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Late Night Conspiracy: Skeptic Night • I Call BS
Recorded: June 29, 2025 Duration: 4:05:36Space Recording
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In a dynamic discussion, participants explored the evolving landscape of health and wellness, highlighting trends in alternative therapies, the impact of misinformation on public trust, and the potential for new partnerships and projects in the sector. The conversation also touched on the implications of emerging health-related tokens and fundraising opportunities, signaling a shift towards innovative solutions in the wellness space.
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Thank you. I said the nation army couldn't hold me back They're gonna rip it off
Taking their time up behind my back
And I'm talking to myself at night because I can't forget
I can fall through my mind behind a cigarette.
And a message coming from my eyes.
It feels like I'm alone. music Don't wanna hear about it.
Every single one's got a story to tell.
Everyone knows about it.
From the queen of England to the homes of hell.
And if I catch you coming back my way, I'm gonna serve of England. You're the ones up here.
And if I catch you coming back my way, I'm going to serve it to you.
And that ain't what you want to hear, but that's what I'll do.
You're the one coming from my bones. You're the one coming from my door, it's not coming from my door. so
I'm going to Wichita
Far from the sky forever, evermore
I'm going wear the straw. Make a sweat drip out of every pore.
Then I'm bleeding, then I'm bleeding, then I'm bleeding right before the law.
All the words are gonna bleed from me and I will think not more.
Any state you're trying to find my blood, I'm gonna come back home. All right, what's up, everybody?
Fair warning if you are used to the late night conspiracy space.
This might be a little bit different.
So, usually when i do this like my inspiration for doing the late
night conspiracies was coast to coast am with art bell and i try to when we do them keep a very open
mind and like not really come at people when they're throwing out stuff that they're talking
about you know what i'm saying like some sometimes it's fun
just like let people go off the rails and do all kinds of different stuff tonight though
we're gonna call on all kinds of stuff because believe it or not there's all you can't believe
everything that you see on the internet i know it's hard to believe. Listen, I
know
we really want to believe
the deepest bowels of the
4chan conspiracies,
but I've got
a few examples. I hope you guys
will fill some in. Actually, I don't know.
I was hoping Joe would say
he's been laying some wood on some things that people get in the habit of saying and accepting as true that probably or clearly aren't.
I see Groff and Staple in here.
What's funny about Groff, if there's one thing that annoys him, and he's like a fucking soldier for us, right? If there's one thing that annoys Gro right and he's like dude he's like a soldier for us right but if there's one thing that annoys groff it's the flat earth talk
and like if there's ever been a way for me to bait groff to come up on stage
it's don't thumbs up that are you what what is this blasphemy young blood
i was i was thumbs up in the fact that, yeah, I can't stand flat earthers
either. Oh, I guess
you hate the Old Testament.
Duly noted.
Genesis isn't real. You guys heard it here.
Young blood himself.
Listen, Dustin, you need to meet my
friend Miriam. She would, uh, if she
was here. You mean Dustin's friend Miriam?
The bee lady?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
No, you remember when Miriam Belknap, she's co-hosting a space right now, but if she were in here and heard you say that, she'd probably get a kick out of that.
Yeah, but Matt, you said you believe in the Bible, and clearly it says in the Bible, in Genesis, that we live under a firmament and God separated the waters from the waters above from the waters below and that the earth is stable.
Wait, wait, wait.
We're not going to full derail into flat earth yet, although that one's a lot of fun.
Right?
And we can.
I don't know.
I'm in one of those feisty moods.
I might call bullshit on a bunch of the Q stuff. I might, I seriously, like some of y'all might like unfollow me and just leave me after this shit.
And I wouldn't blame you.
But it'll be funny and I think entertaining regardless.
I've got a bunch that I kind of like pre-loaded up.
But I'd love to see you guys drop some down there.
And listen, if it's something that
you're not sure about like let's take the approach tonight instead of being like all accepting we're
gonna be crazy level skeptical about everything i think it's a it's a good practice for us
i want to start the space by giving my red pill pendulum theory because i
i think it's important so if you haven't heard this i hear lots of people try to articulate it
and i'm kind of proud of this one so we all have that moment right where all of a sudden we go from
being in school and watching the news and believing that, like, everything's on the up and up.
And then we have that moment where that, like, whole illusion breaks.
It's always something.
For me, it was the tea party when I, like, would put these events together and I'd go home and watch the coverage of it.
And it'd be literally nothing at all that, like, I'd built and put together.
It'd be literally nothing at all that fucking weed like i'd built and put together be something
right like they'd film something in the very back with a couple of goofballs
and label that as like what we were actually trying to do and that started the dream for me
but i've had other like breaking moments throughout you know the years that have like further and further just eroded my trust in academia and the
news and frankly, in the whatever the fuck the algorithms are feeding us. So one of the things
that we know is that the quote unquote bad guys have adapted and understand that in order to
filter bad information and
continue the propaganda, that we don't trust the stuff the media says anymore.
And so, believe me, like a bunch of your favorite influencers are doing the same thing to you
that the mainstream media was doing.
It's just that it feels a little more organic.
It feels a little more trustworthy.
So we have this moment where it breaks.
And every time that you start to lose faith in the media and everything else, it's actually
a really vulnerable moment for everybody.
Because at that point, you are susceptible to falling down the rabbit hole in the wrong way and believing a
bunch of like crazy and there's plenty of it on the internet like plenty of it so
it's why i think we have to take very seriously the responsibility to like kind of guide people
so they don't end up seriously like run around
worried that they're being zapped by fucking invisible space lasers and all kinds of other
madness right and i i i want to say i have to also before we get this like going in full, I think I have a responsibility. Point out that us conspiracy theorists
are batting like 900, right?
Like, well, far more right than we are wrong.
With that said, however,
that does not mean we are 100% right.
And there also is a bunch of silly stuff
that I see get passed around all the time that drives me absolutely like it really annoys the shit out of me because you should be able to debunk it right out of the gate. when I get down on my knees and pray, almost always the first thing I pray for is discernment
because we live in just this crazy artificial world. And it's also one of the things that God
has promised that if you ask for, he will grant you. All right. So it's kind of like a win-win.
Help me, just help me see what's real versus what's not real. And so, you know, part of discernment, though, is also challenging things on their face.
So I will start with that one example.
I hope you guys will also participate and give me some examples.
But I'll start with one that happens every time there's a protest on the left.
It's almost always completely fake and made up.
I guarantee you, you've seen this, and it's probably been passed around, especially in
circles on the right.
There's always the Crisis Actor Craigslist ad.
You guys know the one I'm talking about, right?
So, oh, my God.
Oh, you guys, I found it.
It's on Craigslist.
They're paying these people $9 million a day to destroy the cities.
Well, it's not just crisis our actors.
It's also protesters, like the Craigslist paid protester one, too.
Yeah, right? protesters like the craigslist like paid protester one too yeah no that right it's it's and the last one was like during la where they're like oh my god i found it they're paying people eight thousand
dollars a day to go protest they're going they're going to pro that first of all right most of those
people i can tell i can promise you they they're not getting that much money to go protest.
Right?
It's just, it's not feasible.
And it is remarkably, anyone can post fucking anything to Craigslist.
Like, on the ads.
Right?
It's exceptionally easy.
easy. And I just
And I just, like, throw this out there.
like throw this out there.
If you were looking to hire
crisis actors,
do you post on a fucking public
forum that everybody, oh,
I'm going to send Augustus to the coast.
Let's get him up here. So Augustus actually
closed his space and sent his
people here, so.
Well, that's because he's the freaking
man.
Legit fucking love Augustus.
But, right, so anyone can post whatever the fuck they want on Craigslist.
And it's also pretty easy to manipulate, like, the dates and other stuff.
And so every time I start to see one of these posted around the other thing is that that should red flag for everybody is when
it it's too on point i guess if you will so like the craigslist ads for example right
let's get past the idea that like you're the super secret people who are setting up false flag events
people who are setting up false flag events.
Let's get past the idea that you're like, well, I don't know where I'm going to recruit
everybody.
Might as well go to Craigslist.
Let's fucking go.
Right?
No one will ever be able to figure it out.
It's absolutely foolproof.
But then it's also what's in the content of the stuff that I see get passed around where it's like.
Must be willing to light American flags on fire and break windows and burglar.
Right. And it's like there's no right.
Like, again, just just try to imagine a process where you're like you know what i'm gonna call this said no
oh this this i i want to go riot with a bunch of antifa idiots like call them like oh yes are you
willing to break all kinds of laws can you put that on paper for me it's like shut up fed
i just the the whole thing makes zero set and yet i not joking, I see that fucking hoax
fucking get passed around
fucking right-wing circles
as the gods are.
Like, oh my God,
but did you see that they were advertising
for their people,
like actors and crisis actors
or protesters on Craigslist?
Sometimes it's a miracle
that my eyes don't permanently roll
in the back of my head, Jen.
That's one in particular you really get set off by.
Every time you see it, you're just like,
Right?
One that I think everybody knows is not real is Patriot Front.
That's definitely not a group of Patriots, guys.
They wear khakis.
All the same khakis Like yeah
Actually I don't know about that
What?
Yeah no
Are you joking?
No I'm not
I went down a little bit of a rabbit hole
I think the labeling them as feds
Is actually the fucking
side out there. I believe
they're actually just a bunch of fucking goofy-ass
fucking dumbasses. Who ride around
in a u-hole?
For all you know, they're unorganized
agents
for some other fed
agency who probably posted their
jobs on ZipRecruiter instead of
Craigslist.
Well, here's what I will say about any of those groups.
You are, like, what we learned about the Proud Boys,
pick one, right?
Proud Boys, Patriots.
I mean, half of them are fucking either feds
or fucking reporting to the feds.
But, like, saying that it's, like,
a fed-funded and sponsored organization i think is i think i think
that it's one of those things that i think just like pushes it out and ignores what what it actually
is a little bit i'll bet a little bit damn never mind people
told you it's skeptic night. You better become
prepared to take the heat.
Everybody's like, who is this? Dustin's usually
like, oh, yeah, bro, fucking
the winged unicorn
flying around in the sky.
That sounds interesting. Tell me more about it.
Like, no, ain't getting shit past us
tonight. I'm just wondering
how long this Dustin's gonna stick
around tonight before you're
like winged unicorns no no wait keep it like dragons are actually real
dragons are real they're dinosaurs bingo what's up dustin what's up boss man
augustus thank you listen thanks for merging the space
you guys repost the space please we're doing we're doing something different tonight we're doing the
uh we're doing skeptic night is that the same as black pill no so skeptic that listen i let a lot
of go in the conspiracy spaces in order to make the conversation interesting.
You know what I'm saying?
Right.
But, like, I mean, at some point we got to draw a line and be like, bro, that's actually kind of ridiculous.
Yo, I got one for you, bro.
Like, the whole idea of Iran regime change sounds, like, crazy to me.
I just had a good conversation with an old-time friend in my space.
Gabriel was there.
God Sauce was there.
Andrew was there.
And I appreciate them coming and supporting.
So is Gathering and a bunch of other people in the audience.
Thanks, guys, for coming through and supporting Dustin Space.
But, you know, James, he was saying this idea of like President Trump not really having like a handle on the geopolitical platform is all bullshit.
He's on the phone with President Putin, you know, an hour at a time. And, you know, one of the things is, is the idea of a regime change going down in Iran. I call bullshit. I call bullshit on that. That's not one of the goals of, of, of what President Trump is trying to do. And, you know, if anything, the regime change is going to go down, but with Israel.
Isn't that interesting?
I mean, listen, so...
If I'm putting my full-blown skeptic head on here,
a lot of people are real.
Man, I'm going to fucking piss everybody off tonight it's gonna
be fucking amazing i'll i'll i'll throw it out there fucking israel a country the size of new
jersey is more influenced by the u.s than the u.s is controlled and influenced by israel yep just throwing it out there and i i think there's that this is not saying that they don't
have undue influence in the united states and that they don't run blackmail and other
however i think the deep state central like where the power is centered, comes from, where the most money, most force is located, and that's in the U.S.
The only thing keeping his wig on, Netanyahu's wig on, is America, bro.
That's not even a mention.
Let's be real.
Dustin's got a point.
This has been my argument, like a while right and i don't say
it in spaces because like the one time i did holy shit right but like i've seen it from both sides
right like i've watched israel like government people interact with american government people
and i've watched american government people interact with israel government people interact with American government people. And I've watched American government people interact with Israel government people. Right. And if I look at that, and then I
look at the timeline of the creation of the state of Israel, which, by the way, why do why is it
called the state of Israel? Like what other country is called the state? What is it a state of, secondly?
And then you look at the creation of, like, I don't know, the CIA.
And you think about it, like, America would have never been welcome in the Middle East just being America, right? creation of the state of israel and what went into it i would kind of argue that the state of israel
is a is a state operated by the united states and used as a war like a military proxy in the
middle east yeah right so when we're all yelling this is what pisses me off about it's the jews
argument right like yeah do they got control? They do. I've also watched American
like government officials laugh at the Israel government officials. But you know what I did see
when the American government officials said something like jump? Israel was the one saying
how high and it is. Oh, it is thrown me off since this whole thing started when everyone's like, oh, my God, Israel is controlling America and Donald Trump's on a leash and this, that and the third.
And I'm like, guys, like, I don't think that's what's going on here.
Like, I'm pretty sure, like, I don't know.
I think you also have to factor in how fragile Israel's parliamentary system is, because if Bibi doesn't have enough of a coalition there, he's out.
Who's going to be the American proxy then?
So I want to be careful, because I don't want to discount all of the fucking real bad shit, right?
It really is fucking AIPAC really does have authority.
And more authority, by the way,
than people talk about when they get into these debates.
Because what we know is that,
yes, AIPAC may only spend X amount of dollars,
but AIPAC donors are the ones who fucking write
20 and 50 million dollar checks to super PACs
in a lot of cases right
and so like just the flat number that's given officially to campaigns is often total and
complete horseshit as well so i don't want but here's where i see this playing out a lot of times
when we talk about the jfk thing and everybody's like it was it was totally Israel. Okay, I'm still
trying to see exactly where that
lines up and maybe that was a
contributing factor, some of the positions
he took that way. But what I
see is the American motherfucker government
murdering one of our fucking presidents
and too often
there's this
whole group that is happy to
blame Israel.
I assume that they use that as part of, like, their ability and way to get away with shit.
And for us not to hold our own fucking psychopathic CIA and other government agencies responsible for, like, them orchestrating all kinds of crazy shit all right let's go destiny
good to see you
and this is jack ruby you're talking about right like the first wait jez can no i can hear i'm
sorry i was literally right in the middle of posting a post and i was like fuck and it would
not even get me back here so it's one of those terrible moments of like awkwardness um like i'm gonna take the disagreeing standpoint i although
i think jenny brought up one hell of a point and i pointed this out to people i was like you know
it's kind of odd that within one year of the national security act that created the cia within
one year that israel was created that is interesting and i have looked into them yeah it's a little
strange and anyone who's worked in cia or the intelligence community if they're honest will that israel was created that is interesting and i have looked into them yeah it's a little strange
and anyone who's worked in cia or the intelligence community if they're honest will tell you they've
been very very close with like massad for since the very beginning so there's definitely a lot
there which is a part of the compromising problem though um and i was like just looking into this i
was like i wonder how many bases military base.S. military bases there are in Israel.
Turns out, I just found this out, there's a secret site there that is a radar monitoring facility for the military atop a mountain next, like, 20 miles outside of Gaza called Site 512.
Look that shit up.
That's interesting.
That's in northern Israel, right?
I don't know.
It's near Gaza.
I don't know where Gaza is in Israel. So, like, in terms of a map position? I don't know. It's near Gaza. I don't know where Gaza is in Israel.
So in terms of a map position, I don't know.
I'll go look.
Yeah.
Site 512.
It's atop a mountain.
I forgot the name of the mountain already.
But that's the post I was making.
I was just making that post when I was fucking losing my fuck to get in here.
But I think, you know, the whole thing behind whether or not people get
to say it's the jews you know as somebody of color in this country i heard very similar rhetoric with
it's the blacks it's a gang it's blacks you know it's like all blacks so i understand that like i
understand like if it was a crime or somebody got robbed like oh there's a bunch of black guys like
okay like obviously that's not a correct way of wording shit.
That being said, I do think that Netanyahu is a worthless piece of trash.
And the first time I ever thought that was because the State Department had,
somebody had leaked it from the State Department that every time Netanyahu comes over,
he brings all his dirty laundry to have us clean it for him,
which is absolutely fucking disrespectful. I don't give a you are that's fucking rude you don't go to
somebody's house and make them wash your clothes and expect that of them like obviously we offer
that to all nations but they're the only one that apparently does it like every time and excessively
which is just it's a little strange and um it's just it's disrespectful but my conspiracy theory
has to go with like you know and i get hated on for this and it doesn't phase me in the slightest.
So go right ahead.
But the assassination attempt of Donald Trump, I find it horribly strange that people who claim to love Donald Trump, claim to be MAGA, have let go completely, have lost all interest in who possibly almost killed him.
You know what I mean? Like, no, like I have yet to meet a red, white, and blue American MAGA screaming person who
I'm friends with a lot of them, a lot, a lot.
Okay.
Thousands of them.
And let me tell you, not one of them could give a fuck about what happened to Donald
Trump that day.
And it's crazy.
Cause I'm like, you, I can't criticize him, but you could ignore his killer.
Like the attempted killer. Like, that's misaligned.
And that's a big problem that I see because I'm like, what is going on here?
Like, if I love John F. Kennedy, I still care about who killed him.
Like, I still care.
And I didn't even get to be around and vote for the guy, you know.
But if Trump fans cared at all, wouldn't they be, like, upset about this?
Like, it's bizarre that they gave
up so quickly on what is clearly not the true story like we all know this was something that's
fucking the crooks guy was a patsy much like lee harvey oswald was a patsy for the jfk assassination
and if any of you've seen the documentary everything Everything's a Rich Man's Trick, you'll know the real guy who shot JFK did so from like a molehole in some underground sewer.
It's quite a strange story, but still.
I've watched it, and the thing is, is there are documentaries like that about JFK's killer because people actually did love that president.
I'm beginning to think people don't actually love Donald Trump.
I really fucking am because I have yet to see outrage over it. Like, and it's been almost a year now. It will be in two and a half weeks. And I think I'm like, this is the most hated president in the world. He doesn't have a single fucking diehard fan looking into this. I'm like, he, shit, if it was Obama, you bet there would have been fucking buses of people searching the premises with fucking you know fine-tooth comb looking for like you believe no definitely they just came to
the site and cleaned it up remember we had the guy on the roof that the snipers couldn't stand
you're telling me no one can go to that town with water but the snipers couldn't be on there to
protect that roof because it was the highest point.
And like the other day, actually, so I if you there is a there's a photo that came out.
I'm talking within maybe an hour of the shooting as we were all sitting here on X.
And it's a photo taken from inside the building.
Right. And it's the guy, whoever the kid is, right,
is squatting down outside and you see on his phone. So I took the picture and I started
fucking with the resolution and contrast on the photo to see if I could pick up who was on the
screen. And I just re-shared this the other day. And it's funny you bring it up because I was like,
wow, no one's talking about the assassination anymore let's reshare this one right and you can clearly
see that he is on the phone with someone with a white hat on that has earmuffs like those big
ass headphones on and it's like why that building who took photo? Why did it go out immediately?
And if you look at the point of the roof that he was supposedly fish flopping.
And apparently took the shot.
Which the pitch was too high for the shot to even go off.
Couldn't they have just used the same playbook?
And this time instead of not having the shot come from the book depository, this time the shot did come from the book depository because they put, you know, their patsy on the roof?
Because if you look at the angle from the windows of where the FBI, the special unit of the FBI supposedly was inside the building, first of all, you would have heard the guy on top of the roof
because it was, remember, it was a hot tin roof.
It was a metal roof.
So you would have heard somebody walking on it.
And, like, they had the perfect shot and the perfect cover
to pull something off like that.
Well, so, listen, there's a couple of suggestions.
Part of the A wasn't that, like, Trump didn't die, which obviously adds a whole different like comparing it to JFK.
He's not dead.
Then let's not forget, he's also in charge of the government now.
