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Live from Seattle: Tuesday Tezday @ TezCon 2025
Recorded: June 28, 2025 Duration: 0:46:42Space Recording
Short Summary
TezCon 2025 in Seattle highlights the vibrant Tezos community, showcasing new projects, partnerships, and innovative features like multi-signature capabilities. The event emphasizes community engagement and social responsibility, reflecting the evolving trends in the crypto space.
Full Transcription
Hello, hello, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome to a special live edition
of Tuesday, Tuesday.
Can't hear anything.
Are we good?
How are we sounding?
Are we okay?
All right.
Well, guess what?
It's a special edition of Tuesday, Tez Day on Saturday.
Coming to you live from TezCon 2025 right here in Seattle.
No usual format today.
We're kicking off the event with a full hour live on site with stories,
a little recap, and some very real Tezos community energy.
I'm Blanks, and if you've been hanging with us this week, you know it's already been packed.
We've had hours of tours, tacos, music, tech checks, late nights, and today it all comes together.
So before the official programming starts, let's walk through how we got here.
programming starts, let's walk through how we got here.
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Well, Wednesday night was at Mark's place.
It was the first gathering.
It kicked off Wednesday night at Mark Fendel's.
The plan was a simple gear check, run through the live stream setup, test the mics, make sure nothing caught fire.
But the night kind of opened up on its own.
Fish tacos, they came out hot.
We pulled up chairs in the backyard and suddenly we're deep in it, talking Etherlink, migration stories, even some jazz.
Then someone says, you got to see the creek.
So we head out back, flashlights in hand.
And that's where we find this towering beaver dam, easily, easily 16 feet tall.
Packed with sticks, branches, mud.
You could see all the stumps and trails where they'd hauled
everything in. And someone, I'm pretty sure it was Ryan, goes, beavers might be the only builders
not trying to pitch a token. That one actually hit. So Thursday, Thursday was rain, food,
and the troll. Thursday had that classic Seattle mist going. Light rain, enough wind to make you second guess being outdoors.
But the view from Jack Block Park, it was worth it.
We walked the waterfront with an old friend of the show.
The conversation just flowed.
AI, crypto, burnout, what's next for Tezos?
What people are done with.
The kind of talk that keeps moving with your feet.
By the time we
wrapped the loop, we were drenched, but it didn't matter. We headed to marination for dinner. They
had outdoor seating. We didn't care. It was still raining. Plates came out fast. Loco moco, fish and
chips, mac salad, making the rounds. The food actually hit harder in the cold. And then, Lincoln Park. We followed the trail down to the beach and
there it was. A giant troll built from
driftwood, ropes, and seashells. It looked
like it had just climbed out of the sound and stopped to rest. No lights, no
signs, just waiting there at the edge of the shore. Easy to miss if you weren't
paying attention.
But we stayed. No one rushed. Friday, the Longhouse and the late night base. Friday, we brought it in tune. We spent the afternoon at the Duwamish Longhouse across the river named
after their people. Same name Seattle's named for, and yet the tribe still isn't federally recognized.
You feel the weight of that when you're in the space, hearing stories, seeing the work. One of
the women who helps run it pulled us aside and offered a quick tour behind the building.
She walked us through the space they'd reclaimed from a dead zone. Now it's a trail, a nursery,
a pollination area, even a classroom.
You could feel how much intention went into it.
Then we switched up, found a bar, ordered some pitchers and appetizers that never stayed on the table long.
And that's when Mr. Pinnock joined in.
And we just let the night be what it was. Music talk, random logistics, nothing structured.
Later that night, we circled back to Mark's.
The grill fired up, salmon on chris picked up the base everyone was running on fumes but in the best way
and speaking of the baseline and late nights chris pinnock is here with us live he made the trip out
for tezcon hung through every meetup and somehow still has energy for this
morning chris how's seattle treating you yeah um very well actually considering the flight went
very well um i'm staying near the white center and i've got a lovely studio apartment there,
sort of not far from Westwood.
We had a great time last night.
Mark and his wife Jane looked after us.
