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Make Money With Vibe Coding w/ Ben Jammin | Grateful Show #434
Recorded: Jan. 29, 2026 Duration: 2:34:54Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the transformative potential of Vibe Coding, with Benjamin sharing insights on earning over $400K in six months. The conversation highlighted emerging trends, strategic partnerships, and the importance of innovative project launches and token issuances in the evolving crypto landscape.
Full Transcription
Caroline, see Caroline, all the guys would say she's mighty fine, but mighty fine ain't
got you somewhere half the time, and the other half ain't got you, cause a lot of coming
to show, yeah, and they dig this now, even though, you need a golden calculator to divide
The time to look inside and realize that real guys go real down to Mars, girls, hollering
Yeah, I know you like to make your shit don't stain
But lean a little bit closer, see, roses really smell like boo-boo-boo, yeah, roses really smell like boo-boo-boo, I know you like to bang, no shit don't stain, but lean a little bit closer, see, roses really smell like boo-boo-boo, yeah, roses really smell like ooh ooh ooh ooh
yeah roses smell like ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh
ah ah ah
Caroline, Caroline, she's the reason for the perfect bitch
she's feeding on her way to the club trying to hurry up to get to a ball or a psych or something like that and try to put on her makeup in the mirror and crash crash crash into a ditch just bad
she needs the golden cap to leave her to divide the time it takes to look inside
and do the eyes that feel guys yo gmg legend. So many incredible people here in the audience.
And of course, you're on stage.
Guys, we still have two more minutes of intro.
So drop a GM in the comments.
I pin up the badge.
Another incredible piece by Jubrel.
And please retweet the space so more people can see it.
More people can vibe with us.
And also bookmarks work.
So if you can bookmark, that's also and let's go this is gonna be incredible episode guys
I know it vibe coding AI and everything is taking over it's gonna be crazy let's go
You ready?
Let's go.
Yeah.
For those of you that want to know what we're all about,
it's like this, y'all.
This is 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will,
5% pleasure, 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name.
He doesn't need his name up in lights, he just wants to be heard.
Whether it's the beat of the mic, he feels so unlike everybody else alone.
In spite of the fact that some people still think that they know him, but fuck him, he knows the code.
It's not about the salary, it's all about reality.
Making some noise, making a story, making sure his click stays up.
That means when he puts it down, Toc's picking it up.
Let's go.
He never really talks much.
Never conserved status, but still even a star struck.
Humble through opportunities given despite the fact.
That many misjudge him cause he makes a living from writing rags.
Put it together himself, now the picture connects.
Never asking for someone's help, or to give someone's back. It's only focused on what he wrote,
his will is beyond reach. And now what all unfolds, the skill of an artist.
This is 20% skill, 80% fear, be 100% clear, cause Ryu is ill. You would've thought he'd
be the one that set the west in flames. And I heard him wreck it with the crystal method,
name of the game. Came back, dropped, begged drop mega death took him to church I like bleach man why you had the stupidest verses dude it's
the truth now everybody giving them guest spots stocks to the roof I heard him fucking with that
stuff it's 10% 20% skill 15% concentrated power and will 5% pleasure 50% pain 100% reason to Let's go everybody.
If you have any questions through the show, drop them into the comments.
I will go through them because I believe there will be a lot of questions benjamin is such a legend and og ape but first let's start a show this is great
for show 434 let's go baby gmgm legends so many incredible people here in the audience i'm also hyped to have ben
jamin here on stage i also see my cavali requesting so i'll bring him up here
maybe guys don't look at charts right now you know i think vibe coding and building in this
space that's incredible opportunity to actually have another income stream. And Benjamin made over 400K in six months by Vibe Coding,
which is incredible.
And I'm here for it to learn more.
How he did it, how can we get better?
How can we use those tools for also content creation?
And it's incredible.
It's really incredible.
And what I love about him that he's been early to NFTs
and now it seems that he's early to vibe coding and he's absolutely been killing it.
So Benjamin, welcome here. Super happy to have you. How are you doing today, man?
GA, man, thank you for the invite. It's a pleasure to be with you as always.
Just want to clarify something for the IRS. If they're listening, it was 40K and not 400K.
I want to clarify something for the IRS if they're listening.
It was $40K and not $400K.
So I wish I could a little 10X that.
But yeah, it's been a nice time.
But we don't want to overestimate that either.
Oh, for IRS, I said $400.
$400, guys.
I made $40.
I made $40 in the past six months.
I'm actually down money because of the LLM costs and token usage.
So I'm actually net negative.
But no, it's great to be here.
Thank you so much.
I'm happy to share my process, my journey, and what I do regularly every day that's both used for business as well as personal.
Because I vibe code my whole life now.
So really excited to talk about that.
Definitely an OG ape.
First time in like five years that I've been using my actual face in my profile picture,
trying something new since I get no engagement anyway.
So let's see how that goes.
But still got my apes, still a proud Yuga community member, probably for life and happy to be a part of it as always and glad to be here.
Absolutely love it, man. We definitely have to get also in your story how you ended up with BAYC.
But before we do that, let me quickly say hi to Machiavelli, Getsbit and Cyber Jake Aped.
If you guys want to join us here on stage, just request I'll bring you here because I believe many people will be excited about this topic.
And a lot of group chats are about vibe coding. Jake Aped about how to create a 3D avatar that I can use for streaming and all other AI tools.
It's incredible how it progressed. But Gizby, how are you doing today? Welcome here. I know
you've also been building like crazy, so excited to have you here.
GM, GM, everyone. Yeah, man. Very excited for this space, man. I'm one of those firm believers that Vibe Coding is the future, right?
I think everyone believes that.
So even for developers, like experienced senior developers, they're all using Vibe Coding as well, at least to speed up their processes and be more efficient.
So very excited to hear all the tips from Ben.
Great to have you here, Ben.
Nice to meet you, man.
I think we've never talked before. But yeah, man, looking forward to all that, all the alpha and how you
made money with it, because I haven't made no money with it. I've just lost by paying the
subscriptions and everything and the credits. But no, but I've created some very, very fun tools
already for our community and Rillas and DeepX, like the indexer we have for twins and stuff like
that. And some other stuff I'm working on, more related to contracts and stuff like that.
Gatsby, you are a real Web3 degen because you love to lose money, right?
So you're paying probably too much for everything.
Machiavelli, how are you doing, Legend?
The other games will be on Saturday.
I cannot wait to join.
It's always great.
We got a special guest this weekend, man.
We got a special guest this weekend, man.
I'm super excited about that.
I wish Honeybee was about to drop that content
Any moment now
I think you guys would be excited
You know there's a lot of great things
Going on in the eco
And so
Sorry guys I'm over here being yelled at
Because apparently I talk too loud
Everywhere I go
Oh did
They said shut up They were like hey you're being too loud everywhere I go Oh
They said shut up
My god, but yeah
You can miss Machiavelli's voice. It's a voice of an angel. It is it is definitely voice of an angel
Yo, man, yeah, I'm excited to hear about what bands really got going on
You know, I want to I too would like to make $40 in the next six months.
I'm excited to see how he can help me out.
100%, man.
Cyber Jake Aped, how are you doing today, man?
Yo, GM, GM.
How's everyone doing?
Thanks for having me up.
Grateful.
It's great to see you again. Great to see you again, too, GM, how's everyone doing? Thanks for having me up. Grateful. It's great to see you again.
Great to see you again, too, man.
And I absolutely love the AI and program that you showed me for VTubing.
That's a game changer.
So let's see how it goes.
Because streaming, guys, that's the alpha.
I know Honeybee has been killing it with other side.
And, you know we we talk clipping and
everything so i believe it's going to be very important for other side to grow so everyone who
streams shout out to you guys and with all those ai tools i believe it's going to be absolutely
crazy because everyone will be able to basically be their own content studio, right? Their own agency. I think also Gary Vee said it in one of the
recent podcasts about AI. So this is a huge opportunity for all of us. And when I saw what
Benjamin is doing, I was like, man, we need to talk about it because it could be beneficial to
all of us here, actually, right? So absolutely love it. Before we get into it, guys, there's
a pinned tweet. I don't know if your eggs and spaces are also messing up with a pinned article
because it's somehow acting weird to me.
But if you swipe to right, you will see the badge.
The code for the badge is Vibe Coding.
Everyone can probably spell it Vibe Coding.
So get a badge.
It's incredible art by Jubrell.
And I will probably remove the article right now because it's really messing up with my screen.
I don't know what it is doing. It's lagging somehow.
But I will pin it after we're going to talk about it.
And let's welcome Honeybee and let's get into what Benjamin has been cooking.
Honeybee, welcome here, legend.
Another other games
incredible
member, I don't know how to code, founder.
The best guy who can
spell the code, yeah.
You want me to spell the code? Is that what you wanted?
What was it? Vibe coding?
Yes.
I-N-G at the end, correct?
Yes.
V as in vagina, I as in inside
How the fuck you spelled V?
B as in boobies, E as in elephant
C as in
Chinese
I can't even spell right now
O as in, oh my god
D as in dongsock
I as in inside again
N as in nobody's sausage G as in Nobody Sausage.
G as in G-Boy.
I think that's it, right?
Vibe coding.
Love it.
Love it.
Guys, claim that badge.
It's incredible art.
And also, please hit that retweet button.
And we have 14 retweets over 35 people here.
So please, please retweet that space so more people see it.
X-Algo is crazy recent days, so this is really helpful.
And yeah, Ben, maybe because as Gatsby mentioned, he never talked to you before.
You're such an OG ape. Could you tell us your short story? How did you end up in this club?
Yeah, sure. And it's a pleasure to meet you. Gatsby. Yeah, so I've been an ape since day one.
I minted the primary ape that I still own. I still have two, but my main one, 721 Johnny Altcoin,
is a day one. So that's a minter. And I would like to be able to hold that forever,
you know, see how life goes. But yeah, I mean, I've always been involved in tech since a young
age, you know, growing up playing video games like Warcraft and Starcraft, just living on the
computer, learning, you know, what like digital communities were like at a very young age in IRC channels
and, you know, just really even under the age of 10, just trying to explore as much
tech as possible.
And so that just led me into an inquisitive and curious mindset growing up.
And I was like the only person in my life who even cared about computers or
technology. And, you know, I didn't really have a lot of people to bounce ideas off of or
communicate with. So I really just always turned to, you know, the internet and I guess,
you know, the original metaverse to find like-minded people who were interested in similar
things that I was. Because, you know, outside of sports, you know, my friends were just not
really interested in tech and things like that. Even to this day, I can't get someone to sign up
for ChatGPT. It's fucking crazy. But that led me to really just always be constantly exploring, looking for new
things and looking for people online to talk with about, right? Like that's just the foundation of
how I've basically done everything. And so I'm not going to go through my whole history because,
you know, people probably don't care too much, But it really started back in the day, over 10 years ago,
where I was creating my first online content,
really getting into it when I discovered daily fantasy sports
like DraftKings and FanDuel.
And putting out content, creating cheat sheets,
sharing those for people for free.
And eventually that turned into people getting
enough value from it that they were asking me to charge. So it wasn't just open to the public.
And I created my first online business around that. So that's really the theme of what my
digital career has been. And Gary Vee says it best when he says, punch, jab, jab, jab, hook, right?
Like you give things away, you give value away, you create content, you build relationships,
and then you just become an authority figure on stuff that you're already interested in.
You know, it doesn't matter what I'm doing for work outside.
If I'm working in a restaurant serving tables or, you know, I'm coaching basketball at
a summer camp, like those are things that get me by, right? Like you survive with the work that you
do. But then everybody has their other lives. You know, some people are gamers, some people are
artists, some people are developers. And for me, I've always had a lot of interests,
diversified and a lot of, you know, hardcore ADHD. So my brain gets pretty scattered.
So, you know, I did this whole DFS thing. I built content, built that into a business,
built that into a community, sold that. Then years later, same thing with NFTs and crypto, built a lot of, put out a lot of
content, built, you know, authority, started consulting for projects, made money from that.
And then that turned into, you know, being around for NBA Top Shot, the explosion there. And there was a rotation really from like, and DFS to Zed Run and Top
Shot into, you know, what we know as like NFT PFPs now. So there was a group of people who
did that kind of rotation. Some of which started with like poker, a lot of people who are into
poker and gambling. I just wasn't.
But we kind of, you know,
all jumped into Clubhouse at the same time,
learned about NFTs at the same time.
And, you know, May of 2021, when Apes came out,
me and a bunch of my friends were just minting
and having fun and just exploring new things.
That turned into a very, you know,
lucrative conclusion there. And now that that's kind of
played out as it has, I would have liked to have remained a lot more focused on, you know,
NFT specifically and stuff like that. But things just didn't pan out that way for me, at least.
for me at least. And my interests have turned into really exploring consumer AI. Because, you know,
AI and machine learning have been around for a long time now, but it's mostly been for tinkerers,
people going to school to learn it, hardcore developers. And now that AI has basically been
put into people's hands in the last, you know, two years or so, I saw a big opportunity to learn, be ahead of the curve, and figure out how to apply and implement this technology into my life.
So that's where we are now, or that's probably where I was a year ago.
probably where I was a year ago. And then I could talk about my AI journey specifically in a bit
more detail, but I wanted to give some history around my mindset, the way I look at things,
and how things have progressed for me. Because I'm not special, I'm just curious. And I'm curious,
I'm interested, I find things I like, I put a lot of time into them. I learn how to do them.
I become an authority figure. I talk about it to everyone that'll listen. Eventually you get
someone who's like, hey, my friend or my uncle or my coworker is really into that thing that
you're interested in. Why don't I connect you guys? And that's really how my life work-wise has developed. And I speak about that
in the article where, you know, I say turning curiosity into clients. And I've done that for
over 10 years. So that's a bit of a background on where I've come from and, you know, be happy to
answer any questions or further elaborate on, of course, the AI journey specifically.
