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Let’s GROW Live 📢 Gitcoin Community 24/7🌳 GG23
Recorded: April 2, 2025 Duration: 3:51:57Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, speakers explored the potential for launching a new token on Solana, emphasizing the importance of cross-chain growth, strategic partnerships, and community education in the evolving crypto landscape.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Again, too.
I know it's probably going to take a little bit, um, after being rugged. So hopefully people realize that, uh, we got back on and, and, and we'll find us again. Um,
now's about the time that, you know, I normally turn on some music. Unfortunately, I don't have my board hooked up right this minute.
I didn't expect to be speaking this long today.
But, um, I can just talk all day long about any kind of thing while we're waiting for everybody else to join us.
So, um, that's exactly what I'm going to do.
Um, and.
You do your thing. That was actually a good conversation i know i know um hopefully
cricket hears this so i'm since these are all recorded i'm gonna just you know finish my
response and that is um uh i heard him say that he wanted to launch on Solana because he had done Pumped Up Fund.
But I've actually seen quite a few projects who launched across blockchains and have actually had a lot of really good luck with that.
in more than one blockchain ecosystem is that you have the opportunity to grow your community
beyond what's just in a single ecosystem. And the Solana ecosystem is very large,
but having something inside the EVM ecosystem, I think is also super beneficial. So I would encourage all of you to,
to realize that the future of blockchain is, um, is, you know, omni channel, like that there's,
you know, multiple blockchains and, and the tooling is getting better and better for, um, you know, all of those
blockchains, not just the ones in the EVM ecosystem, but other blockchains too, to work
together in a more friendly manner. Um, bridging is getting better and easier. Um, there's, uh,
there's some SDKs that you can, um, use now to, um, do to do that bridging, like some of what we did at Unlock in the checkout where you can purchase across different blockchains, not just in the EVM ecosystem and having to choose a chain.
choose a chain um and the ability to do some of those things like that makes makes it like
not so painful to work in different ecosystems take advantage of that and ensure that you're
capturing as many as many audience members as you possibly can um in the future nobody will talk
about the blockchains like in the future it that it'll all be just completely obfuscated away
because the reality is the next step is normie adoption.
And talking about actual networks becomes like way too much
for most normal people to get involved in.
That's like normal people talking about what kind of database they use.
And I know that's really hard for some of us who are here because of sovereignty
and are like, but no, people should understand every bit of it.
Well, we also got to baby step them in a lot of ways.
So realize that there's that.
Like you can pill people all you want, but if they're still afraid of like
losing all their money, because they make a misstep with the technology, then it's not going
to matter. You're not going to get them to adopt this stuff. So, you know, we need to use the tools
to make the life easier of regular consumers. And to get them, you know, in and then gently
start talking about some of those other underlying issues that brought us into the space in the
first place. Right. And there's ways to do that. Like, you know, some of what we've been working on is figuring out how to
influence people, but only where it's responsible. So in other words, if they're having an issue
and a Web3 product will solve it for them, then that's the point at which you bring up,
hey, you know, I see you have a box account that you've connected, but did you know that
this other product exists that's built on Arweave?
And that means that your stuff will never be lost because it's permanent.
And do you know that you could save yourself $10 a month or something like that?
you could save yourself $10 a month or something like that. I mean, decentralized compute, for
instance, is like 80% cheaper than AWS. Like there's plenty of benefits that are, you know,
actual benefits now in everybody's flow of a day as these products built in Web3 have gotten better and better. So I think that
we just need to think about that a little bit. Don't stay in the same ecosystem. The tools are
there now. The infrastructure tools are there now to work across ecosystems. But also Unlock's not
on Solana, but it's because nobody's come to us with a big enough
project to justify it. Like if somebody comes to us with a big enough project, um, and we talk to
the Solana, um, foundation and there's some, you know, uh, ability for us to maybe get a grant to get it moved over there.
Would completely take up helping and talk to the devs over there at the Salona Foundation,
like people we might be able to pull in from that community to help with that project.
Remember, it's open source.
Like we can do whatever we want.
All we have to do is make it worth
our time so um in that in that case like too um i will tell i will say to cricket reach out to me
um and let's talk about that um if you want to see unlock on Solana, then let's figure out how to do that together.
If you want to, um, you know, launch in the EVM ecosystem, we're on like a bunch of the,
the different blockchains, um, Celo, Optimism, Base, uh, Avalanche, Arbitrum. slow optimism base uh avalanche arbitram um the list is pretty pretty long these days
um then you know just hop in there and do it because honestly it's easy enough at this point
for my kid to launch a smart contract and my mom to mint an NFT from it. And that was like my
litmus test on have we succeeded at Unlock to make it user-friendly enough. And that happened.
That happened a little while, like quite a while ago, actually, that the user interface finally
got good enough for that experiment to work without them needing me in the process.
We failed several times before we got it right though. Because I ran that experiment several
times before I finally got it to work, which is really fun actually to see that happen.
got it to work, which is really fun actually to see that happen. Um, so yeah, hopefully we'll get
more and more people, um, hopping in and now I'm officially cricket, you're back. I answered your question and it's recorded,
but I'll say it, I'll say, I'll just say it really quick again. Um, don't be afraid to launch
another, uh, a token or an NFT project, um, outside Solana, you want to open yourself up to the largest
possible audience. And I would encourage you, Solana is a great community to start in
because they're super enthusiastic too about projects launched inside their community,
but so is EVM. And there's a huge audience there. You want to capture as much of the crypto
audience as possible. So don't be afraid. Plus there's so many good wallets now that do both
Solana and EVM together. So the tooling is there to make it not painful for the people on the other end. And that will only get better. Like some of that stuff's been
more recent, but the products just keep getting better and better. So don't be afraid of that.
And then the other thing I said was, if you really want to see Unlock on Solana, we're not on Solana
yet because nobody's come to us with a big enough project to make it worthwhile, I am more than happy to speak to you about that and talk to the Solana Foundation. So
it's just, you know, nobody's come to us with anything that was like already established and
a decent size enough for us to, you know, justify the engineering that it would take.
to justify the engineering that it would take.
Especially since right now we're only on EVM chains
and so we don't have any Rust devs in our community
and we would have to go out and talk to the devs
in the Solana ecosystem.
But also Solana Foundation has grants
and our protocol is big enough
that I'm sure we'd qualify for them.
So we could also let them know when we put in the grant, listen, we have somebody else
who wants to launch something on it right away. And that's why we're coming to you.
That makes it like a lot more easy. And that is why we hadn't done it yet without a partner to
go to them with. So, so, so yeah, like either way, you know, let me know how I can help.
I'm always here to like, you know, lift everyone else up in this community too.
I, I have had my own ups and downs and struggles in trying to figure out how to make things work.
And, you know, that's part of the experimentation process
that we've all been going through in doing decentralized organizations and new ways of
working and thinking about money and economies and new ways to fundraise and new ways to market.
And that can be super frustrating sometimes because there's
going to be failures in that. But don't let any of those things discourage you because,
you know, what I've seen is the people who persist past even some of the initial
starts and sputters that happen while we're figuring it out, you know, tend to have a
decent amount of success because, you know, sometimes it just takes a certain amount of
grit to get past, you know, the lift of like, how do we rethink some of these really entrenched
really in entrenched paradigms. Sometimes it's just a matter of bumping into the right people.
paradigms?
And if you keep keep at it, like, you'll definitely get there. So just just keep
keep banging with at it. And, you know, go drop into the unlock discord server. My handle is the same on discord as it is here. So you
can tag me in the server if you have any questions. And get to know everybody else in the DAW
because they're super, they're super great. Like, like Will and Stella and everyone else that's been working with us,
Captain Southpaw and Ceci.
And we've got like a decent team of regular contributors in the DAO
that are just brilliant and friendly.
And it's been like really lovely, actually, the last little bit after we finally started figuring things out and coalescing and becoming completely aligned and, you know, really working the kinks out finally.
Because Unlock had always intended to be fully decentralized, but, you know, it started so early and like
Julian Genesow launched it in 2018.
And like that was really early.
So nobody really had a, you know, a path clearly marked on how to do DAOs at that point. And so Julian, you know, was just really unsure
about how to proceed. And we, we tried like several different things over the years, but
I can confidently say we finally figured it out. So we had, you know, even unlock protocol had its own stops and starts and you know struggles um and we're
still here and things are going brilliantly so like definitely just keep trying and you have a
large enough audience of cricket lovers globally that um and and if you manage to find all of them in that are also crossover with crypto, but also,
you know, start teaching people in the cricket communities about crypto, then you'll, I think
you'll be, you know, finding what you're really looking for and building, you know, a super great
community there. And like I said, it's all headed towards obfuscation anyway. So, you know, don't be afraid
to just not be a Web3 community, just be a community that uses Web3 technology. And that
it's really what everybody here is. You know, it's, it's, it's an outlet for whatever else you're passionate about,
whether it be artwork or technology for me. Education for Will. You know, I think and,
and, and like, I think that that's the real fun part about it is like it's a substrate for people to be expressive and to build communities and find other like-minded people and that sort of thing.
So definitely like keep at it.
And yeah, I'm here for it.
All of it.
No, I think you touched some of the points about the education aspect of it, right?
I mean, that's something I forgot to mention.
I guess my mind is just a bit foggy right now.
But, yeah, that's also one of the, you know, know like legs of our core process that we want to
because not every cricket lover probably uh you know like things like you mentioned crypto you
know some people think crypto is a scam or you know they've probably gotten robbed or you know
like they may have had bad experiences and things of that nature so you know we definitely want to
they may have had bad experiences and things of that nature so you know we definitely want to
cultivate the culture about it as well and then it's it's a two-way street in my opinion because
uh there might be some audiences that may not know much about cricket but they know about crypto
right so uh the educational part also kind of like uh plays a role there as well. And then, of course, you know, like we are building on the blockchain technology,
merging cricket and crypto together.
So, yeah, there is definitely that aspect as well.
So, I mean, at the same time, like I definitely want to stay optimistic
and, you know, like keep going and pivot if I have to paradigm shift if I have to and kind of like find the best possible solutions out there.
Like I did with, you know, renouncing the pump.fund contract and making it a reward based token.
Right. So I think that definitely adds an added utility into our program right now so um you know you definitely
want to play something that's uh well how how are you able to trade crypto like what happened with
bitcoin uh 2016 in 2010 you know like all those uh prices and where it went because the communities
were built around it you know the system, and it became a commodity.
So we definitely want to make Cricketcoin
into a commodity as well for our future cricketing events.
I mean, personally, when I play here in New York,
you know, during the middle of the game,
during the innings break,
someone will probably just go to like the corner store
and grab lunch for us, right?
So then at the end, we have to like sell the person back.
So like I've played it around a few times, like, do you take crypto?
You know, so I'll be like, yeah, I mean, you can you can even pay with cricket
court in the future. You can even we can even possibly, you know, add a few
cricket stores that has cricket gears and things of that nature
to accept cricket coin or buy future gaming events like if America is playing India at the New York
Stadium, they will be able to use cricket coin to buy it, buy the tickets. I mean, you know, there might be some partnerships and things may have to be formed.
And then, of course, some kind of reward system
or discounts can be integrated there.
If you use crypto, you know,
your purchase is going to be a bit cheaper.
And, yeah.
So, and then at the same time,
we definitely want to pursue as a corporation
with the corporate structure integrated into our,
you know, programs.
That way, you know, we are taking care of all the
nitty gritty stuff that kind of arise through building
a business.
So, yeah.
One thing about the onboarding part,
if you met your NFTs on Unlock,
the checkout, you can connect a Stripe to it
and people who don't have wallets
can just pay with a credit card.
And then what it does is it has an email login for them.
And it actually, it does create a wallet for them, a self-custody wallet. It sends them an email
with that information where their NFT is and that sort of thing. They can see it.
and that sort of thing. They can see it. And the other part of that is like, then they have a wallet
they're ready to claim when they're ready to make that step, but it doesn't stop them at all,
right? They can log in with their email and pay with a credit card and it still works just fine
for them. And it's a really smooth experience. It sort of like it's it's really really similar to
stripe checkout honestly is it is it evm based yeah we're on uh we're on a bunch of the evm chains
optimism celo arbitrum avalanche uh i know you know of course, if Ethereum mainnet, I'm lost track of how many were up on.
All of the ones that like doing some.
Yeah.
Sorry to cut you off.
I remember something similar.
I don't know if you've come across Sequence.xyz.
They have similar structure as well.
But then I wasn't able to move past as I launched them.
Like the artwork didn't show up on the screens
and things like that.
But I'm sure you guys have more.
Maybe it was the region.
Maybe they were not available in US.
I'm not sure because they're Canada based.
So interesting.
I'm not sure. I know that we solved the problem previously of the metadata not showing up properly on OpenSea because OpenSea doesn't follow conventions.
But we have like a guide there to tell you exactly what you need to do in order to make that work just fine.
So and one nice thing is like all those guides actually came from people just hopping into
the Discord server and asking the question.
And then we, you know, picked up on patterns and made guides around anything that seemed
to be, you know, something that everybody was having trouble with.
um you know uh something that everybody was having trouble with um you know funny enough
like one of our most popular guides before gitcoin launched their their um platform for um
you know for grants uh the the process uh getting on gitcoin was so painful that we launched a guide
getting on Gitcoin was so painful that we launched a guide.
Nice, nice.
Yeah, I mean, that's really...
That was one of our most popular guides, though.
And it wasn't even about Unlock.
It was about how to get on Gitcoin.
No, that will also come in handy for me
because I'm definitely interested
in looking into Gitcoin and their grants,
like I mentioned earlier.
So, yeah, no, I'll definitely join your Discord.
And I haven't been on Discord in a while,
to be honest with you.
I need to get back on it.
So, yeah.
Can I just say I hate Discord, but
this is personal.
You and I both.
Trust me.
I mean, I
gave up trying to resist
Discord because of
crypto projects, but
it's not my favorite tool
for communicating, and neither is telegram
and those are the two most used in the space it seems like i mean telegram is at least somewhat
like hey you know like whatsapp or something or you know like my favorite is like can you just
message me on on x here can you just you know dm me like something like that
like just keep it simple like why are we twisting the arm like just
just tell me what you need seriously I mean I get it like discord has a bunch of other tools
um for community stuff that are super useful and you know a lot of people in early crypto loved
discord because they're also gamers and that's where the gamers were always at.
So I get it, but geez, it's so painful sometimes. Uh, the first product, the first product that
were micro product we're actually launching is a unified inbox because I was like, I need this
myself. I was like, I'm tired of going to all the places for communications like Twitter,
DMs, Instagram, Telegram, Discord, just so much Slack. There's too many things.
So I was like, why do we make people go to all these different places instead of just like
having one place that you connect to all your places to or whatever?
I don't know.
It's annoying.
Yeah. It's, it's, it's a bit hectic. Like, I mean,
it's not straightforward and, but then again,
like if you want to create a ticket or like need support or something,
like it's more organized from that perspective and uh you know
at least like you have like someone dedicated to kind of like look at those uh tickets or messages
and then you know like you're at least moving right or i think like in telegram or it could
kind of like just get lost or the priority can uh change based on on how many other messages are coming in your inboxes.
So, yeah, that's definitely something that makes sense in terms of Discord.
So, I mean, it's not a bad tool per se.
It's just that it feels like a different part of the world.
Like you're in States and discord is in canada you know
right um i see that we have somebody else
introduce yourself
and say hello and let me know what you're working on
hello hello are you calling me out good morning yes i am yeah because i i i was
ragging for a second a nice nice to to to to to meet you um i just got up uh I actually I got up because the space ended. What happened?
Yeah, it got rugged.
Oh, we restarted.
Yeah.
Nice. Nice to meet you guys.
Good morning.
Yeah, I'm working on my breakfast.
I'm working on my breakfast at the moment.
And it's a very interesting conversation.
I'm a big fan of cricket.
And I'm trying to get involved as much as I can in many ways.
I'm a double millionaire. I mean, my kids are because I.
I sort of feed their wallets with different kind of coins, which which I find through different spaces, you know, because definitely I I don't really care about charts.
Because definitely I don't really care about charts.
I definitely try to see who is behind the coin.
And cricket for me is a very interesting concept,
even though I never played.
I was born in Poland, so we don't play cricket.
What do we play?
We play, I don't know football not so good
soccer soccer soccer yeah exactly soccer um only here in the states only yeah exactly exactly
Let's not confuse it with football, yes.
But yeah, I'm hoping to pull it off, the festival, the love festival.
I live in China for the last 20 years.
And in May 20, it's a Chinese Valentine's Day.
In May, May 20 is a Chinese Valentine Day and as probably you know that May 22 is a world Bitcoin pizza day.
So we are trying to combine these dates and in the middle hijack 21st to create an event promoting love,
regenerance and passion.
So yeah, I'm waiting.
I don't know how long should I wait or should I make another push
to get the info, but I got promised I will get some information
I got promised I will get some information yesterday or today.
yesterday or today.
If the place, it's called Dali Art Factory,
where they organize handicraft markets
and they renovated for last year.
So I spoke with manager and I really hope that this will happen.
So basically it will be some music,
basically will be some discussions,
some conversations, exhibitions, movie projections.
Yeah, I really hope that this will put DALI on the map of events which are educational,
which are fun, which are transformative.
The vision is huge and now the question is if they will pay for it.
If they won't, then we probably make a little bit smaller,
but I really hope that we can start from that level.
Thanks for asking.
You know, if you set up your event on Unlock Protocol,
we have a landing page that's much like Luma,
then our community is super great at helping get the word out about people who use Unlock for events.
And you'll find a lot of, you know, people who are willing to share your information and use their reach to help pull more people in.
So definitely check it out for that purpose.
Plus there's a couple, I don't know if you're charging or not,
but there's a couple of chains that the foundations for those chains
help subsidize gas fees.
gas fees so um so it's like no we don't we don't maybe maybe we will you know issue some kind of
So it's like...
No, we don't.
commemorative nft uh yeah but i think i think i really if the budget which i created is it's it's So everybody can even, you know, the concept is that we will do after.
I mean, not every presenter will have art, but some presentations, I really hope that it will be together with the auction at the end.
be together with the auction at the end so i hope we can you know we can subsidize from the budget
the auction and even maybe a buy original nft to keep it in in in the in the project vault
to maybe continue that you know because this is thing which we are sort of not really struggling but but because as you probably know china is sort of not really welcoming
the blockchain beside their own they have blockchain on alibaba they have i think tencent
owner of uh yeah i i don't remember 10 10 yeah anyway so so what we are trying to to to to do
is if if we if the artist because as well we will invite the artists and and regions and and and and
and and projects who are uh doing outreach in in around the world and in in china uh so so after the presentation
i don't know 10 15 minutes there will be an auction and i want to i already spoke with uh
like two biggest blockchain nft companies in china and i will um get the the proof on the blockchain, Chinese blockchain.
