Looks good send it - BONK Szn Ep. 6 with the Average JOE’s

Recorded: Sept. 8, 2025 Duration: 1:03:33
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Thank you. hey what's up guys we'll get started in just a sec hey this is why um i'm just gonna use the main
account instead of my personal yeah yeah that's, that's good. What's up, Bonk Intern?
How are you?
Hey, Bonk Intern.
All right, one sec.
Let me add co-hosts.
I just love Telegram pings over and over again.
Yeah, that was my laptop open.
I was going to join in my personal on my laptop, but this is just easier.
You can do whatever you want.
Let me just change.
Okay, one sec, we'll get started.
Okay, one sec, we'll get started.
Hey guys, if you are already in here, feel free to post your comments and stuff of questions
you want to ask Joe, or just things you want said on the spaces, and I'll go through them
partway through the spaces, and then we'll take some of your questions to ask Joe, so
long as they're nice and not rude questions, but I don't know why you'd have any rude questions
to ask them anyway.
So, one sec, let me just skip this.
Okay, Vibe, is there anyone else you want to have on stage uh can you pull up zero x player so um at some point i'll probably have him speak because he is a core part of the team but he's
um he's he basically is in charge of our chinese community. And I'll give you guys more background on who he is
and what, you know. But if you can make him a speaker,
there might be some translation needed in
between when we're kind of in, like,
the Q&A format.
But at the beginning, I can give all
the walkthroughs.
Player one? Yeah, zero X player one.
Yeah, I guess I don't know how many zero x players there
are probably not very much huh well his username i'll be on the two might be easier that way
no no i got it i just sent him a request yeah so we're good to go
i see um greg on from dale i see some quarry people some nyla people, some soul monkeys, some useless friends, Onimaru, wondering why I'm on his post but don't follow him.
Lots of Joes.
Okay, cool.
Well, we can get started.
So thanks for coming, everyone.
So this space is, I guess this is number six.
So Bonk Intern and I interview various Bonk community projects.
And we've done two per week for the past, this is going on three weeks now, so episode six.
And we're going to move it to three per week starting next week.
So if you are a community listening or you have a specific project you'd like that you'd want to talk about, I'd have them message me.
I usually don't check DMs, but I'm actually going to be starting to check DMs now.
And then you can come up on stage and we can work on a time that works best for you.
The whole purpose of this space is to just educate people on different
awesome projects in the Bonk ecosystem. It also helps educate myself on what I should be buying
and probably holding. I really love my random PVP buys and group chats,
but it's also nice to see who's actively working
to really build something out
and see where they're at currently
and then where they're going.
So I think if you're here,
you obviously are a fan of Bonk
and what they've done
and what they've contributed to the Solent ecosystem.
So the kind of format of this
is just kind of open AMA style with with joe and whomever's
on and then the last 10 minutes is going to be um open mic where you all have people up on stage
and you can come talk about your favorite bonk coin or why you hate me or or hate vibe but we'll
kind of turn it over to you um vibe so kind of like first question we dive into is if you can give a little bit of background on yourself.
So kind of where, how long you've been in the space, what you've done before.
Do you do this full time, things like that?
So I've been in the space since 2017.
But I will say like back then, I was still a student.
I was really just a moon boy like numbers
go up this is cool um but in 2020 so last cycle so my background is in i was an engineer by trade
but then i got into finance i have a background in big tech too um i actually have a full-time
job in big tech but it's one of those where i have a lot of flexibility so there's just no reason to
quit give up on a nice you know pay paycheck basically um
but uh i kind of am a jack of all trades i do different things i have a couple other businesses
too but as far as crypto in 2020 when i was trading stocks and options a lot um i started
kind of so i was in 2017 with some guys like in a chat like i didn't pay much attention to it but
there was a lot of ogs in there so back in 2020 someone hit me up was telling about d5 and that's when it just blew my mind because
of my finance background like i couldn't believe how easy it was to go on avi collateralize my
eve and just take out a loan you know i used to work at banks so like that process is so much
more regulated and like honestly just inconvenient for people so that's when i kind of knew crypto is the future um and then i started basically spending i would say half my days just
taking into crypto like chatting with people whatever like more as an investor i guess and
then fast forward to this cycle i was pretty lucky i got into memes really early um i kind of just
like realized everything is a meme right like everything is just
value is what we perceive as value um so in 2023 that summer i started looking at meme coins and
that came with towards the end of the year um and like obviously like that's when everything was
just vibing like we were just having fun as a community. Um, and then I kind of, I'm not a KOL and I don't work on projects actively. I'm more of someone that you,
like I make introductions behind the scenes because I've just been in the space long enough
to have all sorts of connections. Um, but then, uh, over the next year, I guess like last year,
I was just like trading a lot, like honestly hit some really big, like a hundred X plays,
but this was when it was easy mode for everyone. like then the space just got so toxic just pure extraction um we all know like all these like
cabals and whatnot um but yeah then i came across joe do you want me to get into that or do you want
me to pause and talk more about myself no that's good so i guess my first question is very important
one is it ave or ave or ov i don't know i call or Ave? I don't know. I call it Aave.
I don't know why.
Like, that's just how I went with it.
But like, honestly, like it's one of my favorite protocols by far.
It's just this is what crypto is always about is the decentralization, like the marketizing
the whole banking process.
It's funny, the whole meme cycle, right?
Because I was even the whole kind of vibe
is shifted and changed right in 2017 i remember we reading white papers and people were literally
the slogan was like in it for the tech and everything so yeah it's crazy to see it full
360 to buying pictures of animals and then that um turbo nuked and i bought the top and sold the bottom of and then now it's memes where it's
like why are people buying literally anything you know what i mean and it's just because
why not it doesn't have to have utility the utility is is the number going up so i think
it's kind of fascinating to see where it's all gone and to your point um I also view crypto as kind of the future. I view it as one of the best ways to really network with other like-minded individuals
and completely change your life and your family's life for the future.
So that's a cool background.
So it sounds like you have a lot of experience.
I don't know if you've seen the show Silicon Valley.
Have you seen that?
Yeah, I have.
So what's that dude's name that always
drinks the big gulps that is basically paid to just sit on the roof and be a dev but not actually
work is that uh big big head maybe yeah yeah big head eric is no it's not eric eric is the other
guy yeah yeah it's big head you're right yeah he doesn't do shit but he makes so you're so you're
basically like big head now where you have a cushy job where you can sit on the roof and drink Slurpees all day, but then work on your crypto side.