We had a massive salmon.
It was massive, biggest salmon I've ever seen.
Now, are you a big salmon fan?
Do you eat a lot of salmon over there in the UK?
I eat a lot of salmon.
I eat a lot of salmon and meat in the UK? I eat a lot of salmon. I eat a lot of
salmon and meat and vegetables,
so that was perfect.
And then I went to bed, my eyes
shut, and I woke up at two,
and then four, and then eight.
And then I decided
to go for a little walk and have a massive
breakfast in the Alpine, which was
very good. So I'm ready to go,
ready for this for sure
well you know you've been a part of this community for a while now was there a moment
on this trip where it really clicked like yeah this is my crew yeah i mean i've met uh ryan and
mark before and a couple of the other guys as well. We were out here six weeks ago.
I was doing a baseball tour, so we all connected then, had a really good time.
But I mean, I think the key thing here is that the guys here are pure users.
Most of them, they use the chain.
They mint NFTs, they put artwork on, they put music on, they do all sorts of stuff.
But they don't really know what's going on underneath.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Ryan obviously is a builder.
He devs stuff and he needs to know what's going on underneath.
But if you talk to most people here, they've got a wallet and they do stuff and they're using our chain.
and they're using our chain and it's it's brilliant so yeah definitely my crew
And it's brilliant.
So, yeah, definitely my crew.
now i know you travel a lot and you've you've been all over the place man you've you've seen
quite a few places you are up in seattle what's the weirdest or most unexpected moment getting
here to tezcon well everything went everything went really well um i got to customs and and you have a weird thing here at Seattle
you get your luggage first before passport so that was a bit of strange and then I was asked
at passport control what are you doing here and so I said well I'm I'm going to a conference of
musicians and artists and he said where's that then Delridge says where's Delridge
West Seattle where else should it be?
And he just stamped the passport and I moved on.
But that, I did have a slightly strange experience
this morning at breakfast.
You have something in the US that we don't have in the UK
and that's good old boys.
I think it's fair to say, you know,
we don't have good old boys in the UK,
but you have them here in the US.
Chris, you say
good old boys. Now, sir,
do tell, what
happened when you got here?
I was in the diner
at 9 o'clock this morning, and
three good old boys walked in,
not doing any harm.
And the first thing they ordered at 9.15 was a Bailey's and a vodka.
And proceeded to drink it.
I mean, I wouldn't argue.
If somebody offered that kind of wisdom early on that I wasn't aware was available,
I too may have partaken, I'm not going to lie.
Okay, so full disclosure, 9 o'clock in the morning here
is probably my five o'clock or roundabout that.
So I have to admit I did join them for a vodka.
Oh, I would have.
I think if I was you,
that wouldn't have been a choice.
It's sort of almost like an implied have to.
Yeah, absolutely.
But yeah, they were fine.
One was from Texas, one was from Florida,
and the other guy was from Seattle
and he was sitting there worried the entire meal.
But yeah, it was a good breakfast other than that.
Well, let's kind of take a step back, just a little.
I mean, I appreciate you giving me a little microscope.
So, bigger picture, you've been here for a while.
What's something maybe that has changed your mind about since getting more
involved with tezos or something that maybe shocked you and then totally completely changed
how you think about it so um i always believed it before but i don't think i ever saw it
so acutely in in previous jobs and that's um that human beings work to incentives so
people working on something
they need to have some kind of vested
interest in it and
that can be money or
it could be that they want to do a good
job or they want to provide a
service or they want to do something for the
good of the world but I think
I've seen that more recently where on blockchain, particularly, people are really
about how they're incentivized to get something out of it.
And I've always seen this throughout my career, but I've seen it more recently.
So let's go into that. I got to go a little bit you say incentivize i i know people who do
things and it's funny they don't do it for money they don't they don't do it when you talk incentives
are you talking all kinds of different so you're talking like maybe the psychological incentives
financial everything or are you just speaking purely like money for for action here well i mean i've got some uh
they're not close friends of mine but they run a soup kitchen on a friday night they do that
because they want the world to be a better place um i think we have a mix on tezos of people that
do things because they want to build a community and we have a some people that do things because
they want to receive some money for it um But I think generally in blockchain, we're seeing more people do things because of the money incentive.
