Hello and welcome. You are a little bit early. We're going to wait a couple of minutes and wait for Jericho to get here and then we should be able to start at 530 on the dot. But once again, thanks for being here. I appreciate you.
Hey guys, looks like Jericho is running a little bit late, so we might not start at 5.30 on the dot. But once again, I do appreciate you guys being here.
Yeah, as soon as you get here, we should be good to go. So once again, thanks for showing up and we'll have a good show. Thank you.
I hope we're like Leon, well, I'm actually that's amazing timing. Let me actually bring you guys up here, both you and Jericho. Let me see here. Jericho, you need a place and then really quick on the mic.
Let me bring Leon up here really quickly. Yeah, yeah, you can go and say whatever you need to Okay, okay Actually god god damn it. I don't know if I should I once it
Leon is now a good time for you my man. Um, hey, you can hear me? Yeah, we can hear you. Good talk. Yeah, good good. Sorry, I thought this was my space today. I'm trying to find my earbuds.
Yeah, I mean we can do today. I mean if you want to chat for 30 minutes, we can totally still do it today. Wait a minute. I fucking I know you Leon. You know what? Yo, this is Leon space. This is Leon space. I know you Leon. We need to hear from you Leon. Sure guys. Yeah, yeah. Let's do it.
I can't find my AirPods things. Then you speak to a, then you pitch something the Gary Vee live? Oh, I take Gary Vee? No, not the Gary Vee. I've been pitching at Salona Hacker Houses the last several months.
Yeah, I was at the Austin Hacker House. I was not as a builder though. I was there like talking to the startups. But yeah, like, sorry, I can't mute my phone for some reason. So it's nice. I'm constantly
on the things is we're just kind of weird. Technical difficulties. Dude it's alright it's what it is. If you want to leave and come back and maybe see if that all fixes, we got time. Yeah yeah let me try that. Alright no worries.
Yeah, for everyone in the audience, we were having scheduling issues earlier. There's some little bit of confusion, but looks like Leon was able to make it to today's space.
We were gonna have an emergency speaker that is HV Jericho, but I think we might not need Jericho, but Jericho, you're free to stay on stage if you wish. Just up to you.
I think it's okay. I'll move down as a listener. I don't want to steal Leon's spotlight. By swear to God, Leon, I thought I saw a video of you pitching a Gary B positive or maybe one of your team members. I don't know.
Your profile seems very familiar to your banner.
you're going to be able to do that.
which is like track everything on all these other kind of little build on slowly things that I need a portfolio to do. But we're also going to build this build it to be kind of way more engaging.
and social and gamified and like what's the reason right for always like young new investors that went through to come back to that like every single day. Because in my opinion looking at you putting it for every single day will benefit you over the long term.
It's not about like looking at it every day, it's a major change, right? It's just to act alone. I'll go kind of back every single day. We'll benefit someone as an investor. But yeah, so that's what we're doing. That's what we're building.
Yeah, that's awesome man. Thanks for the synopsis. I appreciate that. I will so we did transition straight into to the content I do need to run my intro really quickly This is making time. This is a daily show held by the syndicate network where we highlight creators that's a space for creators by creators how they're today we will be having Leon
on the show. He is doing a bunch of awesome stuff in the space and you just heard about Moon Holdings, right? It's a portfolio app, super awesome, super innovative. And we'll have some time for you to talk more deeper about Moon Holdings. But I am interested in learning more about you, Leon. So my first question for you.
is going to be what got you into up three. I'm wondering if it was taking a week three as in like NFTs and stuff like that. That was actually fairly recent but I've been a crypto investor since 2013 but I sold everything in 2014.
