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Let's talk the memecoin mullet strategy -- memes x DeFi w/ @doodlifts
Recorded: Sept. 15, 2025 Duration: 1:07:09Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, key players in the crypto space explored the launch of new projects and tokens, including Coinbase's potential network token and the upcoming KUSD stablecoin. The conversation highlighted trends in consumer DeFi, innovative yield opportunities, and strategic partnerships aimed at driving growth and liquidity in the evolving blockchain landscape.
Full Transcription
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I've sent some tweets out to remind people.
Love it, love it.
Get some familiar faces in the audience.
GM to all gm
gary how was your weekend good that's not as cool as yours that's for sure
dude that was pretty fun i'm not gonna lie
you celebrate at the end after you pushed that was so cool
dude i was like dude my adrenaline was
pumping so much after you pushed him over the edge i mean to the point where he actually pushed
him a little too hard over the edge sorry shout out pocky and you're back um it's a weird thing
like some teams undershoot it and they don't push him hard enough and then we like at the very end
we get one last shove which like threw him off balance it was it was bad but even still we were like he tapped his head on the water said it was okay and i was like yeah
like i don't know it was just so a lot of uh who was the influencers that gave you a 10 uh
oh uh sketch sketch yeah yeah i made sure to sneak him a DudeLives Popsicle plushie before we went to ensure a good score.
We'll give this five minutes.
Otherwise, we could just talk, track it, and let people watch recording.
Of course, of course.
Did you see that Coinbase is exploring
I just said Coinbase instead of base lol
but they're exploring
a network token
yeah that was
that was coming right
that was
a big
I don't know it's interesting
it's bullish
and gives
stakeholders on base something to sink
their teeth into but at the same time it detracts from me right it'll be
interesting yet to see with like yeah if it'll be a gas token if it'll matter to
like coinbase stockholders yeah there's a lot of interesting complexities that I imagine will emerge.
Do they give any kind of a timeline?
I can't see the tweet.
No, I mean, they didn't even commit
that they were even launching one.
They're just exploring.
Oh, yeah.
Exploring.
I'm exploring a lot of things, you know?
I'm exploring a lot of things, you know?
Oh, gosh.
I mean, I'll drop this in the Kona Telegram as well.
Yeah, I got it, yeah.
Yeah, I think a lot of people are probably at work or asleep,
so I'm not too worried about raw numbers here.
I do believe I clicked that you can record this.
So that should suffice for people that want to watch it on their own time,
which that's often what I do when I want to hear the spaces.
All right.
All right, cool.
Just dropped in the telegram.
I'll give him a minute or two.
Then I can start off and after a minute,
kind of give an update on pretty eventful few days.
Yeah, no, 100%.
100 percent you know g froth to all who celebrate you know i will i will build the biggest beam
You know, GFROTH to all who celebrate, you know?
coin in the world no one can stop us it's a permissionless network
yeah i've seen some faces from the uh the kona telegram and the kitty punch telegram so it's
awesome oh yeah virgin worlds i mean it's all you know at the end of the day it's
it's consumer def you know all the you defy, right? It's super chains. And the thesis for Kitty
Punch is, you know, these chains have very cool consumer products, consumer apps, but
often what they lack is a critical defy infrastructure that, you know, is, is essential for liquidity
and user onboarding. Because if you try to go into a chain and you have big slippage or there's, you know,
there's no way to transfer capital or efficiently move your money around, yeah, it makes even
the coolest consumer products an uphill battle for adoption.
So I think it's one of those things that, you know, early on when we saw this emergence of consumer DeFi or excuse me the latest expansion with you know the dedicated kona
app is to do so on abstract which yeah flow and abstract do different very unique different things
different types of brands different types of product offerings um and so it's it's cool to
kind of create that that connective tissue if you will for for more of the complex you know transactional and defy side
of things well well and it's it's it's interesting because i've had a lot of people ask because like
you know we've um been obviously you know defy on flow has grown massively i think it was like
6x in tvl over the year and and Kitty Punch had a huge part to play in
that. And people were asking like, well, like, isn't Flow a consumer chain? Like, what's with
the focus on DeFi? And I think it hasn't quite clicked for a lot of people how like those are not
disparate ideas that detract from each other. They're actually quite complimentary, like you're
saying, like an on-chain quote-unquote like collectibles or consumer and whatever that whatever that may mean in that
definition is becoming more and more flexible um is only made better by like a strong and vibrant
on-chain economy uh to support that and so especially now now with like everything coming
on chain like that's just more true every day right right i mean we're tokenizing everything you know you see the emergence of these tokenized vehicles for
for pokemon cards right so it's like people are gonna make their way here and it's it's
you know it's not like it's gonna be what it was early on where it's fairly walled
walled garden and you're not interacting with complex on-chain
products, you know, that complexity will be abstracted eventually, just generally over
time. But like, people are in the trenches, whether they like know it or not, with some
of the things that they're getting into. So it's like, these consumer chains have a really
unique opportunity to grow substantially relative to what I'd say more traditional
general purpose or traditional like, you know, DeFi-centric chains, like, you know, the abstracts
of the world, right? Because it is such a unique angle to target an audience that has a far larger
TAM, right? If we're thinking consumers and broader capital flows from paypal and things like that
um but then it's like you know the type of experiences you can create like even the brand
experiences and the vibes that you can introduce you know complex defy concepts with lowers the
barrier makes it more digestible even if it's hard on you know it's hard doing all the wallet stuff
still it just i think it's just the upside
and the ceiling is so much higher with this stuff. And then obviously, you know, going back to kitty
punch as a project project and, you know, our how we position our token economy is like we want to
own this, this, this d5 connective tissue within within leading consumer chains. And, you know,
I think it is such a it's such a cool thing to build in because I think we will have this opportunity to work, work at the tip of the spear of like what you figure out what are the pain points, what what can be done better, what UI, UI can be done better.
You know, what how far can we push the complexity?
You know, what can we do that's like degenerate and what people like?
And ultimately, what I think is gonna happen is like,
we're gonna have two worlds on consumer chains.
It's gonna be like, you know,
the passive people that found their way here via PayPal.
And then there's like people who farmed fricking,
you know, yams from DeFi, you know,
the original DeFi summer that are looking for the next
kind of like asymmetric opportunity.
