Welcome Kyle. How are you? Hello hello. Trying to figure out how to make my bathroom hotter.
They fix the pipes. Yeah. Okay. And then I go to take a shower and the water's all cold.
Oh. So I'm like screwed. I love to see it. Hey sorry about that. Oh good. I'm like Google
and stuff and I'm like I don't know if I should be doing this. Yeah. Oh by the way I had to
claim a lunar crumb to my cold wallet today. I haven't sent it to any address specifically.
I'll probably give it away at some point maybe in this space. We'll see if people like tech.
But I did that for the puzzle. You know what I mean. I don't know what you mean. I know
about the puzzle. You know the puzzle right. Like bones and stuff all over the place. I'm
like yeah sure. All right. I'll be right back. I got to fix my toe. All right. Sounds good.
All right. For those of you listening to our recording we will be getting started here
very shortly. As soon as Crow Magnus and the NFT record shop get in here they said to tell
you all that they will be a few minutes late.
Welcome everyone. Got Funkin Kyle up here on stage. Got Nate. What's going on Nate. Feel
free to come on up. How are you. Good good. Just shaking off that. It's like Magic the
Gathering that summoning sickness right. You get tagged up. You kind of have to help.
You're not sure if your audio works or if you reboot everything in line with the Bluetooth.
But safe to say we are as unrugged as possible at this stage of the game which is saying
a lot. How are you guys doing tonight. Pretty terrific here. Appreciate the ask. Abel
what's going on. Hey what's up. You can hear me. I've got my left side song wearing
awesome. Good. Loud and clear. Yeah I'm doing good. It's exciting. You know it's we're
going to do something here. Yes we are. We got Crow jumping into space. We got Cuckoo
and Luna down there as well. Welcome everyone. Make sure to hit that little purple button
in the bottom right hand corner. Leave a comment. Hit the retweet. Hit the like. Bookmark
it for later. Why not. Let's bring the NFT record shop account up here as well. Just
for funsies. Bring Crow on up. There you go. That should have worked. We'll see. But
yeah we got Crow in the space. Crow how are you doing. Chill man doing well. Just
trying to get some OBS up here and running. I definitely don't want to do this new upload
that they're trying to ask me to do so. OK. I'll be on streaming here in just one minute.
Sounds great. So while he's setting that up. Hey I think everyone here knows knows
each other but Abel Nate and Luna if you want to come up. What do we what are we thinking
for tonight going down. Yeah I can jump in with that one no problem. Well we want to always
kind of increase our relationship with Son. You guys have been a great collab partner without
being like a sponsor or pressure based relationship. You guys understand Web 3 with the landscapes
like and you guys have been just great to us as a partner. And I think kind of showing
that relationship and our friendship is overlapping with the featuring aspects stuff. And so tonight
we wanted to find some common ground hopefully bowing down to Mr. Crow himself in the building.
What's up Crow. Throwing some of that that creative flavor in the pot. And we're just
really excited to be here to have been considered as part of the Web 3 music community as something
notable that Son who's obviously in it for the long haul wanted to to give us whatever
you want to call it a nod. We're proud of that because as a semi nonprofit or whatever
you want to call the pop up record shop as a talk show about Web 3 music and what we
do it's tough sometimes to know what our goal is or just know if anyone's listening
or paying attention. And it's with projects like Son and we're obviously doing big things
with the Sonware and just awesome deployments and just great people that are out there putting
the work in when a project or someone like that nods to you even in a small way it's
heartwarming. It's an awesome thing. And when it's someone like Crow who I told you you
were one of the first music NFTs I ever bought which was that 8th in productions Timbaland
thing. That was one of the first ever NFTs I got. And I'm pretty positive you were the
cover art on that one which is funny because I ran to Abraham Lincoln at 8th Fest like
a year later. But no it's just it's awesome to keep that relationship strong and to really
come together in the Web 3 music space no matter which project you're from quote unquote
or place that we all have a common goal some common values and in a way that we can kind
of reflect a bond that's not just some sort of commercial or bullshit thing. So big ups
to the art and to you guys for this opportunity.
Dude that's awesome. Yeah Crow.
No I was just going to say thanks for everything you all do. I know you guys grind out every
day making sure to have a place for people to come in and every time I've stepped into
your spaces I always feel very like the warm welcome. So I appreciate the tenor and tone
of the spaces you all run and as always like all the support you guys have shown
sawn and kind of support we'd like to show back to you all for sure. I know Devin hit
me up and said that you guys had talked about some of the traits that were the trait
that you guys would like to make tonight. And one thing I mentioned was it's maybe like
an accoutrement or something like something that's not as heavy duty as a full mask maybe
like a hand trade or like maybe some clothing gear or something. Yeah I'm open for whatever
so don't I'm not trying to limit y'all to one thing or another. But yeah what do you
guys think what are you all thinking about. We're all kind of game nerds and especially
with the synth wave and a lot of those in the circle. I don't know about Able but I would
love we've talked about a tone arm like it's a Mega Man tone arm canon feature that if it
could be like somehow I have the NFT record shop logo if it's small or you couldn't read
the type it looks like a wrist tattoo or you know I mean something like that it would
be dope to have a cyborg like tone arm thing but I don't know if you could implement
that able might have a better thought like Mega Man or something like the canon. Yeah
and like record stylist hand you know like a needle record needle or a hand cyborg like
phono cyborg like like we don't have a lot of money but we want the half million dollar
man instead and so the quarter million dollar man on a budget recycled vinyl arm yeah with
a stylist fingertip you know that you can like play music like it's like a DJ you know but
yeah like it's like you know the needle hits and it's like you get the frequency like you
can get music out of a rock with your stylist you know. I'll pull aside this isn't our show
we shouldn't we shouldn't knock you guys completely off course but no we do like the the kind of
this topic like like resistance kind of vibe like with the art already so I'm trying to
think of how like the the arm or the something that's like record shop related without making
it like shameless like hey put our logo like billboard like make it a hoodie that only says
our names and our tags to our Twitter you know around them and nothing else no I mean
we leave it to you it looks good in integration that's gonna be a big one we want a Twitter
bird like a forehead tattoo that says NFT record shop sort of like just real subtle
just no heavy lifting there tastily you know like like as if this guy were a gentleman about
town in in New Mexico sans serif maybe yeah like a classy face tattoo you know yeah I love
classy face tattoos what other types of face tattoos are there I was thinking that you
the Mega Man versus the stylist it's like two different they're like almost the exact
opposite size of the spectrum in terms of what kind of shape they are once like this thin
needily pokey thing and the other ones like this big jet engine II looking thing yeah it
could be either way too because the other thing is to it could be like the big jet
engine II one with its own graphic on the outside or something I don't know like like an inlay on
that like it's good because you do a lot of the metallic finish it that's so dope that
would leave probably some room there you could totally do that so like a so like a Mega Man
stylist arm heavy on the metallic finish perhaps some embossing type stuff involving shameless
advertising sounds about right and actually if you want use Abel's PFP I don't think he's
ever gonna sell it I would say use mine but the more these guys get me hooked on buying
music gear the more likely it is I'm gonna flip the save really quickly it's an expensive
hobby to get into oh bro I already bought the FLX 10 pioneer deck than the one with
the stem splits like these guys were telling me for like a year and a half I was a DJ and
didn't know it and then I didn't realize like what stems and all the terms these guys have
been using so freely meant because I spent my my literal days like in a record shop
as a kid in the 90s and I had pirate copies of sound Forge and acid 3.0 and so like
stretching breaks I didn't realize like they were talking about shit I understood the
whole time and that's sort of what the record shop bridge to for me was I wrote
for BPM and like did some some freelance PR for Red Bull Music Academy and it was like
in its first couple years when they were still in like shitty school gym so like to me I
always thought like the game had changed in some way that maybe I couldn't keep up
with or whatever but then I realized all the nomenclature is basically just that and
just messing with the pioneer deck like I used to mess with the DDJs and like the
friend of mine had tables with like was a DJ m1000 with the one that had the the
good onboard effects that's always it was at the Michael's anyway all that stuff
is identical on pioneers still these days I couldn't believe it like out of
the box like using delays effects roles all that stuff it's like it's
identical so one of the things I can credit the shop to to try to put my
money where my mouth is because we always try to encourage everyone to just
get started and just create is sipping my own Kool-Aid and having a bunch of
just amazing producers and sound engineers like Abel and Otto and grit
and racks and so many other jungle lists that like reignited something that was
already a passion for me in music as someone who was a journalist and coverage
of it but actually like convincing me that I had more to say than that to
the tune of spending a couple G on you know a piece of gear to jump in the
game so big ups to that because I think honestly in the end that's what I wanted
to do for other people and kind of I always say at the shop you got to be the
that person for someone else and so in kind of a weird way I think I didn't
realize I was looking for my own way to get into the musical expression game and
trying to create a community that did that for other people so yeah here's
to that here's the communities that kind of foster people finding their legs
creatively and and especially during a time like now in web 3 when it pays to
have it pays more for the relationships these days right to accumulate great
people during a time when it's financially the least rewarding quote
unquote because we don't really need all the F boys that come after everything's
running hot right it's the people that are here now putting in the time from
the love and and that's really who the people we try to acknowledge with
what we're doing and and son you guys definitely fit in with that man that was
all that was incredible I I feel I feel the I had a similar journey in some
regards as you but I think one thing that's always important is you know for
a lot of it indeed I think a lot of my icons and peer peer groups have turned
towards dissemination of information as a big part of like how they would spend
their their their dailies and trying to like enrich the next generation like
whether it's like next generation like super young kids or just like newbies
into the space like coming into web 3 like I think it's I think it's
important to to share what you share what you've learned along the way and
some of your troubles and tribulations and and the perspectives that you have
and get get especially in terms of music and visual art get young people and
and newcomers excited about the creative process and not as much like still hung
up on like what the final product is because it's silly and trite like when
they say it's like it's not the destination it's the journey but I
know from my like the my musical journey with just even just with b-boying and
dancing and and learning a new language to describe music and musicality and
talking about beats and bars of music and getting kids to learn how to count
music and like all these really things that seem like really basic but like I
cared about it you know and I care about that kind of stuff and it's
always it's like one of those things where you know like I love melody but I'm
always like tapping my foot to like a kick drum more or less most of the time
so it's sort of like a little more like beat oriented so sharing what you have
and like inspiring other people to start embracing different you know
always being a student and learning new ways to approach the creative process is
good is always a good feeling yeah the culture like like you're saying
b-boys and those folk we all we all do pretty well in this because we were in
analog social proof culture so you can bust a move show me so you can drop a beat
show me you can tag do it it was always a social proof culture when it came to
like DJ culture hip-hop punk so many others and I think those are the ones
that have had the easiest time to transition to web 3 because we're back
to that hand-to-hand mixtape relationship culture and for a lot of us we were
we were more comfortable in this spot than we were to where it went in the
myspace minute you know or whatever else that came after that like back in the
day when you step another a pager number to call to listen to the
recording to get the directions to the party the directions to the guy who had
the directions to the party in some ways we're back to that with the token
gating and we're hoping to kind of keep that you know the best of those
ideas because you got to be careful what you wish for I remember there was a
time when we were booking drum and bass you get a thousand people to turn up and
you go bro we got a thousand people and you always hope for that success and
then you fast-forward a couple decades and you get to to the festival culture
of hundreds of thousands when you would have been happy with five thousand or
ten and you start wondering if the growth is really what you wanted in the
first place so here's to like bringing the underground to the overground the
right way and all of us being old enough in our generation to remember some
lessons from a few of those that have come like in the very near past we're
getting a chance to do that again and and actually maybe this time not sell
out the revolution yeah I'm all I'm all about living in the moment I mean
that's why I love I love me booing so much and that interaction between the
DJ and the dance floor and the dancer and it's definitely like a guess you just
think and focus at where you are like not not ahead not think about what can
be but or what was it's just like you're right there at the moment and then the
creative process is sort of overlaid over the top like and I think some of the
best dancing and of course some of the best live music is that is right
there in that pocket you know in the flow state and so I really like I love
seeing it transcend different media and one of the things that drew me the most
to this space was like you know a lot of what you guys are doing is and what
we're what I think a lot of artists here doing is trying to intermingle all
these different media formats whether it's audio or visual or you know some
code utility and bring it all together and create a new type of experience that
like as a humanity and as a whole hasn't really had yet and I think we're
all sort of like positioning ourselves around that I'm really excited to be
part of that that process because it does in a lot of ways mimic the early
early moments of like you were saying like punk rock music and like the early
early cusp of the movements and being right there on that that breaking part of
the wave and what that looks like and feels like in the inspiration and
collective you know push over the edge is like it was I like I like that as a
as as creative fodder are you from the Northeast Crow can ask no I grew up in
the southeast in Florida I'm like a I'm like a landmark surfer kid on the Gulf
side of Florida so yeah I was a I was a flyer jockey kid I was the one who I
figured out that they wouldn't card me I was underage and I wanted to get into
shows and I figured out if I did all the firing guest list didn't get carded
but I needed a bit a lot of hit Northeast hip-hop shows and Abel knows
the story a lot of other students you too but I essentially got adopted by a
breaker squad and I still can't dance it was more like look at this kid with his
hair dyed orange in a full-length zip triple five sole rain jacket with the
wide legs on rocking the Shelly's you know like way out of place suburban white
kid down New York down all sorts of places down shampoo and Philly which if
anyone knows Philly yikes you can get stop your sneakers or you could have been
shampoos parking lot but if you go where the music takes you man it's
funny that how you always get in where you fit in if you can't dance sometimes a
breaker crew drop adopts you anyway yeah they're they're like I of all the
elements of hip-hop I think breaking is is the clownish of the ball the biggest
clown clown side because all the breakers I mean are just like super
goofballs at heart I mean even the most serious ones you know like just the
power guys they're like it deep down like they're they're they're goofballs
so and it's a big open community that's not dependent on money in order to do
like to break you don't need anything really like people can just bang out on
a fucking inverted bucket if they have to as long as you got a beat right so
it's like super the barrier entries super low I guess is what I should be
saying so I do that's like yeah part of that culture like making flyers like I
don't know how many fucking thousands of flyers for music shows and friends of
mine that I've made for breaking events and stuff like some of my some of my
favorite artist friends are you know get a lot of make it make a pretty decent
living like a secondary income off doing flyers and stuff so I know it as like a
vehicle for expression but also just to like get the word out and you know
make a little money for the artists who are making the art well I do love to
that we have kind of our our reach and our influences in the in the record shop
from everywhere because able able is kind of a bi-coastal example so it's like
people from Cal you have a seat at the table people from the third coast like
yourself have a seat at the table and then able being having had his music
career taken everywhere to so many different styles and then all of us are
just beat hounds at heart in just different ways it just it makes it so
that we try to keep that global perspective or the bigger perspective of
the US and even myself as someone who lived abroad and taught English and
lived somewhere where I couldn't speak the local language I try to keep that
mentality about what it's like to the people who maybe don't understand the
full scope of web 3 or onboarding and perspective it's just it's good to have
those those angles or those different ways to see the same the same things but
and able you're one who can bring that to the table I mean don't you feel like
the the shop has like a distinctly Cali flow you guys bring so many different
things to the to the table you Luna our community manager and just others who
seem to drop in I feel like we get a really great West Coast showing yeah I
mean definitely the shop is like you know I wouldn't say it's like centered in
anywhere really because it's like all over the place you know and I think
that's what's really cool is like that you know there's been so many people at
this point making music in their bedrooms right like the bedroom producer
community is huge so you know we're we're kind of just tapping into that you
know it was crazy because like even today you know I was talking about you
