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MANUS AI โผ๏ธ FUTURE OF DATA & AI: HOW TO MAKE ๐ฐ WITH YOUR DATA
Recorded: March 21, 2025 Duration: 0:52:33Space Recording
Short Summary
Navigate launched as a data marketplace, allowing users to contribute and license their data, while Manus AI showcases innovations in AI technology by automating complex tasks. The market is seeing positive growth with sidelined liquidity reintroduced, and trends indicate a shift towards data-centric models and decentralized governance. Navigate also conducts an airdrop to engage communities.
Full Transcription
Yo, we're just waiting for Fated to get back.
He's away from his desk.
But yeah, and then if you're in here right now, just retweet the space.
Let's get more people in here.
We're waiting for Navigate to come in.
And, yeah.
So I'm trying to get music queued up, but I was not prepared.
So give me a second.
Yo, Fate, how's it going, man?
Yeah.
Yo, yo, what's good? What's good?
I'm good.
I've been keeping my head down, working on different D-Sign retardio stuff.
What about y'all? How's L.A.?
Well, everything's good, man, just hanging out, chilling, and vibing.
Do you and Fated Live together?
Yeah, we're roommates.
Oh, that's dope, dude.
You said L.A. is where y'all are at?
Yes, sir.
How do y'all like it over there?
I've never been to the West Coast.
L.A.
I love L.A.
It's a lot of traffic, but I can't complain.
Where do you stay at?
Oh, Faye, is you ready?
Almost.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's play some music.
Let's play some music real quick.
You don't have something.
I'll throw a quick song on.
Yeah, I was not ready.
I just threw me in this DJ position.
You took the Remilio off faded.
What is this new BFT?
Real quick, real quick.
I'm testing out what I like.
This, okay, so this NFT just dropped on Hyper.
I'm not, I literally have no affiliation with them at all.
I just genuinely like the fucking art because it's super, like, retro gamer and, like, just cool, in my opinion.
I don't know.
I like it, so...
Yeah. I like it. It looks like old Zelda or one of those PS1 games.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it a lot.
That's exactly what I thought when I saw and posted it on the timeline.
Yeah, for sure. No, I like it a lot. The artwork is like insane in my opinion. Like crazy.
Yo, in the meantime, make sure you retweet the space.
Let's get more people in here.
People are going to trickle in as the time goes on.
But retweet the space, like it, comment.
Let's go.
I just ended to the group chat.
I'm going to go into a few years.
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He was still.
He was here.
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Yo, is that new cardiope' already?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, I'm gonna'clock already.
Is it good?
I haven't even listened to it.
I don't know.
It's decent.
It's decent.
I don't think it's that crazy.
I don't think it's that crazy.
All right.
Cool.
I got the,
I got a sense out to a bunch of places.
Let's get some different people up here.
Moshis.
Gannan, pull up, pull up.
What's good?
Welcome.
Happy Monday, everybody.
Glad we have Navigate here.
That's fucking awesome.
I spent a lot of time yesterday going through,
doing some research.
on their project.
Some seems like a lot of really dope stuff happening in the data and AI space.
I think there's, um,
Yeah, man. I mean, I obviously I come from the traditional data world, I guess, from, you know, corporate America data, you know, working with like analytics and stuff. And there's a lot of problems to solve. So I'm glad people are working on that. Outside of that, it does feel like just things are waking up again. Obviously, the markets are starting to move in a little bit more of a positive direction.
There's been a lot of sideline liquidity that I think is starting to slowly get reintroduced
back into the market, but it's getting reintroduced into the market through different ways.
And people are interested in different shit, right?
If you were a builder or project founder, developer over the last six months to a year,
the next six months to a year is going to look significantly different than what it did this past six months to a year, in my opinion.
What's going on, Mama, what's up? What's up? What's up? Hey, Eva. Good morning. Buenos
Dios.
No, I mean, I think I, I mean, I agree with you definitely.
I think, I mean, the space is obviously, it's changed even over the last month and a half.
It's kind of crazy.
Like, there was a whole big, like, AI push or whatever.
Just a lot of vaporware that came out.
But it's kind of cool to see, like, the actual projects that are still around, still building.
They actually have good tech.
They're still on the timeline.
They're still, like, communicating, talking, and everything.
Yeah.
But no, it's awesome to see.
Ali, appreciate you for coming and navigate as well.
I mean, I just wanted to say, what's up, Ali?