And I think that's kind of how we've been positioned
ourselves in our token economy and people that that's kind of how we've positioned ourselves
in our token economy and people that that kind of peel back the layers of what we're building here
it's like you know there's we've got a lot cool cool stuff planned that's that's pretty fairly
complex primitives that plug plug in as our economy grows so i don't know it's just such a
cool like i love it so much like we can be really really like consumer brand centric but then like
I love it so much. Like we can be really, really like consumer brand centric, but then like have, you know, a 600 horsepower engine underneath it for DeFi complexity.
And, you know, we'll improve our UI UX as we go, obviously.
But like, it's just, I think it's such a sweet spot to build them.
Dude, I mean, yeah, you talked about kind of consumer apps and the TAM for that and everything coming on chain. I mean, my mind is continually, and I feel like I'm pretty quote unquote like progressive and how I think about
like things coming on chain and tokenizing stuff.
But even today I'm like, my, my brain keeps on getting stretched.
There's this thing on, on flow called Charizard capital.
Well, so now it's a multi-chain token.
They have one on Solana and now they have a flow,
i know they haven't flow but they have a vault of tokenized charizard cards on bz and they and
but they have a vault of tokenized Charizard cards on BZ.
they just tweeted out today that they invested in bz via the echo round which is like the the
crowdsourcing platform built by kobe i'm like are you telling me this like meme coin like on-chain
pokemon dat just invested in bz which tokenized. I'm like, man, we are out here.
This is crazy.
That would explode a mid-18th century brand.
Those words, yeah, those words exist.
It's not a sentence.
I can't find that in Shakespeare.
That's exactly it.
And I think it's a big shift that we've seen since, I would say, what I would qualify as last cycle, which I think we're starting a new cycle now.
Like we obviously we had a Bitcoin cycle just driven by, you know, MSTR and, you know, the top of the funnel from Wall Street adoption. it wasn't very acceptable to over tokenize. Right. It was, it was highly critiqued because it was like,
it was the hangover post the ICO era where it was fully promised driven.
And, you know, Hey, we're building this.
It might come nine years from now.
And it's just like a utility token that doesn't do shit.
So like everyone was even like up until like what, 2022, 2023,
we were very nervous about like tokenized products trading products things that don't have
to be you know uh the jack of all trades governance meets utility meets yield you know i mean so it's
like i think it's such the barrier of understanding has has has you know definitely lowered for
people seeing like yeah if we're tokenized in the world then we have to understand like
there's going to be numerous trading products, numerous opportunities,
things like a Charizard, you know, DAT that's trading on numerous chains. And I think that's
where it's like, it gets really exciting for DeFi infrastructure providers like us,
who, you know, kind of see this, this as a massive expansion of potential fee flows as potential TVL growth.
And so it's like, you know, we had a core deck slayer, our targeting is kind of cool
and unique things.
Because it's like, because we're smaller relative to some of the bigger players, like we can
move quicker and address some of these cooler metas.
And that's where it's like, again, it's like it thrives on the consumer chain, which obviously
Solana and stuff has its liquidity draws and its volumes and stuff.
But like that, you know, it's still very like a lot of conflating factors there as it pertains to like project launches and, you know, big fish or small, small fish in a big pond for people that are looking to launch products there.
pond for people that are looking to launch products there.
But like things like Flow and Abstract and, you know, some of these emergent consumer
centric chains that, you know, riff off of EVM or riff off of, you know, security, you
know, as an L2, I think that's really where a lot of this stuff is going to be happening,
right?
And going to be exciting.
So it's like, I think there's no better time to introduce some of these concepts.
And that's why we're sprinting so hard is to stand up, you know, our core token economy.
And then, you know, obviously on Flow, we've been there for, you know, almost a year now for creating primitives.
And we have our FBIX app coming out this month that wraps a lot of our, you know, our legacy products into a single app infrastructure and interface.
So it's very easy to use.
And then obviously the expansion into abstract with similar training products, we have yield
products come in and then a variety of different things that I think what will emerge here
is kind of a bifurcation between products that are abstract centric and flow centric based on
the user base, the types of things that are trading and things like that. So it's a really
cool opportunity for us to specialize within these very, a lot of similar things, but distinct chains
with kind of core fundamental properties as it pertains to the protocols that we launched.
So yeah, I think it's such an exciting time for consumer DeFi because it is a new frontier
and it's not saturated by any means.
And there's unique problems to solve for
that say someone building on ETH mainnet
or Arbitrum don't
face, but that's where you kind of, you know, have the opportunity, that's where the opportunity is,
right? We're able to solve some for user acquisition problems or, you know, specific
types of token trading interfaces that, you know, that need to stand up because it's specific types
of tokens that live there, anything, you know, all those types of things. And so that, again, I think that's why we're
spreading so hard to stand up Kona and then obviously continues to cement FIX on flow to,
to, to really kind of keep driving this meta forward.
Well, dude, yeah, let's actually talk about that. Cause I'm like, I'm sure there's some people who
are listening. They're live now. And thanks'm like, I'm sure there's some people who are listening.
They're live now, and thanks everyone who is tuning in, but people who might be listening to the recording later. Like, you know, you just deployed or you just announced, you know, the Kona app on Abstract.
You have the FX app coming out on Flow.
There's this Froth meme coin token.
So maybe kind of give like a little bit of the origination lore, the origination lore, like what is froth? What does it become?
Where is it going?
So people can kind of like understand the grand plan or as much as,
as much as there is one, you know, give people the high level view.
Yeah. So it's actually really cool. Cause it's like, you know, we,
we launched froth in December as just like a test of,
we built like a launch, like a pump.fun style launch pad, which was unique, you know, kind of funny enough was like at the top of the meme coin market.
So we didn't really push that product much further after the Froth launch, because obviously we had, you know, Trump launch and then Melania immediately after that.
And then the dark time since then.
We launched Froth really to kind of showcase
the first
real Flow EVM meme coin
that launched native within
Kitty Punch's product stack.
It did well
just from the size,
the scale and size that Froth could have done
on FlowEVM
at the time.
But as we were building, we're very kind of building the public centric in how we do things.
We want to build with the community, want people to watch us, and we post UIs while
We saw the opportunity to be like, hey, instead of doing some drawn out thing where obviously
we're in test net, and we want people to kind of know what's coming.
we had a protocol token for Kitty Punch's various products coming, instead of doing
an IDO or something like that and having another token associated with these various products, we decided to adopt Froth as really this unique meme coin centric vehicle as a segue to more, you May, late April, we started to tease that concept where, especially around our volatility products, frothy market volatility products, we were going to make froth something more.
