Stevie, how are we doing? Dude, I just had a Madyatchee band pop off right underneath my apartment. As I do this is perfect. I feel like I was chatting with
Danny who it sounds like also lives in Mexico City and there was the same bird chirping in the background as was last time I was like when we were doing our space What is it? Is it a two-can or like what's the bird? Well, are you talking Danny Loftus? Yeah, but I mean you too live right next to each other too. So guys it's probably the same bird
Dude, she's actually she's a great time dude. She's she's a lot of fun to have down here. I think she just went back to London, but we've gotten to hang out a couple times now. Well, I think for you know three or four listeners here
What we figured is we would do, like normally we do this liquid culture kind of segment offline and then throw up some videos and some recaps. We just thought it would be fun to try it out as a Twitter space and then have some people up if they wanted to chat. So we'll see maybe some founders come through and hop on. But yeah, just kind of wanted to
free ball it and see what happens. And I see Hutch there as well. Hutch nice to see you. Yeah, no, this is fun. I was actually giving me a hard time yesterday because we had the Twitter spaces with NFT perp. We were talking about Moffie nuts. And there's for whatever reason Twitter spaces I just
It's like a weird thing, I think it's because of my phone that I get so nervous about it. But yesterday was fun. The NFT probe guys were awesome. Stevie's a good time to have as well just because she's predominantly art, but we're getting her ticket. Use pretty idea of NFT pie, so. - Slowly.
If we could just combine the two, I'm here for it. Like, let me get some NFC file on my art. I'm here for it. - Yeah, okay, look, what was, can you just give me like one main takeaway from yesterday's conversation that I got you excited about something?
Oh my god, you have you have me doing this just one thing I mean I think that they're open to it. It just I think needs to have a little bit more people interested in it for them to sort of like start thinking about options
for art and it's exciting to think that they're just always looking for opportunities and like ways to take advantage of the space right now and that's a cool like group of people in minds to be around. So I'm here for that. Yeah no I'm excited.
So those that don't know Mafia nuts was a It's a new 1500 piece collection that's gonna be dropped by NFT perps. It's like a pfp collection But it was cool like they're just giving us the rundown There's gonna be some utility tied to that, but it is also gonna be cross-chain. There's gonna be different ways to take advantage
using those PFPs on the platform and stuff, which is pretty interesting to learn about. Yeah, I feel like both, I guess initially it's mad lads that kind of pioneered this a little bit with backpack wallet on Solana, but you have mafia nuts within FTPurp and in both cases you're getting like this art
collection essentially, which just gives their community a way to form better around the specific product. So it is kind of like your intersection points, Stevie, where you have like entities like, I mean, I guess it's a debate as to whether these things are art or not, but you at least have it like sort of shifting away from just a finance product.
to, oh, cool. Like there's a culture piece here and like, I don't know, you just do a different form of community building. And I don't know. I'm I'm doing a lot of teams are going to end up doing that just have their own kind of in house. P.F.E. because like there's just different ways to signal status or like that you're a fan of this thing and being able to
collect like a GPFE is kind of the fun way to do it. Yeah, no I'm here for it. I think it's cool. Cool, getting into some of the stuff that's been happening lately. I would like to get your take on this Ben. I read the protector at light paper that just came out a couple days ago.
give people some insight here. It's basically like a liquidity router, so you'd put your eth in and then the protector protocol is seeking out different yield generating opportunities that exist within the NFT fight ecosystem. So whether that be through lending, some of these aggregators that exist like Spice Finance,
JPEG, Insert Finance. There's multiple ways that you can generate yield on your ETH. I think Protectorate is the first one that's going to be like a cross-britical aggregator, liquidity router. I think this could be a pretty big unlock for the NFT
I think we had Chris on zero x on one of our past kind of shows and just kind of digging into it and maybe we can you can actually we can pin tweets so if there is a tweet that you want to hunt for their protector announcement let's pin it but basically
Basically, you're creating a generalist way of getting exposure to NFT finance and the yield that that offers. So if you don't want to bother having to babysit loans and all these other different things, in theory, when Protector at Roles Out is protocol arm, you can sit
a bunch of eith in it and then they will like sort of a wiring strategy for people who might be familiar with the DeFi side of things, hunt specific yield opportunities and you kind of just get an index on that exposure. So it's like one of these things where you get the level one of NFT finance is building some of the primitives, right? Some lending, some swaps, some perps and things.