Man, in this space, it's so incredible that basically you don't need to go to school for that, right?
Like you can learn everything online and you can make the change quite quickly, right?
Like we have Honeybee Machiavelli here on stage.
Like, I don't know when they started other games but I think within few
weeks or maybe months they had their own event in HyperX Arena in Las Vegas right it's absolutely
crazy now they've been organizing events every like multiple times a week right so if you really
want to do something and and change something in your life it's possible if you put your energy
and time and and you know, you find the
right people. So I absolutely love the journey. And I also like about you, Ben, that, you know,
with NFTs and the whole market going down, like you didn't give up, right? You try to find a way
how to keep going. And I think that's so important because it's important to have revenue stream guys for everything you're doing
uh you need to you need to be making money uh because with making money you can make even
better things right and you don't need to stress about like what you're gonna eat if i if i you
know and um you can buy better tools you can you can build bigger things and that's important for
all of us here right and i think vibe coding and ai can be can be the And that's important for all of us here, right?
And I think Vibe Coding and AI can be the thing that can help us so much.
At least save money on the team members that, you know,
we're doing like creative stuff like, you know, like art, some art and stuff.
For some things, you cannot like outsource AI, you know, because we have incredible artists like Jubril, etc.
But it really can save so much money
and you can make things so much quicker.
That's incredible.
So yeah, big shout to everyone here
because I know Makavelli Honeybee, Gatsby, Cyber Jake Ape,
you guys all been building in this space and it's awesome.
So let's fucking go.
If you have any questions for Ben, just raise your hand, go ahead.
And also, guys, if you are not here on stage, ask them in the comments.
And of course, my follow-up question for you, Ben, is like, what pulled you into AI?
Like, how did you see that it's the next big thing?
Great question.
Like many others, my aha moment came with ChatGPT.
And just realizing that I can speak with someone or with this entity and not have to rely on Google search. That to me was
the first unlock in my head. I was like, all right, Google's one of the biggest companies
in the entire planet and I don't even have to use them anymore. Like that to me was the first unlock.
I was like, all right, like I'm going to spend my time asking this thing questions instead of searching up an article, going to read it, searching up another one, you know, trying to decipher what's going on between the different authors and all this different kind of stuff. So for me, it was about exploration and, you know, seeing what it
could do, what kind of questions it can answer and how it can improve the quality of my interest
gathering, right? Like, cause I'm just always looking for things that I'm interested in and
seeing how I can apply them to my life. And so I was using chat QBT to, you know, ask questions about things as if, you know,
you would do in your head when you're going to a Google search and you're like, all right,
what's the topic I want to know about? Or what's in, you know, something in the news that I want
to get more information about. You go to Google, you search it in, you get a bunch of different
articles. You have to figure out which one you actually want to prioritize. And that to me was just such a waste of time. And so not having
to do that saved a lot of time for me. And, you know, as everybody knows, time is money. It's your,
it's your most valuable resource that you have. It, you know, it only gets lower over time.
So that was a big unlock for me. And I was like, all right, well, what else can I do
with this that can save me time and that could do things for me that I wouldn't normally have
been able to do? And so just over time, using it more and more, figuring out different use cases.
Like for example, one of the things that excited my wife and I so much is that we were struggling with making food, like meal prep and dinners.
Because, you know, when you want to cook for yourself and you're doing breakfast, lunch, and dinner, it gets really repetitive for picky people.
And we're pretty picky when it comes to food. So we had to like
figure out how can we make different types of dishes based on the few ingredients that we like
to eat. And so I was asking chat CBT saying like, here's all the things in my fridge. Here's all the
things in my pantry. And here's all the different seasonings that I have, like going one by one.
This was before like the image recognition. So I would do that. And then it would spit out like, oh, here's this, you know,
chicken dish you can have. And then here's how you can make chicken fingers. And here's one type
of steak. Here's a, you know, five types of pasta, like all with a small amount of ingredients.
So like just discovering these things over time of different ways to use
it was just, I feel like building additional neural pathways in my mind and opening up my
creativity of what is possible. And so one of the themes that I want to instill in people here is that keeping your mind as open as possible and continually asking the question, what can I do?
How can I push the boundaries if this works?
Not what if this doesn't work, but always having the mentality of like, well, what if this works?
How cool would that be if this thing worked out the way I want it to? Or how cool would it be if I came up with this goal and I actually met it?
Like, yeah, of course you can go negative with it, but like, what is possible and what would happen
if I can achieve that? So that's what I like to think about a lot. And using AI and discovering
all these different consumer processes, like how you can
create an app for the recipe stuff that I was talking about, how you can, you know, increase
the productivity in your life by telling it what your schedule is, what you plan to do, and, you
know, what you would like to fit in, in, you know, where there's openings. And just like little things like that over time that for me started changing my life and then started having me think about, well, what if this was an app I can make for myself?
What if this was a tool that I can make for my friend?
And I just started doing things like that with ChatGPT and asking it for code, taking that code, going into cursor, pasting the code, talking was hard, and projects took months compared to days or hours
now. So it's just this progression of trying to break things, figure out what's possible,
and reach limits where if I was able to get to that point, how cool would that be? So that's basically the progression that I find myself on.
Yeah, I believe at the beginning, right, it has to be really frustrating
because maybe you don't know what you're doing, right?
Stuff doesn't work as you wish.
Did you have any experience before that?
Any coding experience?
Or you started from scratch?
Well, like I said, I've always been interested in tech. So I built websites 10 plus years ago using WordPress.
But I didn't know how to code.
I just knew that coding was about logic. And I'm a very logical and
analytical person. So even if I didn't know every line or how to write it, I can understand
what functions are, what logic is, and what variables are are and just the core foundation of programming.
And so I was able to just put things together with like low code and no code tools.
And then eventually I was like, well, this is great, but I want to have more of a foundation. So I went to, I went back to school to get a bachelor's in web development
so that I can continue doing what I was doing, but not just piecemealing
everything together, but actually really understanding it.
And funny enough, I never actually went into practice with that.
I ended up, when I graduated from there, I had been running my own 3D printing college
club.
And so that actually opened a door for me.
I was really interested in 3D printing at the time.
It opened a door for me that landed me a job at a military manufacturing facility.
So I ended up doing that instead of going into programming. And I became a program manager, which I've actually converted or progressed into the role that I have now at my company as a technical program manager.
So I learned foundations of things and I'm really interested in just being more knowledgeable
and educated on topics that I'm interested in and then just figuring out a way to monetize
basically.
And so while I have a foundation of understanding how code works, I don't ever code myself.
So the vibe coding was a very natural thing for me because I understand what to ask for,
even if I don't know how to create it.
And I think that's what people really need to focus on with AI is not knowing how to code,
but understanding how to prompt, knowing how to ask questions.
Because if you go in and you say something like, build me a website, it can do it, but
it's not going to come out anywhere close to what you want.
But if you're like, build me a blog website that updates automatically and has an RSS feed
that I can use an agent to tap into to then send that out as a newsletter every day for myself,
right? Like just adding a few different qualifiers because you know what to ask for
turns that from a basic blog site into a robust automation that scales itself in just another sentence or
two. So it's about learning how things work, not necessarily having to do it yourself.
Like I know how to drive a car with the gas and the brake, but I have no idea how the engine works.
So that's the mentality that I try to install in people.
Yeah, that's a great point, man.
And I know, Getzbe, you also have been vibe coding for a while, right?
Anyone here on stage actually is using these tools daily?
I am, yeah, man.
I know, and I love the sharing of Ben,
of his entire journey,
because I resonate a lot with it as well,
because I'm not a coder for one,
but I love technology.
I fell in love with Bitcoin
and I started my career
in consulting teams of blockchain
and I worked closely with the dev teams.
So what he's saying is perfect.
It's like,
I learned how to talk to technical people, like building, for example, the first steps of Albarra
and Loki Labs. There was no vibe coding back then two years ago. And we had to do it all,
obviously, with a development team, right? So you got to understand how to speak to the
development team and how to actually ask and be specific on the things you want the app to do.
And, you know, having a good PRD document, which now is super normalized.
And everyone knows you need a PRD to feed to the actual AI, right?
But yeah, it just resonates a lot, right?
Because it's kind of that eager to now being able to express yourself
with that basic human knowledge and language,
but at the same time, knowing exactly
how to prompt and how to ask and combining different AIs to assist you with that as well.
Right. So I'm curious, for example, I wanted to ask Ben if he's using any AI tools more than some,
maybe which one he's using, for example, for optimization before the development begins.
And if he's combining maybe like I'm, for example, using cloud and I'm using cursor.
So cursor I use more for like basic code editing and cloud I'm using for like the big chunk.
But yeah, I would love to know how you're doing that process when you're starting off
something from scratch.
Yeah, sure.
And thanks for the kind words and and you you nailed it right like it's about
having just being able to communicate with people who are different than you
right like you probably had to figure out how to communicate to artists and speak their language
right like the the people's minds work very differently to, to, even to the point where the hemispheres of our
brains are stronger in other people than, you know, than someone sitting right across from you.
You know, I'm a very analytical person. I'm not great with art. Someone who is great with art
may not be very analytical. So, you know, you put that together and you really start to be able to
form teams. And that's, that's when you find the best teams is when people complement each other's strengths and weaknesses.
So I've always wanted to be at the intersection of business and tech and sit in the middle and be able to explain the tech to business people and explain the business side to tech people.
And that's really what I ended up with as a technical program manager. So just throwing that out there. But the AI stack, I'm exploring
with everything you could think of for the most part that I have time and or resources to. But
my main tech stack, like if I'm going to create something that I have an idea from, it can be
any number of ways, but I'll explain a few different paths that I might pursue. So typically,
I'll use something like a chat GPT or more recently, Claude, and start brainstorming an idea.
An idea that I had recently, let's see what I was working on yesterday.
Um, okay.
A good example is I'm, I'm building a site about what's your, what's your AI stack, what's
your AI loadout, right?
So like very relevant for what we're talking about.
And I want to, I want people to like input what they specifically use so we can not just
see the benchmarks, but see what the actual usage is
and what people prefer, right? Because most people aren't switching back and forth a lot. They just
find something, kind of stick with it. And if something else comes out really good, then they'll
take a look. But so I'll typically look at like a chat GBT or a Claude or something to do my
brainstorming. And then depending on how far I get with that, we'll go with what my next
steps are. So if I have a vision in mind of what I think it would, I'd want it to look like,
then I might go to something like a V zero, um, or a Google studio, AI, Google studio. Like those,
those are my two go-tos right now to just put together a quick front end and
just see if my vision will come to life. If that's already good, then I'll take that and I will
upload it to GitHub and then use Claude Code to pull or clone that repository, the, the, the project, the code base.
And then I'll just start going from there and I'll drop in, like, like you said, a PRD,
a product requirements document or a product brief or a master plan or a master vision or
whatever you want to call it. Obviously calling it different things will get you different results.
But basically telling Claude, here's what my app is, here's what I want it to look like,
and here's what I want it to accomplish.
And you can put as much or as little information there as you want, but typically you'd have
have a decent amount after fleshing out your ideas. And so, you know, I'll have this multi-tool
a decent amount after fleshing out your ideas.
process that I'm planning, I'm visualizing, and then I'm creating. And there's a few different
tools along the way that I might use. Like, for example, I like using AI Google Studio to create
a quick front end because they're really good with design and they are powered by Gemini.
But if I just want to visualize, like just take like make a quick image or get a design feel, I might just go straight to Gemini, use Gemini, you know, Nano Banana and just prompt it real quick, you know, maybe ask ChatGPT for a prompt to give to Gemini about like, all right, describe what our product is, figure out what a prompt could be to create an image for it.
And then I send that to Gemini because like I don't I think Gemini is just, you know, leaps and bounds above ChatGPT for image creation.
So I'll use this like rough workflow depending on what the idea is and how far along
I get it. So that's like my typical workflow. And then another one that I just started doing
recently, this is like my speed route, I guess, is if I come up with an idea, and it's pretty fleshed out in my head of what I want,
then I'll just go to GitHub, create a repository, just name it something, and then just go straight
to Claude Code on my mobile phone on my phone, because like, I might be like, like lying in bed,
you know, feeding my baby or something like that, and just like sitting around. And so I'll just like,
my baby or something like that and just like sitting around. And so I'll just like pull that
right in to Claude Code from GitHub without having ever done anything to it besides creating a
repository. And then I just start going with it. Claude Code, all right, here's what I want.
Build this out. Here's the idea. When you're done, you know, give me a prompt to go create some designs to give you inspiration, something like
that. And then I basically have this idea fleshed out from Cloud Code, give it some ideas of what
the tech stack I want to use typically would be like React, JavaScript, Next, Tailwind, CSS,
um tailwind css and um use like clerk for authentication super base for um database
storage and stripe for for payments and i just here's my tech stack here's my idea here's a quick
visual description go ahead and then post that and then go to Versal, which is where I do almost all of my hosting because you just you can host it for free.
You get it up quick. It connects to GitHub. And then I just I just connect the GitHub repo to Versal.
It creates a hosting for me. It has a domain for me.
I click on the domain and my site is live within minutes.
So that's my like speed to site, I guess, process.
And I have a few of these along the way, but I would say those are probably my two main routes for when I want to build something.
Go ahead, Gizbi.
Go ahead, Gizby.
I love what you were sharing because there's also this concept that you're definitely more than familiar with, right?
But I felt that mid-conversation burnout if you're only using one app.
So what you're saying of spreading out the planning to confection to development makes all the sense in the world.
