we'll let you go. Thanks for joining us. I appreciate it. We always
Value having someone from the core up here and you know, it shows that you guys do care
And you know want to listen to the community and see what we got going on. So thank you for that
And tsn is trying to get back up here
Tsn emily i'll kick you off the stage if you want
All right, she's gone get the hell out of here just kidding
I've uh, i've had a couple of sam adams guys if you can't tell
Ron are you from new england?
He just pretends to be when he starts drinking on new england. No, i'm not. No, you said new england's not england
No, i'm not from new england. I'm from west virginia. So west virginia is actually kind of close to new england
Um a lot of people from west virginia have like kind of a twang. It's not like a southern twang
It's just like a like a white trash twang that like I live in a trailer and I smell kind of like
Um, i'm just kind of like instead of saying water you'd say water
Water water water. No, no, I mean the the sam adams
Oh sam adams. No, it's just a good. It's just a good beer there. It's just it's just not
I just I I am a new englander. So that's why I ask and you know to to
Point point that out being like oh, I had a couple sam adams. I I like I love I love the
There you go. Yeah. Well, so, you know, I was uh
Uh, I have been trying to cut back a little bit but every thursday
I know that I have kda thursday coming up and you know, I think yeah might as well run the run out to the store
Get a quick case enjoy myself
Don't get in this space to start that damn line
Trying to cut back my ass
I swear I swear and also it's not the corona this time. I actually went there
I was gonna get corona and I was like, all right, ron
You either buy lime slices with it and really feel like a true mexican or
These sam adams cold snap white ales and they were and they were out of the lot slices
I'm having the cold snap and yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's what it was and other thing too. Is that this beer is kind of like a
Almost what you would call like a winter beer and I know it's still february
But a lot of that stuff isn't in stock anymore
A lot of a lot of these winter beers are in stock. So I thought it was a good time to grab that before it went out
Now don't get me started on that though smart man
Every single winner. There's a seasonal beer. I really like drinking. It's uh, it's the hershey's and yingling's chocolate beer
And it's gonna you might think it's crazy. All right, you might think it sounds gross, but it's absolutely delicious
all right, it literally tastes like the perfect mix of a fine yingling
Beautiful and it's a little bit of an acquired taste. I would say all beer is but
These things it's just like a
I don't know. It's like it's like a liquid dessert
So, let me ask how long has sam adams been selling in your area
As long as I can remember i've been seeing october fest in the fucking store since I was like five
Okay, so this is where I and i'm glad this is where this is going because I remember and you said link yingling
There was this hard divide of a line. It's almost like the mason dixon line where
Yingling would not travel far enough
Until probably like, you know 15 years ago and I go down there from pennsylvania
I go I go down south and drink yingling and i'd be like, oh, this is a pretty good beer, you know
They opened the doors of yingling into new england, you know, like north of like north of new york
I think I think it stopped in pennsylvania somewhere
But yeah, i'm i'm glad you've always been able to enjoy
handcrafted bostonian beer
Are you from boston is that where you are
I live in massachusetts. Yeah, so
Well, I couldn't tell I would expect you to come up here and tell me take the hobbit cotta park, you know
I can get there if you want
Well boston's on my bucket list
I actually grew up a red red socks fan for no reason at all because i'm not from anywhere near there
I did live in pennsylvania growing up, but I used to always love the red socks
Do you need to go there sometimes? You got your dude and finway park is the is that's it. That's it, kid
Oh, dude, I need to I need to go up there stay a weekend go to finway park. There was really
There'd be really nothing more of a feeling in this world
I'll be sitting on top of the green monster with a nice brew and some peanuts
I mean, I would just be completely at home guys. I mean that would just be full circle movement for me
Ah, well, let's make it happen
I'm down guys. Maybe maybe mike whenever he drops this sports partnership will tell us that we're the now the official sponsor of boston
Red socks and we can all go to a game
Wafti, I don't know man. I have some freaking alpha. I have some quick alpa that just dropped
And you guys are gonna have to do me a favor
I'm about to put this on top of the space right now
Uh, press share boom. Okay. Have you guys been following the guardians of cadena series?
