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💻🎶 Majik Karpets belong in the Metaverse! 🧞♂️🎧 🚀 so many virtual worlds!
Recorded: Sept. 7, 2023 Duration: 1:48:51Space Recording
Full Transcription
Mitch, you are number one in the queue.
I mean, in the audience.
Great to have you here.
And well, this is what we do for...
All right, we've got another listener.
Welcome to Magic Carpets Belong in the Metaverse.
There are so many virtual worlds that essentially this conversation is all about putting NFTs into the space of a virtual space and letting them take a new form.
You know, find new value in an NFT based on a theme or something to that extent.
And, you know, to celebrate the fact that, well, we're on X and, well, you heard it on the X.
And this is how we start a space.
At least I do.
Here we go.
One of my favorite tunes in the old world.
No, not really old world, but a classic world.
Have a listen.
Do you remember?
We'll be right back.
Yep, you heard it on the X guys and welcome to a space that's dedicated to bringing NFTs new life or breathing new life or a expanded value to collectors and essentially making it that much more interesting, that much more fun.
And basically, that place is virtual worlds.
And essentially, instead of it just being a flat screen with a picture or video and click on the picture in a metaverse to link to the minting site, there's a lot more that you can do.
And so here's the opportunity.
And if anyone would like to come up and be part of this conversation, please request.
And I can start a little bit more with the concept.
And the real intent for this conversation is to open up what kind of things you can do with NFTs.
It's like, as I was mentioning, a theme that essentially takes the artwork potentially and primarily turning it into a 3D object or adventure or some sort of means to...
All right, we've got Garnet requesting up.
Here we go.
Welcome, Garnet.
Hey, good to be here.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, keep going.
I saw your ad for this.
I'm very interested in exploring this space with our own community and some avatars we've created around our theme.
Oh, right on.
Yeah.
And that's very cool.
I'm involved with a couple avatar projects myself.
So we'll get to that in a second.
You know, just finishing the thought, you know, really taking that, the artwork, the, you know, if it originally was a 3D object that essentially was, you know, so to speak, videoed to become a 2D
presentation in an NFT instead of letting it, you know, languish in a 2D, bring it, if it was a blender or, you know, some other, you know, actively moving.
And, you know, other opportunities were to actually bring that 3D object and be able to, you know, let people manipulate it in world as, you know, whatever seems to fit that particular NFT.
And so, let's see.
Do we have anybody else coming up?
I was just going forward.
So, yeah, Garnet, you bring up, you know, avatars and that is a real great thing to, you know, have, you know, you can either obviously have, you know, your audience collectors come in with their own avatars,
but you could also offer avatars that you can try on or even put for sale in that metaverse.
And so, what experience do you have with avatars, creation, I guess, celebration?
Yeah, well, I think the beginning of my journey sort of into some of these different platforms, virtual reality platforms was in an old platform doesn't exist anymore.
It was called Altspace that Microsoft had developed.
And are you familiar with that?
Yeah.
Yep.
You're an old spacer.
Old school.
Yeah.
Even a second life.
Yeah.
So, you know, I'm in film production and we had bought a HTC Vive headset primarily for tracking kind of our cameras when we're sort of filming either in front of a green screen or LED wall.
And when we were using that system just for tracking cameras and we had the headset and I was like, I, what's, what's this about?
And found myself in Altspace and the avatars in that world are somewhat limited, you know, in terms of, you know,
they're all pretty much standard and there's no legs or even arms.
You just have hands.
But the one thing that I found, you know, like it was a really good community in that particular platform.
The one thing that did really well was the way that your avatars looked at each other, the eye contact, and it really did create the feeling that you were having a, you know,
an intimate conversation with someone within that virtual space.
I don't know, what's, what's your feedback on that, on your Altspace experience?
Yeah, that's pretty accurate.
And, you know, it was kind of an interesting thing that they created natural blinking, movement of the head, movement of the body, kind of swing.
So there was always some sort of, you know, activity movement to, you know, at least not just be static, right?
And so, you know, the, the movement of, of the mouth to, you know, show talking, you know, there was a lot to it that definitely worked.
I did not ever do full VR.
I always, always went in with just browser.
Okay.
So I didn't, I didn't really have the full experience, but for what I did, I got the, got the feel.
And so with that, you know, joining the Web3 world, I pretty much immediately was immersed in voxels.
Okay.
I'm not familiar with that, that, uh, yeah.
So voxels is an interesting, uh, metaverse platform, uh, that is, uh, very much, um, block form.
Uh, I won't, uh, directly associate it with Minecraft, but it has, uh, a very, uh, block structure.
Okay.
Now it's coming back to me.
Yeah.
The, the, the Minecraft kind of Lego vibe.
Yeah, totally.
And, uh, but with people that were experienced builders, they could import, um, really phenomenal
graphics, um, and, uh, you know, so, uh, digital assets.
And, uh, of course, uh, the big thing was wearables, uh, just a real, uh, great vibe for community
building there.
And, you know, they had emotes and dancing and, you know, um, uh, come on, why am I?
And womps, uh, which are, you know, taking pictures of the scene and, you know, just, you know, it really, uh, was a great experience.
And, of course, uh, you know, being involved with communities that, uh, had a lot of, uh, great artists' builds.
Uh, we could just hop from one place to another.
And so it was just a, uh, uh, total vibe to have, um, you know, journeys, uh, you know, call it round of the, round the world, um, parties, so to speak.
And different types of entertainment along the way and, you know, freebies here and, you know, show there.
And, you know, uh, with that, uh, I actually, uh, was able to, uh, uh, install a, uh, a metaverse music performance platform or parcel.
And with that, I built a little nightclub called NFT Music Hall.
And that became, uh, you know, a real, uh, great gathering spot to support artists in these showcases that we did.
And, um, what's cool is, um, uh, uh, Hexodize is here.
Um, you know, he was one of the performers in there.
Uh, and invariably, uh, we had, uh, streams of, uh, Mitch and Jose, uh,
outside of those actually, well, here's able.
And so we just had a lot of, uh, you know, great experiences in voxels.
And since then I've picked up, uh, properties, uh, in HyperFi, uh, worlds beyond Isles of Meta
and, uh, dabbled with building and spatial, uh, and most recently spending a good amount of time in,
on cyber and, uh, uh, through, uh, the OGs and, you know, this big community that have been part of, uh,
TokenSmart, uh, one of our true OGs, uh, Rizzle has been deeply involved with Moniverse.
And, you know, just, you know, talk about going into, uh, the deep of, you know, really
sophisticated, uh, you know, um, metaverse builds.
And so very fortunate to be in that, uh, uh, that circle.
And so with that, the, uh, I'm kind of interested in your, yeah, go ahead.
Um, in your comparison of spatial and HyperFi, because HyperFi is a new platform I've just
been looking at.
I'm quite interested in it.
Yeah.
I actually didn't do any real deep building in spatial.
So, um, all I know is that, uh, there, you know, it did have pretty powerful, you know,
pardon my train, but, um, very powerful, you know, building tools.
However, uh, they just had significant performance issues and, you know, with the, the intent of
having, you know, really special performances and, you know, invariably having a lot of
making it drop out, uh, right.
Yeah.
That's what I, that's what I found with the sound.
Yeah.
And so HyperFi has come in with an extremely, of course, also browser based, but extremely,
um, you know, stable, high performance, uh, you know, uh, interface.
And so with that, it has, uh, very good, uh, world building tools.
I don't know if it's as sophisticated, but, um, you know, my, a new circle that I'm part
of, uh, are just going, you know, go deep and HyperFi.
And with that, um, you know, the intent is to definitely, uh, bring in, you know, uh, some
assets, you know, GLB files that, you know, there you can bring in buildings and, you know,
a whole host of 3D objects to build out your, um, your look and feel.
And with that, um, there's programmability for, uh, movement of items in that space.
