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about an hour. And that will accommodate for me adding a little bit more to the intro, a little bit more to the outro, making the show a little bit more symbolic and having more called actions throughout the show. I think it's going to be quite fun to see the direction making time goes because it's kind of uncharted territory at this point when
it comes to Twitter spaces and I want to try some new stuff. I'm always down to try some shit out, you know, throw, you know, throw the metaphorical spaghetti at the wall and see what happens. But our guest for today, Hellboy has arrived. Hellboy, I will be out of here, my brother. And then we'll get this show on the motherfucking road.
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Dude I get you bro and dude Twitter Twitter's been it's actually been kind to me today. I don't know what happened Elon Musk must have posted some good memes for once and You know everything the stars are aligning and dude we're making it happen dude hellboy bro. It's fantastic to have you up here and
I did listen to your Mark Coulser interview yesterday. Dude, did you? Okay, so tell me if this is facts. Okay, so you book Spirit Airlines flew down to LA from wherever you're from and then did the interview and then flew back and you had layovers? Is that true? Is that actually what you did?
Yeah, so the whole story actually is, I got up at like 3 a.m. Take a spirit flight with a layover for four hours in Vegas, waited there at Wintel A, went to Mark Coster, shot the podcast, immediately got back on another flight
two Las Vegas for another four hour layover came back. Same day it was like a 24 hour to 28 hour trip and it was absolutely hell but it was worth it because we had a lot of things coming up but completely true story. I actually shot that podcast with like no sleep because I didn't sleep the night before because we had a development call.
been awake for like 40 fucking hours and I'm just glad like people enjoyed it because that was my biggest fear was I was too tired to keep it concise and shit so now bro dude it was a vibe but you definitely did something I don't think I will ever be capable of operating on that
a little sleep and having layovers and having to deal with airports and security. And yeah, dude, it's not friendly. Also being crammed into a plane, I get grumpy, bro. Like, there's no way. There's no way I would have kept my sanity. So no huge props for you for making that happen. But, hell boy, I mean, do you have any kind of questions for me before we go ahead and start the show?#
not, just like some appreciation to be honest, because I know you've been writing and doing a thing at New Age Founders and what we've managed to do in a short time. I feel like many people aren't privy to it and soon enough in the space, right? Like the fruits of our labor is going to come together when people start seeing the actual results of us getting
together and talking to the foundation and demanding but also supporting for better. So, and just like having a more positive and friendly environment and inclusive environment, one that doesn't isolate or ostracize individuals from gender group, whatever, you know, having them all included and accepted in a space where they can get the support they need, that's huge.
You know, just thank you for hosting those spaces of bringing the people together and being that pillar brother. I'm happy to be here. Dude, and I'm happy to have you, Hellboy. And thank you for being, you know, one of the foundational pillars of that movement. I am just, you know, the medium of conversation. So I'm just glad to be a part of it. Glad to make it happen. And I'm definitely looking forward to#
the future of that whole movement. But, Hellboy, thank you for being here, guys. This is Making Time. I'll show you by me HP Socrates on the Syndicate Network where we learn more about the people of Web 3 and why they are still here. And, guys, I will say that this is a Twitter space, so if we could really quickly
the top on the Jemotron. Press the little purple button on the bottom right-hand corner and jump a quick comment like and retweet on the space that would be much appreciated so we can get some more people in here today to learn more about Hellboy. There are a couple things I'll say before we go ahead and get started. One thing is this
conversation, any rant story, you know, anything along those lines, you know, whatever you want to say, go ahead and say it. This is 45 minutes for you, Hellboy. So, you know, uncensored, say whatever you got to say, my man, but Hellboy, without further ado, my first question for you would be, what got you into Web 3?
Yeah, so that's kind of a long-winded one. 45 minutes is great. I'll try to keep it short. Obviously, back at the very start, I kind of knew about the whole Bitcoin stuff going on. Never really got into it. Sometime later, when ETH was around like 200, 300, that range. I checked it out.
read all the documents on it but it was pretty cool. At the time, you know, super young, like begged my mom to invest in it and she used to do a couple grand on it and, you know, each exploded until like $1,000 dollars. Obviously, a screen that had a paper handed big mistake. But from there, like, I took each more seriously.