I got back into it in 2017 when I realized, oh wow, yeah, like the bear market was over and something something is different. There's a new bull cycle starting. So I was into ICOs back then, flipping those. So I guess the
That's kind of like an early conformable work piece sort of. But then, yeah, I think for me, we're talking about NFTs and what three. Like I started seeing it in early 2021, but back then I was actually still
I was trading, I was still accumulating coins, I was accumulating Bitcoin at Darium. I was actually buying some money at $3 just because I heard about it once on a Kereroz podcast, and it totally once, like in 2018. And it's just various coins, right? Like I was getting a little pocket idol, a cosmo, it's just kind of
I was like, why would you pay 5k? These are pixel, I missed the board apes. I did buy some NFTs
just for art because they're all kids. I actually like this with this pretty cool looking but I didn't actually get it until like August 2021 when the D-108 Academy was going on and it just a few of my friends were in a space and I was like yeah interesting let me jump in and
It was about the Gen Apes, lots and lots of the guys were on there. I went to the website and I was like, "Ooh, I like these Apes, these 3D Apes actually look nice." I'll admit to a couple. I remember that meant to happen. It was like August 13th or something like that.
But like so many people were trying to admit that the website crashed. And this quarter, like everyone was hangry and raging. I was like, no, I didn't see that as garbage. I saw that as a bullish. Like there's so much demand that could go emotionally affected, right?
They relaunched the website the next day and it crashed again and they get it just like the depression of build up right and the man like it had like 10x and Finally got some help from Salada and they finally like we built the site a little bit and you know just just told how to
actually upgrade and scale. So it launched, I was actually streaming this too. I was streaming with some friends and I instantly got it. The second I was able to connect my wallet and he was able to emit one. I was like, no, I don't want to emit just one. I want to emit like 20 of these guys.
But yeah, so like that that was kind of like my first foray into I would say a team and and yeah and waltry
Yeah, that must be quite the experience. I mean, a lot of people, their first friends are rock, right? So you had kind of the exact opposite experience. You meant to go into one of the most legendary collections on Solana, right? DGNA. And that in itself is an of experience, right? Now there's like the exile they have, they got help from Solana Foundation, right? Like it's helping interest
So you didn't mention you've been around in crypto for a while, right? You participated in ICOs and things like that. You bought some polka dot Cosmos, you invested some alt points. So what got you into crypto originally? Was it someone who was in the
in particular that inspired you or did you just kind of stumble upon it? Oh, 100%. So now I was going to weigh back in time. It was in 2013. You know, I was in the podcast like Tim Ferriss's stuff like that. But they weren't talking about crypto. They were talking about this, this pill called Provisual or Medaphimale. So it was a basis for the
movie, the limitless pill. So I was like, oh, interesting. I want something like that because you know, I was a developer and I want something that will help us focus on all this. And well, I found a website that was selling it. It was in India, but it only took like a wire transfer or like Bitcoin. So I was like, well, I don't want to do a wire transfer
from my banks, let me figure out how to get this weird bitcoin token. So I forget which place I found to use it. But I found a website I can buy it for like $88 a coin. So I bought like, I think I'll need like one or two big ones. I got the
I actually worked. It was like, "Oh wow, yeah, this is like super focused." So I was happy with that. So I used it for about four months. And then, as early as, yeah, let me refill. So about four months later, I was looking at what the same website. And this time, like one big client
was $127. I was like, "What the hell?" At that point, I didn't care about the pill anymore. I was like, "Why did Bitcoin go up in value?" What the hell is Bitcoin? I started googling about Bitcoin and back then. In the early days, you could literally read and
watch every single thing about one point which he's crazy to say now like you can't do that over one like a deep project but uh so I went to the the the hospital and meet up just a little meet up in downtown Dallas like six people and yeah I did blew my my way was with what uh they said Bitcoin was
So I did more research, like again, those are the guys on the YouTube. I watched every single video that he had to learn more, as it was actual digital money. So yeah, that's how I learned about crypto.
Obviously in 2013 we saw like you know Bitcoin go from $100 at thousand 11 hundred dollars like a little literal 10x like Insane right and didn't know anything about tops or technical analysis or overbought and stuff like that And now gocks happen right among gocks was like that
the X of back in the day. There's also the silk road that happened to the silk road guys got shut down 2014 I think. So all that drama happened and then we saw like you know Bitcoin crashed like 95% and you know we're telling you want to buy Bitcoin is like five-hour blocks and like all this and like back then
like the population was so small that we were just picking quiet. It was 2014 and 2015 that I was a boring quiet bear market. It's not like a bear market now which seems like a bull market back then.