And I'm wondering if that idea that you had yesterday, right,
could come up, you know, like Cursor took Visual Studio Code
and they literally copy-pasted Visual Studio Code
and added ChatGPT to the side, just adapted
so it would work on your code within the repository
and within your code base and all that.
I'm wondering if that tool you're making
where you're kind of analyzing the stacks
that everyone is using.
So for example, right, in my case,
whatever, Cursor, Cloud, ChatGPT, and Gemini,
maybe there's like a way for coming up
with a new app that way, you know,
where you can put all of those into one same stack, right?
So right now we're all using all these different ones,
but maybe there's room for
one that can do the planning, can do the confectioning, can do the, you know, it kind of
integrates all the different engines, right? So maybe it's Gemini, maybe it's Cloud, maybe it's
Natasha BD5, whatever it may be. But I'm curious, right? Because now that you're doing that like
central dashboard of information and data of knowing what everyone is doing, which, by the way, if it's live, I'm going to check out your profile, see if there's a link so I can also contribute and share my stack there and stuff.
But I think that's like room, right, to actually create something where you could join up all the things we're all doing with the different AIs into one.
I don't know. It's just a crazy idea that came up where we were talking.
But definitely a very interesting process. Thanks for sharing. into one uh i don't know it's just a crazy idea that came up where you're talking but definitely
a very interesting process thanks for sharing yeah of course and i'll just follow up real quick
on that um and then and then ga maybe if you want to get into the the specific topic about like
you know how i was able to to turn it into clients and stuff um because i don't have i don't have all too long here.
But yeah, I would just say if you're interested in doing that, I actually just did that with Claudebot and I created my own Claudebot.
I call her Cortana, like from Halo.
And what I did is I told her to create an intelligent router to use different tools
depending on what kind of task it is because certain things are better at certain tasks and also costs. So, you know, like I might use Gemini Flash,
2.5 Flash for something fast. I might use Kimi or, you know, GPT for something a little bit more
complicated and then Opus for something where I need it done perfect and it's really complex.
So you can build out multi-agent routers like that,
and I would definitely recommend exploring things like that.
Honeybee, I saw your hand.
Do you have any questions?
No, I was going to say,
you were talking about when Gatsby mentioned that,
Ben just said the same thing about the CloudBot.
Because CloudBot is kind of OP.
And I would recommend if you guys haven't gone into that Discord, because there's like a giant fucking community of these people with automations and like skills and like how to attach different, what's it called, like MCPs, APIs and shit.
To kind of like make a giant, you know, monster of a machine that you can kind of, kind of just talk to. Like I lay in bed, brother. And I'm like, yo, Claba, I need you working on like 10 different projects at the same
time, delegated to this fucking agent. And I'm like, okay, Claba, now I need you to do 10 other
things. Go over here. And then I'm like, by the time I wake up at 8am, you better have a fucking
brief for me, you know, blah, blah, blah, what you did. Give me, and you know, audit this shit in
the morning. But like, I go crazy detailed. And then I wake up in the morning and it's like here's like 30 different things i did for you i'm like
did you say that you uh you call machiavelli or are you talking to to ai actually
i i i started prank calling my friends because you can attach 11 labs to it and it does voices
right so you can attach 11 labs and call people if you give
it like access to a number and i started prank calling a couple of my friends just to try it
and i was like hey you little bitch and it was oh my god and i was like all right this works
i want you to i want you to ask what are the best use cases of ai guys and you are prank calling
your friends hey like you gotta try some shit
out bro because next time i could call i could start doing sales that way right like i think
about sales that's like i come from that background like as well like in in my early 20 21 fucking
days i was doing dev work so it's kind of like ben like it's funny because ben was talking about
the gaming and all that shit i'm like i'm like, yes. Like, he gets it. I think it's really interesting
getting clients like that.
And that's a segue to
that Ben actually mentioned that, right?
Like, how did you
monetize that skill, Ben?
How did you get your
clients? And after
that journey,
if you have any tips for people that would
love to monetize or make money, where do you see the biggest opportunities right now?
Yeah, man, it all comes down to the same themes for me that I've just repeated throughout my life.
And I think it's really worth noting that you don't have to be special.
You don't have to be privileged.
You don't have to be hyper-educated.
You just have to be interested.
And so I've always turned what I call turning curiosity into clients.
And the way that I do that is like I did with DFS and like I did with NFTs is I just start doing, start exploring,
start talking about it. And then eventually you just connect with other people who also are
interested in that. Even if the people in your closest circle aren't, you know, you have six
degrees of separation to almost everyone in the world and everybody who knows somebody who's interested in something that you like. So that same journey started for me with AI and, you know,
telling people about ChatGPT and then talking about how I'm, you know, I'm trying to save myself
money on buying children's books because they're so expensive these days and, you know, they're
like six pages and then you're done and then you have to get the next one.
And so I was like, all right, well, let me see if I can do this with AI.
And I started doing that and I started making bedtime stories.
And then I turned that into an app where I can generate bedtime stories.
And then I started personalizing it so you could talk about who the people are,
what, what the environments are, all these different
things. And then I started just saying them to my kid every night and not having to buy all the
books. And so I'm just doing things like that, telling my friends about it. And then just
eventually over time, I'm starting to become known as the guy who uses AI. And when you start to do that, you start to build a reputation or a personal
brand through talking about it, which could be recorded content, written content, whatever it is,
or just in your group chats discussing things, you start to become the source to go to.
So I started experimenting with like automations like
N8N and make because I wanted to, again, see how I can save myself time and build productive
workflows. And I was telling my friends about it that, you know, hey, not only can I build this
automation, but I could also throw up a quick front end on it so that you can, for instance, create a plumbing lead generation
site where you just have people who you get good at SEO, you have people go to your site,
say that they need help with plumbing, you generate a quote, send that as a lead to an
actual plumber, and you have a lead business where you can, you know, charge 10 to $15 a lead or something like that. And so I was just telling them about these ideas
that I was having. And one of my friends was like, Hey, I actually was thinking about buying an HVAC
company with some friends. And, you know, I was thinking about the idea you told me about with
the plumbing. And I wanted to see if that was something that, you know, you could show me how
to do. So just, you know, one of my friends just interested in what I'm talking about and I
showed him we had a couple of sessions and then um after like the second or third one he says hey
you know I was talking to some of my other friends and um one of them is a VC who was actually looking
for you know automations at his company.
Would you like to connect with him?
And I said, yeah, of course.
So got on a call with him.
He was telling me some of, you know, the workflows that they have in their business.
And, you know, what things took him the longest to do.
So we identified some of these pain points, narrowed it down.
And I said, hey, like like I can build you an automation.
And one of the examples was they get a lot of pitch decks that they have to read.
It takes forever.
They want to filter 100 down to five.
And so it's just taking a lot of time, a lot of energy.
So I was like, all right, well, why don't we just do it? So whenever you get an email, we have these pitch decks that are analyzed, parsed, summarized, put into a CRM,
and then emailed the summary and everything to you and your team. So you could just quickly look and
see what this investment deck is about, who's the company, what they're looking for, blah, blah,
deck is about, who's the company, what they're looking for, blah, blah, blah. So we went through
this process. I charged them $2,500 and gave them a discount for being my first client. And then
I figured out, all right, well, you say it takes you 10 hours a week to do this. You're $50 an hour. So that's $2,000 a month. Why don't I just charge you $2,000,
do it for a month, and now you have this perpetual automation for the rest of the year.
So as long as it works, it's a no-brainer, right? If you're like, hey, it's going to cost you $2,000,
but that's going to make itself back the money within a month.
And then everything from there is profit.
So I did that.
It went really well.
They liked the experience.
They recommended me to another one of the VCs in their circle.
And then we did the same process.
Just started talking about what's in their business, what they do manually, how I think they can automate it.
And then we come up with a plan.
I figure out how much time it's going to save them, how much money it's going to save them.
And then also thinking about not just what time you're saving, but now what else can
you do with that time that you're getting back?
You want to have more high leverage functions like getting on actual calls instead of reading
pitch decks, right?
So you're not just giving yourself back time, but now you can do more of the things that
actually make your business successful.
And so taking away these friction pain points, figuring out how much money it's going to
save them, and then telling them like,
hey, listen, this is going to cost you $5,000 a month, but the value that it's getting you
is $15,000 a month. So it's an absolute no-brainer for you to want to take it.
And this isn't fluff. This isn't exaggeration. This is just really just figuring out how much time it takes them, what their time is
worth hourly, and how long it's going to take you to build it.
And so that's the process that I follow with them.
And so my first client was a $2,000 single build.
And my second client turned into a $6,500 per month retainer that I've been doing
for the last six months and is still ongoing. So just being curious about how this stuff works,
exploring it on my own to figure out how it fits into my life, explaining to others how I think it
can benefit their lives, both personally and professionally. And then just talking about it to whoever will listen, keep building on it, and eventually
doors open.
And, you know, I'm not a VC, but I know people who are VCs now, and I get warm leads because
they're like, hey, listen, you've been doing this VC stuff, so you're getting familiar
with our industry.
I know more VCs who need this kind of work. I'm
going to connect you to them. And so you just build this funnel of warm leads so that I never
have to go out cold calling or cold emailing. Even though I'm set up to be able to do so,
I don't have to in this moment because of the process that I followed.
I don't have to in this moment because of the process that I followed.
This is an incredible journey, man.
I absolutely love to hear this.
It's awesome.
I know we are hitting top of the hour, so Gensby, go ahead with your question,
and then I have one or two more.
Yeah, no, this is actually probably you've already kind of responded over
because I was going to ask, like, what's the typical type of client you have, right?
Is it more like a consulting selling?
So you're actually selling the SaaS to these, I guess you answered it, right?
You're selling SaaS to these VCs for automation of their processes and internal stuff.
And that was kind of the question. If you were just doing that to earn what you've earned like in the last six months, or have you also explored subscription-based applications and stuff like that where you've seen other sorts of clients, right, to drive the revenue up?
Or if it's being purely consulting through this amazing journey, which I find super interesting.
You know, you kicked it off with a friend that was a VC and now that's opened the door to a whole niche.
And I think everyone has someone in their, you know, close circle,
they can do something like this for in any industry. So yeah, that's kind of the question,
right? If it's primarily for now, it's been mostly consulting and within that VC client,
you know, niche that you've been in or anything else. Yeah, great, great questions. So all of the
revenue that I've made has been from specifically automations. So the first one
I made was with make.com. And again, this is something that these people could do. They're
smart enough. They're capable enough. They could watch the tutorials. They can figure it out,
but they don't have the time. So I did. I figured it out. I told them what's possible. I told them
I could do it. I showed them how I could do it. I gave them examples of things I built for myself
for social proof and credibility, right? Like not just saying, hey, I could do it. And then
trying to figure out if I even know how, but showcasing that I do. And so as I was building side projects along the way, like I said,
like bedtime story generator, or what's your AI stack or video repurposing, just like things that
I want in my life. And I learn about them, I start understanding how to build like front ends and
back ends. So what I did is the second client, I've been building in N8N. It's a more powerful automation system.
It's a lot more customizable.
So I built out the whole automation for them.
And then at the end of it, it was working properly.
But you would have to have them put a file in a specific folder.
It was a pain in the ass to get permissions to.
So I just built, you know,
at the end of it, having Cloud Code and Opus and all these tools that have just been getting better
and better and better, you know, my progress became exponential. I started being able to
build things a lot faster. And then when I finished with the automation itself,
I vibe coded a front end, a dashboard and a back end to it and said, all right, well,
instead of having to have files and folders, why don't you just log into this, this SaaS that I made this app, everyone's going to have their own accounts and their own storage, you go on there, you upload the files, it analyzes it for you does everything that it needs to do. And then you just download it right from there. Don't need to access your folders, there's no privacy issues, none of that.
don't need to access your folders. There's no privacy issues, none of that.
So it was, again, me being curious and building apps on the side for myself and understanding
capabilities and what's possible that allowed me to then add value onto my deliverables that
they didn't even ask for, right? Like they didn't even know this was coming. I was just like, hey,
I finished the other thing and I could throw this up for you.
So let me bang it out.
And when I was giving my handoff and my deliverable for the first thing, they were just shocked. They were just very surprised that like I would take the extra time to give them this
value that they didn't expect.
And so it's just, again, this same journey of doing things for myself, experimenting,
Again, this same journey of doing things for myself, experimenting, getting knowledgeable about things, becoming an authority on it, and then using it.
The second part of your question is I've built a whole bunch of SaaS apps, B2B, B2C, all kinds of things.
I haven't really launched any of them.
I plan to, but I've just been doing it as my own journey.
I've been very busy and not able to focus on them in the way that I want to last year, but I will be doing this year.
So all that to say, if you go to buildsbyben.com, which is in my profile, you can see a bunch of the different things that I'm building. The portfolio site itself is pretty badass. And it's just another theme of do shit, learn shit, break shit, sell shit. And then you just really
continue that process. And so to end it off, be curious, talk about it out loud,
it off. Be curious. Talk about it out loud. Tell people you can do things. Show them how you can do
it. Tell everybody you know, if you know somebody who's interested in this thing that I'm doing,
I'm great at crocheting now. I use a cricket to make t-shirts. I like to take a picture of myself
and change it up.
Whatever you like to do as a hobby, if you tell people this is what you do
and if anyone's interested in it, you'll just have doors open up, I swear.
So just keep that mental model.
I actually love that last bit of advice.
You know what I'm saying?
I've personally been vibe coding for 40 plus years,
but analog, analog, not digital, you know,
you guys are way ahead of the game on me.
Dude's vibe coding his life.