Which is kind of unfortunate because it seems like when that money dries up, man, the support can seem to wane.
But then again, was it really ever support, Chris?
I mean, you've got to start somewhere, haven't you?
You've got to
start the fire, and then the fire
needs to keep going.
I hear that.
I hear that. And then, of course, inevitably, some
will enjoy it, right? Some will find some
value, and they will inevitably love it and
stay. So, I guess
we can't poo-poo at all, can we,
Chris? We can't.
We can't.
All right.
Well, you've seen this space through some highs and some lows.
What's kept you grounded when things were starting to get quieter?
So I'm 50 next month, and I've seen and worked on many many IT projects and most of them have had a quiet period.
And usually you call that quiet period the dip or the garden, the trough of disillusionment, whatever you want to call it.
And the way you get out of these periods is with high direction and support.
And the good news is that in Tezos, we've got a tech strategy called tezos x and that's
got very solid direction about where we're going and i work daily with management teams in trillotech
and the medic labs that are providing a lot of support we've got people in the community providing
support we're obviously being a bit more selective about what we do,
but we're going to get through those
quiet times, no problem.
Now it's starting to pick up in here.
Are you hearing this weird
noise in the back? If you are, you are
starting. We're on sound check.
We're starting
the fun part of
TezCon. I can hear...
Oh, I see. Who is that? That's Fendel up
on stage. Now, folks, if
you wish to join us on live stream,
we are streaming on Twitch.
I forget the...
What's the handle, Ryan?
Hey, Ryan. Is it TezCon
underscore... What is it? TezCon... What's the
Twitch? Do you remember offhand?
No, no, no, no, no. It's nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
We'll put the link underneath.
Tezcon Seattle, all one word.
Tezcon Seattle, we'll word. TezCon Seattle.
We'll put it on a link.
We'll get it pinned to this thing ASAP.
We'll put Chris to work over here.
He's got the computer.
Now that'll...
Never mind.
No, that's going to be too hard.
Oh, I guess we were wrong.
Yes.
Oh, you want to check levels over there tescon underscore seattle tescon
underscore seattle okay perfect so yeah if you want to join us over at twitch tescon underscore
seattle now chris i got i got kind of a tough one for you. You're going to have to like really dig in on this one. Okay.
Because I mean, what's a trend or mindset in the crypto space that you think we'll all laugh at or we'll think is weird at for a year now?
No, I need depth here.
Like, don't just go like chairs.
No, we have chairs, plenty of chairs.
No, we have chairs, plenty of chairs.
So I think, you know, something, you know,
an analogy that I always draw, like in the telco business
that I used to work in is that we used to buy, you know,
a gig of internet years ago for lots of money,
and now you can buy it for very little money.
I think one of the things that I've seen recently
is we're spending a lot of money, not just us, by the way,
across the blockchain market. that I've seen recently is we're spending a lot of money not just us by the way across
across the blockchain market there's a lot of money going into projects and audits and perhaps
it's a little bit higher than than you might want to spend and I think I think in a couple of years
time we'll look back at some of those projects and think, why did we spend so much?
Purely because in the future it will become cheaper to do those things.
I don't think it's something we'll laugh at.
I think it's something we'll go, hang on a minute,
that was a lot of money back then, and now we can do it cheaper.
Maybe, I don't know.
But I mean, it's important we learn from these things too, right?
We have to try them, right?
We have to do them, or do we not?
I mean, it...
No, we have to do them, and actually, when you do them for the first time,
they are more complex.
We are doing some things on Tezos that no one's ever done before.
If you look at Etherlink, the InShine roll-up and so on,
no one's ever done that before.
We're leading the way there.
We're doing lots of new things that have never been done before.
And absolutely, we have to do them.
But as time goes by, we will do those things,
and we'll do those things cheaper and more efficiently.