Pretty much.
Like I work in my current, it's like, it's an AI role.
I just say a lot of buzzwords.
That's all you got to do.
I like it.
It's like a meme coin, but incorporate, you know?
Well, maybe you could tell us a little bit about Joe and my first impression of it. So I've obviously talked to you a few times
for the past few months. And it's just, to me, it seems like it's just the average person. Anyone
can get on by it. And it's just a community of average people, which is a majority of us, right?
Not a KOL, not an influencer, et cetera, just average people getting together to try to win.
Looks like you just went down to listeners.
Let me try to bring you back up.
Oh, you got requested again.
All right, we'll wait for Joe to come back up.
He didn't like my response of what an average joe is so he automatically left the stage yeah i just said it's yeah i just said it's because you didn't like my response of what
joe was so you just were like let's piece this space no my uh my wife i kind of like
disconnected for half a second but But all I caught was like,
it's about a community of average people,
which that's literally what Joe is all about.
I mean, I can give a bit of a more background
on like how I came across Joe,
because this is a true CTO.
Yeah, I'd love to hear the story of what Joe came from,
who's part of the team, like all of it.
Yeah, yeah. It's been a long journey.
But so at the beginning, I literally came across Joe
just straight out like in one of those alpha chats.
Someone dropped the CA.
I looked into it.
I was like, oh, it's probably like a quick pump and dump,
Like I'll buy some just because it looked interesting.
It was like a lot of people had changed their PFPs.
So I'm like, okay, at least they're prepared.
And I bought some and then I saw how active the community was like people were all changing their profiles like everyone like it they could instantly relate
to the idea of an average yo i guess so i kept buying i bought all the way out to like four or
five mil um it's like starting from maybe like 400k i think or 300k that's probably where i started buying
um but then the team and then i kind of like met the guys that were pushing it
um it was a few influencers um i don't know if whatsapp and trench warrior in here but they were
kind of like how i heard of the project um through them but then a few of the useless guys also joined
like they're just big holders they They, they saw the vision.
So we kind of formed this like early team, I guess.
And then we all know kind of what happened with the bank ecosystem.
Everything went down like 90%.
And it was just, it's just, it's just pre up. It's not down.
It's just pre exactly. We're all pretty rich. It's just pretty up.
But we just kept pushing
um we i the way i'm i i see joe is literally a group of average people we want to form this
community and just help each other in whatever that may be right like for example we have done
these charity events we're literally just going to orphanages in third world countries and like
feeding these kids for a couple weeks like it's not much but we're trying to make a real difference you know and um that's why like i'm just being
almost like autistic level committed to this like i don't necessarily like i'm not i'm down a lot of
money on this but for me it's more just i committed to building a community for the average guys i'm
going to keep pushing it because this is people gave me these opportunities back in 2020 when i
didn't know the space well
like I think it's just as someone who's been in the space long enough you need to pass that on
right like we it's kind of like the whole leave a better future for your children like it's cringy
but it's kind of that same idea of like I want to help improve this space and my way of doing it is
create like working on this community where the average person can come in and not get rugged by someone. Like we can actually give them some education
on a space or whatever it may be like helping any way we can. And like, I think I have personally
helped a bunch of people in my community. Um, and we have helped each other. Like the whole
slogan is literally Joe helps Joe, like average people helping each other to navigate this space.
I like that. That's a, and I would even think, um even think, so for anyone who hasn't really been
part of a CTO or has even experienced it, it's crazy how much work and actually how much money
and effort go into it. But I would think from your point of view, and having been someone that's
really actively involved in one myself, I know how much money it is. And it's like, yeah, you're, you're down now, but
I think the time and then the money put into it overall, um, pays off and it's good to, to,
to be down. Cause you know, where you can, where the community is going to be headed one day.
Right. So yes, you made it be down short term, but you're going to continue to build and you
see the vision and you see, um, obviously you believe in bonk for cause you're on bonk.
So it's, it's pretty up, like I've said.
So I even think the same thing with, with send it before we,
we had had it migrated from pump to bonk.
It's like pouring like a hundred plus thousand dollars into it.
Tons of time are different resources, things like that.
And you're likely doing the exact same thing,
but it's not because you're like looking at it as a sunk cost. You're looking at it as
it's going to be something one day and it doesn't matter how long it takes. You're just going to
continue building it and it will get there. A hundred percent. I mean, I look at it like,
I mean, like I have like a couple of side businesses. I look at this the same way as
building a business. You have to make those investments. You put in the time, then you build a platform. And that's when everything else
follows. Like, I think people are just so eager to like, oh, I mean, that's why you see these
charts that are literally just up, down in one day. Like, it's getting worse and worse.
So I think we have to kind of return to building a culture, and like the real communities not some cabal
shit like not pump and dump like building real communities go back to vibing and like positivity
that's how you attract additional money like when people come in and see like oh this is just good
vibes people are just chatting with each other talking about life how they can help each other
i think that's how you attract new money how you attract new investors not this like oh it goes
down everyone's fucking crying,
and then you're bitching at each other and just totally falls apart.
I've seen that happen on so many projects.
That's where I think a lot of memes are like,
it really reminds me of NFT communities
where people really want to be a part of it.
And you just get these diehard holders
who just really want to be part of the community,
and they won't even sell if it goes up to where they wouldn't have even ever imagined it would go to.
Because they still want to just be a part of that community and see like a longer term vision and story of where it will be.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, it's kind of funny.
I never thought about this.
So I wasn't really in the, I mean, I have a couple of pudgies, but I didn't get into NFTs.
So, I mean, I bought some last cycle, but I wasn't really like trading it or anything.
But if you think about meme coins, they're kind of just super liquid NFTs, right?
They're pretty, that's how I look at it.
There is no intrinsic value, so-called, but it's just value is what we define value as.
That's how I have always looked at crypto.
I mean, just look at what the US government has been doing, right?
Like, why is a dollar powerful?
Sure, there is a military backing it.
But at the same time, we perceive it as, we said, we define it as the global reserve.
Why is gold valuable?
Why isn't a different metal valuable?
It's because we perceive it as valuable.
It's the same shit with crypto.
crypto um so that's kind of my that's why i like um people so the cool thing about like joe and
So that's kind of my take on it.
