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KINDRED MINT PARTY
Recorded: March 25, 2025 Duration: 0:58:28Space Recording
Short Summary
Kindred AI is launching the world's first agenic AI protocol, introducing innovative INFTs with dynamic metadata. The project involves strategic partnerships with Abstract chain and well-known IPs, reflecting a trend of integrating popular culture into blockchain. The launch includes 1000 Genesis INFTs with a free mint on abstract chain, emphasizing user-friendly tech and seamless experiences.
Full Transcription
Bhopal
Bhop
Bhop
Bhop
The way is coming up
The storming high
Leap in the state
Call in life
Say you're gonna see your help
Say you want a child
Say you're having home
Say you're having home
Say you're once you get the beam
Once you have you all
Says it's gonna hear
One step back to be
Now it's your love
How would you believe
Till it's gone
Fainting on the light of
this same
Get in out my mind
And be able to say
You need to sing a rope
Say you want to trip
Say you have and how do you
Say you want to know
Once you've been feeling
Once you've been feeling
Once you're at the wall
Says it's got to be a girl
call
to leave
now is your
love
why once you believe
in you
tell it's gone
once you get the feeling
once you're back
the wall
now it's a thin
feet
one step back to
leaving
jumping after wall
why want you
believe in
until it's gone
you gave to me
all I know
I will stay here
I will
you gave to me all I know I will stay here.
Let me see
once you've got the wall
sense it's got to heal
you won't make the calls out
once you're like you leave us out
now is moving off
why won't you believe it's out
until it's gone
once you get to be in
once you get to
now it gets a little
false up
once that's like you leave
as I jump in up
why won't you believe
until it's gone
dog,
that's
that
that's
that,
GM, GM, everybody. Welcome back to another banger show with Kindred. IP fuels intelligence,
world's first agenic AI protocol where iconic IPs come to life. Today, it is the day.
Kindred, Mim Party is upon us. It's got a bunch of Banga guest speakers to dive into the show with,
but for the first half, me and Max are going to chop it up.
and learn a little bit more about Kindred
and what this Min Party is all about.
Max is the CEO of Kindred AI,
antagonist to Hal 9,000.
I always love reading that second half.
Max, I want to get the mic straight over to you here.
You're excited for the show today.
What do you think is going to bring us?
Hey, Jack.
Always bringing in the energy, as usual.
I'm super excited this morning.
This is a long time coming.
I think it's been something that I've been thinking about for,
arguably years, really. It's the kind of first mascot that represents our entire brand and
beginning to actually kick off a lot of the IP launches that we have in store. And it's,
it's something that, yeah, I'm just super excited for and can't wait to actually see people
start using and having Kindred on their computers.
Yeah, look, I'm really excited for this as well.
Like, genuinely, this is something I want to get involved in and see my IP grow as well.
So really, really excited for this.
I want to start the show probably touching and kicking off on, you know, why the mint matters to the community.
So they're going to be the questions I'm going to throw out you.
I know you've got the answers.
So we're excited to dive into this.
And look for our listeners, if you are excited for the show today, likes, retweets, all that good stuff.
I want to get as many people in here as possible to hear all about Kindred today.
And your support is the way to do that.
Also make sure you're following Kindred and the speaker's up on stage.
Okay, Max, let's just dive straight into it.
It's just me and you right now.
Why should the community be excited about this drop?
Yes, I mean, like I said, this is something that was arguably two years in the making.
So for the past two years, I've been collecting with my team, some of the top Web 2 and Web 3 IP, the world has seen.
These are globally recognized brands, but we're looking at ways in which we can usher these IP in, right?
Because they need to be meaningful. They need to like follow a storyline in a sense.
sense. And so you can reference something like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, right? And so in that first arc, right, we all know that ended in endgame. Each of the movies was strategically placed so that it continues to chip away at the longer term, the longer storyline. And so
To us, Clara, is that kind of Iron Man moment,
where we are starting off with our own IP,
something that represents our brand.
And then Clara is the one,
is kind of like a shepherd that introduces every single IP,
starting with, actually, sorry, I can't announce yet,
which IP is our first one.
But every month after that,
essentially is a new IP,
ones that we have hinted to that,
ones that we've actually announced,
if you look at that Twitter,
but following this trend for arguably the next eight to 12 months of lined up IP.
Okay.
And so Clara represents that first of many.
It might potentially be the only mascot we release of our own IP.
And it's just meant to be that first step in introducing the idea of IP characters as your personal assistant, as your personal companion, and overall, the idea of AI sidekicks on your screens.
I'm big, big fan of this Max and I really love this idea of look, we're going to show you.
We're going to show you with our own IP, how this is going to be doing.
And obviously, look, I'm sorry, listeners, we nearly got Max.
We nearly got them early days with that announcement.
So that is what it is.
We'll try and get him again.
But now, genuinely looking at the IP that is just in the audience right now.
Big shout out to a couple of the PFPs that I'm looking at right now.
Very good stuff.
I'm seeing bodegos.
I'm seeing Azookis.
I'm seeing a bunch of other bang of shows.
I've seen beans out there.
So definitely excited to see what you guys are going to cook up.
And yeah, definitely want to dive into this favor and see if we can drag any more alpha out of you.
Stay up to date on the mint details.
