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LetsExchange - Community Hangout
Recorded: Jan. 24, 2026 Duration: 1:21:57Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, Let's Exchange highlighted its evolving role in the crypto space, focusing on project launches, partnerships, and trends that prioritize user privacy and decentralized finance. Key announcements included the introduction of the TCY token, enhancements to their swapping capabilities, and a commitment to user satisfaction through efficient service and support.
Full Transcription
it's time for a space not just any space but we've got some special guests today let's exchange
community monero baby everyone get in here i see let's exchange right there excellent
oh i thought i already followed the others the rune bond account guys give let's exchange a
follow follow let's exchange we're so happy to have him have them here you guys it's gonna be a great space let me join his co-host here fantastic we're gonna get kenton on the stage as well i'm gonna go ahead we're gonna
get the introduction done here guys for the thor chain side and then we're gonna exchange to our
friends here so let's go welcome one and all let's get this intro out of the way thor chain is the
world's leading bitcoin decks and now you can use every Bitcoin wallet in the world
and you don't have to connect it to a website.
Same with Ethereum, XRP,
BNB, Tron, Doge, and more.
Maybe XMR. Eventually you'll be able to
swap from any token, from any wallet
to any token. It's a beautiful thing, guys.
ThorChain is turning into a full
layer one liquidity engine where apps can be built
on top of it. The new app layer,
Rujira, unlocks lending perks, Bitcoin back, stablecoin, token launchpad, NFT prediction
markets, and so much more, you guys. ThorChain isn't just a DEX. It's becoming the protocol
of pure, uncensorable liquidity. Swapping on ThorChain is permissionless. There is no KYC.
Anyone in the world can use it. To swap on ThorChain go to ThorChain.org and click swap
new features and functionality will be added to the site over the next few months if you encounter
any issues whatsoever there is an email button that you can push to submit a ticket ThorChain's
token is called RUNE that is spelled R-U-N-E you don't need to buy or hold RUNE to place a swap on
ThorChain but the fees deducted from your swap are used to buy Rune, and this is the Rune that goes to liquidity pools and nodes.
There are no block rewards on ThorChain. 100% of the yield is real, and ThorChain is currently deflationary, with 5% of the revenue being burned.
If you hold Rune on a centralized exchange, you should withdraw it into self-custody, because these tokens can be used to short-sell Rune and drive down the price on us, right?
So once in self-custody, look into bonding your Rune to a node
to earn some yield and help secure the network,
which can drive up the Rune price.
There's RuneBond and Runtard and other node operators
who can help find new node operators.
This has always been a shout out to the community.
If you have some technical skills, particularly with Kubernetes,
or you're interested in learning and you want to take something on,
reach out to us.
We will give you all the materials you need.
You can start by reaching out to at runetard on X.
That's at R-U-N-E, TARD on X.
ThorChain also has another token, you guys, called TCY.
This token is kind of like a preferred stock,
where 10% of the protocol's revenue goes, these token holders.
If you deposit crypto into Savers or took out a loan on ThorChain,
make sure to claim your T-C-Y token so you can start collecting this yield.
And anyone can buy T-C-Y token on ThorChain.org as well.
There's a ThorChain community Discord and Telegram.
You can join to learn all about ThorChain, make lots of friends.
To find the links, go to at ThorCommunity,
that's at T-H-O-R Community account on X. learn all about ThorChain, make lots of friends. To find the links, go to at ThorCommunity,
that's at T-H-O-R Community Account on X. Guys, this space is towards anyone in their ThorChain journey, whether you are a veteran or your first time, there will be something here. And speaking
of which, guys, we have some really special guests that I am so excited to have them here.
We got Let's Exchange here, and we're going to be talking all about
them very shortly, but I want to kick it real quick to my co-host Kenton. Just give a quick
update. We're going to get this show on the road. Go ahead, Kenton.
Yeah. Thanks Patriot. Well, to be honest, I don't really have much of an update.
The Masari quarterly report went out. So you guys can check that out on the there's a link to it I think I
don't know if the ThorChain account reposted it but you guys should a TC intern they did okay I
see it there yep so you go check that out I guess maybe update with Masari we're working on a
dashboard there like kind of like what you see on dune um the thor chain dashboard on dune where it has like
lots of metrics and charts we're getting something like that on massari and it's not so much we want
necessarily a dashboard per se but um what we want is to get into massari so that when people are
searching for um you know like highest revenue blockchains,
that ThorChain starts showing up.
And so to get into their database, their feed,
so that we're there,
we get a dashboard with it, if you will.
So it's kind of like if maybe you stop eating bread,
but you order a hamburger,
you still get the buns on the hamburger.
You just don't eat them.
So, you know, the meat for us is in Masari is getting into their, their system so that
we start showing up in the search results and the bread is the dashboard.
And we're hoping that'll go live in, in beginning of February and yeah, maybe I'll stop there
and we can jump right into LexExchange.
Perfect, man.
And thank you for your patience, LexExchange.
We try to get these,
when we have spaces,
we try to have a high signal ratio.
We don't like noise.
We don't like to waste anyone's time.
And that's just how we roll here.
So I'm going to kick it to you.
What is LexExchange?
And then we're going to go into questions.
You know, we'll break it all down.
But could you give an introduction of what LexExchange is and how long you guys been around for?
Yeah.
Hey, guys.
Super good to connect and having an MA session today with you.
So I'm Nadine.
I'm leading B2B team at LexExchange.
And LexExchange is available on the market from 2021.
We are going to have a five-year anniversary in March.
So it's been a while.
And I personally work at Let's Exchange for over three years.
So we are a cross-chain swap provider.
We support 20 plus liquidity sources, centralized and decentralized one.
So you can swap with us anything to anything like Bitcoin to Sol, Sol to Sui, Bitcoin to Monero.
That's what I would like to talk today.
And yeah, in several clicks, we already integrated in Trezor, Edge, Trusted, Tonekeeper, Cake Wallet, Unstoppable, Wallet, Edge.
So you can use us in a lot of companies.
Probably you already used us, but you didn't know that you already used us.
So super excited to chat with you more today.
Okay, cool.
So go ahead, Kenton.
No, do you want me to run the questions?
Sure, go ahead.
Yeah, go for it, brother.
Okay, so let's exchange is not a DEX.
It's a centralized exchange, right?
Yeah, but it's a good question to ask.
We are not a centralized exchange and we are not a DEX.
We are more like an aggregator.
And it's a super popular question and a fair question that a lot of companies ask us and our partners.
Because it's like a lot of companies don't
want to work with middle layer when you don't understand what is behind.
So from our side, we are an aggregator.
We take liquidity from 20 plus liquidity sources, centralized and decentralized one to find out
the most reliable execution path.
So we can provide not only the best price,
but we provide the best speed for the swap.
We see what is the best liquidity,
what is the best routing,
and if it's a large sum,
we can divide it by 20 plus sizes.
For example, if you'd like to exchange with us 100 Bitcoin,
we will divide it by 20 plus liquidity providers.
So we are more like an aggregator, but we are definitely not a centralized exchange.
But you will aggregate centralized exchanges?
Yes.
You tie into them?
Yes, it's totally right.
We aggregate centralized exchanges and decentralized exchanges.
And we have our own
smart routing. So we have our own logic how to find the best route. It's not only like you just
do a swap via centralized exchange because we have automatic AML and if AML fails, we do a refund.