So it will be very interesting, I think, for some of the artists to find themselves.
But I still have to dig a little bit deeper to understand, you know, the issues of copyrights,
because I heard different kind of stories.
So it will be interesting as well, I think, for our community here
to understand what is going on with Chinese blockchain.
So I think this will be one of the benefits of this activity.
And Will already, you know, it's so fast because he knows I'm a little bit slow.
Already, you know, it's so fast because he knows I'm a little bit slow.
So he already pinned in the garden about unlock protocol.
So definitely I will take a look at it.
Thank you very much.
Yeah.
If you're aiming towards some of the Chinese chains,
unlock's not up on those yet.
But you can also just use it for events and then use the other tools that might be already available on some of those blockchains for minting NFTs.
And, you know, because I know, I know I V chain has some tools for venting NFTs already built out.
I'm not nearly as familiar with the Chinese chains.
I always had a worry of government capture on some of those, especially if there was any tie in with, you know, Chinese corporations, because those are, you know, they can be, you know, controlled by the government there.
I mean, the same is true here in the United States. I mean, and the EU eu too um it's just in different ways and to
different extents so um we all kind of deal with our our own areas of the world and what governments
mean um and how they affect uh you know true true economic sovereignty but you know i true, true economic sovereignty. But, you know, I hope, I hope, I hope we finally
figure it out. Like I have this dream, I have this utopian dream of, you know, libertarianism
at its core, but like economies being things that people opt into, as opposed to economies being things that people are forced into.
And I don't know, maybe I'm optimistic, but I think that we've got a pretty decent start
in the cryptoverse.
I mean, it's a, sorry to jump in.
It's a very interesting take from my perspective because for me is it's uh i could parallel that
with religion or politics you know and i i never actually dream uh go let my mind
wander into the economy because somehow for for me uh how I say, you know, I'm a businessman for last maybe 30 years, working in Poland, working in Sweden, working in China. of ideal um ideal solution exists but but but um um on global scale um or national scale or community
scale um i i feel like it's surfing you know you have you have a bunch of rules and then you have to find the way how to make it you know yeah and and
and for me this this discussion is actually very interesting because there is less less this
religious or political pressure you know but but it's equally sort of uh you know we have to
navigate in in in the world to hopefully create that utopias which we dream about, because it's so necessary that we together find a way for everybody to find their own space. I really hope that in the relation between...
I think he rugged.
Maybe.
I thought I got rugged. That was my first thought process.
Yeah. I thought, I thought it was,
I thought the whole thing was going to go down again, but I think,
I think it was just him. I appreciated that conversation though.
Hopefully he can still hear us. It's being recorded. So, oh, good.
You can still hear us. I appreciate that conversation. It is,
you know, it's tough work sometimes, but also I've had so many amazing rewards from it,
just sticking it out. Like, so I always encourage people to like, stick it out as long as it's not
like harming them at a really fundamental level to deal with some of the challenges that come up around it. not, you know, something that is, you know, just another way to shill. I think that people
realize that that foundation is here. Like, there's a lot of people here doing good things,
and I've seen good things happen for them. And I just, you know, I myself like have had my life changed
by crypto. And, and, you know, that was even after I lost all my crypto in 2018, when the
market was like, really, really down, I got sick. I had to sell all my crypto in the crypto winter of 2018. And it was just brutal. I can't even think about
how much money that would be worth in today's money. But at the same time, I was still able to
come back and work my way back to way more than I even had back then. I mean,
not what it would have been worth now, but like, at least, you know, to make my family comfortable
after I got well. So, and it was a cushion when it was a cushion when I was sick and I had it there to rely on.
So even though I had to sell it at a really terrible time,
at least I had it there at that point in time
to help buffer some of what was a really difficult thing
for me, because I almost died.
And it was a really life-changing experience.
I came out of it like so much happier, weirdly enough,
but an optimistic, like way more optimistic
than I've ever been in my life before.
And yeah, like then I was like,
how do I get back everything I lost?
And where do we go from here?
And I just kept thinking, you know, the opportunities exist if you're looking for them. If you put yourself out there in a positive way, it will attract positive things to you. When you show up with a smile on your face, people tend to like to be around you and will invite you to, you know, to be in other spaces with them. And that opened up so many opportunities for me,
by just being me and, you know, showing up and being positive, and being willing to do some of
the work. Because there's like plenty of work to do in the space to where you can earn in tokens.
So, you know, that's exactly what I did. And it's been an amazing journey since then, too.
So I'm still here, y'all.
Like, that's the amazing part of the story.
I'm still here.
So, you know, I still still thinking of new ways to use tokens and to tokenize the world and to create new uses for these things that
we've all imagined. And I love the creativity in the space for that purpose. People here think so
outside the box. It's amazing. I love it. It's entertaining. It keeps my mind sharp.
It's life changing. I mean, I've seen like, and not just people who, you know, get rich off of
tokens overnight. I'm talking about people who find communities who in a coordinated banner managed to make things happen in the real world.
And those are some of the stories that I really love to hear. There's so many. There's so many
over the years. There's been so many, I mean, DAOs formed for different purposes that have like actually made things happen in the real
world um that um you know changed a lot of people's lives created new products uh created new
communities and support systems um i think that that it will replace a lot of what we rely on governments for in the future
um at least that's my hope like we will have more and more dows that like start taking up
a lot of what governments had been providing for people and that will give us more options options and more ultimately stability, um, in some ways, um, because it's, you know, it's about
alignment, um, and choice and that's always a good thing. Um, and I, yeah, I don't know. I've,
I've also seen people like when bad things happen to them, crypt the cryptoverse like coming to the rescue in in some
of the ways that have actually like um i don't know brought a tear to my eye really i know you've
probably had some heard some of those stories too well you got one repeat Repeat that, sorry.
Oh, I was saying...
I'm multitasking.
I've seen where people have had a hard time and people in the cryptoverse came to the rescue.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, back in 2021, that used to be a regular thing, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, back in 2021, that used to be like a regular thing, right?
Yeah, definitely. I think when everybody, you know, had these massive windfalls during that period of time, they were definitely like willing to share. I mean people in web three for as many people who like have this impression that it's all grift
I've seen quite the opposite too and and so many inspiring stories in the complete opposite
direction so I just remind people that there's like grifters in every
space and that bank robbers exist too, not just people who hack wallets. And criminals are all
over the place, not just in crypto. And, you know, anytime money is involved, there's going to be crime or bad behavior or antisocial behavior.
So you can't you can't get away from it. is not the case and that they're safe and that like, um, people are there to share information
and, um, you know, and help people out. And I don't know, global, this global community has
just been kind of amazing in a lot of ways. Um, when our son was diagnosed with cancer, like
I, the support that I got from, you know, just moral support in that was like super amazing from the crypto community.
That it was, you know, it was just, it was super great.
It was nice to know that people actually cared.
Even the people I hadn't met in person yet, you know, because some people I talked to online for like years before i get a chance to meet them in person so you know it was it was really crazy to like have you know people you
know wishing me well sorry my my dog is my puppy is being fine you're good but um we'd have um like in my first family
of um this space right um whenever we'd have someone who got scammed because they clicked
on the malicious link or whatever our um other developer team was a bunch of white hats. So they tried to go after the scammers and see if anything could be recovered.
Right.
Sometimes, yeah, sometimes there was, like, especially on the NFTs that they were deploying contracts on,
they could kind of influence those to a certain degree.
But, like, if it was just straight, like ETH or something like that,
then there was almost no recovery of that.
But we did have somebody at one time when ETH was,
I think it was like around 3K, 3,500, something like that.
We got 30 ETH taken away from them.
And they actually
who was
the software engineer
actually put them in touch with law enforcement.
I don't know what the eventual
outcome was, but
yeah.
Community can rally for good causes
for sure.
Yeah, I've seen plenty
of it here.
I mean, especially in the region space.
It's kind of been amazing to see some people take up these social issues that are unique to their own region of the world or their own community, um, and bring them
to this sort of global space and see, you know, a giant amount of support and love sent, sent
their way. I hope we can just keep doing more of that. Honestly. Um, It's always harder when the markets are down. But honestly,
they keep going up and down. Like during the uptimes, we see people, you know, get so much
more generous. And that's always been really sort of a nice part about being in this space is people willing to share their windfalls
and continuing to like fund public goods. And yeah, I don't know. I've seen public goods funded
way more in this space than anywhere else. Like, honestly. It's amazing, actually. And
I just, I hope that that only grows as the space grows, and that people realize that there's a
different way of doing things. And it's really nice to see people thinking up new ways to support public goods that are not tied to governments.
Because, you know, the one terrible thing about government sometimes is there's a lot of people that fall through cracks.
Whereas if things are much more ground up and community based and you also are sharing globally how you solve problems, you get an opportunity to see what's worked for other people in other places and implement that where you are locally.
implement that where you are locally. And I don't know, maybe it, maybe it's because I live,
I live in a place where a really active mutual aid community. Um, during COVID, um, I got really
involved. People out, I got involved in helping with support side of mutual aid and, and it was amazing to see
like so many people being fed so many people, you know, being moved towards the services that they need that were available,
but that they just couldn't get to because they needed a ride or that sort of thing.
Campaign for delivering propane to homeless encampments. So those people that we couldn't
get into temporary housing could at least
not freeze during the winter time. And this is all just like private citizens just choosing to
be good people and do something when they saw a problem or when someone came and said, I need help.
I need help. And I think that's just how it should be in the world. So, so I like,
I love the model because it, it, it provides flexibility enough to, for us to just like,
as a small group, just be like, Oh no, like, we're not going to let our neighbor like,
you know, be homeless. What can we do about it? Or, you know, the elderly person that lives
on the other side of town, you know, is like, can't handle, you know, her dishes anymore,
whatever. How do we help? Because they don't have kids around to do anything about it. Or,
or sometimes, sometimes it's as simple as, you know, stuff like that. And sometimes it's as simple as you know stuff like that and sometimes it's really
big stuff like this person has you know homeless and drinking themselves to death and how do we get
how do we get the counselors out to where they're at and and convincing them to go into to treatment
you know and maybe saving their lives.
So, yeah, I don't know. I think we can do that on a global scale though.
Like, I think we can share stories
of what's worked and not worked
in some of those communities with each other
and figure out how to make the entire globe
a better place to live by taking up
some of those types of projects and using tokenized
communities to help enable it even more. So I don't know. My mutual aid community is so amazing
here in Olympia, Washington. Let me tell you, we actually bought one of the main volunteers a car to help because she was volunteering so much of her time so we figured out how to get her a salary
and we bought her a car um so she could continue doing the work um that she was doing for effectively doing effectively for free for a while. You know, like,
let's just recreate
all of those all over the place, shall we?
Move everybody
towards more humanness
and, you know,
getting their needs taken care of
so they can go play cricket.
Nice. And play with art. And play with art and play and play with art and have fun and be creative. This is my hope for like when AI frees us all,
like is we figure out how to share in all of that and, and, you know, have more time to
and, you know, have more time to do creative endeavors
and to figure out how to pick up the people
who get left behind in some of that
and bring them up, you know, with the rest of us
who are building, you know, some of this technology.
Like, it's possible.
I don't know
I'm very optimistic about the world though
I know
that there's a lot of evil out there
but some of us have to focus on the
positive things
what you seek is always seeking
you I'm a firm believer of that
so yes
yes amen to that
and the dog agrees too.
What kind of dog you have?
I have a rescue mutt. He is some sort of mix of something, probably an Aussie. And I know his mom
was like some sort of Chihuahua Terrier mix, but who knows?
He's cute and spunky and barking at me.
Kudos to you for rescuing one.
You know, that takes a lot of heart.
So just want to give you flowers to that.
Yeah, thanks.
I felt like, you know, this is had, this is not my first rescue.
I love dogs.
Um, I also rescued a couple of cats.
Um, I've got the, the void crew.
They're all, all black.
So I call them the void crew.
I'm not sure how that happened.
It wasn't on purpose, actually.
Literally, I just saw these two cute cats that were all black, you know, at Petco in
the little adoption spot.
And I called up the adoption agency and I said, give me these cats because they're adorable.
And they were like a bonded pair.
And I already had this like cute
black dog um who's like I don't know he's kind of medium-sized if you think about what a black
an all-black Aussie looks like he pretty much looks like that but skinnier um he's just thinner
in build but he's about the same same height but man he's got some energy he's definitely got the shepherd
in him um and and also that the the energy of a terrier like if he sees a mouse or a squirrel or
anything outside he's on it he's on it we live on a forest so um there's like critters there's critters all over the place
around here yeah i'm a cat lover myself i i actually also have like a rescue uh that i
have now but he's a siberian um got like a really long fur and bushy tail and just yeah yeah he's mad lovely and like again like a lot of
respect for what you did because you never know what's what happens to them if they don't get
picked up after a certain amount of time they just kind of like put them to sleep and things. So, yeah. I know. I heard actually because of bird
flu too, that swept a bunch of shelters, unfortunately, and killed a bunch of animals
that were, you know, because they're all in really close proximity to each other in the cages that
they keep them in the shelters. So, you know, that like broke my heart
hearing those stories. Um, and like, yeah, I mean, shelter, there's a lot of shelters that,
you know, kill the animals when they get too full or they can't adopt them out over a long
period of time. It was really kind of sad. Um, his, his mama was like picked up on the street in Mexico or something.
They have like a pipeline that comes all the way up to Washington from Mexico. And they get all
the animals from a shelter that otherwise euthanizes them in Mexico and brings them into the States to be adopted. And then, and then, like I said,
his, his, his siblings, his sibling, his cat siblings are, are one from, that was from a
local rescue that just found an abandoned litter of kittens.
And they were like the last two and very bonded to each other because they were a little older.
And so I took both of them because I didn't want to tear them apart.
And they've all become very good friends, the dog and the cats even,
and the guinea pig that we had before that
believe it or not oh that's a beautiful story um no yeah i like same i'm from new york so uh
like one of my friends uh like every every year before the summer starts she gets a bunch of cats that just comes to her place and she fosters
them and brings them to the shelter and then uh when i saw him i was like yeah don't don't pass
him on to the shelter i'm coming to pick him yeah yeah it was like love at first sight kind of story
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he's so cuddly, affectionate, and very sweet.
Like, you know, they'd say Merv is a talking cat.
Like, he talks too much, too, sometimes.
But to the point, sort of.
But yeah, his expressions, like, you know, he's like a special cat, in my opinion.
And yeah, he's a very sweet boy.
I love talky cats, by the way.
I think that's the most adorable thing when you can have a conversation with them.
And I swear to God, they know what you mean.
The brother, out of the brother and sister pair that we have, is, like, really talkative.
out of the brother and sister pair that we have is like really talkative. He's like the more needy
lovey one out of the two. They're both like really cuddly cats, but and take a surprising amount of
like cats usually don't like to be picked up by kids but i have i have four kids so um they love
it i mean they like cart them around all the time and they're just dangling there like no big deal
um and they they definitely have primaries one of our daughters is the primary for her um the boy cat um and and sleeps on her bed every night
um cuddling with her and allows her to like cart him around like a little baby um
it's the most adorable thing ever um yeah yeah but it does the same thing. Like, every time like, I'm like, okay, lights off, I'm jumping on the bed, like he'll come running, he'll be like, come on. And then what he'll do is he'll find my palm, and kind of like, just, you know, circle around and just put his forehead into my palm. And then, as long as I'm petting it, I'm, you know, scratching his ears.
He's good. The minute like I'm falling asleep and the scratching stops, he'll just wake up,
get up and then go by my feet. I love it. We always joke because like,
they're super friendly, but they like, they're definitely out of sorts when their primary is not around.
So they have they definitely have like their favorites.
They love everybody, but they have their favorites out of the family.
We have a big, crazy family.
Um, it's like a zoo around here with all the kids and the pets.
It's like a zoo around here with all the kids and the pets.
Uh, so, um, you know, we even, we even like adopted a, a fawn at one point that I found
wandering around the target parking lot and I was worried it was going to get hit.
I, you know, stayed with it for quite some time, hoping the mom would come back because
sometimes they do.
Um, but I knew that if I left, it was going to continue wandering
around the parking lot. And it was like clearly very young and new, like within two days,
the ecologist that I talked to said. So I brought it home. We live in a forest. So I brought it home
and I said, well, worst case scenario, like maybe, maybe another family will adopt it. It's like really rare. But again, if they can't reintegrate
them into the wild, then they euthanize them. So once I found that out, I was like, I'm not
taking it to the rescue. Like, especially considering it was just, you know, like barely walking and that sort of thing was very, very new.
And so we bottle fed this fawn for months.
How was the experience?
You know, I have to give it to my partner who is a saint because I brought the fawn home,
who we called baby and, uh, immediately left for NFT NYC for like a week. Um, and so I left him
with the kids and a brand new pet, like out of nowhere. And, and, uh, I, you know, I just made sure he, he had like, we talked to somebody about
how do you feed, how do you feed this thing? Like we, you know, they suggested goat milk is the
closest thing that you can easily get. So we, we got some of that and some bottles
and we learned about what else you need to do to care for the, for, for a fawn. Cause there's like some very specific things. And, um, you know,
he, he just like totally took to it. Um,
I came back and they were like really bonded and, uh,
and it was the most adorable thing ever.
At the time we had some spare rooms that we were going to gut anyway.
So we were allowing
baby to come in at night and shelter inside.
And, you know, we kept her safe for quite some time to the point where she was starting
to spend more and more time out and sleeping out at night. We don't know if she finally got adopted
by the family that had been in and out of, you know, like close to our house in the woods that
were bedding down there because she had been sleeping with them. So we hope that's what
happened and not that the coyotes got her, but we'll never know. So, you know,
it's hard to tell wild animals. Like the goal was to at least like try, you know, try. And so we got
that far, like hopefully baby's like around somewhere in this giant woods that we have
behind us. So, you know, like I can only hope, but,
but, you know, you can't unfortunately like protect them entirely from, from, you know,
other wild predators. Um, if your goal is to try to rewild them. Um, and unfortunately it's not
legal to keep a deer. Um, we were really worried that the authorities would
just come and take her and euthanize her um so like that's why rewilding her was like really
the ultimate goal um anyway it was it was a really uh interesting experience um Deers are surprisingly like dogs. I just go out back and call for her
and she'd come running to get her bottle. You know, it was pretty hilarious. And then I'd
bottle feed her and she'd be playing out with a dog. They like bonded and played together.