know the news of like pitchfork going away and things like that like you know
we're still seeing stuff that matter to us and like was part of like the
culture that boosted up what we were doing now is like you know going away
but we're still here you know and like we're we're now gonna carry that torch
and iterate that in a new way because it's just not you know working out or
whatever for some people and you know statistically right so I mean I think
that we're we're kind of like beyond that but we definitely have a bunch of
people on the West Coast and like I mean even like across seas too because like
for me the record shop was you know I'm in the US so every time I went to the
record shop I was looking for like what are the imports you know what is the
stuff that we we don't get here you know besides like singles and and stuff
that I already knew about but like if I was gonna discover music I was really
interested in what we're like being imported you know so I think that we
you know we're trying to bring that back like you know with the with the
NFT record shop and the pop-up record shop space and everything you know that
we're doing so yeah I mean it's like rave culture is is also different too like I
think the West Coast rave culture you know like being in Los Angeles you know
the city's really spread out so like the warehouse districts are like way
downtown or way out here and there in New York it's more like in a building
you know maybe up a few floors like you go up a big elevator and it just opens
up and you're like in this big warehouse space you know but I think like we've
seen that you know kind of get shut down through fire codes and stuff like that
so you know we're we're like looking for like where is the space where's the
new container for this culture and this music that we are that is not gonna stop
but you know where can we discover it and play with it and stuff so yeah I don't
know yeah that's kind of funny I was you know able you mentioned that I was trying
to remember the name of the fire that took place at that and I think it was in
the Bay Area at that studio building it was like a couple years can might even
been a little bit like right before code it was like the Pirates something
or other I feel like but it was a big shared like artist space it's just like
a similar vibe that you were talking about where they would throw music shows
and art art openings and stuff where it was like you know could probably fit you
know 800 people maybe max or something like that and a lot of those you know
with burning burning man getting being a washout you know and it's like mud man
like I do wonder about like what is the next big what is the next space shared
space for taking in music gonna look like you know like if Coachella becomes
like the $12,000 tents and stuff it's like what like that's it like where are
we gonna be at is it VR I don't know I don't want to bring that up it's like
the you know ghoul in the closet type thing I mean if it is VR we want to be
there with the shop you know I mean because like whatever it is we want to
be there and we want to like you know bring like the cultures that we know and
the lessons that we've learned forward in that you know and make it an
interesting place because I mean yeah it's ultimately also for you know the
next generation you know in a sense like and you know to make things really cool
like you know we've seen like skateboarding for instance right like when
I grew up it was illegal now you know it's a fucking Olympic sport so you know
it's like that difference is so huge you know we're now living with that reality
so you were at you've been to people's studio space I thought that kind of
space is like a multimedia space that really had the room the human could you
know capacity that could reach up the fire code to get the kind of numbers to
make it worthwhile to throw an event there fill it out be able to like pay a
paid artist properly like sort of get the financial balance to all work out but
also have like really nice high-end audio visual equipment to be able to put
on something that would you would normally feel like you'd only be able to
experience in like a stadium event or like a giant outdoor festival or like a
Super Bowl but have it at like a more on a more intimate scale and include all
the things like cool floaty QR codes you know every once in a while running across
the the giant you know projected wall to incorporate some other elements you know
to make the experience interactive and or bringing on on chain like immediately
in real time so I have I have a bit of a hot take I said this on the show a
couple times and I saw I feel comfortable enough with you guys to to
hopefully this this will be received okay but part of me feels like the
complete complete virtualization of music is gonna ignore one of the most
important influences on music and it's not a popular take but it's a true take
which is drugs think about the 60s if it was a sterile non LSD involved thing
going on right like now until we can get in the metaverse and like upload tabs
of acid to people part of me feels like we're gonna have a kind of maybe a dip
in that because like creative creative peak has nothing to do with the tools
right that's why Hitchcock movies even though he was like literally cutting shit
together with razor blades still stand to test the time even though they have
budgets that are like dwarfed by now so in some ways I think all of this
hyper digital digitalization is gonna probably leave us playing catch-up in so
many other ways that we're not gonna understand the void of and I think we're
starting to because of how hyper connected we are but how hyper empty the
connections can leave us feeling all of us get burned out on socials right it's
like we're connected to more people more often than ever but loneliness is
so pervasive so it's like part of me feels bad about where music is going and
how sterile it's getting because it's not to say anyone should go I'm thinking
of like warehouse floor and cigarette butts and just like all sorts of gross
and you know go home and shower Sunday night to go to work on Monday morning
like you do every week as 90s kid but um that experience has value the price
you had to pay to go see the music in many ways was really high and it's not
like a ticket price it was like the pound of flesh you had to pay and by
paying it everyone else knew that it meant something and in many ways that's
that's kind of what we do with the shop because people that kind of play their
whips and shit as it unfolds we keep track of that we keep track of whose
tracks are you know from beginning middle and end and we praise people for
for that kind of execution right and I think that's something that's missing in
the web 3 vacuum of drops and like RSS feed relationships is that is that
interaction or that stereoscopy of of interaction and you know it's hard to
argue that ecstasy didn't have some some say in that and that stereoscopy of
culture with both the music and the relationships you know that we couldn't
benefit from now in the post COVID world so and I'm not advocating everyone
goes and just like takes ecstasy for no reason but it's definitely an important
part of I think all of the major music movements of of modern era I mean eat
down to jazz with weed to say all of these things have relevance and
hopefully they're not completely lost in the metaverse yeah I feel you there
and I totally agree 100% like all obviously I think almost all my top top
notch musical experience euphoria took place under the influence of some drugs
no question I mean I've had I had some really synchronous moments when like we
used to I we used to do Bonnar my b-boy crew used to perform at Bonnar every year
for a long time and we'd go to other other parts of the event go see other
acts like outside of our performance part and try Paul Quest played and it
was like we got in this weird it was like everybody eat a bunch of mushrooms
and then it was like everyone in the crowd we were kind of plunked down on the
stands floor in the middle of a crowd like this little platform and everything
just went into like the full mesh mode where like no one was talking but
everyone was having these really long enriching conversations with each other
through their eyes through their like body language through the synchronicity
of experiencing the music and accenting bringing out different parts of the
music in in the dance right as like a second third type language and
interaction going on just not only just like meeting eyes eye contact with people
and and that kind of stuff that you just get subconsciously like that that to
me is like an integral to creating the everlasting commitment to music to
understanding like why it is that it's like so fundamental so fundamentally human
like I even saw an article I think it was yesterday I was talking about how
dogs wagging their tails was actually an evolutionary product of canines
recognizing that humans like beats like they like rhythm they like the rhythmic
pattern right so if a dog could wag its tail and keep that sort of like like a
metronome right that they get your attention so I mean it's like a deep it's
you can't you know VR won't be able to I don't think it you know I don't want to
like keep laying technology over everything and make it seem like technology is
gonna save us there's gonna bring these more euphoric experiences than you would
have you know then a then a proto human might have without you know it's
on headwear whatever like you know I know that that is the fundamental to human
connection so that that that that'll be there the substances the chemicals the
different things that will be shared you know amongst all the the
psychedelic pioneers and stuff who are ready to take on that journey like I
think it'll still be there it will definitely the even COVID proved like
how you know how necessary it is for us to all sort of like come together and have
our little like dance around the campfire and and like we'd actually put
all all of ourselves at risk you know and everything that we cherish everything
even some basic tenants of the way society works at risk just to get
together and dance it out you know with some beats so so yeah I don't there's I
think all the good there is no really good American at least in American
musical form that didn't come from a drug drug use and it's heavy influence on
on the scene the culture of the people making music and the people experiencing
it I think what your point about dogs with the tail is a great one I mean I
would definitely if so if I said to an animal that was walking by hey hey put
you know come here it came up to me like I would be like yeah you know like that
dog is a part of the masses I mean just gotta feed him he's a good boy no yeah for
real man but um I totally agree because like but we're also like okay well
somewhere you know sound is a drug in the sense like it's it affects our brains
and our minds and stuff right so like there's that one aspect and like you
know these headphones are crazy and like we're in a time where now all of that
experimentation has moved into like research right and there's like you know
things of like micro dosing and and different things like this where you're
activating those like parts of your mind and then you know you can use sound
and meditation and that kind of thing to enhance those experiences and you know
I am a strong believer that you know sound and music is all is all medicine
and when you're you know when you hit that that you know that drum and bass
clip right there and it lights you up and you get that feeling that feeling is
the medicine so like you're you found it you know with drum and bass and like we
all find that with the different music that we like and we're all like treating
ourselves and self-medicating you know for better or worse like you know but I
think music is one of those things that it's it's really like that you know and
it's hard to imagine a world without sound but it's also we're living in a
world where sound is gonna be more chaotic and we're not gonna have more
control of it as things go on so having a you know a clean sound space or like
even moments where like you can dive into some music and like that's what
you're hearing that's all you're hearing you're not hearing you know the
buzz of society and all the noise out there like right now I think that
actually is an effective drug for the world that we live in you know and if
you know the if these are all like things like I definitely come from a long
I know family that have you know been involved in experimenting with art
psychedelics and all sorts of stuff and you know they wrote a book it's called
Be Here Now which that book is you know people really love that book but
that book wouldn't be here now without all of that experimentation you know
exactly the way it happened so yeah I still remember my art school teacher
who introduced me to that book and she was such she was she was kind of she
was kind of crunchy she was not that she didn't have like she wasn't like the most
like hey I can draw anything I see type but just like just ooze artists like
just had that artist vibe like everything that she did she was accomplished she had
her own thing but that was one but when I remember reading that book and just
being like got it loved it loved the 70s style illustrations just like just totally
could grew with those like the black and white on newsprint printing you know it
had this total throwback he like this was off some Grateful Dead school bus you
know hippies schoolie you know printing press that was made you know it was a
zine for five years before you know it got made into like a real book but
fundamentally it just even has like a creative you know moment for like
breakthrough for students who get who can get preoccupied again with sort of
like the final output and like lose sight of like the journey and the
process of like you know every single moment and minute and and like not
worrying about the the doubt essentially it's just like it's a lot of
doubt it's a lot of like doubt about it like this gonna work that can work you
know that that kind of stuff and you know learning to fail and and have the
wins and appreciate all all the ups and downs along the way hell yeah before we
before everything kicks in you know and we really get into it I just wanted to
give a shout out to the room there's a bunch of awesome people here and just
kind of like also tell them what we're doing because we're here in this space
but you're also live on Twitch which I've got pulled up now and you're you're
drawing this crazy arm that we started to explain and talk about which is the
sun sound trait so just so people know like we're also on Twitch where you can
actually see that and we all wish that you know Twitter had better media serving
options here for these spaces but yeah you kind of have to run two apps to get
the full experience on here but big shout out to everybody I mean everybody
you know for real like yeah this is a cool moment and if anybody has any
questions like please come up and ask them or join in a conversation with us
we're trying not to distract Crow too much but also influence him as much as
we can to go bonkers for the NFT record shop trade so yeah oh and what is it like
retweet the room something like that yeah I've heard yes sweetie again I love the
love the prelude to the conversation welcome everyone see a lot of great
people down there a lot of new faces so yeah welcome to everything able just said
see guys jumping on the twitch right now great love it yeah we use these spaces
for two things one to highlight our community and different partners that we
appreciate and then also people support us along the way such as the soul bound
you know who you are you are those people but we also use the soul
you know my favorite current soulbound person is Devin who's that restrictions
apply Funkin Kyle yeah do you guys like tech if you like tech DM if okay so this
is an open offer to anyone in the audience because we didn't do this
earlier I saw your DM Kyle so if you like tech if you like the tech if you
are in this space for the tech DM Kyle now do it thank you thank you flew
thank you Kyle we use the space for three things we use it for that we use
it for our admin traits and we use it to highlight people like able like Nate
like Luna if you want to jump up on stage and all the amazing people we've
we've talked to you before so I know you guys have already talked a lot but
for anyone who's hopefully no one isn't but if there's anyone who is not
familiar with the NFT record shop Nate able do you guys want to give them a
gist of what you guys are doing and kind of start from you know square one
there well I'll just say we're mostly trying to have a good time it's
mostly just a lot of drugs and talking about that's what it felt like yeah so
these are NFTs and you combine them and you take them and you burn them and yeah
and then you go enjoy this no it's uh no it doesn't have anything to do with
that has everything to do with trying to make Nate become a DJ you know and like
pour the Kool-Aid down his throat if necessary which doesn't really seem like
it's that necessary but ultimately if people are really interested in what
we're doing that's our motive is to you know convert Nate into a full DJ but he's
really resistant to it so what ends up happening is we talk a lot about music
and we deep dive into everything and we pull up all the best music we can and
what we're making and we share what we like and you know a lot of people come
through and share that we also talk about tech which you know I think Funkin Kyle
you would like that it's it's pretty good we get into tech and then you know we
we basically do that as long as we can every Tuesday and Friday at 2 p.m. EST
time until Nate can't take it anymore and he has to go and like try to do
something on his new DJ decks which he didn't have in the beginning so I'd
say that our successful rate we're about 50% we had a hundred over a hundred
episodes now you know and so we're looking for ways to really make this
sustainable and keep this going so that you know not only Nate but other people
who want to become DJs can actually become DJs but I think that that's you
know the best I can explain it with like and somehow this trait is gonna
help in the aiding of this whole operation but Nate you can correct me on
anything or should I read them the white paper do you have a medium article link
you can send me wait a minute wait a minute we have a white paper that's
awesome I should read it to you probably send me a link well we don't read we
like tech that's yeah two different things it's an audiobook oh yeah yeah yeah
sorry I had my DMS close to people that are verified thank you Elon I reopened my
emails or messages to everyone so try that again good luck
if you like tech remember that's why we're all here
DM excuse me sir I'm only here to make a bag Abel I bought your your your music NFT your whole
album in order to make a bag some somehow I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna fucking I'm
gonna flip that shit I'm why don't you just release that music NFT shit on
Spotify Abel why don't you just do that fucking hater person if you buy two
albums I might consider it probably maybe I'm sure that's a great point all
right I'll be right back and actually I'm not sure if any of my links are
working so people could go there and check and tell me if they are you know
just check all my links that would be awesome
I'll be like links with the flip do you like links no links we don't allow links
here Nate are you with us or did we are you DJing see this is what happens it's
you actually caught me I was not even joking messing around with mixing
Hall and Oates with the no you have to let's hear it right like now you have to
let us hear it dude I love all notes anything you know they're in a bitter
bitter like it fight over their music right now though sadly like the hall is
not down so it's right now like they're totally like just add to just his
fights almost it doesn't mean they can't react properly I'm just saying and it's
not like a comeback setup kind of thing that's gonna be what happens with me and
Devin one day with song I'm just gonna fight over it for no reason for like
publicity fine fine here's a little bit
That's enough lab bullshit, but honestly, I was trying to steal the hall and I would say
Keanu, Lupa, and get it to mix right.
