a little thumbs up if you can hear
can you hear what's going on
we got our little bugs up from Joe
alright so this is a new time
this could be a good time
you know you wanna see me
Joe what about think about getting
we'll get Dua Lipa to sing it
we'll get Dua Lipa to sing it
I totally fangirled for Dua Lipa
we'll give it another minute or two
let's just do some news while we kinda like
start to fill the space up with some
Joe what's the hottest thing
the thing you're most bullish on recently
probably things I'm not a lot of talk about
you're not a lot of talk about
that thing about the thing
if you do a thousand dollars worth of things
you get ten thousand dollars worth of things
I have to get you in on this thing
we should talk about that thing later
a one hundred and one type of thing
you like one hundred and ones
I will take that all day every day
that also isn't guaranteed
what is the net present value on a one hundred and one
depends what's the percentage
good question good question
what would the opportunity cost
it would have to be like a
less than a ninety nine percent chance
percent chance that it goes bye bye
the ten to twenty percent chance
kava squid router right now
one hundred dollars of kava to bridge
I was quoted when I tried to bridge
when I tried to bridge kava
three hundred and fifty dollars
alright what else is going on
I like the bear chain people
we're doing a lot of compound stuff
the restaking market is super hot
we got we talked to a restaking
not eigenlayer but one of their derivatives
and dude that's super hot
the amount of money that's piling into restaking is like
embedded yield in a stable coin
it was just a market play
it's basically a hedge fund
package it as a stable coin with APY
sometimes all you need to do
is just package a different idea
the same way as a stable coin
with twenty seven percent embedded APR
I know what you're saying
you don't have to reinvent the wheel
you just have to repackage it
you get attention you get the right attention
and get to repackage it then
then you get all of the Schmeckles
this doesn't feel like a bull market
what are you talking about bro
the conversations that we've had with protocols
I'm not gonna say any names or say any numbers but
just it seems like there's a lack
there's a general lack of conviction
on the business to business side
like we're not at the point yet where people are going
I'm ready to throw spaghetti at the wall
here's a bunch of Chuck E. Cheese tokens
we're not talking on the right people
so who do we need to be talking to
see you have these like true believers
of these products and then you have like the pure Ponzi guys
and you actually need to find
this overarching thing where there's a little bit of Ponzi
and a little bit of Fonzi
and like but they're also true believers
so it's it can't be 100% Ponzi
capital efficiency because there's just not enough juice in between
it's actually like a rare breed
to be honest with you it's like why
why working with Compound is like
really really cool because we're the guys that are gonna be like
pushing the edges and then there's also
conservative nature individuals that are like
whoa whoa whoa guys slow down
while we can't do that that's it's too degenerate
so but you need that tension
if you don't have that tension
and turn on the company then you get too Ponzi
or you get too conservative
alright so there's a need for a little bit of political
yeah so what we're basically
what you're basically saying to me is like
500 million like valuation
like what are you doing bro
like where are you gonna move from there
like there's only one way to move
if you just launch it like a 200 million
or 500 million or a billion dollar valuation
I think the biggest like proponent of this is
they launched a token day one with
30 billion dollar fully diluted valuation
where in the heck is the protocol gonna go from there?