Let's talk about, you know, what specifically or what is the information right now.
I think we've got a pinned post that we need to put up, but give us the TLD here, Max.
Yeah, I think the easiest reference, I might probably butcher this, is to check on the
pinpoints on the post.
And then you can just double check any of the dates and timelines here so that we are pretty
much solid in terms of knowing everybody is on the same page.
No, that's fair. And I have also pinned it to the jumbo trauma as well.
So if there's any listeners who want any further information right now, it's up at the top.
Obviously, you can go to Kindred. It's their pinned post as well.
Clara, the dawn of iconic AI, 1000 Genesis, INFTs, free mints coming soon on abstract chain.
I'm reading that verbatim, so I'm really, really excited to see that.
Max, what makes this collection unique in the NFT space?
Because you're going to have a bunch of partners, but you've also probably been looking into those partners quite aggressively
and also been looking at the space quite aggressively.
So what makes you guys unique here?
Yeah, so you would have noticed it says IMFTs.
And I think that that's somewhat of an understatement here
when it comes to what we're actually trying to create.
And so Clara represents our first step
to chipping away at this idea of artificial life.
right, which is a big dream, right?
And it'll take a long time for us to really, really engender that,
engender that sense of other official life in people.
But INFTs, for the most part in terms of the blockchain,
it's meant to represent this dynamic metadata that's within the NFT contract itself
that we can extract and essentially represents Clara's personality,
its behavior, its emotion,
and ultimately how it lives and breathes.
Think of it just like DNA that we have, right?
And so what that actually represents is Clara not being something like a static PFP,
but almost the other end of the spectrum where it is really the smart contract,
or in this case, the NFT, is simply representing what
Clara actually is, right?
Which is this living, breathing entity.
And so the idea is that once we launch this,
within, I think, believe it or not,
within the next month, so next 30 days,
Clara NFT holders will be able to actually have Clara on their screen.
So it jumps onto their screen and it becomes their, let's say, Siri or their Google Assistant.
It becomes their companion throughout the day.
It has its own personality, right?
And it learns from the users and ultimately becomes this.
this companion to your life. And we're not just talking about, again, something like a picture
or something you can talk to on a website or application. This is something that follows you,
is on screen throughout your entire day. And that is going live within the next 30 days. And so
I really want to have that sense of, hey, this is not just some NFT that you'll see in one year's time,
eventually have some utility. This is day one kind of utility.
Damn, the FOMO's already kicking in here, Max. I don't know what to say. I wish I could use my host powers for evil here, but I can't do it.
Really excited to see how this is going to all turn out, though. Let's talk about what holders can expect. If there is any alpha you can give, without giving away too much, because I know we nearly caught you early on here.
Can you tell me anything about the art, the law, the utilities, or the hidden surprises? Is there anything you can hint at?
Any alpha you can provide on the show today.
I know it's all to come, but is there anything that you can give us a clue on?
Yeah, so the way we've structured this, if you see the kind of art that we've done for the mint,
I guess, like the policeholder art, you see Clara kind of floating in this galaxy, right,
forming into what the Clara will eventually be.
And so of the thousand, each one has its own accessories and technically its own personality.
right so that's the key thing it's not just the aesthetics here it's actually far more than that so when
you do mint the clara and you keep it when you are able to interact with it on your computer screen
each one is actually slightly different not just aesthetically but also in terms of its personality
behaviors its emotion and mood more than that i think we haven't really given too many details
when it comes to the actual accessories themselves or the way that the clara looks differently
So one of the parts of the collection I like the most is that we are integrating the 20, 25 different IP partnerships we have, right, into this rare and ultra rare NFT versions of Clara.
And so those will be scattered within the collection itself.
And those special traits, they're inspired by our iconic characters.
And that also gives a little hint for those that do get them as to one of the or many of the iconic IPs that we'll be launching with.
So for example, Clara could be wearing a Hello Kitty inspired NFT accessory.
So it could be something like a ribbon that you know, if you know Hello Kitty, you know it's iconic red red ribbon or the bow tie.
in its hands, its ears, something like that, very subtle details which give those
inklings of what are the IP partners we have announced or will announce.
And so I believe each one of them, one will be an ultra rare.
And so this has implications also in terms of the actual NFT itself, not just aesthetics.
let's say in three or four months when we launch Hello Kitty, right?
And I'd say Hello Kitty, but actually technically it's Sanrio.
So Sanrio has, you know, like eight or nine characters.
Hello Kitty is just the start.
So when we launch Hello Kitty, that creates an agent token, right, that links back to our token.
And so holders of that Clara NFT with Hello Kitty traits will receive things like
exclusive tokens, NFT, AirDrops, priority treatment.
because they're that Clara that has a helicitty.
And you can extrapolate that with a lot of the accessories
or a lot of the little tiny rare ones that you get within the Clara collection.
And so, again, going back to the original idea of Clara,
Clara is meant to usher in our lineup of IP characters.
And so the idea here is that those that actually hold the clara NFT will be the ones that are able to essentially continue to generate value through that Clara because each time we launch an IP agent, right, a new IP collection, they receive the benefits. They have the priority treatment.
Yeah, making tons of sense here.
I love this like day one utility as well, like where it's sort of twofold, right?