How's it going? Nice to meet you.
Yeah, great to meet you too. Thanks for having us.
Awesome. No, I'm excited to hear about your project, man.
Just, I mean, if you want to just introduce yourself a little bit, just talk about yourself.
And we can get into Navigate once the space fills up a little bit more.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yes, so I'm Ali Hussein and the co-founder and CEO of Navigate, which is a data marketplace,
essentially allowing individual users to contribute their data, pool it together, and then
be able to license it to enterprise customers. My background is in computer science and economics.
I kicked off my career at Microsoft and then after that went to
Startup land was in the AI space for the last 10 years,
WebDoo enterprise stuff,
and then over the last two, three years,
been building Navigate.
Awesome. Hell yeah. Thanks for coming through, Ali. Yeah, man, I've been looking into Navigate a little bit as well too.
Very interesting problem you guys are solving as far as that economy layer between consumers and their data.
Obviously, it's been pretty unbalanced over the last several of the last like what one or two decades.
So I'm glad to see that somebody's taking a, a blockchain solution approach to solving that problem, democratizing that revenue access and giving us all a fair shot.
I think that's why a lot of us are here.
Obviously, a lot of us are here to make money, but a lot of us are here to make money with a fair shot, too.
Hey, like, how can we make money without, you know, fucking each other over while producing value in the market, et cetera, man.
So it's been cool.
Hey, Eva, how are you doing?
How's, I know you've been slowly getting back into the market trading macros primarily now.
How's that world been?
I know it's been a lot more successful than meme coins.
She's based.
If you guys didn't know, she's based.
Can you hear her or is it just me?
No, I can't hear it.
I'm going to bring her down and then bring her back up.
I'll bring her down and bring her back up.
But yeah, no, she has been trading macros pretty successfully.
She was telling me she actually just like did some pretty dope shit that I want to learn from.
But what's going on?
You are you back?
Can we hear you?
Can you hear me now?
Yeah.
Okay.
I said trading macros has been a lot better than trading me of coins lately.
So I'm pretty happy.
Yes.
Any like...
Mac like any like just general trends that you've been noticing like things are like are things looking healthier
Does it still look like it's getting like heavily manipulated with like some of these like flash crashes and shit?
Like I don't know I haven't been paying attention as much to the macro
I've just been focused on building so I haven't really even been paying attention
I don't know I think things are getting a little bit healthier but I also don't think the volatility is over
So it's good for trading so I'm happy
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Yeah.
I mean, we could talk.
Let's, I mean, let's talk about some AI shit.
Because recently, Fated and I got access to Manus AI.
And oh my God.
I don't know if you guys have had a chance to see what Manus does.
But it's literally the craziest AI tech I've ever dealt with.
Like, I'm gonna look for some videos that I've taken of us using it.
Fake, go ahead, sorry, but I'm gonna go look for some videos.
No, no, yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
I've only seen you use it, like on the timeline, but I didn't,
I didn't really see like exactly what you were doing.
So maybe if you could like explain like how it,
how you think it's better or what you've used how you've applied it maybe that would be a good
start all right i'm going to give you guys like the craziest alpha of all alphas and i'm going to do it
because we're in this like nice tight like intimate space and if you're here today you deserve to
fucking win tomorrow my opinion so uh yeah basically mann s a i does um a bunch of different
tasks for you upon one
prompt execution. So if you literally like prompt it once and say, hey, can you build me a
telegram app that does X, Y, and Z, it will not only do all of the research to put that together
for you, it'll do all of the research to put that together for you and then actually just start
putting it together for you.
Like, it'll write all the code. It'll do everything. So instead of like chat TVT, like if you wanted to do that with chat TVT, you'd have to go back and forth and back and forth on prompts and stuff. With Manus AI, you can just prompt it once. And it'll just continue to produce a full output for you. So how I've been personally using this, how Mamba and I've been personally using this.
is we've been ideating different business ideas or applications that we've wanted to build ourselves for a very long time,
but just did not have the technical expertise to do so.
So we've been ideating these ideas using GROC and then formalizing them with chat TPT and then asking chat TPT to produce an output called a PRD or a product requirements document.
So now we have our idea. Now we have the full flip for how to build this idea with all of the tech required. And now we have this formalized in a document called a PRD. So now we can go into Manus AI, upload our PRD and say, hey, can you build this for me? It'll do all of the building. It'll let it like I literally have a Manus AI working right now.