And then I think it was around late May or June, we introduced the idea of the concept of the FDIX token.
And so the FDIX token, again, obviously is only mintable when you lock 10,000 froth into FDIX token. And so the FDIX token, you know, again, obviously is only mintable when
you lock 10,000 FROTH into FDIX. And then FDIX itself is a beneficiary of all the transaction
activity for FDIX, you know, Kitty Punch's app on flow. And so that's transaction fees from our
punch swap, our stable swap, from our volatility products, from our upcoming lending product,
from our upcoming algorithm stablecoin.
And to date, I think we've burned something like $70,000
alone from buybacks
with since I think it's May or June.
So really, really cool system there.
And then we really know, we really
wanted to expand this idea of like, how can we have this dual state token where we have,
you know, the memetic value, the meme coin, everyone understands meme coins can sink your
teeth into it. Froth has a Twitter account dedicated to it. You have a guy that shit posts
and engages in the community. But then obviously we have the conversion to the other side is the more hardcore DeFi token.
And then that in and of itself, just the FROTH and FBIX has a very cool,
you know, liquidity and volume and transactional fee-based game theory associated with it, right?
Where it's like, it's more liquid on the FROTH side, but on the FBIX side,
you know, it has a humming of buybacks and burns.
But then once FBIX has $100, right now, you know, it's like 33 or whatever dollars.
Once it hits $100, we unlock on Flow the single-sided staking for stablecoin yield.
And so we've been accruing from a portion of all of our fees, yield will go towards single side staking. So that
actually introduces an entire different element to the game theory of like, oh crap, I need to
actually move it over into FEIX to stake it so I can earn my stable coins with my FEIX,
in addition to obviously the buybacks and burns. And so that game theory in of itself,
there's a meme coin on one side that's more liquid, but then on the other side, there's a DeFi token that you can earn real yield with is really cool. and a new vibe and a new token called Kona that in a very similar manner, just with the
bridge version of Froth can be minted via locking 10,000 Froth.
And so what emerges is almost like a competitive, you know, a fee environment where users and
have to decide what they want to do with their Froth.
Do they want to keep it on flow and mint FBIX and earn fees there? Or do they want to bring it to Kona and bring it to abstract and mint Kona
and earn fees there? And what emerges, obviously, is whichever app has more transaction fees,
whichever app has unique angles as it pertains to the liquidity, to the volumes. You know, it's an entirely new
concept that hasn't been done. And again, it's this, this froth token is this deflation and
now deflationary capped meme coin that is just humming along and, and, and with numerous now
chain, multi-chain apps competing for its supply. And so that's why I keep posting, like I want to build the biggest freaking meme coin
in the world because like standing by itself,
Froth, you know, if you just come in at Froth,
you can go one layer deep and say,
hey, I like the guy who's posting the silly,
you know, nonsense on Twitter.
I'm going to buy this meme coin.
But then behind the scenes is this like
Game of Thrones style, you know token economy that's driven
by you know uh tens and tens you know if not soon hundreds of millions of dollars of tbl based
transaction fee generation across two of the largest consumer chains in the world and so it's
like that you know again it's what you've been you know, in building all this is like just an awareness perspective.
It's like the people that have kind of grokked it on and understood it on on flow have been like, oh, shit.
Yeah, that's that's that's killer. That's going to be something.
And then it's only going to grow from here as as more and more eyeballs from the abstract ecosystem and beyond start to see this this mechanism.
ecosystem and beyond start to see this, this mechanism. And my hope is like, eventually,
it's like people, you know, can, can, can create their own strategies around how they want to play
this, this, this multi-token, you know, dual state token system where, you know, you might,
you might live on flow for a bit and grab yield there, but then all of a sudden there's a spike
in fees on, on abstract. And so you're, you know, you convert it over to, to Kona, you know, and,
and capture those fees. But at the same time, it's like, again, it's, it's constantly being
limited. And so it's like, this will push APYs for the single size staking on both respective
chains much higher than, you know, what would otherwise be because it wouldn't have that
competitive nature to it, you know, from a, from a cap supply perspective. So I know it's long and
rambling, but I hope people can come back and listen to this,
kind of the vision of what we're building
because it ultimately does is work to drive
behind the scenes for a meme coin,
a substantial programmatic buyback and yield system
that doesn't muddy the waters
because obviously with meme coins,
utility is bearish, right?
But so it's like we have this this memetic value
and this d5 value rolled into one in a token that essentially was uh you know full of community fair
launched and and been built and you know essentially kitty punch being bootstrapped from the ground up
uh as as a you know kind of cracks team that's that's really dedicated to this mission. So, yeah, again, I'll digress there,
but I think it is that, you know, to put it very succinctly is that that mullet strategy where we
have the business in the front with all the Kona token and the FBIX token on abstract and flow
respectively. And then party in the back with Froth MemeCoin,
just riffing and doing bullshit on Twitter.
And so it's like a lot of shots on gold
to capture various metas that have proven the test of time
as it pertains to user adoption,
capital acquisition for token economies,
but in a very unique way.
And again, we wanna be one of one with this because
if people don't understand how to price things and and don't understand uh like because it's so
new and no one's done before that's a real opportunity to create something really big
from the ground up and having the early participants involved in that
dude yeah no thank you for for laying that out i'm like i'm excited to to clip that up and get to put that out there because I think that's maybe the first time that I've heard you kind of this like samurai-esque cat, both kind of playing tug
of war with the froth token. And that's, that's because I've seen something in that's been
interesting. I've seen some of the, the telegram channels, people are like, oh, this multi-chain
token, like, oh, you know, someone's just going to, you know, use this new chain as exit liquidity.
And I never thought about that, but I guess certainly enough people have done it to where
people are pretty, pretty jaded about it. But I'm like, oh, but I guess certainly enough people have done it to where people are pretty jaded about it.
But I'm like, oh, but this is so different in the way that these respective tokens, FEX and Kona, create this tug-of-war demand for the token.
So it's not just this one token that exists multi-chain.
It has these huge kind of tractor beams from these other tokens that creates this crazy demand.
And so, yeah, I'm looking forward to it I think it's gonna be awesome yeah
I think it's it's it's one of those things where you know if we're thinking
it from an abstract perspective it's like oh yeah there was balancing of either
manual users that are doing it manually or or bots that were operating off of the
you know d bridge bridge system which that happens in every chain and every
pair that's multi-chain, right?