And at the same time, too, like you said, we are entering into new territory.
We're kind of, there's the leading edge, and then you can add a B to that,
and it becomes the bleeding edge, and it can get real dangerous out here where we are.
And, I mean, it's easy to copy what worked in other places, right?
But if it intentionally was done there for a reason,
that might not work over here sometimes, right? Exactly. There's no point in just copying what
other people are doing because there's got to be a differentiator. Otherwise, what's the point?
Maybe just to hear ourselves talk. Maybe that's the point. No, I'm kidding.
just to hear ourselves talk. Maybe that's the point.
No, I'm kidding.
So, TezCon,
it's happening, man, around
us in real life right now.
What's something you wish more people
in this space actually did instead
of just tweeting about it? What else can we do?
Just generally. I mean, we get
a lot of likes and tweets and
so on, but
what we need more is
we need more action. it's very well having a
boat with eight people and if you've got seven people telling one rower what to do that's no
good what we really need is seven people rowing the boat and pushing us forward so call to action
that's that's not just click likes let's go and do. And that's kind of like joining us here.
You can join us in this space, which we appreciate you.
We've got that live stream running.
We'll eventually get to pinning it because I'm operating on a phone,
so I apologize.
But we'll have it pinned.
So let's say, Chris, TezCon becomes a yearly thing.
This is something that we end up, this is like on the calendar,
it's expected now, which almost feels that way.
What do you hope someone feels when they leave here for the first time?
Well, if they come here today, they're going to have an absolutely fantastic time.
There's a load of really good musicians and artists here,
and it's been very well put together the organization
that's gone in has been fantastic and I think people will leave today feeling part of a community
if they're if they're on Tezos already they'll feel more part of that community and if they're
not part of Tezos already they will go and get a wallet and try and participate. So I hope this will happen again.
I hope it becomes a regular thing.
And kudos to everyone that's put the effort in to get it going.
And let me tell you, Chris, this is definitely a work of passion.
This is not something that is thrown together accidentally.
There's a lot of intention here.
And there's a lot of excitement.
We've got people who have driven up from California, Oregon,
somebody who flew all the way over from UK.
This is an exciting thing.
We've got people from all over, and it's exciting to see everyone.
It certainly is, yeah.
And I think we need to get more people in the U.S. over as well.
We're over here on the West Coast,
and maybe as we build it, more people will come.
Well, I think every huge movement,
it started almost probably in someone's kitchen or living room
over a conversation between one or two people.
And that kind of passion, that kind of movement is really all it takes to change the world, right, Chris?
Yeah, totally. It's probably Fendel's Kitchen, to be fair.
Oh, 100% it's Fendel's Kitchen, definitely.
Or it's his back patio table, but that's where all the conversations probably went down.
That's where all the conversations probably went down.
Definitely, definitely.
Definitely.
So, Chris, you have a really special perspective.
You've got access to some of the smartest people in the world.
And I don't say that lightly or to just kind of blow smoke up your ass.
I mean, you do really know and work with some of the most intelligent people in the world and you're in
one of the most interesting pro in my opinion one of the most interesting projects that i've ever
seen like how do you even describe tezos in one word the most obvious word is technology
tezos is really strong on technology the The tech is great. It's absolutely solid.
I'd say that, you know, having looked at it and used it.
I think where we need to go is we need to start packaging it up more and getting it out there and making it more accessible.
I mean, one of the things I like about coming here
is the people here are using it as users as i said earlier they are
you know they don't care about block times and so on particularly they they are they're minting
nfts they're using it looking at the results and we need to reach out more with our community like
that and package things up for them well i'm looking around we have some faces uh some new people coming in this is really exciting
oh bill knight is set up bill knight's one of our local artists here in seattle he has brought some
of his works his story is very powerful hopefully we'll get a chance to go talk to him later chris
are we going to go run around and go talk to all these people? Well, when we get on the Twitch stream, there's no stopping us.
Don't stop us now.
Well, this will be fun.
So let's see here.
Let's say you're stuck in a group chat with five Tezos people.