And what you can do with that is, um, from what I've heard, not a hundred percent, but
very close to, uh, what you can accomplish with Unreal as a, you know, base level, you
know, and obviously if you really want to go, you know, full, uh, uh, lifelike, uh, really
just, uh, phenomenal, uh, you know, look and feel, uh, Unreal, and of course Unity, those
are the top two, uh, world building tools that, uh, you know, the challenge there of
course is, uh, in, in, I believe in both cases, you need to have a client.
So you have to install, uh, some sort of client on your, you know, workstation and typically
they're, uh, PC based.
And so, uh, at this point, the, you know, low hanging fruit, so to speak, uh, with the
most options, powerful, um, world building, I would put, uh, HyperFi first.
And on cyber is, is really, uh, following closely what, um, HyperFi is doing.
And so HyperFi is a four fee, uh, property, um, that you acquire and on cyber, uh, you can
build a number, uh, you know, at no cost.
And so, you know, with that, you know, what do you want to accomplish?
The more complex, um, definitely it's worth, you know, spending the 0.09 ETH for a HyperFi
if they're still, uh, actually mintable.
I haven't checked lately if, uh, they've minted out yet, but, um, so at this point, um, let me
just open it up again.
And, and of course, reset the room.
We've had a bunch of people come in and out, but, uh, the conversation is, you know, how
to bring value to NFTs and bring them to metaverse.
Uh, and of course, I, I mentioned my NFT magic carpet, uh, one that I'm minting and am
currently, uh, uh, working on a property and, uh, with that, uh, seeking to find, uh, and
you can imagine what the name of it is, um, and make it not only a fun experience, but
also, uh, a means to, uh, a means to explore future work.
And so the magic carpet has a, uh, pretty detailed liner note description story that kind
of, uh, uh, you know, leads you to, uh, what's coming in the future.
And so, um, uh, it would actually be kind of fun to, uh, read that out to you.
Um, if y'all got a second.
Yeah, go for it.
I'm curious as to what the project's about.
So let me actually kind of hop into my, well, that's a video that's playing on board and,
uh, Abel might, uh, recognize that something that we're remastering, but, um, magic carpet
is this little tune right here.
Do you hear this?
Yep, we got that.
It's coming through.
I'm going to mute it now.
And so here's the description or liner note.
Magic carpet.
Sneaking out after dark.
Uh, it's one of those nights I'm a little more restless than most.
So much has been on my mind wanting to do so much and be in so many places, but I just
got that feeling, that feeling to just sneak out and without anyone knowing going for a
joy ride under a starry night sky.
Truth is I've been on the, on edge for too long, like a corner dog.
Uh, that's a name of a song.
Uh, and I'll, I'll just kind of inflect a little bit to, uh, to, you know, you know, uh, signify
that it's, uh, the name of the song.
So, uh, like a corner dog, uh, I know it take more than just letting go, uh, of my fears.
I see it more like stepping into the ether and just letting universal, no, metaversal forces
guide my way.
My friends constantly said to just do what you do and not make, uh, life so complicated.
My life, uh, is really not one big composite art piece or is it?
But like I said, tonight feels different, even it, um, even if we're in quieter times, I know
this is only the first stage I've dreamt of going out on tour, calling home from the road
and all that.
But the truth is my wife knows I'll be back in no time at all.
Uh, I've been setting the scene for years and I can definitely withstand the elements.
I can really let go of needing to know how the story ends.
It'll all be sussed out in good times.
Yeah, it's time to put the top down and set the cruise control to max glide.
So let's go for a magic carpet ride.
Right on.
And so that was, uh, sounds like a journey.
Yeah.
And, uh, of course, after all, it only contains some and, uh, some are a ways out.
So, but I'm excited to, you know, kind of make that mark of not only obviously in the
liner note as a, as part of the journey, but, you know, at this point it can be, you
know, uh, explained or, you know, actually graphically, um, exhibited or, uh, what's the
best word for basically, uh, to show what the, uh, the path is.
And, you know, you can have breadcrumbs, whatever that looks like.
And of course, I'm really excited to have some, some animated experience that, uh, you
know, uh, could have Easter eggs where you can, uh, step off, uh, at like a landing zone.
And, you know, if you hold, uh, the NFT, you have access to certain things and, you know,
overall it's, you know, wide open to what you can do.
And so obviously, uh, when you, uh, you show up, uh, it would be cool to have, uh, a avatar
that, uh, looks like the, the suit.
So if you look at my, uh, PFP, that's, uh, the, uh, the person on the magic carpet.
And so, you know, maybe there's an opportunity to create an avatar around that.
Yep.
Definitely.
So what, what, uh, what is the experience of the person who buys your token?
Is it sort of like, this is going to be future adventures on a specific meta worlds like
spatial or hyper fi where they, your token holders have access to some kind of special
quest or something like that.
That's right.
Uh, it's a combination of things where, uh, it, and I, I need to actually write, I guess
you can call it a white paper that kind of explains what the, the access, uh, to, uh, future mints,
uh, will be by holding the magic carpet.
That, you know, the main thing that you can unpack is access to, uh, my discord server.
And with that, uh, doing a, a collab land, um, verification, uh, you get a specific channel
that is for magic carpet holders.
And so, uh, just having alpha, uh, being able to share, uh, what's happening in the studio,
what's happening, uh, you know, in the metaverse, get, uh, you know, uh, things that I would
probably not share, uh, in public spaces, uh, but it's, you know, clearly it's wide open.
And, uh, you know, one example is that I'm working on, uh, releasing a, uh, an album that
I recorded some time ago and it's, you know, eight, you know, purely solo acoustic pieces
of music that really inform, uh, where I came from as far as my, uh, guitar playing style.
And so, uh, it's, it's something that I'd like to reward, uh, holders with as well as release
as an album slash individual songs.
And so, uh, there's, uh, a whole lot of opportunity options to do, you know, mixed minting, mixed
rewards.
And, uh, if, you know, I could either create the, you know, the individual, uh, NFT, uh, virtual
space or, uh, as, uh, one of my, my mates has recommended that I create one that's just
Philen's music, which is my primary identity.
And then have, uh, you know, rabbit holes where you can go into the respective, uh, uh, NFTs.
And so, uh, a couple of different options, obviously, if you're trying to do everything
in HyperFi, it gets a little expensive, but you know, uh, it's just a cool thing.
Yeah.
I guess once you have a world in HyperFi though, you can give access, you can have your meetings
there and people can build in there if you give them access with their wallet addresses.
Yeah.
And so you could, uh, token gate the entire, uh, you know, uh, virtual space, uh, just on
entry, uh, or, you know, you know, in one case or in this case, I've actually forced my,
uh, on cyber to not allow, uh, any anonymous.
So you have to, uh, you know, connect a, you know, some sort of wallet.
And with that, uh, once you're in there, you could do all sorts of, uh, you know, space,
you know, create a building, uh, have that token gated or some portal and, uh,
you could even have like, uh, uh, you know, like an adventure park where you can, you know,
for people that don't hold, uh, the full NFT, you can just buy a ride token.
Yeah.
And so, uh, I have this other project, which is a really amazing, uh, 3d adventure.
And it's, you know, the intention was to just have a, uh, like I explained before a 2d music
video, but you know, the opportunities to take and not waste that.
And, you know, you can do three different things with it, which I'll reserve to, uh, to
other conversations.
But, uh, you know, uh, is anybody else interested in coming up?
I've been kind of rattling on that and then not looking at my, uh, my screen here, but
yeah, I'd love to hear too.
Um, and anyone like in, uh, in, uh, list listening as well, just, you know, what are some practical
uses of, um, using, um, one of these 3d platforms to host events?
Um, to give community members a unique, um, experience that they can't stay good on a zoom
call or a Twitter space or, you know, what, you know, watching a YouTube video.
Um, it'd be good to hear examples of experiences, what your community members can do.
And also like what specific platforms you can create those experiences on.
Um, I know one, one thing we did in spatial, um, was during the Oscar award ceremonies, our
project were about media production.
So we're about movies and stuff.