Ben, if someone want to start from scratch,
like, is there some place or some database or some great resource how to start
or you usually start asking ChatGPT
or some other tool how to start
or maybe I know you also have YouTube channel right
so maybe is it your YouTube channel
or how to start if I basically have zero experience
yeah I wish I had more content to be able to promote I basically have zero experience?
Yeah, I wish I had more content to be able to promote, but I would say go to ChatGBT because you can use it free.
You don't need the paid plan.
I'm spending hundreds of dollars a month on all these different plans and stuff like that.
So go to ChatGBT, and it depends on what you're trying to get out of it.
If you're trying to actually build things like I'm talking about, you ask questions
about what, you know, what tools should I use?
My favorite phrase in this stuff is like, what's the best bang for my buck?
Because there's, you know, there's models that are maybe 80, 90% of the capability of
the top ones, but, you know, at a discount of 50% or 60% or something.
So, you know, you want to try and figure out what you want out of this.
Prompt ChatGPT and have it ask you questions.
If you ever want to do a follow-up, we can talk about, like like prompting because there's a lot of different nuances and prompting. And I'll just give like two quick examples here before I'm going to have to head out soon. But one would be, okay, ask me questions that when I answer, you can develop a plan to give me advice, guidance and recommendations for. right? So like this little interactive quiz. And then you can do something like learn from my answers, treat myself as the user and simulate a
conversation back and forth. And so you could see basically like yourself or an ideal customer
profile or, or a friend or a mentor or, or, a mentor or a girlfriend or whatever.
And you can literally simulate conversations to see how it would play out.
And so what I would say is you can ask, all right, act like a mentor who's speaking with
someone that they're giving life advice on.
Ask me questions.
At the end, give me guidance on
what tools I should be using, how I should approach this, what are my favorite interests,
and how I can apply that. You take this approach and over time, at least with ChatGPT, it learns
more about you. Then it'll start saying, oh, you're a dad, you're interested in tech, you like to make content.
So why don't you do X, Y, and Z?
So that's how I would say get started.
Yeah, man, being curious, keep learning, keep doing stuff.
That's probably the best way.
I know you have to dip, I saw Crypto Bullies.
So Crypto Bullies, if you have a question, go ahead.
And we got to keep talking about VipeCoding
because I know a lot of you have experience with that.
No, absolutely.
It's just, you know, I wanted to just kind of commend him
on what he was saying.
I think a lot of this technology is stuff that's like,
you know, it's evolving, right?
You know, my company personally,
we used to use a lot of manual efforts
to do things like just like reconciliation and so on for buy side and sell side related metrics.
And again, I own and operate a digital publishing company for context.
A lot of it is like content creation, campaign creation, campaign automation, bid automation, all this other stuff.
automation, all this other stuff, right? And we went from doing things manually to kind
of semi-automating things, utilizing things like Adverity and Zapier, and then moving
to things like make scenarios where you can, you know, create blueprints and so on. And
the idea is like, much like you were just saying, and just like N8N was like the, I
think N8N was the next step from Make, but moving from like automated workflows to using AI in like a node structure where you're basically saying, hey, I'm going to take this spreadsheet, parse this spreadsheet.
And then this, for every row in this spreadsheet that meets the criteria, I'm going to make a call to this endpoint.
And all I got to do is connect the key because these platforms like Make, they have pre-built endpoints. And if you think about like as a company, you don't want to build and maintain
these things as they evolve, as APIs change and all that. So the benefit of using like
Make and N8N and so on is that like they're giving you plug and play nodes that you can create a
whole tree. They call it scenarios. And within that blueprint, you can say, okay, now that I'm
going to make a call to this, I'm going to get a response. And then I'm going to take that and
send it here. And then I'll get another response. I'm going to take that and send it here and do
another response. So then think about how you can apply that to anything you do, right? For me,
I've automated entire content pipelines where I don't have an editorial team anymore.
I went from an editorial floor of 30 people back in 2015 to having literally like devs managing automated pipelines where AI is generating all our fucking content, right?
And then even ads now.
So, you know, creating video ads, creating banner ads for our media campaigns, we now tie into things like Creatify, Templated.io, and they have API endpoints where, again, I can very well create a whole make scenario, an end scenario that makes a call to this endpoint and chat GPT and creates an image and, you know,
comes up with headlines and color schemes, or I can just feed it into an editing pipeline or make
scenario where, you know, everything's automated. So literally have videos and ads that are run on
my campaigns that are created by these automated workflows. So when you think about what could
you do, these are like, I'm just showing you what we did to like automate things that are redundant. And we were paying people to do way slower, by the
way, you get way better, quicker outputs, and just more volume of these outputs that you can use in
a real world environment. And so that's how like my business, for example, has transformed using
these type of workflows. And I wanted to share that because obviously you're referring to like from a social aspect, but where you mentioned B2B and so
on, like the idea is like a lot of people don't know that these opportunities exist or that these
tools exist to help automate a lot of what you do from a day to day, whether it's creating posts,
whether it's clipping long form videos to short form clips and then posting
those automatically. There's so much you can automate. Some people will receive phone calls
and they have a receptionist that has to then log information to a system, whether it's booking,
whatever the case may be, you can literally automate all of that. And then you can create
these blueprints and scenarios and resell it to people who don't know that they can do that. And then you can create these blueprints and scenarios and resell it to people
who don't know that they can do that. You can become proficient in these tools, build end-to-end
workflows and blueprints, and then resell it over and over again to people who will benefit from
using that. And that's a business model in and of itself. So a shout out to you ben you know i followed you uh probably a couple weeks
ago and i was happy to hear you up here uh uh with grateful because this i love this platform i love
grateful space and it always presents an opportunity for people to come up here not just engage web 3
but just learn you got you like ai is evolving you were talking about claude bot bro like
i literally like took one blew the dust off of a fucking paperweight MacBook
and reset everything just so I can install Claudebot there and feel secure with my crypto
assets and so on because they had all my wallets and everything. I was like, hell no, I'm not
going to connect there. But I can't wait to dive deep into there because again, a lot of what I
automate is for my business, but I'm very much in tune with this stuff for like myself too you know and uh can't wait to dive into club but
honeybee thanks for calling out the discord because I just joined that as well and they
have like this notebook thing now where you're fucking your bots can talk to other bots and like
this bro it's I feel like it's gonna get dangerous fast, but I can't wait to dive into it.
You know what I'm saying?
So shout out to you, brother.
Maybe Ben, how can people support you?
Like, how can people help you?
People from here, from Web3, that's my favorite question.
As CryptoBullies mentioned, right?
Like, this is a great platform.
We've seen so many success stories,
how people, you know, get to know each other, connect it.
So is there anything?
Yeah, man.
Well, first of all, Bullies, awesome story, man.
I really agree with what you're saying.
I got started with the automations using make.com,
moved to N8N because I needed a little bit more customization.
But make.com is a great way to start.
In my article, I actually show the two automations that I made for my clients.
You could see the entire workflow, actually.
workflow, actually. I took screenshots of it. You can go check it out. And so GA, in terms of
I took screenshots of it.
You can go check it out.
how people can help me, I really think it's just engage with my content. The algorithm's tough
these days. Keep an eye out for projects that I'll be putting out because I have a lot of
cool things that I'm putting out, some apps, some things that'll be free, some things that'll be paid,
some things that'll be open source given away, whatever it is. I just have a lot of ideas and
the capabilities to do it now. So just being supported in general is how people can support
me. So I appreciate all of that. I have 80,000 followers, but probably only 2,500 of them are even still active after 2021.
So could definitely use any help with the engagement.
And just connecting.
Anybody can feel free to DM me.
I'm a lot more responsive now than I used to be when I was getting hundreds of messages a day.
than I used to be when I was getting hundreds of messages a day. So life is just easier on here now
in terms of being able to network and really build relationships. So just supporting me as
a person who's trying to make content and build a brand, supporting me as a builder who's trying
to make cool shit to help gain freedom for myself and my
family, just all the above. And, you know, I'll continue helping out the communities, teaching,
building, and, and enjoying, you know, this whole new, this whole new era of life and the way things
are changing. So I appreciate you even asking the question and I can actually stick around a little bit longer. If people have more questions, I'd be happy to.
I'm just going to be going on my computer and throwing up some work stuff now.
So definitely going to be here so I could stick around longer than I planned to.
So I want to try and give a little bit more value if anybody's looking for it.
I want to try and give a little bit more value
if anybody's looking for it.
I 100% have a question,
and that's because you've been vibe coding
for quite a while,
and you see what worked for you
and what didn't work.
Is there something that you can't imagine
that you can't imagine living without?
Something that really helped you make your life easier?
I know you mentioned like using ChatGPT
or building your own app for night stories
and something like that.
But is there something that really made your life
so much easier that you can imagine living without it?
Or maybe some app that you vibe coded for yourself?
Yeah, I mean, that answer used to be ChatGBT.
It wasn't necessarily like can't live without,
but it makes my life so much better
that it would be hard to see what,
it would be hard to remember like what life was like before it.
But if I had to say there's one thing
that has been the biggest
game changer for me, it would definitely be Claude Code. And the issue with Claude Code
is that the $20 per month plan, if you're trying to build things seriously, even one thing,
you hit limits pretty fast. And that's on purpose. They give great deals on this for the amount of
use you're getting, even for $20 is great. But I was hitting limits very quickly and I had to
keep upgrading. And I'm using this professionally, so it's worth it. But that $20 per month turned
into $100 per month, starting hitting rate limits, that turned into the $200 per month plan.
a month, starting hitting rate limits, that turned into the $200 per month plan. So while not
everybody could afford that, and I totally understand, right? Like that's not cheap. That's
a car payment. But it allowed me to be able to service my clients in a way that if I didn't have
it, I wouldn't be able to make that retainer money. So it's one of those cases like spend money to
make money. But I would suggest you start small, learn it. And then as you hit limits, which you
will, the more frustrated you get, the more you're going to want to upgrade. So if there's anything
in my life that I would say that is I can't live without now, besides my wife and my kids, it would really be Claude Code because professionally, it allows me to get everything done that I need to get done in a lot of different ways.
And I can explain some of those if you want use cases.
But people think that Claude Code is just for code because it has the name code in it, right?
But that's not the case at all.
It's what it does is code, but the outputs are not, right?
Like, yeah, you can build websites.
You can do all that.
You can have it do that stuff.
But, like, code can reorganize your desk, your desktop code can optimize the storage
on your computer. Um, code can unstuck a printer that is jammed and you can't figure out why it's
not printing something for you. Code can build, um, personalized videos for your kid to show Santa saying hi during Christmas, right? Like this
isn't just about what can I build, but what can it do? And I think the name Claude Code, while
you know, a product market fit for sure, boxes it in to feel a lot more developer first than it actually is because it's really built
to just talk to it. Like I don't ever have to look at the code. You can use the command line.
And while I was personally intimidated by it when I started, now it's nothing. It's just a
chat interface. That's what it is but when
you tell someone hey use the command line and putting commands and stuff like that it sounds
intimidating but the only command you need to know is claude everything else is just english
man i'm i'm feeling so that i'm so behind it It's crazy. It's like people coming to NFTs in late 2021 and they're like, holy shit, we missed everything. You know, I don't even start buying NFTs. But man, I believe we're still early or I hope so. And I definitely have to dig deeper and start doing more because this feeling is crazy. I'm feeling like, oh my God, I'm like in a stone age right now.
because this feeling is crazy.
I'm feeling like, oh my God, I'm like in a stone age right now.
Do you have any favorite automations for you
as a builder and creator?
Because you also create content.
Anything that could inspire others?
Yeah, so I'm putting together content pipelines.
I haven't been focusing on it
because I've been spending so much time on actual client work.
And, you know, I have a job as well.
So, you know, I work as a technical program manager where I use a lot of this for our projects.
And then I work, you know, with my side hustles with clients where I use automation and I build a lot of the
projects and the dashboards for them. And the stuff that I do personally is more just hobby
because the stuff in my life that's productivity-based, that's more of the business side
anyway, which I'm already using. So there's not much in my personal life that I need to automate.
I don't get a lot of emails. I'm not dealing with a lot of leads or anything like that.
So for me, it's more about just using it for everyday things regarding business and what
I'm working on. But besides that, I am building content pipelines for myself because I'm using my Claude bot, Cortana.
And what I'm doing is I actually am.
I have a second account that I made when this account got suspended and I'm just giving her the reins to it.
And what I'm doing is just allowing her to have her own Twitter.
And she's going to build a content pipeline about
the things that she wants to talk about the ideas and have it so I can approve. And once I started
doing that, I was like, all right, well, she probably had that for myself too. So I'm building
that out for her. And then I'm building that out for myself to be like, you know, the pipeline from
ideas to execution and everything in between. So not fully fleshed
out yet, but that's the idea of what I'm doing. And I would recommend anyone who's getting into
content, do the same. Just start looking into make.com and N8N because they actually have a
lot of templates pre-made that you could just load in. You can go to NAN, search TikTok,
and you'll see a whole bunch of ideas to TikTok pipeline using these five APIs. And then you go
to this platform and you sign up, and this platform and you sign up. And then you put your
APIs in, and then it's like, all right, use ChatGBT to develop the idea, use Google to
create the video, use Arc ads to make the UGC, you know, and then it just spits out a reel for
you that then you could go post to TikTok or it'll post it to TikTok for you. You know, so it's just
an example, but go look at the templates, you know, search Gmail, search Drive, just see the
different things that are there. They even just give you inspiration on what is possible to automate because again one of the
themes reoccurring themes here is just keep an open mind and explore what's possible
great advice man i love it guys here on stage. Any questions?