It's been working for the last 30, 45 minutes, but it's literally working right now.
Building an application for me.
And then after it builds the application for me, I basically further refine it using cursor.
So that's how I've been using it so far.
Some of the stuff I've been building is pretty fucking complex.
It's not like, oh, just like a Tetris video game.
So I only have like the front end template like ready and deployed for a few of those different products.
But it's been fucking awesome.
But I guess like what do you?
Yeah.
Yo, yeah.
I was going to add into like literally like the other day.
I mean the first night I got it, I literally asked it to create.
Basically a AI 101 course, right?
And that I could literally sell on Udeme or Coursera or something.
It literally from it took it, it did take it like two to three hours to do it.
But it literally did everything.
videos, the slides, the, uh, the educational part. It did everything and then it
formatted it for me to literally take that course and upload it into Udeme and it will,
and I can just literally sell that course right now. It's crazy. Like,
I don't even know how me and Feta got access, but we got access and it's lit.
Damn, so I can like speed run my way to becoming an alpha male influencer.
Like even after now.
And self drop ship courses.
Yes.
Yes.
So Eva recently got access and she's been wanting to build this like trading bot.
And I've been telling her, hey, you can literally just like get all of the different like baseline requirements to build out your trading bot.
In like probably 24 to 48 hours, this has never existed before in history.
It's never been this easy to just be like, okay, cool, I have an idea.
From idea to concept to output has never been this easy in the history of humanity.
And I think if, you know, if you're...
If you're not privy to it, it's your responsibility, not just for yourself, but for your family, your loved ones, people you care about, to become somewhat privy to it.
Because if you're not, you're going to fall behind.
Um...
And when I, yeah, yeah, Mavigat, what were you going to stuff?
No, I just wanted to, I wanted to see, like, if Navigate has heard of madness or if you guys have used it at all.
Ali, I don't know if you've, like, seen, seen that tech at all.
I feel like it's really...
I haven't.
It, it sounds amazing.
I've personally been using...
Claude and Replit a bunch.
So those are both web two things.
But basically in terms of coding the best model that I've found so far has been Claude 3.7.
But no, Manus sounds amazing.
I'd love to look at some demos or something.
It's invite only.
We can't get ice.
I like applied for it like a month ago.
I think I should have put a better reason.
I said I'm just,
I just want to test it out to see its limits.
I should.
I should have given more concrete example.
I'm still on the way this.
Is that how you wait, wait, wait, wait.
Okay, so, okay, actually, yeah, question.
Like, how do we get past this prompt?
Do you have to answer that question, like, for real?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you guys put good answers?
Yeah.
You guys put, like, wrote like good shit.
That's why y'all got accepted, right?
So, yeah, I wrote, like, a bunch of stuff, and I got accepted in less than 24 hours.
I pretty much said I want to battle test it.
So I'm probably at the bottom of the list.
They're like, this guy's gonna break it.
I probably wrote like barely anything.
Oh, yeah.
Where's this link?
I went, listen, hear me.
Here's what I did.
I literally went to GROC and I told GROC in my personality,
how would you answer this question for me to get access to this AI platform?
Right?
And then when I went from GROC, I took that to Chat GPT and had that refine it even more.
And then I took it from Chad GPT to answer the question.
The, you gotta, you got, bro, AI.
But you're the type to do everything but homework.
Yes, exactly.
And that's what, bro, what is AI?
Just think about what AI is.
AI is literally here to do your homework.
Mamma, do you know what's the funny part?
They probably also have an agent or an LLM, like seeing if you qualify for access or not.
So like it's just agents talking to other agents.
That's so true. That's so true. This is how I did it. I, in my application, I said I'm building several different tools for blockchain research and analytics. I would like to use your AI tool to help fast track my development for these things. I will be using, I will be creating content out of it and sharing it on social media. Here are my different social media platforms.
And then, yeah, literally in like less than a day, I got access.
And then I told Mamba about it.
And he was like, yo, what the fuck?
How do I get access?
And then I told him to do the same thing.
And yeah, you got access.
I'm going to reapply using your social handles because they don't double check if it's mine or not.
Yeah.
I'm applying right now.
So, yeah.
I'm going to re-in-law.
Hold on.
Wait, wait.
We need some kind of commission.
We need to get madness in here.
This is the, this is kind of a thing that's come to light recently.