And even though Bongino and other like have told us that there's no new information now, which is retarded on its face. There are significant
difference where people aren't out there personally. But I will say John Cullen has done
a phenomenal job continuing to break down the evidence on his much, who are we supposed to complain about when Donald Trump's now in charge of the executive branch?
Like, right, like, firing it up.
I mean, the thing is, is, like, I would just take it into my own hands.
Like, if I, if it was, like, my number one president, say it was Kennedy, it wasn't a murder, but it was almost a murder.
I would be, I would, like, do everything I could to, like, sell all my shit and go live in Butler and interview every fucking person that even crossed that kid.
I'd be getting every video camera in the city for that day.
I would be doing the most because that's my, that's my, that's my dude, you know, and you almost killed him.
Like, and if you, and the thing is the FBI knows this because they have, they have a whole department specialized towards human behavior,
that after there are any serious crimes or serious attempted crimes at certain levels,
that they deploy FBI agents to investigate everything about the person so they can build a profile,
so they know what to look for in the future, so they can stop attacks like that happening.
That's their job.
And if there's no profile built on him we're just
allowing for that to happen again and next time the kid might not miss but again trump's f trump's
fucking guy is in charge of the fbi now so why didn't he give a fuck isn't that strange they
said it like they had his whole house was scrubbed clean well what what I'll add is, A, there were tons of people when Bongino came out
and said that there's nothing,
there's no information we don't already know
about what happened in Butler, right?
There was plenty of outrage about that.
But at the same time, again,
you say you would have done what you could,
but if he had survived it
and his FBI was going after it
you'd stay the fuck out of their way.
Right? What you ultimately
trust that he's got it under control.
Yeah, and if I could chime in
real quick, Destiny.
I don't think anybody would trust that the politicians
have anything in control.
Yeah.
There's only two possibilities with Thomas Matthew Crooks
that everybody has forgotten about.
You know, it's either
he was set up in a way
where he was like essentially created
and trained, at least from some portion
of his life, to carry out this
task, whether it be a year or two before
the event ever took place.
And that's like the one that most people, that's the road most people are going down.
And the reason I don't think that that's true, and I think the second one here is more likely true and why you're never going to hear anything about it is that you have somebody that was motivated
through a disparate, you know, internet knowledge, right?
Like just anger towards an organization
towards the person, right? And he took that anger out and he was able to defeat all their mechanisms,
all their safety mechanisms, their security mechanisms. And that's more terrifying than
thinking that there's an organized group of people behind it that helped him. So I think that more
than likely what you have is you have a young
motivated man that for whatever reasons right he decided that this was going to be his element
he's going to maybe make it in the history books or whatever and he defeated their systems now
why they would clean up the area and stuff like that that's what leads me back to think there's
probably an organized effort behind how, you know what I mean?
Like,
but there's only two possibilities. There is no third possibility.
It's either he did it because someone assisted him doing it or he did it on
his own,
essentially,
which the second one is scarier.
there's definitely a third option.
Go ahead.
Both things can be true,
which is right.
He could have been a fucking wacko who is moving and as we've heard with every crazy
person on the radar right there isn't funny how they're always on the government's radar
and i've got two requests i want to bring up so if any of you guys aren't like on this part of
the conversation would drop down for me so i can bring ken and groff up i'd appreciate it i'll
bring you guys back up when we're at your part of the anything you want chime in we'll rotate the panel um but you can have that person and then also make
sure that he's able to get that fucking close to the president because remember how retarded
how that remember they sold us on the idea like immediately tried to start telling us that Iran had an assassination
plot and that Trump had stepped up secret service when it was like, literally you let
some fucking buck tooth fucking retard kid pop shot, like according to your official
stories, like pop shot.
Like that's just, there's no way that that like again i've said this i've done
these events in coordination with local state and federal and secret service where dude
the first any idiot who you are like a i could hire any security firm and they the first thing
they would do is take out the like high point with direct
lines to fucking shoot the president.
Like that's an absolute no brainer.
Right.
So like,
it makes you wonder how tight security really was though.
The fact that this guy was able to get that close.
I mean,
really?
He walked around for an hour with a range finder. They knew he had a range finder.
Hold on, Matt, please. And stop interrupting. He had a range finder for over an hour.
We have the cell phone coordinates where he and someone from the FBI building in Washington, D.C. kept meeting.
from the FBI building in Washington, D.C. kept meeting, right? Like to even to even give air
time to the fact that this kid acted alone and he was pissed off because Trump was going to be the
president is so like gross. It's so gross. Yeah, but that's the scarier one. So the scarier one
would be that this kid was technologically capable, highly intelligent, tapped into the communications of advanced systems that our government has, which was super easy. All the
networks were compromised around that time. I'm talking about the fact, the fact. Okay. So I don't
know if everybody knows this, but during this event, yeah, during this event, right? So the FBI
announced that I think a few months after that. But all networks, so all communication networks inside of the United States, no matter who you are, right, not federal government or whatever, civilians,iltrating all logs, call data, voice data,
and they were actually targeting government officials at that time.
That's all happening in this timeframe.
I'm leaning towards the conspiracy side.
I think he had help, but I'm just saying the scarier one would be that he was just highly motivated,
whack job that didn't have much support, but was able to beat out these elements,
these systems that we have in place.'s that would be way more scarier and thanks for letting me speak
dustin what what what i think what we're getting at though is that so patsies often don't know
that they're like being set up as patsies right like it with the kind of big brother surveillance
state that we have going on.
It's not hard to identify like this person and then make sure that like he's able to do it without him even knowing.
In fact, there's benefits of. Yeah. Yeah, Dustin. He never knew. Right.
He just hitting green lights all the way down the strip, you know, and he probably at some point was probably uncomfortable.
Like I never get all these lights green. I actually am thinking along the lines of like what you just said like all
of these things that should there should have been these stop gaps everywhere right like like
you were saying that was probably like the best place that you could be for the shot that he was
trying to take you know what i mean like it was the it was the opposite he took the shot that hit
trump well i'm just going by the official you you know, the official narrative that came out.
I don't know if he actually did take the shot.
I've heard I've actually heard different scenarios where maybe he didn't even take it.
Maybe the shot was taken behind where he was even at because of the elevation and stuff.
But I don't you know, I don't know that I'm just talking about, you know, what the supposed impacts are.
Listen, I don't want
to over dive in because frankly this is one of the annoying ones where i i i see potential holes with
everything like every theory that's been proposed is kind of whack on the whole thing i'm not gonna
lie um because there's so much we haven't been told about all of it. Although I do just distinctly remember just laughing out loud in a space when they tried to blame it on Iran and be like, oh, yeah, no, yeah, stepped up secrets.
Or like, just zip it.
Zip it.
Well, then you had the crowd strike hack like the next day.
Yeah, now that, right afterwards.
All right, let's get some hands.
I brought Groff up.
My man, Groff and Stoppel, what you got?
Hey, yeah, just real quick.
I think there's a real good reason why people aren't pounding on this very hard.
I don't think the administration wants them to.
I don't think Trump wants any more scrutiny that's already been in because it would release
all the leverage that he has over the real perpetrators. I mean, there's a reason why
people are calling him daddy in front of NATO. I think he's flexing that leverage because he knows exactly who the big players were behind this.
And he's going to use it for every ounce of political capital
that he can. Otherwise,
if you go and arrest the few smaller fish that were directly
involved with this guy, you're never going to get to the top players.
So we can we can
speculate all we want but if trump knows or if his administration knows they're never going to
divulge it to us because they're going to go after themselves and in bigger ways kind of like what we
saw he basically ordered israel to turn their planes around, and they did. Not that Israel was involved, but I don't know.
But obviously, he had more help than just a couple guys hiding in the bushes with binoculars, if you know what I mean.
So anyway, that's what all I got.
Thanks, guys.
Thanks, Carl.
Ken, go ahead.
Hey, Dustin, I kind of like this skeptic in you.
It's a change.
Hey, I agree with a lot of what
Dustin said. And the strangest thing not to beat a dead horse is that Trump hasn't even
harped on this at all. He hasn't tried to discuss it or extend it or investigate it or mention it it has gone away completely they have
memory hold both assassination assassination attempts which in itself i think is extremely odd
yeah i mean again we we got two fucking bullshits from cash and Bongino like in close succession right it was
oh yeah no Epstein totally killed himself I've seen the video oh no we'll release it actually
no it's way too fake and you guys will debunk that shit in like 10 minutes right and then
it was the same time oh yeah there's, there's nothing new. No, no, no, no. Anybody doesn't know about what happened with the assassination.
I shut the fuck up. So I was I was hyped for cash, Dustin.
I mean, I was a big supporter and I don't think anyone has disappointed me more than cash.
You know, all the rhetoric. If you watch any of his interviews for the last four
years, he'll come out and say, oh, no way. Epstein didn't kill himself. I'm going to release the
files on day one. We know the FBI has the information. I mean, nothing has been more
disappointing than Cash turning into basically a social media influencer versus uh the guy that
was going to clean up the the system in my opinion i mean the only thing that makes sense to me
because you're right about the appearances dude he's in fucking witness protection right like the
only plausible explanation for the turnaround and like just all this like the more and more i think
about it the more and more the idea that fucking they know where he is and that he's alive but then where's
the rest of the like then where are the rest of the arrests and other bullshit like at some point
tonight i'm gonna go hard skeptic on q because i'm fucking fed up like i am fed the ever-loving fuck-up, and particularly at myself, for letting these fuckers, like, fucking get me with it again.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, oh, it's like, you know, when you fucking get rubbed twice on a token.
So you're not trusting the plan anymore, D?
I mean, dude, I...
I'll get there i got a whole segment on like some of my
right again places where i am ridiculous level skeptic about what's going on and like whether
or not we're being led astray and it's literally it's weird how it pops up whenever fucking a bunch of bullshit ass to be excused.
Oh, it's actually not what it looks like at all.
It's actually the reverse.
And so everybody could just not like, you know, get mad and talk about it.
All right.
Welcome everybody.
Repost the space.
We're doing skeptic night.
I imagine if you're a regular in our late night conspiracies, you're like, well, who
the fuck is this stuff?
And tell everybody that like tonight we are calling bullshit on like crazy ass conspiracy stuff.
Like, right.
Like, feel free to come up.
I started with the Craigslist ads that pop up every time there's a protest or an event like, right, like a school shooting or whatever.
There's always somebody who comes up with the craigslist ad it's like oh they were hiring crisis actors they they they were
out there advertising to the public because that's that's who they bring in if they're doing a false
flag right some fucking nobody that they hired on craigslist that makes sense right that that was my
first example we got lots that we're gonna come to
tonight like uh and then you know we'll get it out our systems and then we could come back
and go back to being like art bell and just like yeah buddy like fucking the cannibal mermaids and
stuff like it's fun to talk about but like there's a couple things that and the reason i think this is important
is that sometimes i start start to see these things like get traction when they're clearly
designed to lead us astray right so like what one of the things that we have all kind right go the
cia training books or the other leaks we've gotten.
They know that sometimes the best way for them to like fucking disrupt the narrative is for them to flood the conspiracy or the truth seeker communities with bullshit to discredit us and make us look stupid sometime in the future.
us and make us look stupid sometime in the future. It's often presented by people who have
some real information that maybe is unique and then yet they always seem to steer us away from
certain topics. Look at you, Mike Benz. Like straight up, I could go on and on about
the misinformation upside of this. It doesn't mean some of the information
they're presenting isn't real. It just means
that maybe it's designed
to knock you off track or steer you in the wrong direction
and sometimes made to make you look
stupid. And Augustus and my
UFO family, my disclosure fam
are dealing with this like real bad right now.
Right?
So like the people that they're bringing into Congress to testify, keep like presenting stuff, that fucking dude is getting debunked in minutes.
Like that's not a fucking alien spacecraft.
That's a fucking chandelier reflection.
And right?
Like that's not a fucking alien saucer like that's
actually just what the fucking features on the ground look like you know i'm saying that's
specifically designed to demoralize people and knock them off course or get them fucking
demotivated to continue to fucking track down all the conspiracies like what they're actually
going after so i will go chen and then i think it was uh young
blood and then fed up well also it's to me it's it's meant to draw a line in the sand right so
they'll come out with like all the real information and you know what they're they're even allowed to
give you some shit that like to the people in charge is like the price of doing
business right that like okay yeah like that that has to get out but at least if this gets out
right we'll be able to draw a line where people will think that they that they're end at the end
of the rabbit hole and won't dig past that point right so it's almost like a firewall kind of operation sometimes too
without a doubt all right let's kick it around fire space repost let's freaking go i get some
kids listen i want to hear i want to hear some of the most retarded conspiracies that anyone has
ever tried to get you to believe or that you've ever fallen for before like coming out of it it's happened to
the best of us i have plenty of examples where i was like oh my god that is totally real and then
you're like something right and then you figure out like god damn it i can't believe everything
i read on the internet who knew who knew all right fed up or young blood and then fed up
yeah so speaking of retarded conspiracies we had someone come in last night who was trying to tell us that basically that, like, I don't know.
I can't even remember her whole narrative without going back and listening.
But she started talking about, like, I don't know,
like brain chips and stuff, how there's like, yeah, like brain chips, well, I thought it was
weird, and her narrative wasn't very, she wasn't very careful about how she was delivering it, but
I had someone, another friend of mine who
was on the space text me while this is going on. She's like, okay, now, now you're in woo woo. I
said, I said, should I boot her? She's like, no, no, this stuff's real. Uh, but, but it's a rabbit
hole that leads to nowhere. Cause nobody's giving you any answers on it. I thought it was, I thought
it was retarded at first, but, um, but, but, but then when, but then when my friend said it was real, I was like, huh, huh.
That kind of puts a twist on it.
But going off of what Jen was saying there, yeah, it's sort of like how mainstream media does the exact same thing, right?
I remember following the Russiagate story when, because I was still listening to podcasts and whatnot during the time, of course, including Bongino, because he was like the first one out of, he went out on a limb with that story during the first Trump administration, and he would cover all these stories that mainstream media would report on.
And he'd be like, well, see, they're going to say this is old news, but no, here's how it all ties together.
tell you the truth, A, it's not for the right reasons, B, it's meant to keep that specific
thing isolated so you don't connect all the dots and uncover the actual conspiracy. Nowadays,
we have uncovered that conspiracy, and the whole thing was a lie from the get-go. But if we go
back to when it was all unfolding in 16, 2017, you didn't know that at the time.
Now, I wish I had known you guys back then because I bet if I had and we had this platform, we probably would have put the pieces together just as quick.
Yeah, I will say this.
I've got a video of Jen just after Trump won in 2017
warning about the fucking Russia hoax.
We were on that shit
fucking before it was even a shit.
But I want to welcome...
So we have an epic whistleblower with us.
Good to see you, Eric.
One of the things I actually appreciate about Eric
is that he goes out of his way not to overstate like what it what right what he's actually seen and talk about and
differentiate between this is something i think this is something that i'm like actually have
evidence and have seen but one of the one one of the most in my opinion eric interesting parts
of your story is
gets to kind of what we're doing tonight
with Skeptic Night.
Exactly.
Right? There are a bunch of
traps set for
people who maybe are blowing the whistle.
It's like, oh, well, let me show
you the ropes. Let me introduce you
to congressmen or
maybe potential journalists and those
people are often like literally just there to discredit marginalize and otherwise disrupt
real truth from getting out and they're planted all over in the truth-seeking community so eric
welcome bro i would love to hear like your take on what we're talking
about why people need to be skeptical if he's right oh yeah i i think people need to be super
cautious because the factions that have monopolized the technology are running around rogue in an
unregulated capacity have all of the motives and the means to be in the position
they're in.
You know, the production value of this stuff, the constant spotlighting of certain people.
I mean, there's so many content creators that know, like, it costs a lot to produce stuff.
It's really hard to get your stuff in front of people.
So there's this whole crew, there's multiple crews of people that seem to be doing it with great
ease and it's just super interesting that there's apparently no obstacles for them it's really um
to me it's super obvious i'm very happy that it appears that the the general public seems to be
um seeing through the ruse as of late so i'm'm just kind of patiently waiting for the lemmings to stop following the Pied Pipers
and I guess dance to a different tune.
Yeah, like how the fuck did Admiral Tim Gallaudet all of a sudden get a book deal out of nowhere?
You know, that's like a multi-million dollar content production
that you know is now all of a sudden going to just continue to fund the bullshit coming out of that
camp and it's and it's a it's a great um point of contention that you know gallaudet is coming from Noah, which a lot of people don't realize where Noah fits in the mix.
He's an officer. They have officer ranks.
They have commissioned officers that wear Navy-type uniforms.
So there's a lot going on in this equation, and there's so many more departments that have taken funding
and basically got themselves
so secreted away that that nobody knows what's going on there's no oversight
do you think congress so i don't know if this is a dumb question so if it's a dumb question feel
free to tell me it's a dumb question right but how i'm thinking right if if the government
really wanted to continue to hide quote quote unquote, like UFOs and
space aliens and like all this from the general public, right, but they already know that there
is a level of understanding and knowledge of these like aliens and stuff and UFOs,
wouldn't they purposely choose the whistleblowers who were like compromised or truth tellers who
would be willing to sway on some of the ways that they presented the information to the public
this way it's creating almost a litmus test for society when like saying yeah they exist but only this is true kind of thing does that make
sense i i get what you're saying but right this is a one of my other big frustration points i think
eric i've heard you say this i've heard lots is accredited to alien is a perfect scapegoat for man-made
technology that we don't want to have to admit where it came from or who developed it or how we
developed it right which is like oh it's just alien right this is just alien technology
and therefore like we're not responsible for it we didn't have to fund it with
a black budget like any of that stuff and right that i i i think a good example is probably like
what ashton forbes is dealing with right where he he's trying to point out what he's seen in the videos and the rabbit holes that he's chased it down and what he's come up with.
And it's just crazy how many people just want to immediately add that it's somehow alien as an excuse. One of these things that I think that gets implanted all the time in truth seeker or conspiracy, like in our community, are these diversions.
Knowing that, like, listen, people are there's never been a time where people have been this interested in conspiracy theory.
You know what I mean?
Like, I can't believe I actually can't believe how fucking popular it's because it used to be like when I talked to people about the shit I heard on Coast to Coast AM, I'd be that it makes more sense that it's military or government created and blaming it on some otherworldly force that can't be explained or understood.
Yo, can I say something, right? When it comes to that, it's basically this, right? Which is, you know, for a while there, I kind of got got.
fucking uh you know uh what's it called um uh begins with a p um the plasma no the aliens
coming from play playadians the playadians the playadians and the zeta reticulize and the
fucking you know bug eyes with uh you know the the Galactic Federation and the Galactic Federation and all of these different alien races were in, you know, cahoots with with our government and all of that shit.
You know, I feel like I got with that one, bro.
Like, that's one that I call bullshit on now.
Like, the whole alien races concept of, like, hundreds of races are in fucking communications with the U.S. government.
I think that that's all bullshit.
Wait a second.
And I think that the truth is...
All right, go ahead.
All right, go ahead.
Well, because last night, Representative Eric Burlington was on Diligence podcast with Tupa.
Yeah, I know about that.
Congressman Burlington actually revealed that back during Trump's impeachment trial, I think it was like the second impeachment trial,
impeachment trial. I think it was like the second impeachment trial. Um, he was actually briefed
on the different races of aliens and it was, he joked, he was like, Oh, is Adam shift one of these
aliens? Like, so I don't know because this literally happened last night. Wait, wait. So
I just, I want to, yeah, I call bullshit, but go ahead i i also want to just help explain
so like i was first introduced to this concept when somebody very like wild as i was doing radio
i used to do a uh syndicate radio show where i'd like i'd have to do the show in whatever city i was visiting or
working in and one of the like like the local producers once like quartered me i was like
you have to see this and it was the david ike like ancient like alien civil war and uh
you know the shape-shifting reptilians who are malevolent against
this stuff now listen i personally love those discussions because it's very like creative
but from a actual standpoint it's always it's i'm i'm i'm actually happy to call bullshit
that most of that is just literally the made up imagination of a bunch of fucking crazy.
Dude, that's exactly where I'm coming from, bro.
That's literally like you said it better than I did.