That's why I like people.
and memes in general is you you probably get tons of dms that say hey can i promote your coin for
whatever they want some sort of form of income or token supply to actually talk about your project
but i think the cool thing is actual communities that are building and continue to build it out
that the end goal is to be big enough
to where they want to just own it to be a part of that mindshare right it's not you pay them it's
like they're now buying it because they want to be a part of that community so seeing communities
like joe builds day in day out comments everything i think you'll for sure get there yeah i appreciate
that man i mean it's been like obviously it's been tough like
i have spent a lot of time in this like so have our community members and like it's hard right
yeah oh yeah people don't realize right like you and why did you decide to do it do you regret it
at all slightly um i don't i don't i mean like do i wish i wasn't down like a hundred thousand
whatever like that like obviously i wish i wasn't down but for me it, whatever. Like that, like obviously I wish I wasn't down, but for me, it's more about like,
I don't want to let people down.
Like that's just how my personality is.
So I don't feel you a hundred percent.
I don't regret it because like,
if I show something to my friends at like $2 million market cap,
they bought in,
like I will fucking hold that till it's $2 market cap.
Like I will,
it's just,
I've made,
it's something I'm actively working on,
Like it wasn't like,
I saw this cool project. Like you want to buy this? I pitched this as, Hey, I've made, and like, it's something I'm actively working on, right? Like it wasn't like, oh, I saw this cool project.
Like you want to buy this?
I pitched this as, hey, like I see a future in this.
So like, I will not let people down because I committed, I told them I'm committed to
fill this out long-term.
So now I don't regret it.
Like I'm frustrated here and there, of course.
Like life happens, you get busy and then you come back.
Everyone is like, oh, where have you been?
Like, sorry, I was offline for six hours, you know?
But it's part of the process.
No regrets.
Yeah, just don't go offline.
I remember like in the early days of like Send It Token,
whenever I would go to bed, the token would drop.
And whenever I wake up, I'd go back up.
It's just, there's so many others just like that, right?
Yeah, yeah.
But I think it is worth it in the end and it's fun to be with with the community of people who are like-minded right and
you see people come and go right some people trade and they're in and out but it's the nature
it's really awesome to see so many people working for their bags um across joe and and other
ecosystem projects so i mean I think that's like,
maybe we can like talk about Bunk a bit.
That's what I love about the Bunk ecosystem, right?
Like when things get tough,
like communities, like you're in that chat,
like we're talking about,
hey, how do we help each other?
How do we push this forward and help all the communities versus,
oh, I don't want to talk about your coin.
That's going to take liquidity away.
That's not the mindset it should be.
Like the cake can get bigger and we can each get a smaller slice as the cake grows.
Not like, but I think the current space is more like, oh, the pie just keeps shrinking
and all like, and then people want a bigger piece of it, but it should be the other way
around, which I think is what Bunk is doing.
Yeah, I think so too.
It's actually really unique because I mean, i'm in quite a bit of group chats
too and really the group chats end up just being the same four or five people posting cas all day
and i'm actually or at least i was pretty good exit liquidity because if i post a ca i'm usually
the last one to hold the bag and then i'll sell it when it's zero and then watch it go back up
after i've already sold that's usually what happens all the time.
Oh, I'm the same way.
Like some of the guys I know in the space, people respect me because I never, ever use
anyone that does as exit liquidity.
Like maybe I'm just stupid.
But it's just not how I do it.
It's like, yeah, I've held so much shit.
Like someone puts it in one of our twin chats, like, oh, here's a CA.
You go, I'll go buy it.
And then like they dump on you literally instantly.
Like that is the culture I'm trying to eliminate, I guess.
Like, and I'm just not powerful.
Like that's part of why, like that's partially why I'm so committed to Joe
because I hate that the KOL, like you're a great KOL,
but you know how some of these guys are, right?
It's just, they're straight up just dumping on their followers nonstop.
We have to get rid of these guys where the space is cooked.
Like it's going to be.
I think I'm too retarded to do that.
Cause I'd be like, I have, I mean, I have a few wallets, but I'm not like, either I'm
too retarded or just like, can't even bring myself to do it just because I feel too bad.
I don't know.
Yeah, it's a rare quality these days, unfortunately.
The space of – I mean, the speed of the moral digression in the space
over the last like even two years has just been so extreme.
We used to like actually build, you know, I don't know.
It just – it sucks to see.
So that's why I kind of want to bring that positive culture back.
Like we really need it for the longer term health of just crypto in general.
Unless someone can tell me the next Cabal coin and when,
how it ends before it actually launches and I can buy like a little bit,
then I'd be down for it.
But hey, we're all here to make money.
Like I'm not trying to be like a hypocrite
but there is a balance right like yeah you don't want to be yeah that's the thing it's like if you
stick with something you stick with it so it sounds like you're sticking with joe like i'm
obviously going to stick with send it it's like you can't bring yourself to go build a new thing
every week and then just dilute it and and rotate that the capital into each and every other one um so c c c c to and joe so it
started out um the dev rock date you saw potential so i guess what went through what went through
your head when you decided to do that were you just like fuck it i could do this or i mean how
did that work was our whole team there was a whole team there were like seven eight of us there are
still like four of us remaining but then we added a couple of new guys but at the time it was very natural just like this makes so much sense it's like you're joe i'm joe
like we can literally the cool thing about joe is like you can make anything a joe or anyone a joe
right like we're all average humans at the end of the day it doesn't matter like jeff bezos at some
point in his life he was an average joe like everybody was so it's relatable and like we're
average joe on different aspects of life i guess like i can
crush it in crypto but suck at it somewhere else so i'm very average there you know um but like i'm
i guess i never had that like process of like hey i'm gonna like cto this be you know whatever it
was just very natural like it happened it was truly a group of guys came together saw the vision
started pushing it along the ways some of the guys fell off.
That's just the nature of the industry, right?
Then we went out and added a couple of guys that were very committed.
The cool thing initially about Joe, too, and the vision I had was
most coins are either a Western audience or an Asian audience, right?
I personally can, I'm fluent in Mandarin and like, I don't typically get involved
in the Chinese communities, not till Joe, but then when it came to Joe, I realized
it's holy shit.
Like this is literally a global narrative.
Anybody can get behind it in Chinese is like the translation is put on the
chalk, which is just like average directly average Joe, but everyone gets it
because it's normie.
Like that's what they're really trying to do.
So we're all normies.
But then, so I can introduce 0xClaire1.