You know, one way to look at it is that, like, ultimately this weekend and late last week
was a big push for abstract to capture an outsized portion of froth.
And with froth liquidity here, the, you know, the TVL of, you know, the potential TVL or
potential market cap of Kona goes up and
the potential utility, downstream utility of Kona, the bigger it gets, you know, really unlocks a
lot. Because what we're doing and like why we're staggering the release of say single-size staking
on FIX for $100, that's not really just like an arbitrary thing we decided
was because once we launched that,
we have a litany of products that actually sit
on top of FEIX, the token.
And so that's like a liquidity threshold
and that we're looking for $100
because it was the various V2, V3 pools
to an extent that then we can launch additional protocols
on top of the DEX token, if you will,
to keep it simple terms,
that unleash additional utility from a leverage,
from a lending and from a yield capture perspective.
And so it's a really, really cool opportunity,
again, where it's like,
that's why we had our artists,
who are fantastic, by the way,
generate that
image and kind of show it's like it's a single meme coin where two hardcore d5 protocols or
computer apps are competing for it um and you know and and and if we're you know thinking about you
know how i think about it's like no matter who wins it's like it's a it's an all ships rise with
the tide type of approach where it's like yeah if say
Kona just starts kicking absolute ass
once we start releasing our protocols this week
and through the next few weeks here
it's a huge benefit to
the froth token economy and that's
from people who have already purchased froth early on
or LPing it and things like that
that's a big boost to them
and then vice versa people
on abstract
and Kona can rest easy knowing that you know that's that's a big boost to them um and then vice versa people on on abstract and and and
and kona can can you know rest easy knowing that uh you know there's 40 what 43 44 million in tvl on
on flow that's already generating fees that essentially burn buy back and burn froth
right and so it's it's if we're thinking about a d you know i'm gonna say de-risk because
everything you know that's that's not the word i would use but if we're thinking about a D you know, I'm not gonna say de-risk because everything, you know, that's, that's not the word I would use, but like, we're thinking about a, a meme coin that's, that's like, you know, fly by night, if you will, like, I think Troth has probably the best profile that you can imagine because it's, it's backed by, uh, this, this humming, humming, hum along of, of substantial DeFi.
humming, hum along of substantial DeFi.
And again, I think that what excites me most, and we haven't even unlocked this, right?
Because we're at $3 million market cap, which is $7 million away from $100 FBIX, which is
kind of our first phase of FBIX slash Kona tokenomics that would kind of unleash the
next layer of DeFi token specific protocols.
We haven't unlocked the true game theory around any of this yet.
So it's like I've kind of like, you know,
been shooting memes out for the greater part of the last three months,
like just twiddling my thumbs waiting for $100 FDIX
so I can show you guys what the hell we've been building behind the scenes here
for Roth essentially.
But yeah, dude, I think it's going to be really exciting.
It's, again, something new.
It's a take on meme coins that's new.
It's a take on DeFi that's new.
That's been something we've been needing since 2021, right?
And I think, again, we want to blend the world, right?
It's consumer chains inherently blend the world between crypto and, you know,
what normal users generally gravitate towards to, and that's meme coins, right? It's consumer chains and inherently blend the worlds between crypto and, you know, what normal users generally gravitate towards too. And that's meat and coins, right? And I think
the froth economy and Kitty Punch and its two apps really embody that ethos, right? And so
once this really unlocks, I am so excited for what we can do with it because it's like we've got, if I'm listening off the top of my head, we're going to be bringing to Kona
Punch Swap and Stable Kitty and a few other immediate apps probably or protocols probably
within the next 10 to 15 days, depending on how much caffeine we can pump into our devs.
And then on top of that,
we've got the lending protocol punch lens,
which we've teased on KittyPunch Twitter.
We have KUSD, KittyPunchUSD,
our algorithm next stablecoin,
which is actually ready to go.
We just been kind of waiting for the right time
from a, like just a user acquisition perspective.
It's like it's live and right.
Like it's ready to go.
That in itself will fuel an entire wave of demand for both Kona and FAX token, because
it will benefit, we'll have it native issuance on both flow and abstract for that.
And so that's going to have a lot of cool utility within our swap systems, within our
lending systems.
And so a lot of additional APY that will be generated there.
And then, you know, obviously we're constantly looking to innovate around the product, you know, trading token product, respective offerings and things that we can work with as it relates to helping, you know, surge token issuance, both on flow and abstract, right?
Cause it's like, you know, especially for flow, it's like more and more,
like we need more people trade launching tokens and trading tokens and experimenting. And, you know,
I think what we want to be with Kitty Punch on both perspective change is
that, you know, kind of that, that, that shoulder to, to, you know,
to stand on that, that stand on, that pillar of liquidity and that pillar of APY and yield that you can lean into, that you can launch products on top of it, whether it's an on-chain game or a, you know, a mini DeFi app that you have an idea for.
Hell, like compete with us as it pertains to algorithmic stablecoins.
I want their, you know, I'm bullish algo stablecoins and coins and you know next gen that we've learned our lessons from the
previous but just like those types of things we want to enable and i think consumer chain
environments are so cool because it's such a unique place to do it on because it's it's not
it doesn't get lost and doesn't get lost in the the the right? It stands out and it can function adjacent to things that people actually want to go online every day to use,
like games, you know, collectible opportunities and everything that consumer chains have to offer.
And so that's why, again, consumer DeFi, I think, is going to be a lot bigger than anyone really appreciates right now.
No, I mean, you're 100% right in the way that, yeah, traditionally DeFi has been something
where people don't want to spend a lot of time engaging with it, right? They may like set like
alerts. So like, oh, if my health factor gets too low or if my yield drops, like, you know,
send me a phone notification so I can come back and check it out, as opposed to, like you said,
something you actively want to log in every day, engage with and do that. I did want to call this
out because I thought
this was really interesting. So it was Finn from the Abstract team was, you know, kind of announcing
that Kona was coming to Abstract. He was like, oh, you know, this team has previously done like 40
million TVL on Flow. And so I looked at the TVL on Abstract. It was a couple of days ago, but it
was like, I think the entire TVL for Abstract, the chain was like 24 million or something like that.
And I was like, wow, like there's such an opportunity
for Kitty Punch to really help in a meaningful way
to accelerate the abstract economy.
Right, I think, you know,
I think abstract has a lot of bridging capital, right?
It's like there's DeFi TBL and then bridge in TBL.
