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LIVE: AI in Web3 with ZetaChain and Pitch Lucy
Recorded: May 29, 2025 Duration: 0:19:57Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, Pitch Lucy unveiled its adversarial ecosystem game hub, offering over $2,000 in prizes, while Zeta Chain announced exciting new features including wallet support and yield opportunities, highlighting significant advancements in the crypto landscape.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hi, good morning, good day. How are you guys?
I'm doing well. How are you doing?
Very good.
Hi, let me just introduce myself. My name is Anna and I will be taking over this space.
I will be the host for this conversation today. And for speakers
with us, we have Mariano, founder of Pitch Lucy, and Alex, ecosystem lead at Zeta Chain.
Welcome, guys. How are you doing?
Doing well. Thank you so much for asking. It's just a rainy day here in New York City.
I'm doing very well as well. Yeah, thank you.
Where are you guys tuning in from?
Tuning in from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Oh, very cool.
New York City.
Very nice.
Okay, and I'm tuning in from Dubai, so we're just all over the globe.
All right.
So what do you guys say we get started right away?
Sure. Let's do it.
Let's do it. Okay. My first question goes to Alex.
What is Zeta Chain? How does it approach interoperability and sets itself apart from the solutions, from other solutions?
itself apart from the solutions from other solutions or so think of some other messaging
protocols that are currently out there other interoperability standards in my personal opinion
it creates a lot of long short-term problems um long-term problems for short-term solutions
um so right now i don't know if anyone here is developer but just from a user perspective the
only thing you can do right now with quote-unquote
interoperability protocols is you can only really trade tokens right it's just tokens live on other
chains um and the only thing that the only use case you really have with it is just trading those
tokens um it creates separate liquidity pools separate assets of the same token so it's not
truly interoperable what zeta chain does is we have our own layer one blockchain.
And simply put, some of our apps, which are already live, you can connect any wallet from
any chain.
So you can connect your Bitcoin wallet, you can connect your Solana wallet, and you can
even connect your EVM wallets.
And you can use your assets as is, as if you are one chain.
So there's no separate liquidity pools for Solana.
There's no separate liquidity pools for EVM.
It's just all together.
And any user from any chain can disconnect your wallet and use the app as if they're on one chain.
So for us, that's the definition of interoperability.
It's not having to care about which chain you're from, not having to think about what asset you're using.
It's just whatever you want to use.
You can on one app okay perfect very cool thanks for sharing that and as far as i know
zeta chain is one of the only blockchains that supports native bitcoin how is that even possible
and why does it matter? So the way that we achieve this is something called MPCTSS.
So I don't want to bore everyone in this space right now, but the way that it works is there
is a cluster of the address on Bitcoin and we have two sets of validators. One is called observer
signers and one is just our normal validator set. Observer signers are pretty much responsible for recording every
single deposit into that Bitcoin address. So let's say I deposit one Bitcoin in that Bitcoin
custody address. It'll let the subset or the second set of validators know that, hey, you know,
I deposited, I don't know, two Bitcoin into that custody address. Let's use that on Zeta Chain.
And in the back end, what happens is there's minting of some new BTC
and the user can use that BTC on Zeta Chain for whatever action on whatever app that they want.
However, what's most important to highlight is the UI UX or the entire crypto product UI,
the user experience is just going to be connecting your Bitcoin wallet and using your asset as is.
You don't have to care about the wrapping.
You don't have to care about the mints and you don't have to care about any of that.
It's just using your data Bitcoin.
Okay, perfect.
Thanks, Alex, for sharing all of that.
Alex, for sharing all of that.
And moving on to Mariano and Pitch Lucy specifically,
could you please tell us what Pitch Lucy is and how it works?
Absolutely.
So Pitch Lucy is an adversarial ecosystem game hub
where basically we're going to have multiple adversarial agents,
games where users can go and challenge them.
What is an adversarial agents games where users can go and challenge them. What is an adversarial agent?
Well, it's an AI agent that has an objective, basically.
