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But you came in and now it's gonna be all about you. God damn it. It's okay. Thanks for being here to record. Appreciate you.
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I'm saying sorry about that Jericho. He was gonna take over.
is the way it goes. It is what it is. But I'm sending you cohost invites and then we can go ahead and get started.
there. Let me... Okay, awesome.
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Today this is making time to show 4 creators by creators where we highlight people over the space whether they be developers, project owners, artists, writers, you name it. That's what we're here for. We're here to help spread the love and support the cause. I would ask you guys to like comment
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I literally just woke up.
Oh, so a little bit unfortunate, but it is what it is. We'll be talking for only about 30 minutes, so it shouldn't be too much of your time. But is your day just beginning or did it just end?
No, like, I'm still trying to fix my sleeping schedule from the FIFA.
That's right. Yeah, we'll have to get we'll get into that in our conversation because I'm interested in learning more about that But yeah, thanks for being here be rinked. I'm glad you days going well today has been a pretty good day for myself I would say it's been pretty chill it is snowing and it is
is two degrees outside, two degrees Fahrenheit, which is quite colder than I'm used to as an American. So, yeah, so I'll go ahead and start jumping into my questions for you. And I think the first thing we'll start with is what got you into Web 3.
3 is like it's got acting gaco actually
I've been here, I've been in the crypt of space since like 2017.
It was just a way for me to get to know more about investing and it was a more accessible way for me to learn about all this stuff.
And then it turned out more than just an interest.
And then like between then and there I was just like trading, you know spending time in the crypto and these kinds of things, but then like the NFT market is
came up and like I've been like joining multiple things but like in NFTs I was just kind of absent.
But then a friend of mine started this galactic gecko's project and it was like
You want to just join in? And I was like, yeah, sure.
And then from there, like...
I'm here like it's been a year, like a year now and a bit in the Solano with three space. And it's been life changing, honestly.
Yeah, so did you say one of your friends was one of the collective gecko leaders? Yeah, yeah So are you also a founder or are you just kind of part of the community?
working with like moderating the community itself, just focusing on the technical aspects.
So you've been in crypto for quite a long time. You've been in crypto since 2017 and then you kind of discovered NFTs or in particular salon NFTs.
through a close friend of yours who was getting kind of involved in the GACO. So how was it different getting into NFTs compared to your previous experience just being normal crypto itself?
Honestly, that was always my opinion, is that trading NFTs is so much less stress than just trading crypto itself.
I used to trade a lot. We've all been liquidated a couple of times on finance and futures and others. One of you lost a few. I was mostly doing arbitrage like manual.
Manual, I'll be trying between like really niche exchanges.
and made my first bit coin doing that. But like, having to sit down with the monitor and having to sit down, watch everything, and you know, it's like...
you can't sleep. If you have a tree open, you can't sleep. And sometimes even if you don't have a tree open, you can't sleep. But being in the NFT,
and it was just bite and it goes up which was fun until it wasn't.
Yeah, it's definitely fun until it isn't right you buy your NIT. It goes up to 80s sold 100s sold I mean if you're lucky it gets that high but sometimes it only gets to 10 or 20 or whatever and then all of a sudden you lose your bags and you wish you sold the top so now I
I totally get it. You mentioned we've all had our fair share of liquidations. I can attest to that. I've gotten liquidated before, but it wasn't on Binance for me. It was on Kucoin. I was trading Avax and then the market, that's like literally when the market crashed.
It is what it is. You can't go to sleep whenever you're trading, right? It feels weird. It feels bad. You're like, "What has something happened? I have to watch this." But I totally feel that for sure. So it's definitely been a change of pace to... Oh, go ahead, go ahead.
Yeah, and like but like at some point I was like, you know what I want to Like at some point when I started the the cake goes projects I started like we started having some issues which most
community we're having early on like you know scambots like raids like there wasn't as many services back then as there is now so you just kind of had to like whatever
you whatever issue you see you have to build the solution for it. So that's when I was like, okay, maybe I can start building something. I'm actually a
in real life, I work in the ambiden service that's like in Doha in Qatar where the FIFA World Cup is being held.