And it was super cute.
Yeah, it's kind of ironic.
Like when you kind of like put them in that environment,
like you've seen so many times a lion and a cheetah or like a tiger
because they are like a lion and a dog even like,
because they don't have to go hunt.
Their food is being taken care of. So like and then they just kind of like develop that bond.
I mean it's it's pretty crazy how that works out. Oh yeah definitely. I've seen it happen
quite a bit. Like I had I had the interesting childhood of like growing up going to my
grandparents house like out the middle of nowhere in the Siskiyous and uh you know there was a
native woman who was a friend of my grandma who um like was like her whole house was like
like a zoo of wild animals um that she had like collected and rehabbed
and some of them stayed and some of them moved on but she had a pet skunk and squirrel and like
all kinds of crazy stuff like that so I knew it was like possible you know because I had grown up seeing that with Bungie. And like, she, you know,
she was just one of those people that could just walk outside and animals would just come to her.
But she was like, really unafraid of even some animals that people would be super afraid of. I mean,
she was always super careful and she never actually got injured badly, but she just had
a way about her. So, and much more in tune with nature. I mean, living out in the middle
of nowhere like that and being native, like off reservation native, but out in the middle of nowhere like that and being native, like, like off
reservation native, but out in the woods, I think sort of cemented some of some of that,
like in touch with nature-ness.
So I was like, well, I don't know.
I know this can be done.
I'm going to figure it out.
Gosh darn it.
So, yeah, that was really, that was really,
I've rescued a lot of animals in my, in my lifetime. I've had rescued two dogs off the
street that I rehomed and a couple of cats that I found abandoned in a house.
So yeah, I keep, I keep, I don't know,
bringing more animals home.
At some point my partner might like get sick of it,
but you know, he made the choice.
It'll be time for you to drop him then.
Just put that in a note somewhere in the freezer.
Like the day you say no, I'm going to say no to you.
I'm so lucky.
I'm so lucky.
He treats me like a queen and he puts up with all my animal.
Bring home crazy, you know.
Maybe that's what draws him to you
possibly
my insanity
draws him to me I'm sure of it
yeah absolutely
I mean you know kindness is
something it's a gift
not everybody has it, right?
And I think you may not be a kind person.
Some of the people may not be kind towards some humans,
but when they see some pets,
they automatically kind of like melt in their hearts.
And that still is some kindness, right?
is some kindness, right?
There's so much to learn from those animals, too.
There's so much to learn from those animals too.
And I totally see, like, how, you know,
you have that giving, you know, like, aura around you,
like, nurturing and kindness and things like that.
So, yeah.
You know, thank you.
I appreciate that.
I just show up. I don't do anything special. Like, there's, there's, there's plenty of people that do way more saintly things out in this world. But I don't know, like, life is so much more fun when you're not, you know, when you're not focusing on the, all the bad stuff that's
happening. And I'm not saying that like, you shouldn't come out for supporting, like fixing
some of the wrong things that are in the world. But I have a strong belief that the way that you
do that is by building positive things, that it's a much more effective actual way to combat the bad stuff.
As opposed to, you know, directly opposing it, like, oppose it through action.
That is positive action, not just activism.
And I'm an activist. I interned in college with an activist organization.
I have worked at a bunch of nonprofits, but I am definitely that. But from a personal level, I've seen the difference between the activism that is effective in changing things, um, whatever it needs to be built
to, to, um, you know, move people in the right direction.
Um, and that's a much harder lift.
Yes.
Um, it's, it's really easy to go out with a sign one day, um, and then go home and live
your life normally.
It's like much harder to build something long-term that will continuously have benefits and change
a lot of people's minds and, and be positive for a lot of people.
But, but it's worth so much worth that work because you continue having an impact on people,
even when you're not there anymore.
If you build something.
Having been, you know, like a part of quite a few nonprofits.
Like, I still get the benefit of like, knowing that those nonprofits exist now because of a lot of the work that I did to help them
get started in the beginning. And then after that, like every person that they help,
I get the benefit of knowing I had a hand in that. Um, even though I'm, I'm not actively
doing anything anymore because I actively did something at one point. And so like, um, that is,
actively did something at one point. And so like, that is, that's the reward that you
get, you know, from, from doing the hard stuff. I don't know, I think that I also am a firm
believer that like, you know, I've had bad stuff happen to me in my life, but I've also
had so much good stuff happen to me in my life but it was definitely like a result of um coming back positively um from those experiences yeah I mean when you give you
receive um but there is there has to be no expectation there but if you do expect it it
becomes somewhat selfish or you know there is really like no meaning to what you do expect it, it becomes somewhat selfish or, you know, there is really like no meaning to
what you do. And then the satisfaction aspect of it that, you know, you were able to validate
a change in some positive way. And that, you know, like maybe from your actions, like this world can become a better place for other people's experiences.
And that, you know, as long as you are going towards the greater good, you are going towards
some higher power or spirituality, or you're going towards good. Let's just say that. So,
I mean, yeah, those are some of the things that I also try to focus on and
I mean you know there is things about manifestations if you think negatively only negative things will
sort of like happen in your life and you know you look past it and then you see the possibilities
or well you know there is a reason why things do happen and it could just be a test
and you know like or how do you overact overreact even in certain situations kind of like sets the
tone for the next day and and things to come in your life at the same time? You know, one of the things that I did when I was really ill
and dealing with how difficult that was really,
because for me, it was having the nerves in my pelvis
actually pinched from endometriosis,
which caused like all kinds of crazy things happened to my body
that was like very, you know, neurological in nature.
So like sometimes my leg would drag or I'd get a shake,
or sometimes it felt like my whole entire body was on fire. You know,
when nerves get pinched, it like really strange things happen,
especially the ones in your pelvis that are connected by,
by these other like longer nerves to the whole rest of your body.
And, you know, I mean, there were days I, that like I, that was all I had was the positive
things I could do potentially when I came out of whatever episode I was like in or being grateful even through that, like that I was at least like getting
some medical treatment and like I could have the surgeries that I needed to, to become
better eventually, um, that I was still alive.
Um, because, you know, at one point it perforated my bowel and that's what almost killed me um but like
have you know learning to practice gratitude on a daily basis that I sort of like forced myself to
do um in order to to get through that period of time in my life made it a reflex like once you do
it enough like it becomes a reflex in your mind, your mind's like a muscle.
And, you know, if you, if you practice something enough, it becomes, you know, second nature.
And so now I don't even have to, I don't have to go to my, my gratitude app anymore.
That's, that's how I started. I got started using a gratitude app years ago. And now I just
like every time something bad happens, I just, my mind always just goes straight to what do I have
to be thankful for? Because there's always somebody else in the world that has it worse.
And that's not to say that that's a, that there's some be somebody worse off in
the world.
But that's just to say, like, if you focus on all the negative things, you'll find something
to be unhappy about.
But if you focus on the positive things, you'll find something to be happy about, too.
That goes both ways. And some of the happiest people I know don't have much.
And, you know, like losing everything for me was like a big shock, but also something I was so
grateful for because now I don't have any expectations out of life. I am completely blessed in a financial
manner now, but I've been on the other side of that. And like, I think I'm so much more grateful
for everything that I do have because of that experience. So interestingly enough, when people
say, I'm sorry, you had to go through with that. I was like, I'm not, I am not sorry.
It was the best thing that ever happened in my life even though it was the hardest thing that ever happened in my life like uh and I don't know
like I'm here today so I I always like I have that part of it but yeah I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, especially the days I was stuck in bed, you know, barely able to move and feeling like every nerve in my body was on fire.
Like I learned to meditate away my pain because, you know, there's only so much you can do with drugs and especially when it comes to nerve pain
so you know I I learned a bunch of other skills too that like helped me on a day-to-day now
still even as a well person so I'm like you know I'll take the scars. I'll take the scars. Yeah, they definitely teach you,
teach you resilience, teach you strength, creates a different perspective about, you know, how far
you've come. And, you know, definitely humbles you as a human being. and kind of like the observation kind of kicks in and you know you are able to
observe life better and in other people as well so yeah I mean I recently went through something
similar last year in August I'm from New York and my neighbor caught fire electric fire in his apartment and the whole place had to be destroyed.
The FDNY came and got through the apartment, through my apartment and just destroyed the
whole thing. So I understand the losing aspect of it and I'm still not able to recover from it.
I'm kind of like in a shelter now in New York City.
So I'm operating from here now.
And then, you know, like...
You're building all of this from there.
Yeah.
On a phone?
Yeah, pretty much.
That's amazing.
That is so amazing.
Yeah. Kudos. Yeah. I i mean you know yeah it's it's something that i i love
very passionate i'm very passionate about cricket the sport and uh i play here i wish i could play
all day every day still you know but again uh sometimes parents they have different goals for
you and now if you look at some of the richest cricket players
uh they're making so much money playing cricket right uh the monetization aspect i'm like see
dad i could have just done that and you know i wouldn't probably have to suffer um you know kill
the the your desires or your goals or things of that nature but but yeah um i'm pretty much um uh
dissociated with uh from my family at the same time um lost my girlfriend during the same uh
period um as i had to move uh away and things of that nature so uh yeah uh it's just me and my cat and cricket for now for me and my Web3 family community that I'm building on. learning from you and, you know, kind of like you went through as well,
kind of like creates that hope, that positivity, optimism. And yeah. So,
you know, like they say in cricket, one ball at a time. So, so it's in life too now, you know, and I want to see how far I can take this.
And this is, this is like my legacy.
I remember when I first joined a club and there were some student visa players that had joined our club and they came to play.
They didn't even have cricket kits, right, because their financials are not so spread out and they don't work.
They're just here for school purposes. And
of course, when anyone from Southeast Asia finds cricket, they just start drooling. I was like,
oh, I want to play, I want to play, I want to play. So, and then in cricket though, like,
you know, sometimes you don't really want to share your, you know, gear because of hygienic
purposes and things of that nature but you know those
are the kind of things that that can be uh sorted out you know there's so much to do like magic down
there is from china uh building cricket in a developing country where cricket is an associate
nation sport there you know um and those are the things that kind of like gives me that self-belief
that, hey, we can achieve these things and we can make some difference out there with
this project.
So that's what I'm trying to build and just build crypto and cricket, unite the best of
two worlds and merge.
So, yeah.
I love it um just to give you an idea um to give you some hope um about how bad it was for me um i was i was like actually lucky enough to have you
know i had a startup that sold um so i i i had that to fall back on. But when you have a family
as big as mine, and I have four kids that are still at home, but I have five kids total,
and you suddenly lose your income, and you're only relying on that pool of money that you thought was your retirement. It went pretty quickly.
And we had to sell everything that we owned in order to pay the bills. My partner lost his job
because we weren't married. And the law says that, you know, you can take family leave if
your spouse is ill. But since we weren't married, it was totally legal for him to get fired over the fact that he had to take a couple weeks off in order to figure out childcare.
Because at the time I was staying at home with the kids, taking some time off after doing the startup.
That was really crazy.
crazy. We had to sell all of our assets because I was on private insurance, you know, paying for
it out of pocket, which was no problem for me because I had plenty of money after I sold the
startup. But like, again, that goes real quick, right? So, you know, we slowly but surely,
you know, lost everything while we're still trying to figure out what's wrong with me
and ended up in an apartment with five children. This tiny, like a 1100 square foot apartment with
five kids. And then COVID happened. We were stuck there. There's like no opportunities for jobs for him to get a new one after he'd lost his job.
And then the unemployment system in Washington state was hacked along with his account.
It took them nine months to get us any unemployment benefits for him.
unemployment benefits for him. By this time, like the medical bills, the, you know, having to pay
for everything out of savings, just all of it went, you know, like several years in, you know,
we had gotten completely broke. We like, at least there was Medicaid to fall back on. The only reason we
weren't homeless was because of COVID. Because they had changed the laws so that people couldn't
be evicted during that period of time. Otherwise, we would have literally ended up homeless.
But we came back from all of that, like entirely.
Like I live in a big, beautiful house on the Puget Sound now.
I absolutely love it.
I was able to take time off when my son got sick with cancer and he's well now, by the way.
But I was lucky enough to have that privilege.
So you're living where you're at right now and everything might seem a certain way, but I can hear the positivity in your voice.
Just keep at it. Like I've been there in the desperation.
I, you know, getting denied also by disability during that period of time was
really, really rough. They like surprised me with a hearing over the phone because of COVID.
They changed everything and they sent me a letter and I faxed something back to them because it's
the government. It's this crazy system. And I had a lawyer, but she wasn't available for that.
And I had just gotten out of surgery like a few days before. So I was like heavily medicated.
So they denied my claim and there's no way to appeal once you've gone that far.
Because once you get to the hearing stage, you've already appealed. So effectively,
there was like no way for me to go back from there except for to start from
the beginning and I was like okay so I've been paying into social security my entire life and
here I am completely disabled at this point and I can't get it and I've got these kids to take care
of and what the heck do I do like there's a certain point where I realized like nobody was going to come rescue me. I just had to figure out how to rescue myself.
And like, that's a tough place to be, but it's also like a really empowering place
to be at the same time when you realize that and you're like, okay, so it's me and me.
What can I do?
What do I do next? You know, I didn't figure it out
overnight, but I figured it out little by little, step by step, one day at a time, you know.
And, you know, four surgeries later, I was finally, you know, able to walk again.
Months, well, more than months, years, two years, you know, two years total.
But after like 18 months, I could finally run again.
Because, you know, before it was just like way too painful.
Because it was pinching my nerves. I couldn't do, I couldn't run at all. It was terrible. And there was even a period of time
I could like barely lift my arms above my head. Like my whole body was just so weak,
especially after I would, you know, the sepspsis it was like really bad so um I would
randomly pass out trying to trying to tie kids shoes like bend over and just pass out trying to
stand up um that happened on a regular basis to the point where I had to like wear a helmet around
just to like have a walk um because I was worried about hitting my head. I'd hit my head
like a few times pretty badly from passing out randomly. Today I'm completely healthy. I go on
long hikes. I'm back to like full steam activity. When I was in Denver for East Denver, I got a bike,
for East Denver, I got a bike, you know, one of those little rental bikes and biked around.
Like nothing stops me now. So like you can replace the things and you will eventually
and you're going to be it. Just keep the attitude you've got so positive.
Like that's, that's what will attract everything you need to be taken care of in life
back to you oh thank you um yeah i mean uh these are some of the experiences that also draws us to
uh kind of like understand it it's not just a coincidence that i stumbled upon this space right
not just a coincidence that i stumbled upon this space right uh there definitely has to be some
sort of like the universe uh guiding or you know kind of like creating some sort of pathway or
something i mean you know like i remember meeting magic um a few months back and we sometimes even
talk in the in the back end.
I was just scrolling through the spaces and I saw
Magic was here and then he had just recently sent me
that Gitcoin grants screenshots.
So I was like, all right,
let me go find out what's going on here.
And I've been quiet in the last two, three days because of the health, me being sick.
I guess like I got, I worked so much in the last four months, ran like 18 hour shifts, spaces to spaces and just, know trying to promote cricket coin and i guess my
body just caught up onto me and it's like no you just need to rest i'm gonna make you sick
so uh my immunity probably is shot and i was kind of like taking it easy so yeah i mean uh that's
that's the whole purpose how the universe works in mysterious way and coming across you like hearing
all the positivity coming from you kind of like adds more to you know like the the hope and uh
how how can how can i kind of like shape things from here in a way so greatly appreciate it
so greatly appreciate it oh i love it i love it when my my stories of woe and coming back and like
inspire people to keep keep down whatever path they're they've been on um especially when it's
been hard um i also fully believe that you know um sometimes we don't know as much you know how much we impact other people's lives when we
do like little tiny acts of kindness so um the dog wants to play ball will i'm i think i have
to leave you now actually he's definitely in the mode where he's like not gonna take no for an
answer and just bark at me until I pick up this
ball he brought me. I appreciate everybody listening to me ramble on forever. And I
encourage you all if you haven't been to the unlock protocol DAO server to come visit us there.
You know, Will and I are there on a regular basis as Estella that was on with us earlier.
And it's definitely a friendly place if you want to learn anything, not just about Unlock
Protocol, but about other things.
And I encourage you to like take a closer look.
take a closer look um unlock is like free to use at its base um the protocol is like a hundred
Unlock is like free to use at its base.
percent but the there is like some premium versions in the app um to help support the
the development of the app um on a continuous basis so so check that out and um you know let
us know if you have any questions about it um i'll be i'll be back
i'll be back to support the the let's grow for for you know i know i know some of some of the
other people are going to get tired of talking too so um you'll see me again y'all i appreciate
your guys nice meeting you angela sorry but i also noticed unlock is uh in new york city if i'm not mistaken
so i mean i'm in new york too so i mean that could be something really interesting kind of like
connect with unlock and unlock a few things with you guys to implement for maybe cricket
coin i don't know it's probably a huge possibility from here on.
We're always down to do partnerships.
It's really only the address and the original founder who's in NYC.
Otherwise, we're a completely distributed team.
And even the core team used to have one other person in nyc but doesn't now so um you
know even the core team's like super distributed um but that that shouldn't stop you from coordinating
with us because we have weekly meetings um at in the dow anybody is welcome to come by the way
any any one of you that wants to come check out Unlock. You know, we haven't commercialized Unlock. It's very been much been like a grassroots
sort of thing, but some of that's changing in the sense that like we realized that there,
we're at a point now where we need to do some things for sustainability sake.
We've seen the, such a great reaction to the different communities that we've been in.
And that has definitely helped.
But we knew we needed to get up on some centralized exchanges and stuff.
That's coming soon.
And that is going to help sustain, ultimately like open up a lot more liquidity for, you know,
people working in the DAO to help sustain the protocol ultimately. So, you know, come check
out the rest of the different things that we've got going on and how your different communities
might be able to work together with our different um you know uh
sort of like sub-dows we have committees that are you know working on on very specific things so
you know come say hello and let's see where where we can work together because you know it's this
network effect that helps us all succeed in this and um i'm here for all of it because i love
that part of this space so yeah don't find don't leave mind us and find me don't leave them oh okay
no just stay where you're at i'm gonna move you down before you leave the space is all from that that role. Oh, yes. Yeah. Hang on. Buck up your seatbelts.
There we go.
It was nice meeting you, Angela,
before you leave. Just want to
say that. Thank you for all
the wisdom
and knowledge.
But, yeah,
yeah, absolutely. well, same thing.
Yeah, absolutely.
Such a vibrant person.
Like, huge respect.
Yep, yep, yep.
