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🀄️Mahjong Sessions #78 @SkaleNetwork
Recorded: April 9, 2025 Duration: 3:00:12Space Recording
Short Summary
In the latest episode of Mahjong Sessions, the crypto community gathered to discuss the importance of building during bear markets, the significance of community engagement, and the exciting developments in Web3 gaming. Key highlights included the upcoming Token event in Dubai, innovative projects launching on Scale, and the emphasis on education and user retention strategies.
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I feel like finally, after a long, long travel,
finally got back in Malaysia, grounded for at least three weeks
before every one of us head over to Token, Dubai.
But three weeks in Malaysia, man us head over to Token Dubai.
But three weeks in Malaysia, man, I miss my desk low-key.
Like, I feel like it's so foreign.
All of a sudden, I forget where I put different things on my desk.
But it's good.
Finally, not working on a laptop, but you have, like, big screens.
I figure that every one of you guys here travel,
you understand how it feels like.
But first off, got to check in with the man.
We co-hosted this Spaces together with OC.
Will, how are you doing, GM bro?
I love being on Spaces.
I'm not aiming, being an extroverted introvert,
observing what's happening in Hong Kong right now.
I just want to chill back in my PJs,
have my tea, hang out with you guys, videos on i totally hear you brother dude i i mean like i'm not too sure how you do it but uh web3 festival
hong kong how is it so far tell us a little bit i think it's running um it took us you know less
than 12 minutes 12 hours to put together but um know, Sian, Jonah and the crew are running really well
with the Pudgy Penguin folks.
And, you know, they've obviously been, you know,
such a big, you know, important part of our journey.
So, you know, I will review the photos and, you know,
videos and audios after this.
But, you know, we also need to take the stake right now on digital.
I feel like my whole highlight is just watching videos on Instagram,
showing people that, hey, you know,
apparently Vitalik can speak very good Mandarin.
And when I was listening to it, I was like, holy shit.
He speaks even better than mine.
Like, mine is just like level one general conversation.
But his
is talking about technology and
blockchain. I was like, shit, alright, Vitalik
definitely knows.
And I was telling my friend this,
and apparently he has this, like, gold
visa traveling thing to Taiwan.
He's, like, a,
I don't know, like a special guest in Taiwan.
So, apparently that shows
this guy know his Mandarin now.
But Edwin, you had your hand raised.
What's up, bro?
Hey, bro.
Yo, check, check.
How are you guys?
I'm at the event.
I'm at the party event.
So you're going to say hi to you guys.
I'm stuck in the event.
I was looking for a place more quiet, but I think this is the best spot I've got so far.
Bro, you're making me FOMO, dude.
Dude, you're making me FOMO.
Yeah.
Yeah, we're just taking a photo
with the PUBG mascot just now,
and we are talking to Yates now,
and yeah, the Animoto brand,
you know, everybody's here.
You may sell some fun here, bro.
Awesome, awesome.
Dude, I thought the event ended like 9 p.m., right?
Is it still popping?
Yeah, everybody's still around.
They're just like eating, you know, chilling.
I think probably last for a few hours before we finish.
Nobody want to leave that.
I think it's the last day of the conference
where everybody's going to get crazy.
Okay, I've been already seeing so much synergy
with OC, Animoca Brands, Paji.
And today we have a lot of, you know,
I would say Paji builders, Paji PFP here.
Dude, you guys are taking over the stage, man.
We have Nat, we have Sook, we have Xiao
all wrapping the Paji.
And you guys are taking over the stage.
Nat, what's up?
GM, brother.
How are you doing?
GM, GM, Pew.
I'm good, man.
How are you doing?
Thanks for having me, man.
I'm good, bro.
No problem.
Are you in Hong Kong or you're stuck back in Bangkok, dude?
No, no.
I'm in Bangkok.
I wasn't in Hong Kong.
We have a CBW before.
I met you there, man.
But Thailand is good.
It's getting really hot.
And I think I'm just ready for this topic tonight about education.
I'm so bullish on that.
So thanks again for having me, brother.
No, man.
Every time when I talk about education and builders in, I would say, builders in Asia,
and builders in, I would say, builders in Asia,
I do look at you because I see you doing presentations,
going to universities, doing so much in there, right?
So let's get started.
I feel like today we have tons of great builders.
Very excited to deep dive.
Not just asking you guys, how do we build in the bear?
But what you guys have been up to,
what is education means for you, and we build in the bear, but what you guys have been up to,
what does education means for you,
and especially education in Web3, right?
So, Nat, over to you.
I know you since a while, since back in the days
when we're pushing so many different stuff from ICP
to all of these different things.
And I think one thing good that I see that you've been doing
is actually teaching people
about education, right? So you have, you know, GM Learning Club, where it's just going out there,
educating people on how they come into blockchain, especially in countries like Malaysia,
I would say, or Thailand or Vietnam, these countries lack of education. So maybe you could
share a little bit more in terms of what inspired you to be like,
hey, you know, I want to push education in Thailand.
Tell me more about that story, dude.
All right.
Thank you so much, Pew.
I love that question.
I think that's something that I really want to tell a lot of people.
Because I've been through university, been through education.
But one thing I've realized about education is probably the same in many places.
It's so slow, man.
And crypto is so fast.
And, you know, like these three, four years that we've been building together, there and booths and they keep changing.
So for the education, you have to wait for something, I don't know, to approve a lot of things.
And we cannot wait for something, I don't know, to approve a lot of things and we cannot wait for that.
So that's why I start GM Club,
go to teach at university,
asking the professor,
hey, can I have an hour
or semester or something?
So at least,
at least the student,
they can be aware
what's going on
on outside,
on the blockchain.
And maybe they're going to like it,
maybe they're not going to like it,
but at least they're good to know, man.
And this is what I'm trying to build
it man. See you brother.
Damn okay tell me
more you talking to all those
people in the universities asking
them for an hour and then you going there
and sharing how is the feedback for like
students or people learning about blockchain
does it pick their interest is
there always like you know people wanting to learn
but just because they do not have the chance to learn and finally when they're able to learn they'll be like shit
i'm hooked i'm gonna be a dj right now dude uh this is best in thailand and i'm the second world
country i mean i'm proud of it people gonna ask how can i get rich quick man so that that's the
question i was like fuck okay, okay. All right.
Well, there's a lot of things.
There's a lot of things going on.
There's a good thing.
You can hear my son cry in the background.
That's just the music of your ears, okay?
No worries, no worries.
That's the background music, dude.
Yeah, you're a daddy now, bro.
Yeah.
So people are going to try to make the rich quick,
but we have to tell them that,
hey, it's not always good luck in that.
It's many sides, rich people, failed people, poor people, a lot of things. So I think the first thing that I try to tell them that blockchain is about technology.
And if you want to get rich quick, maybe not like that because you have to be really good in a lot of things.
Quick, maybe not like that because you have to be really good in a lot of things.
So they're interested in blockchain,
but it's still more about the money than the technology,
than the NFC, than the communities.
I think we still need a lot of proof of concept
that we can make technology and help them in education
rather than just speculation for now, man.
Back to you, brother.
All right, got it.
Thank you so much for that.
I saw Sook non-stop with the emoji.
You know, emoji will catch my attention.
So Sook, how are you doing checking in?
GM, GM.
I love to meet you.
GM, Suke, Will, Nat, all the amazing legends.
Thank you for inviting me to the spaces.
Yep, so I think same question to you, right? all the amazing legends. Thank you for inviting me to the spaces. Yep.
So I think same question to you, right?
How do we build in the bear?
The people that I met or even you,
we've been through the boo, the bear,
back to the boo, back to the bear, right?
So like, especially for you,
I would say, you know, season builders
that is on the space,
you know, work with multiple projects before, whether it's marketing, whether it's consulting.
Like, what do you think is the best way?
Or right now, what would be your focus in terms of pushing out, I would say, bear-proof plan or strategies that will last?
And one thing that comes to my mind is always about education, right?
So, love to get your, you get your knowledge in terms of this.
Yeah, I think I really don't care what kind of market it is.
I feel that definitely I feel the sentiment like it's all over my CT.
But I feel like it's a constant thing.
It's a consistent thing, right?
You always show up like no matter what,
and you see the same people over and over again in your timeline. And it's really all about
building in the public. I know what you're doing, what you're up to puke, you know what I'm doing,
all because we are posting, we're sharing, we're like, we proliferate like every single day,
we proliferate like every single day, right?
And we've been like supporting each other all along the way.
So, you know, even if it's a bear sentiment,
you just vibe and we capi together.
So it's been great.
Actually, I think during the bear market,
I doubled down on networking, connecting,
and building my personal brand.
So I constantly post contents. I actually created new arts with Pudgy, my PFP, and Cappy.
So I'm constantly thinking of creative ways to proliferate on CT. Also, I have a lot of university seminars, just like Nat scheduled down to May,
June. Also speaking at the German Blockchain Week, that's also in June. So I think I have like
three to four months of, you know, university seminars or conferences, events that I want to be at. And I've just kept myself busy.
Damn, you guys are all doubling down on like universities, education,
something I did not know.
But wait, wait, wait, wait.
So German Blockchain Week?
What is that?
Yeah, actually, this year is going to be big.
I think in Europe, they're really excited about blockchain technology more than the US.
US is really about crypto, right?
It's I think the focus is more on like crypto mass adoption, whereas like in Europe they
are more focused on blockchain, like the technology itself and how they can use it in their society
or development and things like that.
So I think Durban Blockchain Week will be one of the biggest blockchain conferences this year in Europe.
And they also have a Berlin conference just at the same time, along with Satoshi Bitcoin forum as well.
So there's like three things going on and like uh to expand so
um i'll keep you posted i think i should be able to have like more information from the team soon
yeah just when you thought there is too much event there's even more right there's like hong kong
festival happening right now i know par like Hong Kong Festival happening right now.
I know Paris Blockchain Week is happening right now as well,
same time.
And then you have German Blockchain Week.
Everybody is doing great things.
And back to Malaysia.
Last year, we did our Malaysia Blockchain Week
for the first time.
This year, there is even more interest.
People are actually putting Malaysia on the roadmap
and saying, hey, you know, July,
if, you know, July, if, you know,
low-key show, guys, but if July,
you are an event junkie and you don't know where to go, maybe
it's time to book that ticket
to Malaysia because Will
is only one hour flight from you. Nat,
it is two hours flight from you. Sook,
it is three, sorry, four hours
flight from you. But Golden, I'm sorry,
you're back in the States, so it's going to be, four hours flight from you. But, Golden, I'm sorry, you're back in the States,
so it's going to be a 24-hour flight.
But speaking about that, Golden, what's up?
Checking in GM.
How is Terrence treating you, bro?
How is Terrence treating you, bro?
How is Terrence treating us?
You see the markets?
The markets is shit.
It's all good, bro.
I'm definitely going to see you guys in Dubai.
Headed out there, so I won't be making it to Malaysia in July.
But Dubai at the end of this month
is for sure.
Alright, so, dude, I need
some updates, man. How is the
market treating you? What is some
of the stuff that you're looking
in the bear market?
Oh, man. You know, I'm buying.
We're buying the dips, you know.
We never scared of this.
You know, we've been here before.
We've seen 20K Bitcoin.
We've seen all of that type of stuff.
You know, we've been in the trenches like this before.
This is nothing new.
We're actually kind of spoiled right now because Bitcoin is still over 70K.
We're like a full-on bear market.
Come on, man.
Okay, okay.
One quick question to you right like i i would love to know you know
do you think like bear market is the best time to innovate oh yes always always when things are
quiet we build you know and uh i'll be out there in dubai if you see me if anybody sees me ask me
for my keychains the keychains will have a chip with them and they will have a special lore to what we're building in the future.
Alright brother, thank you so much for that. Edwin, over to you man.
Alright. I just want to respond to this statement because our game Dojo Free just soft launch yesterday on our Discord for hypercasting.
Actually, it's perfect.
And it's a prediction game.
So if you are not buying, come play a few rounds of betting,
right?
Sorry, man.
I'm, you know, suddenly promoting my game.
But I feel like it's the best game in the best timing.
Yeah, no worries.
I think when we're talking about how do we build in a bet,
and if you have like
specific stuff that you are building right i think it's so so important the same question you know
back to back to you that i asked golden is like do you first of all we all agree that bear market
is the best time to innovate right but how do we innovate that it's tackling different issues
for example you, keeping people
glued to the product you're buying,
making people do give a shit about
the things that you're building. So maybe you could share more
on that, Edwin.
Yeah, sure. I think
we've been debating, like yesterday,
literally yesterday,
our team is discussing, because we
originally trying to have an official
announcement about our product, but we it you know hold on hold on that part because we believe the attention is
not there because uh uh it's been talking about everything about trump about you know the turret
and everything so we decided to put a bit behind on that one but instead what we do is that we put
the announcement on this card to the fam probably coming to test again together and i think that's
the best decision we made so far because we honestly we know that attention is not there announcement on this call to the fam already coming to test again together and i think that's
the best decision we made so far because we honestly we know that attention is not there
it's a bad market but as a builder we've been building a game for quite a while right you want
to make sure that the fans didn't get disappointed because we told everybody like we are going to
launch something for them to play around this week so we made a promise but we don't go out
in the public because also give us a room
early testing you know incentivize them so i think you know if you ask me uh it doesn't matter
what's the timing that if you're looking like at the blue market you get a lot of competition
you know the eyeball is not there or like it's just like you don't forget you in a few hours time
but in the bear market time you, you have the attention out there,
but sometimes you have to make the choice that maybe,
even though you launch something,
people's attention or their wallet is not out there
for your gain or for your product, right?
So to us, we make, you know, a little bit compromise.
We decide to launch, you know,
just for the community at the beginning.
It also like let the fans feel like we actually
really need to bring something for them and we treasure the feedback.
So I think after all, it's a matter of choice whether you want to go in the blue market or the bear market.
But to me, as a builder, something we do pretty seriously, I think back to basics,
we just want to make sure that people who are following us are looking forward to our product.
They have the time where we commit and we deliver something for you know we co-build or like we let them build it
i think that's the most important part so i agree with the statement that was to just mention like
it doesn't matter what is the timing you just want to build something especially in a tough time so
i feel this is the right statement if you like really you know make making serious to want to do something last for a longer term
not for short term that's what i feel about it especially in this moment all right thank you so
much for that gas like uh everyone builders here do not care whether there is bear or boo so i guess
we can close the space guys everybody's bullish uh we are like all right you know what despite
the market condition we are still back here we are still building uh wipes are up i thought was going to be low. So I was like, you know what? Let's make
this space a little bit more motivational. I prepared some quotes to get you up, but
everybody's up already. So there's no need for me to hold space. But jokes aside, Gordon,
you raised your hand. What's up? Come on.
No, I was just piggybacking. What Sook said was actually spot on, building in the public.
That's something that I have a bad thing about that I'm definitely going to get better at.
But I think what she said was true.
Even if it's the bear or bull, when you're building in the public, you're allowing people to kind of catch on and follow on and be a part of your journey of building.
So I think that was a key advice to any builder out there.
Yep, yep.
I think these days
gone are the days of like hey you're undocs you know you don't show your face you build
uh and then you just launch it i think like these days everybody is out there whether you're a
founder or not you consider a kol right or key opinion leader and everybody looks to you you
know in terms of how you interact what kind of like
ways you market your product out and i see you know successful people you know just asking a
question from a tweet and then from a tweet become a business and become a following and then all of
a sudden like in just a span of like three weeks this guy launched something right and everybody's
like bullish on it because they could see the process from like day one to day right now of where the product is so that is a good take sook and golden all right
last but not least checking in teresa checking in gm gm everybody i hope you guys can hear me
clearly this is your first spaces with pukas how are you? It's my first one in this like majong session and I really hope that we
can play majong in real life because
I need to learn.
But thank you very much Pukas for like
inviting me here. I see some
familiar names here
so I'm really really happy.
I would like to share
more later on on my perspective because
you know I really agree on like the building
in public thing because I am building in public.
I would say I consider myself as a KOL, but not super Web3, not super DGEN, but also a Web2 video based KOL.