So it's a different logic comparing to centralized exchange. And you have the option not to pass and don't
have a registration. You just can open our website and swap anything to anything and it's the same
logic that you can open any wallet or aggregator who works with us and you also don't need to
create an account and so on. So there's no KYC, no account opening, no nothing to use Let's Exchange?
Yep, it's a good question.
Yes.
So the short answer is no.
So how it works?
We have automatic ML, and if ML fails, we do a refund.
But at the same time, it's super important to mention that we work as an aggregator. So we
take liquidity from different liquidity providers. And sometimes, for example, if it's any asset and
it's provided by our partner, so if ML didn't fail, everything went smoothly and providers see some high-risk case and they can ask for KYC, but it's a
super rare cases that happens like one out of 10,000 cases.
And here we help users to pass it.
So have you had to do that?
So you have had to do it before where you had to ask a user for KYC?
Yes.
Okay.
We had several cases because we work as an aggregator.
And sometimes when AML went through and our providers received funds and some cases occurred.
Yes, we help users to pass this process.
But in 98 percentage of cases,
if a mile fails, we do a refund immediately to the user.
So in our case, we don't hold user funds and for us,
as we also focus on privacy,
the best case scenario is to return funds to the user.
But yes, if it's on our provider side,
and sometimes it can happen everything,
for example, some hacks or scam alerts,
we help users to finish it and we are responsible for that.
We work with the user.
And you can check it on our Trustpilot ratings that we have
the highest Trustpilot rating among all of
the swap providers that we help each user to solve the case together.
So when you say AML, you mean like you're screening the wallet address to see if that
address is connected to anything bad?
Yup.
Yup.
So we have automatic AML screening and it screens every deposit regardless of the
asset and that's all.
So if all good, we proceed with the swap.
So then, so sorry, I'm a little bit confused.
So before you said, if you get crypto from like a bad address, if it doesn't pass the
AML, you'll just, you return it.
And then in some cases you ask for KYC. So when do you decide when to just return the crypto versus ask for KYC?
Yeah, it's a good, it's really one of the greatest questions that it's important to share.
So how it works.
All the swaps that we conduct at Let's Exchange,
we have a mail check.
And if a mail fails, we do refund.
But there are some cases when, for example,
some unique address or, for example,
the hack is not found out yet by a mail providers
or by, I don't know, something like stolen funds or some kind of this X, and it's already on provider side, and providers, not us, already know about this case, they can hold the user funds until they find out what is happening next.
Because of that, for example,
if everything is good,
we proceed with the swap,
it's like, oh, it's fake alert.
Or for example, they'll take the funds for
one day before they will find out what's happening.
Or for example, in some rare cases,
for example, it was stolen funds.
Yes. Prov provider will ask us
to help with KYC,
we'll go to the user
and we'll help user
to pass KYC.
Did I manage
to reply a question?
I think so.
Patriot,
do you want to jump in?
I know you like,
you love this subject.
Do you have any,
any questions?
I think she answered it
pretty good.
I think,
you know,
maybe we'll go
to the next question.
Like when it comes to the final execution and I'm sorry if you, I didn we'll go to the next question. Like when it comes
to the final execution, and I'm sorry if you, I didn't catch you, but you said that's like,
what's the final execution layer? Is that Let's Exchange or is that like a liquidity provider,
or does it depend on the source in your aggregation? If that makes sense.
Yeah. Thank you for asking that. It's a good question too. Execution is performed by the selected route.
It's basically performed by our liquidity provider.
Our liquidity provider completes the swap.
But the main thing is that what we do at Let's Exchange,
we control the decision on which roads to take to execute the swap.
We also solve all the user facing execution cases.
So the swap is performed and is
executed by the liquidity provider.
But here at Let's Exchange,
we have our engine that chooses
the best provider for the best given pair,
evaluate the timing and also the
network condition provider performance completion probability a lot of stuff because you know that
for some swaps like zk cash to xmr we will choose abc provider for some swaps like bitcoin to zana
we will choose another provider because thenana is available only on ABC exchanges.
So it's case by case.
Or if it's the most popular swap like Bitcoin to Ethereum, we will divide this amount by
10 providers.
So we have this engine that works on that.
Okay.
Okay.
And I'm going to ask one more question, then I'll kick it back to Kenton.
Okay.
So a lot of people in the audience, right?
They love XMR. Oh, you're transmitting. You want to Kenton. Because, okay, so a lot of people in the audience, right, they love XMR.
Oh, you're transmitting.
You want to mute yourself real quick, Alexis, Shane.
You're transmitting sound.
So there's a lot of people who are listening,
and they have XMR, things like that, right?
So the one thing they're going to want to know is,
if I use your service, they want to know,
have you ever frozen or blocked user funds before?
I think that's their big hiccup, right could you address that yeah of course and this is
a user who do a lot of swaps I understand this pain and the short answer
is no of course no so let's exchange does not block user funds however it's
super important and transparent to share that since exchanges are carried out not by us, but by our providers with their own ML politics, the situation is way more complex.
So there have been cases, the ones that I mentioned with KYC, where swap is passed by liquidity provider due to ML risk.
And if ML fails, our swap providers, our liquidity providers and us, we try to do refund.
Like in 90-80% of cases, we will do a refund.
But it's really important to understand at what stage the exchange stops.
So if it stopped on this first step of OML, we will do a refund.
It's not a problem.
But there are some cases when, super rare cases, when situation may arise where the funds pass out checks,
as I mentioned before,
and the exchange is stopped by the provider, not by us.
And in this case, scenarios, yes, it's super unpleasant one.
We'll help users to solve these cases.
So it's super rare cases.
And we try to explain everything on our website. We
try to be as transparent as possible about that. And we write it on our terms of use. So we don't
hold user funds. We don't block the funds. We don't hold them. It's not our revenue stream and so on.
But on our provider's side, it can have like one or two percentage cases. so yeah did i manage to reply your question correctly and
right and transparently yeah i think i'm for me yeah i'm gonna go ahead and kick it back to kenton
i said yeah like i've i've read like change now and change lead and some of these other providers
like yeah that's their business plan is to freeze X percent of funds and just not give them back or sit on it for months and, I don't know, earn some interest or trade with it or whatever.
Like they do it on purpose.
Have you heard anything like that?
Is that true?
Do you have any insight into that part of the industry?
It's a tricky question because each swap provider and Web3 world is super small, so we know each other.
Yes, I heard several cases about that, and I think they have different ML policies comparing to us.
I think it's better to ask ChangeLi or Change.now about how they handle it on their side.
But on our side, I can say that we have a super good Trustpilot rating.
We work with each customer. We work with each B2B partner and we try to reply a sub.
So if you reach out to our support team in one minute, minutes, we'll reply and say like, what's happening right now?
When you do a swap on our website, you can see each step of the exchange.
So as I mentioned before, it's not our revenue stream and we try not to, we don't hold user funds and our providers too.
So how to say it rightfully?
I think that it's a similar cases to them, but they have a different
AML policies and it's better to ask them about this question. But yes, of course, I heard a lot
of cases and not even them. A lot of companies have some cases about that. That's why here at
Let's Exchange, we are proud to have a really good rating at Trustpilot. We are proud to have a lot of
to have a really good rating at Trustpilot. We are proud to have a lot of good cases with our
partners. I can say that we work with 90% of privacy companies like Cake Wallet, Edge Wallet,
Unstoppable Wallet, Houdini Swap. And we work a lot to provide the best execution. And one of the
things that I really like about our company, we have real people in our support
team.