Love and respect.
Okay, I gotta do something here.
In the background.
Here. I can see our next host.
It's also probably going to steward.
Just give me a second doing some management here.
There we go. Alright. Alright, we gotta get this set up for the rest of the night.
Because I know it's getting late for you there, Cricketcoin, in New York City.
It's what, 9.30?
Yeah, like around 9.37 to be exact.
Are you a 9-O?
Ever since the cricket project, yeah, I've been going to sleep like at 3, 4 a.m. in the morning now.
Just going from spaces to spaces in a way.
spaces to spaces in a way. Just kind of like working in the background at the same time
doing different things, content and all you also have to like show up and then there is also
different parts of the world, different communities kind of like pop up during the nighttime.
And because cricket is also like a major thing in countries like
india australia new zealand pakistan like that so i mean i try to kind of like tap into those
communities as well at late nights and uh yeah it's it's probably why i'm i'm so sick right now
uh with my immunity being shot because i i probably need like a heavy rest, like two, three days off or something.
Just sleep it off.
I don't know.
My body's like, you need to sleep.
And I keep pushing it.
No doubt, no doubt.
We actually have some, our next host will be joining us soon enough
is going to be um focused on health and wellness so you may want to tune on that
she's also a bit of a night owl herself even though she works a day job i don't know how
she does it i wouldn't be able to do it it. But, yeah, and then we have another part of our community here,
some of the other founders who right now, one is in Bangalore.
And so, yeah, they'll probably be coming on here in a couple, three hours as well.
And I know at least one of them is a big fan of cricket.
He actually plays in, like, intramural league in his community.
So, yeah.
Are you in GG23, by the way?
No, I have not joined GG23.
This is the first time I came across you guys.
Oh, gotcha. Yeah, I'll definitely check you guys out.
I would love to catch up
with the gentleman from
Bangalore. I do the same thing here
in New York. I still play cricket.
It's probably going to be exciting
to talk to him about it because he's probably
going to have so many questions. It's going to be exciting to talk to him about it because he's probably going to have so many questions.
So, yeah.
Yeah, it's going to be very cool.
Very cool when they get online.
So, like I said, it's 7 a.m. there now for them,
and we'll probably be getting on here in a couple hours possibly.
So, if you hop out, definitely check back.
But, yeah, if you want to learn about the Gitcoin ecosystem,
I mean, this is definitely the place to do it, right? You're going to be hearing over the course
of the next, you know, 14 and a half days about
these amazing projects that are building amazing things to
regenerate the planet and regenerate humanity.
Oh, that's really beautiful. I'm super happy that I was able to join you guys today and learn about you and what you
guys are doing.
I mean, you know, sometimes, like I said to Angela, when your goals are sort of aligned
and how, you know, things shape up or how you stumble upon certain communities or certain
individuals is what you have to pay attention to. And I like paying attention to those kind of
details. And I could see like it could benefit, you know, like both parties involved, like it could probably benefit cricket
or, you know, I'm not sure if it's GG23
or Gitcoin community that is,
or even unlock,
but I can definitely see something
that can be done through, you know,
uniting forces in the future, possibly.
No doubt, no doubt.
And Maciek is very familiar with Let's Grow DAO
and everything that it offers.
So if you're connected to Maciek, hey,
you got yourself a good guide there.
Oh, yeah, he's really amazing.
I love how we have interactions on different topics,
from Buddha to so many different aspects of life. And he really wants to learn cricket, so
I think it's going to be great.
Great.
Yeah, I think so too.
I'm going to send out some microphones.
So we get some other people up here in the space having a conversation.
Maybe even our next host wants to join us early.
I don't know how she's going tonight but uh we shall see what's growing on
yeah so uh before um someone else comes on the speaker uh i'd also like to take uh leave from
you guys for now and uh looking forward to join you in the next couple of hours or so, at least before I go to sleep.
You know, you guys are here.
I'll come in and say hello again,
and then we'll go from there.
But it was a pleasure meeting you all,
and see you guys soon.
Yeah, well, we're going to be here 24-7
until April 16th, so we'll be around for sure.
Damn.
I just have to say it. That's a big ask but that's a community
effort we have we have a dedicated community to make sure that the uh show stays on the air
as they say in the industry the night must go on or something like that the The show must go on. The show must go on. There you go.
Yeah.
All right, well, let's go.
And everyone and the listeners,
see you guys soon.
All right, we'll see you later click your coin look forward to some more conversations
Reef at Cartagena what's growing on down there
in Cartagena
so Reef invited you to speak too
and let's see here.
What else do we got requests out too?
Okay.
I know Maciek is starting his day in China.
And KF Media can't speak right now.
Pandemonium.
Haven't touched you in a while.
Bee Regen. Ooh, yeah. region life i like it i like it a lot right
generating the world one step at a time i like that what's that some kind of walk to earn maybe
Oh, there's my good friend Zen.
oh there's my good friend zen
GM, GM.
There you are.
Here I am.
Sorry about all the back.
No, no, no, no.
You have nothing to apologize for.
This is what grows on during these.
You got to kind of get getting the back channel acts.
We're getting the flow is what we're getting.
We're getting the flow,
the grow flow.
We're going to get in the grow flow for sure.
Yep.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
So I've been listening in most of the day.
It's been awesome conversations.
I'm liking some of the ideas.
Earlier, Jimmy and
Matthew were really having some
good conversations for
I guess it's Earth Day that they're
they're
they were talking about.
I was like, yeah. I think it's World
Free Day or something like that. Oh, World.
It was June 6th.
Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It's like World Free Day or that. Oh, world. It was June 6th. Yeah.
I don't know.
It's like the old free day or something.
Oh, okay.
I didn't know exactly what it was. I didn't hear that part, but I heard them coming up
with ideas. I'm like, this is going to be exciting.
Exciting stuff coming.
Yeah, because Earth Day is
the 22nd of this month.
Oh, okay. Sorry. I think Arbor Day is next week, maybe?
I'm not sure.
And you're eating dinner?
I was just finishing up.
I heard a little clank in there.
Sorry.
No, no, no need to apologize.
It's good.
Oh, Comfy's in the background
getting his together.
Let's grow!
Let's grow!
Tell that dude to get in this
space with us.
Did you hear that, Comfy?
Let me get some supper. He's like? Let me get some supper.
He's like, let me get some supper.
What's for supper?
Supper is baked chicken, brown rice, and green beans.
Nice.
Yeah.
It was really good.
I had mine about two hours ago.
Yeah, I'm eating way too late right now.
But, you know, I was doing the mob stuff as I do.
So prior to this.
Mob stuff and the W3WGs.
Yeah, Web3 web three wise guys.
That's so I'm glad they do it because they keep me informed.
They really do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Raise Roy.
go ahead.
grow ahead.
I have to,
I have to make sure I start,
you know,
using the grow lingo.
Lingro.
Yeah, you have to use the grow cab.
Oh, is that a word? Did anybody come up with lingro?
Lingro?
I don't know.
It's the lingro.
Huh?
It's like, you know, the lingro.
Yeah, I got you. We'll have to check with Centropic on that, who will be in here tomorrow night under his project account of Lucius.
He's the keeper of the grocabulary list.
I know, because Jimmy was saying earlier, if you come up with a word, that's, you know, lingro.
Yeah, I don't think we've said that.
We've always used grocabulary, but I don't think anyone's come up with Lingro in place of Lingo.
Lingro.
Like, what's the Lingro?
Okay.
You were here for it, Wilty.
I was trying to think of a word.
You can always go back to the timestamp.
Okay.
Exactly.
How's everybody else doing tonight?
I see faces that have been here
most of the day let's give them a hand it's kind of awesome you know I love
24 7 spaces because it kind of feels like you get to know everyone when you're
with them for 24 7 for two weeks like you're gonna like I'm gonna get to know
everybody and it's exciting start following some people and seeing what they're about you know if they're here
then they're my peeps oh yeah that's like the ultimate regen network you know that
very cool very cool oh everybody's got to make sure that they pace themselves, you know?
Yeah. Well, that's why some people take two days off after this.
I guess so. I mean, you've been at it all day long. We'll see.
Hey, it's a passion of mine. I know.
You're amazing. Thanks so much for giving me the little tutorial
so i haven't i haven't gone and done it yet but i figure after the space
um you know after my hour i'll probably go and do that so i'm gonna load up my wallet
and go check things out. Nice. Very exciting.
Yeah.
Also, while you're at it, since you're in a giving mood tonight.
Okay. Or tomorrow, whenever you decide to do it, please show some love to Pathways for LATAM on Giveth.
and if you do a minimum $5 equivalent contribution,
you get entered into a raffle,
which will be drawn, I believe, next week
for their community token,
which also you can use as a governance token voting
in the Giveth ecosystem.
And then you can also use those gift tokens when
once you get a healthy amount there's a couple different things you can do to
leverage those but one of the things you can do is you can use those as your
contributions growing forward I definitely want to support that now
giveth that's not someplace else I have to go yeah give us the us the IO, but I'll get the link for you.
I'll get the direct link for you for pathways from the top up in the garden.
I love what you're doing there with them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's awesome.
Yeah.
Marisha and I had a nice conversation last week in the DMS.
And so I'm just trying to get her more engaged to actually show her
how powerful this bypass is that we created, as far as I know, and no one else has created it.
But with that being said, to show her this, what it's going to mean to her community.
And then, you know, as far as I know, she's still teaching English.
So if they have understanding of English language,
they don't necessarily need to have Spanish,
but we will be translating all our content into Spanish too.
That's awesome.
You know, that's going to be a pretty big undertaking, but that's awesome.
Well, now with AI, will you be able to use AI to do that now?
We actually have an AI.
Give me one second.
I think I got the right person.
Oh, I do.
We are going to be using an AI to subtitle the videos.
So that's a start.
We have access to a chat GPT model through one of our Latam community leaders.
Latam community leaders. Her name is Monica and her team trained a version of ChatGPT specifically
for language translation. So all of our printed content we're going to run through there.
But then just to make sure that we got the translation just right and everyone spread
out from like Mexico to Bolivia to Ecuador to Colombia, you know, nuances and dialects and all that.
So we're going to hand off all of our translations to our human proofreading network.
And they're going to give us feedback on what corrections we need to make.
And then, boom, we'll go print and publish.
That's perfect because
there are a lot of nuances you know i mean i know ai gets it but you know there's there's things that
they might want to change so that's awesome that's great i'm excited for you yeah i'm excited for the
community and just what it's going to mean for community growth when we start getting into the second half of this year
because that's really what we're going to see
the explosion come from, right?
Because it didn't allow me to get down there,
host some IRL events,
really connect to the community,
and then bring them into our community.
And yeah, it's's gonna be really cool
that's great because it's it's i think it's much needed
you know so i think it's gonna be great just with the
it's with our you know latin bees i see how
you know that their their group is growing like
it's growing every day which is awesome and
you know this is just going to be an opportunity that's that's really well needed so that's great
yeah i don't have any soundboard so i'm just gonna have to give you a little
claps yay why don't you have a soundboard oh i don't know my phone i don't have an iphone oh that's right i forgot yeah yeah yes yes still
there all right it's all good um but i used to have a soundboard when i had an android but i
don't know every model's different so it's okay um yeah i have an old, long in the tooth.
All right.
Not up to date.
I'll do the clap for you.
There you go.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, so it's really going to transform the way we adopt in these developing countries, right?
Pathways from a time, which is now going to be, well, we've already established first use rights of it in a social setting.
So the new focus,
because we've got some African community leaders
wanting to tap in and learn about this
and how it can benefit their communities as well.
So now the new program
that Pathways for LATAM
will roll up into
will be
are you ready
let's get a drum roll here
Pathways for Global Adoption
that's nice
it's already pinning trademark
and the bus is working on a logo
awesome
this is what we want right
we want worldwide adoption
this is great
but of course you know we also have to understand
and be sensitive to the dynamic
of the citizens in these communities
because a lot of them right now even though you know how we teach you know we teach more on the value of their
participation right rather than the financial implications of it as the first conversation
now we can have those conversations later on down the road once they get some understanding of
you know how they can um how they can define the value of their participation, right?
We're more than happy to have those conversations with them.
We just don't want it to be the first conversation because we want to have responsible level expectation setting to begin with.
It's how we build trust, right, after all.
So that being said, they're looking for a replacement of their current
currencies that they transact with on a daily basis without losing their
purchasing power, right?
So we're also working with a couple community leaders in Bolivia that want to use the same wallet solution that we tapped into for this to kind of create their own community currencies.
Or, you know, maybe it's widespread across the country.
but to create a currency that's a replacement for their standardized currency right now
so that they have a way to transact in a more decentralized way
oh i hit my mic twice sometimes i do that i double tap that's really good i'm really excited for this
I double tap. That's really good. I'm really excited for this.
You know, I don't sound excited. I'm sorry.
No, you're fine. You're fine. And we just had, uh,
Tricky Buddha with DeFi Space Donkey.
Let's show up to the space.
It's Tricky Buddha from DeFi Space Donkeys.
Yo, the funny thing is I'm over here live on
the on the stream labs right like and I'm wondering like where is everybody
I'm missing something here so but also really into the meta rise launch that's
going out right now like meta rides are minting right and I know this is gonna
mint out fast so I'm like really into this we're kind of tuning into the
meta rides thing and and we're live on stream labs
So we are live but I just not with you guys
Like I'm glad I popped over here. I was like there you guys
You know the instructions weren't 100% clear
But I got a really nice tutorial on stream labs and then was just like yeah, this looks all self-explanatory
But yeah, so how you self-explanatory. But yeah. So how are you guys doing?
Good to see you, Will.
Good to see you too, Tricky.
Yes, Dream Labs Talk Studio would be your entry point to get into our video studio.
But if Jimmy's asleep and because the last session rugged and he doesn't have his PFP in here as a a speaker uh yeah the video broadcaster is going to be a
little dead right now yeah yeah well so there's yeah so there's a video there there's a live on
x right now um with with his but it just it does show me live on x with through jimmy's profile
so like i'm over there and i'm over here now but now we're all one party so that makes a
little more sense oh good oh good so uh yeah i know you were supposed to come in like an hour
ago but i understand you're busy and and we appreciate the help and support uh zen degen
is going to lead us this next hour on a health and wellness journey and i don't know zen djen is this going to be like
replicative of what you covered earlier today on your own wellness wednesday show
well it's um i can go with the flow with the growth flow so whatever it turns into i'm up for it
i'm here for it all right well then Well, then let me ask Tricky a question right now.
Tricky, when you're feeling your batteries drained and your energy levels low, how do you regenerate yourself?
I've got a bunch of herbal teas that I've been going hard on.
I really love the variety of herbs that from like around the world so it's like 16 different herbs potty alcohol bark white willow wild yam licorice root a little chamomile and then i'll actually
brew that with some coffee beans and make a latte out of it with like 20 grams of protein
from like collagen peptides so it's super easily absorbable nutrients and then I can kind of it seems to reduce stress I've got Crohn's disease so
when stress hits my body it hits it really hard like I've been passing blood for like the last
week but you know I try not to like I try not to dwell on that shit too much but um it's draining
I have chronic fatigue so getting like some good herbs and good food and then some good sleep, that's key.
But other than that, I just surround myself with the most positive people who are doing cool stuff that it just keeps me distracted.
I love to learn.
So being out and teaching the positivity hack to kind of keep your brain wired properly.
Your brain's a muscle basically, right?
So are you training it to lift what?
Are you training it to lift happiness or training it to lift depressed?
And whatever you do, you're going to get really good at.
So you better pick which one you're practicing, right?
And sometimes you just got to interrupt that negativity and go positive go super positive and i it felt corny at first and but and it was literally a joke
at first it was just so goofy and now i just can't stop laughing when i do it that's why my intro is
the way it is you know that uh that actually spawned from whenever uh you were playing Call of Duty and the microphone would go live,
I would say a joke.
So that way, like, it would just crack me.
People wouldn't be expecting it.
Because on Call of Duty, when you, like, kill someone,
they get mad.
And so they're usually cussing you out or something.
It's not usually the most positive thing.
And I was playing the game to, like,
kind of get out of my body a little bit,
not feel like the, you know, the pain and stuff. So I'm like, then it's becoming more anxiety. I'm like, the better I get playing the game to like kind of get out of my body a little bit not feel like the you know the pain and stuff so I'm like this then it's becoming more anxiety and like the better I
get at the game so I started telling jokes and then when I figured out how that keeping that
joke in your head and I kind of like always having like this little giggle in the back of my mind
like I'm gonna tell them this they're not gonna they're not gonna see this one coming you know
that just it made me be so much more positive I I was like, this is a, this is it. This is like the key right here. Like I was super
depressed and I, I never realized how depressed I was until I wasn't right. And then I was like,
Oh damn, this is a, this is brilliant. So I became a positive hidden chronic illness advocate,
you know, explaining my journey through the medical system and stuff with Crohn's over like 15 years. And just, you know, explaining that hack. And right at the same
time, the NFT boom from last cycle in like 2021 had, you know, basically got a lot of people
interested in making NFTs. Someone hired me to make a collection of nfts we ended up making defi space donkeys
and when uh i got basically left with the project it was like an immediate cto and instead of being
artwork now one of those nfts is an hour of my time and membership in the club right and i've
developed this club into this into what it is now it's like almost 370 people in it a lot of artists and musicians and
I had 30 sponsors for my event last Miami including Cheech and Chong my homies in dreamland so like
I feel like I made it you know like I don't know where this came from it all basically just came
from positivity but all these things just kind of happened at the same time so one day I was
playing the game and I got shot and I just said you know
I've never no one's gonna understand what a DeFi space donkey is if I don't say it so when I got
shot I just go DeFi space donkeys and that kept that up for four years and here we are so it's
burned into everyone's brain it's probably one of the best marketing gimmicks in the industry right now, inadvertently,
because I do it to make me giggle and ease the stress.
I went to college for a long time.
I got multiple degrees in finance and management and real estate.
And I thought maybe I'd need more speech classes because I was always so nervous public speaking.
I know I was just depressed and I had chronic anxiety, untreated. You know, that's what it was.
So once I went through all these health issues and it gave me that perspective,
right, of what's really a bad thing and what's, you know what I mean? When you feel like you're
dying, anxiety doesn't really pale in comparison anymore, It just kind of gave me perspective for like,
what is really worth worrying about.
Right.
And when it comes down to it is that none of it's worth
worrying about, worrying doesn't help anything.
And being positive is everything.