That's called exercising your license as a DJ.
Yeah, I was going to pay Hall and then Oats was a real prick, so neither one of them is getting me shit now.
Like, you should do like a... No, never mind. No one ever listens to me if I say you should do it.
But what might be interesting to me could be, like, if you did like a one mix where it's like, you know,
you've got Hall on here talking and trash, and then you've got another mix where you're like cutting in Oats over here,
you know, talking trash to Hall and like do like like a DJ like battle, you know, wrap off,
but like somehow use Hall and Oats samples to pull that off.
I mean, that I would be like, I'd be like, how did that even happen?
I don't even know that's possible, so don't try it.
It is possible. It is possible.
Crypto Bubble or Lil Bubble did that recently with the I think one of the Eminem parodies that he made.
He used A.I. to do the voice, but he wrote all the lyrics himself and he performed the vocal stem himself
and then applied the A.I. filter over that.
So like it was all performance, but it was like assisted by A.I., which is why I scream internally and throw things at the wall
any time that any of my friends on Facebook are like, A.I. is killing art.
I'm like, no, you're just fucking stupid.
Probably not the most fair take in the world, but I don't give fair takes.
I give hot takes. So there we go.
We got Kane Mayfield up on stage. What the fuck is that? That was the best goddamn bait I have ever thrown out there in the fucking water.
Yeah, I'm not going to say another word.
You know, what's up, Kane?
I mean, I'm just here because he said I have a wrap off between Hall and Oats or a wrap off.
I almost threw my phone. It's more or less a dance battle.
Dance battles better. I'll take a dance battle.
No, but see, I think I was I was trying to use the right terminology with Hall and Oats. It's a wrap off.
I don't have a lot of battles, man. I don't have a lot of battles.
I don't want to throw my phone.
I want to turn off this phone and go play Oculus because obviously tonight's foolishness.
Are you taking your cape off right now? This is not good.
Oh, no, I'm fine. I only do that in places where I feel like I shouldn't be.
Hey, Ken, do you like tech?
Well, it's yeah, my girl has tits.
I'm not big on polygamy, though. If you're trying to hit that, I can't. I can't abide.
Tech like the rapper or are you saying technology?
No, no, not like tech nine, sir. And we already made that joke in the last space.
Do you like tech? Do you like technology?
Well, yeah, I'm not a lead. I fucking got a big TV, a nice phone, computers and shit like.
How many how many son where do you own at this time?
Congratulations. What's happening?
I'm going to give you one pair of Luna care, little Chrome somewhere.
DM me, sir. I am following you. Congratulations.
Look at all of my timeline. It's all about the song.
Where all I got to do is give you a discount code on the website and you claim them and you pay one dollar in shipping.
And it's all yours. I don't even need your address.
I just give you the discount code. Good to go. Let's go.
Congratulations. Boom. We got our first tech lover in the house.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
You know, thank you. Thank you.
You know, Jay Lee told me about about sound sound.
I'm saying right. Sounds down here.
She told me about it like last year.
Well, I've been in the rules before sound sound and and it is the one guy who's very passionate.
He's very he's about that shit like this.
I don't really care if I agree with niggas or not.
As long as you believe in your shit, like you're really about the thing you say you're about.
And I like it. I'll at least I'm open to it because people with you.
Yeah, you're very passionate. I am passionate about it.
And anyone who's not passionate about it is fucking wrong or they just don't know enough about it yet.
See that like that. That right there.
That shit. That's that's the shit I be hearing.
And I go, you know what? I like those.
It's just that whenever there's spaces, I'm usually doing something.
So I'm supposed to DM what?
Frunk and Kyle. Yeah. Yeah. I send you a DM.
I'm gonna pull up this discount code real quick.
Send it to you. I'll get you.
I can have Devin send you the Lunar Chrome link.
Yeah. Yeah. I have safe ways to navigate that. That's fine.
Yes. So you just got to go to their website, go to the Lunar Chrome.
I'll give you a discord at it or a discount.
Add it to your cart. Apply the discount code.
Good to go. Devin, that should work, right?
Yeah, that's a work. Yeah.
You're just going to get a claim when you go to our website.
Sounds cool. I'll do that tonight. I've heard good things.
Kyle, that's very, very nice of you.
You stepped in a pile of good shit, right?
Yeah. It took me like three spaces to get somebody to say I like tech.
So like this is a big moment.
Of course I like. But this is fucking crypto. Who's going to say no?
It's just, it's like kind of a meme at this point.
Because I don't know if I believe a lot of people are here for tech.
But obviously some of us are. So I've been trying to get people to say it.
I was like, you know what?
I'm going to give the first motherfucker that says they like tech a free pair of software.
Yeah. I mean, I'm not, I'm not good at it, but I like it.
That's okay. This tech is made for just plugging and play, you know what I mean?
Bluetooth. It's pretty, it's pretty nice.
That's good. I like, there's only one pair of earbuds I've ever really liked, liked, liked.
So I'm looking forward to these.
You usually wear over the ear headphones. Is that your, is that what you prefer?
I mean, if I'm doing something, like if I'm listening to music and I really want to listen to it,
or I'm writing or recording, I use the same pair of Sennheisers that I've been using for years.
Like I, I'll, they've broken and I've bought them again.
I use the same pair of Sennheiser. Yeah. The 280 Pros.
But there's a difference in the ones I just got.
These ones look a little bit more spacely sprocket modular than the other ones I had.
But I'm going to get another pair of those because I just like them.
The earbuds, I have the Samsung ear ones.
The Gen 1 Samsung earbuds. They're the only ones, because they made other ones, like nicer ones.
But the Gen 1s, you could download music to them, like save music on the earbuds and play them with no phone.
Like from running and stuff.
Well, I don't partake in such a sinful behavior. But yeah, if I did, yeah, that'd be great.
If you had to, then you would have your music with you.
Well, if I'm running, I'm running from something and I want to have my sensory perception for footsteps and shit behind me or whatever I'm getting chased by.
But yeah, if I was running and I wanted the thematicness of a movie to put the Rambo soundtrack onto something,
you know, just so I could do my John Woo shit with the with the cool.
We're taking this too far already. I don't do that. But if I get nice, I think that I think you're really going to like these games because I've used those same headphones.
The Sennheiser 280 Pros in the studio and for my intimate sessions of listening to music and stuff on headphones for years, too.
And I don't give things up easily, you know, and I'm not somebody who just, oh, yeah, the next thing is the best thing, you know,
especially with speakers and sound. So, you know, it is like you got to hear it to know it.
But, you know, I I'm been using these software for for a ton of stuff because that's basically because they are Bluetooth.
So I don't have to. You know, I can just like now have these like cool listening sessions in my bed.
You know, not that it matters because, you know, free headphones, free headphones.
Now, I'm curious because your your endorsement matters. Not that, you know, hey, guys, he's a big swinging dick around here.
Get him to say nice things about it. But I'm saying like I'm I have a tinier, like a notorious one able.
The reason I have in this room just for the record. Oh, well, well, yeah, big flop and hog.
I'm just saying that I have a really terrible ear.
The reason I have Sennheiser's is because I bought a pair of beats and my engineer cursed me out and set a mile out to bring him to the studio no more.
So, Cain, this is this is this is what because I know you I know you are connoisseur of music.
I know you've been in this space for a long time. So one of the big cell and able back me up here is our lead audio engineer,
the man who created our product was the lead audio engineer for Beats by Dre, right?
So he created just everything start to finish the whole thing.
So he would say the same thing to you as your producer as the guy in the city would say.
He would say, get those Apple iPods, get those things, get those things out of here.
Like he's past the beats because he made the beats.
And now this is where he's at because it wasn't his vision. It wasn't his vision.
That's the thing. Like, like it was it was Dre's vision. It was Dre's like style.
It was the artist. And so like the the whole thing that this used to start on, we used to start on.
And I wish that we'd kind of go back to a little bit, Devin, write this down.
But like the thing that that record this space, DL, DL said a long time ago was that like I've made audio hardware for Diddy, for Gaga and for Dre.
And now I want to make audio hardware for all artists.
And I want all artists to be able to make the audio hardware their own.
And I think that that's still like one of the most powerful messages that he's ever said. So.
Don't y'all have an NFT attached to these headphones? Isn't that like a thing?
And then you do a thing and then you un, you un-whosey it and then you soul bind it to your what's it.
And then when you un un-mortify it and then you get it, you get it translated.
Actually, you nailed it. Yeah, but he did. You did really well.
I'm impressed. I pay a little bit of attention to stuff.
Well, you're you're music people and I don't dislike you. So that's that's that's that's that's something.
Right. So you're music people. And I know that there's a music people that daily like times during this space that you don't dislike me.
To the point where it's like suspiciously like you actually do just like me.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's no believe me. I don't really have much subterfuge.
I don't do subtext or passive aggression. I'm very much one. I am as you see.
There's no hidden shit with me. I'll just be very I'm very direct.
I'll go. Hey, who's that? Y'all like that guy. That guy sucks.
Yeah, I got the dick. He doesn't really like nicely.
You know what I mean? Like he's not a nice liker.
Yeah. So like he's just but but yeah, I mean, this is my life. Yeah. So he's saying, okay, you know, he's setting the stage here. Okay.
So that's the basis. Daily said nice things about you guys.
I just never took the time. So now I wish I did because I feel guilty for taking that.
I feel kind of shitty because I don't hang out here very much just to come in and get some free headphones.
It seems a little I don't know. I feel like a mooch. You know, anybody wants that from the gas station?
Bro, here's actually I do. I like it. Dr. Pepper and my babe, would you like a strawberry pant or a grape?
Actually, I was like a Red Bull. Okay, Red Bull.
You want one of the fancy Red Bull flavors because they have some new papaya citrus. That's quite delicious.
I think that's an old school Red Bull personally.
Traditional. Okay, I got you. Not a problem. See, now we're even steaming. I feel better about this.
We're good. We're good. But about that, like Kyle has been on a kick of like, and it's very encouraging.
And we are we are encouraging it. We don't really do we don't really do sponsorships giveaways, nothing like that.
We're running pretty lean and everything.
And so whenever we do giveaways, typically it's out of our own pockets or if it's if it's just like community members that are doing it.
And so Kyle has been giving away units that he personally purchased fairly off the market.
And he's been doing that to get this tech into people's ears and to show them like what we're all about,
because he's confident that as they do that, as they discover that they'll you know what,
why the fuck am I speaking for another grown ass man? Kyle, are you drunk?
No, I'm sober tonight. Okay, then, yeah, he can speak for himself.
Hey, Kyle, let me ask you something. If I was not a person who was getting free headphones and I said, yo,
this sounds fucking great. I want to go procure myself some headphones. Roughly how much would that cost me?
Right now, that is a definite question, I think.
Oh, no, there's two ways to do it. You can go on OpenSea and you could get there's a bunch of different colorways.
I could pop over there right now, but I think it's around, you know, yeah, you got pink, yellow, blue for about, what is that, 170?
All right, that works for me. Yo, Kyle, give me a favor. Do you, are you a person who enjoys fine Bitcoin assets?
Oh, man, I love all assets in the digital fashion. I'm a big tech guy, you know what I mean?
Yeah, I remember you mentioned that. Do you have a free wallet?
I don't know if I have that.
All right, so that's fine. So don't get one then. Do me a favor. Send me your ETH address,
and as soon as I'm done, I should have vaults up and running in the next couple of days.
I have an album. I made an album infused, so I have a Bitcoin infused album.
I put it on Bitcoin, because that's where I, you know, that's where fine Bitcoin products should go.
However, I have the ability to move stuff from Bitcoin to ETH without copymenting.
So when I do that, what I'm going to do is, I'm going to give you one.
Okay, love this. I love this.
And then you can listen to a Bitcoin infused album on ETH in your wallet. How's that sound?
In my songware. That sounds amazing.
Yeah, listen to it in your fancy headphones.
Yep. I'm about to send this discount to you, and then I'll drop my ETH address.
Perfect. I feel a lot better about this now.
I do want to point out, though, that he's not giving you the ones that you can find on Open C4.
He's actually giving you like a Soulbound exclusive,
something that only the people that were around whenever it was really complicated actually got access to.
I think the floor on that one's actually closer, like 0.1.
So, absolutely, I think that he will love the gift that you're making in exchange, bro.
I really appreciate it. I knew, and I was so happy whenever you came up on stage,
because I knew that I was going to try to get you to say that you like tech,
because that's the only rule of Kyle and I's little game.
So I'm very, very happy for you coming up here, bro.
And I think you really will be impressed.
And I mean, clearly, if you ever want, I know that you do content and everything sometimes.