Like you've got obviously what you're building directly as part of Kindred.
And then you've got all those partnerships and what they can bring.
And being the center of it with this NFT sounds like just a really dope experience to be involved in.
Can we go a little bit further back, Max, before we go into what is going to come?
I'd love to, look, we've got a bunch of new listeners in here.
I can see a lot of new faces, some old faces as well, love the OGs.
But let's talk a bit about the origin stories for a second here.
What was the inspiration behind the project?
Oh, wow. Okay. That's actually taking me back way to my master's. So when I was studying my master's, it actually came from a point of mental health. And so I was looking at ways in which we, uh,
Essentially, on a mass scale, could associate ourselves or build bonds with artificial life.
Now, if you actually want to bring it down to bare bones, it's how do we feel emotions with
something that was inherently a bunch of cope, right?
What evoked those emotions and what was the instance?
And so for everyone here, I'm pretty sure people would know things like Tamagotchi and Neopets
ended up being that first example where millions of people worldwide,
were essentially forming these emotional bonds with something that wasn't quote unquote real right it was a bunch of code
and so i looked into that and i was like wow this is one of the first instances but if we extrapolate that
all the way down let's say 10 15 20 years time when this becomes more advanced right when we have
something like AI back then it was actually still just like basics of machine learning and the
idea of like robotics but if we're looking at things like AI how does our dynamic
in these kind of relationships you have with your family, with your friends, change now that we have
a new entity in place, in this case, AI, right? And so the first thing I studied was that emotional
connection. How do we form it in the first place? What are the pillars here that help us with forming that?
The second part is what are the implications of this, right?
How do we maintain that relationship?
And then what does that provide us?
And how do we actually provide value to it as well?
And so all of that was the crux behind what Kindred wanted to be, something that we saw as a new and refreshing take to being able to form genuine and enjoyable relationships with our AI.
That doesn't seem so scary like a Black Mirror episode, but something that actually provides joy in our lives.
My backup.
You got me, Max?
Yeah.
Look, I think, look, you're building something that's obviously too hot for X right now.
Maybe Grok's a little concerned about this next layer here.
I'm not too sure.
But yeah, I did just get rugged from the show for whatever reason.
Thank you for your patience.
I did get to hear 90% of it as I was trying to get back up on stage.
Really, really interesting to hear about the inception.
Love this idea of, you know, even all the way back from your masters, like how...
This is solving a problem that even, you know, you saw yourself, I think is what I'm hearing here. And I think that's fundamentally something that we need to see more projects do is, you know, solve real problems and solve problems that they see in themselves or want solving for themselves. So really, really great takes. What long term value do you want to bring to the holders? You know, is there any like specific vision or value that you really want holders to receive over the long term?
Yeah.
Well, really I see, I want to see and people to see Clara as the first step in bringing this idea of emotional intelligence, emotionally intelligent AI on chain.
Right. And so I actually don't like things like blockchain and AI, they're tools within a greater repertoire of different things to build this artificial life. Right. But Clara is that first kind of instance in which we can see it similar to like a Tamagocchi moment or like I said, an Iron Man moment. Right. So she's meant to represent the soul of kindred, right, in every sense of the word.
She has her own personality.
She's a bit sassy, right?
She kind of does things on her own as well.
And so you begin to see that once we go live with the platform,
that it is a symbol of what is truly to come.
This is something you have never seen before in a way that's like,
we are not talking about a AI companion
like that you would see in character.a.
Or something where in what we call parasycial relationships,
which is just kind of one-sided relationships.
This is something that is meant to be a somewhat free spirit in that sense.
And so this collection here is more of a tribute to our earliest believers,
the ones that actually started truly from the real beginning.
And so the ones that saw that vision before it became obvious, right?
And so to me, this vision is actually obvious to me.
I'm thinking, let's say, five, 10 years time, every single person here listening
will have a personal AI that they use and it's integrated across their entire day.
Right. And so you might reference things like Siri,
but like, well, I mean, I kind of use it sometimes, I kind of don't.
But we're at the current stage where the usage of Siri or Google Assistant or a personal assistant
is at its, this will be the lowest it will only get better in terms of functionality from here on out.
And so what I believe in is when we do all have a personal assistant, it won't be something
enigmatic or like a blob like Gemini or Sirius.
Instead, a lot of people will opt for something more expressive, something like a character,
something like their own avatar, something they can actually speak to and it feels like a friend.
Right? That's what I believe in. I think I have faith in that in the sense that humans are social creatures and they want to have something that isn't just a functional robotic voice that they talk to on a daily basis. And so that idea is in essence what Clara represents.
In the long term, we are building that world where AI companions do feel alive.
They feel deeply personal and they live across your devices.
And so Clara will eventually jump from laptop, right, to our mobile to then smartwatch and eventually in AR.
And all of these things we're actually slightly building in simultaneously.
And so we're even thinking about AR in a world where we're actually talking to the meta reality labs team directly to build or be one of the first developers ever on the meta glasses, right?
And so you would have seen, I'm sure people here have seen that the meta glasses where it has that in-screen display.