That's my career, but I'm all into tech and programming, and this is my passion. I'm almost finishing my master's degree in healthcare and formatics.
because I just want to switch completely to the tech.
so building the like I started building a box for the
products or the most life-changing product I made because it's got big it got big while the while the more
market was still booming. And I still, like, even until this day, like from that day until now, I don't remember that I took a day off.
like ever like it was like five, 10, eight hours a day. Just see like whenever you encounter something, whenever you see a problem and they were plenty back then.
Then you just build that build a solution for us.
Yeah, for sure. And that's kind of one of the cool things about being in an industry that's so new. Right, is you get to be a part of that first set of solutions, you get to be a part of that initial innovation. And that's what makes it
an artist or whatever you might be doing. So I'm curious, how did you know or how did you first, so you have a career in health, right? You said you're a paramedic in guitar. So I'm curious, how did you discover programming?
I'm like, you know, it's been a long time since I was, I wanted to learn like a proper programed language and start actually making a product or like something, but then I'm
kind of a person who learns the most when they don't like go watching courses and stuff, but like when you actually get something and build it and you just learn along the way. And I had some knowledge with Python at the time, but then
And I started with a simple stuff because back then, my project was just a security bot.
And it was just like in Python, mainly as long as you have an idea and you can articulate it in a way, then you can make something.
I started from there and it changed my life. All the time I wanted to learn programming and then, but this was the way. This paved the way
to like get into programming and getting into like all the technicalities of it. And I'm really proud of how it shaped up so far.
Yeah, that's awesome. So you you kind of just started with Python. I know some people start with Java and JavaScript. I started my programming journey with Python as well. And once you first learn that that language, especially something like Python, you can start trains.
So, you said that when you started programming, you
this or I guess in Web 3 when you started programming you made a bot so you made the nifty bot which you just started you had some kind of partnership with Jordan Capital so I'm interested in telling me a little bit about your partnership in Jordan Capital and how you how that started
Okay, so like from the moment I started building the bot until now, like at some point it was going in like maybe like 50-55 servers, which isn't a lot, but back then I
at the height of the market, it was really good. But then, like, you know, the market turned around and then I think
Not since like the geckos and then. I got hit in the slow pack.
like the slope wallet hack.
and they just drained it like every last bit of it. So that was the face to go through, actually. But I just kept building through that.
at the time, I was just like the only person doing like development, marketing, support, because like people,
I'm almost always responsive. Like, whenever they like, can you make this, can you make this? And I'm like, oh yeah, sure, we can make it.
And then we do it and it's pretty good, it's chill.
It's like it got harder. It's got harder doing all of that.
especially after the slow pack because like you know there's like running costs you need nodes providers you need proxies you need like some infrastructure and it was hard just
supporting that after the hack. So one of my friends was in this DAO called the droid capital.
And he was like, "Yeah, you know, I know these guys, they're chill. I saw them about you, they're pretty excited. You want to have a talk." And I was like, "Yeah, sure." And so I joined with them. And it's like, it's more of a partnership where like,
They handle the business direction, the marketing, the support for the bot, or the whole product. And I get to just focus on what I love doing, which is developing things and creating things.
And it's good because they have some business sense. They know what works, what doesn't work. They know what's needed now in the market. So because I'm the kind of person who gets excited about the idea and just goes and codes it in a day.
but like sometimes that doesn't work. Sometimes you need to know if...
The idea that you want to create is actually useful. Like people actually want to use it. It's useful in this market.
And that's kind of the thing that they brought in.
So I can just focus on developing things.
they like they said okay we'll cover like the running costs and we'll cover these kind of things and you can just focus you can just do your thing and we'll just
So like we did some rebranding so an iftybot is now called radar which like the count is radar web 3
It's called @RadarWeb3. And we just, like we almost just finished the rebrand for the bots.
just gonna start scaling this.