So if you reach out to us anytime, we have three shifts.
I think our support team is largest team among all of the teams.
And I'm envy about that a bit.
So each time if I do a swap or I'm super curious to do a swap for a new asset, I try to list
it up on Let's Exchange and do it on Let's
Exchange because I know that if I'll reach out by any like in Telegram, in our website or via email,
I'll receive a reply in one minute. So I think my answer is not so short, but I tried to explain it
in each step. So Kenton, what do you think? Did I manage to reply to your question? Or did you hear similar cases about us?
Or what do you think about this matter?
Well, to be frank, no.
I've only not heard anything about Let's Exchange.
I actually didn't know about you guys up until, I don't know, a month ago,
two months ago.
And which maybe is a good thing in a sense right because you only hear
the reason i've i know of changeling change now and these others is that
it's from the negative news from them freezing funds right and you know that tends to spread
quickly um you know and so i guess i'll say maybe the fact i haven't heard of let's exchange maybe
that's a good thing because nothing negative has happened.
So nobody's been screaming about it on the internet.
But can you maybe actually, roughly,
what's your lifetime volume on Let's Exchange?
Where do you rank?
How big are you relative to, say, your competition?
Oh, it's a good question.
I think I'll need to double check with our team about that
because I only know some volumes for last year,
for example, for B2B side.
And I think it's a bit under NDI,
but I can surely say that I think among our competitors,
we are number three or four in the market.
So change to change now, maybe we have some three or four on the market. So change will change now.
Maybe we have some more similar swap providers to us.
And I think we are three, four, five place in the world because we have high volumes.
We work strongly on B2C direction, on B2B direction.
One of the things maybe because you didn't hear about us for some time because previous three or four
years, we work most as white label company for B2B wallets
and aggregators. And only last year, we decided also to focus
on our B2C direction. And Changely changed now and similar
providers, they started from another side, they started
mostly from B2C direction. And also one of the things that I think is really good about Changely is they started to work before the Binance from 2013.
So that's why a lot of companies know about them.
So I think we are on the market for five years and we're already in top five, maybe top three.
So I feel pretty confident about that.
Hopefully after our MA session will finish, I'll try to share our volumes,
maybe if our legal department will allow me.
Yeah, that'd be great.
You know, post it.
Well, so I guess we can keep,
unless you have any follow-up questions, Patriot,
maybe we'll keep moving on.
Keep going, brother.
You're doing great.
Okay.
So I'm curious, like like if you guys are handling you know if you're aggregating like between dexes and sexes um
how do you handle volatility like you know if there's different prices in all these different
platforms um and how do you get your user the best price? Is it like, I'm assuming, some kind of average of all the prices?
And especially if the token's illiquid, how do you give the user the best price?
Yeah, but especially right now when the market is so unsteady and you don't know what's going to happen,
I think it's really important for the user to understand.
So we have two modes. We have a
fixed mode when, for example, you would like to exchange ABC and you'll receive ABC. And no matter
what is happening, if even Bitcoin will collapse from 90k to 16k, you're going to receive this
amount. And it's the final amount that we show via API or that we show on our website. And we also
have a floating rate. It's like a market rate where we have some our website. And we also have a floating rate.
It's like a market rate where we have some slippage.
And according to the slippage, we will provide this amount.
So we have a routing engine that doesn't just change the best quote.
Because it's like, yes, we can have a best quote for some amount, like for one Bitcoin. But we have a lot of users who change 10 Bitcoins, 100
XMRs, and so on.
So we don't just change the best quote.
We evaluate liquidity.
We evaluate fees amounts.
We evaluate volatility conditions, historical provider performance, network costs, and a
lot of these metrics to provide the slippage for floating rate.
And it's all automatic.
That's why swaps is super fast based on my experience and based on our partner's experience,
of course.
And we have a fixed rate.
So if the market is unsteady, I usually recommend to use fixed rate because I had a case when
the market collapsed.
I think it was in October, right?
When the market collapsed and you're like, from 120K to 19K.
And of course, during this kind of market, I would recommend to use on any exchange to
solve provider a fixed rate.
But if this market is steady, you know what is happening.
The best case scenario for any exchanges is to choose floating rate.
So can people place limit orders on less exchange?
Not yet, not yet, but I am pushing for this feature.
You can choose only, for example, because you need to deposit the funds.
So we have a feature when you go through our API on our website, you have like 25 or 30 minutes timeline when you need to deposit the funds.
Because if it's more than 30 minutes, you know,
happen for example, a six collapse, right? So that's why we don't have yet
this option, but I'm really pushing to have it. So hopefully, maybe this year we are going
to launch it. Like limit orders.
Okay, so you said people have to deposit their crypto on the exchange first before they can
trade. But I thought you don't take custody of funds. Am I mixing something up?
Yep. I think I understand the question. So yeah, first of all, if you do a swap on our website,
you deposit funds to us, we check via email, and after that we proceed with a swap. So technically, we are not custodial.
But before to understand, if we can proceed with the swap,
we provide the deposit address where you deposit the funds
and we proceed with the swap feature.
And it's the same via our wallet provide, via our API.
Okay, so before you provide the deposit address,
you run your AML check.
And then if it passes, then you give them the deposit address?
No, no, no.
We give the deposit address, and after the funds are deposited, we do our AML check.
We couldn't do it beforehand.
Okay. And if I'm a fan, when we already have this on our deposit,
we can do a refund.
For the same, for example,
wallet address from which one we receive funds. How do you do a refund
if you don't have custody of it?
It's a good question.
So we receive it on unique wallet addresses and we do...
Oh, yeah, but it's a tricky one, Kenton.
Let me double check with our technical team because I thought that it's also in a non-custodial way how we do it.
Okay.
I'm just trying to think what else.
So you mentioned, you keep mentioning Bitcoin and Monero.
So like you do, you don't just do EVM tokens, you do UTXOs.
How many, I guess, how many tokens do you support in total?
Right now we support more than 5,000, almost 6,000 assets.
We support over 300 plus networks.
And one of the things that I'm super proud of our team,
we support all privacy assets like XMR, ZKCash, Pivik, Zana, Dash.
So you can swap anything to anything with us.
So, yep, it's not only AVM.
I think our main unique value proposition is that we support cross-chain swaps. So when
you go to us, you shouldn't care. Like, can I swap this to this? You can swap it, probably.
Well, this is probably a good segue into Monero because that was kind of like, you know,
the genesis for reaching out to you guys in this space and everything. So you can trade monero no problem um you know there's exchanges all around the world
that keep delisting monero and you know it's getting harder and harder to find a place to
to buy monero um you guys i assume you're pro privacy like are there any
do we i don't want to try to ask do you see one day where let's exchange
might stop offering monero um or is it the opposite you you want to support it no matter
what no matter how hard it is you're gonna you're gonna do your best to continue supporting it
oh i see so as uh yes it's it's more difficult to support Monera each year because previously, for try support any assets that is available so as while
a lot of our swap liquidity providers are going to support Monero we would be happy to support it
and we are also happy to integrate most providers liquidity providers to provide the swap feature of
any asset to any other asset it's not only aboutero, but it's about all the privacy assets. And one of the things, our direction, as we started, we had the privacy direction for over five years, and we would like to proceed to work the same way. We would like to proceed to support privacy assets, this community. And it's not only about our service, you know, Kenton, it's also about how we work
as a team. So we have all these DeFi principles, all these privacy principles among our team
members and among all of our products. So the third answer is yes.
