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LIVING WITH AI AGENTS - HELPERS, OVERLORDS OR BOTH?
Recorded: March 27, 2025 Duration: 1:01:10Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the launch of innovative AI agents designed to enhance user engagement and decision-making in the crypto space. With a focus on organic growth and user rewards, the conversation highlighted the potential for these agents to transform the landscape of digital finance, while also addressing the broader implications of AI in society.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. I Thank you. Thank you. . Thank you. . I Thank you. . so
gm gm ladies and gentlemen what is on? And welcome back to another flagship space.
Really excited once again to be here.
I'm your co-host, Bossa.
And as always, before we get started,
going to redirect everyone's attention here
to the top of the jumbo.
And first of all, if you guys can repost,
like, comment, bookmark, show any type of love
around today's spaces,
that'd be very, very much appreciated.
And look, our choice of topic of today,
living with AI agents, helpers, overlords, or both.
I love the title in itself.
And of course, AI is such a huge topic
of discussion right now,
especially with ChagyBT's latest model
and a lot of this whole Studio Ghibli style
of prompting going on here in the timeline. And so a lot of things whole Studio Ghibli style of, you know, prompting going on here
in the timeline. And so a lot of things going on here in the space. But as always, I want
to make sure we are audible before we get into bigger discussions. And of course, that
being said, I do want to check in here with Jorn first. Jorn, what's going on, man? How
are we doing today?
Jorn Giles Doing well, doing well. As you can see with my profile picture, I completely
jumped into the hype.
I'm loving it. I actually just got a text
from my mom that she thinks
it's the best profile picture I've ever had.
I don't know if that's a compliment or
not.
She likes the new trend as well.
But for the rest, yeah, doing well.
Excited for the space. Happy to see the speakers and the audience here. Happy to have you as a trend as well. But for the rest, yeah, doing well. Excited for the space.
Happy to see the speakers and the audience here.
And happy to have you as a host as well.
Really honored to be back, man.
I appreciate that.
And yeah, just pinning a couple more things in the jumbo.
I see we also turned our graphic marketing asset for the space today
in also a Studio Ghibli style.
And then, of course, the logo of Flagship in this little Studio ghibli style and then of course the logo of flagship uh in this
little studio ghibli style man so i feel once again the timeline is just well i'm just timeline
general everyone that is you know on chat gpt is on this as well i've seen a couple of things
outside of x um people on reddit are also diving into this so it's cool man it's cool to see this
type of stuff happening but i do want to check on everyone else here we also are joined today with style ai 3d labs
what's going on style how are we doing today hey my name is this is leo speaking here i'm happy to
be here um i'm very surprised that so many people figured the Ghibli thing out without issues. When I saw yesterday, I immediately typed it into my GTPT and it was giving me the content and privacy policy bullshit.
But for like 20 minutes straight, I tried all kinds of prompts.
And also, especially with the logos, flagship, you actually made it work for the for the banner that's pretty cool
if you have any tips on how you made that happen because for me it was very very difficult it
literally said oh this seems to be like a corporate logo we can't do that and then i was like literally
us just make it fucking happen but it wouldn't i swear if you dabbled with MidJourney before, this image generator with ChatGPT is 10 times more consistent and doesn't have a lot of the weird skewed lines that MidJourney would typically produce.
So it is pretty interesting. It is pretty interesting. And I think a lot of people are going to be honing on it. But yes, I appreciate your time today. Leo, thank you for joining us as well. Let's check in here with Public AI. Public AI, what's going on, guys? How are we doing?
chat gpt and trying to get it to do things with particular images have the same deal but i think
if you just give a generic prompt a prompt about the whole image in the frame it will do it for you
so that was kind of my solution around that but we're going to jump into all that good stuff
thanks for having me appreciate it absolutely man appreciate your time as well um let's keep
checking here with our guests i see we also are joined by uh vj on the behalf of bits crunch because as well
um vj what's going on brother how are we doing today uh doing good doing good thanks thanks for
having me here today uh so speaking all the way from munich germany uh so the temperatures are
getting better spring is on the way and uh so so that's the market i mean market uh needs a little more push
uh still in deep waters though uh but but i expect some positivity in the coming months
i love this man again definitely you know price action definitely not you know where we all want
it to be but this doesn't stop us builders as people from hosting you know spaces
around ai agents and just talking about the markets but nonetheless appreciate your efforts
to be here today um again guys one more reminder if we haven't showed love to this space link best
way to support these spaces is by interacting with that so um go ahead and do so if you haven't
already um but look before we get into uh the main chunk of discussion here
you know i i believe uh two weeks ago we got into a little bit of a discussion around the agent
mining especially with the latest uh you know releases uh behind here of flagship um and of
course i do just want to kind of go over it very briefly again just to remind folks of what they're
looking forward here when it comes to flagship and the next steps um so jordan if you don't mind before we get into the main discussion
of talking again with ai agents you can just do a quick little summary on the agent mining that
we talked about um not too long ago um that'd be awesome jordan uh please go ahead absolutely so
yeah agent mining has been uh has been live for for a good part of a week or over a week now. One note is what we're extremely happy with is we refrained from marketing campaigns so far because we wanted to see organic growth. And we're seeing it. So the app is growing by itself. so we were beyond excited about that. And we're going to launch some marketing campaigns in the next couple of weeks.