as a chain in what it was capable of. And I was really fortunate to be involved in the initial like DeFi and gaming boom. So I had some pretty big bags and axiomfinity, gods and chain. And from there, you know, I participated in that ecosystem join that community. I learned a lot of the things that were capable of blockchain
and from there I wouldn't get on board to Solana by Carlos. And after getting on board to Solana that's when I really started to learn about the community, the Twitter side, the NFT side of things rather than just the gaming and how the shit coins and all the stuff that you usually focus on on East. You know, dived into
to a bunch of different projects. I'm pretty sure like all of them rugged and found myself working on this project. That's like the TLDR of my journey through Web 3. Yeah, you mentioned you started, well you mentioned you started by begging your mom to buy a crypto which is definitely a little bit interesting. Are you
definitely hoping the bags run in your blood and that's just how it is. Sometimes you've got to onboard people to get to the space but you mentioned something a little bit more interesting to me which is you were originally here for that DeFi gaming side of the space and then you started to move toward that community center side right and that's
The first community I was ever a part of like was the jelly babies community, but that's not the one I want to talk about I bought in a jelly babies because that was actually my first interdiscipline I was playing at rollbit and Carlos was a featured rollbit streamer at the time and You know, he was like I just got this jelly baby one of one. It's got my teens Jersey on
it and I thought, "Do these things are so cute? I'm by 30 of these." Yeah, the guy rugged, but I was pretty active in that community. I made a Twitter, I started giving giveaways, and they were just doing those things, trying to, you know, imitate the things they saw around me. And then eventually I bought into this project called Cybercats. And Cybercats literally
changed the game for me. I was just active in the community and I bought like they just minted out and I think they went from like a .60 something mint to like .20 and so I bought like 30 of them right I just loved cats I loved the vibe I loved the pixel art and they shot up to like two-sole the next day
And this is like when Seoul was still like $110. So I was like, you know, ecstatic, made a bag. I was like, oh, this is great. This is amazing. And I really just wanted to be a bigger part of that community. So I started just like always being online, always answering questions, always just being like supportive and they moved me up to a moderate
I saw people whitelist hunting, moved up to the whitelist hunting role, eventually they made me a community manager. I just found myself really entrenched in that community. One night at 2 a.m., this guy defines. I guess OG is now.
This would be kind of like a new head stuff like OGs now might remember the Defiant rug were like 10 or 15 products just all got rigged at the same time because of liquidity pools got drained by this guy Who worked on a thing called Ragnarok Protocol, but basically Cyrocats' entire liquidity pool got pulled out and I had a really close relationship with
with the team at the time who were like, you know, we would never rug, we would only rug if we run out of funds and like we would never take any money for ourselves, whatever. That's a side's the point. So this rug goes down and everyone is in panicking and chat and so in my head like I was so deep in the movement
I was like, "Guys, nobody like our devs would never rug. This has got to be some rogue actor like fucking buy the floor." And before I knew it, this like fucking Twitter movement had kind of like started for the project. The floor was getting bought. It actually worked all the way up to like 3.54 sold.
And it started getting rugged at like two-cell. So this thing had just on its liquidity pool drained. And everyone in chat just spam and like, you know, make posts like we can't get rugged, wear cybercats, and the floors just pumping like crazy. Um, eventually the devs woke up like because they were on UK time.
And they announced like you had to find rugs we would never rug whatever and they pulled me into a call on discord and said hey, we wanted to give you a thousand dollars just of our own money to thank you because You had no reason to believe we wouldn't rug and we totally fucking could have and you put yourself on the line
for us. So I want you to be like, you know, head of community management, if you want to do that, and they'll pay me an NFTs, and here's just like $1,000 for being a fucking home. And so it really put me on to like, just wanting to give back to the space, because like I felt the impact, just sending a tweet, being
the discord being the person that like all these people talk to all the time can lead to an impact like this where it affected like the whole micro market of NFT. And when I realized that was possible I realized it's something I really wanted to be a part of. So I started you know moving on from that to working in other projects and eventually finding myself founding that cat. That's like the
TLDR, my first ever community. They rogged. I still have a lot of love for cybercats. I tried to do rug actually that project, but they never leave back with the update authority and anything. So little TLDR. Thank you for asking that question by the way. So I'm sure it's hard to argue bro. I got you all boy, but yeah man, definitely an interesting
story for sure. I think it's interesting how you worked your way into this space more or less. You said at one point you were a white list hunter and then you became a community manager and then you became active in this community. Even to the point of when these liquidity polls got drained, you took the initiative.