So the Oscar night celebration, we had a party, um, in spatial where we were broadcasting the
show inside of a room.
Um, there was giveaways kind of, uh, contests for just being in attendance, kind of different
raffles and stuff like that, that, uh, that we were doing around that.
And the one, I mean, we did have, um, a bit, the nice thing about spatial was you can access
it on desktop.
You can be on a, on a VR headset, or you can even be on mobile, which is the same with HyperFi
as well.
Um, but, uh, we did have issues with the sound in spatial where just, uh, um, just rebroadcasting
the video feed within the room was, it created issues.
Right.
And, you know, it was one thing when you go in a room with a bunch of people, you know,
you at least want to be able to hear the show properly and you want to be able to talk to
each other and be able to, to mod the room.
If people are there causing problems, you want to be able to kick them for the most part.
The evening was successful with the minor, uh, technical difficulties, but I would love
to hear like some of the ideas that, you know, you're having the experiences, like, what
are those, like, I'm all ears.
What can, what, what kind of cool things can we do on these platforms that we can't do?
Like say on a Twitter space or, you know, even just a YouTube.
Funny that you, you just, uh, listed, you know, you know, 75%, at least of all the things
that you can do in a metaverse.
Right.
And so, uh, it's, that sounds really cool.
You did, uh, for the Oscars night.
Um, and do you still have the, the property, uh, set up as it was?
Yeah.
Yeah.
We still had the world world.
Right.
Um, yep.
One, uh, one team, I guess you can call, um, dope Stilo along with, uh, meta Malone and,
am I going to forget the other guy?
Uh, it's terrible.
Um, but, uh, three, uh, rap, you know, uh, R and B, you know, hip hop, uh, performers are,
uh, doing a regular show, uh, in spatial and, uh, they've got customized, um, you know,
really cool looking, uh, avatars and they're essentially able to, uh, represent themselves
in, um, I wouldn't say full motion capture.
So, uh, the realism is like, uh, two, three X beyond, um, uh, um, alt verse, um, God, why
am I blanking on it?
But, uh, the, uh, alt space, alt space there.
Yeah.
And so anyway, the, they have a number of, uh, rewards there, you know, it's largely,
you know, links and airdrops.
Um, so, uh, I don't know if they're doing wearables, so I don't know enough about them.
Uh, I've been intending to go into it, but I've never had enough time during their slot.
So, but, you know, for me, um, I just know, uh, that a number of these metaverse, uh, or
virtual platforms, as we should call them, uh, they, they really have that, uh, you know,
the ability, uh, to, you know, provide access and, you know, uh, you know, in some case,
some realism of experiences and, you know, to be honest, the, the conversation is wide
open to inspire each other here and it's as much for me to learn as for, for you.
And so, um, yeah, I'm really excited to, uh, take my concept and, you know, essentially
have the, the potential of exceeding my own dreams of it because it's, it's definitely,
uh, you know, just cracking, uh, cracking it open.
That's, uh, half the, half the fun of it.
So yeah.
Um, at this, let me reset the room really quick.
Uh, for those who joined, um, though this, uh, this room's, uh, called magic carpets belong
in the metaverse.
It's really, uh, a conversation about, uh, bringing NFTs to life in metaverse, uh, platforms,
how you can make, uh, you know, virtual worlds become, uh, that next level engagement with
NFTs, uh, where there's lore, there's, you know, perhaps some liner notes that have some
significance and you're able to, uh, build experiences that reflect those ideas.
You know, if, if you had like the killer, um, you know, studio, uh, uh, you know, interaction
with producers and whatnot, uh, you could actually put up screens, videos of that in various places.
You could, uh, essentially, uh, you know, show the equipment that was used, uh, come up
with, you know, uh, 3D representations of things, uh, that were part of the experience.
Uh, and, uh, and of course, uh, you know, one of the things I'm looking forward to doing
is putting, you know, a, a scale stage and allowing for in hopefully, you know, within
the next year, be able to do some motion capture, uh, performances straight onto those stages.
And so essentially you're able to have your, your audience in their avatars, watch you in
your avatar, um, that is being essentially, uh, it's mimicking your, your, your action on
a stage elsewhere.
Right.
And so, yeah, that, that side of it, um, I am very kind of interested in creating some
unique type of performance, you know, virtual performances within these worlds.
And, um, a typical way that, you know, say within spatial, a lot of times, you know, artists
will put up a video screen inside a 3D world and you'll see them performing on the screen
and, um, you know, the crowd is watching the video and dancing to it or whatever.
But I really liked the idea of, yeah, being able to motion, uh, capture a performance of
a live group and then being able to be in the room and, you know, be on the stage, so to
speak with the performance that's, that's going on.
Um, and that, that's a little bit tricky.
Um, you know, one of the coolest, maybe most successful kind of concerts that have been
done in, on, you know, these virtual platforms has been in, uh, Roblox.
And, um, I, I know of Roblox more just because my two kids play those games like hours every
day.
And, um, it's kind of mainly for, you know, gamers, but the size of the community of Roblox,
like Roblox has probably 2 million developers, not just community members.
So it gives you an idea of the scope and size of the community.
So for these, you know, hip hop artists who've done concerts in Roblox, those have been attended
by millions.
And, you know, that's the kind of, it's like, well, when you think of, wow, I would like,
you know, there, we have some independent, you know, music artists.
We would love to, you know, put on a virtual concert like that.
Um, and I thought it was cool what they did in some of those concerts where the performer
was kind of like a giant avatar, you know, he was huge.
And the fans were actually sort of crawling, you know, on his feet or would jump up on his
hands as he's performing.
Right.
And, you know, and I thought, oh, like, that's a unique way that a fan can experience an artist
sort of by, you know, they're this, you know, obviously when you got, you know, millions of
people experiencing this, uh, concert at one time, it's about your viewpoint and your access.
How are you experiencing this performance?
And so often we, we try to mimic, you know, the real life, you know, when we go see Taylor
Swift at a stadium, you're like sitting a mile back from the stage.
Right.
Whereas in VR or, or, you know, these virtual worlds, you don't have to be a mile away from
the stage.
You know, you could be sitting on the performer's shoulders because you, you know, it's an unreal,
it can be as creative as you want.
You could be sitting on his guitar as he's playing it, you know.
Um, but those, those type of, uh, and those were slightly motion captured performances that
I guess were pre-recorded, uh, I guess a combination of some pre-recorded mocap mixed with some live
sort of voiceover stuff because he's, you know, the artists were actually responding and reacting
to the crowd as, uh, they're, they were, you know, having this live performance.
But I think that was an example of something cool that I've never seen done before, um, that
was just really interesting.
Absolutely.
I mean, um, even, you know, when you said Roblox, of course, uh, Fortnite is the next one.
In fact, Fortnite has, uh, uh, uh, released, uh, hosted creator, uh, instances, Unreal Engine
based instances that you can build out and, you know, essentially have, uh, players enter
and experience your build there.
Uh, whether or not they, um, are allowing for token, um, uh, awareness, so to speak, um,
is another story, but, uh, there's so many things available now beyond and, you know, in
a way, uh, we should recognize that this conversation is in parallel with, or even, uh, in the tailwind
of so many builds that are already, uh, what we're thinking of.
Uh, and so in a way, uh, as I, you know, explore this, this is, um, the opportunity to learn
from existing ones and explore, of course, our own journey, uh, to build in our own.
And, and, you know, so I, I think what the opportunity is, uh, perhaps in the next conversation,
uh, is to, to bring in guests that have actually built some very complex, uh, installations that
there are some that I've been on tour with, you know, like I mentioned in spatial and Monaverse,
especially that have had a variety of different, uh, you know, interactive, uh, features.
So, um, yeah, anyone else, uh, would, that would like to join us in conversation, please
do, uh, request, uh, again, uh, I might not have, uh, uh, seen your request, you know, Hex
Mitch, uh, MoFo, yeah, MoFo Goats, hey, how's it going?