It feels like it happened in the 1950s, but it was only like a handful of years ago, right? It's like less than a decade ago. That's what's crazy to me about some of these OG Bitcoin stories. Time flies in crypto, you know, in Web 3. But I think that's interesting.
particularly interesting that you learned about Bitcoin because you're trying to get the limitless pill which I think is pretty funny I think that's a pretty interesting origin story so You said your background is did you say your background is a developer? Yeah, yeah, I've been developer for like 17 years or 15 years
years, some like that. I was actually a designer early on. But yeah, like after a couple of cycles of investing in crypto man, I built up a nice stack of coins. In 2021, I was like, I was like, I'm going to come. So COVID happened too. It was a good
code happen and doing the bounce back and the printing of the bed printing. I actually taught myself how to trade options and stocks because I was part of the dumb money community who was led by Chris Camilla, one of the best investors of all time. So, you could
If you, if you were stocks in 2020 after the COVID printing dude, like everything was going on, it was insane. And then if you're in options like, like, you see, you know, three to five X at 10 X, you're money then, right? So I was doing well on that. It was just good
time of there and then I got identities like it like he was the same like in August right like dude it seems like like like it was much longer ago but it just August of actually no now August of two years ago not not one year ago but I did not sleep for like
like straight up like two months dude. He was insane. I was like streaming like four times a day and like working a job and actually in September I did the whole thing of like getting two deaf jobs at the same time only because I had a friend who told me he was doing two jobs at the same time. I thought it was crazy.
But then like six months later I mean him again and say he's doing he told me he's doing five jobs at the same time I was like what the freak dude okay if you do five I can do two right so Like that was an insane insane fall dude cuz like like I started like that those two dare jobs at the same time on September and like it was a nerve-wracking
September, man. I was like, is he nervous for the first month, but after getting the hang of it, you know, like the meetings and stuff like like like the next, the next month, he was like, oh, this, this five, but I discovered like entities at the same time, like I was insane, like, literally, I was not going to sleep dude, like I was in Twitter's bases constantly at discord, like, dude, that#
This is how insane things were. Because like, what D10H happened, it was $44 a slona. Again, I saw it in the scene rise in the last year because I was buying it three bucks. And I was like, what the fuck? It's like $44 now. Because everything else was going out, which was good.
The money printing and all that is the less checks but like when Dejan ape Academy happened that was like two day event It was a $44.88 like the market cap vote for a lot of that there's like 10 billion went to 22 billion like literally 10 billion overnight guys like that that was insane
I was trying to take Chris Camilla and everyone and knew what they'd do. There's something going on here. It's just crazy. I got to continue doing buying entities on Ethereum, but mostly I was doing a lot more buying on Slana.
I was talking to the monkey guys, I was like, okay, what's up with these monkeys? Like the hundred and three salana convinced me, Jimmy convinced me on the Twitter space, but this howdy at 103 when salons like two, fifty years into the, but like, it was just no
like like like like the golden arrows salon right and then that December it was an enemy Miami or actually it was art basil but I slide down there and like a million degen the synonym at city right so it wasn't just like art basil it was like crypto-bout crypto
Utopia and like all the parties dude and me all the way through friends and person like You know, I was only several yacht parties I actually started doing some seed investing at that point I was like investing like you know like a hundred gay here a hundred key there like different entity projects was by the way Terrible like like didn't never do
do that right? You were again to see an investing where you started like 25k checks. That was so dumb. Definitely rub myself a few times. But yeah, I don't just many daremola in person. I actually met Jack Sheed, you know, Nexus Ruger. Like she rent like a yacht for 15k.
So we're on there like just hanging out, but I got to see Mack and other monkeys. But anyways, dude, like amazing, where there are amazing people, like the food, I was walking through the street, I hit people talking about getting their new DNS domain name or something like that behind me.
And then flying back to Dallas, like transitioning back to like, you know, like my dual jobs and one guy was like, hey, yeah, you're ready to re-factor this old no-JS code, dude, my soul drop. Like, I didn't have meeting, I was like, fuck, nasty.
like he was he was that you mean me like I'm done right like I literally I quit that job the next day and then the second job the longer job like it is the same thing like I was done like I was done the whole year like I do my
do it anymore. It was that soul second. They didn't want to be learned Java. I'm like, "Yeah, I'm learning I'm freaking Java." Like I'm done too. I quit both those jobs. I'm within a week period. I went full time out with three.