But level two is, okay, how do you generalize this so that most people who aren't gonna bother spending their time? Someone likes Devi, is gonna put in two e if the get exposure to this whole subcategory. This is the kind of mechanism that allows that to happen. So you just increase the user base, hopefully, meaningfully.
Yeah, no, I think I think that like you're saying the infrastructure is the part that is it's kind of difficult to
These primitive structures that are needed in order for the ecosystem to flourish are being built right now. And I think that to see some cross vertical
liquidity routing going on. It'll be interesting to see what kind of yields come out of this. Obviously with wire and some of the early DeFi protocols that were put out, like do seem some massive, massive APRs was relatively normal, right?
If somebody can deposit either NFTs or ETH or USDC or something like that and then make some pretty wild yields, I think that we're going to see the first real shade of like, okay, this
This whole ecosystem really does have a chance to flourish. So that's kind of that's that's what I'm looking to see. Yeah, totally. Oh, I see.
That's something else I wanted to touch on. A star you launched their public beta. This is one of the areas that I think is interesting in this space right now is like, how are we going to
deal with the massive like I feel like a lot of this liquid lending liquidity is getting pretty fractionalized right we have so many different lending protocols how is the story any different and in attracting users right like we're seeing blend completely dominate the space if we're talking about
Like lending right now. I don't really think lend is necessarily lending, but it is what it is. Like how do you think a started is going to attract anybody to use the platform? Yeah, I think, I mean, it's tricky, right? There's definitely a lot of lending projects. There's a whole bunch of
of peer-to-peer, you know, marketplaces, there's a bunch of peer-to-peer-to-pool marketplaces. What Astaria does that's different, like technically, is they have multiple pools going on at the same time that can be managed by different strategists. And it kind of, it works out a little bit more like a balancer.
If people are familiar with that DeFi project where people can come through and they can set up their own pools and then a normal consumer retail person can come and do a swap and it just gets routed across the best pools that have liquidity there. And so in the same way, for Astaria and Deary, if I want to get a loan on whatever
a squiggle, I should be able to go and assuming there's some liquidity on the platform it'll just route me the best possible loan that exists. It's all like technically they're doing something different, like they're in really their own lane. There's no one that does that like this multi peer to multi pool model I guess is like how I think about it.
But yeah, I think I mean everyone's out here fighting for users, right? And especially now in kind of bare market times, I think it's pretty tricky. A lot of people are doing kind of BD and trying to get people to yeah, just like market make on their platforms and bring liquidity because there isn't a lot of
or activity around the NFT finance side of it. Blur is kind of sucked up most of the excitement. So I don't even know what the number like I'd be making up a number, but it's definitely not a high user count for most of these things. Even like the super OG NFT finance protocols, like what does NFT
have as a, as like an all-time user base, like a couple of thousand. It's not a huge number. So I know I think that the like optimistic take is that good tech hopefully leads to like good outcomes and those guys are super sharp and the two founders there. So we'll see, but for sure it's like it's just a
It's a bit of a bloodbath out there to get people to care about anything other than shit-coining or some of the basic, basic stuff like just swapping tokens. It's wrong with shit-coining, bro. It's fun to create.
But to that point though, like I think if you're paying attention to the amount of users that have come to NFT lending over the past, what, like I would say six months, it's been like a big uptick. I'm trying to find the exact number.