The new one is out and guess who it is. It's yours truly, baby. I'm in this bitch. I'm the new guardian
All right, and I mean it's only right. It's only right because we're here. We're doing this thing weekly
We're contributing to the community. We're doing things. We're building stuff. We're having a good time
And i'm here as a guardian
I guess what they might say a hero of the ecosystem and i'd really appreciate if you guys came in here
Drop some likes retweets comments, whatever tag me. Happy birthday
Well, kevin i'm knocking these sam adams down like it is my birthday
Um, but yeah that that just that just came out now before anybody says anything
I did tell kurtis kurtis was behind this
Before anyone says anything
I might look a little bit like hitler. Okay, so
And that's that's okay. Just i'm i'm getting out of the way first before anybody else says anything. Okay
But it is badass. All right
I think it's just the mustache
There's uh, i've been told that a couple times before because my mustache likes to do this thing where it gets bushier in the middle
And a little bit patchier on the outsides
Oh my god, I don't you guys got your man here so let me go in
Shut the fuck up god, I hope you groom the front nine at least good lord
Say it again I said, I hope you you groom the front nine
And you know speaking of the front nine i'm actually sitting here uh hitting some putts for it right now
Um, you know trying to get my game down before it warms up a little bit
So I can head back to the course
You know, you got to tailor these things down got to get locked in right kevin
Sorry, I was over there looking at the picture zooming in on it like, you know checking out your stash and all
Oh, there you go. Yeah. Well, so it's a shame actions not here
Whenever i'm at action in cypherpunk, this is the only thing he would talk to me about was how how much he loves my mustache actually
Yeah, that's the only thing he talks about is how I have a creeper mustache and how
How he loves my mustache. He actually told me he was sad whenever I shaved it which you know
Uh, that's because he was jealous
Well, you know he wanted one like i'm not gonna say that i'm not gonna say that
Uh, well, well, yeah, you know, it's
It's one of those things where uh, I don't like shaving kevin
Dude, I have no choice. I have to shave like every other day
Well, I can't imagine having to shave my freaking scalp every day. I mean that would
I mean that just sounds like freaking
Like it's a tax it's actually quicker and I don't have to buy shampoo and conditioner
Like it's a whole lot cheaper. There you go a lot cheaper. I don't have to do all that fruit fruit shit
So I could do that. I could go bald then kevin or I could just grow bed blocks
I won't have to wash it ever now if I had hair I would do dress
Or like a man or a man bun some shit
There you go. I like surf. What's up? You know to shine it up, right?
Yeah, what you what you got, man?
Guardians of cadena associated with you know, the guardian project at all or is this
Something completely just like a play on words
What's the guardian project? Okay, so i'm guessing no, I
The guardian I I don't know too much about it. I just kind of think that it's it's an ai
Project going on there on right now. I don't know a lot about it. I
Is it a cadena project no, it's not that's why I I keep on hearing people talk about guardian and what guardian is kind of doing is
Um, it's kind of like a wallet scan
You can link your wallet to the guardian
Kind of delete and this isn't a shell by the way. I'm just asking because
There so they're they're not affiliated at all from from what I know the the guardians of cadena is
some of the guys behind swarms
I think mainly curator who he's
Not too public, but he's behind a lot of stuff going on in the eco
Swarms and the collective and and a few things like that. And so he's been doing all this stuff
If you go to their page and scroll through the stuff that they've made it's really just been trying to highlight people who
Contribute to the ecosystem and they've they've done community feedback too to see who should be guardians
I know alario the wizard's dev has already
Uh been a guardian now i'm the new one
Um, I think that maybe there'll be nfts that get released eventually but that that's really all it is is
It's not really for gain or for
you know, I don't think they're trying to make any money or anything like that or
Necessarily just trying to like moon a project like just a title
So you're like in this elite group of dal people of
I guess I guess I guess that's what i've been given. Well, hey, uh, where the masons at?
Um, i'll have to give them a call
Yeah, I don't know I mean I guess
I guess i'm now part of this elite group of the
Biggest people in cadena. Maybe i'll come in there and ask them if they ever had any sam adams before
But uh, yeah, I mean it's it's an honor guys and it's cool. I hope that uh, congratulations. I think that's that
Thank you. I'm stoked for you, man
Maybe i'll get a cut of the royalties or something if it's traded or maybe they don't even know how it's gonna work
like I guess maybe it's gonna be an nft that I get sent to me or they're gonna have a collection and then
Auction them off or something like that. I don't know but
I'm i'm an nft now. So we'll we'll see who's next maybe maybe they'll just give you a cut or some
That'd be pretty sweet. Yep
That would be I mean that's uh, hell of a lot rewarding more rewarding than you know, just a title
Not to talk down one bit at all, but you know
Like hank whenever we whenever we won our studio awards, you know, we got our uh
We got our nfts and whatnot it's a title but you know
Would have been nice if they would have you know
Well, it's nice. It's nice to have that but I mean like you can't sell it
You just it's just like a badge of art you can't sell it
So the only thing I didn't like about it was is the name and to
The nft itself, you know, it's just it's just a blank nft pretty much
Oh, right and just doesn't say like cadena memer on it or whatever. No, I don't
Well, no, it doesn't say that but it doesn't say who you know
Kind of like a plaque or something
Hey, hold on guys, i'll be right back to me like five ten minutes