That actually transitions beautifully into the next version I was about to ask you. So you've been in crypto for in DeFi and all of that for quite a while and you were doing that while working these two jobs as a software engineer. So my question for you is like you just mentioned kind of how you you ended up quitting and then going full-time web
But how did you transition from going from a dev into being a Web 3 founder itself? Like what did that process look like? Oh 100%. So I think from most devs, especially if you have a long enough career and you work at startups, that should be kind of like your
If I was a chef and eventually I would want to open my own restaurant. I think that's the same kind of thing. If you're a developer and you build up enough, hey, if you have an idea, you have the skills and know how and experience it. You're like, okay, this is what a team looks like.
But this how you get service set up like let's build something right So I would say in that sense it was it was pretty easy to do and if you work at startups you get to see like okay, like how the fundraising thing works out right and like you see like your boss going and trying to raise money and well what is what a seed round means
So you get a seed round that like what what a what an a round means and what that so then so just just working at a tech startup kind of gives you a little bit of like yeah, you know like not everything but like you you're in an environment you experience it and it's normal for you so it's not like we're it right now also work
corporations and that's a different deal. You just like just a number of the wall and you just there to feel like some little row. But yeah, yeah, transitioning to be a natural like a founder. It's like because I did like developing, I like coding, but I like, I guess I was
I was done my path like coding for someone else. It's like, no, not I want to code something for me, but just not just for me, but like I actually built a version of moon holdings like a couple of years ago. It was a portfolio app. And I was just using a free API, which ran out eventually. You know, I went back to using my
Google spreadsheets. I go to a corner market, I was blocked folio, I should dash, like all the different portfolio apps. I always come back to my Google spreadsheet.
I want to build something. Now that I'm in Web 3 and there's like, I've met so many new young investors like every single cycle by the way, like you have a better market, a bull market, every bull market, you get a new influx. So maybe it's like 10 exercises of the last cycle of users. And this cycle, we just
So many young people, so many people who weren't like gamblers and ex-doc traders and tech bros and stuff like that. There's more women, more college kids and like they're just new to investing. It's like, well let me build a map that will help them, help them want to try
out that before you're ever single day. So yeah, that's what we're building. What was that original question? Sorry. Yeah, I mean, you more or less hit, um, what my question was, which was kind of like, how did you do that transition? And it's pretty obvious, right? Like you, you as a developer, you have the experience and you've seen
when it's like to to create a startup and then you just apply that knowledge into Web 3. And you're talking about how you had this wallet thing that you built on your own before and you're like, "Why don't I just do it here?" Right? And that's what led you here. But you did bring up something that I thought was super awesome. In this most recent cycle, a whole lot of young people
came into the space and I can definitely attest to the truth that I'm one of them. I was in college and now I pursue web 3 full time and it's definitely been an experience for these young people coming into the space to adapt and learn more about what's going on in crypto and in NFTs and in DeFi. So a question I would ask you is what advice would you
have for young people coming into the space, whether they be investors or just trying to understand the culture. Oh, yes, 100%. Like, like, if I could talk to my 20 year old self, like, it would be invest, invest, invest, and we get tired of it, invest, it's some more. Like literally, like, like, my, my, my,
I was like, "I was like crazy guy in the office telling people to buy a big one, but it was 200 bucks." And here's the thing, I want the 200 bucks, but I should have freaking looked like done 50% of my paycheck, right? Like if you're young and you're
have conviction and you see like Blingat like it's fricking obvious to me right like my gen X boomer fans you don't get it still it's like guys guys crypto is the next financial system whether they're not getting it in their thick crusty heads like like like oh wow why would I do this slow do like like the internet you
to be slow too, bro. And now to hit on that, you cannot have a global world without hitting it. Like, but that's what crypto is going to be. Now, obviously, what are you going to do? You like eat it's so freaking simple. Like number one, number two is right there. Like it's in here. Like just by pick it up there. Now people, what's number three?
