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Kickstarting Developer Focused Workshops Globally
Recorded: June 5, 2023 Duration: 0:57:36Space Recording
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Mic check, mic check, make sure it sounds okay.
Give me a hands up or something, let me know.
I can hear you, can you hear me okay?
Yep, you sound good.
Cool.
Hey, Billy, you know, I wasn't all right.
Hi, Liz.
Hey, everyone.
Can you hear me?
Yes.
Sounds good.
I was going to reply to your DM the other day about you not being public about the jiu-jitsu
part until someone finds out.
I'm the opposite.
I tell everyone, I'm like, oh, I'm going to taekwondo practice.
But it's actually, I'm taking my kids to taekwondo.
It's actually me.
Hopefully, they don't find out, unlike you.
Welcome, welcome, everybody.
We're just going to let a few minutes go by for everybody to join in the space.
If you can, please retweet out the space, let everybody know this is happening now.
Billy is so professional.
Just, wow.
I'm in awe.
You don't know about my professional voice, Sina.
I see you.
I see you.
I'm waiting for the Chris Rock moment.
Oh, God.
It's just entertainment.
Don't worry, Liz.
I can take a hit.
I'm not made out of glass.
I can't keep nothing.
Very relaxing music for Monday.
I know.
Everybody's recovering.
Thank you for that.
Well, thank you, too.
Am I allowed to ask about the Apple headset, or is that for another space?
No, you can, as we're waiting on here, we can have a small chat about it.
Is it tech space?
Why not?
I actually didn't even watch it, so I'm catching up with it.
I've been waiting for this for a while.
I mean, you always hear rumors, right?
And, of course, it's, like, right in front of us.
So I've been waiting for this announcement for a while.
And I can't wait to try it, man.
And I'm like, at least from my perspective, these are kind of where things are going, with these spatial realities, right, where we can pretty much create content and create visuals anywhere we like, right?
So, and why Apple?
You know, I think the same reason for the iPhone.
Before iPhone, there was other touchscreen phones, right?
There were other MP3 players that were cheaper and whatever before the iPod.
And Apple kind of just dominated it because I think they're a whole 360 company, right, from material to marketing.
So, anyways, I'm excited for it, man.
I can't wait to try one of those on.
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, for me, like, for the developer side, it's, like, is it going to be virtual reality or virtual, like, augmentated?
You know, like, what's going to win?
And it seems like augmentation seems to be the better choice or people are choosing sides.
It's, like, you know, adjusting reality versus going into another world.
You know, what do you build for, right?
Like, are you building on the losing side or not?
Welcome, welcome.
Are we letting people come in?
I'm going to go ahead and bring people up.
I'm thinking, too, of AI avatars into this, right?
So, you have, like, a professor right next to you, a little avatar teaching you how to code or reviewing your code as you're coding, right, live, like, in your kitchen, like they show that guy doing, right?
Well, he was in coding.
But, so, I think it'll, if you mix, start getting or mixing these technologies, we're going to see some pretty awesome things, right?
Especially, of course, integrated with things in the blockchain and digital ownership now.
Like, you can literally now, I mean, you can do it before again, but I think it's just, in my opinion, the way that Apple is capable of doing it, right?
Have digital artwork in your wall now that is, you know, tied to all these virtual worlds.
And I'm really interested to see what, like, virtual worlds that exist already, like spatial, right?
I think they have a huge advantage now.
Again, this is something that's already happening.
But now, you know, with Apple opening up in the App Store, whoa, you know, to me, it's pretty amazing stuff going on.
So, anywho, sorry.
No problem.
Tech Talk always gets on there.
Special shout out to her staff to come and buy.
I know you're a busy girl.
So, welcome, welcome.
We're going to go ahead and start the space.
Let me kill this music.
We're still waiting for David to come up in just a minute as he expects the invite.
But I'll have Ozzy from Ola Metaversa start us off with some intros.
I know Liz is on a very tight schedule.
You know, Coinbase is always busy.
But definitely excited to kind of start this whole project up.
Go for it, Ozzy.
Thank you, Billy.
And I'll go real quick.
My name is Ozzy.
I'm the founder of Ola Metaversa, where we produce events and content for this space, really, for blockchain and with this whole Web3 space.
We've had events here in L.A. and Latin America, specifically in Mexico and Colombia, and recently one in New York.
And we're having our next event here with the collaboration of Coinbase, Liz, Billy from Developer DAO, and David from Razorfish, amongst others.
And I'm excited for that.
So welcome, and thank you guys for joining us today.
Thank you so much, Ozzy.
Am I doing intros, or are you doing intros on this one?
Go for it.
Okay.
So first and foremost, I am Billy Jetsu, or as everybody knows me on Twitter, Papi Billy, from Developer DAO.
I'm also the community manager for Developer DAO and a smart contract developer.
I also run the mini hackathons.
And, you know, really excited for this collaboration, primarily because, you know, it was, I don't really know any other devs close to me.
Like, I don't know who's around.
Everybody I know is usually, like, miles away or across the world or in a totally different time zone.
And I come to find that there are a few devs that kind of live semi-decently close to me.
But I didn't know that until, like, you know, running, you know, scrounging around.
So I was like, let's have some kind of meetup, right?
Like, let's, LA has a lot of talent.
Why not have some meetups?
And so, you know, I would love to introduce Liz from Coinbase that kind of co-hosted this with me and got this idea off the ground.
Liz, if you can introduce yourself.
Yeah, of course.
Hello, everyone.
So my name is Liz.
I currently work in the crypto intelligence and growth team at Coinbase.
Previously, I was doing developer relations and partnerships and collaborating with BASE.
We recently launched Testnet during ETH Denver.
Many of you know about that.