And what I'm trying to bridge right now is really education.
So really supporting everything that's, you know, educating for the Web3 space and also the non-Web3 space,
because, you know, essentially we would want to bring everybody within 3 space and also the non-web 3 space because you know
essentially we would want to bring everybody within this space and in the industry right so
i think that that's what matters and how the industry can really change and shift over the
years got it like what what what would you recommend you know people that is out there
wanting to build something and having the concept of building in public.
How public should it be?
And for yourself, what are some of the things that you want to share
and how has that feedback been?
Since sharing to the community, whether it's on X,
whether it's on different social media,
and then getting feedback and improving your craft.
Maybe you could share more on that.
Yes, for sure.
I think building in public you know
um especially with the whole undocked and docks things um a lot of people are like really you
know they're really aware and really protective of their own privacy that's why we have like
undocked and docks but really if you're trying to build something that's sustainable something that
um you know is suited for like the whole market and
the whole users to see. I think, you know, being on docs, being building also in public and sharing
your product iteration is really the key here. Because, you know, people like founders that
have failed before, they like a hero story. So, and really hero stories within the KOL space,
even content creators that have previously
don't know anything about crypto
and suddenly become an overnight millionaire.
Those are hero stories that people want to see.
And that, I think, applies also to any founders
who are building within the Web3 space.
So really, you come up with this initial product. It's not
working well. You haven't found product market fit. But what are you trying to change? And really,
what type of feedback and what kind of feedback and all the tweaks that you put into the product?
That means you really care about the audience and also trying to make something that can be used
within the space and for your audience.
So that's basically my take on building in public.
More of a positive than a negative for me.
Yeah, I think everybody loves just zero to hero,
wrecks to reaches.
These are the stories that get a lot of views.
I know some of you guys are laughing, but man, it happens.
And hero story is something like,
I've been seeing more of,
I would say content that is featuring
not just shooting the products,
but content that is more towards storytelling,
more fun element vibes to it,
more educational in a fun way.
I think those are the content
that is really standing out in the web tree space.
All right, last but not least,
Shani checking in.
GM, GM, guys.
Thank you for having me here.
I hope all of you
are having a great day.
Yes.
So same question to you.
I think like,
love to know your opinion
of building in public,
especially, you know,
whether you're a content creator,
whether you're a business owner, you know, whether you're a content creator, whether you're a business owner,
you know, what does it mean to you?
Yeah, definitely agree with everyone
who has just talked about building in public
because eventually, right,
you want to let people see
what you're actually doing
because I used to have the mindset,
this is like way back
when i started to um when i started to try to build something within whatever i was trying to
do i wanted to do like in secret right i like to go the pathway i'm like you know doing it in secret
and then one day um i just success and everybody be like what what what did she do but i feel like
um it's not actually the best way to because people can't actually see your progress in doing
what you were doing and then actually like what um uh teresa just mentioned they like to be involved
they like to see what you've actually built along the way. They like to be, they feel this kind of connection with you, you know?
So when you are building,
they have this kind of connection with you.
They feel more closer to you,
understand what you've been going through.
And yeah, definitely building in public,
let them see they could actually do it too, you know?
Not just actually doing it silent
and then one day you'll be like successful.
Actually, people are more detached with this kind of story.
But like, yeah, this is something that i totally agree yeah for sure like uh before doing spaces why this is a quick fun story right why i choose spaces is because like
you know what before web3 i don't i hardly take photos i don't post on instagram nothing right
and then i was like hey you, spaces you can actually hide behind,
hide behind,
you know,
your computer and just talk
without people
looking at you.
And fast forward,
I mean,
everyone sees my faces
on X.
So yeah,
things change
pretty quick.
Xiao, what's up?
Xiao.
I was trying to,
you know, post at the same time because I feel like here I'm at the gym trying to do both, right? Trying to multitask.
Now, I think this is a great topic. I apologize. I've had to drop off and come back in.
But one, Shani said a lot of the right things that I think, too, that got me into the space and the same thing that you did, right?
If you can hide behind some things, maybe can still be uh out there and and promoting but
the reality is when you build community it really helps to be honest right and i think all of us
have done that we've always jumped the jump the shark and just pushed ourselves forward in terms
of exposure i'm actually wanted to mention that you know what's crazy is about education and what
you know my sillyness been doing because you know for me working with team and working with Nigel
and shout out to him for surviving Malaysia from a carnival.
Maeve did a number on him apparently.
What I will say is that we've actually taken a different approach.
We've actually gone web too.
And why I say this is important.
I think there's like a great reset, right?
Not only is Open Campus and what they're doing is impactful,
but it's really helping onboard people who are students, who are practitioners, who are
looking for different avenues to get into blockchain, but they need a reason why, right?
If 2024 was gaming, I think education and IP is 2025. And utilizing IP, Mycelium is actually
building IP clubs around Indonesia and now in
Malaysia with Wynz. And it's really showing an opportunity for people. And I put it in the
comments. You know, there's a huge wave of creators that are being seen and being heard in Indonesia,
but they don't have the wherewithal and the understanding of like how blockchain and
registering your IP on chain matters in creating provenance and creating security with immutability. And so our job
in building these IP clubs and working with Open Campus is to help proliferate and help push
IP on chain because programmable IP changes the way traditional IP works and having in IRL events
helps transfer that wealth of knowledge and power
from people in Web3 to Web2 and putting them together in the same box. And that level of
education through experience, through connections and building relationships is the power of what
Web3 is. And we get to show people in a different way than just spaces or just, you know, crypto
Twitter. This is something that we help and want to transform
people because we want to empower them so that they can become the next wave of people coming in
and sharing their life, sharing their experiences, being creators, building artists in ways that
hasn't been done before. And for us, whether we do it in Indonesia, Malaysia, and all throughout
both Southeast Asia and Asia, we want to really push
the opportunities of education through IP and being on chain. So just want to give a shout out
to the team because they've been building for the past year and a half. And now that we're
doing things because we have a platform, we have the, you know, the gaps, everything in place,
and we have a strategic partnership with Story Protocol, we're able to help collaborate and push all the things that we're talking about in a way that i think is
connecting to people so we can grow this ecosystem so we can grow our our net of people so that it's
the next hundred thousand next million people coming on chain got it man and dude since you're
mentioning about all the different countries just look at the space uh we have net from um thailand
we have sook from Korea.
We have Teresa from Indonesia.
Shao and Godin is in US. Will is in Singapore.
Me and Shan is in Malaysia.
This is everybody coming
together despite different time zones,
different places, coming together
to talk about this. But Will,
Godin, to pass back to you, love to get your
opinion about building in the public.
And so, what kind of signal do you look for
to know that you are building in the right direction
even though market is quiet?
We've been talking, you know, a lot about this, you know,
Puker over the past couple of weeks.
And, you know, one thing that I'm, you know, staying true to
is that marketing is actually the best utility in a down market
um you know the fact that we're constantly you know showing up you know every couple of days
on spaces IRL and whatnot um that allows us to you know have a forward thinking approach how the
market's moving and when I kind of look back at the past two cycles that we got involved as
open campers as new campers, as new
campers, as builders in the space, same thing.
Like you're really looking at picking, you know, great partners that you want to work
with for the next cycle long term.
And, you know, we're obviously doing a lot of work with Teresa, with Sork, with Shani,
and, you know, really taking a long term bet on how these creators and innovators and entrepreneurs
are going to be evolving over time.
You know, I've actually personally been spending a lot more time reading.
So with less, you know, time to shitcoin on Photon or BullX,
I'm actually reading a lot about the oil and gold rush industry.
And so if you actually look at the same thing in the 1800s, 1900s,
really the same thing, gold, oil was, really the same thing gold oil was you know meme coin
at that time and you know the folks that were successful that were continuously building
innovating are those that you know just constantly added value to the space so i do think if you have
found your niche if you found your um you know utility your, just keep honing your craft. And I think that allows you to think long-term over time.
Got it.
And concept of building in the public,
like how is OC, you know, approaching this kind of concept?
We haven't stopped.
I think, you know, building public is actually the value of,
you know, the work that we're doing in Web3, right?
Whether it's testing your ideas or launching new projects,
I think the amazing thing about this space
is you're constantly collecting feedback.
Your audience, your customers are brutal,
but it allows you to move
and innovate a lot more effectively.
So I think for me,
it's not really about building the brand per se,
but really trying to understand
what are painkiller problems,
painkiller challenges that you can be solving in this time in the market. Because, you know,
in a bull market, everyone buys vitamins in a bear market, people spend on painkillers. So,
you know, I'd urge for everyone thinking about this sector, how are you able to solve real
problems that people can't live without and then position yourself when the
market comes back, which it inevitably will.
All right.
Thank you so much for that.
Nat, same question to you, man.
What sort of signal do you look for when you know that you're building in the right direction?
Okay.
So I think one signal is really clear when you do it and people request to do more.
When I teach one university and then another campus reach out to me and say,
hey, we want that the same thing.
Can we do that too?
Or another blockchain asking you to do the same.
What will you do with another blockchain?
I think there's a signal that maybe it comes to the right way.
I would say there's a lot of things about comes to the right way um i would say there's a
lot of things about blockchain still difficult by the technology by itself like for example in
thailand uh the kids under 18 they cannot get like uh the the crypto app it's like illegal to
get you know financial apps so do you teach them so hard for two hours and then they can't even
get to the blockchain.
They cannot get the gas or whatever,
something like that.
So I think the signal is that you come the right way,
people will ask more.
People will see the benefit of what you're doing
and that you should keep pushing more, man.
Back to you, brother.
Got it.
And so, especially in this cycle, right?
Or even at this stage right now, is it more towards pushing about what blockchain is, how it works, more towards, I would say, the tech side of things?
Or is it more towards, all right, what is something new that's coming out?
For example, we know that you are bullish on abstract, so you're teaching more towards the things that you feel is going to be better
in the future like what sort of angle would be you know something that you've been teaching out
so this year we adapt a little bit because we got i got into abstraction so now instead of teaching
how to install the metamask we skip that part man because it's logged in by Google, Gmail. So we play games.
And now the kids, hey, you play games on the blockchain without any gas thing.
It's like, oh, this is cool.
So I think kids are going to wonder about why you're still doing this in the bear market.
And we tell them it's not about bear or bull market.
It's about technology.
It's keep going.
So that's what you need to learn about it. And next time I come to teach you, it's going to be a different thing.
So things, crypto, go so fast.
And we want to help you catch it up, man, brother.
Got it.
And I feel like this year, especially, a lot of countries in Southeast Asia is actively pushing crypto.
Especially in Malaysia, you know, they are encouraging people to do more events, in real life events.
I know Thailand as well.
I know Vietnam.
Instead of just one event, GM Vietnam,
there's now two,
and government is involved
to make sure everything is into the same guideline
that they are securing for us.
How maybe you could share a little bit,
based on your knowledge in Thailand,
what are some sort of the new, I would say,
system or new encouragement
from the government?
So I think the government this year,
we get a lot more open for the crypto.
It would not as friendly as we wanted to.
But for the crypto events,
I think today we have to set the goal
and the mission for the event really clear.
Because if that is just,
it's really the same group of people. We have to change the goal and the mission for the event really clear because if that is just you just eat through the same group of people we have to change the location right because
it's the same thing i host you a lot i gotta see pew in every big event i mean he's a famous
cql but anyway we want to connect more people we want to bring maybe students to learn more in the
event we want to connect to like both to people and expand more and more community.
So I think many of you,
it's great,
but the audience is so important
that who we invite to the event, man.
And the government,
I think they do their things, man.
We just keep following them.
I don't know what we can do about it.
Thank you, brother.
Got it, got it.
Yeah, Ned do not want to see me.
I feel like I bump into Ned
as the majority of the events.
Ned is like, enough of Q. I feel like I bump into that and the majority of the events. That is like
enough of you.
I love you.
I want to see
more students.
I want to see
more students
not the same place.
But what you mean
is true, man.
I think like
even in Malaysia,
you know,
when they run,
for example,
IFKL,
it's always in partnership
with the local
students,
local colleges
and then runs,
you know,
different types of hackathons
to lead, I would say,
the next wave of people
or more people, right?
Rather than just
circle jerk among us.
Okay.
Sook, checking in with you.
What are some of the core fundamentals
that you're doubling down
during this market?
Sook, check, check.
Is it me?
Is it me or I can't hear Sook?
I can't hear Sook either.
Okay, okay, okay.
I was like, shit, if this PewCast rock me,
I have no idea to listen
at all.
But Sook, no worries.
Drop down, come back up.
I will pass you the speaker role as well.
Maybe I'll pass over to Teresa first.
What are some of the core fundamentals
you're doubling down during this market?
Hello?
Hello, yes.
Okay, what are the core fundamentals?
Is it?
Yep.
Yep.
I think for me, personally, it's just keep building and keep educating.
You know, just like on the personal brand side, on the building in public, if you guys
don't know, I make make content but it's in
bahasa indonesia so it's very localized it's targeted for people who don't know uh anything
about web3 anything about crypto i um you know make it very simple for them to understand so um
the the one of the um idea for me that fear or one of the goal is really to scale
um in terms of like language in terms of
which as well right for me so that's why you know i'm really happy to be here uh connecting with you
guys not just um in indonesia but also with like friends all over southeast asia because i think
um one of the fundamentals uh outside of just you know building and keep on building keep on like
working on on your angle and really scaling on what you already have
is really to expand your network and connection
because that is essential
and that will lead to like a good connection
when we're ready and when the market is ready for next time.
Because, you know, this is like actually my first bull bear.
Last cycle, I experienced the bear, but but not the bull i was like in the hype
of the bull and then i entered crypto um so i'm very newbie and this is my first time so i i kind
of know um you know that in crypto everybody's uh you know building together and uh you know we go
to all these events uh not only just to have fun, I mean, like, also to have fun, right, but also to,
like, gain connection, see whether, you know, there's any partnership, anything that we can
work together. You know, in fact, it's so happy to see one of our partners, Mycelium. So, we
actually also support the social login for Mycelium. So, if you guys connect with Mycelium,
it's actually backed by Zeller, which is my company.
So really, really happy to hear them actually expanding to Mauritius, which is another region.
So it's not just, you know, for just like the Indonesian cabal, but also the Southeast Asian cabal here.
Yeah.
Who is in the Indonesian cabal?
All right, guys.
You heard it.
If you want to expand in the
Indonesian market
you gotta get
into the
Indonesian cabal
and terrorize
the people
for that
but since we're
talking about
Indonesia
maybe you could
share a little bit
like I asked
Nat that question
gonna ask you as well
how do you see
this year
2025
Indonesia
is it gonna have
more
you know
events happening
more you know, events happening,
more, you know, onboarding,
more things happening in the country itself?
Oh, yeah, definitely.
I think there's going to be more and more events.
You know, we have, like, our... I guess we don't have, like, a blockchain week,
but we have a CoinFest.
So, heart, everyone, anyone here has been to coin fest um so we we do have
a coin fest that's happening like every august so i'm really looking forward to that one because
um like me i'm just gonna be there and we're doing a few events there also with a few partners
and you know outside of that there's a lot of developers actually so um you know earlier you
guys talk about how you guys are going to universities. And I think that's also happening right here in Indonesia because, you know, we have to start early and we have to start somewhere.
And for us to find the right people or the right founders, you know, the best way is through developers.
Really teaching them the fundamentals, teaching them how to code, how to create a community, you know, being also in the community and connect them to the network and the connections very early.
So also, I'm really active on that side, really teaching with like a few other parties also on like the concept of Web3 alone.
Like so very, very fundamental education all the way to, you know, how you code on certain chains and how you build a gap and so on.
So I think that the phase for the Indonesians of all is quite lively right now.
And especially airdrop hunters.
We're one of the biggest population in Southeast Asia.
I think the biggest. So yeah, there's a lot of people and within those populations,
there surely are a lot of people
that are interested,
really, really interested
into crypto and web 3.
Got it.
But I'm going to repeat
one more time.
If you are wanting
to expand in Indonesia
and you're looking
for the Indonesian cabal,
you have Teresa.