And the idea for the user is to try to break that objective.
And we have released our first adversarial agent game,
coincidentally called Pitch Lucy at the same time, where users need to convince an AI agent, Lucy,
to buy your token, basically.
You're pitching her different tokens,
and if you convince her to buy your token,
you will win, like, a bounty award.
And this is something live that all of you guys can try now.
In fact, like, we have a prize pool of over $2,000
that you can win right now if you like we have a price pool of over two thousand dollars that you can win
right now if you play the game and convince lucy and the way you convince her is very simple
just give her the very best arguments about why she should purchase any token that there's it's
out there and maybe she'll purchase it uh and this is one of the many games that we will do
in our platform um That's our objective.
All going to be powered by the Lucy AI token.
And can you tell us a bit more about what makes adversarial agent games
an interesting frontier specifically for AI and Web3?
100%.
So adversarial agent games help us test prompts and help us basically
find more secure ways for prompting and for defining agents and this is something very useful
not only in web3 but like in any ai application in the past and in the future imagine you are
creating like general purpose ai where you want to have security mechanisms
and safety mechanisms to prevent the agent
from doing or not doing something.
Therefore, it's important for you to test this prompt,
these assumptions that you have
about how the agent is going to behave.
And one great way to do it is with Web3,
where you can deploy incentives for a big, massive community
to go and test those prompts and those ideas
in order for having a big challenge
where the community tries to crack that
and find if there's a way to break the prompt.
So Web3 presents itself as a massive community incentivizer, I would say,
that helps test these assumptions, these prompts, and win tokens
if correctly discovered that there was something wrong with it.
correctly discovered that there was something wrong with it.
All right.
And I think you touched on this question a bit already,
but could you talk a bit more about how adversarial agent games
like Pitch Lucy can contribute to real-world AI safety and alignment?
Yeah, absolutely.
So it's a little bit what I was saying in the sense that all AI agents that we're building,
they need to have a prompt.
And this prompt needs to be defined with like, what are the rules that are allowed by the
by the agent, what it's supposed to talk about, what it's supposed not to talk about.
agent, what it's supposed to talk about, what it's supposed not to talk about.
And there are ways that people try to override that prompt. And I'm sure that you have seen this.
I don't know if you see, like, for example, you ask ChatGPT, I don't know, saying something that
is not allowed. And ChatGPT tells you, OK, I'm not allowed to tell you that. But then you say
something like, oh, it's just for a story I'm writing or it's hypothetical and then chatgbt tells you this is an example of hey you're breaking
the security mechanisms of ai with a prompt basically and therefore when whenever you build
ai agents uh you need to test uh for these edge cases where the prompting might discover some vulnerability for your agent.
Therefore, platforms like what we're doing, these adversarial agents games,
simply gamify this approach of security and allow a community of interested people to see if they can break it for a price.
So incentives are aligned and a lot and thousands and thousands of people
continuously try to break the prompt and see if they're capable of winning something.
Okay, makes sense.
It's very cool.
And I feel like it's also quite relatable for all of us another question
that came to mind is collective intelligence do you use it with pitch Lucy and if yes how do you
use it exactly so the term of collective intelligence stands behind the idea that whatever a big community of people decide it's the best investment or it's the best something,
it usually is the best one by approach.
So, you know, you ask 100 persons how many bowls are in a jar, for example,
balls are in a jar for example the average number of those 100 persons is likely going to be closer
to just individual separated answers that you you pick up from from individual participants
therefore we believe that uh the adversarial agent games that we're really
excuse me uh that we're building um as, help contribute to this collective intelligence where that can also be productized
and may turn into like different game ideas
and other products,
specifically for trading
and for other financial approaches.
We have thousands and thousands of users
that pitch Lucy.
And what we can do with those users
is basically, you know know like we have information
about okay what's the average token pitched this is the average token that people talk about then
or what's the least top pitch token or what's the most pitch token etc etc so all these insights are
extremely useful uh for for then taking market decisions about if it's worth to trade a certain token or not.