Now, I know this is kind of hard.
You're going to probably make some people mad.
Some people are going to feel left out.
But who's in this and how chaotic is it really,
brother? So do I have to pick
five?
Five. Yeah, just five. That's all.
That's all. Okay.
So off the
top of my head then,
I think I'd have to pick
Arthur. We'd need Arthur
in there. That would be the
authoritative source
from the perspective of setting the chain up.
Are you sure you're going to pick Arthur?
Well, I guess, okay, Arthur, all right, that's one.
Yeah, that's one. I'd have him in the room.
Then I would probably pick Alexander Art,
who has a different perspective
on the chain.
She's an art person
so she's exactly
in the camp we are here.
Who else?
Effa.
He did a great show
with you guys last week.
I'm an
Effa fanboy. I'm not going to lie.
He's a good guy. He's promised me a night
out drinking Turkish.
I'm actually jealous. I'm actually
jealous. If he's listening,
then he's got to honor those credits.
He would be good there.
I think we'd have to have you
as the
chairman. I'm honored,
but that was a shocker.
I didn't expect that.
We'd need you for your dulcet tones.
And I think we should probably get someone from the old days.
So off the top of my head, I'd get Roman Shanida.
Wow, I haven't heard Roman's name in a minute.
Well, Roman used to be my boss, so we'd get him in.
So his background was PWC.
He audited cryptocurrency foundations and so on.
And he came in and added a layer of structure
and pretty much influenced quite a lot of things I do today.
So, yeah, we'd have him in.
And then we'd probably get Kevin Moravian.
Why not? Oh, we need Kevin. Kevin, he's we'd probably get Kevin Moravian. Why not? Oh, we need
Kevin. Kevin, he's spicy. We need
Kevin. Exactly, but that's six.
So you'd have to budge a seat up
for that. Okay, it'll be six.
I'll just change the question. We'll just change it to
six people. You know, how's that?
All right, so
what's an idea you've seen
before in another environment
that you are now seeing again in Tezos?
Yeah, this is a nice question
because when I started in telecoms in the year 2001,
which is many years ago,
probably before some of our listeners were born,
we were switching the networks over to things like MPLS.
And what that was doing was it was establishing a core network
that was really fast and putting all the intelligence
on the edge of the network
and then doing very fast switching of packets in the middle.
in the middle.
They're doing a,
They're doing a, if you can hear that,
if you can hear that,
they're doing a sound check behind us.
behind us.
So that worked very well
for the telecoms environment.
And what we're doing
in Tezos X
is we're making
the layer one,
you know,
what is currently doing
the baking and the staking,
we're making that
a very fast
sound layer
and we're moving
the intelligence
into the layer two.
And so this, this is going to make is going to make Tezos very scalable.
This sort of thing is not a new idea. It's the sort of thing you do. You refactor your code
or you set your network up for scale. That's what I'm seeing.
I'm feeling very positive about that.
feeling very positive about that.
Well,
Chris,
you have
a unique opportunity where you've
been able to introduce this to people,
you've had to explain it to people who've been
introduced to it, you've explained
concepts to people who've been here forever,
you've kind of experienced
sort of a big
example of
understanding in Tesla's. What do
most people get wrong about what it
feels like to build in this space?
I think
people think it's hard
and I don't think it
is that hard. I think there's a
slight steep curve to get in.
But, I mean, next week, for example,
I'm giving a session on setting a baker up,
and we'll set a baker up in 25 minutes.
It's not difficult.
So we'll go through all of that,
and we'll take all the complexity out.
I think probably if you go and do a course with Nomadic Labs,
they do them every two to three months on smart contracts.
By the end of that, you'll be able to write a smart contract on Tazos.
So I don't think it's as hard as people think.
I think you've just got to go and bite the bullet and choose a project and get going.
That does sound easy.
I know if you mentioned to Ryan how easy it is, like 25 minutes to spin up it, because he's still got PTSD from Ethereum, let's be honest.
I think a lot of people do.
Yes.
Well, I mean, Ethereum's got other challenges because you've got different software to run.