like right underneath Solana
like what are you doing bro
like there's no place for you to go but down
you can't come out of the gate and say we're Solana
I want to give these guys the benefit of the doubt
I also I invited somebody from the audience up here
to speak about a project that they
and if they're willing to come up
and talk about why they did that
I would love to hear but Brian
for a project to come out
a project that has not raised a lot of money in the past
it's not like they're in their series C
they don't have that much money that they raised
I'm trying to think of a good analogy for that
with that kind of insane valuation
they came out of the gate
they came out of the gate at 36 billion
and now they got their market cap
dude I think it's down only
until you find like a stabilization price
which I think will probably end up around a couple billion
finding that stabilization price
from under than from above
right you want a nice linear
you're never going to be able to raise money
if your price discovery happened
then you literally have to rebuild
plan is we're going to dump on retail
that's like every airdrop ever
the reason why you airdrop
is that you give crazy like pool incentives
and then you just slow rug retail
airdrops would make sense
a token that was a voucher
so it's almost like you're not
you're not airdropping chucky cheese tokens
you're airdropping vouchers
so it's still a marketing thing
it's kind of like airdropping points
and then you take those points
that's exactly what I was just going to say
that it's like 100% points
that way it can't be gamed huh
yeah and then you can kind of like
adjust your points and like discount points
uh subscribing we usually have
like double triple what we got like
do they want to come up and speak
I don't know these people's
I've been fine here we go we got
hey can uh you guys hear me
third or fourth episode of
we're switching into a new time
because 4pm I usually have to
pick up my kids and it's just not ideal
I'm gonna check here this also
may not be the most ideal
there may be a lot of competition
so we might we might do late night
we might we might change it up to early morning
do late night let's see what else is going on
Brian you want to hit that music
the music's too good too distracting
it's way too good yeah I can't focus
yeah you can't focus on that voice of mine
I've seen you in the audience before
I would love to let's get intimate here
we got we have you know like
that's the recording we send this to
Ecosystem BD we send this to investors after
the fact that I want to learn
building a crypto patreon
an alternative that makes sure content
their own subscription smart
contract from our central
you know what do you call it a contract so we
then pretty much act as a
third like party between the
sub what do you call scriber and the
this then pretty much always make sure
that they can always get their what do you call
on like what do you call top of this we also
plan to add a sort of social
in like what do you call which that content
sort of upload their you know content
and then they're like what do you call pain like members
can like leave you know comments
what do you call exclusive
you know made a version 1 of the protocol
that focused more as a payment
now with a sort of this sort of
the assistant crypto like a
Patreon focus I am pretty
much updating the protocol
and then making sure that
what do you call up to what
do you call date and then we plan to do a
new like launch within 3 what do you call
a months and then pretty much
like what do you call tend to do grassroots
funding or then work with certain
what he called creators that wanted
pushback that I'm going to
say is getting these creators
how are you going to get the creators on
I think that the best way forward
content you know let's say
man I like hate how I'm being treated
by these what do you call companies
like them and say hey we are actually
to pretty much have that sense of
you know you can then test
so like pretty much we will then
let them test the system for
like free right they can like get
like those tokens like coming in
for like free so pretty much my whole
idea with getting those content
is pretty much fighting those
ideologically sympathetic ones
and then sort of giving them either
didn't exactly answer the question as
are you doing hand to hand combat
what's currently working to
the highest conversion rate
currently a self funded project
get a I mean like a sit down with them
I mean obviously with different like content
you know creators there's different like methods
they I mean like offer like services and like
which like you can sit down with them for like 15 and like
30 minutes but pretty much
limits and pretty much find the ones that are
you know ideologically sympathetic
answering the you know a question right
no you're not really you're not really
I know you said it's a self funded project
but in terms of all the different experiments
you've run to try and onboard users
the closest thing to a silver bullet that you have found thus far
and then getting pretty much the message
out there and getting to sit down
with them on a sort of face to face level
I mean last year I went to East Denver
and I matched the network a little
doing that I sort of found that
people really definitely do dig the idea
you know I sit through with them
test like the protocol and all that
sort of like secondary strategy
is that I'm pretty much the first
I am pretty much the first
we will then also have a test
which then let's say interested parties
let's say either test like chains or then
and in that sort of manner so this is
is there something I can use
today to really check this out
I actually took it down because
the vision that I have now and it's
open to giving a tour of the
like I still have everything
pretty much showing it off
and then kind of showing the things