Um, and yeah, oh, cool, um, Media and Entertainment Tao, uh, I'm going to follow you and learn more.
Oh, that's cool.
And, uh, Kishi Sol, El Sol Labo, uh, BV, um, okay.
I'd have to, uh, see exactly what country that is.
Um, but, uh, yeah, Legote, welcome again.
Great to have you again.
Um, last night's conversation, I actually, uh, was talking about, and this is something
I'm going to do on a weekly basis, 8 p.m. Pacific, uh, 11 p.m. East Coast, uh, talking
about streaming into metaverse, uh, properties.
And that kind of goes back to your, um, your mention of, uh, you know, most performances
that you've seen in virtual spaces is something projected on a flat screen.
And, you know, in a way, uh, this is the precursor and it's the exercise of having, uh, your sound
and audio flat to be able to do the performances, uh, at high quality.
And, you know, whether it be through Twitch or direct, you know, through OBS, uh, understanding
the, the options of how to present with a, you know, backdrop and, uh, you know, bringing,
you know, mixed media to the, uh, you know, to the event.
In fact, I'm going to be doing one myself in the Rockin' Unicorns, and I haven't mentioned
this yet, uh, Decentraland, um, I'll be doing it in the Decentraland True Band Room.
Uh, and with that, I'm, I'm working on my setup, uh, as I have for this last week and continue
to, to get it all dialed in.
And so, yeah, um, so have you, are you a performer yourself, Garnett?
Uh, no, I'm actually, uh, the sound technician.
Um, so typically I'm, I'm mixing the sound or, or producing and, uh, yeah, and, and media
producer.
So, um, one of my, um, kind of areas of interest is filming, um, within, uh, these meta worlds.
Um, so I think there's lots of opportunity for storytelling, um, within the worlds and
depending on, you know, what your community is, or maybe if you're an artist, hey, the
same way you can, you know, film yourself in the real world and create content within
these, uh, these meta worlds, you can tell stories, film yourself.
And that's kind of, uh, yeah, I'm really interested in that.
One of the projects that I'm kind of just began as a little, uh, web series, sort of a story
kind of crime, noir crime type story involving, you know, one of our, uh, goat, uh, characters.
Um, we've created, uh, you know, a 3d avatar similar to kind of my DFP and, um, we've taken
that avatar and put it into, uh, a GTA grand theft auto server.
And so within that world, um, we're creating these little segments of this crime thriller,
kind of little two to three minute episodes, there's going to be 10 of them and, um, kind
of just using that world.
Um, if anyone's familiar with GTA, the city of Los Santos, um, you know, and within that
world, like now our, our goat characters, our NFT holders, um, can, you know, enter the
world and drive a car around and, you know, get into trouble, whatever, whatever sort of
you want to do, it's just providing, uh, them with an experience.
Now I say that is sort of a more of a future thing because right now we're literally just
taking the avatar and we're with a special group of, uh, filmmakers were, you know, on
our sort of body actors or people who are moving our avatars around in that we're, you
know, doing something very specific.
So we jump in there and we're shooting scenes, placing the camera where, where we want to
grab that scene and, um, kind of similar to what we, the way we would shoot a, a movie in
real life.
Um, you know, we have our actors, we've got a location, we've got our cameraman, we show
up and we start to block out the scenes.
Oh, you know, walk through that doorway there, you know, action and cameras rolling and cut.
And we've got that little clip.
So the same way in GTA, we're shooting all these little clips.
We save those and then bring it back into the editor and edit it like normal.
So it's, I'm not an animator or a 3d modeler, but, um, these worlds somewhat make it, uh, you
know, easy to sort of replicate the way we shoot films in real life.
Because you've got your actors, you know, you got a camera in there and it's just, it's
kind of fun.
It's experimental for me at this point.
I am so stoked that you came up on stage because this, uh, your experience is very much in
parallel with, uh, some other, uh, work that I'm doing and being able to do some, you know,
uh, filming, you know, uh, it, it's such a, a cool, uh, cool tool.
In fact, with all the metaverse properties that we've had, we, you know, this, you know,
with Token Smart, we've had this, uh, uh, we, a documentarian by the name of Paradox.
He's actually a, um, a video producer out of the UK.
And he's, um, he's, um, he's done some amazing, uh, capture of, of these massive, uh, parties
in Voxels and elsewhere.
And so, uh, our videographer slash, uh, stills capture, you know, um, marking the event.
But, um, in your case, uh, I, I think that is absolutely, uh, part and parcel to having
events, uh, whether, you know, in your case, having it a, how I'm curious, uh, what length
of, um, uh, a movie are you, uh, heading for with your current project?
Yeah.
So, you know, the total length when, when the, this particular series will be finished will
probably be, I don't know, 40, 40 to 50 minutes in total, but the, the webisodes are actually
about, you know, three to five minutes long each, 10 of the, um, so the idea is to, you
know, build, build the community, build an audience and, you know, some of the exciting
things to do, say that you couldn't do traditional and traditional animation.
You know, we, we have the locations built out.
So, you know, for example, the, the opening scene where we see three of our characters are
on this pier, which is very similar to the pier at Santa Monica, um, uh, end up, you know,
having a Q and a with, with the, the voice actors.
So now they're going to appear on, you know, they're going to be right at the pier, right
where we shot this.
And, um, you know, people are going to be able to ask them questions and they'll be there
like as their, as their avatar that they play within the animated series.
And here's where, you know, things can get, you know, a, you know, it's going to be community
owned.
So with smart contracts, our actors, um, and.
And the idea, say for an actor, you know, for them to, um, monetize their role in that particular
show, like this is where you could have, you know, different paid experiences.
Like, Hey, if you want to go for a ride with Emma, the pool shark, uh, you know, she'll take
you for a ride in her Corvette and answer any personal questions that you have about, you
know, what her role in the mystery was.
And, you know, maybe clients are willing to pay a hundred bucks to interact with their
favorite character from the series, you know?
So this then can become a way, Hey, um, she can monetize that character in so many different
ways or, or like you say, for music artists, you know, maybe there's a club and this is
something kind of, we want to do cause we have artists within our community where, Hey, this
is like a little side adventure, man, go into this club.
And we have a performance by Wilkes who's singing his latest song or something like that.
Um, well, you're basically mimicking, you know, comic-con and, or, you know, definitely,
uh, fam, um, what do you call it when fans create something.
Um, so basically, uh, this is such a great concept.
Um, and that, that actually goes to, you know, as a, as an artist, you can do the same thing,
obviously.
And so for, you know, uh, if it's just pure art, you can, uh, have conversations with
that artist or musician band.
Uh, there's, you know, that's, that's such a great thing, you know, being able to, to
have, um, you know, lack of a better word, uh, house parties and, uh, you know, various
levels of, uh, of rewards, right?
And so, um, what, you know, one thing I wanted to share is that, um, uh, we have hexadized
as a listener here, uh, who has been a huge part of a AR project, uh, known as, uh, well,
it, it's essentially, um, uh, based on hex, uh, uh, uh, constructs, uh, in the real world
and, uh, allowing for AR builds to be, uh, installed, uh, in that location.
And so, uh, it's, uh, why am I gonna blank?
Uh, it's over, uh, it used to be, uh, over reality.
And so basically over, uh, is just a, a really incredible platform.
And so, uh, perhaps there's an opportunity to, to learn something there as well.
Uh, just want to, uh, give him a shout out and, uh, we were.
Yeah.
How is hex doing?
And it's like, I haven't, this is the, uh, the Richard, uh, uh, the, the hex thing, right?
I know the token was doing pretty, no, no, no, no, no, no, okay.
Denver and hex, uh, as much as we'd like to be part of the FOMO and the, uh, um, and you
know, you know, uh, the pump, but no, he, uh, hex is a very standup guy that, uh, really,
uh, we, we value his presence in our community beyond anything like that.
No problem.
Did I talk down Richard?
I'm sorry.
I just want his Ferrari and one of his gold chains.