But there's this one guy
who is not based in Asia,
but he's using an Asian name and looks Asian.
He is Xiao, and he is also part of the Indonesian cabal.
So just putting it out there.
All right, Sook, checking in.
Is your speaker okay?
Hello.
Can you hear me?
No, I can't hear you.
No, yes, yes.
No, I can't. No, I can't hear you. No? No, yes, yes. No, I can't, I can't.
No, I can't hear you guys.
Nah, thumbs down, thumbs down.
We can't hear Sook, right?
Thumbs down.
Sook, joking.
We can hear you loud and clear.
My question is, you know,
what are some core fundamentals
that you're doubling down during this bear?
I think I briefly touched upon, like out in the first part of the spaces
like i think uh the core values that i am mostly concentrating on is building my personal brand
and then second is my network you have to talk about Yeah, that is actually part of network, which I think is very important.
Because in Web3, it's just all about the network and friends that you've made along the way.
If I want to expand in Indonesia, I just connect with Teresa, right?
If I want to go to Malaysia, I'll definitely hit you up, Puke, right?
So we have all these amazing leaders, builders, all representing different countries.
And I was like, why don't we have a network?
Why don't we have a community for that?
Of course, we have that for specific NFTs or specific areas of your interest.
But I didn't see that for overall like you know general networking and
and a place to vibe so that's why I created mega and it was cooked up in like three weeks I think
it's like four weeks old now so mega for you briefly is make a pack great again so there's two criterias to join this. One is you need to at least wield some sort of influence.
And this influence is very relative.
So whether it be like socials or network connections, I don't know, if you are education or, you know, media personality, whatever, like you have an educationer or media personality,
whatever, you have an influence, right?
So that is the first condition.
And then the second condition is
you have to be located in APAC,
not like Shaolin, who is an Asian.
Yeah, Shaolin won't be accepted to MAGA.
Shaolin, I'm sorry.
Your MAGA is Make America Great Again.
Our MAGA is Make, I'm sorry. Your MAGA is Make American Great Again. Our MAGA is
Make APEC Great Again.
Yeah, so I created this
in the last three,
four weeks.
And currently,
I think we reached
like 220, 230 people.
And it's been,
I think the feedback's
been great.
Like people were able
to reach each other
more conveniently.
They are more in tune with all these different events happening around Asia.
And what I really want to do is I've already spoken to my brother, Puke, but I really want
to do IRL events with Puke, with will with open campus like you know bring the leaders and
builders of asia all together in one hot pot yeah that's it all right love it love it okay
uh one quick question to you what trends are you quietly keeping your eyes on on. What trends? I think I would say like, you know, other than tariffs, like the big theme
that we are following right now is AI at the moment. I think about the whole like chat GPT,
Eddie from Open Campus. I'm really eager to see how how it unfolds unwraps and are utilized in our
lives and how people just like enjoy it it's now part of a like it's part of work it's part of
tool it's part of gaming it's part of everything right even education so um it's no longer i think a robotic something like attack that we couldn't
use and understand but it's really have like infiltrated deeply into our lives so
curious to see how ai unfolds all right got it adwin uh over to you man one quick question since
you have already a community love to know how do you handle community fatigue
during this quiet period?
Yep, bro.
You mean community, right?
How do you maintain that level of engagement?
All right.
Honestly, what we try to do is
I just literally talk to people all the time.
I try to do as much as I can, fall asleep, up to sleep,
during work, after work, during lunch.
I just try to put on and see who's talking there,
try to reply to them, answer the questions, address the issues,
or like seeing the right guy to talk to them.
But I think talking about community, I think back to basic,
on the internet, what you can do is just talking to them you know but if you're like somebody like face to face like what we're doing here at least like voice chat or like even some people interaction what I would do is like I try to have and share to people like what we're doing what we're updating you know some of our news or asking around like how you're doing I think it's a good time for us to do it right now because um it's just a bear market and people probably would not have like a lot of like
20k being busy around and it's a good time to talk to people regardless of their users
you know and and and others and also one thing i would do is i always ask like what kind of
help others need and i think this is important because um uh he said like okay this is important because he said,
okay, this is literally the first project, the first game that he tried out on a work-based basis.
He literally has no idea about what's the picture, what's the wallet and so on.
So what I tried to do is I sent him some of the short materials that he may want to know,
or I introduced him one of the AI tools that may be useful to him.
So I think that is how the way we treat people well.
And in the end of the day, it will eventually become a community.
I mean, it's basically how you connect with people,
and people will remember that all the time.
All right, thank you so much for that.
Dude,
I appreciate you
joining Spaces
despite busy
at an event,
but you're making us
FOMO, man.
Especially when you say
you are joining
the Open Campus
Paji event.
I was like,
oh, shit, bro.
We are here doing Spaces
while you
can do both.
Come on, dude.
People just ask me,
where's Will?
Where's Will?
You'll be like, Will is here in the phone with me. That's it. I'm right here. I on, dude. People just ask me, where's Will? Where's Will? You'll be like,
Will is here
in the phone with me.
I'm right here.
I'm right here.
Wait, wait, Edwin,
did you meet Will
just now?
Yeah, I already told you.
Will, did you guys
meet each other just now?
No, no, no, no.
Bro.
There's a problem with people.
I haven't met Will yet.
Yeah.
Well,
Will, if you were around
or you'd come back
and let me know, right?
I'm still around.
Guys, Will is done. You do not want him to right? I'd still run. Guys, Will is done.
You do not want him to be,
but no, that's it.
Will is done.
Will is chilling with us,
chilling with the Capis,
chilling on spaces.
Okay, but Shani,
over to you, man.
What are some of the trends
you're quietly keeping your eyes on?
To be honest,
I do quite think AI is the one.
I do agree with what so just mentioned
because ai we basically what happens around ai right now is i personally feel it's actually at
a very early stage so it's definitely very interesting but there is so much room for
improvements and definitely more rooms for discovery what can be done better and also definitely great great um uh
achievable um usage from ai tools itself so yes definitely ai is definitely something that i'm
keeping my eyes on um definitely something that also intrigues me in a way that i want to learn
more about it because we all know that life i mean we've definitely lived the life before ai and to be
fair with you life has been so much easier with ai now and stuff like that totally supportive of ai
and stuff like that but yeah like like like you know this is something that i saw on internet
last week that i find it quite funny so you know how we used to have exam and did college and university way before chat GPT.
And now they were saying that if chat GPT was taken down,
I don't know how students are going to get their essays done and stuff like that,
which I kind of think it's actually really true, you know.
Like, this is how AI has helped us in this form and set.
But, like, obviously there's obviously a barrier where
we feel like um we have to know how to balance it out but my point here is like it helps us out with
so many things like for example emails and stuff like that I could easily just have AI right uh
written it out for me quickly instead of me sitting down there because I might not be the
best with words and stuff like that when it comes to writing down.
Yeah, no need to spend too much time on that.
Obviously, a lot of AI tools
are helping a lot of different things.
But yeah, AI.
AI is definitely something
that I'm going to be
keeping my arms on.
Yep.
I remember, you know,
writing that final year project,
skipping out on my family holiday
just to do.
But with chat GPT,
man, I can go that holiday
and still score an A. Okay. Okay. Enough of that. I with ChadGPT, man, I can go that holiday and still score an A.
Okay, okay.
Enough of that.
I know time is running out,
but I'd love to also ask
one more question to you, Shani.
Is that this,
right now in this market,
what are you doing?
What are you building?
Maybe could you share a little bit?
Oh, yeah.
Definitely something I feel like
I want to be focusing on is myself.
You know how we always be learning about ourselves.
So I'm a person that's really into music.
So always be figuring out what's next within the music space and also how music can be infused within the Web3 space is definitely something that I'm working on right now.
But also I'm also helping out with a few different projects.
One being Playfriends. So Playfriends is like a social project. I'm a BD for them.
So definitely a lot of, so we are building on Barra chain, right?
So a lot of Barra projects that I'm trying to partner up with, trying to,
so we talk about how, what we're're gonna do during the bear market right so I feel
like one of the thing is definitely to build your product and make it better so this is something
that we are very much focusing on and I want to be focusing on for like Play Friends and also not
to mention that I'm very happy to be part of Cappy Chica's with Open Campus, something that I am actually looking forward to be working
on during this time here.
Okay, everybody is talking about Capi Chikas. We have three Chikas here actually. We have
Sook, we have Theresa, we have Shenny, Will. Maybe you could share a little bit about what
is the Capi Chikas and what can we expect from this activation next generation of leaders in world
three was that um i think at the end of the day um take a long-term view on the next generation of
leaders and i think for me it's just learning a lot about the craft that theres, Sook, Shani has. Shani, amazing, creative in the music
space. Teresa, over 250,000 followers, learning about Web3 from Indonesia, and Sook building
a really strong presence in Korea. So I think that's going to be a lot of fun to navigate
this path together. And
hopefully we can play a small part in that.
All right. One final question to you before we wrap up the space.
Trent, what are you keeping your eye on? Is it still AI or there is other more than AI, bro?
I'm, you know, we've had this conversation a lot, right? And I think AI has significantly reduced a lot of our
repetitive activities.
But I actually want to spend a lot more time in IRL stuff.
At the end of the day, human connections is something that AI
can't replace anytime soon.
So you'll see me in Dubai, you'll see me in Turkey, you'll see me
in, you know, the next, next, next.
And I think we can be really creative with that next gen of interaction.
So yeah, stay tuned. I'll be around.
Got it, brother. Thank you so much for that, guys.
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But I want to check in with my buddy, Phil.
How are you doing? GM, bro.
Legend, legend. GM, GM.
I hope you're doing well, man it's um it's been a
couple of weeks since we've touched base I'm excited for this uh this space because obviously
everything's just progressing really really nicely obviously for Pukast yourself and for
Ape Chain as well so vibes are high and uh obviously good evening to everyone GM wherever
you are listening in and uh strap in I think this is going to be a good episode yeah for sure man
dude I feel like everyone that is building on Ape Chain um you are listening in and strap in. I think this is going to be a good episode. Yeah, for sure, man. Dude, I feel like everyone that is building on Apechain,
you are probably feeling the high like we are feeling.
Phil is building on Apechain,
PewCast is,
and all of the speakers today invited
is building on Apechain.
And why?
Because it's only up from here.
I feel like there is so much different stuff happening.
Good, bad,
but mostly good
because finally you're seeing a lot of builders are coming out
and these are really hardcore builders
with the new changes that is happening.
But Phil, last time I saw you, it was in Thailand.
Where are you right now?
Are you going for any events like Paris Blockchain Week?
Or you are kind of like at home, chilling,
building when the market is absolutely in rate.
Yeah, mate.
I've just been based in Perth
for the last couple of months,
just brick by brick, day by day.
So it's, yeah, just piecing that together.
But looking forward to the end of the month,
heading over to Token 2049.
So if you are in Dubai
and you want to obviously connect,
please hit me up.
DMs are open.
I'm looking forward to it.
Got it, man. Dude, I will be in Token
2049 Dubai. We're doing events
as well. So click on the notification
button. We will announce soon
of the stuff that we will
be doing. But Phil,
back to you. This market,
love to know what are some of the stuff
that you are doubling down.
Yeah, look, I'll be honest um it's a huge opportunity uh within the ap ecosystem so we've got all the builders coming on there's obviously the communities uh you know the nfts
we you know we have dubbed it the home of nfts for a reason um but you know i'm doubling down
on my own building the own my own project which we are building which is obviously ov.live so making a coin the home of live streaming but uh essentially like there's
opportunities everywhere in this market right so everyone just needs to just stay calm stay focused
do their due diligence and um yeah just go shopping uh when you this is not financial advice obviously
but i think i i think apecoin at this price is an absolute bargain long term,
especially with the broader ecosystem developments,
obviously with the other side and what's coming there.
So I seem to, yeah, I look at everything from a deeper tech perspective
and how everything's intertwined and I'm bullish as hell.
That's why, obviously, I'm building on ApeChain.
So, yeah, that's my perspective
i got it okay i want to pass it over to roxel checking in gm gm gm uh shout out to everyone
here puke thank you guys for having us uh the weather in miami is very nice it's not raining
today had a little bit of coffee chilling with with the cats, working on some canvases, and excited for
Ape Chain and everything that's coming up. Man, Miami, I heard like in three weeks time,
F1 Miami race is happening. Will you be going, bro? Oh yeah, it's gonna be crazy. We just finished
doing like the Super Bowl and stuff, and now that's coming up. Everything is back-to-back
over here. Miami is like a melting pot for all different types of art and activation and now that's coming up it's everything is back to back over here uh miami is like a melting pot uh for all different types of art and activation and you know web 3s you know in the
forefront so yeah f1 is going to be insane for sure man but uh same question to you what are
some of those things that you're doubling down especially in this market like people always
like to say hey you know in boo you get distracted with all of the different NFT means, token pump and stuff like that.
But Bear is where you are currently building your own product because there's less distraction, less noise.
So tell me more.
What are some of the things that you are doubling down on, bro?
I mean, for me, I mean, whether it's the Bull and Bear market, it's just, you know, content creating, you know, putting out a lot of artwork.
Obviously, I get commissioned out to do art, but at the same time, I do donate and create, you know, digital backgrounds for people just to, you know, lighten up the mood and stuff.
Really doesn't matter anymore with the market.
I think we're all pretty desensitized at this point.
we're all pretty desensitized at this point but just to create lots of content put good good energy
out there great energy out there and just you know rinse and repeat and just you know show
improve through the to the work that we do all right got it quickly want to check in with uh
moonlight it's been a while how you doing yo i'm doing really great last time was uh when we were
running for special counsel, I think.
We were up here. Yeah.
Bro, that was a long, long time, man.
Gotta catch up with you.
I love doing spaces because it's like, shit,
we can kind of take a little bit throwback on when the last time you came.
And up to now, I feel like there is definitely too many things happening on your plate.
So you gotta tell me, man.
My man.
What do you mean?
I mean, the last time you come onto Spaces up to now, I feel like time passes and there's
so many things that happen, right?
So like, what's new with you?
What are some of the key area of focus?
Dude, Q1 just over.
And right now we are entering Q2.
How was Q1? Yeah. And right now we are entering Q2. How was Q1?
Yeah.
No, it was amazing.
Currently, I'm focused on All Direct Genesis.
It's a project that I recently launched on ApeChain.
So all my focus is 100% on that front,
on delivering experiences on ApeChain.
So that's what I've been focusing on.
Got it.
And how has it been so far, you know, building on ApeChain?
I feel like I'm just looking at, you know, every day waking up, scrolling on Twitter,
and you see there is always an ApeChain space that is happening.
And it's like when I look at the chart, I think someone created the chart of like one week,
there's 36 ApeChain spaces that is happening.
I'd be like, holy shit,
this is the only ecosystem
that pushed out so much content.
So how has it been?
Obviously, you've been in the ecosystem right now,
building your own project on it.
How does it feel to become a project founder?
Yeah, it feels amazing.
I mean, the support from the community on ApeChain
is outstanding, I feels amazing. I mean, the support from the community on ApeChain is outstanding, I would say.
Like, everybody here is trying to support each other. I guess it's because Ape's together strong, right?
So it's really amazing to see all the support from the community.
And yeah, there's a lot of people, you know, as you mentioned, that have a lot of consistency.
And yeah, there's a lot of people, you know, as you mentioned, that have a lot of consistency.
And yeah, they were running spaces for like 138 days in a row.
We took a little break now because there's been a little bit of drama, I think.
But I think, I hope they will be back.
And yeah, we're going to have more of those.
For sure, for sure.
Okay, I want to check in last but not least with crypto bullies checking in how you
doing what's good man i just have to say sitting here for the last 10 minutes i feel a lot better
uh we never met in transparency i had just got my mutant and i got a dm it's like yo you want
to jump out of space and all that i'm like like, hold on. He's like, yo,
send me your email and I'll send you a notification.
You can put any calendar invite.
I was like,
nah,
bro,
don't worry.
I'm not going to miss it.
You don't need my email.
Bro,
bro,
that's it.