He is our Chinese community lead
and he's been honestly like without him,
I would have been, I mean,
I would have still been around of course,
but like the frustration and mental health
would have been way worse for sure.
But he actually- Yeah, you need people helping helping you there's so much to it right like you have your your website all the art all the tweets engaging various communities
dealing with people saying why is the price going down people don't know how much effort like i have
honestly grown like i have so much more respect for people. Like a lot of them, like you, I have like Slit.
He is the Silt.
He is the one of the leads for, for Wong Chai, like Chinese Doge.
I see who else is in here.
I know like Sin for Hasiko, like he is that guy puts in so much work and like people just hate on devs.
Like the ones that are actually committed because prices are pumping.
And like you said, there are so many different things you need to do on content, on the website,
like building out, like we built a bot to like with the Joe, your image, basically,
like you can throw it into telegram and it will spit out a Joeified image, just little things like
that. People don't realize that like it costs time to like test these things out. It costs a lot of
money to actually pay people.
Not everyone is just going to keep working for free, right?
But yeah, there's just a lot that go into it,
so I have a lot of respect for anyone working on something long-term in this space.
It's difficult.
I see we got Navi, Yoshi, Dutch, which is Greg.
Corey's listening.
There's probably some others I don't see too.
There's quite a bit and it is crazy.
There really is so much time that goes into it.
But again, it's like,
it's not looking for like short-term gratification.
And I think you're kind of at the same,
on the same page as me is it's not doing this for a week.
And then if number goes down a little bit, it's like, okay,
I guess we failed.
Let's pack up and let's relaunch a different one it's more like hey it's it's down temporarily i mean actually that's the best part about memes is you look at even like nubcat it's
not a bonk coin just an og solana token it's one of my favorites and they have been through
absolute hell for the longest time and their x count keeps on getting suspended but
had an insane run up and then it's been like a huge 90 plus correction for the longest time
before it's coming back and i think that's where the strongest communities and mean communities
obviously kind of thrive in of who's going to last through that first 90 downtrend and that's
where the strong ones survive and come out of yeah 100 i mean it's just it's
like anything else in life you gotta just keep pushing like you can't just give up and like for
me honestly i just don't respect people like that like what is like you don't run away when things
get tough it's just not how i am and this is how yeah it's just how it is for me it's a personal i
think it's more just like a personality thing too, I think.
So if I just,
just put like 500,000 into the chart
and everyone will be really happy.
Yeah, I mean,
that's what everyone really wants,
Then I get it.
I could put this up,
but it's like,
then what?
You literally just dunk on me
and then what?
I hand over,
I transfer.
But then you'll be the,
you'll be the chief Joe.
You'll be like,
we'll call you big Joe after that. Big Joee has 95 of the supply from yeah why not um so hey real quick so
if you're in the space and you have a question for for joe um just type it in the comments and i'll
read a couple in the next like 15 minutes or so just write any questions you have or if you just want to say something type it out um so let's get into to why bonk you kind of brought it up a little bit but
how come not launch your own token on like a pump and why cto this like if you already had kind of
a group why did you decide okay let's cto this instead of launching your own token all together um so this was well i guess multiple part question hey this was a cto so i never even
had the thought process of like doing it on pomper um believe or whatever but for the reason i am i
have been a honestly like i have lost a lot of money not buying these pump tokens i actually sold my troll and stuff because i was again i can be a little bit emotional um because i base my decisions
on i guess principles a little too much sometimes um for me like pump honestly like they did a great
innovation like they obviously pushed the space forward like you can anyone can make a token um but then over time i
have just kind of seen things behind the scenes too much um the extractions the the you know the
drone system of faking all these wallets and stuff i won't get too much into that but i just don't
morally support that platform um so i kind of like was already on bunk um well for the biggest reason
of not just extracting, right?
It's not giving back to the ecosystem.
And this is partially why we're seeing on-chain liquidity being so low.
Because over time, everything is extracted and nothing is put back in the system.
So once PUNK...
It's sent to Kraken where the Kraken coins will thrive.
Yeah, right?
It's just like this cycle could could be very different if pump acted
differently um so i guess like part of it is just i hate what they have done um and how little they
have given back so when funk introduced um the cto rewards and like lp rewards for for creators
it was just a no-brainer for me it's like okay these guys clearly like of course like they want
to make money too.
I'm not saying bunker a bunch of like saints
or like, you know,
but they at least are bringing the correct culture back
and the mechanism of like,
hey, let's make money,
but also give back to the ecosystem.
So this becomes a positive feedback loop,
not one where everyone becomes just sucked dry.
And then I am a, I i guess i'm a well holder
in a few of the tokens the bunk tokens so i met a lot of the guys in the ecosystem too so i could
like immediately feel a difference like in communications like everyone is super friendly
and like actively trying to help each other um and i can't say the same about some of the bunk
actors pump actors i have um come across so yeah i mean that's some of the bunk actors, pump actors I have come across.
So yeah, I mean, that's kind of the reason why I'm a bunk.
So Joe aside, what are your favorite bunk tokens
that you also have?
I have a lot of Hasiko.
I have a decent quarry bag.
I'm very bullish on Nyla because like these guys i know you guys had a
space um recently i mean they're just they're just chads that are building a sick product that
i'm fully behind i bought like once i talk to them more i ended up i'm at my like 0.8 or something i
have a pretty decent bag like i want honestly every time i talk to them more i want to buy more
and then send it because you are actually one of the few KOLs that I respect because I see what you do, right?
Like you are actually sticking with this.
You're not just using people as exit liquidity.
And like you're trying to build something longer term.
I'm just going to hit 100 million market cap so I can full send Hitler it.
That's all I'm like wanting to do, okay?
Yeah, that's actually the real plan with Joe.
I'm just waiting.
And then I'm really bullish on We wechat doge launch hey they so i use i have used uh wechat right like which is basically an all-in-one app in china on the in the biggest
market in the world aka china the biggest app there so it's literally the biggest app in the
world essentially so and launch hey doge or wechat doge is the biggest meme there. So it's literally the biggest app in the world, essentially. So, and OneChai Doge, or WeChat Doge,
is the biggest meme on that platform.
Like, every Chinese person knows what it is.
So I just don't see how people fade that.
So those are, I know people are going to be mad at me
because I know I have other bags that I just not,
hasn't hit my head yet.