And, you know, I have been friends with Ozzy and Billy for just such a long period of time.
And always with the developer in my heart and my mind.
And I was thinking, well, what kind of activities we can do that we can, like, do a low-lift but valuable partnership.
So we actually can bring value to the developers because talking to Billy, what we identified in the past is that, okay, meetups are fun, right?
And everyone goes and gets some drinks and pitches their projects.
But they don't usually happen with workshops at the same time.
And for me, it's really important that any developer feels that they are learning something new.
They can add something to their own skills.
And that's why I think this is just going to be so enriching for the developers to be working with developer DAO since they have all of this amazing cohort of developers that are trying different networks, different tools, and are contributing to the ecosystem in amazing ways, right?
With hackathons, with different, you know, hacking and presenting their own ideas.
So that's how this idea came out.
And we were just, like, working on this for a couple of months.
And we thought, well, it's LA Tech Week.
Let's take advantage of the season.
And let's put it together.
So it has been just amazing working with developer DAO on this, with Ola Metaverso that has so much experience in producing these events.
And we really hope it's not just this one.
We want to focus a lot in that time because we know that there is a lot of great talent of developers in different countries.
So we are going to be looking at doing something probably in Colombia, probably in Brazil.
So this is just the first one of many.
That's what we hope for.
And, yeah, super excited and really grateful with developers from other protocols, like Steph, that I know is in the panel today.
And we are going to have very interesting panels during that day as well because the idea is that base is for everyone and is to bring the developers together as well.
Awesome.
Thank you so much, Liz.
What a good segue to somebody I love having here, Steph.
I'm a big fan of Steph.
Like, if you ask anybody in developer DAO or anybody that's worked with her, she's probably, like, one of the hardest workers out there.
And she's, like, always everywhere, always traveling.
I always see images of her.
So I'm like, where are you at now?
So, so happy to have her in here.
Steph, take it away.
Oh, thank you, Billy.
And thanks, Liz.
I'm Steph Warpilia.
I'm a developer relations engineer at Polygon.
Super excited to be here.
And what's funny is Billy actually came up to me in Texas, of all places.
But we had talked on Twitter before about how we didn't really know any developers in Los Angeles where we both happen to live.
And I still haven't met Billy in L.A., but I'm really excited to this week and also to see all of you.
I feel like when I'm at home, I never am with developers or I'm not having technical conversations.
And I have to, like, go across the world to meet other devs, which is just ridiculous.
So I'm excited to do these workshops locally, but figure out ways to make the knowledge scale globally so that we can reach places like LATAM and anywhere else that would really benefit from being able to build alongside of us, even if they're not there in real life.
So super stoked about this.
And I also love that this is a developer DAO series.
Excited about that.
DD was actually the first DAO I ever joined.
I didn't even realize I was joining a DAO at the time, I think.
I just got the NFT and understood it was some type of club.
And I'm excited to bring that to L.A. Tech Week because chances are we'll meet a couple of devs who are Web2 devs or just like they call themselves cloud devs or software devs.
And maybe they'll kind of get inspired by the community that we've all created and be kind of intrigued to join Web3 like a lot of us were.
So can't wait to see you all in person.
Thank you, Steph.
And then I would love to introduce David.
Fun fact that I went to a meetup on there.
Nobody really knew who I was, just probably some nerd standing in the corner.
But David was really, really nice and had a really welcoming environment over at Razorfish.
So definitely introduce yourself, David.
Hey, Billy.
Thanks for the intro.
My name is David Yoshida.
We actually met Billy at one of that Web3 meetup that, I forget, Ish put together like a few months before I met you.
But yeah, so I head up Web3 strategy and partnerships over at Razorfish, where one of the country's largest digital marketing agencies represent almost exclusively Fortune 500 brands.
We're owned by a publicist group, which is a very large holding company for a variety of media and advertising agencies.
And we actually have some great partnerships with Polygon and Coinbase.
And one of my roles at Razorfish is to basically spread education to, you know, grow mass adoption of Web3.
And one of the ways I do that is by throwing community events over at our office in West Hollywood every couple of weeks.
We call them Web3 Thursdays.
And, you know, I always try to bring in new and fresh perspectives.
So there's always something different for the attendees.
I've partnered with Ozzy and Ola Meta Verso and Ritzy before for NFTLA.
We had an amazing, magical event that was educational, inspirational, and motivational and all that.
It was very authentic.
And, you know, I feel like we're going to have something similar this week.
And I'm very excited about it.
I'm not a developer.
So I'm pretty, you know, I'm interested in learning more about the blockchain and how it's being developed, how the ecosystem is being developed, and learning more about the people who are actually building it.
So, yeah, that's all I have to say.
Thank you, David.
I'd like to just thank you again for opening up the space to our communities, right, here in L.A. especially.
It's a diverse community.
And, you know, just to let everyone know, David offered up a space here on Twitter.
I took him up on it, right, and we started coordinating something here in L.A. for our community and just the community in general and in L.A.
So thank you, David, for opening the space.
And, you know, just to let you all know, we're going to continue building here in L.A. with David.
So thank you again, David, and I appreciate all your help.
My pleasure.
All right, Billy, do you want to go into a little bit of insight?
Maybe not everything, but what will Thursday look like, right?
Why the workshop?
How is the workshop going to look like?
Maybe, Liz, you want to jump in here in too, as well, as we're going to be learning a little bit about base as well?
Yeah, I'll start it off, and I'll get into the workshop just a little bit.
But, you know, as a developer, when I see these events that happen, usually, like, you're at Eat Denver or anything, like, it's kind of hard to necessarily sit down and focus, right?
Sometimes there's just so many things going on, and it's too much to absorb at one time.