If you ever want to speak to David Long, dude, we will arrange whatever you need.
And I know that you're friends with Abel.
Abel works with DL and Kaku and everyone all the time.
So, yeah, man, just anything that we can do to help you out.
Devon, would you like to talk to him about what's going on tonight?
And I'd love to offer him the same thing.
Yeah, I'm going to reset the room here and then do that right now.
If you're not over on Twitch.tv slash SoundSound3, the thing is pinned up top,
the thing that is in the title of the space, please jump over there,
because you've got Crow Magnus live illustrating an avatar partner trait.
The partner in question tonight is the NFT record shop.
We got Abel up here. We got Nate up here.
We've been spotlighting them a little bit tonight, learning about their journey,
So if you are new to the ecosystem, what is an avatar partner trait?
They're a very important part of our entire ecosystem.
Do you have the soundware on one side? Do you have the avatars on the other side?
They come together in our mobile app and audio mining, some other stuff
that's coming down the road.
Essentially, you'll be able to earn, level up your avatar,
unlock a bunch of cool stuff.
But these traits, our avatars are Ethereum assets,
but you can also swap accessories on them.
So we use a standard, a hybrid standard of the ERC 6551.
If you've heard of that, if you're not into tech,
all you need to know is that you can swap trades without gas on Ethereum.
And when you wear a certain trait, it unlocks certain things for you
So that's what's going on here.
We're building it now, and the news about what it unlocks
comes later down the road.
And then you can choose to support the record shop
or anyone else who has a trait.
So kind of like how Quantum had their fucking blazed cats
and the island boys thing, where I can go on an open sea,
change t-shirts, change this, freeze the metadata,
do all that stuff, and it doesn't cost me anything.
You guys have a similar style, who's it?
So it's a tad different than that because our avatars
are actually themselves, they can own assets.
So when you sell the avatar, the assets that it has go with it.
Same if you could put ETH into that avatar's wallet,
technically, and that would go with it.
So this is a little tad above that.
Oh, that's an extra step. That's pretty cool.
Yeah, yeah. So we're excited.
But no, you nailed it on the head.
That's exactly the user experience you're going to get.
Hey, so this sounds cool, not to be a jumpy gunner,
but you guys busy tomorrow night?
No, I'm around. Flew you around? Crow you around?
I have a show that I've been doing since July of 21.
It's called Public School.
And we've had, I mean, a lot of people have come through.
So duck down records, unstoppable domains,
like mad people, mad people have come through.
Wait, wait, who from unstoppable?
Because I shared a stage with them once.
I forget his name, but he was nice.
He gave everybody some free money.
That's cool. Yeah, all right, cool.
But come through, it's in Discord.
Their Discord is literally discord.gg forward slash NFT.
They got that one right there.
They're an old community,
but that's kind of like where my origin story in crypto
and web three starts is public school.
So it's eight o'clock Eastern.
I can send you guys the link to join the Discord
and we can do, and honestly,
we have a very frank informal discussion among a very,
let's just say a more seasoned crypto community.
There's not a lot of like no pointers and shit like that.
Everyone who comes through public school for the most part
is a token smart person and they're,
like that's where I know Jay Lee from.
She's Wildcrate, Lindsay.
That's where I know Lindsay from.
Lindsay with a motherfucking E.
Yeah, that's who told me about you guys.
Yeah, well, I have to page her.
Paging Lindsay with a fucking E.
Yeah, Paging Lindsay with a motherfucking E.
Yeah, Abel, Lindsay's been a big part of your guys' community
this is the record shops on sound trait session right here.
What we're doing is we're creating right now
a trait for the NFT aspect of this on sound collection
that is, you know, the record shop trait.
And so, you know, that's what we're doing right now.
I mean, on Twitch, if you go live, you can see,
I posted a couple of screenshots down in the bottom.
And so Crow is drawing what we were describing as a big,
what is it, like a robot arm?
Yes, like a Mega Man arm with a stylus hand.
So that's going to be, you know,
an additional trait that you can add to the Avatar,
which is a super duper complex thing that's also really awesome
because it's, you know, tech.
And if you love tech, you're going to love that kind of stuff.
So yeah, I mean, so this is perfect, you know, Kane,
because like, you know, Kane, you showed me a lot about NFTs
and we met, I think, you know, messing around on Tezos
You know, you were one of the first people
that I actually talked to on the phone
because I was like, you know what,
this is a guy I can actually speak to.
And it turns out that we, you know,
have a lot of the same, I don't know what you'd call it.
Just, you know, we've been around the same places, you know,
with my buddy and FedEx and Baltimore
and all of those different things over the years, you know.
And I think that that's something that's a common thread here.
And so like, we're trying to bake that in to this trait, you know,
because if there's, you know, how else can we do it?
Which by the way, Crow, that looks dope.
I love that hat on there too.
It's got a really nice comic kind of feel to it.
But yeah, so like, you know, it's a surprise.
Hey, but, you know, this is the way it goes.
I mean, this isn't scripted any more than, you know,
us just wanting to do this.
So, you know, if anybody else wants to come up and join
and talk with us and chat and tell a story from the record shop
or I don't know, whatever, but, you know,
what you're saying about public school, that would be awesome.
You know, making these connections where like, I mean,
it's really kind of you to not even have heard these headphones yet,
but also like, you know, reach, be like, okay,
you want to come into my community and check out, you know,
because what you're doing is really powerful and it's solid,
you know, and you guys do that all the time.
And of course you can handle anything,
but it's not like you just go around offering, hey,
why don't you come up on my show on Tuesday and Friday, you know,
which we do all the time for the NFL record shop.
We're just a trash show that it features anybody.
But, you know, for your show, you know,
I just love that all this is happening because these are the people
that I like to hang out with.
We're all connected through music in some different way.
It means a lot to us in our lives.
And, you know, these headphones, like once you hear them,
like the sound that you hear, you're going to be like, okay, yeah.
So I'm very curious about your tenure and the effect of this.
You know, it's like, it'll be funny.
It'll be like now all of a sudden you're the connoisseur mixer
and producer and you're like, yeah,
I don't need you anymore.
You're a studio engineer.
My hypocrisy has to at least have some level.
If that happened, that would be it.
So listen, I'm on the website.
Well, since claim step two, right?
That's where I got to be.
I was having a hard time with that.
So you just click the claim part, just like the above part.
It should show you like a bunch of NFT images.
Thirty three thousand dollars.
You got a credit card that has a high limit on it.
It's a lunar chrome ones.
Click on that out of the cart and then hit claims on where it's
going to bring up a little wallet.
That's just going to read.
He doesn't need to do that though.
And then apply the discount at checkout.
Well, that's so much easier than.
Do people really not like tech?
Is that a thing or is that like a thing?
I think people are scared to admit it.
That they're here for the money.
I think it's just kind of funny when you like you bring it up and
nobody cared about my reps.
I remember no, nobody cared about my reps at all.
Because of tech, not because of my reps being better.
This shit ain't coal mine.
A lot of persistent work.
But yeah, I mean, tech is, uh, has been, you know, good for music.
It's gotten a lot better.
Um, let's not talk about how bad it was, but, um, grog, grog, grog,
I'm actually been sitting here enjoying the conversation.
Um, I heard free headphones, uh, earlier that really got my attention.
So I mean, you know, man, I'm a music and a tech guy, man.
How far does this go, Kyle?
No, but all jokes aside, this is so cool, man.
I'm talking here on X on the phone.
Who's actually doing that drawing?
The hat was cool with the brim.
Put that hat back on, man.
He looks better with the hat.
You've got some dope ass traits, man.
Like when people are looking at it, you should do a little flip
through for them because it's incredible.
And you got the bucket hat.
Grande, once you pick one, I mean, I'm not to make you work, but
that bucket hat, that bucket hat is cooler than the brim hat.
But the brim hat, I was just that power hand right there.
What about the shift or like the, uh, you know, the fucking
That's the, uh, oh, there you go.
That's the, uh, what was, uh, Public Enemy's, uh, army?
Oh, yeah, that's kind of tight, too.
So, I mean, are these NFTs?
Uh, this is a song, the song Avatar collection.
This is our, uh, second collection.
Uh, you can mint them currently.
Um, they haven't revealed yet.
And I'm the artist, the main artist.
And, uh, the last three or four months or so, we've been
I'm sharing all these work in progress of the art as we build
And community members from Saw and Sound have been working
with me in Twitter spaces like tonight.
Uh, we have the NFT record shop, um, to create like
community source, uh, traits.
So, they basically came up with this idea for this mega man,
sort of like cyborg arm with a, you know, a record
stylist, uh, needle head.
And so, over the last hour or so, just built it out.
And when we actually mint, when our new website is ready
and we are ready to launch this all out, um, you'll be able
to equip your avatar, uh, with this trait.
Oh, it's a fucking vinyl needle.
Yeah, I just noticed it myself too.
That's the weight on the back of the, the tone arm.
I also heard somebody mentioned something about Discord.
Can you guys, you know, I know we're chilling, but can
somebody post some links so we can get down and get involved?
I think the two, the two Discords that were mentioned,
we have, uh, Saw and Sound, uh, sorry, that's, uh, well,
I'm going to jump forward.
We have a discord.gg slash NFT was the one Kane mentioned.
Um, that's tomorrow night.
You said at 8 p.m. Eastern.
I'm sending the link now to the sound sound account.
If it lets you want me to send it somewhere else.
I was going to have you, um, I'm going to post it up on the,
uh, yeah, I got to make a, I got to make a flyer.
So I got to go to your site and steal a bunch of your
If you could just someone send me a DM of like, who's talking so I can
push your Twitters on the, on the watch him a dealie.
And then that way people know it's you.
And then we'll have a lovely conversation.
I'll make the flyer tonight,
which is going to make dragon eight very happy because he never gets
the flyer until like an hour before the show.
I think that'll be a fluter Chris up here.
We'll be taking lead and we'll see who else on the team could jump in.
I'm trying not to interrupt Jay watching murder.
She wrote, which, you know,
it's very important to her because she is 85 on the inside and I
didn't have her any other way.
What I was going to offer is Kane,
a partner trait of his own.
Now that he kind of understands the, the thing,
can you, can you, uh, I guess that we could get,
can you send them that link to sign up for a, for a time eventually?
Cause I know that Kane, one,
one thing that, um, that we don't talk about that much,
but I think that maybe we should talk about more is that eventually
we're going to be able to have artists releasing music through these
sort of partner traits and within our own platform.
Um, and so we'd love to, uh, cause the, the way that the,
I'm going to shit around on this.
So, um, the way that this actually works is that whenever we do a
partner trait for someone or a soulbound trait for someone,
someone who's here from the beginning, um,
the initial mint fee is decided by the person.
So like Abel has his, uh, Kyle has his initial mint fee is decided by
that person and the supplies decided by that person.
So it's like having your own little NFT collection,
but it's an NFT collection where the art was done by Cro Magnus, uh,
Mr. Yuga artist, Cro Magnus, right? The, the accolades just pour in.
And, um, you, you get 75% of the, of the mint fee and then he gets the
other 25% of the mint fee.
So splitting it where it should be between the artists and the artists.
that kind of coincides with how we're doing our platform,
which is where half of the benefit goes to the artists and then half the
benefits go to the fans of the artist. Um,
So let me meet you in the middle.
Uh, one I'm, I'm interested not because of anything other than you guys
are nice people, people that I respect say nice things about you,
which, you know, Lindsay doesn't say nice shit about people unless she
really means, you know, she's, that's true. Wow.
She's wild crazy. So she's not easy to wrangle cause she's, she's Lindsay.
Um, and Natalie says nice things about you guys, which I think, you know,
Natalie's opinion is, is paramount in my world.
So I'm starting a music collection,
which on Bitcoin is called the collection in other places.
It's like I'm starting a business,
but the problem is the business is so artist centric that artists,
you know, don't really, I don't really make money off other people.
So I'll just make money off my things.
I would like to put you guys on there somehow there's, there's a,
there's a way for us to do something together.
If it's a thing you just said, that sounds awesome.
Um, I like releasing short run shit.
We don't have anything on BTC yet. Um, I'd love to.
Yeah. So like, absolutely.
And I will also, I'll send you my Calendly done.
Also, I would love to have someone like you shouting and raving about things
that I do because you're, you, you get shouty, makes me happy.
Dude. I can't shout for myself because it's, you know,
if anyone, if anyone ever, if anyone in here,
this is not just not for to UK and this is not for everyone in this room.
If anyone in here has ever built anything programmed, anything written,
anything drawn, anything, saying anything, I don't give a fuck.
You tell me about it. I will shout about it for you.
So no problem there. Um, I'll send you my Calendly.
No problem. We, uh, we turned Bitcoin into a sound sample,
that sound and laced it through 10 records and then put that record on
Yeah. So now we're starting.
I tried to describe this to Devin the other day and this fucking wet behind
the ears, young motherfucker didn't know what I meant.
You got to know what a joke is, man.
So you were fucking with me because that was good.
Jay was disappointed in you.
Like we had a whole thing.
What are you talking about?
He never heard a danger mouse.
What are you laughing about?
And he was like, what's win amp?
And I just hung up the phone.
That's what you're listening in the next 10 years.
That conversation will be real.
But I was confused too with that.
So Devin, you do know what winning.
Yes. And when we talked about that flu a while ago,
when, when did web three?
Cause I, I tried to get in touch with them.
I actually ended up getting in touch with them and then they ghosted me.
What's the, what's the, it really kicks the llama's ass or whatever.
It really whips the llama's ass.
And I think that's where one of his all time like goals is to do win amp on
Bitcoin, where like all of the music is stored on Bitcoin, all of the code for
everything is done on Bitcoin.
Kind of like what they're doing right now with like the S and the ass
emulators over there and stuff to where you have like the recursive ordinals
that lead, that create code and everything stored, you know, whatever.
And so it's an interesting one.
Is that ever going to tie into son?
Probably at some point, just not in any official manner because you know, taxes.
The thing about putting stuff on stuff is the way we figured out how to do it.
Well, one, I couldn't tell you that's why Rad likes me because he can do
whatever he wants and he knows that I have no way of explaining it to anyone
because I don't actually ask him how the flux capacitates.
That's not, I'm a business.
I make rap songs and pictures for said rap songs.
And then I talk and say words on the interwebs.
And then I host my show, which is a fake show because it's not, it's on
Discord, but I've been doing it for a while and people come through, but
it's just, I'm not Leno nigga.