You aren't waiting around you say fuck it. Let's push something right these guys when you run let's build something out of this and that's capitalized on what would have been a weakness and make it a strength right and I think that's so so interesting and I'm interested in knowing hellboy have you always been that kind of person like have you always been this kind of go getter
Yeah, I think it's like it's weird because like I actually consider myself like an introverted social person like I'm very open to interacting with people But at the same time like I've never been a person who's like comfortable like Really putting themselves out there like many people notice about me like I'll post about bad cat on my own Twitter. I don't like to show as
I hate doing chill posts, I hate chilling in group chats and it's something that in this space I've learned and evolved into like being okay with like you know talking with other founders who run projects and they're like dude you should be proud of what you're doing. Be proud to say like here's bad cat like look at what we're doing take fucking notice and that's something working on this team is talking
is that there's a pride and there's a difference between sharing what you're doing and showing and it's in the pre-context of how people know you as an individual in this space. If you're just chilling all the time, it's so different. For me, it's like, I've always been a person who likes to control the environment around me, having a background in eSports.
music content creation all of these things I've always liked to take more of a controlling role into the processes of things and that's just the kind of person I am so when it comes time to like do something or step up to do something I really like being in that position at the same time like I don't consider myself someone who likes to
overly socialized. I like to be by myself working, progressing on something. And I find that you can only really do that effectively when that's the main focus of what you're doing. So it's a weird balance between having to be a kind of a go-getter and social and put yourself out there and take charge socially for
is just wanting to create over and over again and that's finding that balance is something Web 3 has given me. Like there's times for me to hunker it out and create and work and sweat equity and then a part of the word in this work and the sweat equity is being that social person, being active on Twitter, being active in the community, being a voice for people who don't have it. So on
I tell you a little bit of both. It's been there in parts and pieces and being in this space and being in the position I am has helped me bring it to a new level. Including especially in the eye relevance, just being accepted by people in this space when I see them for the first time in real life and they run up and they hugged me
or we dab up or you know it's just like they're so welcoming that has really taken me out of my shell to realize like you know take time to embrace people more and be comfortable with with who you are and what you're doing so yeah dude I feel that and you make you saying that makes me need a dab emoji
I don't know why I don't have a dapp me up emoji or something like that dude I need that not only on my phone, but you know on Twitter I think Twitter needs to give us a better selection of emojis that there are up for sure But you mentioned something that I think is pretty interesting which is you're talking about the idea of you like to be in control of your environment right?
I didn't, you know, you don't really like to have these loose ends and it's something that you kind of want to stay on top of it, right? Stay on top of the ball and be able to turn something into what you want it to be or at least have more say into where things are going. So, Hellboy, I'm interested in knowing whenever you felt the most out of control in your life.
Oh man, in my life, in my personal life, I think there's like a lot of moments I felt out of control. And like, I guess this is like the whole point of having like a personal space or like, a making times too. I used to talk about things maybe even a little bit out of Web 3. So like, you know, I had a pretty rough upbringing and I think as a result, like I severely lacked
to discipline or like respect for discipline and that follow through in a lot of aspects of my life and as I became a man as a matured as an individual, you start to realize like discipline is not something inherently given to you. Like the world has an overarching discipline you must exhibit in the rules you follow but for your own self-growth or the ability to accomplish
of things you want, like you have to develop that discipline. I think at one point in my life, you know, I started high school at 11, I started college at 15, and going into that transition being freshly 15 in college was like one of the hardest transitions in my life. I was like friends with people who were 18, 19,
I was still at an age in my life where I didn't have the independence and self-discipline I needed to really shine as an individual. And I think those periods between like 15 to 19 were just like very
uncontrolled destructive periods of my life. But I'm so grateful now, you know, looking back on it, almost a decade later, being able to see like the fact that I was in such a destructive and kind of undisciplined place, and for me to get out of that, I had
had to look internally. I had to criticize myself. I had to judge myself. I had to rigorously apply myself to achieving a goal that I wanted. Setting standards for myself and setting standards of discipline for myself. I went from a kind of partying and being a typical fucked up college kid from 15 to 19 to
I'm managing eSports at that time and then transitioning into coaching role for eSports, a professional role for eSports. That period between 19-22 was just a lot of growing, a lot of responsibility, a lot of discipline, and then also being able to work with some of the most talented people I know.
understand where the source of their success comes from, watching these people who play for some of the biggest organizations in the world, and seeing their 12 to 14 hour schedules, their grinding, the fact that they might play games but they have workout routines to emphasize the gray matter in their hand anatomy and muscle structure, everything to the diet improves for eyesight
retention of muscle memory, you know, to work against carpal tunnel. It taught me that, you know, greatness and success requires a discipline that is incredibly rigorous. And that kind of control of yourself is the basis of everything you need to accomplish what you want. So establishing that control from that point to my life path
has allowed me to take everything I'm doing and feel like I get that sense of control and controlling the things I can control and my potential and my ability to deliver an ag value and then realizing that there are chaotic elements of giving control to other people but ultimately you can control who you put in those positions.
and if you're doing it right, you can remain controlled while also giving authority and giving power to other people. And that is true control of the things around you. Understanding that every decision that can happen to you in your life is something you can trace back to your own actions, evaluate, re-evaluate, and grow upon.