All right. So imagine if Clara jumps from your laptop to mobile and then actually in real life
in that kind of 3D format. I think that will be a mind-blowing moment where people really
begin to see that. And so Clara is that beginning step. Yeah. So I think that like to me,
it's quite, that's why it's so emotional or quite important for me because owning that Clara
means that you're not just watching the future unfold here in this space of personal AI. It is
quite literally being a part.
of it. Yeah, look, I think anyone who's used chat, GPT, Alexa, Siri, or any of these things in the past
will sort of see this vision, Max, because it's just a really easy vision to see. It's like,
okay, right now I'm asking this thing, maybe a couple of questions a day, whatsoever like Alexa,
Siri, you know, what's this random thought that's popped into my head? What does that mean?
And then obviously chat GPT, I think, and these other sort of large language models and these other AI platforms now, people are getting way, way more integrated in.
You know, their business, their life, their work, their calendars, like AI is getting involved in all of these.
But this idea that there's going to be a new level of connection where those sort of Alexis and the series and these GPs that are text formats,
mainly sort of interlock and meet is something that I'm really excited about.
I think it makes tons of sense to me that you will have almost this animated character
that you connect with almost like, you know, Tamagocchi is a great example,
but also like this like sort of family member.
um pet scenario where like this thing just helps you so much and you get to interact with it
so much that it does it does become part of your everyday life and it embatters that life like that's
a really really interesting take so far i can see why you're so like so convicted in it and why yeah it
definitely i can hear the emotion coming out here and like how long you've been building this and
you know being able to see that vision from when you're doing that master's and it first came out um
I guess the next thing to talk about, I know we do have a couple guest speakers who are going to hop up to sort of elaborate on this, hopefully.
But it's got to be abstract.
So to my understanding, this is where you're going to be launching.
Can you tell me why?
Like, why did you choose abstract as the launch partner for Kindred?
Yeah, I think some of the abstract team will be joining us as well.
I'm quite close to some of them.
They...
To me, abstract was somewhat of an obvious choice. We aren't just launching an NFT collection.
I think if we did that, there were a lot of contenders here in terms of chains.
But because we're, again, trying to build something that is genuinely unique, this is
living AI and it's visualized on screen. It's there. You can interact with it almost immediately,
right? To do that, I felt as though we're talking about dealing with
not just the Web 3 space, but very much the Web 2 space.
And arguably, not just the Web 2 space, but people that have no sense of technology, right?
These are people that don't really integrate and use extensions, don't understand too
much of the technology side of things, might not have even used Chatty BT before, right?
Things like that.
And so Abstract did a really, really good job at focusing on the end consumer here, especially
Web 2 people.
the chain is designed specifically for real users, right?
So not just developers, not just the people in the space itself.
It removed all that friction.
It allowed gas to be paid in any token and just makes the experience feel intuitive.
And so that attention to this kind of flow, where we are talking about very much
Think of your grandmother, wanting to have a Clara or Hello Kitty, a system at home, right?
To be able to have that seamless onboarding without getting her grandson to kind of install and do all these things,
we needed the blockchain that was really, really focused on that UXUI.
And so I think that that was abstract.
And then more importantly, I think abstract also shares that belief that
that crypto should feel personal, right?
It shouldn't feel technical at all.
And so you see that with the launch of that platform.
I got a sneak peek of a lot of the things they're working on as I have cause with them.
And it just shows me that, yeah, they really are just focusing on that end consumer, right?
Because ultimately the blockchain is only a way to facilitate all of the cool things that should be happening.
And I think Abstract is one of those people that does that.
So Clara will indefinitely live in abstract.
Yeah, really, really love this. And yeah, big fan of abstract and what they're building too.
And obviously, Luca and the team there are absolutely cooking consistently.
I know I've already pushed you on like a couple teasers here.
Can you tell me anything about the art and like what these characters are going to look like?
Have you got any trait of?
Alpha, have you got any utility hints
beyond what you've spoken about so far?
We'd love to know what these IPs
that are going to really be at the forefront of Kindred
are going to look like to the end user.
Yeah, I think we...
we took a long time to focus on the accessories here because these accessories will also be
immediately available within the extension so let's say your clara has a bunch of different things
she's wearing a custom top maybe something that is part of their let's say hello kitty connect
collection her hair is different her shoes are slightly different color or maybe like a rainbow
These things actually show within the extension itself.
And Clara is able to comment on them as well, right?
And so these are accessories that are tradable.
They're also something that you essentially are able to keep on your screen and you can,
it represents not only the visual identity of you, because you're the one looking after
Clara, but also Clara itself.
And I feel like that's quite important.
Beyond that, like I said, some of the accessories, the rarer ones will have a
a hint at some of the IP characters that we will be launching within the next year.
And so that's really, really important for those that are looking at what kind of IP we will be
launching very soon. Our Twitter also just teases a bunch of these different IPs. And I only actually get
to do more of those like very subtle IP hints where it's like kind of like if you know you know
type posts and i think that'll be quite interesting because i'm always so eager to really want to
tease at this the only other thing i would add is holding clara also means you are allocated kin token airdrop
Right? And so that's another benefit of holding these NFTs.
This will actually be somewhat the same as holding the, let's say, Hello Kitty
INFT that we're creating or all of the other IPs from Tallytubbies to the things like Astro Boy.
Holding these NFTs give those holder benefits of kin airdrops, but also exclusive whitelist to the future next IP launch.