And have some really cool partnerships as well.
About the agent mining itself.
So right now, there's four agents.
These are our initial four agents.
They are Agent Joker, which focuses on meme coins.
Agent Boomer, which focuses on the more established cryptocurrencies,
Agent Singularity, which focuses on the crossover of blockchain, crypto, and artificial intelligence,
and then the fourth is Agent DeFi, which focuses on decentralized finance, so mainly looks
at the harder factors like TVL, revenue generation. And so those are the four verticals
these agents focus on.
Right now, every day,
these agents pick one token in their domain
based on our proprietary data set
that scrapes about 20,000 public crypto telegram channels
for sentiment and attention.
We're backtesting the performance
and the results are incredible.
We don't want to spill the beans just yet,
but the preliminary testing
of the picks that these agents make
are very, very promising.
So that's where we are right now.
And as a user, the agent mining
is you get to pick one
out of these four agents every day.
If you pick the best performing agent, you get the highest FYI rewards,
second best, second highest FYI rewards. But even the fourth, the last one, you still get a small FYI reward. So it's a really interactive way for the users to get acquainted with our agents.
And it's for us a way to backtest and test the agents and optimize the assets
they pick.
That's step one, where we are right now.
So over the coming weeks, we're going to be rolling out new features.
The first one is chats.
So you'll be able to talk directly to the agents, ask them anything, and the agents
will be sharing all their significant insights into their specific
sector so for example agent singularity it will highlight okay um this specific project my vertical
the crossover of ai and crypto has been gaining significant attention relative to other projects
or the sentiment has turned very positive for this project or there's a lot more chatter going
on in specific telegram groups about a specific project.
It will share all those insights into the chat.
Users can ask about specific projects,
fundamental analysis, for technical analysis.
So that's the next step.
After that, our agents are going to be autonomously managing
their own Twitter accounts.
So all these insights that I just told that the agents will be sharing in the chat,
they will also be sharing them on their Twitter.
They'll be interacting with thought leaders, projects, and their followers.
After that, we will be transitioning from one asset per day to a portfolio.
So these agents will be managing a portfolio whilst continuously providing updates
into the chat and on X on everything they are seeing in their vertical.
So that's what you can expect over the next, uh, next, uh, next weeks and months.
Uh, in parallel, we will be adding more data sets.
Um, we're now talking to a few quite prominent, uh, crypto projects that
provide open data streams via their open data protocol.
We're also looking at some bit tensor subnets that, that have some interesting And crypto projects that provide open data streams via their open data protocol.
We're also looking at some BitTensor subnets that have some interesting data points.
We're also going to be uploading a few thousand books into their context.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg, right?
So we just continuously add to, as we call it, our crypto brain, which is the proprietary artificial intelligence that all these agents run on so they will be continuously optimizing learning from their choices and
expanding the data they have access to and the knowledge they have access to so yeah a lot of
exciting stuff and a lot of uh a lot of moving parts over the next uh yeah for the next period
love this man and i'll never forget when you mentioned the Joker agent,
I couldn't have resonated more with that one considering that's the DGEN agent out of all of them. Yeah absolutely. You know what's funny, we actually expected Joker because
it got a lot of attention and we tested it with the community and before we went live
Joker was definitely the most popular but what we're seeing in the data of the usage is actually the choices are, they're shifting.
So a lot of people initially went for Joker, but now they're shifting more towards all the other four agents based on the day and based on what they're picking.
And we believe this is going to
change a lot more once their personality starts coming off a little bit more, they share a little
bit more of their insights into the vertical. So yeah, a lot of dynamism going on there as well
amongst our user base. I love this, man. And yeah, definitely, you know, there is a plethora of
agents here to kind of identify which one you align with the most. So yes, if you guys want
more information, definitely check out the pin post here on the flagship account. You know, definitely
want to, you know, show some love there. But that being said, let's get right into this, man. I love
the title of choice today, AI agents, helpers, overlords, or both. I tend to see both sides of
that stick. But look, I do want to kind of just open up today's question again
here with Joran, if you don't mind. And this is a kind of more of a thought, right? Like
AI agents are slowly becoming an unavoidable part of daily life. And kind of the title alone is a
question, right? But Joran, do you see them as kind of like these helpful assistants or potential
threats or something in between?