Yeah, I would say those periods of my life were the most out of control and where I now was in a very controlled environment. Yeah, and I think you're really hitting the nail on the head here, right? When it comes to the idea of control, it's more so in support of the idea of realizing your own potential and not limiting that of others.
Because when you lack that control, you lack that sense of, "Where is the highest I can go? How much can I push myself?" Because if you have other people telling you what to do or maybe imposing some kind of restrictions on you, it's definitely not going to go your way. You have to navigate that as a person.
yourself in a position where you're strategically not at someone else's bidding is more likely to be in your favor. And you know you mentioned some really fantastic things in this conversation, how about you mentioned that you went to high school at 11 and you went to college at 15 and I think it's very apparent that throughout your life you've had
to mature very quickly. And this is something that's just who you are. And that's just how you've lived. And hell boy, I'm interested in knowing, you know, with this kind of life and the sense of, you know, quick maturity, how do you think you see the world differently from your peers?
Yeah, I think it's interesting like hitting a point of maturity really soon like there's a lot of eye openers for me and one thing is like I think you learned different lessons and that's really important like when I was getting through with stuff and hitting my 19s and 20s my
friends were like 24, 25, 26 and they're thinking about you know, job stability and kids and I'm here mirroring that pressure and then taking a moment to slow down and be like okay, like really reevaluate like just because those are where your peers at doesn't mean what I need to be and that was something I think I really struggled with like
because I grew up so fast and because I was moving through the system so much I had a rough upbringing. I really attached myself to people. I attached myself to teammates. I attached myself to my peers and I thought like if I move life at the same pace they're doing then I'll be fine because that's my mirrored behavior. And then taking a moment to slow down and really think about my
my position as a person and just in the world. And realizing like, you know, if I strip it all back, you know, I'm X years old with X years of experience, what can I accomplish with the position that I'm given, you know?
taking it all in and how much of what I can accomplish do I want to realize that's something I think came to me a lot sooner than most people where it was like I had seen myself climbing through esports teams and reaching the top and getting offers contracts all those different things I spent you know the early
part of my 20s flying state to state to play tournaments, getting to explore and see things in the world. And I really had to acknowledge to myself, I'm gifted in the way that like the people who raised me, even though it was rough, have put me in a position where I am ahead of the curve, I am in a position where I have the support I need to
chase after my dreams and pursue things. I am at the point of my life where I have enough funds to be stable and take risks in certain areas. And so thinking from that perspective, like, what is the max potential that someone in my position can reach? Am I capable of actualizing that potential? And if I am,
my willing to commit to it, like really commit to it. And I think that in itself is one of the most valuable lessons. The other lesson is mental fortitude. I was able to hit a point where I was going through battles of depression and addiction from my behaviors when I was 15 to 19, going to therapy, getting help, getting support from my family.
and then getting out of that period early, you know, that's something people can experience in their early 20s, mid 20s. I've come out of that experience and I have the knowledge of it and I have the discipline required to do it and I know that pitfalls and mistakes and so taking all of those things and taking in that I have these lessons that I've headed in earlier curve and realizing that
time is the most valuable asset you have. And that like through my 20s to 30s, I don't want to be lost going through it. I want to be focused, laser-driven. I want to know what like my fucking life KPIs are and how to get there. And realizing that like I've gone through struggle, I've gone through privilege in certain ways, I've gone through all different types
of struggles, even when it comes to the competitive aspect, going into a tournament where you're O2 and O3 means elimination and sticking it through having the coaching from your esports coaches and teams on positioning your mindset, not thinking like a loser, thinking in a one-person perspective.
came in here to win every game so it doesn't matter if you lose too. And then seeing the actualization of that over so many events, how to deal with myself when it fails, when I don't be my own expectations, how to deal with myself when I do, how to manage my ego and think with humility and the things I do. So, you know, being in a position where I can learn all those lessons really
fast means that where I'm at right now has so much potential to be realized and what it really means is I just have to execute with discipline, with focus, with precision, with commitment to act on all of those things I want to do. And so I think that's the benefit of going through these stages so fast is it just accelerates your ability
to realize things and being off the curve makes you take an introspective look at yourself more often than you would otherwise. That's been great for me. Yeah, and a follow-up question I have for you is why do you think achievement and self-improvement is so important to you as hellboy?