That's, no, I mean, whatever your bags are,
that's the hardest thing
it's like you want to have everything because you see so i i mean we get showed new tickers and
stuff every day of what to buy and it's like yeah that's really cool i like it i don't know
keep up man like we're too old for this now i think which is crazy like you're probably yeah
yeah we're probably still my age i feel so well. Well, I'm going to be 17 in October.
You're two years older than me.
Never mind.
Yeah, yeah.
Did I say 17?
I meant seven.
But yeah, I'm actually talking to Wang Che.
We're going to talk with them next Wednesday.
So I'm excited to see that too.
I really love the Chinese communities.
And it seems like Bonk has quite a bit strong
Chinese communities. It started out with, well, I don't know if it started out with Icon and that
kind of went sideways initially, but it's cool to see a lot of Chinese communities building on Bonk.
They're like the most humble, nicest people ever. Back when I was like with Socialify,
I was big with Frientech and stuff. There was no better communities than the Chinese communities, I think.
Oh yeah. It's, it's crazy.
Like I have seen firsthand, like how hard they work and like,
they just believe and like, they're not here.
Like they don't panic either. Like, which is great.
I've seen some of the other, you know, it was just like, Oh,
it's you people panic within an hour.
I don't know how you're supposed to build anything with community members
like that.
But yeah, I mean, I think the other, like, Bunk is going to do a really good job integrating the Asian communities. Like, they're already doing a good job.
And I think long term, they're going to win because, like, the East is much, much bigger than people expected or than people think.
And I believe China will unlock a lot of liquidity in the next 12 to 24 months.
Like they're going to do some major changes to the space.
So that kind of gives a good kind of pivot or question to where do you think
the market, like the market as a whole, so not just Bonk specifically,
we can take it as a two-part question.
So where do you think the market's going as a whole by end of the year, maybe longer term,
throughout the new administration even?
Do you have a bullish outlook
or kind of think choppy, crabby?
Yes, I am very bullish.
Because I think, and I've been even telling my friends
this for a few years now, they think I'm crazy.
But I believe the master plan here is swapping the system
and financially engineering our way out of the debt crisis. years now they think i'm crazy but i believe the master plan here is swapping the system
and financially engineering our way out of the debt crisis like we're gonna just devalue everything through stables and bitcoin and the i think the us government is going to end up owning a
or they already own a ton of bitcoin that we don't know about and they're going to keep adding to
that balance sheet and over time they can use that to offset our so-called liabilities,
right? Like there are assets, like Bitcoin keeps going up and fiat keeps getting devalued. And
that's how we get our, basically print our way out of the debt crisis and essentially swap the
system to a state, like crypto-based system versus fiat-based. So whether it's, I mean,
short-term, very bullish, there are obviously going to be some like
correction and i am definitely a bit worried about the u.s status as a global leader in general but
that's not going to affect crypto from going up it's not going to be good for the average american
i think longer term but you know it's our prices will keep going up and um yeah i mean i think so
goes for 300 plus this leg like and i was saying leg. And I was saying this when we had that correction down to, well, 180 or whatever.
And I have some friends that are, well, I have a friend that's pretty close to the Trump family, I guess.
And, you know, I heard things.
Joe's hearing things.
Hearing things. Hearing pretty legitimate things. Yeah, I don't
know. I'm kind of with you. I'm a permable. So since being in the space since 2016 and
having tons of ups and tons of downs and ups and downs, right? And just round tripping everything and learning a lot as you go.
I think that's the cool thing.
I mean, Pump definitely did bring a lot of new people.
Moonshot definitely brought a lot of new people.
I think, though, that Bonk could also capture bringing a lot of new people,
but having them stay because they're sticking with something.
So I can't remember who brought it up, but this is a few spaces ago. They said the hard part is if it's someone's very first crypto interaction as they buy a token and then instantly their net worth
evaporates um and it doesn't go anywhere then they're probably never going to come back um yeah
so but having a community that sticks around and people actually active and chatting and it's just
knowing that it's like a short-term thing not uh just uh hey we peaced out after a day we
got our money yeah i think that's where bonk will excel because and then that's honestly the vision
i have for for joe is just like it's i guess kind of like those nft communities where you just chat
and then someone needs help with something you can like connect like you meet through the community
and then you end up becoming friends like this is what crypto like did for me like i have some like close in real life friends now because we met through crypto we met up they
helped me like in whatever aspects of life and then you know we help each other like that's what
to me what essential like that's the power of decentralization one is that peer-to-peer value
exchange and that's not just this is not just financial value exchange right is you get to
meet someone that you would have never met like i think that's the cool thing to me about crypto
too but you get to meet people from all over the world like i have met guys that are like
pretty high up like in the finance space or whatever but they're super friendly
no i i do need to meet him but uh his ex-pluscy um that guy that guy is he's not even scared of uh
dumping on trump so he's uh he's that guy's ruthless but yeah i mean it's just cool like
the space i think you can meet anyone in any profession and then you get you can become
friends and like help each other but now it's impossible to trust anyone because everyone is
a fucking scammer you know that's that's the culture i want to help shift no dude it's actually really hard i
have um i mean there's some people that message you with ca they said hey we're gonna get into
this you should buy some and then it's like oh yeah i'll buy it and then i bought i i didn't buy
much i bought like two soul worth and then as soon as i bought they literally sent it off of
gulag i was like really you you guys could
have probably got a lot more out of me than two soul like have you had you like a couple more
days these guys is like hey if you're gonna be a scammer at least have some ambition like go for
a little more yeah go go for like 20 or 30k i know who know who you're talking to you're not not rich
but i'm gonna definitely ape more than two soul into whatever this shit coin is that you just sent me yeah man people are idiots i have a
chat where it's like so many of the you know big names are in there and like and then people are
just farming each other it's crazy i probably there's a chat i lost i did the math like not
too long ago i lost like 400k in there it's just buying people's shit damn that's 400k that you
were going to put into Joe too.
I know, right?
And additional-
The real reason why it's in the shitter
is because I'm poor now, I keep getting rugged.
I'm kidding, well, kind of.
So I think you brought up a good point earlier.
So without the context, so Bonk has gone down, right?