Perfect.
And what's the long-term vision after Pitch Lucy
or beyond Pitch Lucy, let's say?
The long-term vision is continue to make
great adversarial agent games
that present real and unique challenges to our users,
all powered by the token, the Lucy AI token, as a mechanism for paying the fees of the games and
playing the games, and then evolving into utilizing somehow all these metrics and all
this information that we have collected from the pitches of users
and productizing that into something different.
Perfect. Thank you. Thank you for sharing that.
And now I'd like to turn to both of you.
So just feel free to jump in both of you.
What's next for Zeta Chain and Pitch Lucy in 2025?
Are there any big protocol upgrades,
ecosystem launches,
or other exciting news on the horizon?
I'll let Mariano go first.
A lot of very exciting things for us.
Some of the upcoming features that we're doing is
implementing the token in our token economy enabling people to pay the prompt with our token
we're also deploying new games we're deploying a staking feature we are deploying a feature to
reward our community that we're very excited for and this is just the very beginning for us
there's so many things that we're
we have planned in for this upcoming year
nice um for us we have sui and tawn support coming soon so next month and what this will enable
users to do is now you can connect your sweet wallet you can connect your ton wallet and use
users to do is now you can connect your sui wallet you can connect your tawn wallet and use
these apps on data chain just as is no more multi-chain liquidity for each of these chains
no more bridging etc you just use your assets as is on an app on data chain um speaking of the apps
we have some of them are currently live already if people want to test this out we have beamdex
b-e-a-m decks and you can connect your
bitcoin wallet and your solana wallet and evm wallet right now and you can swap between these
assets like native bitcoin to solana without any wrapping or bridging um we also have amana
defy as well a-m-a-a-m-a-n-a and it's a it's a yield aggregator platform and you can connect your wallets and you can use any asset, like let's say AVAX from Avalanche, and you can deposit into a yield strategy on ETH or even BASE as well in one click without wrapping or any bridging whatsoever.
Perfect. Cool. Thank you so much for sharing all of that, both you Alex and Mariano.
And those are all the questions I had for you guys today, but is there anything that you hope to speak about that we didn't get to?
Anything at all that you guys still want to discuss in this space today?
today?
Nothing has come to mind.
I just want to thank you and incentivize everyone.
Guys, right now
you can win over $2,000
for absolutely free.
Go to Pitch Lucy and play.
You might be able to convince
Lucy, our AI agent,
and you might be able to win.
It's free to play.
You don't need to basically pay anything.
The gas is sponsored.
So take the chance, shoot the shot,
and you might be surprised what happened.
Yeah, absolutely. Alex?
Yeah, on my side, just want everyone to use the Absinthe Zeta Chain.
It is not a copy-paste version of any other L1.
Just use the apps on Zeta Chain if you ever have time.
I'm on a DeFi, Beamdex, and really just try to understand
and just try to play out what Zeta Chain really enables.
It doesn't matter if you're a user on Solana.
It doesn't matter if you're a user on base or any other ecosystem.
You can use our apps as is.
There's no bridging, there's no wrapping
and everything is pretty much a one-click UI UX experience as well.
So very excited for everyone to try out the ecosystem here.
Great. Mariano and Alex,
thanks so much for being here with us today
and sharing the background of both Zeta Chain and Pitch Lucy,
as well as future plans.
One last question from my side.
If people are interested to learn more about you personally,
as well as your projects,
what's the best place to find you?
Is it X or is there any other platforms
you would like to send them to?
X is very fast. Also, Pitch Lucy.ai, where you can go to send them to.
For ZetaCast, also beachloosey.ai where you can go and play the game.
Alright.
Our X account, we
have updates almost every single day
on there, from development
to ecosystems to everything.
And we also have Discord and all
the major socials as well.
Okay, perfect.
Thanks so much, guys, again.
Really enjoyed the conversation today.
Good luck and hope to speak more soon.
Thank you very much. Bye.
Cheers.