You've got two pieces of software to run, and then you've got more choice for those two pieces,
and then you've got to have it to work together very well.
And there are, I mean, there is an Ethereum Docker project that does all that.
Now, we've got one implementation called Octes, and you'll see, know if I if we get a video out next week
I'm hoping we get a video out next week we can set something up in 25 minutes and failing that
you've also got things like Tez Bake and Kiln that take the complexity out of it so it's not
that difficult to set these things up and I guess maybe maybe that's why we have our expectations set right from all our
experiences and maybe that's maybe why we're having issues getting that across that it is a
very different sort of situation there well i think i think the problem with everything is if
if something doesn't work the first time there is a tendency just to walk away and put put the thing
down right um so if we can make that experience better for people,
then they won't walk away.
Or if they've got somewhere to go and ask, then they will.
We've got a tech relations group now that help people out
on a daily basis.
So hopefully that will improve with time.
Now, if you could just, you know, change one thing about how people experienced as us today,
what do you think that would be?
That's a good question.
That's a very good question.
The key thing for us is that we make sure our wallets give a good experience for our users
because that is how a user interfaces with Tezos even if even if they're on a dap you know ultimately
they're going to have to connect a wallet and move forward so I don't think there was anything massively I would change about that,
but I might put,
if I had unlimited money,
I might put a UX team on stuff
and go, just spend the next two weeks
going through, doing all these things on Tezos
and write down a list of bugs,
and we go fix them.
I think that's actually a great idea.
Unfortunately, how do you know
unless you get that third-party outside perspective?
Well, you use it.
In fact, one of the things,
just to big up Tezos Commons briefly,
there's a guy working in Tezos Commons
who is probing all of our systems.
And I get probably every two weeks, two weeks I get a report from him saying,
I've just found this problem.
And then we talk to the project and we get it fixed.
And he's fixing, as a result, we're finding any security issues, we're finding them.
We probably need to do that on the UX as well.
That's awesome.
That's great.
I had no idea my fellow company men were championing security and safety in the background.
Yeah, there is someone around doing that for sure.
I think he's in Tesla's.
I thought he was in Tesla's Commons. I could be wrong. Maybe he isn't. I don't know. Oh, I think he's in Tesla's... I thought he was in Tesla's comments.
I could be wrong. Maybe he isn't. I don't know.
Oh, I think he is. I think I know who you're talking about, actually.
So, here we go. Are you ready?
I'm ready.
What's a moment when the Tesla's community surprised you in a good way?
This question.
That's rough. That's rough.
That's rough.
That was rough.
Actually, I was surprised this week
because we've added a feature of multi-sig
into the next protocol.
And this is going to allow us to do a whole load of things.
Okay, so stop, Chris. Everybody says, oh, this thing is going to be so good. Do this
thing and make it better. What is it?
Well, it means that you can have three different, let's say, three different keys and you need
to say, sign what you're doing with two of them. So if you're in an audited organization,
that means you can have three key holders,
you know, three people,
and you can get some stuff done
without having to go into sort of audit conditions
because in the previous world,
you only had one key and you had to protect it.
So that's quite a nice thing.
And that's just gone in.
And I was pleasantly surprised by that.
Now, what are some use cases other than like being some fancy financial company getting audited?
Do you think it could be useful in other, like, is there anywhere that you're thinking this could work also?
Well, things like, I'm not saying it does do this because I've got to dig deeper.
But let's say you wanted to change your consensus key as a baker.
So as a baker, you can have a master key that's got all your funds on it and you can delegate your consensus to another key.
And that operation itself is quite an involved one because you're giving people quite a lot of power of your key.
So if you've got a multi-sig on that, all of a sudden, three people can make a decision,
or two out of three, or three out of five can sign that transaction.
And you don't have to worry about one key signing that transaction and having to protect it so much.
one key signing that transaction having to protect it so much so how are we handling that now since
it's not technically on chain or native as well i mean i can tell you how we handle it at tesla's
foundation we we um we protect the key and we have a pro a four eyes process around key management
and so we follow that process um it's a little bit involved, but switching to
a multi-sig would take the complexity out of it. It seems like it would simplify it a little bit.