As long as,
you know,
even you don't have a PFP,
but you're building on the chain
or when you are wearing
or using a PFP,
like,
it's welcome.
So once we saw, hey a there's a new member
that is building on the chain we're gonna welcome you bro hell yeah hell yeah no i've been around
for a long time since 2021 building um you know it's so definitely not new to the space but new
to the club for sure uh this last monday uh was my second, right?
My second new Monday. Let's go.
So, yeah, just vibing out, just vibing out.
Thanks for having me as well.
Love it, man. Been here since day one.
I got to ask, man, how does it feel like, you know, changing the PFP, coming to the committee, building, connecting with people on spaces?
Like, how has it been so far for you?
Well, I'll tell you, Board Ape Yacht Club,
I think that's kind of been the goal since coming into the space
is just getting, like, just getting an ape.
Seeing the mutants over the years and just realizing just how,
like, the depth of the traits.
And I feel like I keep coming across things I have never seen before,
even after all these years. Maybe because I'm not looking so hard.
But I don't know. It was just an amazing feeling to kind of get rewarded for my participation within the whole Ape Chain Spotlight initiative.
how the whole point system worked to being active uh and getting to rank 17 on the user leaderboard
getting our collection to what 12 uh on the uh community leaderboard so it's it's been quite the
grind but uh yeah it changed it has been a blessing to many people um our project and community uh
you know as well so all right right. Got it. Got it.
Thank you so much for that.
And I saw Profits GM.
How are you doing?
So sorry.
I'm late.
Morning call went a little over.
Thank you for having me.
Super excited to be here.
How are you doing?
I'm good.
Always, man.
It's been a while since I have you on Spacers.
How's things with you?
Feels like Q1 just, you know,
with a snap of a finger, passed through.
Right now we are in Q2.
I was like, holy fuck, are we really already in Q2?
How's things with you?
Tell me more.
Yeah, I feel the same way.
And it's nice to hear your voice, man.
I haven't seen you in such a long time.
Congratulations on everything.
PUCAS is fucking killing it.
I agree.
Recently, as you guys know,
I do business development for BZ and the company just gave us our Q1 results. I was like, wait, Q1 is already over? Very weird feeling here,
but no, everything is great. I've learned over the years, preparation is key. And since January,
it's just all I've been thinking about is all the cool
things that i want to do throughout the year so it's been good it's been a lot of planning a lot
of ideating uh a lot of uh shilling you know a lot of uh a lot of things a lot of things but no i'm
excited and couldn't be more excited to be in this space here in 2025 yeah for sure i think like
everyone that decided,
hey, you know, no matter it's boo or bear,
we are still chilling and doing spaces.
So mad respect to everyone that hosts their own spaces.
Looking at you, Profit,
I know you host your spaces since last time up to now,
so kudos to that.
But what are some of the core fundamentals
that you are doubling down this year?
Because you said you are super excited for this year,
so many things you want to do.
Love to know some things
that you'd be like,
hey, you know,
this is going to slap for sure.
I'm doubling down on it.
That's a great question.
So over the last couple of years,
I've done a lot of cool stuff,
including events and all the things.
And it's interesting
because when you see something come to life
that was just first an idea, it's obviously, it feels great. But a lot of things I've done
has never really been over a lot of time. It's been, oh, you only got 50 days, you got 60 days,
you got 30 days. And so we still pulled off a lot of magic. And so I think to answer your question,
it's doubling down on that preparation and ideation because I'm
like, well, if you can do this with a small amount of time, imagine how much you can do
with more time.
And so just really specific on how I spend my time wisely these days.
When you were like, hey, give me your calendar, I was like, that's a good sign.
This guy's organized.
He knows what he's doing.
I live by my calendar these days.
I have to, so I can be very efficient with my time.
But that's a great question.
I think doubling down on prepping for the cool stuff that I want to do.
Yeah, I think like as content creator this year, it's all about elevating, right?
I think before you came onto the space, I was talking to Moonlight or even Crypto Bullies.
It's like when you go to a particular ecosystem and you see so many content creators
not being paid,
but actively pushing out,
you know, doing content,
getting people together,
you pushing out in real life events,
giving experience to apes,
you know, to ape chain holder.
I think these are things
that moves the market.
So love to get more insights,
profit this year.
What are some of the events you go
or even hosting?
I know you host banger events.
Too bad it's not in Asia.
Like, I hardly travel to the US market
and all the time I see, like, you host all of these
celebrities, events that happen, it's all in US.
When Asia, Prophet?
When Asia, Prophet?
Wait, wait, wait.
That's actually fair.
My first, I think my first,
damn,
this is going to be my first
out of the,
out of the country event
will be in Dubai
at the end of the month.
two,
two,
four nights.
Yeah, yeah.
If you're going to be there,
if not,
tell some people to come.
I will say this,
I only have,
I only have,
aside from obviously our Basil,
but I only have my first
six months of events lined up.
I want to go to Asia this year,
so maybe I'll see where you're going so we could kind of so we could figure this out maybe
puke cast vip or some sort or something but um but yeah no that's my first event of the year which
is going to be dubai uh may 1st everybody is invited it's going to be a lot of fun skyline views
um so yeah that'll be the first event of the year and then right after that will be bitcoin vegas all right sounds like um may 1st is a date i will
be there i'm going to dubai for the first time to attend to a four night yes yes vip vip for you
i got you all right excited man finally i will be in the pictures uh first time not looking on
twitter timeline and scrolling but uh actually looking at the pictures. First time not looking on Twitter timeline and scrolling,
but actually looking at the pictures a bit.
Yeah, it's me.
I was getting drunk.
I was doing the stupid shit.
Yes, okay.
Good, good.
Excited for it.
All right, I love to hear everything
that you guys are building, right?
On Ape Chain, keeping it exciting.
So Phil, back to you.
Love for you to tell me a little bit more.
What have you been cooking?
Because you said, hey, you know,
these few months you've been head down,
a lot of updates.
Tell me more.
Yeah, sure.
So basically founder of Ovi.live,
it's our own live streaming platform
and full top to bottom tech stack.
So consider it a combination of twitch zoom um restream or
stream yard if you you're familiar with that uh with ai editing calling systems so you can come
on uh ov and host public or private conference calls um stream your favorite game whilst
broadcasting out to x abstract twitch etc so it's all uh natively obviously built within ov and essentially
uh yeah everything's on uh a chain so it's uh we're basically evolving the whole uh
excuse me sorry uh audience experience and the whole fan engagement uh the distribution rails
for content uh essentially providing a full tool suite for content creators
how they interact with their audience members how they get their content to it and how obviously
they're monetized and rewards so yeah that's been that's actually been a several years in the making
and essentially is we've got to a really exciting part now where we're in, I would describe it as, say, a late beta
and really about to take that next step.
50 content creators coming on board through cohort one.
So that's going to get very entertaining with a lot of content coming onto the platform.
And in the meantime, I've also been hosting what we like.
It's called Unfiltered Apes.
So it's really giving um builders content
creators community members ogs a spotlight within the yuga ecosystem what their activities are are
doing on a chain and uh essentially giving them um yeah uh that that content basically out onto
the timeline so that's fully booked up until the end of um to the end of june now to be honest so
that's two episodes a week and the demand for it is huge it just shows how much uh yeah people are
obviously coming on a chain and and they want to get their content out there so been extremely busy
time uh but obviously yeah it's that's that's part of my passion is connecting with the builders
community members and uh getting the tech out there, basically. Got it. I think this year, looking at how Abstract is focused on live streaming,
how all of this, I think one news was massive,
is when speed went over to China,
and all of a sudden, China might fit not just in regular,
I would say, Instagram,
but we have this thing called Red Note, right?
Which is Xia Hongsusu that is really popular
in the Chinese community,
just blowing up in terms of live streaming
and all of this stuff.
So do you think like live streaming for Web3,
how does it going to work?
Tell me more.
Yeah, that's a great question.
So one fundamental difference between us and Abstract,
not to give them any shade,
they've done an amazing
job on putting a spotlight on what streaming can do and how it can intersect with web 3 you know
from a tipping perspective but um they don't own their tech stack they've incorporated a third
party solution so they're going to be limited in their scalability and what functions and features
they can bring whereas we've got that full um flexibility in how we scale uh what functions
you know depending on obviously user needs and all that type of stuff so when it comes to audience
reward systems um you know the ability to uh yeah essentially ai tooling systems you name it there's
there's a whole lot more depth uh which we can achieve at Ovi which fundamentally it comes down to the scalability
and cost efficiencies of our tech stack right then there's also the intersection with being a
service provider which is massive so because we own the tech stack we can then empower ecosystems
with live streaming audio streaming broadcasting, and obviously help other projects and platforms
on building on ApeChain to scale their functions and features as well.
So that's just the Web3 side.
And obviously the tech behind the streaming at the moment is very Web2 based
before we then start branching out that protocol into deep in solutions
and you know decentralized infrastructure um there's a whole whole roadmap of development
to come down that line so i won't dive into it but um essentially we start with basic tipping
onboarding obviously fiat into us dollars onain, basically providing that network effect
of just access and accessibility, right,
to crypto in general.
So it's remaining network agnostic.
Any network can obviously tip and pay for those features
and it all settles on ApeChain,
which is critically important.
So we need to give that Web 2.5 experience and basically introduce people to ApeChain, which is critically important. So we need to give that Web 2.5 experience
and basically introduce people to ApeChain and NFTs and crypto in general,
but do it very, very seamlessly.
I like to say a Web 2 experience,
but with all the Web 3 technology in the background.
All right, got it. Thank you so much for that.
One more quick question is that,
when does all of this exciting stuff go live?
You said Cohort 1 has 12 people.
When can we expect?
Is there a date, bro?
Yeah, so excitedly, we're looking within the next two weeks
for Cohort 1 to go live.
I obviously had an update from the devs yesterday,
which was absolutely amazing.
The creators are excited
and yeah so we're talking a matter of weeks now uh which is incredibly important um so
i can't give you a definitive date because obviously it's software but um we're talking
weeks so before token 2049 um but the cool thing is if you want to go over to ov right now you want
to sign on using your google credentials you want to create an account you can do so if you want to go over to Ovi right now, you want to sign on using your Google credentials, you want to create an account, you can do so. If you want to start conference calling in public, private,
start sharing your screens, etc., you can do all of that as well. So very, very basic at the moment,
but at least you can see what the platform is. It is here and essentially it's about to scale. So
now's the time to get involved. All right, got it.
And guys, if you want to chime in,
feel free to raise your hand.
We do not need to go in sequence.
If you have anything that you want to say,
feel free to go in.
But I'm excited because I've been talking about,
hey, you know, going to,
I would say in real life events,
especially, you know,
the next one will be token 2049,
going to events,
live streaming on X.
So can people can just view it and make them FOMO, right?
Not attending the events and be like,
shit, the next time I need to get my ass there.
Okay, I want to pass it over to Roxo.
Roxo, how about you?
Do you share what you're building?
Well, it's good.
Yes, so working on a few things.
So right now, I've just been repurposing
all the spray cans that we've had since 2021.
So all the IRL murals that we've done for different Web3 communities, we've had like leftover like spray cans.
And I've been repurposing them to create like custom one-on-one art for different PFP communities in Ape Chain and also different like platforms and stuff.
in Ape Chain and also different like platforms and stuff. So working on that, uh, physical
canvases, uh, murals connecting, you know, with the city here in South Florida, uh, branching
out, uh, statewide and nationwide now too, as well, which is pretty crazy and, uh, going
to be releasing, uh, some projects and stuff on Ape Chain as well. Uh, can't say like too
much, but it, you know, it will relate to like the art and everything that we've done uh since 2021 and uh yeah it's gonna be crazy so i think uh
ape chain right now is is cooking a lot of you know low barrier type stuff building cool easy
products that we can get out fast to these communities and uh yeah just creating. And all of the murals
or in real life stuff
that you guys do,
where is it located?
Is it spread out
throughout the country
or is it particularly
maybe in Miami
or something like that?
Yeah, so we have murals
in Miami and South Florida,
Corrigables, Hialeah,
Coconut Grove.
We have murals in LA and also in New York.
We plan on doing more IRL events and activations around those murals.
Funny thing, we also, like, the 8th Wall of Fame mural that we did a few years ago,
we were able to actually get it on the Pokemon Go app as a Pokemon stop.
So if anyone here is, like, a big Pokemon Go fan, you can go check out that mural
and get free, you know, pokeballs and stuff like that so we were able to register that mural
there so it's pretty cool experience got it and for for you itself you know why did you select
to build a chain uh well i mean i started off in the space 2021 trying to understand blockchain technology, got invited into a Discord during Basel through the Ape community.
From there, did digital backgrounds.
From those digital backgrounds, I went to physical canvases and murals.
The Apes have been a really strong supporter of my work from the get.
order of my work from the get.
Fast forward now, now that 8Chain exists,
it's a full circle moment to put something really cool out there
in that ecosystem.
So just excited and looking forward to it.
All right, got it.
I want to quickly pass it over to Moonlight.
How about you?
Tell me more about the project, bro.
Yes.
So I'm building All egg genesis at the
moment uh it's a project that basically pays homage to other sites and it expands on it with
unique lore storytelling and experiences um so currently we have the genesis event which will end in like nine days since we minted out we
received royalties and we are gonna redistribute a hundred percent of the
royalties to the holders of the NFTs and yeah after that we're gonna have other
experiences I'm a huge fan of games uh and i love gamify as well
i love onchain heroes and abstract uh defi dungeons as well so we have plans to create
gamify experiences uh on other side um you know we did have like legends of the Mara back in the day. Dookie Dash as well were kind of a few gaming experiences.
But I felt like we kind of lack a bit of that gamify aspect on ApeChen at the moment.
So creating this collection inspired me to build something on that front.
So yeah, I'm 100% focused on uh what comes next with uh other egg genesis
and if you want to learn more you can click on my bio as well and it will bring you to my profile
and then to the twitter account of other egg genesis we have a website uh we have a leaderboard as well
and uh yeah pretty excited all right got it and i want to pass it
over to crypto bullies how about you yeah man uh building out pixel pals um if you know you know
it's the relatively og collection here on a chain uh dropped a three of uh eight Chain and basically have been working toward the new contract, the level up contract,
which brings all the assets on chain, adds some on chain customization features. The website is
actually being wrapped up. There's going to be some gamification, some other off chain mechanics
for customizing your pals. But in addition to that, there'll be some tool sets for creators or anybody really who has access to those tools by holding a certain amount of pixel piles.
They'll be able to kind of get access to a bunch of different tools that I'll be building and adding on to the site.
And then lastly, voxel piles.
So I've been teasing the 3D voxel variants.
They're not going to be a separate collection or anything like that.
They're basically going to be a one-to-one for your pixel pile, the base variant of the pixel pile.
I have to say that because it isn't intended to be changed dynamically as you change and customize your piles.
It'll be based on the original
version of your pixel pile. And so with ApeCoin being the native asset, a native token for
other side, I think it makes sense. And a lot of collections have been kind of taking that
same idea and bringing these 2D assets into like a 3D realm by creating and making these assets
available to their community members.
Some will just create some base models where everybody can use and represent the project.
But VoxelPiles intends to be a one-to-one match to your pixel file.
And so yeah, I'm just wrapping that up and working on just like weight painting and rigging.
And all those will be available on the launch of the site and the level up contract.
So in order to get access to it, you'll actually need to do the migration.
So, you know, the idea is like in the interim, there would be two contracts.
There would be the original OG contract, which is just a pile. And then there would be the new upgrade, which is the level up contract. And it's an upgradable set of contracts that allows me to continue to build and optimize and so on over time.
be where all the utility and access is going to be for. So that's the incentive for people to kind
of migrate. So it's a burn mechanic to claim. So you kind of essentially migrate by burning the
original one to claim the exact same one on the new contract. And that instantly gives you access
to all the other utilities that I'll continue to build on moving forward. Just a little about me,
I'm a dev, a long time dev, 20 plus years, and even longer
artists. And I like to dive into a whole bunch of different, you know, softwares and so on,
whether it's 3D modeling, AR, VR, you name it. And so I intend to kind of put all those different
skills into play here and provide really cool utilities on and off chain for our holders. And so
provide really cool utilities on and off chain for our holders.