And sometimes there's a lot of people that are introverted, so it's hard to get a scope of, like, asking questions of, like, what people are working on or what they're doing or, like, this kind of intimidation thing.
So what I wanted to do was, like, have something where, you know, we'd have a panel for people that are interested in Web3 that gets an open space, I want to say safe space, but an open space to see, like, what people are working on.
Like, I'm a, you know, React, Next.js, you know, stack kind of dev for the front end and a Solidity developer, but then there's that Python developer that is like, is there any space for me in this place?
Is there any space for a Rust developer, you know, you only see what you see on Twitter with, like, oh, you can only use Foundry, but, I mean, those are all different tool sets that everybody uses, but it's literally open for all.
And what I want to do is kind of show what you can do to get started, the different tool sets that different people use, and definitely have a panel that, you know, has devs from different protocols, different outcomes, different walks of life, and just talk about that.
And kind of a good segue in for how Steph, maybe a quick sampler of, like, where she came from, and how she got into it, and see, like, where we're at there, and then we'll circle back to Liz.
Yeah, thank you, really, for that.
Yes, I'm actually, it's really interesting, because I am very excited to have the feeling that even if it's developer-focused, like, I'm not necessarily a developer, but for me, I am really bullish in a non-chain future.
So, understanding better these tools, it also helps me to help developers to grow, because what happens sometimes is that there is also a disconnect between what the developer does and what the business side does, right?
So, they are, like, never, there is a common language, because developers, like, you are the best, but you are very focused on your technical stuff, and then we want to translate that into something that is digestible for the actual user, because the idea is that you are successful as well, right?
Like, when you are building something, the idea is that it's something that someone is going to use it at some point, and in a year future, like, 10 years from now, we hope that many, many apps are going to be developed with different tools, different layers, and the end user doesn't have to really understand all of that, just like what happens today with some of the apps that we use.
Like, we don't know how WhatsApp is coded necessarily, but it's useful for us, and then we generate that user flow, and that's how you, as a developer, also grow, because that was the main problem that I have been seeing, and I have worked with more than 100 teams developing decentralized applications from the pancake swaps of the world with applications that are just starting out.
So, I think it's going to be very enriching, because for us, base is, like, that last, probably, layer that is going to bring together a lot of things.
In our exchange, we have more than 100 million users, so the idea is that you also have an additional tool that is going to allow you to onboard more users on chain.
Awesome. Yeah. I mean, I can attest, as a developer, I'm pretty focused in what I'm doing,
and sometimes that idea is kind of a bad idea, and Liz will tell me, you know, that sucks.
Back to the drawing board, you know, but, like, just knowing that there is a space for you.
There's so many directions in this space, and I'm going to bring in Steph to, like,
if you can give us a small snippet of, like, what you do and what your stack is on your day-to-days.
Yeah, completely.
So, I was saying, I'm a dev role engineer at Polygon, but before this, I was a software developer,
and my stack was just kind of, like, full stack development.
So, I was using React and Next, just basically different JavaScript frameworks on the front end,
and then AWS, mostly, cloud services on the back end.
So, it's kind of interesting to plug into blockchain for really specific use cases.
And like Billy was alluding to, as a dev, sometimes I just want to build something fun,
but there's not really, like, a reason for it to be on chain.
Like, we don't need a to-do app on chain.
So, I need that business-minded person to tell me, like, when something makes sense
and when something doesn't, because adoption of things only makes sense if, like, the use case is good, right?
Otherwise, people won't understand.
Like, we wouldn't have a encrypted chat app on the blockchain necessarily,
because if it was on chain and it wasn't private, everyone could see your messages.
So, that makes more sense for something that is more private than a blockchain.
But I completely lost what I was talking about.
So, basically, I like that in Web3, we get to kind of explore new use cases,
experiment with the idea of owning content or owning any type of thing because it's on chain,
and having that transparency that comes from being able to see exactly what's going on financially,
if transfers are being made, anything like that.
So, I think that's kind of the power of Web3 development versus past stacks that I've used.
So, I'm actually on the opposite scale, in a sense, where I had no idea, well, not necessarily no idea how to code,
but I haven't coded in over a decade.
And it was blockchain that actually motivated me to, like, learn and actually learn a stack.
So, I kind of did the reverse of it, like, learning Solidity and then having these deployments and, like,
oh, people need to use my DAP, so I have to actually make a front-end for it.
And I got forced into front-end to learn how to do it, so it ended up being, like, JavaScript.
I started with Python, but there was more tutorials in JavaScript, so then I just learned JavaScript.
So, it's, like, there's so many paths you can take into the space to get started that it's just, like, it's dumbfounded.
And there's so many scopes of niches that you can do.
I mean, you can use your knowledge.
You can do, gosh, now I lost train of thought of what else you can do.
But, like, there's so many, like, low-level tools that you can do, that you can do in the space, that there's a lot of opportunities.
But the whole point of, like, this whole meetup with, you know, having the Coinbase team with Base and developer DAO was, you know,
getting devs in the same room with people that can, you know, get them a job, share ideas, get to know, you know, what's going on in the space,
what are people working on, right?
If you're, you know, still building NFT projects on this day, you know, I have bad news for you.
You know, there's a lot more to it than the space than just general stuff.
So, it's, like, what are the devs that are working in the industry, what are they doing?
If you're trying to break into the space, what do you need to do to get that job?
Like, are you following the stack or are you heading in the right direction or are you going somewhere totally opposite that may not, you know, get you?
This is, they say there's room for everybody, but it is a competitive space.
And then having, you know, those in real life relationships are what really, really kind of sealed the deal for a lot of places.
And this is why places like ETH Denver or all these, like ETH Broad kind of things, they all mean value.
Like, having an event like this, I think, would be really, really important.
And that's kind of why we shifted it over to All of the Universal because as a developer, I have no idea for logistics, you know.