But if you're looking at like blends user base right now, I looked at it today. It was like 1100 1100 lenders and 1800 borrowers and I think on NFT 5 we have
over 10,000 for sure. NFT5 all-time users is 30,000. 30,000 almost on the dot. Interesting. Okay. That's much higher than I would have been. Yeah. And then Paraspace has 12,000 and Bendout has almost 14,000. So that's it. It is quite a bit of people
that are taking part in some of these fairly. It's also, it's kind of tricky sometimes because it's like I've probably run nine accounts through NFT5 or NIFTI, just not even to farm it, just like generally over the years. So it's one of these like ever consistent problems with
How do you count users when, you know, I probably like 15 accounts that went through the Uniswap Air Drop or something, right? Like it's like, it's very hard to know how many actual humans there are behind these things. But yeah, I feel like that's like, it's largely those bigger results, I guess, is the point.
So for a new upstart, whether it's Staria or any of these other newer money markets, it's just tricky. Yeah, I'm trying to find there was one of the things that I was kind of interested when I did that episode with Wolf Capital, Waggney from Wolf Capital. I was actually really
surprise to see the stark difference between all-time active users on ETH for Solana and then daily active users on ETH for Solana was like a very different story. But it's interesting, right? Like I think Sharge Fai over on Solana has done a really good job of attracting people just because
the UX is so freaking easy to use and it's like okay seven day loans here you go here's 220% APR bang that's it it's like super easy order book style you know exactly where you're at there you go and I don't think that it is that easy on East in terms
of getting exposure to that, but then at the same time the ecosystem is way more mature for talking about aggregators such as spice finance, meta streets B2 that is wrapping up right now like they did a little three week sprint. So like having getting exposure to youth lending I think is a little bit easier for talking about aggregators, but
on the sole side it is super easy as well. Totally man. Do you want to shift gears and tell us about all of this ordinal stuff that you've been up to? We were talking about it. We were talking about it today during market talk. So this is the basic understanding that I have of what's going on.
over there. The BRC-20 ecosystem is basically the plan where it's ERC-20. It's fungible tokens that are just text JSON files. They figured out a way to mess with all of that, right? So the BRC-20 ecosystem is sitting at about almost $500 million
market cap. And now they're starting to do BRC 720 ones and BRC 720 one E which BRC 720 ones is basically just an NFT collection. Before in early inscription days you could not basically make a collection. It was just
unique individual inscriptions and you couldn't put them in together as a collection. Marketplaces kind of overrode that but it nothing is really a collection. Now you're seeing BRC721 NFT collections being launched on ordinals. The interesting part I think is talking about these BRC
These are ETH NFTs that are getting bridged over to Bitcoin and being burned forever on ETH. So I'm like maybe Stevie might have a take on this but. Yeah, dude. Well, you missed it on Margotop. We were talking about it. It was like so BRC721s are just NFTs.
T-collections basically 721 ease are Ethereum NFTs that have been bridged over to Bitcoin but have been burned forever on the east side. Have people done like punks or apes or anything? Yeah, I think this is like this is we're cutting edge right here. This is like the last 24 to 48 hours I think now.