And so, yeah, man, you know, Pixel Piles, Voxel Piles,
all this stuff is coming.
So just pay attention if you're not already, of course.
For sure, man.
Dude, I love that you mentioned, you know, being an OG in Ape Chain,
building all of this stuff, right?
But one quick question, like, how do you handle, you know,
community fatigue or even FUD during, like, quite a period? Because I feel like Project Founder, you handle you know community fatigue or even fart during like quieter period
because i feel like project founder especially you know if you launch like nfts and having you
know certain expectation uh especially when the quieter market you know we need to pivot it or
even you know do different more strategies to keep people engaged so how do you handle that
it's funny um context is a super important so super important. So I build and sell companies IRO.
I've already successfully sold two companies and I have one large company that's actually 10 years
old now. And this one, it's a digital publishing company. And I think a lot of changes in terms of
and I think a lot of changes in terms of advertising and so on, you kind of get
different changes in the market and you have to be flexible. You have to be willing to change
on the fly and really adjust your whole strategy, your conversion funnels and user funnels and
everything, right? So for me coming into Web3, I kind of apply the same thought process I do there.
It's like, you know what?
Like if, you know, as long as you keep building, you keep pivoting, don't worry about it.
And when I say don't worry about it, like I have certain KPIs that I focus on.
And it would be like the user retention rate, the amount of holders, you know, the number of listings, the number of holders that actually are listings, those are things that I focus on where other people focus on floor price.
And so, you know, I think of those KPIs as kind of like a good measure of overall sentiment.
And, you know, and I'm actively involved in the Ape Chain community.
I think that's something that's super important in an attention economy is just being visibly and available, right? Visibly seen and available, you know, to the community, the wider community, whether they're holding or not. And over time, people will see that value. And yeah, it's proven to be successful, you know, despite any drops in a floor price or anything like that. You know,
it's a very, very volatile market in general, right? Like web three, let alone NFTs. And,
you know, with the drop of, we've seen ApeCoin reach, you know, since the inception of ApeChain,
we've seen ApeCoin reach $2 plus. So being around 40 cents, you know, you would think that's
something that's super disheartening to some people who might have top blasted it, whatever.
But the vibes continue to be the main driving force for people to kind of come in at any point.
And they usually tend to seek out OG communities.
Like earlier you asked the question, what do you invest in here?
What are you building in terms of your bag?
And I tend to invest in communities and project founders that have been around to kind of withstand
the volatility of Ape Chain so far and are still building or that are still showing up every day.
Maybe not every day, but if you're showing up often enough to spaces and you're interacting,
engaging with your community, providing updates, that's usually what I intend to kind of, you know, pack my bags with those projects.
And so as long as I'm kind of meeting those same expectations that I would set for others, you know, fuck the floor price, right?
Fuck the floor price.
We'll get there in time.
So that's how I feel.
Got it, man.
Dude, it is refreshing to hear someone,
you know, bullish as fuck on the ecosystem.
Yeah, price is down,
but I think like vibes are high.
And if price is down
and the vibes are down as well,
then I think that is a good sign
to get the fuck out of it.
But Profit, back to you, man.
Love to share, you know,
love for you to share some of the stuff
that you've been building right now absolutely thank you um at the moment i finally have uh come up with a
really cool idea that it's funny because it's it's uh for me i'm picky i'm picky when it comes
to executing on things if you notice uh for those that maybe pay attention um i like to align with
like with good things with with with projects and things that are that are decent you notice, for those that maybe pay attention, I like to align with good things, with projects and things that are decent, good for the eco overall.
And if I'm being honest, since being on the internet since I was 19, I'm 32 now, it's scary when you try to put something out, right?
You're facing being judged.
You're facing people not liking whatever you're trying to sell them.
You're facing all not liking whatever you're trying to sell them. You're facing all types of stuff.
So if I'm being honest and vulnerable at the moment, yeah, I've never wanted to face those
responsibilities.
So coming into Web3, I was like, well, I'm going to be very strategic and picky with
how I go about doing anything.
And for years, it's win NFT, win meme coin profits, win this, win that.
And I'm like, I don't want to do any of those things.
It doesn't really feel right for me uh kudos to everybody that has done things and executed and
and doubled down on what they what they love to do doing it through nfts because this is uh this
is not easy this is not simple but to answer your question um i finally came up with uh with a cool
idea putting it into more of like a web app um Basically, I'm going to call it the Luma on
steroids, recorded space, first time I'm saying it. But that's what I'm building at the moment.
Everything pretty much consisting of all the cool things that I do all year long and all the people
that I work with, kind of putting it all into one. And there's a little bit of an extra exciting
aspect that hasn't been done yet that I won't go too deep into here, unfortunately.
But yeah, that's what I'm excited for.
I've been here for years and I already know what your next question is going to be.
Why ApeCoin? Why ApeChain?
But the reason being is because, you know, this is the club that not only has had my heart since day one, but have always supported me.
Whenever I needed something,
whenever I needed any help, shout out to Illa, shout out to some of the team there,
always looking to like, hey, let me connect you here. Hey, let me connect you here.
And so I said, why not? Let me shoot my shot and do it through ApeCoin, through ApeChain
and submit an AIP. And so that's the reasoning. I don't think there's any other perfect place for
me to be at the moment than here. But yeah, that's kind of what I got going on. Everything I've ever done
kind of jumbled into one cool web app that everybody's going to have access to and going
to want to have access to because of all the cool benefits that you get for using it.
Dude, I am excited because you mentioned the Three secret word, which is AIP.
Is it live yet? Can we vote yet?
No voting yet. It's on the way. I'll say this. It's funny because months ago, shout out to my boy Lost.
He's like, hey, you better put it in that AIP, bro. Some shifting to change.
No, but I actually like all the new changes, man. That's good.
I think that's needed, right? I'm bullish on that.
For so long, we were watching things get approved and people were like, wait, That's good. I think that's needed. I'm bullish on that. For so long, we
were watching things get approved and people were like, wait, where's the money? I'm not the type
to be like, oh, somebody shouldn't get money. Whatever. I'm not the decision maker. But some
stuff is just like, wait, why are we doing that? Or what is the benefit overall? So yeah, I'm in
the moment of, I'm in the hot seat, answering all the questions it looks like i just got a new round of questions from the new chief in town which i'm more than
happy to answer so i'll be finishing up that this week but um loss is probably the pro knows better
than when this shit's going to go to vote than i do but we're in that process right now puke and
i'll come back here to tell you when to go vote i'm i'm excited why i i've been through the process myself.
And man, the questions will be brutal.
Scary!
The questions will be brutal.
It's like, really?
And after you explain, it's like, yeah, but I don't care.
More!
More!
Yeah.
But I feel like, like what you said,
so many changes happening.
I submitted, got approved, and also need to submit like you know reports and stuff like that people are getting accountable for it and one
funny post that i see that i feel you guys will agree is especially the updates of the ape hotel
uh with the blankets have you seen it profits no i have not. Tell me. Please tell me. Please fucking tell me. Oh, all right.
I'll send you up to this.
But basically, the ape hotel, it's like the rooms are ready.
And the only ape branding is the sheets.
That's it.
That's it.
That's it.
That's all I'm going to say.
But everyone, Los is here finally.
But I'm going to say, man, like, this is the only community,
Lost always mention this,
so I'm going to preach it,
just to show that,
hey, Lost,
I'm doing my work
and not relying fully on you,
but this is the only community
that you come in,
you know people,
you submit shit,
and you get paid,
and doing,
and building it,
yes,
this is the right community for you,
yeah,
it's easy,
Lost,
I approve,
but GM,
how are you doing,
brother, checking in? I'm wiping the crust out of for yeah, it's easy loss. I approve but GM are you doing brother checking in?
I'm wiping the crust out of my eyes
It's 741 for this guy right here
Yeah, I'm I'm wiping the crust out of my eye
I'm glad the stage didn't start at 630 today like normal
Fuck look at look at all the apes just showing up. So this must be the the damn board ape run club or something
It's like five o'clock in the fucking morning guys what's good no I'm just
kidding this is great I mean you got approved AIP authors you got pending AIP
authors you got some of the artists in the community got ape chain and if T
founders up here you got crypto bullies brand new in the club from a chain like
this is a fucking dream team camel right here I'm gonna I mean if you guys are
just joining in you better be following all these people up on the stage.
You better be following the Ape Chain Hub.
And if you, if you, if you heard profits, you better get ready to get your votes together.
I don't have an answer though.
I heard that question.
I heard.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I don't, I don't have answers.
Really?
Lost?
First time?
No answers.
First time you don't have answers for it?
Come on, Lost.
You know what it is?
He has it. He's scared to be wrong, Pew it? Come on, Lost. You know what it is? He has it.
He's scared to be wrong, Pew,
because he knows my wrath.
So I get it.
It's totally fine.
No worries at all.
That's right.
That's right.
Oh, man.
Lost, lost, lost.
We are...
Dude, you're late.
I'm just going to put it out there.
I know it's difficult for you to wake up,
but you sleep way too late
because I noticed
you hanging out on spaces way too up, but you sleep way too late because I noticed you're hanging out on
spaces way too much, but
that's probably because all of the ape coin
spaces are just popping out out of nowhere.
But give us the rundown.
What's happening?
A lot of apes are going over to Dubai.
Is there anything happening
in Dubai? You gotta let me know like three weeks
in advance, dude.
We gotta figure it out three weeks in advance for for that one
April late bro April late low key yeah that's why I get my plane ticket like the day of the event
you know because we we sometimes we just we're locking it in sometimes the day of the event you
know I'm I'm just kidding this stuff that's that is being worked on is already months out.
I don't know any hard dates on anything extremely exciting right now.
I haven't heard anything crazy official for Token 2049.
I've heard people asking about consensus.
I imagine we might have some local apes that are there on the ground,
maybe some local leaders running some community events that are around there.
Prophets might even have the alpha for Dubai, because i heard that and saw that she was going to be
you missed it boppy you missed the alpha because you were late that's why it's all right we'll
tell you later no i'm just kidding yeah i'm just kidding fair enough i'll give you some alpha
because obviously it's the board up yachtpe Yacht Club so and there's water
there's going to be
a yacht party somewhere
always
yeah
and there was a day
always
you have the Dubai Apes
right
I mean like
they definitely
can do something
I think last year
they did something
last year
everywhere was water
right
so you don't really need
a yacht
to go on it
you just be in your car and that's it you are on the on the water as well but Last year, everywhere was water, right? So you don't really need a yacht to go on it.
You just be in your car and that's it.
You are on the water as well.
But yes, last.
Excited?
I feel like we ran through everything.
And the next thing I'm going to ask is, especially in this market, right?
Making it more of an open conversation.
It's love to get your opinion of like,
what are some of the core fundamentals?
First, core fundamentals that you're doubling down.
Second is, you know, what are some of the trends fundamentals. First, core fundamentals that you're doubling down. Second is, what are some of the trends
that you're keeping your eye on?
So I'm going to go back to Profit first.
You're talking about, hey, you know,
Luma on steroids.
I'm going to mention it one more time.
Luma on steroids.
What are some of the trends you're looking at?
Because especially, everybody's using Luma these days
and events is happening left, right, and center.
Right now, it's like Hong Kong Web3 Festival.
At the same time, it's Paris Blockchain Week.
And then last week was Southeast Asia Blockchain Week in Thailand.
And then in three weeks' time, it's Token Dubai.
So in real life, event this year is absolutely crushing it.
Love to hear your take profits.
Are we shifting more?
Is it more people coming to events?
Because some events do well,
some events doesn't need your input on this.
Great question.
I think the more that more companies
come out in this space,
specifically, obviously, TechWeb3,
the more that they're realizing
how important IRL activations are,
not only to kind to legitimize what
you're doing, but really because they're realizing that IRL is where you get a high level, if not the
most, conversion. You're there, you download this for a free drink or whatever it is, and then it's
like, oh, what is this? I know that's happened to me many times. I want the free drink. I'll scan and download whatever the fuck
you want me to download. And a lot of times I'm learning about new apps and new projects
through this way. And I think a lot of builders have come and went to these events. And I know
because they come to mine. I've gone to other events and talked to them and they're like,
damn, I have a cool idea. I should, I should. And I'm like, do it, bro. Especially if you have the money, like what, what are you waiting for?
Like, this is, this is important. And so to answer your question, um, I think the, the IR rents are,
IRL events are getting better. Um, I'll say this. I think it's also started to become obvious
what events to spend your time, money and and energy on, whether a consumer or a
builder, because let's face it, some stuff is a waste, I think. I think some stuff is a waste,
and it sucks, but it is what it is, and you have to really be strategic and picky about
where you decide to kind of activate or where you decide to kind of be and spend money on going on
these trips. I see some people in chats like, oh, I wasted money going.
And I'm like, well, did you have a goal when you went?
Did you like, why are you going?
Are you just going to go?
Because we could get drunk anywhere in the world.
Like you don't have to spend a $3,000, you know, budget or ticket or whatever on a flight to go get lit, man.
Be a little strategic.
But yeah, I hope that answers your question.
I think IRL events are on the up and up in our space.
And I'm very bullish on all up and up in our space and
Very bullish on all the people that have ideas that were once small but now they're big because you decided to bring that shit IRL
All right preach it preach it
Thank you for that. I'm glad that we're gonna go to Dubai me everyone loss after the space Please go buy a ticket don't do like the last minute thing and then scrambling and finding places to stay.
So lost after this, go buy your ticket.
My dates are 28 to 4th.
That's it.
I already pre-planned it for you.
But Phil, back over to you, man.
What about you?
What are some of like, you know,
core fundamentals you're doubling down
or even, you know,
what are some of the angles that you see,
you know, right now,
the trends that we are heading over to?
Yeah, I think obviously activations on chain are literally about to go through the roof.
By go through the roof, it might be maybe a month, it might be two months.
But, you know, for those who aren't aware in the space of the bodega,
I'd strongly recommend you go and check out the made by apes uh basically
initiative um which you know they've got an awesome new website uh that's been put together
um i think currently there's just over 470 and lost you can obviously correct me on this if you
want but 470 projects roughly um on the bodega website um but i think in reality there's actually
over 500 um so it's um obviously that's still
getting updated uh for obvious reasons but um the fact is is that all of these projects are made by
eight projects and all you know the high majority of them are trying to activate onto a chain with
in real life products um you know integrating apecoin and you and obviously that huge network effect.
So where Yuga, in my personal opinion,
where the club has done really well is basically activating the builders, like Profit has said,
and essentially doubling down on that network effect.
And I think we're only just really about to see
the true benefits of that come to life
towards the end of this year.
So yeah, pretty exciting times.
All right, got it.
Checking in with Roxo, how about you, Ben?
Yeah, so right now just kind of building
with our IRL mural business,
about to go to different states and locations
with Verizon to do some brand activations,
connecting Web3 as well.
Yeah, there's a lot of cool stuff that we have in the works.
Core values are just to motivate and educate people in the Web3 and Web2 space
and to create cool content and connect with different brands.
And in terms of trend, where are you looking the market going to because obviously right now
everybody's like shit i see a lot of people leaving the space uh content creators not too
sure what to talk about and our market is just right right for every project so for you what
are some of the stuff that you'll be doubling down or even like trends that you've been following
right now i think it's a lot of it's been like pulling
towards like ai so like the new ai updates um figuring out you know there's all types of
different facets to it you got like interior design you can create like your own business plan
figure out like what your brand is like in the blink of an eye normally you will have to hire
out you know five or ten different people to get these solutions.
But now AI is pretty much a creative calculator for people and for people in this space to just kind of problem solve like in real time.
So those are some of the, you know, patterns that we've been noticing in the space.
All right. Got it.
Crypto Bullies, how about you, man?
Yeah, man.
I think anybody that's incorporating, you know, any technology that's kind of like evolving
is hella bullish, right?
Sometimes you just kind of move with the times.
I agree.
I think AI is super important as well.