Yeah, that's really tough.
Oh, you can continue. I was just going to let you know that I am in a snowstorm right now. So my I may be lagging in and out and may cut you off on accident. So definitely. Yeah, go ahead. No problem. So like there was there was really supportive.
But like, and the bot like really stabilized since we joined and it was just it has just matured because like they tell me what works they tell me what doesn't work and I just can like you know as
someone who has an idea, like the best gift somebody can give to you is telling you that you're wrong. So you can just go and fix it, see it succeed, and then everybody's happy.
Yeah, for sure. I think it's really interesting is you built this whole bot, largely alone, right? You made this bot off of your ideas, your creativity, and your desire to innovate and solve problems. But the problem with doing something alone is sometimes you
What implications does this have on the space? How can this help people? You lose that macro of skill. That's where this George Capital partnership is able to offer you. You get an additional team and they have maybe a little bit more business acumen or they understand marketing or the
the state of the market, right? And it just, it exemplifies, or sorry, it magnifies what you're able to do as a creator. It lets you address more current problems and be able to kind of be there for people. So I think that's been awesome. I think that's a fantastic experience. So one thing I am curious
I'm curious about is you said you did work the World Cup. Tell me more about that. I'm interested in learning what your experience was at the World Cup. Oh, so I work in like in Qatar, there's a government corporation for the Amazon service.
So I work here as a as a paramedic and the dispatcher. So like we do these kind of things. And during the FIFA, we were working like almost 240 hours a month.
for the past two months, which finished like literally two days ago.
So I was doing like 12 hour shifts almost every day for the past two months because like here the population is like 3 million or something and then you had almost a million
and like 1.1 and 1.1 million people just flood in the country. So it was like you had to be prepared for that.
Yeah, I would go right, go right, go. Doing kind of like both like programming and
like programming, doing maintenance, keeping things working for the past two months, but now I'm going to have more time to do it.
So would you say it's been, I know it's been particularly rough these past two months because the World Cup and what's going on there, but has it been easy to juggle the work-life balance between being a paramedic and being a developer? Like how have you been doing that? Oh, there's no such thing as a work-life balance.
In that job, it doesn't exist. The good thing is that normally on the outside of the FIFA, I mostly work in the business intelligence department of the ambulance service.
like through learning the bot and through learning programming and everything. It was like it was recognized that I have these skills. So here like instead of working all the time on the ambulance I get to like work in the doing the day of
and doing analytics and doing all of that stuff. But during the FIFA, like everybody got pulled into the field because there's so much pressure the ambulance service has to deal with with all these people coming in.
Yeah, it must be quite the change of pace from what you're used to, but it's definitely interesting that you mentioned that from your side project that is working on this Discord bot, you're able to basically change, slightly change your profession, right? You move from
Being on the ground boots on the ground paramedic in the ambulance to being a more data focused person right you're working with data you're working with numbers so I think that's awesome right not very often do you do you get these kind of promotions or or you move positions of course
to what you do in your free time. I think it's awesome that you're able to move horizontally or vertically, not sure what that really looked like for you, but I think that's super awesome. You did say you're finishing a master's program in medical
What did you tell me so what is your plan like what is your plan over the next couple years after you get your degree like I always
I always had a thing for tech, even before this job I was doing something related to like, I was kind of an IT manager for the past, for the two years before I got here, which is like I got here in 2020.
for like the refugees for like a refugee projects with a UNHCR. So like I was always involved in the tech just couldn't like find like found myself studying something related to
So like before it was like when people would hire me in these kinds of positions, it would be because they know like that I have these text skills along with my medical knowledge. But I wanted to take this master's degree and already
to make the switch officially. So when you want to work directly in a tech position, you have to have some credentials. So this was the way. The good thing is that
I always wanted to learn these courses and learn these skills. But you start and you buy the course, you start a little bit and then you stop and then you haste.