okay what about strategic
in what you're building have you already
explored some partnerships are you
actively seeking partnerships
partnerships with either certain
companies that kind of want to get in on
yeah I mean I'm certainly open to
he called have had talks with a few
but this would have to be followed
through once the project is
yeah it's pretty much uh that's pretty much
my thoughts I mean you're definitely
you're in a pretty tough spot in terms
it's not super straightforward
and your TAM isn't massive
I don't know Brian any other
yeah I do I have lots of thoughts
is one of the hardest things
reason is that most creators
are not professional and the ones that are
professional that drive a lot of the traffic
you have to have so much capital to just buy
the best way to do it is find have this already
for a creator that exists
and you're building it for them and then they kind of are
because the capital required
the other thing you can do is find an
and one of the people that
basically built Locals.com
and this is kind of the direction
was one of these individuals
who was getting cancelled from
known problem, understandable
the thought process here on my side is like
how do you get that first creator
partner and how much revenue
and attention can they have
because if you don't have that then you have to raise
a massive amount of capital and they're not going to take
you know, Chuck E. Cheese token
they're going to take real dollars
your platform, Justin Bieber
you know, the thing I always say in these
Kickstarter didn't make Pebble Watch
Pebble Watch made Kickstarter
meaning that as soon as Pebble Watch raised a million
dollars on Kickstarter, Kickstarter
a million dollars too, if I just have a good enough idea
and a good enough design, I too
can go raise a million dollars
so it kind of bootstraps the
attention framework, otherwise you have to buy
your way in and every time you buy your way in
you can have some crazy tokens, some crazy
token dynamics that encourages creators
but what you're basically going to happen is
a bunch of like civil creators
that aren't going to be able to create that viral loop
this will exist and this should exist
YouTube and TikTok are like the two things where anybody
so when you're trying to go into this
how do I get this game with the YouTubers
the capitalization without
a true partner from the very beginning
but I am also looking for
like DMO partners as well
you know, like someone that
to that type of partnership
you know, they would just have to come
totally, yeah and I think
before that occurs I think
that's going to be like the main
or makes or breaks this concept and idea
thank you very much for your time
yeah dude, that was rad, thanks for coming
here and chit chat a little bit more about
there is a real estate one that we recently got
I really like the concept, Joe, how are you feeling about that one?
I still need to, I want to hear
two fold, a fractional real estate
is where they are starting
revenue in the form of an
you bring your real estate onto the platform
get a premium by taking crypto
and maybe there's less fees
then let's say Airbnb, less rules and
regulation, kind of like regulatory arbitrage
produces a stream of revenue
just a little bit more clear
the question is which one do they start with
they're able to pass through the regulatory framework
the fractionalized real estate
the Airbnb, both products
they don't have the regulatory stuff
selling the fractionalized real estate
it's just one of those things where you just have to get started
it's a re-hypothecation of like
dude just go after all the Patreon people
and you have a thing it's like hey you can earn more
fees and you don't have to pay less fees
and you don't have to pay less fees
going to say that yeah I mean when I was
I was like alright what already
world it just kind of dragged it into
what he called a crypto because
to bring the things that people
you know and this is just in my
a what do you call opinion I've been following
the crypto market for like
we actually bring in everyday
just going to be this sort
of big money making thing
it's not actually going to be
a system like that people
sharp elbows let's get those things
I want the chaos I want to see the chaos
I'm really pumped for Denver
I think Denver is going to be
everybody is kind of just
sitting on the sidelines they're expecting
you get a lot of new business done
that really might be I just heard of
Ethereum foundation backed
it's all got the sequencer
dude I love your dolly image
that could be really huge
also they're selling pick axes
I'm saying who's ready for
Denver with that clown image
and pitching your project
actually mind if I get to drop my
site and everything just because I didn't
sure so you can actually go
bottom if you ever want to talk
questions up there that used to be
one but yeah thank you guys
thank you for having me out
I hate how accurate it is
data availability decentralized sequencer
that anybody can use as a form of
infrastructure to re-hypothecate
how you doing nice to meet you
how's it going why you guys are working with some
well yeah you haven't heard about my new
you got something you're working on?
yeah yeah I don't know if I'm in the right place here
web 3 influenced and web 3 funded
and 8 years of that working with
non-profit housing counseling agencies
their counselors to deal with the general public
at the end of every single conversation
every time you go into NeighborWorks
in southern New Hampshire
and they've got buckets of crayons and markers
and loose paper all over the place
I have been developing an
in order to facilitate the work
that the counselors are doing in the office
the counseling financial literacy
non-profit organizations and then
the education system and non-profit
I was lucky enough to get
with the right developers and we're
so far? Does that make sense?