Otherwise, you'd be meeting, like, at Pizza Hut and, like, we'll buy everybody some sodas or something.
I was like, all right, let's talk about some code.
So, Azia, what can we expect, like, when we walk into the venue?
What is that going to look like?
Well, I mean, for me, the biggest experience for me is, like, a startup environment kind of space, right?
I had the experience before working with startups where it's open environment.
There's, like, you know, a lounge kind of area that we use.
So, it is a creative space.
It's a clean space.
Razorfish is a global agency.
They have offices all over the world.
And this is one of their offices, of course.
And they have an awesome, really nice patio.
So, right now in L.A., it feels like I've never been to the Northwest yet.
But, like, kind of, they say it's always cloudy over there.
But it's been cloudy over here for the last, I'll say, two or three weeks.
So, on Thursday, it's going to be 72, which is, for me, kind of perfect weather.
We can use the patio, which is on Melrose Avenue, which is one of the popular streets here in L.A.
There's all kinds of wide variety of things to do around that area.
But what you will expect when you get there is, again, this lounge area where you can all sit down.
And Billy's going to go over his workshop.
We can all kind of learn together.
I don't want to give the number of capacity yet because we're still kind of open.
If anyone needs a ticket, please let us know.
But we have closed the registration process already.
But I think it's a good amount of people for us to really network.
I think the quality of the companies that are going, such as Polygon, such as Coinbase, such as DeveloperDAO, a few others.
We have a representative from Google, of course, going, you know, they're all people that I think are building something in this space that are, you know, well-connected in L.A.
in some form or another.
I think anywhere in another city, it's about that network.
So we really try to focus on building a valuable network, a valuable kind of experience for you all.
You know, I see a few people that have attended our events before, and I think that's the type of experience you should expect.
The learning, the networking, and all that is part of what we do.
And then, of course, we're going to have snacks and drinks and, you know, enjoying the patio in a nice time during L.A. Tech Week.
Awesome, awesome.
Liz, did you have something to share, or should I keep moving while you pin a tweet?
No, I'm not going to pin anything because I have to jump off really soon.
Just going back a little bit to what Ozzy was mentioning, I'm just really happy and really grateful with all of the partners that are coming for the panel because I couldn't expect, like, a better welcome.
Anybody that I spoke to were, like, super willing to do it.
They were like, oh, Google Web 3.
Okay, let's go.
Let's do it.
Solana Foundation, we are going to have a step from Polygon.
We are going to have the founder of Brax Finance.
So, it's like we're going to have a lot of founders actually there.
So, it's going to be a super interesting experience.
I just want to invite everyone to follow the socials of BASE just because you are going to find there, like, some hackathons or some partnerships that we are doing also with other protocols or applications.
So, you kind of start developing your own stack as well.
And you are going to find all of the information in BASE.org.
And the Twitter account, the official, the only one Twitter account right now is built on BASE.
And, yeah, and just to clarify, we don't have plans for a token.
We always have to mention this because there is a lot of speculation about it.
So, yeah, but we are – I'm super excited to see you guys on Thursday and to just learn from you.
And, yeah, looking forward to that.
So, I'm going to hope to jump off, but really, really happy to see you, to meet you there.
Thank you so much, Liz.
Yeah, yeah, we definitely do have, like, a lot of heavy hitters.
You know, Google has been pushing their node validations on there.
So, we're going to have quite a few people there.
I remember some people said a couple of Netflix folks and, you know, a lot of Web2 devs that are curious.
I think we're one of the few, actually, crypto Web3 events happening during Tech Week.
So, there's been a lot of, you know, noise towards this event.
Like, in the beginning, we haven't really even advertised it.
And we got booked up because we were one of the A16Zs, like, one of the events to be at.
So, that kind of blew up.
So, developer DAO members, developer DAO members, active developer DAO members,
if you are going to be in L.A., hit me up.
Hit me up.
I will get you in, okay?
It can't be a developer DAO event if, you know, there's no developer DAO members, right?
So, definitely hit me up on that.
And we'll make sure that we get you inside there, okay?
But, yeah, there's been, like, so many things.
I'm going to show a little bit of developer DAO here of, like, what's been happening in developer DAO
and what we've been doing.
Like, why even become a member, right?
So, like, lately we've been revamping a few things.
We've been getting, like, technical writers to get paid in co-tokens.
So, like, if you're a technical writer out there at DevRelations, there is definitely opportunities
for you to build up your portfolio and get that, you know, retweeted by developer DAO,
you know, which has about, like, 85,000 followers on Twitter.
So, like, having that is super awesome.
We've also done a, you know, fellowship with PressStar Capital, which has been, like,
a VC funding type of system where they have, like, this mentorship to help you build your
DAP and, you know, take it to get, you know, growth and leads and possibly some funding
rounds.
We've also sponsored trips to hackathons, which has been, like, great for ETH Prague.
We sponsored an all-girl team to go to ETH Prague, and they've actually won some prizes.
We just announced today that we are doing something for ETH Paris with Wallet Connect.
So, if you haven't followed the DevDAO tweets, make sure to follow that and sign up for the
ETH Paris as well.
So, you know, if you're a developer, you know, looking to find some sponsorship, this is where
it's at.
And we've also got pro passes for ConsenSys in Texas, where I got to meet Steph, which
was super awesome.
So, like, I wasn't expecting to go to Texas and say, hey, you got some pro passes.
I'm like, well, I guess I'm going to Texas, right?
We even got, for the 3XP Gaming, we've got passes for that.
You know, I'm not going to be there Thursday, but I'll be there Friday for a little bit
too.
So, like, there's, like, all kinds of perks.
Everybody wants developers.
DeveloperDAO wants talent, right?