Anything that you would love to share? I
Know a lot of people here have a lot of experience So I wonder where Baron when I wanted to hear what Barry I've watched Baron just vibe code and like start creating all of these cool
Things and he just shares it on the timeline and I know he'd come up earlier
I was really looking forward to what he had to say, but yeah, man, I don't know,
Ben's very, very inspiring. You know what I'm saying? So happy to hear about the story and just
see your, see your, your way. And the fact that you're coming out here and you're teaching,
you know what I'm saying? It's like, I always tell everybody, each one, reach one, teach one,
you know what I mean? And you're very much the embodiment of that motto. And you know,
it's just, I love to see the work and, you know, saying OG mentor, that's, that's amazing.
Appreciate it, brother.
But yeah, if anyone has any, any other questions, you know, I'd be happy to
answer, feel free to raise your hand or something, but I don't know, grateful if you want me to just
like give some more examples of things you can do to inspire or teach some prompting lessons or
anything but i just saw um uh cheese cheese pie cheese pie just yeah cheese pie i was gonna go
yeah yeah go ahead bro hey how you doing? Yo grateful gym everybody, you know right here yo, uh ben jamming. I have a ben jamming
Sorry, uh, I have a question, you know, like some people some friends sometimes they hit me up and the difficult
And it's they hit me up with some questions like bro. How can I start with this?
You know, what's the best app what's the best
website that i that i want to start you know i tell them bro you know what i i'm more into the
into like try try to find what you buy with or what is easy for you you know on youtube or you
know any other um blog you know they're talking about ai and start from there so do your research
that's what i tell them because i just don't want to send them into the different into a different
path right and something that for an for a newbie someone that doesn't have serious experience
you know what will be your recommendations with your experience to send someone that path?
Yeah, I think that's a great question.
And what I would say is, you know, you need to figure out with them what the it is.
Like when they say, how can I get started with it?
Like, what's the it?
What are you looking to do?
You know, if someone's just saying, Hey, I want to make money.
There's a lot of different things you could do, right?
Like if someone came to me and they say, I want to make money.
You could say, go put out a lemonade stand on the corner, right?
Well, okay.
Well, why don't you be more specific with what you're trying to do?
Because there's a, you need to narrow your focus.
There's too many tools.
There's too many ideas.
You can get overwhelmed with all the opportunities.
So what I would follow up with is, well, what are you trying to do?
Are you trying to just have fun with it?
Are you at a job you don't want to be at? So you're looking
for ways out? Are you at a job that you love and you're looking for better ways to do it?
There's a lot of different things you can do with this. And I think it's worth both of your times,
both of your time to just follow up with, all right, well, to help me guide you,
tell me what you're interested in
or what you're looking to do with it. Everybody has their own entry point, and that's not
necessarily where they end up. And a great example, my founder of my company actually
said this earlier today, we were talking about like products and pivoting and just, you know, start somewhere, start anywhere,
is Jeff Bezos, you know, started this bookstore in his garage, had no idea what it was going to
turn into, and is now the biggest retailer ever, you know? So it's like you start somewhere,
you open the door. I opened the door with, you know, just asking questions,
building some things for myself, talking to friends. And that turned into me discovering
a finance niche that I vibe with pretty well. And I never expected to have, you know,
client automation work when I started asking questions to ChatTBT about food in my fridge
and what recipes to make.
So I started to just be curious, and it ended up with a passion.
And I think if you just find a door to open for them, the rest will flow naturally.
Bro, thank you very much, man. I appreciate it.
Of course, anytime.
Yeah, I think it's amazing what you can build as a single person in this era.
And we saw back in the day a lot of PVP and Web3, right?
But I think we all should work together
because we are competing with Web2 games, right?
We are competing with people outside
and learning about AI, vibe coding here.
Like I think if we, maybe there's a Discord
and I'm bad at Discords,
but maybe there's a Discord that we'm bad at discords but maybe there's
a discord that we can all chat and and share our experience how how to create better content how to
uh repurpose the the spaces and so on and so on how to stream that would be so helpful makavali go
ahead you know it's so crazy because if we look at this past era whenever entities had their boom
and you know where tech was and like all the roadmaps
promised and stuff like that like it was really like this impossible feat to like deliver these
things but in 2026 right now you could literally start an NFT project by yourself with some dope
ass IP if you understand the tools and the processing and create every single thing that
those old roadmaps used to promise you and then deliver a product.
It's like essentially β and like I'm kind of seeing a few people do that in the background.
You know what I'm saying with the way that they're working?
But like it's just so crazy how far AI and the tools have really come and like how you can make quick animations, videos, all these things, right?
You still have to be creative.
You still have to have a little bit of soul.
You know what I'm saying?
The machine will do most of the work for you, but you know what i'm saying the machine will do the most of work for you but you know what i mean but you know so it's just it's pretty amazing uh to see this and like
just to come across stories and representations in the industry and have people like this man so
yeah i'm like i said kudos to all you guys and you know maybe one of these days i'll get good at it
they say that the output is the input.
Yeah, it's true, Makavali, right?
Like, back in 2021, having animations, like, that was insane.
Illustrations and everything, like, it costs so much money just to check if the idea is right or not, right?
Now you can do it, like, it's insane.
It's insane.
So, man, and whenever you say AI,
you know, I live in Europe,
but I think in US it's going to be the same.
Like, everyone's so hungry.
Like, you say, hey, I'm using AI,
and everyone's like, how do you use it?
Which tools?
So I think if you know how to do it,
and I think Benjamin did a great job
to actually get clients to help them
with their biggest pain points.
It might be a really good time to start doing that because people are hungry.
It's a buzzword.
It helps them to save time.
I think it's incredible time right now.
Dr. DaveCoin.
If you need a Mac Mini.
I don't vibe code, but if you need a Mac Mini, holler at me.
You know what I'm saying?
I got your Mac Minis.
Dr. DaveCoin, do it. Big Macs. mini holler at me you know what i'm saying i got your mac minis guys flipping big macs
i know dr dave also vibe coded some some cool things so dr dave do you have any questions for
ben or you want to share something well i just can you hear me okay i'm in my car am i coming
through okay yeah yeah we can hear you.
Absolutely loving this chat with Ben.
And I just wanted to kind of touch on what Chesapeake was saying, which is about where do you start?
And I've got my own business. I've had an MSP, which is a fancy American word of saying an IT company for 18 years.
which is a fancy word of a fancy American word of saying an IT company for 18 years.
And when we fell into the whole automation thing, it was just before COVID. And when Chesapeay asked,
and Ben was also saying the same thing, you know, where do you start? You've got to,
as Ben said, you've got to, you've got to prioritize, especially if you're, if you're a
business owner. So I'm only talking as a business owner here, not an employee. But if you're running your business, you've got to start and prioritize,
right, what's the most important thing that I need that I need to resolve in my business. And
a lot of the time, it's revenue, you know, I'm sure you know, many people will agree with that.
So how do you increase your your revenue? And a lot of that comes from saving time in other areas so for what we did for example was
improving the entire client acquisition process so from quotes going out to how contracts got
electronically signed to how then invoices got sent out to to how clients no longer were paying
by bank transfer they were paying automatically by direct debit every single month,
how credit control happens, so automatic reminders and things like that.
And you start to then go through that automation process with tools like Zapier and Tokamare, Airtable,
and this is pre-ChatGBT and everything else.
And once you've kind of licked that process and you sit back and go, right, this is a well-oiled machine.
I'm saving time. Now I can get rid of staff.
We saved by doing what we did with just that process.
We made two people redundant.
And I know as an employee that sucks, but from a business owner's perspective, that saved us Β£50,000 a year.
Because all of those tasks that were being done by people no longer needed to be done by people.
And unfortunately, we couldn't transition those two in other roles.
But then we were like, right, what else can we fix?
So, you know, how our clients talk to us and how our support team deal with support tickets and automations going out in that respect.
support tickets and automations going out in that respect.
And you start to chop away all those different core elements of your business as a kind of,
you know, top level priority.
And then you save so much time, which then can be reutilized into sales, into dealing
with customers in a deeper way, having more time to go out and see them for account management
and things like that.
So, and this, like I said, is pre-ChatGPT.
Now we have all of these amazing tools in the last two years.
And I've only really just got into vibe coding literally in the last 24, 48 hours.
And I rolled out a game for Hero the Doggo, which took me four hours to do using Lovable.dev.
I never would have been able to have done that ever you
know i would have had to gone on to upwork and got a contractor and sort of out the hosting and all
these sorts of things so my point my point i'm trying to make here is is what chesapeake and
ben were saying you have to start with right one one process one automation you want to look in
your business and once you've done, you then see so many other opportunities
from doing that because you've then got a bit more experience
and you can then spot where the pitfalls are in your business
and you go, well, I can automate that now, I can automate that.
And you go and start searching for tools and things like that.
Now it's, I mean, with things like Lovable and ChatGPT,
so many tools are already in your face.
Prior to that, it was more difficult.
But you just start to see all the other opportunities.
And we went from back in 2020.
And by the way, this really helped us through COVID as well, because, you know, we were streamlined while, you know, the world was falling apart.
And we were picking up new clients where other IT companies were going going bust and things like that picking you know picking up the lowest hanging fruit and now in
2026 you know we went from you know five six hundred thousand pound turnover business like
one and a half million pound turnover business and had we not done any automation we'd still be
back there top heavy with staff now all of the staff are doing the right things for the right
job we have the right number of staff we're 12 people now we were like 15 then and i don't know
how we paid everyone because we certainly weren't making enough money but now we have like 12 people
all doing the right things we've got time for everyone and the most important thing is scale
thing is scale. It's all scalable. You can keep tweaking, you can keep building, you can keep
it's all scalable you can keep tweaking you can keep building you can keep scaling up
scaling up. And we certainly wouldn't be in a situation where we are now without automation.
And now with AI, you know, even with things like even smaller micro things, you know, a chatbot on
our website is a custom GPT, which pulls in the entire knowledge base of our website. And people
then talk to the chatbot rather than you know the
woman who i used to employ to do those sorts of things and you know social media i use um
you would have heard and seen maybe even on your own you know public transport these adverts for
ai employees they're just ai bots but you know i use cintra to do all of my social media linkedin
posts all scheduled now you always have to have that oversight, which is good,
but it will produce on my blogs, which is good for the SEO.
I used to have to pay a marketing company like three grand a month
to do all that bullshit.
Now, I'm not saying you don't always need to have experts,
because you do, but for the grunt work,
you can just do it with all of these tools.
And I'll tell you, you know, my business has been
revolutionized in the last five years. And it starts with that one first step through that door.
What do I want to fix? What's the most important thing? A lot of it comes down to revenue.
And then once you fix that, you can start fixing so many other things. And then you get to the
real polishing stage in your business life cycle. So that's all i want to kind of comment on and uh and play my game if you want to if you
want to have a have a play with it because it took me four hours i don't know how long i'll keep it on
on for probably for a month and then i'll kill the uh the pro the pro plan but you know we are in
a you know a time like you said grateful where you know back in 2020, like you said, grateful, where, you know, back in 2020, 2021, and people were
missing out on NFTs. But, you know, Web2 is really where the money is. So that's got to be truthful
about this. Web2 is where your money is, you know, that's where your job is. And if you're not
engaging with automation AI, especially if you are a business owner, you are going to fall behind,
owner you are gonna fall behind especially from your competitors so get on it.
Dave I just ran a AI on your website and it said automation 2 out of 10 so it sucks
so you need to hire Ben to check it out bro you know hit him up.
I haven't doxed my business yet so but yeah.
Bro it's AI era man you don't need to dox it anyway.
But I love what you're saying, man. I love what you're saying.
I think for businesses and also for the project, as Machavel mentioned before, right?
Like it's incredible. It's an incredible opportunity.
And whoever is not using those tools is behind. That's the reality.
Like you are behind if you are not using those tools
and you, you know, so that's why I, I DMed Ben to come here to share what he's been doing,
because I think it's really important for all of us. And yeah, I don't know how much time left
you have been, but if there's anything else that you would love to share that you think that might
be helpful for this audience, like go ahead, man. I know you mentioned prompting before.
Yeah, always getting better in prompting.
That's the offer for sure.
Yeah, sure.
So one of the things about vibe coding
is it can actually stay longer because I can still get work
done while I'm hanging.
So that's a nice unlock.
I haven't been on Spaces in a while.
But yeah, I would say that when we're looking at how to make money, which is I'm sure a lot of the ways people are going to approach this, you need to focus and refine ideas.
and refine ideas. So what does that mean? Well, you can go to ChatGBT or Grock or Perplexity or
Claude or any of them and say, give me 100 business ideas, make them high in demand,
make them easy to do, and make it something I would be interested in, right? Boom, 100 ideas really quickly. Okay,
great. Now what? Right? Well, now you need to refine those ideas, you need to prioritize,
and you really need to come up with like just one thing to focus on. And it's very hard to do when
you have so many ideas and things that you can do and so many opportunities. So what I would say is,
things that you can do and so many opportunities. So what I would say is, you know, start big,
start, you know, like I said, like that kind of prompt, give me, if you're looking for this,
because this is what I like to do, but, you know, give me a hundred ideas and here are some criteria
that I want you to consider and I want you to rank and score them.
One would be how in demand it would be.
Give me ideas that would be high in demand.
If you think it would be medium or small or low demand, I don't want it.
I want it to be something that is feasible to build,
something that's feasible to do.
It can be an idea of something that I'm going to build, like a website or an app, or it could be something like, hey, copper has a shortage, so why don't you figure
out the best way to advise people on how to buy it? Or I've seen a lot of talk on Reddit about
people being really annoyed with not being able to get rid of tree
stumps in their yard. And then the business idea could be, well, rent a tool and get rid of the
tree stumps, right? Like it's not all digital only. So there's so many different ideas that
you can come up with that you need to start refining them because going down any single
rabbit hole can take months of your time away if you really go for it.