But that's exactly where I'm coming from, where I'm calling bullshit.
And I think that it's more likely, right, if I had to be a skeptic with a mix of conspiracy or whatever.
right if i had to be a skeptic with a mix of conspiracy or whatever
that like in the like t towns and brown thomas towns and brown in the 1920s and 30s into the
1940s figured out anti-gravity we fucking started making flying saucers then. And we've been able to traverse space and time since then.
And it's all human shit that people are seeing when they see these UFOs.
It's fucking human technology.
You know, it's more likely that the cover up and the disinformation campaign of aliens are on this planet.
In order to hide the truth that humans are on other planets.
That's fascinating.
I also think that, again, it gives them a perfect scapegoat, allows them to keep secret programs secret with just this broad, overreaching scapegoat of, oh, it's fucking alien stuff.
And, right, like, I see, fuck, Jen points out weird shit to me in the sky all the time.
And, right, I never really thought that it was alien.
I usually think that it's the government experimenting with like, right.
We'll see drones moving in weird directions or doing, but it almost always seems coordinated.
Right. And in a way, and to me, the idea of traveling from far away stars
to end up here has always been a little bit incredulous.
And I think everybody's probably heard me say that.
Like, I've always thought that interdimension or time
is vastly more likely than traversing,
like the kind of distance that we talk about with space.
And I've found it interesting that one of the things
that one of the things that has been reinforced,
that has been reinforced, like, right,
like, right, we're often hearing about
aliens now discussed, or quote-unquote aliens,
or, well, what was it? Non-human intelligence? Is that NHI?
Is that what they call it, Augustus?
I'm going to take that as a yes. Anyway,
that we we seems like it's caught up to that.
But again, I think a lot of this shit can be blamed on fucking military and tech.
And it's the perfect way for them not to have to reveal what's in these secret programs or justify having spent the kind of black budget money that they've spent on this stuff
because oh it's just alien you know what i'm saying all right we have tons of hands i don't
want bogart too much i'll give it jen that was fed up and then we'll hit everybody else
i'll be really quick um we don't even have to expand on it i just want to put out there
um augustus they actually have i think it's a raytheon
with quote-unquote whistleblower who was did one of the the bigger podcasts i can't remember
it might have been sean ryan um but he was discussing how raytheon and them already have
that's the guy on stage oh that's the, Eric Hecker, on stage with us right now.
Oh, hey, Eric.
Yeah, that's why I started laughing.
I don't even know what to do with this situation.
Howdy.
Yeah, that's why I brought him up.
That's not crazy, okay?
Well, there you go.
I know what you're talking about, Jen.
Yeah, no, that's why I brought him up.
Because I thought that would be, like, the perfect person to bring on stage for this topic.
Well, then I can just ask Eric.
Eric, do Raytheon and these defense people really have the ability to traverse space like they say they don't?
Oh, I couldn't.
I can't speak for everything that they're up to as far as like
like my experience proving it I don't have anything in my experience that proves that do I suspect
that that stuff is going on with all of the other things I've come across absolutely there's there's
plenty of research that I've done and stuff to that effect.
But that's documentation that's available to everybody publicly,
and they can do due diligence.
But yeah, specifically, my stuff was different.
It was directed energy weapons stuff.
Which is really serious shit.
And Eric, it's got to be frustrating, frustrating because unless I'm guilty of this as anybody, right, that we're so easily convinced to talk about fucking fantasy retard shit.
When we have people like Eric who are risking it all, right, fucking literally taking all kinds of heat and having people fuck with them and the censorship at PSYOPs.
literally taking all kinds of heat and having people fuck with them and the censorship at
PsyOps. It's like, what? Why can't we just, like,
fucking focus for ten seconds on
all of the real information we're getting? We're so easily distracting conned
into these side combos.
Yeah, like, how about real conversations on, like, what is a whistleblower?
What is a counterintelligence operative?
What is evidence?
Like, you know, and prioritize things.
And then also consider like implications of things, you know, if what this person says
is true and they're wrong, what are the implications?
If what this person says is true and we ignore it, what are the implications?
You know, so there's a lot of stuff people aren't paying attention to which yes it
blows my mind when i i again i think some of it is that right there's there's i don't know
disclosure cabal i don't know if that's right. Maybe I should trademark that. But there's all the people
that we know and we have seen be bad actors over and over and over again who clearly have the
algorithm hacks and get their information out there and the media appearances and other stuff.
But I think a lot of it is also just like trickle down where we allow ourselves to be happily distracted into some of these conversations.
Absolutely. Ignorance is bliss.
And I mean, come on, folks, let's just pay attention to what's going on around us and be honest.
The vast majority of people in these conversations, I'm not saying this group here you know there's limits to stuff but the vast
majority of people that we see in these communities and go to the events and things like that
they're they're like fanboys and fangirls that you know it's it's wild yeah i also i always find it
weird that like any gatekeeping like a whistleblower, should be able to speak.
You don't have to speak through somebody else who's in the disclosure community, right?
That kind of gatekeeping always raise red flags, which is why we're doing Skeptic Night Fed Up.
Are you fed up with how long we've made you wait?
No,, good.
It's been a good conversation.
And you're right.
We definitely, we have to keep the open mind, which is both sides of it, right?
Open to the conspiracies and open to the skepticism, you know.
And there's always a chance we can be wrong, right? And, you know, you were talking about the stuff with Trump's assassination and that. And, you know, I go back to, you know, I remember as a kid, because I was eight when Reagan got shot, right?
And there's always a chance we can be wrong, right?
a kid you know i believe the whole narrative of you know all this crazy obsessed stalker and jody
foster got within inches of killing the president which you know as you get older and start listening
to you know i happen to be in the generation i listened to art bell and george nori and also
listen to you know uh ike and jones and all those guys you know and you start looking into this stuff and start
digging into other people and then things just don't make sense because like the whole hinkley
narrative just once i got older and starts like no this is freaking stupid but they build it up
where people believe it you know you've got this guy you know he's you know whatever been in
jail all these years or you know maybe you finally let him out and everybody's outraged because the
guy who shot reagan's being let out of jail right and it just refuels the build up of that narrative
which makes it so much easier when they do it the next time and the next time that people are going to believe the
bullshit and then you also have to pay attention they always it's always the language they use
it's the language and the timing like y'all said it's the distracting you away from this or
something else because you know you'll have something and all of a sudden something else
comes out and then something else can nowadays it's like three or four things come out at the same time
to distract you away from what they don't want you looking into, and the last part of it is,
like the Bongino, you know, was talking about Bongino and Cash saying about Jeffrey Epstein,
and about the Butler thing, thing right one thing i've caught
especially bongino every time he's talked about it he says that's what they're seeing from the files
and you know i take that as being maybe there is something there that they are because they we know they keep finding
you know here's more files we found in the closet we found more files under this guy's desk you know
these were in a shoe box it seems like everywhere they find they find new files that were hidden
away and so you know and Bongino even said it's like hey bring me more stuff and you know I'll
look at it but I I do take that as maybe that's a key thing
to hone in on that they're saying about. It's like, this is what we're seeing from the files
we have, which is, we know those are probably corrupted and bullshit. You know, we know stuff's
probably either been destroyed, altered, you know, all of that of what they're looking at.
destroyed, altered, you know, all of that of what they're looking at. And we also know people were
blocked. We have congressmen who are on video going out to the site in Butler and being blocked
from being able to investigate it multiple times. And so there's a lot of junk going on that's being
worked through. Now, who is and isn't covering it up? That's something hopefully
we'll figure out, but they've got us pulling in so many different damn ways that, you know, and
again, they just build up this narrative so long of things that they have us believing that once
you look into it are obviously bunk. And also they,
they changed the narrative on certain other things where they make things that
were a big deal,
but you know,
for some reason or another ended up not being as bad as it was.
They turned that into that's,
that's where we were conspiracy theories,
right?
When something didn't blow up the way it was supposed to,
because something happened, you know, way it was supposed to because something
happened, you know, whether it was a good guy stopped something or something changed or whatever,
but then they hold that against us as the conspiracy theorists, right? So it's all,
it's all just a play on games and words. It's a shell game. It's a constant like decade over
decade shell game. Wow. I, I like the way you laid that out although maybe i got a little touch something
that i'll touch on when we get to the cue part of this discussion which is
sometimes we bend ourselves into a pretzel logically in order for us to excuse things from people that we perceive as being on our team politically, right?
And I frustrate myself. I see this happen a lot.
I'm not the person who calls everybody out all the time,
because often even when you're being a skeptic, you'll be proven wrong, right?
But I watch people twist themselves into pretzels to excuse things that if it
was coming from someone else, we would be apocalyptic about, right? And specifically
on the Cash Bongino thing, the Epstein stuff, the Butler stuff, a bunch of other stuff,
right? Like, how do you go from Adam Schiff as the worst criminal in Congress, like in 250 years that Congress has existed, it's like, what?
Huh?
Like, bro, take your fucking Punisher socks off and fucking shove them.
Beep, beep, beep, beep.
Anyway, we'll get, I have a whole rant ready to go for that a little bit later.
Right?
Because, you know, and hopefully I'm proven wrong.
Because, you know, and hopefully I'm proven wrong.
But at some point you have to draw the red line and be like, you know what?
This has been a gigantic fucking waste of my time and energy and effort.
And, like, yep, yep.
You keep moving the goalposts.
All right.
That's another part.
Moving goalposts as part of the general psyop is problematic.
All right, let's keep...
I don't want Bogart.
I think Gabriel was next.
What's up, Gabriel?
Good to see you.
Hello.
Thank you very much for letting me speak.
I'm from France, so, okay, not very easy for me to express.
But it's very interesting about, you know, conspiracy.
I really wanted to share with you my point of view.
One thing, cultures and different realities represent representing the truth, you know.
Representing the truth, you know?
Like, you know, how you're living in the USA,
the rules, the belief,
how you believe, everything you believe in it
are completely different in another state,
whatever the state is.
Same for us, same everywhere.
And representing the truth.
Normally, we all agree on that. Hope you understood what I said. And that's my reflection. Okay, you know, the history and the truth.
It's like, normally we are running after answers, and what is really the truth, we are fighting on that.
But for me, I'm just trying to understand why history is all the time the same.
why and how could they just, okay, manage all the time since humans just exist.
And that's the question I'm all the time just running in my brain.
And I really think that, you know, it's like nature, and everybody knows that also.
We have many people more in power than us all the time.
And the truth, for me, what I'm thinking about, is it's not possible.
We can't catch the truth because it's another reality from our lives.
And that's my reflection
on that
and just to
end this
you would say it's
special, very special for me
for many kind
of things, it's different
but maybe we will
speak about that later
thanks to letting me express myself really
thank you very much thank you gabriel i mean i don't know i'm torn on this one because it's
skeptic night i'm gonna go a little hard like towards the other side than i usually do but
like the idea that of quote unquote my truth has always annoyed the shit out of me.
There has to be some kind of objective truth.
Right?
And just because people perceive it from different, right, people come at it from different perspectives, maybe see the same thing happening. But there's still got to be objective, like absolutely undoubted, objectionable truth that happens with everything.
Right. And again, do we allow the people who want us to be in a constant state of confusion, want us to be able, right, like want us not to be able to reach obvious judgments and conclusions about what reality is.
And, right, I, I, and I definitely get from people, right, like, because I participate in this shit all the time when I do conspiracy space, because it's really interesting.
And I think there is, it's very healthy for us to break outside the artificial constructs of which we've all been conditioned to think, right?
And allow ourselves to look past a bunch of, right?
Like whatever it is we're supposed to stay within these bounds.
You should absolutely allow yourself to think out creatively and accept, right?
allow yourself to think out creatively and accept, right? Like at least in your mind,
accept things in order to like, see if it plays out with the understanding though,
that you're going to let yourself be disproven. I thought Augustus nailed it earlier. The,
you know, the, the, the idea that we know like who, oh, this alien race was fighting this alien race and we have nine right
here here's a list like that to me has been one of those areas that like sure like go out let
yourself think outside of it but also don't let yourself you you are in a state of extreme
gullibility if you're not right if you never stop and say you know what that's
fucking some bullshit if i've ever heard it right like round earth like so obvious just
all right can you can you imagine believing everything nasa has told us is real come on
bro all right well now real quick we have uh you know gab, he's from France. I would be remiss if I did not ask.
Gabriel, is your president banging his dad?
Sorry, is he what?
Is your president Macron, is Brigitte his father?
Like, I think we can agree that that's a man, but is it his dad?
agree that that's a man, but is it his dad? Okay, I think what I read, what I saw, maybe it's
really worse than that, a lot, but nothing just, it's about the truth again, you know.
Media just can make a lot of people believe many things, you know.
But yeah, it's possible that a woman just be a man.
Really, I will not be surprised on that.
Really not, okay?
Because I think one more time,
the truth is just a powerful weapon for that kind of people because they have the control of the mind of the people
everywhere, in USA, in France, everywhere, because it's not the same for me.
In many cases, they control what the truth is, right?
So the baseline has been set by the people who are living above the truth, I suppose.
Well, I actually, I'm going to just shelve this part real quick,
because I do have another section on it,
that like when I was thinking in preparation of this space,
that I think will apply to that.
But I want to give everybody a chance to get in.
Lucas is in the house but i'm
gonna go to dawn first and then uh the key and then we'll go lucas and then back to young blood
and then right i want to get back uh lucas is thumbs down i mean there you go fat down fat
um oh sure it is psyop like i'm supposed to believe that. It's Skeptic Night, Lucas.
How dare you, sir?
All right.
Also, you guys.
Nate, I want to hear it.
Listen, we've all done it.
Give me a rabbit hole that you were convinced was real when you later found out was bullshit.
I think there's tons of them in the health side of the space. You know how many fucking charlatans are out there selling fucking snake oil bullshit as cure all, fix all
remedies? Blow your fucking mind. I'm not saying that, again, the issue becomes in the, once we
know that the official things that we're being told
are bullshit does not mean that all the other stuff that has been dismissed is
also therefore bullshit right or it was therefore real often they're both full
of shit and have no fucking clue what like both sides and oh so we can still bring up conspiracies you so if like
i don't know like you're talking about the moon go ahead yeah this this is skeptic night right so
like what actually that the purpose of tonight is not to do what we do all the other like you know
other 300 nights a year it's tonight we're debunking our own side so like right we're not
debunking the official government tale like we all assume that's all bullshit anyway like i want us to
like call out the straight up horse shit that we see like people who are, quote-unquote, tree seekers or conspiracy theorists fall for too often.
Like, that's the goal of tonight.
All right, let's get Don in here.
Go ahead, Don.
Dustin, before we do that, can I just say one thing?
So the one thing I've, in this whole conspiracy theories and so forth, I kind of start out with the idea, Dustin, like,
what do you think are the three things that we should all be concerned about on a daily basis?
And I say that because I was trying to think about this when you were saying about conspiracy
theories as creating these distractions from basically keeping us focused on what's important, right?
And I think there's enough science to say that I think the average person can hold about four to seven, you know, basically ideas in their head, you know, before they go nuts.
And so that being the fact, you can imagine what we're being bombarded with on a daily basis and how easily people are distracted with TikTok.
Hell, I get from my dad, I get 20,000 emails a day of TikTok videos of some type of new invention or whatever, it's new thought.
It's ADHD on steroids.
And so I just see this, again, as people can't focus on what's most important, essentially, to kind of help take our country back which is really what this I think these spaces are supposed to be about um that that that being said
and I I think I've I've tried also to like what are the three most important things we should
as a country be focused about right now that we can fix and I can't I can literally can't get
consensus on anybody right so that's a problem. I don't think people even remember what the MAGA platform is. I would like to actually ask Eric a question because this is where my conspiracy theories have gone with harp.
And Eric's with this idea of him being close to these directed energy weapons, I'd be more interested in understanding like what he thinks, how important is this issue?
If you rate it among, say, four of the top four ideas that we should all be kind of constantly be in the top of our brains as we understand events as they're unfolding today, is directed energy weapons one of those that people should be focused about
and should be in the top seven, but it's all over the place.
People can't focus, and it's...
I'm just going to be completely honest.
I'm going to put it at the number one position
because it impacts all of the other things.
It's almost like it undermines your foundation to be able to fight anything else.
You know, so if you have no foundation in the fight, you can't fight. So the existence of directed energy weapons, the multifaceted capacity of what they can do,
the omnipresent activity of war that's not using conventional weapons of old that's around
us is actively negatively impacting us. So, you know, it's really hard for us to, you know,
take the next step if we don't start to prioritize things. I think an excellent question i think it's very um important that we
prioritize our problems and and with uh major consideration for the implications of each
problem that we put on the table to consider you know obviously the things that are are worse off
you need to prioritize faster but nobody seems to be doing that um because they're all just following
the pied pipers and taking the unsubstantiated speculations.
I mean, where's the actionable intelligence?
You know, the whole concept of gathering intelligence is so that you can make a move.
That's what I find.
You know, no one's making a move.
That's what Dustin, I think, is part of these rabbit holes people go down is because it's much more fun and entertaining than actually the
hard work of actually gathering the actual intelligence so it can be actually something
that can be implemented or prosecuted or whatever and it's so listen there's lots of reasons
not to waste your fucking time hoping that you're going to get prosecution I there are not prosecutions there are hundreds of
examples where we have exposed stuff but right one of the re and and again I think trying to rank it
also right like this is what we should be paying attention to I think there's so much
interconnectivity with all this shit that it's important to poll on legit, like the threads that have the most legitimacy.
We should be polling on all of them, right?
But that's the problem, Dustin, I think,
is if you look at the WWE, which I think Trump has studied,
and if you look at politics as Hollywood for ugly people,
what you're trying to do is entertain the masses.
And a lot of times the masses, the average person average person that's to say I think it's probably three
things that they can hold in their head because they're constantly distracted
so you have to be very careful of what you present to them because listen listen
don't we I just want to say real quick doesn't that DC is Hollywood for ugly people. That he does
have right, but probably
the rest is bullshit, so go in on him.
This idea that fucking
everyone is so dumb
they can only hold three things in their mind,
right? Again, that's the kind of bullshit
that we put on. Like, people are not
nearly as fucking dumb
as we like to pretend they are
on the internet because right like the
algorithms boost up people who are literally fucking stupid but what i was gonna the point
i was getting to about eric is that the difference between eric and a lot of the other quote-unquote
whistleblowers who end up like leading us down like ridiculous paths, it's not just Eric's word.
Eric didn't just come forward and be like, this is something somebody else told me at
some point down the leg.
It's not secondhand.
And it comes with also a bunch of fucking evidence, like the actual fucking manuals and all of
the other real life evidence that he presented. And to me, when we're talking about prioritization,
I think it's foolhardy for us to try to say in advance,
like if it's not in this category,
it's not worth us paying attention to.
I think that we need to take the information
as it's brought to us,
evaluate it based on its credibility how much real
hard evidence is attached to it and then pull right like pull prioritize that way
to me that makes more sense than trying to pre-establish like oh we should only care about
this or we should only care about doing x y or. I hope you don't think I was suggesting that because I certainly was not.
I was talking about scrutinizing the speculations because that hasn't seemed to occur because we're still talking about stuff that hasn't been substantiated.
So it just hasn't passed muster.
It's failed.
I mean, two years ago, I went to Washington, D.C. and's failed i mean two years ago i went to washington dc and i gave evidence
for two years i haven't seen anyone produce any evidence no that's exactly what i'm saying eric
which is like to me right copy that we're on the same page then i apologize no to me i was wildly
fucking annoyed that you had to right you had to go to Congress next to other people who didn't have nearly as much fucking evidence.
Or any.
Right?
And often those are the ones that grab the headlines because they don't have to verify and fucking prove anything.
And the only exception I was taking...
And then worse yet, they get someone else who has no evidence but will pat that person on the back.
And then they give a mutual bat packing.
And then they find another person.
And then we get a whole group of people have no evidence.
But they're all friends.
And they all go to the events.
And everybody buys tickets.
And that's the state of disclosure.
And listen, if we unwrap the direct energy weapons and the contractors and, right, everything going on with
what you, like that, when you pull on that thread, it's going to unravel a bunch of other stuff that
is worth, like that answers other questions and leads us to whatever the eventual truth is.