And so the more you hold of these different NFTs, the more whitelists you get with each other IP collection.
For us, I would say that for me, it's at least, it's probably the biggest benefit just because...
I mean, I would want to collect and keep all of these IP characters.
And we quite literally have an IP collection lined up every single month, right?
So if you do hold these NFTs, essentially it's like guaranteed a major IP collection you'll be receiving wireless for every single month, depending on the IP that you actually hold.
But again, obviously, we have a priority here for Clara, for our early holders.
Great stuff, Max. And look, really love this conversation so far.
And for our listeners, if you haven't already saw, we do have a couple guest speakers.
I'm going to switch this up and go a bit fireside with some of the members of Abstract real soon.
Let's get the likes. Let's get the retweets.
of the show out.
There's been tons of you coming into the show.
So really appreciate all the support so far.
Let's introduce.
We've got Raj with us today,
ecosystem associate at Abstract Chain.
And we've also got Mason with us,
your favorite DGN's favorite DGEN,
head of ecosystem.
abstract chain.
I absolutely can't wait to dive into this.
Raj, Mason, welcome to the show.
You excited for this one.
And I think I just dive straight in.
But, Raj, before I do, do you want to intro yourself?
I know I've just given you a little intro.
And then Mason, I'd love to hear both, you know, your backgrounds in terms of abstract
chain and, you know, what you're cooking up.
Yeah.
Hey, what's going on, guys?
It's Raj.
Yeah.
This is actually, for those of you don't know, my third week at Abstract, so I've been working under Mason for the last...
15-16-ish days now and it's been a blast. But yeah, I've been at Web 3 in crypto for around
four years now. I've mostly been, you know, dabbling and gaming and content creation and
meme coins. And so, you know, spent the last four years kind of understanding what people
like and don't like about the space and using everything that I've learned over the past few years
to apply to abstract.
Love that.
Mason, tell me a little bit about yourself.
What are you cooking up at abstract?
I know you're the DGN's favorite DGN.
Tell me a little more.
Yeah, I mean, I've just been around the space for quite a while.
I think I bought my first Bitcoin in 2015, but just to do bad shit online.
Not because I believed in decentralization of currency at that time.
But yeah, after that, I like Alpha Caller and Wizard of Soho's chat last cycle,
Alpha Caller and a few different chats.
Then I went to build Wasabi Protocol before coming to abstract.
So I've kind of been around for a while.
Love to hear it. I love how there was no modesty there as well. I love the way it was like immediately. Look, look, look. No, I didn't get it early. I just wanted to do some very specific things that I could only do with Bitcoin early. So, you know, love to see that Mason and look, great, great. Start to the conversation here. Let's just dive in. Let's dive in. I'd love to start with why Abstract is backing.
Kindred.
Like, would you, and look, Raj, Mason, feel free to, you know, whichever one you would
like to take this to take it.
We can always throw the mic around to both of you as well if you've got any additions
to add.
But I think the first big question for me is why is abstract backing Kindred here?
Yeah, I think, you know, for me, when I first met with Max, you know, candidly,
I see so many AI projects.
I would say like,
You know, before the mainnet launch, I was probably feeling, I was taking like 50 hours of phone calls a week in 30 minute increments with all with different teams.
Like, it was insane.
And 99.9% of them would add in something about AI.
And it all kind of ran together.
And.
when max showed me kindred i was like holy shit like this is fire right like this actually is something
different it's unique um it's interesting it's something that people can use on a day to day basis
so for me that's that's really why i was like you know like i'm behind you whatever you need like let's go
yeah we we've spoke about this before i'm on on kindred show before which is this idea that it
It, to me, like, you've been around for a while, Vos, you've been around for, you know, a similar amount of time to me.
I think I'm just coming up to five years now.
If you've been in the NFT space for that time, you have all seen that metaverse moment.
Like that 2021, 2021, every single project had a metaverse, always planning to launch a metaverse.
And they were all going to be triple A, like, game studio ready.
And they were all going to be built in six months.
And then it was just immediately like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
What do these NFTs have to do with the meta?
Like, what is the ad on here?
Why do or does this specific NFT need the Metaverse?
So when you mentioned around this idea that look,
a lot of projects are saying and using the word AI right now,
I totally see that because it feels very similar to 2021, 2021-2020
metaverse play.
And the big, big call to action for me is yeah,
actually finding these projects that can tell you why.
why AI? Like, what is it adding to NFTs? And again, yeah, I'm really with you on Kindred's vision here and
what they're building is incredibly dope. So great, great start to the conversation. How does the
mint align? And again, it makes an or Raj. You guys want to come in here. Just throw the hand up
or just come off mute. But how does the mint align with the broader vision for NFTs on abstract?
Yeah, I mean, how does it?
Can you rephrase the question a little bit?
I'm not sure I fully understand it.
Yeah, yeah.
I'd just love to know, like, you know, with Kindred,
And abstract more broadly, you've got a number of NFTs right now that are really like starting to push the space forward.
We've got big ones coming out basically every other week at this point.
How does the specific mince in terms of Kindred and Kindred AI and the NFT, how do you feel like that goes with the Broad Division 4 abstract on the chain?
Yeah, I mean, I think it fits in nicely, you know, we see a lot of IP projects and then a lot of gaming NFTs where this is kind of a pure utility NFT, right?