Do you have an idea how much Monero volume you do or what percentage it is of your of your total?
Oh, let me open our looker page right now.
I think it's the best scenario,
but what I can say from, for example,
last year statistics that I have checked,
Bitcoin to Monero, you can even open our website.
It's the main pair that we provide.
Also, it's one of the main pair is that
it's available on our B2B direction.
So probably, let me double check.
I have this on my dashboard.
So for example, for last month, I can say,
let me check.
So it's almost 30% of all our volumes.
Did you just say 80%?
No, no, no. For one pair, it's 30% of our volumes that I can say. But it's only for
the B2B directions that I can say. I not sure about btc one but probably the same amount
maybe even more so and it's up it's for the last month but right now monero is on it's on all-time
high it's different month to month so uh did you catch that kenton i i'm trying to clarify so the
percentage okay so let's say btc to Monero. What percentage would that be roughly?
It's roughly 30% of our last month's volumes.
Wow.
For B2B direction.
3-0, 30%.
30%?
Yeah, sorry about my accent.
It's okay, don't worry.
So, okay, I have a question about thoroughput here so okay xmr monero is something that you
know the fortune community really wants right it's and it's really hard to add permissionlessly
you know natively all that stuff so um i was just curious about thoroughput like how much
volume you can handle so like if there's a b BTC whale listening right now and they say, I want to swap $5 million
from Bitcoin to Monero,
would Let's Exchange be able to handle that?
Or do you recommend smaller increments?
Oh, wow.
Thank you for asking that.
I think it's my favorite question right now
because yes, we can handle it.
And we have several partners
whose average swap amount is this amount.
And usually to provide the best quote and the best speed, as I mentioned earlier, I usually like the sample of 10 millions.
So we will divide these 10 millions by 10 liquidity or 20 liquidity providers by 1 million or 500K.
And we will handle the swap.
And one of the things that I compare monthly and weekly with
our team, we are one of the best provider for the high ticket.
So for example, for example, maybe we are not the best
provider for $100 swap, but for large amount of the swap, like
for the whales, we are definitely one of the best swap
providers and I can say that surely okay so um i think you know this is another question it's like so if you
have someone because a lot of whales do listen to these uh spaces you know um or the recordings and
so um when it comes to let's exchange when the swap is actually happening like are they able to like monitor what's going on
um or is it like a black box like what's happening under the hood are they able to discern that while
it's happening oh of course uh so of course you can see it for example if you open our website
you can see each step what is happening we don't't like this trust me or black box kind of thing. We try to work even harder to be as transparent as possible. So you can see each step each minute as a slippage. So hopefully this year we are going to be like maximum, like one of the most transparent provider in the world. But even now we have each step that is available
on the website.
When I do a swap, I can, I'm a paranoid
because I lost some funds already
by using different DEXs and ZEXs.
So I really enjoy when I do a swap to see each step
and you can do it via Let's Exchange.
And also one of the things that I really like
about our transparency,
we provide when you, for example, choose a pair like Bitcoin to Monero, you can choose, you can
see the amount that you are going to receive and we don't have any hide and face, you know.
So you're not going to be upset like, oh, I received not one Bitcoin but 0.9999. So if we
said that we are going to provide you one bitcoin you are going to receive one
bitcoin and it's the same way for our transparency on our website via api and so on okay what about
yeah yeah you did um what about the fees are the fees uh fully disclosed beforehand i'm assuming
so because you you know you said if you you're gonna get one bitcoin you're gonna get one bitcoin
but is there any other possible fees that people have to worry about maybe like a slip fee in terms of volatility could you break that down a little bit
for the fixed rate it's uh if you are going to if you say that you are going to receive one bitcoin
you are going to receive one bitcoin for the floating rate for the floating market rate because
of the market condition uh we have a slippage.
I think it's around 3% slippage because if something happens, the difference can be maximum of the 3%.
And we take responsibility for that.
Currently, we are working on it to provide users and partners with even greater transparency.
on it to providing users and partners with even greater transparency.
So we would like to show these fees, for example, at the end of the year, maybe in Q3, we are
going to provide like to display the fee structure for each exchange.
So you can see detailed information.
Right now, we just show you the final amount that you are going to receive.
But probably in Q3, we are going to provide like hey
uh we have done this this and this it's a network fee this is a mail fee and so on
so we are working on it really hard right now okay so uh i'm i'm at let's just say i'm at
let's exchange i'm about to make a swap right let's just say ten thousand dollars on your
exchange does it give me the is it going to Hey, this is going to be a fixed rate or,
or this is a floating rate. Is it just,
is that automatically selected or is that configurable from the user's point of
view? You know what I mean?
Oh, yep. Sure. It's configurable.
You can choose on our website what rates you would like to provide.
Got it. Perfect. I Kenton,
did you want to follow up on anything on that front or anything else uh
no that's good um i do have i'm changing subject a little bit if you if you're done talking about
this yeah um i just actually nadine i just hovered over your your avatar to kind of read the lux
let's exchange bio and it said on an off ramp do you do fiat on and off ramping
so we uh we on our website we do have on ramp and off ramp it's also it's an we work as an
aggregator here uh we aggregate mercury and transact and uh switch here uh but it's not our main business 95
percentage of our main business is swap and we would like to focus more on swap to be the best
swap provider so if you're going to think about swap you are going to think about us and you can
do all the swap on let's exchange and we also work on on ramp and off ramp but more as an aggregator
let's exchange and we also work on on ramp and off ramp but more as an aggregator what do you
what do you mean as an aggregator i don't understand oh yeah so when you do when you
open our website and see on and off ramp uh we clearly show that it's powered by mercury and
transak so we don't provide on ramp and off ramp uh by our site and we don't provide on-ramp and off-ramp by our site, and we don't provide it via API to our partners.
So it's like in a testing mode, you know.
Like you're just connecting people to other on- and off-ramps that they can use.
Yep, almost so. We have integrated Mercuria. So when you open our on-ramp and off-ramp
Yep, almost so.
widget, we'll redirect you to, for example, you have chosen Euro to USDT. And after you
have chosen the payer, we will redirect you to Mercuria, for example.
Okay. And then they handle the on and off ramping they so you'd have to the user
have to do kyc with them and give them their their bank info and all that kind of stuff
they don't give it to less exchange they give it to them yep yep okay gotcha um so
if if you know the thor chain front end or any other front end for that matter wants to integrate Let's Exchange to offer their users the ability to swap Monero, how hard is that?
Is it easy?
Does it take a long time?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think with Torchain team of developers, it's going to be super easy because I heard a lot of that you have a super technical team.
So from our side, even when the team is not super technical, it takes three to four days to integrate our API and usually one or two weeks of testing.
It depends on the team.
We have a lot of partners who finish integration in one week. And to be honest, our API documentation is super straightforward.
We have our technical team who replies 24-7. You have me and our account manager who also replies.
I'm not super technical, say your CC, but the basic questions
that our partners ask, I already can reply. But it's usually super easy. And because it's
one of the main pair, you see that we have at Let's Exchange, we don't have any problems
with that. So I think you can finish it super soon, Kenton. And can the interface toggle on and off what tokens they want to offer? So for example,
you guys offer 5,000 tokens. What if we were only interested in the Minerva route? Can we just have
that turned on and turn everything else off?
on and turn everything else off?
Yeah, of course, you can do it via our API.
So you can choose only one, like only XMR for the direction because you already have.
I also personally use Torchain via TrustWallet, sometimes via Ledger.