So what you want to do is refine ideas, come up with a few, work on them in parallel, start to try and validate, see what can work.
apps, working on some automations, and talking to people about what they were interested in,
all trying to validate what kind of ideas can actually work so that when it came down to it,
and I focused on automations and building dashboards, that I was able to just lean into
that and go deep into that one thing with a single client
that makes me more money than I used to make at my full-time job out of college, right? So it's
really about refining things because it's so open-ended and you can brainstorm for days,
you can live in tutorial hell for years and never actually do something. So the name of the game is start with a wide net,
refine things down, come up with a focus, and you can do multiple things in parallel.
AI gives you the opportunity to, but don't try to do a hundred things at once. Try to do three
things at once. And whichever one of those, you know, makes you the most money,
focus on that. And the others, if they become, you know, high resource hobbies, that's okay too.
But always be trying to learn from it, always be trying to get something out of it,
and try to refine the ideas to things that you know are validated and people would actually pay for it.
This is an incredible piece of advice. I love that. I will try it right after the space
because this is awesome. And that's such a huge benefit of AI
because as Machaveli said, we have a group of like-minded people here,
people that are trying to do
something and build something but you don't need those people irl right now because you can talk
to chat gpt and to ai 24 7 right i'm not saying that it's not important to have like real friends
of course but you can use these tools to really figure out uh what next Because the biggest problem that people have
that they have so many options,
they don't know what to do, right?
They try this and that.
But if you make a long list,
then you create a short list,
what you should do.
AI gives you like, this is a high demand.
You should try.
I think it's genius.
This is incredible.
I will try it right after the space
to see what it shares with me because that's
really interesting. Yeah, it's about prompt engineering, which ironically is actually
going to be, in my opinion, a high in-demand skill. So if you're looking to become more employable,
you don't always have to be trying to build your own company because it's not for everyone.
And in fact, it's not for most people.
But if you want to become more employable, become good at prompt engineering.
So I guess if there's really anywhere to start, it would be learning how to prompt.
Ask ChatGBT to reverse engineer things for you. For example, if you want to get better at writing long form content,
go get Dan Koh's article that was like 200 million views or something loaded into ChatGBT and say,
reverse engineer this article and turn it into a prompt that I can ask you to build
for me and use dynamic placeholders where I can fill in different topics and interests, right?
So now it's going to look at what his style is, what he did, what the hook is, and it's going to
reverse engineer it and come up with a prompt that you can copy and paste and go and use in a different chat for yourself.
You can go take an image.
If you want to do image generation or marketing or content creation, go throw in an image and say reverse engineer this image.
I really like the style of it.
I like the layout.
And I want to be able to reproduce this
myself, right? Like go find someone's hero image on their landing page. And be like, this is awesome.
I love the style. Reverse engineer this for me and turn it into a prompt. And now if you want to
start getting even further with that, you can say, you know, turn this into a prompt using JSON,
into a prompt using JSON, which is JavaScript object notation. It's a more structured
form of delivery to the AI that they can understand better because computers operate
sequentially. So when you're thinking about how to get started in stuff, I think prompt engineering
is probably the highest leverage you can add as a skill without actually refining down the specifics of what you want to get into.
And this is what is going to separate the 10x AI users from the 100x AI users.
The ones who can not just understand how to prompt, but, and I'm going to use Dan
Ko as an example again, because he's been blowing up so much.
He creates an entire system that starts with a prompt that generates prompts, right?
Like you can get very meta with this.
You can have automations that automate automations, right? So when you think about prompts that build prompts, you can start chatting with something that you want to do. And in his
case, content creation, load in different files into a project. Here's different examples of
things I've written. Here's the voice that I like to use. Here's some people that I look up to that I would like to emulate.
I want you to create, and side note, Claude has Claude's skill creator, which can do things
like this for you.
But I want you to create a prompt that can then create other prompts for me.
a prompt that can then create other prompts for me. And so you start building these metas for
yourself and understanding how prompting works and how the LLMs want to view information.
Because if you just say, again, I'll use a simple to complex example. If you just say something like,
give me business ideas, it can go anywhere from start a lemonade stand, do dog walking, or go create an app for a B2C app. a lot of specifics to it and you add qualifiers and things to filter in or out or include or
exclude. You say, give me business ideas that center around parenting that are digital in nature
and are based around content. And an idea off the top of my head that I've seen in the past is
you create content, sharing different activities that you do with your kids that other parents can learn from.
And then you develop a course or digital products around that.
And now you're a content authority with a digital product that you build once, sell a thousand times.
So it really matters how you speak to these things.
And learning to become good at engineering your prompts by asking AI to develop prompts for you, I think, is the quickest way to learn how to communicate with the AI.
Man, this is really fascinating. I'm just trying to reverse engineer one of the illustrations that I got, and it seems really that I will be able to create more illustrations for the story that I actually wrote like two years ago, three years ago. and now you can just do this it's absolutely insane and i think for projects to actually build
a strong story these days with all the illustrations and visuals like it's so much
easier it's really unbelievable it's really like a dream coming true so man love this love this
prompting area and i think i have a like i still look at it like what's the best source like what's the
best youtube channel what's the best blog etc but the best blog and youtube channel is probably the
AI itself right like start asking the the good questions and you learn through that uh maybe
better than just you know watching youtube videos but But do you have any favorite creators in this AI world
that you watch and that you learn from?
Yeah, definitely.
All right, I'll rattle off a few for you guys.
So AI and automation.
Well, let's go with automation first.
There's two guys that I really look up to
and have learned a lot from. One is Liam Otley, O-T-T-L-E-Y. And another one is Nick Sarayev,
S-A-R-A-E-V, I think. I mean, if you go on YouTube and you search them, those are the guys for me with
automation. When it comes to AI, one of my buddies who you guys all probably know, Alex Finn,
used to go by NFT God. He has really, really become the authority on Claude Code.
I watch all of his videos that he's putting out.
He's just really killing it. When it comes to business, I really love watching Greg Eisenberg
from Startup Ideas Podcast. And I also enjoy watching Pat Walls from Starter Story, who goes
through a lot of different startups that people have done, and it talks about how they've done it and what they've built and what their process was.
So I would say those are some of my top ones that I tend to watch often.
And even one more or two more I'll give you just off the top of my head.
One would be Nate Herc, really good with AI
and automation. It's H-E-R-K. And then another one would be Callaway, who's amazing at content.
K-A-L-L-A-W-A-Y, amazing at content, spends all of his content on making content. So if you start to watch
these channels specifically, I think you can get ahead of the game with automation, AI,
business and content. Amazing. I wrote down the timestamp, so I will guys create snippets so you can Google or search for those
names. That's incredible. I cannot wait. And man, I just put a prompt and it started generating
the images and it's really absolutely crazy. This would cost me like $1,000 three years ago. It's insane. This is insane.
This is really insane. I never thought about it, but reverse engineering the illustration is
absolutely wild. And yeah, I... Machiavelli, what do you use for other games actually to come up with
the ideas? Do you have any workflow with AI?
No, all the ideas actually come out of my head.
Essentially, like, but like, I guess what I have used it for is to like, when I go to tell a story,
like, I'll write out all the key points and like what connects who and stuff like that.
Or I'll type it out, you know, I'll put it in my notes and then i'll copy and paste it and i'll tell it you know can you conceptualize this
into a story and this is the background scene you know of what what i'm trying to tell and then you
know it'll tell the story from that directive or from that direction and um that's really the the
most i've used and then i've used for um I've taken though like the 3d models like because most
of the characters that I use all have a 3d model and so I'll put the t-pose into nano banana into
chat gpt and tell it to add my character to an ultra 4k cinematic scene you know like um and
then I'll tell it whether it's action or what the setting is and stuff like that like I just
that's just really how I do.
And then really like besides using Kling a few times, like the best way I've been able to animate my stuff is with Grok.
And like the other little tools that you, is attached to ChatGPT.
And like, really what it is, is like, I'll take, I'll have to make maybe like six videos, right?
But I'll get, I'll be able to line up five or five or six seconds
out of those videos it looks like it's a fluid scene could depending on like like how it animated
is but like i've learned too on grok and some of these things it's like the more specific you are
telling it not to change something or stuff like that like it also helps it also keeps it like
cohesive and only moves what you want it to move in the picture and stuff like that because a lot of times you can get
you can tell a story and the whole
thing doesn't have to be full of motion you know
yep 100% man
I also brought here Uncle Mac
Uncle Mac do you have any questions
for Ben or you want to share anything
go ahead man
I came to share you know me I'm a big five coder I only
know how to code code through vibes I can I can offer all the tips I've done I've
done all the different parts of it so I was gonna come up for Machiavelli
actually cuz I had a an idea about this the other day is actually using Claude
code like get yourself cursor or Claude in VS or something.
Cursor is probably the quickest way to do it.
Bring it in, use the skills, but make a skill for storytelling.
Because I was thinking about doing this myself.
I was like, I bet I could use Claude Code, like the power of Opus,
to literally write a whole best-selling Amazon novel.
I was like, I could do it. I could do it.
And if you kept everything nicely structured in MD files
and worked your way through it
and always referenced back to the characters
and you had the whole architecture of how the whole story works,
I bet you could do it.
And you'd write a book in like a week,
launch it on Amazon, millionaire next week.
So that's one thing.
The other thing, mid-journey for video,
I've tried tons of them, I've tried Kling
I've tried Grok, I've tried
everything that ChatGPT suggests
I've tried
I haven't gone back to mid-journey since
I used to pay like
$30 a month
and then I just stopped using it one day
and I haven't even thought about it since then this has
been since like that's 2023 exactly same man I probably haven't used it since 2023 like I'm about
to go dive into mid-journey and go go go dive into mid-journey because I did exactly the same I was
just trying to generate some images I was thinking you know oh what will mid-journey do and then I
saw the animate button and I was like nah it's gonna it's gonna be crap it's just gonna be crap
clicked it you know 20 seconds later I was like holy shit and then what you can do with mid journey is really
cool you can extend the video so you can create like long content stuff like if it's all right
grateful i'll pin up uh the thing that i made for goop farms if that's okay yeah cool 100% do it
if i can actually pin it up. Oh, share via.
Nope.
I don't know how to do this thing anymore.
Weirdly,
my iPhone's not letting me pin stuff up anymore.
I'll comment it in the thing.
But yeah, you can extend videos so that you can take like the last key frame.
And I think it will only let you do it.
Maybe like five or six times.
You can only maybe create like a 20 odd second video,
but what you can do is you
can copy the last frame inside mid journey start a new video from there so you can just exponentially
really video as far as you want so i've been i've been thinking about that too because like
that's where i have the most problem is like i'm having to piece together a lot of little scenes
sometimes and stuff like that and like even one little mistake but like
having that extended part is is kind of brilliant because like they could like i don't know like
honeybee does some amazing things with like camera motion and movement and stuff because he uses other
tools like you know what i mean and like sometimes i think about like when the ai is going to get that
good to be able to like follow that kind of a direction to extend a scene or to stay in motion or direction of that story,
you know? It does. Mid-journey is that good. If you give it proper specific terms in clear
instructions, and this is where I think Ben was saying, like, you know, get it to reverse engineer
prompts. Get to reverse engineer prompts, but you can also get it to just refine your prompts into
things that it understands how to do.
So ChatGPT seems to know how to talk to all the other AIs quite well.
So if you say, I'm using MidJourney,
how is the best way I should direct it on directing it, essentially?
And it'll tell you, use words like pan left, pan right,
zoom in, zoom out, or it'll be like one continuous motion shot you know that travels
you know and there's like different there's like proper terms for it but mid-journey is very good
at picking up on the direction that you give it um and then yeah i mean just go explore the tool
yourself you'll see how like useful it can be you get four generations in one thing you know you'll
get i tend to find the third generation is always the one that i want it's weird like i'll generate
like a bunch of stuff it's always the third one i'm like yep number three again let's go number
three come on lucky number three um and then just work my way through different things like that but
i put the video in the comments uh you can see it there uh and then i used a little bit of
apple's i movie that's all i did to like speed stuff up slow it down and then add in the music track as
well which i got from 11 labs uh because 11 labs is great for music generation and then that's the
the opening trailer to the game that i made also entirely out of ai as well so bro hey um iMovie
is my favorite tool right now like i've been using iMovie for years and years and years i've used to
make all my content for youtube and stuff like that With iMovie But back then there was really no animated
You were like literally just like
I don't know
I was using like still pictures and stuff like that
But like gaining other motion
It was like almost like
It was like a flip book momentum
You know what I mean?
Like how fast it could switch through
Or you would slow down a scene
But I miss iMovie
And I got
I opened it up the other day
And man I went back and saw some of the stuff I used to make and I was like, damn, boy, you still got it.
for Instagram Reels, and I've been talking about it for a while.
I'm still working on that, but for Instagram Reels and TikTok,
basically to have a 3D ape, that's possible to make it, right?
To have a 3D avatar, that's possible.
But I would love to also prompt a voice, so I don't have to talk there.
It should lip sync, and I could create those news videos, right?
Like the ape standing and say, hey, today, let's say gold,
Bitcoin dropped a little bit.
Other side is launching something new, et cetera.
And started creating these videos.
Because without videos, you have no chance on Instagram.
It's so difficult.
So that's my goal.
I will crack it out this year.