And you can actually use it and like do different things with the AI.
So I think it fits in nicely, right?
I think it fills a gap that our teams have been necessarily been focusing on.
Yeah, look, I definitely agree here.
In abstract, what would you look at...
I guess we've got a lot of people in here right now. We're going to have some people who are really familiar with abstract. We're going to have a lot of people here familiar with kindred or excited to learn more. Can you tell me a little bit more about abstract vision in terms of what they are trying to do for NFTs and the projects?
on the platform because I think this is a big, big thing, or the chain, sorry, I think this is a big,
big thing that, you know, we're assuming a lot of knowledge here, but I'd love to TLDR you, Mason,
if you wouldn't mind, just given a bit of a, you know, elevator pitch of like why abstract,
what abstract are trying to do with projects for projects on the chain.
Yeah, I mean, I think for us, right, is like, you know, we can go out and just, like,
openly shill projects and try and get people to buy them, but, like,
What we really want to do is help founders be in the best possible place that they can be, right?
Like, whether that's weekly calls for NFT founders with Luca, where he kind of goes through what, you know, the playbook that he ran and gives them insights into that, which max after this meant, I'll make sure you're added to that.
And, you know, just like really putting them in a position to like be successful and actually like,
build a business around these assets, right?
And get insights from teams and people that, like, have done it.
Right.
So I think that's kind of invaluable where I think other places are just like,
oh, here's some money or, you know, here's like a tweet from us that doesn't really
mean anything to where we actually want to like put our time on the line.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's like some sort of fishing analogy that we could do here,
especially with the pudgy rods.
Like I think if you guys haven't cooked something up on that front,
then you really need to, you know, teach a man or give a man a fish.
Then, you know, he's going to eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish.
He might eat for a little bit longer, depending how good he is.
You can only teach so many people.
Like I suck at fish and I've tried to learn a couple of times.
So look, it depends.
It depends people.
But yeah, really, really love that.
Okay.
What about the creator side then, Mason?
Is this, again, look, I am a creator, love what you guys are doing on this side.
How do you think those things intertwine?
Because obviously, there's a huge, huge, KOL infrastructure that's around the crypto space more broadly.
But Abstract definitely seemed to be adding layers to that.
How do you feel about this idea that the way Abstract doesn't just support the builders, but supports the creators, is it's really...
it's a just a double effect, right?
Like, it's just a compounding effect.
Like, if you have the creators and the projects
and you're supporting both,
it to me, it just seems like that's a recipe for success.
But I'd love to get your take on this.
How do you feel the focus on creators for abstract
is important for the builder's side?
Yeah, I mean, I think like if you're not at, if you're not looping in creators in some sense, like your community is not whole, right?
Like if you look at what is an entire ecosystem and community in crypto, it's creators, builders, users.
And without the creator side, like, you're just missing the whole piece.
I'll let Raj, let Raj, let Rosh hop in on this too.
Yeah, coming from someone who, obviously, I have experience in content creation and, and, and,
you know gaming meme coins everything uh without content creators it's really really difficult
for you to kind of rally the communities behind them right like the top streamers on ashtarck right
are probably the biggest hidden gem out there because each and every one of them have a
dedicated community that just like absolutely love that right and if you can utilize those
streamers and content creators
with your product, it is the biggest piece of marketing advice that I can get to anybody.
Like, it's almost dumb to ignore content creators in 2025.
Maybe if you take the time machine back to 2021, people didn't really care about content
creators back in the day.
But I feel like the market sentiment has shifted so much to where these people who are
trusted in the space now are even more important than they were four or five years ago.
Yeah, Raj, I'm so with you here. And look, huge bias because I also do create. So it's nice to, you know, hear some love for the creator side. But also, yeah, look, when you look at a community, it's like whether you're in the gaming space, whether you're in the crypto space, whatever space you're in, if there are creators that revolve around that space, which is basically everywhere now. I think there's just this thing where...
audiences don't necessarily like to be sold to when they're consuming content. And I think with that
consumption of content and the selling part of that aspect, when it's a project saying it, you can
have tons of respect for that project. Like maybe the founder themselves of doing tons of like
genuinely just value providing within their content. And you're going to vibe with that. But as soon
as it becomes the pure sale, then you know that there's a
clear motive behind that for a founder where I feel like with the creators it's just that like one
layer of separation that just adds to the value where when the audience hears it from a creator
who's not like fundamentally a part of that bottom line even if they are being paid for it you know
there's there's still levels to this I do think that's like really really important and I think
in this space and how it's gone with like the digital side of it and obviously the value that
literally comes from the
we're looking for mints, we're looking for sales,
and it's very, like, immediate transactions are going through.
I think it's a really, really important point that you're making here around,
look, creators have always been part of that,
but nowadays I do think that's just becoming more and more important.
Max, I'd love to actually further my back over to you here,
and then we'll hear from Roger Mason a little bit more.
I've got a final question for these guys,
but how important is the creator aspect of what abstract are doing to
to Kindred.
Like, what were your thoughts when you heard about, like, how these guys aren't just developing
for the builders?
And that was some bullish news off Mason there about, like, how Lucas can hop on a call
with you guys and give you some of the trade secrets.
But how important was you that they're also supporting creators and going to have that
creator network at their disposal?