But so you can choose the main pairs that you don't support, for example, right now and
provide Torchain for all other pairs that you already have, like ZKcash and so on.
Okay, cool.
Well, I'm actually curious.
Now the million dollar question, does BlastExchange have the Torchain as part of their stable?
You know, are you guys, when you're aggregating for all the different DEXs and
SEXs, is ThorChain a part of that mix?
Hmm, it's a good question. Not yet. To be honest, not yet, Kenton. I think it's just a matter of time
when we are going to finish it, but as I know, not yet. We have one partner, I think you know
already about them, so probably in the
near future we are going to support TorChain
too, but
it's also one of the questions that I
need to double check with our product team
in our roadmap.
But as I know now, we don't.
We have a free API for you guys to
use to incorporate
TorChain.
I think that would make more sense for Let's Exchange to incorporate TorChain. So, yeah, I think that would make more sense
for Let's Exchange to incorporate ThorChain
before our front end incorporates Let's Exchange.
So, yeah, we definitely need to talk about that.
Yeah, would love to chat about it.
Yeah, that'd be great.
You know, permissionless, you know,
access to the real layer one asset. I mean, ThorChain was like be great um you know permissionless you know access to the
real layer one asset i mean as you know thor chain was like the og you know uh crossed it still is
obviously and um so that would be absolutely fantastic i did have another question uh kenton
unless you had something else you want to follow up on no no good good okay i was just wondering
so i know you guys have customer support right right? But let's just say something, some error happens on a swap.
Something goes wrong.
What does that process look like?
You know, who takes responsibility for that?
It's a simple question for me, of course.
Here at Let's Exchange, we take the full responsibility if something happens wrong. So no worries about that if something happens. And it happens with me
several times. I just reach out to our, I have fun about it. So I reach out to our team on our
website by using different names or Telegram handles or even without that. So our team replies
in one to
minutes and we solve the case.
We will just provide the exchange ID and that's all.
And one of the cases, for example,
was that we had last year.
It was with Fira shielded addresses and
one of our liquidity providers that
didn't manage to find out.
Like is it was this fund sent by our user or not? So at the end of the day, we have just done a swap from our own liquidity,
and we didn't do a refund.
We fully provided the swap and just sent one more time the deposit.
So we fully take the responsibility about that and i can say 100
percentage that our support team is one of the best so joel if you are on the call on our session
i think you're the best so yep okay and i hope that you are not going to need to to test it but
if you are going to test it you can believe me. Sounds good. Okay, so what we talked about so far at Let's Exchange,
what are the services you provide?
You do the swaps, right?
You have third parties that help some,
it's not your main business model,
but some on-ramp, off-ramp.
Kenton asked earlier about having kind of like an order book, right?
So are you guys going to be pushing into more other like economic primitives, like loans or like leverage trading?
Or what do you guys have on your roadmap?
Where are you planning on going with more stuff to do?
Oh, so right now, one of the first things that we are going to finish in Q1, we are updating our own infrastructure.
And as soon as we are going to update it, we would like to integrate more providers so we can have definitely best rates.
We can have even more roads. We can have a lot more assets.
roads, we can have a lot more assets.
And because one of our visions that at the end of the day, we would like to be
a one like if you think about the swap, if you think about exchange,
we would like to be the best place and you can and you're not going to think,
oh, can I swap Bitcoin to ZK Cash or can I swap ZK Cash to Sue?
We just say like, oh, I can open website,
I can open Let's Exchange and I can do a swap.
It's one of the first priority, of course.
Second one, we also launching several,
because I'm responsible for B2B team,
I can say about B2B roadmap, of course.
So one of the things that I'm super excited,
we are launching a new feature like deposit and withdrawals.
For example, for Bitcoin only wallets, super excited we are launching a new feature like deposit and withdrawals for example for bitcoin
only wallets uh you can deposit from xmr and uh on your bitcoin abc hardware wallet you are going
to receive bitcoin and the same way you can withdraw like you can withdraw to 5 000 assets
available on the market second feature that we are going to have is invoicing. It's also
for our B2B partners. And also one of the things that not only me excited, but a lot of our
partners, we are launching a feature where you can swap Bitcoin to any ABC asset available on
any DEXs. For example, we recently integrated SUI. So you can swap, for example, I think you
don't know about this token,
Lofi on Sui,
and you can swap it to Bitcoin.
Even if so,
Lofi is going to be available only on Dex on Sui, like Ketos.
So it's one of the features
that a lot of our partners are excited about.
We have several more products
that we are going to launch,
but I see our head of product is sitting here,
so I'm not going to share it.
It's on the NDI right now,
but in Q2 and Q3,
we are going to launch two more products,
fully different products,
but related to our ecosystem.
So, okay.
We really work hard on that too.
Yeah, I'd be curious to know what those are.
I know you guys don't want to spill the beans
or nothing like that,
but Kenton asked about integrating ThorChain on your guys' end, Yeah, I'd be curious to know what those are. I know you guys don't want to spill the beans or nothing like that.
But, you know, Kenton asked about, you know, integrating ThorChain on your guys' end because, you know, yes, we do swaps as well.
But we also have so many other perimitives that are coming as well.
So I'm just curious if there's maybe even a deeper form of cooperation we can have or things that, you know, that we have that you can offer or more things that you offer that, you know, you can share with us.
I'm just curious to dip. I don't want to poke and prod you.
I know you, you guys, you want to keep things close to your chest until they're ready and things like that. So I understand. Okay. How long, how much time do you have with us? Let's
exchange. I want to see if there's, would you be okay if people came up, if they wanted to,
if people came up if they wanted to?
I don't know if they are, but to ask questions or anything like that.
I don't know if they are,
but to ask questions or anything like that?
Yeah, of course.
I'm super happy that we have the space today
and we have booked it with Canton one month ago.
So you have my whole day today.
Oh, that's awesome.
And guys, so if you guys want to request
and come up and ask Nadine any questions whatsoever,
that would be great.
Or you can put them in the
telegram, a Thorchain telegram or the Regera one, just tag me so I can see them easily and I can
answer. One thing, I do have one question I didn't want to ask before because I was just worried if
I didn't, you know, if I didn't, if I cut out, didn't hear it. So when it comes, let's just go
back to a Bitcoin to Monero swap. I'm a bitcoin holder i want to go ten thousand
dollars bitcoin to monero so how it works is i send you the btc and then you guys swap it internally
right so like you know you guys take custody of the asset moment momentarily and then it gets
sent to you know one of the aggregation pathways is is that how it works
sent to you know one of the aggregation pathways is is that how it works
yeah almost so we provide the deposit uh address you deposit uh you send us this 10k uh we'll do
our mail if our mail first we will do a refund if all good we will proceed and send the funds
to our liquidity provider who will provide uh the best rate the best speed super reliable and so on uh after that uh they
will do a swap and we will provide you uh monero to your wallet address that you provided to us
okay and so i'm trying to say this so um is that an automated process like it's all is that code
like you send the vtc like you know it's it's all done
in in the background right like there's and it's all automated like you don't you see i'm trying
to say like there's the cut like i'm really fun doing this question i'm sorry yes yeah can you
answer that sorry i'm an idiot yeah sure i understand uh We have chatted with a lot of our partners about that. Of course,
we have automatic swaps because it's impossible to do this amount of volumes and swaps by hands.
And the same way why Bitcoin to Monero swaps are difficult, we have checked also several ways how
to do it. First one is atomic swaps. That's a bit difficult for a lot of companies to integrate because it's, yep, you understand what's the problem.