That's a concern of mine.
We, you, can you like, without a doubt, make sure that whatever you're building or whatever isn't being shared?
Like, if it's confidential information or if it's any other kind of proprietary information, like, how do you guard against manage sharing it to, you know, everybody else?
Yeah, I don't think that's the thing.
If you read the terms and condition, you will probably say that somewhere that they're going to, like, use that at least for training data.
That's what, yeah.
It's the same thing for OpenAI, too.
So for OpenAI, any data that goes through OpenAI, it's not like they're going to directly steal your idea or anything, right?
They can.
They have the ability to do so, for sure.
But they are going to use it to further train and refine their models.
Right.
So it's like, you know, you have to be mindful of that.
That's why a lot of like super big companies, like the apples of the world,
they're setting, they're creating their own LLMs because they're like, yo,
I'm not about to give fucking open AI all my sauce.
You know what I mean?
Like that doesn't make sense.
Even smaller companies, like I know like Layer Zero or some other startups on Cosmos,
like friends that are working at these places, they say that they're not allowed to use
cursor or tools alike.
You know, they're all doing this. And also I'll say I'll add to this point, all the companies have like major companies, especially the social media ones, already have kind of internal AI and have had it for a while. So external side and like whether they have a public facing product or not, like yes, all big companies are, have their own AI systems to like make, make their kind of like databases and internal systems better with search and stuff.
Like, TikTok has a crazy one.
My friend works at TikTok.
She showed me the shit.
Meta, too, just crazy things that they used.
I had a form.
I worked at TikTok about three years ago, and I had a form of AI that we used to use at TikTok
as well, too.
And yeah, I remember I did get like spoken to once when I was using, I've been using like chat Dubit.
You can ask mom, I've been using it regularly, I think since like 20, 21 or like early 2022 or something like that, like regularly, like daily.
And then I was doing it to like, you know, speed up some of my work and stuff.
And then they found out, they're like, dude, what the fuck?
Like, you can't be doing that.
I was like, what the fuck?
I didn't think it was that big of a deal.
But it makes sense, because you're basically training their AI models to do whatever
you're trying to do better.
That's why a lot of people, so there is a little bit of controversy for, for Manus and stuff
like that as far as like, oh, it's just a rapper.
But the thing is, is that they have a lot of really different specialized,
like, I don't want to say sub-agents, but like agents that are like underneath the main agent kind of doing individual specific tasks.
So that is sort of like a little bit of a moat as well too, right?
Like navigate, I don't know specifically like what's under the hood as far as like an AI standpoint.
But even if you are, you know, technically training another LLM or model,
you're still getting more refined, like specific SME level data, right?
Yeah, no, absolutely.
And one of the things that's been happening over the last year or so is that the focus has been on instead of LLM's large language models,
smaller models that go deeper into a specific subject so that they do have that subject matter expertise.
I am, you know, I'm looking at the Manus website right now.
Like you said, the whole idea here is it's not just about the base model that you're using because Replit and Claude are great examples of this.
So, Replit is an online coding platform. You can
use their AI agents to build applications in Python, in JavaScript, etc.
And it does, again, the whole thing for you.
The underlying model that it uses is Claude 3.7.
So the idea there is that, again, you could also just use Claude, but Replit has done a bunch of work on the UI, has done a bunch of work on the fine tuning, used their code bases, stuff that they've done.
to essentially make it more optimized to perform that particular task.
So it uses Claude just for the subset of the functionality,
but it tries to go deeper.
So I'm guessing that's what Manus does as well.
And again, I don't see anything on the page in terms of what models they use.
but if I would guess I think it would either be...
I'm pretty sure it's cloud...
Yeah, it's probably cloud.
Cursors is the same shit too, though, right?
Isn't cursor just built from cloud three points so...
Yeah, it's just built on top of cloud 3.7, but it has a very specialized use case,
which is what makes it so valuable and good, right?
Like...
No, for sure. And look, the thing is that, I mean, not everyone is going to be able to,
actually very few people are going to be able to compete on the,
I'm going to go and train my own model business because it's just too cost prohibitive.
So the best shot for everyone else for startups, for smaller companies,
is to build applications on top of this stuff.
or have kind of specialized data that gives you the edge.
Because the models themselves are kind of, you know, infrastructural stuff.
So you're not going to go and beat perplexity or Claude or open AI on training models
because, again, you just won't be able to afford the GPUs.