I mean, look at this,
the placebo effect is completely based off of positivity
and hope and it's a mark and it's actually a notable
percentage of like to the
fact that some medications aren't even better than the placebo and then they can't sell them
so that's why you see these horrible commercials with like all these like side effects and
disclaimers afterwards it's just like well they they've signed a business plan that's included
marketing and even if it's a shitty product they still have to make the commercial but i also have
to include all that stuff so don't buy those things just up to an including step in some yeah exactly oh my god if you hear any of the the treatments for
crones on tv the last 30 seconds is just like wait what are we what are you even advertising
anymore you lost me like because like yes so many um terrible things it's like there's no way that i think people
would see that commercial the average person would be like how bad is crones if people are
still taking this medication like how is this even a thing but yeah so to answer your question
herbs herbs and sleep nice i love it like that's a lot of it so we need to plant more herbs everywhere you can plant them in the windows
so you know you can use you can use the desk tamp desktop lighting to to grow your own herbs
and there's a lot of them that are really helpful out there like simple ones like oregano but all
kinds of things all the way up to like I I never knew what Patiaco bark was,
but it's a good like pain reliever and stuff.
And then I have an energy version with a stinging nettle leaf in it
and gunpowder green tea.
So it's got like caffeine and stinging nettle,
which is like a stimulant that like opens your eyes
without like as much heart palpitation.
So you can have like a little bit less caffeine.
And then the nighttime one doesn't have those things in it, but it has same base and then it's got mullein which is a muscle relaxer and
skullcap which is a sedative so it kind of knocks you out and keeps you from waking up all the time
throughout the night i might get up once in the night but that's it it used to be i'd be get up
like every five like five six times a night you waking up. No, it just kind of keeps me asleep.
So I'm hoping to put that into like liquid form this year.
You know, make that a – it's been something I've kind of been working on
this recipe for like two years right now.
So it's interesting.
So like as a tincture?
Yeah, it's like, well, it's a T.
We would set – like right now it's –
But I'm saying you hope they make it in liquid
form so more like a tincture yeah yeah well like i mean like it'll be a green tea you know in a in
a can basically or a bottle um and then the nighttime one would be like a chamomile tea but uh yeah it's been uh it's been interesting to like just do the dive on herbs and stuff but
i got certified to be a personal trainer like out of high school and nutrition was a big part of
that and i was trying to be a bodybuilder and i just couldn't get bigger than like 165 and
and i didn't know i had crohn's you you know, and I didn't really have food allergies
yet until I was like 25. I didn't have any food allergies. So I just was like, why can't I get
bigger? This is weird. I remember one time I was, I was around my friends and I opened the gym,
world gym in Boca. So they had the keys and I would open it up first thing at like four 30 in
the morning, open it at five. So like for for a half hour i would just basically work out you
know and then and then i'd work out throughout the day if it's a slow day but i'm sitting around
with my friends and they're like 260 280 one's like 320 and we're all like working out with like
the same weight and and then i'm like you know this is stupid i'm a benching i'm like working
out with the same stuff as you guys but like you guys are all like double the size of me, we're all like almost the same height. Some of them were a little bit shorter, but they were
like, they were just, they were huge, you know, like they packed on the muscle and I was eating
tons of food. It just wasn't sticking. Um, but I remember that was funny. Cause they're like,
just like, there's no way you're lifting the same as us though. And I'm like, no, actually I am.
Like I'm, I'm, I'm right there right there with you guys and I put like 305
on the bar I was like my max is 295 so I put 305 on the bar just to like try something heavier and
I did that and they were just like what the hell and I'm like yeah this doesn't make any sense
but thank god I did that because I wasn't able to work out for like a good 10-15 years almost
and it just kind of you know I didn't like totally atrophy.
It wasn't totally useless.
You know what I mean?
Like if I wasn't in good shape,
it would have been really hard to recover
from my knee surgeries and all that other stuff too.
So it kind of worked out.
But also that's why hidden chronic illness advocate,
because sometimes you can't tell someone's sick.
I looked healthy enough that the doctors
just would give me like anxiety meds and depression meds. Like the first four years they were seeing me. That's all it was.
I was just like, what the heck? In the end, they got a blood test that had like five or
six genetic markers. It's like, yes, you have Crohn's disease. But it took forever to get
that testing done. And the insurance doesn't want to cover it. It's just a pain in the
ass. The medical system, it has a lot to change like in order to to really be efficient and
if you're just part of like the 0.1 to 1 percent like you're kind of in a tough position you know
i know i'm an outlier uh you know allergic to milk and wheat with crohn's and fibromyalgia and
all these other issues it's just definitely an outlier.
So it's hard to identify, you know.
So I can't blame them, but at the same time,
man, I think we could do better.
I'm hoping AI can help connect more dots.
And if we have blockchain, like, medical records
that are not, like, verified to IDs
and, like, pictures of faces and stuff, you know what I mean?
Like, of course, I've got my x-rays as an NFT called Totally Screwed
because it's got two screws in the shins.
And so you'd be able to tell real quick
whose medical records are what, right?
And I've got full body CT scans.
So my metal records are basically
just pictures of me naked.
And then I made my x-rays into NFTs.
So probably, I mean, this would be a total invasion of privacy at this point.
But there's certain like numbers and stuff, like the numbers from the blood tests and like the, you know, the correlation with the genes, like all that stuff could be, you know, randomized to a number instead of an ID.
And then not, you know, they don't need to put the pictures on the net, on the blockchain.
Well, and more importantly, right, that could be all secured with CKTs, right?
I'm a big gadget for Zeno-Altic Cruz.
And there is a...
Yeah, and then you authorize exactly what information they're allowed to learn.
Right.
Yeah.
Right, exactly, exactly.
Yeah.
But then also, i met this guy
who turned me on to lion's mane when i was in tulum back in december and they actually are
doing brain imaging scanning for their um for their project that they're working on, which is partly to solve, like,
why do people have irregular circadian rhythm patterns sometimes, right?
Things like that.
So they're actually securing those on the blockchain.
And, you know, HIPAA is a very,
in the U.S., is a very obtuse organization because everybody says, oh, it's because of HIPAA.
It's because of HIPAA.
Here's your HIPAA privacy form when you go to a doctor or whatever, right?
But nobody ever tells you that there are no set regulations on HIPAA, and you don't know if you violated a HIPAA regulation until you actually violate it. Like, you don't have to ask
permission from HIPAA of, like, can I disclose this information to a certain party, right?
So, yeah, but if you violate it, of course, they're going to come after you for it, but
you don't know that you're in violation until you actually violate it. It's kind of like how
food allergies work, right? Because you don't know you're allergic to food until you actually eat the food
because we don't have qualified testing for food allergies, at least in this country.
Yeah, because we have like the prick test on the back and then they have the blood tests,
but they still just pick up like histamine responses as well. So for me,
like with Crohn's, it'll just tell you everything I ate in the last three days.
You know, because it's basically if I eat anything more than like for a day or two in a row,
at the third day, it'll make me sick, like and too too high in histamines, like even
too much bananas or even leftovers have a higher histamine amount than the original meal.
So there's a whole bunch of things that cause stress in your body that you don't realize is actually even there.
But when you're chronically ill, you figure out all those things quick.
You got to minimize that stuff or else it just takes your energy away fast.
You know, it's I used to have like unlimited energy from
working you know working out all the time and it's like the more you work out
the bigger you kind of build your batteries and then when you get
chronically ill or have an autoimmune disease it's just I've got like 15
minutes in the tank and that's about it like after that I'm just I'm I need to
sit down this This is done.
I haven't lifted weights in so long.
Like, I can't remember the last time I lifted weights.
Every once in a while, I'll do like a pull-up or a push-up, but that's about it.
Maybe take 10 or 20, but that's it.
Go ahead.
Oh, no, I was just going to talk to Zed and DJ.
This kind of ties into the conversation
we were having on Wellness Wednesday last week
where we don't have a health care system
in this country
we have a disease care system
and it is designed to keep people
ill and unhealthy
yeah
or else they would just teach us really good nutrition
in schools we would know about these herbs
I wouldn't have to figure them out on my own you know what i mean like that's that's dumb as hell
like what i'm prescribed obviously oxycodone but never heard of these herbs until like i thought
you know like what the heck like this is crazy it's crazy i went through i went through a similar
situation i was talking about it on the space last week as well, you know, where I was just getting chronic, chronic infections, like ear infections, sinus infections. And I finally just
got fed up because all they wanted to do is give me antibiotics and steroids. And I'm like, I'm
tired of just the math, you know, like they're just, they're just not getting to the core of
the problem. And that's when I went down the rabbit hole of alternative medicine and at the time I was looking for something that was really gonna get to the root of my problem
instead of just putting a band-aid on it and you know all those steroids and antibiotics were
were like wrecking my body and and my gut like horribly so I just started researching and just
reading about different and I chose Ayurvedic medicine at the time
Because you know their philosophy was to get get to attack the tox toxins like it's like
That's that's what it was all about was like ridding the body of toxins
But you have to do it slow because if you don't then you have a healing crisis
So, you know, I went down this rabbit hole and I started seeing a doctor that was, you know, a holistic, um, Ayurvedic doctor
and it, it really helped me. I mean, my allergies are so much better today and you know, it's,
it's, I, one of the things I wanted to mention when you first started talking was about how you
chose, you know, know to to focus your
brain you can retrain your brain and people don't realize that we can do this
though you know we have neuroplasticity which is the ability of changing and
adapting throughout our lives and I give you so much credit for you know not
feeling well but realizing that you know just trying to change like people,
like, I understand what you're saying. I'm sorry, I'm rambling. But I understand what you're saying
when it's like, kind of like people think it's a joke, when you start just trying to be positive
and trying to like laughter is amazing for your immune system. And they, you know, people think
it's a big joke to like use affirmations and kind of just try to retrain
your brain because, you know, we can rewire our brains, our brains, you know, have neurons and
receptors. And if you keep doing, like, if you keep feeding it negative thoughts, you read,
there's a cycle. So there's like thoughts get really good at the negative. Yes. And your body starts to actually, our bodies are miraculous.
So they give us what they think we want because we're doing, you know,
if we do the same thing over and over, it's going to say, okay, this is what,
you know, for me, it's like, this is what's in D.J. wants. So it's a, you know,
your thoughts create chemicals, then the chemicals create recept, you know,
your receptors in your body are looking for those chemicals.
So then your, so then your body's going to actually make you think those thoughts to
keep that going.
It's like a vicious cycle.
Well, you can change that by just interrupting those thought processes like you did and
making light of things.
And then all of a sudden now those chemicals, those good chemicals
are going to be, you know, produced in your body. And then your receptors are going to start looking
for that. And it's, it's, it's, it's literally possible to, to retrain your brain and rewire
brain. And now you're in a different cycle all the time, which is a, you know, pop more positive,
more beneficial cycle. So I love that you, that that's how you chose to just start, you know, pop more positive, more beneficial cycle.
So I love that you, that that's how you chose to just start, you know,
just do it just by laughing. And every time I see you, I think of your,
your intro and I laugh. So yeah, it's amazing.
That's my, that's my superpower.
I can make you laugh from around the world by typing my intro into a text box.
Love it. Love it.
Love it.
And you hear it in your head.
It's not like you just read it.
When you read it.
I hear you say it.
I hear you say it.
Whatever I say here.
Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous.
I love it.
Turn up the silly.
But it makes me smile every time. So that's awesome. So here you are just, you know, saying that that little saying that you say, and now my endorphins are going and it's like you're doing that for everyone.
So that's amazing, you know, because like smiling just has so many chemical reactions in your body that people just don't don. Just laughing and smiling. There's so many
good endorphins and good chemicals that come out of that. So thanks for doing that for
the masses because you do that every time.
I appreciate it. I mean, and that's exactly what I, when I realized how powerful
this was, I was like, I can't not give this back, right? Because it was so hard for me
to understand it, especially because it was so
difficult. I thought I was relatively intelligent, but it took me a long fucking time to figure this
shit out, all considering. It took me a good 10 years of going through chronic pain and to the
point of feeling totally useless. And I was like, fuck it. Let's get these double knee surgeries on
both legs out of the way. New tendons on the quads and the fulcrums and osteotomy on both legs.
It's never a convenient time to get double knee surgery on both legs.
You're never going to be like, yeah, this is the right time.
But I was so useless and at the bottom of this pit that I did that.
And then that gave me a little bit of hope.
And then I just could, after 10 years, I just couldn't take it anymore.
It was like, this is either going to kill me or like something's got to change.
Like right fucking hell.
Yeah.
And it's unfortunate that a lot of us have to wait till we get to that point before we
try to make these changes.
And this is, you know, I do a Wellness Wednesday space on Wednesdays at 12 EST.
And that's what we talk about a lot.
It's like, you know, you have to get past the uncomfortability. And unfortunately we get so
complacent with our uncomfortability that, you know, we're just so sick and tired of being tired.
But if you start just one little, you know, one little change can start that ball rolling. And I love
your, I could speak to you about herbs all night long. Like when I started going to an Ayurvedic
doctor, that's where I started switching, you know, for herbs. And people don't understand
that the difference between herbs and medicine is that there's so many benefits and rarely is
there a side effect. I mean, you have to know your herbs, of course.
Yeah. And the herb is like a bunch of different essential oils and nutrients and minerals. And
medicine is usually an isolated compound, sometimes two or three compounds, but usually
just like one chemical compound that they've like statistically isolated to be relatively
beneficial. But in most cases, there's a lot of the other parts of the plant that are helpful. Sometimes there's like one part that's toxic and then the rest of it's not toxic.
So we have to like refine it in order to get the good part out. And that's why like historically
people don't mess with it so much. But a lot of these herbs, when you mix them together in the
appropriate ratios, you can make delicious teas that, you know, can do all kinds of amazing things.
But I mean, the power of your mind is, is just ridiculous.
And I love what you said, Will, about the mushrooms, lion's mane, reishi, turkey tail,
quarter sips.
I had a bunch of different mushrooms that I was trying to include in my tea.
But the problem is if you make an energy drink, you know, what's going to happen, right?
Some guy's going to add vodka to it, right?
So, so if you, but if you add alcohol
and mushrooms together, they become a little bit extra toxic. So it's not the best idea for that.
So I would, that's why I would still recommend them, but I would sell them as separate products
because I don't want someone to throw a vodka in my energy drink and then get mushroom toxicity.
throw a vodka in my energy drink and then get mushroom toxicity.
It doesn't, now they're getting an extra hangover.
But, you know, if without the mushrooms,
I feel like the nighttime tea is a really good hangover cure too.
I mean, we had a, we had a, I went through my,
like my 80th hurricane in Florida this last time and it got bad.
It was like a, you know, high category four,
almost a five where when it hit us.
And I drank like a handle of
tequila that day. I was up. I was up like for the whole day because the wind was blowing the whole
time. There was one point like water coming through the wall. But, you know, we in Florida,
that's what we do. We have a hurricane party. Right. And I drank. I drank a bunch of my tea,
went to sleep, woke up feeling like a million bucks and was just like, that was the most
bizarre hurricane ever. I was so out of it. But also I feel great the and was just like that was the most bizarre hurricane ever like i
was so out of it but also i feel great the next day like that was amazing how is that possible
because i had to totally give up drinking for a while um you know just with all the health issues
if my body's like stressed out i can't i probably know i got to cut back on everything that's like
i can't even have too much sugar. Alcohol turns into sugar too.
That's probably part of the problem.
Everything just kind of
inflamates.
Anything that causes inflammation
is going to build exponentially.
I know I have to limit myself.
I'm glad I learned what I've learned,
but man, it's hard to do.
Especially when the doctors are just trying to sell you compounds.
It is. And a bus down in the in the audience.
Now, we've had several conversations about this, that unfortunately, you know, you got to try to find a doctor that's on the same.
the same, at least the same pathway or respects your opinion about things because, you know,
they just, you know, they one size fits all.
And that is not, you know, we are unique.
Each person is different and you have to find somebody who's going to respect your, that's
why like the holistic doctors, I think they take everything about you into consideration
before they, you
know, come up with even a diagnosis or a prognosis. Like you said, it took so long for you to be
diagnosed with what you have, you know, because they, they're just, you know, it's a shame. I
mean, I don't know if it's a systematic thing where they just have so many patients. I don't
know what it is. And honestly, they didn't diagnose me. I eventually found a couple different genetic tests.
And the one that found out that I had Crohn's in the end was Prometheus Labs out of California.
And it wasn't covered by insurance, but I found this little program where it was reduced price.
And I was like, I got to do this.
Maybe they can find, with genetic knowledge, maybe they can find something.
And they're like, yeah, you've got five of these genetic markers that say you have Crohn's
disease, you know? So like they had to call my doctor and my doctor had to like, it wasn't allowed
to like leave a message. So I'm like, oh, okay, well, I know that's good. That means they found
something, you know? Right. Right. And that's what sometimes you have to think out of the box. Like you just can't, you have to kind of, I know it's tough when a person feels that sick to know,
you know, to, to take that step, but it's,
it's the most important step you'll take, I think.
And the other thing about when you're using, you know,
natural remedies and things like that is that you have to be patient. You know,
people are so used to allopathic medicine because like right away it's going to take the symptom away and they think that that's what they need
because they immediately kind of feel better you know they in quotes feel better but it's just kind
of taking away the symptoms and short-term short-term right exactly long-term anyway so
right yeah so i just i always try to tell people like if you're going to embark
in going an alternative way just realize you're going to have to be patient because
you're you're getting to the underlying issue you know and sometimes work a lot of things out
backwards and then and then add stuff in and give it a month to like see what happens like i actually
had to like take this tea for about like well the first week, I was like, well, I already feel noticeably better.
And within a month, I woke up one day and I was like, oh, I can actually stand up all the way.
My stomach's not just completely cramped up.
I'm like, well, that's crazy.
crazy but that's amazing because i just i've been like that for like 10 years
But that's amazing because I've been like that for like 10 years.
uh so then after after about six months i was like this has got to be a product you know
now here we are two years later and i'm like okay i've got this dialed in my family won't
live without it like you know they're calling me when they get i told them maybe before you run out
you make sure you call me so you don't have to be without it my mom's been drinking this stuff for
probably two years now and um yeah so you're actually going to commercially like produce this
yeah i'm going to make this into liquid like cans or bottles here soon maybe i'll partner with like
nft energy or something like that or they got a lot of people in the community that are doing stuff in liquids.
And I got a couple other people who I, you know, they made like sauces for their wings.
They had like a wing place in South Florida and they made all their sauces in liquid.
Those are liquids, obviously in bottles and put those in Walmart.
So I've got a couple of connections with people at Walmart and then also 7-Eleven.
So between those two stores in the U.S. and the U.K.,
I think we have a pretty good distribution network.