No, that's a really good question. That is a really good question. And I think it can boil down to like sometimes that's just who we are as people. I would have to say, you know, it just comes down to like nurture and nature. I think my mom and my father are very competitive individuals. And then at the
same time like they were never really stable in early periods of my life and they were never really around for certain periods of my life. So you know from 14 to 18 I pretty much lived on my own segregated from from family segregated from my sibling and being in that period. So I think for me it's always been a matter
of like succeeding has always led to attention. And at the earlier parts of my life that's what motivated me, right? I wanted to win internaments so people would appreciate me. It felt good when all the people who were fans of my stuff would congratulate me after I did something. It felt good when I got good grades, it felt good when I got into college early. It was ways to get attention from the people around
around me, my family, the limited outset of friends that it had. So for me, I think it's always been ingrained. And even when I've learned to deal and manage those emotions and clean up those areas of my life, you know, of self-reflection and therapy, and not needing attention from people, not needing that approval from outside sources other than myself because
matured that has always lingered within me that I enjoy that aspect of pushing myself and saying how far we can go. And even if it means I'm doing a complete silence, I have this appreciation of self that I know if I get, if other people knew what I were doing, they would feel the same way I feel about it. And that is the validation that I'm
if that answers the drafts. So I think that's why. Yeah, no, I think it's incredibly valid and I went through a very similar mindset earlier in my career. I guess when I was I guess in high school, right, for me, I was the overachiever. I mean, you can ask my co-founder, but I was the guy who was always, you know,
I was the first one in, last one out every time. I was the first one putting in hours and hours and hours of work after the clock. At the end of the day, when I look back on all that stuff, it filled this void of attention. For me, I was very self-conscious about myself and my appearance and where I stood among my friend groups and things along those lines.
I was able to be that smart kid, writer of that kid that exceeded in one way or another, that was the way I stuck out and I got love in one way or another. And it's definitely something interesting to navigate and it's something that takes time to either learn from or grow within or just make sure
It becomes, it doesn't eat away at you. And Hellboy, as someone who is so, you know, pushing for self-development, right, and improvement, and pushing yourself to the limit, like, I'm very curious to know, you know, what is your support system look like, and how are you kind to yourself as you're doing this?
Yeah, I think I'm like rather harsh on myself and I think this is like something I'm learning to deal with I Take failures really bad and I mean that in the way like I'm the first person to cure people up in the team and something goes wrong But when I'm by myself there's like a lot of like self pruning that happens and
And I think learning to accept the effort that came into my failures is a big thing I'm working on. You know, as far as the support system, you know, I have a great relationship with my family now, which is amazing. They understand what I do and not that can engage with them and have those conversations with them to get relief, but also not
enough that they totally criticize or suggest things to what I do. And that's a f*ck. Having people who can listen but don't necessarily want to give any feedback back. They're just there to really absorb how you're feeling doing. And then to give you some life insight rather than mechanical insights. I have a partner, she's super supportive, takes
care to me reminds me to do everything every day. The basic necessities like eating, which I forget to do all the time, drinking water which I forget to do, to wear clothes. Sometimes I'll wake up, I'll sit straight on the computer and just work for five, six hours. And I have a brush my teeth, shower, put on clothes because I'm just so engrossed on. The first idea
as they come to my mind and putting them on a paper, remembering that keeping myself conditioned well to be here for five years and ten years in the future is a valuable thing. And so, you know, having someone who keeps me to those commitments and makes sure that I don't forget to take care of myself, to cherish myself. On top of that, just like,
understanding like when I take away a day away from the system's operations and I see like you know things get significantly less productive it's humbling because it's like I haven't built the system correctly that if I'm removed from it it's completely functional and it's fast and knowing that that's something to improve on but being appreciative of myself for
how well I keep the system running. Finding areas to appreciate the self, especially with how critical I am, when we don't reach a goal, like I'm the first to criticize myself and it's something that I think every founder should work on. But having the social structures around you is the first key step.