AR, VR, you you know anything along that
and then again i mean if we're here building other side and we're looking to kind of build out
you know the first real conceptualized metaverse um i think anything supporting that initiative
or aligning with that initiative i'm bullish on. So, yeah, I think I'd say that for sure.
All right.
Los, Los, I've been seeing a lot of people.
We've been talking the longest time about Ape Chain, Ape Coin.
But my timeline, you know, I think last week and this week,
a lot of people are talking about other side.
Well, what's happening there, bro?
So you fired me up, you rounded me up to do fundamentals,
and then you asked me a question about something I have absolutely no clue about.
I'm not on the other side team.
Other side is on Ape Chain.
Other side will be an incredible game, an incredible app,
an incredible platform on Ape Chain, but it's not my team.
I mean, they're not necessarily the same. You should have information, bro.
Come on, don't disappoint me.
Some information, but I mean, it's not like I have any
crazy reveals or anything.
I think most people are pretty familiar with all
the exciting things that Ape Chain has
been doing to get Other Side more
into the limelight. A bunch of deeds
sitting in the vault there for the Ape Chain
hub, for the Ape Point Intern.
So people have been...
I mean, really... I mean, it's been great
to watch all the people finding
their way into other side deeds for me it's crazy to see the excitement that people are getting
from receiving the other side deeds because for me they've been around for years and so like i guess
i've seen different conversations i've seen you know them come and go from people's wallets i was
there when they minted i was there when the mutants minted but now we've got this whole new wave of
people now we've got this whole new community of people. Now we've got this whole new community on Ape Chain that doesn't necessarily have the same exposure to the other side.
Doesn't have the three, four years history of watching Yuga make decisions, Yuga on the timeline, the other side coming to life.
And then the whatever months of demos that we've been going through waiting for this persistent state.
It's insane.
An other side deed is like $350 maybe, depending which one you get, it's around $500.
And depending on where you're at, like, yeah, that's maybe like a week's paycheck. So I'm not
saying that's like a little bit of money for some people. Maybe that's a lot of money for some
people. Maybe that's not a lot of money, but I mean, in the grand scheme of things, if we're
comparing it to a mutant or an ape, if we're comparing it to a coda, it's on the lower end
of the spectrum of the cost for Yuga assets. But the level of excitement
that people get when they receive those deeds, when they get the recognition, when they have a
sense of being able to build more with their community, it's fucking insane. So, I mean, I
think that's the alpha for the other side. If you guys aren't paying attention to how excited some
of these builders are, some of these founders are when they're getting those deeds, they're holding
those deeds, they're telling their community that they're going to build, that
they want to build, that they're going to have a presence for them in the other side.
Pay attention, because that's that asymmetry of information.
That's that, you know, why does a stock go from $6 to $100 all of a sudden?
It's because, you know, the asymmetry of information.
Something was being done underlying there that not everybody understood, and it's going
to come around eventually.
So I think, you know, that's what's going on for the other side.
But fundamentals for the Ape Chain community, you guys touched on some of it.
The Ape Chain community is here.
The Ape Team, Ape Chain team is also here.
Like feet on the ground, supporting the community at a protocol level.
Those same giveaways.
The Ape Chain team is cooking.
The Ape Chain team is looking.
They know.
The team knows.
We know.
I know.
You guys know we know who's been here for a long time. We recognize when people just start to show up, when people haven't
necessarily been here for a long time. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know.
Oh, I thought you were singing. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm singing. I'm always singing. You know,
I got lyrics just bumping and bouncing around in my head. But yeah, I mean, and the feet on
the ground, it's not just social media. Just like Proppett said, it's IRL. We're at the events, whether it's with an activation,
whether we're just one or two people there on the ground.
I was out there in GDC, just one man, one band, making connections,
making sure our name's in the hat for good discussions,
making sure people are aware of our presence as Ape Chain, as the ape community,
making sure people see some crazy shit sometimes when we show up too,
because we are still the ape community.
But we're in these discussions.
We're watching.
We're listening.
We're budgeting.
We're executing.
Things are happening on the timeline.
Our community gets all the coolest shit.
That's the fundamentals.
Fundamentally, BoardApeYachtClub is the coolest club on the internet.
ApeCoin, ApeChain is here.
We get access to all of the coolest shit.
And if you're doubting, if you're wondering, if you're curious,
what are you talking about?
Look at the timeline.
Look at ApeCoin account right now. Look at what the top four winners
of the spotlight just won. All access to Coachella. You cannot buy the access. You cannot buy the
passes that this guy, that Moe has earned, has won for second place in the spot fight to Coachella.
Their artist passes. He's literally going to be on the stage, backstage. He's literally going to be
where these guys are eating. You talk about conversion rates at IRL, he's going to be where the artists go to eat, where they have their guard
down, where they're chilling, where they're eating, where there's couches. He doesn't have to drive.
He doesn't have to walk between stages, right? Like Coachella, it's in the middle of the fucking
desert. It's hot. It's big. It's fun. He doesn't have to drive between that. He doesn't have to
walk between the stages. I keep saying drive because he's going to be driven between the
stages. He's going to have a golf cart that drives him between stages.
Like he's literally like the prince of the event with, with, uh, with this past. That's the kind
of access we're talking about the Oscars. You saw, we sent people to the Oscars. Yeah, there's the
F1 thing. People feel one way or another about it, but the F1 is a major BD experience. Like
it's a whole event. People don't just go there to watch cars spin in a circle and turn left for
fucking four hours. There's a whole concert that goes on. There's catered, whatever, catering.
There's high level people here. Sorry, I was going to say there's high level people there as
well at those F1 events. I think that's bullish. That's what I'm talking about. That's the BD I'm
talking about. Up in that paddock club where there's catering, it's 20 grand a fucking ticket.
It's not just Joe Schmo and Buck and Chuck from Texas watching the race. These are the owners of businesses. The other sponsors on the car with ApeCoin is like Yahoo, is Microsoft. Those are our partners in this collaboration with F1. That's huge.
in this collaboration with F1, that's huge.
BMW, we're in art galleries, we're talking to museums,
like, maybe that's a little alpha.
And then, boom, at the center of it all,
it's fucking Bordeaux Biot Club.
Like, you want access to cool shit?
What better access could you get
than to the coolest fucking club in the world?
So, like, the recognition of that, I think,
is huge for the community,
and then expanding our footprint
to all these new exciting channels.
I have some alpha that I would love to tell you right now,
but it's actually so exciting.
I can't, I shouldn't. I could, I won't. I won't now, but it's actually so exciting. I can't.
I shouldn't.
I could.
I won't.
I won't.
I just won't.
That's what I'll say.
I won't tell you what it is, but it's going to be coming soon.
And you guys are going to be like, oh, shit.
I can't be like half FUD, half excitement.
It's fucking nuts.
It's very exciting.
It's not like a fucking airdrop or anything like that.
But I just said we're looking at new channels.
So take that as you will.
All of the content. We want more content. all the shit, all you guys in here,
we need all of it. Paid, earned, shared, owned, the whole fucking pay-so model. We need mean
shit. We need education. We need workshop, everything. We can go for, we're at like
10 right now in the ApeCoin ecosystem for all the content. Maybe 10 is being like generous.
So we could literally go from zero to 100 with illustrations,
with animations, with GIFs, with workshops.
It could come from you guys in the community,
and I expect it will.
It's also going to come at a team level,
at a protocol level too.
So boom, fundamentals.
Whew.
I lost it.
Do what I told you to do,
which is wake up every morning
and just run to your phone five minutes
on what is happening on ApeCoin and just post it out
dude you do that every
time on the spaces bro
I do it for you guys I do it for you guys this is your content
I got my own thing going on on the side
I come here I give it to you guys
alright
CryptoBoo you raised your hand what's up
I was gonna
say it sounded like he was about to get into crazy alpha.
And I'm like, look, man, before you do, definitely hold the listeners accountable.
Go ahead and like and retweet this room.
I mean, there's like 300 and something people listening right now.
And we got 30 retweets.
Guys, come on.
We can do better than this.
This conversion rate is not so great.
Go ahead and retweet the room, man.
We've got to keep the vibes going, get more people
in here. And yeah,
sorry, that's my two cents on that.
HHM is not fucking around about
support. You better support each other
or else we're supporting each other competitively.
We're PVP about support. If you're not
supporting each other, we're coming for you.
Following as well. Make
sure we follow. Let's go. Yeah, this
is the pink haired ape up here yelling
for a follow let's go everybody up here deserves a follow yes i second that and if you are tuning
onto the spaces and even not following the speakers i don't know what you guys are doing
guys come on give them the support check out what they are building because all of these people are
building cool shit phil you got your hand raised what's up yeah i do apologize um lost profit moonlight crypto biz everyone who's on stage um yeah bring
the vibes bring the energy absolutely love it um but puke i've got to bail i do apologize i've got
to get to another event um so i just wanted to say thank you for obviously having us up thank you for
the invite and uh yeah we'll see you on the next one but um you're in good hands i'll leave you to it all right for sure but guys uh phil just as you are leaving the space time's
up because we have the second segment uh sorry the third segment of the spaces to go so uh before
we wrap up the space and transition over to the next one any of you speakers up on stage
if you want to say some final moments just
raise your head go ahead anybody yeah profit go okay yeah i was gonna say i'll hit all you guys
right now if you guys don't speak for yourselves go profit no i just want to say puke continue to
do what you do man i appreciate everything you've done for this space up until now i think you're
one of the most important voices in our space uh since 2021, we've seen a lot come and go.
And it's very amazing to see people like you thrive and continue to also give the spotlight to others.
So thank you so much.
Thank you, everybody, that tuned in today and listened to everybody speak.
It means the world to us.
Ape Club's, Ape Club, Board Ape Club on top.
Everybody else, appreciate you.
Thank you so much, appreciate you.
Thank you so much,
Puke.
Have a good one.
Profits,
how do you,
while throwing out emojis?
Like,
guys,
is that like multitasking?
Is that you hire somebody to do it?
Like,
what's happening, guys?
Like,
I could not figure out
how people can talk
while throwing out emojis.
I'm doing it right now,
which is pretty bad.
But,
yes, guys,
thank you so much
for joining us. Shout out to all of the speakers. Profits, which is pretty bad. But yes, guys, thank you so much for joining us.
Shout out to all of the speakers.
Profits, RoseSoul, CryptoBullies, Moonlight, Loss, Phil as well.
Thank you so much for spending your one hour with us.
And to the listeners down there, if you guys like it, do follow them.
Check out all of the amazing stuff they're building.
Me and Profits and Loss Lost, hopefully Lost buy his tickets.
We are heading over to Dubai.
So if you guys are going over,
definitely do hit us up.
Send us a DM.
Love to connect you guys in real life
because that is the alpha.
All right, guys.
Once again, thank you for tuning in.
We do this 8 coin spaces together.
We Lost every Wednesday, 10 a.m. EST,
which is, I don't know,
7 a.m. for Lost,
but it's okay.
Lost love to wake up early
to do spaces.
All right, guys.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
Gonna play some music
while we transition over
to the third segment.
Take care.
Peace. She got me in a motion.
She got me in a motion.
She got me in a motion.
She got me in a motion.
She got me in a motion.
She got me in a motion. I tell you more shit, I'm gonna trade She don't even know
She don't even know
She don't even know
She don't even know
She don't even know
She don't even know
She don't even know
She don't even know
She don't even know
She don't even know She don't even know She got me in a mall side, she got me in a train
I feel like it's a mall side, got me in a train
She got me in a mall side, she got me in the tracks Субтитры сделал DimaTorzok а Thank you. It's so long
It's so long
It's been a while, it's been a while honestly since we
hosted back to back
spaces because
Puke has been
traveling way too
much but thankfully
next three weeks
rooted hosting
spaces I'm still
going to bring you
up on station
Los stop laughing
Los is still here
vibing checking out
different ecosystems
so bullish on that
for you Los
you are able to chill
and listen to Puke Voice
for another hour,
so no worries.
Not going to give you
the hard question, bro.
But yes,
we are talking about
Scale Network,
and if you guys are still
bullish on Web3 Gaming,
guys, you gotta like,
retweet the space,
because everything
you'll be talking about
is building on scale
built differently.
So, shout out to all the people
who is tuning in
so far.
If I have not
lost your interest yet,
and especially,
shout out to Ghost Merc.
You said you've been
on the Spacers
tuning for the last two hours.
Dude, bullish on you, man.
How are you doing, brother?
Exactly, exactly, man.
Thank you a lot.
Thank you, thank you.
I've been doing great.
I've been also
very happy to see that there are so many
projects building amazing stuff basically um i've also become a dad recently and congrats bro has
basically changed drastically thank you thank you and i'm trying to juggle between working on the
project and uh staying with the kid as well. And I need to find a healthy balance
basically as well, you know?
But you know that there is no balance, right?
That is true.
Yes, family comes first.
Bro, bro, there is no balance.
Like if I were to get married now
and have a kid,
I'm not sure how do I do it.
Like guys,
you know, you're going to lose
your dad
for every night
five hours
because he's just
going to be on spaces.
You know what I mean?
But no worries.
Apparently,
there's another dad
here in the audience.
Golden,
checking in with you,
how do you handle
Web3 lifestyle
and handling your kid?
Oh, man.
I'm on the way
to homeschool PE right now. So, I mean, we're living it right oh man I'm on the way to homeschool PE right now
so I mean
we're living it right now
I'm on the space
on the way to do
something right now
I mean we juggle it
and then
be in Dubai
at the end of this month
they understand
that he has to make
some trips for business
so it's all good
alright
seems like
Golden has this
locked down
no worries girls
I feel like
you will get
the right balance for your life.
But I got to check in with you.
The last, I would say, last quarter
gone by in a flesh.
How has it been for you?
The last quarter coming into Q2 right now.
Check, check.
Ghost, are you there?
Yeah. Are you asking everyone um i'm asking ghost merc checking in are you there bro oh sorry sorry man oh yes yes yes yeah uh to be honest uh we have been really focusing on development only
right so we haven't been focusing on uh let's say, fundraising or building up the community
until now, right? This was the main thing that we did so far, because I personally believe that
it's really important to have a product to showcase first, right? And the most important
thing that we are doing now, basically, is having the game released in the pre-alpha stage
and obviously gathering as much feedback as possible.
So this is what we are focusing on now, basically.
And this is what we have been doing from, I believe,
quarter three last year until now.
And it is, I believe, the thing that we are also going to do
for the next couple of months as well.
So I am pretty excited of what we are making now, basically.
And hopefully we can gather, how should I say, some feedback regarding our game so we can obviously improve it, right?
So, yeah.
Yep, for sure, man.
Okay, I want to check in with P-Sukdi.
Is that how I mentioned it, bro?
P-Sukdi?
Yes, P-Sukdi.
P-Sukdi, P-Sukdi.
P-Sukdi.
What does it mean, bro?
Yeah.
So, to be honest, it's the mixing of two words, pixels and ludi.
It's a game from the Latin language.
And that's how the name of the game was born.
To be honest, right now, we don't have a lot of pixels in our main flagman project but we are going to release more pixel versions of our
standard board games because yes pixudi is it's a web 2.54 game and right now we are preparing
launch of pixudi multiverse and also we are preparing our uh travel to the bay for token 2049 i'll see you there
yeah we'll be we'll yeah cool cool we'll be glad to meet with you and with everyone because uh this
year is awesome the previous years was awesome and this year is too, despite all these rumors, despite all this market situation and so on, everything is cool.
Because right now is the best time to develop, to build something, to create something, to earn more money, to attract more users and so on.
And it's the best time because right now we are in the jungle.
We are in the jungle.
We don't know what will happen tomorrow. And it's time for us to be the hero in this jungle so that's why
we'll be glad to meet with everyone who's someone on in the bay and yeah i'm i'm glad to share
updates updates that we have right now awesome man dude I love to see it
because
quick
I've done it
so many times
when someone
is on Spaces
and all of a sudden
it's like hey
next week
I'm actually going
to this event
I was like
shit I'm going too
and we ended up
going to a different city
hanging out
meeting people
and all of a sudden
it's like dude
we vibe together
but Gordon
you had your hand raised. I know, I'm
excited. Finally, after what,
two years, I'm going to meet you in Dubai,
dude. Yeah,
for sure, for sure. Definitely going to be there.