Oh, Max, do we have you?
You might just be double-muted.
Maybe he's triple muted.
Okay, I'm going to keep this, keep the conversation flowing.
Max, if you can hear me, give me a wave,
or you might just have to hop down and hop back up,
spaces be bugging these days.
I think Elon is still not quite fixed everything
with all his other focuses and that attack the other day.
Okay, guys, I think the next thing for me,
when we talk about the creators,
oh, Max, we got you.
It was actually my laptop.
Oh, good.
Do you want me to repeat the question, Max?
Yeah, of course, of course.
So I basically was just riffing with Raj and Mason here around the creator side of abstract.
And I thought it would be a great point to actually get your opinion from a builder's perspective for Kindred.
How important is it for you not only to be supported as a builder, which we've heard some bullish stuff from Mason on, you know, Lucas Trade Secrets inbound for you once the mint comes through, but how important is it for you also to know that there's a big creator network there who are really supported by the chain itself, you know, where there's an actual mutual respect, but also mutual support point, not just for you as a builder, but also for the creators on the chain.
Yeah, so this is a super important point actually with abstract chain as well. I still remember when Mason showed me the the live streaming platform that they'll be going live with. And I believe now obviously it's live and it's quite popular. But just that that attention towards the creators are so important here. The idea that
like a chain is only as important as the actual users themselves and what do the users care about in this respect
and being able to showcase creations but also that sense of ownership is so important here
And it definitely is something that was like, I could see for sure a majority of abstract users having their kindred companion while they stream, right?
It just makes complete sense.
And so whether that ends up being a pudgy penguin or their particular favorite NFT project, it's there meant to accompany them completely on chain with abstract.
Let's say, for example, if you tip.
or donate abstract tokens to that live streamer.
It'll be through your companion and received on screen through their companion.
I think that's going to be so cool.
But then thinking from a longer term perspective as well,
you think of how trade has played this plays such an important role within Kindred as a platform.
The idea here is that the next 12 to 16 months, we have a complete lineup of iconic IP that we're launching, right, with our partners.
But eventually these IP characters will run out, right?
We only have so many limited IP characters that people know globally around the world or even just in a particular region, right?
And I fully understand this.
And one of the things I uncovered whilst also realizing that, hey, you know, people just don't want our IP, they want.
IP of Winnie DePoo, or they want Bugs Bunny,
or they want their NFT project.
But even beyond that, the ability for someone
to create their own avatar, right,
takes at that next level further.
We are now covering all bases.
We're not only just having our own IP, we're not having IP from that you recognize in movies and games and cartoons, but now you can actually go and create your own avatar.
And so that creator will become a core component of this entire ecosystem of essentially expression of your AI.
Yeah, look, really, really appreciate that take, Max.
And I love getting that, like, builders' perspective and all of this
because it's super important, both that the creators love what abstract are cooking up here,
but also that the builders do as well.
Like, you know, this thing's only going to work with those two big functions working alongside each other.
So really interesting to hear how you're thinking about that alongside Mason and Raj.
Mason Raj, look, again, guys, I kind of thank you enough for your time because...
like the 30 minutes for like, you know, back to back so like 50 hours and everything that you guys are doing.
I know it's still really early days.
I know you're going to be super, super busy.
So just seeing that you're going to hop up on a show and give us some time today, like genuinely super appreciated.
I only have one like major final question for you both, which is around NFTs because we've talked about the streaming.
We've talked about the builder support.
And we obviously, we know abstract with the token.
There's multiple layers to abstract.
I'd love to know from your perspectives, where do NFTs fit into the future of abstract?
Like what part do they play?
Is there any alpha you can give us?
Or is there any just sort of roadmap that you feel like it's really important to let
NFT enjoyers and builders know about?
I think, I mean, where does it fit in specifically?
I don't know.
It's kind of a hard question to ask, but I think...
or to answer rather, but in general, like, we're very bullish on NFTs.
I mean, like, we come from NFT backgrounds, right?
Like, yeah.
You know, Luca built the biggest NFT collection of, you know, all time, the most prolific IP to come out of the NFT space.
And, you know, my first project was NFT options and then leverage on NFTs before kind of moving into meme coins when that was the focus.
But like, I've always been a very big NFT enjoyer.
And I think the NFTs build a sense of community that's,
pretty different from the meme coin sense of community.
People feel much more attached to the pictures.
So, yeah, no, I think it'll be a heavy part of our continue, you know, of where we are in the future, right?
We'll continue to see good NFTs coming out of abstract and continue to support those teams.
Awesome stuff, guys. And yeah, again, massive shout out to Mason and Raj for hopping up on the show today.
Look, we're basically at the 50 minute mark.
Listeners, if you are enjoying the show, if you've enjoyed the context of the show today, likes, retweets, all that good stuff.
Please do follow Raj, Mason, Max, and Kindred as well.
Like, if you want to be attuned to what's cooking right now, these guys are probably some of the best people you can follow in terms of just keeping that timeline full of alpha, but also genuine building, like,
Look, we've had a ton of alpha, like the actual building.
That's what we're seeing right now.
So I love to see that.
Max, I want to get the mic back over to you here just before we do close out.
Is there any final updates that you'd like to provide our audience?