Yeah.
I think there was a documentary just done by him.
Oh my God.
Richard Hart.
That's it.
Richard Hart.
Yes.
Okay.
I'm kind of curious.
I got to see the price of hex right now.
We have a request.
The goat.
Sorry.
I didn't notice you until now.
Come, uh, come aboard.
Yeah.
I like goats.
I don't, there's lots of goats in the house.
The goats.
Yeah.
So, uh, if you could, uh, before this is out, uh, why don't you pin, uh, your goats
project up so we could, uh, explore that a little bit more.
It sounds like a really cool scene.
Uh, love to learn more and potentially be part of it.
Sure.
Thanks.
Yeah.
Appreciate it.
Uh, who else hexadized?
If I used your name in vain or got anything wrong, please, uh, request to come up.
But otherwise, uh, give me a thumbs up if I did.
Okay.
Um, anyway, uh, but you're probably playing with the kids.
So, um, with the goat, welcome.
What's happening?
Uh, anything, uh, catch your ear, catch your eye, so to speak, uh, in this conversation.
Um, thank you, man.
Yeah.
You know, I came in last night with just a quick observation.
Um, well, one, I just like to see so many goats in the house that I was, I had to come
up and show some love.
I was like, okay, we, it's, it's real if we got goats up here.
Um, but two, I love, I love, love, love to just hear like the actual like application
of all of this stuff rather than kind of speculative natures of things.
And I like the fact that you're already thinking about the different ways that, um, specific
creators could monetize their brands within, uh, the metaverse you're building.
I don't know.
I think I might've came in a little bit late.
I'm not sure if you're building your own world or if you're building like within like
your own land in someone else's world or what it, whatever it is.
Um, but I think that it's really important to, when we're all building these things, not
do it in a silo, um, and make sure that these things are actually interoperable and that people
like can go from world to world and experience to experience and kind of carry that expertise
with them.
And that, I think that's just something that I'm seeing missing right now, um, across
all of the different metaverse builders as you're kind of like starting from zero, every
new metaverse you go to.
And it, um, yeah, I don't know.
I just wanted to add that in there.
I'm not, I'm just here for a good conversation.
Well, I definitely appreciate that.
And yeah, definitely, uh, the intent is to, to own our own, um, um, meta metaverse, uh, virtual
instances for these, um, you know, uh, event spaces, whatever you want to call it, uh, installations
of, uh, assets and of course, all the access to it, the interaction.
I mean, it's, uh, the world is our oyster.
Uh, hmm.
What's a better word for metaverse?
Translate that guys.
Give me something.
Um, but you know, the, the reality is that, uh, it's a matter of time and education, right?
And, uh, we have mentors that are out there.
Uh, I think, um, you know, this is my first, uh, space regarding this.
So, uh, in addition to the one that I'm, uh, spinning up, uh, Wednesday nights, I think
I'll find a way to spin this up, uh, as a weekly conversation as well.
I think it's good.
I don't think that there's, I think that the whole metaverse concept kind of went away for
a little bit, uh, you know, after everything crashed, like people were like, oh, all the
LARPers that said they were building games and never developed anything.
And, and so I think it's actually a pretty good time to kind of bring back like the concept
and, and also have some, some critical use case that, that you're going to use for it.
I know at VSN, like, you know, we've been working on our own virtual world and have a
whole 3d rendered city with an architect that helped with that.
But I, I kind of see it pointless unless like the actual community is already exists and the
platform already exists and the infrastructure for the media, um, and breakouts and percentages
already exists.
So that's, that's kind of where we're focused on first at VSN is just developing and fleshing
that out.
And then we'll kind of return back to now let's put it inside a virtual world.
Cause really it should be able to go into any virtual worlds and then we just have a city,
but everybody else's city could also have the same type of party.
If that makes sense.
So really quick, uh, VSN, uh, what is, do you actually have the, it's obviously not.
You want a little elevator pitch real quick?
Yeah, go for it.
Let's see.
You cracked that one open.
Let's, let's hear it.
All right.
I'll be quick.
So it's not a shameless show.
Um, essentially we are a multimedia network similar to what you would see with like HBO or ABC.
We have programming.
We have a community of different creators that want to create original programming for
Um, mostly at, at this time has been music oriented programming.
Um, and our programs lead to the actual like creation of catalog.
So we have a pretty large catalog of, of music that we've created through different streamed
shows with a bunch of other creators.
Um, and now we kind of took a step back and we were like, we can't just give this out for
free.
We can't just put this through traditional distribution methods.
And we went to the drawing board of like, okay, let's, let's see how we would want to
reskin this, um, industry and how we would want to use blockchain to specifically accomplish
what we're trying to do.
And then we ran into a blockchain called Alluvio, um, about a year ago.
And they are an entire blockchain that's specifically built for content.
And nothing else.
So they don't really care about crypto or the speculative nature of NFTs.
It's just about packaging, distributing, storing, and managing content, um, using blockchain.
And they currently already are working with all of the majors.
Um, so they're partnered with Fox, Sony, Warner, MGM, uh, UMG, like just goes on and on
Microsoft.
Uh, and so that's terrific.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, so they're all these major companies are using Alluvio to basically dip their toes in
the water right now.
Um, they've actually, they're able to put full 8k feature length films into an NFT.
So they have the entire Lord of the Rings movie in one NFT.
But in addition to that, inside the same NFT, they can also include an entire box set suite
of other content, including deleted scenes, commentary from the directors, uh, costume design,
animation, sketches.
It's really kind of like a disgusting amount of content that's in one NFT.
And, um, we took a look at that and we were like, holy shit, we could break this open for
independent creators, um, because nobody's using it.
Absolutely.
Uh, and now, okay, here's the secret sauce.
Is it IPFS or is it AR weave?
What is it on the backend?
Um, they built their own content fabric that weaves the content into the blockchain.
Um, so prior to creating this blockchain, these aren't just some random tech bros.
Uh, the CEO is a woman named Michelle Munson.
And prior to creating Alluvio, they sold their last company to IBM.
And that was a software called Aspera.
And Aspera is what is still currently used by all the major movie studios today to send
the final cut of their movie around the world because they can't use fucking WeTransfer
or like Google Dropbox or Drive or anything like that to send the final cut.
So, you know, like James Cameron wants Avatar to look the same in Indonesia as he does, uh,
here in the U S and so they currently use Aspera because it's able to transfer, uh, these files
and store these files in this way that doesn't distort or basically bring any of the resolution
down.
So after they sold that to IBM for an undisclosed amount of money, um, they said, we can actually
do something a thousand times more efficient using blockchain.
And so they actually, and I can pin, um, or DM you a talk that Michelle's done recently,
but their, their tech is absolutely insane.
They actually have the infrastructure to completely change the way that media is transferred on the
internet.
Uh, that's their goal and focus is not about crypto or, you know, blowing shit up.
It's literally about how it's media has been moved around on the internet the same since
the invention of the internet.
And now rather than all of our, you know, host devices having to download a file into our cache
in order to display it, therefore, you know, taking down the security as well as, um, generating
new copies that aren't traceable, uh, Aluvio has one master file where everybody views that
master file if they have access.
And so, uh, couple of questions that come up right away.
So, uh, what's the mechanism, uh, for integration such that this, uh, content can be streamed into,
you know, any manner of, uh, you know, uh, virtual worlds.
So spatial hyperfi, uh, or does it need to be native to, uh, their own, uh, virtual space
platform?
So they don't have a virtual space platform.
They're, they're, they're the underlying infrastructure.
I would think about it more like a super glorified Dropbox.
Ah, okay.
When you're just, and you're just pulling up that file to wherever you'd like it to be
seen and then managing the access so that it's okay to view that file.
So, I don't know, were you part of Aspara at all?
Well, I, was I part of what?
Uh, what's the name of the company that she was part of again?
Asparta?
Aspera.
Aspera, yeah.
Aspera, yeah.
P-E-R-A.