And so I think they've got a lot of money
waiting in the wings for, from what, you know,
this is just my outside looking in perspective. It's like, there's a lot of capital that's looking for ways to earn
yield and ways to participate in this economy, which again, is, is, is really cool. Like abstract
has, has in its DNA, the largest NFT collection of all time behind it. And has like, just it's
like, you think of like, what's at the top of the top of the mind
of everybody is is is what you know the abstract team and and by extension that you know the that's
a uh the penguin team are doing day in and day out right pushing pushing the adoption pushing
the narrative and and that's where we're like you know we wanted to get kitty punched there and stood
up because like you said it's like there, it's a blue sky opportunity to really
create, bring our primitives and create new primitives that maybe we haven't even thought
of yet on the chain that can unlock opportunities for capital to be parked and for yield to be
generated. And again, once there's yield to be captured, then you can have the secondary and
tertiary products that are built on top of it that
don't necessarily need to be like, you know, a yield aggregator. It can be a freaking, you know,
game. It could be an on-chain game or it could be a collectible system that's sustainable or a
launch pad or, you know, thinking about what do the next generation of meme coins look like,
right? And so I think that, again, that's, we're really, really heads down from a data perspective. And, you know, our comms might not be, you know, I try to post as much as possible to show a current status.
But like we're building many fronts right now to get things out the door.
But I will say the next 10 to 15 days, we'll have a lot of product launches on Abstract.
is an abstract. And then, you know, my hope is that once we are able to push, you know,
push awareness of froth high enough that it, you know, it allows FBAX to hit that threshold,
as I mentioned, of $100, then we can start introducing some of these, you know, single
side staking systems and some of these things that we've been building, these tokens, token
driven primitives on flow itself. And that launch, you know, again, like how I structure it
too, is like the launches itself like are at, you know, relative inflection points or sticky points
that would otherwise hurt meme coins, like, you know, $10 million market gap is something hard
to get over regular meme coin. But if you have an entire four, four, literally three or four
separate DeFi stack that will launch once FDIX hits $100. And by proxy, I think it's what,
Froth 1 cent, maybe? I don't know math. I should know math. But 1 cent, that's an accelerant
for the token economy. And so it's like staggering these releases as a function of liquidity for the
underlying meme coin and for the underlying uh d5 tokens both
kona and fix creates this really unique opportunity to keep kind of the foot on the pedal uh to push
push this token economy faster and faster um but yeah it's it's we're just going to be released
with a ton of stuff and you know that's where i i you know i appreciate anybody's and everybody's
feedback in our telegram channel if you have bugs or if you have weirdnesses,
we're still learning some of the abstract stack
and some of the unique things that they have to offer
that's kind of native to the chain.
Not every EVM is the same, right?
We're looking to integrate those to improve approvals, for instance,
or speed up transactions or just make the UI UX better,
but it'll be a work in progress because kind of our focus now is to get things out the door, get people aware, and ultimately get people get liquidity and get people get people into pairs, get people into trading. And part of that, and I'll, this is kind of an important point that I'll highlight is we have, you know, what we're calling corner points on Abstract, where on FIX, essentially
75% of the fees are burned for buyback and burns, and then 25% of it is used for the
single-sided staking, which again launches at $100 of FIX.
It launches at $100 of FIX.
On Abstract, at least for this initial launch and for what we're building, we have it built where it's still 25% to single-size staking for Kona, Kona token.
But instead of the 75% for burn, we've dropped that down to 50% for burn.
And then we introduced a 25% for Kona points.
So essentially what will happen,
you can already earn Kona points.
It's not live in the UI, but we're tracking it
and we'll have like a leaderboard
and kind of live accrual come out in the next week or so,
probably two weeks.
There's a lot of sub graphs and stuff.
Essentially you will be able to spend these points
on loot crates.
And those loot crates that you open will, on turn, on abstract,
will have random payloads of Kona inside of it.
And that Kona is sourced from the actual transaction activity of our DeFi app.
So again, it's like this idea where we can bridge these worlds
where it's all of a sudden hardcore DeFi meets NFT collection
and loot crates from everyone that's played CSGO or anything like that will kind of instantly
understand it. And so that's kind of why we wanted to change up a little bit of that distribution
because we're able to then create new incentive mechanisms that help kickstart DeFi further on Abstract
already immediately through transaction trading activity on our front end.
But then as we introduce PunchSwap, SableKitty, lending, we can augment your liquidity,
users adding liquidity to pools.
So not only in addition to them earning the traditional just fee generation from, say,
adding V2 liquidity or stable kitty liquidity, you will also earn Kona points that then can
be spent potentially for very upside earning of kona token through the the loop box
system um so very gamified uh and and in is our unique way to again we we built this with a fully
diluted froth token right it was fully circulating uh and so we're we have to had to build unique
ways to incentivize like you know from a points and liquidity perspective, incentivize things because we don't have 70% of our VE token supply that's designated for LPs.
But at the same time, you know as an LP or you know as a token holder, it's technically not inflationary because this is from buybacks, right, from the get-go.
because this is from buybacks, right, from the get-go.
So it's on us, essentially, you know, it's been on us to really think through
and kind of craft this token economy so that we can create some of these point programs,
some of these systems that, you know, LPs come to expect to bring in liquidity.
But I think the upside for it, you know, from a liquidity provider perspective
is even greater than what you would have for a deflationary token because outside of a few token economies that have been relatively subsidized by major players
like Coinbase, DeFi token economies are down only because it's highly inflationary for the first six
years. We're not like that, right? Because we built this off of a fully diluted meme coin.
So again, it's this new, going back to my point like how do you price
you're like how do people value you froth it's very difficult because that's all this is fairly
new and unique and and and that's why we're so excited for pushing these concepts further you
know dude no it it absolutely makes sense to me i guess it reminded me of i think one of the first
like threads i made about froth i think the opening line was like people are going to start to demand more of their meme
coins and this is many months ago and i think we've seen that kind of emerge a little bit
especially recently you know you see things like creator capital markets streaming coins
you see you saw like cards from collector crypt pump recently we have zard capital we have all
these things it's like even pump itself like the Pump coin from Pump.Fun is only bullish because
the app is generating like $2 million a day in revenue.
Like people are, it's not, and I won't say that meme coins as we know it is entirely
going away.
Like that's not what I'm saying, but I'm like, it feels like some of the more breakout
successes like have more to them.