Wow, let me see if I could find something I think I saw it's actually but knowing like It's it's probably so frustrating to you because I actually I used to feel like I really wanted to like stay on top of like what was going on but like things have just gotten so like
So complicated that I've just been like actively fading everything that you're excited about and like this This one like oh like I can't like it's so actually it's been so frustrating because I've been wanting to like Up on spaces and like learn about what's going on in the space and if I see
just like a sea of orange backgrounds. I'm just like, all right, I'm not going to know what they're talking about nor do I want to like get down there. And now we are making it even easier by telling people to burn on Bitcoin. I feel like I'm going to have to learn but I don't want to. You can join me as
the resident boomer. I feel like I also have the same thing where Dalton would be like, "Yo, you should mint these like doge ordinals." Dude, you, oh my gosh. He started getting like Kevin into it because you know like Kevin used to be like a doge whale or whatever. He started like,
You know getting into it getting him in like this super excited phase and that you would be like you could even do doggin old and definitely yeah, and I was like oh my god We cannot we can't let him like around Kevin and he's like excited eight or else we're gonna have doggin old I feel like
It's like one of the best dunks I've heard in recent memory, which is like I'm just actively fading everything you're excited about Yes, I'm sorry work. I actually kind of like it, you know like I'm kind of enjoying just like fading generational wealth just just because Dude, it's annoying. I get so frickin frustrated
I get so frustrated. You don't understand how complex and how I mean I love hearing you talk about this stuff because you sound so big brain but I you cannot like you might as well be speaking a completely different language to me but let's talk here I'm gonna post
these are my favorite, like I guess they'd be inscriptions on on Doge. I think they're so bad-ass but there's only like 20 of them so they're they're mentored out but give me a second let me cook let me put my bags in the pin tweet I don't have any of these I own zero
While you do that I will interlude and so I think one thing that we should touch on is major like marketplace stuff right like Binance is doing stuff in NFT land Amazon's gonna roll out of marketplace We got a we got a finish out our news thing before
before we go into full doge and all. Yeah. Yeah. Tell me tell me what the Binance finance stuff is and I'll cover Amazon. Yeah. So here's been raining on my parade with my dough genels. Okay. So finance NFT. This is basically finance.
trying to get exposure to the NFT ecosystem, they launched Binance NFT loan, which is basically a peer to pull instant liquidity access for holders of Blue Chip NFTs, instant borrowing zero gas fees. There's liquidation protection, which I don't know very much about.
And the interest rates in the APRs, like the interest rates are pretty good to be fair. It's like right now they have discounted borrowing at 3.36%. That is eventually gonna go to 11.2%. But they only have four collections available right now. That's Port Apes, Mutant Apes, Azuki, and Doodles.
which I thought it was pretty interesting that they went with doodles. But interesting. Now I feel like it's one of these things where you want to see big numbers like that try and build them in a two-market place. But every single time we've seen a different exchange try and do it, they've kind of failed. Coinbase NFT kind of nuked itself, crack in,
and you know, or Gemini, like they have NFT exchanges, which is great, but they don't really do anything like no volume routes through there really. I just wonder if finance is like an exception in the sense that they do have like a whole bunch of unique eyeballs on them and they may bring new new entrants in the kind of NFTs, but it's just it's hard to I'm kind of like wait and see mode
I feel similarly about Amazon launching whenever they launch over the next month or two where you're like maybe you bring that new people in but for the most part the crypto people who are like quote unquote in crypto they aren't really going to be drawn to do you know activities there they're already kind of well served by what exists so it's like love to
to see it, but I wonder, I'm a little bit skeptical as to if new users come through that for an hour. Yeah, like I know that Sam and I have talked about this in Greg at collab currency. I absolutely love that guy, but we've talked about like centralized NFT blending centralized
and FT custody, all of that kind of stuff. No, I'm not saying that Binance is about to go and get hacked or something like that. But I think it's just, it becomes a slippery slope in my opinion. I don't want to be like, "Mr. like Super Web 3, Self-Custody all the time. Don't trust anybody." But I also got rugged on a centralized exchange when I first, well, multiple,#
I lost 98% of my bag on the whole Cryptopia hack, which was back in like early 2018. And I remember just being like, dude, this was so stupid. And people used to say it all the time, like, not your keys, not your coins, all that kind of stuff. And I was like, oh, whatever, like too big to fail kind of idea.
And now we see centralized exchanges go down all the time, FTX obviously. Luna was different, but like it's the same kind of feeling, right? And it's like, are we really going to trust some of these big entities to hold our bags? I don't really know. Like I don't think that that's a great idea.
make sense, dude. I don't know. I'm kind of like a decentralized maxi for the most part, but I realized that that takes a lot of time to get to, right? Like a lot of people mostly need you need to get used to using wallets and thinking about digital ownership and, you know, being able to think about hardware and I don't know, there's a lot of things there.
challenge to do some volume in the long tail of the market they have this marketplace they also have this V&B chain NFTs so I think they might be I think just looking forward in the future that
they can potentially grab this second market, given they have also the retail users that may not make sense to point to if in the main unit directly. That's my tag on binoc.