Having an amazing team, I think that it's flexible, is willing to take on more work, more roles, always stepping onto the table. This post-restructuring, I have ended up with the most amazing team possible. You cannot convince me otherwise. These are people who I call them at 2 in the morning, 8 p.m., 4 p.m., 6 a.m.,
and someone always comes to the table to be able to take on something or give advice and to have such an integrated environment where, you know, I'm doing this 16 hours a day, I don't get to really have friends, I don't really get to have hobbies, so anytime I can collaboratively work with people I value, that's like
time. Being able to treat my teammates not just as employees and people I work with and creators but as friends, being able to usher that environment that leads to better product, being able to surround myself with family that I can also feel like our friends that are much closer to me. The life balance becomes
easier in that way. And obviously, you know, finding time in your schedule to do the necessities like working out and all those things, something I'm really struggling with with deadlines sometimes, but when I am doing it, it's such a relief, you know, it's like two hours locked into running cardio weights and you can think about work
for the most part like the exhaustion, the pushing yourself to fatigue, keeps you in the moment and having those blocked moments away that I know I'll have to myself and what I'm doing rather than work that also really helps. So yeah for sure and I think it's I mean you kind of mentioned it the balance component
It's really hard in Web 3, especially when you have holders from all over the world and you're appealing to the mass web through community. You're working on different time zones. And then it's kind of like where do you fit in time for self-care sometimes? When am I supposed to take a shower? I feel like I have to be on my computer for 8 hours.
hours, like 12 hours a day, you know, people are asking me questions, I need to do this and not, and then I'm involved with this and not in this and the ecosystem. And it becomes really hard to balance it all in hellboy. I'm interested in knowing in your life right now, not just in what three, but in your life as a whole. What are your top three priorities?
My top three priorities, it's really interesting. My top priority, more than anything, is always going to be my partner, my family, the people I care about in my life. Super seating to everything. I'm very lucky that a lot of people in my life are in a good position and I do what I can
to help keep them in that position. You know, like if my brother calls me tomorrow needing support for something, above all I'll be there. If my mother is sick, above all I'll be there. And that doesn't mean I drop my responsibilities. It just means the priorities in my life shifts to accommodate something. So above all, friends and family, because when this is all done, said and done,
like those are the people who you have around you. All of this is gone tomorrow no matter how hard a protest or try or grind or struggle. I know that those people will be there to console me, to pick me up and to make sure that I'm ready to do this again and go again and do it all over. Second to that, bad cat, like Web 3 in general, like
There's the entire BVD company and everything we have planned completely consumes the entirety of what I do every day. From the minute I sleep, the minute I wake up, to the minute I sleep again, whether it's working, even when I'm doing other things, even when I'm eating, I'm texting me
and schedule and calls out. And it's so much bigger than just BVD and Bad Cat. The things that people don't know that we're doing yet. The entire teams that are working outside of vision that people have no idea that they're like six to eight people that are being managed on things they can't even see or can't even realize yet. You know, networking and working
a space in a way where it's like I have the privilege and Web 3 top of bad cat of working with like a million dollar market cat project and giving them my advice, my advisory and being compensated for that time and it's like you know just wanting to always be able to put myself in situations where I'm better in bad cat or I'm around people who can teach me the lessons I need to know.
or give me the connections I need to meet to take BVD to the next level, whether it's venture capital interest, whether it's learning how to assess company better, whether it's learning how to reduce margins, operations, the legal aspects, you know. Pretty much, I am entirely consumed into figuring out
all the things I need to be the most well-rounded founder that you can find anywhere in the Seacos system. Even that means learning from other founders who are way more talented than you have more IRL experience. And now it's the third thing is music, you know, just like finding the time to play guitar, to sing, to
enjoy new music and enjoy the art form. That's my first and foremost passion about everything else. Music is the most valuable thing in my life. When I think about all the things I've done from esports to content creation to to bad cat, I've always found time to make music. I've always found time to play music to
I try to keep it at the very front of my life as something I do, even if it's not weekly, I do regularly enough to kind of ground myself back to regardless of where you are in your life now. It's going to be different in the year. It's going to be different in six months, it's going to be different in three years.
who you are at your core is still very much the same and you're growing from that. So it's something that grounds me in homeless me very much. So that's like my third priority. Yeah, and I think it's always important to have an outlet for creativity, whatever that might be for you and for you is music, right? For me, it's also music. So it got a lot in the
wave like this you. And a lot of a question I like to ask my guests when it comes to music, especially when you have this deep emotional connection to it, is help help I'm interested in knowing, you know, what song is the most meaningful to you? And you know, what does that truly mean?
Damn, bro. That is such a loaded question because it's so hard to find one song, right? When you really like music, especially if you have an eclectic taste. Recently in my life, I've learned to appreciate everything from classical music, from mom as a pianist before I was born, and should give it up when I was born.