NeighborWorks of Southern New
a lead generation tool or
is this a kind of visualization
custodian reporting type of tool?
This is an educational tool
you have financial literacy counselors that
are overworked, they have too many people
so this tool helps them in their counseling
Who pays for the education?
who pays the counselors right now?
It's a combination of state and
Yeah, so this is a grants game.
this is a new way of going after
go after federal and state grants
so figuring out how you get into high schools
or how you get into like colleges
or community colleges for this
Education is a channel partner game
unless you have something that's spicy
that's new that financial literacy
you find the channel partner, you create the
contracts and you go from there.
If you're like financial literacy
would go the commission junction
something spicy is like learn about
and how to trade it or whatever
that is kind of like where
and it's probably the most expensive
thing that any B2B or B2C
company can do is spend money on education
problem aware enough to be able to buy
this as a couple different ways
but it feels a little bit like
log in with your Robinhood and
your portfolio stack looks like
as you get more complicated
feel like RIA's hedge funds
Morningstar so depending upon
on their financial literacy
of the interface could get more and more advanced
until the point where they're at
consumer to professional trader
level of education and the interface
starts to change as the level
at the level of intelligence or
ranking or sophistication of the product
you have hundreds of thousands
probably like 200,000 people in crypto
a portfolio connected to their wallet
thing in crypto would be attach your wallet
or link to your wallet and have some sort of
pseudo-visualization of what
you're at and what different
types of opportunities you could look at
Zappify raised a whole bunch of money
and Debank raised a whole bunch of money for this
type of this type of engagement
specific in their engagements
educationally, getting people on board
the other people that kind of like do this
so think Rabbit Hole, thinkearn.com
they're doing all of these different quests
that you have to get and then
they literally pay you to take these quests now
so there's a lot of innovative
plays in the crypto sphere
touching around the points
yeah, I don't think you're wrong
from first-hand experience
I've been finding that out
and my goal is to volunteer
at the Housing Counseling Center
and use this in the field real time
and get beta feedback on it
make sure that the aesthetics
and actually going to do something
so I actually have a revenue and cash flow
prototype and start approaching a VP
I happen to be at an early stage of prototyping
and making sure that this
concept that I really love
in the field, so before I dump
yeah, you're in a hard space
dude, like really diving into
channel partners from a business point
of view is probably the number one thing
it's one of these black holes where you can spend
an infinite amount of money to get people
so gamifying the educational
financial literacy is super
here's $10 to join PayPal
nerd, was it nerd wallet?
also did really good at this
what they ended up doing is creating all of these banking
affiliate deals after you attach your bank account
did really well, all of these
guys, if you're able to carve out
that interface, attach to the right bank
useful, I don't know if you've looked at the latest
sniffing at the same idea
translate down the road is the fact that
have come to separate financial literacy
and I try to hone in on financial
drive that home just so that
people have a reflective mechanism
so they can actually see their position
versus where they believe they're at
of writing mortgages it was so
percent debt ratio and the people are like
yeah no that's fine, we can afford it, it's good
I'm like your debt ratio is
your cash flow? And they just don't
and actual financial literacy
analogy to that data transfer
so people aren't trying to read
charts, graphs, percentages
because in my experience the lay
person shuts down the second
using up 80 percent of your cash flow
and this is your disposable
they're done, the language
amazing job at re-tidling
you know it's a reflection
you know what I mean like
it's unique and engaging terminology
that has been driving the education
I think is how I feel about that
yeah as long as people are
reverting to emojis and hieroglyphics
the more you can communicate
in emojis and hieroglyphics the better
people will be, the more people will be able to
thank you for this conversation
this is awesome for me, I really appreciate it
one of the themes is a samurai
my character type to be a
samurai, if your debt ratio
is very bad, if you've got a very
the sword will be like a pocket knife
percent DTI, a really nice
one month reserves, he's got