Yeah, I agree that Binance definitely has like a massive user base, right? Like they they definitely do have a Different kind of hold on the market now that being said like it still freaks me out to think that like all of our assets are going to be tied up into Essentialized platform. I don't know like
I know Sam and I have talked about this a lot and I think his opinions have changed this time has gone on. But like seeing some of these big hacks that have happened. At first, there was like, oh, somebody clicked on the fishing link. Oh, we feel so bad for them. But then people were like, oh, well, we need to come up with a solution to this. And then the solution is like, okay, yeah, we're going#
NFTs and like an escrow wallet on a centralized platform. I think that's going backwards. But we'll see. It's probably to an extent an education thing, right? Like, I don't know, as much as it might seem like a stretch today to expect people to like have a noisysafe where there are multiple wallets that sign something.
I don't know, like I just feel optimistic. Maybe this is like a contrarian view that we get to the point where people are able to use like meaningful crypto technology to look after their own stuff. Like we teach people to drive big metal trucks, right? Like we teach people to use phones. These things take time. Like it's complicated.
But I feel like there is outcomes where you can see a world where people are just somewhat competent. It's just for now it can be tricky. It's such a shame because there are so many people of fairly high IQ who have been absolutely destroyed by their own essentially either greed or fatigue in graffiti.
and it's just sort of basic to me to be like, "Well, you shouldn't be using your vault." Maybe you have to lose it all once to understand that. But I would rather we have key options to be able to store your own stuff than try and expect finance to babysit our things. But again, you need an entry point, right?
like what's the first thing that most people buy? It's like Ethan Bitcoin on a centralized platform. And so there's nothing wrong with that. This is an onboarding point. And so that's my question more, I guess, to bring this back to the NFT side specifically is like, I hope that Binance and Amazon Act is entry points for people, but I hope they don't stop there. Like I have to go and push forward.
I think people made it by dough genels. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
You'll have to make your first entity collection a doge and then I will consider making my way over there with Stevie. We talked about it. I think the reason why I got Kevin so hyped about it is because I was like, "Ah, do you like, I know that you are super all about doge back in the day."
do meme coins on a meme chain I think is funny. Whatever. Are you guys are feeding it? They don't know. They don't know that like generational wealth will be created and 12 months from now we can look back to the recording of this Twitter space to see how bad it about ourselves for not chasing it.
Dude I repose some of my calls and nobody pays attention anyway. So it's like I Remember when Luke and that's came in to Pudgy, Penguins and like the Pudgy floor was like 0.8 or something like that It might have been even lower and I was like I listened to his first Twitter spaces that was like a public Twitter space
and I was like, damn, this guy sharp. And he brought everybody on the team up and he was like, everybody's talking, I was like, damn, this is, this is the bottom. Here it is, like, look at that's coming in bang. And then you repost it and the only people that repost it are Pudgy people because anybody that's on Pudgy, this is like, yeah, super stoked about it. Anybody#
that they faded it and that's that. Part of many such cases, dude. I feel like the only way you can make money is make a bet that is contrary and that becomes normative and accepted and I feel like that's like the classic game every single time. Oh, like nine gig, whatever. Like it's like, well, Web 2 company, not going to work out.