They're trying something new.
There's more, you know, complex.
I don't even say complex,
maybe it's sophisticated kind of economies or ways to gamify it. And it feels like with froth and
ethics and Kona, there's a little bit of this energy of like, there's something for everyone,
right? Like if you just want to, like you said, like meme around and like create like, you know,
gifts of things, throwing up green, like froth, like then you could just do froth or whatever.
And if you want to, you know, go deep on either side of it, there's multiple avenues.
And then now we've said loot crates as well.
Yeah.
I mean, again, I think a lot of what you brought up is like you and I have been discussing not necessarily related to froth, but just like this market in general.
but just like this this market in general meme coins and stuff the greater part of the last year
Meme coins and stuff is the greater part of the last year, right?
right so it's like our conversations have helped like just clarify thinking and and you know every
time we riff on something we you know you and i come up with something cool right conceptually
so it's like you know i think it is it is going to be you know there's always going to be demand
for that like one bill you know similar to the 10k NFT, one billion supply token that's very immediately driven based off of an event or an activity.
But as we're thinking about sustainable economies, especially for people that are trying to build infrastructure, you have to take it a layer deeper.
And I think even for meme coins, what will emerge, like you said, is, you know, things
that I won't get into punch fix here because I was probably too deep, but like thinking
about how you can create protocols that create more sustainable meme coins so that communities
can thrive, right?
And we've done a little bit of that on Flow, and I think we're going to really try to bring
that same energy over to, to, to abstract.
Because I mean, what's good, it's a, it's a, it's, it's the cultural, cultural tokenization
of cultural conversation.
Right.
And, and that's, that's that, I don't even know how you measured that TAM, you know,
for trying to BC this, like that's, that's infinite.
Right.
But, you know, again, it's like like it's it is pvp right now and just like we had with
erc 20s with fungibles with utility tokens with entities like there needs to be a a graduation
a a um you know um evolution you know if you will of of thinking around how we create sustainable
economy so that it's less like pump and dump nonsense and more like, hey, this is a cool meme.
These guys are funny, making funny stuff on Twitter.
They should have a path to make a sustainable token.
And then whether it's your creator, which obviously a lot of people are doing creator
tokens, streamer, or just someone that's based on Twitter that's posting stuff, having
sustainable protocols,
there are protocols that help create
more sustainable token economies
is very, very valuable in addition to the market.
And I think that's, again,
stuff we're thinking about as it pertains
to some of our on-chain products
and how we can take our basic stack further
and target some of these more consumer-centric
offerings, which again, NFTs, meme coins, things like ZAR, the Charizard stuff, those
types of things is what's going to speak to the consumer trader.
But yeah, again, I think we're at a really, really cool time point for this.
And I think people are simultaneously looking for more out of meme coins, but also looking
for like, okay, we had a fun two years of post Gensler, the Gensler era, right?
Where we couldn't launch anything DeFi, you know, but what is the latest in DeFi, right?
Like, what can we do?
And so I think people are starting to think along those lines.
And so it's like, we hope people can discover Kitty Punch and some of the cool shit we've been building through that portion of that time to really advance thinking around DeFi 2.0.
And God willing, we have another DeFi summer so we can show people what that vibe was because that was immaculate.
100,000 APR yeah we gotta get all own forks back online but
no but dude I mean I think this term of like consumer defy quote-unquote you know I think
it probably has a but many many faces you know to give the Game of Thrones reference, the many face God.
But I think that anybody who's kind of looking around feels like we're poised for something like this.
With all the kind of TradFi players, not just the ETFs, but the Robinhoods launching their own chains with the ARC chain, the Tempo chain, all of this stuff.
It's like there's clearly a lot of interest and energy around bringing traditional finance on chain or at least blending that, blending the lines between what is TradFi, what is crypto. that's massive for like the validation of on-chain economies and DeFi.
Otherwise, you know,
otherwise we're not able to bootstrap enough capital and VC fundraising
and KOL connections to list on Coinbase.
Like that unlocks an entire new way of thinking about it.
So it's like there is a big shift happening right now.
And I think consumer chains and like chains that are targeting the
people that are the next wave of people coming on chain, which obviously abstract and obviously
flow have in their core DNA. And, you know, especially know from a flow perspective, you
guys are thinking about all nonstop, you know, is, is, is such, is the next opportunity.
you know, is, is, is such, is the next opportunity. And I think it's like, again,
it's like, yeah, we have what 40 million T or 20 million TV on abstract or whatever.
And a hundred on flow. But like, that's, that's like the first thing I say,
it's the first inning, right? Like that's the opportunity to scale this.
And not only from, you know, trying to, to,
to capture liquidity from the mainnet or some of the
other more DeFi-centric chains, but like, just like the users that are going to find their way
here. And like, we want their first users first, like liquidity provision to be on Kitty Punch on,
you know, via FKX or via Kona, right? And I think that's just where the future is going.
And obviously, we're going to be very complex and very degenerate, because I think that's just where the future is going. And obviously we're going to be very complex and very degenerate because I think that's what's needed right now.
But like as we scale as so such, will our UI UX right to lower and extract some of those complexities.
But I think lower hanging fruit right now on both chains still is let's create some degen shit with our friends.
some degen shit with our friends yeah dude i was joking around with some some friends over the
weekend uh you know just how how much the on-chain economy is becoming part of our everyday lives and
obviously i'm a little bit biased but we were laughing about how like at some point in the
future instead of like apple pay like you owe someone you know 10 bucks you go you know i could
give you ten dollars in liquid cash or could i send you maybe a five dollar prediction market
position it could go up could go down could i send you a two dollar duration asset it'll mature in a couple of
weeks and then it'll be 15 like and just like imagine if you could just send someone like
a position like how weird this world is going to become right it's going to be incredible right
yeah i know again it's like it's it's you got to build for, you know, you've got to build flexibility.
Like that's what we're like.
We're building flexibility into our stack to move quickly with what this future is going to look like.
Because we don't know.
Like no one knows what the hell is going to happen 12 months from now.
I think that's even more so apparent than it was in the past three, four years or two, three years where we're like, we know, okay, utility tokens are out, DeFi is out. We know meme coins and that kind of consumer centric thing is in. But like
right now, like we have participants entering the market that you wouldn't imagine a million years
a year ago doing so. Like, so we don't know what those ripple effects are going to be for on-chain
DeFi, for on-chain consumer activity. You know just that that the hyper liquid drama over their
stable coin last week like what the hell you know like that that's like a fairy tale right like um
so it's like dude i was i was dying laughing i was like you essentially and talk about people
talk about the death of the governance token i'm like paypal is essentially tweeting at hyper
liquid whales like not not like a protocol, tweeting
it just whales and going like, hey guys, we love
you guys. We love the Hyperliquid Whales.