I had a question
for Pixudi. Is that how you say it?
Pixudi? Yes. Pixudi?
Pixudi. Pixudi.
Pixudi, gotcha.
I was just wondering, are they a pixel trading game, like a card game,
or is this something where you guys are going to have pixel characters
almost similar to like pixels?
No, Pixudi, it's a Web 2.4 game.
So the nearest example is Mario Party.
It's like Mario Party for Web 3. But for Web 2.
And we, I mean, in the first version,
about two years ago, we have an idea
to start with like pixel graphics.
But later, we have changed the concept a little.
But again, in the new updates,
we will have more Pixel Heroes.
And Pixel, it's not just about Pixudi.
It's not only about the game.
It's about everything we are creating
because right now it's a big, big secret.
But right now we are developing two more especially pixel games
one survival game and one farm game and this time it will be fully uh like using pixel graphics
um yeah okay okay are you checking so that your doctor could play the Pixel game? What's happening, bro?
Oh, no. I have the Pixel
LAN, so I was just trying to see
what's the difference
between this game and that game
and then with all their building
with Pixuti compared to Pixels.
Yes, we're not card game.
We're more like board game.
Like more strategy game. source yes we're not card game we are more like board game like harrowsoft might like more
strategy game um i'm a big fan of card games because i'm a big fan of pokemon tcg game and
to be honest it's one of my dream to create like some card game which can be such famous as like Pokemon, TCG.
But I think these plans for the future right now,
we are focusing on what we are doing.
All right. Thank you for that.
I want to quickly pass over to other speakers as well.
We have Sandeep checking in. How are you doing?
Yeah, I'm doing good.
Yo, how's life, man?
How's life becoming a Web3 founder, building in Web3?
You gotta tell me more, dude.
Yeah, I mean, so we started our first Web3 game back in 2018.
So I can say it as like a rollercoaster ride in between these bull cycles and bear cycles.
So we have built a farming simulation green back in 2018 which is still running and it has been like this crypto roller coaster ride has been a great experience. We have learned a lot like
what are the things we should be doing in bull cycle and what are the things we should be doing
in bear cycles. There is a lot of lessons we have learned some hard lessons
some smart lessons this market has teached us a lot so now we have we are releasing our second
game the first game what we have is like a farming simulation game just like a formula of web 3. we released that back in the days where
there is no games are not a playable games all the games so by the time when we are releasing
there are like hardly like three four games were existing including uh uh crypto kitties uh
tron dogs hardly three four games existing at the time and we have came across a long way now
But all that the game right it is a farming simulation game
So now we have shifted our
Genre to we are launching launching our about to launch our second game
Which is like in a battle and a whole expansion game which is coming on a scale network. So we are pretty much excited about it
network. So we are pretty much
excited about it.
Got it, got it.
I think like you, I love it when
you have experience, you know, building up
games, right? And you mentioned about
building in the bull, in the bear is totally
different. Like, what's the difference?
And right now, since everybody's
calling it, you know, a bear, a
bull bear or bear market, what
are some of like the changes
you are approaching to build out your game, especially on Skill Network?
Yeah.
So, honestly speaking, when we talk about what to do
in bull and bear cycles, right?
Technically, honestly speaking,
there is nothing to build in bull cycle.
In the bull cycle, right, typically you should be uh showcasing this uh
uh the product what you have built and a lot of you need to spend a lot of your energy on like uh
taking these your product to mass or mass users you should be spending a lot of energy on that
not to building and this bear cycle this bear in the bear cycle it's the best time to build
there is no uh i mean
whatever is happening in the market right you just calmly simply do a chill or worry about nothing
just build build and build so you just uh prepare for the next bull cycle you just anticipate like
okay how can be the market will be in this coming bull cycle and what are the things in order to
give a tough competition in order to survive or give a tough competition to top games in the bull next coming bull circle right how our product
should be and all these strategies right it is a bear market is like an best time to do all the
strategies and build some robust product and when it comes to scale uh one thing what it impressed
us a lot right see typically there are like many networks
and each and every network having like a lot of features
and extra if you keep all aside as far some time, right?
What is the beauty of a scale network, right?
The scale team also,
but the moment you started working with the scale,
the network also will be a scale network,
team also will become a team.
They suggest, okay, you should should be they become our user actually so they
suggest a lot of things like what should is good or what is right and they bring
all their expertise expertise into the product and they also I mean literally
that they will become your first user and see your your first feedback and how
the market is going to react or their audience
I mean any audience going to react
so that's the beauty of scale, no network is doing
that actually, so
for all the networks right okay the game need to be
in there just their network that's it
but the scale team is something doing
different which
I mean where I which impressed me a lot
their way of approach
alright got it.
I see, Pixudy, you raised your hand.
Go ahead.
Yes.
If someone says to you that beer markets kill game development
or something like this, that's fully lying,
and everybody knows it.
If someone tells that it's impossible to build a beer market,
I have to stop the development,
they either make excuses, excuses, coming, or simply
not a builder. Because real builder,
real game builder,
what is pool market, BR market,
it's not important. It's not important
at all. Because you
just need to build and
create games and earn money
with your game, selling the game.
Real creators don't wait for this market signal.
And if some game close or stop development
because of BR market, it's not a game.
It's just commerce or somebody
who wanted to make some easy money.
Just look at Stardew Valley, for example.
One of the most beloved in the games of all time.
It was developed by one
fucking single person with zero funding no studio no grants just vision passion and and
wish to create the game and as big study we are trying to do the same and with scale zero gas
fees high performance different marketing campaigns, and so on,
we are empowered to deliver this experience,
real-time gameplay, and so on, and so on.
And that's why, I mean,
any time in your life is best to create the game.
And if you try to create something fun, something attractive,
and you can create it with scale especially because you can create the same Web 2 logic
because of zero gas phase, account abstraction that you can implement with this, with zero gas fees.
So it allows you to create the same game
that you are able to create in Web 2.
But you will also have some advantages
from Web 3 with scale.
That's why, while others wait for the bull run,
we are building legends.
And you should choose
your side now.
Bro,
that is heavy. Absolutely love
it because I feel like when you're building
and especially if you have conviction
in the product that you're building, whether it's
bull, whether it's bear, it doesn't matter at all
because end of the day, if the product is
good and it's great, people will
play it and people will be excited for it.
So I think like
whatever you say is valid.
Love to hear more
from all of other people,
but Ghost, you raise your hand.
So over to you, buddy.
Oh, yes, yes.
Thank you, thank you.
Just like Pixoli said, right?
It's really important
to choose the right chain as well
depending on the game that you right chain as well depending on
the game that you are making so as well and what kind of community you are aiming at right if you
aim at web2 players obviously they are not that familiar with crypto basically right so that means
that you have to create a really simple flow for them to get used to the blockchain power basically right and the scale
being gasless i mean that is one of the main one of the main reasons why such games should actually
build on the this chain right as long as you make a gamer's life much easier um in ways of like they do not need to send, let's say, some tokens to pay for fees, right?
Gas fees, basically.
And you make their life much easier.
The conversion rate when it comes to Web3 adoption, it's much, much higher too as well.
So what I'm trying to say is it's not project dependent of bringing users onto the web 3 part but it's also
important for the chains and exchanges as well to make life much much easier for new players
basically so as well if it makes sense what i'm saying for sure man i think like all of you guys
give valid reason reason and talking about
hey you know
zero gas fee
fast transaction time
I think this is
the main reason
of why building on scale
brings so much value
for you guys
okay
we have one more speakers
that we have not
spoken to
is it QSTN
is it question
gotta tell
gotta
come on
it's question
hey Puke yo hello everybody hello hello QSTN is a question. Got to tell. Got to come on. It's question.
Hey, puke.
Hello, everybody. Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
So thank you guys for having us on here.
My name is Oren.
I'm the CEO and founder of Question.
We're the Web3 version of Google Form or Survey Monkeys.
So you're able to complete surveys on our platform and earn tokens and NFTs for completing surveys.
We're kind of like a questing platform like Galaxy and Zeely, but you complete surveys and you unlock the tokens.
In terms of Web3 lifestyle, I feel like Web3 kind of is the lifestyle, right? I eat,
breathe, shit it, right? I follow crypto newsletters. I'm subscribed on crypto Twitter.
A lot of my friends are crypto traders, and I genuinely just like the space. I like the
innovation. I like the community behind it.
I went to college and so I like a lot of the community with the accelerators and the different
builders and just seeing what people are doing.
We built on scale because of the gasless nature.
So we pay people, you know, you can earn five cents for a survey, 10 cents for a survey,
a dollar or more.
And blockchains need to be able to handle microtransactions.
And since scale is gasless,
we're able to pay people 5 cents, 10 cents with no gas fee. And that's really important for our
business model. So really excited to be building on scale, to be part of the community, and they've
been supporting us and it's been great. Love to hear it, man. I think like one thing is good is
like when you're building on a blockchain that you love and you receive the support that you needed, you'd be like, all right, you know, the product is great.
Team is great.
This is really the time for us to build out and scale the project even further, right?
So love to know more about the particular games that you guys are building before we go into the general questions.
So questions back to you.
Questions back to you.
Maybe you could share more.
Maybe you could share more.
Like, yeah, I know SurveyMonkey and stuff like that.
But when you are building in Web3, like, how is it different from SurveyMonkey?
What are some of, like, the exciting stuff that you guys are doing, particularly for the Web3 community?
For sure.
So right now with Web3, we have a lot of different users and a lot of them are anonymous with profile pics.
And I think that's the beauty of Web3 is that we can preserve our anonymity right but we still need data we still need to understand these
users their habits their preferences do you prefer scale do you prefer near do you like them both
equally do you like meme coins do you like gaming and so we're able to understand sentiment by
surveying right what does the crypto community feel right twitter is kind of like a sentiment
for crypto right depending on the types of tweets and how often people are tweeting, you kind of know if it's a
bull market, bear market, what's the trending news. And we hope to use data in a similar way.
And so we've kind of gamified surveys. So you come to our platform, you sign up with your email
address. We have a marketplace full of surveys. Different businesses post their surveys on our
website. You click on the survey, you complete it, you connect your wallet and you earn the reward. Yeah. It's kind of just like survey to earn. It's not necessarily a game,
but it's a gamified survey. And again, no gas fees. All right. Got it. And what inspired you
to be like, Hey, you know, this is something that WebTree needs. So I come from an entertainment
background. I'm based in the United States. I went on national television as a cyborg from the future from Dr. Phil. So, I went on Dr. Phil as a cyborg.
No way.
I started my own interview show.
Bro, bro, bro, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're going to send me that episode, bro. I got to watch it.
I got you. I'll DM you after this.
So, I went on Dr. Phil as a cyborg. I became a meme. I didn't just want to be a meme. So I interviewed Neil deGrasse Tyson and we spoke about data and data being a human rights issue.
And Neil deGrasse Tyson says, when you're on Facebook, when you're on Instagram, there should
be a big red button that says it's free, but we're profiting from your data. You know, at this time,
it's 2021, 2022, it's a bull market. And I'm basically just like, how can we use blockchain
to get people paid for their data? And since then I've been working on this idea, incubating it.
We did a pre-seed with Outlier Ventures.
We launched in October, you know, and we're looking for new partnerships with Web3 businesses and new users.
All right.
I'm not too sure.
I'm not from the US, but every time when someone says, oh, shit, did I just mute everybody?
Hold on.
Question, were you speaking?
No, no, no. I'm done. Okay. But what I was
saying is like, dude, when I hear Dr. Phil,
every time it's like the crazy moments
that was cut, and
all of a sudden the person goes famous. Like,
Lost, is that right? Is that what's happening on
Dr. Phil Lost?
I know you watch it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they throw chairs
over there. I'm pretty sure they just cut all the Jerry Springer out.
I think that's like a trademark thing or something.
You got to go to Mauro to see that live.
Because the only thing that comes out is like,
you know, catch me outside.
How about that?
Like that was something that was trending in Asia,
especially.
And all of a sudden people realize,
oh, there's this show called Dr. Phil.
Because before that, we were not watching it, right?
We got so much shit of our own. You know, we have the Mal called Dr. Phil. Because before that, we were not watching it, right? We got so much shit
of our own, you know? We have the Malay drama,
we have the Korean drama, we have the
Chinese drama, and when that
came out, I was like, dude, what is
this? They literally
opened up a whole new world for me, where
you invite people
and you grill them. Like, this
cannot happen in Asia.
Bro, question besides that,
how was the feeling?
You know, I know we are going off topic,
but this is just for personal reasons.
I'm impressed.
I'm finally talking to a participant
that has been on Dr. Phil.
You got to tell me,
how was the experience being on it, man?
Obviously, can't say too much,
but, you know, it was a great experience.
You know, Dr. Phil gave us a platform
to share our mission and to talk about our beliefs about being a cyborg and much appreciated.
All right. Got it. Got it. Exciting stuff.
OK, I want to pass it over to Sandeep.
You know, a couple of questions here, right?
We're talking about building in a bear.
We're talking about, you know, how are you utilizing or even, you know,
working together with blockchains. One question that I need to know is like right now, especially
in this market where, you know, people are looking for the next shiny thing, attention span has been
so limited. How do we keep, you know, the players engaged during this quiet time?
Yeah, so that's a good question like earlier
Pixudy says right okay the real will it does not matter for real builder it's
whether it is a bull market to a bear market so the one thing this answer is
very straightforward like you need to build a better product actually that is that I mean answer is like it might be
like a very simple answer but if you can able to build something better quality
product right automatically that people will stick to your game so that's what
is happening here as I said like our first game has been okay this complete
thing is 6th anniversary in this month this month and so throughout the uh throughout these six years right there are like an
we have irrespective of a bull or bear cycle we have our user base actually
and rather than we prefer in in the bull cycles also right we uh preferred uh i mean a product
is generating a revenue and there are like a loyal user base who are stick
good to your product.
So that's just it's the same thing.
So your product need to be users need to approve your product actually.
So approval in the sense right.
Okay, so there are like in so market accessibility, you need to build a product in such a way that
right, the markets, the market mean like a gamer base
need to accept that we need to get like acceptance from the user so if you can build in that direction definitely just do this thing just figure out like okay market is accepting your product how
accepting your uh product so if you can able to build this accept if you can able to get that
acceptance right it is nothing like anything so that's what we had, like, a similar experience for our first game, which is
like a farming simulation game.
So that's it. It's simple.
My answer is pretty much simple, actually.
Got it. And
the next follow-up question, right? I've been
seeing, you know, players come,
players go. There's
probably two sets of players, right? One
are people playing the game because they feel it's fun.
One are people that is, you know, maybe hunting airdrop
or doing some sort of campaign and stuff like that.
So what kind of players right now are sticking and playing the game
and how do you cater to them?
Yeah, so there are like an...
So, I mean, especially like what the user base, what we have, right?
There is like an, so I mean, especially like what the user base, what we have, right? There is like a fun fact.
There are like a set of users who started playing in 2018.
And they are building their portfolio.
Nearly like 60 people or 65 people, right?
They did their first deposit on 2018.
Every single day they are playing the game without missing any single day.
And the fun fact here is like they
still from the since 2018 they even they did not done a single withdrawal so they feel right okay
even though their portfolio is building or etc etc they feel a fun actually they feel fun in
playing they feel fun in what is like, feeding animals in the game.
So, the one simple logic, right, to build that retention, we just add, like, one simple
logic in the game.
Daily, you need to feed, grow crops and feed the animals.
If you feed, does not feed your animal a single day, right, your animal health will get down.
And once after your animal health bar get down to certain percentage, that animal is
considered as dead and asset is
sent to a burn wallet.
Alright.
Go ahead.
And so regarding
this airdrop hunter, right, since beginning
for the very first year, right, we have increased a lot
of airdrops, but there is not,
I mean, there is no use of like
giving freebies to
airdrop hunters.
So my policy is, right, okay, concentrate on genuine audience
and build some good product.