So, all right. You've seen a lot in crypto. You've probably had everybody and their mother
come out of the woodwork trying to pitch you their grandma's great idea what's a project idea you heard once that sounded absolutely
ridiculous but it actually kind of stuck with you um do you know i don't i don't have one. I mean, I think the problem is that I have a,
obviously you know me too well,
and you know this is a sticking one.
I'm a very binary person,
so I either get it or I don't get it.
I admit that I've been wrong.
I mean, last year I was wrong twice,
both on a Tuesday,
because there was a lot of Tuesdays last year,
so it must have been one of them.
I can't
think of anything where I've gone oh that was I thought that was a terrible idea and now I think
it's a a great idea um I think if an idea is pitched right and it's good you think yeah actually
that is a good idea doesn't necessarily mean that you will do it. There's an idea floating out there called reverse sync.
And so the idea of that is that you start your node up
and it grabs the latest block available.
And instead of syncing from Genesis up to the latest block,
it syncs backwards.
But we've had snapshots for years in Tezos,
and the best way to get going is to get a snapshot
and then sync the difference up there.
So now reverse sync's a nice idea,
but it doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to do it
because it's not going to add much value to it.
But I haven't heard anything that I thought,
oh, that's a terrible idea,
and then a year later gone,
actually, that's a really good idea.
I can't think of anything. That's probably's a terrible idea. And then a year later, actually, that's a really good idea. I can't think of anything.
That's probably actually a good thing.
I mean, if we're talking about ideas
that end up being good
and we miss them,
that obviously,
that could be problematic, right?
So, is there a hot take
you believe that would get you roasted
in most discords?
Sorry. You're on dangerous ground it's a good job that most of our management are in bed uh for this for this sex space um
i i don't think so actually i think one of the things I would say is
talking seriously for a
minute
most of the
senior guys
that I work with
are very open
for discussing stuff
even if they've got their foot down
so you can actually say look I'm not sure I agree with you on that.
You know, you don't go and say, I think you're wrong.
That's the wrong way to do it.
But if you say, I don't agree with you on that because of X, Y, Z,
and you go and explore it.
So, I mean, one of the themes that, you know, as you know,
it's close to my heart is um getting people that don't know
anything about crypto on on a cryptocurrency of some of some kind so i think tezos is a great
place to do that but then there are other people that feel that if they're not on crypto now then
they never will be i i don't think that's the case i think it's about getting them to jump that cavern and get over the first hurdle.
So, yeah, I don't think people in our senior management team would,
you know, if you've got a good case, would roast you for it.
That's my view anyway.
Well, also too, right?
I mean, any take that you're bringing to the table is probably
nuanced it's probably Tezos focused it's probably I mean to be fair you're looking to push us
forward you're not trying to hamstring us right so I I don't know that that does make sense I guess
total sense and I can I can see now that you're you're trying to have some fun here young man
well Chris man you have been an all star
I've had you up here for about 40 minutes
we'll open it up if anybody's got questions or want to say anything
in the audience if you guys want to say hi to anyone
here we're starting to have some oh I see some more people in. I've got Jake over here showing off some of his work,
but I just want to say, hey folks, thank you so much for joining us today. You guys are an
amazing audience, but we are so excited to be here at TezCon 2025. We are in Seattle. We are
live. The music starts at about 20 minutes.
The show will end about
that time, but we will have live
audio feed on the live feed.
Right now, unfortunately, it's just video.
Well, we're better than that. We've got a panel.
And I've got to, in 19
minutes, I've got to go and sit on a panel.
Oh, well,
you know what, then? I'm going to go ahead
and cut you loose so you can go at least
go to the bathroom yeah or something you know yeah go get half a pint you know so folks i want
to thank you guys so much for joining us today this has been absolutely amazing we are in the
midst of tezcon 2025 this is uh this has been quite the experience. You guys, I love you. Thank you for joining us.