I guess the exception I was taking with Dawn, I thought it was a reasonable question,
but trying to predetermine what we should prioritize, I think is the wrong way. I think
we need to look at things that are presented to us, evaluate them based on their credibility and
evidence, and then prioritize what we concentrate on. But what I think is we go for profit.
That would be standard application of discernment.
That would be totally normal operating procedures
is that we have to gather the information,
but we have to filter out what the shit is.
I'm a plumber, right?
So I think of the disclosure community for the most part.
My observation is it looks like a whole bunch of podcasters
who are
like, I'm going to leave it up to the audience to decide. I don't want to censor anyone. I'm
going to let everybody talk. Well, what happens is that the river of truth, so to say, just now
has everybody walking up to the side of it and throwing everything in, which is some truth and
lots of mud. And now the listeners are downstream and they're forced to filter the mud out.
I'm sorry.
I think our efforts shouldn't be wasted in the monotonity of trying to pull the particulate out of the water.
Instead, we should get everybody out of the stream, move upstream where the mud is being thrown in,
and attack the people throwing the mud which
basically means that when we find people who are not telling the truth right when we find bad intel
we should figuratively be you know throwing tomatoes at these people on the stage
they shouldn't just be getting a pass so can can I just – so where I was going with this, for instance, I was talking about Overton windows.
And I say this in the idea, like say with what Derek is saying, with the idea of perhaps he's rogue intelligence agency, which I think we've heard Trump use the word cabal.
You've had the military-industrial complex.
had the military industrial complex, that's an Overton window. And so when Trump came in,
That's an Overton window.
the idea was he was going to end these endless wars and essentially shut down the deep state
and drain the swamp. So that comes in with a set of expectations about, are we on the same page of
how we view current events? And I'm saying that sort of dictates then what comes in your stream
as to how you evaluate it. And I say that with your,
with like we were mentioning about the health movement, right? So with this whole pandemic
and say these rogue, you could argue about whether this came out of the bioweapons programs,
you know, direct evolution, blah, blah, blah. It has somehow now you have all these people
you're mentioning that are talking about all these solutions out there, but nothing's really
the Overton window of understanding how do we shut down these bioweapons programs mentioning that are talking about all these solutions out there, but nothing's really,
the Overton window of understanding how do we shut down these bioweapons programs,
that guy's gotten lost in all this. And he's saying, it's just, let's pull stuff out of the water. Are we doing anything then to stop the bioweapons development plus these directed
energy weapons, which seem to be being done by these rogue intelligence groups,
which was the framework that sort of Trump came into office with.
And that just gets lost in all of the details.
And then you have 20, you know, nicotine patches, parasites, whatever.
It's thousands of different things getting thrown at you, and you just get lost.
Yeah, I mean, we have to, right, it's important, though, that there is the, like, river, because
there has to be access for people to, like, come out and be able to speak, right?
But what we're all getting at is that we're all knocked off course comp like we're all knocked off balance constantly
by a flood of information and what what the things i like to just remind people
and i'll get to because i think one of the biggest high-ups that we allow them to project
with the power is allowed to project themselves as more powerful through conspiracy and truth-telling, disclosure,
whatever you want to call these communities, right?
Power has figured out a very solid way of making themselves seem vastly more powerful
than they actually are by injecting, you know, scary conspiracy theories about full control of everything and every movement.
And I think that's also one of those tricky ways that our community gets used
to advance an agenda that we don't agree with. And people are going to care about different things.
So like, right, one of my favorite things is that I've got the like weaponized ADD real bad.
But I can have friends like Dr. Angela, who are in, you know, Destiny, who are going to
war on the health side of things, who I know are going like deeper down the rabbit holes
than I go, but i can check in with
them to like get their update and i could also go to augustus and tupa and like my like that crew
there who and i'll give a perfect example actually i think it was less than a week ago augustus
right i i started to watch the podcast that john ramirez was on. Former CIA guy who's saying that
military brain chips and
alien hybrids are real. I was like, oh, I was
really fascinated. I was fucking listening to it. And then Augustus
had a space that had like, John Ramirez. I go into the space
and bro, they fucking shut that
motherfucker down and like it took like less than 10 minutes for augustus tupa and red panda to
fucking make me not want to go rest watch the rest of the fucking interview because it is obviously
like horseshit he's attached to all the other bad fucking actors i've watched knock everybody off
course over and over and over again and so like in in some
ways it's not that we need to like stop the flow of information it's just that like people we we
have to find people that we know and trust to kind of like take it down like take take go down the
rabbit hole for us and come back and report on what they found was important or not
important. So I guess kind of the way I see it breaking down. All right, let's go, Jen, and then...
Can I do breaking news first? The one big beautiful bill just passed the Senate 50 to 51
with J.D. Vance stepping in to be the breaking tie and Schumer's now forcing them to read the entire thing out loud.
Ugh, gross.
Well, wait a second.
Dr. Angela, I thought they were just voting on to open debate.
That was the confusion and diligence space.
Oh, is that what it was?
Yeah.
Damn.
Okay, so that's why Schumer.
Yeah, so that vote they just did was to open.
That's wild. J.D. Vance had to vote even to open it.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah. So they brought him in to put it open so they could have the back and forth on it.
Okay.
For like 10 hours, I believe.
And then the official vote.
And Schumer's forcing him to read the entire bill out loud right now.
Yeah. And he's doing it because it's going to take longer than 10 hours.
He knows that.
Like, if you go word by word, it's 945 pages.
It all has to be literally read into the record.
And they estimated it's going to take 15 hours,
which is a good loophole to push things out further.
What, they have Sloth from
the Goonies fucking reading it?
Well, they actually have a word count.
They have it all mathematically
deduced. They need to get somebody
like me who can sound like a used car
salesman to read it.
Bring in the old micro-machines.
Have you ever listened to them read one
before? It literally is like
being in third grade
and the teacher is reading a book.
Just so you guys know.
Okay, so we need cameras on all of their faces
to watch their reactions as it being read
so we know who didn't read the bill and who did
because they'll have shock looks on their faces.
No, nobody's there.
They don't have to be there.
Yeah, they'll sit on the floor while it's being read.
Oh, then why the hell is he...
Exactly.
Where's no, like, why?
Where's McConnell?
Because they're killing fucking time to, right?
Because they're banking on the fact
these guys are all fucking douchebags
and care about, like, getting home in time
for Fourth of July than they do.
Right?
And it's just them play.
So I'll be honest.
I'm just going to lay it out there.
I've been getting lots of requests
to give my analysis of the bill.
Go through it with people.
I think it's an atrocious,
terrible,
garbage
fucking bill.
Like every other spending bill. And senate made it even worse and at right
but also give trump what he fucking wants like right trump has clearly made the decision
that he doesn't want to upset that like it's best for us not to upset the apple cart and for for the for fucking regular fucking business to continue
and i'm willing to fucking just shut up and put up with it because like i don't really
i don't want to fight trump on it like let let him have whatever the fuck he wants and like
you're great great great brain kids will still be paying for it, but there's zero appetite to make any real change anyways.
Yeah, but Dustin, except the Senate
took out all of the provisions that made Trump want the bill.
They took out the no tax for tips.
They took out all of the shit that made what Trump wanted in the bill.
It absolutely added the bill,
and they added in another trillion dollars in spending from the House bill. It's absolutely out of the bill, and they added in another trillion dollars in
spending from the House bill. Listen, regardless, the House bill has what the House bill has in it,
so whatever the Senate takes out doesn't mean that's like a final, right? They still have to
go through reconciliation. If the changes are deemed too big, then the fucking House has to
go back and revote, right? You can't reconcile bills that are
ruled to be too far apart.
These fucking parliamentary
games, though, like,
you all talk about fucking psyops
to make us waste our fucking time.
I let these
stupid motherfuckers
for like 15 years of my fucking
life convince me that I was making the difference
by fucking... Congress has been good for nothing, Dustin. Yeah, no, right? Oh, oh, I like 15 years of my fucking life convinced me that i was making the difference but congress
has been good for nothing dustin yeah no right oh oh i fucking got this concession and we cut
spending here we got this fucking provision and at the end of the day not that fucking matters
right they still fucking spend and spend and spend and spend and spend and spend and it's both fucking parties we i don't
know that we have one decent fucking human being in congress the kids got the credit card right
that's didn't it's like it's like giving a kid a credit card but i tell everybody at this point
yeah earlier earlier i forget who it was was eric or don was saying you know it's like what i forget exactly what he's saying but i was thinking that you know everything at least
in that world it's like money boats and hoes that's like what goes on in that environment
and i don't i've been living in northern virginia for a while and shit does not make sense out here
i will just i i tell i invite everybody out here. I'm out here come out to DC come and explore
Go, you know, like just come and check it out. It's it's definitely weird if you work for a living
If you worked ever in your life and then you come out here
You're gonna be shocked at where your fucking tax money's going. Trust me. Trust me on that
Now preach on that
So I listen I don't really want to dive into it because i it
puts me in a bad mode because like we should like you want to talk about that we should
care about but we have i i just again i've people just fucking beat themselves up to death and fucking get, make very, right, like the, at best, we will often improve things on, in the margins, which is not nearly enough.
fucking game, like tribal thing,
like fucking Mike
Johnson isn't fucking
cutting fucking deals with fucking
Jeffries, and it's all a fucking
made-up fucking fairy tale
bullshit game for the cameras,
and another fucking quadrillion
dollars of our fucking kids' money
will get spent, and maybe it's
not even, maybe
37 trillion is so fucking much
that
none of us
fully appreciate or have the ability
to fucking represent just how gigantic
of a fucking number that is
and then wrap our head around how we got so fucking little
in return. You want to talk about MindFox.
And that's why I don't want to deal with it.
Yeah, Dustin, I was going to say
I got a conspiracy if you want to
shift gears. I know because this one
gets me worked up too.
Alright, let's go.
So the one that I was going to bring up was the
I don't know if you ever heard of the Illuminati
Cube. It's a very
interesting conspiracy theory about
there essentially being like every
every day has 24 hours in it but there's four of those days or like there's four pathways or
dimensions in your life like so even though you think you're making only one decision and that's
like determinative there's actually like three separate things you don't know that you're actually contributing to.
And it's just an interesting concept.
I go back and forth from believing
we're in like a simulation to like, you know,
because that's kind of where that leads.
But, you know, it's an interesting one
where when you look into it,
you kind of see like the theories
came from like educated people.
The guy was like a mathematician.
And I mean, they added in the Illuminati to give it the conspiracy kick.
I think they call it a temporal-based analysis.
It's weird.
I'll post something down in the purple pill so people can check it out if they want to.
That was one that I always thought was wild.
It captivated you to hear the people can check it out if they want to but that was one that I always thought was wild because it was like it
captivated you to hear the
people talk about it and explain it
but now it kind of seems like
that is kind of merging
into that
theory that we're in a simulation
it's kind of similar to that in a way
so yeah
that's it
listen
it's no surprise.
My conspiracy spaces, not Skeptic Night, but the other ones have been steering towards this stuff.
Right. Which is becoming more and more convinced that we are that different people are living on different timeline, like how we perceive
our reality around us
is very
different from person to person.
NPCs are definitely fucking real.
100%. Right?
But like
I've lived more
life than most people
in like
two, like sometimes like six month segments like
dude I've done like ten things that people will think are like lifetime
achievement type shit you know what I'm saying and like I feel like maybe time
moves at a completely different pace for me than it does for a lot of people
although sometimes it slows way the fuck down. I don't do anything for a long time either.
I don't know. There's always balance.
Anyway.
I found that one, Dustin, from the Mandela Effect.
That was the rabbit hole I was going down.
And that's how I ended up in the cube one.
I like how some of them take you in a certain direction.
Especially if you're on YouTube.
Oh, you were saying cube.
I thought you were saying cue.
Oh, sorry.
Because if you want to talk about the cube rabbit hole, oh, one of my favorites.
Okay, literally one of my favorites.
But go ahead, Dust.
Well, no.
So what's interesting is one of our really close friends, Gavin Wz, right, has a theory on time that like, right.
And he's one of the most brilliant fucking scientific minds I fucking know, like for real.
What's funny is I didn't know he was like fucking super science genius.
Most of the time I knew him because he's married to like one of our political friends, Millie Weaver.
I knew him because he's married to like one of our political friends, Millie Weaver.
Dude, he had somebody, he had a fucking professor at a fucking university literally steal his entire fucking concept and present it in a scientific paper.
Like fucking recently, like a couple days ago.
We'll have to get Gavin in here and like fucking go fucking to war over that shit.
But like they didn't even change the
images in the presentation like they they literally straight published his thing his work yeah like
absolutely still credit for it but those are some of my like when we get him and dr roy and like
right like some some of our best philosophical deep thinking minds in here talk about consciousness,
reality, time, and the unknown dimensions.
That's when I think, I don't know, I always leave those conversations feeling so refreshed
and energized in a way that's super positive, unlike when I talk about the big, beautiful
Bill and I'm just fucking angry. Dustin, can i go along that thread with eric in the room because i have
one conspiracy theory that may tie this together i was curious about the idea of creating a digital
twin and this idea of ai creating a digital twin and i guess that's Eric one of the conspiracy theories that I was tossed
was this idea that a harp went digital not too long ago was analog signal and they went digital
is that true I'm not familiar with the harp tale.
It almost sounds like someone's just playing with word salad on that one.
And then in regards to AI cloning or AI that you've been making, which they track.
And so they essentially make a digital replica of you.
Oh, I don't doubt that they're trying that stuff.
I actually can speak to that probably better than Eric.
Being that I was a part of – most of you guys have heard me say this,
I was part of the Cambridge Analytica stuff.
I had seen the construct and had some input
on the overall design.
I think it's got such a ridiculous rap
considering how flawed and limited our data set,
like the data set Cambridge Analytica had compared to what Google and Facebook had.
But Don, what you're talking about,
the digital twin stuff,
often this is somewhere where the language that it's wrapped around
often turns people off and makes it seem kookier than it is.
That's all about modeling, prediction modeling.
And it's taking all of this information
and putting it into like running scenarios
through the AI, running simulations
in order to determine how certain people are going to act.
Most of the time it's used for marketing purposes, right?
Which is if I evoke this emotional reaction,
I should present what products are people most likely to buy
in that current state,
like after we've managed to evoke that emotional reaction.
So, but digital twinning,
literally all about prediction modeling and, and is 100% a real
thing. And I'm saying that from the standpoint of playing out geopolitical events. So the people
that you say, let's say there's this cabal, and you use that Overton window to try to interpret
events, that you would think the RAND Corporation, of course, is one of these institutions that would be simulating geopolitical events to understand. Wait a second, they already
did that. 2016, they've already done that with the Transition Integrity Project. How we got January 6
is literally January 6 was one of the simulations that they ran with like actual like actors and stuff.
Like they have that.
Right.
And I think the one thing about Cambridge Analytica,
I think it was end up being used by our intelligence services in warfare
because the idea is once you've taken over a country,
you still have to basically win the people over to the position that you're
representing and you're taking it over.
So you therefore would have to use the analytics to predict the behavior,
to move them in the direction that you would want them to go,
which gets back to creating a constructing a timeline of events.
And then you have these digital twins,
which you could group into statistical modeling methods to say,
they'll move in that direction if
we present this information in front of them and they'll choose this and so it's that's the game
that I see happening I'll say the Cambridge Analytica would be like a fucking abacus
compared to a quantum computer and I'm just using that because I know they probably were using those techniques.
Right.
The techniques, though.
Right.
And this is the big difference.
Right.
Obama, in his presidential victories, had a unified big tech backing to do their modeling.
Right.
So like and their micro-targeting and micro-messaging.
Really what it was all about was taking data
and figuring out what micro-message
would have the most impact on getting people to take the,
right, like for Brexit, for example.
Like what messaging was the most likely to get people
to vote in favor of Brexit, right?
And maybe that person was particularly more likely to be moved by immigration, whereas somebody else was more likely to be moved by trade.
But I'm telling you, the system that Cambridge Analytics used was created by a guy named Alexander Nix.
He had his Nix codes, which was like 74 inputs.
Dude, fucking Google and Facebook and all of the fucking big tech fucking Silicon Valley,
their systems are so, it's literally the difference between an abacus and a
quantum computer. They're not even
in the same neighborhood
but this is the other part of the
soil. That reminds me Dustin
did you
hear about that researcher?
Let me finish the thought real quick
which is
it's wrong of us to assume
that there's a unified front in quote
unquote secret societies or even in tech or another place right what we often refer to as the but they
or the bad guys or the right that's actually like there's also fear like everything else there's divisions and rivalries and blood feuds and that the tech
is being exploited and grown and researched like against each other and it's one of the things that
eric's like said that really stood out to me like i don't know that i've ever heard anybody like
really pull out but right what he said is that raytheon was only the temporary steward at right like where
he was working that that they rotate it out so like sometimes it's raytheon maybe it's fucking
haliburton i'm not being specific there but that even amongst the companies there's somebody who's
compartmentalizing who gets access and when
in order to, even amongst those circles, maintain control.
And one thing we've also gotten from anybody who's worked really deep inside the government,
black book, off book operations, is they compartmentalize shit in a way so that
you don't even necessarily know
exactly what you're working on.
And that you're moved around enough
that you can still participate.
You have a little piece of the puzzle,
but the number of people who have the full piece
of the puzzle is very, very limited.
But there's not this like,
when we talk about the secret societies,
they're not all unified together and i think a lot of what we end up with is like the the war between them spills
out as far as like them trying to expose others or right like there's definitely inside shit that
we don't know going on there.
So, anyway, that's where I was going is like my skeptic side. And to push back a little bit, I think the stakes are so high with the D.
Not sure what happened there.
Fat finger, baby.
Try to come back, Don. Double mute. Yeah, no, there you go. Yeah, I just,
I think the stakes are so high, though, especially if you're looking at the war in Ukraine. And I
don't want to derail your schedule. But the idea of what they're going on with using AI
in the use of having drones, targets, you know, particular soldiers.
I think this stuff is advancing at a pace
that I'm not too sure what's directing it anymore.
So this idea of the digital twins tied
to the military industrial complex
with determining what is the potential target,
it gets really, it's moving so fast.
And we don't have, you're saying,
who's guiding the
algorithm heuristics of these of these systems because we're not involved in those discussions
no no nor do we even have real discussions about what real guardrails would look like right you
you want to talk about something that pisses me the off like we desperately need to put some guardrails on our ai again i'm not a i'm not
somebody who thinks that i think ai is going to be great but i think we should limit like we should
put very clear limits and base level like guidelines as far as like it's and the example i
always give i think that there should be one ai that can do health
and that ai should not also be tied into electricity and also be tied into the department
of transportation data and also be tied into right the the budgetary process right keep we
there should be firewalls set up between that's why i'm so fucking against
palantir is that like are we really going to let one single fucking ai have access to all the
fucking records and cannot can people not see how that takes something that could be really
revolutionary improve efficiency and do all kinds of good and that allowing one
single database to process all this information could be really really really fucking bad
and that all we'd have to do is be like no you know what one fucking llm for each specific task
and you don't get to the bleed over and cross it but when you know what we're too busy arguing
about fucking retard shit to ever have real discussions about any of that stuff
and i and it is funny because i don't don't i want to get lucas in i've been keeping him waiting go
ahead lucas
lucas you got we can't hear you probably gotta leave and come back. Probably switch on and off Wi-Fi.
Just drop down, come right back,
and we'll be able to hear you.
Give him just a second.
I see Tupa down in the audience,
and he just put up a really funny post
about Ashton Forbes.
So if he can come up and talk about post about Ashton Forbes. So if he
can come up and talk about also what happened
last night, I don't know.
While we're waiting for the other gentleman to come back up,
are they only allowed to have
one person read the whole thing or do they get to take
turns?
I'm sure they
can take turns.
Yeah,
they got people swapping in now either way though it's god if you've never
listened to legislation being read it's incomprehensible it's might as well just be
fucking gibberish all right go ahead lucas okay well sorry about that i did i walked back into my
house so it was my Wi-Fi.