So, for any developer that goes out on the workshop that day of, when I do the workshop,
I'll share a GitHub link.
And for those that are not already in DeveloperDAO, and you guys ship something, and we're going
to have a form that day of.
There's going to be a QR code.
We are going to sponsor your participation to the DAO to get in, to DeveloperDAO.
So, if you are a builder, a shipper, anything, you're just out there coding and you love
to build, shoot us your GitHub on that form that will be shared during the workshop, and
we will get you into the DAO, because we are looking for talent.
Talent is everywhere.
DAO has talent from, like, all over.
We have Polkadot, Solana, you know, but I just forgot, Polygon.
I'm sorry, Steph.
We have Polygon, like, all kinds, Gelato, Biconomy.
There is a network of development and developers here in the space where, if you are active
in it, there is a lot of opportunity for you.
And then we're trying to create that, like, in real life, right?
Like, meeting the people that are close by.
You know, again, like Steph has said before, I think we may live maybe an hour, hour and
a half away, and we met in Texas, right?
So, you know, it's just one of those things where, like, you get stuck in your zone, and
you don't take the time to meet somebody outside of your zone, and you just never will.
So, like, having these events and then having future events with base and base beatups,
it will be really cool to have developers from developer DAO, like, all over the world
host events and then do them there, and then they become the actual point of contact for
all these event meetups.
So, I think that would be super, super cool.
If you have something to say, Ozzy, otherwise, I'm going to go into what in the workshop I'm
going to do.
Yeah, go ahead.
I think that's, I'm looking forward to listening to that, too.
Go ahead.
Yeah, so, actually, I had to, like, kind of grind it out because I've never used the
third web library.
So, three weeks ago, I've decided I'm going to use the third web library to do an account
abstraction workshop.
I've heard a lot, a lot of bad takes about account abstraction, so I figured I'd just
make a workshop to clear it all up.
So, I'll show you how to build your own kind of website that will have no code option to
deploy your NFT project and to deploy a smart account system, and then a small, very limited
front-end code that will show you how easy it is to ship that.
So, if you go to the workshop and I show you the code, you should be able to walk out of
there with the ability to give away a free NFT on your own personal site.
So, it is really, really simple.
I was pretty impressed with the third web SDK kit.
You know, what I learned right now is if you're going to fail, fail fast, and having an MVP,
being able to whip up really quick was super cool.
I thought the third web team was really awesome when I had a couple issues.
They were pretty on it.
So, like, I don't work for third web, but they were pretty cool.
So, it's definitely something to check out.
It's something that I'll definitely start using in the future for quick MVPs and quick ideas.
But, you know, I like to build things from scratch as well, but that is definitely a very,
very cool tool, and you'll be able to see how you can do, like, you know, create an NFT
for free to claim with a wallet or something to claim for free if they don't have a wallet.
Like, if they don't have, you know, a MetaMask or Coinbase wallet or anything like that, they
can just pull it off just on the fly on their phone.
So, I'm making it that easy.
Hopefully, it doesn't screw up with the horrible internet.
Sometimes that happens when you go to events, but that'll be the cool showcase.
It's about how to do that.
It'll probably be, like, 30 minutes long, and I'll probably take quite a few questions
and answers, but that's going to be the focus of the workshop.
That sounds awesome.
Another part of the event is going to be two speaker panels, and one will be focused on
development and the development tools and some of the stories of some of our guests,
and the other one will focus more on the business case side of things.
And I think a good point to make, I think, just from these new tools that are coming
up and in the future are slowly to come up, it's that I think at one point we can all
possibly create things that we weren't able to create as easy as before, right?
Especially for us that don't specifically know how to code, but we will be able to.
So we are already able to, as Billy kind of explains, without very much knowledge, we
can use these tools that kind of give us access to these new tools and creations that
we can create.
One question I have for you, Billy, is how do you keep up with so much?
I know it's a simple question, but the space moves so fast, right?
New tools, new platforms, new chains.
I mean, where do you kind of put your side into what you put your value and your time into?
You just mentioned a couple of platforms, you know, you're working with different developers.
How do you choose?
How do you, what kind of guidelines use?
And maybe Steph can answer this too.
You know, how do you kind of stay up to date, but not overwhelm yourself with having to learn
so much coming from someone that is not a developer?
I would love to hear Steph's take on this too, but honestly, my answer is I wake up really
early now and I just play.
Like, everything sounds cool to me.
I'm like a kid in a candy store where, like, this SDK sounds cool and, like, that was a
cool idea.
And then I'll see something on my Twitter feed that someone's doing this.
I'm like, wow, that is cool.
I want to learn it too.
Like, right now I have a thirst for knowledge about learning all kinds of cool things out
there.
So, I mean, I feel like it's a bit overwhelming and sometimes I stress myself out.
I'm like, what am I stressed out for?
Like, I don't need to learn this.
I'm not on a timeframe, but I want to absorb it.
And so, but my biggest recommendation is to pick something that you're really passionate
about and go like, and just put full force because that will be like, it's too much to
swallow.
Like, you have to start picking and choosing which way you want to go.
Like, I was learning rust and I want to make a rust thing, but then I'm working on solidity
and then I also have to make a front end, you know, like, and it'll just tear you apart
because there's always these, these things that are being updated.
You know, the Wagme library was being updated like every three, four weeks.
And then I had to keep making adjustments just for that.
And then, you know, solidity version would come out and then I have to learn that.
So it can be a little bit overwhelming.
And if you don't really focus or pick something specific, you can get lost.
And I think that's why a lot of people get burnt out in this space.
But then I also do like, I do touch grass from time to time.
So like, it helps clear my mind instead of getting like too focused.