Like I'm a regular person who says words and it's going to be fun.
This, this next iteration of the thing we're building is called Bitcoin
It's going to be a lot of fun.
And I might, my drop kind of got sidelined because the counterparty had
its own little, I guess, seven year bloodletting, which fucking coincided
right with my drop and then everything was thrown off.
So I'm waiting for stuff to come back on.
But once it does, everything's good.
But that being the case, I had to go scramble and look for other ways
And that led me to ordinals.
And in the midst of us figuring it out, we figured out how to put albums
on ordinals and not have it cost us 10 grand and 15 grand.
And the numbers were silly.
Like you put to put something reasonable on ordinals minimum.
You're spending 2,500 and that's after you, after you compress it to shit
and there's no guarantee you make your money back.
It's just throwing funds to the wind, hoping that someone sees value
in the thing that you did.
And it's not like you're making a sub 100,000 or a sub 1,000.
This is still 10, 15, 20 million like everything else is getting made.
So how do you make it different or special for the money you have to pay
for the opportunity to try?
And for musicians, that number, the entry point has to be low.
You know, musicians are one of the few disciplines in this space
we pay to create our art.
I can't just doodle some shit on my phone.
Like it takes money to make music.
And maybe it doesn't take a lot of money, but there is a capital investment
that will be spent somewhere, whether you're recording yourself.
That gear got to get bought.
Like something, you're not going to just do it all on your phone.
Like it has to get purchased somewhere.
There's an expense somewhere along the line, even if it's just software.
Someone's buying something.
I feel like we spend enough for a space that thinks that we have to give
them our royalties and cut them in on our streaming revenue
in order for us to have utility.
And that's another thing that I've liked about from y'all.
I watch from afar because, you know, there's a lot of shit I'm looking at.
There's actual people who are bad that I would rather focus my gun at,
but I'll look over and go, what are they doing?
And she'll go, you don't know them? They're really great.
You should come over because you know it's Lindsay.
And then I'll say, okay, Lindsay's crazy though.
Hey, Natalie, you know the headphones people?
Who signs up? Yeah, that's the homie.
And you know how Natalie talks.
And I go, okay, all right.
It looks like an NFT and a soul bound situation.
And then you do the thing and do the thing.
It's like they're covering their bases to make sure that no one comes in
and tries to gamify and take all their headphones.
I'll run into them eventually.
So this is a cool day to meet you guys.
And I'm happy that we're going to talk.
I'm going to send the link to the Who's It's Tomorrow.
Just so you know, I interview, you know, silly because I'm stupid.
It's like it's really fun.
My chat room is the co-host.
There are people who came through and did DeFi.
Well, look, people did DeFi talk.
And it was like the cure for insomnia.
When you bore them, they just start posting dick gifts in the chat.
Like, you know, as cool as this is going to be, like, be prepared.
You know, maybe don't look at the chat.
You know, maybe just listen to the chat.
No, I'm definitely looking at the chat.
I'm 100% looking at the chat.
And then you're like, oh, no.
Like, and then it's like, oh, God, what's going on?
Dude, if they post a dick that's under eight inches, I'm going to laugh at them and say how fucking small it is.
I'm going to be like, y'all can do it.
You come to public school and say that the dicks ain't big enough.
That's how you win the audience, because that'll make them happy.
If you tell them that the dicks gifts aren't big enough and they need the girthy length.
Yeah, that's that's that's sorry.
But let's be careful because we are making the record shops on sound trade.
So we want to be careful what like seeps in there, you know, spiritually.
So, you know, save this guy.
OK, sorry, you know, bottle this smaller dicks.
You know that tomorrow in public school where, you know, it'll run wild and be free.
But, you know, I I just, you know, I'm I'm I'm excited.
I want to invite more people to come up here and party with us.
You know, also, I want to remind people that there is something to look at, too.
You don't just have to listen to this conversation.
If you go to Twitch, which isn't even involved at all with this app,
it's a whole separate app. It's way better.
And you go over there and you can actually look at stuff and you see what Crow is creating here.
This crazy arm with his mask on there.
But yeah, I think if I don't know how to shift this.
So I'm just going to sort of give it back to sound.
But, you know, if you've got any more questions.
I mean, because I'm going to put a dick pic in the chat if you if this keeps going.
I like tech. I like tech. I like tech.
See, this is where it's it's it's going to get out of hand.
This is just the cable. You were part of the last space where it like devolved
because of your conversation on constitutionalism and tax evasion, right?
Yeah, like that start that shit up.
You were there. You were the you were the.
The like the logic that was a sponsored space.
I just want to no longer like tech.
If you don't mention your sponsored space and are not sponsored.
What are you talking about?
I was like, Oh my God, what's going to like, are you going to lose your
sponsorship or like what?
No, they don't even listen to this.
First, I was like, I want to be sponsored for spaces.
And I was like, no, I don't.
Yeah, I can hook you up with these people, but also it's not worth it.
I can tell you that much right now.
However, I do want to take a second because you did have a very good
Trolls, Bobby's son, hero space, rocks, racks, racks, whichever one it is.
Luna felons, Wayne, Gulch's Jared, Ray David, Dave G, drug music,
Hoddle pig and Bitcoin audio.
If any of y'all want to come up here and talk to Nate or able about
the NFT record shop, please come up and do so.
The Crow Magnus is accepting any and all invitations to be your request
And we would love to hear your thoughts on what you're seeing on your
If you are fortunate enough to have twitch.tv slash song sound
three pulled up in your browsers.
All ideated during this space and all illustrated during the
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Hey, we're coming up on the 20 minute mark here.
Crow is over on the East Coast.
So we're about to midnight.
But yeah, able Nate, you know, you guys got your account there.
I know you guys have been inviting people up on stage all
Again, please take them up on that.
We got 20 more minutes left to have some great discussion.
But we will also continue this.
I'm sure tomorrow able to show tomorrow with the NFT record
Yeah, we'll be back and let's continue it.
We won't, we won't have crow with us drawing sadly,
Talk about whatever we want at the record shop.
Yeah, we'll be is going to pull in all nighter.
No, I just let's let's just make sure that people know that
they can come up and chat with us.
And then let's get back to our party and and joking or
No, I'm super digging it, man.
This is really cool just to kind of like throw out ideas
and then see, you know, what you're creating and like,
you know, I know you're going to like now you're like even
starting to ask some like details and stuff like if you
have any questions for us before we do have to like close
the session because this could just go on forever.
And I like really respect, you know, your creative time
and like energy and stuff.
But if you have any more questions like for us on that,
but I know we'll probably be, you know, in contact or
And if there's any of the little details or anything,
you got something on top of your I like at the top of
I know you mentioned NFT record shop stickers.
So I was going to lay that out,
but I just didn't want to get into doing text right now.
But if there's any kind of details color specifics,
I'm like usually I just lay out some fill colors,
These were pulled from an actual Mega Man character to
just like remind me of the Mega Man vibes.
But yeah, any of that any of that type of stuff is
good feedback, good inspiration here.
I really liked when you said it was a while ago,
we were talking about like it being embossed,
you know, and like that texture.
And that's all like kind of detail and stuff.
But I think that that would be really cool to see that,
Like where that circle is on the top of like the arm is
a good spot for like a relief or a false like,
you know, metal stamping there or something.
That was sort of laid out for the the I was thinking of
it as a sticker, but that's good.
You said embossed that when you put a circle crop over it,
like Twitter would do right.
You sort of lose like the corners of the box.
So I try to keep all like the important details and stuff
So yeah, that little circle falls within that here.
And I'll just turn it on.
So you get you get the gist of what I'm saying.
My problem is that I made his arm.
His arm's a little stubby right now.
So I call him my little stubby.
So I need to make his arm a little bit longer.
So I'll fix that in post, but it's just a little adjustment.
I mean, I really like that one drawing you have.
I think it's like a whip or whatever in the server
where there's like a it's like his DJ hand kind of
perspective going out to you've got some.
Like cool what you do with your perspective and stuff.
So I wasn't, you know, I was like,
wasn't really thinking about that as much as,
you know, because I know you adjust things.
I've seen your process, like, you know,
how you like sketch it up and then sort of, you know,
ease it into like this crazy thing where it feels like it's
totally part of the, you know, whole thing.
You're talking about the board POV one, Abel,
where it looks like you're looking from across the faders.
Yeah, that should just go.
How was improperly labeled?
So it took me a second to find it again.
I'm trying to find the mixer trait here.
Maybe he could be holding up two pieces of vinyl,
like one hall of notes and one NAS.
Well, dude, hey man, don't give him all the alpha, bro.
I actually came from a real challenge.
I was talking to optic beats by optic from highlights.
And I said, give me three tracks.
I want to try to like do a weird mashup.
And he gave me NAS, it ain't hard to tell, MOP,
which, you know, two obvious ones I said,
but give me a third one that's a curve ball.
And the curve ball was like hall of notes, private eyes.
And the piano and the string is so dramatic,
but the time signatures are all sort of weird.
I was trying to stretch like MOPs beat,
but it's I don't know what the hell is wrong with it,
but I think it's on like a six,
like a six fucking bar or something stupid.
And when it builds up, it doesn't loop correctly.
So it's been driving me bonkers.
Nate, are you using stems yet?
I'm using the FLX 10 has like the new stem separation,
which is just out of control.
And not only can it do like stem seps like live,
you can do a stem ISO or you push it to like channel four
and now mid low and high become individual stem controls
for the volume of vocal instrument and drum.
if you shift click on any stem on an opposite side deck,
So if I'm playing like a track, like a hip hop track,
and then I just hold shift
and double tap the vocal stem button on the opposite side deck,
keep the time and provide that the faders in the middle,
and you don't have any effects on like channel two
or whichever one you threw it to.
If there's no effects on it,
you wouldn't be able to tell the difference,
but that opens it up so that you can already have like
all your effects waiting already like preset on that,
or you can have nothing set to it,
throw it over there, start scratching it.
And then when you want to resume the other track,
you just unmute the original stem on side A
and it picks up where it left off
because it doesn't really, you know, it, it, it sinks it,
but it plays it as a duplicate on the other side in real time.
And that's how Hall and Oates wrap off are made.
That's how the Hall and Oates showdown went.
Do you guys think that it's legal to have a pig
As long as it's not named Napoleon.
I think as long as you just tell people, don't worry,
Eventually you'll be fine.
Yeah, I was just thinking,
this isn't like the home of barbecue.
You can 100% have a pig as a pet in Fort Worth.
Because I just like, they're really smart
and I think they'd be better than a dog, honestly.
the people that I know that have them.
It couldn't, it couldn't fit under the fucking fence.
No, I'm not going to do a teacup, David.
If I'm going to get a hog, I'm going to get a hog, you know?
but I thought it'd be too hard to create it at night.
All right, those motherfuckers get really big.
Yeah, I just do like my friends did with like,
with the Shih Tzu, you know,
it's like, just jam its ass in that crate
and pretend like I love it.
Even though it's the thing I'm storing in my life,
you know, like people who put their pets in crates.
Joe, that ass in a prayer circle, yes.
But they love their pets.
That's why they store them in boxes,
like unused Christmas ornaments
and the rest of that stuff, right?
Do you remember the movie Indian in the cupboard, Nate?
Yeah, it's part of my heritage objects too,
that please call it the Washington Commanders in the cupboard.
Also, welcome to Ed Balloon.
Ed Balloon, you're coming on,
on either the best part of the space
or the best part of the space.
Remember that there's twitch.tv slash sound three
for the visual aspect of what's going on here.
There is a trait being live designed for NFT record shop
for your friends over there with Abel and Nate
present, representing the shop.
Actually, does Gragragrande.tes,
do they represent NFT record shop as well?
I hang out at the record shop.
I was about to say, I was like,
I've seen you in those spaces before, bro.
Yeah, I'm more than welcome.
Yeah, I met these guys right around the fall of last year.
I was just floating around rooms
and I was hanging out in a lot of NFT spaces
and it's just a bunch of artists,
like visual artists and I'm like,
I'm a music guy, I'm a producer.
All I want to do is music,
but through the magic of AI,
I'm able to make NFTs and put music NFTs out
and in my promotion, someone sent me a link
and that was probably one of the best things
I met Abel and Nate Luna down there
and a whole bunch of other people, Racks.
I believe she'd be in the room sometime
and it's just cool to like,
and like I said, I'm lucky enough
to have known what it was to go to a record shop.
Me and Abel always talk about,
you know, in New York area,
places that we used to go like,
Searching and Hunting Down Vinyl
and then it's funny that these guys have translated
that whole experience somehow in the Twitter space.
Like, we talk, we joke, we laugh,
listen, hang out, hear interesting music
and that's like all the things that I'm about, you know?
So yeah, I'm really happy to know the NFT record shop.
I was kind of disappointed.
It's funny, I have you guys on my Apple calendar
I showed up last week and the record shop was closed
and I was like, I hope everything's all right.
I hope these guys paid their taxes on the job.
But we'll talk about taxes.
We do not talk about taxes.
It's a bad luck topic for today.
We do not talk about taxes.
All right, strike the taxes comment button up.
He just put the weekend haircut,
well his old haircut on the...
Yeah, it's a cool group, man.
And like I said, I enjoy just hearing,
I mean, I've heard every type of music in the record shop.
Like we've had so many other different type of artists
and I've gotten an opportunity to play my own music there.
So it's just really cool.
Real informative as well.
Like Abel's real helpful.
He helped me with some things.
And in fact, Abel, before we leave,
I'm going to DM you, I got some good news for you.
Yeah, I met Grande through the record shop.
So that's how it works, even though I'm a host.
I'm a founder of the record shop here with Nate Guppy
and our DJ, Mr. Sweet, who's lost in the world.
But I still meet a lot of people there
and I really love the music that comes through there.
Like Grande, you're a sick producer.
I think your music is dope.
And I really enjoyed our conversations.
We've talked a lot about exactly that,
like the record shops and stuff in New York,
like particularly like Fat Beats.
Yeah, that was the one, man,
where everything would really go down.
Yeah, because it doesn't exist anymore.
The moment me and Abel became friends
is when we both realized that we agree that
Rock is Records was probably the greatest hip-hop label ever.
I mean, that's a bold statement, for sure.
So based on what albums do you think made Rock is the greatest record label ever?
Lyricist Lounge compilation.
You would put Soundbombing over Illmatic?
Is this the place of time?