Compartmentalization. I mean, I've been following along the conversation, and I want to talk about,
you said earlier, what thing have you dove into? What conspiracy theory? For me, you know, it's money. It's the Federal Reserve. It's Marxism. But as you say, as you talk about compartmentalization,
and somebody brought up the RAND Corporation, I immediately thought, and I knew your Cambridge
analytic history. I don't think of you as Robert McNamara because it was private.
RAND is short for research and development. And it wasn't the CIA behind RAND. It was the federal government more broadly behind RAND. And the reason that it needed research and development was to circumvent the moral arguments against involvement in the Vietnam War.
around moral arguments, well, a good thing to turn to is to science, to compartmentalize something
so that people aren't seeing the big picture, and then to bowl them over with empirical magnitudes.
And I'm not so worried about it whenever that's in private hands, and that's not behind the
government. But when it's in the government, and I'm glad you went to Palantir, because that's
exactly where my mind goes.
Cambridge Analytica is innocuous, but you make it the Rand Corporation, and we got a big problem on our hands. Now, to our concepts of money, I've been with whatever the new New York City mayor,
New New York City Mayor, Mandami.
There's been, hey, Edward, by the way, good to see you.
There's been this huge narrative against Marxism.
And when I hear people's ideas of Marxism, I'm constantly scratching my head and thinking to myself, we have been walked in to this compartmentalization called economics,
and then our minds are toyed with. And I know that, I guess what amazes me when people are
talking and using Marxism, you know, Marxism was a reaction to classical economics, but it never
put forth an idea as to how to run the world. Classical economics
said, hey, we're going to compartmentalize the moral things that you think are wrong,
and we're going to find a group of dupes to take advantage of. And classical economics said, oh,
those will be the workers. We're going to take advantage of the workers. Marxism said, oh,
that's wrong. That's not morally right. But he didn't put together an idea to circumvent that. Then a whole group of people
said, oh, let's take advantage of the buyers. Let's have a marginal revolution. We'll call
ourselves a neoclassical economist. But because the workers are rising up against us, we're going
to take advantage of the buyers. And that was Maynard Keynes. And there was a reaction to him that was the Austrian that said,
you know, be careful. If this gets into the hands of the governments, we've got problems on our
hands. But economics is part of compartmentalization that is one side of a coin. I can't stop that metaphor, sorry. The other side of it is politics. And we live in
a world where we are given these structures of narratives. But the sad thing is politics
and economics are compartmentalized, and they exist. The whole coin is called religion.
and they exist, the whole coin is called religion. And we have this yearning to retie religion
with our government. But we've designed a system in which we've forgotten how to get back to that.
And I'll bring it to the Federal Reserve. I used to be a very in the Fed,
in the Fed, in the Fed. But if you start thinking about it in terms of these structures, then you
say, well, if we in the Fed, who replaces it? And the answer is the same people with different faces.
And this is where we get to these notions of the Illuminati and whoever these groups that are operating may be, they are compartmentalized.
And I don't know.
I guess I'll close it up.
When I walked in and I was listening, you guys were talking about time and truth.
And I constantly think today, too, there's a group of people in Peru, the Aymara.
And in their language, they don't walk
into the future. They don't face the future. They walk into the past, and the past is before them.
And so there's so much bound up in how we cooperate and work towards the same idea with
each other. And it might be even so deep as that our language is set up
to compartmentalize us that sounds like communism right so so well hey that's really it's you stole
my allot because i was gonna call i was gonna be like lucas you fucking commie pro-fed commie
that's what i took out of that um no but i actually like i i know lucas's positions and like
it i it is interesting which is that that diving in when you were talking it reminded me so
i wish he had stuck around because he was only here for like a minute but when we started the
space joe kalisor was like in the audience i really like joe and what
interesting why i thought he'd be a perfect fit for this is i've seen him going at a bunch of the
sacred doom cows about some stuff so like right like luke is talking about the fed and some of
the stuff that we all accept is like the worst boogity boogity
man um right and this kind of guess maybe this is like my copium for not
fucking caring about the big stupid bill or whatever is that you know what like as critical
as we could be about we have still advanced the human condition a pretty long way.
Now, that's not an excuse,
but I think that there's a tendency for us
to try to adapt bad things that happen
into our preconceived notions of what's bad, right?
Where it's like, and the easiest example
are the people who blame the Jews for everything.
Right. Like you. Right. Oh, this person's great uncle is actually tied to this person.
I think if. There's one of the things that like I get really another like place that like I should call bullshit more and don't is like people tying conspiracies together through like ancient ancestor type deals.
Which has always been just a little like ridiculous for me.
Right. Oh, well, his his great great grandpa was part of this.
And therefore, like, he's definitely like, oh, he's definitely CIA then.
Or like, oh, he's definitely CIA then.
And a lot of times we allow those kind of lazy guilt by association things to just slide.
And I think that they're overwhelmingly exploited.
Like the number of times I see people, even against people I don't like, use guilt by association
really bugs the shit out of me.
Right? Like, you think I know
every, the
full background and
stances of everybody
who's ever spoken at an event
that I have also spoken at?
Fuck no.
Like, I don't even
usually know who else is speaking.
So, right, and yet I see all the time,
oh, he spoke at an event where this person spoke
as like a tact vector.
I think that's where a lot of times in conspiracy,
if we fuck up, it's that we're too willing
to tie things together because they're loosely associated.
Or that they have some similarity or some tenuous connection.
And then we allow them, though, to be like, make the assertion that this thing is, you know, oh, look.
Here's two congruencies,
and then just move on from it without it being challenged, just like at the base level.
And on the compartmentalization, Lucas beautifully said about economics and politics and religion,
you want to talk about the greatest, like, one of the greatest psyops of them all convincing us that the topics that we're not supposed to talk about in polite company
are the most important things in the world to us right like you don't talk about politics religion
and sex like that don't talk about those things motherfucker
how did we ever let them convince
us that those are the things that we're not supposed to
like talk about those literally
the things that fucking like make up
our whole fucking reality
and yet like we allowed them to
convince us that like oh yeah don't do that
anyway we'll get young blood in
here Tupa good to see you bro
yeah I think it's worth do that. Anyway, we'll get young blood in here. Tupa, good to see you, bro.
Yeah,
I think it's worth having a sense of perspective
when it comes to these types of conversations
because I think we were
all, quote
unquote, not
conspiracy theorists at one point in time.
Right?
Because
for me, I wasn't into the whole
health stuff as much as I am now until, obviously, the pandemic. And then you start seeing all this
stuff, all this data. They were just putting out bad data, right? They weren't even good liars.
The puppets they put up, the Fauci,
and that's Fauci with an X,
these people were just bad liars, bad at their jobs.
Their arguments were so easily deconstructed
that you couldn't help but just bad at their jobs, their arguments were so easily deconstructed that
you couldn't
help but just
tear their arguments
apart.
They could have had
better liars, but
anyway, that was the thing that won't be able to...
And then I start seeing all this stuff
about the shots, and I'm like,
what? So And I'm like, what?
So now I'm one of these alleged anti-vaxxers.
But where I'm going with that is, you don't, there has to be, right, truth is truth, right?
It corresponds to reality.
But what is reality?
Is it the thing we see in front of with our eyes?
Or are there things that we don't see that are reality and we're just not privy to it?
Like are we just not...
And that's not even to mention things we have no ability to see Or things that
That we just can't see
Or whatever
Of course there's other shit going on
All the time
I'm going to take the first example
Dr. Angela are you with us?
Yes I am
To highlight
What I'm trying to get at tonight, right, isn't the – listen, we talk about the conspiracy side of stuff all the time.
It's what I love talking about and trying to unwind all the crazy – but specifically tonight, my goal was to tear apart some of the other side.
my goal was to tear apart some of the other side so we had all of these people who
suddenly stopped to trust the medical establishment because of the lockdowns and covid and the jab and
everything else but on the other side of that coin there are a bunch of really not good actors who
sell people all kinds of fake stuff and so dr ang. Angela, I'm just going to throw a couple out that
I see get kicked around all the time. Will ivermectin cure every kind of cancer in two weeks?
No. No, right? If you take methylene blue and ivermectin, will it prevent you from getting a bunch of diseases that people have gotten for a long time?
Oh, fuck you. I'm screaming right now.
No, but I do want to qualify some of these things.
do want to qualify some of these things. I have a
colleague in Australia that I referred to a
specialist who deals with ivermectin and fentanyl
and she had a nasty GI cancer
secondary to the jab and her body's responding very nicely.
So it works for some people, but not in two weeks.
I don't want to discount the fact that it does help people.
There are cases where it can help.
But, for example, I know people now who take either ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine or some other like batch of drugs as a prophylactic
in ways that's terrible for gastrointestinal health and immunity long term
exactly what's this can you give me some of our just right other health freedom
pitholes that people you've seen stumble into dr angela well just the one size fits all like
if you are struggling take this pill and it will cure all ills like i mean i've specialized in
nutrition for 18 years and i can say there's there's general um categories that people may fall within but not everybody does
well with the same thing so there isn't a one-size-fits-all and that's the problem with
these um packs of vitamins and things people are trying to sell is uh you know if you took a vaccine
here's what you need and it's oh the thing that's driven me the most crazy is when they call it a spike detox.
I mean, hello, last I checked, this was a genetic modification with modified RNA and plasmid DNA
that's literally being found in different organs when people are being operated on four years down the road.
So don't tell me you're somehow doing a spike detox.
Now, to say that we know there are nutraceuticals out there
that help break down spike that's currently in your body,
sure, but you're still going to be reproducing it daily.
We haven't found that off switch yet.
So I don't like the one size fits all and cure all philosophy
this is where the skeptic in me comes in where this is concerned because you got all these
supplements out there and by the way i'm gonna name drop the wellness company is one of them
that's got one of the that's marketing one of these spike detox things like really like you
guys found the off switch i don't believe that i't believe that. Y'all just trying to sell a product, and not to mention, you're the CEO of your company on stock in one of these companies that makes the PCR test kits.
see people who get all these supplements, who get, um, and thinking that they're going to, uh,
cure their stuff, whatever. They're just, they're just throwing money away. So when it, when it
comes to, when it comes to that stuff, that's where the skeptic in me comes in is that, um,
now I don't, don't ask me what the difference is between being a skeptic and being a cynic.
Uh, I, I haven't figured that one out yet becauseic and being a cynic uh i haven't figured
that one out yet because uh i haven't delineated when i'm being skeptical and when i'm being
cynical so well well here's a couple others right so just places to call bullshit so especially in
the fitness nutrition world right even to take it like further from health, there is so much fucking bad information that these quote unquote influencers pan out.
Oh, you want to know the biggest one that's been hurting people with COVID?
Take D3.
Take D3.
Take high dose D3.
Take lots of D3.
I have seen more people with toxic vitamin D levels.
And if you're low in vitamin D, get your ass in the sun.
If you're still not converting, you either have a toxic issue or an issue metabolizing fats.
Because guess what?
Vitamin D is a fat-soluble vitamin.
And I'm seeing nonstop people are having fat metabolism issues.
And again, because of the spike protein, there's a huge issue there,
I'm sorry, the lipid nanoparticle, there's a huge issue that was introduced there as well.
But long story short, it's very deep into metabolism, but high dose D or specifically D3
causes issues with iron toxicity and lack of copper availability it's pretty bad i've heard
very similar things about a2 because like right like people go and they get this right vitamin a
that people get this advice from fucking randos on the internet because they don't trust
the medical establishment anymore so you're like oh let go see. I think the liver king dude is a perfect example.
Right?
The crazy motherfucker who's, like, trying to fight Joe Rogan now.
Right?
Like, if you followed along his journey, like, you want to talk about, like,
rejecting mainstream does not necessarily mean that you find good information
in the alternative and right like some of these diets some of these
workout programs um that I'll give another example I often joke because I'm a smoker
that like oh I do it because it's good for me. Because, fuck, if... Listen, if the fucking medical establishment is...
Like, it's a psyop.
Nicotine's actually awesome for us.
And it's not a big deal that I take mine in through smoking.
So, we're good.
Obviously, right?
You know my opinions on it because I've harassed you.
Yeah, no.
Dr. Angela has signed off on my smoking, you guys.
She has not.
I've never heard a doctor
who recommends you getting nicotine
from smoking tobacco products.
I mean, come on.
I thought this was a marriage.
The hot burning into your lungs.
Have you been to France?
Never.
The hot burning into your lungs counsels the positive I mean, have you been to France? Never, never.
The hot burning into your lungs counsels the positive.
But no, you're correct.
In Europe, they tend to not have cigarettes, which the nicotine has been coated in other chemicals and toxins.
Yes.
Dustin, you know that tobacco helps you with grounding and it pulls nutrients in from your feet.
So what you really have to do is be careful that you're not wearing toxic shoes.
Yeah.
You guys listen to Dr. Lucas, okay?
And Dustin, can I just put a little bit of a spin on this one, too, because I think this is interesting, the differences between the politics and understanding what is the truth of history, which is narrative, and what you're talking about now, of trying to understand the science. And you saw a lot of doctors who were probably arguing about, you know, the efficacy of vitamin D
and so forth, as she's just speaking about. And so what I saw during the whole pandemic is
actually a lack of agreement on the science of how to interpret what it is that we were all dealing
with. I'll take you two steps further. Science has been corrupt in nutrition and health for 70 years.
I'm going there. 70 years. Here's where I'm going with this, Angela. The corruption. So as a person
who's just talking about, we have distracted all the time when we're
talking, but we haven't even got into like nutrition and the science of whatever, of, of,
of medicine. How do you assume that the doctors are using some type of epistemological framework
to derive what is the truth? So we can't even agree on that do you want to know their epistemology epistemological framework
it's probably driven by money it's a cookie cutter protocol that was given to them by the
cdc or the ama this is how you do this is why you do it don't ask questions don't do anything else
well and also you have like the rockef, for instance, when they took over the medical
thing in the 1920s, right?
And they outlawed anything that was homeopathic and advertised that as woo woo.
And if you didn't go along with their American Medical Association, right, which is they
are in turn giving money to places like Johns Hopkins and people where these doctors are going
to get their licenses. They're forced to memorize the things that these people have put into place,
which still might not be the best way to handle the situation, but it's because they haven't
benefited from it. So my question to Angela is then the path forward, how do you do peer review? So how do you know what the truth is? You would think because you're mentioning not one size fits all because it's a complex dynamic system, so to speak, and there's epigenetic factors.
How do you navigate even that space to know what is truth and what isn't truth?
So it's so much even deeper than
that so with peer review your peers aren't going to dog on a paper because then they're going to
be dogged on in the future so it's you scratch my back i'll scratch yours right secondly journals
journals won't publish something that is against the common narrative or the journals will get shit on. Journals are primarily funded by pharma.
They have to only accept projects that they know they're going to be able to publish.
Because if we mandated that if you receive government money, you have to publish the
outcomes no matter what they are, screw the journals.
We'll have a public depository repository online where they have to publish the outcomes
regardless.
Well, maybe then they can count as publish or perish, but maybe they won't think
that that's prestigious enough. But when they accept money to do a project, they're only allowed
to publish if it goes in the right direction. So you have researchers who are loathe to pick up
projects that they know may not come out the way that the narrative wants it to come out.
So that kind of makes you more depressed about them, understanding history and the politics.
Correct.
We can't even get the science.
Health and science have been taken over by politics and corruption.
science have been taken over by politics and corruption. So what was the political order like
before the Rockefellers infiltrated this space? What was the politics like before that?
So I wanted to jump in there and talk about walking back towards history,
because maybe part of the answer is in some medical communism. And before the Rockefellers wooed away practitioners of health care from the Knights Hospitalier
to all of our local hospitals that we have in every city, go look at the names of them.
It's Baptist St. Anthony's.
It's St. Mary's. it's St. Jude's.
And there was a time when our healthcare professionals worked because they saw a
common vision and worked towards a goal of people's health. And they were not
chasing around pieces of the broken mirror, money that was scattered across the ground and being,
you know, led by these Rockefellers or whomever it may be.
Could you argue too, it's more or less a decentralization, it moved to centralization,
and what we're seeing now is a decentralization, but it looks like a self-organizing collective
that's somewhat chaotic now because you don't know who the truth-tellers are at this point in time. Yes, and I'm even going to complicate it further because
in the United States, where we at least had, again, a for-profit model, right,
there was innovation. Where in Europe, where it was socialized, not only is there not innovation, innovation is not allowed.
My sweet cousin from Denmark was married to a medical doctor and her husband learned all kinds of awesome things in medical school about alternative therapies and and different things.
But when he got
out, they would not let him use any of that in practice. You have to stick to this. You have to,
you know, get through so many patients a day. You have to keep costs down, keep this, keep that,
keep the other thing. So he wasn't able to implement all the things that he was passionate
about that he learned. Well, in the US, if you found an area that he was passionate about that he learned. Well, in the U.S., if you found an area that you were passionate about
and you could figure out how to get it funded, you could do it.
So we had advances in health that other countries didn't experience in similar ways,
which is why people came here for new surgical techniques, procedures,
medical diagnostic tools and things.
And now we're slipping backwards with them.
But I was saying, could you see then, this gets back to this idea of conspiracies and so forth,
that at the local level, you could use common sense.
And I use common sense to the standpoint, like farmers, when you plant something, it doesn't
work. You know, it doesn't work. In the case of like the centralized systems, they prescribe one
size fits all with pills and so forth. And no, because they'll lose their license, right? In
order to be a doctor in the United States, you have to have a medical license, right? And who
has been running the medical schools and the medical licenses?
The Rockefellers with their money, right?
The whole, when we say Rockefellers took over, right?
It's not that, you know, freaking John D woke up one day and was like, oh, I think I'll
do this, right?
The problem was, is they had a byproduct of oil, right?
And they realized, oh shit, we could use that byproduct
and put it into all these drugs and this different medical shit, and we'd make more profit on it.
So the whole basis of our medical system is John D trying to use the byproduct of oil
in our medical system, no matter if it was good for us or not. And that's why they had to
almost criminalize the quote unquote woo medicine of like how the entire earth has been run with
herbs and berries and like all this other shit that was really effective. Look at Chinese medicine,
right? That's why we don't have it in our country is because it's not it doesn't adhere to
the american medical well well you know you do bring up a good point because they use a centralized
system and people think that they've been seeing their doctor but technically you've been seeing
their insurance carrier and whatever benefits the doctor most in most circumstances but it's like a
centralized system i forget it's like it's the acronym was like cdss or something but it's like a centralized system. I forget. It's like, it's the acronym
was like CDSS or something, but it's, it's interesting. So you go to your doctor, you
actually think that you're picking his brain for knowledge or whatever, but technically
if your insurance doesn't cover certain treatments, when he, that's, that's usually what your
doctor is doing before he comes to see you, right? He already knows you've already told
the nurse, like why you're there. He he already has he already has a working idea of what the treatment and outcome and prognosis already is before he sits down for
his 15 minutes with you and then it's it's done by an algorithm it's been i mean ai has been used
in medical for 45 35 years it's you know what i mean it's not for your outcome though it's for
the profit it's i don't want to say profits, but it's for it's to reduce the costs essentially on their end and just shove, you know, shove the shit to the patient. And it's it's a bad system. It really is.
quality doctor right they're gonna sit there and be like listen i'm not allowed to tell you this
but this is how what i would do if i were in that situation right they're not actually telling you
not to like follow the protocol but like they're they're severely hinting at the fact like
yo this is fucked up i don't know if i would do this if i were you kind of and those are likely
doctors who are close to retirement and don't give a shit anymore because they're going to lose their job.
Yeah.
So we're calling bullshit tonight.
Welcome, everybody.
So, right, where I'm going to call bullshit on this is on credentialism more broadly, like just to expand the topic.
I'll give another example. The worst fucking lawyers by far that I have ever hired were all from the Ivy League.
Every single like I'm telling you that of the 10 worst lawyers like who have done the fucking absolute worst job representing me on whatever I hired them for.
All 10 came from the most, quote unquote, prestigious university.
And the credentialism is really the enforcement mechanism for a lot of this stuff.
So for doctors, it's the AMA and your pharma reps and the insurance companies. But really, most of these programs start with
a general acceptance of like that enforcement level, right?
Which is like, oh, well, you know,
we have to do things only this way,
look at them only this way in order to do it.