Like, it had an amazing run up and then it went down
and then the volume across the
board has dried up significantly not even just on bonkiko but literally all across the board on
chain volume is is just pretty horrible um today is probably one of the the first good signs of
things kind of coming back and i think it's kind of if you look at the i kind of it's kind of a meme
but like the what's the coin market like cycle like the euphoria disbelief you know what i'm
talking about like that chart yep i think that's what we're kind of looking at for on chain too
like we hit peak euphoria then some denial then like hey it'll be back and i think right now we're
just kind of rebuilding up to toward believing again so if you look at bonk specifically i think it's going to take a lot
of that on chain volume and um it's going to be one of the top runners obviously i'm biased because
most of my my bags are bonk specifically but i also have plenty of non-bonk or just og soul
tokens too so that that's more of a comment, I guess,
for anyone who has bags that look like they are the Titanic
and falling in the water.
If you just see that your community you're in is active,
loud, and posting still, even when the price is down,
like they don't give a shit about price,
I think those are the ones you want to continue sticking with
because they'll probably be good when it turns around.
I mean, I think this is just a test for the real communities right like i honestly there were some coins i thought
like i was very bullish on that they just ended up like completely dead because communities just
ran away um so i think you look for the communities that are still active despite being down 90 percent
and then when liquidity returns i think people just just forget, right? Like this PTSD works.
I mean, it's just human psychology, I guess.
Like people forget when things run, like in a week, they're going to, they can like, these
memes can 510x literally in a week so fast.
Like when liquidity gets crazy, people are feeling the wealth effect, like feeling rich.
Shit just goes crazy.
Like I just, I think people forget that because the PTSD has been so bad.
But once the liquidity, like liquidity cascade works both ways like when things get silly they get really silly and one thing that goes back goes down bad they go down 95 like it's just
the nature of the space yeah i mean if you look at lots of altcoins across the board
if you go back to like majors bitcoin everything has gone up since this but if you
look at um let's see maybe i'm completely wrong but april yeah so like november 2024 that was the
peak for everything right and then we just had a big correction everything went down about what 70
and i think that was like the first leg
so if you look at that stupid chart that's like hey there's like four four steps up i think that
was the first kind of big leg and now we're making our way up to leg two and leg three to where um
how high everything is going to go is kind of this isn't even a word but incomprehensible of
where alts should be going and i don't think it's going to be years away.
I think it's like within the next six months,
things will return to just,
it's going to be a euphoric stage beyond what anyone has ever had before.
They thought 2021 was good because it was all,
everything pumped across the board.
But I think we'll have something like that, but better in the next six months.
Yeah. I guess we didn't cover macro earlier, but, but I'm not a macro economist by any means.
But what I do is I do listen to every single Fed speech every time.
I listen to it for the last five years.
And the Fed has had two mandates for decades, maximum unemployment and low 2% inflation.
And they just threw 2% inflation target out of the room.
Like, I don't think people realize the significance of that.
I don't think they have done something this radical,
or not radical, but like this significant, I guess,
since 2020 when they announced we're buying back junk bonds,
you know, to protect these shit companies
that should have failed anyways.
But that's what partially what pumped so much liquidity
into the capital markets. And that's why stocks went stupid, things that should have failed anyways but that's what partially what pumps so much liquidity into the capital markets and that's why stocks went stupid things that should
have died um i think the government is basically like yeah we don't care like we have to get out
of this we'll inflate it away and that means all assets moon and crypto is a new market where
wall street can make the most money and extract the most so they're gonna pump shit up beyond
imaginable level i think but maybe when you and I just bolt hards.
There's a good chance of that.
Yeah, but I haven't really lost,
you don't really lose unless you sell, right?
Like I've had, and I usually sell it at the very bottom
if I sell anything.
So let's talk about some fun stuff, I guess.
So what do you think the current meta is right now
or upcoming meta?
That's a good question. I think we kind of might...
I think there is going to be some going back to utility in the sense,
like, it can't just be pure memes that are just pumping and dumping.
I do think we see some, like, shift back to utility a little bit.
And then we're going to just go back to, like, communities that are actually active that are actually active and like there's it's a good meme or there's a good
narrative and communities like stayed active for you know relatively long um where maybe that's
what i'm hoping for um but i think after all the extractions and how much people got scammed there
is a i guess everyone wants to go back to the whole culture but
things are falling apart so people want it but it's not happening which means like
the leaders the big names like they need to make it happen
yeah i think it if you kind of think about how high everything went like we haven't really had a
like a peanut popcat mudang like all of those
type of run like we had in end of 2024 and then at the tail end of that you had the the orangey
la vape cabal um aiden ross etc getting their coin and then you have the trump and then everything
else so i think we were due for like a pretty big fucking reset across the board and that's
where we've had a lot of consolidated pumps.
And that's kind of the problem is someone,
first time ever buying crypto like that,
gets into something like that,
they lose their maybe like $1,000.
That's a ton of money to them.
That's all they ever had.
And they're just never coming back, right?
So if we can, it's almost been,
I think going to be a year here coming up from that last time and i
think it's kind of enough time for things to get more fun on chain again and i think we'll have
multiple multiple billion dollar runners on chain um like we did previously i agree yeah again it's
just when things get silly they get really silly and people just forget it is the ptsd and it's good to take profit
though still like i get it like you gotta take profit you gotta buy pokemon cards you gotta
order doordash and stuff right like you gotta pay for things yeah i heard pokemon card being
much better investment than my coin so yeah i don't know about it that's the craziest thing
about it it's just like that's so when i was getting into the next meta and stuff it's hard to keep up with all the
acronyms so there's like the internet capital markets and now there's um streamer capital
markets I don't I have given up it's just they're just memes wrapped around in fancy names like
that's what they are.
Do you think Bonk's doing anything with streaming?
I know they have, like, the kick thing.
Or have you looked into any of that?
Or do you think that's, like, the next wave of meta that's coming up?
I do think that's going to happen.
But, I mean, I'm hoping streaming can be more as, like, a secondary, like, a support system for existing memes.
Well, not existing, but, like, for memes, if that makes sense. It's, it's like a different way of shilling it and like talking to people and whatnot. Like, I also, I feel like a boomer, but I'm not really into the streaming
stuff. So I can't like answer that properly. Um, but I am 14. You should be, you should know all
about streaming. Yeah. I'm a boomer, 14 year old. Um, yes. If if Bonk did that's kind of the thing
so if additional utility opened up
and if I knew it could help
like send it for example
or if you know something you'd help Joe
I would likely probably do it
just to help out so I probably wouldn't
be full on docs streaming
but I can set up a V2
avatar and
gamble all day on Luck.io and give away money to people,
right? So I'm sure you'd do something similar to that. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, like, for example,
like Nyla is a good example. I think it's just cool that I can send money to some random Twitter
handle. Like, that's a real utility. And that naturally helps me, like, if I want to show Joe,
I can just be like, hey, send Joe to someone.