Listen, I like Stones, bro.
I like Peanut Butter Wolf as much as the next guy.
I think they're lovely people.
You gonna put them over Loud Records?
Kane, we may have to meet at Starbucks and have a conversation.
We can't do this in here.
Whatever you like, sir, I'm available.
Don't buy your caramel macchiato.
I'm just an innocent bystander in some way,
but because the only thing I can say is that I have personal connections to
Aetola is a good friend of mine,
and he produced a bunch of stuff with them.
I got to do a lot of shows and postering and fliering,
and it was like the birth of the street team.
You know, the lyricist lounge was really, really cool.
I can't say, like, you know, Kane, like,
in the whole history of, you know, hip-hop.
I don't know enough, honestly.
Like, I could just say, yeah.
I mean, well, if you mention...
When you mention Illmatic, I'm like,
well, that's a really good album, too.
Like, there's no way to compare this.
But I think that, you know, being personally, like,
and being there in that moment to see that, like,
the rise and the fall of it all,
it, you know, it creates an affinity for it.
And, you know, I wanted to see those that, you know,
But the other thing is they had...
Nate, you can speak to this, too.
Like, another record label that was, like,
drum and bass and electronic music.
So, for me, that was really cool.
That it wasn't just one thing,
and it was, like, a doorway into, like, music culture.
And I think that that's what really, you know,
attracted me to, like, what they were doing
and being involved in it and stuff like that.
Yeah, that's where I would shout out,
Rockis, actually, is that crossover thing.
Sort of like the Judgment Night soundtrack
where the metalheads hung out with the hip-hop heads
in a legit way where it wasn't, like, run DMC
and fucking Aerosmith, you know what I'm saying?
The Rockis Records bridge with, like,
drum and bass is very legitimate.
Like, they had Wally Pish-Posh on there really early.
And then if you look at the bit, like,
some of the bands and groups, including, like,
Ming and FS were really big from New York
FS is now on, like, Dimmock, which is Steve Aoki's label.
There's so much crossover
in as far as the electronic part
for the best of drum and bass in jungle
and so much of the lineage of the best of hip-hop
meeting drum and bass in a way that wasn't fucking corny.
Like I said, like, run DMC meets Aerosmith in a music video,
but, like, throwing some beat hounds in a room,
stirring up the pot and having a result come out
that was not just edible, but fucking delicious.
And then accidentally learning, you know,
in a roundabout way that I was a Kanye West,
like, production fan, didn't feel super good
because a bunch of my favorite Blackstar,
fucking Talib, and all those other guys,
you know, I hated to admit it.
Like, some of my favorite beats,
I didn't read the fine print,
and it turned out to be fucking Kanye.
And I didn't find that out until very recently either,
but all of that, I would give some credit to Rockis
for bridging gaps with production, electronic music hounds,
and sort of that underground of where I'm from,
which was like turntableism,
which overlapped with, like, you know, hip-hop culture,
obviously, but wasn't the same
because it also had a Venn that went entirely the way
of, like, beats, drum and bass, breaks, you know...
Scratch pickles, totally, yeah, exactly, totally.
And that was more in common with, like,
other sides of the hip-hop spectrum,
like, even the breakers, ironically enough,
because they were hanging out with the DJ types more
and artists and taggers and shit.
Like, they were more in that mix at the time
when I was raving, you know, those were the people
that were bridging the gap in the rave culture
and to the suburbs in a way that wasn't, like,
Dr. Dre's The Chronic and hiding it from my fucking mom
or something, but, like, in a way that was, like,
actually installing it into everyday life
and shit that, you know, where I was from,
people were up to, you know what I mean?
Just saying, fucking MeganFS, that's, like,
because I've been waiting for someone to mention
MeganFS or, like, LTJ Bookum
music to listen to, which was a promo I got.
Apparently, it's still on Ming's fucking SoundCloud
and it's one of the best drum and bass
Megan mix was with hip-hop, like, The Firm
and all the New York shit.
I'll send you that link right now, bro.
So, here's what I do, right?
I equate everything to the shit that I get from there.
So, if I go to a store for, like,
there's certain places I go for burgers,
certain places I go for pizza.
Rockas, fucking that, you know,
Blackstar, the Blackstar album.
One of my favorite albums that no one ever
talks about, which was the fucking
high tech album, high technology,
because it had a Core Mega song on there.
Yeah, because he will rap about cocaine
even on a love song, which made me very,
very happy, because I love Core Mega.
And it was something else.
I think, like, the Pharo Mach album was on there, too.
Yeah, Pharo Mach's album.
The one-off G-Wrap was on there.
Like, one of them G-Wrap albums was on there.
I can't remember which one.
It was a good one, too. I like that beat.
Yeah, and when you call it Company Flow, like...
Yeah, I was going to say Company Flow was like...
See, now it's sounding more legendary.
I'm an EO dub more than a lyricist lounge guy.
So, you know, the road forks for me there.
But I like Rockas the same way I like Stone's Throw.
Because Stone's Throw gave you amazing shit.
The same way I like Fool's Gold.
It's not like... I put Rockas in the same...
Even though Rockas is a little bit more legendary
and has a lot more accolades and people will definitely
fall over them more than like Fool's Gold.
Fool's Gold gave you Danny Brown.
No one was taking chances on Danny Brown back then.
Are you including the beats, too, or are we just going MCs?
Because there was some amazing production out of all of them.
With Alchemist and Madlib.
You want to hear two producers who can also rap?
Like that's, to me, it's a really nice thing to sing.
Yeah, I want to hear two.
I think the thing about Rockas is that...
Okay, you know other labels, like, okay, the major labels.
I don't know if that's just me because I was in New York there
in that time, but you didn't feel like...
I don't know how to explain it, but Rockas had a closeness
to anyone who truly loved hip-hop in New York at that time.
And it was cool because everybody wasn't into it in a way.
They weren't the ones, except for the success of Blackstar
who actually were groups that did get airplay.
But they were able to be right alongside those other artists
that we all loved who hung out in front of Fat Beats and stuff
and you could see and say, oh, y'all, I heard that record.
It was like a closeness that Rockas...
You just had to be there to kind of experience it.
I was telling people one day that...
I left school one day and I drove across the...
What do you call it? The Manhattan Bridge.
And I was coming right into Chinatown
and I had made this left into this little side street.
And there was this guy, he was putting up all these posters
And I was like, oh, man, this is cool.
And I asked him, I said, what's going on?
He was like, oh, it's a Tyler Lee video we're doing the set for.
And stuff like that that just...
I will never forget and always remember.
And I know that a lot of music is going to be emotional.
So how I feel about stuff.
Also, the music you liked in high school, typically speaking,
if you were really serious, lasts a very long time.
Not just in the music you were listening to,
but that style and genre will walk with you a while
because that's right around the time most of us start musically developing.
I will say, however, that for all of Rockas' nice things,
if you would like to flip baseball cards and I just bring loud records,
we can do that because...
But don't get it twisted.
To me, loud, nervous, weeded, all those record labels are kind of like...
You can't put loud records on the same level as nervous.
Not loud, but I'm thinking about all the labels
that were in my crate during that time.
You can't sleep in bag records.
There's a bunch of small labels that were great.
That was the time and era.
Yeah, that's back when they still did artist development.
That's a whole other comment.
If you look at the NFT music space
and what it is and why it is,
and people have these spicy caliente hot takes,
and I go, I can attribute it, a lot of the shit you see,
Artist development is almost an inverse now.
My man Lowe calls it the ugly dreads phase.
You know, when your hair is not long enough for your dreads to fall,
it's just like the ugly dread phase.
You got to go through that in order to have nice dreads.
Your beard is like bushy but not big enough to be a proper beard.
It's just that in-between beard.
You have to go through that to get a nice beard.
Artists have to go through that too.
And there's records that I have that y'all are never here
because they're fucking terrible.
There's records that I have that will never see the light of day.
I was just trying something.
But by the 18th time I tried it, it did work.
And then you get this song.
Those first few songs should never be released.
You should have a place to craft out of the public eye.
Not all of us, obviously, because some of us aren't crazy,
but everything a lot of the artists you'll see on Web3 do
because there's no one really guiding anybody.
It's all just the blind leading the blind.
They do everything. They show everything. They put everything out.
I've had conversations when I go,
I'll say something, oh, yeah, man, when are you going to drop that?
Never. That record's never coming out.
Man, I put out everything I make.
So we have the opposite of curation now
where artists feel like just to keep up with algorithms,
they have to put out everything that they're making,
which I think robs, especially musicians,
of that valuable, quiet time
to just try shit where no one can see you.
Yeah, and that's the time of creative development,
like self-creative development.
When the world is shut out,
how do you get that time in this world
if the pressure of being online all the time
and sharing all this stuff?
Yeah, I don't think it's absolutely necessary.
I think it's a fake mindset
and it's something that we perpetuate ourselves in a lot of ways.
Where is creative development gone?
It's gone into the hands of artists that want to experiment
or artists that have enough success to pay for things to experiment.
That's why Web 3 interests me
because the tech here is great.
So we can experiment with it.
You're making an album on Bitcoin with the sound of Bitcoin.
To me, that's really interesting.
That's the kind of stuff I want to do.
I want to make media that represents
the feeling of the essence of that media.
It's just fallen short in commercial distribution.
When we say this was the best and this was the best,
that's all it was in past tense.
It may be for all of our individual reasons,
but what are we doing right now that's pushing things forward?
It's really hard to figure that out
because things are really accessible.
We're all on one format, the phone, stuff like this.
It's like, what do you do different?
If you make an album with a new keyboard,
it doesn't really do the same as it did back then.
It doesn't really matter in a sense.
It's really boiled down to trying to figure out
why do you like music and where would you find new music.
I think without these conversations,
it's really not going to exist further than it has.
It's not really that one is right or one is wrong.
I really love hearing all of the differences
of these different experiences and why something matters.
That's something that is music.
We're talking about music.
You know what I mean? It's not cars.
You know, Nate, I kind of promise myself,
because I remember when I was younger,
especially just starting out producing,
and I would come to the studio with my MPC,
and the engineer would be at the studio.
He would give me flack sometimes.
Oh, you kids can come in with your little boxes now.
Then he was hearing the music we were doing.
He was like, well, you guys know what you're doing
He would always say that, yeah, there he goes
So I'm not going to be this guy that says, you know,
but I do understand what Cain is saying about.
I just, you know, the structure is going
People don't respect the process.
As a producer, as an engineer, I respect the process.
When I work with my clients, I try to tell them,
look, this is where it is.
This is what you got to do to get the best thing.
You know, it's a process. You record.
I've actually had young kids come to the studio,
and they're in there practicing their romp.
And I'll be like, listen, I'm going to stop this session.
I'm going to give you back your money.
You're going to go home, and you're going to learn that first.
You don't practice in the studio.
You know, I've done that, but not every engineer
in New York is going to do that.
Some engineers will let you, you know, just waste an hour.
They'll be like, okay, time's up.
You know, so I think that's just the problem with some people.
But I wouldn't say all, because, you know,
there's some kids out here who kind of want the best
for their music and are willing to learn the process, you know?
And of course, we didn't have the social media
with the FOMO for going viral on something
It was just a whole different vibe.
It was like, okay, this is what this dude is working on.
Whenever he puts it out, you know, we support him.
But that doesn't make me rush my work or anything, you know?
And I've just kept that, you know, the whole time.
I mean, there was, yeah, I know we're, you know,
maybe supposed to close the space at midnight,
but this is too important.
It was more of like, you know,
when you're releasing a record, you know,
this is the day that it's going to come out
and actually be available.
And then you would go to the place to get that, right?
And so without that, like, you're not,
you don't need to go anywhere.
So it's kind of like, well, I'll just get it tomorrow,
you know, and that can go on forever.
And I think that, you know, we, it's like,
we're in this time when like we can either allow the,
the disposable culture of where we're at and digital things to like,
you know, just sort of continue.
And then, and like, yeah, this is just one little thing.
And like you, or, you know,
we can think about how we do this.
And I think that's what NFT is bring, you know,
bring those questions like how many of these are you going to make?
You know, are you going to mint?
Where are you going to mint this?
You know, stuff like that, that we, we weren't really, you know,
that you weren't really considering because it was just mostly,
music distribution is like set out in front of you and it's,
it's pretty plain and simple, you know?
And it's like, Oh, is it going to work or not?
Like we don't really know that.
the fact that like we're all trying something that we really don't
Like we should share our experiences and our information.
Like, you know, grande, like after, you know,
we had a good conversation. I met you, we talked about beats,
but you had a good really serious situation and a good question
about music licensing and in a company that I've worked with and stuff
And those kinds of, you know, that's where,
that's why you would hang out in the studio, you know,
close to people who knew a little bit more about the next thing that
So if we're not in the studio doing that, where is that actually
I think it's cool that everybody can make records in the bedroom,
but I also want to hang out with more people who are musicians,
into music, A&R, all of that kind of stuff.
And, you know, without creating that space,
it's just, I don't see it happening.
And I've got kids, you know,
a teenager coming into teenager stuff.
And it's like, I'm really, you know, I think about it.
It's like where, you know, where are we, you know,
I can use my voice here to provide that.
You know, that seems to be something that resonates.
it's not something that I'm stuck on necessarily making sure it
is something that I've seen is interesting to people when they
All of these things that we're doing with music.
And, you know, there is a demand for it.
You know, we've got the NFT record shop and the pop-up
There's like 150 people come by there.
You know, we have great conversations.
So, you know, that should be, you know, some,
that's a good signal of organic, you know, success.
And so I want to like take that and bring everybody who's coming in
there and be able to share that kind of stuff, you know,
whether it's a record that you've produced or something that you're
trying to work through or all different aspects of that.
You know, and sometimes there's questions that you can't ask
publicly, but you get to meet people.
Like, I think it's a perfect example.
You know, Kane, you came in today and you got to meet everybody
here who's in Sound Sound.
You've been at the record shop.
I mean, you know, if we don't continue to do these things,
these connections won't, you know, continue to happen.
But, yeah, on the other side, if we just do things, they'll
So, yeah, I am just super happy.
It's awesome to see, you know, people coming in and stuff.
You know, would come up and ask them because, you know,
we're here to include everybody.
Shout out to Kaku and Hachi.
Big Sound Sound community coming through.
We've got Natalie, Mitch.
I mean, Rax is here, Felins, Luna.
Yeah, big shout out everybody.