Where do we kind of stand and how do you look at this perspective?
Well, that's a very tricky question, right?
So I think they will.
Essentially, it's both.
So they will be massively helpful.
For example, I was just booking tickets
and planning a trip for a crypto conference
I'm heading to 2049 Dubai.
And I was going through this process
and I was like,
I can't wait until an agent just optimizes my route,
my hotel and exactly knows my preferences.
So in that sense, there will massively be a productivity boost.
And that's also with crypto, right?
So I'm stabled up a little bit.
I want the optimal yields.
There's a lot of yield opportunities out there that are actually generating quite significant yields that are reasonably safe.
that are actually generating quite significant yield that are reasonably safe.
But I just don't have the headspace to go from chain to chain,
looking for the optimal, like I don't have the time to do that.
So an AI agent for that would be incredible as well.
And there's so many use cases and applications of these agents
that are incredibly helpful.
But then on the flip side, you see, so the analogy I always like to use is right now,
the younger generations have a very hard time navigating on a map or just navigating cities
without their smartphone.
Because Google Maps kind of, like, they don't need that skill set anymore.
They don't need that skill set anymore.
And I feel like agents, the better they become,
the more we outsource a lot of our skills
and a lot of the things that we do to these agents.
So we start trusting them more and more,
but there will be flaws, right?
There will be hallucinations.
There will be unforeseen issues.
There will be unintended consequences.
So that's the one part that I see as a serious threat is that, okay, people tend to trust.
So once it works a couple of times, like first you have to get over that initial hesitance.
Once you get over that, people tend to trust the system completely because most people don't know how it works.
And that's where it gets
a little bit a little bit threatening because there will be mistakes and right now the scale
is small and the responsibility of the agents are still limited this will expand and then the
potential outcome of wrong decisions will will have more and more and larger and larger negative consequences.
So that's a bit of a caveat for the agents.
We're also very aware with that with Flagship.
We want to completely test them, understand exactly what they're doing,
and help people in that way.
Regarding the overlords, I don't know.
I don't know. I find it very intriguing. Of course, the human tendency is to dream very big in both the positive and the negative. So I think everybody here has probably, we all used to work on the farm.
I find it very intriguing.
We couldn't imagine the society we live in right now.
So I think we're kind of in a similar situation.
But there is a real threat of AI going rogue.
And that would probably be the paperclip example that's been used a lot,
is that you ask an AI agent to optimize
for paperclips and it will not stop at any way and will take over systems just to create more
paperclips. Maybe. There is threats, definitely, because they are increasingly capable. But yeah,
we'll see. Yeah, it's fascinating. I feel like the Terminator
might be a real
thing here in the world.
Look, something that
this is, I'm trying to find the tweet
here. Legendary
Modern Markets, he's a creator
and also space host. He shared
a fascinating take today
regarding AI and it's kind of applicable
to what you just shared.
And he said that AI is just copying stuff.
AI isn't necessarily creating.
And with the thing is,
it's like 98% thoughts from AI are not original.
And if anything, they are derivatives and inspired from the human brain,
from the human thoughts ourselves.
And so it is fascinating when we think about, you know, when do we reach a point when these
AI agents will be thinking for themselves, right?
But then that stems from, well, what type of data and knowledge and information are
we feeding these AI agents?
And that information alone comes from us.
So I feel, again, I don't know if it's an argument per se, but a lot of people agree that AI evolves as long as human evolution continues to evolve.
So I think it's also responsible on our end to make sure that we are guiding and building these AI agents for the right use cases.
cases um because for it to be an overlord i feel like it has to go on this crazy rogue-like
experience that kind of just you know uh goes against humanity type of set i feel like it's a
movie a movie type of scene here um but joran really really well said love the uh the opener
here um i'm gonna pass it over here to leo with style and uh leo i know you guys are also working
on your own ai agent you guys are you know pushing this a little bit as well uh nakumi if i'm hoping i'm saying that correctly um leo if
you don't mind maybe just giving us a quick little summary on how you kind of see again the ai agent
narrative are these helpers are these overlords or these both and maybe you can talk about as is nakumi as well uh leo go ahead yeah nakumi i think i think that's pronounced correctly i also
don't speak japanese that's the name that then it's also an ai generated name actually um yeah
with regards to what we're doing uh we've we've started dabbling with AI relatively late compared to other protocols, I admit, maybe November
last year. But I thought it was really exciting. I played around with the ELISA framework myself
quite a bit. And we have created a launch for AI agents as well. What we try to focus on with what we try to, where we try to find our niche is the
3D usability of agents. So this is one thing that I'm super bullish on, as well as on the other
stuff. I'm generally, I used to be very contra AI, but I think the more you do it, do stuff with it
yourself, the more you're like, okay, this is, this is pretty fucking cool. So now I'm pretty
bullish. And with regards to what we're doing, because we is this is pretty cool um so now i'm pretty bullish
and with regards to what we're doing because we had this all of this 3d like from before because
we initially started as a 3d infrastructure we're focusing on like actually having them usable in
games as playable characters for example this nakumi is one that we've launched it's it's a
little bit centered already on social media like many other agents. But what we're focusing on is
that having more actually applicable as a 3D asset that can be a playable and customizable
character for different games, and potentially also be a trained, or not potentially, that's
the ultimate goal, be a trained kind of like a supporter, like an NPC that does tasks with you in-game
and ideally at some point also does tasks with you
or for you when you're unavailable.