a loin cloth, but if you've got
12 month reserves and cash
he's decked out with armor
that's the type of analogies we're going through
to get the information and education across
people don't like to look at the truth
do you know how much power people gain
taking a look in the truth mirror
and seeing where they're actually
do you know how many people I've counseled
who came to me in a panic
and once I showed them, look man
this is your debt ratio, here's your reserves
based on your living expenses
this is your credit stance, dude you're doing great
reserve, you've got a 7.50 FICO
higher score doesn't do you any
you're running a 25% debt ratio
what are you panicking about
and the emotions of investing
to realize where you're actually at
and granted for some people
it's not a pretty picture
of it are almost always lost
through the emotion of being in a bad situation
so when you can break it down
and show somebody, look I know things are tight
but you actually do have an extra
250 a month that you can start
using to get yourself back on track
yeah, I'm always scared of
on the opposite side, people think that they're
making a ton of money living in San Francisco
and I was telling people on this call
here, whatever, how much money we were making
and our take home after the expenses
with kids in San Francisco was nothing
I was making the most money I ever made
in my whole entire life but
that it was just like, we'd have nothing
so, you know, all of those things
it's like, alright, time to get the F out
that's one of the reasons why we left, plus the pandemic
and the political stuff, but we don't
take a look at Financial Samurai
owner over there, this is kind of what
he was going for, he's one of the biggest
affiliates, bloggers in the space
there might be something to do, work with him
you know, the financial blogging
and kind of Reddit and Wall Street Bets
to go to customer, or go to consumer
what you're basically trying to
trader hobbyists, there is
a big market, crypto Twitter
for trading, I'm sorry, not crypto
Twitter, but financial Twitter
before crypto Twitter there was
the stock sharing Twitter, so
financial literacy as a hobby, there
are a whole bunch of people that do that
right channel partners is basically
So first off, I immediately followed
Financial Samurai, thank you for the tip
off, I'll absolutely be engaging
thought process on this was that
reports, which is a year and a half ago
education component is on
and it's I think number 13
for the solution of a $265
like that's an opportunity
It's either that or nobody cares
that I'm barking up the wrong tree.
I think it's a little bit of both
bro, that's what I'm trying to communicate
like I was at 2014, 10 years ago
we're selling hedge funds online, the first
company ever to sell hedge funds online
we would be able to get into it were
angel investors that wanted a different
And to gather these prosumers
financial educated prosumer
believes that they're smarter than the
market and they're looking for alpha and they're looking
this tool feels like it's cool for them.
What I was kind of keep on trickling
was this idea of lead generation.
tool, you understand your financial literacy of
where you're at and then you can start
to serve them affiliate deals because
these are the type of products
that you need in this particular financial
the play on the prosumer play.
really help and educate people that
I think motivation is like the number
one thing that you can't change in people.
So you have to kind of build
things that people are motivated already
for. There's a lot of things that
you can influence people on but motivation
Dude, I love what you're saying.
I'm in such agreement with you and that's
that I can sell this tool in this
and once I have a business established
with a positive revenue stream,
even if it's tiny, I don't care if it's a penny
going to set me up in a position
tried to niche down as hard
what I felt was my comfort zone
the bigger partners and investors
and scaling. I don't know.
That's been my philosophy. Does that sound
you have kids in the background.
you're probably not in your 20s.
the more conservative approach
that I get into the beauty relationships
instead of trying to go consumer
and build something that's
year olds and the 18 year olds and that type of thing.
It's like channel partners
trying to do it on my own.
buckets of money that can throw 25K
I lean into that more than I'm like
I'm going to build this thing and it's going to go
I hope I didn't give you the wrong impression.
I'm not looking for that.
a couple businesses that have
counselors and I'm selling them a tool.
Yeah, you did say that. I forgot about that.
My whole thing is that my overhead
and my cost of ownership is very low
because I've been bootstrapping the Jesus out of this.
Yeah, so this is a Sharp Elbows game then.