I'm probably gonna be close to closing it after I get back, but just give me a quick minute. You guys continue without me
I'm i'm glad ron stepped away for a minute because it's gonna be a chia pet with only a mustache that can be
Could that can we sing that for him like chachachachia
We need to make a chachia song about a chia pet song about rod and a mustache
It'll be rah rah rah rah rah ria
Sorry guys y'all have to excuse me
He was kind of handling some things because I was trying to pull a battery out of the truck
So i'm i'm in the middle of
Trying to do multiple things at one time
Did he say he's gonna close this out? Should I wait? Well, he said he would be in five or ten minutes
He would be back to close it out. I mean we don't have to wait. I got some deep stuff
I mean, let me know I I just
I want to share something share share it dude
Think 2024 i'd like to ron to hear it too. Oh, okay
I'll be honest guys. I'm taking a fat shit right now. That's all i'm doing
So you don't want you to hear her smell it so you can talk he's still listening josh. I'm listening
I'm just hoping you guys don't hear my fucking fat. We'll just hit the water. So oh and drop the kids off at the pool
Yeah, i'm taking the cosmic
So that's kind of ironic because i've been
experiencing the world in a whole new way lately
In this industry and this ecosystem and in crypto especially are talking about a powerful
Ecosystem of what we've been engraved in
Is going to be even stronger than that there's I think there's going to be a lot more
Mind opening opportunities for people for people to
We are so blessed to to be
Um and sharing the same thought processes and the same ideas
but I truly believe that our human bodies that we are composed
Of our are are going to start being more revealed to us the fact that we we're a ball of energy
This might sound hooky and hokey or whatever you want to say
This shift just isn't for the financial gain and
And when I started this whole weird thing in 2017
I used to watch these bitcoin videos that were like there's going to be a change
We live on a bigger playing field. We're not just humans
We all have feelings in in these things that we're
Are going to develop deeper inside of us. I believe there are
Of the people that are invested in cryptocurrency are doing it
For the for reasons bigger than they actually understand and know
So what I want to just kind of
Don't be afraid of opening up
To maybe new understandings of how your body works and vibrations and fucking chakras and
and things you might start seeing about like
I think this is really going to be a more powerful powerful year than
Don't know if I can handle it. I mean this the fucking rabbit hole
I just went down over the past two and a half three months. I'm like
But the craziest thing bro is like when i'm at work i met a dude
Three weeks ago and today we were talking about crazy crazy deep
Josh did any of this rabbit hole involve shrooms or dmt? No
All right, just just checking why do you have some sense of life
Of um, i've dabbled in that stuff a little bit and uh, I get where you're coming from and I think that
I don't know. Sometimes you wonder why we're here and what we're supposed to be doing right and you know
I've gotten to a point before where I felt like I was on the screens way too much and I started feeling like shit
So all I was doing was sitting inside the freaking
You know not getting any daylight and just being on my freaking computer all day and you know, it's
We're meant to get outside and do certain things and you know, I think uh vibrations and frequencies aren't bullshit
It does sound like some hippie crazy shit, but it is science and you can't deny it like there's
Uh, it's how nature works right like um
Whenever uh, whenever a chicken does its wake up song does its uh, it's cockadoodle do
It sends a certain frequency to trees to let them know that it's morning time
And that it's time to kind of like uh
Open their pores a little bit and take in more air and take in more sunshine
It's true stuff and there's not a lot of people who have subscribed to this part of it is society
um, and yes, I am still in the toilet as i'm talking about this, uh, but um
a part of society I think kind of will um
I play it off and bat it down and make you think that you're crazy and that it's super stuff and so many people are
are worried about being normal and
And accepted and doing what society has called normal, but you know, it's uh
You don't truly know yourself until you've done some discovery right and looked into stuff and
And and trying to do things your own way and experimented I guess
Rather than just listening to everybody else. So, you know, it's um, there's definitely uh
Some weight and uh the things that you're saying and and I appreciate that and you you
Put in just these different angles that are just so much solid
Internally, you know individually, you know, I don't know about every maybe everybody else is right in the top of the ferris wheel and
And enjoying life, but I know personally it's always there's always a question
You know, like am I doing this right? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
But yeah, man be open the universe is is is screaming out to us
um soon and and right now so
Um open open the heart. So let let the floodgates open and see where it takes you personally, you know everybody
Josh you sound like the guy that used to come down to cyberpunk this year and have a couple coronas with me
When is it or some same balance is it
We'll just go right to the mushrooms
Follow in the category of you know, flat earth. Yeah, I mean I I'm listening to what you're saying, man. I like I get uh
For some people, they look at the universe part,
some of it's a spiritual thing.
I know some people see some spiritual stuff
Yeah, there's a lot of interesting stuff,
and even what you were saying, Ron,
and actually ground your body,
and actually is healthy for your body to do.
You know, when I'm doing a lot of landscape
and working on golf courses,
you know, you'll see the guys out there,
if you ever watch golf on it,
you'll see the guys out there on the carts
and they're running around watering the greens.