I think that's just from the organic adoption I've seen being on the ground. In terms of developers and users and building, there's some crazy things going on that's lost 95% of the data.
It's just straight lies. I've been going to all these high grasses, seeing them in person, like 3000 down is alone and lives, but I could have afforded to make it there. But anyways, what was a, you know, advice for 20 year old. So basically, like,
I have to people, you're not going to remember over 50% of the people in the 20s. So I would recommend skipping out a few parties. Instead of buying some new clothes that go to the club, literally put that into one of those three coins I mentioned.
like or just just a dastman just invest like if you were just a faking just buying a spy you know that's the p500 dude you know but I would recommend like like if you could put money in spy put in a Bitcoin or a dairy am and sala and don't stop like literally it is not about
trading back then. It's just literally every single paycheck and your yom so you're going to afford to eat ramen a lot longer your body can take it. So like obviously like maybe it's a rice vegetables or something but like be healthy and just eat
like literally like like money like like start looking at money as energy. Don't look at it. It's like, oh, this is something some company gives me every once in a while. I use the buy like foods and shoes and stuff like that. Like no, no, no, it's energy. So the more energy you have, it's easier to make more energy. So the more
money, yeah, it's just money makes more money. So you have to look at it as a power that you can wield, right? And like, and start thinking of yourself as an investor too. And that doesn't one of the biggest goals with moon holdings, right? It's like, it's not just, oh, yeah, it's a portfolio ad, I'm trying to shit. No, no, it's like, I want to help.#
reach change someone's identity as a competitive investor like oh I see these other verified portfolios like I want to flip I want to flip this guy you know I want to go up I even know I don't know who he is but there's way more on that coming but like but yeah think of yourself as an investor in like I don't know you
You've got like 20 bucks a week, you can pretty invest with, but invest in entire 20 bucks. And then like skip, you know, going to a club like like once a month and okay, take that like 100 bucks or whatever it is to put that into investing. Like don't stop like Leroy is like like the entire life. That would be my advice.
Yeah, for sure. And I think it's super valid. And investment you make now can have 10x or 100x. Like who knows, dude, even if you put it in the spy, right, it appreciates dramatically. And it protects you against things like inflation and other things that might devalue your wealth. Right. And yeah, so you didn't mention something.
I thought was pretty interesting. You said, "Look at your money as energy." I agree with that. I think that's a very important thing to understand when it comes to currency and how people view it and where they should be putting their money. My question for you is,
After all this time of being a dev and having all your web to background in your real life, how did you get to the point or what did it take to get to the point to see money that way? Or just in general, like just as Leon as a person.
What did it take to get you to see money as an energy? I think Larry was Bitcoin man. As a developer, the middle of my career is over six figures. That's no role for a senior developer.
or even like a mid-tier developer, right? So, I think at the top, my high seller was like 135k at one job, right? But not just money, right? Like, I mean, a paycheck, sorry. So, paycheck was coming in, and I was spending the entire thing on a weekend. Like, you so dumb, dude.
I'm going to go and try and press people that I'll never know in like 10 years, right? They were so dumb like they're going. And so it wasn't until Bitcoin where I started purchasing Bitcoin. I mean, I bought stocks before, but before this knowledge of Bitcoin, I treated stocks as like, oh, it's like a
stocks but it held his value over the years. That shifted new things. They don't really want to spend $500 on the club this weekend or should I put that $500 at Bitcoin and all of a sudden it's like $600 next weekend. It was that kind of shift.
like 50 bucks right? Do I want to buy any shoes for 50 bucks or put it in the like coin and like one we have 75 bucks and like you know but it was really it was Bitcoin Bitcoin just owning it kind of taught me all of the natural is all the investing like how to think about money and seeing
money as energy, like seeing it as, oh wow, this bar is growing. And because of that, you know, like, yeah, like I just want to, like keep growing that bar because later you can use that to to as leverage to do other things and like really expand. So, so yeah, I would say it's it's Bitcoin and owning Bitcoin.