And then I will have all DeFi space donkeys will be ambassadors
and have an ambassador code so they can get 10% of the sale
or the profits or whatever from their sales.
And then we'll just grow it organically.
I've got like 370 people in this club and I know at least a hundred, 115,
maybe as much as like 180 of them would probably use that code.
There's 200 people in our, in our DM group on Twitter.
I have to delete, I have to kick people out in order to let people in.
Well, I need to,
I need to get together with you because I had no idea that this was something
that you were doing. So this is exciting.
Yeah. I want to make this into a thing this year i mean red bull spent 350 million dollars to
advertise their shitty drink and then they made a billion dollars with it like that's that's
ridiculous and it tastes horrible yeah and it leaves and it leaves it depleted and it doesn't
like make you feel better it leaves you depleted like It doesn't make you feel better. It leaves you depleted.
I'm going to sell this as an energy drink and a sleep aid.
And then with the anti-inflammatories and natural pain relievers, we'll just see how it helps people.
I think that if that's the option compared to an energy drink, I don't know why anyone would drink an energy drink.
And I got this price down way far too.
It used to cost us about 350 bucks
a month for you know for a month's supply um and i've gotten it down to like 50 60 bucks for my
cost so it's way way cheaper i'm like now's the time to do it um yeah i'm excited i'm getting
excited about it honestly i think it could be a really good opportunity to you know but maybe
we'll just do it as
a charity.
I mean, I started off as a charity component as basically just a charity, like the first
five people who we send it to were going through chemo.
They had actually all had breast, all five of them had breast cancer and we're going
through chemo actively.
And we're like, all right, we're going to send you this tea.
And we had the best review was, I feel like I'm on crack.
I have more energy than I've had in 15 years.
I'm like, that's the greatest review ever.
It's like, did you put crack?
What's in this?
That's great.
I'm so excited for you.
Yeah.
I'm excited for this, for this, this herbal combination, because like you said, when you, when you get those right,
you know, when you get them right together, it's just crazy how those plant flavonoids just,
you know, they work and it's, it's just awesome. Yeah. I've taken out like everything that could
possibly interact with anything, you know? So it's like super simple now i'm like confident and that it would be safe for like
everybody you know but um man it's been a it's been a wild journey and i just it's i never would
have imagined i'd be where i am now at any like even a year ago or two years ago three just every
year that you go back i would just be so much more shocked if you told me i am here now doing
everything i'm doing
like in this space. There's just such a crazy network of awesome people doing all kinds of
cool things. And now I really feel like almost anything is possible. Like anything we want to
make or build, we, we know people for that. Like that's, it's so cool. So I just got to, you know,
hire the right people to do it and let them do their thing, you know?
Yeah, absolutely.
And, you know, coming back to the whole let's grow live thing, it's like, you know, regenerative farming because you know we need to
have we need to have those those products available we need to have the herbs and the spices and things
and our food and you know that's the, how can I put it?
They, they work out,
they do all these things that, you know,
are physically good for them. And then what they're ingesting into their body is like so detrimental to
them.
It didn't product out.
It's crazy.
I watch all these people that, you know, on the outside,
they look so healthy, like they look great.
But you hear all these things like you're saying, I've never, you know, I've never heard of so many people that I know that have like irritable bowel and they have all these gut issues.
And, you know, they're just having a lot of issues and they're they're not realizing that, you know, the food you're eating, food's medicine, and they're
not really realizing that that's the first place that they really need to start looking
is what they're putting into their bodies and on their bodies.
I mean, it's like-
Everybody is different and that's part of the problem too, right?
It's like you make a meal for a family and everybody is different.
So when I make a meal, I make something that's safe for me.
And then I add cheese to it and give it to my wife.
You know, that's basically what happens.
So, but it's different for everybody.
You're going to like this.
So I, when I got to my house, I made a pond and put like a bunch of fish in there, some koi.
some koi and then I made a hydro garden with like lettuce and stuff like that and then there's fruit
And then I made a hydro garden with like lettuce and stuff like that.
trees navel orange lemon lime Persian lime Meyer lemon key lime we had grapes we had sweet potatoes
oh about 50 different types of produce outside and the only thing that didn't work was the broccoli
broccoli will not be good in Florida it'll get get moldy. It's just too humid here.
Don't try to grow broccoli or apples here. It's not going to work. Even if you try the
tropical apples, it's just a no-go. And then I had another 16 strains inside, but that's
another conversation.
No, that's great. It's great because that's what i was just saying on my space today that like
i'm so behind in my getting my plants you know started some of them i should have had them
started already and getting things in the ground we're having that weird i'm in the northeast so
we have we're still in that you know hot cold hot cold so it's not really ready to put everything
outside yet.
Right on the line still kind of like waffling between winter and summer. Yeah.
Yeah.
We've had two days of summer here in Florida so far. So it's,
we're almost there because we got, the rains are coming back. So it's,
it'll probably be there in like three days to a week. You'll be able to plant everything,
start everything inside with under fluorescence.
Yeah, that's what I i that's what i'm
behind on so i'm like i gotta get out this weekend and get everything that i need to get that started
you know but yeah um that's you know we talk about that a lot too on my space that you know i love the
fact that a lot of a lot of people are starting to realize that they want to go, you know, they're starting to use local farmers and local small farms near them and eating locally.
Because, you know, like years ago, people would only eat what could grow during the time where they would put things up for the winter and things like that.
you know, they would can and, you know,
You know, they would can and, you know, jar and stuff like that for things throughout the winter.
buy, you know, jar and stuff like that
for things throughout the winter.
But now it's like we're eating things
from all over the place and not necessarily,
you know, our bodies know to thicken up
and thin out during the seasons.
And, you know, we're not really following
what our miraculous body already has the knowledge of.
I know I'm not know I'm talking weird.
No, I get you.
Yeah. So it's like, I love the fact that people are starting to really embrace this. They're not
relying on just their big supermarket. And it's just great all around, you know, for the growers and for the people who, you know, go and do, you know, use their, you know, produce and stuff like that.
So for me, I started out with the CSA.
You know, my partner was like, he was like, I never knew that I had a bok choy limit.
But we, you know, we started with the CSA.
You could only get so much, you know, so much of each
thing. And bok choy was a big one. I love it, but it's like, okay, it's enough of bok choy.
But now they changed, you know, because there's been so much interest in the organic farm near me,
you know, now they're, they're doing just like a farm stand. So you can kind of go and
just pick what you want. And it's, it's been awesome. I love it. I mean, I love this time of year there, you know, they usually start
out with strawberries. That's how I know the season's starting. And then, you know, all
throughout the, all the way through, like usually late October, you know, we can go to our farm,
our local farms. And it's, it's, I'm just so looking forward to it because it's like i just
can't stand the supermarket anymore it's like i don't even want to i don't even want to see what
they have to offer you know anymore and i'm just i'm i'm gonna get on a soapbox because i'm really
aggravated about this whole peel thing i don't know if you guys are hip to it but you know, there's this coating that they're putting on produce to make it last longer.
And even organic USDA has approved it.
And I'm really aggravated about that on certain, you know, certain vegetables and produce.
So I'm like.
Yeah, the words don't mean anything anymore.
Like, what the heck?
I know.
They've already ruined natural.
Now they've ruined organic, too.
Like, what the heck? Oh, I'm so already ruined natural. Now they've ruined organic too. Like what the heck?
Oh, I'm so aggravated.
It's like, yeah.
So it doesn't mean perfect anymore.
It just means, well, not as bad.
Right.
Like percentage wise, well, you're getting, you know,
this is why it's so important for us all to start, you know,
it's so funny how things are changing.
And I'm really glad like we, for years,
you know,
like my parents and their neighbors were all about like this great,
beautiful lawn and they were willing to put all these chemicals on it and just
to get it to look a certain way.
And now it's like people are starting to embrace the idea that, you know,
no, we, we should be using that area, whatever area we have,
we should be growing food, you know? And we should be growing food you know and it's just if you if you get you know a bunch
of people in your local neighborhood you can say hey I'll grow this you grow that
you know and then we'll have like you know this little produce swap all the
time so it's like even if you just have a couple you know feet of, you know, you can grow something in it and it's like
It's just so much better. It's just so much better all around for the soil and everything so it's like
it's my passion now to
You know really have a nice garden, you know, and just you know
If there's too much, you know, I know like squash for some reason, zucchini,
like always way too much. Just give it out to your friends, you know, or just whatever. It's just,
I'm so enjoying that the conversations I'm hearing in spaces and even
locally out in the world near me,
people are starting to embrace this more and they're starting to realize that,
you know, we've been, we've been sold a bill of goods that is not, you know, what, and there's just so much,
there's so many rabbit holes to go down with this, you know, where our government subsidized,
you know, farmers not to farm. Yeah. They are paid to not produce stuff sometimes,
which is the stupidest thing ever.
Insane.
So I'm hoping that that's going to change.
Like that's one of the things that will change here since like, you know, I don't want to get political.
But, you know, seems like we're trying to make some changes in this country.
So I'm hoping that that will be one of the things that, you know, would be great to have, you know, organic farmers be subsidized.
Yeah, but I mean, we need like,
it's like small artisan farmers are the ones that are the only ones that are
taking good care of their stuff.
Like,
and that's not the way like every,
all the rules are leaning towards.
They're,
they're benefiting the larger,
like Monsanto.
The M word.
That's like Baltimore.
Right.
I know. Right? I know, right?
It's like-
That's all-
I know.
That's why I can't run for president.
I would get murdered and all that.
But if you run for president, you don't want to run against an incumbent.
You want to make sure they have a full eight-year term and then you run because Lyndon B.
Johnson will totally order a hit on you.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just, I just, I like that people are looking into it.
You know, I have a lot of younger people in my life, you know, family and, and friends.
And it's like, I'm hearing that, that they're, they want to be aware now, which I'm really glad, you know, it was like, you know, my, my mom's generation was, it was all about convenience and just all these, you know, new things that weren't good for us, you know, and now it's like.
Do you have chickens?
I do not have chickens, but I would love to have chickens.
I got chickens and I start, I will start with two, right?
So I got two chickens. I named them. Well, I was thinking like, you start with two right so I got two chickens I named them
well I was thinking like you know worst case scenario we harvest these chickens we got organic
chickens that are like you know these things are worth like 30 bucks a piece you know like these
are right big ass chickens so uh we got two chickens we named them tasty and delicious
and uh I could just never bring myself to kill them like they because we've got we got them at
like a day old and they like imprinted on me and they just
would follow me around everywhere.
They thought I was mama.
Right.
And so like I had them trained,
they would like jump up in the air.
They would like fly up to my hands.
Like it was crazy.
Cause they're chickens.
You didn't think,
I don't think,
I don't think chickens were supposed to fly,
but they could fly like 10 feet straight up or like,
or 30 feet over if they really want to,
or they're scared.
They will.
But, and then, you know, I, they, I would just like walk around the backyard and have
them like eat bugs and stuff.
And I'd feed them all my leftovers and they would eat all the compost and make the best
eggs, like red yolk, just so amazing tasting.
And so I ended up at one point we had like 12 and we had Americanas, Silky, Buff Orpington, Rhode Island Red, Bard Rock, Production Reds.
We had like everything, you know, every type of chicken there was.
Basically, we'd just grab it.
And so there's like green eggs and brown eggs and, you know, blue eggs.
It was really cool.
Then now there's an egg shortage and we don't have any chickens
and i'm like dang it i know well i i was so aggravated because like our local we have a
little uh natural health store like right up the street from us and we've been getting like jumbo
eggs for the longest time for like four dollars for these awesome, like you said,
these orange yolks,
they're constantly have twins,
constantly have twin yolks in our eggs.
And they're just,
you know,
they're free range and it's,
it's wonderful eggs that we get.
And our prices never went up,
you know,
they never went up their small farms that they get the eggs from and
everything.
And then recently when that whole egg thing happened, all of a sudden, like, we weren't
able to get that many eggs in our store.
And they were saying that, like, what started to happen was these big egg companies, you
know, they started approaching the organic eggs because they're the only ones that weren't
affected.
You know, they're the only ones that weren't affected you know they're the only ones that weren't affected at all by this and then you know for
a minute they were trying to tell the organic farmers you need to you know you should kill
your chickens too you know just in case you know and they were like we're not going to do that our
eggs are fine you know like so i you know i would love to have chickens. Yeah. I work in nine to five, so it's hard for me.
And the thing is they are, they will escape and tear up your neighbor's yard and call, and you'll have the cops come over to your house looking for you and your chicken.
It's like, you know, I can tell you that for a fact.
that for a fact they and if you don't if they're not totally locked up in an area
something I'll get out to get something I'll get in to get them or they'll get
out and wreak havoc so it's like you have to have a run and like all the
parts and an area for it so most people it's just not efficient you know yes by
the good organic free-range eggs that you can find and they're worth ... I
was selling my eggs.
They started off like a quarter each and by the end I was selling like $2 a piece.
Yeah.
I mean, they're so much more nutritious.
They taste better.
You can just tell by looking.
They do taste better.
Yeah.
It's like that's one thing-
Was she over a steak?
Oh my God.
One thing that's interesting. Cause I went,
I've probably been organic for about 10 years and this was, you know,
a choice that I made out of, you know,
trying to get healthier when I was going through that health crisis. You know,
I was like, that's it. You know, I'm just going to go organic, you know,
and I'm, you know, this was before organic was even even very popular so things were very expensive in the beginning when I
switched over but um god I lost my train of thought it just went right out the
window whoo right out with the chickens right out we had guinea hens we had
guinea hens for the longest time. Our neighbor and I are,
you know, me and my neighbor. We had guinea hens and they are the funniest.
The funniest. The only thing that's funnier than guinea hens are quail.
Oh, I've never had quail, but we, I was laughing because you named yours. Our guinea hens,
the two that were left, we called them garlic and butter because we used to say, you know, like they literally try to get in our cars when we would be getting in and out of our cars.
They were they're crazy.
They're so fun, though.
So, yeah.
So we have had foul, but we didn't have chickens.
That's funny.
Chickens, they're crazy.
Chickens are they're crazy.
I mean, absolutely insane.
I mean, absolutely insane.
There's one time I go outside and I have like a box of leftovers that I'm going to give them.
And they're used to it.
So they come running out, you know, from all corners, fly at me.
And I go walk out over by the side of the pool and we have a birdhouse there.
And a baby squirrel falls out of the birdhouse.
Like 30 foot up, 25 feet maybe on a pole
right baby squirrel falls out and bounces on the grass the grass in front of me and the chickens
thought that i that i took it out of the i opened the box right as that happened so they thought
that i threw that there right and they just pounced on it like little raptors and tore this thing apart like in front
of me like in seconds it was the most graphic craziest thing and i'll never get the screams
out of my head oh my god it's like a crime scene yeah little monsters i was like i am never falling
asleep by this pool again oh my god that's how nature is right it got real real fast
that's crazy but if you have a good amount of area that you know you need to like i would say
like a cow needs like an acre right and an acre would be good for like four to six chickens, maybe up to 10, but any more than that.
And it's going to get over overeaten, you know?
And what you do is you only give them a quarter of it at a time.
And as soon as they basically have kind of cut the grass but not killed it, you move them to the next quarter and you just keep rotating it around.
killed it you move them to the next quarter and you just keep you know rotating it around i made
like a like a chicken run on wheels so i could just kind of like roll it a little bit uh and
that that seemed to be pretty good you know instead of because i usually just like i don't
want to i'm such a hippie i'm like i don't want to lock them up i want them to be free range you
know just like please stay in the yard chickens aren't gonna listen to me you know i mean they
thought i was mama so they did listen pretty good i actually could go in the yard. Chickens aren't going to listen to me. I mean, they thought I was mama,
so they did listen pretty good. I actually could go in the backyard and go,
and then they would all come running. That's awesome. I lived in Philadelphia.
I grew up in Philly, so I was a city girl, and we moved out to the suburbs in New Jersey. So
long story short, I didn you know we had this there was
like this it was a restaurant but they had like all these animals you know it was like you could
i guess they were for you know people to see and stuff but there were like peacocks there were like
you know all these chickens so all of a sudden we have chickens you know coming onto our property
and i didn't know chickens could fly,
but I found out really quick
because we did have this huge evergreen tree
and these chickens would just come
and like roost in this evergreen tree.
And I also found out that roosters
don't only crow in the morning.
Like they crow all day long.
Yeah, they're annoying as hell. we had these two silkies that were
so cute it was like all white black all white silky almost all black silky and they got to
like i don't know six or seven weeks and all of a sudden they just i was like what the that was
not a chicken noise that was the beginning of a rooster crow. I was like, all right, we're getting rid of these chickens fast.
I'm like, we want eggs, damn it.
I don't want to have to harvest this bird.
It's a lot of work for a freaking silky.
Nobody wants a rooster silky.
But yeah, they basically took it back and swapped me out.
You want the hens, right?
You went for hens.
Absolutely.
The Sookies were fun.
My favorite, though, is still that buff Orpington, which was, like, blonde.
And it was just super – I mean, it definitely had an attitude.
Like, when it laid eggs, it just would be like, these are my fucking eggs.
Get your own.
She'd get kind of broody.
But other than that, she was, like, kind like just like a little like a little puppy you know it was really funny very bizarre to see
like uh almost like dog characteristics coming out of a of a bird you know like yeah way more
friendly than cats oh yeah i had a friend who who she had all different kinds of animals on her farm.
It's a small farm, but she had all different kinds of animals.
And I didn't realize that geese were as vicious as they are.
She had these white geese.
And they would, like, if you turned your back on them. They were territorial.
They were wicked.
I was like, you know, you grow up thinking Mother Goose.
Like, it's all going to be good.
And it's like, they had some attitudes, man.
I had no idea.
Yeah, 100%.
We have a place in Orlando here, Lake Ayola.
And there's a bunch of ducks.
And there's geese.
And they'll have babies, you know, times a year it's real cute but yeah you
can't get anywhere near them because they will bite the shit out of you and
they're big they're pretty big when they want to be it's funny you will tear
you fluffy pterodactyl trying to tear you apart it's pretty awesome fun
conversation so I'm seeing this is what happens when you do spaces like this, because you get to talk to people.
Just, you know, kind of having a chat, chopping it up.
And, like, I had no idea all this stuff about you, Tricky.
So now I'm, like, I'm getting to know you.
Yo, just scraping the edge, man.
I come from a long line of witches.
I got hit by lightning once.
When I first graduated from college, I made a series of like six different LED grow lights
that I manufactured in China and shipped over here to America
and sold in the hydroponic store.
Oh, my God.
There's a lot of stuff that I think you would find interesting.