So I don't know, super classic example,
World of Warcraft,
you just want to grind and farm,
kill some cows for,
I've actually never played World of Warcraft myself,
so I don't know if they have cows drawers whatever just kill some some NPC stuff to get a better sword to farm gold
and ideally the NPC i can do that while you're away i'm obviously the fun stuff when it goes to
you know going on quests and killing the dragons you end up doing that yourself you can turn off
the NPC during that time but kind
of like have an npc where you take over in gaming to some extent and also just generally making
games more exciting through actual sentient like npcs i think this is i'm super bullish um
bullish on bullish on that i think there's going to be a lot of applicability we'll be seeing with agents in gaming and i do have an opinion on the overload
stuff as well but i don't want to i don't want um talking stage here ah man leo we got to hear
it man that's why we're on the space uh yeah i want to hear it too okay okay i actually think
i'm waiting for the end this is going to take a long time, especially so I'm
European and especially Europe, we're kind of like fucking ourselves through a lot of regulations, but
I think AI and politics is going to be so good for the world because I feel like not just in Europe,
in America, it's changing a little bit now, but I don't want to take the political sense here.
We used to have so many problems
with making political decisions, especially in Europe,
because potentially certain people will feel certain ways.
But I'm under the strong opinion
that you can't run politics on how people feel
and you can't make good economic
or governmental decisions on, I don't know, feelings.
Objectively, there's good decisions and bad decisions.
And once we get AI into politics, and this is kind of scary for many,
I can assume that this will then become, okay, the overruling of AI
because they have a stating in how our government's running
and how the countries are running and economics are running.
But I would argue that they are going to make
objectively better decisions for society
than the politicians we have in charge right now.
I like this take.
I've never heard this one before.
And maybe, Leo, just to piggyback a little bit,
in this case,
you mentioned they're able to objectively think for themselves.
Do you think this kind of removes, though, the human side of making these type of decisions, especially when it comes to politics?
I feel like it's a huge thing.
But Leo, do you kind of see that narrative evolving as long as,, AI sticking true to this objective thinking mindset per se.
Um, Leo, how do you kind of see that panning out?
I think it it's, I mean, I would want that to happen.
I think, especially when it comes to this, uh, governmental and rules and regulation.
And, uh, I guess you'd say like the legacy that is like area of things.
It's going to take a long time for AI to be applied there because the people that can make things happen there are the people that are in charge now.
Why would they want something that maybe replaces their job?
Because like a lot of the innovation and government stuff is always the issue.
Like people are afraid of their jobs being taken and AI would essentially do that for a lot of people.
So this is probably where we'll see it last.
But arguably where we need it the most in decision making.
So yeah, that's what I said.
I just have to jump in because I think you're so spot on.
I think as a European as well, there's incredible complexity.
There's 27 nation states that have different interests and different local systems and regional systems.
And I think an artificial intelligence system that is objective and neutral and try to optimize for the well-being of Europeans.
I think that's such a fascinating concept. Absolutely, man. And again, I appreciate the different takes we're hearing on today's
space. Aliyah, I do want to go back to what you were saying in your first half of your take around
resources and productivity around game development. I was hosting a space earlier this past week as well,
and we were talking on how AI
is almost going to be inevitable
when it comes to game development moving forward.
Leo, just curious to know if you also
kind of see this in the same light
with what was shared there
on AI agents fulfilling the role
of creating these assets
that would typically take, you know,
months sometimes to create.
But now we're talking all of this work can be condensed in a couple of days, maybe within
even less than that, right?
How do you kind of see this impacting the overall development productivity side of businesses
and products moving forward?
Yeah, I can be brief here.
We're gonna see a huge shift in game development.
I think game development or indie game development
is gonna skyrocket because we've been in 3D
for the last three years and the progress
that AI is also making on the creation of 3D assets itself is astonishing.