and then turn off it rips jack butcher like what the hell is this it's an open edition 16,000 there's only 2,000 owners the number is going down of owners like fate it goes up 100x right like it's kind of like you have to sort of bat against your your own instincts at some level but anyway side quest well mister mister hudged down
And there actually, Hutch and I, we met in a shitcoin community what, like two years ago now. That's a great intro. Yeah, but he actually, he was just down here in Mexico City and then he texted me, I believe it was last night and he gave me a contrarian, a contrarian trade and I,
I'm not going to say it publicly unless Hatch gives me the okay, but I was like damn alright like that would be a contrarian trade So if Hatch wants to come on here it gives me the okay we can talk about it, but I think it what going to your point like These contrarian trades that the Jack butcher thing I've faded so hard and I'm a huge Jack
things, even though it's obvious in hindsight, you're like, "Oh, I saw Nakamego's at 0.02 and that they were ugly little pixel creatures and then, you know, like sure enough it pumps." But one thing that I've noticed this year that I think probably anyone who's listening to the space who follows NFTs closely would probably agree with is there's definitely like a
signaling moment in advance of a pond where a lot of social energy kind of collects around a collection something like Nakamego's is again the example checks like checks was on the timeline every single day for like three weeks before it pumped and though and so in hindsight it's like well obviously like there's an enormous amount of like energy and
collective consciousness around this thing. So of course it's going to go right. This is so much of time for me. It's kind of like okay I need a stack of money that if I just like patterned batch there's enough energy around this and it doesn't look like a total scam I will punt small amounts of money and accept it as a zero but then occasionally you know something rips
Well, do like Pepe Pepe Turbo. That was like super obvious because there's all over the place. Nakame goes like you said checks. Yes, like it is interesting and like it's funny how I talk to people outside of the space that are like, ah man, you're an NFTs and crypto. Damn, you must
down bad. And I'm like the last time that happened was right after the Jack butcher thing and I was just like bro like if you were thrown a hundred bucks at that you would be set and then here we are fading it you know it's just like it is what it is part of the game totally. I want to hit one
more kind of NFT-Fi announcement before we can just have anybody up if someone wants to come and jam with us. And I pinned it, which is just caviar, released its V2. And we missed chatting about this in our hot takes sort of satch last week. But yeah, just like super impressed with this team. I mean, there's a whole lot of things that are pretty geeky.
in terms of you know you can create custom pools and you know you can enforce royalties in a collection you can get rid of stolen NFTs from a pool there's also it's a different like granular options that they have created in their V2 but it's just it's like they managed to you know come online as a project and ship an entire
V2 and are now kind of more working on their front end and making the design side more interesting. All while the pseudo team has effectively been in standstill, sounds like pseudo is also going to release a V2 at some point, but just kudos where it's due for teams that hustle. And so respect to that team. Shout out.
Dude, do you know much about or you or Renato and Stevie sorry to X you out of that one, but do you guys know much about Suda swap and Like more so like what they're focused on on the V2 because I feel like they had such a big first mover advantage
Like they were like they came in and people like oh, you know, this is the uniswafer NFTs and it just failed like it fizzled out so fast and I'm wondering like what is Caviar doing differently? That has more support behind them. Is it the fact that they're just like I?
continuing to iterate that they have a close relationship with their community. What is it that is different? Because they offer similar products. Obviously, there's the desirability, classifier and stuff.
I just feel like Caviar has to be the number one NFTA M on E at the moment. Yeah, I can share some thoughts, but Renato, if you want to jump in, please feel free.
Do you remember like a sweet or soft? I don't know April March I hear the thing like the devolume was like moring in the Super low collections in terms of like
pricing and volume and I think maybe despite having this first-mortar advantage like doesn't fit too much with the with the current meta with the current like higher traction higher volume collections
I think what Naviyah and Mollslo, the collection XYZ are doing like different is like this specific trade stuff in the, in the soup pools they have my take.
Great, I think I would agree with that. Ultimately the way I look at it is, Sido is kind of the zero to one moment. Right, like you're the first team that rolled out an NTA-MM, but Caviar seems to be just a faster mover. And so in some ways it's kind of like a mini blur and open-seat comparison where Caviar has just been really strong.