get depressed and you try again and again. But like when I had the box, like when I started building this, the good thing is that like you don't get to learn the boring stuff. Like I want to make this, how do I make this? And you just go
and go and research how to make it and then you just make it and then you get rewarded like you know like when the salana bull market like whenever you did something like if you just did anything just participate in any way
It was really rewarding. Getting the skills from there helped me so much that I just can't turn
my ideas into reality. So now that I like and with this like with this degree and the skills that I got with the bot, I can like make the switch
Yeah, for sure. I think it's interesting. I went to an event not too long ago during, I guess it was the tail end of the bull market. I went to Austin Hacker House and I talked to a lot of developers. There must have been 50, 60 deaths. I didn't talk to that many, but I talked to maybe 20 people.
In every single dev I talk to, I asked them what their college education was, none of them were from software engineering, none of them did software engineering programs, which I thought was so interesting. All of these developers are kind of self-taught. And I think that's so awesome because
because whenever you teach yourself that way, you really learn because of your passion for the subject. You learn because you're interested. You learn by doing. And I think that's one of the big disadvantages of some of these professional college educations. But I do want to ask you a question.
From this side project and the new master's degree you'll be taking, do you think there would have been any advantages to doing a traditional computer science program in college or do you think you're just as good or better off by kind of taking the
you have taken. I think like every time I think about it, I'm like like when I when I learn something new or like sometimes you like the more you learn, you know like like I'm a developer but I'm also an
When you learn something on your own, it's kind of different than when you learn it systematically.
And that's the drawing they did like.
last week or like the last month and they were like what the hell is this this patrocyte and it's kind of the same with programming like I found out I found out it's kind of the same with artists with
a long time ago and it works, it's just atrocious or it's like it's so inefficient and then you just rewrite it with your like the experience that you gain since writing that and then it's so satisfying to see it
like run better faster. But like you think that if you learned things systematically, like there's, you know, there's like some design patterns, there's some knowledge that really makes it easy to apply.
your thoughts at scale. That kind of thing you don't learn if you're self-taught, like depending on... Like if you, if you're self-taught and you go on courses and stuff, yeah, you'll learn that and it'll be fine. But like if you don't use courses and you just...
learn by doing it's different. I think if you go if you get a degree it's useful but like there's a lot of you know as college that's how colleges work. There's a lot of like theoretical stuff that just
doesn't help you. It just doesn't help you in the market. Like I don't think any like on the past three years, I don't think any college would push you to go through Web 3. Like you had to be in there, you had to be
among the people that are building things, amongst the communities getting in there, learning new things. I think if you just go with academia, then you just get used to the normy stuff.
some technical from the start, but like having the IT knowledge, the software knowledge and being able to program and then having some kind of
domain knowledge outside of that makes like it makes the skills you have more meaning because instead of just learning how to like program things and how
how tech works and everything. You're like, okay, how can this tech help me? Or how can this tech help people in their life? Like, let's for example, I studied medicine.
It saves lives. How can I help programming to make it easier? Because these days you go into the doctor or you go anywhere and they're all working with computers.
If the software and the tick that these people work with, not all of it was written by people.
people who know medicine and they don't know tech and the people who are technical but they don't know medicine.
So it's like when you have domain knowledge from both sides, it's such an asset for you in the market.
I don't think as a software developer you should only be software developing. You should.
like paid it with something else and figured out how to like solve real world problems through it.