I think I would.
I think I would.
This space is going on for a week, right?
I'll be here.
I'm sorry.
We're going to get levels deep.
We're getting to know each other.
That's why I told Will.
I said, I'm excited to support Let's Go Live and Jimmy.
Jimmy's awesome.
I said, I'm going to make friends.
I'm going to make new friends and get to know people because that's what these spaces are about.
We did – Will T and I, you know, we were part of,
we're part of social bees and we did the 24 seven spaces.
What is it now? Well, geez, how many years, two, three,
three years ago, I think. And it was just the best time.
24 seven spaces are great because it's like, you know,
you can wake up in the middle of the night and you're on your way to the
bathroom. You're like, Hey, I know where my friends are and they're all talking in
there. So I can just turn it on for a little bit, you know, see what's going on. It's like,
great to have that constant, you know, companion. We're doing a VFriends space that's on like day
23. Right. And Gary V pops in at one point at like three or four in
the morning and it's just like I hate that I'm listening to this right now you're gonna have to
kick me out of the room so I just go to sleep and I can't come back because I can't stop listening
I know because it does get addictive.
You're like, oh, what am I missing?
Because I know they're in there all talking.
Yeah, but it's fun.
It's a great time.
And I'm glad that we're doing this because it's awesome.
And I learned today from Will T how the whole Gitcoin, Git round, GG23 works.
And I'm going to, when we get done in a few minutes,
I'm going to go fill up my wallet and go, you know, help fund.
Nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have three wallets that seem to be good for that.
I have a little over, I think I have like 51 wallets total now,
but three wallets that are really good for the get going around I always get maximum matching when I use
those ones so I love to support trees the only thing the only projects I've
actually supported were like as far as like I was gonna say the only ones which
were tree ones but that's not true I did coral connect as well my buddy over
there coral connect so
they know they're growing coral which is pretty cool um but uh it was tree gens coral connect and
then uh meme for trees you know james because he's growing he's planting trees too but um but yeah
i'm i'm all about it man that gitcoin matching is the, that's the coolest thing. I love that idea
to get people to, you know, to kind of help them decide where to put their money. It's brilliant.
Yeah. Yeah. That's what Will C was explaining to me, like kind of even how to do it,
you know, so that you get the most benefit for the, for the different projects.
Yeah. A dollar, three dollars or $5, pretty much everywhere,
depending on what their minimums are.
You just got to hit the minimum for the maximum amount
of matching that you want to do, basically.
Yeah.
Well, I appreciate you guys being here.
Will, you are.
I'm sorry I was just on the live talking to basically myself
and MetaRides for a little bit there. But at least the recording on the Streamlabs is still going.
So, you know, that's basically the record.
But, yeah, I was like, I totally missed you guys for like an hour because I was over here for like 45, 50 minutes.
How's MetaRides doing?
Good.
I don't know if they were able to actually mint.
They were trying to get something secure.
They want to make sure that the wallet security was at the top notch,
and I don't think they got that last thing ironed out,
so they're probably going to put out an announcement here in a second.
Or they fixed it and minted out so fast that they just closed the space,
and I just completely missed out.
Who knows?
I got to go figure out what happened.
But last I heard,
they were trying to figure out some fine details of the Mint.
Got it, got it.
Yeah, I've been connected to them for a long time.
Yeah, if you guys are looking for some rounds
to drop some of your digital currencies in,
I would definitely check out the Regen Coordination Global round.
There's some amazing people doing, you know, there is a saying in the nonprofit space like 30 years ago,
and now it's kind of transcended into Web3, but it's start local, but think global, right?
So definitely tap into that.
So definitely tap into that.
And then also check out the Web3 Universities round
because what they're doing is they're empowering student clubs
at the university level across Africa
and independent educators to teach Web2 developers
how to become Web3 developers.
Smart, because there's only like 50,000,
maybe 60,000 good Web3 developers in the world. Good? Well, I should say semi-knowledgeable. Capable? Yeah, capable. That's still pushing
it maybe. Yeah. Because maybe there's about 10 of them that are capable. But qualified is a low bar too, though.
We have very low bars these days for what's qualified to do anything.
All good.
Good catching up with you, Tricky.
Yeah.
I'll see you guys tomorrow for sure.
I'll be popping in and out.
I'm all over the place.
And when you guys aren't busy or if you have another device
and you want to learn about VFriends,
I can try to get you in on their raffle.
And like every 55 past the hour, they do a rookie of the hour.
And you take this little character quiz, find out what VFriend you are,
and we put you in a raffle to win something.
So it's pretty cool.
Yeah, Jimmy's been getting a lot of the alpha for this session yeah yeah he's been over there a lot I saw him
co-hosting a couple times he's uh he's yeah he's a legend he's been supporting
it's awesome to see the cross community collaboration and a lot of growth yeah
I've been seeing him there like I'm a night owl so um I caught him like I don't
know last night or night before it was like
four o'clock in the morning or something i saw jimmy's talking in the space so i went over there
and i i thought yeah it was the be friends thing so i'm not familiar but i guess i'll have to have
to go find out about that yeah gary v is the guy behind that i know know who Gary Vee is, but I didn't know what was going on.
He's got 3,050,000 followers. So in the last 22 days that we were holding that space, we did break the record for the longest continuous space on X.
But also, we got about a million views on our spaces in the last 22 days.
on our spaces in the last 22 days.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
The one that we beat the record for,
it was 202,000 views on that space in 196 hours.
Like, what some wild numbers.
That is wild.
Right?
This kid's going to get monetized.
This brand new account's going to get monetized just off of the space going for like, you know, two months.
You know? If he's already got to that point.
But that's all it is.
You just need Gary Vaynerchuk to retweet your stuff once.
There you go. Here's 200 000 impressions it helps when he pops in man i jumped in because he's following me
so i i can send him emojis you know like when you're in a space and you're following someone
i love to do that you know so i go and i'm sending them hearts and stuff and and he pulled me up on
stage and we talked for a little bit.
And then this kid's talking about doing a 24-hour space.
And then he's like, well, maybe we should go for the record.
We did a three-day space.
Maybe we should do a four-day space.
And Gary Vee's like, forget it.
Go for a week.
You can do it.
And he's all motivational.
So basically they're like, yeah, we'll go for a week and beat the record.
And then they looked it up and according to Grok, the record's only like four or something days.
So, but that's like continuous, you know?
So they thought, we're going to beat that record.
And go, well, first of all, you're probably going to rug every 24 hours because that's what Twitter does.
But then secondly, we did a 420 hour space with the PuffPuffPandas.
So it's like 17 and a half days.
And then we did a 60 days of fun space with the homies, the crypto homies,
and the whole, you know, that community with, you know, the ZMSS community and stuff like that, Xenu.
And that was all November, all December.
So then they're like, we're just going to go to May 7th until the Topps Chrome announcement launched, like, for VFriends.
27th until the tops chrome announcement launched like for v friends which when that launched for
Pokemon back in the day the tops chrome Pokemon cards
I mean we all know though how much those things are worth
You know some of those early decks are worth a lot of money
So this is like a really big thing for them and it's a three-year deal
So this is they're not just gonna put out like a first iteration
All right, I think this is like a good you know
if you're one of those people who's into card collecting might want to pop over a
Lot of people who joined us in that space have gained like 300 to 600 followers and
The ones that have picked up a v1 or v2 v friend like those the floors like doubled
It's been pretty crazy yeah it's it's been wild and they were like we were getting
like you know 15 sales every week and last week we got 50 on secondary i was like things are just
going crazy over there and they're getting more like the distributors are like what's going on
we're getting calls from like all over
the place to like place orders for these cards like it's absolutely insanity what's what the
hell's going on so gary like is recognizing like what we're doing is having an impact
which is super super cool i think there's going to be some awesome stuff coming from that
maybe even like a 24-hour radio just for V friends. Who knows?
That is super cool.
And I'm tricky.
So I went to one of my other accounts,
the Zao pros account,
and I DMed one of the lead president,
the guys,
and I was like,
is tricky Buddha working with V friends?
He's got great energy and hosting skills.
You guys should definitely work together.
I love that.
That's awesome.
Anyway, I love you guys.
I'll definitely be popping in here and there.
I got to go make some rounds and do some stuff before I crash out.
But it's a Wednesday, right?
Okay, so tomorrow I might have a little bit of time to hang around. But it's a Wednesday, right? Okay, so tomorrow I don't...
Okay, I might have a little bit of time to hang around.
Who's coming in next, too, after Zen?
It's an open hosting slot, from what I see on the schedule.
Oh, really?
So, man, you're a trooper, man.
How long have you been here, Will?
15 hours.
Oh, Jesus Christ!
Who's your relief?
that's not good
it'll figure itself out
it always does
you're gonna fall asleep
well I mean so I'm guessing Jimmy will come back
and come to the let's grow account eventually
right
yeah um let me see what time Well, I mean, so I'm guessing Jimmy will come back and come to the Let's Grow account eventually, right?
Yeah.
Let me see what time it is where Jimmy's at.
He's been asleep for at least three hours, right?
Oh, no, he's been asleep longer than that, hopefully, unless he's hopping over to the VFriend space.
And if he's over there, you better tell his ass to get back home. Yeah.
I think it was about five, maybe around, was it four, four o'clock?
Maybe.
So right now it is 2 p.m. in the afternoon.
I mean.
2 p.m. in the afternoon.
So Jimmy should be showing up anytime.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
I mean, and we could always figure out some way to merge the two spaces too.
Yeah.
I mean, that would be cool.
You know what?
I've got enough spaces to do that would be cool you know what to do that
well you know what i did you know what i did i don't know if you heard about this or not but
what i did um when we first got on to far house is i actually had people between x and far house
having a conversation with each other but now i guess the dev team for far house isn't they
haven't done anything with the platform in like six months or whatever.
But I could do the same thing between ArenaX and Farhouse if we had enough engagement or enough people on stages to where they could all talk to each other.
So, which I think is pretty cool.
Yeah, it is neat.
For a while there, I was streaming the chrome bridge over onto arena
so it was coming through my one of my phones and then being picked up by my computer and streamed
onto arena and if you do arena on your computer it won't like dim the screen and turn off so
that's the workaround right but all right well guess I'm going to log off of video for now.
But I'll be hanging out here in the room for a little bit.
Cool.
Yeah.
All right.
Stop video, hide stream.
What's on your agenda, Zen?
You got a heart stopper?
I can hang out for a little bit longer.
I'm trying to get to bed earlier.
It's my sleep is the bane of my existence.
So I'm trying to be good and get to bed.
I'm trying to get in there by midnight.
What's your average
it doesn't it doesn't really usually happen my average sleep probably about
five hours which is not good and that's continuous um you know it's not terrible
but it's not great no it's not terrible. I mean, there are times when we get going with mob and stuff.
It's like I'm up a lot longer.
It just sucks because I have to get up for work.
It's like I need to be doing this full time so I can just set my own schedule.
you know I'm a night owl that's the thing but um yeah but I've always been
I'm a night out.
That's the thing.
like one of those I need seven or eight you know so I don't get run down and my
immunity doesn't get because that's what happens after a period of time if I keep
it up then you know it takes a toll on me so So yeah, I'm trying, I'm doing better. I'm doing better.
Five is five.
It's good.
What I want to be a Guinea pig for nighttime tea is what I've heard.
Yes,
I do.
Especially that skull cap.
I'm going to look into that skull cap for sure.
Yeah.
Skull cap and mullein are the key ingredients for the sedative effect.
So you can always grab those by yourself and brew a little bit into another tea and just drink that.
Or if you want to try what I've got for like 60 bucks, I can send you a month's supply of the nighttime tea.
And then you can just try it for 30 days and see how it affects you.
Okay.
We might be having that conversation this weekend when I get paid.
Yeah, I'm almost out of energy tea,
but I'm going to order all new ingredients for both in a second here.
But I do have a couple months of sleep tea still.
Because I've tried everything, and I mean everything.
I've even tried THC gummies to level out my sleep cycles,
and nothing works.
So what happens, and Zen kind of knows this too,
what happens is I'll get into a nice dream state, right?
And then I'll be down for about four, four and a half hours.
But then something happens in my dream where it just wakes me up, right? Because either it's so
startling in my psyche or whatever, right? Whatever the events of the dream, it wakes me up. So then
I'm up. Then I'm up for about an hour and a half. And then I can usually fall back asleep for about another good, you know, two and a half to three hours.
But it's not uninterrupted sleep.
And I tell you, I've tried everything.
I've tried every tincture.
I've tried every homeopathic remedy, every, you know, Eastern medicine remedy for this, except for the two
that you mentioned. So. Yeah. I was surprised to hear about Mullen for sleep because I know,
like I've always used it for. It's a muscle relaxer, but it's better, but it's also got
lung healing properties too. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. I always used it for like,
you know, ear, like ear infections and respiratory issues even skin things but I never
knew it was good for the sleep you know so well yeah because it's a mild muscle relaxers right
so it's I mean I like have restless legs and I'm like pretty bad so I'm prescribed like a bunch of
muscle relaxers to go to sleep sometimes and this is better honestly I never knew that. So see, I just learned that.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
Yeah, it's crazy because if you go out
and find these ingredients,
there's like 16 ingredients,
maybe 10, 15 bucks per package
to get each ingredient, right?
Maybe like a month's supply.
But do the math, right?
16 times 10 even, or times 15, and then spend a whole day going like two or three different shops to find all the ingredients.
It could get out up real quick. So I was happy to buy stuff in bulk finally.
And now I've got it like, yeah, it's way more cost effective.
So I've really.
So now you sell them separately or it's all mixed? It's all mixed together, but that's also-
For like me, it's about like overall like super stress reduction.
And then with those other attributes as well, right?
So if you don't have like chronic pain or like inflammation issues,
then you might not need it, right?
And you might want to just try adding a couple of the other ingredients
to your normal routine but if you um if you have like chronic pain or lots of inflammation
or like just a lot of stress on your body that's the thing is i feel like this um this recipe is
really good for a hangover cure it's good for after you work out it's good the energy is good
for like a pre-workout like any kind of stress that your body's under, it kind of helps manage that better.
I feel like, right?
I think that's probably the best way to phrase it for like liability purposes too.
I'm not going to, I don't want to make health claims, but four or five of these are natural pain relievers and anti-inflammatories.
So let me ask you,
do you have like an online store or something like that?
How do you find it?
There was one at one point when,
that's like a whole nother story,
but we will, this new recipe isn't up on,
it's gonna be a completely new product.
So I will have the labels come out here pretty soon.
I've already started to tease some of the graphics, but we'll have the labels come out here pretty soon. I've already started to tease some of the graphics,
but we'll have the labels come out soon,
and then I'll make a website and get all the certifications and licensing
and stuff like that so we can start to manufacture it in liquid form.
Okay, so like right now it's just like I know a guy named Tricky.
Yep, right now it's just like I know a guy named Tricky
sends me a bag of unlabeled herbs you're really trusting
me at this point but I mean yeah I'm not gonna give you anything you know bullshit
but at the same time you know the the tea is like majority of it is a lot of it
is like licorice root right now because that's like a it's a sweetener and it's
like a pain reliever.
And then there's like 16 other.
You got to watch licorice root if you have blood pressure problems.
Yeah.
Everything,
everything is like,
everything has a certain amount of interaction with other,
with other things.
So we usually recommend like try like a,
like a half a tablespoon to a tablespoon like the first time and then you can slowly work it up.
But we also took stuff out.
So if you have like medications, like if you have heart medication, we took out the Hawthorne Berry for that reason.
For people who aren't in insulin, I took out the Finugreek because it's a good blood sugar stabilizer.
But if you're on insulin, you don't want to take it. finugreek you know because it's a good sugar state you know blood sugar stabilizer but if
you're on insulin you don't want to take it right so i've eliminated everything that could possibly
have interactions with medications yeah but um i think yeah with anything new you always want to
just start with a little bit and try not to go too heavy because if you can stretch it make it
go longer than the better you know but also it builds in your system the more you take it it's
like when i get like into a flare and i'm like you know throwing up or passing blood or something
crazy is happening then i'll just i'll like double or triple the strength and drink like a more of
like a medicinal strength okay if that makes sense then it's like you know it's not thick or anything
but it's like way more herpy yeah like i have i have, I have, I call it my little apothecary,
um, you know, of herbal things. And it's like, it's the truth. Like I, I would like to narrow
it down to one like tea, like you're saying, instead of having to make my own concoctions,
you know, I, I mean, I love doing it, it you know it's almost like alchemy when you're
when you're you know doing different herbal teas and things like that but but my my cabinets are
overflowing with because i i too like to try to buy it in bulk because you can get it cheaper
um you know then you end up with like 50 ingredients and like some of them you're not
using anymore exactly exactly That's what happens.
And I talk about that all the time on my space because –
That's the cost of science.
I know.
And we're all different.
So you have to do the study.
You've got to put in the work to figure out what's good for you.
And it's just a part of the process.
But I feel you.
I mean – okay. So I was like working out, right?
I'm consuming like 600 grams of protein a day.
I'm eating almonds.
I'm eating peanuts.
I'm juicing wheatgrass.
And then they're like, you're allergic to almonds, peanuts, wheat.
I'm just like, oh, my God.
By the book, I'm doing all the healthy things, right?
Like what everyone would say is the healthy options.
And then, nope, those are actually opposite just for you.
Yeah.
Interestingly enough, my niece has been going through like this crazy –
she's been going through this crazy like – she's dizzy all the time.
And she's had all the tests done. Thank God there's nothing – they can't find anything wrong. But she's still dizzy all the time and she's been had all the tests done thank god there's
nothing they can't find anything wrong but she's still dizzy all the time so like um you know she
just started doing like the fodmap where you know she has to do that for like six weeks and then
now she you know she'll have to start introducing foods. Like it's almost like a baby, like when you introduce one at a time to see, you know, what she has issues with.
And it's crazy.
I mean, if you've never done FODMAP, it's not easy.
So I'm thinking about doing it again because we do change, too.
I'm thinking about doing it again because we do change too.
You know, like our bodies change.
You know, like our bodies change.
Every 15 years, every 10 to 15 years,
your hormones change enough that you're a different person.
And technically every six years, you're actually like on a cellular level.
You're completely new except for like part of your eye.
Yes, exactly.
So I'm thinking about doing it again.
It's like, okay, I can do it.
Cut back down. You cut back to rice and like liquid foods, like collagen peptides.
Okay.
Collagen peptides are amazing because they're super easily absorbable.
So you can live off of like collagen peptides and rice.
Super bland.
Yeah.
And then start adding like apple juice, you know, certain fruit juices.