Uh, I was with a company called Digital Fountain, uh, back in the early 2000s and they, uh,
were doing, uh, digital dailies with, uh, Disney and whatnot.
And the whole idea was, uh, being able to, uh, you know, send the, the high quality, uh,
information through the use of these things called, uh, or this process called Raptor
codes.
Uh, and they were, they were able to just have, you know, a minimal amount of overhead
to be able to, uh, uh, basically break up the content and reassemble it on the other
end, uh, without loss.
That sounds familiar.
Yeah.
And so, uh, you could have all the latency in the world without, um, without loss.
Uh, and so that was the coolest thing at the time about, uh, you know, being able to, uh,
retain, uh, the picture quality or whatever media quality.
So I'm, you know, that's my wheelhouse.
Yeah, no, it's, it's really interesting stuff and it's really helpful because I personally
am an artist.
I'm a musician.
I'm an entrepreneur.
I like to do community events and community engagement stuff for other artists.
My partner is a producer, a DJ.
He sat on the board of the Grammys fighting for DMCA copyright laws.
So like we're very entertainment focused and we, when we realized what was possible with
blockchain, we kind of pivoted a little bit into more of like really fleshing out the
tech and the infrastructure of what we could do.
And now that we're sitting here with this partnership with Alluvia, where we're essentially
their, their flagship network, the only user generated content, like that's on that platform.
Um, now we don't really have to focus on the tech because they've kind of already built
out everything.
That's super easy.
Well, I think we, you know, we need to, to talk, uh, let's, let's continue this on DM
because I'm super interested.
I have, uh, you know, live videos that are exceeding the, uh, you know, the limits of most
platforms and, you know, to be able to take advantage of, you know, your, you know, nearly
unlimited, uh, you know, on chain storage.
That's just, uh, really exciting to hear about.
And, you know, with that, the, uh, I don't know if you see Abel, uh, in the, the listening
crowd, uh, I don't know, have you ever spoken with him directly?
Oh yeah.
I've spoke with Abel.
Um, he's familiar.
And then I, after talking to Abel enough, I realized he was very similar to my partner.
So you, I just need to put you in a, in a meeting with my partner.
So y'all can talk about old school hip hop and whatnot.
Right on.
Well, uh, I might not be of that genre, but, uh, for sure, uh, we have such a huge opportunity,
you know, because, you know, ultimately taking the, the archive of performances and being
able to, uh, somehow map it, uh, to metaverse experiences, um, whether or not, you know,
you can take old footage and essentially, uh, uh, do a, you know, AI, uh, generated, um,
you know, motion capture, uh, that would be, uh, very interesting to do, uh, for a band
just, uh, having performed on a stage, but clearly, uh, the, the source content, being
able to integrate, um, the, the playback of that into, uh, metaverse platforms, having
some sort of rich, uh, interaction with it.
Uh, I think this just opens up the conversation that much more on the media side, clearly.
For sure.
For sure.
And that's, that's, that's kind of where, that's kind of where I lie and what, what I
do at least.
Um, and I just want to mention just because it sounds like you, you guys, you and Garnett
do this.
You can also live stream into an NFT.
So, so.
I actually have a caster.
Have you heard of caster before?
Is that, but are you talking about token gaining a live stream?
No, it's actually an NFT that I have in my wallet that I can stream to, uh, via a key
straight out of, uh, OBS.
Word.
So somebody else could just open it up and see the live stream.
Exactly.
You just click on the NFT and there you see it.
Yep.
That's tight.
And you can, you can token gate that.
Right.
So I haven't noodled with that.
I haven't told anybody else here in this crowd yet, but this artist of our, in our circle
bogey and a few others are just going, yeah, they found every little nook for live streaming.
You know, we've got our friends over at hype shot, formerly known as the four Oh two there's
coop, you know, of course on lens.
I mean, there's so many streaming, you know, opportunities that are token gated and then
yours, I guess the backend, um, you know, or whatever, um, rapper you can offer for, you
know, so, wow.
Um, we can have a whole nother, uh, conversation, uh, for that.
Um, is there anyone, uh, in the audience that wants to jump up and, you know, ask questions,
you know, put your two cents worth in on this because, uh, we just went next level and Garnet
since you're on, uh, you know, uh, thoughts, questions.
Yeah, no, I definitely am interested to look into Alluvia because kind of part of
the, what we've been trying to do, um, is, uh, be able to, um, create a, you know, sell
a movie as an NFT and, um, almost using the NFT to decrypt, uh, an encrypted sort of movie
file, um, so we, we've been looking into that and kind of at the same time solving the problem
of, um, I guess the web three world going from web two to web three is a big jump for
most of the kind of consumers out there.
So we want to, you know, have a solution that I, I guess I call it web 2.5 to be able to
sell, uh, a song, uh, an NFT, whether it's a song or a movie or even a PDF or whatever
kind of information you're giving access to where the NFT decrypts it.
But also these are like impulse purchases and people want to buy it right now.
And, you know, we've been trying to come up with a credit card solution that kind of allows
people to instantly buy.
And whether it's like top shots where, um, we have to kind of manage their NFT until they're
ready to move it off of a centralized platform, but all about creating an experience that's
kind of instant, you know, like we have artists who have a lot of fans, they don't know what
the heck crypto is and they have no intention of going out and, you know, before they buy
that digital collectible to even figure out what Ethereum is or, you know, um, I had one
of our own artists who he was, uh, he'd gotten connected with the XRP guys and, um, they were
launching, I don't know, I guess he could do XRP NFTs and I've wanted to buy his token and
I'm like, but I was in the middle of stuff and I'm like, I do not know, even know how to
get an XRP wallet and, and to, to get out there.
Like I didn't have the time, but his, his, uh, drop was happening really fast.
And I just said to my buddy, I'm like, buy me, you know, some of his NFTs because I want
one, but I, you know, and I've been in cryptos for years, right.
We're developers.
I didn't know how to get, I didn't know how to get XRP.
So if, if it's that bad for me, how bad is it to just that fan out there who wants these
experiences?
It's cool.
They want to support their artists and we've got to make it easier for them.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, there's so much, um, that goes into the concept of multi-chain and, uh, or chain
agnostic, uh, ownership.
And that ease of entry is, is definitely the, the secret sauce that's coming.
There's a number of projects out there that are working on that and, uh, recognizing that
is, you know, definitely there's, there's momentum towards that.
And so, um, we can definitely, uh, keep that in conversation and high five the goat.
Sorry.
I didn't know if you had the sound effect or not.
Um, yeah.
I have to work on that.
Yeah, I could.
Oh, don't rug.
Let go.
You've gone silent to us.
You can't hear me?
Now.
Hello.
Yeah.
I'm in, I'm in here.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Now I can hear you.
All right.
Yeah.
No, I couldn't agree more.
The friction of onboarding has been ridiculous.
Uh, I actually worked at like a, a wallet company before this that was trying to get a bunch
of new DeFi projects to use it.
And everybody, it was right after FTX.
Everybody was like, go fuck yourself, bro.
Not using a new wallet.
I, this is crazy.
Um, but alluvio and the way that VSN works is, is, is just like top shot.
It's, it's more for web two than it is for web three, but it uses blockchain.
People can buy with their debit card and credit card.
Um, and actually it's been harder for, to get people to go from web three to web 2.5 than
it has been to get the web two people to go to web 2.5.
Um, in my experience thus far, uh, me too.
I don't like going back credit card.
Oh no.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, but you know, it's early.
I think we're still in the discovery stages of everything.
Um, everything, um, everything that I'm talking about, we're still in like research and development,
uh, of how it actually should be used.
So would love to talk to anybody who's thinking about this as a tech that they, they're interested
All right.
Well, I, you can count me in, uh, definitely we'll start something up on DM and figure out,
uh, how we can, you know, perhaps spin this up, uh, into, uh,
a greater conversation because I, I love these think tank, uh, situations and Abel, you came
up, uh, definitely wanted to get you in on the conversation.