Yeah, for sure. And for me, whenever I started understanding how this when I I actually started getting into stock investing and in options trading in the post COVID right when everything the stock market was was pumping with the V shape recovery. And you know, I was I was the Wall Street beds kind of person, but through burning
and getting burned and losing money and things along those lines, like I started to realize that. This is actually what's happening. The transaction that's happening here, my time for energy, my time for money, so on and so forth. We are getting pretty close to time, so I'm going to ask you two more
questions and then we'll go ahead and wrap it up. So my next question for you is, I know you've got a couple different projects you're involved with as an investor but you're mainly, you're the founder of Moon Holdings and I'm curious what is the most exciting part of working on Moon Holdings? Oh yeah, I would say
That is my baby. It's like I am the founder like first time being a like actual CEO of it. I mean, I guess I was a CEO of punk adventures, but that's different. But like yeah, it's like I'm building something right so I'm in my kitchen. I'm in my restaurant like I'm actually you know I've been buying des room remotely and I
and like, talk to them and explain my vision and we're working together, we've been working together for months. So it's a thing where it's like, you know, I get it's not a nine to five, it's like a 24/7, but like, you know, obviously you take breaks as normal, but it's just fun building it, right? I think there's a quote like
If you're a passion is also your work that's like that's that's so Much better to do right so yeah, I would say yeah, I'm joining right now is a startup right so does it quote? I think by Ben Horace that the emotions while you're you're building your own startup and running
you'll start up, they oscillate between like acceleration and like you wag me we're gonna make it right we're like god damn we're gonna be unicorn to like you know despair and terrifying like there's no middle ground dude it's cosy oscillating between those conversions whether it's worth it my opinion
Yeah, I can't relate to that more, dude. We built our own NFT projects and are now working on Syndicate and it feels like that, dude. It's like being bipolar, you have your mania, so you have your highs and then your highs are the absolute highest things and then your lows are the lowest lows ever.
It's not the easiest user experience
to keep up to date with what you have going on, whether that be with your portfolio, your crypto portfolio, or your NFT portfolio. So what you guys are doing, I think, is super, super awesome. So I'll ask you one last question and then we can go ahead and look to wrap it up. But I do want to say thank you guys.
Thank you everyone for coming to today's space making time as is a show for creators by creators where we highlight people's stories and learn more about them So Leon my last question for you would be if you had to start over in web 3 What would you do differently?
Well, 100%. So like if you're saying today, like, you know, like I'm working a regular job, I like I have no crypto no entities. Well, why would I start with like, you know, with my knowledge, I have in my brain right now, like realizing that this is a bear market and we're probably going to have a bunch of my
a market according to the cycle, I would only be buying the coins. I would be buying Bitcoin, Ethereum, and so on. Like hands down. Now, like you can go conservative, which would be mostly Bitcoin, and then some Ethereum and some so on. Or you can go balanced, like you go 333, or you can go hardcore, like
I think Salona is going to be out of tune. I am at right now, I'm in a lot of different places.
Yeah, like starting over I would buy the underlying coins. Now once you get enough coins and you understand what something is like, I also think that in my opinion, the D-gods are going to challenge Bordeaux, Yacht Club.
So with that knowledge, it's like, okay, with some of the coins I've accumulated, if I have enough for a D-god, then get a D-god, get a youth, right? Especially if I before they transition and go to, you know, when they go to an environment where the money is like, like, crazy.
crazy like higher right? There's a lot more e people with a lot more e than there are a lot of guys with slotted. So in my opinion, that's a goal of social arbitrage, like seeing a trend or a change that's coming up, we're just going to allow and ask that to appreciate higher because
certain factors were just clear as day, right? So like, I would do that. I'll be very like, like, very protective in a bear market. Like, like, don't gamble too much in a bear market. If you can do, if you can do things that can, like, give you a safe yield, like, not with some credit.
easy defy thing like literally using sharkify and being a lender on there even if you're lending like 10 soul you're still getting back more soul than if you staked it right that's the thing can I make more soul than staking but not you know obviously having to watch some crazy insane 200%
DeFi protocol and I got to know when the whales exit so I exit before the blows up. No, no, no, just just be a lender is archivized. So that's what I would do at just starting out like Larry and my whole thing of like you know not going out and just investing for multi years right?