Second one is peer-to-peer, but it's also like you couldn't do a lot of volumes peer-to-peer for like 5,000 assets.
For 5,000 assets, we have almost more than 30 million pairs available.
almost more than 30 million pairs available.
So if you can swap Bitcoin to 5,000 assets
or Monero to 5,000 assets,
could you imagine the amount of pairs?
So we couldn't do it by hands.
We do it all automatic.
And one of the things that I like,
because I use right now our Looker,
I can say that we have the speed of the swap
on a fixed rate.
We have around two minutes right now.
Oh, no, three minutes, sorry.
It's the amount for deposit.
And for floating rate, we have from five up to seven minutes.
So even though we have a lot of steps like deposit, email, sending to provider, provider is swapping, it's a super fast amount.
Because I have done peer-to-peer i have
done atomic swaps i have done a lot of swaps even to go to centralized exchange and do it by
by myself it's it's not possible to do it so fast yeah and thank you for answering such a clumsy
question by me the thing i was getting at is like you know when you have a swap on thor chain it's
all you're trading against a pool right right? It's all an automated process,
open source code. It's very frenetic. There is no point which ThorChain can just put its fingers
in there and yoink and get your asset, right? So that's kind of where I was going with that
question. Let me see. We got someone requesting. Okay. We have someone coming up. And guys,
please, if you come up for questions,
we wanted to have the questions for let's exchange or Thor chain,
or just at least they have to be related to the subject material. I don't,
you know, let's exchange has given their time for us today.
We're very appreciative of that. So I just want to say that we have a speaker,
Leo, do you want to go ahead and what question you got for us today?
And check your mic i'm going to give you a few more seconds leo i don't like dead air on a space would like to
keep the show running can you check your mic thank you how are you all right i went ahead and just uh got rid of that guy um i got a bad vibe for him and i trust
my gut is what it is i'm gonna waste people's time so um okay let's exchange i want to kick it back
to you um is there anything else that you feel like we did not ask is there anything else you
want to say maybe me and kenton miss um at all whatsoever Oh no I think you have asked everything that it's really important
to ask especially for your community and I'm happy to reply if you are going to have any questions
and we would be happy to reply from our account I would I will also provide my telegram handle
so if you have any questions, please reach out to me.
And from my side, I would be happy to know what I'm working on right now
because it's the start of 2026 and TorChain starting is really good.
I heard a lot of good things from our B2B customers about TorChain.
We had a small chat with Canton last month, but I would love to know more what I'm working on.
What's your focus for this year, and what can we do from
our side to provide you Monero swaps,
of course.
Well, I'd like
to know what
the other people have been saying that's been good
about DoorChain. Can you tell us a bit more about that,
the conversations you've had?
Yeah,
I met several of our partners, and one of the things they shared had? Yeah, I met several of our partners
and one of the things they shared
that you can, what they like
that you can swap like super huge amount of swabs.
And it's, as you mentioned,
it's all automatic without touching.
It's like by liquidity pools.
I will send you the screenshot.
One of our partners sends me
on a constant basis screen.
So like, hey, see, Torchain has swapped this amount of assets.
And I really like that you can open Defy Llama in one more website and you can see your volumes.
I really appreciate that you are super transparent.
And I think it's what our partners like about you when they work with you.
And that's what I heard.
Well, and of course, about the rates, you have pretty good rates too.
Oh, they're going to get much better very shortly. Let me tell you. And that makes me feel all warm
and fuzzy inside. So thanks. I really needed that, Nadine. You really helped my self-esteem over
here. I do have some questions now coming in for you. Are you ready?
All the way through it. All right, let's go. So one question wants to know, how will Let's Exchange handle Mika? I'm assuming that's the legislation that's being pushed around, right? How will Let's
Exchange handle Mika for users that swap more than $1,000? It's known that sexes getting licenses
and demands from sexes are hitting the rooftop.
How will they continue offering business in Europe?
It's a good question.
It's a good question that we chat a lot
with our legal team,
as I know that it was applicable
from January 1 of this year and was also applicable
from last year too. So from our side, that's why we work as an aggregator and we try to integrate
more providers and liquidity providers who can handle this amount of swaps. Because as I mentioned
before, we would like to proceed to provide the best rates, we would like to proceed to provide the best liquidity,
and we would like to proceed to work with privacy matters
and don't ask any unnecessary information from our users.
And of course, our users would like to swap more than 1,000.
So from our side, one of the things that we do even now,
we integrate more liquidity providers and we integrate more liquidity providers who are MECAP compliant.
The same way as Kenton and you mentioned right now that we shall integrate third chain to work on that.
So I will also double check with our legal team what we do now about that.
But what I know, it's one of the things where we work and that's why we updating
our infrastructure.
Okay.
Sounds good.
I got, I have another question here and this is, I did ask this question as well.
And cause it was just a little unclear.
So let's just really nail this one down here.
If okay.
If Let's Exchange accepts funds, then runs AML before passing the funds
on the provider, do you technically do custody of the assets? There's this whole conundrum of,
do you guys actually take custody or not? So could we just state that clear for the record as clearly as we can for the people who are curious
yeah uh let me open give me one more second uh let me open our technical documentation because i'm not a test heavy person and each time i want to be super right about it because
it's a tricky question yeah and i understand and you know here's the thing is like when we're talking with code and stuff and language oh go ahead go ahead yep yep uh that's a bad thing to
be a not technical person in crypto i think i'll i'll become technical this year one of my problems
for this uh space so um we work as an aggregator. And so, how we work, our liquidity providers, as I understand,
and that's how we work, they provide unique wallet addresses or wallet addresses where the
user deposit funds. And each provider, they have differentL policy. And for example, if this deposit that provider gave us,
after we have chosen the best rate,
if AML fails, we will do refund.
So yes, for this amount of time when we will do AML,
we couldn't do it just by...
Yes, I know that several providers,
they can do AML just by checking the wallet but
for that uh we need still to receive this uh deposit or our provider needs to receive the
deposit so it's only available already on the wallet side but on our website as we are no wallet
connect company and our providers too so So for this amount of time,
when the providers give the unique wallet address
or wallet address, they have the custody for funds.
And when they do our mail, they have this fund.
And if I'm not false, they do a refund.
So for that matter, yes, it's like,
we are not fully non-custodial service
if it's right to reply.
Okay.
I think I understand.
And if anyone else has any other questions.
No, no, you're fine.
And that's the thing with there's a game of semantics, right?
You know, what does custody actually mean and things like that?
So I think you answered that pretty well that, you technically yes but asterix kind of thing right
where it's conditional um because you're an aggregator you have many different pathways
um so so i understand um kenton did you have anything else um any other questions or anything
like that no no i'm good i put it out to the audience again if anybody wants to jump up and speak ask anything make a comment um
i know let's exchange nadine you said you asked more about kind of what door chain what we're
working on um well solana is should go live here in february uh then zcash after that and then um i believe it's uh ton coin and uh
arbitrum maybe arbitrum yeah um what i thought like no with with solana what is it e e d d s i'm not gonna say it i'm sorry whichever uh i'm just gonna stop talking you guys know what i'm trying to say
well do we need to support solana um sorry i'm brain farting um i think that opens the door for
suey as well and so maybe we'll see that eventually um um so yeah so hopefully new
new chains more pools this year.