Thanks for coming by and, you know, supporting us because
when I see you guys come by, even if it's just like a pop
through, it really means a lot, you know.
So, yeah, thanks for this.
I think, I don't know, Carl, how are you feeling, man?
That arm looks pretty heavy, man.
I'm enjoying the conversation.
I had a good time tonight, for sure.
You guys are wanting to talk some more.
I was hoping that Nate would be done with his Hall and Oats remix by
the time that the space was come to an end,
but we're just have to go back and do it again
and try it again because, you know,
this is what creative development is.
I don't tend to use superlatives that are like best or favorite
or those types of things,
especially with music because, again,
I don't compete that way.
I mean, I have other hobbies and other things.
Some of you guys know about,
I would say I have some gaming-based hobbies, right?
More than one that I've gone to like very high level at.
So, even in music, my only competition's with myself.
And one of the things you guys were talking about,
about the tech and the other thing,
one of the things I think I brought to the record shop idea was
that I still see a lot of vulnerability in this side
as compared to the PFP side,
where we've been rugged and have the leathery,
like we have leather asses that have been just ground to stone
for like a good couple of years.
And I still see a lot of summer children out here
in the Web3 Music space kind of talking,
I won't say out of turn, but like I remember my first beer
and this shit's got to do with people's livelihoods.
So sometimes you got to be sensitive to that.
And I think that's one of the things the PFP side learned
the hard way, the easy way at first
when it was a bull market and people were making money
and then the hard way for like, you know,
another year and a half or two years,
watching frantically as everyone took turns
rugging each other in circles
until there was no liquidity left for anybody.
And in the meantime, kind of seeing weird battle lines drawn
amongst people that are all essentially
on the bucking Titanic still arguing
who's got a first class ticket versus a third class ticket
when the water's coming over the goddamn spillway.
So I think one of the things that Web3,
and I will continue to say does better than Web3 Music
is onboard people and make them feel welcome.
One of the only times and only places I've ever faced
the weird kind of discriminatory things I've heard about
people with the wrong PFP or being mistreated based on,
you know, Web3, you know, snobbery and that kind of shit
was my first couple of months trying to speak
in a Web3 Music space because I had a mutant ape up
So I think sometimes too, it's important to remember
if it's not about artists giving each other
the same Ethan circles, it's about getting some fans
and some other people in here
and making it a welcoming environment for them.
And it doesn't necessarily mean you have to compromise
your values or sell out or play softball on bullshit,
especially not shit that's an ethical line.
But at the end of the day, winning an argument
or whatever it is that's been going on lately
everyone's gonna fucking lose in the meantime
because of the scorched earth policy
because nobody wants to listen to any of us grown-ass adults
argue or do negative shit while they're at work
or doing other things with real-life issues in between.
We have to make the presentation of the music fun.
We have a debt to the people listening to us
to be interesting, to do our homework a bit,
to keep up with what's going on
and to not be a bunch of bickering fucking children
on record if we expect anyone to fuck with us
or even care about anything else
we have to say after that point.
Nate, I'm so glad you said that
during the pandemic when everyone was trapped in their house,
there was such a collaborative spirit here
and that's what attracted to me.
But it has turned into a battleground
and that's where I kind of hang back.
You don't see me anymore.
But now I know I'm not crazy.
I know I'm not the only one that has realized
that atmosphere going on, you know?
But I'm all about the collaborative spirit, you know?
If I have something somewhere I can help you,
please let me know, you know?
That's what attracted me.
I don't know if it was just because we were all trapped
in our houses and didn't know what was going to happen to us
that everyone was just so nice and loving.
Yeah, well, we all need that reset, too.
I mean, one of the things that is good about being me
is I don't have collectors, right?
I'm not out here chasing a nickel.
I'm not minting anything yet.
Let's say I won't, but I think that's one thing
a lot of people did backwards in Web 3,
which was they tried to have a mint
before they had a community, and they tried to mint.
Like Kane is saying, your deep graveyard of beta tests,
not everything should be a blockchain event
that you can't escape from, right?
Not everything should be a fucking promise ring
that's tattooed on you from the first time
you ever tried to tattoo, for instance.
Like, people forget the blockchain is not something
you can just half-ass and make promises,
and that's another aspect, I think.
There's a social disease that kind of carried over
from PFP flipping that came to this side,
which was very attractive to maybe music and visual artists,
which is to, like, say, buy my art,
it's going to pump like, you know,
if a stupid PFP can pump, so can my art.
And there's a huge issue with that
because there's a whole lot of other undertides
going on with PFP flipping we don't talk about,
which could be any number of things.
We don't know if it's, like, you know,
some flow of money from somewhere coming through.
We never really understand what causes the pumps, right?
You just know and you look at the volume
and know there's ways to jump on.
But to someone who's an untrained eye in Web 3,
for them to come in and say,
one NFT is the same as another,
and someone's saying, grab, you know,
if a board ape can do this, why can't my art?
And it becomes like this altruistic kind of stance.
That's where I get off the bus
because it's honestly trying to,
and then on the other side of the mouth,
saying, like, PFP culture is shit,
but let's embrace the worst of what made it shit
and try to put it into our marketing plan
and act like the next iteration's
going to be anything better.
It's time for all of us to just scorched earth
and decide to start, not start over,
but let's reset the conversation
and realize that the Titanic ain't sunk yet
and we can still fucking latch the ship up a little bit.
You know, I mean, you know what I'm going to say.
Well, most of you know most of what I think already,
which that's why I don't court DJs.
Like, I never courted DJs.
I never did it that way, not once.
I just didn't see the longevity in it.
And I was like, all right,
I'm friends with some of them, you know, they're cool people,
but do I want them as collectors?
And they, you know, it's pretty clear.
And it's like, well, how do you expect to make it?
And it's like, well, it takes longer.
But if I treat it like a business,
but I also treat it like super fans.
A super fan is the true fanatic.
Like, you have to talk to them different.
You have to treat them different.
You know, we don't have to do like the self-important,
self-aggrandizing, weird pseudo marketers speak,
like everything's this super secret alpha
and all you're going to get to.
Like, first of all, demand, you can't fake demand.
People want it and they don't.
The kind of people who are led astray with bullshit promises
And believe me, someone smarter than you has fleeced them
for most of their big money already anyway.
People like that have already wandered into a casino
once in their life and knocked out any fucking chance
of them having, you know, seven or $800 consistently
to throw at whatever digital litter.
Work with people who like the thing you do.
I make a niche kind of music.
I make, you know, mid-rapity rap.
And, you know, my friends are just not mid.
Nigga, I have really good taste in music.
It's good mid, but it's mid.
I'm not making the purple tape.
So it's not the purple tape, but it's not wacky.
It's somewhere in between.
It's the middle of the road.
But I make that and I make it a certain kind of way
and I make the kind of music I make.
Everyone in this space, in this room, in this community,
in this town is not going to be super-duper frothing
at the loins over my music.
Some people will buy it because they just like me.
They think I'm going places and they think it'll be worth more later.
You can't really stop people from doing that.
Some people will buy it because they truly just like the artwork
and the music was extra for them.
And some people, you know, not as many as I'd like,
will buy it because they truly just like the music
and want to own it and it is like a digital vinyl record for them.
Vinyl heads already understand this.
A thousand dollars, they get three Brownsville vinyls.
Not because, you know, it's a pump and dump.
It's because there's demand and that's what the market bears for his work.
Also, when we look at people who sell quote-unquote music NFTs
but they sell them the PFP style,
they also come with the PFP tricks a lot of the times.
Ghost wallets and shit like that.
I never thought I was poor until I watched television.
Selling one and two and three NFTs,
I never thought I was doing bad until people start trying to get you
to compare yourself to people selling a lot more than you.
They don't make what you make. They're not on your path.
Your journey may be longer than theirs and it may arc out better in the end.
But it's important for us to, like I build my house out of bricks.
So I walk down the road, I see a collector,
I pick them up, I put them in my basket.
But that one at a time, hand by hand,
is a more solid way of building than some sort of fake hyper growth
because when the market turns down, I'm still okay.
They're not buying for the flip.
They're not buying for the hype.
They're buying, really, some of them just buy to get the balance out their wallet
because they buy tons of bullshit
and they like to be able to point to something and go,
well, look at this, I also bought this, this is dope.
But anyway, that's kind of like my two cents.
Well, you bring up another good point,
but here's a kind of funny dichotomy in this whole thing I've seen,
which is the invest in my art for a musician.
I always say consume art, there's nothing wrong with consuming it,
but when someone buys a PFP,
like if I'm comparing these two items at a store, at a convenience store,
it's an easy comparison for me.
Buying the music for me is more like buying a pack of candy
because it's something I'm going to eat, I'm going to consume.
And buying a PFP is more like buying a scratch ticket.
What's funny to me, though, is no matter what someone says to me
about that pack of candy being something I'm going to eventually be able to resell,
like maybe down the line if it's a classic Hershey bar, you know what I'm saying?
I still have trouble with the way that there's oftentimes marketing done
in Web3 Music where the idea of this being something that's going to net a return
And we can get into Howie and all the rest of this stuff,
but these people aren't putting their paychecks into some sort of grand mechanism for this NFT.
So where I have an issue is the patron relationship being called something else sometimes,
but I do see the way you do it, Cain, and you do add real value.
I see oftentimes, though, out here, what's going on is people are token
kind of like a patron relationship, and they're selling you a pack of gum
and trying to act like it's a scratch ticket, or worse,
they're selling you a pack of gum and they're scoffing at the scratch ticket
even though there is a potential upside.
Like, you know, a pack of gum is never showing me any return
even if a scratch ticket's a bad gamble, do you know what I'm saying?
And so that's where I think some of these battle lines getting drawn are really silly
because they're not the same thing or the same purpose, right?
And the issue being people want to get those insane returns they see in the PFP markets
for like some of these stupid projects, you know, pictures of whatever, dickbutts.
There's literally a PFP that was called dickbutts that made a fortune, right?
And it has thousands of ETH in actual volume, right?
And I can see why people latched on to maybe some of this social disease
in marketing, and it came to this side.
But again, there's a vast misunderstanding that a lot of those things
are essentially the same thing as flipping shitcoins or coins
with just images attached, and the images are irrelevant.
And that's where I feel like there's still, like I said,
a lot of summer children in the Web3 music space and visual art space
about what volume means, like you had said, Kane, about the front page
and what it means and what wash trading can be done
very simply with bots and all the rest of the shit.
And that's all stuff that the PFP side, it's like, you know,
in the course of five years, it feels like it was a century ago or whatever.
It's something that's so old in PFP, it's almost played out.
But for whatever reason, it seems to still have lots of play
on this side of things, and that's what I hope we can bridge
at the record shop when we do a show to not just be a Web3 music show,
but to be a Web3 show that even embraces the PFP side
because there's plenty of valid shit there, including the wisdom
and experience to keep people from getting burned
and paying lower tuition out here, even if you're just a creator
and non-flipper yourself, right?
And that's where I kind of get really ripshit because, again,
we live in the house that CryptoPunks built.
I don't give a shit who's minting what out here.
Web3 wouldn't be here without PFPs first.
There's no chicken and egg debate.
There's the chicken and the egg.
I mean, there's actually one before CryptoPunks,
but at the end of the day, this is the house that PFPs built
and people shouldn't be confused.
Well, the way I stay, I keep my fucking, my suede shoes clean
is I don't focus on the CryptoPunks style of doing things.
I focus on the rare Pepe style of doing things,
and that's partly to do with how I was onboarded,
partly to do with who I hang around,
and partly to do with my comfort level.
Like, I'm not, I was a registered representative,
like, you know, for all the funny shit.
Like, I passed the seven,
and I was legally licensed to give financial advice.
No, I'm not going to fail the Howey test to sell JPEGs.
It just seems like a long...
I did a really good job not criminaling.
I'm not going to fuck up my streak now because of, like, crypto.
It's just not going to, you know, I'm not going to do that.
And I remember, like, the PFP craze started end of 20, beginning of 21.
Like, it started rather at the same time I got here.
So, what were people doing before?
Fortunately, I'm around a lot of people who were there,
so I don't have to speculate. I know what they were doing.
What were the people doing before there was tons of money in the space?
They were just trading memes, making each other laugh,
making friends in a telegram chat.
And they were becoming popular for their styles of work.
And, you know, if you do good shit and people like it,
there'll be demand for it.
It helps if the people who buy your shit also are sitting on big bags of crypto
and can have bidding wars with each other.
But it also helps when you have a real connection of those people
outside of just, give me money.
When you treat your collector base like the Giving Tree.
I do. So, I think we're in agreement.
It's just, the ways, everyone's going to be seasoned to taste.
I know people who make, you know, music NFTs or,
I don't know what the fuck they are, frankly,
but they call them music NFTs and it's some sort of a,
it's like a Ponzi game of, you gotta,
we'll see afterwards you gotta go to the Ninja Warrior obstacle course.
I'm like, I'm not doing none of that shit, man.
Because unlike a visual artist where we can
sit there and make the case, we're afraid.
Once they've heard the song, they've heard it.
You can't have them unhear it.
Once they heard the song for free, why would they pay for it?
You know, we don't have tons of people worried about
bootlegging and glitch art, you know,
saying like, we have a genuine phobia of people
listening to our music for free and then saying thanks
and then walking out without leaving a 20 on the dresser.
I fight that phobia head on by saying,
go listen to it for free.
What? Yeah, you can listen to my album.
You can listen to my album for free.
Doesn't cost you anything. Go enjoy.
Oh, well, why would I buy it?
That's it. I'm very simple.
You wouldn't. Someone like you, no.
People like you don't buy it.
And they are. Well, is it selling?
Oh, yeah, definitely selling.
I would have needed three million streams to do what
I've done so far in revenue.
Well, why are they buying it?
But you just listen to it.
And I incentivize collecting like my vinyl record.
That's I'm ordering this.
I just wanted to get some extra odds and ends on it.
I'm ordering my vinyl this week.
My vinyl is not for sale.
You can't buy it with money.
I don't care how much money you have.
You can't buy it. It's not for sale.
You have to burn a copy of dust to get my vinyl.
It's only for the first 10 people
because after that, you got to burn two copies.
And I'm not flexible on that.
And OK, guys, that was fun.
Now I'm going to sell it.
I'm totally content dying with those records.
They'll put them in my casket.
They'll never, never get them.
Put them in the box before they create.