So, uh, hi.
Well, hello.
Um, and good evening and, um, shit, I can't hear him.
I'm dropping down.
Sorry.
Oh yeah.
Uh, thanks.
The goat, um, courtesy of the goat, uh, reconnect.
Um, yeah, man, I'm doing good.
I just enjoy, you know, listening and, uh, what you guys are talking about and also people
that I know, you know, connecting and meeting.
And I think that that's, you know, it just makes me happy to see everybody sort of sharing
the, uh, the new technology and ideas and stuff.
I see them as tools.
So, you know, it's like, you know, we all need some hammers, uh, to start hammering
Um, but yeah, I, I see a lot of connections.
You know, I think that when I hear somebody say some, you know, what they're up to and
I hear another person say what they're up to, my mind has a way to connect that, you
know, not all of them are, are, you know, perfect, but I always have learned to take the
chance and, and kind of, you know, speak out there.
I mean, um, I, I just wanted to come up and say, Hey, cause I know, uh, most everybody
here and it's just awesome to, uh, see people and hear the conversation.
Um, I had one other thing that I was like thinking about contributing, but it escaped
my mind.
So if it comes back, I'll, I'll let you know.
Um, well, definitely please do.
Um, Oh, it did.
Oh, the credit card situation.
Thanks felons.
Um, that's all I needed is your voice to exalted air.
It's yeah.
Yeah.
So what happened?
I, I minted a few NFTs with credit card and, and some, but recently I minted some and I didn't
realize that one of my like alternate wallets was connected to the, um, site.
So when I was minting, um, I didn't realize that that was the one that I had selected.
And for some reason I overlooked or it just didn't, you know, tell me or whatever happened.
Um, in the end, the NFTs were minted to this other wallet.
So it's funny that, you know, like the convenience of, Oh, I'll just use my credit card.
Like that's easy, um, actually turned into a real freaking, you know, rat's nest of like,
wait, where did this thing actually go?
And once I have it, like, I want to be able to transfer my NFTs and do different things
with them.
And so that's, what's been most frustrating for NFTs that I've purchased with credit cards
is that they don't really function in the same way.
Unless you go through extra steps in, you know, using your wallet, doing transfers, paying
gas fees, bridging, swapping, blah, blah, blah.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it, it, it kind of just continually like, you know, bites me in the, uh, in the heel a
little bit.
You're like, Oh, I thought I stepped over it.
Then you're like, ow, what is that?
Well, I made the mistake of, uh, trying to export or transfer a POAP out of my POAP wallet
via ETH to my, uh, my MetaMask.
And of course it was all, you know, that was in peak, peak gas time.
And it's just like, wow, that cost me 15 bucks or something like that to transfer.
It's like, ah, no, won't do that again.
But, um, yeah, at this point, um, you know, just that onboarding, uh, if we can find that,
uh, path in, you know, uh, if, if it only takes the, you know, uh, coming in on a DAX
or, or, you know, some custodial, um, you know, that type of credit card activity, you
know, uh, but I'm backtracking, you don't want to have to necessarily do KYC.
But, um, they, the whole idea is, you know, being able to store it right away in the blockchain
where it's being minted and having immediate access, right?
And so how do you, uh, find a, uh, a DAX that, uh, that essentially, if, if that's the
right organization to do it, um, because all these swap, you know, Sushi and Uniswap and
all these others, those should be able to facilitate this whole activity.
It's just, um, it's interesting that we've, uh, continued to have this, um, this problem.
So, well, I mean, I just was thinking about it and I think you're right, you know, and
it's, it takes conversations like this to figure it out.
And I would just say, like, I was, I was thinking about it and, you know, I would suggest
that anybody who's going to mint their, you know, artwork, music, whatever it is on a new
platform, actually collect from that platform first so that you see what that other end
of the experience is.
I think that that's when I think back, I'm like, okay, that that's when I really learned
the most, um, is like, you know, I want to try this, but okay, let me see how it works.
Like on the backend of like, if I'm going to offer this, like, how are people going to receive
And so every drop that I've ever done, it takes like a bit of technical support, um,
in general, like something's not going to work correct, or you're going to have to help
somebody jump through some hoop.
So I don't see why we don't, you know, just go for like the closest connection there in
that.
But I would suggest anybody really collect before they mint on whatever it is that they
want to try.
Yeah, that's a great idea.
I agree.
Um, you know, I'm looking at the time we're coming up on a noon Pacific, 3 PM, uh, East
coast.
Uh, I don't know.
Do we have anybody out of, um, out of the country?
Uh, if there's anyone out there, uh, raise a hand, throw us a heart.
Uh, really appreciate any international crowd.
Um, I'm thinking of winding it down.
Sorry to kind of do an abrupt, uh, shift here, but I think we have enough to, to have another
conversation.
And so I'm going to, uh, spin another one up, um, make it more broad, but basically, you
know, talking about, um, you know, uh, maximizing NFTs and digital assets in virtual worlds.
How's that for a title?
All right.
A hundred percent.
Sounds great.
Um, yeah.
What do you mean for right now or?
Well, so I'm going to wind down this conversation right now and, uh, basically open the floor
for any last, uh, comments, ideas.
This has been recorded.
So this is, um, a very cool, uh, resource to, to go back to, uh, for inspiration, um, you
know, uh, points of thought.
Uh, and, uh, at this point, what I was just suggesting is, uh, using that title I just
threw out there for the next, uh, round table you can say, because, you know, it was so very
cool that you guys jumped into this just under the title of magic carpets belong in the metaverse.
Um, and so, uh, and that was all in context of my NFT known, uh, named, uh, magic carpet.
And so the intent of making that NFT hold, uh, a higher value, uh, higher, uh, entertainment
engagement, uh, with collectors, um, and to, uh, shore that up with, you know, technology
that facilitates, you know, uh, yeah, 10X growth, uh, feature sets, you know, uh, richer
content, uh, you know, and more complex, um, attributes you can say to the NFTs themselves.
This has just been a huge conversation and just peeling the onion, uh, has been, uh, you
know, 10X.
So really appreciate everybody's contribution here.
Looks like, okay, Garnet's still here.
Cool.
Uh, I don't know, Garnet, if you wanted to come back up, you're welcome to.
Um, I didn't notice until now that you dropped out, um, but at this point, uh, Legault.
Yeah.
Yes, sir.
Any last thoughts?
Okay.
Garnet is requesting, but I'll wait for him.
Yeah.
Um, I just had one more thing to say about what Garnet was talking about wanting to do.
And then also kind of a little bit in the context of what we've been saying here.
Um, you know, after, you know, kind of seeing that Lord of the Rings box set and understanding
what's possible in one NFT, it's kind of reshaped.
Like you said, for us, what, what making a richer NFT is and what that experience is.
Um, and so the creators we've been working with, like someone will be like, Hey, I have
a movie and it's like, all right, you have the movie.
Maybe we can sell the movie for one price, but really what we can do is put together a
package where it's the movie and the original script, and maybe the characters talking about
certain scenes and maybe a weekly private group chat.
That's in the NFT that only folders can see and just kind of thinking about what, what can all be included there.
And, and really it's, it's the scraps that most creators kind of just toss out that are like, eh, this isn't the final product.
Right. But at the end of the day, the process is the product.
And like people will want to see the nitty gritty bits of all that.
Um, and it's all about, it's integrated into Apple TV.
So right now, so you, so you're able to watch, um, your NFTs on Apple TV with VSN's specific Tennessee.
Uh, that's probably going to come into like a month or so.
But, um, right now they're, they're basically exclusively launching it with, uh, Warner.
Um, and the movies that they've done.
So that is so exciting to be part of that.
Uh, so again, uh, what organization are you part of?
Vibestream network, VSN.
Okay.
Yep.
And we are basically the multimedia user generated content community network.
Uh, we have our own original programming, and then we work with creators who basically have their own ecosystems around them to come up with programming that people would want to really binge and watch.