100%. 100%.
No, I agree.
And I've noticed that's why I actually really, really like what you're building.
Because I was building out, well, I'm still building out, this like crypto market intelligence
tool.
And, you know, one of the biggest things that I'm seeing with this is that, right, data and being
able to pull in as much data as possible is really what's going to give my market intelligence
tool leverage.
Right.
So now it's like finding different ways of.
Getting this data cheaper, right?
As anyone who's ever developed anything knows, XAPI is incredibly expensive, right?
Some of these other APIs, anything blockchain focused, could be incredibly expensive at scale.
And what sucks is like it's expensive, but like the end user who's actually having their fucking data sold to me is seeing $0 from that.
So like how exactly, I guess, you know, in that part, I would want to learn more from you specifically like how do you democratize that, right?
Like how do you democratize access to data?
That's a fantastic question.
So basically, you know, like you said, all of our data is used.
There's very little protection around it.
There are a bunch of ongoing lawsuits.
The Authors Guild, for example, has an ongoing lawsuit against Open AI where, you know, folks like George R.R. Martin, a bunch of other really famous authors, are kind of suing Open AI for using their materials and training chat repT.
The idea here behind Navigate was that individually, you or I don't generate enough data to be statistically significant.
But when you look at platforms like X, platforms like Facebook, Reddit, etc., the platforms themselves are basically just bringing people together, right?
Like X doesn't generate any content, Facebook doesn't generate any content, Reddit doesn't generate any content.
It's all of the people who are there that generate that data.
And Reddit is actually a really good example because they were kind of pre-IPO struggling,
trying to figure out how to monetize their data.
And then all of sudden, LLMs come out and chat GPT becomes this big thing.
And now they have a, you know, multi-million dollar deal with Open AI to just get direct access to everything that's on Reddit.
directly via Reddit APIs and directly through their servers.
So it's kind of near real time.
Wow, that's sick.
That was recent?
Yeah, that's actually pretty old now.
I think it's, I think, more than six months.
Wow, that's really cool. I don't know that.
Yeah, yeah. And then, I mean, a little more recent than that is, you know, Uber is getting into the data labeling game. They're releasing a data labeling platform. So the idea here is that
Like I said, you can't compete on the, I'm going to go and, you know, build a rival data center to Stargate and put $80 billion into it.
But what you can do is you can collect a bunch of people and say, hey,
let's pool our resources together,
and let's collect all of our data,
and as soon as it hits a statistically significant number,
then we as sellers get to dictate the price,
we get to be able to go to enterprise customers,
license that data, and every time we license it,
you know, folks who've contributed to that data set,
keep getting rewarded.
So it's not a one-time thing.
It's this kind of, you know,
passive income that keeps flowing in.
Think of it as royalties, right?
And that's the idea behind Navigate.
So because my thinking on this is,
you know, AI has been going on since, what, the 50s?
LLMs are the latest kind of iteration of this.
The next phase is going to have some other big architectural shift.
But what is not going to become less relevant is data.
You know, data is more important today than it was yesterday.
And it's going to be more important tomorrow than it is today.
And being able to, you know,
have some sort of control over it because you can't really, you know, get complete control over
it if you're on the internet. That's just the name of the game. That's the way it goes. But to get
some benefit out of it, that's essentially what we're trying to do.
You know, and to just add to Ali's points, like just like you mentioned, the court case with
Open AI, what's becoming even more relevant is like how is this data being sourced? So there's like more
more and more conversation around that and just like how no one really cared about how materials are sourced for
whether like food products and produce or like building materials now like they care so much about it like was was this like
rare metal like sourced ethically or did like you know child labor take place or does this coffee bean actually come from Ecuador
And so that's why we like using like we use blockchain and supply chains to
verify the provenance of like how what what was sourced and that's what I like find like myself being bullish with Navigate is like
that like they're going to be super early on with is this data like ethically sourced or did they just like take it from a user that was just like
unaware of the terms and conditions they agreed with or like the on like just using platforms like
Facebook meta that they are the product themselves so I actually have a question regarding that
so are you kind of facilitating the the sale of data in a sense uh like
Yeah, so Milton puts it in a really nice.
Oh, sorry, go ahead, Alec.
Yeah, that's a great question.
So basically, the way it works is we have a browser extension.
You can download the browser extension from, you know, the Chrome store or on edge or whatever
chromium compatible browser.