My dad was in the Grunge and Hip Hop so I grew up on a Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Jay Z, Biggie, all that stuff. Typical Hip Hop nowadays is very, very popular and I'm really into that. The typical Travis Scott Drake, Cardi, Sumino, Mazzie, all the stuff. Even the underground stuff of the hyperpop scene that's emerging with
break into the lathe, Eric, DOA, all the Jander gang stuff. I like the elective stuff like the emo rap scene with juice, peep, smoked purr, smoked sack. So like it's really hard when I think about all the different stuff that I like and everything from my classic rock to country rock to progressive rock.
If I had to pick one song out of every song ever it would probably be Hellboy by Lil Peep which is actually where I get my name that whole album and I think it's just generally because when I think of like who I am as a person like just socially the kind of energy I get
give off and it's really weird. The person I am ever since Web 3 is so fucking far removed from who I was pre- Web 3. You know, I'd like to think I'm a calmer now and more operationally and logically focused. Before I was just kind of like, wiling out doing bad shit. So it's really brought some just ability
in my life being in the ecosystem. And so when I hear that song, it just feels like me. It feels like, you know, everything from the intro of the plucking of the guitar tones to the undernotes of like the e-cords, to the way it comes in, to even like the monologue from the movie "How do I Boy" that plays for the first seconds.
The album art cover, the logo behind it. I think all of it is like I can see trace elements of my life and things that I'm body who I am and the overall five of the personality that I like to give off and that people have gotten from me through in real life experiences. So yeah, that's why I'm just gonna connect super deep blue name.
But there's like a million songs we can say that about. I've had to pick one. Yeah, for sure. And it's crazy to people your name dropping because we have the exact same music days on Hellboy. Worlds away. This song that's incredibly sentimental to me. So definitely that whole album I think is fantastic. And then you mentioned a lot of high
The reason I ask is it very obviously shows people's love for music or the culture or the art form and the creativity it incites within you. There's a lot of memories that can come from these kind of things. I look back on some of these old songs that you've listened to in high school and be like, "Damn, those were the days, bro." Those were the
the day. It's always super interesting to look back on that stuff. I'm glad to hear that we have very similar views. It gets me pretty hyped. Some people will be dropping some stuff I've never heard before, but those are some names I've definitely heard before. We are coming pretty close to time.
It's been a fantastic conversation, I can't believe it's already been 40 minutes. But, hell boy, I have two last questions for you. And one thing I'm interested in knowing with, as far as you're pushing yourself and everything you're doing for bad cats and what you got cooking here, I'm interested in knowing, where do you hope to see yourself in the next six months?
I'm talking shit here for a second. I see myself running the number one project on Salona, one way or another. I hope that's in six months. I'm working like it's going to be in six months, but regardless, like if I have to be here till everyone leaves
the chain, if it takes like 20 more motherfuckers moving to polygon. If I have to generate enough revenue to buy every goddamn NFT in the collection myself, working some other thing in this space, it's going to happen. Regardless of what anyone wants to happen, it's going to happen. And so, in
I've seen myself doing the same thing, solving new problems, bigger problems, solving bigger work flow issues and bigger teams. Being able to put my name behind some of the biggest projects in my space with the projects that I'm working on outside of BVD and rotating the connections, the experience, the money back
into the project and finding ways to take it to the next level. Finding more balance in my life, being more appreciative of myself and not being so hard on myself, you know, and bad cat started replant for it to be so less successful than it is. And now that I've been doing it for so long, I feel like it's
it should be so much more successful than it is. And I can see why it hasn't to this point, right? There were so many issues we had to fix. So I want to be able to say in six months I'll be proud of myself, proud of what I've accomplished, proud of what I've been able to overcome, proud of the sacrifices that I've made.
by that time we'll have such things figured out so much on Bad Cat. I can release like an album or some music that I've been saved up like I haven't made an album or released anything in two years. I'm not going to link my music or drop it here but I was getting like a lot of really good tracks
to be the 16. Yeah, that's what I'm looking forward to six months. I know it's not a far departure from where we're at now, but it's very much all I'm focused on and where I want to be. Yeah, and so what do you think are the biggest obstacles between you today and you in six months?