Like, those are the projects that I think are going to, like, the projects that can help build communities.
Like, I guess I'm bullish on the projects that can help build communities and the communities that are actually active and, like, stick through the bad times and whatnot.
Nyla is my favorite Ball and Kiko project and has been for, guess since I've known about it so there's tons of great ones but that one if you're looking for like a utility
tech play yeah I'm totally with you
there so we have
about 10 minutes left I'm going to invite
people on stage so if you want to come up on
just get requests
the whole purpose of this
you don't have to feel apologetic to show your
coin that you like or the token you're in
you can come up talk about it we'll learn about it um and you could even ask a question to to
vibe and joe if you want to and don't be afraid to talk no one will make fun of you too bad
except for froggy i see him up here maybe he will but go ahead and request and I'll start bringing people up.
And let's see, Jojo.
All right, let's bring up him and Jojo.
Jojo, you can start first and then him you can go after.
Can everyone hear me all right?
Yep, you're good.
Yes, Jojo.
Not really any questions.
Just wanted to say that I'm super appreciative of Joe and the community as a whole, especially Vibe, who's been out here day by day, just constantly pushing content, contacting different
I mean, like he was always letting us know that he was constantly working on the project
when Cadence, you know, started giving us more visibility as well.
It was something that completely blew my mind.
So just want to say I'm really grateful for the bonk ecosystem for vibe and for being an average joe because without that i probably would have uh
lost a lot more money in this last few months hey man i appreciate that like honestly like not to be
cringy but you guys are the people i i ride my ass off it's really cool to get that validation
of like hey this means something for people and that's the essence of what we're trying to build is creating a community
where people can come and like believe in something and like help each other.
It's, you know, we're all just average O's.
Definitely, definitely.
I just want to say my two top coins on the Bonk ecosystem right now
would have to be Joe and AOL.
AOL was such a trip for me just because of the fact that I had,
I was just reading through the replies. You got so many young brains in there that are like, what the fuck is AOL was such a trip for me just because of the fact that I had, I was just reading through
the replies.
You got so many young brains in there that are like, what the fuck is AOL?
And it makes me realize how each year a new wave of traders comes onto the platform, essentially
just boosting liquidity and just great.
That's just great on my end.
AIM was great.
I used that for my CS 1.6 group i think back in the day like all my friends
used aim and then my other friends used msn messenger event only so my mom had an aol man i
i wasn't around he was using aol before he was born actually yeah i said i was 17 but i'm actually
14 too um no thanks joe for saying that appreciate
you and yeah i've i've seen aol shield plenty in the the thing so if you're connected with the team
you should have them reach out to me to help on one of these spaces one day oh i can reach out to
ogla um he i should have given them a shout out like but they all they don't even need me i'm just
you know they're like that team is gonna they're gonna do great but i can't hear i can help you uh put in put in
contact with them yeah yeah we're booked out for like we have 30 people lined up but that'd be
good to get them um what's up joe not jojo but just normal joe yeah joe hey hey why how are you
hey good man good to see you yeah like i'm sitting here just remembering our first vc
some weeks ago and we were just like six guys in that chat when we decided to push it and everyone was like, okay, hey, we need another name than Joe.
We can't call everyone Joe.
So that was kind of funny.
And just coming on here to talk about my experience and how I see this community because it's a way I never grinded in crypto before.
I was just like early in Solana and from 2021 and just ride that wave.
So kind of spent a lot of much capital away in the meme coin run and kind of trying to build
everything up again. But I found that it's really hard to do that if you're alone.
And the guys we were talking about earlier now, it's just becoming friends and I have that same experience
when I'm kind of want to learn new things in the space.
And that comes to like just simple tweeting and how to do stuff and just kind of connecting with other Joes
have been very helpful for me as a person to like to go into everything
and feel like I'm not alone. So really nice to be here. Awesome. Thanks, man. Yeah, that's the
best part about like actual that's that was one of the great things with NFT communities. And
I'm sure there's a few like I know Froggy always Froggy, even if his pudgy penguin NFT went to like
100 ETH, he would still probably never sell it
and i'd be there saying froggy you dude just sell it and like rebrand yourself like draw yourself
your own penguin but he probably wouldn't but that's like the strength of having a really
really strong community it's like you just want to be a part of it and not not leave so exactly
it's like people pay for a country club for absurd prices but you want to be a part of that
community because that brings other
opportunities or whatever it may be.
It's just,
Go back to you.
I'll shut up now.
I'll let people.
you're great.
Prince Venus.
What's up,
how's everybody going today?
It's doing good.
How are you?
Fantastic.
First off, Joe, good stuff, man.
We've had minimal interaction on another chat where we're working on some fun stuff with like Linos AI and some other things like that.
So pumped to work a little bit with those guys and kind of, you know, get some things moving in the ecosystem and keep everything where it should be.
But I don't know if you guys have heard of us yet. We've been heads down, kind of grinding, slowly community building and stuff.
Got a few partnerships coming up. Anyway, so essentially we're Prince Venus. We're the oil
baron of Bonk. Our main goal is to get the price of Venus to the price of Brent as it is right now.
Our main goal is to get the price of Venus to the price of Brent as it is right now.
We've run a few competitions and paid out the winners in actual price of oil barrels, which is kind of funny.
It's just something fun to do.
We have a website.
It's venus.bid where you can, if you look at the profile picture, you can Venusify your profile picture.
It's an AI generated, kind of implements yours into a Venus style picture,
which is cool. And you can create your own AI generated memes on there. It's got a ticker for
the price of, for Brent as well. But yeah, so our main goal is to burn, burn as much Venus as
possible. So we've slowly, we haven't announced too much in our community yet either,
but we've slowly started locking up
and wrapping a ton of our tokens
and all the yield will be going to buy back
and burn Venus.
So the main goal here is just community build,
burn and let the community thrive
and just kind of live off the fat of the
land. You know, the more the merrier. I like the little hat. What is it called? It's not a hat,
right? Is it called a shawl? Is it called a hat? Is it called a cape? What's on his head?
Let's go with cape because this man's a superhero. You're not done seeing him. So
we've been grinding pretty hard. No, I've seen him a lot, actually.