And it does a couple of different things.
We're building a retail data set right now.
And what that requires people to do is you could go and log into your Amazon account,
just in your browser.
Navigate doesn't look at these credentials or store them or anything like that.
And you contribute your order history.
So the reason I'm giving you that particular example is because this is a data set that is only available to you and to Amazon, right?
You have access to your audit history, I have access to mine, and Amazon has access to all of their customers' order histories, which they use to refine what they suggest, you know, increase sales, etc.
But Amazon is not going to be giving that over to anyone else.
Per GDPR in California laws, you and I are entitled to getting a copy of our own data.
And so scraping the open internet and collecting data from there is easy.
That is also something that we do.
But then being able to build these data sets where now we have Amazon orders from hundreds of thousands of individuals.
and those are getting refreshed.
That becomes, again, if you take the AI piece out of it completely,
that's just excellent consumer insights that, you know, Walmart and Best Buy,
and these guys would be interested in.
So Navigate basically becomes this kind of platform for individual users to coordinate and collect their data.
And then Navigate goes and licenses this to enterprise companies and kind of deals with all of that.
Like any of the data that needs to be cleaned, any of the, as you know, enterprise support deployments, all of that stuff.
So the idea is you basically are providing data as a service.
Got it.
So then when you're cleaning the data essentially or any, you know,
enterprises cleaning the data, does that mean that my own personal data is being anonized
and the sense of like all my personal information is like,
hidden other than demographic information, obviously, like age, where I live, stuff like that.
Yep. So that's a great question. So take the Amazon example. All we store right now is your zip code.
literally like city level information,
zip code level information, that's it.
Not your address, not your name, nothing like that.
That's the only kind of, you know,
that's as close to personally identifiable as it gets.
Now, later on, when we add more data sets,
I'm sure depending on who your buyers are, they'd be interested in demographics and details.
But the idea there is always going to be that we want to make sure that you are opting into stuff.
if you're okay with sharing
your name or your address or whatever
in order to get extra revenue
I mean good for you
you have the choice to do that
if I am not comfortable doing that
I don't need to
so we're trying to make it so you don't
have these situations where you're having to opt out of stuff.
You know how LinkedIn just one day turned on these settings.
They were like embedded three or four pages deep,
which said all of your data will be used for our training if you want to opt out, do that.
Like that, that to me is not very wholesome, right?
You don't want to try and pull a fast one on people because my kind of theory on this is,
If you really understand what it means to be online, you know that you don't really have a lot of anonymity.
If you want anonymity, if I want anonymity, we need to go, you know, live on a farm off the grid.
That's just the fact of, you know, today's day and age.
So when I think of this personally, I'm like, okay, well, I mean, you know, business is going to have my data.
I might as well give it to another person and make, you know, 10 bucks off of it.
So that's kind of the thinking. Does that answer your question?
Yeah, yeah, for sure. It answers that part. And then like the last question I had was, and so the Dow, you're kind of also forming a Dow structure with people that are interested in selling their data collectively as well. Did I understand that right?
Yeah, so the ultimate kind of goal for Navigate is to become this meritocratic Dow, which basically we don't just want, you know, token holders to be...
having the main saying things, if you are a big data contributor, but you don't hold any tokens, you should also have a voice.
It's kind of based on, you know, the way that Ray Dalio talks about Bridgewater and like super merit based.
Anyone who's putting in the time, who's putting in the data, gets to have more of a voice.
And then when we hit, you know, we're in growth stage, we want to get as many users as possible who are contributing data.
But one of the things that we're starting to do now is,
is over the next three months we're introducing these customized sole bound PFPs,
which you get for free if you have contributed data.
So that's a very effective way, for example, to get over Sybil stuff,
because, again, you can make multiple wallets, you can do a bunch of stuff,
but if you want to fake multiple order histories,
you're going to have to spend the money to do that.
And spending money is the most...
efficient and effective way to prevent civil attacks.
So an audit history is not something that you can just spoof.
So you'll kind of, you know, have these sole bound representatives.
And that's kind of the first, I would say, block two words,
navigates ultimate kind of decentralization and daoification, if you will.
But currently it's centralized because we need to bring in revenue.
So we're collating the data, we're cleaning it up, and we're doing biz dev and sales.
which we've started our efforts for this quarter after TGE.
And the goal is to just kind of rack up sales as quickly as possible
and decentralize it over a period of time.