community building connected with a lot of different teams. They ship really quickly. Like all the feature sets of their V2, like cover some serious ground. Like it's essentially pretty close to a Uniswap V3 today in terms of what you can do with NFTs. And so I don't know, I think a lot of it just is like
Culture and team. I don't know the pseudo team like and who knows you gotta give them credit to to you know be the people who invented this but it just feels like Gaviar has positioned itself well and they continue to grow based on that kind of community sentiment because nftamms are complicated right there's not a lot of retail people that are gonna sit and understand
and go through the mechanics of how these things work. So a lot of it ends up being like BD work with different NFT teams where there's actual volume traded across these collections, getting them to BLPs or whales of those collections to BLPs. And then those communities essentially being your marketing arm to encourage volume and trading to have
have been over caviar. I think caviar is also integrating into reservoir as well. So you have a bit more of that sense of like caviar being a protocol layer that sits a bit lower. So retail people can just buy on a marketplace and they don't need to know that the back end is an MFTAMM versus a marketplace like that's just an order book. Click open C.
But yeah, I think my headline is like they've just built faster. They've made a really strong effort around relationships and community building. And they continue to sort of win on both of those counts. And so like if the pace continues over the next sort of six months, I feel like they become like the de facto winner. Sudo also has the baby, said it token, right?
And that makes it tricky where like token incentive and are super aligned. Caviar doesn't have a token yet. So a, like you got an extra tool in your toolkit. You can kind of encourage a whole lot of people to potentially use Caviar once they feel comfortable with their product by tokenizing some incentives.
to worry about people fighting you, right? Where it's like Jesus, like you're so far below your rays, like what's happening, you know, your tokens down so bad on and on. And I know that can be pretty draining. So TBD, but pseudo is about to launch its V2. So you never know, maybe they're able to do something materially interesting, but if it's just something similar to what Tab your V2 already
offers now today, kind of more bearish on 19, because I think Caviar kind of wins at the relationship and social level, and to me especially in bear markets, what really matters is the relationship building, not as much the technology. So that's a couple of thoughts from me.
If I lose you guys it's because I'm walking to a soccer game right now, but No, I think something that you touched on right there that was it's kind of interesting is This kind of transition to NFT aMMs, right? Like this is something that I'm really paying attention to Something that we're seeing already on Salona
I think if we do have a breakout moment, if we do have like this transition to NFC AMMs, how is that going to work? And I think it's the interoperability in between so many different platforms, right? We had NFT purple on yesterday. And they're talking about different ways that they could collaborate with different projects.
And it's just like, I think we're just at the beginning of seeing some of these collaborations really work. But it's going to set up for a really interesting ecosystem, especially for NFT collections to take advantage of it.
totally makes sense man. Well with that I think we've covered at least some of the high level below points. What we've been trying to do with liquid culture for everyone who's listening is just do a bit of a recap on this niche side of NFTs and kind of the finance piece. What people are building new opportunities.
updates and protocols, sometimes where founders on to Jamf Fs. But we thought we'd run it as a Twitter space. And typically this is like the length that we go. And we've probably actually gone longer today with our sort of side quests around originals and things. But yeah, if you have any feedback, like hit us up if you, you know,
or building something in NFT finance. Also hit us up, we can throw that in. Otherwise for now, maybe we got five more minutes if someone wants to come up and say, "Hey, and drop a comment," just a request. And we'll bring you up. Otherwise, Dalton's got to go beat some soccer players very soon.
I just want to say like I'm here for it, you know, I think I think there's a really cool element obviously to the video but you know Dalton you got you your
dope on spaces and so are you Ben? Like I think it's a really cool way to, I don't know, just build an audience and maybe you can do like some sort of hybrid of it but I'm a fan.
Thanks, TV. What a cold. It's fun. It is completely different. I think it's like a different.
I think you're you're you're faded out into the Mexico City Wi-Fi.
If he doesn't come back in the next little bit, we'll close it up. But yeah, definitely like why don't you say shout out. I know we have just a few people listening in. We wanted to test this out just as a Twitter space. And we also just like you'll love this kind of last minute. I think with a little bit of prep them.
some founders on we might be able to do something more fun in a future Twitter space so shout out to everybody for coming through and yeah I mean maybe we can just call it there we'll have Dalton go play some soccer thanks guys hope everyone has a good night