It's LinkedIn. It's RAAs.
It's like here's another tool to help you
describe where your customers are at.
You get them on the phone and it's a big
The affiliate side of it looks pretty
If the imagery and it resonates then people will share with
their friends like, oh look,
I've got a couple thousand people
a couple dozen different themes and
we're just going to keep growing the themes
and we've got some 3D artists in the community
the community resources where we're
building out more 3D assets to use as well.
Casey, this has been rad.
We're getting up to closing time here.
I am so appreciative of all this time.
I'm so sorry to everybody else. I hope you don't
Thank you. I get to stretch my brain
and my growth hacking rails a little
I'm down for it. Let's do the crypto
talk sometime too though. I'll come back and
we'll ruck it up on the crypto side. I'm totally
wallet and they sign up their
wallet and you put in the same visualizations
and hey, you've been sitting
for six months. Why don't you
have that in a money market? You could be
while I was just sitting there.
Giving them kind of advice and actions and then
having an affiliate model between these
Always good to see where you're at. Brian, are you
guys doing this on the regular? I see this is
We're trying to do it once a week.
I don't want to call it the
worst one, but this has been the least
attended. We were usually doing it
at 4pm EST and we would get
I think there's just a lot of competition
at this time on Twitter Spaces
the time. We were doing it at 4pm EST
in the past. We're going to try to do it once a week.
We're going to fluctuate on the time
and the whole thing here is
come up, do a one minute pitch for your
crypto project. If it's hot, we'll introduce
you to some ecosystems and
investors and if you think it needs
It's a way for us to generate
clients. It's a way for us to generate
deal flow to the investors and
ecosystem people that we have. We're always
and we're going to move over to
if Alt-T-Where is going to take it from
Alt-T-Where. I'll just say thank you.
Thank you so much. That's awesome.
So nice to meet you. Followed everybody.
Alt-Where, what do you got?
Sorry, I joined very late
because I had something to do
I'm really sorry about that.
really crypto based but there is a crypto
aspect to it. I don't know if that's
or if that's fine with my project.
was social media like Instagram
which was fine. We get orders from
various European countries because I'm in North Cyprus
That was the major sales channel we had
besides our website. All the traffic
to our website came from our social media
platform so we would get orders
2023 I noticed a very sharp decline
algorithm changes like our
barely any return. Alt-Where.
one minute left. What's your pitch?
now there's been a very sharp increase
There are a lot of clothing brands especially amongst
Gen Z founders. A lot of Gen Z
that really launched a lot of
clothing brands right now. So now the pitch is
Unarchived is a platform for
clothing brands specifically. It's a social
network for clothing brands.
Because now the organic reach
favor brands. Doesn't allow smaller
growth on these platforms. So now it's a separate
platform for clothing brands where they
can get exposure. They can
really grow their brands from the platform
the crypto aspect of it, because I'm trying to solve
various pain points. So we wanted to allow
can buy into. It's like investing in a
specific collection. They could release a collection
profits to people that invested in
just a rough estimate. That's just a rough
aspect in it. Yes. That's cool man.
I think that's a very interesting
are you at in your process? We are building
of my team. So that's actually the meeting
that I was in meeting with one of my devs
before I came here. So we're building out the NVP
right now for the platform
Cool. Why don't we do this?
I gotta run. We're literally
shutting down here. Why don't we
come back another time? We'll have
you present again and we'll be able to give
conversations and thought process
into this. But it's a very
cool...I think it's an interesting
concept. I think a lot of these
a lot of that market right
now is handled by the agencies.
handle the marketing for the
clothing brands are the ones that you need to go to.
brand or a winner out of the gate or
that you can start to capture a large enough market.
But happy to discuss this another time. Gotta
Kill Crypto. We're gonna do it every week.
We're gonna find the right time to do this
and thanks for everybody who popped up
and joining. And we'll do this again
next week. Actually we're gonna skip next week.
We're gonna be in Denver. We're kinda booked
back to back to back next week. So we'll probably
skip next week and do it the week after.
Thanks for everybody for joining.