But like, I, I would say I have ADD of SDKs and I just keep playing with each one until
one sticks and I haven't found that one SDK that like I'm super in love with because they
all sound cool, you know, but Steph, let me, let me hear your set.
Hey, so totally relate to all of that and touching grass is awesome.
I feel like I get anxiety sometimes when I'm on Twitter and I'm like, oh my God, another
new thing and this new thing and this new thing and this new thing.
I want to do it all and learn it all and build it all.
But I just have to force myself to pick one thing at a time, go somewhat deep into it,
be okay with not understanding it fully.
And then if I'm really excited about it, just spending a bunch more time on that one
thing.
But it's really just prioritization and like picking what will be good for that week and
then also what I want to explore longer term.
And that's one reason why hackathons are really cool because you can just jump into something
that maybe you don't work with on a daily basis, do it for that and then maybe put it
down or get really into it.
Maybe even get a job in that one thing.
And tech is different now because like we don't have to just have one focus.
I feel like people get new jobs pretty often these days.
So it's kind of that fuck around, find out mentality where why not just try different
things and stick with what sticks.
It's all about opportunity in this space.
And like if you stick to one thing and you're really, really good at it, there's a space for
you and if you like to jump around and like stuff to fuck around and find out, there's
space for you too.
Like it's obvious that we don't have enough talent in this space yet to even like cover
the opportunities that is out there.
And I think that's what this event is going to like really show off because there's going
to be a lot of people that are interested in what Web3 is or what crypto is.
And we want to give them like it's not so bad.
You know, you can you can wear T-shirts at home.
You don't have to suit up to go to the office.
So like we're showing there's a different culture environment and there's ability to
explore.
And I think that's that's one of the biggest things is like you have the ability to just
tinker around and it really draws to people that are into like this type of like curiosity.
And there's just there's just so much to learn.
Like it's, you know, I'm pretty sure I left like it's like drinking from a fire hydrant,
right?
Like a lot of it's going to spill out, but the stuff you have, you're going to be good.
Did you have another question for us, Ozzy?
Yeah, actually, I do.
I mean, I have to ask for it because, I mean, I'm all on it and I'm trying to learn as much
as I can about it, right?
But as we started the conversation earlier, we mentioned, you know, Apple's new vision
device, right?
Um, which again, it's possible, but, um, I'm seeing in the future where we will be able
to use these different technologies together, right?
So I'll have an AI, you know, development assistant, someone to help me develop websites or dApps
or, and then I can have a movie director agent to help me direct movies or videos or content,
right?
Um, I want to know what are your thoughts on these new AI tools, right?
Um, these AI tools can just quickly, um, uh, kind of review your code, uh, find mistakes
that possibly could have taken longer.
I, I used to do front end coding.
I got to, I would say intermediate JavaScript, right?
And I remember sometimes it was just like a comma that would take me like 10, 15 minutes
to figure out that it was an extra comma or missing comma, whatever that was, right?
Things like that.
But now you can just, um, from what I've read, um, copy and paste some of this code and you
have, you know, at least someone to, to review.
Are you all using this code?
Uh, these, I'm sorry, these tools, these AI tools, I really wanted to get your, your feedback
on, on how you're using them, if you're using them and what should we expect in the future?
Definitely.
I'll, I'll take that one.
Uh, and I'd love to hear stuff, but I, I use AI every day.
Honestly, I, I, who hasn't used chat GPT, right?
I pay the 20 bucks to, to have the version four for the latest and greatest, but like
I use it all the time.
Like it's, it's like mathematician, not using a calculator, right?
It's not going to replace it.
It just enhances it.
It makes you faster for those, those little quick dumb things, like, like misplacing a
comma or something.
They're just the quick thing, like, Hey, what's wrong with my code?
And it'll tell me like in a few minutes.
So like, you'll be way, way faster, but it won't replace it because you still have to understand
like how things work and using code.
Like if, if you don't make reusable code, it's, it's not very good.
Right.
Like I kind of, it's like the meme, right?
Like where artists get mad, Hey, you use my work and that's my work.
You can't use it.
And then you look at developers.
Hey, that's my code.
It's like, well, is that your code?
I'm going to use it.
It was like, no, it's not my code.
I took it from somewhere else.
Right.
Like it's like you use what you need to use to, to get it done.
And like, if someone were to use my code, it would be like an honor to me.
Like, wow, you, you guys couldn't find anything better, but you know, it,
it's, it's just one of those things that we'll use whatever tool you can to,
to get there faster and, and to make it more efficient.
Right.
Like as for an auditing tool as a hacker, I wouldn't trust just chat GVT.
Right.
It's not there yet.
AI only knows what you teach it in a sense.
So, I mean, there's, there's still that, that human creativity that maybe we
haven't thought of just yet.
And that one guy in that room somewhere and, you know, figures it out, but it is
definitely something that I'll run through and say, Hey, is there any security
holes?
It's just one of those, another checks and balances that I use a part of my
daily.
Honestly, Steph, what do you do?
Sorry.
I think I got disconnected for a little bit of that.
What was the question?
A question just in general, just AI, right?
If you're using it, you're currently using it.
I mean, Billy were saying I'm using it for our event planning and content
planning.
Billy mentioned using it every day as well.
So I just wanted to get your feedback on how, what are your thoughts on it now?
How are you using it?
And then just your thoughts on how we can use it in the future.
Yeah, for sure.
So I've been using it a lot lately because I don't know go like the go language.
Um, I'm more of a JavaScript developer.
And so if I'm looking at other people's code and they're calling like, uh, different functions
and go, and I want to do similar things in my JavaScript app, I'll feed chat GPT, like
what they're doing, give it a little context to explain like what I'm trying to do and say,
oh, what is this copy function, for example, doing on this line?
And it'll just walk me through the code.