You can, you can water them down even. So you adding like apple juice, you know, certain fruit juices. You can water them down even so you have less sugar.
But, you know, natural fruit, natural sugars are way, way better than processed sugars.
Your body does not handle them the same.
They are not alike.
No, they aren't.
I don't have any more cane sugar really, but I go hard on the honey.
Yeah, that's my sweetener of choices honey but and I try and I still try to go but it's good for
my allergies to you know it's good for that too so yeah I'm organic raw like
something with some pollen in it yeah I used to even add pollen to my tea for a
little bit there I did get some local pollen But I'm just so allergic to everything,
it just doesn't even make sense to even bother with that.
I just got to leave Florida.
I'm in the wrong place.
I'm like, the whole street is lined with oak trees.
You know, all the alcohol barrels are oak barrels.
Major bummer.
It's like basically every
alcohol is just a poison tincture
allergic tincture for me
I gotta get only silver
tequila for me
that's the key
so I'm pulling one up
right now cheers
we can't drink up
on the Opus AI app over here.
Sorry, my mom's calling.
Hold on a second.
You guys continue.
Let me give you boys a topic and you can talk amongst yourselves.
Well, so Will, what kind of hobbies do you have besides trees?
I don't do trees.
You don't do trees?
No, I just support people that do trees.
Oh, okay.
I live in Colorado, so tree planting here is very cumbersome.
Oh, yeah, fair.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
What are my hobbies?
Well, fishing, being one with nature.
Okay.
I do more fishing than I do catching.
Cooking. Yeah. okay well i i i do more fishing than i do catching um cooking yeah um yeah cooking is one of my one of my uh decompressors from a long day
and then um i used to be a very avid uh poker player but not so much anymore because life just got so busy between
being a founder in web3 and then you know having to work gig work but um yeah just also just
yeah just time when did you find crypto and when did you find nfts
well that's a great question i'm glad you asked it um so i came into
the space back in march of 2020 um and my first assignment from my mentor slash father figure at
the time he passed away last year um i think it was last jan when he passed away. But anyways, I took a leap of faith.
I basically retired from corporate work.
Started my own company, and my first blockchain assignment was to go find out the correlation between the crypto markets and the stock markets, because he had trained me on and taught me how to day trade
right right so i was trying to find out like what was the correlation what were the behaviors was
similar where we're seeing the same patterns on the charts things like that right and so then
from there i got hooked up with the social beast community back in September of 2020.
Yeah.
I laugh.
It's not like the stock market.
It's like the foreign exchange currency market on steroids. Yeah.
Like for us,
right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But then,
but then in the social bees community,
we got heavy into DeFi and we started learning about liquidity pool staking
and yield farming and all that,
all the beautiful mechanics that basically you're in finance spawned in the
summer of DeFi in 2020.
And then we,
we started,
so after Basie launched and became a thing,
like in short order,
right?
Like inside of like 90 days,
they were like the hottest community out there
yeah so we set up a team manipulation i mean whatever it was but we set up a team um of about
eight to ten people that wanted to go figure out all the mechanics of NFTs, what's so great about them,
and what's so great about the NFT communities.
And, you know, they even got so good
where they were minting directly from the smart contracts
on EtherScan, right?
And they're using their own funds to do it,
so they weren't using any community funds or whatever
because the community launched on a fair launch basis
meaning everybody including the founders the devs the marketing team everybody in the community
participated in all of our mints the same way with and it was all like strategic right so we'd
all going together into liquidity pool so it was a very coordinated event and then uh so after we did the research and they
brought the intel back to the community then one of our partner communities had access to a disney
artist and they're like hey let's start creating our own nft collection and it was a really cool
time because we all got to have input on not necessarily the base design of the characters,
but like the attributes, right?
So like what were the accessories that the social bees were wearing
and things like that.
So yeah, so that's how we got into NFTs.
And then we launched our own generative NFT collection
that minted out in 21 hours on the public side.
Private met, I believe it was 72 hours.
Yeah, 72 hours on the private side so everybody could get their positions, right?
And then from there, we did the public sale, and the public sale only lasted 21 hours.
only lasted 21 hours.
And it was a 10K-plus project.
And it was a 10K plus project.
Yeah, so that's kind of the story of how I got into Web3
and my first community of Web3
and how we learned about DeFi and NFTs.
But, I mean, we were meeting every day for 18 months straight.
18 months straight.
I love to hear everyone's origin stories.
I'm all about origin stories.
I started off day trading too on the stock market
and then I saw the volatility on crypto and was just like,
ooh, I got to get in on this. and then I saw the volatility on crypto and was just like oh I gotta I gotta get
in on this so I jumped into crypto in like 2016 okay and I deployed the DeFi
space donkeys and Club in 2021 yeah it's been it's been a while I can't believe
it's already been four years like this is crazy. I know. I'm on my fourth year.
Yep.
You play the piano, huh?
Yeah, sometimes. Especially if I have some tequila.
Nice. I'm going to go. I used to play when I was like between 6 and 12. I learned piano and I was doing a lot of competitions between like 8 and 12.
And then I just got like super just not into it like anxious and just wasn't having fun anymore you know probably just puberty you know just like the anxiety of puberty right uh and then
since then I was just yeah not really into performing but I still like will fuck around
and you know if I have, like,
a tone in my head I want to figure out, I'll go figure it out, or sometimes I'll just, like,
crank it up real loud and put on a weird sound and meditate and kind of just, like, play, like,
the vibe of, like, whatever I'm thinking of, so it's, like, almost, like, telling a story.
I think it'd be cool to make, like, roles for movies, like scripts for movies.
Like, that would be cool.
Like, just show me a scene,
and I'll play the music for the background.
Like, that would be, I think that'd be a fun job.
Oh, yeah.
And you could do it on Web3.
Right?
I'm hoping I can get a couple good piano loops,
and then I'll get Clayjean and, like, Ball Out Crypto and some, you know, some friends. Do you know who Tony Parise is or Deluxe on X?
He's part of Violetta's community.
Yeah, no, I'm not super big in that community right this second.
I'm getting more acquainted.
I know Violetta
mildly a little bit, but
we did an interview together.
I mean, everyone knows who she is, obviously.
Right.
Her and I are good friends. Very good
friends. Okay, cool.
Yeah, because I'm in her community.
So Tony has written
the first
musical to be minted out on the blockchain.
Yeah, I'd love for her to do, like, I could see her, it would be really cool to have her do a chorus.
And then, like, Ball Out, Clay Jean, Darius, Thanos, music, N music nessie i'll get everybody it's luma baby like oh yeah yeah yeah
well they all pop in from time to time too you know christiano i'll get everybody in on this
thing i want to make a i want to make like a massive cypher with like a hardcore piano beat
they actually just made a really cool one um the other day that they released that had a really nice
fast piano loop in it. And I was just like,
you did that without me? Come on!
Thanks.
What's up, Om?
They did a great job.
Welcome to the space, Om.
Om is a friend of the region communities.
Hey, good evening, morning, or afternoon,
wherever you are on the pale blue dot here.
How's everyone?
We're doing good. We're doing good.
We're on our third session already already and we're only not even a
day in but um xspace has had a complete freak out earlier platform-wide like an hour in and then um
we had a good solid session going for 10 hours and then this one's been going for probably about
four and a half, four hours now. I don't know. I'd have to look at the timer.
But that's been good. Talking GG23 and everything in between.
Yeah. Awesome. You know, I mean, three is the
lucky number. And so you have both the two and the three in GG23.
So awesome. Yeah, I mean, I know that we've connected
and swapped nodes in the past.
Admittedly, I'm more fintech, more so with our Saveaway platform.
But yeah, I think some of the same principles of P2P and decentralization apply to what
we're hoping to see happen, especially at a time when uh you know i guess burrito cdo
is actually a thing that some of you may have uh seen in the news
yeah a lot of unnecessary credit slash debt being peddled when i think the best thing for
being peddled when I think the best thing for a lot of people is building their financial
wellness muscle, which is really what they do with our Save Away platform.
And so, yeah, it's been an extended warm-up process for us.
If anyone cares to give it a whirl,
it is actually accessible at saveaway.net backslash tryit.
T-R-Y-I-T.
So, yeah.
I mean, is there any specific questions or points of overlap? Happy to, happy to respond to any questions, but otherwise, you know, happy to yield the mic back to you as well, Will and Tricky and everyone else.
Yeah, no doubt. No, just great news saying what's up up so seeing how things are getting a temperature check
just vibing here my batteries are winding down but uh i'm sure one of our regen friends is going
to come in to save the day here in the next uh 27 minutes or so and then i'll be off the hook tonight yeah we're i mean awesome you can always uh join with another stream it'd be really cool if you
could just like merge you know like be like take all our current co-hosts and make them co-hosts
of the other space you know and like what other space well no like in general like you should be
able to like merge your space with a friend's space. Like, there's, I mean, there's, like, there's always another space going on, right?
Like, right now there's...
Oh, yeah, I know.
The rabbit's got a space going.
The V friend's got a space going.
Yeah, but we've got a specific emphasis with this space, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I don't know that that would be aligned, but...
If you could bring, if you could send them an invite to bring their entire space over here and join your state.
Well, I could.
You know what I mean?
That would be dope.
I mean, I could DM the host or the co-host to come over here.
Right.
Just raid.
But it should be like one seamless room merge to be part of the platform.
Yeah, I don't know.
We'll see what Elon's got up his sleeve
for the next iteration of this.
Is Elon even in control anymore?
Now everything's belonged to XAI?
I mean, he basically took one company that he owned
and bought another company that he owned.
So I don't see a...
Just so he could take it right off, the loss?
You think so he could write off the loss?
$12 billion?
Yeah.
Yeah, the $12 billion debt that X had?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, what did he sell it for?
Whatever he sold it for, he'd write it off against what he bought it for and then take that against all his taxes.
write it off against what he bought it for and then like to take that against all his taxes
well no what he did is he um he bought x for the market value of what he paid for x less
than 12 billion dollars in debt but i guess xai has like 6060 billion valuation now.
So it's just basically a leverage move to,
like you said, to be able to account for that debt and write it off.
But that's what billionaires do, right?
They play in a whole different world than we do.
Zen, DJ, and you come on tonight or are you still on the phone with your mom?
I'm here.
Okay.
I just, you know, every night I say good night to her so it's like
Gotta take precedent. You know what I mean? No, I know I lost mine when I was 21. So I know all too well. Yeah
Yeah, oh
But I'm getting ready to start winding down to
Know I guess I'm not much of a night out. No
Well, I thought you got your account suspended
I know I'm still I'm still so salty about that
I keep making appeals, but every person that I've talked to that's had their account suspended
They're just like yeah, I gave up. So unless you know someone
Really it's kind of like not gonna happen is is what I'm getting. And I'm,
I'm usually very hopeful and positive,
but I'm not getting a lot of feedback from other people about it.
But you know,
like if you have an inside person on the support team,
is that what you're talking about?
Yep, exactly. You know, because it's kind of like, uh, first of all,
I didn't have a blue check. So it's like my, my, my case is probably on the bottom of a pile somewhere. And if you don't have a blue check, you, you, you don't get assigned a human. If you do have a blue check, you get assigned a human. So, yeah, doesn't look like I'm gonna get it back, but
It's okay. Things happen for a reason I guess and you've dropped this right you run it through grok Oh, yeah, we ran it through grok
um hat sack actually ran the whole thing through grok to find out why I was suspended
You know and it was like this crazy hateful speech and stuff and all this stuff and she was like what you know
I mean like that's not night out like this crazy hateful speech and stuff and all this stuff and she was like what you know i mean
like that's not night owl you know so they did the free night owl thing for a minute tried to just
get some you know get some hashtags going to try to you know get the algorithm to like pay attention
but yeah so far i keep trying every now and then to sign on it's like you're suspended it's so crazy
and and I kind of I don't know if it was a I still don't know what really happened like if
if it was someone else or if it was just something that I did you know we were kind of mobbing spaces
and you know I don't know if it was just something that I wrote that just ticked somebody
off or something, but I can't imagine what it was.
You know,
maybe they just didn't like being spammed.
Yeah. I guess they considered it spam.
They might've like interpreted as spam.
Right. Right. Right. But it's crazy that like, you know, I get,
I get, I get,
how can I say it? Like one incident, like you can just get suspended.
Like they don't even give you a, Hey, what's going on.
If it's severe enough, I guess.
Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. I can't imagine what,
what would have been that severe, but I guess, you know,
it's all about interpretation and someone's perspective.
So it could have been maybe a normie or something that we went to and they
just got scared. I mean, cause yeah, yeah.
You know, when you're going and kind of going into spaces like that,
they're not used to it and they think it's some kind of bot.
That's what it is. I think people think that you're a bot.
Well, like there was a thing, I don't know,
I don't know how long ago it was,
probably in the last six months,
where I was in a space unfamiliar to me,
and I guess I was unfamiliar to them,
and I was really vibing with them,
so I was doing that flash emoji,
and they immediately removed me from the space.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like not even like a warning or anything like that,
but like around here, we've got a code of conduct, right? Yeah. And the code of conduct is pretty much about respect. Right. So, but it wasn't even anything like that. Like, oh, hey, we'll see if
you do that again, we're going to remove you from the space. And they know it was just instaban.
You were booted it's the band yeah so yeah so it is
what it is i mean i'll always be night owl yeah now you're zendee gen yeah i i it's funny because
uh comfy now we're talking about it i I think yesterday that like, he's like, well, you can still be night owl as a person and Zendigen as a,
your brand.
I'm like,
okay,
well that might work.
You know,
I'm still right now on Twitter.
I mean on a telegram.
Right.
Well,
it is what it is.
Someday.
I see.
Someday. Someday. someday someday someday
I see we got our next host
popping in here early that's good
sign good sign
Green Planet Conservation Initiative
oh I want to hear about this
yeah they promote environmental
conservation sustainable practices
and education through agroforestry.
Reforestation and regenerative agriculture.
There you go.
Another regen ag person.
We talked about your regen ag gardening when it grows.
Yes.
I like that.
Do I follow them?
Let me see.
Oh, you're going to check.
I'm going to check.
Also, there's Al Capow, who's with, I think it's Refi Bay Area.
I think that's the county's managing space.
They're into vertical farming or vertical gardens.
Cool.
Oh, here comes Matthew.
Yeah, Matthew.
Matthew Bumstetter.
It's got to be about 4 a.m. in Matthew's neck of the woods by my calculation.
Wowee.
But Matthew's an early writer.m. in Matthew's neck of the woods by my calculation. Wowee. But Matthew's an early rising.
Yeah.
See, that's the thing.
If I could be on the other side of it, I think I like the nighttime because it's quiet
and most of the world's asleep.
So, like, if I could get on the other side and get up at that time, I think that might work out.
You know, because then I get the benefit of that quiet nighttime, but it's like the early morning.
Yeah, I got you.
What's up, Matthew?
Hi there.
My name is Matthew.
This is my first time on Sp spaces uh what is this refly stuff
and this shit coin stuff i mean i mean git coin i have no idea what you guys are all about i mean
you're trying to save the planet i mean you're like far left radicals or who are you guys
hey tricky how you doing buddy
what up matthew yeah last get coin round you know it's like uh 5 43 here in serbia now
so i signed up for well i didn't really know what i was signing up for i said hey look i can work
from like 4 a.m to like 8 or 10 or something like that so they slotted me in for a couple hours um
so i was waking up at four or actually three because we had the time
change three and four a.m uh and then sometimes host income and it doesn't matter to me because
i don't work right now so um you know do like a five-hour thing but yeah um yeah no it's good
to be here tricky i'm really happy that uh that you're you're hosting this round is what I've heard.
Because we really do.
We've got to cross-pollinate.
We've got to attract more DeFi to understand what refi is.
Yeah, there's the not-for-profit side, which Gitcoin and Giveth is a lot about.
But there is a for-profit side that most people don't understand.
is a for-profit side that most people don't understand. You can invest. I heard that the
You can invest.
largest vertical farm, I think, is in Dubai or UAE or whatever. And at scale, it can be profitable
if you've done it right. Now, I know one big vertical farm actually just went out of business,
sadly. So that's where you really need experts that
understand what they're doing and it's got to be in the right place and stuff like that so
like in like alaska where it gets you know cold as shit and stuff like that and not a lot of sun
or too much sun you know vertical farming can make sense if you're in the desert and stuff
vertical farming done with experts that really understand what they're doing and stuff.
Yeah, you know, solar at scale.
I'm really excited about green hydrogen.
Some people poo-poo it, but at scale, if it's done safely, I think that that's a great option.
And then, you know, the nuclear fusion, I believe, or fusion, I get those those confused which is weird but the the one that's
safer and and stuff and then you got new batteries you know there's you know people you can make salt
batteries hemp batteries batteries with algae and stuff like that so there's a lot of things that we
can really invest in for the future and there's certain things that we can invest in now i'm a big fan of farming and i'm in old yugoslavia which used to be the number one or number two producer
back during tito's yugoslavia time and it's legal now there's only six strains you can't keep the
seeds it's mainly for cbd but i've got friends that are saving the stocks and we're making hemp
houses and stuff like that so yeah that's part of the reason why I'm here in Serbia.
You know, the cost of living was cheaper.
I can help out this part of the world and I love to travel.
So before COVID, I traveled a lot.
And yeah, I mean, there's a lot of need in some of the countries around this area to help green up and clean up and stuff like that.
Oh, no, I put everybody to sleep.
He's so sorry.
Please forgive me.
All right, so what have you guys been talking about?
What have you been doing?
Well, we talked about chickens and herbs.
And what else did we talk about?
We talked about a bunch of good stuff um farming and chickens and just uh
taking care of ourselves and you know not relying on allopathic medicine and trying to find herbal
remedies and you know taking care of ourselves and starting to take back our our own um health
protocols we talked about that.
Well, that's awesome.
Yeah.
I mean, I live in a small little Serbian village, probably less than 70 people.
Probably had, I don't know if it's 12 to 15 people pass away in the last almost nine years
that I've been coming to this village.
And, you know, I've got neighbors that are chickens and pigs.
They have the Mangalitsa pig here as well.
I have a lot of fruit trees.
A lot of people have fruit trees.
A lot of people have their own gardens.
Chickens, we got sheep.
We got goats.
We got some cows.
I didn't realize how many cows we had.
And sadly, most of them are on the inside.
And I don't support that.
I like, I don't like factory farming. So I'm, you know,
for the solutions like Joe Salison and, you know, Gabe Brown, regenerative farming and stuff like
that. And my stepfather was a chiropractor. So I was around alternative health and I've been
studying that literally. Thank you.