And five years ago, it used to take, let's say, I don't know, if you're creating an indie game,
you need 20 devs, two years, you could do the same indie game now with maybe three devs and six months.
Because of the AI already being able to do certain 3D assets for game development
itself. And this is just something that's going to go exponentially. And what I hope we'll see
is that large game studios, they are going to be downsizing. And you can already see this,
like larger game studios, they're hiring less and less because AI is going to take over. But
indie game studios and real creative people are going to have more opportunity to create cool um games and virtual
worlds on themselves so i think gaming is going to be super interesting it's kind of a shitty
situation if you're a 3d artist because it's becoming more and more competitive because
ai can do so much stuff but from a retail perspective i think gaming is going to
explode just just further for the next
past 10 years.
Absolutely, man.
And look, we're talking like months condensed into maybe a couple, or I don't know, like
maybe a couple of weeks at most, right?
When it comes to the concepts and things.
And that's what's powerful about AI.
And I'm already seeing a lot of founders and builders
utilize this image generation that we're just talking about the very intro today's space
to conceptualize their products right getting the MVP out there getting the idea out there
and then from there you know maybe tossing it over to humans per se to finalize the idea um so it's fascinating, man. And it's insane what it does
to our productivity side of things. I do want to pass it now to our other guests here and appreciate
Joran and Leo here opening up today's discussion. Public AI, love to hear from you. But just to
go back to this whole serving humans per se. What are some real world examples
where AI agents have meaningfully improved
our decision making
or even what we're discussing right now,
our overall productivity?
Public, we'd love to hear from you, man.
Go ahead.
All right.
I guess I'm a living example of that
as a real world example
of using AI agents to assist me in my journey of decision making.
No, I don't know. There's there's a lot of really cool examples.
I I'm kind of old school. I used to play Dungeons and Dragons when I was younger and use like the proper dice and create,
you know, my characters and have the dungeon master
and all that.
And occasionally we had the books,
but mostly it was a friend of mine who would just take,
take control and out of his head comes the story.
And I stumbled across AI Dungeon and I thought that this was
like a really cool real world example of how AI agents
are taking this storyline creation and character creations and lives,
I guess live as it comes up in the context of AI generating it, plot twists and all that stuff for the storyline and the campaigns.
and the campaigns. So these kind of things where it's really heavily creative
are sort of down my alley personally. But Leo, I think also touched on this, the productivity side,
and I feel like productivity can be good and bad. People can use productivity for evil and for good.
So it's kind of walking a fine line there.
But I think from the creator's standpoint, and especially when you're talking about 3D assets and metaverses and gaming, especially when it comes to NPC players in games where you're interacting,
like, you know, I think that's going to be next level as well in terms of, you know,
having this storyline, even real and live at the same time, interacting with people.
So, you know, those are kind of my thoughts of of like cool fun real world examples
of ai agents and you know um music as well could be another one you talk like esports or or like
coaching who there's there's so many really cool use cases i think that that could come out of it
um and and what what flagship what you guys are doing you know i think this is it's like
i think it really should be fun, in my opinion.
Like, that's where I'm coming from.
Fun is where we need to be.
Do you feel like that fun layer is kind of missing right now, public?
Or do you think we're slowly creeping our way towards that engagement layer,
per se, that fun layer?
There's a lot of experimentation happening, and I think that's fun. But maybe the
motives might not be aligned with sort of creative fun as opposed to how can I make money off this
kind of fun. But, you know, being someone who's maybe not necessarily from the space or doesn't
necessarily have a plan to create a startup or, you know,
get funding for an idea and they just want to play around for something that will help them
personally, I think that there's so many opportunities there for those use cases.
Yeah, absolutely, man. And just to follow up again, on the flip side, though, of this question,
man and just to just follow up again on the flip side though this question um where can ai agents
cause more harm than good um and again i feel we already heard a couple examples of maybe through
bias misinformation maybe these unintended consequences per se um public where do you
kind of see the other end of this stick yeah i mean i think we've been seeing it for a while, to be honest, you know, with the algorithms, whether that's in your, you know, the things the algorithm chooses for you to see on social medias or when you're streaming on Spotify or wherever, the next suggested post.
suggested post. It has a tendency to potentially go down sort of a radical spiral
and drag you into the rabbit hole. I think there's also various bias, whether intentional or
unintentional. I think there's been news about that. And of course, fake news amplifications,
I think there's been news about that.
And of course, you know, like fake news amplifications, social media, this disruption when it comes to news, especially around politics.
We've been seeing that.
I fear most is that with health care, I think, you know, there are a lot of people who say, and I'm not American, but I have a lot of American friends and health care is expensive in the States.