This is crazy.
How the tables have turned.
That's why we're
so motivated to stand up
DeFi on consumer chains because
we do see
we don't know what it's going to look like exactly but there will be something here that we're going to have a similar
moment like that for for these chains right um where participants are that you would never expect
that want to jump in are jumping in on our goal and our mission at kitty punch is to make sure
that they're on ramp and their activity and their on chain activity funnels through, you know, our token economy, right. And so that's, that's, that's
our, our, our North star. And that's our, why we're designing some of these more complex,
you know, base layer token systems, so that we can create a sustainable value capture
system that, you know, again, it's like we have enough data from previous DEXs, from previous DeFi tokens on what, you know, what doesn't work.
And so it's like, let's try something new. You know, we don't need to do a 70% held back for team and liquidity providers token.
liquidity providers token. Let's do this fully fucking diluted. Let's do this in a unique way
that that's be capturing from day one. And, you know, again, like, let's, let's make let's,
let's move swiftly so that we can create this sustainably and align participants and get
people excited by it. And again, this is this is any number one, like, I won't talk much about
token size, token price or market cap like we're very small
we're a very small group you know very few people in this crypto space probably know kitty punch
despite our fairly sizable tvl and on flow um but so that's what it's like it motivates us like
let's keep building this stuff and and create this this this awesome token that like people
are when i want people to be like, wait, what is froth?
Once it's too late. I want it to be like, what the hell? No one told me about this?
That's how I envision this happening. Because the combination of DeFi
yield, DeFi buybacks, burns, and demand on both flow and abstract, I think is a new, like, like that, that's going to open,
that's going to open up the token economy a bit here and allow us to release some protocols that
we otherwise couldn't, you know, because we don't have the liquidity or the volumes associated with
it. So I think, again, I think this is going to accelerate. We're building with that in mind,
that things are going to accelerate. Like we're, we're, we stripped all vacation plans for six
months for
every team member we locked them in their rooms just kidding but you know we're just planning for
this acceleration again we we want to engage the abstract community the same way we did you know
have done and want to continue to do with the flow community to to build this from the ground up you
know with with their participation, with their active
tokenomic participation and their feedback on what we're doing. And we took a lot of stuff that
people have said from flow to heart, and it's part of what the FBIX app coming out is from UI UX
perspective. And, you know, similarly want to do that with kona and and and introduce some concepts um that hopefully you
know again as you mentioned built in the d5 tvl and once tvl throws you know that allows for the
release of additional primitives and additional uh upstream and downstream d5 offerings that um
you know unlock another inflection point of growth for abstractract. So yeah, that's what we're heads down on right now.
No, I love that.
And I know we're kind of probably
going to wrap at the top of the hour here.
But I guess I realized something
that we didn't talk about
is you mentioned that, you know,
Abstract has probably a decent amount
of like Bridge TVL,
kind of dry powder and stuff like that.
Like what is the current DeFi landscape
on Abstract?
And I ask that because like, I think I have a sense for what it is and I'm like,
I think it probably demonstrates the potential kind of market size that you guys can capture.
But, but, but I haven't looked into it probably as much as you have.
Yeah, I think it's, I think it's fairly sizable. I think there's obviously, you know,
the core of off the core of TVL capture right now, a core of locked capital is within the UniV2V3 via Reservoir tool interface and abstract swap, if you will, interface pools.
And so that's facilitating the greater portion of the TVL activity, the transactional activity.
It's meme coins, it's Pengu on chain, it's ETH on chain, it's stable coins on chain. Part of, you know, kind of, again,
I did, you know, a review of everything, you know, from my perspective as a DeFi builder,
and what we need to see and what we need to do to grow, you know, launch our primitives,
you know, things that we want to launch and create stuff that unlocks additional layers of builders, because we want everyone to come here and build, right, is really targeting first and foremost,
the stablecoin liquidity on chain and pools for stablecoins. So part of our focus coming up here,
and both from an incentive Kona points perspective, as well as protocol with stablekitty release,
we'll be targeting building up some of these stable coin liquidity on the chain.
In addition to that, obviously, we'll have native issuance of KUSD on chain, which I
think is a very unique opportunity for KUSD.
When it launches, I keep saying it's coming.
I'm like the guy who writes the Game of Thrones. of thrones but um uh you know it's it's it's it's opportunity for us to create it as a very uh
strong pillar of base pair liquidity um on on on abstract and obviously on flow um and so you know
kind of tldr for our focus here is making sure that we can stand up enough stable coin liquidity so
that whales and other participants can come in and trade with minimal slippage, you know, people that are bridging in and out, et cetera.
And then from there, you know, targeting things as it pertains to our goals for isolated leverage
markets so that we can create some on-chain leverage, on-chain opportunities to lend and borrow.
And so that's things like ETH, ETH, USCC,
and some other core pairs
that we're going to be incentivizing
and working on standing up.
And then, you know,
majority of activity on Abstract,
from my perspective and kind of my review,
has been some of these native meme coins.
And so, you know, we'd love to meet with the kind of the top meme coin teams to see how we can help
and facilitate their growth. And that's, you know, could be anything from freaking co-marketing
things, branded things to, you know, talking about Kona point farms and things like that.
And then, you know, obviously like how, what can we do to help facilitate the launch of the next wave of next generation of tokens themselves, right?
How can Kona be a hub of new issuance?
How can Kona support token economies natively within abstract?
And again, I think that it's not going to be an overnight thing, right?
Because we have a lot of, you know, launch primitives, marketing campaigns, growth campaigns, point campaigns, yield campaigns, things like that. But that's the type of stuff that we're
working on behind the scenes to really stand up DeFi here. And once those kind of TVLs grow and
some of the pools that we see hit size that we want to see, then we can start releasing some
kind of secondary tertiary protocols and DeFi, you know, experiences on top of that, that can generate more transactional volume,
generate more fees, and benefit Abstract itself, but at the same time benefit the Kona token
via the buybacks, burns, and then obviously the single-sided staking.
So yeah, again, I think it's a blue sky opportunity.