I will 100% make it possible. i i will crack it out this year i will 100 make it possible and i will
i will kill it uh as gary v said also he's been talking about uh he's been talking about uh ai
3d avatars for a long time and i think it has a huge potential with our ips that we have here
you see so many uh people owning their ip here in this space. So it's a huge opportunity, I think, because
it's also an opportunity to bring more people from outside of Web3 without talking about NFTs
and how this works. Just seeing that avatar and bringing awareness, I think that might be really
good. Uncle Mike, go ahead. So I'd say 11 Labs again. If you've not checked it out,
they have a full voice cloning thing that you can do,
and their plans are pretty affordable.
But then I'd also say you have all the tools to make this thing.
It just depends how much time and brainpower and effort
you want to put into it.
Like if I was going to take the thing that you want to do,
first thing I'd do, I'd take my Uncle Mac avatar, my NPC here,
and I'd get the different
views of it you know like one like three different angles or whatever i'd take it into mid journey
and i would get it to generate and you can do like high motion or low motion i'd do low motion
i'd direct it the way i want it to and i'd get it to just start doing different voice like mouths
and facial expressions and stuff just like animators do in actual animation. Then I would bring that into like Claude or something, and I'd start working on a way
to speak into my microphone and assign different animations from the thing to different sounds
that it picks up from my microphone.
And then I don't think you could maybe get fully automated.
Actually, you would, because once you had a cloned voice in 11 code, 11 labs,
you would put in all of your script,
it would speak it in your voice,
you'd feed it back in to your program
that you'd made with all the different animations,
and then it'd start talking to you
as if you were animated.
And I bet you'd get much nicer animations
as well, and much nicer text.
But that's how I'd tackle that task,
if you were feeling adventurous.
Grateful, you just gotta go to Cloud Code.
Be like, this is what I wanna do.
I'm retarded.
How do I do it step by step?
How do I set this up?
What do I need?
How do we make it cheap?
How do you know, granular, like, step by step?
Just say that, like, and we'll do it for you.
And I'll teach you plug and and play you don't have to know
shit i i would follow that with um you do have to use your brain but i think this is is where
i've like developed my skill of vibe coding is i code with vibes uh and like i know i've got rugger
dev he's a big old dev with full brains, full of dev
knowledge from, you know, 10 plus years of full stack development. He can't vibe code as well as
I can because he tries to be too specific. He tries to know the tools. He tries to know the
features and the functions and he tries to tell it and the vibes fail. The vibes fail miserably.
So the best way I've found is describe it, what you want it to do in the most natural language to you.
Don't tell it you don't know anything.
You do know what you want,
and it will give you the feedback of the types of tools that you need.
In Goob Farms, I have player versus player real-time battles.
I didn't know what a web socket was
until I described the concept of what I was looking for.
A way that two players connect across the internet and the thing through the server
in as fast a time as possible.
And it was like, you need a WebSocket, my friend.
And I was like, what the fuck is a WebSocket?
Then it explained a WebSocket.
We implemented all that.
Now I got a super fast, like three millisecond like delay between people uh doing
interactions with each other halfway around the world so it can understand what you want if you
speak to it in natural language in the way that you want it to work and the vibes will get you there
and guys maybe noob question but you're talking about claude. Claude is the one that I install
or that I, I don't know, talk to in the
terminal or how that works or is it just
going to, yeah, terminal, right?
It's not the one on the website.
There's a couple
of things to
differentiate.
So Anthropic is the company
and they create
Claude, which is the app.
They create their models like Opus and Sonnet.
And they also have Claude Code, which is an orchestrator to use the models.
Okay, so on the app, you can choose between different models to use.
And it's just like using ChatGPT with different models.
You can use Claude Code, and it's best with Opus, but it could use different models.
And what you want to do is try and decide how you want to use things, because Claude Code, using it is separate from how you would use Claude, even though they're similar things.
using it is separate from how you would use Claude,
even though they're similar things.
So Claude is going to be on their app,
which from my experience is very buggy.
It doesn't keep context long.
The memories are kind of trash.
They have some good functionality
with how they're integrating their tools and MCPs.
But in terms of like using an app,
it's one of my least favorite to use from a UX perspective,
even though I think the models are great.
It's just, it's buggy and it doesn't,
I'm just used to ChatGPT being fluent,
remembering everything about me.
But Cloud Code, you can either use it in the terminal directly, or you can get an
extension in VS Code or Cursor or something like that. And then you could use it within that
environment. And it's more visual than just using a terminal because you could see all the files and
all the changes it's making live. So there's a few different things that they have, but they all tie into the same ecosystem.
And Ben, is it safe to install it to your main device
or you would use separate computer for that?
Yeah, no.
I mean, you're not putting yourself at risk for most things in like stuff that you would have on
your computer, but where you can get in trouble with it is if you're using like Claude in Chrome,
for example, that can navigate through different websites that you're logged into,
which is a positive, but God forbid something goes wrong and it accesses your crypto or your bank or
sends an email to your boss it wasn't supposed to. There's definitely ways you can get in trouble.
There's definitely some security concerns if, for example, you store private keys on your computer or social security numbers or whatever, and that data goes to Anthropic and someone abuses the data.
There's definitely attack vectors, but for the most part, installing it on your computer does not give you the same kind of security risk as Claudebot would, for example.
Got it. Yeah, thank you, man.
Uncle Mike, go ahead.
My suggestion is get Cursor.
That's my favorite one.
You know, $20 will get you on the pro plan,
and then four days later, you'll be on the $200 ultra plan,
and then six days later, you will have two ultra plans uh but yeah no cursor is like the nicest easiest one to use it's kind of you know
it's like the halfway between you chat to it and the thing and you slowly work and learn your way
around you know it's got like a sidebar and that'll show like the the repo like the documents
folders and stuff like that and and you'll start to just understand little things and one of the best things that
I like to do is whenever I get it to make me something that I'm not sure of yet so like when
I'm when I'm when I've been learning to do smart contracts I get it to make the smart contract
or I get to make me a version of the smart contract where it explains in comments every
single line and function of what it's trying to do
so you can use it to learn as well whilst you're doing it but cursor is the best one in my opinion
i've yet to move to the old proper terminal uh vs code you know with the different plugins and
whatnot cursors like you plug and play download it set up the plan off you go
see i like i used to use cursor but now i just kind of use the terminal and now i set up the plan off you go see i like i used to use cursor but now i just kind of use
the terminal and now i set up my cloud bot and i'll just make like custom apps for myself right
like i have if i'm like trying to be like super if i want to feel techie i'll go to the terminal
or i have now like an app that like shows me all my agents and all the shit that they're doing
like you see like a giant symphony of people just walking around it's like a little mini game and you can
like go walk up to them and be like what are you working on bro he's like i'm doing this this this
this is this i'm like okay show me the code and then i can audit it right and i can just prompt
it back to the go back to my tg or my discord and be like hey you know check this out and it keeps
so i kind of like created my own little like workflows or just to visually represent it.
Right.
Just so if you wanted to make it cool, you could too.
Right.
Like if you're like intimidated by the fucking terminal.
And bro, could you share like any use cases or any apps that you built that would inspire others?
Because I always hear like people have this crazy setup, but I never, it's like from that movie.
What was the movie?
Wedding Crashers?
Like he's screaming at his mom, like meatloaf, right?
And he's like, I never know what she's doing out there.
And I never know what you guys doing with those agents.
So what's the best use case that you have
with those crazy agents that you're running on the club?
Depends on the day, but for the most part,
it's many, many things.
I mean, it goes back to business, right?
Where it's like, okay, let me feed you as much information
as to what I'm working on and what I'm thinking about,
like my personality, my interests,
and what my focus is on business.
And like, okay, I want one agent to one organize this whole, my whole brain dump. And then be like, okay, I want you, I want one agent to one,
organize this whole, my whole brain dump.
And then be like, okay, what are the things
that we should focus on?
Here's my schedule, here's blah, blah, blah.
And then come up with a brief
and tell me the most important actionables
and make it as detailed as possible for me.
So I know what we can knock off, right?
Like, based off what you know of me.
So it's personal, right, to begin with.
And then from there, I'm like, okay, now that it's working on this shit, let me focus on kind of like marketing content, stuff like that, or the people skills, the social stuff. So I'll be like, okay, let me, let me do that. And then I'll have another agent be like, Hey, I need you to go do research for me on finding all the grants based on my interest and my skill sets
and like here are my numbers like make a proposal and i want you to go research everything online
right now and be like what are the grants that fit me what are the fundings that that fit me
find me leads that fit me and then i have a dap i literally have a website that just like
keeps refreshing every single day for me and i'm like okay cool now make that list for me and like
let's go contact them like send out a feeler so we the, if it's a cold reach, if it's a warm reach, it'll be more personal.
Right.
Like I have a different list for that.
And that's just like for sales.
Right.
And then I'm like, all right, cool.
That's one agent.
And then you just keep doing that over and over again for content.
Every, every part of your business is like what I make an agent for.
That's crazy, bro.
Love it.
Love it.
And I, I kind of starting to understand
what you guys mean with those agents,
because I had different idea how that works.
And I will quickly play the reference
that I was talking about.
What is she doing?
I never know what she's doing back there.
Just living the dream.
Where'd you get that girl?
Yeah, Will Ferrell.
We need to bring him to Ape Fest.
2026 Will Ferrell on Ape Fest. That's the goal. Where'd you get that? Yeah, Will Ferrell. We need to bring him to ApeFest. 2026, Will Ferrell on ApeFest.
That's the goal.
Krem, go ahead.
What's good, fellas?
No, man, loving this conversation.
Super deep in this, down this rabbit hole as well.
I've been using clogged code a ton.
But the reason what triggered me to kind of come on stage is you asked, like, you know,
what do you guys do?
Like, what do you guys do? Like,
what do you build? And I think you really just need to start with like a problem or like a task
that you have that maybe you do regularly. It's like, hey, can I automate this? So for example,
I'll just share a few because I actually have to do like AI at work. So I literally do this for
clients and customers at work. And then I automate stuff
outside of work as well. So I had to create like a, like I just, I do GMs, right? You know, GM,
coffee cup. I like to switch up to GM with my mutant. So I created a content generator. So
like, I know like grateful, like you have a lot of dope content different renders of your ape on a boat in a desert
on a mountain whatever
I have a content generator I created
Quadco basically created it
at a front end like website
and it generates like 10
different renders of
my mutant
we lost you right now or now you're back now you're back can you guys still hear me
okay yeah all right so um yeah it generates uh these uh renders for my mutant uh based off of
a prompt that i provided so i'm like hey guys i want it to look like this um and i finally got
it to work so again this this this, this can, this one automatically
every day at a certain time. And when I wake up in the morning and I need to put out some content
from my GM or whatever, I can go through my dashboard and be like, oh, this one looked sick.
It's a sick ass render of my mutant. And it's different art styles, different backgrounds,
different lightings, everything. Some are 3D, some are 2D, some are plushy, whatever.
But again, this solved the problem for me in terms of content generation.
So again, start with the problem.
Another quick example, I had something at work, right?
So I needed to configure some routers, right?
So I do this technical work. And I need to log into some routers, right? So I do this like technical work.
And I need to log into 50 routers.
But I'm like, I'm not about to manually log into 50 routers.
So log, create me a script that will log into the routers based off of the IP addresses, right?
And then execute the command.
Because it's the same commands.
You know, I'm just doing it 48 times.
So I created a script in three minutes and I executed that.
So again, start with the problem or start with an idea. Hey, this can save me 30 minutes
if I created a little workflow or an agent that can handle this for me. And then that 30 minutes
turns into like, hey, I have so much extra time because that agent does my content.
This agent does some of my work stuff.
But yeah, just again,
I've been having this conversation
with a lot of people and they're like,
what can you free?
What can you do?
Like everyone's talking about vibe coding,
but like what's possible?
And it's like, well, what do you need?
Right?
So start there.
I just want to kind of share that.
Got it. That's awesome, Kareem. kind of share that yeah that's awesome creme absolutely love that that's amazing and uh guys this space alone helped me so much it's insane i have so many ideas what to do right now and uh how to start working on
stuff that's incredible that's incredible ben go ahead yeah i just wanted to follow up with a few
different things um some some great stuff great advice, great value from you guys. So appreciate it. I would like to add a little bit of color from my end.
But now I still use it, but I don't pay for Cursor.
I just use it for the free environment.
And I use my Claude code in that environment as well as Codex from OpenAI.
I use those in Cursor itself.
So nothing wrong with getting the agents, but that's not how I use it anymore, although there is value there.
And then regarding, like, what can you do regularly?
I've been setting up my Claudebot lately. And while I still use my Claude code, primarily, I use the Claude code to actually set up the Claudebot, is not as easy to do with Claude code, for example, is I'm giving it access to almost everything that I have. I'm giving it access to my own stuff, and then I'm allowing
it to create its own accounts. So here's some examples. I'm creating a content OS system with my Cortana to have ideas, brainstorming, review, approval, a pipeline for that.
And we're storing it in Airtable.
So I created an operating system for my workspace that is going to tap into what I have in my Airtable, what I have in my Notion, what I have in my notion, what's in my Gmail, my calendar,
and just give it access to a whole bunch of things so that it can understand everything
about me.
And it's already been doing that with my YouTube channel, my Twitter, analyzing my posts,
analyzing my content, showing me what's the best performing, which of them I should
lean into more, which of them I probably should stay away from, you know, things like that.
And so I'm going to be creating this whole operating system that it's learning about me
and becoming my brain and creating different plans for me, showing me the files that it's creating, all different kinds
of things. And then I'm also giving it its own personality and its own accounts. I'm going to
have it create its own Gmail, its own YouTube, its own TikTok, all that kind of stuff. And I'm
going to have it just banging out content as an AI creator and hopefully using that as a funnel to bring people back to me
because it's my AI and it's running my stuff. So I'm having this multi-level approach where
I need help doing all my own stuff, but this AI assistant that's helping me be my operator and saving me time and doing things that I need done is also going to have its own life on the side that ties back into me as a funnel that's proactively putting out content, replying to people, sending them to my stuff.