And what they figured out is the time you weed people out
is before they get accepted into the better program like the the
bigger programs in order to maintain like the control over the credentials so that's what i'm
calling i agree i agree with you a little bit right but there's a there's a difference though
like i understand what you're saying with credentialing but on the on the uh opposite
side that system that i was just talking about even i think it's interesting what the other person said about the
doctor maybe just saying you know hey you know i'm not supposed to tell you this um but the way
that it actually works is that the doctor like he's not going to give you a treatment that you
can't afford right so that's i don't think people really bullshit no i i don't think that people understand that there's medicine are you kidding a doctor wouldn't give you a treatment you can't afford right so that's i don't think people really that's bullshit no i i don't think that people understand that there's medicine are you kidding a doctor wouldn't give you a treatment
you can't afford okay so if you go to the doctor and you have like a broken leg right like that's
a different story but let's say that there are multiple different modes of treatment for a
condition that you have say it's a skin rash right but your your insurance carrier doesn't
cover a certain medicine that may actually be
better effective at your rash my question for you is how many people have you know 30 or 40 or 50
thousand dollars laying around their house that they're willing to park no that's what i mean like
so the credentialing is a problem right but it really the pressure i think on the doctors is
coming from their payments at the end of the day, you've got to remember, they owe student loans more than likely a crap ton of money.
Right. So there's like that financial interest.
Absolutely not. The pressure from the doctors is coming from the credentialing.
He's absolutely right. They will not do anything that will cost them their license.
Like, where are you getting your facts from?
No, I actually don't think you guys are all that far
apart like well right the the point is this right in order to maintain the credential
right often you're steered to more expensive treatments and right there again this gets to
why we had that why they had to ban right and and claim that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and Z-Pak had no therapeutic benefit wasn't because it didn't have any therapeutic benefit.
It's because otherwise they couldn't get the emergency use authorization necessary to start jabbing everybody like all at once.
Correct.
And in that, the hydroxychloroquine was what
ten dollars and the uh other treatments that they leaned into were thousands of dollars thousands of
dollars but in this case the government was playing a running scam and was reimbursing the hospital's higher rates for a diagnosis of COVID using a fraudulent PCR test with crazy false positives.
And putting you on a ventilator and using remdesivir.
And oops, if you died, they got another bonus.
It was close to $100,000 if they could get you,
diagnosed, and run through their COVID protocol.
I mean, honestly, it was incentivized murder.
It's insane.
And Dr. Angie, remdesivir was the most toxic.
That was me, Matt.
We've asked you to stop, but you didn't, so.
Sorry. Go ahead, Matt. We've asked you to stop, but you didn't. So sorry. So, right. The point is, oftentimes, and another giveaway on this, right, especially with medicine, is that isn't it funny that right when the patents expire, there's always a new and improved drug that costs way more money
that they start like that all the doctors suddenly start pushing i'm sure that's just
like the that we have been using people successfully like that we've been treating
people with successfully for 20 years while we while the patent was active now that the the
patents opened up and everybody can make it and the price
goes way down, all of a sudden that's no longer the primary treatment, but they always seem to
just have something that's a little, that they claim is a little better. And I'll tell you what's
even worse. If we actually finally get a product off the market here, because, well, it was killing and maiming people, I'll tell you one.
It was the DPT vaccine, the diphtheria pertussis tetanus.
My daughter was injured by it 34 years ago.
And six months after her injury, they took it off the market and replaced it with DTaP, right?
The diphtheria tetanus acellular pertussis, which now they're learning isn't effective anymore.
They're actually talking about
going back to the original, more
harmful DPT. Meanwhile,
with the extra supply
and whatnot, Gates and Gabby
have been distributing them around
the world to
poor countries where they just can't afford
good health care, and he's been killing
kids over there. So, there's that.
And they want to depopulate
those countries. And Dustin, can I bring it back to your topic?
Hey, Dustin, hold on one second.
Jesus Christ.
Go ahead, Judd. I can't add
Ryan. Like, can everyone just
stop doing that?
Trying to add Ryan, I
can't add anybody so is it bodies Jen I can jump down
no you're fine and I
we need to get Augustus to leave
the co-host sorry I was
I was going to call on God
for I didn't realize I was muted
you guys repost the space great discussion
we're calling bullshit.
This is not your usual conspiracy night.
I want to encourage the panel.
The goal is for us to call bullshit on not the things that, like, we all suspect, like, the powers are doing, but on the other side of the spectrum.
Right? So, like, again, we can talk the the bad doctors and the credentials and other
stuff but tonight i wanted to like clean up our own side of the aisle just a little bit and call
bullshit on some of the bad information that exists on the other side so like on health
there are so many quote unquote homeopathic vitamins that really at best don't help and at worst cause all kinds of side health issues.
Right. Like if you're going to the fucking health store and like just starting to take every fucking vitamin that somebody like, oh, I'm taking witch hazel and fucking magic root and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
witch hazel and fucking magic root and blah blah blah blah blah i i i just i see way too often
people like drop themselves down on the negative side not on the like official side which i think
we all agree is bullshit right but there's dangers on the other side and my goal tonight was for us
to like focus in on those other sides when we dive
into this stuff anyway godfroy good to see you brother i haven't talked to you in a while hope
you're well hey uh buddy good good to speak with you as well um interestingly enough my conspiracy
theories on the vaccine um and maybe somebody can disprove me on this, but I, it's my theory that what project Stargate
is, is the operating system for the biodigital convergence. And I can't say for sure whether,
you know, I, I do believe that there was nanotechnology myself in the COVID mRNA vaccines,
there was nanotechnology myself in the COVID mRNA vaccines, but I know this. I know that Project
Stargate is going to be the operating system that's going to be in Larry Allison's new cancer
and other vaccines. I know that would be under a shadow of a doubt. My gut tells me that.
My core beliefs tell me that. I do think that Project Stargate is going to be the operating system for the existing COVID mRNA vaccines.
And I just find it really kind of dark that there was that whistleblower who was mysteriously killed
off not three months before Project Stargate, Suchir Balaji. And I just find the timing of that
very eerie, especially because of Sam Altman's involvement in Project Stargate.
And I don't know, man, I'm just not liking what I'm seeing from the technocratic slave state side of things with Palantir,
with the appointment of Susie Menares, who is an ARPA-H as our CDC director,
RFK telling everybody to use wearable health devices. It's just not looking good,
honestly, and I'm worried that we're slow walking into the technocratic slave state, so I just
wanted to present that theory, and maybe you guys can prove me wrong on that one.
Maybe the nanotech inside the COVID vaccine is something I'd mostly take issue with.
I don't think it was the primary function, although the rollout of the 5G towers, I think you're referencing it as the operating system, I think is actually more spot on than not. So right now, I will say, one of the things I do think is bullshit, though, is like the level at which you would have to operate that kind of nano network.
I'm not sure of the text there, but I'm not sure.
I think it was more designed just to make everybody fucking sick
and more compliant, if I had to guess,
than it was to fully upload us into some kind of transhumanist
fucking hellscape and authoritarian hellscape.
But I don't know.
I lose...
I become more convinced about the transhumanist
upload hellscape becoming reality every day.
Dude, maybe tomorrow night we'll do fucking the Peter Thiel interview.
Where, like, you want to talk...
Whoever fucking told these guys...
So I saw a Peter Thiel interview, I saw an Alex Karp interview.
Like, clearly they're going out and somebody, some fucking idiot in their
party, our team was like, oh, we're getting a lot
of bad publicity. You guys should go out and talk.
Bro, talk about
the fucking Antichrist and saying
it's Gerda Thunberg
and then fucking, dude, shout out to
fucking Duhoff for fucking being like,
I mean, aren't you building
like what the Antichrist would want?
The fact that he fucking literally mumbled, bumbled and stuff.
Like that was one of the biggest train wreck interviews I've ever fucking watched.
So like I'm becoming more and more convinced that the tech, the technocracy authoritarian hellscape is like maybe not something I want to call bullshit on.
Like even close to, fucking run wild.
Say they are as evil as you want
because you're probably not that far off
because I think they're pretty close to as evil
as you could get. You know what I'm saying?
Anyway, Gottfried.
I appreciate it.
I don't know if that was like a...
That answer probably
didn't get there.
Although I think on normal conspiracy night, I'd be all about it.
Because I think you're generally right.
I think the manipulation of our reality by the tech pros is probably one of the biggest threats that we're facing right now.
Yeah, no, that was a great answer, sir.
And the one thing I would just take a little small disagreement with you on, or maybe it's an agreement.
I agree.
They don't have the data and they have the tech.
They just don't have the data yet.
That's why they're racing to build these data centers.
They don't have the energy either.
And that's why there's the rush to get all that energy.
I mean, that one facility in Dubai is 10 square miles man 10 square miles and they're gonna keep building these things
That that's their soul. That's these people's sole mission the elite is
To build out this technocratic slave state system, and I think it's gonna affect world markets in a massive way
So yeah, I but yeah great points. Thank you
Not good stuff and always good to see you.
Listen, Alex, I've seen some of the comments you've been leaving.
I definitely want to kick it to you.
I think Alex is about to drop some heat on maybe the nutrition or vitamin charlatan game.
But I'm not sure, but we'll see.
What's up, Alex? Welcome.
So, guys,
first of all, I want to greet you all.
I'm Alex from Kenya, and
I'm not happy about this system
how it is taking us and
the thing it is doing
each and every day from war,
from biological
weapons,
and from all these kind of stuffs.
People are suffering, people are dying.
And we know very well that we have an escape plan
that the system will not want anyone of you to know about it.
So it's all about what you consume in your life
technologically when you're communicating and what you eat what you wear
also reading what you induce in your mind so
So, for example, currently or these days we are experiencing babies' infant bone cancer,
different type of cancers, because people have been manufacturing these things and use it,
benefiting from it each and every second we breathe.
So what we have to do is that they are trying very hard to destroy humanity and you know it.
So our children nowadays are being taught different kinds of things that will bring us in the future instead of peace coexistence
and we know very well that some people will give out aid when they actually give out diseases
for their benefit so
um it is very hard on my side side i can not even talk well and i pity a lot of americans
a lot of young people there generation because they have a lot of people going around
no no i appreciate so what what you supposed to do We have a lot of evil going around. No, I appreciate your man.
So what we're supposed to do is let's watch everything.
Let's watch what we wear, what we eat, what you do each and every time.
And your medicine is you.
So at the beginning, maybe if god exists when he was creating us
you know what caused the devil to get us very much that human beings given the ability to
think like god and even the figure our body is from christ and
our body is from Christ.
And they know that when we know that what we consume each day
will determine your period of existence, your lifespan,
or even determine the immune system of your generation
to come.
So it's all about the DNA.
They are trying to change it so that it will adapt
to their way of living.
For example, shifting to robotics here,
I'm not against technology, but I feel
like we cannot manipulate it against and use it
against existence of human beings.
So let's take care of each and every stuff we manufacture.
And yeah, it should be good for us.
Thank you, guys.
Now, thank you, Alex.
Have a good day.
Hey, Dustin, was that Alex speaking?
Yeah.
Awesome.
I couldn't tell.
So, you know what I don't understand about the whole transhumanism thing?
Like, they look like the most unhealthy motherfuckers ever when you see them, you know what I'm saying?
Like, I see a bunch of these people who are, like, obsessive almost about, like, like health and extending lifespan and other
and like dude look at peter teal he looked like he was dude huge bags stress lines all over his face like that dude did not look like somebody who's like peaceful in the reality that he's in
he's in. By the way, Ryan, I didn't even
by the way ryan i didn't even recognize you bro with the new profile pic i was like
fucking recognize you, bro, with the new profile
pic. I was like, who's this
Ryan dude? And I'm like,
oh, shit. I didn't even know
it was you.
Welcome, bro.
It's good
to be here.
I know you
run these conspiracy spaces. I know
the last time that I was in here, I
got into an argument with somebody, and I know it was all just something, right? You guys saw that. That's on me. I didn't
read the topic. But no, you know, I have my own conspiracy and I believe in God. I am a Christian,
but I have this theory in my head because we can always question things. When you die, do you really know if you actually are dead?
Do you actually die or do you continue on living the life that you're in and everyone knows that you're not dead?
How about that?
Let me put that out there.
Let me put that question out there for somebody.
Ryan, we had a guy come in here one night
like this a couple years ago and i'm not kidding i fucking trip out about this all the time
who well yeah nobody wants to die you you want to know what the hell happens after the fact and you
you know you praise your lord you praise your god but you never really you read you never really
know until you get there there There is a study, though.
There is a study on that.
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
I want to tell this.
So, guy came in here distraught, right?
I mean, you could hear it in his voice that this dude was fucking distraught.
And I'm usually, like, pretty good in those situations because I'm usually, like, pretty kind.
You know what he was distraught about like when
he finally like opened up and like was able to like get over his like sobbing to tell us
like why it was all fucked up said that he'd blown his braids out the night before and woke up in his
bed like nothing had happened they had committed suicide and woke up and couldn't escape the reality. It only got worse by trying to exit.
That's fucking weird.
Yeah, that's rough.
That's rough.
To hear that, I'm sure you kind of went through something dealing with that.
That is rough.
Yeah, mine was a little lighter than Dustin's, but there was a study that they did.
I was actually, it's a little bit funny, right?
Because they said, I forget what the dose was.
It was 500 milligrams of edible marijuana gummies.
And every member in the research group thought that they had died.
And actually, then the next day they were like refreshed or whatever. So I was just going to make that joke that if you take enough edibles,
everybody swears that they either died or that they're already dead.
But then the next day they wake up and they're like, whoa.
Well, that's the same thing with anything like that.
You know, if you do wax or any of that type of stuff,
that's going to put you in a position where you think that.
I was just putting it out there, you know, and to reaffirm this, you know, I am a Christian.
I believe in God. I believe there's a higher power. I believe that I will go to heaven.
And it's just one of those weird concepts to me where, you know, I've had nightmares before, you know, especially in the last few months following the election, where it's almost like a hallucination.
Like I passed away and I was brought back and I, it's just very weird.
And I've had those questions for a long time.
I'm like, you know, people, it may, it's just very weird. And I've had those questions for a long time. I'm like,
you know, people, it may, it may be conspiracy. It may just be like, you know, the fact I barely
sleep because I'm always on these damn spaces. So about four in the morning nowadays, because I
love them. Um, but I think, you know, and we're all tired, you know, we've worked the 24 election
every, you know, we've all traveled state to state, the people that did it.
Um, but I, I think to myself all the time, I'm like, how do you really know if you're
dead?
Right?
Like, what does that even look like?
And I don't know.
It's just this grand theory, I guess.
Right.
You know, it's all up to whoever's out there, you know, to promote what it looks like
or promote whatever thing they want to promote to say this is how it's like. But you really don't
know until you're there. And I, you know, I think to myself all the time, I'm like, hell, I mean,
am I dead? You know, am I still here? Like, am I alive i alive you know it's just a conspiracy right like i i'm
playing devil's advocate i i don't actually think i'm dead right but i'm just putting that you know
what i mean right right we dustin was asking what what conspiracy theory do you though think has
undermined say whatever you've been proposing like some type of conspiracy theory that's actually
been posed that actually feels undermined positions that you've been trying to push.
Well, I'll say this. Let me say this. The guy who ran the World Trade Centers,
my mother worked there in the 93 bombing. She worked in Seven World Trade. That guy,
there in the 93 bombing. She worked in seven world trade. That guy, coincidentally that day,
his wife booked him a dermatologist appointment and he took out millions of dollars a few years
ago in some type of terrorist insurance, some insurance that if the towers got attacked.
So that's one conspiracy theory that I've, you know, I've not latched onto, but I've looked at it and thought, oh.
Well, so tonight we're doing conspiracy a little different because I'm calling bullshit on stuff, right?
But to write the, I love the question.
And what I love is that everybody's in the mood to talk about something about AI is making all of us question consciousness and reality.
Right. Which obviously leads also includes death and the end.
But one of the things I want to call bullshit on is the idea that hallucinogenics are good for basically anybody.
for basically anybody right so i i hear a bunch of people praising the idea of fucking ayahuasca
and these heavy hallucinogenics as being these this therapeutic journey you're talking about
drugs right yeah right like and listen oh yeah no no yeah. Your boy Dustin may have done some hallucinogens in his time, right?
I'm not above saying that.
I could speak from some experience.
However, right, there's this whole industry that romanticizes the idea of ayahuasca and heavy, heavy, heavy hallucinogens.
and heavy, heavy, heavy hallucinogens. And I would posit by my experience and like the people I've
known that you are a hundred times more likely to come out worse than you are better. Now,
I'm not arguing that there may be specific protocols where taking light hallucinogenics in certain circumstances can help you process
previous traumas. However, I'm not even so sure that's real. I think that's an absolute right.
And again, we're trying to call out the side, not the establishment side, like on the conspiracy side or the, you know, like the non-accepted side of things tonight.
So like one of the things that I'm happy to call out is this idea that taking heavy hallucinogenics puts you on a spirit journey and brings you closer.
you on a spirit journey and brings you closer if if it does it's artificial and people end up
chasing it in ways that are overwhelmingly unhealthy like i said i would posit that you are
almost a hundred times more likely to come out with a negative like impact on your health and
mental well-being than you are to come out somehow revived and like fucking more
spiritual yeah especially if you have any sort of like issues any sort of issues in your life right
like imagine being like a homeless person you go out on an ayahuasca trip and then you're back to
reality and you're like oh yeah i'm homeless like there definitely has to be some negative
psychological ramifications of
returning back to the real world
in a distressed environment.
That's how I've always looked at it.
But I wanted to bring up to you, Dustin...
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
This is a landmark moment.
Kim has called bullshit
on my anti-hallucinogen
stance,
and we are going to fucking Kim after that.
We got to.
Wait, so you want people on drugs, Kim?
You want people on drugs?
I don't know what the fuck they're doing, Kim.
They don't know what the fuck they're doing.
She wants them on orchids.
I think that they need to study it.
I think that there are some very important health benefits in this area that
we have not been allowed to explore and that there needs to be more research
done.
I will say what's,
what's that shit the Indians used to do?
What was that?
That's the ayahuasca stuff, right?
And that's...
Peyote.
I mean, that stuff, I don't know what that does to you.
I've never done it.
I've never done any of that, but I'd be curious.
Someone just DM'd me that they ended up homeless because of the drugs.
And I was just cracking up.
So, A kind of cracks me up.
I will say this.
There have been a couple of, like, earlier in my life,
there were a couple of hallucinogenic experiences
that definitely helped make me more empathetic and helped me, like, I became much less rough
that definitely helped make me more empathetic.
around the edges as far as how I judged other people. Like, I will say, and the two experiences
I had in particular, both involved, I think, mushrooms and some kind of MDMA that definitely made me more empathetic.
With that said, I've also watched people absolutely...
Hell, I can do that with alcohol. I don't need a drink.
I think that, again...
I'm saying at a fundamental level, for sure.
I think that... Do I think that everybody should run out there and do ayahuasca?
Absolutely not.
Am I ever going to do ayahuasca?
Absolutely not.
I'm not doing anything that makes me throw up, first of all.
OK, I'm also not doing anything that, like, makes me lose my facilities for 24 hours.
OK, I'm a surface kind of party girl.
Like if I'm going to do a drug, it's going to be to have a good time,
not to like see God.
All right.
But I do think that we have not studied enough.
And it goes back to the homeopathic, right? Like I feel like the psychedelics with the mushrooms,
the MDMA and all that kind of stuff,
that there are things that could take humanity to another level that we have not explored.
I'm going to get in fucking trouble in this one.
I'm going to get in.
That's what we got SpaceX for, Kimberly.
We're going to get on the rockets.
Probably a little bit easier to eat some mushrooms than it is to get on a rocket.
I was just thinking that.
I knew someone's response was going to be that
way dustin just a quick question when that guy came on your space and by the way um an account
called circle of life just liked one of my posts i find very synchronistic but when that guy came on
did he uh did he say he like literally did he like ascend and then wake up in the morning or
is it like he like blacked out and then woke up the next day yeah it almost it almost sounds like
the guy went through a hallucinogenic state in a way because i i what what well no and listen i
probed him like on it Like, were you taking drugs?
Like, he had reached a point of just absolute desperation, right?