And then just like Patriot was talking about earlier,
the app layer getting underway where we have like other features like the ability to do perpetual trading, perps, borrowing and lending,
like more like kind of like more high frequency trading type strategies.
That's all coming this year
um and i think then just in general just making door chain more efficient um
cleaning up code and just yeah like tightening stuff up the actual the q4 report that just went out that had like the the roadmap on it i thought was actually pretty good
to like all the new things being worked on this year um it'd be nice to see those things go through
um so yeah for thort chain i guess it's honestly just the same old in a sense you know every year
there's it's um thort chain is pretty different thortchain ends the year pretty different from when it started
constantly being tweaked and changed and updated so um i don't think this year will be any different
um and then that's that's on the code uh you know the front end the the ThorChain, swap.thorchain.org.
Curious what you think of it, Nadine, if you've tried it yet.
If not, I hope you do.
But that's going to be our main push this year is to get that,
promote that, get that out there,
tell the whole world about it and try and get users.
That's probably what people are going to see more is like is that trying to get that going um have you been have you been there to the interface nadine have you
played with it yet yeah i think i was one of the one of the first one to be honest uh and uh sorry
about that i'm so surprised i was sure that you had the zk cache because
i thought that i have done a zk cache swap through torchchain maybe i was mistaken yeah
so i was mistaken 100 percentage yes i have used your uh new website and this interface i see i'm
so surprised that um you you decided to do it last year.
And it's a really good decision because as a user, not as a BD at last exchange, I really like it.
And I have tried to use it via several wallet connects.
I like the UX, how it looks like, how it works.
I had some troubles to use Wallet Connect,
but it's not because of your infrastructure, as I know,
and your front end, but because of Wallet Connect issues.
I tried to use several wallets.
I used Okix wallet for that case, but I didn't manage to do a swap.
After that, I switched to Metamask and I managed to do a swap.
So, yes, it was pretty good. and I managed to do a swap. So yes,
it was pretty good. And I think it's just the beginning. So congratulations, Kenton.
Congratulations to the third chain team. It's really cool.
Oh, great. Thank you. And I appreciate your conflict of interest, but still supporting us. Thank you. And you're not crazy with Zcash. so there's dex segregation on on the the front end so your
zcash probably went through maya protocol and where zcash trades there and um so we have if if
the pool doesn't exist on thor chain the swap will go through maya protocol and um
um but thor chain is still going to add its
own Z cache pool here. And but what's cool with with Maya
protocol is I don't maybe you know, Patriot, I don't know if
it's live yet, but they're going to have a shielded Z cache
pool. And so that's gonna be pretty cool. And you'll be able to you know you swap into that
through our through our interface um but yeah just go through maya and uh and there's no fees
on top of the on the on the third chain front end there's no extra fees it's just whatever the
third chain fee is or the or the maya protocol fee so um yeah so if and if and if a pool is halted on
thort chain like if trading is halted for whatever reason on on the whole blockchain or any individual
pool then uh the swap will be routed to maya as like a backup and uh yeah one of the things i
think people really have been asking for us is they want to swap monero
you know um we have tried to add xmr in the past and you know nadine how thor chain does it this is
there's a real layer one right it's no shortcuts here so when solana goes live you know around
february 4th or so um it's gonna be a real deal it's gonna be real layer one permissionless no kyc access um and it's been a very hard chain to add um i think we're going on
two years now uh sorry everybody it's been a journey but we're here now um but you know like
as kenton said it was a whole different you know the eddsa or whatever the heck the acronym is
um it required us to reconfigure Bifrost and Thornode.
It's just a huge monumental task to add, you know,
and the speed of Solana as well.
It's a very heavy chain.
So they're going to be the heaviest chain I think we've got.
I don't know if it's more than the Bifrost daemon, but it's up there.
And so it's a big, big deal.
And, but then XMR has a whole other beast.
You have to get past so many different things when it comes to the obfuscation.
I remember the memo size of Monero was a problem for us.
And so people really just want to swap into XMR.
I know they want the real layer one asset permissionlessly. And I just, I really want us to
get there, but it's just not there yet. So that's like the big reason we want you to care is like
you guys, you know, you, you said you use edge wallet whose Paul was a friend of ours. The
unstoppable guys and other partners as well. Right. And that means a lot to me because I know those, those teams and I,
and I think they're great. So I think that speaks well to, you know, your reputation.
And that's kind of like we're here is, you know, people just want Monero and it's cool to hear.
I don't know if it's going to happen. I can't make promises, but it's really cool to hear that
if we decide to go through that route, that, you know your api access really is really crisp and maybe we could get it going within a week or so on sto which is swap.thorching.org um so yeah very very cool i love
what you guys are doing and uh until we can get it natively i think this is like for me at least
my own opinion i think it's a decent half measure right because you know privacy coins and them
right because you know privacy coins and them really freaking hard to do
really freaking hard to do
yeah well thank you so much for your kind feedback and yeah I would be super excited
and from our side would love to chat more about it maybe even today or next week to discuss what
we can do together I think from our side integrating Torchain it's also one of the
best things that we can do and as you mentioned it's right that Torchain is also one of the best things that we can do.
And as you mentioned, it's right that Torchain do it by hard way. You do a direct integration.
And yeah, I understand.
For example, we have integrated two and it was a hard task for us too.
So integrating directly to the next level.
By the way, what I really enjoy enjoy last year it's meeting our partners um in real life
i was happy to be in uh edge office in san diego i also was happy to be in unstoppable wallet office
and one year before i was happy to meet cake wallet team in monarCon. So hopefully we can meet with you this year too.
I'm going to MoneroCon in, I think, in Poland this year.
That would be cool.
I'm not.
Yeah, no, I'm not.
They have,
I don't know if it's MoneroCon,
but there's a MoneroConference in Mexico.
Isn't there?
They're bugging us to try and go.
And,
but I don't think it's gonna happen
yeah i wish i just had time um i'm just hard right now uh but yeah i would love to do you
guys ever come i don't know uh do you guys go to like bitcoin um uh what the heck am i trying to
say conferences or anything like that like do you um, um, next time you're near Las Vegas,
that's really easy for me to get to because I live pretty close to Las Vegas.
Um, but just do, uh, to, to life stuff.
I have a very hard time traveling very far distances,
but, um, I definitely want to meet you and team or whoever is associated with
life exchange. Very. I mean,
I just think that human to human connection is so very important.
I can talk with you. We can have a human to human connection is so very important. I can talk with
you. We can have a space. We can have a great time. Be totally vibing. But until you actually
look someone in the eye, you shake their hand or exchange a hug or whatever, that to me is the most
impactful thing, 100%. So yeah, I really hope we can meet sometime soon in the future.
Yeah. So now I have a...
Oh, I forgot this word in English, sorry.
Not direct.
I would be happy to go this year to Las Vegas.
I had a ticket last year, but didn't manage to go.
But yeah, this year I will try to plan it.
For now, we are going to Consensus, MoneroCon, probably to ECC.
So Las Vegas sounds like a great plan and I totally agree with you
when you meet in person. It's a totally different vibe, especially for not a native speakers like
me. I think when you can show your vibe, gesticulate, I didn't love to do it. It's a
good opportunity to connect on a deeper level. Yeah, and you're doing great speaking, by the way.
but you needed to connect on a deeper level.
Yeah. And you're doing great speaking, by the way.
You know, you're doing just fine.
Don't worry about that.
We struggled with the word 30 for a little bit,
but we got past it.
That was the only hiccup I thought was the number.
We're like 80, 30.