So will they go to AI to help solve their health health care problems?
And will AI misdiagnose them? You know, like these things can can cause a lot of harm.
And I think we're just seeing kind of the tip of the iceberg there.
we're just seeing kind of the tip of the iceberg there.
So as someone who's maybe listening to the space
and is just kind of curiously trying to get a feel
for what AI is all about,
it's just, you know, protect yourself,
be careful out there.
Yeah, and just learn as much as you can
to safeguard, you know, how you use AI.
You know, it makes me think, like,
will there be something where we can kind of verify,
I guess, like, or how reliable a certain AI agent can be?
And again, this again is probably going to be
a big experimentational phase of this development
where how do we vet and how do we qualify an AI agent
that is providing real useful information,
especially if it were to enter, you know, the healthcare type of department. I think that's
something that really affects the daily human, you know, daily routine type of concepts. But
yeah, public, that'll be something to think about. This is kind of something that what
public AI is focused on right now, as it is, right?
You know, using real humans to verify data and rewarding them for that.
So I think by having sort of a consensus and contributions by real humans, then we can really vet out the bad ai and the good ai agents and yeah you know we can have some
sort of trust in there so you know hopefully we can add to that and decentralization also i think
is important you know we want to verify everything and uh we want to make sure that we stay safe
yeah you know i i feel like for the general public,
especially with new technology,
I think your average human,
when they interact with the newest tech,
I feel like they're always expecting
like this life-changing experience
with this, you know, latest stuff that's emerging.
But I think we slowly have to introduce
or somehow like integrate this AI, you know, layer of what we're discussing today into the daily lives of maybe your average, you know, human per se.
And until we kind of see this acceptance of the culture of AI and its values that it's providing, I think we'll start to see at least a, what is it the word?
Like a tide shift you know like
like a shift in the world where we kind of see this acceptance happening um but yeah public
really really well said i'll just play contrarian just real quickly for a second there um you know
i think people don't really care honestly as long as they're using something and it does what what
they want it to do you know i've seen the same thing with web3 right like there's proponents of
web3 and decentralization and and sure people should care about decentralization but you know i've seen the same thing with web3 right like there's proponents of web3 and decentralization and and sure people should care about decentralization but you know for the most
part most people just ignore it and and i think when it runs in the background and with the things
that they use uh they don't need to care as long as it's there and it's helping them so maybe that's
another way to kind of explore or look at it.
Yeah.
Do you think though that's like too much relying on AI per se?
Like is that being too reliant where we don't care?
I don't know.
Like just curious to hear your thoughts on that.
Yeah, it's not that people don't care
because they're relying on it.
I think people just want to use a tool,
whether that's an email or a social media and not be concerned,
whether it uses AI or not, and that it just works for them.
And if it works for them and AI is kind of running in the background and
everything,
then they don't have to think whether that AI is decentralized or centralized, or if there are a whole bunch of agents doing
their thing in the back and they don't have to think really about it. And obviously the trust
comes into play with that as well. But yeah, you're right. Like relying on technology, like
we're already doing it anyway. I mean, you know, the computers there,
people type less, people read less books, like actual books, like, so we're seeing the transition
of how technology is reshaping the way we communicate, our medium of communication
and all those things. And that really also changes our um our brains our brain chemistry and in a way that's
kind of like the evolution via you know technology and we're seeing it i think it's happening yeah
yeah you know i myself i rely on you know elon to manage these twitter spaces and unfortunately
he always fails me because uh sometimes these spaces still rug. So just a fun example there, but
public appreciate your thoughts here. And look, speaking of reliance, I think it's a perfect time
to toss this over to Vijay here on the behalf of BitCrunch. And Vijay, we'd love to hear
your perspective on this, on how does the increasing reliance on AI agents impact human independence, creativity, and maybe just our overall decision making?
Vijay, we'd love to hear from you, man.
Please go ahead.
I mean, obviously, after what ChantGPT and other tools have done in recent times, the hit on creativity has taken a toll.
We rely heavily on such tools
uh include including uh trading decisions right uh people when asked a certain uh ai agent ai tool
for advice and then this simply for, it was a designer's role, right?
To bring out creativity, to do some stuff.
But just with the click of a button, we now have a cartoonish version of everyone.
So slow and steadily, some jobs are being taken away, eaten away. But doesn't mean that human evolution
worked this way, right?
I mean, we lost jobs with the advent of new technologies.
But at the same time, we have learned new things
and adapted well.
It's been historically the the thing with humans uh so rather than uh getting frightened
away by such ai agents i guess we as humans need to adapt uh and learn ourselves
to to sort of adapt uh well but to an extent yes creativity has diminished uh
But to an extent, yes, creativity has diminished.
But look, even with ChatGPT, people
are still being creative, right?