Are there any milestones, anything that you'd like to share on behalf of Kindred
before we do close out the show around the mint details or what's next?
Yeah, I guess maybe I'll just quickly go through the short and sharp of it.
So the collection size here is 1,000.
There will only ever be 1,000 Clara NFTs.
And so each one of them represents a completely unique entity, right?
Living and breathing.
Something that will be available as your Clara personal assistant and companion that jumps onto your screen very, very soon.
Of that 1,800 is to community and partners in the public, and then 200 is to the team and
treasury. For me, the 200 is actually the most exciting because it means that we have still so many
opportunities to give away Clara NFTs in campaigns. And it's almost like giving away kind of like an
Iron Man, right? They're going to be so valuable when it comes to like,
I guess holding them and having them to get benefits to every future IP collection launch that we have in the next 12 months.
And so that kind of gives me a lot of excitement to like figure out what kind of campaigns we can do to actually give these ones away.
In terms of the mint details, so 3pm UTC is the guaranteed, which is very, very soon,
we have 6pm, which is the first come first served, and then the public is 8pm UTC if there is any left.
And so this is a free mint, and it's happening on Magic Eden Orange Pad, and obviously supported by abstractio.
I think more of what will be revealed is going to be on the 31st of March.
And so I actually know what that's going to be, but I'm not going to leak it today because
I think my team will definitely kill me for it.
So 31st of March is when the next big update in terms of Clara, and you'll get to see a lot
more of its capability.
when we launch whatever whatever that is, which I can't say too much on.
But the idea is that once you kind of, if you follow our Twitter, you'll see all of the IP collections that we are beginning to chip away at.
The ones we've announced, like for example, Minto, which is a Japanese IP, we have Tali Tubby.
This is two of, I believe, 25.
globally recognized IP characters, collections, and our partners, that will be launching over the next
something like six to eight months in terms of announcements. And then we'll actually be
quite literally launching them on the platform very soon as well within the next, like the
cadence is again, one month each. And Clara is the beginning. That is the number one, the Ironman
moment here of the Marvel Cinematic U-Diverse that we call Kindred.
Absolutely love it, Max.
And look, Tally Tubby is my childhood.
I made you myself a little bit here, but like literally used to have a tubby toaster, tubby porridge.
Like it was like the bright pink stuff probably is going to explain a lot of my like mental and health issues to date.
Like it's just.
just bright pink neon
porridge probably wasn't the best thing for a
growing boy but anyway
that all being said like very very excited to see
the other IP partnerships that you have
love that we're every time we ask
you a question we're so close to like
just getting an extra bit of alpha leaked and you
have to double check yourself before
your team come for you
outside of X, is there anywhere else that we should be keeping an eye on in terms of keeping
ourselves up to date and following and stay in tuned?
Yeah, definitely the Discord.
Discord is definitely where we communicate the most.
I'm there sometimes as well.
That kind of chips in and leaks a lot of the things that my team is actually working on
on a day-to-day basis.
And so that gives you insight as to where we're going with that.
Okay.
And then eventually really the actual platform itself, the extension, that's where we would be pushing out notifications and updates and things like that.
And so obviously now the public is not available to use the extension, but it will be very, very, very soon within we're talking weeks here.
And so when that extension does go live, and let's say, for example, you can interact with your Clara or your Tali Tubby.
Yeah.
or one of our own IP, the idea is that all the notifications are pushed towards directly
your companion itself. And so your companion also technically makes the judgment call as to what
kind of notifications you get
receive because we don't want to spam it, but ideally your companion actually learns more
about you. Like, for example, Jack, what things you actually care about, right? And then when we do
push notifications, it's able to decide, yep, Jack, definitely, this is the thing that you need to see.
And it actually natively says it like, hey, Jack, did you hear that Kindred has a new IP collection
coming out next month? Probably should pay attention to it.
right and so like that kind of native notification system is is going to be super super cool that is
wild i was on coffee with captain which for those who aren't familiar is like one of the biggest
morning shows in the nfts space crypto space these guys have been running for like 900 episodes at
this point and this was literally the issue that we got stuck on we couldn't agree on max in terms of like
How do we, it's just death by Discord, death by, you know, X, death by, like every single
telegram.
There's all these places.
And we're obviously creating full time as well.
Like, how do we keep a breath with the stuff that we want to be made aware of?
So the idea that you guys are solving for that, I am so bullish on, because literally just
completely organically was one of the biggest conversation points on the show today.
So look, guys, big, big shout out to Mac.
Huge shout out to Mason, Raj and Kindred as well, all for giving us their time today and putting this show on for us and you, the audience.
A massive shout out to all of our listeners who've tuned in.
Thank you for all the comments, all the support, all the like, all the retweets.
And also for just being along the journey with us.
It's so good to see new faces, but I really love seeing those OGs as well, like just those PFPs that are hopping in every show.
It's great to see.
and that's really it.
That's all we have time for today.
So big, big shout out to all of our listeners,
all of our speakers.
And yeah,
we're going to play this one out now.
Yeah.
The way is coming up
Soaring high
Leap into a state
A call in life
Say you name
Say you need a singer
Say you want to try
Say you have it
How they have you
Say you want to
Once you get the beat
Once you have the ball
Sense is gonna be
One step back you're in.