But we managed.
We made it through.
Yeah. Okay. Awesome.
Well, this has been a really fun conversation.
I'm not seeing any more questions.
Thank you, everyone who submitted questions.
I like you.
I like what you guys do.
And yeah, I really hope that as soon as this space ends,
let's keep the conversation going.
Because for me, this is just me speaking.
I don't represent ThorChain.
When I go to STO or whatever, anything,
I want to have access to Monero.
I just, you know, and of course,
ideally in a world where, you know,
I believe in permissionless, you know,
non-KYC access to real layer one.
I just want to have access to it.
It's a good half measure in my mind.
So hopefully that happens. I really do. I really hope that happens.
But we'll see. We'll see. Lots of, lots of things to consider.
Okay. With that being said, Kenton,
do you think we have any anything else whatsoever?
I think that's good.
No, I mean, either we can, we can start wrapping it up and maybe just give
Nadine one last chance.
If there's anything you want to say before we end this.
Yeah, I'll give you the last word if you want.
Yeah, I just want to thank you guys.
It's my first space for this month.
I had a birthday yesterday and I'm super happy to have this space.
I was a bit worried.
So I'm super grateful for Kenton for inviting us
and having a really interesting chat with you.
So hopefully we can partner this year.
And thank you so much for your wonderful community.
It's really good to speak here.
And if you have any questions, please reach out to me.
I'll share my
contact information on twitter or telegram so super excited and yep it's the end of the day
for me in central asia so i'll go to sleep after our space so thank you so much you're welcome so
when you said you had your birthday yesterday is this is this your way of telling us
you're you partied last night and you're hungover today, and so you're a bit worried how the place is going to go?
You sound good. You sound right as well.
Kenton, I think you are not going to believe me,
but I rescheduled my birthday party for the next week,
so I'm going to have this space today.
Yes, so no, I just had a family lunch, and that's all. So I'm going to have a huge
celebration from Saturday to Sunday next week. She postponed her birthday celebration to spend
time with us on a space. I mean, come on, that is golden right there. Hey, Kenton, real quick,
let's call to action here. You guys, Everyone listening to this, please just click Let's Exchange profile.
Click follow.
Give them a follow.
It's a great team.
A lot of our partners use Let's Exchange.
So if they trust them, then that's a pretty dang good signal, guys.
For those who are listening to the recording of the space,
their handle is at Let's Exchange underscore IO.
One more time, at Let's Exchange underscore IO. One more time. At Let's Exchange underscore IO.
Great team.
Great team.
Sacrifice on a birthday.
By the way, would you ever be comfortable
doing like a live stream potentially in the future?
Are you comfortable getting on camera by chance?
Yeah, of course.
I think it's going to be even more funnier because you can see my face yeah
because that's one thing that we want to do going forward we're trying to figure it out right now um
kenton and i and a few others have been testing my hair out it's so frustrating i don't know guys i
don't know yeah i can't get it did maybe let you feel you guys. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm trying to get Riverside to connect to Twitter,
to live stream to Twitter.
And I can't.
And I'm, yeah, I'm, I don't know.
I'm trying to get help from their support desk,
but we got LinkedIn and YouTube working and we can't get Twitter.
I mean, it's kind of useless without Twitter, right?
This is our main audience.
So, but I'm'm persistent i'll figure it
out yeah but this keeps going man you're gonna have uh no hair like me bro because i know you've
just been just pulling your hair out trying to figure this out man so uh yeah that's why guys
we're still we want to i mean we're gonna learn as we go obviously the first live stream will
probably you know be a little quirky, but that's fine.
It's whatever.
We'll just get it done and then we'll get better as we go.
But we definitely want to do live stream.
So, yeah, Nadine, let's keep that in the back of our minds.
And, you know, we love having guests from third parties.
We're actually struggling to find teams and things that we can chat with.
We try to come with topics, you know so yeah let's do this
again sometime what do you say actually i just just i just thought of something certainly um
if you're plugged into the monero community is there anyone from from there you think we should
have a space with have a talk with uh That'd be interesting to talk to for one
and maybe they're fans of ThorChain.
Maybe they don't know about ThorChain,
but they really obviously, if they're into Monero,
they believe in the importance of privacy
and whatnot and permissionless.
Do you have any ideas of any person or any teams
we can maybe talk to and have a space with them?
Yeah, I think all of us know that Monero community is super, super difficult to reach out and they're super privacy focused one. But about the teams, I think it would be really,
for me as a user and a Twitter fan of yours,
I think it would be really nice to hear your space
with Unstoppable Wallet team.
They have an amazing team.
You work with them.
Also, I enjoy to listen to polls and Dash teams,
MA session and space.
So I think they're also a good one.
And of course, Vic from CakeWallet or Seth from CakeWallet, I think you would have an amazing MA session. Because one of the things that I really love about them, they're super technical.
They built for over 10 years.
And I think all of these guys they are going you're
going to have an amazing space and i would love to hear more about some new topics that you can
discuss with them so yeah more about technology maybe do you know i had a funny story from last
year on moneta coin it was my second moneta coin but on the first one i didn't have done any photos
you know one of the mistakes that i have done, I have done a lot of photos.
I have shared on my account that I have only 100 followers, maybe.
And Monero community reached out to me and asked to delete them.
So that's what I can say about Monero community, that I would personally like to invite more
teams that built on Monero, like Wallets, Aggregators, and more.
Oh, maybe Zana team too.
I heard that the team has built on Monero from 2015, maybe?
Something like that.
And after that, they switched to Zana.
So we met on MoneroCon also two years ago
and love their team.
I would love to hear your space with them too
maybe you're going to be great i feel like an idiot because i believe i don't are you on joelle's
spaces at all do you go on dash spaces let's exchange because i think i maybe we chatted
actually um i don't know i mean i don't know it's hard i don't know if you had a different profile
but your voice sounds so familiar to me.
Did you go on Dash Spaces at all?
I think once, maybe.
Not that.
It was by one of our partners.
But yes, we had one space with Joel, probably.
One space with Paul.
But that's all.
Yeah.
Well, that's so funny you say that with Zano.
I actually talk to them a lot, usually on Thursdays.
So, and we actually had a really good interaction.
So Kenton, what I'll do, I'll reach out to Xano.
Let's get, I'll get a space with them.
I think that would be awesome.
So that'll be a little mission for me.
Thank you for bringing that up, Kenton.
Good idea.
Cool.
Okay.
I think we should wrap it up.
Yeah, I think so.
Thank you, Nadine.
Yeah, go ahead, Patriot.
Yeah.
All right.
Yes, guys.
One last call out, please.
Follow Let's Exchange.
Follow Nadine.
Awesome guest we've had.
It was a really fun conversation today, guys.
And then we're going to have for the next weekend, Saturday, I don't think we got anybody.
But on February.
We do.
The swap DK aggregator.
Oh, that was confirmed.
That is confirmed.
Oh, excellent.
Excuse me.
I'm sorry, Genson.
I should have asked beforehand.
We have swap DK coming next week, guys.
The aggregator.
Very, very cool.
And then the following week, February 7th, we're going to have BioLabs making a return.
They're going to have a big announcement, a big launch, you guys. So really, that're going to have um by our labs making a return they're going to have a big
announcement a big launch you guys so really that's going to be super exciting don't miss
that one at all very cool team and uh okay guys with that being said i hope everyone has
a great rest of your weekend take care everyone bye now
bye bye thank you guys Bye-bye. Thank you.