They ask intelligent questions, witty questions,
get the best out of ChatGPT.
Even today, there are two sides of the coin.
One who uses such tools great to its full potential and the others who are just beginners using some basic questions
right so we have a tool in hand and it is in our hands to use it to its full capacity or to its
what basic level so still a lot more we can do with such automated tools.
It's in our hands.
Yeah, really well said, Vijay.
And, you know, I don't know about you guys,
but ChatGPT has become my new Google.
Like whenever I want to learn something
or just research something,
even if it's like,
what is the recipe of a chocolate chip cookie?
I use ChatGPT as my new Google. And speaking of this, and Vijay,
just to follow up, how do we kind of see these automated tools kind of becoming like our own
new Google per se, right? Like, I feel like this is kind of like the direction we're heading
towards to with how we're leveraging these AIs just for basic questions to the most,
you know, complex systems that we want to
figure out today.
Vijay, how do you kind of see this evolving?
Yeah, I mean, look, Google is definitely a company that survived several bear markets
in the web2 space and it is standing tall for the last three, four decades easily.
for the last three four decades easily and with what chat gpt and open ai has achieved uh treat
this as an uh sort of a first alpha or a beta version that we have in our hand and just remember
that they have raised a ton of money right they have raised billions of dollars uh recently not
long ago so think of all the money money going into the R&D,
getting into the reticurities of the app, the UI, UX,
and the smartness of each and every upgrades or updates
that they release.
So the full potential is still a long way to go,
in my opinion.
And they have already started with the bank.
They have started with the bank they have started
with an excellent way opening up window for a whole a lot of whole new businesses around
chat gpt or or such apis so obviously it has replaced everybody's google i mean those who are techies are already using sad gpt's and perplexity ai's
instead of uh googles and and uh also remember google is is not a child so obviously a lot of
funding is also pumped in uh to to eat back the market share that they lost to such tools so
expect some firepower expect expect some feedback from Google,
because being a market leader for easily a couple of decades is not easy.
Google has done that.
And I'm sure they will also give a good comeback.
You can expect a comeback from them.
I don't know if you saw Polymarket, because I think you're spot on.
But Polymarket has this ongoing market,
which AI model is actually on top.
And I think it happened yesterday
that Google's Gemini model just spiked.
And that's now by far the number one LLN,
according to the market, that's available in the market.
Yeah, like I said, I didn't follow the Polymarket thing, I mean, particularly the one that you
mentioned right now, but this is what I expected, right?
This is what everybody can expect.
You can expect a punch back from Muhammad Ali, if I can call Google that way.
But definitely some fight up from the big boy.
I love that, man.
And Vijay, I appreciate your insights here.
And look, man, I even realized 10 minutes left in today's space is where time flies when you're having a good conversation on spaces.
Just for the last bit here, just to kind of head in towards more of a closing recap type of segment here.
I'm curious to know, now that we've had this overall discussion today,
I know we could have extended it.
Maybe we can do a little part two
in the coming weeks here.
But looking ahead,
maybe I'll start off here with Joran
just to kind of pick opinions here.
Do you think AI agents
would be more of a net positive
or a net negative for society
as they continue to advance?
What is the final say here, Jordan?
Where do you think we're kind of headed here with?
Cool.
That's a tricky question.
But ultimately, I am an internal optimist.
And I also think that value is created by solving people's problems.
And the more problems we solve, the more value we create.
And I think in aggregate, AI agents and AI in general
will help us solve more problems.
If you see the curve of people being lifted out of poverty
over the past 150 years, it's just exponential.
And I think this trend will continue.
So net-net, I think it will
be extremely disruptive, but it will be positive. And I don't think we'll run out of problems no
matter how good AI gets. So I think, yeah, net positive for sure. Yeah, absolutely. We got one
point for the net positive side of things, and that is Jorn kicking us off here.
Let me ask Leo the same question.
Leo, are we thinking net positive or net negative for society as AI agents continue to advance here?
Leo, what are your thoughts?
Net positive.
Net positive.
Another point.
Plus two here for net positive.
Let's toss it here to public AI.
What do we think in public?
Net positive, net negative.
Where do you stand here?
Forever the optimist, positive all the way, I would say.
But again, everybody needs to be diligent in their positivity and not just wandering blindly.
Absolutely, man.
I swear, I think the next 10 years of this world is going to be insane.
I don't know what it's going to look like, bro.
But one more guest.
BJ, where are we standing, brother?
Net positive, net negative.
Where are you at?
200% net positive.
I love it, man.
Everyone is on the net positive side.
And there we have it.
The ultimate key takeaway today. And look, guys net positive side. And there we have it, the ultimate key takeaway today.