like you just need two years guys and like I hate my opinion like this is the last bear market that will be most life changing for the most people because the next bear market I'm gonna talk about big ones over past a hundred two hundred thousand dollars now it crashes at sixty K or something like that you know and you have the same equivalent for ETH and it's a lot of
Yeah, for sure. And I think that's your valuable right it's just investing the main coins right and protect what you currently have and stake it and be a little bit more conservative right and if you do have the capital maybe buy some more blue chip NFTs like you it's like D gods maybe even Tio and some some these other big guys right so I would agree with you and I think it's
valuable information. We did have a question from an audience member. We'll go ahead and hit that and then we'll wrap up. Sam did ask, can you give us a brief summary of moon holdings and then do you have any available positions as something that can alpha test her? But 100% yes so yeah thanks for that question. So
Yeah, it brief, it is going to be a crypto web 3 portfolio app. It will start out heavily on Salona, but it will be multi-chain. But you will be able to connect your CFI wallet, so Coinbase, your Charles Swabby even, and Robinhood, and your Salona Wallets.
you'll be able to track multiple wallets at the same time you wanted to keep it like a different wallet. So a place to go see all the crypto, all the NFTs and not just that we have this feature called Rags and Badges as they'll come out later and basically is verified public portfolios. So that's the game of
If you find aspect of it and the challenge aspect of it will have random drops for like, you know, like accomplishing certain things and unlocking certain badges, you know, it could be just like a literal JPEG in a T or it could be some dust or monkey token or whatever or even some salana enough.
a lot of social sharing built in and a lot of challenges later on. There will be a mobile app and we will try this to connect the Metamass wallet later for Ethereum, DeFi and stuff like that. But yeah, that's what it is in the nutshell. And we will have an empty collection
that will give you discounts on the subscriptions that come later. And also the same thing with Sharks guys. So Sharks exploded from 2.5 to 20 something now because of the rev share future. And I definitely want to plan something very similar.
So yeah, by the way, to get the white listed is the easiest thing all you have to do is follow moon holdings. You know, maybe go there at Twitter so I can pin something. But join the discord and just make an account literally just make an account on moon holdings XYZ.
It's our early alpha, so it's a design that I designed and all you have to do is go in there and just add like one coin and put like some number in there and boom, here you are automatically a white list of just the deposits of screenshot like in a discord. And then yeah, so I'll collect you know we sometime in dropping in the Q1.
And that's what the AlvaTest will do. And we'll have a new website design as well, like a much more professional design and like, okay, wait, that's also going to come out in Q1. And being an AlvaTest, that means you're just early there, right? Like this is pretty
beta. Like beta is almost like, you know, like an amateur fighting in MMA, like just one step to production. But alpha means like, you know, there's going to be bugs and you're helping us like fix all this. So yeah, that's how you get the alpha test to roll and whitelist.
Awesome, thank you for that Sam. If you ever have any more questions you can DM me or DM Leon and we can probably get those squashed for you. But Leon, thank you so much for your time. This was Making Time with Space 4 Creators by Creators where we highlight creator stories in the space. Before I go ahead and wrap up this space you have anything you want to add Leon.
Yeah, yeah, I'll say okay like 13 times maybe looking bleak out there guys, but like I've seen this several times before Just keep accumulating ignore the fun like like in bear markets the people just get extra like toxic it just ignore all that
nonsense, use that as like okay something bad come on okay cool I'm gonna buy it and just like you know like invest what you can afford to lose and just like think about long term right think about the next cycle of 2020/20/25 where do you want to be positioned
If Bitcoin hits this price if your theorem hits this price, it's a lot of hits this price right so But like come up with those targets yourself. We're gonna come up with accumulation goals yourself and And I bet I'm only as well with that too. So yeah, that does that's my piece of
Absolutely. And Leon, thank you for taking the time out of your day to come on making time and tell us more about you. It was interesting learning your experience from being a dev, a super experienced dev to buying Bitcoin through buying the the pill from the movie limit list, buying the limit list pill, and then
Taking that whole journey, right? I think it was very interesting learning about that and I really do appreciate what you're doing with moon holdings and I'm excited to see what the future for both you and your collection or business look like so once again Thank you guys for being here on this our show making time we do host this this show
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