And I don't think being in tech school gives you that. I think studying something else and then using tech as a tool to solve real life problems, that's the way. Yes, like I think I think it's
I mean, you hit the nail on the head, right? I think when you go to school, it doesn't make you any kind of specialist. It just gives you a skill set. Whenever I go to school for programming, it just gives me the hammers I need, right, or the screwdriver or whatever, but it doesn't give me the nails. It doesn't tell me how to put things together. It doesn't
make me specialize. It just gives you a general education that might help you in the future and you have to acquire that. So I think that's what's so fascinating about being self-taught is you start with the specialization. If you become a Web 3 dev, maybe you learn on-chain programming or Discord bots or maybe you learn
how to use a Twitter API. And that's all stuff that other programmers might not learn until three years in right after working at a software firm for who knows how long. You know, so I think it's like gorilla learning and that's what's so awesome about that for sure. But we are coming up to 30 minutes. It has
been awesome talking to you no more or be wings I've been calling you be wings and I hope that's okay but I do have one or two questions for you and I have I am sorry I have been going through the snowstorm I'm lagging in and out so I apologize if I'm gonna cut it out
I'm going to go ahead and ask you one last question and we can go ahead and wrap it up. So, be wankst, I know you've had a long track
I'm not sure if you're interested in the future of the web series, but if you had to start over in Web 3, would you do anything differently?
I think I would have capitalized on a lot of things. If I could go back, I would capitalize on a whole lot of things that I didn't capitalize on. For example, people always, when I
Because I was in Mededraggo Dow for a long time. They were really supportive of me.
And people there were always telling me like you should mint you should do a mint you should do a mint you should do a mint and I'm like now man like I don't believe I think this is more like a service point
Don't want to like, ment out and just cash the money and then like...
I don't want to just get them into money and just sit down. But I think I should have, because it would have given me a platform
like you know there's the you have the sole
Next see I think and a couple of others who did it and It's like if you have if you have an opportunity in Web 3 like as long as you're not ripping people off you
should take it and I should have taken that chance and the other thing is I should have found some kind of team to belong with and just because doing this alone hasn't been easy at all.
So I would just capitalize on much more things and like just find a community community to belong with and just build things together instead of just
I think in Web 3 you can just solve things. It's not scalable, it doesn't work. You need support, you need technical support, you need people who are in tune with the markets.
And you need people to help you when things are rough.
Yeah, absolutely. Be wanked. You need a team. You need that support system. You need those group of people who you can depend on and they'll help you grow. They'll help you diversify your skill set and they'll help you be a better you, right? And that's that's what's
That's important. It is extremely important. And I definitely agree with being opportunistic, right? Take that risk, take that jump, do that thing, and you never know where you'll end up. I mean, where's key scenario you learn something new, right? So always take that risk, always take that risk.
opportunity. But Omar, be wankst. Thank you so much for your time today. I did appreciate having our conversation learning more about you being a paramedic and how you don't have quite the best work life balance or at least everyone in that industry doesn't. We talked a little bit
more about your bot than if you bought in your partnership with Joy Capital. We also talked about education and what it means to learn in Web 3 and learn by doing. But once again, thank you for this conversation. I appreciate learning from you. Do you have anything you want to add before I go ahead and wrap things up?
Ask tell people, check out my bot, check out like radar or an ift bot.
It's all of it. It doesn't need you to set things up. You don't need to submit hash list to configure things or wait for people to set it up for you.
And it's all like my thinking while building it was that discord is the first
it doesn't like multi-signature rate to earn it has like peer to peer escrow and it's all within discord you don't have to go out of discord to do it I'm proud of it and I think
for you. And it's for you to try. So give it a shot.
I'll definitely be checking out the if the bot I did do my fair share of DD before our conversation, but it is an awesome bot I do recommend everyone check it out, but be wings. Thank you so much for being here. This is making time the space for creators by creators. It was awesome learning more about you being a dev your experience in web
And thank you, thank you, thank you for your time. I do appreciate that. We will have another making time tomorrow, tomorrow at the same time, 1.30 pm, CST, 7.30 pm, UTC. We will be talking to Jacob Sol, the co-founder of Trust Labs. And we'll be asking him about his experience in Web 3.
well. So Omar, Bewinks, everyone in the crowd, Jericho, St. D. Sam, I do appreciate you guys learning more about Bewinks, taking your time out of your day for that. And I will be closing this space now. So thanks once again, and I hope you guys have a fantastic rest of your day. Bye bye. Thanks for it. Thanks everyone. Thanks for