Because if you do a day one, it's just going to fall flat on its face.
Dude, I'd love to share what Milton says.
So the way he put it for me that made it really land a plane for me was that he said
the navigate is essentially just a coordination layer.
So like as an individual, you can't really sell your just personal data because it's just not
useful at all.
But once you have a coordination layer that brings people together, you know,
and that the number is meaningful enough
for the data to be valuable,
that's what they do is like they're,
they're just bringing,
all the people together, allowing them to share whatever they want,
and forming a network of contributors of data,
they could keep tapping back into.
So right now they're doing retail data,
but the thing is like we all are producing
all kinds of different data,
whether there's food delivery, like gaming, streaming,
music listening, podcast consuming, whatever you will.
So they could like keep tapping back into that network
according to what the industry needs.
So whatever clients coming to navigate
for whatever training data requirement
or competitive data analysis,
that's how then Navigate can tap back into that network
that they're forming.
And through doing this,
they could keep rewarding back the contributors of the data
in a meaningful way as opposed to like,
you know, here's 30 cents.
And because it's on chain, you can share
a stake in that coordination layer being created.
So not just like through the contribution of data,
but through, you know, owning a piece of the pie.
That's fucking nuts, man. This is absolutely nuts. I think we have a lot of questions. I think it's fascinating as well too.
Really, I mean, and I will say this. You guys have done your thorough research on this.
We've had some comments regarding like, you know, having a really good thorough background and understanding on the legal implications and
It's been really fascinating here.
Max, I know you have some questions, and then we can go to Nicky and keep the combo on.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't have, well, maybe I have a question.
I just thought that was a really, really dope.
That was really like a really good, high level and easy to understand explanation of the existing data market,
and it made me really, really bullish on what you guys are doing.
Honestly, that PFP is like, you're looking like a Chad, bro.
Like, you just sound super smart.
And I'm like, I never even understood the market like that.
Like, you really just, in a simple way, just, I'm totally sold.
I'm totally bullish.
This is like the future of base, bro.
Come on.
Like, think about it.
Data.
Getting paid for your data.
Study this.
Bro, that's, bro, base.
Yeah.
Me and Vader talk about Bays versus Salana all the time.
And I think people are sleeping on base.
A lot of people are sleeping on base.
We saw this narrative play out a little bit early with RSC.
So Brian Armstrong earlier this year pushed RSC in his bio.
And I thought that was a pretty underrated area.
You know, definitely like, I definitely would say that, like,
there were some really good, there's some really good, like, like,
you know science related
AI related stuff that
could be really great on
on the base chain so I'm like you know
scroll to all these profile and just seeing all the base stuff
it's pretty cool to see I mean
base is the Fed chain but if I'm selling
my information anyway then you know
it kind of aligns exactly
you're selling your information anyway
let's go to Nikki and then
yeah what's up Nicky
yo what's up man
Oh, my God, I did not expect me.
Yeah, sorry.
Sorry, I can get a little late.
I was doing some editing in the background,
but I was listening for a while, though,
in terms of what you guys are talking about,
because I have a lot of thoughts on the topic,
but I do have a question as well.
And that's specifically regarding...
people who have, for lack of a better term, a very specific, easy to identify kind of style.
Because one of the main arguments that I've seen a lot of creators make, especially in the space of visual arts,
is people saying, well, I don't want an AI based on the kind of work I do,
usually because I don't want something to copy me, because it's going to, quote, unquote, water down the stuff I make.
But then, from my perspective, as someone who, you know, produce his video and filmmaking work,
I actually got to do a documentary project about a guy who essentially built his own custom pixel art
AI model.
And the way this kind of thing kind of happened was this is an engineer who just happens to have
a artistic background.
They go by the name Astropulse.
And yeah, like, this is like a 22-year-old who,
who decided randomly one day, and mind you, this was way before the hype with large language models and these image two text models kind of caught on.
Essentially, like, he decided as an artist, freelancer,
to make his workflow easier making a custom for clients.
And then by the end of two years of him developing that tool by himself,
he decided to then launch a business around it.
And I'm happy to report that he falls very much in line to what you guys are talking about
in terms of monetizing your data effectively, because like I said, once again,
he trained everything off of his own artwork.
And now he essentially runs a six-figure business where game companies are reaching out to him
and licensing what he's made as far as his models goes to make his game-making process easier.