There's teams here building, and from DeFi perspective already, and from my perspective, they're doing an awesome job.
And I think it's one of those things where it's like, you know, not dog eat dog by any means.
Because it's, as I mentioned, that the PAM and the opportunity for consumer change is so massive that there needs to be different angles, different approaches to how to build different things. And ultimately, the more pools, the more routing, the more liquidity on chain,
the more things that we can build on top of it and all ships rise as that kind of core TBL and
that core liquidity grows. So yeah, again, I'm very excited by why we've been pushing so freaking
hard over the last two, three weeks to get things out.
And then, you know, again, the next probably 10 days, we'll have the launch of the Kona token where you can lock your froth.
That's already pretty much ready to go.
I'm just kind of waiting for my marketing perspective to see if the market stops running, the global market.
And then we have our DEX infrastructure, which we'll be introducing shortly thereafter.
Awesome. Awesome. Yeah, I'm so excited to see what y'all are building there. And I'm like,
and it's cool to say, I'm trying to think of the way to put this. It's funny because it's like,
all the stuff you're talking about is building on abstract chain, which I don't have a huge presence on.
But I have Froth, I have Ethics, and I'm like that kind of tug of war.
I'm like I'm just excited that it creates more demand for the token economy and grows the token economy around Froth and all of your associated apps.
So it creates this like very aligned excitement.
And so I'm just jazzed for everything you're doing.
Right, yeah.
And part of
what we wanted to do with this was like we wanted it all be value additive we didn't want it to be
a deterrent from our efforts on any one given chain right we want it to be something where it's
like you know and it's not a new concept right it's like uniswap has their uniswap token on each
chain it's not a new concept but what is new is the game theory around it, right? Where it is unique to each chain, which hasn't really been done before in such a way.
You know, people have launched dedicated brands within new chains and tokens for those
brand chains, but it hasn't had that kind of crosstalk.
And ultimately it's like, again, it's like, if I'm an Ashtray user or if I'm a flow user,
I see a new ecosystem being launched into that has substantial demand,
substantial upside as it pertains to user acquisitions and transactional
volumes. That's really cool. If I hold for off, I'm like, fuck yeah,
that's awesome. But if I'm an abstract user, I'm like, okay,
this new kid in town, who are these bozos?
I can look to the track record and the established hourly buybacks and
burns on flow as a, okay, this is humming along. They have a foundation, a pillar by which they're
building and extending off of that. I think I want to participate in this token economy,
or I want to participate in this point system, or I want to participate in this point system, because I understand that they're doing things in a value-additive way
and want to, again, grow in a unified way,
and, you know, not without hopefully friendly competition, right?
Where it's like there might be more supply in a single chain
that unlocks unique things for that chain
just by a function of liquidity, right?
So, again, I think it's, there's going to be a lot of, no matter what happens, we want
the core thing to win, right?
Froth demand is froth demand no matter how you slice it.
And again, we're in the first inning of what this is, right?
We haven't, we have buybacks and burns on flow, but we haven't really single
side of staking up flow yet.
Like when that launches, like it's going to be at this point, cause we've been accruing
the fees all this time.
It's going to be mid five, mid six or excuse me, mid five to maybe even low six figures
of yields for a cap supply of a token.
You know, that's, that's, that's, that's all of a sudden it's like,
do I make the decision to bridge or convert my froth into FBIX to earn that yield?
But all of a sudden we have this new player in town, abstract that will have probably
my guess, my gut, notably higher fee generation, just, you know, from a transactional volume
perspective, that all of a sudden creates an invariant
in game theory. It's like, what corner
of the market within the froth economy do I want
to corner as a holder?
And that's the sweet spot
of like, oh shit, froth is
very important for all this. And it's this
silly meme coin run by
this comedic man
on the
froth Twitter account, all of a sudden is thrown in the middle of a war of giants
and DeFi so that's kind of why we've been joking internally about it dude yeah that's that's
hilarious and do I remember I think you you guys announced that Froth is going to be an abstract
and like like you said we we joke around here on crypto Twitter it's like it is programmed you
know what I mean but like the buybacks are literally programmed.
And I'll see them humming along, you know, a couple dollars here and there, here and there, here and there.
And it was like then all of a sudden one came along.
It was like $1,000.
And I was like, oh, something's happening on chain.
And so it's just great.
But I know we're a little bit over time here.
Yeah, we can call it here.
But, yeah.
You're super busy as are we.
But, dude, this is great I hope that people get an opportunity to re-listen to this understand what you're trying to achieve with
with Kona with ethics with froth with kitty punch more broadly um it was great to hear you just kind
of articulate your thinking with that um even though we chat about it often it's just awesome
to to hear uh so thank you for sharing that.
And I appreciate you kind of seeing this because, again,
I think I'm one of those people where it's like, you know,
I'm in my head a lot and I'm thinking about this all day.
So it's good to get it out so that people are on the same page.
So I agree.
Hopefully people can come back and listen to this hour.
A lot of, you know, expositionosition and rambling as I tend to do.
But I think this
is probably the most holistic
review and
detail of what this economy is.
I'll continue to work with the design
team and things
like that to put out more infographics
information and we can do some AI
have a guy jumping
between tracks
in those little videos you see on YouTube shorts or whatever talking about information and we can do some like AI, you know, have a guy jumping between tracks on
a, you know, little videos you see on YouTube shorts or whatever, talking about froth economy.
Keep the Gen Z attention.
But yeah, just increasingly increased awareness.
That's been the missing piece, right?
You know, it's just the awareness of the froth economy and how it plugs into things.
it's just the awareness of the froth economy
and how it plugs into things.
And, you know, the next steps here,
especially on flow with the wrapping of all our stuff
within the FDIX apps for a single view,
the legacy apps will still exist,
but, you know, will slowly be removed
so that, you know, people can understand
FDIX namesake, FDIX token, Kona on abstract,
Kona token.
Very simple.
Froth is the connected tissue.
Love it.
Love it.
Dude, thank you, DR.
Appreciate you.
Yeah.
Always a pleasure, dude.
We'll let you get back to it.
I'm, again, jealous of your weekend.
It was a lot cooler than mine.
I drink plenty of Red Bull,
so I'm definitely crashing from that.
All right, man.
And thank you everyone for tuning in.
And you can find us in Telegram and we can riff on stuff.
And I'll probably be releasing something
in the next 48 hours here
from a Kona minting perspective.
So keep an eye on that.
Cheers.