Yeah, I've seen it plenty.
So why did you guys choose Bonk?
Where else would you want to be, honestly?
Yeah, there's so many launch pads.
It's so funny because there is so many freaking launch pads,
and some of them are just like no one's launching on them.
So I don't know how anyone would do it, but Bonk would be my go-to too so yeah for sure uh like i've i've got a lot of really close ties to some people
that are deep in the the bonk ecosystem and i was actually the first thing i ever bought in crypto
this will tell you how short of amount of time i've been in crypto was actually bonk um and
i've been holding ever since and it's just nothing but Bonk ECO for me.
I've ventured out of it and nothing is as welcoming community oriented than what we have here right now.
So it's just I'm glad to be here and I'm glad, like I said, working with like Joe and messing around with Tonic and Send It and stuff like that. And working with some of the other projects
and the Bonk Eco is just, it's eye-opening.
You get to see what everybody else is doing.
You get to kind of implement what they're doing
in your project, help them with their project
all while everyone thrives.
So it's just, it's a win-win, you know,
like everyone says, win and help win.
And that's essentially what it's been going on here.
I'm just pumped to be a part of it and,
and glad to get the voice out for Prince Venus too, man.
Awesome. I'll check it out.
That's the one of my favorite parts about hosting these spaces with Bonk
in turn is just learning about all the tokens in the ecosystem.
Cause it says, well, I guess it's having doing send it and being part of that
CTO team for what seems like forever,
because it's day in, day out, endless hours.
It's just you really respect people that come up on stage
or are building out some things beyond just a 24-hour hump and dump.
So super special.
So I actually do check out every single project that does come up here,
and I buy some of the token, whether it's only 100 bucks or not um i think that sometimes it's best to just buy a little amount of of anything
because then you forget about it if it's not really a super meaningful amount of money and
then one day it could be something so that's what i'd recommend for anyone on here who has
side capital to throw at coins by anyone who's willing to put their balls out here and talk on the spaces like Mr. Venus.
I appreciate you guys having me, man.
Mayor, you're the last person I'm going to bring up real quick,
and then we'll wrap up.
I swear you changed your PFP right before I did all this.
Maybe not.
What's up, Mayor?
So how's everyone doing?
Doing good.
Do you have a question or what's... I just wanted to talk about the project that I've been really involved in
that's in the Bonk Ego.
Yeah, what is it?
That's awesome.
So I don't know if you guys heard of Monkey the Picasso.
Actually, yeah, I've heard quite a bit about Monkey the Picasso.
Yeah, so for those who haven't heard about it,
so this is like a really multi-talented, cute dog.
He has Hollywood credits.
He's a real trained actor.
He played as Merlin in Call of Duty,
multiple commercials in global news and magazines. He knows how to do like really amazing tricks.
He's painted many figures like Cristiano Ronaldo, SpaceX, a Ferrari, a Cybertruck,
and he was even shouted out on the official Cybertruck account and even one of the
paintings sold for like 15 grand. Elon Musk has liked the post many times so definitely good like
public exposure. He's even been featured on the Joe Rogan podcast and he's really been blowing up on TikTok. He has like 7 million likes, 85 or 86,000 followers.
And the community is like really relentless.
Like they're really pushing this project.
We even had like the X account.
It was like suspended.
I don't know why.
And then like the admins, like they got right to win made like a
whole nother account and yeah i think the support's really well and um no i think it's really good
it's on the eco for bonk yeah i i've so yeah i like that you came up and said that because i've
been shield monkey a ton but i've never looked at it because i always thought that was the monkey
with a phone that i mean i actually looked it up and it's the golden retreat
or not the golden it's a god i'm an idiot it's the shepherd um with that's crazy he's actually
throwing all that shit you wouldn't actually think that's true um no that's that's cool if
you're connected with the team you should have them come up on spaces because i'd like to learn
more about monkey as well.
But, so we're going to wrap up here.
Thanks, Miriam, for talking.
What's up, Josh? Sorry, can I do one last thing?
Yeah, please.
Can we, I just replied to the Space Chat,
but Joe, we're currently doing a two-week-long giveaway.
It's not like a ton of money.
It's a dollar.
It will be like $1 to $10, depends on how you do it. But it's literally just you like a ton of money. It's a dollar. It will be like one to $10.
It depends on like how you do it.
But it's literally just you take a picture
of wherever you are in the world
and you put your Photoshop Joe in there.
It's just like, where have you seen Joe?
That is our campaign.
I know like 10 bucks might not be a lot to some of us,
but you know, it could help an average Joe
somewhere in the world.
So just want to give that a shout out.
You guys can check it out.
I put it under the space chat.
That's awesome.
I'm kind of retarded.
You know how people can pin stuff to the space chats?
I was hoping you would know because I don't.
No, you'd think as a super famous episode six space hoster,
I could do that, but I can't yet.
Maybe by the next episode,
I'll figure it out.
I see it in the comments.
So what he said,
they're doing a giveaway
and put a picture of yourself in the world.
it doesn't have to be yourself,
It can just be.
it's just,
it could be like the beach somewhere.
It could be your job,
like in some city.
It doesn't matter.
Like you don't need to be in it.
It's just kind of showing like we're global. Like is like people have sent it from china hong kong
you know like all over we have guys that's shared from turkey from south africa like
wherever you are like just post it hashtag um like instructions are all there and then we'll
come give you an airdrop awesome well that's epic thanks babe um well we're gonna wrap up five
thanks so much
for spending an hour out of your day to come talk. Everyone else who came up on stage, Venus,
Mayer, thank you so much for coming up. And it's good to learn more about Joe. It's always fun to
learn the background of where things come. And obviously, if you're going to bet on Bonk Eco,
Joe would probably want to bet on as well. I don't think Vibe's going anywhere. And it sounds like
he's a big brain
that has enough time
and has a good team behind him
to keep pushing it.
If you're not familiar with Sendit,
that's another co-host on here.
You could check that out.
Sendit's about sending all tokens
on Bonk specifically.
So also grinding in day in, day out.
And there's a ton of great
Bonk Eco projects in the comments,
some of which we're going to be interviewing
in the next couple of weeks.
So thanks so much for tuning in, everyone.
We'll talk to you on Thursday.
Appreciate your time, Hero.
Let's fucking go.
Let's Bonk.
Let's go. Thank you.