I really think it's pretty cool that people like that exist, right now as we speak,
and not only are applying these tools for their benefits,
but I think it's like following in the spirits of the early days of the Internet.
where we've gone from people being able to design their own custom websites and driving traffic that way, to then obviously these big corporations coming along like Google, Facebook, you know, all these, all the likes, kind of monopolizing that traffic flow.
to now then flipping the script once again, where now that us as users,
we've focused so much of our time to distribute our content on these platforms.
I think it's interesting that so many of us didn't really stop to think about
how effectively we would be able to monetize that distribution.
And I think with these machine learning-based tools, it's very much possible.
it just takes a little bit of foresight.
I know for myself, for example, I decided very early on on purpose to withhold a lot of my work from the internet.
And that was for that reason.
I was not anticipating the future we're going to be in in terms of, you know, image-based training.
Because I know, for example, Instagram, they kind of do the exact same thing that the person from earlier said about LinkedIn.
where they opt you end automatically.
But for me, because I have over 100,000 images and videos in my library
that I kept on my own private cloud storage,
it's interesting that now I essentially have the choice to then step back into the game.
And if I want to license a particular look, say, for a model,
as in not a literal AI model, but like a person model that is posing front of the camera,
I think I can basically sign a deal with them and say, hey, someone wants to use your likeness for, say, a video game, or they want to use your likeness for a film project that they're going to recreate you in the music video or so on.
Now I get to make that choice.
So I think it's really cool that stuff like this really exists and encourages people to really flip the script because I really think the future of the Internet is.
should be more equal in terms of the value that us as users, we contribute, not only to these
platforms, but add-on to these corporations proper. You know, they're only worth billions of dollars
because we put that work in the first place.
Yo, Nikki, Nikki, Nikki, let's wrap up your thoughts. We want to wrap up to say it's pretty
soon here, so, and don't want to...
you know take up too much time from navigate um navigate i guess uh do you guys have any like
final word i know we want to get closer to the end of the space like do you guys have any final words
about um about things to look forward to i saw that you guys have uh there's a few you guys are
there's some kind of claims for different communities on base or uh what's going on with that
Yeah, so we have, we picked some BARTAN communities on base that have been in the AI space, and we're doing an airdrop to those communities.
Ash's running point on that for us.
But the initial claim was just for...
Users who downloaded the extension, what we're working on now is making the process a lot more seamless so that folks start seeing their tokens come in now that TGE has happened very quickly after they contribute data.
Things to look forward to are that we're adding more detail data sources that folks can connect to globally.
The extension is going to be updated on Monday.
Then we have another update coming a couple of weeks from then.
And I would encourage everyone to go check out our website NVGA.io to learn more and join the community.
Awesome, awesome. Fated, how you feel so far? How do you feel about navigating?
No, bro. I'm good. Good. I think I will say, yeah, no, this has me kind of looking at a data narrative on base as a much bigger level. I think...
Yeah, man, this is really, really interesting tech, really interesting problems that's being solved.
And I think stuff like this is what's really going to, you know, get a lot of the attention economy once the macro kind of conditions are.
go in a more positive direction like um it's it's really the projects that are already have it already
have the groundwork kind of laid out for them so this is fucking awesome uh thanks for taking the time guys
uh i am going to do some clips so uh i'll i'll take this recording
Throw it into a little AI myself get some clips. I'll try to get everybody's clips so if you spoke at all
I'll have a individual clip for you and I'll just send it to you you guys posted on your own. So
Dude, another interesting thing for me is like now that we have data, the marketplaces for agents to use MCPs or just like API calls that they could just afford to pay as they go using their own agentic wallets.
Like there is no, there's no retail data providers.
It's like they're just like the only place they would be able to go to.
I thought that would be also an interesting fact to share.
For sure. All right y'all. I'll uh, we'll see ya. Um, we're gonna try to put together a hype space. I'm hitting up some different hype projects, but I think that's gonna be dope. Uh, I want to do hype. Obviously, AI. AI is still fucking crazy. So we're gonna try to still do an AI space. Um, Monad. I want to talk to Monad, Mega E's. So if you guys know any builders are a builder interested in building.
Any of those different pains, any of those different upcoming metas.
Oh, I want to do an RWA space too.
Yeah, I just want to do an everything space.
Let's do it.
Yeah.
Let's tap in, man.
Just tap in.
All right, y'all.
Ciao.
Later.