Like, they're not just doing that
and that's what helps it hold and maintain through the day.
If the wind turns and shifts out of the north
and the jet screen changes,
the grass says, oh, cool weather,
I can release this moisture now because it's cool.
And then the process of releasing the water,
the sun actually burns the green and will kill it.
So the guys in the offices are sitting there
watching screens and monitors and jet screams
because if that shift happens,
they're like firefighters with water hoses.
Like, they're on a green, like flies on shit,
trying to water it to keep from burning the dam,
you know, from burning up the green.
So there's a lot of that type stuff going on that, yeah,
in our society, nobody even pays attention to.
So that's my little spell on it.
I know a couple golfers who go golfing barefooted
because I think that it helps them kind of ground
Well, I'll tell you what, there's, what's it called?
There's a thing that I do every now and then.
And my girlfriend looks at me like I'm crazy
whenever I do it, but it's called key zone.
And so it's a mix between like a Chinese exercise
called key or chai, it's QI and yoga, right?
And the whole thing is like doing these certain
like stretches and exercises to reverse the negative energy
in your body, because it's true at times,
all the energy that your body has can turn against you.
Right, and you know, it's our job to channel that energy
into things that are positive and, you know, productive.
And there's one instructor on YouTube,
she's pretty hot if I was watching her,
but she does a key zone exercise
and it's about 15 minutes long.
And I'll do that whenever I'm just not feeling right
right now and then, and it kind of just helps.
It's weird, it kind of gives me a natural high.
And it's funny that I say that,
because like I do smoke, right?
And so I know what that's like,
but like the feeling of like a natural high
from either like nutrients or like stuff like that
It gives you a different kind of energy
that you haven't really thought before.
But anyway, I just plugged the fucking toilet.
I need to eat some dinner and looks like some people
My wife's been kicking me here.
She's like, hey, I'm ready to go to that place.
I want to get some of those little whatever rolls.
So yeah, boots, boots sounding good right now.
The red sauce I'm playing at when she wants to go
They're not selling the hot dogs yet.
Well, you guys take care.
Another good conversation.
Had some representation from Kadena here today.
I got a request from Jimmy real quick.
Always need to get Jimmy up here.
Jimmy's gonna jump up here.
He's gonna say, God bless you guys.
Go to the gym and eat some fucking meat.
That's exactly what he's gonna say.
We're gonna see the light is the emotion.
Hey, hey, I couldn't let it get away.
I've been listening this whole time.
All having a wonderful evening.
It's great hearing everything.
So you know what I'm gonna say?
Eat something delicious, invest in your health.
So that's what I got for you.
Is red wine considered good for your health?
They say it's good for the heart.
I'll even count those beers that Ron's chugging.
If it makes you smile, right?
That's gotta be good for your health too sometimes.
Yeah, you got a little steam off, you know?
I'm actually gonna have to use that excuse
with my girlfriend, Jimmy.
Anything that makes you smile,
add some years to your life.
So listen, that's what I told a wife.
I'm like, listen, I need to get out.
I just got to fucking cut loose.
Let the shit get out of my system.
And then I'll be all okay.
Jimmy, can I jog on a treadmill with a rib in my mouth?
I don't have a problem with that.
I just want to give your approval on that.
That's close to how they used to do it, right?
You go out on a big hunt.
You don't think they're eating
when they're running back in with the big game?
What you need to do is you need to tie
a big old chicken leg or a big old brisket to the string
and then hang it right in front of the treadmill
and then you're chasing it.
Okay, whatever gets you going, I'm down for it.
Just make sure it's not a Twinkie.
Wait, what the hell's wrong with a Twinkie?
Well, nothing, but you know what I'm saying.
Yeah, it's like, I do that on No Points Tuesday.
If you're on vacation, it doesn't count.
And if you close your eyes and you don't see it,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
It's like if a tree falls in the woods,
Nobody knows exactly, so.
All right, you guys are awesome.
Only a few people left here.
I'm getting the fuck off here, guys.
So follow me, like the pins tweet up top.
Go to wizardsrena.net, buy a wizard.
You know, follow that Wizards Arena.
You gotta be awake tomorrow.
Yes, I'll be awake tomorrow, Hank.
Hank, what time do you go to sleep?
Dude, I've gotta like drive the wrestling team
to a tournament in the morning,
and I've gotta like pick them up at the hotel at five a.m.
Well, Hank's been doing this thing here lately
whenever I sleep and to miss the Wizards tournaments.
He'll blow my phone up, so I gave him my phone number.
He'll say, hey, Brian, wake the fuck up.
He'll send me gifts and stuff about me being a princess
with sleep, sin, and stuff, and help him get up.
But anyway, we're getting the fuck off here.
Had a good time, enjoy it, guys.
Take care, had a good week.
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