And it's more about the entertainment than anything else, uh, in that regard.
You know, um, Garnet, uh, to your point about, uh, using, uh, Grand Theft Auto or something similar.
Uh, I'm, I'm working with a, uh, digital artist, uh, that we're using AI to overlay, uh, another world, so to speak.
Um, and provide, uh, driving, uh, music videos.
I've got these two songs top down and, uh, max glide that I'm actually going to submit to the meta rides radio next round, the round two, but, uh, that type of content, music video, uh, really high quality, uh, video.
This is just in that wheelhouse.
Um, so, uh, I am very interested and with that, um, not to be too selfish in all of this, but yeah, I started the space.
Um, anyway, uh, with that, uh, Garnet, you came back up.
Uh, please.
Yeah, just wanted to say thanks for putting the space together.
A lot of great ideas.
Let's, let's do it again.
Continue doing it.
Um, everything.
Um, you know, I also do want to give props to, um, a project called the Chillin' Chillies.
Um, and, and those guys are just the amazing, just what they're doing in the space with avatars.
Like they're cutting edge stuff every week, uh, on their discord channel.
They're doing stuff in unreal engine with avatars filming.
That's where I kind of met them originally was actually in a space called, uh, Neos where.
Yeah.
Well, we've been in there together.
What?
Yeah.
What?
I was hanging out there yesterday.
Really?
Yeah.
You know, Bogey, uh, and Dr. Doge are, uh, I'm actually, uh, starting, uh, projects with
Dr. Doge and, uh, Bogey's working on my, my epic, uh, 3D.
Um, uh, yeah.
Okay.
So, and, you know, just to, to expand that conversation, there's Vipe that they invariably got involved
with and then, you know, Vipe is an offshoot from, uh, crypto avatars, which is a, um, an offshoot of, uh, polygonal minds, polygonal minds.
I don't know if you've heard of that, but Vipe, uh, through the collections of, uh, crypto avatars and a whole shit ton of other projects.
They now have 200,000 plus VRM avatars available in their platform.
Oh, wow.
Vipe, V-I-P-E dot I-O.
Okay.
Blow your mind.
Okay.
Just, okay.
A random parting thought, which just came up as you started talking about NEOS.
Um, for musicians, you know, here's another completely new way to publish music in, in virtual spaces that can't be done on your phone in a, actually, maybe it could be done on a phone, but, um, in a car or whatever.
In, in NEOS, we'd taken a 32 track orchestral track and sort of separated the tracks and put them in their spaces the same way you would, you know, I always, you know, as a sound mixer, I, my dream has been to walk through the symphonic orchestra, you know, and walk through the aisleways, right?
Like between the string section, then over to the horns, because it always blows my mind what live instruments actually sound like.
It's quite, like, it's an experience, right?
Like, you know, you're, you guys are listening, this generation listens to music through their phones.
And, um, you know, until you've sat in front of a trombone or a, you know, a timpani, like it's, it's, so the idea was to replicate that.
And so we separated the tracks where you could walk through and the, the closer you got to the timpanis or the strings and, and as you turned your head, you were hearing these instruments the same way you would.
So that's another experience you can sell, you know, with an NFT, it can be, you know, token gated.
Hey, you've heard the track, but how would you like to walk on the stage with, with those star playing the drums over here?
And, you know, you get to walk beside Paul McCartney, you're going to hear just his bass over here.
So yeah.
Right.
Anyway.
And you get the Atmos version as well.
Yeah.
That's the coolest shit I ever heard, man.
I need to, I need to see and experience that.
So I got to hit you up.
Can't you do that?
Because, you know, uh, Neos is super powerful, but it is a huge boat.
I mean, it's a boat anchor of a performance.
You have to have the client if you really want to experience it full on.
Um, and it, you know, ultimately it's very much, it's like Unreal Engine Jr.
And, uh, I would be under the impression that you could do something similar in HyperFi.
And, uh, what, what you can do is you can create individual screens for each performer and you can set the proximity to each performer screen.
And so, of course, you might make it fall over if you've got more than 20 screens talking at the same time.
But we don't know yet.
Yeah, that's it.
Uh, that's a conversation for those guys to see if we could redo what we did in Neos.
Because Neos is a bit of a pit.
I mean, my computer, you know, barely operates in that space.
Yeah.
It, like, crashes all the time depending how thick the worlds are, so.
Well, do you know Bolt, Bolt VM?
Or EVM? Bolt EVM?
Yeah, uh, he's got a number of properties that, uh, you know, uh, Bogey and company have built in.
In fact, um, Bogey was creating, uh, my 3D project in Blender and then he imported it to, uh, you know, Neos.
And it was just such a pig that ultimately he, uh, went back to Blender and now he's imported the whole thing into Unreal.
And, you know, the, yeah.
But of course, you know, that's, you know.
I mean, the cool thing about digital asset was it's, like, multi, like, it's collaborational interface.
Yes.
And until, to describe it to you guys is, you know, imagine kind of flow chart type bubbles in 3D space with code inside of them.
And then you can have, like, five or ten coders in a room all looking at different parts of the program and adjusting them simultaneously.
Like, people working on the projects in that space, the devs in there, it's, like, I'm, like, oh, this is blowing my mind, like, how they're collaborating together on code simultaneously.
Man, you've just cracked open the whole other thing.
And, uh, what's interesting is OnCyber does, you know, through their new world building or world builder tools, uh, they do allow, uh, for, uh, uh, simultaneous, uh, you know, world building.
And it seems like it's pretty unlimited.
Uh, we were in a couple spaces or properties that, you know, we had, like, 50 people jumping around building stuff.
Like, that's where you really, I mean, that's how that orchestra world, like, some random guy just showed up.
And I was showing him a map and he started coding stuff.
I didn't even know what he was doing.
But, uh, you're, and, and then, of course, like, the, because I'm a filmmaker, we want something that replicates that real life scenario where, hey, you've got someone working on set pieces over here.
So another guy working on the lighting, getting it lit, Ray, someone's working on the avatar, the clothing on, you know, that you're going to wear in the scene.
And it's like, Neos is great at that, you know, um, true.
And it's essentially free.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's.
Oh, man.
And, and, and, and it's got a really, for, for, on the crypto side, a really crazy backstory as to how it was right and how it went wrong.
How, like, how the, the, the crypto side really screwed up the project in a way.
Um, I need to jet, guys, but it's been awesome.
Yeah.
Thank you for having me up and we will stay connected via DMs.
Nice to meet all of you.
So, Mitch, Hexodize, I don't know if any of you have requested to come up, uh, if I missed it, I'm sorry.
Uh, we'll have another space and, uh, any of you else, um, hopefully you'll catch, uh, a similar, uh, you know, uh, space advertised.
Um, I'll basically say, uh, NFTs belong in the metaverse or something like that.
So with that, again, Legault, uh, no, where'd he go?
He's out.
Um, uh,
What is NEOS?
What is, how do you spell that?
I just, cause I heard y'all talking about it.
It sounds interesting.
I've never heard of it though.
I'm sorry.
What are you talking about?
The program you guys were just talking about.
Oh, it's NEOS.
N-E-O-S.
N-E-O-S.
Okay.
Yeah.
You bet.
Anytime.
So, great, great session.
Uh, we've got so much more to talk about and, uh, we could go on for hours.
I'm sure of it.
And my train will constantly go through my brain.
So we're going to stop that now.
Take it easy guys.
Uh, what do you, what do you think?
Should I do the outro?
Um, keep up my.
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
Let it, um, let it rock.
Um, yeah.
Cool, man.
I appreciate it.
Peace, everybody.
Yeah.
Peace.
Here we go.
Uh, because you heard it on the X.
Oh, hang on.
Well, you know what?
We're going to do an outro with Magic Carpet.
And, uh, you know what?
For everyone here, I would be so appreciative if, uh, you would be able to collect it.
Uh, you'll find the link there and, uh, it'll be your ticket, uh, to ride.
Here you go.
Take care, guys.
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