This whole thing wouldn't be possible without the community. And this is about honoring the
community, bringing the community together, and building Tezos, making it a place where we
feel like a family and a real place where we can grow together. So folks, I appreciate you today.
You are amazing.
This is just, I don't know.
I'm all lost for words.
Perhaps we should ask, is Joshi there?
Does he want to say anything?
I mean, if he wants to, the poor guy, he spent the evening in hell
and then
he had to drive home in it.
He's probably tired.
But if he wants to come up and say hi, that's fine.
I don't think he wants
to come up and say hi. He waved. See, he waved.
He's happy.
He's alive.
We're happy for him that he's alive.
Because, I mean, shoot, dude, could you imagine, Chris,
if he had left and then that plane got struck by lightning
and then the news wasn't that the tower shut down,
that Yoshi got struck by lightning?
That would be a terrible story.
We don't want to do that.
I knew that would get you up here.
We don't want to do that for sure.
Yoshi, welcome to the stage, my man.
How the heck are you, brother?
I'm sorry you can't be here.
I'm super sorry I can't be there.
And, you know, I keep fighting the feeling that there was probably more that could be done.
But I just didn't have the energy to keep trying at 3, 4 in the morning.
But I am super happy that the show is getting put together
i'm watching the stream enjoying the show so far and you guys were super understanding and helpful
along the way and i appreciate you excellent well i'm really sad because i didn't get to
meet you in atlanta either so um i was hoping to catch up with you here well i'm glad to hear that your trip's been fun it was fun hearing you tell your stories uh about
the good old boys and stuff and i'm sure that i'll get to meet you soon now we we need to we
need to do it we will arrange it it will happen for sure so i mean this this is going to happen
again next year there'll be other events and we'll figure it out.
But it's better to be safe than sorry, to be honest with you.
Right.
So, I think Blangs is having a microphone or headphone issue by the looks of it.
So, what I'm going to do, are you on?
Oh, yeah.
My monitor went down.
But I'm back.
I can hear again. Yay. Lucky me. It was funny. It was Are you on? Oh, yeah. My monitor went down, but I'm back. I can hear again.
Yay.
Lucky me.
It was funny.
It was like, hey, Yosh, man.
Great to have you up here.
I can't hear him.
I'm looking panicked.
I can't hear him.
Chris, I can't hear him.
No, it was...
Hey, buddy.
Good to hear your voice.
I got it fixed.
Yoshie's supposed to be here with us.
He's actually...
We didn't change the lineup buddy
your name's still up there out of respect because you still got your spot well maybe we'll just hold
up like uh our phones in light do you want to like maybe you can call us and we'll put you on
like a speakerphone and you can play you best believe that my imagination was running and
trying to figure out how i could could still be part of the show.
But I don't think there's a way to do it in a quality way that I'm set up for.
Well, brother, you are sorely missed.
Everybody was absolutely bummed.
And nature is cruel.
The universe can be cruel.
It doesn't seem to care what we want sometimes, and that's not fair.
But hey, brother, you did everything you could, and I am super proud of you for sitting there for almost six hours.
Like, you wanted to be here, man.
And we know that, and we appreciate that, man.
So thank you.
All right.
Well, Chris is like, hurry up, man.
I got to go.
I got stuff I need to know. Yoshi, thank you so much for coming up. I appreciate you. All right. Well, Chris is like, hurry up, man. I got to go. I got stuff I need.
No, Yoshi, thank you so much for coming up.
I appreciate you.
So I'm going to just do this right here.
Normally, I'd say that's our hour, but that's our 45 minutes, folks.
Huge thanks to Chris jumping on and same to Yoshi and to everyone who's been a part of this last few days leading into this.
If this is your first TezCon, welcome.
If you've been here a while, you already know what this means.
Good night, everyone.
We'll be back with a regular Tuesday, Tez Day in a couple weeks.
But for now, get out there, meet someone new, and make this day count.
TezCon 2025 is officially live.
Thanks for joining, folks.
Appreciate you all. Thank you. Thank you.