And then I'm able to kind of like process it and then rewrite it the way I need it to
for my apps.
So it's been pretty great.
Uh, just as like, it's almost like the senior developer that's sitting next to me, or it's
like the developer that I'm not afraid to ask questions to without sounding dumb.
Um, and like, obviously I could go to the go documentation and look up specifically, but
I just love that chat GPT, like understands the context of what I'm asking for.
And it's just so easy to use because it's a chat bot.
So I've been loving that.
And then, yeah, content and stuff is good as well.
I've used it for, um, coming up with like questions for panels, um, and interviews and
that kind of thing.
More when I'm doing that, I kind of drop what I'm looking for and then it gives me
10 ideas and I iterate on those ideas.
I never really use exactly what it gives me, if that makes sense.
Totally makes sense.
Um, just real quick, just to get a perspective, um, that go example you mentioned, I mean,
how much time do you think that saved you?
Right.
I mean, just to, just to get an example of, of, you know, how these tools can speed things
Do you mind letting us know how long it would have taken you to do that example before?
Tons.
I mean, I'm the type of developer who sometimes takes the path of most resistance.
Like I had this, a similar thing happened to me when I was trying to figure something
out in Rust last year.
And so I stopped what I was doing.
I like found a learn Rust in an hour course.
I didn't learn enough in that hour.
So I bought a Udemy course for $12.
I started that, didn't finish it.
And then I might never have even gotten back to the task that I was actually doing.
So I would just say like, it saves me hours and hours because it unblocks my worst impulses
to like go too deep into something.
I just get the question answered, solve the problem and like move on to the next thing instead
of fixating on like one thing that I don't know.
So it sounds like at least a half a day or a day of time.
For sure.
It doesn't let me get distracted.
Yeah, same here.
It's amazing.
And again, I'm thinking too about the future, right?
Like if these are just the version ones or version, you know, whatever we're at with
these tools, I can only imagine a year or two from now how these tools will evolve.
So Billy, do you have any other items to chat about or do you want me to go continue with
my questions?
No, no.
A couple of questions.
And, you know, it's kind of like circling back into like the developer focus workshops
like for this event that's going to start it off, you know, depending on the success of
the event on there and like where everybody wants to go forward.
We really want to have like these developer focus with workshop focus, kind of like the
conversation we're having right now.
That's kind of like a, I would say a fireside chat.
Like these are the people that are curious about like what are people doing?
Like, oh, they use ChatGPT.
I use Copilot, you know, again, these are things that are just saves me a bunch of time.
Just like Steph, I guess I got deep in there.
I'll never forget the one time I was doing like a final for chemistry and then I looked
up something on Google and then I decided to start learning about quantum physics.
And then two hours later, I realized that, you know, I didn't learn anything and I still
needed to have that final the next day.
But, you know, so those things kind of happen to you and like having these tools, like it's
just like, it's amazing, right?
So like, if you're not using these tools right now, that's what people in the industry are
doing, right?
So like, you know, that's kind of like a heads up and there's tons of free AI tools
out there too.
You don't have to use Copilot.
You can use some free ones, but, you know, learning to have an assistant will help you
with certain things is one of these things that we want to come out of the workshops,
right?
Like these are the tips and tricks that you want from other developers that are local to
you to talk about, right?
Like, otherwise nobody who sits there and makes posts about them, you know, this is
what I happen to do from time to time.
I don't read threads, so I wouldn't read them if someone posted it.
So come on with your questions.
All right.
I just want to invite everyone who is a guest to, if they wanted to come up and ask questions,
please feel free to do so.
We're getting close to the end.
We wanted to keep this to about an hour or so.
So if you have any questions for Billy from Developer DAO or Steph, who is here sharing
her time with us at the moment, it would be great to get some of your questions.
Or if anyone wants to come up and just find out any other details about Thursday's event,
please feel free to do so and come up and request if you like.
I would like to mention that before anyone comes up, we are continuing to partner with
Developer DAO and Coinbase and a few other partners to start bringing, continue to bring
other events.
We're not making an announcement today, unfortunately, but we're very close to making a couple of
announcements of different cities in Latin America and possibly one here in the U.S.
in the near future where we will make this a part of our experience, which is, you know,
learning again, right, which has been part of our experience.
But even so, for developers as well, I think, especially in Latin America and here in the
U.S. too, there's a strong market for both talent in Latin America for developers and visual
artists.
And there's also quite a bit of companies that are also growing there, as well as universities
that are teaching these courses as well.
So one last question I had is, you know, we're having a developer workshop, but we found
that even just working with our relationships and working with the type of content that we
have, that business, the business side, right, business development is very close, as Liz
kind of mentioned earlier.
Billy and Steph, why do you both think this is the case?
And I know it's traditional business, right?
I think it always kind of goes on hand.
It's not anything new, right?
But I think these careers are getting a little bit more closer to each other, right?
A developer has to understand the business case for it.
And some of us even, as you are, developer Dow and you, Steph, represent in a way the business
case for your companies as well, right?
So do you guys mind giving us insight as why business development and, you know, blockchain
development is kind of working so much closer now?
Yeah, I'll start it off with that one.
Pretty much in this aspect, you know, it's not the best product that wins the battle.
It's the one that everybody uses the most.
And so, you know, we've kind of learned that through history with like, gosh, Betamax and
VHS, right?
Betamax was a superior product, but then everybody used VHS, you know, HD DVD versus Blu-ray.
You know, Sony had the genius move of dropping it in all their Playstations to come out.
So I got more usage, you know, so it's like, just because you have the best tech, if nobody
knows about it, no one's going to use it.
And that becomes the end of your product.
So understanding the way, you know, people work and marketing works and just the way the
business world works, it just can make or break your dap, right?