So there's unlimited amount of things you can do, but the speed at which these things are moving for people to be able to run their lives, their businesses, their personal stuff is going so fast that the conversation is not just about, you know, how can I develop a product to make some money, but how can I optimize
my life for things that are hidden that I can't surface?
So look through my emails for potential clients that I spoke to 10 years ago that own their
own business and may be interested in automations now.
It'll go through my conversations.
Show me what everyone in my Slack talked about yesterday at my company and distill it down
into a summary so I understand what went on in my day off.
Just all these different things that you can do by using API integrations that are getting smarter and smarter with MCP tools and companies all building for this stuff now.
both personal and professional workflows that you have in your life,
even down to being able to answer messages for you.
I forget who mentioned it earlier, but like call a restaurant and place an order or make a reservation for you
because it has a voice. You can connect it to a phone. You can connect it to your email.
it to a phone. You can connect it to your email. All this kind of stuff is adding a layer of
intelligence on your own life that is essentially like having a 24-7 assistant that completes
things a thousand times faster than a normal person was and doesn't get tired. So when you think about the cost benefit analysis of paying for something like a Claude Code that you might be paying $20, $100 to $200 an hour.
For $200 an hour, I have 10 of these AI assistants that don't get tired, that I can send to do whatever I want whenever I want.
And what would that be worth to you if you had even one assistant? Would you pay more than $200
a month for a single assistant who's going to answer your phone calls and book meetings for you?
Yeah. Everyone's been doing it who runs their business forever, right? Like my dad used to have to pay a secretary,
I don't know, 60, 70, $80,000 a year,
whatever it is to like answer phone calls
and organize his schedule.
I can do that with a $20 monthly subscription right now.
Like why wouldn't you look into it?
So it's more than just how do I do this thing that I'm interested in?
And it's more about how do I add a layer of intelligence on top of what I'm already doing
and what I'm interested in that can work while I sleep for a fraction of the cost that anyone
would have had to pay in human history.
And it's a thousand times smarter than anyone you would have paid anyway.
Right.
So that's the way I look at all this stuff.
Yeah, man, it 100% makes sense.
And it's absolutely crazy to think about it, right?
Like world is changing so quickly these days that I can't imagine what's going to happen
within a year.
Like talking about 10 years, like I have no idea.
It's going to be completely different world.
And it's, it's exciting.
It's, I think it's like with everything, right?
Like if you, if you stop learning, you're going to be left behind and you miss this
huge opportunity.
So I absolutely love today's space because I learned
so much. It's not only about like who to follow, like the tools and stuff, but how to think about
AI, right? Like how to implement it into your life. Incredible, man. Incredible. So yeah,
I see we have a pro users here, like Honeybee. He's crazy. He has like 69 agents organizing his life.
Absolutely wild.
Gatsby, Uncle Mac, oh my God, guys.
You are the killers.
I love it.
I'm actually AI this whole time.
This is an AI agent.
Welcome.
This is 11 labs trained already.
But to be funny enough, I think because I come from an orchestra background, like as a conductor, it made so much sense to me because that's all you're doing you're just conducting
you know you got to tell the violin section like hey i need you motherfuckers to do this
tell those sections you're fucking it up tell those sections you're slacking like do this this
isn't you know what i mean like basses why you sleeping and then you coordinate the symphony
and it's like it just you know what i mean like you got to think about it that way be like okay
how do i move this part of my business or my life and the agentphony and it's like, it just, you know what I mean? Like you got to think about it that way. Be like, okay, how do I move this part of my business or my life?
And the agent will help you,
bro.
Like at this point I have 30 different things happening in the background.
And I'm like,
Oh look,
I can hang out with his face,
talk and play some video games.
And then I'm like,
knock it.
Livestream,
right.
Have some content for,
for other side and shit.
And like,
that's like,
I can focus on the human part,
but it all,
go ahead. Really quick. I just wanted to touch on that too just because he said orchestrate right and that's the analogy i've been
using for a lot of people i'm just like dude you're you're the guy orchestrating like hey go up higher
go lower you're so you don't need to know you're not the specialist i feel like you don't need to
be a programmer a full stack developer you don't need to be a programmer, a full stack developer. You don't need to know anything now.
A lot of this is just prompt engineering, knowing how to like extract the information you want.
So I do have a tech background.
So I think I have like a little bit of a like a leg up probably on some people.
But I don't think it's I see a lot of people being like intimidated to get started.
And it's just like look up prompt engineering and just how to like prompt these little AIs. And we've been using chat GPT and cloud and stuff for literal years. So if you
haven't started using it, just understand how to manipulate that. And I think once you get to like
the cloud code or cloud bot, like the orchestration where it's kind of doing everything for you,
connecting all the dots for you, you know how to get to the desk the destination because you're not a prompt so i've taken like prompt engineering courses on like udemy and there's
probably free ones on youtube you know but just understand how to prompt these ais and i think
that's that's a lot like half of the battle um don't get too hung up on like i don't know js code
or ns they're like all the code javascript and ht HTML and CSS. You do not need to know these things.
Promise you.
You just need to know how to talk to it.
And then like, nope, not quite it.
I said like this.
Oh, okay.
You know, and then sure enough,
you're at your destination.
But yeah, I just wanted to jump in on that.
That orchestration piece is super powerful.
I'm just like sitting here.
I can pull up a coffee and I'm like,
do this. I'll give it a nice, nice input though, right? Nice prompt, very detailed,
maybe like a paragraph, like an essay, you know? And I'm just sitting back watching it connect all
the dots. And then when it needs something from me, what it'll ask is like, hey, can you go to this website, create an account, go to settings and give me the API key?
Yeah, that's pretty simple.
I can do that.
So because I hear a lot of people like API, oh, I don't know.
As soon as they hear certain words, they're like, oh, they tap out.
Right.
And it's like, dude, you don't need to know any of that.
Right.
So again, just want to share those examples because it's like I have this't need to know any of that right so again uh just want to share
those examples because it's like i have this conversation with every like this is the only
topic that i'm talking to people about like every day they're just like what can you create crown
like what are you creating like it's like dude like what do you need again like for example like
i sell pokemon cards and stuff on ebay so i'm like, hey, well, anytime I list a card on eBay, can you also list it on whatnot?
Just so it has more exposure for that card getting sold.
That's a simple workflow, right?
It's like, that's not hard.
And the other piece I want to say, there's a huge difference between workflows and agents,
okay?
You guys have probably touched on this already.
Workflows have been around for a long time.
I've been doing workflows since 2018, 2019 2019 with like Zapier and Integromat, like some of these systems back in the day, where it's like, if this over here, do this over here.
If this happens in Outlook, do this in Slack. If this happens in Microsoft, whatever, do this in OneNote. That's been here.
That's been here.
The agent piece is the game changer, right?
The orchestration is the game changer
because the agent allows you to like,
now it can do things for you
and not just wait for a trigger.
It can like wake up, generate content
and post it for you or reply to people.
But again, that's the biggest difference
is there's workflows and there's agents.
Agents is like the real, the power right here.
And that's a lot of what people are doing with Vibe Coding.
A lot of times they're integrating some type of agent that is like autonomously doing something.
But yeah, I just want to touch on that, man.
Yeah, I just want to touch on that, man. I'm super excited. Love the conversation, man. Love it.
I'm super excited.
I love the conversation, man.
Love it.
Like, AI will unlock so much free time that the world really, like, will look completely different, right?
Like, if you look back in, if you, if you watch old movies without, like, the era without the internet, like it was insane right but you had a phone you needed
to go pick up the documents like physically it was insane i think you can do what people did
like 20 30 years ago you can do it maybe one day is like two months of their work or maybe even one
year i don't know it's crazy so absolutely love this uh will be interesting to be part of that
with uh robots and everything.
Oh my God, the future is really crazy, crazy.
And I'm happy that we're here.
I'm really excited also for the metaverse, of course, how AI will be used there, because
I believe it's going to be huge.
And Garga mentioned that many times.
So yeah, guys, big shout to everyone here sharing their experience, how they use AI,
the vision and everything.
It's absolutely, absolutely crazy.
So really hyped for that.
We are touching two and a half hours right now.
So I was thinking about like 90 minutes
and we could be here for another two and a half hours.
I can imagine that, but we will slowly rip it up.
I want to thank all of you for sharing.
It's incredible.
Big shout out to everyone who joined
us and listened to us. It was great space and I can't wait to actually get into the cloud and
start doing something because this was really a huge inspiration for me to push it to the next
level. And so good, guys. Grateful for everyone who joined us today because it was so good.
So good guys, grateful for everyone who joined us today because it was so good.
If you guys want to share anything, go ahead, now is the right time and then I will leave
final words for Ben before I wrap it up.
And yeah, let's fucking go guys.
This was crazy.
I just want to thank you bro, I got completely rugged halfway through the space, I don't
know why I got a call in and then suddenly I would get on stage, off stage. My mic would not work. So I don't know if I missed any questions from anyone or anything that anyone directed to me.
But thank you, Ben. Thank you. Grateful for another amazing space.
And yeah, start Bible coding, bro. You know, it's pretty easy, man.
You just got to start. If you don't start, you're never going to learn.
So it's ask steps to ChatGPT. Give me the steps on how to start creating this and feed it to Courser or
to Claude or whatever and you'll suddenly start picking everything up you
know I'm sure Grateful has incredible ideas he's gonna pull out to the space
maybe one more question for me guys so I can download cursor and and and plug it into Claude is that correct
you can actually cursor has a 15 free day trial so you should definitely start
with cursor I would recommend basically because Claude doesn't have the free
access to coding so to the actual code Claude but you can after that if you
really like Claude more than cursor or you want to use both for efficiency, you can plug it in directly to your IDE, which is basically plug it into Cursor.
Or you can use two, like Visual Studio Code with Claude and Cursor in its own by itself separately.
I like to use them separately for consumption things and stuff like that.
things and stuff like that.
And Cursor has an extension that you can use.
And Cursor has an extension
that you can use. So you just go into extensions and do
cloud code and then you just
pull that up and then it just opens
up right in the environment. Like you don't have to
actually use the terminal.
That's the alpha
for me, man. That's the alpha for me, man.
I absolutely love that. I'll do it
right after I finish the space and
have a dinner because, damn, I'm so excited
to start cooking, guys.
Like, so many great points here.
Absolutely.
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
Not buying McMinn yet, but, yeah, I will start with the Claude.
And really, that was a really great space today, guys.
Really helpful.
I believe this space helped so many people.
It's great.
So, Ben, anything else you would love to share
or maybe something I forgot to ask you?
Whatever you want to share with people here,
go ahead, bro.
Yeah, I just want to remind people
that the successful people you see in life
are not much more different than you.
You know, they're not special.
They're not super intelligent.
Most people just find passions, become curious, and just hammer away at them.
Right? them, right? So my whole mental model is about being curious, working on things, exploring things,
talking about them, and trying to find ways to provide value to others, whether it's free content
as a funnel to bring potential clients in, or seeking out clients in cold emails and saying something like, hey, here's what I can provide for you.
I just need a minute of your time to talk about it.
You can reach out to people.
People can reach out to you, whatever it is.
But at the end of the day, stay curious.
Keep trying things.
Keep talking about it.
And just remember that you are in control of your own destiny more than ever.
And keep a positive mindset regardless of how bad things get. Because I went through it in 2022,
2023, had a lot of mental issues and depression. And then my kid was born and it was hard to get
out of it. And I climbed out of it by staying positive
finding things to work on be productive with and focus on what i have and what i'm grateful for
so stay positive stay grateful no pun intended and stay curious thanks for having me
thank you so much ben and i absolutely love your story. And I remember those days.
And I started a space saying that, right?
Your story and how you overcame everything
and that you actually got those clients.
It's really, really inspirational story
for everyone in this space.
And I love it.
I love it.
You're OG Ape.
I remember those days
and I remember your journey.
And it's great for everyone to hear this because nothing is only up.
You see it on charts.
You see it in your life.
Like it's always up and down and you need to keep going.
And I love to see that, man.
Always trying to find a way to make it.
And that's the way how we survive also in Web3, right?
Like you see it, everyone here on stage,
like we all trying to do something.
Something works, something doesn't
work, maybe more things doesn't work than work
but we keep going and we figure
it out. So really, really grateful
for that, guys. We had
epic chat today. If you just
join us now, like after the space
and listen to recording
because I think it was great.
I will also be sharing
some snippets from this space
and I just got DM from Lorkey
that they will feature us.
So there will be AI snippets
on their side.
So yeah, guys, crazy times.
Absolutely love today's discussion.
Thank you so much, everyone,
for listening.
Thank you so much,
everyone who joined us here on stage and share all the alpha well it was insane guys it was really
really great i enjoyed it so much so big shout to you follow ben follow people here on stage
you know like their content because algo is still crazy and have a great thursday there's a meet at
a clubhouse today in like i don't know three and a half hours or something like that See you there in 3d. It's gonna be a banger and again. Thank you so much. This was Grateful Show 434. Let's go, baby
And as you know guys, we gotta be clapping our hands! I'm not tired. I'm not what? I'm not tired.
I'm not tired.
I'm not tired.
I'm not what?
I'm not what?
I'm not what?
I'm not what?
The fall of the sun and the center of the earth,
in the middle of the universe,
then why is this first coming six-time rehearsed?
For freestyle, but by a runner like such, we need some screens controlled by the fiends. in the middle of the universe. Then why is this first coming six time rehearsed?
For freestyle, I'm left by a rider like such.
We need some screens controlled by the fiends.
What if you're all this shit I'm seeking?