No, I like that, Cain, though, that you're always pushing.
Because to me, that is real value.
And this gets to be one of those deep and abstract conversations
But it's one of those things, like the Supreme Court,
you know it when you see it type of thing.
Those, to me, are expressions of real value,
where a lot of other things I see out there,
it's like people acting like they're solving voter fraud
And I'm like, I don't know that this
is going to change the world, or the tech, or the,
Like, so it's nice, too, that I like
that you don't overstate the front line
aspect of what you're doing, and experimenting
Because we need more of that, and we need a lot of it.
Like you said, there's no proven formula.
But damn, if we don't have a lot of bar stars
that are spending most of their nights chasing
the fucking bar owner to get their $150
rather than actually perform, right?
I'll say, I will add addition to that,
which is, for me, I love the crypto,
I love crypto music, right?
I'm not doing Web 3 or NFT,
I'm just going to say crypto,
because it's easier, and it's simple,
and I don't want to obfuscate what I'm doing here.
I don't take fiat, so it's crypto music.
And I don't have to rap about the Merkle root
in order for it to be crypto music.
I put stuff on the blockchain, I use blockchain tech,
it's crypto music, regardless.
I'm leaning into this thing that I'm building
for other people to get money.
Like, it's not just the, hey guys, come get money.
Build your base and actually trade with artists.
Like, being able to put your stuff up on a deck
and say, like, a decentralized exchange
and say, yo Abel, I was in your wallet the other day,
I see you have two Nates and a Genzo.
I'll trade you for a Mitch and this copy of Dust,
and he'll be like, nah, nah, nah,
I'm not fucking giving you two Nates.
You get one Nate, one Genzo, for one for one.
And me and him can go back and forth
and have a heated negotiation in a fucking telegram group
over that, but that's a value-based discussion
that people, I think, we've gotten away from that
and trying to get stupid people interested in something.
I don't want to get stupid people interested.
I think that that's silly.
I think that when you're done building your pyramid of idiots,
you're going to realize that it's a tomb
and you're trapped in it, and you hate it here now.
Because you're surrounded by dumb people
who feel like you owe them something.
I would personally rather continue this road
as hard as it is sometimes,
as underappreciated as I feel sometimes,
and as lonely as it gets sometimes,
as my immediate friend group,
as difficult as it is, as unlike as I get.
As much fucking shit that gets thrown my way,
because you're rugged and I said it's a rug,
I don't say I'm skinny, that's a lie.
You're doing a rug, just rug.
If you're stealing, steal.
My friends are drug dealers.
I'm not judging you like you're stealing,
but you can't, obviously you can't sit down right here
And we're not going to be best friends and it's fine.
Just do your stealing over there.
And if you're here to do a bullshit version of marketing,
fine, be a marketer, man.
It's one of those cool people who do music
because musicians understand each other.
I don't have to know too much about you
if I know you're a musician.
We already get each other.
Regardless if we're going to be friends,
Be on the road, I get it.
I know what tour is like.
I know what going to labels is like.
We have shared very similar experiences.
Whether people understand that or not,
that's the commonality of this particular fraternity.
Musician transcends motherfuckers who paint.
I think it just does because I think for us
to get the acceptance in our lifetime,
there's a lot of bleeding that's required.
Yeah, I wonder if you want to wheel a bit
because one of the things you touched on
was the way you were saying trading the Nates
That's actually part of how we envisioned
It's not something we harp on,
but in some ways we're socially funded,
like NPR, because people would come
and do drops and throw us two copies
The idea being we always want to have
But because when we do giveaways and things,
We have a lot of NFTs that people have given us
but we end up spending a shot loading gas
to send it out, especially from the Gnosis one.
So people funding us or wanting to support the shop,
sending us music NFTs or making deals that way,
like you're talking about,
is exactly something that we envisioned with this.
We don't have a superfluous way to do it,
like a spatial or the way we would ultimately
love to be able to do it,
like our Discord, for instance,
we have it set up by section like a record shop.
There's front desk, then there's shop floor
in the areas you can't see,
or the back room where you'd smoke weed
if you had the homie that worked there.
Manager's office is where our mods are.
So we do actually have that idea of the decks
because that's how it was with,
if you remember, mix tapes
and swapping extra copies of records
and vinyl at the shop or whoever came to town
just all that social equity being convertible
into real equity because of who you know
and what you know is definitely something
that we hope to be an interface for with the shop.
And that's something we haven't pushed enough,
but it makes our lives so much easier,
especially during like the bear and the worst of it,
when we don't want people to donate,
but when people give us copies of their music
and we will never undercut a floor,
but we let one go and just to have some gas,
like that used to be something we did
that Abel and I haven't focused on
just because we've been too busy,
but that is something we do.
If people look through the NFT record shop's main wallets
or anything from folks you guys want,
just make a weith offer on stuff
and be glad to take it because anything you send us
actually directly goes to essentially sending out
more giveaways and raffles and stuff
because even sending out donated shit
costs so much in gas it gets ridiculous fast.
So if people want to make deals
for stuff that you see in that wallet,
We're always wanting to trade
and have more because part of it too
is stuff that we never want to trade.
We always do like the PFE or the flip mindset.
One of them is ideal because you always keep one forever,
one to let go for some lank or whatever else,
but what we hope to do is to convert our sweat equity
into other forms of value in the space
in order to be able to plant those seeds
for a bigger platform for everybody,
whether that's for the information purposes
for the show, for guests, for other shit,
or whether that's when it's drop day
and any number of folk could use some extra ears.
That's one of the whole points of the shop
was it's always been tough in the Web3 music space.
If you have something you want to share,
to show up to Joe Schmo's music space
where it's all about celebrating their one album or song
or drop and then basically having to beg
or you had to like sneak into a discord of a project
and hope you catch some people.
So for me, the shop's vacuum was always that,
having a place where people could come in
and let some ideas and music fly
and have it be project agnostic enough
to not feel like you're intruding,
but also not have it be formal enough
that you feel like you're fucking at work anymore.
if anyone wants to help us out with the shop,
we could use any of the help we can get
because there is a lot to do.
We would love to be able to take this more
to a podcast-y front or to different platforms.
And so if there's extra hands or ways
that we can get involved with folk,
we've had offers for live sponsorships
and stuff like at Basel and other places.
We just don't have the hands to do it.
So understand that 2024, big things could come for the shop,
but not without everyone's help,
which we've been so grateful to have to this point,
but to go to the next scale that we'd like to,
to be able to do bigger things for everyone,
we definitely need to get more people involved
because that's the shortest resource of all
that we've been finding lately to keep it going.
Like, we had actually a booth offer in Basel
we couldn't take because I was there alone
So if anyone's feeling the vibes and wants to lean in,
don't feel like any contribution's too small.
We definitely want to hear from you
and we definitely appreciate that.
And big shout out to San, once again,
for doing the feature on us and Crow,
for just this awesome work and watching this unfold.
All this shit matters to us,
and all of this is what keeps us going,
doing this for as long as we have twice a week,
except when we're closed, sorry, Grande,
except when we've been taking some breaks lately.
But as we've been talking about,
there's been some issues out in Web 3,
and when it doesn't feel fun to be out here,
So that's where I think we need that reset.
We need to get back to all having a good time
because if we don't find that sustainability of culture first,
there's not going to be sustainability of anything else for a while.
You know, we can't afford a scorched earth.
And there's just, the artist space
and the artist world is too small,
so that's visual music or the rest.
So be the support for someone else
if you're looking for it for yourself.
And that's something we try to live by at the shop
you guys will take with you on your journey in Web 3
if it's helped you along the way.
You know, and it's worked because, like,
we've had secondary sales through the shop wallet
and that goes, you know, right in to fund, you know,
our giveaways and things like that.
And it's a little bit like, you know, looking ahead.
You know, we're all, you know,
I feel like there's a lot of focus on primary
and selling out and all this energy.
But, you know, ultimately, like, well,
once they're sold out, like, these are, you know,
where can people get involved in this after that?
You know, and so that was the idea of the shop.
And, you know, there's just the nature of NFTs
allows that to happen with music now.
Like, there really isn't another place
where you can, you know, buy a piece of music
And so, you know, we just want to facilitate that.
And what I found was that, you know,
when people are still discovering music, right,
and they might be coming from, you know,
collecting one-on-ones or the PFP side of things
or, you know, whatever it is.
But, you know, people love music.
And so when they find, you know, music
and then they're like, they find the shop.
can you help me navigate the world of music?
So, of course, I'm going to introduce them
to everybody who's, you know, participating.
And, you know, some of those collections were like sold out
and the only way to get them really was that we had,
you know, duplicate copies in the shop wallet.
So, you know, those ended up being secondary sales.
And I feel like that, you know, is really inspiring.
And it's a little bit too far ahead to focus on.
But, you know, the system is here.
And I, you know, encourage people to think about that
because, you know, for me when like,
and I have a record that came out in 2001
and, you know, I know what it's like to have, you know,
99 or whatever it is, you know, because they don't,
it's not always a thousand.
And I got it ordered a thousand, but, you know,
I picked it up in my car, you know, barely even fit,
First thing I started doing was dropping them off
at the record shops, you know,
I would like go on little tours around, you know,
regional and drop them off with 10 records,
And then come back and, you know, recall them.
And when they sold, you know, come and collect.
And a lot of times I'd be like, well,
let me get a record while I'm here, you know?
So it's, I think that, you know,
it's really important to, you know,
issue and publish your NFT collection.
And as the tech gets better,
I think we'll be able to integrate this in ways that,
you know, it makes it easier, you know,
with split wallets and all of these things.
Right now it's a bit of, you know, manual work,
but I do think that that's, you know,
a really important aspect of what we're doing.
Because, you know, it's like a lot of labels,
you know, come in or there's this question of like,
do you need a label? And it's like, well, you know,
maybe you do for promotion,
but like if you're just looking for them to resell your record
and the label believes in your music,
like why don't they just, you know,
collect all your NFTs and resell them?
I mean, you know, it's not that easy.
So I think that, you know,
just really finding our way here and, you know,
what, you know, what really works, you know,
what, how does that actually work?
Like you're saying, Kane, like, you know,
you're not focused on people that are just looking to listen
to your music for free. I'm not either.
You know, that was a big thing for me.
It was like, I realized it was like, yeah,
people are just going to listen to it for free or not.
Once it's not on a CD, you know,
because they don't have to get this thing, you know, from you,
or they, or you're not going to save them time by burning them
one, you know, and it's like,
when people they're like, they can't do something like they
can't burn their own CD and you can then all of a sudden you,
they see value there. But without that mechanism,
like we have to find ways to bring the value back to the
music. And I think that people are overlooking like the,
the fact that we have a secondary, tertiary,
quadri, you know, market like my own collection I've had,
I think like a tertiary sale, you know,
like a third person has bought one NFT, you know.
So I think that that's really cool. You know,
I have no idea how or why that happened, but, you know,
I wouldn't know anything about that.
If I hadn't started to experiment, you know, and put these things out.
So I think now that we've been experimenting,
it's time to kind of, you know, put these things back together.
I, yeah, I think that, again,
I don't want to hold us all hostage here.
We've been here for a while.
Girl, you're like about finished.
You've got like color and everything going on, drawing.
So it's cool, man. I really like this, like hanging out, you know,
looking up there and watching your drawing of listening to all this conversation.
I think that this is, this is what Web3, you know,
music NFTs are. It's not just music. It's not just an NFT.
It's not just buy something. It's a be here, you know,
experience it, absorb it in your own way, you know,
participate, participation sport.
And yeah, I've had a really good time.
So I'm looking forward to doing it more.
We feel like social proof is the ultimate.
I mean, participation is the ultimate social proof, right?
Showing, putting up and showing up.
And it's tough to do that over time in Web3.
So big shout out to the people who have been here for the long haul.
I mean, like Cain's saying, even before when things were just coins
or before they even had this, this wing.
I mean, just shout out to the people that were,
have been built to last because damn,
if it hasn't been an easy journey and being a pioneer never is when
you're, you know, you're taking the, the,
the face long hit into the brush.
It's, it's always a rough, a rough job, but here's to hopefully
2024 being the warmer and better year.
It looks like it's going to be.
And there's some good vibes, you know, no financial advice, all that shit.
But here's to all of us finding better fortune in the next warm run
and hitting our goals, whatever they are,
and learning from our mistakes together from whatever side of Web3 we came
from in the past couple of years, because there's been,
there's been a lot to learn, a lot we've been through,
and a lot we could have done better for ourselves or for each other.
So here's to doing it the way, the next opportunity we can as things pick up.
I think we had a lot of great discussion tonight.
I'm excited for tomorrow.
Friday's a big space day and I always look forward to Friday's
because the NFT record shop.
So looking forward to it, Abel.
Nate, thank you guys so much.
Everyone else for coming up.
Everyone else for staying with us in the audience.
It's, yeah, we love you all.
It wouldn't be the space that it is without you.
And we're all here making a better place at 1 a.m., 10 p.m., 5 a.m.,
whatever time it is for you.
Yeah, keep doing what you're doing.
You are the absolute man.
Any last words from you, sir?
No, just thanks to everyone for coming out.
I'm feeling the PFP thing.
I entered this space and have attempted to maintain as much sanity
and integrity as possible.
And I have committed myself to working with projects
and people that I believe in that have good hearts
and are here with proper intention.
And I do believe that the Saw and Sound community
and the team and the PFP that maybe you've been watching
on Twitch is part of that effort to sort of change
the standard that we've all kind of like grimly
become used to of what a pump and dump PFP project is
and turn it into something that really is bigger
and greater and uses the technology in a way
that's not just for like gains he gains.
But I'm not against anyone.
I know we're all here to increase our bags and get them bigger.
But I do want to say like I believe in the culture
of blockchain and experimenting and especially in PFPs
and what the potential is there to have some really
amazing brands built from them, amazing experiences built from them.
So it's nice to hear all these like really congruent minds
and people in the space in the conversations this evening
who share similar value sets and are here for the right reasons.
Yeah, I hope everyone has a nice night.
Hey, everyone, follow everyone up on stage.
Follow everyone in the audience.
And yeah, looking forward to the final version of this trait,
seeing what we do down the road with the NFT Record Shop
and looking forward to tomorrow.
Abel, Nate, thank you both very much.
Have a wonderful night, everyone.
Was there an alpha or did you already drop that alpha?
Oh, you can drop it right now.
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