Like that's the case there.
How many people do the same thing?
How many marketplaces are there in the space?
But how does one have dominance over the other?
Or how does one take dominance from the other if they both kind of do the same thing?
So there is that aspect that as developers, we get so stuck, or at least I do, we get
so stuck on the functionality of some things that we think that is so cool.
Like how many times have I spent like six, seven hours or days on something and then I
show it and in 10 seconds, like that's it, right?
Like it's such a lead down.
You put your heart and passion into all this technical stuff, but like how people care,
like they don't care how it works.
They just want to know what their experience is like.
So, you know, that matters, right?
Like if you have all the best tech, but the experience is bad, then no one's going to
use your dap.
And I think you need to hear that from other people and you need to realize that like,
oh, this is not, you know, while it's really cool and it was a technical anomaly, you know,
it sucks.
What do you just take stuff?
Yeah, it's completely that.
And it's also that like the blockchain can kind of be invisible if it's done super well.
Like users don't really have to know exactly what's happening behind the scenes.
When we use Netflix, the only reason we know it's an AWS service is because when it goes down,
they blame like S3 or something.
And so people are like, oh, AWS is down.
Um, but like business development is important because you're basically convincing different
value, the value layer of the internet, like the application layer to build on the blockchain.
And then people fall in love with those apps.
Like I have no idea what Spotify is using behind the scenes.
I just love that app.
And so whoever their cloud provider or whatever other stuff going on under the hood is, is
super lucky because they Spotify drives a ton of business for that tech.
And we don't even know or care what it is.
We just know we have a great experience with Spotify.
So the more Spotify types or great user experiences built on the blockchain, the better.
It's almost like evangelism for blockchain without us having to say anything about decentralization
because people just find something that they're really excited about, whether that's Lens,
right, which is like the social app where you own your own content and can take your followers
and all of that to any front end that you use, or whether it's Uniswap or anything, if it's
adding value because of the app, then that's kind of like secret business development that's
happened for blockchain without the protocol actually having to do anything, which is cool.
So just to chime in there, that's kind of the reason why I'm doing the workshop in account
abstraction, right, to show that you can make a nicer user experience than what is currently.
And just letting you know, hey, here's the starting point.
Imagine what you can do when you put your mind into whatever you want it to do, free swaps
or free claims or whatever.
Like you don't even need a wallet.
You just need your email address or you don't even need an email address.
So creating those experiences for users is going to be like what sets it off.
And I don't care what chain I'm on.
I just want to do whatever I need to do, right, that kind of stuff.
Absolutely right.
I mean, I think, I don't know, it feels like we're all kind of getting closer to the different
areas that were before and we're redefining what our careers and our titles are.
Not that necessarily we need a specific title, but again, before business development, you
know, and programming development was not as close.
And I, at least in my experience, everything seemed getting closer, even with artists, right?
Artists have to be up to date with these new technologies.
Not necessarily all of them, but it does help.
So that's the end of my questions.
Billy, do you have any other things you want to follow up about the event or about your events?
No, no, actually, that's just a good time to close it off as we're coming into the hour.
I just want to remind everybody, definitely check out the space coming up this Thursday,
June 8th.
Developer DAO members, if you weren't, if you didn't know you were coming, because I know
I've been telling it on the Discord, but you decided now you're coming to LA, let me know,
hit me up.
We will get you in.
I have DevDAO stickers.
I know merch has been really hard to get for Developer DAO.
So I have stickers.
They ruined them the first run.
So I told them to reship me the new one.
So hopefully they get here on time.
Otherwise, I have the backups, but I have something.
So if you've never had Developer DAO merch, this will be the time for some sticker swag.
And definitely hope to make a lot of good connections.
That's the biggest thing.
I'm dying to meet other developers in my area that are at least within an hour range.
I think that would be the most beneficial, having Developer DAO members in the same room
as like Coinbase Ventures and a lot of people that can change opportunities was kind of the
primary goal for the, you know, the partnership collaboration with the base meetups, right?
And then just having this thing, being able to go with DevDAO members, you know, around
the world.
So, you know, hopefully that's a go and hopefully this thing's a success.
I'm looking to have fun.
It's not all Dev and nerd stuff.
You know, I can have fun too.
You'll find out on Thursday.
So that's for me.
Bill is providing the entertainment, by the way, if you guys didn't know that.
Yeah, I really do the same.
Expect everyone to see everyone there.
You know, I think for me, every event is an experience.
Every event we grow.
Every event we make a whole lot new connections.
I'm looking forward to meeting Steph.
I feel like I know her here on Twitter, but, you know, it's crazy once you get that feeling
when you see the person in real life.
And it's here in L.A., which, you know, a few of us here in L.A., and I'm glad to be
able to meet you and a whole lot of other people that are coming on Thursday.
If you have any questions about the event, please feel free to DM anyone on the team,
either Billy, me, or Liz, or Ritzy, or anyone, or our Hola Meta Derso account.
And, yeah, and if anyone didn't get a chance to register and they do want to attend, just
send us a DM as well and we'll add you to the list.
Thank you, everyone.
Billy, do you have anything else to add?
No, that's all.
I look forward to seeing everybody out there.
Hopefully, you guys like my workshop, and hopefully, you guys like the panel.
I'd just love to meet all the developers out there and, you know, look in the chat.
Don't be afraid.
I don't bite that hard.
And thank you so much, Steph, for making the time to come out here.
I know you're, like, super, super busy.
I don't know if you have any closing statements.
No, I just can't wait to see you all this week.
Thanks for having me.
Thank you, Steph.
Looking forward to meeting you on Thursday.
All right, guys.
Have a good one, and we'll put out some tweet reminders before the actual event.
But catch you guys soon.
All right.
All right.
All right.