And look, guys, I want to say before we wrap up,
a massive, massive thank you here to every single one of our guests from Style, Leo, Public AI, BJ with BitCrunch.
It's been an absolute honor sharing the stage with you all today.
And of course, everyone here in the audience as well.
You guys could have been doing anything else, tuning into a different space, doing something else, IRL.
But you decided to hop in here and look, maybe you are a person that listens to spaces and works at the same time because that's what I do.
So much, much love.
But look, I'm going to toss it here back to Jorn.
And Jorn, of course, if you want to include any news or updates or even latest announcements you have on the behalf of Flagship, that'd be awesome, man.
Please go ahead.
Yeah, for sure.
I just dropped the Polymarket chart, by the way, so you guys can see what I was talking about.
Gemini definitely on top.
and i definitely on top um yeah loving the discussion there and really liking the optimism
because i you you sense sort of a existential fear and a lot of of course negativity is
captures ten x the attention of positivity so you see a lot of this this as the existential dread
and the the potential danger of ai is being zoomed in a lot. And I think the discussion here,
but also the net positive sentiment from everyone here who's actually
building it says quite a lot about what the actual situation or the actual
prognosis of the impact of AI, right? So loving the discussion.
And before I give a little bit of a flagship update to close off with,
I just wanted to throw it over to you guys as well.
We started off with a conversation about the market being a bit sluggish.
So I wanted to squeeze in a little bit of market talk because I know everyone here,
whether you're a builder, a listener, everybody is secretly a DGN.
Personally, I'm looking at this market where it is right now as kind of a gift,
because this is, if you like certain projects,
and none of this is, of course, financial advice,
but if you like certain projects at the price just two months ago,
you must love them at this price.
And there's this very famous quote,
the financial markets are the only markets in the world
where people run away when things are on a discount.
So, yeah, I'm actually really liking these market conditions.
There's some rationality and reality coming back into the prices.
And I know this is where the returns are generated, right?
When projects are down the drain and when market,
like I did a poll in a community that I'm part of
and people just stop paying attention.
People don't care.
People are not updated anymore.
People just walked away, touched guys
and are doing something else.
So I always think like I've been in the industry
for too long, nine years,
and these are always the market conditions where the biggest opportunities emerge. I was just really curious before we close off, what do you guys think about that?
You know, I know we're doing this little sideways consolidation action.
And I don't know.
I've been listening to other spaces.
People are saying we might test again the previous lows one more time.
And if anything, if we do, I think it really just helps stabilize like the chart as far as like TA and whatnot.
But I just need that confirmation on that second leg before.
I just need that confirmation on that second leg before.
Because right now I'm like 90% stable.
Because right now, I'm like 90% stable.
I got the sideline capital ready.
And I'm ready to deploy whenever I see the action moving.
But yes, Joran, really, really good question.
Maybe, I don't know, let's pass it off here.
Leo, how are you kind of observing the markets?
And what's your strategy moving forward?
I don't know.
I'm not big on like analyzing charts i feel like it's very difficult to predict stuff
um yeah honestly i don't know no comment i don't respectfully i like it yeah man
this is all all opinionated so much much love i love the honesty there leo
public anything from your behalf you wanted to share on the markets?
Just good luck out there, guys.
That's all I have to say.
Yeah, yeah, be careful.
Be careful and good luck.
I'm an optimist, but at times it's good to be a pessimist too.
I feel like I'm being sent off to war and public just like yeah good luck man
i love it i love it man uh yeah they don't call the trenches for no reason
yo man uh we only got one life to live guys let's remember that here uh vj last but not least
anything from your side of perspectives on the markets right now, Vijay?
What are we thinking about this?
Next week, looking forward to the next week,
Trump is also to speak on 2nd of April regarding tariffs and other stuff.
And the GDP has grown 0.1% than expected,
which says that the market is slowing down
it is getting better so we may see the light at the end of the tunnel because this has been the
long bear market uh so yeah expecting things to turn around uh slow and steady through this year
absolutely man really really well said um and of course guys i'll say thank you once again to our slow and steady through this year. regarding today's topic. And of course, like I said earlier, would love to have them back here on another space in the coming weeks.
But Joran, going to toss it back to you, my friend.
I know we saved the last question,
but any updates,
any announcements you have for Flagship, man?
Go ahead.
Yeah, for sure.
Thanks, everyone.
Thanks, everyone, for your insights
in the whole chat
and also regarding the market.
Caution is, of course, always appropriate,
especially in this crazy macro world we're living in.
But thanks for attending this space.
And, of course, all your listeners,
thank you so much for taking time out of your day and tune in.
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On the flagship front, yeah,
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So that's all coming up. So yeah, get involved, get in the mini app, start agent mining,
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