So if you go in that direction,
there is no need of chasing behind the airdrop hunters too.
Dude, I love it because when you talk about,
hey, you know, all of these games,
being able to lock in daily,
getting them some sort of responsibility
to play the game. I think those are really good ways to keep players engaged. So thank you for that.
Pixely, you had your hand raised, go ahead.
Yeah, if I want to answer the same question. So first, how do we keep people by uh with us during tough times for
blockchain for crypto this pump and dumps and so on first of all by staying focused on what
actually matters building meaningful products offering real utility and creating experience
gamers love regardless of market conditions.
Because people play games despite the market.
They will play the new version of, I don't know, World of Warcraft or other game.
And for them, it won't be important.
Will Bitcoin cost 75k or less?
And one of the biggest mistakes in Web3
is chasing temporary hype through airdrops.
Yes, airdrop hunters can create nodes.
Of course, it's clear, it's obviously,
maybe we need the hype.
But they can boost short-term numbers.
And they rarely, but in the same fact that, but they rarely the ones who stick
around contribute or care about the long-term vision. They are not your community. They
are like traffic, like, I don't know, they attract traffic spy. And it's good, it's good
that we have someone who help us to advertise the game. But the main
mistake about many web free
games that they're becoming
focused about. They try to think
what we can iDrop more and more
token, NFTs, token, NFTs.
But sometimes it
will finish. It will finish.
If you will continue to iDrop forever
and I don't know
try to ask your investors please give more money to iirdrop forever you and I don't know try to ask your investors
please give more money to airdrop it it won't list forever that's why we should
focus on something deeper retaining true users not just values users the user is
the most important creating reasons to stay not just reasons to claim.
It's the most important.
You need to, I don't know, reasons to stay can be, it can be attractive game.
It can be some like interesting events where you need,
I don't know, for example, in many casual game,
you need to log in every day to get some reward
in the end of week
fostering belonging not just farming we always uh i mean i think we also believe that it's time
to erase the line between web 2 and web 3 we must understand that it's gaming, which if we're talking about the gaming, I mean,
that it's about the gaming.
And the next generation of users shouldn't even have to ask,
is this web free game, web two game?
It should just feel seamless, fast and rewarding.
And by the way, that's all especially can be done with scale like own your assets play
the game enjoy the product maybe you don't even know about the blockchain part in this game
web 2 when free it's not important and that's i think when it will be like i have described
so that's when the real one starts to shine thank you all right thank you
for that man lovely lovely take okay ghosts do you have some take on this love to get you guys to
share a little bit about the strategy also like how are you implementing those strategy into your
game of course of course so just so you know, guys,
we are developing a fast-paced FPS games
that is basically aimed towards competitive gameplay, right?
Also, I want to make it clear that we are not releasing
just any kind of FPS game or a clone or something like that, right?
We are basically building something that, at least in our own view,
is something truly special, a first-of-its-kind clan system,
basically, which is designed around competitive players and teams
who thrive in such, let's say, gameplay manners, if I may say, right?
let's say, gameplay manners, if I may say, right?
So this is one of the main driven or unique things about our project
is the competitive glance system.
I don't really want to go that deep with it now,
but I want to highlight one of the most important things, right?
One of the features when it comes to it, and that is this quad things, right? One of the features when it comes to it, that is this quad creation, right?
So in traditional FPS or any kind of FPS game, basically, when you see clans, you can form
a clan or something like that, but you have something basic next to your name.
You only have a clan tag, right?
You don't have a specific, let's say, system build around clans unless it's an rpg
game like albion maybe wow right uh those are not plans but those are guilds but uh in our game for
example as a clan you can form multiple squads of let's say five players each right and these
squads can be organized by the clan leader or officers to enter clan-ranked games.
So let's say you have 25 members online.
That's five separate squads competing at the same time, all earning points and pushing your clan up the leaderboard, basically.
And the awesome part is that we are also going to host some LAN events in Paris because we have some friends there.
host some LAN events in Paris because we have some friends there.
And it's awesome because, for example, only the top 20 clans
globally get an invite to these LAN events.
And the funny thing is also because only one squad per clan
can compete, which basically means internal competitions
as well.
We are doing this because we want every player to give their A game
or A matches in every game, right?
We do not want them to feel like leeches, basically.
It's also a system that's basically designed to feel everything
like real e-sports or organizations too as well.
But basically every match counts and every player has a shot to rise up to as well.
Another thing that I would like to talk about is regarding the web tree part, right?
So basically there are so many speculators on the web tree side and let's say airdrop hunters too as well
that they just hunt cloud basically
and basically trying to make some kind of income
and then move on to something else.
It's impossible to basically sustain your game
depending on the game that you are making, right? To sustain your game depending on the game that you are making right to sustain
your game economically basically on this unless you actually start dumping coins on your uh
community which is a bad move right we need to find a way to sustain the game basically through
monetization which is obviously in the game.
And you can do that by having real gamers, right?
Gamers that believe in your game, they have fun too as well.
They invite friends, they engage in the clan system too as well
when it comes to our game as well, right?
We aim for Web2 gamers.
Yes, we aim for Web3 speculators at the same time, but our main
driven, let's say, component is on the Web2 side. We need real gamers so we can have the project
sustained, right? We have a monetization that is basically aimed towards web2 players so just like
Pixudy said too as well they won't even notice that they are using blockchain
like they don't care right all they want to do is play games they want to have fun
that that is the main important thing and we also want to include the community in the early stages of development
too as well so they can test out the game offer uh productive feedback basically so we can see
if the game sucks right if if it sucks then we need to find out why and we need to change change
it right maybe for me the game is really fun for the end user, maybe the experience is not the same, right?
So, yeah, this is my view.
This is what we are building now, basically.
We are trying to build, most importantly, a fun, fun game, right?
It doesn't matter if it's web 3 web 2 right the main important thing is for
the game to be fun gamers are there to play games they don't care about the economics and all of
the stuff or hide your game basically behind paywalls subscriptions n, NFTs, and all of these bullshit, right?
They want to have fun.
They don't want to waste time, basically, if it makes sense.
Got it, got it.
Thank you so much for that.
I think we cover pretty much a lot of things, right?
We're talking about how do you navigate through building in the bear.
We talk about, hey, how do we retain users in terms of,
like what we said, you know,
don't make it clear that, hey,
it's a Web2, Web3 game.
You know, having some sort of mechanism
that always invites players to come back
to play the game.
I think the next thing that, you know,
Web3 users care about, especially gamers,
is about monetization and sustainability, right?
So one question back to question, care about especially gamers it's about monetization and sustainability right so
one question back to question is that how are you rethinking you know tokenomics or even player
incentive right now in this market good question so we basically partner with other protocols to
create these survey campaigns and to put up a budget so for example we're currently going to
work with somnia blockchain they're giving us some tokens we're going to put up a budget. So for example, we're currently going to work with Somnia blockchain. They're giving us some tokens. We're going to put those tokens into a survey and
incentivize our community. So there's a couple of different ways you can earn. You can earn
cryptocurrency through our surveys. You can earn Stripe through our surveys, which is USD, right?
Or convert that to your local currency. And then we also have a virtual credit. And this virtual
credit, we're going to be introducing a marketplace.
So you complete surveys, you're in cash,
you're in crypto and our virtual credit
and you'll soon be able to spend this virtual credit
in our marketplace.
And we're going to work with chain rewards
to give you discounts on flights,
discounts on hotels,
and you can redeem these points for that.
Hope that makes sense.
Yeah, I think that is great.
Talking about working with different ecosystems.
So is it more towards like a multi-chain approach? And also when you work with different projects or onboarding different communities, maybe you could share a little bit about some campaigns that you're running our scale campaign. So all of the main question surveys right now are being issued
on scale, but we're working with different projects. We have an upcoming campaign with
public AI. They help to feed data into these AI models and these agents. And so we're going to be
working with them to collect feedback on their products and services. We've done surveys with
meme coin projects, seeing which meme coins you like at the moment. Are you aware of this meme
coin project? Gaming projects? Are you aware of their game? What type of games do you like? I personally am
creating these surveys for these projects. So that's the reason why I can kind of remember all
of these details. But yeah, we're kind of willing to work with anybody, right? You don't need to
even be a Web3 company. If you have an audience, you want to learn from them, you want to reward
them. You could be a college student doing a survey. You could be, you know, just wanting to survey your friends and get some
feedback on your new song. Right. But yeah, I hope that makes sense. Yeah. I'm, I'm pretty
interested to find out like, you know, when Web3 gaming or gaming projects, you know, utilize
survey, what is some sort of like the main questions that they want to find out through through the
survey what types of games are you playing what games are you aware of what types of incentives
would you want for completing this game um what what what platforms do you play on do you play
on steam do you play on console right are you handheld are you switch um really just understanding
who are these gamers right what console are they
playing on what time of day are they coming from what country do you do you come from what language
do you speak what blockchains do you interact on right you might like our game but you might love
another blockchain so trying to just get any and all insight into these gamers so that they can
better offer their products and services which would be be the game. All right. Thank you so much for that.
I want to pass it back to Sandeep.
How about you?
When talking about, hey,
user's incentive, tokenomics,
maybe could share a little bit more
about the game
and how players are revoiled right now.
So more than a tokenomics, right?
I can talk about how to control regarding this,
I mean, in-game assets, like how they function actually.
So the main way we deal with, right?
So each and every asset, right?
It should not be collectible.
Each and every asset inside of the game, right?
It should have some utility action.
And that utility need to based
on like how many players are coming daily and how much time they are spending on the game and
what kind of actions they perform inside of the game right based on these things you should be
having like a inflation protocols and a deflation protocol so if when something is too inflating too much right you should be cutting down the rewards
or you should be uh some inflation protocol should be happening actually it should uh should
be triggering and the same time right if there is like an uh not too many of assets or not too many
of games play coming and play users are not playing too many of the games right at that time we should be deflation protocol should come into
the picture and they should be getting there what should be much higher so this
is a kind of a protocols right right now we have like three games in total so for
all the three games that we are following this fundamental actually and
this this protocol is nothing new or invented it is typically
like a Bitcoin mining protocol so the same thing right we have modified a bit
and we have adopted to use it for the games actually which is running well for
us all right thank you so much for that and what's what's next for you guys so
the big thing as I I said, right, the
battle game is about to launch on a scale.
So far, we
are in...
So far, our games are based on simulation.
So, right now, our battle game is
about to launch on a scale.
So, we are tapping some
different genre of an audience
now. So, we are more excited for
the release, actually.
Alright. Is there any date yet? you know the people who are yes yeah yeah
excited yeah yes yes it is less than a week hoping so everything is clean as I
said right we had like I got like some couple of feedback from the scale we and
so we are up for experimenting and changing and taking that
scale feedback and reiterating some of the products, some of the few things. So everything
is sorted and so most probably within less than a week, we can see the announcement.
Okay, excited for it. Dude, how excited for you for this next announcement man? Because
market sentiment is bad. How are you guys
pushing it?
Yeah, I mean,
we're not bothered
too much about
the market sentiment.
Is that right?
We keep on building.
So, we are very much
excited because, right,
it's a new genre
and we are,
we know, like,
say, among current
scale is having, like,
a massive gamer user base.
So, we are pretty much excited to having like a massive gamer user base.
So we are pretty much excited to bring our game to the Scale users.
And regarding the market sentiment, right, we are not bothered much actually.
We are bothered only about building a right product.
So that's what our first game also does, right?
People does not care whether it is a bull market and bear market.
Simply they are playing and enjoying the game so similarly right we should be we based on that
experience that we have crafted this game so not typically too much bothered about a bear market
it's a current market sentiment all right got it uh pick sudi over to you i want to add that
real gamers to be honest are not looking to the market because who is looking to the market?
Traders.
I mean, for example, traders.
And right now with all these liquidations and so on, traders don't have a time for playing.
That's why I think that real gamers right now are not not really in the in this old party stuff uh another question that
that many players are really worried about right now it's the price of nintendo switch the second
because right now it should be about 80 80 dollars and they are worried because previously, oh sorry, not for the Nintendo Switch console,
but for their game, because previously it was 60 USD and right now it will be 80 USD.
And that's really what matters to real gamers, not just Bitcoin price and so on.
This 20 USD is the most important thing in the in the nintendo gaming
community right now all right appreciate it and since we are on the topic with you what's some
of the next you know excitement stuff that's exciting stuff that's happening for you guys
we are going to launch a lot of different stuff so first of all we are going to launch a lot of different stuff.
So first of all, we are going to launch several campaigns on scale,
especially for Pix2D users.
It will be leaderboard contest.
It will be quest contest.
The next thing, we will publish our game on Steam Market and Epic Games Market.
Yeah, finally, Pixudi comes to traditional consoles.
The next thing, we are going to launch Nintendo Switch version finally.
It takes a little bit more time than we have expected,
but there's something that we are going to do as soon as possible,
because it's the main priority to make our games for consoles.
The third and the most important thing also will be launching of XUDE Multiverse.
multiverse. Long story short, it means that previously gamers and users in our game play
the board that we have created. Our wonderful illustrator team, our wonderful developers,
but in the Big Studio Multiverse, just imagine you will be able to create your own tilesets.
It's just like, for example, if somebody, you know, Mario Party,
you know that in Mario Party, there are several boards to play.
Just imagine that right now using our special AI engine and using your own tilesets,
you will be able to create your own unique board from uh from your dream like you can create the
board in the style of puka cast you can create the board with the style of scale and so on and so on
so these three main uh initiatives uh again launching special contest on scale again
Again, launching special contest on scale.
Again, because we have done it already, and it was successful.
The second thing, launching on traditional game markets, I mean, game shops like Steam and consoles like Xbox, and maybe a little bit later, Nintendo.
And the next big thing, evolution.
Evolution for Pixudi.
And the funny thing
about this, that if we
will have bearish market,
maybe, finally,
it will be very funny because
Pixudi has been launched during
and was created during
the bearish market.
And it didn't stop us.
It didn't stop us from success.
As you can see now, as you can check now,
Twitter, Depradar, and so on and so on.
That was nothing for our success.
That's why maybe it will be a good sign
to launch Pixudim Ultraverse on bearish market.
But without joking, for for us it's not important
we will launch it and you will have some fun in this game that's the main priority
thank you right thank you so much for that i want to pass it over to question uh what's next
you know some key milestones or even in q, what would be the main focus for you guys?
I think for us, it's growing the community and more partnerships, right? We have this marketplace
where hopefully Web3 businesses can say, hey, I need some feedback. Let's go to questions
marketplace and get some feedback through a survey. So growing the number of users,
growing the number of businesses, which gets us more users. We want to build a credibility score.
the number of businesses, which gets us more users. We want to build the credibility score.
So when we get back these user responses, AI can kind of give a score on how much a person tried
and how long they took on it to just better help us filter through the data and decide who's worthy
of a reward. And just growing the platform, finding new inroads to Web2, right? I think Web3 is great,
but we also need to help the non-crypto users get into this space so finding different companies whether it's universities market research firms you know or even polling
and sentiment platforms to help them collect data as well all right thank you so much that last but
not least goes merc how about you guys oh so the first thing obviously would be to start growing our community as well.
We've already started the process of listing the game on Steam as well.
We passed the first, let's say, inspection,
and we should have the store live probably next week or something like that.
The next things that we are looking at right now
is once we launch our pre-alpha is obviously
to gather feedback, right?
So we can improve our game.
We recently finally made a game to work in multiplayer, right?
Also integrated PlayFab into our game and also scale.
And we are looking to basically grow the community,
gather feedback so we can improve the game
and release a fun game, basically.
That is what we are doing now.
All right, guys.
Right on the dot.
So thank you so much for sharing with us.
Hope you guys enjoyed this
segment first off shout out to gosmer pixudy quest and sandeep thank you so much for joining
and to the audience down there if you are tuning in and you'd be like shit i do love everything
that these guys have been talking about what is scale blockchain what is web3 gaming go check out
scale go check out all of the speakers,
what they are building,
go test out the game
because like you said,
whether it's boo,
whether it's bear,
these people are still head down,
building,
hustling and playing
and creating a good game
for you guys.
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