I think meat today has a lot of connections and I'm starting to open up the gates to really getting to the deep side of these connections. One thing I didn't realize was like when I started that cat I thought it was just sweat equity work honesty and making a good product. I realized like that's not how this space, that's not how this industry
three works. It works in a completely different way. You have to leverage a lot of connections. You have to give and take and know how those things work and you have to know when to seize opportunities with different individuals. So I think the biggest gaps are I'm now entering the first time in the web 3 where like I'm not just
talking to founders, I'm talking to foundations, and that's not just on Solana. I'm talking to people who are at the head of the marketplaces, I'm talking to people who are working on the best projects I'm talking to venture capital that raise XYZ millions amount of money. And I think right now I just need this experience and the time to be in that realm and be in that zone network, learn what I can.
get gained from those people and then apply that to making the project better or the product better anyway. I think a lot of it is time too, like the course is set and there's a lot of things that just need time to build and one mistake I've always made is like if something is already built for 10 days to develop, I'm like okay shit, I have 9 days of waiting
I need to do XYZ and make a whole other plan, a whole other utility, and just slowing down and thinking like, okay, in those 10 days, how do we emphasize the end of the 10 days, and how do I use the time within that to network and position ourselves so we can leverage and utilize the resources to make the impact bigger. So restricting the priorities and utilizing
and the connections are giving my time to myself time to climb those ladders and make the connections we need to truly, truly succeed. I think that's one big roadblock and I also think like right now I do so much work all the time and it's not a bad thing but at some point it needs to go down. Like at some point I need to be
working the way last so I can reshift my energy and priorities into networking more being more present in terms of social side of creating opportunities right now I'm doing a massive amount of labor a massive amount of networking for five hours six hours of calls a day you know six seven hour team calls working on products three four
hours of just working on things in general by myself. And then I pass out, wake up, do it again. It's a very rigorous and it doesn't leave much wiggle room to explore opportunities from a business perspective of things. So that is definitely something, you know, I need to do better. And I could think of several times where over working or not having time to fit in
One call has lost an opportunity like one example of this is not losing an opportunity Now I was supposed to meet with the drip foundation, but then I had a meeting with venture capital this this founder this project and now it's like damn I could have met with the drip foundation eight days ago and they're still willing to meet with me We're still gonna work and figure out some way for our artists to
do something on drip, but it's like I wish I could follow up and capitalize on these connections a lot sooner than having to keep pushing them back by the way to capitalize on them. So yeah, those are just some of the small identifiable I think preventing me from getting where I want to go and just needing to go through them and take the time and find the solutions.
Yeah, absolutely. And I think if anyone is capable of overcoming those obstacles, it would most definitely be you with the kind of almost, you know, crank crazy. I guess demonic work ethic you have to, you know, be a little thematic to your own name here. But, hellboy, it's been a fantastic show. I mean, 45 minutes.
it's bluebod just like that and I thoroughly enjoyed talking to you and learn a little bit more about who you are behind the PFP. It's been an absolute blast but guys this is making time. A show hosted by me HV Socrates on the Syndicate Network where we learn more
about the people of Web 3 and why they are still here. And Hellboy, it's been an absolutely fantastic conversation. Do you have any kind of last closing thoughts before we go ahead and look to close this space? No, just that I respect everyone who's out here and like it's such a great avenue and what you're providing Socrates.
I'm sure people someday are going to go back to this. If we succeed in six months and quote the shit out of this, it's going to be the culture for our project. You'll have created that. But more than that, it's just like when students told me you're one of the best hosts in this space, I didn't know why because I've never seen
Twitter, I see the different people commenting. People not even posting them on BVD, posting pictures of their cars, their kids, their families, their jobs, their aspirations, their dreams. And I realized like, what a blessed responsibility is to have these people support me. These people put their, you know, they're saving
their investments, their finances, their play money, whatever it is, into what I'm doing. These are real people with real lives, with real goals and dreams and wants for themselves. I'm in a position where sure I have to work hard, but I'm blessed that you choose me to be the vessel that you put your faith behind. And that someday I can
I can return that favor by me as a bad cat, the number one fucking project. And knowing that someday those same people that I look at every day and I see their lives and I appreciate what they do for me, and I'll be able to do the same for them and see that day come and see the celebrations that come with it. So, just thank you to the community, thank you to everybody.
Absolutely, and thank you, Elboy, for everything you do. It's very obvious how much passion and love you have for not only your project and your business, but your community. Writing the people of Web 3 and the people that are supporting you. And we definitely, definitely, definitely could use more founders like
familiar faces in the audience tomorrow. But guys, thank you so much for making time for help. And I hope all of you have a fantastic rest of your day. Go follow Saketeen. Thank you. Thank you. Bye bye y'all.