And specifically something, part of what's bugged me about it is that he believed that he was, like, on this earth as a punishment.
Like, this was, for him, a prison planet existence.
And he very specifically tried to take his life, and did, and then woke up the next morning
and everything continued.
His sentence wasn't over.
Like, you don't get to check out before you're supposed to leave type deal.
And it sounds, normally I would just, but.
That's scary. That's scary.
But you could tell when somebody's, like, genuinely distraught.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, it did feel like he was up here LARPing in order to get a reaction. Like, he was genuinely, like, fucking worked up and distraught in a way that was, like, creepy. And then very specific about, like, right, I took a bunch of pills and I pulled the gun up and then, right, I feel like I knew I had died and then i just woke up like nothing had happened and
i i don't know i i've been kicking around this thought that like some of us are in this reality
for different reasons right some of us are playing this reality as like we get to play
the hero game or the builder
game or the creative game
or right but some
people are definitely fucking here
just who are here to be
punished I don't know I often
like you want to talk about
I see some of these like crazy
crackhead homeless people you know what I'm saying
and like how the like do I Talk about, I see some of these like crazy crackhead homeless people, you know what I'm saying?
And like, how the, like, do I hear about people dying from like weak shit all the time?
And yeah, we got fucking crackheads out here, like fucking, you know, in their 40s, still fucking, all they do is fucking smoke crack and fucking wander around like fucking homeless all the time. Well, is it with the drugs? So going back to the psychedelic drugs, right?
It's not necessarily the substance that you're ingesting.
It's your brain releasing stuff to combat the substance that you've ingested.
So we carry these things, the ability to go to that trip or that next level, okay, in our brains.
And so maybe sometimes it malfunctions, right?
We get mental illnesses. We get like the feeling of wanting to kill ourselves, those things,
just like deja vu, right? Where it's a feeling that something has happened before, when really
it could just be like a leaky chemical in your brain that makes you feel like you've done it
before. So again, we just haven't explored enough. And I think that we've really done ourselves a disservice by that.
Dustin, a question for you. You believe in consciousness and we have consciousness. We're
aware of each other. We communicate with each other. Sometimes when I think of this story that
you're, or I hear these stories I think something
was conscious of him that did not
want to let him go
and I think
sometimes that has to be something
magnitudes more powerful
the earth is conscious
inanimate things are
conscious gravity is conscious and there was a
gravity that held him
in the game
you know I'll say this you know because gravity is conscious, and there was a gravity that held him in the game. Can I –
You know, I'll say this, you know, because it all makes sense.
What Lucas just said, and Lucas, I think you're on point with that.
I think it's part of your brain.
But then I also know that for myself, being the chairman of Students for Trump,
working close to the administration being an advisor to
the president uh i have credible death threats on my life that the fbi is investigating from iran
uh so i'm i'm afraid of the idea of a sniper coming in my backyard uh and shooting me through
a window right i i'm afraid of the idea of anything like that happening. But then I think to myself,
I'm like, what does it look like in the afterlife? If you know what I mean? What does that look like?
Do you really die or do you just, does it never happen? You know what I mean?
Can I tell a story to relate to us into what Lucas just said? I was driving today to give you
a personal experience on this. And there was an old man on the road who basically looked like he had a broken back.
He looked and I, the couple of cars went right by him and he was looking at him
because he was, he was, he looked like he was going to have a heart attack.
I'm going to jump guys. I'll see you soon.
And he, and basically all the cars drove by him and i drove by him and he looked at me and he looked
like he was in panic and he we made contact and the other cars didn't what didn't i but i was like
i need to go back and see if this guy's all right and you ask the question of like the person who's
in kensington avenue all these drug addicts you they exist, but what's their purpose? I don't know,
like you said, are they an MPC that's just basically there to die because something's
happened in their lives? Anyway, I stopped. I went back and I said, are you all right? He said,
no, I'm not all right. I said, I need to get home. I got in my car, I drove him, and in the car ride,
he told me his story. But it was one of these things that he was telling me a story about the
fact that he had broken his back, he had gotten on prescription drugs, and he had gotten addicted
to drugs, and he was essentially disability now. But he was just, but he wanted to tell a story to me.
He wanted to tell his whole life story.
So he had life, but you could tell when I dropped him off, he was going back into this
NPC existence where I don't know what purpose he truly has.
You know, there's this weird coexistence that we have that he could have died on the side of the road, but he was
reaching out. Everybody was driving by and they saw they was panicking. But whatever reason, I went
back and he wanted to tell me a story. It's like this. And the ironic thing, I'm taking care of a
kitten right now that was left by its mother and nursing it back to health.
It's like all this life out there seems to, like, want to live, but it's dependent upon being around in a community and a family or whatever
that you feel this sense of vitality to want to live and and i i can't explain it but uh that
happened today with me don did it feel like he wanted to like warn you or something no because
i i told him i said you know you looked at me and he looked panicked. And I said, if you hadn't looked at me like you did, because he was trying to get my
attention, I wouldn't have stopped, you know, but he, he was reaching out for help and all the
other cars were gone by. And I was just, and I, it shocked me. And I was about three and I was
going to go by and I was like, fuck, he looked at me and I was like, I got to go back. You know,
so he, the fact that he looked at me is like, like, I got to go back. You know, so the fact that he looked
at me is like, if I go by and this guy has a heart attack, then I feel kind of guilty that this guy
died on the side of the road and I didn't do anything to stop it, you know? So, but others
seemed, it's, others drove by it. It's, and I can't, if you, if you're in Kensington Avenue,
you drive by all those people, right? that say about us you know how did like
they're humans it's it's somehow they're just allowing to just sit there and die well listen
there is no out there's no fucking responsibility for any of those you can't go fix them if you wanted to you can't right at some level right
you there's literally for a lot of these people there's nothing you can do um and i'm there with
you i i don't know which ones you know how do you i i it's it's very uh uh yeah it's depressing
but dustin you i'd say you're the it say maybe that's not the question. And the NPCs serve as something that causes us to take different directions in our lives. Because as you say that, I know that you see change in the world politically, religiously, and you constantly work towards that goal.
Don, as you tell this story, I think of the word addict. We always say this word addict.
Addict comes to us from the British who are reaching back to the Romans. And it was the
upper class who, when they had some Lord's boy started smoking opium and couldn't pay his rent,
he wasn't allowed to vote anymore so he
was without a voice and if we're running away from classified society and and where you are the
the landed aristocracy and we have one person one voice then then you know reaching out to that and
at least trying to give him addiction is part of the answer.
So I had like literally like a 10-minute drive.
And he told me he did LSD as a 10-year-old.
And that, you know, he tried heroin.
And then when he got his back injury, he became addicted to it.
And it's just, this was in a 10-minute span.
I get to know this guy and his backstory and like, you know,
trying to figure out like,
how does this guy be productive or just goes back into the house?
And then what is his purpose to the point?
How is he going to help society move forward and create a better future?
Well, listen, like not for me to decide, right?
I am not the divine architect. i i don't know what purpose
like different people are and it's it's not up for me to like try to even figure it out
i also though i am one of those people that people literally spill their guts to
fucking randomly all the time like for whatever reason uh i also i could not tell you why but i am seriously that guy that
people will like tell like all of their darkest secrets to like within 10 minutes of meeting
hence the space dustin um and i don't usually know what the fuck I'm supposed to tell these people. that we could construct anything close to what what what we are experiencing and that we're
promised that that's not all this is like all of us cannot right like it's it's not hard for me
to take myself and be like you know what this is this is awesome and all but i i i i'm not afraid
of like that i don't know exactly what's coming because guess what i
don't know what the fuck's coming in this reality you know what i'm saying like i i hear people
being like oh my god what happens to us when we die dude i don't know what's gonna happen to me
two weeks from now like maybe the government's gonna fucking kick my door in again and fucking
right like take my bank accounts away or maybe i'm going to fucking kick my door in again and fucking take my bank accounts away.
Or maybe I'm going to fucking build the next fucking great, super fucking cool thing and be fucking running all over the world.
Like, I don't know what's going to happen day to day in this reality.
But Dustin, here's the thing. If I'm one of those people in those elitist institutions looking at, say, how the world should be constructed, I probably would have looked at that person as a useless eater and should be part of a deep. created whatever these Bilderberg groups and trying to understand if you look at it like
So, of course, I don't know what's going to happen after I fucking die. But Dustin, here's the thing.
all these people like you're saying Kensington Avenue and they're just MPCs with no purpose and
they're just addicted to drugs and they should die you can start to like rationalize perhaps
the positions they have because if you say there's no way to help these people out of the current
situations well there is one that then they have it If you're godless, like that's the thing. It's a godless point of view. The whole, I think
a lot of time people who are in really destitute situations, especially in like your own experience
are to let you sit there and be grateful to God and let you know that, you know, you're not far,
you're not so far away from being him. A little decisions here there and you're him and so there but for the grace yep sometimes sitting there and
being thankful for what you have because someone else is kind of just a walking warning and also
showing that person humanity is sometimes I feel like your spiritual job to just sit there and be
like sit in it.
And then it also makes you be like, man, we really need a savior.
I can't wait till things are set straight in this universe because, man, the suffering and the pain
and all the things you see people go through and that helplessness.
It's like, yeah, I'm not the savior for sure because there's a lot of people around who think they are.
I'm not the savior for sure because there's a lot of people around who think they are.
Yeah, and again, this gets to the whole transhumanism is fucking the weirdest thing ever to me
because it just, it requires a level of like baseline stupidity in my opinion.
And arrogance.
Right.
Yeah, arrogant stupidity.
Like, oh, if I could just construct everything, it would be so much better.
Like, dude, we've seen what Facebook looks like.
But Dustin, I would argue they've done that even with the vaccine program.
Our way is better.
We can make it better.
The human body is dumb.
I'm telling you they're destroying the human body
I'm telling you, they're destroying the human body with their arrogance.
with their arrogance
I also
I also
take the extreme on this
not going to lie
one of Dustin extremist
positions for sure
is that
Elon talking about bringing people's
hearing back or giving the
paralyzed the ability to move again
to be honest I even feel like that about bringing people's hearing back or giving the paralyzed the ability to move again.
To be honest, I even feel like that is maybe stretching it. Now, if I was in that situation,
would I want to figure out how to get my movement back and other stuff? Yes.
Huge difference when you're talking choice and disability or cancer or life-threatening circumstance than when you're talking a viably healthy human being or a pregnant woman and you're going to inject her with shit just because you can.
Yeah, or we're going to eliminate people with Down syndrome in the womb, right? Or we're going to modify them out.
to modify them out when i'm not gonna lie i know several families with downs kids that
it radically improved like their existence usually within the family they always say they're a
blessing but without those motherfuckers are always so happy yeah right that's my point right like
Right.
That's my point.
I should say always, because I think that downplays the harshness that everybody has to go through.
But this is what I keep saying.
I keep saying this in the AI spaces, which is if we got everything we wanted all the time, our existence would suck.
It would be meaningless.
That if
it was up to us to choose
and we
protected ourselves from all
adversity and everything else,
we would
choose extremely
comfortable, terrible, awful,
boring lives, in my opinion.
You know what I mean like there's certain
things that we should run from i would say like the reason like we have like the transhumanism
thing and and a lot of these other things is because like rich people get bored right and
and i've been around a lot of like really really rich people who like never have to worry about like paying a bill or
doing anything for their lives their kids lives right and when you get to that certain level of
wealth right and comfortableness you start to kind of like i don't know like go towards the
weirdness because you're looking for what usual people strive for in life that you don't have to strive for and I think
that's how we get the transhumanist
shit is because like they're kind
of bored and they're like dabbling
into some shit you shouldn't like I don't
know if you were talking about the Peter Thiel
interview but like there was literally
a point at that thing where I think
he even questioned himself for a second he's like
wait am I the antichrist
like whoa it was fucked up where I think he even questioned himself for a second. He's like, wait, am I the Antichrist? Like, whoa.
He was fucked up.
Well, hey, Jen, you go back to the turn of the century
with transcendental meditation, right?
You got the Hare Krishnas.
You got the, what is it, the Scientologists,
so on and so forth.
So, you know, you're absolutely right.
The hedonism and everything else, you know.
So the boredom, you know, idle hands are the devil's workshop.
Well, that's why.
And if you have idle hands and money, you got a big problem.
Yeah, well, that's why what Don was saying, where it's like, it's crazy to me that people who are super wealthy, who sit around and go, I'm bored, don't dive into the suffering parts of humanity.
don't dive into the suffering parts of humanity.
Like, if you sit there and you, and you, if I had a billion dollars,
I can't imagine not just picking up as many people as I thought, you know,
like, obviously there'd be some type of process I feel like that I would develop slowly
and I would get taken advantage of a lot, but I would try to pick people up, right?
Like giving people hands up living
to defend that's just it volunteer yes well hold on there's also a part of this right where rich
people have gotten absolutely screwed and sued and tattooed when they have tried to help people
right and i think that there's like also a level of like, when you reach that
level of wealth, right. A, it kind of like makes you feel bad and you don't want to have those
feelings. Right. Like you don't want like, like the empathy is not there in a way that it is like
when you know what that's like to feel like that. Right. And also I feel like they just,
like to feel like that. Right. And also I feel like they just,
I think, Jen, to your point, I think they,
they fall prey to credentialism.
I think what's happened is you've had this dichotomy that's happened.
I think actually Charles Murray articulates it in coming apart,
but there's a difference between wealth and, and, you know,
wealth that is just there generational wealth.
So there is a difference there. And I think that is just there, generational wealth. So there is a difference there.
And I think the more guarded wealth, the old wealth,
are more guarded because they know...
Can I make the distinction?
All right, hold on, you guys.
Everybody jumping in, I'm starting to lose patience.
So let's keep it somewhat orderly.
So just because when everybody's talking over
each other just makes the makes my brain hurt. Um, I will add this. It's one thing to say,
I would go lift people up. The thing I'll tell you from my experience is,
if you want to make somebody hate you give them what they think they
want right because the and this was what I was saying too about like you really can't right like
if you think you could just go to fucking Skid Row and fix those people you are in for a harsh wake-up call that it's not up to you, and you can't throw
money at it. You can't give them what you think would make their lives better, because, like,
ultimately, they're on a completely different path and journey. And so, like, right, I feel like a
lot of times we just say, like, oh, well, if we go after, like, these people, like, we should, we, they should be doing more to help.
When people try, I'm telling you, give people, every time I've ever helped somebody achieve what they told me that they were, that they wanted, like, I actually, like actually like delivered it those people ended up resenting
me in like big ways and especially with addicts that like our skid rode out there is until they
listen to any program or any drug counselor everybody you, like, you as the outsider,
it has to come from within them, the desire to change.
And until that happens, like, they're not going to.
And so I feel like a lot of times, like,
we process what people are doing.
You do what you were supposed to do
and follow the path that you're supposed to do.
And ultimately, you'll end up helping all kinds of people.
But those people will present themselves to you.
And part of that might be to teach you to tone it down a little bit, humble yourself.
Because you don't know what it would take and we often can't relate to the
experiences of other people yeah yeah my mom I'm sorry yeah just cuz this is
going let's go I wasn't trying to say like what's called I'm the person who
could figure out all the stuff I'm saying like that's why I said I think
there'd be like a vetting process because there's some people who just
need hand ups handouts or what I think destroy people.
And addicts are one of the hardest people to hand up.
You know what I mean?
Because a lot of times their whole nature is to take advantage of people.
But a mother who's living in her car because she lost her house to some storm or something like that who was previously good.
You know what I mean?
It just seems like to me at least if I think about it that one of the things and that's what businesses are a lot of times i think a lot
of times people are so blessed with uh business mindset that a lot of times they end up creating
something that helps people and then they even make more money so like it's it's it's also though
listen i i know a lot of rich people right right, who do things like you're talking about, like give people legs up, like give them internships who will never talk about it.
And I think a lot of times we just see like the really shitty side of society.
But and like, listen, when you do stuff for people, you're not supposed to be braggadocious about it.
Like if you give somebody ten dollars on the street, you shouldn't be making a YouTube video. Oh, absolutely. Like God's the one who's supposed to see itggadocious about it like if you give somebody ten dollars on the street you shouldn't be making a youtube video oh absolutely like god's the one who's supposed to see it not
the world right so i i think like unless they're braggadocious i think a lot of times some of the
work that they do do does go overlooked yeah there's and what's it called the being that's
the whole thing i'm not a communist just because someone's rich doesn't mean they're evil or something like that.
It's just that you, like the people who you do see who are like, oh, you know, I need to change the world.
There are people who get really into hedonism.
You're like, man, if they could just twist that into helping people, I think they would feel happier too because of the connection.
of the connection. But I think sometimes because people take advantage of them or they get hurt
and they, or, you know, like the things that do happen with rich people, which is a lot of times
people are just kind of there to be a parasite on you. I think they get away from that. And then
sometimes I think they learn, you know, that human nature is kind of disgusting and that,
And that, you know, then they're like, oh, I don't even know if I like people.
you know, then they're like, Oh, I don't even know if I like people.
Not not to get too far away from conspiracy.
Right.
But I've come to the conclusion that in order to attain a certain level of wealth and publicity in this world, you have to sell your soul to the devil.
And there's nothing you can do to convince me otherwise. So I think a lot of these people who do attain that
level of wealth and notoriety are soulless, to be honest. Hey, Jen, I wanted to add real quick.
So when you look back at generational wealth versus earned wealth, the guys that earned the
wealth, the Henry Fords, the Edisons, the Rockefellers and all that, they set up the Kelloggs, you know, they set up their foundations
originally, you know, to benefit, you know, targeted poor individuals and to try to make
a difference, you know, philanthropy wise, you know, with an honest approach to that. Now,
you fast forward and you take a look at what the Ford Foundation was originally intended to be set up for
and to benefit to what it's doing today, you know, because why did the Marxists flock to these NGOs and to these foundations?
Because they're not scrutinized, and that's where the money is.
scrutinized and that's where the money is and they and now you know they've been infiltrated by these
marxist type things to where they're supporting you know marxist ideals and and different
organizations and stuff that weren't the original intention if kellogg and ford could come back and
take a look at how their foundations are being managed today they would they would uh they would
abolish them immediately they would restart them so
suddenly you know there's one word and i maybe hate this word because i have trouble pronouncing
it dustin will laugh at me right but philanthropy okay got it okay that okay can we just like talk
about how much that is bullshit and that is just a rich person trying to put a label on the good like work
that they should be doing because honestly the philanthropy i've seen in the world is like these
these rich people who go to these dinners where you're paying 25 35 45 100 250 000 dollars why
are we doing this why are we doing this like like are we doing this? Straight up,
we are looped.
Again, this idea that all rich people
are doing things.
It's all right.
Again, we can find bad examples
and good examples.
I don't understand what the hell
we're talking about here.
Can I take us back to Dark Enlightenment?
I have a bunch of calls I have to do with asia so i'm gonna let
everybody like give final statements keep them pretty quick i really do have to do calls with
some people in asia so we're gonna go fairly quickly through all the hands it's been a great
discussion i'm sorry to shut down the like the general conversation i just i get frustrated because again like looping in this
idea that everybody who does philanthropy is bad or every fucking rich person is not just i just i
feel like we're looping in a big chunk of people some do it well some do it terribly and most
people are somewhere in the middle right well by your your actions, you are known, right?
You know, so it's the actions.
And I will just say this.
You know, I've worked with an executive that, you know, came from nothing.
You know, Pennsylvania, you know, a poor farm kid, you know, rose up to be the CEO of one of the largest convenience stores in the world.
Set up a foundation to help others called Education is Freedom.
And, you know, he's committed to it. You know, believed in it, you know, I mean, this guy is wealthy beyond measure,
you know, and he was, you know, basically, it was his way of giving back. So I think by your actions,
you are known by your deeds, you are known. And that's what at the end of the day, when we're all
judged, with in the when they go up and St. Peter, or whomever meets you at the gates of heaven pulls out the book of
life and looks at what your actions are you know just try to put more deposits on the positive
side of the balance sheet versus the liability side god bless you all thanks man good to see
you so much Amy go ahead hey um there's been so much in this conversation that was good that I wanted to chime in on.
But what you guys are pointing to is helping people in the form of giving them what they need is enabling.
You are robbing them of the opportunity to learn and grow and be independent, which keeps them dependent.
And if you depend upon controlling others, then you want them dependent on you.
So there's the philanthropy for the people that have a lot of money and the people that have a
lot of money are bored and don't have the struggle that we have. And as a result of that, that is a
limitation of theirs because they don't have anything to seek for. They're not challenged.
And in being challenged is how we grow, not only to be more independent and deal with our human condition and shed our biases and deal with our emotions, but our cognition improves.
Our awareness improves.
And that is the expansion of consciousness.
And that is why they don't think about other people, because they haven't developed a meta self-awareness or a meta meta self-awareness to perceive themselves in the system that they're interacting in.
And then the transhumanist stuff, I have an interesting take on that.
I kind of think that all of it is kind of a soft disclosure because maybe we've always been transhumanist.
we've always been transhumanist. And if you think about, you know, spirituality and all these ancient
ideas, and any anything that's kind of esoteric, can fit into that. And so, you know, and same
with kind of the idea of going to Mars and becoming interplanetary, I think of all these
different dimensions as different layers and levels of consciousness. And I think we're moving from a binary dualistic
way of thinking to encompass both of them. And if you don't become non-dual or becoming non-dual
rather is to inhabit both of them and to be able to perceive the self and the other, to perceive
the left and the right at the same time, to perceive that we
have focused on health care. And in focusing on health care, we actually focused on disease.
We focus on the disc part of disease. And so we treat the symptoms. And in treating the symptoms,
we're treatment focused. And I don't think that that's necessarily evil per se. And I'll just say one
more thing. But if you think about like back in the day, you're not going to go to a shaman for
optimized health. You're going to go in some things wrong. And so our systems are built on a
specific way that we chose to build them with our linear cognition that was more primitive. We
couldn't see as much as we could now, especially with the data that we have after living through these times.
I think we're kind of reaching the end point of our linear cognition, and we've maxed out how we've done things,
and we've become so specialized that people can't get out of their own way.
But all of our models are kind of built on suboptimal foundations and linear
foundations, and there's errors built into our foundations. And so, pendulum's swinging back
the other way. We're going to pick up the crumbs that we missed along the way, and then we have to
walk the path in the opposite direction, and we're going to see all kinds of different things. And so,
a lot of the solutions for the problems that we have today are completely counterintuitive because it's the exact opposite of what we're taught and how we understand things.
And so if you want to, like, get into things, think of the opposite of what we're taught.
And you guys were talking a lot about that.
A lot of, you know, what everyone in here has seemed to realize is exactly that.
You know, whatever we're being told, think of the opposite,
but there's solutions there. And so I'll just land it there with all that. Thank you.
No, I, I, let's say I can appreciate that. I actually am ridiculously optimistic about the
future, right? Like I, I, I have lots of frustrations about a lot of different things, right? I would like to see us having more productive conversations. And I feel we get stuck in these loops. But I also, the whole point of tonight, Skeptic Night, is specifically that it's an oversimplification to say, whatever we've told, we should accept whatever the opposite is.
No, that's not a soundbite.
No, no, no, I wasn't attributing.
Oh, okay. Sorry.
When I finished the point, it'll make sense, which is that I think we've all come to accept,
at least all the people who are in this room,
the people I interact with mostly on a regular basis,
that essentially everything has been built around lies.
Academia, news, like government interactions, monetary,
like pick something, legal code.
It's all based on, like you said, flawed premises, like at the foundation.
I think there's an innocence there in a way.
And so it's like we had to choose.
We had to pick somewhere to start.
And no matter where we started, we would we would have emergent errors based on the limitations of our understanding at the time.
And so now we've collected a lot of data.
And so there is a lot of asymmetries,
which is incoherence, which is errors.
And so the solutions require a complete flip-flopping.
This is the pole shift.
The pole is shifting.
We have to flip-flop how we do things.
And that's really difficult,
but that also speaks to the notion
of being trapped by the matrix.
We're trapped by
the fact that we've thought about things in one direction and we've built everything
in that direction. And now we have to turn it upside down. Like that's easier said than done,
but to speak, to add one more thing to the notion of like how to fix things, consider that, you know,
to the notion of like how to fix things,
consider that consciousness might be fundamental
to this space-time reality.
And if that's the case,
the people like us who have developed
a more expanded cognition
are more agentic with our signal.
If your signal is coherent,
that is how we override what's going on.
That is what is happening in the background.
We are the puppeteers of the puppets that run the show.
And that might be hard to believe, but I can't unsee it because it's kind of what emerges from my awareness and pattern recognition.
That's not an idea that anyone said to me or anyone told me, but it's just what arises out of paying attention and error correcting along the way.
Hey, Dustin, with your Asian calls, we hope that you come back with some Buddhist meditations for your next phases.
Oh, fuck no, bro.
This is I'm building the next fucking cool thing that I got.
thing that i got forever um no all i'll say is that just because the establishment
I hope so, man.
is wrong doesn't mean that the the things that you find on the other side are necessarily right
and i think any of us who have spent considerable amount of our lives in the everything is, like everything official is bullshit camp, can tell you that a lot of what is offered as alternatives is also bullshit.
They're both asymmetric.
And so as you look in the other direction, though, the other linear aspect, doing that will correct the errors
of the path that we've taken. And that's how you synthesize. We have the thesis of how we've been
thinking about things. And then we turn the other direction, shift the pole, and we see the
antithesis. And that is how we arrive at the synthesis. The antithesis, the antithesis,
corrects the errors inherent in the thesis.
And we synthesize what we already know with what we're figuring out as we trace back.
And then we build from there with a coherent symmetric system.
A lot of fancy words for balance.
Yes.
I also, I don't know I could argue
is probably the wrong word
but I also feel that that's a
largely binary way
to address and look at everything
We're expanding beyond binary
But that's my point is that
that is how you get beyond binary
by encapsulating both
the left and the right the up and the down and you synthesize both and that's how you get beyond binary by encapsulating both the left and the right, the up and the down, and you synthesize both.
And that's how you rise above it, and you can see all of the things from a higher perspective.
That's what it looks like to become nonlinear, non-binary, and there's a multidimensionality to that as well.
Cray area.
Does everybody have a good mic?
Go ahead, Zach.
Yeah, you sound a little far away.
Okay, I'm sorry.
I just, I don't understand why we can't just stand up for ourselves.
up for ourselves.
Like, why is it so wrong to deny people coming into this country or people running for office
or anything like that?
Like, why is that so controversial?
Why is the military trying to take us all out? I think the reason it's controversial is most people have been trained to divert blame to
anyone but themselves. themselves and personal responsibility has become something that most people have no
concept of in ways that are really bad. I agree with that totally but and like I asked you in
a comment I asked you in this panel who has kids like that should be a common question into anybody trying to rule over or control a certain amount of the population.
Like, what, if you don't have kids and you can't...
Yeah, but Bill Gates has kids.
I still don't want him trying to dictate my life.
Okay.
All right.
Understand.
But do you think Bill Gates takes care of his kids like you do or I do?
Do you think Bill Gates is worried about if his kid has a snack at the end of the night or...
We get punished for being independent. He does not.
What do you mean punished? Like, he's not being punished.
I said we are.
No, no.
Right.
Right.
Listen, I get it. Although, I think the whole kids thing, right, I get it. Although I think the whole kids thing, right, I get it. If you have kids, obviously, right, you are probably more likely to have a longer term view and vision of like what the world you want to have, like what the world should be.
Isn't that the whole point of the Constitution and the way of american life is about you know no it wasn't
just written for people who had kids though somebody else is gonna sit in the shade in
by the way bill bill gates did not vaccinate his kids so there's that and neither did I. I have a one month old and I have a five year old.
And the approach that I took between both of them is completely different.
Again, I'll say this.
Listen, having kids is hardly a qualifier that gives us any sense of your spirituality or your knowledge or your wisdom.
Well, no, it's not mine.
It's something we should share together. Like anybody that has another human being that,
that like requires their assistance to,
to keep them breathing.
Like it's,
listen,
I get to like,
right.
It makes sense that you're relatively like new father too. Right.
Like you, when your kids are young, I'm not new, but yes, I, I, if you have teenagers,
I've got four kids who are all teenagers, right? Like, so again, maybe just listen to another
perspective, right. Because I also have been where you've at and I've gone through the whole existential
crisis
of like, holy shit,
what kind of world am I going to leave
for these kids
which has led me to take on a bunch of
fights and challenges that I got
fucked up trying to
wage and
was able to justify
because of what the motivation is so right i get it however
no bro dude you've done where it's coming all different sizes like i'm not i'm not even trying
to compare myself to you like i've heard your story and what you've been through you and your
wife being debanked and all that like i'm not even trying to
compare myself to that but just no no i i listen i wasn't trying to big time you right everybody's
experiences matter and like as a new father you should be thinking about that but what one of
the things that you shouldn't discount however right this also gets to actually i'm gonna tie it back to like remember i was
talking about hallucinogens a little bit ago yes sir right so like i've often had like been with
people who would say things like oh my god if only we could get like our corrupt members of
government to take let's say ecstasy, right?
If they felt like I did, they'd never do all the evil shit they did.
Yes, like, if you have taken acid or something like that,
it makes you realize how small of a dot in the world you are.
Well, no, no, no, but the thing is,
oh, I can guarantee you that they have.
Right. I go to Washington, T.C. I promise you they've taken all those drugs and then some and they're still corrupt, evil scumbags.
Right. So just because your experience as a father has helped you shape like a vision and like you feel a responsibility to want to do things does not mean
that that is a you know that that is how a lot of other people react to becoming a parent well
right isn't that isn't that the point of being a parent where you actually have to make zach you
you're forgetting that there's people who suck that there's people who
are who see parenthood as a trap that would if they could get rid of their kid and not be in
trouble they would it's like this guy's never even heard of child support before no Augustus
don't get the yeah don't don't insult him what's it called that's I don't think that's what what
what's it called what we're trying to say what I'm trying to say is I think you have a problem with evil and evil does exist.
And there are people out there who like hurting people who see children as a burden.
Well, that's what I'm saying. That is what is happening in our Congress right now.
Like that, that is what is happening in our Congress right now. That's what's happening in our entire, you know, government. Like, oh, there's a lot of bad. I am not on the side of thinking things are all honky dory. I am not saying that at all. But if you have a child that you need to, to, to, to sustain that child's life is in your hands.
Exactly.
But if you have contempt for that child, it'll make you have contempt for other things.
And because they feel like I don't have contempt.
I'm not saying you, buddy.
I'm not saying you.
I'm talking about.
Yeah. We're actually'm talking about. Yeah.
We're actually talking specifically and not right.
Like what we're saying, man, you have these really wholesome, right.
Thoughts about being a parent.
I can tell you though, a lot of parents, right.
Want to lift their children up and stomp everybody else.
Like as a right. want to lift their children up and stomp everybody else.
There's all kinds of fucked up parents.
And it's not necessarily that they're fucking evil towards their own children,
but they only want to create a fucking world where their children are best. Or they're jealous of other children.
Is it not ego?
Is it not ego?
Like anybody in government trying to force their values onto the rest of the nation or anything like that?
Hello, Bill Gates.
Yes, yes.
But what I'm saying is people just for the sake of being a parent don't get bonus credit, right?
for the sake of being a parent, don't get bonus credit, right?
You're still left with the same bad fucking qualities
or bad fucking ideas or bad spiritual.
Yeah, I'm talking more in the realm of voting
and making decisions for the entire country.
I definitely think, Zach, I think the thing that you're trying to say
is there's a lot of
wisdom and a lot of things that come from it, but there's some people, I think what we're trying
to say is there's some people who are just so into not caring about that, that they don't,
you know what I mean? Like Dustin was saying, they're either elitist or they don't care about
their kids, and just because they have kids doesn't mean that they're going to do it. You
have to remember there's always bad actors, and the reason there's so many in government is because
the power is there and that's always the conflict is that unfortunately there's tons of people who
have great hearts who want to go help people in power but there's also a bunch of people who go
oh there's power there i can help myself well yeah isn't that isn't that the whole reason why
pedophiles or judges and prosecutors?
Like, there's an incentive.
Yeah, of course.
But, Zach, I love that you've been here.
I feel like you've been hogging the mic a lot.
And it sounds like you've probably even had a couple drinks tonight, which is fine.
All good.
But we should probably move on to some other things.
I feel like, no offense,
you brought the vibration down. So we want to probably, I think, bring it up a little bit.
No, no, listen, it's a good discussion to have, right?
You don't got to insult them.
I wasn't trying to insult them.
Yeah, I would really like, what makes you say that I had a couple drinks tonight?
I don't know, it just sounds like you do a little bit just because we weren't really talking about government
and you signed a... brought it down
to that. I think we were at a higher level talking more
about spirituality and humanity. That's
about it. We do got a lot of hands
I'm happy to be back.
Thanks, Dustin, for
having me back, bro. Sorry.
I try to go to bed
and then... It's back, bro. Sorry. I, you know, I try to go to bed and then,
it's tough, bro.
You try to leave and we keep pulling you back.
Yeah. Just when I thought I was out, they brought me back in and yeah,
I got a pizza on the way and everything. So I'm here for the juice. Um, we do got some hands raised. Uh, we just broke,
I just invited coyoyote on stage, so shout out the homie Coyote of Wall Street.
Legend.
Yeah, so who do we go to next, guys?
You want to go to the Jews rather than speak about this?
I said the juice, bro, the juice.
You don't got to be all like— Don't take what I was trying to say offensive.
I'm just trying to say we're trying to move on from that. I think we've had— I think he said I said the juice bro the juice you don't gotta be Don't take what I was trying to say offensive. I'm just trying to say we're trying to move on from that
I think we've had think he said I said the Jews
I said no no
Coyote coyote like the fuck plays no
news
Or something that not what he said tell me I'm wrong. I said the juice bro. They're not here for the juice
It's a tagline like I i know it's the juice all right
listen let's woosaw for just a sec i really do have calls so we really do have to like work our
way through the panel i i appreciate though that we're having a lot of these important conversations
and again one of the things that i take pride in, in these spaces in particular, is it's important for us, and this gets to what Amy was talking about, too.
Don't get me wrong.
I do these because it's really important for us to break through and think outside the artificial boundaries.
Right? break through and think outside the artificial boundaries, right? That there are these artificial
boundaries that we have all been trained that we're not supposed to allow ourselves to think
outside of. And when you break through them, right, and you start thinking outside, you're
going to be subjected to all kinds of new information. You're going to be taking some
in. And the point of tonight was to point out
that all of that information outside of the boundaries is not created equal, right? So
the important thing to remember, and that I'm always trying to point out, is just because
some of the stuff that is left outside those artificial boundaries that, like, we're not allowed to think outside of, we're left outside of there for some purpose that is legitimate, right?
There are rabbit holes that are not productive to go down.
And I've watched people spend years of their lives, right?
spend years of their lives right and those of us who have been down these rabbit holes for a long
time will try to warn people that like you know what like that becomes a secular thing and that
you do not want to right like it you are not going to come out of there feeling better or accomplished by spending considerable time there.
So, like, tonight we've been calling bullshit on a bunch of the other stuff.
I started with the Craigslist ads that pop up, the Crisis Actor and Protester Craigslist ads.
Do you think if you were putting together a false flag event, you'd need to go recruit people in a way that like was very public and everybody could find? Or is it clickbait? Right? Is it misinformation
that's been injected into the system for all kinds of bugs? And if you were going to place
said ad, would you say like, I'm looking for people who are willing to light buildings on fire and beat cops up.
And yet I see people I respect and like pass that shit around all the time.
And there's several examples.
I'm not going to have time to get into it.
But I think there's parts of the q rabbit holes that are absolutely designed to
just waste your time like take your good intent and literally just get you into a place where
you're spinning wheels and not accomplishing anything and so when we break through right
and we start challenging and we we come to recognize that this is all bullshit on the
official side, it means on the other side that we also have to, like, we can't leave our discernment
behind and just accept everything that was cast out at face value right off the gate like it has to be a new evaluation process
and we have to run it through our own system of sense and common sense and experience to come to
like reasonable conclusions about the shit we're dealing with so that was kind of the whole point
of tonight like in general um i think it's been a really productive discussion and i don't mind
when people jump off topic like i said i've got the weaponized add i think it's good for us
to be willing just to bounce around topics and it's also another natural byproduct
of like when we start really digging deep and questioning things you're going to start
questioning all kinds of stuff and this should be the kind of place that we can talk. Yeah. Dustin, it's funny. Cause it sounds almost like the cut, like with like people who first
learned about communism, right. They're like, look at all these, they're so right about all
the criticisms about capitalism, you know, and then to immediately think just because your
criticisms are right, that you have the solutions again is very, um, what is it, arrogant. And just because someone
might point something out, you know, and be like, oh, that's a criticism, it doesn't mean that they
know how to build something that's going to fix it. And I think that's like, I would almost call
that the Alex Jones dilemma, where it's like, yeah, Alex is right, that's wrong. But his solution
is like, no, that's also wrong. And I think he got pulled into it, right? With Sandy Hook, he even said after a while, it's like, everything was BS that I just started calling.
I just didn't even care to look into it.
I just knew something was up.
Just because something is up doesn't mean that everything that's evil said about it is 100% right.
The truth is in the middle.
Isn't that the whole reason to discredit him no not discredit him at all to to sit there and question alex jones
question everybody question yourself but for other people like that that's the whole point of why
like the the mainstream or whatever you want to call it like that's why they question him
because they make the population question him like that that's the whole thing they should
question him as the point there's nothing wrong questioning things or people and just because
alex is wrong about one thing or right about one thing. How many points are in the jar of Alex Jones was right?
Of course.
Alex Jones is a true American hero and patriot.
Absolutely.
But it doesn't mean that he's someone who you should listen to or probably take a lot of his supplements or certain things like that.
He's somebody you should listen to every day.
Yeah, I'm not taking his supplements on his campaign.
Like, I get that.
Like, if you even have any kind of reason in your body to question something.
Listen, bro, I don't know if you've ever been there, but he's been at the tip of the spear for three decades.
I don't know if you've ever been there once.
Well, yeah, that's the whole point of Alex Jones. tip of the spear for three decades. I don't know if you've ever been there once.
Well, yeah, that's the whole point of Alex Jones.
But the point is, if you are on the line of, right, like if you're at the tip of the spear,
you are inevitably going to step over the line like more often than people who aren't willing to go out there and challenge it and it's fine because cheney's absolutely rocking the comments right
now because i i actually but but dustin in minecraft sandy hook was total fucking horseshit. Like, I'm willing to do that.
But Dustin, let me...
In Minecraft.
So you can't sue me because it's in Minecraft.
But Dustin, that's why I was trying to bring it back
to these Overton windows, right?
So basically, if you look at Alex Jones,
he was saying that they're trying to take away the guns.
And he was saying that they would be basically using this... They were trying to take away the guns and he was saying that they were would be basically using this they were trying
to take away the window was was alec jones calling out 9-11 no no no so let me can i just stay on
topic here so the point was that's why i was talking about these overton windows so he's
using that overton window to interpret an event that was reported to him. And so he used his Overton window to essentially say,
this fits the pattern.
Now, did he go to Sandy Hook, let's say,
and was there to actually interview everybody
to see if it validate what would fit the pattern?
And I think that's what I think.
I keep coming back to your original question.
The paper followed it out in what, July? No, no, if I could, so coming back to your original question it out in what July or no no if I could
to Dustin to the point all right listen we've lost control of this like where it's no longer
productive and I really do have to do calls I supposed to be on at 1 30 so I'm gonna shut her
down maybe after the calls I'll fire one back up if everybody's still up super late for those of
you guys who didn't get to talk I apologize we'll do this another night very very soon but i really was supposed to be
on at 1 30 and oh geez blowing my phone up very mad at me and these are like really important
people that probably shouldn't stand up so i'm gonna cut it off appreciate y'all much love to
everybody challenge everything nobody is above challenging because guess what you could be right
and on the team good for 10 20 50 years and then all of a sudden something changes challenge nobody
is above challenging nobody is a deity jesus is the only one who's lived the perfect life
and i don't see him anywhere on the panel.
I hope he will join us someday, though.
